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So off the weekend, which is
a holiday weekend here for us in the

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US for Memorial Day. Happy Memorial
Day, everybody. As we go into

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a fight Freaks Unite recap off of
world title fights, huge knockout for Luis

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Alberto Lopez, revenge for Lee Wood, controversial scoring for Chris Billham Smith.

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I mean, my lord, did
we have any action and a welterweight prospect

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for Golden Boy that's looking better and
better in Alexis Roach And we've got all

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of this to go over. Thank
you for finding us. I am the

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somewhat competent host T J. Reeves. He is our insider Fight Freaks Unite

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substack, Big Fight Weekend dot Com. Hello Dan Raphael. Good to be

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back with you with plenty, plenty, plenty to go over. Oh yeah,

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we had a pretty busy weekend.
I was trying to juggle three different

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browsers and streams at the same time. You know what struck me by the

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way, I don't it speaks to
our times, right. So we had

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the Roaches Show on the Zone,
the uh Laura Wood Show on the Zone,

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the ESPN Plus Car with Lopez and
Conlin, and the Billham Smith and

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o'cole fight, which in the United
States was on the Fight app four shows

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of consequence, three with the World
Championship fights, not a single one of

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them on linear television. I watch
everything on streaming, that's correct, that's

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I mean for the kids, they
get it. For for old guys like

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us, that's that's like a weird
thing to me. But are you why

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do you keep bringing up old we're
older? Are we really old? I

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don't know if we're getting older,
like I don't know. Like when I

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was growing up, if you wanted
to watch boxing, we had four channels

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you put on usually any one of
ABC, CBS or or NBC. Nothing

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on PBS, you know, and
you watched that boxing on those three channels.

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And then if you had cable,
if you were lucky and your parents

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sprung for it, you know,
you could maybe watch boxing on HBO or

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maybe boxing on Showtime now was basically
it, or on the Tuesday night fights

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or ESPN's fights top ranked boxing fights
on ESPN. Yeah, but yeah,

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you're right, I mean it.
You know, the times have changed,

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and here was and here was the
difficulty for me in the afternoon, trying

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to manage this for the site,
etc. I only have so many computer

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screens, including with my TV,
trying to manage these all at once,

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and you only have so many eyeballs, And I did liking it. It's

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almost like the NCAA Tournament in March
and college basketball when you've got four games

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going on at once, or an
NFL Sunday where you're trying to watch all

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the games at once or keep track
of five or six of them on a

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Sunday afternoon sometimes at once. It's
a challenge it But football is different,

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RAY feel, because they play for
like ten seconds on a play or five

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seconds, and then they take a
little break and you can watch this screen

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over here and watch another play.
No, you can't do that with boxing

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and constant action. You can't divert
away from this screen to look at this

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screen because you're gonna miss big punches
or knocked down. I know you're me

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on that. It's not the same
thing. Well, what I typically will

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do, and I get people who
like hit me up on social media,

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you know, how are you going
to watch this day? Like what what

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are you going to do it?
In? So yesterday is a good example.

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So I wasn't sure which one I
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you know, I'm watching under cards. I'm going back and forth. I'm

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in my office. I've got I've
got all the browsers open, I've got

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the the Zone browser open, I've
got the ESPM plus browser, and I've

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got the Fight browser, so i
can just click screen to screen in my

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office. And my perspective was,
whichever main event comes on first, that's

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the one I'm gonna be live with
because I'm writing stories off them. Also

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for the most part, So as
it turnout, the first main event that

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started was the Lopez against Colin fight, so I went with that one is

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what I was going to concentrate on
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twelve rounds. If it had gone
twelve rounds, it would have it would

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have cut into the beginning of the
Leewood and lar fight. That would have

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kind of been aggravating, as it
turned out, because it was an earlier

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knockout in the fifth round. There
was actually a time from the time that

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that fight ended. I forget exactly. It might have been twenty minutes,

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a half an hour or something like
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the Laura would fight. So that
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would concerted, because they gave you
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quotes and digest sort of what had
occurred, and then get right into the

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other fight, the Billam Smith one
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pay close attention to that because it
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actually, to be quite honest,
that was the one of the three fights

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that were all sort of on at
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in, okay, But for me, I was also interested in You and

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I were on opposite sides of the
aisle. I had Billam Smith, you

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had O Cooley. I was interested
in, and in the timeline that one

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started after the Conlin knockout loss and
ending that one started up and was probably

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Dan about three or four rounds in
before the Wood fight started, So you

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did get at least some separation of
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you've seen the beginning of Billam Smith
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leave Wood fight is beginning. So
it was a lot. It was a

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ton to keep up with, and
you wrote about it on your sub stack,

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and we wrote about it on Big
Fight Weekend dot Com. Shout out

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to the guys helping me, Ricky
Carroll and Sadiq Ahmed who were who were

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helping write all of this because we
even we even had uh chaos later on

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with the Golden Boys shows, and
you gotta have help, you gotta have

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extra balls. Were Zilla like you
are with at at least the roacha fight

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did not you know that was didn't
start until mutually all done, So that

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was good and that was a good
way to end things off. Okay,

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so let's begin here, and by
the way, thank you for finding us.

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Make sure you're following, make sure
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we did come early. We are
promoting this. We came early because it's

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a Memorial Day holiday. We're honoring
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duty in the military or first responders, police, etc. We're honoring them.

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So it's a national holiday, traditional
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our case, Dan and I are
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Because there's stuff for the holiday and
everybody's out of their routine and get

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So, peeps, I hope you're taking

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advantage of hearing us on a Sunday
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that's why we're here in the timeframe
where we are. So let's begin with

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the Luis Alberto Lopez knockout of Michael
Comlin. Upfront, you and I both

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believe this was going to be a
Conlin decision win. We picked it on

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the bet Us Show Action Pack fight, and in the end, Lopez ends

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up catching him with a booming shot, a one punch, a one hit

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or quitter like we like to say, right a one punch ko and he

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retains the title. Your thoughts in
a recap mode? My thoughts were I

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could tell after about the second or
third round that this was not Michael Colin's

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night. He looked really bad,
Lopez looked really sharp, took the shots

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well. Just never let Michael Colin
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I mean, Michael has no problem
fighting it out with a guy, but

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Michael's bread and butter, his cells
at being a boxer. He's not a

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big puncher, but he knows that, you know, he's he's shown that

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throughout his entire career, and Lopez
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that tries to come and get you. He's got a lot of knockouts.

