1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:14,039 And now Audio Theater Central. Hello, welcome to Audio Theater Central. This 2 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:19,320 is the show that explores family friendly audio drama through news, reviews and interviews. 3 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,320 I'm your host, JD. Sutter, and this is episode one hundred 4 00:00:23,359 --> 00:00:28,440 and eighty four. Well, I'll be joined in a little while by writer 5 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:33,039 and director Craig Hart for an interview about all that he's got going on over 6 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:39,039 at LRT Media and an exclusive announcement about the Robin Hood project that he is 7 00:00:39,079 --> 00:00:41,399 working on. So you want to stick around for that, It's going to 8 00:00:41,439 --> 00:00:45,159 be great. I've got a bunch of audio drama updates to get to here 9 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:51,840 shortly, and some feedback from easy about Old Time Radio. Also, in 10 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:57,520 the monologue segment, I'm going to be talking about the problem of the senecas 11 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:03,120 the future of the awards. So if you showed up to this episode specifically 12 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:08,719 for that, you can jump to the following time stamp one hour, ten 13 00:01:08,799 --> 00:01:15,480 minutes and one second. I know I had mentioned in the awards broadcast that 14 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,719 I would be addressing the future of the awards in this episode, so I 15 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,239 wanted to make it easy for you to get right to that if that's what 16 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,439 you came here for. All right, let's jump into the updates. Were 17 00:01:26,439 --> 00:01:32,359 interrupt this program to bring you a special report and in other news tonight a 18 00:01:32,519 --> 00:01:36,920 brief look at the headlines. Now they want exciting, fast piece news that's 19 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:41,799 relevant and entertaining like this. Well, I just mentioned the Seneca Awards. 20 00:01:42,159 --> 00:01:46,519 If you missed it. The replay is available at the website and the full 21 00:01:46,519 --> 00:01:49,719 list of the winners is listed there as well, so you can go check 22 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:55,480 that out right now if you want to, or stick around because the replay 23 00:01:55,519 --> 00:02:00,560 will be dropped into the Audio Theater Central podcast feed in the next episode and 24 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:06,959 we'll be hearing from the winners in some acceptance speeches in that episode, and 25 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,039 there will be the normal updates segment in that one as well, so stick 26 00:02:10,039 --> 00:02:17,199 around for that if you would prefer to listen to the Seneca Awards that way. 27 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:24,120 Well, September is the anniversary of Audio Theater Central, and not doing 28 00:02:24,159 --> 00:02:28,599 anything special, just thought I would mention it. September twenty seven, twenty 29 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,439 ten, was when the first episode dropped. That's kind of not true, 30 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:38,199 because we did drop the actual very first episode earlier that month, but it 31 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:44,280 was what I called episode zero, just an introduction to the show and the 32 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:49,599 official episode one was released on September twenty seven. But here we are, 33 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:55,280 thirteen years later, still going strong, and that's due in large part to 34 00:02:55,400 --> 00:03:01,120 you listening. So thank you for sticking with us, and let's keep this 35 00:03:01,159 --> 00:03:09,280 thing going well. Speaking of anniversaries, the BBC is celebrating their audio drama 36 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:15,240 anniversary, celebrating one hundred years of audio drama all this month. So there's 37 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,759 a link in the show notes to check out their lineup of special programming and 38 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:23,800 things. But the BBC has for many, many years made some really great, 39 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:29,680 high quality audio drama. Particularly a lot of their adaptations of classic literature 40 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,039 are my favorites, and so I've listened to a ton of that stuff. 41 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:39,080 So they are definitely a mainstay in this industry and they have consistently been putting 42 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:44,400 out great stuff. So celebrating one hundred years of audio drama for them, 43 00:03:44,439 --> 00:03:49,800 that is just really really cool. So congratulations to BBC Radio. And a 44 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,120 couple of little items that are coming up soon that I wanted to make sure 45 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:58,639 to let you know about. Firstly is Alpha Omegacon, which is a Christian 46 00:03:58,719 --> 00:04:03,319 comic con Basically, it is a Christian comic book and pop culture convention. 47 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,000 And it is just a one day event. It is in Long Beach, 48 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:12,960 California, on September sixteenth, and Katie Lee will be there. If you 49 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,199 don't know, Katie is the voice of Connie Kendall on Adventures and Odyssey. 50 00:04:15,279 --> 00:04:19,519 So if you are anywhere near southern California and would like to meet Katie, 51 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:24,879 there is your opportunity. Alpha Omegacon and who knows, you might find some 52 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:29,920 other great content, some comics or whatever that you can enjoy there as well. 53 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,480 Their website is Alpha omegacon dot com and it is linked in the show 54 00:04:33,519 --> 00:04:41,000 notes. Another thing coming up very soon, This will be kicking off in 55 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:46,160 October, but Odyssey Moments is relaunching their Flat Eugene contest. Now, if 56 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:50,439 you're not familiar with Flat Eugene, it is a It is an AIO spin 57 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:54,920 on the Flat Stanley Project, And if you don't know what that is, 58 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,959 check it out on Wikipedia. There's a huge article about it. But basically, 59 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:05,199 you have a print out of the character of Eugene. You take it 60 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:11,639 around and take photos of Eugene in different places. So the challenge is going 61 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,639 to be going for the entire month of October. And as I said, 62 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,519 the challenge is to take a photo of flat Eugene daily based on a prompt 63 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:24,839 that is given for that day, and you post that photo to social media 64 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:29,639 using a specific hashtag, or you can also email it in. You are 65 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,879 not required to submit a photo every single day, but if you do, 66 00:05:33,439 --> 00:05:38,839 have a little bit of an advantage when it comes time for tallying up everything 67 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:44,720 and choosing a winner. So you'll want to follow at Flat Eugene on Instagram 68 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:49,639 to stay informed or the Odyssey Moment's accounts. Maybe more information will be coming 69 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:54,199 up on the Odyssey Moment's website as well. There will be a first, 70 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:59,680 second, and third place prize including a copy of Adventures and Odyssey album seventy 71 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,399 five and some other cool stuff. So I know we're a little ways away 72 00:06:02,439 --> 00:06:06,319 from that, but I wanted to make sure you had enough time to plan 73 00:06:06,959 --> 00:06:10,439 and look into what you need to do to get ready for that. If 74 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:15,160 you want to take part in the Flat Eugene contest. Hopefully we'll have some 75 00:06:15,199 --> 00:06:19,279 more details soon, so stay tuned to the website and possibly in the next 76 00:06:19,319 --> 00:06:26,439 episode, I'll have some more information as well. All right, now we 77 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:32,439 get to upcoming audio drummer releases well, Eternal Future Productions has announced that they 78 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:38,759 are going to be producing a brand new show, and this will be a 79 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:44,800 standalone one off production called Resurgence. Now. They teamed up with Glenn Haskell 80 00:06:44,879 --> 00:06:49,279 to write this and the team at Eternal Future will be producing it and it 81 00:06:49,399 --> 00:06:55,480 is slated to release in early twenty twenty four. Again, it's a standalone 82 00:06:55,480 --> 00:07:01,040 production, running somewhere in the thirty to forty minute range and they've described it 83 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:06,160 as a romance with a twist. Again, it's called Resurgence, and if 84 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,839 you want to see the artwork for it, there's a link in the show 85 00:07:09,879 --> 00:07:14,199 notes to go check out the blog post on the EFP website. But that's 86 00:07:14,279 --> 00:07:17,319 all that we have about this show so far. So not a whole lot, 87 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:24,000 but hey, they're doing really good at dripping out information just to get 88 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:28,560 people excited about them. You know, they've got you know, more pirateiers 89 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,639 coming this year and then they're working on Venture. So now here's another standalone 90 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:39,000 production to add to their catalog, so looking forward to that. Also, 91 00:07:39,319 --> 00:07:43,920 there is a new season of base Camp Adventures coming. Album six titled Return 92 00:07:44,199 --> 00:07:49,279 will start releasing September thirteenth with episode one, and that episode is called Need 93 00:07:49,399 --> 00:07:53,920 a Hand. Now, there will be a lot of new characters because they're 94 00:07:53,959 --> 00:07:58,480 moving into a sort of new era of this show because a lot of the 95 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:05,399 kid campers from previous albums are grown, so they're they're moving on bringing in 96 00:08:05,439 --> 00:08:11,279 a new stable of characters in this new album. So lots to look forward 97 00:08:11,319 --> 00:08:16,160 to with Base Camp Adventures again. That first episode is releasing on September thirteenth 98 00:08:16,279 --> 00:08:20,600 on the podcast feed and in the live action app. All Right, our 99 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:26,399 last upcoming release, and it's another little bit of a teaser that we don't 100 00:08:26,519 --> 00:08:28,959 have a whole lot of information about yet, but marky Witz audio Works has 101 00:08:28,959 --> 00:08:35,840 announced the title of their upcoming Christmas production for twenty twenty three. And I 102 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,360 hope I'm pronouncing this correctly, but Ardubon and the Quest for the King is 103 00:08:39,399 --> 00:08:43,879 the title, and it is based on the eighteen ninety five story The other 104 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:50,480 Wise Man by Henry Van Dyke. And they said they are about sixty percent 105 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:56,279 done with the script to this point and we'll begin casting in September, so 106 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:03,320 they will begin production soon. And that is another new Christmas audio drama that 107 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:07,600 we have to look forward to this coming holiday season. Now, this next 108 00:09:07,639 --> 00:09:13,679 item is not a new item. It is quite old, actually, but 109 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:18,879 it was just recently discovered. And I know there are those of you in 110 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:24,840 this community who are big fans of Jungle Jam, and so Austin Peachy recently 111 00:09:24,879 --> 00:09:31,720 found an interview that was done on a radio station several years ago when I'm 112 00:09:31,759 --> 00:09:37,519 assuming the Jungle Jam was still in production and just starting out on radio stations 113 00:09:37,639 --> 00:09:41,759 or somewhere in that era. And it is an interview with Jeff Parker, 114 00:09:41,799 --> 00:09:46,960 Phil Lawler, and Nathan Carlson that aired on w IBI, a radio station 115 00:09:46,039 --> 00:09:52,039 in Illinois. And it's a short interview, it's about nine minutes. And 116 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:56,320 from what I understand, the on air talent who did the interview recently posted 117 00:09:56,399 --> 00:10:01,480 the audio of that interview to YouTube, and you can go listen to that 118 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:09,320 and hear him interviewing the creators of this show. And then they transition over 119 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:15,679 and he starts interviewing the guys as their characters, and so Phil and Nathan 120 00:10:15,759 --> 00:10:18,200 get to do a whole bunch of the Jungle Jam characters. It's a lot 121 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,840 of fun. Again, it's only about nine minutes, but it was a 122 00:10:20,919 --> 00:10:24,840 really fun to hear that. So that is linked in the show notes. 123 00:10:24,879 --> 00:10:28,840 If you want to check that out, just in case you missed it. 124 00:10:28,399 --> 00:10:35,240 John Fornoff his podcast story Chat. He recently had two episodes that he released 125 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:43,159 with Phil Lawler, and the first one was all about AIO and the title 126 00:10:43,159 --> 00:10:48,120 of that episode is just Phil Lawler. And the majority of the information that 127 00:10:48,279 --> 00:10:54,200 Phil shared in that episode was stuff that I was already aware of, so 128 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,240 there wasn't a whole lot knew that I heard in that, but it was 129 00:10:56,279 --> 00:11:01,960 still cool to hear him talking about of the early days of AIO and some 130 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:09,159 of the inspiration for certain elements of the show. So it's worth a listen. 131 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:13,559 But the one that really grabbed me was the second episode that he had 132 00:11:13,639 --> 00:11:18,279 him on and it was just all about story and the title is Story Is 133 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:24,559 Everything, And it was just a really great conversation from two very experienced audio 134 00:11:24,639 --> 00:11:31,080 drama writers, all about telling good stories in this medium and just some really 135 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:35,519 great nuggets in there, so definitely worth a listen. As soon as I 136 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:39,240 finished it, I messaged John and said, man, that was great stuff. 137 00:11:39,879 --> 00:11:43,639 I'm going to have to listen to it again. And so if you 138 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:48,720 are interested at all in the craft of storytelling, you definitely want to listen 139 00:11:48,759 --> 00:11:50,519 to that. Episode, and both of them are linked in the show notes. 140 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:58,039 All Right, our last item here is a brand new episode of Witnesses. 