WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:06.120 Paul check check and check wall too. This is the two seventeen Recovery podcast 2 00:00:06.519 --> 00:00:10.240 with Corey Winfield. He knows as soon as it gives a tour, he's 3 00:00:10.279 --> 00:00:14.640 gonna give her his heart to her too, and we'll have kids and getting 4 00:00:14.679 --> 00:00:23.160 married. Dad's too far. It is the seventh of November twenty twenty three, 5 00:00:23.440 --> 00:00:32.320 as Axl Rose would say, rain. Yeah, it's like that, 6 00:00:32.359 --> 00:00:37.640 though in Michigan it is cold. It is rainy. And did you I 7 00:00:37.719 --> 00:00:43.600 was doing the axle Rose from Lisa Marie Presley's funeral. Did you hear him 8 00:00:43.759 --> 00:00:48.679 do November rain on the piano? It was bad? It was real bad. 9 00:00:48.679 --> 00:00:50.920 So if you're gonna go see Guns and Roses, enjoy the concert, 10 00:00:50.960 --> 00:00:55.159 it's gonna be horrible goodness, No letting you know. I'm surprised you don't 11 00:00:55.200 --> 00:00:58.479 have tickets. I don't. Dang, you're gonna get some? No? 12 00:00:59.159 --> 00:01:03.519 Oh? What shows you you got coming up? Pop? Evil? Okay? 13 00:01:03.599 --> 00:01:08.400 From Grand Rapids. That's cool seeing them in Grand Rapids. Then disturbed 14 00:01:08.480 --> 00:01:12.400 with falling in reverse? You just so disturbed? Yeah, but not falling 15 00:01:12.439 --> 00:01:18.519 in reverse? Oh? Okay? Cool? What are they saying? I 16 00:01:18.560 --> 00:01:21.920 can't think of anything right off hand? You put me on spot like that. 17 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:26.480 Okay, watch the World burn? How's that go? I don't know. 18 00:01:26.400 --> 00:01:30.959 I watch the World burn? No? I want to watch the world 19 00:01:32.040 --> 00:01:37.280 burn? No, No, I want to watch the World bird a little 20 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:40.319 bit better. Okay, well, I'm sure that'll be a good time. 21 00:01:40.359 --> 00:01:44.239 But I'm pretty sure it'll be better than guns and Roses. I'm pretty sure 22 00:01:44.239 --> 00:01:47.760 it will be too. I should find that clip. I don't like Axle 23 00:01:47.879 --> 00:01:51.040 Rose. I want to support him. Wow, what do you do to 24 00:01:51.079 --> 00:01:56.200 you? Nothing? He just treats his band members like yeah, really, 25 00:01:56.480 --> 00:02:00.480 yeah, you don't hear that scandal? That's why they all split up during 26 00:02:00.519 --> 00:02:06.840 their double album, tell me more about it. He told him that they 27 00:02:06.840 --> 00:02:10.199 were employees of his and they didn't have rights to their music that they wrote. 28 00:02:12.599 --> 00:02:15.199 I heard a different story, did you. I heard that he bought 29 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:21.360 their rights from them. I didn't hear that. Yeah he did. He 30 00:02:21.400 --> 00:02:24.960 bought their rights and they signed off on it, and then he owned him. 31 00:02:25.159 --> 00:02:30.159 He owned the band at that point, he owned everything. And then 32 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:32.800 they got mad. They started getting attitude, and he said, you know 33 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:37.400 what you got attitude? Once you leave the band, get out, be 34 00:02:37.479 --> 00:02:40.479 fired. Ped NuGen does the same thing. I don't know about that. 35 00:02:42.159 --> 00:02:46.639 Yeah, I'm a big fan of Terrible Ted or whatever people call him. 36 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:49.479 M I don't think he's a really good hunter. You don't think so? 37 00:02:49.759 --> 00:02:55.000 No, Why because he hunts stuff in his property that's fenced in. What 38 00:02:55.039 --> 00:03:00.280 difference does that make? Well? If I have eight hundred cats delivered to 39 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:04.120 my backyard and I'm like, I'm gonna go shoot me some cats and need 40 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:07.400 some backstraps, you wouldn't think, Wow, Corey, that was a great 41 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:12.319 thing. You just went out and just no, they're in his yard. 42 00:03:12.479 --> 00:03:15.639 Like, he's not even killing deer that are that people hit with their cars. 43 00:03:15.879 --> 00:03:19.240 If he's got money to have his own deer farm and go out and 44 00:03:19.240 --> 00:03:23.159 shoot deer on his own deer farm, more power to them. I wish 45 00:03:23.240 --> 00:03:29.280 I had that capability. Well, if you get your stuff expunged, maybe 46 00:03:29.560 --> 00:03:32.280 maybe you can get a rifle one day. I doubt it now, what 47 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:38.400 So what if you wanted to get like a sling shot, Yes, you 48 00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:43.400 can do that. You could probably kill somebody with a slingshot. Yeah, 49 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:49.800 I mean David and Gliath story took three pebbles in a sling shot? Was 50 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:53.840 it it? I don't know. Not a big story guy. So what 51 00:03:53.960 --> 00:04:04.240 about knives under three inches m and a knife. You can have a twenty 52 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:08.759 inch knife. It's not sharp. I can do anything right, So you 53 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:12.879 just have to have agility or a good hiding spot. You don't watched a 54 00:04:12.879 --> 00:04:17.519 movie Predator, No, you should watch it. There's like this thing that's 55 00:04:17.560 --> 00:04:24.439 like translucent, like you can't see it. And so he was going around 56 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:29.439 just killing everybody in the woods, sweet m and then n't sports on every 57 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:32.279 side. You know what, I'm gonna cover myself in mud because he somehow 58 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:36.360 he can't see through mud. I don't know it's alien thing. So you 59 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:41.000 like covered himself in mud. And he was like, so like, if 60 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:45.759 you just like covered yourself in leaves and you just waited for a deer to 61 00:04:45.800 --> 00:04:48.759 come along and just happened to stuff like close enough to you where you could 62 00:04:48.759 --> 00:04:54.079 just flat, that'd be awesome. Your gut shot, that'd be so awesome. 