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You know, he did go to
distance when he won the title against Warrington,

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but he you know, he inflicted
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But I just didn't. I mean, I was like, right away pretty

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much at the beginning of this fight, I just did not like Michael's body

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language. I just thought he was
getting hit too much. He was not

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defensive minded at all. He wasn't
getting away from the shots. He never

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established the distance to keep or at
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end of a job and it was
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good heart, and he tried and
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end of the day, there's only
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from that kind of those kind of
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that big Uppercott just ruined him in
the fifth round. Sure, And you

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and I were not there, You
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know it as well. Did it
appear to you though maybe weight drained and

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SAPs some do we do? We
just credit bad matchup. Lopez is a

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bad matchup and firing back on him, And I mean, what would you

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speculate as to why he didn't look
himself? To paraphrase what you were just

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saying, Colin, Listen, I
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I don't sometimes in boxing, there's
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I don't try to like find every
little you know, an issue,

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excuse, problem, whatever. Sometimes
guys just have a bad night. And

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I'm not saying that this was the
case in terms of that he would have

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won on some other night. It
just Michael Colin didn't have a more bad

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matchup or bad matchup. And maybe
it was a bad matchup. A guy

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could take your shots and the guys
firing back and it's a bad matchup,

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and you find that out. He's
been in with other good fighters that are

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good punchers also and he hasn't had
a problem taking the shots, So I

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don't look at it like that.
I think this was actually the perfect matchup

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for him. I mean, this
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uh, you know can it's not
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guy that's much bigger than you or
or you know, has uh you know,

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tremendous amounts of experience. I mean, Michael's a tremendously experienced fighter in

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terms of his two time Olympian with
a medal, and I'm plenty of experience

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in the professionals fighting and uh,
you know, big crowds and against good

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opponents. Now sometimes it's it's you
know what, you go in the ring

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and you're not yourself, you don't
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the other guy gets credit. Also, I'm not making excuses. I

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mean, if Louis Alberto Lopez,
he did what he does, he throws,

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uh, you know, he's an
aggressive puncher. He's defense sucks but

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his hands are down. But I
mean it's effective. I mean, I'll

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tell you it's like Jamal Herring.
Jamal Herring, who was doing the analysis

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for the ESPN Plus broadcast, said
exactly what I was thinking. Jose or

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Luis Alberto Lopez's offense is his defense
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They come from all kinds of angles. He throws the shot from his hips

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that that it's you know, and
he throws with both hands, and so

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he's constantly crushing you. So he
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doesn't allow the opponent to get back
to or get into any kind of groove.

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And that's effective for his defense because
he keeps up that pace and that

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pressure. And the bottom line was, Michael Colin, I have to assume

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the game plan was to go and
box him at a distance, mix it

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up occasionally if you have to,
but stick and move, and stick and

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move, and do that for as
long as you can, as good as

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you can. And Louis Alberto Lopez
wasn't having any of that. He was

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not going to allow him to get
into that kind of groove. And you

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could tell after about two rounds that
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however long this fight went. And
then he dumped down into that wild uppercut

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and he paid the price, and
he went to sleep for a couple of

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seconds there, and the fight was
over. And in fact, the referee

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before they could even before the referee
could even begin a count or wave it

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off, whichever I mean, obviously
he's probably gonna wave it You saw the

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towel from the corner from Adam Booth, the trainer of Michael Conlin, come

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flying into the ring. And you
could tell also by the way after round

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four when they went to the corner
that Adam was a little concerned. And

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you know, you don't usually see
urgency from a trainer after four rounds,

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but it's it felt like there was
some urgency, like like Adam knew,

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you know, we don't have it
tonight. And that's the deal. And

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now the problem that Michael faces is
now in his two biggest fights both in

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world title matches. This match three
fights ago against Lee Wood, a fight

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he was winning but also got knocked
out even more spectacularly than he got knocked

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out on Saturday. Where do you
go? Yep, two biggest fights are

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both KAO losses. He's got to
start over, and he said he had

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a social media postum an early Sunday
that basically said, I'm going to take

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some time away from everything, including
social media, and reevaluate where I go

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from here, and we'll I mean, we'll see. I mean, certainly

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he's young enough that he can he
can you know, rebound, refocus,

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but he's got now a lot to
get back in order to get back in

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a world title fight. I'm just
not four stage. I'm not sure he's

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not young. He's had a ton
of amateur fights. He's in his thirties.

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Um, this was his best opportunity. It's not to say that he

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can't get another shot to say,
what is his? Does he really want

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to go through that effort to climb
them out? And again he's not getting

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any younger. He's taken punishment now
in some fights. Um. And let

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me tell you, Michael is a
very we talked about on the podcast the

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other day when we were previewing of
what a fan favorite he was with the

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Irish fans, in particular in terms
of the way that things went when his

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pro debut with the giant electrifying atmosphere
that they had filling up the Madison Square

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Garden theater. Uh. And Michael
has been a fan favorite for a long

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time, whether he's been fighting in
New York City where he drew lots of

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fans, or he's fighting obviously in
in Northern Ireland. Uh. Michael's a

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good dude. Uh. I like
him. He's a very likable guy.

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And his brother Jamie, who's now
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Pretty Colin Boxing, which is the
promotional outfit that works with top rank

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on their on their events. Um
So listen, I wish Michael Conlin absolutely

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nothing but the best, A good
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Uh And but Louise how Berto Lopez, you know people write him off.

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You know we picked against him.
This guy is the road warrior man.

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This guy now has three of his
big all three of his championship victories

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have come in the enemy territory.
Went to London, went to London and

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annihilated Isaac Low in the elimination fight, which got him the opportunity to fight

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for title. Took a couple of
tune up fights while he's waiting to get

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the shot. Then for the title
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a fortress where Josh Warrington is from. Fought him in his hometown and out

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fought him and out slugged him out
and out boxed him and won a majority

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decision that really should have been an
unanimous decision. You know, when you

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go to a guy's hometown like that
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that was really a clean win.
And then in his first defense,

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he didn't have a celebration homecoming fight. He didn't take a soft touch or

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just pick an easy mark. No, the guy went in with a very

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quality, reputable, legit contender in
Michael Colin and did it in Michael Conlin's

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hometown. And this is not like
just any old hometown. This is Belfast,

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Northern Ireland, where they don't fuck
around. And yes he knocked them

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out, you know, yep.
Bad two weeks by the way for the

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Irish fans, uh, the Irish
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Taylor was beaten last week in Dublin
and now Michael Conlin knocked out in bellefan

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listen, even even even on the
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out, it was a big surprise, sou. But the good thing for

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if you're if you're an Irish fan
is they've got a lot of good young

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prospects coming up and and even like
Katie Taylor, she's still champion at one

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hundred and thirty five pounds, so
all is not lost. And Conlin again

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is thirty one twenty pro fights in
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five. So let's let's see if
he and maybe he does not re emerge

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after these two knockout losses, combining
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We'll see. For Lopez, just
give me one quick thing and we'll move

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on. For here, what do
you think is next? Because there are

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some top rank options potentially, and
he's a top ranked fighter, what do

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you think is next off the knockout? Well, I mean there's there's First

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of all, they're gonna have to
have a conversation with him. What does

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he want to do, what are
his expectations. I mean, it would

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be nice, honestly if he could
actually get a fight that was, you

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know, not in his home,
in the other guys some town for a

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change, whether that means fighting I
don't know about in Mexico, but somewhere

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in the United States and in a
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Whatever. But I think look,
they have other champions that they work

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with. They're the promoter for Robes
Ramirez. I don't think that. I

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think the logical fight that that would
be interesting was the loss that he took.

