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You're listening to KFI AM six forty
on demand. Freedom is a wonderful thing.

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Freedom can be abused just like anything, and for the believer, it

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must be controlled. So it just
because you can do something doesn't mean you

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should do something. And that's the
age old dilemma with everybody, really with

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any system of freedom. This happens
in the United States as well, but

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it will happen on a day to
day basis with you as a believer.

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You'll be around all kinds of people, whether they are non believers or that

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maybe they're young believers just new trying
to learn, get their footing, and

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people will be watching you, watching
you in what you do, how you

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interact, the things you say,
and you desire is to have that freedom

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and explore that freedom. Thank God
for that freedom, but also not to

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misuse it or to put it in
a light that causes confusion and a stumbling

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block for those around you. You
will let people down, and there will

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be times where you'll do things that
are completely okay under the blood on the

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cross, but will somehow make someone
else stumble. And for instance, is

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there's nothing wrong with drinking wine.
However, if you're in the presence of

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an alcoholic it's not the best thing
to do. As a matter of fact,

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you can very much be a stumbling
block depending on where the person is

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in their recovery, and that by
knowing that you should be compassionate towards that

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and forego the drinking on your own. And that's just a simple analogy or

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a simple example rather of how it
can come up in your life. In

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New Testament times it had a lot
to do not only with drinking, but

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with food and the concept of food, paganized food or food that was sacrificed

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to idols. Sometimes you know,
sometimes you didn't. That's quite why most

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people pray today. When you're praying
over a meal, oftentimes you're not sure

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where it came from, and so
you're giving God the glory for the food

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just in case it was sacrificed by
someone else for some other reason, and

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sort of cleansing it while giving praise
to God. Well, those things happened

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two thousand years ago as well.
The battle when going to eat something,

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is it going to make someone stumble? Plus, there were things that the

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Christian believers would eat or consume that
their Jewish brothers and sisters would not,

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and these things can sometimes cause confusion, and one Corinthians eight thirteen it says,

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therefore, if what I eat causes
my brother to fall into sin,

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I will never eat meat again,
so that I will not cause him to

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fall. And essentially it was better
to just cut that food out of your

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life than it was to make someone
stumble. Best case scenario, you kind

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of cover all edges. And now
I'm not saying you have to be that

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dramatic about it, but really it's
about having that instant come into play.

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Protect yourself and others by knowing if
someone has a weakness or a concern or

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a sin, that you don't want
to lead them down, especially young believers.

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You know, being with a young
believer and an old believer should be

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inspiring and often is, but sometimes
can be a little confusing. The older

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believer has kind of whittled through a
lot of the garbage, maybe things that

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people have placed in the way,
or certain traditions that are really more about

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tradition than they are about anything else, and all of this and that can

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be confusing sometimes. Even one Timothy
four twelve says, don't let anyone look

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down on you because you were young, But you're accountable too, goes on

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to say, but set an example
for the believers in speech, in conduct,

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in love, in faith, and
impurity, regardless of your age in

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Christ. And what I'm calling you
to here is to be aware of your

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and the things you do and the
things you say, and the things you

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know, and how you interact and
all these things because the others see them.

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And it's not just the world,
it's those that claim to be Christians

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as well that are going through their
own struggles. Now some may care,

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some may not care. There are
some believers that just don't focus on those

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things, and there's some that people
refer to as legalistic and get very very

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specific about every little thing. But
the truth be told. Scripture says that

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you're to make no one stumble.
And it's not about judging everyone or going

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back and judging each other. It's
about understanding that what you can do affects

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others. And as much as you're
trying to you know, sometimes you may

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do something and if a non believer
sees you, say, ah, well

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they're not a believer. They don't
really get the whole thing anyways. And

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it's under the blood of the Cross. And I'm fine, and they don't

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get it. But it's not just
about that. It affects Christians alike Romans

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fourteen thirteen. Therefore, let us
stop passing judgment on one another. Instead,

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make up your mind not to put
any stumbling block or obstacle in the

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way of a brother or sister.
So think about the things that you do,

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sometimes maybe in spite or out of
frustration, that you may do that

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would cause stumbling from another believer,
the way you act, the things you

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do. I know, I have
this conversation with my producer Neil all the

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time, a little too free spirited
wrestles with being an individual in his faith

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versus being an actual stumbling block.
And that's going to be a concern of

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yours as well that you're going to
You don't want to be a cookie cut

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You don't want to just do everything
that everybody else does or anything that you

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have to hold on to your individuality
most certainly, but do it in a

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way that it isn't causing others to
fall or to sin, to stumble,