63 00:04:54.279 --> 00:04:56.240 I wonder how long you'd have to wait. How long would you wait 64 00:04:56.240 --> 00:05:00.439 for that to happen. I'd probably fall asleep, Well you would. But 65 00:05:00.439 --> 00:05:03.399 if I was like justin, if you lay there for eight days straight, 66 00:05:03.759 --> 00:05:10.199 I'll guarantee you you're gonna got a deer and kill it would you do it? 67 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:14.839 M M probably not. No, that's eight days waiting. Yeah, 68 00:05:14.879 --> 00:05:17.560 that's a long time. Yeah. I can own a bone and arrow. 69 00:05:18.360 --> 00:05:24.240 Oh really, that's a weapon. I know archery, So who I wonder 70 00:05:24.240 --> 00:05:27.279 who came up with that? Like you can on a firearm, Well, 71 00:05:27.639 --> 00:05:30.040 I can own a firearm, but it has to be like an old school 72 00:05:30.079 --> 00:05:38.000 firearm with's a flinting lot. Like a muscle order. Yeah, oh not 73 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:42.839 not the new muscle orders that are inline. Those are illegal. But they'll 74 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:47.079 sell them to the felon and then they'll send you to jail. Well that 75 00:05:47.160 --> 00:05:51.560 makes sense. Cricket government at its finest. Mm hmm. They got you 76 00:05:51.639 --> 00:05:55.879 on paper man, right, and then get you with that felony, and 77 00:05:55.920 --> 00:06:00.399 they're never off paper. I know. It's horrible, and it's the thing 78 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:02.800 is like if you have like a gun charge where you're like, because I 79 00:06:02.839 --> 00:06:06.240 was in jail and this dude came in there and he like shot at his 80 00:06:06.560 --> 00:06:11.199 girlfriend. He hit her with a pistol or something. Yeah, that guy 81 00:06:11.199 --> 00:06:15.120 probably shouldn't have gun ever again or access to him, you know, but 82 00:06:16.199 --> 00:06:20.120 he probably wasn't supposed to have a gun anyway. I'm assuming he's probably doing 83 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:25.720 some time. I hope, but like those people probably not probably shouldn't, 84 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:30.519 you know. But if you're like, hey, accidentally shot a deer and 85 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:34.000 it wasn't gun season, well maybe then you probably shouldn't want a gun either, 86 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:40.839 because you clearly don't represent following rules and hunting. So it's pretty disrespectful. 87 00:06:42.720 --> 00:06:46.240 Anyway, let's talk about well, you lived in the woods man, 88 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:48.959 that's how you fed yourself. Yeah, you were like Ted Nugent. Because 89 00:06:48.959 --> 00:06:54.560 I don't think Ted Nugent has to wait for deer season to drive in his 90 00:06:54.680 --> 00:06:59.800 back forty and get him some backstraps. You technically still do, not Ted 91 00:06:59.839 --> 00:07:09.519 new because he's above the law. He's addicted to sex. Yeah. Yeah, 92 00:07:09.560 --> 00:07:12.720 Before I start asking other stupid questions, let's talk about something else. 93 00:07:13.480 --> 00:07:16.959 How is your day going today? My day today is going fabulous. I 94 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:23.079 had a nice easy ride down Freeland and back. They're good friends at DOT 95 00:07:23.439 --> 00:07:27.959 Yeah, not Caring Center. Yeah. I like Jeff. He's always pleasant 96 00:07:27.959 --> 00:07:30.480 to talk to you. Yeah. Yeah, they're really really cool. And 97 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:32.560 we when we take people to treatment, we give them a little brochures and 98 00:07:32.600 --> 00:07:35.639 we have some for DOT and we say hey, or here you read about 99 00:07:35.639 --> 00:07:41.680 The program kind of helps people as they get taken the treatment with a sort 100 00:07:41.680 --> 00:07:47.560 of five peer recovery coach. Very rewarding. Yeah, it's very very good 101 00:07:47.560 --> 00:07:50.839 service we provide. I must say, it really is. We've been helping 102 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:55.399 on a lot of people from the jail and getting to them from treatment. 