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Louis Alberto Lopez has had two defeats. One of them was very early

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in his career back in twenty eighteen
in Mexico, his most notable loss,

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which came the following year, but
that was a nationally televised fight in the

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United States on Showbox. He lost
a decision to ruben Villa, who then

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later fought for a ROL tuttle and
loss. But ruben Villa recently signed with

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Top Rank, made his top ranked
debut in recent you know, just in

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the last couple of weeks, and
looked very, very sharp and getting a

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victory. And he's a very solid
prospect, a solid contender, I should

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say so. I think eventually that
might be an attractive fight for Lopez to

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try to avenge his loss to Via
and Via getting another title opportunity. I

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can absolutely see that fight happening,
and then they may also go the route

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where, you know, we just
want to make a good, exciting fight,

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but a fight where Lopez is probably
going to be the favorite. Look

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they promote Joet Gonzalez, who has
also come up short and some title fights,

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but he's always gives a great effort, always is in an exciting fight,

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and that would be a very fan
friendly kind of fight. I could

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see Top Rank looking to that direction. He's going to have options, whether

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it's a via a joet a unification
against Robesi Ramires, which obviously if that

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were to happen, it's probably a
ways away. And I say that because

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Robesi Ramirez is first headed to Japan
to defend his title on the undercard of

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the great matchup between In a Way
and Stephen Fulton. But suffice it to

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say, the top rank stable between
fighters at one hundred twenty six pounds or

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other fighters at one twenty two that
could come up and wait whatever, there

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are a lot of opportunities and options. I think for him, the other

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unification fights seem a little bit unlikely
for different reasons. You know, I

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don't think they're making a fight between
him and Lee Wood, although I would

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certainly embrace that. I mean,
you never know. I guess so that

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that's probably unlikely. And like I
said, robes He's got the WBO title

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and Lee Would Lee Wood come stateside
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know that Lee Wood would ever come
fight in Mexico, and I don't know

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the money would be there in Mexico. Would Lopez turn around and want to

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go back to the UK again for
a big pay Day and fight Lee would

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And again that's top rank against match
Room two. I'm sure that that,

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based on Lopez's comments prior to this
fight and after this fight, that this

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is a guy who was utterly fearless. He doesn't care about going to the

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hometown or wherever. I assume if
you pay him right, he'll go.

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Lee Wood coming to the United States
to fight him, I don't think Lee

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Wood would be fearful of that at
all. But he made it very clear

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what he wants in his post fight
There's not a big amount of money to

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come to the United States to fight, to fight Lopez. I just that

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seems a bit a bridge too far. Well, Lee Wood wants and we'll

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get to him, but he wants
the big city ground stadium fight where he

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lives in Nottingham. And he also
would like a unification. The other champion

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in the way class for what it's
worth, it is with PBC and that's

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Ray Vargas. And so I don't
know how makeable, If they've makeable is

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the right word, that would be
all right. So I'm to say if

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I had, if I'd have bet
something on it. When Lopez comes back,

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he's going to fight one of the
top ranked guys, probably not going

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to be a unification. In the
next fight, He's most likely going to

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fight one of their contenders, a
Joet urban Villa. And maybe I'm forgetting

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somebody, but I'm sure there's somebody
else that's that's there also. It's going

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to be that type of fight.
We'll see him on ESPN in a in

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a title defense. All right,
fair enough, So let's move to the

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Lee Wood victory over Mauricio Laura.
Now, you and I, we pulled

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the curtain back all the time on
this. You and I put the podcast

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bed on Thursday night overnight into Friday
for the preview, and we did not

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know, We did not have any
inkling that there was a weight problem looming

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with Mauricio Laura being significantly overweight the
week before the fight and the week of

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the fight, to the point that
we find out later Friday that the British

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Boxing Board of Control on Wednesday had
basically told him it is unsafe right now

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for you to try to cut all
the way down to one hundred and twenty

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six pounds. We're not gonna let
you, Mauricio Laura, be any any

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less than one hundred and twenty eight
and a half pounds or we're not gonna

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sanction this fight. We're not gonna
let it go forward. And so we

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didn't know that, so we put
this thing, we put this podcast to

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beether we do a tremendous job,
if I do say so myself, you

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and I previewing this thing, and
it turns out we have a weight debacle.

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W ei w e i GHT a
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t, a weight debacle to wait
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a weight debacle, all right.
So that unfolded while we were doing the

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live bet Us show in the hours
just before the live bet Us show on

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Friday. To make the wagers that
this would be a non title fight for

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Laura, he stripped the w BA
went ahead and stripped him on Friday,

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as they should have. So the
fight, the fight is only a title

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fight for Wood to win the title, which he did, all right,

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So let's get into it, and
in full disclosure from me again, in

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all the craziness, I didn't watch
this as closely as you did. I

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saw the back half of the fight
where honestly, Raphael Enlightness, all including

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me, it did not look like
from about the eighth round on when I

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was watching that, Mauricio Laura cared
very much anymore that he knew he had

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lost, He knew he was going
to lose a decision, and wasn't trying

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very hard. That was my perception
of that. It was Wood just doing

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whatever he wanted in terms about boxing
him. All Right, what are your

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thoughts with all of that being said
and what it looked like to you now

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that Wood has captured the decision and
gotten his title back. Well, I

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would say if you were watching him
from the beginning, it would have been

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your same perspective. After maybe about
two or three rounds. Look, Lee

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Wood, if you watched their first
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up until the moment when he got
knocked out by the left hook, he

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was handling Laura pretty well. He
was up on all three scorecards. I

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mean, he wasn't totally dominating,
but he clearly was winning more of the

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rounds. He might have had lost
maybe two rounds if you want to be

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super generous, maybe three rounds.
But the point was Lee was in control

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of the fight, and then he
got stopped when he got up from the

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knockdown and the trainer Ben Davis and
throw in the towel with six seconds left

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in the round um And there was
some criticism there, but Lee was fine

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with it. He's like, look, I knew I had a rematch.

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That was what Ben said. He
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We know we can get this back. They made some adjustments. You

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could tell the adjustments. You know, a lot of times I think fighters

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and trainers say that shit, but
they don't really know what the fuck they're

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talking about. They were there.
There's not really I mean, not that

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they don't know what they're talking about. That that it's sort of just it's

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just, uh, it's just words. It's a cliche thing to say we're

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going to make adjustments. But in
this particular fight, Lee Wood actually,

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in my opinion, did make adjustments. His right hand was up the whole

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fight. He was not gonna get
hit by that left hook with any kind

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of you know that he didn't see
coming. Like he like what happened in

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the first fight. He stayed committed
to the jab. They very very you

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know that they worked in this and
we said it after the fight that the

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jab to the body was a huge
asset for him. If you look at

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the way that fight unfolded, he
was very reliant on the jab, certainly

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to the body. Um again,
I don't we talked about copy box all

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the time. It's a good guy
to the fight. Lee landed roughly a

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third of his punches to the body
in the fight. Obviously that was not

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by accident, so he did.
He did make some adjustments and they worked.

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Lee is a superior boxer to Laura, and that showed. He is

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a little longer than Laura. That
showed. He kept him on the outside,

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but he fought him on the inside
when necessary. When the hooks came

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from Lara, he took them well
because he saw them as opposed to getting

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caught without seeing it, like what
happened in the first fight. And he

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also made Laura respect his power because
in round two he put him on his

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ass. So that was a big
moment in the fight also. And so

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in the end you have a guy
that has shown his power, His defense

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has been sound, his jab is
good. He kept a distance, he

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was a little bit taller, a
little bit longer. He kept him on

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the outside when he could. He
was willing to fight him on the inside.

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When necessary, and it discouraged Laura. And you know, some would

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say while he was drained from whatever
attempt he did try to make the weight

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even though he was over, maybe
he was flat disinterested because he lost a

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belt, etc. I don't there. That's a lot of you can say

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all that, and that's fine,
but at the end of the day,

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you get in the ring, you
do your job, and he did not

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do his job. And whether it
was because he was disinterested or because Leewood

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was kicking his ass, you know, I don't know for sure. What

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I do know is that Lee Wood
did a great job in that fight.

