Paul check check and check wall too. This is the two seventeen Recovery podcast
with Corey Winfield. He knows as soon as it gives a tour, he's
gonna give her his heart to her too, and we'll have kids and getting
married. Dad's too far. It is the seventh of November twenty twenty three,
as Axl Rose would say, rain. Yeah, it's like that,
though in Michigan it is cold. It is rainy. And did you I
was doing the axle Rose from Lisa Marie Presley's funeral. Did you hear him
do November rain on the piano? It was bad? It was real bad.
So if you're gonna go see Guns and Roses, enjoy the concert,
it's gonna be horrible goodness, No letting you know. I'm surprised you don't
have tickets. I don't. Dang, you're gonna get some? No?
Oh? What shows you you got coming up? Pop? Evil? Okay?
From Grand Rapids. That's cool seeing them in Grand Rapids. Then disturbed
with falling in reverse? You just so disturbed? Yeah, but not falling
in reverse? Oh? Okay? Cool? What are they saying? I
can't think of anything right off hand? You put me on spot like that.
Okay, watch the World burn? How's that go? I don't know.
I watch the World burn? No? I want to watch the world
burn? No, No, I want to watch the World bird a little
bit better. Okay, well, I'm sure that'll be a good time.
But I'm pretty sure it'll be better than guns and Roses. I'm pretty sure
it will be too. I should find that clip. I don't like Axle
Rose. I want to support him. Wow, what do you do to
you? Nothing? He just treats his band members like yeah, really,
yeah, you don't hear that scandal? That's why they all split up during
their double album, tell me more about it. He told him that they
were employees of his and they didn't have rights to their music that they wrote.
I heard a different story, did you. I heard that he bought
their rights from them. I didn't hear that. Yeah he did. He
bought their rights and they signed off on it, and then he owned him.
He owned the band at that point, he owned everything. And then
they got mad. They started getting attitude, and he said, you know
what you got attitude? Once you leave the band, get out, be
fired. Ped NuGen does the same thing. I don't know about that.
Yeah, I'm a big fan of Terrible Ted or whatever people call him.
M I don't think he's a really good hunter. You don't think so?
No, Why because he hunts stuff in his property that's fenced in. What
difference does that make? Well? If I have eight hundred cats delivered to
my backyard and I'm like, I'm gonna go shoot me some cats and need
some backstraps, you wouldn't think, Wow, Corey, that was a great
thing. You just went out and just no, they're in his yard.
Like, he's not even killing deer that are that people hit with their cars.
If he's got money to have his own deer farm and go out and
shoot deer on his own deer farm, more power to them. I wish
I had that capability. Well, if you get your stuff expunged, maybe
maybe you can get a rifle one day. I doubt it now, what
So what if you wanted to get like a sling shot, Yes, you
can do that. You could probably kill somebody with a slingshot. Yeah,
I mean David and Gliath story took three pebbles in a sling shot? Was
it it? I don't know. Not a big story guy. So what
about knives under three inches m and a knife. You can have a twenty
inch knife. It's not sharp. I can do anything right, So you
just have to have agility or a good hiding spot. You don't watched a
movie Predator, No, you should watch it. There's like this thing that's
like translucent, like you can't see it. And so he was going around
just killing everybody in the woods, sweet m and then n't sports on every
side. You know what, I'm gonna cover myself in mud because he somehow
he can't see through mud. I don't know it's alien thing. So you
like covered himself in mud. And he was like, so like, if
you just like covered yourself in leaves and you just waited for a deer to
come along and just happened to stuff like close enough to you where you could
just flat, that'd be awesome. Your gut shot, that'd be so awesome.
I wonder how long you'd have to wait. How long would you wait
for that to happen. I'd probably fall asleep, Well you would. But
if I was like justin, if you lay there for eight days straight,
I'll guarantee you you're gonna got a deer and kill it would you do it?