103 00:07:55.879 --> 00:08:00.519 Dude, it's very nice. And we'll see if that can take news after 104 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:03.879 March, because we do have a grant to provide these services till March fourteenth 105 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:05.439 is the last day, and then we're just kind of like, well, 106 00:08:05.480 --> 00:08:11.199 we'll see, right, we'll see what happens. But it is a great 107 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:15.000 service. And I was talking with the DHHS when they came by to like 108 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:18.120 check out the place, you know, because we're a recovering community organization and 109 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:20.199 they wanted to check it out and see what's going on. They're like, 110 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:22.120 wow, your place is really nice and it's clean and you guys have stuff 111 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:26.800 going on. This is beautiful. And I told them it's like look man 112 00:08:26.839 --> 00:08:30.759 like with the ten different pihps, you know, if somebody's unfamiliar with that, 113 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:33.639 it's if you're like, say, in Ben Harbor, you have SWIMBA, 114 00:08:33.679 --> 00:08:37.159 which is Southwest Michigan Beaver Health and that covers like Kalamazoo and Battle Creek 115 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:41.519 as well, So you have to call them and then they tell you where 116 00:08:41.559 --> 00:08:43.240 you can go, which you can go anywhere in Michigan if you're on Medicaid, 117 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:48.000 and this is for people have Medicaid. And sometimes they'll try to bully 118 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:48.960 you and like, well, you have to stay in our region. You 119 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:50.679 have to stay here, and you have to stay there. But there's not 120 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:54.360 a lot of treatment centers there. And for me, I had to get 121 00:08:54.399 --> 00:08:56.559 out of southwest Michigan, you know, I had to come up here to 122 00:08:56.720 --> 00:09:01.279 Northern Michigan. I had to do my thing up here, so that was 123 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:05.919 huge for me. But they'll try to like bully you sometimes, and mid 124 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:09.080 State is kind of over lancing, and they're over a lot of counties and 125 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:13.799 they're probably the worst that I've ever dealt with. And they just they lie. 126 00:09:13.840 --> 00:09:18.080 They just they say no, we don't do that, and they try 127 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:20.480 to make their own rules, when in fact they have a contract with the 128 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:24.840 State of Michigan and DHHS to provide these services, and then they just back 129 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:28.879 out of it and say they don't And then people at DHHS they start feeling 130 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:31.360 some kind of way because I guess they're in lancing and they're like, hey, 131 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:33.039 that's my buddy. We go out to eat all the time. I 132 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:35.960 don't know. I'm not going to hold them to their responsibilities, you know, 133 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:39.080 I'm not going to hold them accountable for what they're supposed to be doing. 134 00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:41.759 I have no idea, but you boys trying to get to the bottom 135 00:09:41.799 --> 00:09:46.600 of it all lawmakers satisfying us. But I told DH it just like cut 136 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:50.720 off the crap, Like, how about you come up with a grant and 137 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:52.600 we can do what we do and we don't have to worry about if somebody 138 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:56.639 needs to go to lancing and somebody needs to go to Detroit because we can 139 00:09:56.679 --> 00:10:03.320 take people from our region because it's NMRI is Northern Michigan Regional Entity. Is 140 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:07.279 our PIHP in Northern Michigan. Yep. They are awesome to work with and 141 00:10:07.639 --> 00:10:11.759 if their client needs to go to Detroit, we can take them. But 142 00:10:11.919 --> 00:10:13.679 sometimes we'll go to a place and somebody in the treatments are I'm like, 143 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:16.960 oh my gosh, I don't have a safe ride home. Can you guys 144 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:22.120 take me home? Where's your home? Lancing? Oh you're a mid state 145 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:26.159 client, Yeah, Nope, can't do that because midstate refuses to reimburse for 146 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:28.000 our services, and they don't want to work with us, so that guy 147 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:31.759 has to take an unsafe ride home. And a lot of times they'll call 148 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:35.480 their drug dealer, right, and the drug dealers seriously, they're they're the 149 00:10:35.559 --> 00:10:39.000 quickest to pick people up, you know. And then they put them on 150 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:41.759 a bus and then I have to wait and it becomes a ten hour thing, 151 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:43.840 and the whole time they're thinking on the bus, well, I could 152 00:10:43.840 --> 00:10:46.360 probably just get a beer at the next stop, because they stop at gas 153 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:50.200 stations, our liquor stores, right, and all right, guys, you 154 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:56.080 got twenty minutes. Hmm, I got twenty bucks in my pocket. I'm 155 00:10:56.120 --> 00:10:58.440 just gonna drink this one beer. And then they blame the person. Then 156 00:10:58.480 --> 00:11:01.399 Midstate will blame the person and the treatment center for not doing their