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He boxed very very well, He
showed toughness and he won going away.

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And when you can look at the
scorecard, agency one eighteen one o nine

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twice and one sixteen one eleven.
I thought one sixteen one eleven was awfully

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generous to to to Laura in this
fight. So for me, this was

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a huge win for Leewood. You
know, he took he never wavered on

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taking the rematch. You know,
we talked about it in the podcast interview

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that we played on the preview about
you know, taking this fight on just

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uh, you know what three months
like thirteen weeks the first fight after getting

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stopped. You know, Eddie Hearne
spoke about it before the fight and he

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said after the fight. Look,
Lee came to my office on the Monday

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after the first fight and like I
want the rematch, and he was with

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Ben and you know, and Eddie's
words, he goes, I thought he

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was mad. And I looked at
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you know, mad like as in
crazy, not in British terminology nuts exactly.

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wanted to do. So they you

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know, a voked the rematch.
Eddie will tell you he wanted would to

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just sit tidy or take a confidence
builder or some other fight. And what

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he wanted to do is he wanted
to do the third fight between Laura and

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Josh Warrington. That was what his
preference was. Um, now it looks

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like there's a good chance we'll see
Lee Wood against Warrington uh in the next

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fight. Now that's one of the
fights that he mentioned after afterwards, when

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he was asked what do you want, he wanted a couple of things.

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He said, he wants a big
fighted City Ground. City Ground is the

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big soccer stadium in Nottingham where their
local pro soccer team football team has played.

410
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:45,359
I looked it up, by the
way, the City Ground, that's

411
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,720
what is it. Are you talking
about Nottingham Forest, Yes, Forrest,

412
00:24:51,799 --> 00:24:56,200
Yes, Nottingham Forest FC football club
has played in that stadium since eighteen ninety

413
00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:00,920
eight. About that Seed stadium.
So he wants a boxing event there.

414
00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:04,519
He said it several times leading up
to the fight and several times after the

415
00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:07,240
fight. Eddie, I guess we'll
try to deliver it for him. Warrington

416
00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:10,880
could be the opponent for that fight
that obviously be a huge event for the

417
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,680
UK. And the other thing he
said was I want a unification fight.

418
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:18,039
He actually was asked like he asked
who won between Lopez and Laura. I

419
00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:21,920
mean, I mean Lopez and Conlin
because that fight, like you know,

420
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,799
had ended, you know, like
an hour or so or forty five minutes

421
00:25:23,839 --> 00:25:27,359
or whatever before in Lee Wood had
emerged as the victor in his fight,

422
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:30,720
So he'd like a unification. I
don't again, I don't know how realistic

423
00:25:30,759 --> 00:25:36,200
those are, but certainly the City
Ground against a Warrington type opponent, or

424
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,359
Warrington specifically, I would think is
very very doable. Warrington would be getting

425
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,680
another title shot. They're all with
nat Room, they're on the same broadcaster

426
00:25:42,839 --> 00:25:47,079
with his own. No reason why
that fight can't happen, So that would

427
00:25:47,079 --> 00:25:48,400
be a pretty big fight. Lee
said, Look, he's only got a

428
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,480
couple of fights left. He thinks
in his career. He's thirty four,

429
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,319
he's not getting any younger. You
know, he's he's having his best days.

430
00:25:55,319 --> 00:25:59,119
He considered that victory on Saturday.
He said it's his biggest win and

431
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,759
he's had some big wins. Listen, and Lee's a nice guy too.

432
00:26:03,799 --> 00:26:07,599
You know. It's fighters like that
are easy to root for in the ring

433
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,519
and out of the ring because they're
very pleasant, nice people. He's a

434
00:26:11,559 --> 00:26:14,960
hard work and devoted, dedicated guy
to his craft. You know, he

435
00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:18,119
was a guy that had taken some
upset losses in like British title level fights

436
00:26:18,519 --> 00:26:22,079
and nobody really ever gave him a
chance to be a world champion. And

437
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,599
you know that's the beauty of the
sports. Sometimes you see these guys and

438
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,079
they they're good fighters, but you
don't see them necessarily as world class,

439
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,880
top elite fighters in their division.
But what we think doesn't really mean anything.

440
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,319
It's what what is the fighter thing? What's the work? He's willing

441
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,799
to put in the adjustments. He's
willing to make the sacrifices. He's willing

442
00:26:40,839 --> 00:26:42,640
to make. Leewood did all of
that. He became a world champion.

443
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:47,759
He's got knocked out, he came
back, he beat the guy, avenged

444
00:26:47,799 --> 00:26:49,000
a loss. I mean, how
do you not like that story? He's

445
00:26:49,039 --> 00:26:52,160
a he's a good dude. He
makes a good fight and I was happy

446
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,759
to see it. Redemption for him. So he gets the victory. Art

447
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:02,680
does now by the way, Wow, And and he obviously embarrassed himself by

448
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:07,279
not training nearly hard enough and not
cutting the weight early enough for what went

449
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:11,799
on, and now took a one
sided defeat. We'll see what happens with

450
00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:15,559
him next. But I mean,
the weight situation notwithstanding, I mean,

451
00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:17,799
that's never a good thing. But
it's certainly not the first time a guy

452
00:27:17,839 --> 00:27:18,839
missed weight, even by that much, and it's not the last time.

453
00:27:19,319 --> 00:27:25,680
What was concerning was when you're in
that kind of fight, you still have

454
00:27:25,759 --> 00:27:29,559
to have some pride when the bell
rings and you want to you gotta try.

455
00:27:29,599 --> 00:27:33,359
I mean, we ask fans like
I don't get really too jacked up

456
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:34,559
of a guy loses, Like a
lot of people like, get crazy.

457
00:27:34,559 --> 00:27:37,720
Oh guy, he's exposed. He's
no good. This not because he lost

458
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,400
a fight. I've never had that
attitude. Guys, if you put in

459
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,279
two quality fighters in the ring,
or even not quality, someone's gonna win,

460
00:27:44,319 --> 00:27:47,440
someone's gonna lose, and the guy
that loses it it happens. The

461
00:27:47,799 --> 00:27:51,119
thing to me is if you lose, so be it. But where I

462
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,119
really draw the lines. If it
looks like you don't try or give a

463
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,720
shit, don't If you don't give
a shit, why am I wasting my

464
00:27:56,759 --> 00:28:00,079
time watching you? And I watched
Lara fight that fight against who wanted it

465
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,240
more than anything, and his opponent
didn't seem to give a shit. And

466
00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:07,839
that's what offended me, Not that
he lost, not even that he didn't

467
00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:10,920
make the contract situation with the weight
and got stripped and all that. I

468
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,039
mean, it's not good. But
what offended me, as a fan who

469
00:28:14,079 --> 00:28:18,319
spends my time and money watching and
reporting, is if you don't try,

470
00:28:19,519 --> 00:28:23,759
you know, that's that's offensive to
me. And it didn't feel like Mauriceo

471
00:28:23,839 --> 00:28:27,839
lare really in any way try.
You know, there was even less energy

472
00:28:27,839 --> 00:28:30,759
in his corner like you figure,
okay, the corner they know he's losing.

473
00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:33,960
They know he's getting his rear end, you know, knocked around.