M M probably not. No, that's eight days waiting. Yeah,
that's a long time. Yeah. I can own a bone and arrow.
Oh really, that's a weapon. I know archery, So who I wonder
who came up with that? Like you can on a firearm, Well,
I can own a firearm, but it has to be like an old school
firearm with's a flinting lot. Like a muscle order. Yeah, oh not
not the new muscle orders that are inline. Those are illegal. But they'll
sell them to the felon and then they'll send you to jail. Well that
makes sense. Cricket government at its finest. Mm hmm. They got you
on paper man, right, and then get you with that felony, and
they're never off paper. I know. It's horrible, and it's the thing
is like if you have like a gun charge where you're like, because I
was in jail and this dude came in there and he like shot at his
girlfriend. He hit her with a pistol or something. Yeah, that guy
probably shouldn't have gun ever again or access to him, you know, but
he probably wasn't supposed to have a gun anyway. I'm assuming he's probably doing
some time. I hope, but like those people probably not probably shouldn't,
you know. But if you're like, hey, accidentally shot a deer and
it wasn't gun season, well maybe then you probably shouldn't want a gun either,
because you clearly don't represent following rules and hunting. So it's pretty disrespectful.
Anyway, let's talk about well, you lived in the woods man,
that's how you fed yourself. Yeah, you were like Ted Nugent. Because
I don't think Ted Nugent has to wait for deer season to drive in his
back forty and get him some backstraps. You technically still do, not Ted
new because he's above the law. He's addicted to sex. Yeah. Yeah,
Before I start asking other stupid questions, let's talk about something else.
How is your day going today? My day today is going fabulous. I
had a nice easy ride down Freeland and back. They're good friends at DOT
Yeah, not Caring Center. Yeah. I like Jeff. He's always pleasant
to talk to you. Yeah. Yeah, they're really really cool. And
we when we take people to treatment, we give them a little brochures and
we have some for DOT and we say hey, or here you read about
The program kind of helps people as they get taken the treatment with a sort
of five peer recovery coach. Very rewarding. Yeah, it's very very good
service we provide. I must say, it really is. We've been helping
on a lot of people from the jail and getting to them from treatment.
Dude, it's very nice. And we'll see if that can take news after
March, because we do have a grant to provide these services till March fourteenth
is the last day, and then we're just kind of like, well,
we'll see, right, we'll see what happens. But it is a great
service. And I was talking with the DHHS when they came by to like
check out the place, you know, because we're a recovering community organization and
they wanted to check it out and see what's going on. They're like,
wow, your place is really nice and it's clean and you guys have stuff
going on. This is beautiful. And I told them it's like look man
like with the ten different pihps, you know, if somebody's unfamiliar with that,
it's if you're like, say, in Ben Harbor, you have SWIMBA,
which is Southwest Michigan Beaver Health and that covers like Kalamazoo and Battle Creek
as well, So you have to call them and then they tell you where
you can go, which you can go anywhere in Michigan if you're on Medicaid,
and this is for people have Medicaid. And sometimes they'll try to bully
you and like, well, you have to stay in our region. You
have to stay here, and you have to stay there. But there's not
a lot of treatment centers there. And for me, I had to get
out of southwest Michigan, you know, I had to come up here to
Northern Michigan. I had to do my thing up here, so that was
huge for me. But they'll try to like bully you sometimes, and mid
State is kind of over lancing, and they're over a lot of counties and
they're probably the worst that I've ever dealt with. And they just they lie.
They just they say no, we don't do that, and they try
to make their own rules, when in fact they have a contract with the
State of Michigan and DHHS to provide these services, and then they just back
out of it and say they don't And then people at DHHS they start feeling
some kind of way because I guess they're in lancing and they're like, hey,
that's my buddy. We go out to eat all the time. I
don't know. I'm not going to hold them to their responsibilities, you know,
I'm not going to hold them accountable for what they're supposed to be doing.