jobs. 157 00:11:01.399 --> 00:11:05.360 And you gotta you didn't learn anything there. They'll say, it's like, 158 00:11:05.399 --> 00:11:09.960 well, you you set them up. You trapped them, you know, 159 00:11:09.039 --> 00:11:13.360 on this bus, and like what are you doing? So we need to 160 00:11:13.639 --> 00:11:16.720 and then they don't want to pay for level of three housing neither. Yeah, 161 00:11:16.840 --> 00:11:18.120 this is a really cute one that they tried to pull on us. 162 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:20.679 Well, not on us, but people up here. This one lady was 163 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:24.320 up here and she was like, Hey, I have Midstate and they're telling 164 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:26.919 me that they won't pay for you know, sober living. And I said, 165 00:11:26.919 --> 00:11:28.639 man, I'm tired of this, you know, because it was like 166 00:11:28.679 --> 00:11:31.399 the third person I heard say that. And I was like, all right, 167 00:11:31.399 --> 00:11:35.240 I'm getting back in it. Let me get the gloves on. And 168 00:11:35.440 --> 00:11:39.480 so I report them to DHHS and then the lady of DHS like, oh, 169 00:11:39.519 --> 00:11:41.840 this is real serious stuff, and I was like yeah. And she 170 00:11:41.879 --> 00:11:46.559 almost didn't even get into the sober living because she's mid state and she didn't 171 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:48.960 have a ride here, and she was in the UP and she's from Lancing, 172 00:11:50.919 --> 00:11:54.200 so she barely even made it here because of the recovery coach and the 173 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:58.480 up drove her here. That was nice of them, very nice of them. 174 00:11:58.639 --> 00:12:01.320 He didn't get paid for that, you know, he might have got 175 00:12:01.360 --> 00:12:05.039 a hamburger. Yeah, but people need to start getting paid for that. 176 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:09.639 And that's my point. And so I have to call and then she's like 177 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:13.279 oh and then like it was like a month later, I had to remind 178 00:12:13.279 --> 00:12:15.559 her, hey, still waiting on that, you know, because they told 179 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:18.879 her, Nope, you used our services last January, so you have to 180 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:22.240 wait till May of twenty twenty four before we can, you know, support 181 00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:26.440 you going into a sober living home again. Yeah, and she's like wait. 182 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:28.799 The lady at DH Chess was like, wait a minute. So you're 183 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:31.720 telling me, like the two most crucial things for people in recovery that we 184 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:39.200 need support for transportation and housing and she was pretty much denied both from mid 185 00:12:39.200 --> 00:12:43.240 State, and I said, yeah, absolutely was. She's like, well, 186 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:43.759 I'll get to the bottom of it. Se like a month later, 187 00:12:43.759 --> 00:12:46.679 I'm like, hey, still waiting for that, and then she wrote me 188 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:50.279 back, oh yeah, well here's what mid State. Midstate says that they 189 00:12:50.279 --> 00:12:52.480 don't pay for sober living and blah blah blah blah blah. I'm like, 190 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:54.679 okay, And I even think I put in the email back to it, 191 00:12:54.679 --> 00:12:58.120 which I need to email her again. I said, that's cute, but 192 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:03.240 it's not sob We're little because the place where she was going is actually part 193 00:13:03.279 --> 00:13:07.360 of a treatment program. So it's like what you said, level three housing. 194 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:11.399 It's it's a there's a level to it, and it's not just like 195 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:16.559 because where we went Nathan's house, Yeah, that's a sober living house that's 196 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:18.720 not associated with the state. Well they are, they pass their stuff, 197 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:22.840 but they don't do the funding stuff. So we have to pay for that 198 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:26.720 out of our pocket. And no, I wouldn't expect Medicaid to pay for 199 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:28.320 that. But if you're part of a program where you're going to outpatient where 200 00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:31.159 you're doing all this stuff, you're meeting with therapists, you're doing all this 201 00:13:31.159 --> 00:13:35.840 stuff you need to be doing, that's level three housing. And yes, 202 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:39.559 they do pay for that, and that's how they try to bully people. 