474
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,359
And it wasn't like he was getting
beat up. He was just losing the

475
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,519
fight. You know he's getting beat
up. That's a different story. There

476
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,400
was no urgency in that corner at
any point that I could detect. And

477
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,680
when he went out for a round
twelve, you'd have thought he was in

478
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,200
like the third round of like a
life. So fair to say they had

479
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,599
checked out as a team and he
checked out as a fighter, probably because

480
00:28:52,599 --> 00:28:55,160
of the way in stuff. He
knew he was getting stripped, he knew

481
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,279
he was getting fined for what happened, and he knew he was losing.

482
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,400
He knew. I don't know if
battling a match, I can't speak to

483
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,559
a fine, but what I can
tell you this is, if you can't

484
00:29:03,599 --> 00:29:06,160
make one twenty six and you're no
longer have your title and you're going to

485
00:29:06,279 --> 00:29:10,279
go to one thirty, now you
got to kind of start over. Laura's

486
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,400
cachet was he was this knockout guy
at featherweight that kind of came out of

487
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:15,319
nowhere, and now he's kind of
got to start over. Now. That's

488
00:29:15,359 --> 00:29:18,720
not to say there won't be opportunities
for him. At one thirty, he

489
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,440
shows he actually wants to get back
in the ring and be a real fighter.

490
00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:27,559
So that was as as as as
tremendous and as heartwarming and as excellent

491
00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:33,759
as Lee Wood was on that day. It was the opposite for Mauricio Lara.

492
00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:37,480
Super disappointing. You know, at
least with Conlin the other featherweight title

493
00:29:37,519 --> 00:29:41,079
fight, you can't say he didn't
try or he didn't try. I think

494
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,599
Michael was in there try. He
just happened to get out gunned and lost

495
00:29:44,599 --> 00:29:47,920
a fight. But there's nothing to
be ashamed of in Michael's case. But

496
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,640
Laura, you know, he didn't. He didn't he didn't give it an

497
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,680
effort, and that was disappointing.
All Right, the rest of that undercard

498
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,759
real quick, and then we'll move
on to the other action. Jack Catterall

499
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:03,759
was finally back after his controversy your
loss over a year ago to Josh Taylor.

500
00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:06,759
He won in the co feature fight. And also Terry Harper. We

501
00:30:06,759 --> 00:30:10,400
didn't really talk about this a lot
in the preview mode, but Terry Harper,

502
00:30:11,079 --> 00:30:17,319
the women's WBA Junior Middleweight champion,
had her fight with Cecilia break Who's

503
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,200
last week called off on the morning
of the fight because Brake Who's was sick.

504
00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:25,400
They were able to put her on
this show in Manchester and she did

505
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:30,279
win by ten round decision over her
filling opponent, Ivana Habazen. Okay,

506
00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:33,519
so those two fights were on the
undercard. Anything of note they're coming out

507
00:30:33,519 --> 00:30:37,279
of both of those, my friend, Well as it relates to Terry Harper,

508
00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:41,240
I mean, you got to appreciate
the difficult situations. She's made,

509
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,799
the weight, she's gone to bed, She's waking up on Saturday morning to

510
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,000
be prepared to go in there and
box against one of the all time greatest

511
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,440
women whoever put loves on in Cecilia
Break who's in defense of her title,

512
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,880
finds out the fight is off,
and at that moment there's you don't know

513
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,400
for sure. I mean, am
I fighting? I'm done? I mean

514
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:02,440
I'm bummed out. I'm not getting
paid, blah blah blah. Fortunately a

515
00:31:02,599 --> 00:31:07,880
Matt Room had this event one week
later. They were able to somehow salvage

516
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:08,839
it. And by the way,
when they got habiz in, they got

517
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,960
a really equality opponent in her.
It's not like she's a bump. She's

518
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,079
bought for the title. She's been
one of the better women's fighters for quite

519
00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:18,079
a while. She must have been
in the gym and you know, at

520
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,920
least close to the weight. And
I was just gonna say, sometimes your

521
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,799
best ability is your availability. She
must have been working out and on weight

522
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:30,079
because she only had six days to
basically make weight at the women's junior middle

523
00:31:30,079 --> 00:31:33,839
weight. But it's also you gotta
you know, for Terry Harper, from

524
00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:37,319
the mental perspective of, okay,
now you got to like reprogram yourself and

525
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,200
think I'm going back in, think
about another opponent, a different event.

526
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,519
But because she'd already made the weight, now you got to somehow hold the

527
00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:47,480
weight for a week. Now.
Obviously she didn't stay on one hundred and

528
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,880
fifty four or whatever. She was
sure higher seven days, but you got

529
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,519
to be a little bit careful about
that. So but she was a pro.

530
00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:57,440
Habism was a pro. They put
on a decent fight. Terry Harper

531
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,839
won the fight pretty handily on the
scuorecard, you know, eight to two

532
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,599
on two of the cards and seven
to three. But uh, you know,

533
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,960
I just give a tip of the
hat to everybody involved to be able

534
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,200
to save the fight. Hopefully brecous
heels, you know, gets better and

535
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,920
they can do that fight at some
point later in the year, which is

536
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,279
what Terry Harper indicated. Uh,
and Eddie said they might try to do

537
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:20,000
um So hopefully that works out.
So they were able to save that that

538
00:32:20,079 --> 00:32:22,279
fight, so good for them.
And as far as Jack Catterall go,

539
00:32:22,319 --> 00:32:25,480
has been a long time coming.
We've we've documented you know, his uh,

540
00:32:25,759 --> 00:32:29,640
his situation. He hadn't fought for
fifteen months. He had the big

541
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:34,119
fight for undisputed against Josh Taylor,
hugely controversial. A lot of people thought

542
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,880
that that, uh that certainly Catterall
should have got the victory. Uh,

543
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,839
he didn't get the victory in any
event, but they tried multiple times to

544
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,400
make the rematch. It was on, it was off. There was postponements

545
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,720
because of network issues in England,
there was issues with COVID related stuff.

546
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,119
There was injuries, there was this
a lot of different things that happened.

547
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,960
And finally when the when the last
thing that happened, which was an injury

548
00:32:53,319 --> 00:32:57,960
to Josh Taylor's foot, and it
was going to be another X number of

549
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,880
months before the fight was going to
be rescheduled. The Dubbo which by that

550
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:05,559
time was the only belt left that
Josh Taylor had which he had allowed himself

551
00:33:05,559 --> 00:33:08,279
to be stripped or vacated all the
other titles because he wanted to have the

552
00:33:08,319 --> 00:33:12,759
rematch with Jack to sort of set
the record straight because he had taken so

553
00:33:12,839 --> 00:33:15,079
much criticism, even though it shouldn't
be directed at him since he's not the

554
00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:19,319
guy doing the scoring in any event. Finally, when that foot injury occurred,

555
00:33:19,319 --> 00:33:22,920
in was going to postpone the fight
for another several months. The WBO

556
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,680
stepped in and said enough is enough, and they ordered the mandatory fight for

557
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:30,720
him again for Josh against Tiafimo Lopez, which will take place next month.