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because in doing that, you you
remove God from the equation. Now you're

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making it about the sin, or
you're making it about the mistakes in people's

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lives and you're kind of giving them
an excuse to do them more, and

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people struggle as it is. You
know, a research came out recently,

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and this is one of those things
that they've been going back and forth on

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them been studying for a long time, is how people react to visual stimulation

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or other types of stimulation that remind
them of something. For instance, made

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note that if an athlete is watching
a sports game, they have different responses

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than your average Jane or Joe,
and they're a little more intense. However,

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everyone watching kind of puts themselves in
a game. You ever wonder why,

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wow, how could so many people
sit around watching a football game or

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a basketball game and they tend to
say things like oh we won or things

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like that when they weren't playing at
all. Well, the body, even

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though it's not playing, sees the
action and almost puts itself in the action.

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That's why adrenaline can raise well watching
a game. I'm sure if they

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had a bet or had money on
the game, that kind of helps the

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cause as well. But physiologically,
there's other stuff going on and new studies

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coming out that when a smoker or
an X smoker sees somebody smoke on camera

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they're watching a film, they feel
the urge and the desire smoke as well.

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Now, as a believer, when
you're doing certain things, you may

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be doing something that motivates someone else
in a way that could be destructive in

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their life, causing them to stumble. And this puts extra weight on you

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understanding who you are, what you
do, and how you are around others.

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Being an example or living as an
example is always going to be difficult,

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And as believers, there's this extra
balance because you're to be living in

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a way that compels the world to
ask about the hope that lies within you.

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As it says in onse P.
Three fifteen, you're called to that

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living in a way and dealing with
problems and circumstances in such a way that

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others will notice. But also you're
called to defend younger Christians and younger believers

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and others in your own flock by
the things you do in liberty. So

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this wonderful thing, liberty that gives
you that freedom to do all kinds of

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things, also gives you the most
intense responsibility. There's a lot of bondage

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in freedom, and I know that
sounds strange, but quite frankly, in

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that comes the responsibility of what to
do and what not to do. Even

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though you're allowed, it really focuses
not on what you can do, but

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focuses on what you should do.
One Corinthians ten twenty three says, I

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have the right to do anything you
say, but not everything is beneficial.

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I have the right to do anything, but not everything is constructive. And

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this is where discernment comes in and
where you play the part of learning what's

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going to be beneficial, not just
what you can do, but what you

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ought to do, what you should
do. And there are going to be

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things that would be legal technically under
the blood of Christ, and that you

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have freedom, but honing that freedom
and maximizing it and doing good things is

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really the path that God calls you
justever you want for whatever reason. Yes,

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when you have the blood of God
on your side, it allows you

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a lot of freedoms, much more
than even much of the church gives.

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There are churches that seem to spend
their time looking to take away your freedoms.

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However, that's that's not what I
call you to. Call you to

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have the freedoms but simultaneously have the
discernment and the ability to weed them from

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your life if they cause division or
if they cause people to stumble, And

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it really should motivate open discussion between
believers. Healthy healthy discussion amongst believers is

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kind of a family in house discussion, because there are going to be those

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that say, well, this makes
me stumble, so you should stop doing

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it. It says that if you
ate meat and it made someone stubble,

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that you would stop, so you
should stop. And that's not the case

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either. It can't be just used
as leverage to get people to do what

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you want them to do because you
think it's right or wrong. It has

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to be about harmony and learning that
what you do does affect others. And

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just because it's legal and under the
blood and there's freedom doesn't mean it's good

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or healthier constructive. Hi, Kathy, welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.

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Hi. I love your show.
Oh thank you. I will preface my

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question with this. A physician friend
of mine recommended the book The Language of

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God by Francis Collins right, And
he said to me, I'm a scientist

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and a believer, and this book
is a must read, and so I

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recommend it to my book club,
and we are all, like twenty five

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of us are just really into this
book. And really it's so it's not

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anything new, as you know,
but it's so interesting to hear Francis Collins

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as a scientist and as a Christian
and explain the biological part or the scientific

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part of the Bible, the DNA
project and all this in such a way

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that for the first time, I
feel like I really do understand sort of

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where God was coming from. And
I asked a friend of my about this

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book if she had read it,
and she's a very fundamental Christian and she

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believes that the Earth and at the
universe is six thousand years old, and

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she, oh, gee, I
don't know. I'll have to run that

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by somebody at my church. Anyway, I just want your opinion on what

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do you think about this? Well, my producer, Neil is the one

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that puts his thumbs up or thumbs
down on books. I don't endorse books