203 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:41.799 And I just wish more people wo stand up for themselves. But it's hard 204 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:46.799 because if you're in the addiction part of it, you feel like the size 205 00:13:46.840 --> 00:13:50.679 of an ant. You feel like you don't even deserve another chance. Yeah, 206 00:13:50.720 --> 00:13:52.720 and most of the time we want to die anyway. So when we 207 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:58.799 get that kind of attitude from those people, just unacceptable. And you know, 208 00:13:58.840 --> 00:14:03.200 I can blame whoever. I like to blame the governor because in this 209 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:07.559 big scheme of things, whoever's run a DHHS, sometimes maybe it's too busy 210 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:09.360 to be looking at the stuff behind her, which I get. But you 211 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:11.559 got to have the right people in play man. You got to have the 212 00:14:11.639 --> 00:14:16.120 right people on your staff that are holding people accountable, you know, just 213 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:20.759 like the small business or that was the COVID grant that we didn't get. 214 00:14:20.360 --> 00:14:24.840 And they said, well, we had to be established in January of twenty 215 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:30.879 nineteen. I said, well, twenty nineteen, like COVID winning even around, 216 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:33.039 right, you know, at the end of it it was but like 217 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:35.320 I was like, well, we were started in April. We were established 218 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:39.320 with the state in May. Like what does January of twenty nineteen have anything 219 00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:43.159 to do with it. We were established before COVID hit and then as it 220 00:14:43.240 --> 00:14:46.519 hit, boom, you know, we got screwed. And then the lady 221 00:14:46.600 --> 00:14:48.440 was like, oh no, And I think they just made that up to 222 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:52.480 me because nowhere on the application did it say that. And I reached out 223 00:14:52.519 --> 00:14:56.759 to our representative here, Betsy Kofia. I don't know what the hell she's 224 00:14:56.799 --> 00:14:58.200 doing, but I just told her, look, you know, like stop 225 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:03.320 having these people who are not qualified to pass out the money. Which would 226 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:07.639 this in this case suit have been the Michigan Nonprofit Association. And I don't 227 00:15:07.679 --> 00:15:11.120 know if they were mad because I didn't want to join their little club because 228 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:13.879 they wanted to like, hey, pay it's three hudred dollars, give me 229 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:16.440 part of our club. I don't know, just saying I'm not a part 230 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:20.759 of their club. I'm getting bullshit excuses of why we couldn't get the funding 231 00:15:20.799 --> 00:15:24.320 for the COVID, which is meant for small nonprofits like us, right, 232 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:30.720 who actually were helping people during COVID. Nope, nothing, you know, 233 00:15:30.759 --> 00:15:33.240 I've been to a few of those meetings. I think we're one of the 234 00:15:33.279 --> 00:15:37.159 best that actually help people. It actually used the programming that set out for 235 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:43.759 us to us and everything else. We could show numbers, Yeah, we 236 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:50.519 can. That's one of those things. Man. Yeah, if it was 237 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:54.120 easy, it wouldn't be worth it, right right, Nothing about this has 238 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:58.559 been easy. Nah. And I know Marnie she hates when I should call 239 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:00.200 them rants and I go on, but like it's just it's frustration. But 240 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:03.600 if I don't tell people what's going on, if I don't say, hey, 241 00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:07.679 here it is, I invite all those people on my podcast DHHS, 242 00:16:07.720 --> 00:16:11.080 Mid State SWIMBA, whoever, you're welcome, come on aboard, let's talk 243 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:15.840 about it. But they won't. Oh is that a job now? Yeah? 244 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:19.360 Now do you think they will got your let's see it. They won't. 245 00:16:19.799 --> 00:16:22.559 There's an invite, So if you know somebody at those organizations if you 246 00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:26.440 know the head of whoever, let them know. Corty Wonfield talk shit. 247 00:16:26.960 --> 00:16:30.480 So was your day? My day was was awesome. I got to hang 248 00:16:30.519 --> 00:16:37.279 out with my friends. Yeah, yep, what friends at the GTB Tribe? 249 00:16:37.960 --> 00:16:41.279 Oh Grand Traverse Band? What did you do? Uh? Hung out 250 00:16:41.360 --> 00:16:47.240 with Kathy's talk to Scott. Of course, Scott has the Reservation Conversation podcast 251 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:49.320 and he hasn't done one in a minute, but he's been going through some 252 00:16:49.360 --> 00:16:55.399 things and he said he almost did one today and he should have, but 253 00:16:56.039 --> 00:17:00.519 he'll have them one up soon. But he's he's wrong with it. I'm 254 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:03.919 proud of them for starting. He's got a nice sweet studio in his office 255 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:11.319 as well. Sweet. Yeah, and then Kathy are Sweethearts because she was 256 00:17:11.319 --> 00:17:14.799 like eating sweethearts all the time, so that since her nickname, she's like 257 00:17:14.839 --> 00:17:18.119 now back with the nicknames. Because soon she walked in the office, Scott 258 00:17:18.240 --> 00:17:21.640 was like, oh, it's Sweethearts. So she's like back with the nicknames. 