141 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:03,320 This is the first episode, part two of the miniseries The Lamb that 142 00:12:03,639 --> 00:12:05,759 Tracy has been working on for a few years now. The title of the 143 00:12:05,799 --> 00:12:11,919 episode is The Chosen and it is focusing on Simon of Cyrene, who is 144 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:18,799 played by Sean Condi. The official blurb for this episode is Simon of Cyrene 145 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,799 longs to serve the God he loves, but while in Jerusalem for Passover, 146 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:28,399 he's horrified when he's forced to carry a condemned man's cross, unaware that he 147 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:33,720 is helping the sacrificial lamb of God. So if you want to check that 148 00:12:33,759 --> 00:12:37,720 out. As with all of the episodes of Witnesses, you can stream them 149 00:12:37,759 --> 00:12:41,240 for free at the website which is linked in the show notes. Definitely worth 150 00:12:41,279 --> 00:12:46,399 a listen. I'm just absolutely loving what Tracy is doing with the show Witnesses, 151 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:50,759 and she's given some really great talent on that show, and it's just 152 00:12:50,919 --> 00:12:54,120 some really really good stuff, So you'll want to check that out. I 153 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:58,559 have some very important information and I thought i'd be getting it into the hands 154 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:03,039 of a real reporter sir, cause I speak to you a moment. Oh 155 00:13:03,039 --> 00:13:05,080 well, there's nothing to it. I just ask you the questions and you 156 00:13:05,159 --> 00:13:11,120 answer them in the tape recorder. Here play the interview well. Craig Hart 157 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:16,159 is a writer, director, and the founder of LRT Media. He's been 158 00:13:16,159 --> 00:13:22,840 a novelist for many years, so he's no stranger to writing stories, but 159 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:28,000 he just got into the audio drama space a few years ago, so I 160 00:13:28,039 --> 00:13:31,840 am really happy to have him on the show today. So, Craig, 161 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:35,320 I've wanted to have you on for quite a while now because I wanted to 162 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:39,559 get some perspectives from a newer entrant into this industry. I mean not that 163 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:43,279 you're inexperienced in content creation, but this is sort of a new avenue for 164 00:13:43,279 --> 00:13:46,279 you over the last few years, and I thought i'd be interesting to get 165 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:52,360 some perspectives from you as someone who's doing some really great work in this industry 166 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,720 in just a few years. So thank you for coming on the show. 167 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,840 Absolutely, I have wants to be on this podcast, I bet for long 168 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:05,559 then you've wanted me on it. So I know you did an interview with 169 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:09,039 Michael la Favor on his show a couple of years ago, and you talked 170 00:14:09,039 --> 00:14:11,879 about being an Odyssey fan growing up, But what were some of the other 171 00:14:11,919 --> 00:14:16,200 shows that you listened to in the early days. A lot of old time 172 00:14:16,279 --> 00:14:22,000 radio stuff. Gun Smoke and Suspense and Escape were some of my favorites, 173 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:26,360 but really anything and from that era like Jack Benny and Phil Harris, Out's 174 00:14:26,399 --> 00:14:31,480 Face Show, Fibrugge and Molly. I grew up without access to television and 175 00:14:31,559 --> 00:14:37,679 movies and so it was books and audio for me, and so anything I 176 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,039 could get my hands on that was in that medium was all about it. 177 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,960 At the library they still had some of the stuff. I got a hold 178 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:48,879 of the old original Star Wars audio drama that I found out about the BBC, 179 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,720 and that was a whole new world because I could get into the classics 180 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:56,919 and drama audio drama format and it was amazing. So just everything I could 181 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:01,919 find. Did you have any particular favorites outside of Adventures in Odyssey? The 182 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,879 BBC stuff was great, and then of course the later on focus on the 183 00:15:05,919 --> 00:15:11,120 Family started coming out with their stuff and that was just world class. I 184 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,440 love that kind of stuff as well. Trying to think that so it was 185 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:18,679 Adventures in Odyssey, So what my family would do on Saturday morning, we'd 186 00:15:18,679 --> 00:15:22,600 all get up and my mom would make a big breakfast for everybody, and 187 00:15:22,679 --> 00:15:28,240 while she was doing that, we would listen to Ranger Bill, Adventures in 188 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:33,240 Odyssey, and there was one more in forgetting maybe Sugar Creek Gang. I 189 00:15:33,279 --> 00:15:37,480 am not for sure. It was just a whole lineup they had, and 190 00:15:37,519 --> 00:15:41,519 that was my memory of Saturday morning. I wish I could go back and 191 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:43,240 do that, just this one more time. It was just still so great, 192 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:48,639 so formative, so great, and yeah, so a ranger But I 193 00:15:48,679 --> 00:15:52,559 still listened to obviously Odyssey, but Ranger Bill. I still I found where 194 00:15:52,399 --> 00:15:56,799 just about all of them were available as a podcast, and so I still 195 00:15:56,799 --> 00:16:00,960 listened to those sometimes at night, falling asleep. So that was probably my 196 00:16:00,039 --> 00:16:03,759 other sides. Adventures in Odyssey, it was probably my other go to. 197 00:16:03,919 --> 00:16:08,000 Perhaps that third one was Children's Bible Hour, because yeah, it was, 198 00:16:08,639 --> 00:16:12,240 Yes, it was those three for me too growing up. Yes, because 199 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:17,600 Uncle Charlie that was producing Grand Rapids, Michigan and that was where I lived, 200 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:19,840 So I can't even believe I forgot that. So there was a time 201 00:16:19,879 --> 00:16:27,879 where we are church had a small school and we once went to CBH on 202 00:16:27,919 --> 00:16:30,120 a field trip, so we got to meet Uncle Charlie. He played the 203 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:34,039 piano for us, and we sang like the song and all that stuff. 204 00:16:34,159 --> 00:16:38,120 Saw the studio a really great, really great time. Can't believe I forgot 205 00:16:38,159 --> 00:16:41,960 that. Of course that's what it was. Oh, that is so cool. 206 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:45,600 I had a very similar upbringing. You know, we didn't have a 207 00:16:45,639 --> 00:16:49,799 TV and so and Saturday morning it was a ritual. It was those three 208 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:55,399 Sugar creaking was a week day, so after school every day was when we 209 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,440 that air where I was living at the time, and this was in Wisconsin, 210 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:03,079 so we're both in the Midwest areas. So yeah, and I even 211 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:07,240 got into the I think I've mentioned this on the show before, but I 212 00:17:07,279 --> 00:17:11,720 got into the doing the little I don't even know what they called them, 213 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,640 but they would mail children's Bible. Hour would mail out these little study guides 214 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,880 or questionnaires and you could fill them out and send them back in and they 215 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:23,200 would grade him, and then Uncle Charlie would autograph him and send them back 216 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,799 to you with a grade on him. And like, yeah, we had 217 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,960 the keys for kids devotionals and everything else. Such good times. It really 218 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:33,640 really was. Yeah. I remember one time I went to a friend's house 219 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:38,000 for the weekend, and I came back home to discover that my mother had 220 00:17:38,079 --> 00:17:44,599 neglected to record that week's episodes, and it was not a good time in 221 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:51,839 the hearth household for a few days. That's hilarious looking back. Of course, 222 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:52,680 I'm a parent now, I'm sure as she's like I had, I 223 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:59,240 had a meal prep and housework and other stuff to do. Right, Just 224 00:17:59,319 --> 00:18:03,079 stories are not really you know, life or death situation. But it was 225 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:08,559 to me, Yeah, oh that's great. Yeah, And I still vividly 226 00:18:08,599 --> 00:18:14,240 remember some of the plot points and even lines from Ranger Bill and stuff like 227 00:18:14,279 --> 00:18:17,880 that. So it's it was so cool just a few years ago to come 228 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,599 across those again because I had no idea that they were still around. And 229 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,480 yeah, hearing all of those again, just just a handful of years ago 230 00:18:25,559 --> 00:18:30,119 was so cool to me. Yeah, well, you know, you you 231 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:34,799 grew from that place and you now you are not just a consumer of these 232 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:37,960 these types of content, but you're you're also a writer. You're a voice 233 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,160 talent for audio books, and you've been doing that for quite a while. 234 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:45,640 You have your your own company producing that kind of content. But what made 235 00:18:45,759 --> 00:18:52,519 you make the decision to move into audio drama? So It is a bit 236 00:18:52,519 --> 00:18:56,440 of a pathway. As I look back now, I see all these things 237 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:02,039 in my past that I at the time I cansidered failures. But now as 238 00:19:02,079 --> 00:19:06,000 I look back, it was a pathway to a certain place, stepping stones, 239 00:19:06,039 --> 00:19:08,640 I guess you might say. And so back in the day, I 240 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:15,319 started this little show that I thought, you know, it was originally going 241 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:21,440 to be like writers would get together and live stream themselves playing video games and 242 00:19:21,599 --> 00:19:25,839 talking about writing. That didn't pan out, but it kind of morphed into 243 00:19:25,839 --> 00:19:30,480 where I would just interview people in the entertainment industry. Well, one day 244 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:37,039 I interviewed a woman who was a voice actor, and I'd always loved voice 245 00:19:37,079 --> 00:19:41,359 actors and listening There's Mel Blank was a hero of mine. But for some 246 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,759 reason, it never really occurred to me that one could actually do this, 247 00:19:45,799 --> 00:19:48,319 even though there were people doing it. I'm a little slow that way sometimes, 248 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,400 but talking to her made me realize that you could. And so I 249 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:57,240 got in contact with her and learned from some first steps, built a small 250 00:19:57,279 --> 00:20:03,680 booth in my basement and started doing audiobooks. Well, from there, I 251 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:08,200 started meeting other people, individuals who were involved with other things like graphic audio. 252 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:14,559 Some people who had worked on other audio dramas, and a light bulb 253 00:20:14,599 --> 00:20:17,960 turned on for me, like the stuff that I loved as a kid is 254 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,640 still being done, because for a while it seemed that it had kind of 255 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,559 died off, at least here in the US. And now we see that 256 00:20:25,599 --> 00:20:29,000 it's making something of resurgence. But back at this point, this was still 257 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,599 the kind of the beginning of what I would call the revival of audio drama 258 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,440 in the United States. And so, yeah, it just occurred to me 259 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:38,160 that I could actually do some of these things. And when I was a 260 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,279 kid, my friend and I did some little audio dramas, but they were 261 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:45,200 just silly, fun things that we would basically just quote Adventures in Odyssey to 262 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:52,039 each other on tape, essentially all that it was. So yeah, the 263 00:20:52,039 --> 00:20:56,079 pieces started coming together and I could actually make this happen. I started meeting 264 00:20:56,079 --> 00:21:00,759 more people, and people like you and Darby Kern later, and people were 265 00:21:00,799 --> 00:21:04,839 still doing the things that I used to love to do, or at least 266 00:21:04,839 --> 00:21:08,480 they still to listen to and could now do. And that's really how that 267 00:21:08,599 --> 00:21:15,839 started. Is just the stubborn, persistent pursuit of one's dreams. I guess 268 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,920 you might say in a really poetic way, but it took a lot of 269 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,519 detours and a lot of failures. At least at the time, I thought 270 00:21:23,519 --> 00:21:26,319 they were along the way to get there. But again, as I look 271 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:30,039 back now, I realized it was all stepping stones to get to a place 272 00:21:30,039 --> 00:21:33,160 and finding a community that I consider, for lack of a better term, 273 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:37,880 my people, people who have the same values as I do, interested in 274 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,920 the same things that I am interested in, and many of whom have the 275 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:47,440 same background or similar to, or at least can't understand that background that I 276 00:21:47,519 --> 00:21:53,359 had, and that is fairly rare, especially in today's world, and so 277 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,400 that is really meant a lot to me. Yeah. Yeah, Well, 278 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:02,839 we first connected back in September twenty twenty one, and you said in an 279 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:07,279 email to me at the time this was this was after a few exchanges, 280 00:22:07,319 --> 00:22:08,920 so this may have been a couple of months later, but you said that 281 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:15,839 I've loved and dabbled an audio drama for around twenty five years. Can you 282 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,680 tell us anything about those early projects where it was that what you were just 283 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,079 referring to there, or if there were others, like what did you learn 284 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:27,039 from that process or what sort of stories were you working on? And did 285 00:22:27,039 --> 00:22:32,640 you carry over anything from those experiences to what you're doing today. Yeah. 286 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,480 So there was the my friend and I when we were teens. Young teens 287 00:22:37,039 --> 00:22:38,880 would do stuff like that quote adventures and ostie back and forth to each other. 288 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,480 We did a whole quote of the entire Thanksgiving Carol, and we tried 289 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:48,839 to add in some sound effects and whatnot. And then later on I did 290 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:52,480 briefly like, oh, I could do this or that, but I knit. 291 00:22:52,599 --> 00:22:57,880 I didn't have the network, I didn't have the resources, the knowledge, 292 00:22:59,079 --> 00:23:00,440 and for a lot of time long time, did not have the time 293 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,839 to do so I had, you know, there was the gears weren't meshing, 294 00:23:07,319 --> 00:23:11,319 so any starts that I would make in pursuing it were well short lived, 295 00:23:11,799 --> 00:23:15,720 shall we say. But I never lost my interest in it, and 296 00:23:15,759 --> 00:23:22,200 I continued to listen to audio drama and enjoy them there the entire time that 297 00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:26,720 I had another friend I met when I was in my early twenties, and 298 00:23:26,759 --> 00:23:30,640 he had some of the same insu especially in voice acting, not so much 299 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,400 necessarily audio drama, but voice acting and stuff, and we did a few 300 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:41,000 little things. But again those brief efforts fell vict into the same limitations that 301 00:23:41,039 --> 00:23:44,400 I had before, and the whole thing just got really discouraging because I, 302 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,759 you know, try and try and try, nothing would happen. And I 303 00:23:47,799 --> 00:23:51,079 didn't realize that you needed all these other things, namely a community. You 304 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,960 can't do everything by yourself, and I tend to try to do that a 305 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,680 lot of times to my own detriment. I'm learning getting better at that, 306 00:23:59,759 --> 00:24:03,519 but there were some you know, some false starts along the way, and 307 00:24:03,519 --> 00:24:07,960 that's I think that's what I meant by dabbling, Like I never did produce, 308 00:24:07,039 --> 00:24:14,440 had produced a professional caliber audio drama to that point, but it always 309 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:18,480 been a fan of them since really before I can't even remember. I don't 310 00:24:18,519 --> 00:24:22,319 remember there being a time an audio drama wasn't part of it. Like I 311 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,759 was still surprised when I meet people who don't know what it is, because 312 00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:32,119 I've never not known audio drama is. It's just it's like again for me, 313 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:37,039 it's like not knowing movies, you know. But I just am happy 314 00:24:37,079 --> 00:24:42,000 to be a part of a community that in my view anyway, is expanding 315 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:47,759 and growing and getting new life and new energy behind it. Oh for sure, 316 00:24:47,839 --> 00:24:52,160 Yeah, absolutely, And you know, having that experience of working with 317 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:56,519 audio already as an audiobook producer and as a voice telling yourself. Those skills 318 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:02,720 transfer over pretty well into audio drama production, and so I think you had 319 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:04,720 a little bit of a leg up. I mean you put in the work, 320 00:25:04,759 --> 00:25:07,880 obviously, but you had a little bit of a leg up on somebody 321 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,319 who's approaching audio drama for the very first time and really doesn't know where to 322 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:18,680 start. You already had some of those skills needed, and after you and 323 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,319 I connected, then then you get connected with Darby Kerrent, and then just 324 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,920 a short time after that, here you are producing a script that he wrote, 325 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:30,359 the Titanic Wave. Tell us about how that happened. Yeah, well, 326 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,599 you are definitely right about skills transferring over because I remember when I started 327 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:40,319 approaching people about producing a more professional level audio drama, and so they wanted 328 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,960 to know my producing background. It's like, I don't really have anything, 329 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:49,119 like oh okay, well a nice talking to you. And then when I 330 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,119 started getting into it and we did turn out something that, you know, 331 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:57,440 I consider a pretty good production in terms of Titanic Wave. I think that's 332 00:25:57,519 --> 00:26:02,480 kind of surprised people. But I did not start from ground zero there, 333 00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:04,319 so I need that. I think it's fair to put that out there. 