558
00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:37,359
So now Jack hatterallas stuck. He
finally he parts with his promoter. He

559
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,440
signs with Eddie. This was the
first fight of that new contract. He

560
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:44,400
goes in there and he beats a
Derek Foley, dropped him a couple of

561
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,400
times, wins a clear decision,
you know, pretty wide, but got

562
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,960
in good work after being out for
so long. And now the real possibility

563
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,880
exists that with the victory it could
set him up for age shot later this

564
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,119
year against Regis Progress. Now that
is not a guarantee. I don't think,

565
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,720
because for small Regis has his fight
coming up in June. If he

566
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:07,960
wins that fight, there's going to
be probably two excellent possibilities for him within

567
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,559
the top, within the within the
top fighters that are with match Room in

568
00:34:10,559 --> 00:34:15,480
that way lass one will be Jack
Catterall and the other one will be the

569
00:34:15,519 --> 00:34:20,760
winner of the fight between Richards and
Hitchens and Montana Love. So that's gonna

570
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,960
probably be left up to what does
Regis and his team what do they think

571
00:34:24,039 --> 00:34:28,960
is best for them, And it'll
be up to Eddie Hearn to present him

572
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,960
with offers, and you know,
whichever one probably can pay him the most

573
00:34:31,039 --> 00:34:35,000
or make it the biggest event will
probably be the one that he would take.

574
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,880
So but but Jack Catterall is back
in business, um, and uh,

575
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,800
you know, good for him.
He got a good he got a

576
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:45,000
good shake off the rush, win
against a decent opponent, took care of

577
00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:47,719
business and he puts himself in a
great position and welcome back Jack Catterall.

578
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:52,000
Understood on that. Again, we
percolate a long here on the fight for

579
00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:57,559
each Unite recap so in the chronology
and again in fairness for both of us,

580
00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:00,320
because as I admitted to you,
before I didn't get to see a

581
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,920
lot of the beginning of the Lee
Wood fight. As it turns out,

582
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,599
you were not able to monitor a
lot of the Chris Billham Smith Lawrence o'coley

583
00:35:07,639 --> 00:35:09,960
fight, because again, that was
going on in the Sandwich in between Michael

584
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,880
Conlin's win, which you were trying
to write about post fight, and then

585
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:19,800
the Lee Wood fight beginning. So
I was locked in on billham Smith and

586
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,079
that fight. What a tremendous battle
in Bournemouth, England, on the coastal

587
00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:30,039
town where Billiam Smith is from,
where Lawrence o'coley, unbeaten WBO cruiserweight champion,

588
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:31,880
was putting his title on the line
against his good friend. I mean,

589
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,880
this was well out there as part
of the narrative. They had sparred

590
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,760
together, they're good friends. Now
they're in the ring fighting, and this

591
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:45,599
one had drama with billham Smith a
significant underdog, scoring a fourth round knockdown

592
00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:49,519
on o'coley and Dan Raphael he had
him in real trouble to potentially stop him,

593
00:35:49,559 --> 00:35:52,960
and the crowd is roaring in that
stadium, Vitality Stadium in Bournemouth,

594
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:58,440
a fifteen thousand or eighteen thousand seat
soccer stadium. It was roaring and it

595
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,239
looked like it might have been a
stoppage day. Then o'coley seemed to recover

596
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,400
a little bit, but one thing
he kept doing through the whole fight was

597
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,480
clutching and grabbing. After he threw
the big right hand, he'd throw the

598
00:36:07,559 --> 00:36:10,280
right hand, and it was hug
time. He'd throw the right hand,

599
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:15,760
it was clinched time. And finally
the controversial referee, Marcus McDonald had had

600
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,679
enough and took a point away and
continued to warn him stop holding him,

601
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,519
stop holding him. And then later
in the fight he took another point away

602
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:28,639
for too much holding. Now we
have drama for a possible decision, and

603
00:36:28,679 --> 00:36:32,000
then we have a couple of billam
Smith knockdowns late in the fight. The

604
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:37,239
first one was kind of questionable Dan
in the tenth round, where was it

605
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,440
more of a gazing, grazing blow. But again o'coley is trying to grab

606
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,719
on. He's off balance all the
time. Was it a punch? Not

607
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,760
sure right, the referee ruled down
a knockdown. Then in the eleventh it

608
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,480
is a knockdown. It's a clean
left that drops him stumbling forward. So

609
00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:58,159
now the crowd is roaring Bill him
Smith finishes off what looks like a fairly

610
00:36:58,199 --> 00:37:01,119
easy win because the referee, Dan
Rayfield is called not one, not two,

611
00:37:01,199 --> 00:37:06,760
but three official knockdowns and has taken
off not one, but two penalty

612
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,920
points for holding on o'coley. Now, I know I went to public school

613
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:14,480
math and you ridicule me, but
that's five. That's five points right there,

614
00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:17,920
ter in this decision. Five.
I went to public school. Also,

615
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,480
I understand that. I mean,
even even with my non private school

616
00:37:22,559 --> 00:37:27,239
education, my higher learning a math
tutor, that's five points. That's what

617
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,639
that means is that the judge that
well, just say what the judges' scores

618
00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:35,480
work. I'm looking here. Here
we go one sixteen, one oh seven

619
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,599
in favor of Billan Smith, one
fifteen one a wait in favor of Billan

620
00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:42,480
Smith, and then one twelve one
twelve. But here's the thing. That

621
00:37:42,599 --> 00:37:47,079
means that if my math is correct, that means that o'cole, in all

622
00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:50,880
of the rounds that didn't have a
knockdown or a point deduction, he won.

623
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,199
Right. Okay, so let's delve
into this. I got you here

624
00:37:53,199 --> 00:37:55,679
on this so we have think that
I don't I know, but I'm ready

625
00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,320
to help because I wrote about this
on Big Fight Weekend dot com plug right

626
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,559
there. So these three judges,
this is interesting and this is important and

627
00:38:04,039 --> 00:38:07,519
this is why you love the recap
podcast. So the judges are Mark Williams,

628
00:38:07,559 --> 00:38:13,320
who is a referee and a judge
in Brittany's an English referee judge,

629
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,079
Bob Williams. I'm sorry, keep
me straight, Bob Williams. He had

630
00:38:17,079 --> 00:38:22,000
refereed the co feature fight just before
that and then he sat down to judge.

631
00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:25,920
And this this happens a lot in
Britain with referees alternating as judges in

632
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:31,039
these fight cards. So Bob Williams
sat down to now judge the main event

633
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:37,320
and he judged it, I believe, properly and scored it properly, and

634
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,599
in his case because of the math. Again we go over the math of

635
00:38:40,679 --> 00:38:44,639
him having it one sixteen to one
oh seven. That's eight to four.

636
00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:47,159
He had one fifteen one away,
right, keep me straight on this.

637
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:52,960
So he had it seven to five
for billham Smith and he properly took the

638
00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:57,400
five points away from o'coley for three
knockdowns and two points off. That's why

639
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,599
it's not one fifteen, one thirteen. We're good there. All right.

640
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:05,760
The next judge in this case is
a female judge, and I want to

641
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,599
get I want to get this all
right. Uh. In her case,

642
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:15,400
she had refereed some She's a judge
of German descent, and that's Diane Milani.