259 00:17:21.720 --> 00:17:26.000 Huh. Normally because her last name is Tattnan, Scott to introduced hers. 260 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:30.519 Hey, it's Kathy was Hatten and Tattnening. This is pretty funny. 261 00:17:30.519 --> 00:17:33.559 But they're good people man, and Scott was telling me about some of the 262 00:17:33.559 --> 00:17:37.240 stuff that they're doing there, and I asked him to be a part of 263 00:17:37.839 --> 00:17:45.880 our next recovery event February maybe. He declined to do it. I said, 264 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:47.839 God, it's okay. He's like, no, I don't need to 265 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:49.720 do that. I was like, you don't need to, but you want 266 00:17:49.799 --> 00:17:53.079 to, right, So I'm gonna have to. I'm gonna do some sweet 267 00:17:53.160 --> 00:18:00.160 talking, maybe buy him some dinner. Oh, we'll see, but no, 268 00:18:00.279 --> 00:18:03.480 it was it was good. I haven't seen those guys and then it 269 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:04.799 seems like forever and I used to go there like once a week to kind 270 00:18:04.799 --> 00:18:08.000 of happen with the podcast thing. So it felt good to see him again. 271 00:18:08.519 --> 00:18:14.960 That's good. Yeah. Yeah, so, uh, your day today 272 00:18:15.039 --> 00:18:21.559 was better than yesterday? Yes, yeah, So what happened was so you've 273 00:18:21.599 --> 00:18:25.079 had because sometimes, okay, when you're taking people to treatment, sometimes they're 274 00:18:25.079 --> 00:18:27.359 not in the right state of mind. And this is exactly why we do 275 00:18:27.519 --> 00:18:32.000 what we do. And this is a perfect example of why, Grandma, 276 00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:34.079 because sometimes they'll say, oh, well you can you know, call the 277 00:18:34.119 --> 00:18:37.920 insurance and they'll take you to treatment. A no, they won't, and 278 00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:41.039 be good luck because they say oh no, well dhhs, they'll they'll do 279 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:45.480 that. Well, good luck finding a driver. And then when you're supposed 280 00:18:45.519 --> 00:18:48.240 to wait for the drivers going to be there, let's say Tuesday at six, 281 00:18:49.279 --> 00:18:53.200 and Tuesday at six comes Tuesday at seven, eight nine. Nope, 282 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:56.680 you didn't get taken because guess what, the driver backed out because he didn't 283 00:18:56.680 --> 00:19:00.440 felt like driving all the way over there, or he didn't want take somebody 284 00:19:00.519 --> 00:19:03.200 treatment because sometimes people are a little drunk. He drunk, Sometimes people are 285 00:19:03.279 --> 00:19:08.759 high and all kinds of drugs, and it's just it's it's not not something 286 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:12.640 that Grahama who volunteers that I take someone to their doctoral appointment, right, 287 00:19:14.079 --> 00:19:15.839 she don't need to be seeing this. Yeah, yesterday is very interesting. 288 00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:21.359 So the person, man, woman, whoever, the person. That's how 289 00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:26.039 we talk about people. We don't we don't use genders them, okay, 290 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:29.799 persons appropriate a person. I don't know how to do that stuff, So 291 00:19:29.839 --> 00:19:33.799 I just say a person. That's what I'm comfortable with. So the person 292 00:19:36.279 --> 00:19:44.559 extremely intoxicated, Yeah, extremely extremely. I think if we tell more of 293 00:19:44.599 --> 00:19:48.319 the story, it'll be obvious what kind of person this is. And because 294 00:19:48.400 --> 00:19:52.279 it's going to get to a point where you're gonna and that's with all that 295 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:56.160 anyways. So so it's like no secret. You know, like when we're 296 00:19:56.160 --> 00:20:04.559 taking people to certain destinations, they're just at their start. They probably just 297 00:20:04.599 --> 00:20:10.759 had their last drink. Ah, yes, and we'll offer them a bottle 298 00:20:10.799 --> 00:20:18.119 of water. Well, this individual them they decided that it was a great 299 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:23.839 idea to try to urinate in their bottle in the back seat. How is 300 00:20:23.920 --> 00:20:32.279 she gonna do that? Or I mean they them gonna do that they just 301 00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:37.680 whipped it right out or just yeah and just let it go. Huh. 302 00:20:38.519 --> 00:20:41.839 Good thing. We got weather tech formats, Yes, think you weather tech 303 00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:47.039 for I not think they might have to pay for those. Either way, 304 00:20:47.119 --> 00:20:49.079 we're thankful for weather tech. Yeah, good for that. And that's why 305 00:20:49.119 --> 00:20:53.400 we have like pleather seats as well, because if we had like cloth seats 306 00:20:53.400 --> 00:21:00.680 and that soaks in impossible douche baking silt and douche I'm not you call me 307 00:21:00.680 --> 00:21:03.720 a douche bro No, no, to use in the car to get the 308 00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:07.680 smell out. What Yeah, what kind of backwoods did you live in? 309 00:21:08.279 --> 00:21:12.279 It works? What are you talking about? Justin so, you go to 310 00:21:12.319 --> 00:21:15.880 the store and you're like, hey, you go to Walgreens, You're like, 311 