I have no idea, but you boys trying to get to the bottom
of it all lawmakers satisfying us. But I told DH it just like cut
off the crap, Like, how about you come up with a grant and
we can do what we do and we don't have to worry about if somebody
needs to go to lancing and somebody needs to go to Detroit because we can
take people from our region because it's NMRI is Northern Michigan Regional Entity. Is
our PIHP in Northern Michigan. Yep. They are awesome to work with and
if their client needs to go to Detroit, we can take them. But
sometimes we'll go to a place and somebody in the treatments are I'm like,
oh my gosh, I don't have a safe ride home. Can you guys
take me home? Where's your home? Lancing? Oh you're a mid state
client, Yeah, Nope, can't do that because midstate refuses to reimburse for
our services, and they don't want to work with us, so that guy
has to take an unsafe ride home. And a lot of times they'll call
their drug dealer, right, and the drug dealers seriously, they're they're the
quickest to pick people up, you know. And then they put them on
a bus and then I have to wait and it becomes a ten hour thing,
and the whole time they're thinking on the bus, well, I could
probably just get a beer at the next stop, because they stop at gas
stations, our liquor stores, right, and all right, guys, you
got twenty minutes. Hmm, I got twenty bucks in my pocket. I'm
just gonna drink this one beer. And then they blame the person. Then
Midstate will blame the person and the treatment center for not doing their jobs.
And you gotta you didn't learn anything there. They'll say, it's like,
well, you you set them up. You trapped them, you know,
on this bus, and like what are you doing? So we need to
and then they don't want to pay for level of three housing neither. Yeah,
this is a really cute one that they tried to pull on us.
Well, not on us, but people up here. This one lady was
up here and she was like, Hey, I have Midstate and they're telling
me that they won't pay for you know, sober living. And I said,
man, I'm tired of this, you know, because it was like
the third person I heard say that. And I was like, all right,
I'm getting back in it. Let me get the gloves on. And
so I report them to DHHS and then the lady of DHS like, oh,
this is real serious stuff, and I was like yeah. And she
almost didn't even get into the sober living because she's mid state and she didn't
have a ride here, and she was in the UP and she's from Lancing,
so she barely even made it here because of the recovery coach and the
up drove her here. That was nice of them, very nice of them.
He didn't get paid for that, you know, he might have got
a hamburger. Yeah, but people need to start getting paid for that.
And that's my point. And so I have to call and then she's like
oh and then like it was like a month later, I had to remind
her, hey, still waiting on that, you know, because they told
her, Nope, you used our services last January, so you have to
wait till May of twenty twenty four before we can, you know, support
you going into a sober living home again. Yeah, and she's like wait.
The lady at DH Chess was like, wait a minute. So you're
telling me, like the two most crucial things for people in recovery that we
need support for transportation and housing and she was pretty much denied both from mid
State, and I said, yeah, absolutely was. She's like, well,
I'll get to the bottom of it. Se like a month later,
I'm like, hey, still waiting for that, and then she wrote me
back, oh yeah, well here's what mid State. Midstate says that they
don't pay for sober living and blah blah blah blah blah. I'm like,
okay, And I even think I put in the email back to it,
which I need to email her again. I said, that's cute, but
it's not sob We're little because the place where she was going is actually part
of a treatment program. So it's like what you said, level three housing.
It's it's a there's a level to it, and it's not just like
because where we went Nathan's house, Yeah, that's a sober living house that's
not associated with the state. Well they are, they pass their stuff,
but they don't do the funding stuff. So we have to pay for that
out of our pocket. And no, I wouldn't expect Medicaid to pay for
that. But if you're part of a program where you're going to outpatient where
you're doing all this stuff, you're meeting with therapists, you're doing all this
stuff you need to be doing, that's level three housing. And yes,
they do pay for that, and that's how they try to bully people.