334 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,200 So, yeah, when I decided to, I had some more time and 335 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,920 more resources to try to do this. Contact I believe JD. It's like, 336 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:18,960 I'm looking for somebody, a writer who could maybe turn produce a script, 337 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,599 and he I think you gave me two different names. I don't remember 338 00:26:22,599 --> 00:26:26,799 the other name, but I just chose and I didn't know either of them. 339 00:26:26,839 --> 00:26:30,759 So I just chose a person with what I thought was the coolest name. 340 00:26:32,519 --> 00:26:36,480 That was my scientific approach because I didn't know any you know, anybody 341 00:26:36,599 --> 00:26:42,519 or anything about it. So contacted Darby and he uh and we talked to 342 00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:45,720 exchange a couple of emails to say, well, you know, I could 343 00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:47,559 do this or that, and he's like, I know. I also have 344 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,200 the script that I've been wanting to get produced for a I don't remember how 345 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,400 long years, and it's about the Titanic, and I've always been interested in 346 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,039 the Titanics. It's like, yes, and it to me. So we 347 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,240 made a deal on that to get the rights to produce a script and he 348 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:07,440 would direct it. And we took advantage a lot of his connections to get 349 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,680 people to acting because he and I knew nobody. So he assembled the cast. 350 00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:15,039 For the most part. I think there was two people I think I 351 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,359 brought to the cast, but otherwise it was all as all him and we 352 00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:26,359 just did it. And I think that jumping into it like I did with 353 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,160 really no knowledge of really what I was doing in terms of on the production 354 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,599 side of an audio drama is kind of indicative of stuff that I have done. 355 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,920 A lot of things that I have I don't know i'd say accomplished, 356 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:44,039 but done. I should say that's been. How I've done it is just 357 00:27:44,559 --> 00:27:48,240 commit to it, and then you have to follow through. You can't. 358 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,279 You can't get scared and quit because there're too many people are relying on you 359 00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:55,640 and whatnot. So I mean I do that. We like if I'm releasing 360 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:56,720 a book, A lot of times I'll put it out for pre order before 361 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,680 it's even written, so I have to not get so I now I have 362 00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:03,279 to get it done, you know, so backing myself into a corner to 363 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,720 do it. And so I contacted all these people and made these commitments, 364 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,079 and now I have to produce this audio drama and it needs to be as 365 00:28:10,079 --> 00:28:12,599 good as I can make it at this point. So they're not you know, 366 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:17,200 because now it's kind of a setting the bar for going forward, and 367 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,640 so that was kind of the strategy. They're just jumping into the pool on 368 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:26,119 the deep end and trying to make it happen and you know, leave it 369 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:27,839 up everybody else to the side. How well, how well that worked. 370 00:28:27,839 --> 00:28:30,240 But I had a lot of fun doing it, and we did it in 371 00:28:30,319 --> 00:28:34,839 record time, at least faster, faster than I than most people I think 372 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,880 expected when they said we want to get it done this year, like, 373 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,480 that's probably not going to happen. But we did, so I'm pretty happy 374 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,119 about that. It was a lot of fun. Yeah. I was blown 375 00:28:45,119 --> 00:28:48,000 away at the speed it at which you guys completed it. I mean, 376 00:28:48,319 --> 00:28:52,079 yeah, it was so quick. And I was curious, though, like 377 00:28:52,359 --> 00:28:56,400 what drew you to that story and made you want to go ahead and produce 378 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,680 that, because I know that initially you were looking at doing some classic lit 379 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,599 adaptations at the time. Well, for one thing, it was an original 380 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:10,079 script or an original story. I mean, I think I think maybe you 381 00:29:10,119 --> 00:29:11,359 and I've talked a bit about this, or you've talked about it on a 382 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,319 podcast. I'm not sure. So I don't want to put words in your 383 00:29:14,319 --> 00:29:18,119 mouth if that's not the case. But a lot of the classic stuff, 384 00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:21,839 at least the main stuff that I know and I'm familiar with, has already 385 00:29:21,839 --> 00:29:26,400 been done and been done by, say the BBC, who in most cases 386 00:29:26,119 --> 00:29:30,200 would do it better than I could have at that point. And so for 387 00:29:30,279 --> 00:29:34,319 my first production, once I got to talking with Darby, I decided that 388 00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:40,279 I don't want to start off producing something that's going to be measured by greatness. 389 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,279 So this was an original because I didn't I was committed to doing it, 390 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,000 but I didn't know how good it would be because I didn't have a 391 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,000 measure of my own skill because I had never done it. And so I 392 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,079 wanted to get something original to where it could at least be judged on its 393 00:29:53,599 --> 00:29:57,599 own merits, whatever they may end up being, and not compared with something 394 00:29:57,599 --> 00:30:02,160 else that had already been done. And a lot of these the classic stuff 395 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,079 that I love most and that would have wanted to do, have not been 396 00:30:04,119 --> 00:30:07,519 done just once, but several times. And so at some point, and 397 00:30:07,559 --> 00:30:10,960 I don't know what that point is, but at some point do we really 398 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,000 need another one? So that was with the two main reasons I think that 399 00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:18,240 I ended up going that route. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense, 400 00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:22,799 And we have talked about that before and the threads in the audio drama Alliance, 401 00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:26,640 because I definitely have opinions on that whole topic, and so yeah, 402 00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:32,279 I think that was a smart move and it makes total sense. So here's 403 00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:36,319 another thing that I've been wondering about though. For you, growing up as 404 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:41,400 an Odyssey fan, you've heard the name John Campbell probably innumerable times over the 405 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,960 years. What was that like to get him involved in a production that you 406 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:52,720 were producing? Terrifying, exhilarating, And yeah, I remember I sent him 407 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,880 an email. Did not really think you would right back, by the way, 408 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,240 I didn't you know this John Campbell. It was sort of a mythical 409 00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:03,400 name for me, you know, having heard it every week, you know, 410 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:08,480 throughout my childhood, you know. And so I emailed and then I 411 00:31:08,519 --> 00:31:12,000 think my phone number was in the email obviously, because he suddenly called and 412 00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:15,880 I looked down. I was getting a call from California, and like, 413 00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:21,880 I didn't know, he's gonna call me. No, I communicate best when 414 00:31:22,039 --> 00:31:26,279 nobody can see her here. So anyway, you got an answer. So 415 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:27,640 I picked up and he was he was a nice guy. I was like, 416 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,319 no, mister Campbell, this is point, like, you know, 417 00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:33,160 this is a real honor to speak with you. And he just sort of 418 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:34,319 laughed. He's like, you know, I'm just a guy, That's what 419 00:31:34,359 --> 00:31:37,799 he said. It's like, I'm just a guy. So I kind of 420 00:31:38,119 --> 00:31:41,680 put it all all at ease and U and yeah, great to work with. 421 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:48,920 The consummate professional. And I teared up multiple times when I was putting 422 00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:56,160 his music into the mix because there were several times where he just nailed it. 423 00:31:56,119 --> 00:31:59,839 Yeah, And you know, I just couldn't. I couldn't believe it, 424 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:04,440 Like sitting there producing had Adobe audition up and putting John Campbell's and music 425 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,119 into my mix was pretty crazy, very exciting though. And again can't say 426 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,640 enough about how great it is to work with him. He just there's no 427 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,240 drama outside of the drama, and that's great for me because I don't like 428 00:32:15,359 --> 00:32:20,400 drama outside of the drama. Keep it in the story where it belongs and 429 00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:23,759 knows what he's doing, is easy to work with and got it done, 430 00:32:23,759 --> 00:32:27,279 and he was a great He was a big part of why it did get 431 00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:30,039 done because he worked so efficiently and well and did I just and I didn't 432 00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:32,319 know. He's like, you send me your cues and like I don't know 433 00:32:32,359 --> 00:32:37,920 what a que is. I don't know to send you. I was like, 434 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:44,440 sir, I have utmost just confidence in your ability, just you know, 435 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:46,599 do what you want to do. And so he worked on him, 436 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:51,920 mostly without a lot of cues. He just he did it himself and did 437 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,799 a great job. So he was he was kind and gentle and guided me 438 00:32:55,839 --> 00:33:01,400 through the process. It's cool. I like that. I'm going to steal 439 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:06,160 that. Keep the drama in the drama. We don't need an outside. 440 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:12,400 Yeah, that's great, that's great. Well, you did move from you 441 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:19,079 know, the original stuff in your next projects were actual classical literature and very 442 00:33:19,079 --> 00:33:23,599 well known ones. So you jumped into the world of Sherlock Holmes and I 443 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:31,559 know Sherlockeans have very specific feelings about adaptations of their favorite characters. So you 444 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:36,079 started with a royal scandal, you have the Speckled Band, and now you're 445 00:33:36,079 --> 00:33:39,200 working on the third installment, the Lost Legacy of Tilly Whim, which I 446 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:45,079 am super excited about. Did you have any fears or qualms about adapting such 447 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,920 a beloved classic and what made you get over them? Well, the big 448 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,960 thing was that I now was confident I could produce an audio drama that somebody 449 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,759 would actually want to listen to. I'm not saying it's a world class, 450 00:33:55,799 --> 00:34:00,279 but I'm saying that it's listenable. People aren't going to turn green around the 451 00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:04,960 gills when they turn it on, hopefully, And once I get to that 452 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,960 point, once I reach that level of confidence, I can't say I don't 453 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,239 care what people think, because that's not true. I don't think, for 454 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,559 really anybody else you're a psychopath. But I do not let what other people 455 00:34:16,559 --> 00:34:22,920 think affect my actions necessarily because and that's a difference. There's a difference there 456 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:28,760 and Sherlock call THEMS. It's something I've loved, and I also think that 457 00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:34,920 there are some places where, you know, we could learn more about Sherlock 458 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,920 Holmes with the series that I'm doing. And it is a series. We're 459 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,280 producing them in you know, standalone stories, so you wouldn't necessarily know that 460 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,760 it's a series. But by the time I'm done producing a certain number of 461 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:51,400 episodes, if you listen to them from beginning to the end of the episodes, 462 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,599 you will see a story arc there. There will be some character changes 463 00:34:55,000 --> 00:35:00,400 there, and you know, I am making some small alteration to even some 464 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,280 of the original stories which I know some people are going to hate, but 465 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:07,880 that's that's just the way it is. It's mine, Okay, So yeah, 466 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,440 I don't say I don't. I don't care to the point where I 467 00:35:10,519 --> 00:35:15,039 disregard other people's opinions. But this is I'm comfortable saying, this is what 468 00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:19,880 I want to do, and I do think that by the end there will 469 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,119 be an audience for it. Sure there'll be some purists who will complain, 470 00:35:22,199 --> 00:35:28,159 for example, that I change the name of a Scandalembohemia to a Royal Scandal. 471 00:35:28,519 --> 00:35:30,239 I just think, I'm sorry. I think it's a better title. 472 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:31,719 There's a name of a character, of a villain I change, I think, 473 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:36,119 and is it that one or the next one? I forget now because 474 00:35:36,159 --> 00:35:37,159 I thought the name was dumb. I know, you change the character. 