00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:19.039 hey, I need the Do they have different sens or something. I 312 00:21:19.079 --> 00:21:23.400 don't really know. Who what did you have to do this one time? 313 00:21:23.519 --> 00:21:26.720 Yeah? So growing up, we had this cat. My mom was taking 314 00:21:26.720 --> 00:21:32.720 it to go get it fixed. Uh huh, and she had the cat 315 00:21:32.759 --> 00:21:36.759 sitting between her legs and the car on the seat and it just peed in 316 00:21:36.839 --> 00:21:41.720 the seat. We spent we tried doing everything to get out the cat piece 317 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:45.920 smell. It was ninety degrees that summer cars stunk. We couldn't go anywhere 318 00:21:45.960 --> 00:21:52.279 unless the windows are down. And some old lady told my mom one time. 319 00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:56.480 She was like, try a douche in some baking soda. Something about 320 00:21:56.480 --> 00:22:03.720 the pH balance and the douche pH balances the smell. I don't really know, 321 00:22:03.880 --> 00:22:08.599 but it works. M So, did you douche a vehicle? No? 322 00:22:08.640 --> 00:22:15.519 I did not. Okay, it wasn't in the budget, probably not, 323 00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:19.480 probably not. I've never heard of that. That's crazy, Yeah, 324 00:22:19.599 --> 00:22:23.680 because I know they make like stuff at the store and those aisles with the 325 00:22:23.720 --> 00:22:27.240 car stuff. You just go through there and you pick some stuff out right, 326 00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:33.079 and you guys got some spray and stuff, and yeah, we usually 327 00:22:33.079 --> 00:22:37.920 I saw then I cleaned it again with wind decks Windex is great. Yeah, 328 00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:44.160 multi surface cleaner. Oh yeah, it's cheap, barely smell good. 329 00:22:44.759 --> 00:22:48.160 Right, So you're right today, no problems. Did you tell the person 330 00:22:48.200 --> 00:22:51.720 I was running with you today? Man, this is a dude that or 331 00:22:51.880 --> 00:22:56.559 this person could be a woman just peete all over the place yesterday. No, 332 00:22:56.640 --> 00:22:59.839 I was thinking about that and I almost bustle got laughing as I thought. 333 00:23:00.319 --> 00:23:03.279 As I thought about it, which was like, I need to go 334 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:10.039 to the bathroom, and I was like, let's go. Yeah, I 335 00:23:10.079 --> 00:23:12.880 got some douche. We can get that out of there. No, that's 336 00:23:12.880 --> 00:23:18.079 funny. I one time I had a woman puke in the car. That's 337 00:23:18.119 --> 00:23:21.839 what you're saying. And the next day I did tell the person. I 338 00:23:21.880 --> 00:23:22.920 was like, oh, yeah, that's see. You're sitting in right there. 339 00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:29.079 Somebody pewked all over the door yesterday and they were like, hmm, 340 00:23:29.200 --> 00:23:30.519 that's horrible. Another time, I did a really good job cleaning it. 341 00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:34.799 I said, thank you. How long did it take you to clean out 342 00:23:34.839 --> 00:23:40.400 the puke? Ten minutes? Only ten minutes? Yeah, that's well. 343 00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:45.519 Like when it happened, I grabbed the person's clothes and I wiped it all. 344 00:23:45.079 --> 00:23:48.559 The person was not happy, but I wasn't happy either, and I 345 00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:52.759 had no rags or anything I was going to use to clean the person's pewke 346 00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:56.759 up with. So that's what happens. Dream mis centers got washing machines, 347 00:23:56.799 --> 00:24:02.559 they do, Thank God, Thank god for that. I think we should 348 00:24:02.559 --> 00:24:08.079 get some barf bags from like the hospital. Yeah, yeah we should. 349 00:24:08.480 --> 00:24:12.400 Yeah, sounds like a job for the transportation director. I'll get right out 350 00:24:12.440 --> 00:24:18.119 of Amazon and look him up. Good thinking. So the reason why we're 351 00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:21.200 talking about this, though, is because that left you feeling some kind of 352 00:24:21.200 --> 00:24:26.119 way yesterday. Oh yeah, I had enough compassion in my body to leave 353 00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:30.960 him in the vehicle, but really none at all. Like I had a 354 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:34.920 few choice words when we got to our destination. It wasn't pleasant. I 355 00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:41.640 told I wasn't being compassionate. Ah. That hurt a little bit because I 356 00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:45.960 still got him there right Winfield threw his ass out. I probably would have, 357 00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:49.079 and again that's not the right thing to do, but I don't know. 358 00:24:51.160 --> 00:24:55.720 I probably would have stoped left the person pe I told him. I 359 00:24:55.759 --> 00:24:57.359 was like, dude, can you wait a mile there's a gas station right 360 00:24:57.400 --> 00:25:02.759 up the road. You're probably egging him on. Yeah, man, go 361 00:25:02.839 --> 00:25:06.759 right in the bottle. Bro, No, this would be funny, not 362 00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:10.880 at all, and then started spraying anywhere. You probably thought, oh, 363 00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:14.319 this isn't funny. I didn't have kind words to say when I was in 364 00:25:14.359 --> 00:25:19.480 the vehicle chat in the face, No, no golden shower received. Sorry 365 00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:23.400 is that what you're sat? No, that's really messed up. My name 366 00:25:23.480 --> 00:25:27.200 is now R Kelly. But trip, trip, trip, turn your face 367 00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:32.359 to a toilet. See. So the compassion part though, and then had 368 00:25:32.359 --> 00:25:34.720 you feel kind of like, man, like, that's not cool because I 369 00:25:34.720 --> 00:25:38.720 didn't want to feel that way. But in that moment, though, you 370 00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:41.960 got the person where they needed to go, which is very important, you 371 00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:48.880 know, and the person, like I said, was like beyond toxicated. 