And I just wish more people wo stand up for themselves. But it's hard
because if you're in the addiction part of it, you feel like the size
of an ant. You feel like you don't even deserve another chance. Yeah,
and most of the time we want to die anyway. So when we
get that kind of attitude from those people, just unacceptable. And you know,
I can blame whoever. I like to blame the governor because in this
big scheme of things, whoever's run a DHHS, sometimes maybe it's too busy
to be looking at the stuff behind her, which I get. But you
got to have the right people in play man. You got to have the
right people on your staff that are holding people accountable, you know, just
like the small business or that was the COVID grant that we didn't get.
And they said, well, we had to be established in January of twenty
nineteen. I said, well, twenty nineteen, like COVID winning even around,
right, you know, at the end of it it was but like
I was like, well, we were started in April. We were established
with the state in May. Like what does January of twenty nineteen have anything
to do with it. We were established before COVID hit and then as it
hit, boom, you know, we got screwed. And then the lady
was like, oh no, And I think they just made that up to
me because nowhere on the application did it say that. And I reached out
to our representative here, Betsy Kofia. I don't know what the hell she's
doing, but I just told her, look, you know, like stop
having these people who are not qualified to pass out the money. Which would
this in this case suit have been the Michigan Nonprofit Association. And I don't
know if they were mad because I didn't want to join their little club because
they wanted to like, hey, pay it's three hudred dollars, give me
part of our club. I don't know, just saying I'm not a part
of their club. I'm getting bullshit excuses of why we couldn't get the funding
for the COVID, which is meant for small nonprofits like us, right,
who actually were helping people during COVID. Nope, nothing, you know,
I've been to a few of those meetings. I think we're one of the
best that actually help people. It actually used the programming that set out for
us to us and everything else. We could show numbers, Yeah, we
can. That's one of those things. Man. Yeah, if it was
easy, it wouldn't be worth it, right right, Nothing about this has
been easy. Nah. And I know Marnie she hates when I should call
them rants and I go on, but like it's just it's frustration. But
if I don't tell people what's going on, if I don't say, hey,
here it is, I invite all those people on my podcast DHHS,
Mid State SWIMBA, whoever, you're welcome, come on aboard, let's talk
about it. But they won't. Oh is that a job now? Yeah?
Now do you think they will got your let's see it. They won't.
There's an invite, So if you know somebody at those organizations if you
know the head of whoever, let them know. Corty Wonfield talk shit.
So was your day? My day was was awesome. I got to hang
out with my friends. Yeah, yep, what friends at the GTB Tribe?
Oh Grand Traverse Band? What did you do? Uh? Hung out
with Kathy's talk to Scott. Of course, Scott has the Reservation Conversation podcast
and he hasn't done one in a minute, but he's been going through some
things and he said he almost did one today and he should have, but
he'll have them one up soon. But he's he's wrong with it. I'm
proud of them for starting. He's got a nice sweet studio in his office
as well. Sweet. Yeah, and then Kathy are Sweethearts because she was
like eating sweethearts all the time, so that since her nickname, she's like
now back with the nicknames. Because soon she walked in the office, Scott
was like, oh, it's Sweethearts. So she's like back with the nicknames.
Huh. Normally because her last name is Tattnan, Scott to introduced hers.
Hey, it's Kathy was Hatten and Tattnening. This is pretty funny.
But they're good people man, and Scott was telling me about some of the
stuff that they're doing there, and I asked him to be a part of
our next recovery event February maybe. He declined to do it. I said,
God, it's okay. He's like, no, I don't need to
do that. I was like, you don't need to, but you want
to, right, So I'm gonna have to. I'm gonna do some sweet
talking, maybe buy him some dinner. Oh, we'll see, but no,
it was it was good. I haven't seen those guys and then it
seems like forever and I used to go there like once a week to kind
of happen with the podcast thing. So it felt good to see him again.