475 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:43,119 I think that's probably before, Yeah, because I just didn't like the name. 476 00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:47,119 So there are some small things I'm changing. I think probably I am 477 00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:53,880 producing these dramas will be more enjoyed by the side of the Sherlock holmesy and 478 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:59,719 fan base that enjoys maybe the Basil Rathbone type stuff that they did a lot 479 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:04,599 of different things there, and a lot of purists hate that I love Basil 480 00:36:04,679 --> 00:36:08,800 Rathul Nigel Bruce, but I'm trying to kind of go between not quite as 481 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:13,159 silly as like when I talked to the guy who plays Watson by the way, 482 00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:16,519 it's like a flavor of Nigel Bruce, but not quite as buff of 483 00:36:16,559 --> 00:36:21,360 a buffoon as he was. Kind of pulled it aback a little bit. 484 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,480 So I'm trying to go in between like the absolute serious side and having some 485 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,760 little bit of humor in it now and then as well to put some leaven 486 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:34,079 in there. But yeah, I'm comfortable with them, and I think that 487 00:36:34,119 --> 00:36:37,199 the an audience exists. And I you know, I've been writing for a 488 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:42,559 long time and have received thousands of reviews, and of course inevitably some of 489 00:36:42,599 --> 00:36:45,320 those are going to be negative. So I'm not a stranger to criticism and 490 00:36:45,679 --> 00:36:50,960 harsh feedback at all, and that's it hasn't yet stopped me from doing what 491 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,599 I want to do, and I don't anticipated doing it in this case either. 492 00:36:53,159 --> 00:36:55,719 Yeah. Well, and I think you did something really smart. And 493 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,639 then we've talked about this before too, is you started off with some of 494 00:36:59,639 --> 00:37:05,079 the original stories that people are already familiar with, and you tweaked them a 495 00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:09,079 little bit, but essentially they are what Conan Doyle wrote. And then you're 496 00:37:09,079 --> 00:37:14,840 moving into originals. But you did some foreshadowing in the first couple of releases 497 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,119 that kind of build up to this arc that you want to tell in your 498 00:37:17,159 --> 00:37:22,559 originals, and I thought that would just a genius approach. Why did you 499 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:28,039 choose that approach rather than just starting with an original? How did you arrive 500 00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:34,719 at that? Well, there is a there's a failing of some of these 501 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:43,639 old literature pieces we have that sometimes the character isn't deep enough. And you'll 502 00:37:43,639 --> 00:37:46,920 far be it from me to criticize, you know, writers like Conan Doyle 503 00:37:47,039 --> 00:37:51,199 and and whatnot. That's that's not what I'm trying to do at this thing, 504 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,920 And partly was a different style at the time. But I'm interested as 505 00:37:54,960 --> 00:38:00,440 a writer and now as a producer and also producer writer, I am a 506 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:07,039 lot of really interested in character. I think character is the key to the 507 00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:12,679 story. I used to think plot was until I realized that nobody cares what 508 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,239 has happening in the in the plot and until they care to whom it is 509 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:20,880 happening, And that's character. And for me, if you're going to if 510 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,679 I was going to produce something so well known as Sherlock Holmes. I wanted 511 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:29,800 to do it a little differently, but not completely wacky like you've seen Sherlock 512 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,559 Colmes is now a vampire or Sherlock Colmes as of this and that. I 513 00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:35,360 mean, that's not the kind of different I wanted. I want to go 514 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,079 different. I wanted to do not better per se, but you know, 515 00:38:38,159 --> 00:38:43,320 deeper. I want to understand more about this. I want to see we've 516 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:51,360 got Sherlock Colmes who is on the outside coldly calculating character, but we know 517 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,320 that he isn't entirely, but we don't really see that so much in the 518 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,760 original stories. I want to see that a little I'm not going to turn 519 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:02,679 him into you know, an emotional but humanize him a little bit and have 520 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:08,199 that relationship between him and Watson be a little bit more dynamic. So that 521 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,840 that's what I want to do. So not saying that the stories. I'm 522 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,320 doing this because the stories could be told better, but I think they could 523 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,320 be told differently in a deeper way, if that makes sense. Yeah, 524 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,000 yeah, I like that. Yeah, that just makes me more excited for 525 00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:25,519 this new one. I can you share anything about when that might be coming 526 00:39:25,679 --> 00:39:30,840 or I want to have it done this year. I can't guarantee it. 527 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,639 If it is not done, then I think it should be done early next 528 00:39:34,679 --> 00:39:37,519 year. But I want to have it done this year. It's sixty percent 529 00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:40,480 written, and the only reason it's sitting stuck at sixty percent is because I've 530 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:45,320 been so busy with the other project that we're working on. But once I 531 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,239 get through that and get started back on, I don't think it'll take that 532 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:52,239 long to do. That's so exciting. Yeah, I mean, speaking of 533 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,440 other projects, I mean, you get you've started cranking out all of these 534 00:39:55,519 --> 00:40:00,639 different things, and you have, you know, the the classic tales here 535 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:06,199 of homes, and then you moved into a kid's show with Chapel and Squeak, 536 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,280 which is another one that absolutely loved. If the listener hasn't heard that 537 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,599 one yet, you definitely need to go look it up. There's a link 538 00:40:12,639 --> 00:40:15,000 in the show notes. Go listen to that. We got the first episode 539 00:40:15,039 --> 00:40:21,639 out already and it's just delightful, and all I have to say about that 540 00:40:21,679 --> 00:40:28,320 one is more pleased. Yeah, that one. That's should be a three 541 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,840 story arc, the Great Church Robbery, So two more coming in that arc 542 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:37,199 at least that's another thing I would love to have done this year. I 543 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,519 don't know for sure, if not early next. So I'm at the point 544 00:40:40,639 --> 00:40:45,400 I want to get stuff done. It's chop chop Craig time. So yeah, 545 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:50,119 I want to move And here you are just talking to me instead of 546 00:40:50,639 --> 00:40:53,559 actually writing. I mean, I should just let you go now. I've 547 00:40:53,559 --> 00:40:59,559 already been doing that. Today we had two recording sessions and did some audio 548 00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:04,039 work and some take files of trying to clean those up so we can choose 549 00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:07,280 the takes. And it's been a full day, so I'm ready to take 550 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,199 a break and talk to you. So those are the ones that you've had 551 00:41:10,679 --> 00:41:15,440 that have been released out into the wild. So far am I missing one? 552 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:20,719 I think that's it right in terms of what's coming out from LRT two, 553 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:25,400 Sherlock Holmes Tatanic Wave and Chapelain's Squeak. I think so speaking of LRT, 554 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:32,360 originally you were Legacy Radio Theater and then you switched over to LRTEM Media. 555 00:41:32,519 --> 00:41:37,440 Was that what was the thought process behind that? Partly it was, 556 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:44,679 well, so I still have Legacy Radio Theater and I think so your audience 557 00:41:44,679 --> 00:41:47,480 can't see this, but there's like a tree and LRT Media as a top 558 00:41:47,679 --> 00:41:52,599 comes down the Legacy Radio Theater and then other podcasts. So Legacy Radio Theater 559 00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:57,320 is now kind of the podcast for long form drama like the Titanic Wave, 560 00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,599 and we only have one of those, got it? And then they have 561 00:41:59,679 --> 00:42:04,199 other podcasts and I want to do like the Chapel and Squeak and Heritage and 562 00:42:04,679 --> 00:42:09,559 etcetera, etcetera. So LERG Media is the umbrella under which everything else abides, 563 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:15,679 and I do it do it that way mostly for marketing purposes, because 564 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,800 I got I got to the point where it's like, oh, I've Legacy 565 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,840 Radio Theater and then I have this, and I have this and this, 566 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,920 and so I felt like I was just promoting a lot of different things where 567 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,800 I just I want everything, wanted everything under one roof. Plus I have 568 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:31,239 other bigger plans for LRT that will hopefully include other things than simply audio dramas 569 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:36,079 that you can listen to, resources and whatnot. Okay, got it? 570 00:42:36,639 --> 00:42:38,519 Yeah. I don't know why I never asked you that just directly before, 571 00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:40,760 but it just popped in my head, so I thought he might as well 572 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:47,320 ask now, Yeah, so you mentioned heritage, so you have an American 573 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:53,000 history program in the works. You've got the Arthurian Legends, pen Dragon. 574 00:42:54,760 --> 00:43:00,440 I think I saw something mentioned of a show called The Deceiver. I have 575 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,360 no idea what those are about. Are those all still on the roadmap or 576 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,599 I guess where? Where? Where are those projects at? So heritage I 577 00:43:07,639 --> 00:43:13,719 have the first script for is a story of or a story about Molly Pitcher, 578 00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:17,119 So that's on deck. I don't have a date for that one, 579 00:43:17,199 --> 00:43:22,960 but yeah, the script is done, and they'll be shorter episodes. And 580 00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:32,360 that is my reaction to the whole let's destroy our heroes movement. I am 581 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,960 not here to say that our heroes are perfect, but I also see value 582 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:42,800 in maintaining some respect for the for them and our heritage. Hence the title. 583 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,719 So that in nutshell is that pin Dragon. The first season is almost 584 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:52,639 written and it is very good. Darby Curne is writing this. So tentatively 585 00:43:53,360 --> 00:44:00,559 our plan is to produce episode one as a pilot and possibly take that to 586 00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:06,280 places like Audible and see if they would be interested in purchasing this. If 587 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,360 they don't, then you know, we'll explore other options. That's the general 588 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:15,360 idea. Because it's a weighty thing. It would take a lot to produce 589 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:22,199 this that kind of that project. The Deceiver is really early on in the 590 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,320 stages. It's something I would still like to do, but it's sort of 591 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:34,199 my concept for it is a combination of some of the scarier Father Gilbert tales 592 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:39,960 and Frank Peretti combined. Oh okay, spiritual warfare. Who I'm totally intrigued 593 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:44,880 by that. That sounds amazing. I mean, and that's the other thing 594 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:51,039 too. You you have great skills with the with the promotional graphics that you 595 00:44:51,079 --> 00:44:53,400 put out and the graphic for that one. It was very small in the 596 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:58,400 in the overall artwork that you put out, but what I could see of 597 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,039 it, it looked it would just it just pulled me right in. I'm 598 00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:02,679 like, oh my goodness, I gotta know what this is. Yeah, 599 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:09,280 so frightening, scary chills, kind of like the Father you want to say, 600 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:14,000 Father Brown with Chester sent Father Gilbert. The episode I think is the 601 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,679 Gray Lady, we're here, the knife that always gave me chills. That's 602 00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:21,199 the kind of thing I would like to go for at some point with The 603 00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,639 Deceiver. So yeah, I as symbol a team for that, that would 604 00:45:23,679 --> 00:45:28,400 be great. So all these things are still on board. I haven't abandoned 605 00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,480 any of them. It's just a matter of what to do first. Yeah, 606 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:36,760 so many irons in the fire. Oh goodness. Well, okay, 607 00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,199 So one of the main reasons why I wanted to have you on at this 608 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:44,559 time is because you have put together a team and you guys are cranking away 609 00:45:44,599 --> 00:45:49,599 at a series on the character of Robin Hood and I'm super super excited about 610 00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:52,239 that. There's there's a lot of progress you guys have made already on this 611 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,239 one. But before we get to that, because you're going to give us 612 00:45:55,320 --> 00:46:00,719 an exclusive, you haven't even announced yet who all was in involved in this 613 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,239 one, So we're gonna get to that in a couple of minutes. But 614 00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:07,679 I wanted to ask you real quickly because you have been putting out these writing 615 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:12,239 tips for a little while now as a podcast, and I think you also 616 00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,559 post a video versions on YouTube and I've been listening to those and man, 617 00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:19,599 they're so great. They're just a little bite size, you know, chunks 618 00:46:19,639 --> 00:46:22,800 of writing information, and I wanted to see if I could put you on 619 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,960 the spot and have you just toss out It doesn't have to be something that 620 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:30,639 you've already covered, but you know, two quick tips for the writers in 621 00:46:30,679 --> 00:46:35,800 the audience. Two quick tips. Number one, pay as much attention to 622 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,320 your bad guy as you the good guy. The protagonist is really only as 623 00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:44,960 good as your antagonist. In fact, sometimes it's good to have the antagonists 624 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:49,679 be a little stronger than the protagonist because that's you get a little drama there, 625 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,960 because the audience like, how is he going or is she going to 626 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:57,159 do this? It looks impossible David and Goliath, you know. And the 627 00:46:57,159 --> 00:47:00,880 other thing is is something I mentioned earlier. Pay attention and two character. 628 00:47:00,119 --> 00:47:05,559 We need to know who these people are. Nobody is going to care what 629 00:47:05,679 --> 00:47:09,159 is happening until they care about the person to whom this stuff is happening. 630 00:47:10,039 --> 00:47:15,519 Get to know these people. Spend some time write a dossier of of your 631 00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:20,440 main character, and you know, put down everything you can think of. 632 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,719 Get to know them so well that they are like a friend to you. 633 00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,480 You may not use a lot of this stuff, but the better you know 634 00:47:27,559 --> 00:47:30,079 your character, the easier it's going to be to write about that. A 635 00:47:30,119 --> 00:47:32,280 lot of people say I have writer's block. I don't know where to go. 636 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:37,440 And one common reason, not the only reason, but a common reason 637 00:47:37,559 --> 00:47:40,280 for what people call writer's block is they don't know their character well enough, 638 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:44,039 and so they don't know what should happen to them, and they don't know 639 00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:46,960 how they would react in any given circumstance. So that would be two things. 