372 00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:55.000 Like I've been there personally, I've never pete on someone's car that I can 373 00:25:55.119 --> 00:26:00.720 remember, not on their car in their car. I've read that, but 374 00:26:00.759 --> 00:26:04.559 I don't know. Just the fact that you can realize though, that that 375 00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:07.079 made you feel kind of weird, and that even someone else realized, you 376 00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:11.240 know, not a lot of compassion. They're justin you know, and it 377 00:26:11.359 --> 00:26:12.920 just makes you think, though, I mean, we don't handle every situation 378 00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:18.759 correctly, no, but it could have been a lot worse. And next 379 00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:26.160 time. Hopefully there is no next time, but if there is, there 380 00:26:26.200 --> 00:26:33.160 can be you know, some compassion, something mail a little bit more. 381 00:26:33.359 --> 00:26:36.599 I'm working on it. At least it wasn't the number two. Yeah, 382 00:26:36.759 --> 00:26:44.119 when I got back here, I something's destination and apology for my actions after 383 00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:48.119 I cooled down after about twenty minutes. Yeah, it's hard, It was 384 00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:51.440 hard. It's really hard. You know. There a cab would have thrown 385 00:26:51.480 --> 00:26:55.160 his ass right out. Uber would have thrown them out, charged them or 386 00:26:55.240 --> 00:26:57.799 charged whoever paid for the ride right you know, two hundred bucks. A 387 00:26:57.880 --> 00:27:00.119 bus would have thrown them off. He wouldn't have not been able to get 388 00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:06.559 on the bus. No, So again, it's how we help. And 389 00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:10.079 yeah, can you imagine pan all over the like in your car. The 390 00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:12.279 car that you use is pretty much your office. Yeah, like you're you're 391 00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:17.359 in it quite a bit driving people, and it's like somebody just walking into 392 00:27:17.359 --> 00:27:19.720 your office just peeing all over your stuff, Like this is not cool. 393 00:27:19.759 --> 00:27:27.640 Man, No, got your ass two times because you can't ride. I 394 00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:33.319 think it served a little bit. We need to hit that one. But 395 00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:36.119 at least, you know, you came back to work today. I'm proud 396 00:27:36.119 --> 00:27:40.799 of you for that, and you know you handled this ride of you know, 397 00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:44.759 like, all right, well that was one ride in one hundred and 398 00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:48.240 fifty or whatever. Yeah, I think we should hand out and reward for 399 00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:53.799 the worst ride of the year the year. Okay, well, that's definitely 400 00:27:56.480 --> 00:28:02.079 we should do re enactment videos. No, no, I'm not cleaning that 401 00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:04.720 up again. See Justin's face. That'd have been awesome. It would have 402 00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:10.680 been. It was horrible. Yeah, So you ever need a ride with 403 00:28:10.839 --> 00:28:14.599 us, please don't pee in our vehicles. I went from calm to insanely 404 00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:21.720 crazy within two point two seconds. Been so quick, so quick. Hopefully 405 00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:23.240 it never happens to you, g man, I hope not. And thanks 406 00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:26.759 for getting the person where they need to go and and coming back to work 407 00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:30.359 today, and you know, taking someone and not like holding that grudge for 408 00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:34.359 someone that had nothing to do with it. Every day, man's different. 409 00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:38.359 You just gotta thank God that you're part of it. Yeah, that's definitely 410 00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:44.599 a learning experience for sure. Well, thanks for coming on the podcast and 411 00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:48.000 talking about it. Justin appreciate that, and we'll have to have you on 412 00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:52.799 again sometimes. All right, all right, until next time, don't pee 413 00:28:52.799 --> 00:29:00.319 in cars. 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