643
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:22,639
Milani had previously refereed one world title
fight involving Natasha Jonas and scored it

644
00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:25,199
for Jonas on an unanimous decision.
This was the second world title fight she's

645
00:39:25,199 --> 00:39:30,239
ever worked, and she's fine,
she's fine with the math. Here we

646
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:36,079
go with math again on what we're
scoring one sixteen one O seven, which

647
00:39:36,119 --> 00:39:39,239
is six to eight to four,
five points off. All right. Now

648
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:44,920
we get to the American judge,
Benjamin Rodriguez. And as much as boxing

649
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,519
fan in this country wants to go
crazy on the Dave Moretti scoring last week

650
00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:53,239
of David Haney and Vasili Lomachenko,
how do you get to one twelve one

651
00:39:53,440 --> 00:40:00,440
twelve, which the indication there again
is he believes o'kole. And again we're

652
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,800
not privy to look at the scorecards. We haven't seen the scorecards, the

653
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:08,119
exact cards, but we're taking this
with clues that if he gave billam Smith

654
00:40:08,199 --> 00:40:13,440
only one hundred and twelve points on
his card. He's got it eight to

655
00:40:13,559 --> 00:40:17,239
four for o'coley because billam Smith didn't
get knocked down or seriously hurt or points

656
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:21,840
taken away in any of the rounds. So that means the American judge Benjamin

657
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:27,039
Rodriguez, who's based out of Northern
Illinois, who referees primarily in Wisconsin and

658
00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:30,440
Northern Illinois. I looked him up
through box Wreck. He had only refereed

659
00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:32,760
one other world title fight earlier this
year in Japan. It was a second

660
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:37,440
round knockout by Jerusalem, the fighter
that lost on Saturday night at the Golden

661
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,239
Boys show, so his card didn't
mean anything. In the Japanese fight he

662
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:45,599
traveled to Japan, there was a
second round knockout, so Benjamin Rodriguez,

663
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:51,960
Benjamin Rodriguez did not deduct five points
from o'coley, but the three knockdowns and

664
00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:57,519
the two points deducted for holding.
Otherwise he would have had one twelve one

665
00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:00,760
eleven, not one twelve one twelve
and the other incredible thing. But that

666
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,480
means I guess that means that he
probably had a couple of ten ten rounds.

667
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,679
He maybe I've had a ten ten
round and to me again, you

668
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:07,880
and I've gone over this. You
shouldn't have ten ten rounds if you're a

669
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:14,159
championship judge. Score one rounds are
okay, but not okay to me,

670
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,320
score winner. You're in a championship
fight, score winner. The you just

671
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:21,239
don't know the rules of boxing's not
saying. I'm not saying it's not allowed

672
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,000
within the rules. I'm saying that
you should, as a championship judge,

673
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:28,360
tell me who won that round.
If one fighter is more aggressive, then

674
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,400
give it to him. But you
have to be honest about it. And

675
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:36,239
there are times I'm not is that
case, but there's absolutely times where a

676
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,400
ten time round is most of the
time, that's when you have an opening

677
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:45,880
round. Get to know you,
nothing happens, there's like one punch landed

678
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,639
by one guy, two punch landed
by the other guy. Nothing happened,

679
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,000
and like it's a ten ten round. Okay. When I scored town round,

680
00:41:52,159 --> 00:41:55,760
which is like two or three times
a year, that's basically the reason.

681
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,519
So I'm not I mean again,
I can't speak to I haven't seen

682
00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:02,719
the round round of mister Rodriguez's square
card yet, but I do not say

683
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,400
that a ten ten round is like
illegal. If you feel like you need

684
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,480
to use it, you do it. But it should be sparingly all right.

685
00:42:08,519 --> 00:42:12,840
And again I haven't seen his card
either, but we have five points

686
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,920
in question here in five separate rounds
you get you can't you can't get him

687
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:21,199
to one twelve with the five points
taken off. He should be at one

688
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,119
eleven. And again this should be
scrutinized. Here we go back to accountability

689
00:42:24,159 --> 00:42:30,480
the British Boxing Board of Control,
the WBO. This referee because Chris Billham

690
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,599
Smith easily won six or seven rounds
of that fight to only be given four

691
00:42:34,679 --> 00:42:37,639
rounds three of him. He had
knockdowns in two other ones that was a

692
00:42:37,679 --> 00:42:40,360
point taken away, but he got
to win, did get to win.

693
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,119
But this, this judge should be
scrutinized. And I wrote about it again

694
00:42:44,119 --> 00:42:47,559
on Big Fight Weekend dot Com read
about it more because the other two judges

695
00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:51,719
had it much more in line and
took the five points off. With this

696
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,400
America and it's an American judge in
Britain that did this, there should be

697
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,800
real questions about whether he should be
judging anymore world title fights. I'm looking

698
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,800
like this more from the big picture
of how disappointing. Lawrence o'cle he was,

699
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:06,239
okay, Yes, the coal is
bliss with all kinds of physical talent.

700
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,519
He's a very good boxer. He's
got underrated punching power and he didn't

701
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:12,960
use any of it. And when
we talk, so let me let me

702
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,559
say this, I think two thanks, say I think two thanks happened.

703
00:43:15,679 --> 00:43:19,400
He was controlling the beginning of the
fight. He had billam Smith backing up,

704
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,920
and then he got caught in the
fourth round with the left hook,

705
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,480
and from there I think he was
cautious. I think he was tentative about

706
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,039
getting countered with the left. It
was a different fight, Dan, So

707
00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:30,800
go ahead. Well, what I
was gonna say about about his whole career,

708
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:35,159
basically, not just this one particular
bout, is that he's always sort

709
00:43:35,159 --> 00:43:37,599
of been safety first. If he
can go get you, because he's got

710
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,719
no fear of what's coming back,
he'll get you out of there like he's

711
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:45,360
done with some lesser a type of
compe opponents in these faces. But he's

712
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,119
like when you talk about the clutch
and grab. Like I said, I

713
00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:51,159
didn't see the full fight, but
I saw enough to understand what a coal

714
00:43:51,199 --> 00:43:52,599
he's about. I've seen him fight
in other fights. Also, the clutch

715
00:43:52,639 --> 00:43:55,679
and grab is absolutely maddening. It's
like he's like the British version of John

716
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,800
Ruiz throw the shot grab on.
I mean, I sat through a lot

717
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,480
of the terrible genre he's fights during
his day. Um, it's almost like

718
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:07,360
he doesn't trust himself. Like he
knows he's got the power, he knows

719
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,000
he's got the size advantage, he
knows he's got the reach advantage, he's

720
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:15,559
definitely got the technical advantage, and
he's like scared that he that he can't

721
00:44:15,679 --> 00:44:21,320
utilize it, Like he doesn't really
understand his own physical gifts in a man.

722
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,239
In a weird way, it's almost
like like like he's never been properly

723
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:30,960
trained to utilize what he has,
or that he hasn't grown into his own

724
00:44:30,039 --> 00:44:34,519
body yet, Like he doesn't understand
that he's as big as he is and

725
00:44:34,559 --> 00:44:37,199
as long as he is, and
as tall as he is and as powerful

726
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,280
as he is. Uh, and
you know that's on him and his team.

727
00:44:40,519 --> 00:44:45,480
And in a good desire, he
was there too. He didn't want

728
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,360
to disappoint in front of those fans
that we're all cheering for him. He's

729
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,000
got a big heart. He had
that big gash over his eye, and

730
00:44:52,119 --> 00:44:55,280
uh, you know he was kind
of like I feel like his mentality from

731
00:44:55,360 --> 00:45:00,119
Bill and Smith in that fight to
become a world champion was I'm not going

732
00:45:00,199 --> 00:45:01,800
to be denied. And if you
ever watched Chris billones been earlier in his

733
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:06,840
career, which I saw him fight
on some of these undercard fights that I

734
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,000
have seen from Britain, you know
he was, in my perspective, was

735
00:45:09,079 --> 00:45:14,079
exciting fighter, you know, hard
worker, not really championship material, to

736
00:45:14,159 --> 00:45:16,440
be honest, and uh, you
know again it goes back to Lake Leewood.