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on the program myself, but I
will tell you this. We will look

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at a couple of things. One
Collins is the head of the Human Genome

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Project. He's a former atheist and
an incredibly brilliant mind. He is a

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Christian and he is a huge fan
of C. S. Lewis as well,

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who gets quite quoted rather quite a
bit in the book. So there

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is debate that goes on because of
this particular the case he makes for a

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kind of God directed evolution, and
there are Christians that will land in different

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areas. There's kind of a breakoff
of different beliefs. Now you've got intelligent

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design, you've got basic creationism,
you've got the atheistic type of evolution,

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and then you've got what people call
theistic evolution, and now you've got this

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kind of God directed evolution, which
is a little different as well. So

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I would say as a whole,
I think it's wonderful that you're reading it.

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The concept of the universe or the
concept of people being six thousand years

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old is truly based on a misreading
of scripture. So it's using scripture in

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a way that it wasn't meant to
be used. They're taking the chronology of

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man and saying that this is a
true chronology and this is every single generation.

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So all you got to do is
that up the averages of generations and

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you'll come up with a rough estimation, and then you tie in Jewish calendar

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to that you think, okay,
well, this is roughly about what it

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is, and it's really not a
fair look or an honest look at how

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old man is or how old the
Earth is, or any of those things.

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But there is discussion that goes on. We talk about reason reasons dot

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org. The folks that reasons to
believe that are old Universe creationists. They're

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those that believe that the Earth is
much older than six thousand years, much

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older. And some people look at
them and say, oh, they're not

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Christian because of this. It's silliness
that goes on. I think it's incredibly

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healthy, Kathy, that you're doing
this, and I'm happy to hear that

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it's inspiring you and that the type
of discussion in the book is one that

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piques your interest. In any work
by man, anything that's written by man,

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one needs to have the sense of
an old cow and eat the hay

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and leave the sticks. There's going
to be some great stuff in it and

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maybe some not so great, or
maybe some areas of gray area that aren't

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so well defined. Also, it's
fine to understand science by the way of

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God, and sometimes it's okay to
understand God by way of science, because

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after all, you can learn a
lot about an artist by looking at their

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art. But what you don't want
to do, ever, is overshadow scripture

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because of a book or even because
of perceived science. And I say that

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because science by definition is observational,
and those observations do change. So having

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said all of that, there's nothing
about this author, there's nothing about the

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topic or anything like that that I
think is damaging or detrimental. On its

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face, I think it's wonderful that
you guys would get together and start reading

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this and you know, pass it
along to others, and if it really

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speaks to you, it speaks to
you. The biggest problem with the concept

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of theistic evolution of any kind is
if there's any crossing of the flesh,

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meaning that in Genesis it talks about
God creating and everything was created onto their

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own kind. Some people may say
that this is defining a phylum, like

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a group that branches off, but
it's a phylum. The problem that Christianity

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has is not with the concept of
evolution, and a lot of people don't

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understand that. They think that all
Christians hate evolution, but really, if

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they're an educated Christian, you'll understand
that the Bible really opposes the special theory

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of evolution, that great change is
possible within fixed kinds. That's not what

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took place scripturally. But it's fine
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it's not okay with the general theory
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human beings that there's nowhere there's no
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but as far as the special of
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an adaptation or things like that.
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reading this book, I'm reading the
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thought it'd fit in with what I
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No, he is so interesting,
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No. No. That's another thing
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demonize thinkers. Now, there are
some, there are some mean people throughout

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history who've written some ugly things about
the Church and about God, and that

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had their own issues, but most
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look at it, philosophy birthed science, and through that came a greater understanding

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of religion, not a lesser understanding. Now, I know that there's a

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branch of sciences that you know,
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is silly because you can't prove a
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Darwin, you've you find somebody who
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it's a faulty premise that Darwin uses, and that's why most scientists, if

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not all, currently don't adhere to
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type of evolution doesn't really exist anymore. And Darwin himself said, hey,

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you're gonna find you're you're gonna be
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fossils everywhere, and you know,
here you are. Well, I thought,

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the really interesting thing about Charles Darwin
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towards the end of his life is
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theist. Well, these are things
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yes, those statements often are you
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hey, listen, you don't come
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this just happened to you know,
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sitting in the sun for a certain
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see complexity and the argument that some
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the similarities in all these animals,
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that's like saying, look at all
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the same mother and father that by
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they're going to have the similarities in
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worthy, worthy discussion, and I
will poke it Neil to read the book

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and to put a critique up on
the website. But I think it's healthy

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and I don't see anything. There
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don't walk from. This is not
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think of C. Lewis? I
love C. S. Lewis, and

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we referenced C. S. Lewis
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This was a man who battled through
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through you know, after his death, a lot of those writings that were

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never meant to be books by the
way a lot of those writings and diaries

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and journals and things that he had
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reader, and with very interesting notes
about his battle. And the reason why

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I like C. S. Lewis
and we talk about C. S.