640 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:52,519 Pay attention to your antagonist and get to know your characters. If you 641 00:47:52,559 --> 00:47:54,920 want more amazing stuff like that, check out the link in the show notes. 642 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:59,519 Because this was entirely off the top of the head. I gave him 643 00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:02,199 no more whatsoever, and that was all in real time. That is not 644 00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:06,920 edited. He came up with that immediately. So this guy knows whereof he 645 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:14,159 speaks. Oh goodness, yeah, that that is so true, because I've 646 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:16,079 yeah, I've played around with some of those. You know, you can 647 00:48:16,119 --> 00:48:21,599 find these writing tools online where they'll give you a form or you write down 648 00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:23,800 all this stuff about your character and even stuff that you're like, what why 649 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,239 should I care what their favorite food is? Or you know, just all 650 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,400 these random little things. But as you said, the more you understand about 651 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:36,159 them, that fact doesn't have to show up. That's yeah, you don't 652 00:48:36,159 --> 00:48:39,840 have to use all of that. It's just it helps because you understand all 653 00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:45,360 of these things about them, and then that helps you understand how they're going 654 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:50,920 to respond, not just even the antagonists, but to the any situation that 655 00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,000 they come across, even if it's an interaction in a very mundane, you 656 00:48:54,039 --> 00:48:57,760 know, every day sort of setting in the scene. All of that stuff 657 00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,519 matters, The details matter, they do. The same goes for setting. 658 00:49:01,079 --> 00:49:04,960 Well, first of all, setting can itself be a character at times, 659 00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,320 but getting doing research on your setting, getting to know the setting, like 660 00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:13,800 if you haven't been there personally or lived there, do enough research on that 661 00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,119 location to where you know what it is, what it feels like, what 662 00:49:17,199 --> 00:49:22,800 it smells like, what it sounds like, and use those senses in the 663 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,199 writing. And again, you're not going to use most of what you do 664 00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:31,679 and what you glean in your research process, but the more you know about 665 00:49:31,679 --> 00:49:37,960 it, the more your reader will believe you as you're writing. And even 666 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,960 in fiction, of course, it's if your reader doesn't believe you, they're 667 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,400 not going to follow you through the story. They're I'm not going to suspend 668 00:49:45,639 --> 00:49:49,679 that disbelief long enough to enjoy your story. So they have to believe that 669 00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,119 you know what you're talking about. Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, The 670 00:49:52,199 --> 00:49:59,239 research is so vital. I've been working on I don't know if I'll ever 671 00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,119 finished this. I get too many speaking of too many irons in the fire. 672 00:50:01,199 --> 00:50:06,320 But I've been working on a novel for a few years and there's this 673 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:10,400 one particular scene. It's set in a particular city, and there's one scene 674 00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:17,239 where the character visits a bank. So I'm actually on Google street View walking 675 00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:23,639 down the streets of this town and looking at the adjacent businesses and the way 676 00:50:23,679 --> 00:50:28,519 that looks, and the front of the bank, and oh, there's a 677 00:50:28,519 --> 00:50:32,800 parking lot behind the bank. And I'm noting all of this stuff because yes, 678 00:50:34,159 --> 00:50:37,440 maybe I went a little bit overboard, but I just felt like it 679 00:50:37,559 --> 00:50:42,440 made sense. I even looked up the demographic information for that city because I 680 00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,639 wanted to use a specific race of character in this scene, and I wanted 681 00:50:45,679 --> 00:50:47,880 to see does that even make sense in the real world with you know, 682 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,679 And so I think that stuff is so so vital. Oh, Google street 683 00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:57,400 View and the Internet is just well, yeah, because you can do as 684 00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,199 you describe. If your character goes to a certain restaurant in a foreign country, 685 00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:04,639 you can find that restaurant and look at their menu and find that they're 686 00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:07,199 eating something they actually serve. I mean, it's just it's just incredible what 687 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:12,239 you can do. So yeah, you were absolutely correct. Yeah. Okay, 688 00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,840 one final thing before we move on to Robin Hood. So you announced 689 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:20,719 just a little bit ago another project, Drama Escapes. Can you tell us 690 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,440 what that is? Are these audio dramas? Are these fullcast audio books? 691 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:30,960 Where does this fit into the LRT media Craighart world? So it's definitely separate 692 00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:37,199 from from Lart Drama Escapes. As a partnership, I'm in with another narrator, 693 00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,880 Stephanie Emmett Parker, who's been in some lergy dramas by the way, 694 00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:45,599 but this is a different company with her that will be fullcast audio books. 695 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:50,800 So it's essentially the entire book is being read as an audiobook, just by 696 00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,960 different people with music and sound effects including very similar to graphic audio, trying 697 00:51:55,039 --> 00:52:00,920 very much exactly the same as graphic audio. And one reason, well two 698 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:06,079 reasons I wanted to separate the two Drama Escapes and LRT is first of all, 699 00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:08,239 these will not be true audio dramas. I don't I don't consider what 700 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:13,840 graphic audio does to be true audio drama. That's not not a criticism, 701 00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,400 it's just a different thing. And the second thing is is because I don't 702 00:52:16,639 --> 00:52:21,000 will not have full control over it, and will be taking in clients. 703 00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,199 I will not necessarily be able to guarantee that everything that's produced by Drama Scapes 704 00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:30,559 will be family friendly, and I do want to keep LRT media family friendly 705 00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,280 in the sense of certain aspects of it. Now, if we do a 706 00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,840 lot of things like Deceiver, it'll certainly be scary and may not be appropriate 707 00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:42,320 for all ages, but it will be largely family friendly, dependent on how 708 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,239 parents feel about their kids. Listen to that, I think you know what 709 00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,480 I mean. Yeah, And again, I won't be able to guarantee that 710 00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:52,039 with Drama Scapes because I don't entirely own it. So there's that one, 711 00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,880 got it all right? Well let's go. Let's get to the main topic, 712 00:52:57,039 --> 00:53:00,840 Robin Hood. So originally you had announced it was called Honor among Thieves. 713 00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:05,719 Now I'm seeing the title rising to Honor. Is there a change or 714 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,719 is that an episode title or what is that's a change? Because Dungeons Dungeons 715 00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:15,400 and Dragons movie took it. Okay, Okay, I think Honor a month 716 00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,079 the Thieves was like the subtitle of the movie or something like that. And 717 00:53:19,159 --> 00:53:21,920 Jonathan Cook was like, oh, so we're just like, you know what, 718 00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,159 we're just going to change it. And I actually like what we came 719 00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:29,199 up with later anyway, because it fits more the the arc of the story 720 00:53:29,559 --> 00:53:31,920 and what we're trying to do. So that's the reason for the name change. 721 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:37,559 Got it Okay, Well, so you mentioned Jonathan. So you're partnering 722 00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:42,039 with Eternal Future Productions Alicia Hanson and Jonathan Cook on this, and they're writing 723 00:53:42,079 --> 00:53:45,239 and directing, and and you're writing as well. I'm assuming I know you 724 00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:50,039 guys are having writing writers meetings regularly these days. We are all writing, 725 00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:54,519 directing and producing together. Yes, it's been quite interesting and fun, and 726 00:53:54,800 --> 00:54:00,800 I cannot say enough good about how easy it is to work with and Jonathan. 727 00:54:01,079 --> 00:54:06,440 An arrangement like that could be a nightmare, but in this case, 728 00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:07,920 it has not been a nightmare and it has been a pleasure and a joy 729 00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,840 to do. So I just wanted to say that right right off the bat. 730 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:16,199 So we're all sharing in the three main tasks they're the righting, directing, 731 00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:20,840 and producing, and it's it's been going really well. I could not 732 00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,639 be happier. And John Campbell's coming back to do the music right Yes, 733 00:54:24,039 --> 00:54:28,440 yep, I emailed him. I was like, it's me the guy who 734 00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,760 doesn't know what he's doing, and of course, very gracious is like, 735 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:36,760 I'm in so very happy to have him back on more very excited. So 736 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,079 you're you're working on a full season of this show and you said that you're 737 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,199 you posted a while back you said, I think we've kept the core story 738 00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:49,559 but also made a couple of interesting changes as well as delved deeper into the 739 00:54:49,639 --> 00:54:52,880 characters. There are some good lines, sharp zingers, and just enough humor 740 00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:58,719 to help ease the heartbreak. Can you spill anything about what that's alluding to 741 00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,679 or can you a little so I can't say what the heartbreak is, but 742 00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:07,920 have your tissues handy. One of the changes, and this is the one 743 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,920 change that I will say, and I don't think it's a huge spoiler, 744 00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,719 because you find out very early on, like the first episode, and that 745 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:22,920 is that Robin is also the sheriff what and so we see that's part of 746 00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:29,280 the arc that we see he is in a situation now where so Robin, 747 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:34,559 Prince John and Marion have known each other for years, grew up together essentially, 748 00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:39,400 but now they are at this crossroads where Richard is gone, the stabilizing 749 00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:44,360 force in the kingdom. He's offered to fight the crusades. Prince John is 750 00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:50,519 in charge and is falling prey to the darkness. And so he's going one 751 00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:53,519 way and Marian has gone another way, and Robin finds himself in the middle. 752 00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:58,119 Wow. And so that's the central part of the store that we are 753 00:55:58,199 --> 00:56:01,559 exploring here in season one, Like what is Robin going to do? There 754 00:56:01,679 --> 00:56:07,280 is a central issue that he faces where he has to make a decision. 755 00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,559 And again, a lot of the season is what are you going to do 756 00:56:10,599 --> 00:56:16,320 about this? Are you going to go against Prince John, who is your 757 00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:21,960 longtime friend, your boss has the power to have you put to death? 758 00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:30,000 Or are you going to strike out in faith essentially and embrace the light that 759 00:56:30,119 --> 00:56:34,400 Marian is presenting to you. And so that that's the core of the story 760 00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,320 there, and I want to talk about getting deeper in character. It's partly 761 00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,559 that, but also again as who are these people like? In the old 762 00:56:40,599 --> 00:56:44,760 stories of robin Hood and even most of the audio dramas I've heard that have 763 00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:47,239 been done about robin Hood, they don't really talk about that. We get 764 00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:52,320 maybe a little bit of how Robin came to be an outlaw, but we 765 00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:57,199 don't really understand the characters. Prince John, we don't really understand. We 766 00:56:57,199 --> 00:57:01,159 just know that he's bad. But why easy bad? You know? So 767 00:57:01,199 --> 00:57:07,480 there's just there's more conflict that decisions are more difficult, and even with Prince 768 00:57:07,559 --> 00:57:12,159 John, we're trying to present a picture of that he could go either way. 769 00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,559 He could choose the light or he could choose the dark. Which way 770 00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:19,119 is he going? And we kind of we know which way is ultimately going 771 00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:22,159 to going to go, But he has that choice, as we all do 772 00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:27,239 in life. We have a choice. It's not predetermined whether we're going to 773 00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,920 be good or bad for you know, I know that's simplifying things, but 774 00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:35,880 I think you know what I mean. We all have that personal choice and 775 00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,119 we wanted to give that to John as well, and again Robin who does 776 00:57:38,119 --> 00:57:43,760 them in conflict? But you see all these things swirling around him in the 777 00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:49,280 court. We have a scheming treasurer and a steward. We have well I 778 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:53,079 can't say anymore, but a few or their characters and that we're playing against 779 00:57:53,159 --> 00:57:57,320 each other and their actions depend on somebody else, and they all have their 780 00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,280 own agendas. It's it's really fun and there's humor in it as well, 781 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:04,800 so we don't take everything too seriously. But I gotta tell you that in 782 00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,119 our sessions when we were writing this, and we met every Friday throughout the 783 00:58:08,159 --> 00:58:14,159 writing process and hammered out a few pages, hopefully an episode or more, 784 00:58:14,199 --> 00:58:17,360 but not always, and just the highs and the lows of the whole process, 785 00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:21,320 not working with each other, but just the emotional toll of the episodes 786 00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:28,119 themselves, you know, funny things and then terrible things. It was one 787 00:58:28,159 --> 00:58:31,760 of the best writing experiences that I have ever had. And it was just 788 00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:37,320 yeah. So we would get on a call and I would fire up final 789 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:43,960 draft and share my screen and we were just right and share ideas and bouncings 790 00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,039 back and forth. And that would not work in every in every circumstance, 791 00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:52,440 in all companies, but it certainly did in this case. Wow, that's 792 00:58:52,519 --> 00:58:58,719 really interesting. I don't think I've ever heard of such a collaborative scripting process 793 00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:02,960 from anyone before. That's that's really interesting. Huh. I don't even know 794 00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,719 what to say. That's so unique. Yeah, but that's really cool. 795 00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:12,639 It's really cool. Yeah, So you said that there's going to be an 796 00:59:12,639 --> 00:59:16,400 ongoing arc across the season, and then there's you know, the little developments 797 00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:20,079 throughout each episode. Each episode you said it was going to be about ten 798 00:59:20,159 --> 00:59:22,360 minutes. Is that correct on average? I would say, yeah, So 799 00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:27,400 how many episodes in season one? There are eight? We originally planned on 800 00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:31,199 ten, and as we approached I don't know was at the end of episode 801 00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:37,679 seven, I messaged Jonathan and Alicia's like, crazy idea, I think we 802 00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,360 might be done by the end of episode because it was just the ending point 803 00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:45,480 was it felt right? Because in the next season, in which we do 804 00:59:45,559 --> 00:59:49,639 plan on producing, unless everybody hates this so much, somebody get death threats 805 00:59:49,719 --> 00:59:53,440 or something. But at the end of you know this, we find Robin 806 00:59:53,679 --> 01:00:00,400 at a crucial point where he's made a decision of some kind, and then 807 01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:08,440 in season two will be largely I believe, we witness the results or consequences 808 01:00:08,519 --> 01:00:12,960 of these decisions. So season one to kind of be the setup. We 809 01:00:13,039 --> 01:00:15,159 learned the characters, we learned the conflicts, we learned what's at stake, 810 01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:19,559 and then in season two we'll start to see some of those things play out. 811 01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,840 So you're just gonna leave us all on a cliffhanger. At the end 812 01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:30,039 of there is some resolution there is some resolution, but there's also tantalizing hints 813 01:00:30,119 --> 01:00:32,079 of things to come as well. Oh man, this is so exciting. 