That's good. Yeah. Yeah, so, uh, your day today
was better than yesterday? Yes, yeah, So what happened was so you've
had because sometimes, okay, when you're taking people to treatment, sometimes they're
not in the right state of mind. And this is exactly why we do
what we do. And this is a perfect example of why, Grandma,
because sometimes they'll say, oh, well you can you know, call the
insurance and they'll take you to treatment. A no, they won't, and
be good luck because they say oh no, well dhhs, they'll they'll do
that. Well, good luck finding a driver. And then when you're supposed
to wait for the drivers going to be there, let's say Tuesday at six,
and Tuesday at six comes Tuesday at seven, eight nine. Nope,
you didn't get taken because guess what, the driver backed out because he didn't
felt like driving all the way over there, or he didn't want take somebody
treatment because sometimes people are a little drunk. He drunk, Sometimes people are
high and all kinds of drugs, and it's just it's it's not not something
that Grahama who volunteers that I take someone to their doctoral appointment, right,
she don't need to be seeing this. Yeah, yesterday is very interesting.
So the person, man, woman, whoever, the person. That's how
we talk about people. We don't we don't use genders them, okay,
persons appropriate a person. I don't know how to do that stuff, So
I just say a person. That's what I'm comfortable with. So the person
extremely intoxicated, Yeah, extremely extremely. I think if we tell more of
the story, it'll be obvious what kind of person this is. And because
it's going to get to a point where you're gonna and that's with all that
anyways. So so it's like no secret. You know, like when we're
taking people to certain destinations, they're just at their start. They probably just
had their last drink. Ah, yes, and we'll offer them a bottle
of water. Well, this individual them they decided that it was a great
idea to try to urinate in their bottle in the back seat. How is
she gonna do that? Or I mean they them gonna do that they just
whipped it right out or just yeah and just let it go. Huh.
Good thing. We got weather tech formats, Yes, think you weather tech
for I not think they might have to pay for those. Either way,
we're thankful for weather tech. Yeah, good for that. And that's why
we have like pleather seats as well, because if we had like cloth seats
and that soaks in impossible douche baking silt and douche I'm not you call me
a douche bro No, no, to use in the car to get the
smell out. What Yeah, what kind of backwoods did you live in?
It works? What are you talking about? Justin so, you go to
the store and you're like, hey, you go to Walgreens, You're like,
hey, I need the Do they have different sens or something. I
don't really know. Who what did you have to do this one time?
Yeah? So growing up, we had this cat. My mom was taking
it to go get it fixed. Uh huh, and she had the cat
sitting between her legs and the car on the seat and it just peed in
the seat. We spent we tried doing everything to get out the cat piece
smell. It was ninety degrees that summer cars stunk. We couldn't go anywhere
unless the windows are down. And some old lady told my mom one time.
She was like, try a douche in some baking soda. Something about
the pH balance and the douche pH balances the smell. I don't really know,
but it works. M So, did you douche a vehicle? No?
I did not. Okay, it wasn't in the budget, probably not,
probably not. I've never heard of that. That's crazy, Yeah,
because I know they make like stuff at the store and those aisles with the
car stuff. You just go through there and you pick some stuff out right,
and you guys got some spray and stuff, and yeah, we usually
I saw then I cleaned it again with wind decks Windex is great. Yeah,
multi surface cleaner. Oh yeah, it's cheap, barely smell good.
Right, So you're right today, no problems. Did you tell the person
I was running with you today? Man, this is a dude that or
this person could be a woman just peete all over the place yesterday. No,
I was thinking about that and I almost bustle got laughing as I thought.
As I thought about it, which was like, I need to go
to the bathroom, and I was like, let's go. Yeah, I
got some douche. We can get that out of there. No, that's
funny. I one time I had a woman puke in the car. That's
what you're saying. And the next day I did tell the person. I
was like, oh, yeah, that's see. You're sitting in right there.
Somebody pewked all over the door yesterday and they were like, hmm,
that's horrible. Another time, I did a really good job cleaning it.
I said, thank you. How long did it take you to clean out
the puke? Ten minutes? Only ten minutes? Yeah, that's well.