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Lewis on the air and recommend a
lot of his works through Neil is that

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he has an intense honesty and there's
a lot of falsification in the church,

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a lot of smile through it type
stuff Jesus Loves You and the batting of

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the eyebrows and that business. And
it's not just about that kind of candy

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eyed thought process. There's a lot
more to it, and there's a lot

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of pain in the process of learning
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into a healthy human being. And
I think C. S. Lewis is

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incredibly honest about that. And so
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hasn't been misquoted in books or used
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are healthy Christians. I do say, though, that it's usually a pretty

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good sign when somebody quotes C.
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who is honest with not only their
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also a healthy understanding of the reality
of God not being you know, the

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ultimate candygiver. Oh, I'm going
to believe in God and everything's going to

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be great, and life's gonna be
dandying. We're gonna skipping onto church hand

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in hand and all of those things. So I'm very proud of you,

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Kathy. I think that's that sounds
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cracking into. And and the fact
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engaging you like that, I think
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of these types of books come out
and go by the wayside. I would

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recommend to you, Kathy, checking
out Reasons dot org and the folks at

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Reasons to Believe with doctor Hugh Ross
and the like. You have chemists and

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astrophysicists and the like that write and
talk about these things all the time,

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and I think that they do it
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and most likely if you went to
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critique or a thought or two about
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again because if you go back,
you see that the early scientists were people

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of faith in one form or another, were people of faith, and so

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that that is kind of bridging the
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becoming a little more okay for scientists
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not see it as as contradictory to
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of faith. Brian, Welcome to
the Jesus Christ Show. Jesus Good Brian,

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what's going on? Yeah, I
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wondering why a lot of painting and
pictures show angels having things. Okay,

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I was wondering if the UFO phenomena
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beings. Oh, it's interesting and
there's a lot of theory on both.

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I don't know that we'll get to
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the scripture first. That's the best
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you see the cherubic the little child
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their chubby faced you know how you
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that's that type of description is nowhere
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is a hierarchy, almost like a
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by God that are messengers, which
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times in scripture like for instance,
in Isaiah, if you go to Isaiah

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six, verse two and six,
you'll see that it talks about a seraphim,

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and the seraphim in this case said
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two that covered the faith too,
that cover the feet, and to that

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he flew with, and and so
a lot of description, you know,

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and paintings come from that. If
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Keep in mind, the angel does
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only has a body form at particular
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Yes, do you think maybe when
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you know, receive a body.
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necessity. Now, it doesn't mean
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fallen are fallen angels that yes,
they could possess a body, but they

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don't receive a body. A lot
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Hollywood and the Harps and the and
that people die and then they go to

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heaven become angels. That's not the
way it works in scripture. Also,

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there's talking in the Book of Daniel
about flight and like, so when you

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read these things, it's kind of
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well, how does someone fly?
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It's applying very human or human understanding
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We're talking about Daniel, like when
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the sky, like like, wouldn't
chariot be like, you know, if

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we were if we were to see
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aeroplane. But I guess back then
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it as chariot. Well there's yeah, there's instances in Isaiah as well as

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well about the wheel in the sky
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is to understand its context, to
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can go into gift shops and all
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kind of an end thing for a
while there. People were collecting little figurines

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and books on angels. But a
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lot of you know, garbage actually
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and to make it short, people
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and they try and find anything else
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to participate with that isn't actually being
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fall into that category. Yet angels
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them, don't worship me. Do
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to be worshiped. But there's a
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reading that's called Angels Elect an Evil
by se Fred Dickison, and he thinks

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it's a fantastic book on angels.
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angels, there's a good place to
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about the hierarchy, about the stations
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of angels in movies. It's funny
you see angels appear as women most of

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the time. Almost every single physical
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with the exception of one that some
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not, and there's discrepancies. But
these types of things actually have been modified

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by Hollywood. Brian Hollywood has found
sexier, more interesting ways, in their

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own opinion, to portray angels,
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types of angelic beans. But angels
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not the single pair, and that
kind of appearance that you're used to,

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but usually in more dramatic form.
And some of the demons in the like

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are pretty intense, and the appearance
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intense than a very flowery painting that
will go in your mother's bathroom. Might

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