814 01:00:32,119 --> 01:00:37,880 So what have you learned about this this character from your research that you didn't 815 01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:42,800 know before going into it? You know, not a lot, because to 816 01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,320 be honest, there wasn't a lot about him as a character. I mean 817 01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,119 that was kind of my big beef about it, Like, I don't really 818 01:00:47,159 --> 01:00:51,400 know who Robin Hood is, Like, I know, you know, Rob's 819 01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,000 from the rich and gives to the poor. So that was suggested he's a 820 01:00:53,039 --> 01:01:00,000 generous and person that kind of puts the ends justify the means kind of character, 821 01:01:00,039 --> 01:01:02,960 which we kind of we're kind of pulling back from that aspect. I 822 01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,000 wasn't really crazy about that, So we're changing a few little things in there. 823 01:01:07,239 --> 01:01:09,960 But again, that was kind of my big complaint with Robin Hood is 824 01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:14,519 that we didn't know enough about him, and so throughout this process we have 825 01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:21,760 begun to learn about him, but through our own creations. So I'm not 826 01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,800 going to have the hubrist to say that our interpretation is the interpretation of who 827 01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:28,320 Robin Hood is or should have been, but I do think it's a powerful 828 01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:32,760 one. Well, are you ready to let the listener in on who is 829 01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:38,920 going to be playing these iconic characters. I am all right, So Darby 830 01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:45,320 Kern is doing a couple of voices of the guard and the Royal Harold who 831 01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:50,800 was at the archery tournament. Okay, there's a character who is not an 832 01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:55,519 original Robin Hood character but name of Cyril, and that is played by Duffy 833 01:01:55,639 --> 01:02:02,719 Webber. Cyril's wife, a domineering character who makes Cyril's life miserable, played 834 01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:08,280 by Kiera O'Brien. Oh wow, did a great job. Everybody did. 835 01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:13,679 Everybody has done a great job. We're doing this final recording session tomorrow and 836 01:02:13,679 --> 01:02:17,960 then it's wow. Dominic Tracey is doing is playing the part of the servant 837 01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:23,159 and the court who interacts with Cyril. Stephanie Emmett Parker is playing a woman 838 01:02:23,199 --> 01:02:28,880 at the church who meets with Fryar Chuck a w Miller who's been who is 839 01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:35,199 Watson and Sharlock Holmes plays a character named Reeves who is the treasurer who is 840 01:02:35,239 --> 01:02:42,639 also a plotting no good character in the court. Character John Plowman played by 841 01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:49,760 Daniel Cross, highly emotional character and he absolutely nailed it. Oh wow, 842 01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,960 he's so good. So good. Yeah, it was weird, practically all 843 01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:59,719 in tears. Friar Tuck, who is a bit different than the Friar Tuck 844 01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:02,079 that a lot of people would have known from the originals, but he's still 845 01:03:02,239 --> 01:03:09,119 Friary Tucky and is played by Andy Harvey, who just, oh, just 846 01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:15,039 absolutely crushed that role, absolutely crushed him. When I heard that, I 847 01:03:15,159 --> 01:03:21,800 was so excited because you sent me some of these beforehand and I saw that, 848 01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:24,920 and I'm like, oh, that is perfect casting. He and I 849 01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:28,480 haven't heard a second of it, and I know he's gonna nail back. 850 01:03:28,559 --> 01:03:31,400 Yeah. He plays kind of a father figure to Robin, and he just 851 01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:37,440 I just oh, I can't say enough enough good about how he did. 852 01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:43,519 Character of Elizabeth, who has made Marian's lady in waiting, played by Stacy 853 01:03:43,559 --> 01:03:51,920 Bradshaw. Okay, Prince John played by where there's sketchy character named Craig Hart. 854 01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:53,880 So we'll see how he does. I don't know. I don't have 855 01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:57,039 high hopes for that, but we'll see. Maybe you'll pull it off. 856 01:03:58,159 --> 01:04:01,719 Made Marian played by Alicia Hanson okay. And the title role of Robin Hood 857 01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:08,400 played by Jonathan Cook. Wow. And they're in music by John Campbell and 858 01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:12,400 there you go. Wow, this is going to be such a great show. 859 01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:15,280 So this is just for this first season right that. You know, 860 01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:18,639 we may hear other characters, this will show up sometime down the road. 861 01:04:18,679 --> 01:04:23,480 But this is what you've got locked in for this first season, locked in 862 01:04:23,519 --> 01:04:27,400 and recorded. How exciting, man, I am so looking forward to this. 863 01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,159 I know, I know you've just wrapped up recording, so you probably 864 01:04:30,199 --> 01:04:34,880 have no idea on a release at this point. But whenever this comes out, 865 01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:39,199 I'm I'm there for it. Man. Well, it is going to 866 01:04:39,239 --> 01:04:43,320 be this year. Unless John Campbell comes back and says I can't get it 867 01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:47,079 done, can't get the music written until like December fifteenth, it is going 868 01:04:47,119 --> 01:04:51,760 to be done this year. So wow. So do you have any idea 869 01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:56,239 on the release schedule? Are you going to drip it out or are you 870 01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,840 just going to drop the whole thing out and for people to binge? Partly 871 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,639 depends on how quickly we get it done. If we have time to release 872 01:05:02,719 --> 01:05:08,440 it episodically over a few weeks, that's what I want to do, so 873 01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:12,760 ideally, you know, two months. If we only have a month, 874 01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,400 then I may do it two episodes a week. Gone. You know, 875 01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:20,400 Monday and Thursday or something like that. But yeah, episodic is my preferred 876 01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:25,519 method for this particular particular one. So but yeah, we're I mean, 877 01:05:25,719 --> 01:05:29,119 I want to have the voice tracking done by the end of next week, 878 01:05:29,679 --> 01:05:31,679 and once that is done, it's off to John Campbell. And once once 879 01:05:31,719 --> 01:05:36,480 he gets back, it's sound design time, which we can work on as 880 01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:40,360 episodes are released. You know, we don't necessarily we haven't done all the 881 01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:44,320 same time. So but I'm very optimistic and like I say, that's it 882 01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:48,159 will be done this year. Unless John Campbell can't do it or unless I 883 01:05:48,199 --> 01:05:56,360 die, it's not there. You go. So you're doing post on this 884 01:05:56,440 --> 01:06:00,239 one as well. We'll be splitting that up. That's parts one of why 885 01:06:00,239 --> 01:06:03,840 I'm so confident. It won't be just me doing the posts, will be 886 01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:08,320 you know, as we've done everything else, Jonathan, Alicia and I will 887 01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:13,599 be splitting up the duties and tag team in it. Wow. Man, 888 01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:15,079 I'm so excited. You know, this is so well, this is what 889 01:06:15,119 --> 01:06:19,280 I've been wanting to see in this space, is people coming in and just 890 01:06:19,519 --> 01:06:25,639 coming in with some amazing ideas and just making some cool stuff. And you 891 01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:30,000 and Eternal Future Productions, You guys have both just done it. I mean 892 01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:34,400 they started with their their standalone Christmas show, then they moved into Pirate Tiers, 893 01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:40,320 and then now they've got all kinds of other projects coming venture and another 894 01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:45,199 Resurgence and all this. And I'm just so excited about this time in in 895 01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:50,360 audio drama because you guys are putting out such good quality stuff. It's awesome. 896 01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:57,559 Yeah, I'm I'm really excited as well. How the Audio Drama Space, 897 01:06:57,599 --> 01:07:02,920 but specifically the you know, family friendly audio Drama Space is doing with 898 01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:08,960 the Audio Drama Alliance Eternal Futures and you know LRT and you know, and 899 01:07:09,159 --> 01:07:14,159 this is the sort of collaborative efforts. I would love to see more of 900 01:07:14,199 --> 01:07:17,199 this kind of stuff happen. Again, I don't think it's for everybody, 901 01:07:17,239 --> 01:07:21,079 but if you get a team together who can do it, then it really 902 01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:26,760 can take the load off of one person, first of all, and secondly, 903 01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:30,440 you're not alone doing it. I mean, writing is such a solitary 904 01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,159 thing. If you can find a team to work with, then absolutely, 905 01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:38,440 you know do it. And one of the things that I when I started 906 01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:45,000 getting into the space a little bit more is everybody is doing their own thing, 907 01:07:45,119 --> 01:07:47,679 which is perfectly fine. I tend to be alone ranger quite frankly, 908 01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:51,159 so I understand that. But at the same time, we're all trying kind 909 01:07:51,159 --> 01:07:54,320 of trying to do the same thing with it. You know, get this, 910 01:07:54,519 --> 01:07:58,480 you know, quality audio dramas out there that the family can listen to. 911 01:08:00,679 --> 01:08:02,840 And so, yeah, this type of collaboration I would love to see 912 01:08:03,119 --> 01:08:10,119 more of that. We're using kind of a laser approach instead of the shotgun 913 01:08:10,159 --> 01:08:12,679 approach where just put everything out there and see where it goes. You know, 914 01:08:13,039 --> 01:08:15,239 and I'm talking about more things than just producing. I'm talking about promotion 915 01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:20,039 and you know, everything we can do to get things out there. That's 916 01:08:20,079 --> 01:08:25,279 part of the future plan, hopefully for the l LRT media at large, 917 01:08:25,319 --> 01:08:28,960 is trying to gather a lot of the stuff under one roof as kind of 918 01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:31,680 a hub where there are resources and dramas and places where people to promote and 919 01:08:32,319 --> 01:08:34,800 all that kind of good stuff, because there's so much potential. There's so 920 01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:36,800 much potential, but I think a lot of times, you know, people 921 01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:42,880 get overwhelmed and resources are limited, and it can get pretty lonely and you 922 01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:45,680 start to wonder if anybody cares and if anybody's listening, because having an audience 923 01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:49,960 and having other people work with you and and cheering you on, which is 924 01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:53,840 one thing that's great about the ADA, by the way, but having that 925 01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:58,680 maybe even in a larger sense, can put some air under the wings of 926 01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:01,439 a creator, like people are actually listening. I'm not just shouting into the 927 01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:04,520 void, because that's exhausting, and at some point you wonder, what's the 928 01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:09,199 point. Yeah, I would love to see this type of thing expand and 929 01:09:09,239 --> 01:09:13,640 grow and people take advantage of it. Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah, And 930 01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:18,119 we didn't even talk about you know, you working on the most important passover 931 01:09:18,239 --> 01:09:23,359 from from the ADA, and then another project that's going to be coming later 932 01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:27,880 which we can't talk about yet publicly, but I'm super excited about and I'm 933 01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:30,840 pretty sure you are as well. Absolutely, But there's there's just some exciting 934 01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:34,920 things happening, and I'm so glad that you're right here in the mix in 935 01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:40,720 this industry and just putting out some high quality stuff. And thank you for 936 01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:44,399 taking time to come on the show and share about all of these projects that 937 01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:47,800 you've already worked on and things that are yet to come. And I know 938 01:09:48,039 --> 01:09:51,800 that this community is excited for for what's coming, and so so thank you 939 01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:55,479 very much, Greg. It was my pleasure to be here absolutely anytime. 940 01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:57,760 Well, I might have to take you up on that. We might. 