Like when it happened, I grabbed the person's clothes and I wiped it all.
The person was not happy, but I wasn't happy either, and I
had no rags or anything I was going to use to clean the person's pewke
up with. So that's what happens. Dream mis centers got washing machines,
they do, Thank God, Thank god for that. I think we should
get some barf bags from like the hospital. Yeah, yeah we should.
Yeah, sounds like a job for the transportation director. I'll get right out
of Amazon and look him up. Good thinking. So the reason why we're
talking about this, though, is because that left you feeling some kind of
way yesterday. Oh yeah, I had enough compassion in my body to leave
him in the vehicle, but really none at all. Like I had a
few choice words when we got to our destination. It wasn't pleasant. I
told I wasn't being compassionate. Ah. That hurt a little bit because I
still got him there right Winfield threw his ass out. I probably would have,
and again that's not the right thing to do, but I don't know.
I probably would have stoped left the person pe I told him. I
was like, dude, can you wait a mile there's a gas station right
up the road. You're probably egging him on. Yeah, man, go
right in the bottle. Bro, No, this would be funny, not
at all, and then started spraying anywhere. You probably thought, oh,
this isn't funny. I didn't have kind words to say when I was in
the vehicle chat in the face, No, no golden shower received. Sorry
is that what you're sat? No, that's really messed up. My name
is now R Kelly. But trip, trip, trip, turn your face
to a toilet. See. So the compassion part though, and then had
you feel kind of like, man, like, that's not cool because I
didn't want to feel that way. But in that moment, though, you
got the person where they needed to go, which is very important, you
know, and the person, like I said, was like beyond toxicated.
Like I've been there personally, I've never pete on someone's car that I can
remember, not on their car in their car. I've read that, but
I don't know. Just the fact that you can realize though, that that
made you feel kind of weird, and that even someone else realized, you
know, not a lot of compassion. They're justin you know, and it
just makes you think, though, I mean, we don't handle every situation
correctly, no, but it could have been a lot worse. And next
time. Hopefully there is no next time, but if there is, there
can be you know, some compassion, something mail a little bit more.
I'm working on it. At least it wasn't the number two. Yeah,
when I got back here, I something's destination and apology for my actions after
I cooled down after about twenty minutes. Yeah, it's hard, It was
hard. It's really hard. You know. There a cab would have thrown
his ass right out. Uber would have thrown them out, charged them or
charged whoever paid for the ride right you know, two hundred bucks. A
bus would have thrown them off. He wouldn't have not been able to get
on the bus. No, So again, it's how we help. And
yeah, can you imagine pan all over the like in your car. The
car that you use is pretty much your office. Yeah, like you're you're
in it quite a bit driving people, and it's like somebody just walking into
your office just peeing all over your stuff, Like this is not cool.
Man, No, got your ass two times because you can't ride. I
think it served a little bit. We need to hit that one. But
at least, you know, you came back to work today. I'm proud
of you for that, and you know you handled this ride of you know,
like, all right, well that was one ride in one hundred and
fifty or whatever. Yeah, I think we should hand out and reward for
the worst ride of the year the year. Okay, well, that's definitely
we should do re enactment videos. No, no, I'm not cleaning that
up again. See Justin's face. That'd have been awesome. It would have
been. It was horrible. Yeah, So you ever need a ride with
us, please don't pee in our vehicles. I went from calm to insanely
crazy within two point two seconds. Been so quick, so quick. Hopefully
it never happens to you, g man, I hope not. And thanks
for getting the person where they need to go and and coming back to work
today, and you know, taking someone and not like holding that grudge for
someone that had nothing to do with it. Every day, man's different.
You just gotta thank God that you're part of it. Yeah, that's definitely
a learning experience for sure. Well, thanks for coming on the podcast and
talking about it. Justin appreciate that, and we'll have to have you on
again sometimes. All right, all right, until next time, don't pee
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