941 01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:02,680 We might just have to do this again testing one, two, three, 942 01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:06,159 testing. Let's just me talking. I do that a lot. Where's my 943 01:10:06,239 --> 01:10:10,840 speech? How long are you going to board with it? That's what I 944 01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:17,960 want to talk about. So here's what I'm thinking. This segment is going 945 01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:26,640 to be about the Seneca's problem. I've been hesitant to talk about this for 946 01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:30,920 fear that it would be perceived as as just a big griping session, and 947 01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:35,119 I do not want that. But after talking this over privately with a few 948 01:10:35,159 --> 01:10:40,439 folks, I decided that this is the best way to bring this up. 949 01:10:41,159 --> 01:10:45,199 But what please understand where my heart is. I love this industry, and 950 01:10:46,119 --> 01:10:51,800 my goal with ATC and the Seneca's is to encourage the creators, engage the 951 01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:59,920 fan base, and grow the reach of this medium. So I wanted to 952 01:11:00,119 --> 01:11:02,720 say at the very outset that we have been very intentional about these awards from 953 01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:09,600 the beginning. It was in planning for years before we ever actually started or 954 01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:15,279 actually publicly launched, and we didn't do anything lightly. We were very deliberate, 955 01:11:15,039 --> 01:11:18,039 and yes we have made a few mistakes. There were some things we 956 01:11:18,079 --> 01:11:24,880 had to correct early on in our process, but overall, I think it 957 01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:30,000 has been a success and it has done what we had set out to do, 958 01:11:30,039 --> 01:11:33,159 and that is to bring a recognition to the quality work that is being 959 01:11:33,159 --> 01:11:39,840 done in this industry. But that said, there have been several things about 960 01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:45,600 the awards that have not been ideal and they have not really improved over time. 961 01:11:45,359 --> 01:11:51,960 So due to those issues persisting and my doctor's advice, it is time 962 01:11:53,079 --> 01:12:00,800 to reevaluate things and look at the future of these awards. So my health 963 01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:05,680 has been deteriorating for a few years now, been dealing with a few different 964 01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:12,199 conditions, and my doctor has told me that I have got to reduce the 965 01:12:12,319 --> 01:12:19,640 stress in my life because it is it has been very detrimental to my health. 966 01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:26,680 And while it's certainly not the only one, one of the stresses in 967 01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:32,359 my life has been running these awards, and that is partly because for about 968 01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:36,479 six to eight months of the year I am working on the awards in some 969 01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:44,800 form, even though the actual judging and voting period is only a couple of 970 01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:47,560 months, and then we have the event on one night. It really is 971 01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:51,920 an insane amount of work for a ninety minute show once a year, and 972 01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:57,760 if you listen to the broadcast this year, I talked about how much I 973 01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:00,800 enjoy doing the awards, and I meant everything thing I said about loving it 974 01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:05,640 and always having fun. That is true. But there is also the other 975 01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:13,520 side, and that is the amount of time and effort that has to be 976 01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:19,319 put into it in order to make it run smoothly and be a success and 977 01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:24,640 be enjoyable for people to listen to. And so there's you know, the 978 01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:31,319 sponsor negotiation time and searching for sponsors every year, trying to reach out to 979 01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:38,840 find brands to work with. It takes a lot of time working on who 980 01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:42,920 we're going to have speak and communicating with them to get that all taken care 981 01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:45,800 of, and all of that, all of these things, not to mention 982 01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:53,239 the actual judging and reviewing of all of the productions. All of that takes 983 01:13:53,359 --> 01:13:57,680 a lot of time. And in case you don't know, Audio Theater Central 984 01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:00,960 and Portulite Family Media in general is not my full time job. I actually 985 01:14:01,039 --> 01:14:06,600 have a day job that I work at least forty hours every week on and 986 01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:12,479 so all of this stuff has to be done in the evenings and weekends, 987 01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:18,000 so all that extra time, it does have an effect. And I don't 988 01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,319 want this to sound like a begging for money segment. That's not what this 989 01:14:21,399 --> 01:14:27,720 is. But I'm just trying to be as transparent as possible. Since we're 990 01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:31,239 talking about this issue, I had to address this part of it. The 991 01:14:31,319 --> 01:14:36,720 awards are not profitable and it does cost a lot of money. The sponsorship 992 01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:43,880 dollars that come in have never completely covered the cost of the awards, and 993 01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:45,880 there are a lot of them. You know, it's not just the trophies 994 01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:49,760 themselves, but that is a big part of it, but there's also the 995 01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:56,000 postage, the packing materials for the trophies, and the graphic design, and 996 01:14:56,199 --> 01:15:00,640 website hosting and domain and the chat software and all of those things cost money. 997 01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:05,880 And all of these costs have increased over the six years that we've been 998 01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:13,479 running the awards, and we've been asked nearly every single year to add categories, 999 01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:18,399 but that just costs more time and more money, and we're just not 1000 01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:25,359 able to do that because, as I said, the awards are not profitable 1001 01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:32,319 and it's it's coming out of my personal finances. So that's where things are 1002 01:15:32,159 --> 01:15:43,119 with that aspect of it, and then there is the actual reviewing of submissions. 1003 01:15:43,159 --> 01:15:46,279 Every year, we weighed through hours and hours of submissions that just don't 1004 01:15:46,319 --> 01:15:54,520 follow the rules. I attempted to prescreen the submissions myself for the first few 1005 01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:59,000 years, but it just got to be so many I could not I could 1006 01:15:59,039 --> 01:16:01,680 not actually handle it, and I had to bring in help the last couple 1007 01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:10,399 of years to prescreen the submissions because so many of them do not follow the 1008 01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:16,239 rules in terms of the content guidelines in particular, and so that has just 1009 01:16:16,279 --> 01:16:23,000 been something that we've had to deal with every single year, and so I've 1010 01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:26,680 thought about what can we do about that? And I think one of the 1011 01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:30,840 reasons why that has been a big issue is from the beginning, we were 1012 01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:35,960 intentional about not wanting to charge people to enter their productions. I didn't want 1013 01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:42,159 to make it hard for small producers to participate. And so since there is 1014 01:16:42,239 --> 01:16:45,359 no entry fee, people can just submit whatever they want. And so I 1015 01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:51,479 think a lot of people just don't take the time to read all the rules, 1016 01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:55,319 and since it doesn't cost them anything to submit, they just send it 1017 01:16:55,359 --> 01:17:02,000 on Either that or their intentionally trying to slip something by us. I don't 1018 01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:08,159 know, you know, I don't know all of the people that submit every 1019 01:17:08,239 --> 01:17:12,399 year, there are new people that I've never heard of, and so that 1020 01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:18,000 is a concern. It takes a lot of time that is frankly wasted going 1021 01:17:18,039 --> 01:17:24,319 through these productions because they're not following the content guidelines and so they're not going 1022 01:17:24,359 --> 01:17:27,359 to be eligible at all, and so we have to weed them out. 1023 01:17:29,119 --> 01:17:33,960 And I'm not talking about production values. I'm talking about actual the content in 1024 01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:39,239 the stories, which we explicitly state on the website what is not allowed. 1025 01:17:40,239 --> 01:17:46,199 So that has been an issue, a recurring issue every single year. So 1026 01:17:46,239 --> 01:17:50,800 how do we fix that? Do we start charging people to enter? Is 1027 01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:55,319 that what we have to do? Again? I didn't want to make this 1028 01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:59,640 something where it was difficult for small producers who don't have a lot of funds 1029 01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:04,439 that they're disposal to be able to participate. The other thing is we have 1030 01:18:05,399 --> 01:18:11,159 given the trophies for free. We don't charge people for the trophies unless they 1031 01:18:11,199 --> 01:18:15,239 want a duplicate one, if the production house wants a second copy, or 1032 01:18:15,279 --> 01:18:18,840 if there is a certain credit that is shared by more than one person. 1033 01:18:19,239 --> 01:18:26,319 We have always given one trophy for every category for free. Do we need 1034 01:18:26,359 --> 01:18:30,039 to actually start charging for the trophies. It would help with the financial aspect 1035 01:18:30,079 --> 01:18:34,880 of it, but again that might make it less desirable, or it might 1036 01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:42,359 make it a challenge for smaller producers to be able to get a trophy, 1037 01:18:42,399 --> 01:18:47,279 and so I've been hesitant to do that. And another aspect is that it 1038 01:18:47,319 --> 01:18:54,960 hasn't really grown like we'd hoped. We intentionally set it up to be even 1039 01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:59,039 though it wasn't a live in person event, we intentionally set it up to 1040 01:18:59,079 --> 01:19:03,159 be an event. It happens on a particular day, and we wanted it 1041 01:19:03,199 --> 01:19:08,840 to be sort of a gathering point in the year for the industry and for 1042 01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:13,319 big time audio drama fans to come and be able to chat. That's why 1043 01:19:13,359 --> 01:19:15,439 we've put an emphasis on having the chat room there, because if you're just 1044 01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:20,760 going to be listening to something alone in your home, there's not much draw 1045 01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:25,520 for that. But with people there being able to talk and interact in the 1046 01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:28,760 chat room, it's always a lot of fun. And the people that do 1047 01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:32,159 show up seem to really enjoy it, and I know that we do as 1048 01:19:32,199 --> 01:19:39,960 well, So it's always fun. But it hasn't really grown all that much 1049 01:19:40,319 --> 01:19:45,199 in terms of the live audience. Only a very small percentage of the ATC 1050 01:19:45,319 --> 01:19:49,960 community comes. Yes, many of you listen later, and that's great too, 1051 01:19:50,119 --> 01:19:54,640 That's awesome. I love it the people actually listen after the fact. 1052 01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:59,279 But I would love love for it to grow and have more people show up 1053 01:19:59,279 --> 01:20:03,079 to the live event. So, whether you are in the industry or if 1054 01:20:03,159 --> 01:20:08,319 you're an audio drama fan, what would it take for you to actually come 1055 01:20:08,359 --> 01:20:11,560 to the live stream? Do you have any interest in that at all? 1056 01:20:12,199 --> 01:20:15,600 Now, I should also mention that the number of people that are in the 1057 01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:19,680 chat room also does not reflect the number of people that actually tune in live, 1058 01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:25,760 so not everybody joins the chat so even that is a small percentage of 1059 01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:31,039 the people that actually tune in live. But many people have asked us to 1060 01:20:31,399 --> 01:20:38,439 do a live event, an actual in person event, but this very thing 1061 01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:42,439 has always held me back from even really pursuing it, aside from the fact 1062 01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:48,079 that that financially that's an impossibility at this stage. But if people don't even 1063 01:20:48,119 --> 01:20:51,199 show up to a virtual event, why would they come to an in person 1064 01:20:51,239 --> 01:20:56,319 one? If you know. So, again, I don't want this to 1065 01:20:56,319 --> 01:20:59,199 sound like a big griping session. This is I'm just putting all the cards 1066 01:20:59,199 --> 01:21:03,239 on the table because I want to hear from you, particularly you if you 1067 01:21:03,319 --> 01:21:09,800 are in the audio drama industry, but also from the fans. You know, 1068 01:21:10,319 --> 01:21:15,800 awards shows in general are not always just something that are viewed by the 1069 01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:23,600 industry. We know historically millions of people have viewed award shows on TV, 1070 01:21:24,079 --> 01:21:28,279 and it's definitely it's not just the industry, folks, it is the fans 1071 01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:31,359 of that particular art form, whether that's music or movies or TV or whatever 1072 01:21:31,359 --> 01:21:38,479 it is. So this event has always been trying to bridge both the industry 1073 01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:44,039 and the fan community. So again, we'd love to know your thoughts on 1074 01:21:44,279 --> 01:21:48,960 the live event. Should we discontinued the live element, should we just start 1075 01:21:49,239 --> 01:21:55,560 doing it as a normal podcast episode. And then one of the bigger things 1076 01:21:56,000 --> 01:22:01,640 is some segments. Now this is by no means all or even the majority, 1077 01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:06,479 but some segments of the industry have not been responsive to the awards at 1078 01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:13,239 all. Numerous times over the years, we've had nominees who just have not 1079 01:22:13,399 --> 01:22:20,119 even responded at all to our communications or have really just dismissed them as as 1080 01:22:20,159 --> 01:22:27,720 if they were of no value at least that's how it came across to us. 1081 01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:30,640 And then there have been times when people even get angry for not being 1082 01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:36,239 nominated or things like that. And so, again, this is not the 1083 01:22:36,279 --> 01:22:41,960 majority of the industry. I have heard from lots of you that you appreciate 1084 01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:46,439 what we're doing and that feedback is valuable to me, and we do take 1085 01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:51,880 that into account. So I'm not trying to call out anybody in particular or 1086 01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:57,279 say if you have let me know at some point that you appreciated that I 1087 01:22:57,359 --> 01:23:00,840 have not taken your feedback into consideration, because that's not the case. But 1088 01:23:01,079 --> 01:23:06,880 again, there there's a segment of the industry that just does not seem to 1089 01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:12,119 care at all. And so I'm wondering, how do we rectify this? 1090 01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:15,560 What do we do about this? Do we just keep things going as they 1091 01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:23,600 are? I don't know. And I think one of the factors in that 1092 01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:30,319 is that from the beginning, we allowed committee members to be able to submit 1093 01:23:30,399 --> 01:23:35,600 productions on behalf of producers because we knew at the beginning, especially nobody really 1094 01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:41,000 knew who we were or what we were trying to do, and we didn't 1095 01:23:41,039 --> 01:23:45,800 want to just have one or two submissions that would kind of make things pointless. 1096 01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:50,920 Those one or two would just get every award, right, because you 1097 01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:56,600 need to have enough participants to make it worthwhile. And so we knew that 1098 01:23:56,680 --> 01:24:00,840 because this was a brand new effort, that we weren't going to be able 1099 01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:03,520 to get the word out to the entire industry and get everybody on board and 1100 01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:09,760 things like that, especially in the early days. So we've always had this 1101 01:24:10,119 --> 01:24:15,840 option for committee members to be able to submit on behalf of producers. So 1102 01:24:16,239 --> 01:24:21,640 of course that does mean that sometimes productions get submitted where the producer has no 1103 01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:28,199 idea until you know, if they get a nomination, then we will send 1104 01:24:28,199 --> 01:24:34,239 out a notification. So does that mean should we no longer allow committee members 1105 01:24:34,279 --> 01:24:41,199 to put forward shows? Because in some of these cases, these are the 1106 01:24:41,239 --> 01:24:45,840 people who aren't responding. So again, I don't want this to sound like 1107 01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:50,800 a big complaining session, but this is just the reality of where things are, 1108 01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:55,079 and I maybe this is a total mistake to be this transparent. I 1109 01:24:55,119 --> 01:24:59,600 don't know. I'm just trying to figure out what's the best way to move 1110 01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:04,479 forward. And I need your help because this is for you, the audio 1111 01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:10,600 drama industry. Does this industry even want the awards as a whole? Does 1112 01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:15,039 the industry want this? Is this something that you feel is valuable? So 1113 01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:20,760 I want your feedback again, particularly if you are a creative in this industry, 1114 01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:26,319 whether you're an actor or writer, sound designer, whatever your role, 1115 01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:30,279 if you're in this industry, please share this with your colleagues and contacts so 1116 01:25:30,399 --> 01:25:33,880 we can get some direction on where we need to go in the future, 1117 01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:43,279 because things cannot continue as they are. All of these things that I've mentioned 1118 01:25:43,359 --> 01:25:48,279 are elements that collectively make the Senecas. While still a lot of fun and 1119 01:25:48,319 --> 01:25:53,600 I love doing them, they are a lot of stress. And again, 1120 01:25:54,399 --> 01:25:58,079 because of my health, I have got to do some things to help alleviate 1121 01:25:58,159 --> 01:26:00,119 some of that, and this is one of the things that I do have 1122 01:26:00,159 --> 01:26:04,359 control over, and so I have to reevaluate things, and so I need 1123 01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:10,920 your help. I want your suggestions. Should we start charging for submissions, 1124 01:26:11,159 --> 01:26:15,319 Should we start charging for trophies? Would you be willing to pay for either 1125 01:26:15,399 --> 01:26:19,119 of those things if that is the direction we go. Should we discontinue committee 1126 01:26:19,119 --> 01:26:25,279 submissions and require producers to submit their shows and only the shows that get submitted 1127 01:26:25,279 --> 01:26:30,680 are the ones that get considered. I'm open to these options, and if 1128 01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:35,279 you have other suggestions for solutions to any of these issues that I've raised, 1129 01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:40,520 I am open to hearing those, Please please let me know so you can 1130 01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:46,479 contact me here through the ATC contact information or the contact information on the Senecas 1131 01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:53,479 dot org. Please please please get in touch and let me know what you 1132 01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:58,359 think where should we go in the future. And lastly, I'll just say 1133 01:26:58,359 --> 01:27:01,199 this. I know this is not the most prestigious award out there. This 1134 01:27:01,399 --> 01:27:09,000 is not the Emmys or the Oscars or the Grammys, but the Synecas are 1135 01:27:09,039 --> 01:27:15,079 the only juried awards specifically for audio drama when we first began the process. 1136 01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:20,119 Now there is the UK International Radio Drama Festival, which has an awards element, 1137 01:27:20,199 --> 01:27:24,399 but I think it's only a couple of categories and I don't really know 1138 01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:32,119 how they're selection process works. They started in twenty seventeen also, but again 1139 01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:36,079 I don't believe they have the full range of categories, you know, all 1140 01:27:36,119 --> 01:27:41,800 of the production categories and the acting categories and all of that. But for 1141 01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:46,000 sure, we are the only ones for clean audio drama specifically. You know, 1142 01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:51,000 there are lots of other audio awards. There's audiobook Awards and podcast awards 1143 01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:58,520 and all of those. Many of those have categories or have a category for 1144 01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:02,920 audio drama. But in terms of one specifically for audio drama, there aren't 1145 01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:09,479 that many options, and so I want to keep going. I love doing 1146 01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:13,159 this, and I've heard from so many of you that you do appreciate it 1147 01:28:13,199 --> 01:28:17,760 and it is something that you value. But if it is time to stop, 1148 01:28:18,119 --> 01:28:21,039 then so be it. But I want to know what you think, 1149 01:28:21,159 --> 01:28:27,640 what you want, and so I'm putting the ball in your court as the 1150 01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:31,439 industry professionals, and again I would like to hear from the audio drama fans 1151 01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:36,439 as well. So I know that was a lot, and I apologize if 1152 01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:42,319 that was not really what you wanted to hear, but it's where I am 1153 01:28:42,359 --> 01:28:45,119 at this point, and so we've got to figure out where to go in 1154 01:28:45,199 --> 01:28:47,640 the future, and I need your help to do that. I know that 1155 01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:54,159 I have kind of rambled a little bit, and it's primarily because I've been 1156 01:28:54,239 --> 01:28:58,520 very nervous about even talking about this because I don't know how it's going to 1157 01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:02,960 be received. But I'm doing the best I can, and so please let 1158 01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:05,720 me know what you think. So what are you think of the show? 1159 01:29:11,399 --> 01:29:15,560 Please leave your message after the chalone. Hi Audia Theater Central. Hey guys, 1160 01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:18,880 this is awesome preach. How about jd Roy Andrew my name is Victoria. 1161 01:29:19,159 --> 01:29:23,159 Now, yesterday I received a letter from a big band. No time 1162 01:29:23,239 --> 01:29:26,840 to travel, I've got an emails. I've got a package for me today. 1163 01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:31,680 No, it's actually just your mail. All right, it's time for 1164 01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:36,319 some feedback, and we've got one entry here from easy and he sent in 1165 01:29:36,359 --> 01:29:42,600 a text message to the feedback line which is six two three six eight eight 1166 01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:47,479 two seven seven zero, and he was asking about radio spirits. So he 1167 01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:50,560 said, JD, I found something on the internet today that is going to 1168 01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:55,520 bring back an insane amount of memories for you. And he sent a link 1169 01:29:55,640 --> 01:30:00,880 to some episodes of the radio show When Radio Was, which was hosted by 1170 01:30:00,079 --> 01:30:06,680 Stan Freeburg back in the day. And he found some episodes of the show 1171 01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:12,479 when Stan was hosting it, and they were available on archive dot org. 1172 01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:15,520 And I have mentioned in the past on the show how I used to listen 1173 01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:19,960 to that radio show and loved, love hearing Stan Freeberg present these shows. 1174 01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:25,560 That was one of the things that really got me into old time radio. 1175 01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:30,359 Now that show still does air on radio stations around the country and perhaps even 1176 01:30:30,359 --> 01:30:34,399 elsewhere. I don't know for sure, but it is of course not hosted 1177 01:30:34,399 --> 01:30:40,520 by Stan Freeberg anymore. As he passed away in twenty fifteen. But it 1178 01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:45,279 is produced by Radio Spirits, which is a company that sells recordings of old 1179 01:30:45,279 --> 01:30:54,720 time radio shows. And so easy asked what my opinion is on these kinds 1180 01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:58,960 of shows being distributed, and he said that Radio Spirits does still exist, 1181 01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:01,800 but it's nowhere near what it used to be. They were doing an incredible 1182 01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:05,760 business back then. But how do you feel about the shows being around? 1183 01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:10,640 All of those old shows are widely available on the internet, so I don't 1184 01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:15,039 even really know how they stay in business. And that they there, I'm 1185 01:31:15,039 --> 01:31:18,560 assuming he's meaning Radio Spirits, and he continues, the people who created them 1186 01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:21,760 have long since died, so there's really no one to pay. Just very 1187 01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:26,399 curious as to your perspective because you've always said, and I agree that content 1188 01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:29,600 creators need to be paid, But what about things that were designed to be 1189 01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:33,439 broadcast and broadcast only. So, yes, a lot of those shows were 1190 01:31:34,039 --> 01:31:40,960 broadcast out on the airwaves, and they had discs that recorded them, but 1191 01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:45,079 they weren't really necessarily intended to be widely distributed back then. In the early 1192 01:31:45,199 --> 01:31:49,840 days, well, a company like Radio Spirits and there are a few others, 1193 01:31:50,439 --> 01:31:56,840 started locating all of those old discs and transcribing them and cleaning up the 1194 01:31:56,880 --> 01:32:02,199 audio and then reselling them. So what are my thoughts on listening to these 1195 01:32:02,199 --> 01:32:06,840 old time radio shows for free when I'm always advocating for paying the creators. 1196 01:32:08,399 --> 01:32:11,439 Well, yeah, in this case, you know, it's a little bit 1197 01:32:11,439 --> 01:32:15,560 more murky. I know that there are some people who claim that they are, 1198 01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:20,760 you know, public domain, or that the recordings themselves are still under 1199 01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:25,239 copyright, and it's only the scripts that are in public domain, and there's 1200 01:32:25,319 --> 01:32:28,760 all. I don't really know all of the illegalities of that, but he 1201 01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:33,279 is absolutely right that many of these shows are available online for free, and 1202 01:32:33,319 --> 01:32:40,479 there are collectors out there who find these disks and they will transfer them to 1203 01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:45,520 digital media and distribute them. There are thousands of programs out there that you 1204 01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:49,239 can listen to for free, and many of them are on archive dot org 1205 01:32:50,279 --> 01:32:57,840 or the Internet archive. And so I don't necessarily think that it's it's a 1206 01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:03,000 problem to go and listen to those and even collect them, because these networks 1207 01:33:03,119 --> 01:33:08,039 kind of let them go for a long time. Now. I know that 1208 01:33:08,479 --> 01:33:14,399 a company like Radio Spirits does claim to have ownership of some of these recordings, 1209 01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:17,920 and I don't know the legality of their claims, I really don't understand 1210 01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:23,560 it, because again, these are everywhere on the internet, so I just 1211 01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:28,920 don't know how valid their claims are. But I will say that if somebody 1212 01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:33,760 purchases some of the Radio Spirits products, and you know, if they're on 1213 01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:39,880 CD or whatever, and they rip those files and then start distributing them, 1214 01:33:39,960 --> 01:33:45,039 that is piracy because you purchased a product from Radio Spirits and now you are 1215 01:33:45,039 --> 01:33:51,960 distributing them. Because the draw of what Radio Spirits does is they remaster and 1216 01:33:53,199 --> 01:33:58,319 clean the audio of these old recordings, so it's not what you would actually 1217 01:33:58,319 --> 01:34:03,159 get if you just listen to these old records. And so that's where they 1218 01:34:03,159 --> 01:34:09,760 are adding their own element or whatever to the product, and that's what they're 1219 01:34:10,439 --> 01:34:13,920 that's what they're selling to you. And so that was the draw, and 1220 01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:17,680 that's how they're still in business because they are offering you cleaner versions of the 1221 01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:23,640 audio. Now. I supported Radio Spirits for many years. I purchased a 1222 01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:27,520 lot of their products and they were good, good, and I think they 1223 01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:33,319 might be one of the largest libraries that are available for purchase of remastered audio 1224 01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:38,720 for old time radio. But there is another player in this space, and 1225 01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:43,279 that is Radio Archives. The quality of their stuff is much much better. 1226 01:34:43,319 --> 01:34:50,239 They use state of the art technology that absolutely sounds so much better, and 1227 01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:57,119 they just do some really, really great work, and so I highly recommend 1228 01:34:57,319 --> 01:35:00,920 checking those out because the quality is so much bet better than what you can 1229 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:04,439 find on some website if you just google some old time radio show and find 1230 01:35:04,520 --> 01:35:09,800 something there to listen to. So I think there is still a place for 1231 01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:14,600 these companies like Radio Spirits or Radio Archives. Radio Spirits has, as I 1232 01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:17,960 said, a large library. Radio Archives is smaller, but they are growing. 1233 01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:23,439 They're adding titles all the time, and if you want superior quality, 1234 01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:28,920 then that's the place to go. Radio archives dot com. Now, if 1235 01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:32,880 your question was in regards to the When Radio Was show in particular, because 1236 01:35:33,279 --> 01:35:39,159 the link that you sent easy was to a listing on archive dot org for 1237 01:35:39,239 --> 01:35:44,920 a couple of episodes of When Radio Was Now, those are the actual property 1238 01:35:45,079 --> 01:35:48,800 of Radio Spirits because they produce that show. They are presenting these old time 1239 01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:54,760 radio episodes, but within the context of another show, and so yes, 1240 01:35:54,800 --> 01:36:00,600 they do still technically own those shows. Now. It is still little murky 1241 01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:02,880 in this case though, because if you go to the website for the radio 1242 01:36:02,880 --> 01:36:09,119 show when Radio was dot com and you go to the archive, they only 1243 01:36:09,119 --> 01:36:13,399 have a few episodes there, and only just a few of the recent ones. 1244 01:36:14,399 --> 01:36:18,520 So I actually did reach out to them and ask them about the archive 1245 01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:24,279 of the When Radio Was broadcasts and how can you access them and do they 1246 01:36:24,319 --> 01:36:29,079 have them available? And I looked in their store and I didn't see any 1247 01:36:29,119 --> 01:36:34,680 episodes of the show available, And so I don't know if they're not making 1248 01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:40,800 them available to purchase. If you happen to come across some old episodes from 1249 01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:46,880 the nineties, then I don't I mean, if they're not selling them, 1250 01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:49,720 I don't know. That's kind of a thing where you're going to have to 1251 01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:56,600 make your own call as to whether that whether you think that is a moral 1252 01:36:56,720 --> 01:37:00,880 call that you're comfortable making. So I can't help you on that one. 1253 01:37:01,560 --> 01:37:06,119 So the whole issue of old time radio is a little bit murky, But 1254 01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:10,600 you do have some valid points that there are a lot of shows out there 1255 01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:14,159 available for free. You just google it and you'll find them out there somewhere. 1256 01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:18,920 But again, if you want better quality, then you need to go 1257 01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:25,920 to someplace like Radio Spirits or radio archives to purchase those remastered versions. So 1258 01:37:27,119 --> 01:37:29,560 I don't know if I helped at all, or if I answered your question, 1259 01:37:29,640 --> 01:37:32,399 or if I just made things more confusing, but that's where I stand 1260 01:37:32,479 --> 01:37:36,119 on that issue. Thank you so much. Easy for the feedback, and 1261 01:37:36,159 --> 01:37:39,880 if you would like to get in touch with us, you can definitely do 1262 01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:44,079 that by emailing feedback at audio Theatercentral dot com or comment on the show notes, 1263 01:37:45,159 --> 01:37:48,359 and you can of course send a text or give us a call at 1264 01:37:48,359 --> 01:37:54,560 six two three six eight eight two seven zero and leave a voicemail there. 1265 01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:58,600 Well. Thank you again to Craig Hart for coming on the show. Really 1266 01:37:58,640 --> 01:38:00,880 appreciated it. Love to talking with you. I'm really looking forward to everything 1267 01:38:00,920 --> 01:38:05,720 that LRT Media has coming up. If you would like to stay up to 1268 01:38:05,800 --> 01:38:11,239 date on everything that's going on with ATC, join the ATC Insiders. That's 1269 01:38:11,279 --> 01:38:15,600 our newsletter. 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