737
00:45:17,039 --> 00:45:20,840
You know, he believed it and
he did it. Good for him,

738
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,480
congratulations And it was interesting to hear
sugar Hill Steward in the corner with

739
00:45:24,559 --> 00:45:28,079
o'coley like in the ninth round.
In the tenth round, he knew this

740
00:45:28,119 --> 00:45:30,760
was big trouble because the points had
been taken away, and especially after the

741
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:36,320
tenth round when there was another knockdown
scored, he was emphatically f bombs flying

742
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,119
with the coverage on Sky Sports apologizing
for the f bombs flying, trying to

743
00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:42,719
get Laurence o'coley to get him out
of there. Knock I mean it was

744
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:47,679
almost like Emmanuel Stewart, knock this
effort out, go for it. Stewart's

745
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,519
nephew, that is correct. He
was. He was imploring him the same

746
00:45:51,559 --> 00:45:55,159
way, get him out of there
because he knew we're probably behind, except

747
00:45:55,199 --> 00:45:59,920
of course on Rodriguez's card, which
was either with or without a blindfold,

748
00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:04,079
I don't know. But in any
event, Billham Smith gets to win two

749
00:46:04,159 --> 00:46:07,400
more heartwarming parts of this again with
the crowd roaring behind him. His mother

750
00:46:07,559 --> 00:46:12,440
is suffering and dying from breast cancer
Dan. He admitted this in the build

751
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,920
up to the fight. He dedicated
the fight after the fight to his mom.

752
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,159
He's in tears in the ring about
his mom. My mom got to

753
00:46:17,199 --> 00:46:21,960
see me be a world champion.
And he has a one year old whose

754
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,000
birthday was Friday, the day before
the fight. He says, what a

755
00:46:24,039 --> 00:46:28,320
birthday present from my little guy.
I got this belt. Now we're gonna

756
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,440
play with the belt. How cool
is that these guys they go out there

757
00:46:31,519 --> 00:46:35,639
and take these punches, Dan,
for our enjoyment, or for what we

758
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,599
do for a living or whatever.
But they're human beings. And billam Smith

759
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:43,519
what a moment in his hometown to
have a mom dying, to have a

760
00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:46,039
little infant and he wins a world
title. Great story, one final time,

761
00:46:46,079 --> 00:46:49,719
Just great story, yeah, you
know. And the thing about it

762
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,559
is he's probably gonna have to faight
Laurence Occoli a second time and they are,

763
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:58,840
yeah, the rematch clause. And
that's the downside of boxing. If

764
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,280
I'm coolie, I'm trying to make
sure that's not in born of it.

765
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:04,119
The game with the roaring crowd and
everything against me. Have to fight somewhere

766
00:47:04,119 --> 00:47:09,199
else if you can't take the shot
and you're gonna grab on and hold constantly,

767
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,960
it doesn't matter where the fight takes
place. I mean, Lawrence o

768
00:47:13,039 --> 00:47:15,239
cole has to and I mean,
I'm sure sugar Hill has worked with him

769
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:21,280
on these types of things, but
it just doesn't feel like he understands what

770
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,280
he is. He just he thinks
he's the different kind of fighter than he

771
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:27,519
actually displays in the ring, and
it's it's kind of maddening to watch.

772
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,880
And I'm just listening. I mean, I thought that o'coley would win the

773
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,840
fight, and I'm not like unhappy
that that Bill and Smiths won the fight.

774
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:38,000
But Lawrence of cole is a very
maddening fighter because the skills and the

775
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:43,519
abilities are there. My biggest question
about him is not his physical attributes and

776
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,599
can he do it? It's really
what's going on in his head, that's

777
00:47:45,639 --> 00:47:51,199
right, And sometimes in sports in
general, boxing specifically, it is the

778
00:47:51,199 --> 00:47:53,000
difference between the years, the mental
aspect of the game. What happens when

779
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,880
there's adversity, what happens when you
question yourself? Do you train hard enough

780
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:00,480
in boxing? Do you have confidence
at the plate in baseball? Whenever you

781
00:48:00,519 --> 00:48:02,840
want to talk about I mean,
I've always said, I've always said when

782
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,880
when When the choice is, if
you had a choice, and you are

783
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,519
a promoter or a manager, you're
signing fighters, which would you rather have

784
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:15,920
the guy with the A plus pound
for pound talent but the not so great

785
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:19,679
head or a work ethic where the
guy with the B talent but the I'm

786
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,559
gonna outwork every single person that there
is and has that mentality that I'm not

787
00:48:22,599 --> 00:48:27,079
gonna be denied. Give me the
guy with the B talent and the ethic,

788
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,679
then the other way around every single
time, And probably the guy with

789
00:48:29,679 --> 00:48:30,960
the B talent is the one that
won this fight. I don't think there's

790
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:35,159
probably he was. And then there's
then there's the guys that which is the

791
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,079
guys with the A plus work ethic
and you know, like a Mayweather with

792
00:48:38,159 --> 00:48:42,840
the A plus talent. That's the
best kind of fighter you could have,

793
00:48:43,199 --> 00:48:45,760
you know, no doubt Canello in
the present day name. I'm all right,

794
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,519
So there we go. All right, So there's the wrap up on

795
00:48:47,559 --> 00:48:51,559
the w BO Cruiserway. Time to
fight and Okoli, look was very gracious

796
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:52,199
after it was over. He said, hey, he beat me, he

797
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,320
beat me, and we'll do this
again. We'll have it. We'll have

798
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,920
a rematch and maybe that rematches before
the end of this year coming up.

799
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:00,960
All right, let's finish up on
the recaps with the Golden Boys Show,

800
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:07,599
which did see a world title win
for Oscar Colazzo as he captures the WBO's

801
00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:10,079
Trawlway title and made history. Dan
Raphael, you love the history and the

802
00:49:10,119 --> 00:49:16,199
nostalgia. Seven professional fights, the
quickest ever Puerto Rican world champion, seventh

803
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:21,639
pro fight. He gets the win
on the undercard Alexis Rocha then wins the

804
00:49:21,679 --> 00:49:24,559
main event as a welterweight contender on
the Golden Boys Show in front of a

805
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:30,199
raucous crowd that the Fantasy Springs Casino
in Indio, California. It was a

806
00:49:30,199 --> 00:49:32,360
pro Roacha crowd. They were roaring
he got the knockout. All right,

807
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:37,000
Your thoughts on the Golden Boy card
to wrap up the recaps here, Well,

808
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,199
I mean, that's Rocha's home base, that's where his fans are.

809
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:42,719
They were all out there for him
for the most part. And look when

810
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,840
Roacha was first coming up, I
watched him a few times, and you

811
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:46,840
know, the Golden Boy people would
hype him up, and I'm like,

812
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,960
I mean, I don't know if
I see I see an exciting guy.

813
00:49:51,039 --> 00:49:52,800
I mean, I see a guy
that's good to watch and maybe he can

814
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,599
get to, you know, a
certain level, be ranked and that sort

815
00:49:55,639 --> 00:49:59,480
of thing. Do I see a
future world champion? I am not so

816
00:49:59,519 --> 00:50:01,239
sure about that, I have to
I have to say though. Over his

817
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:05,360
recent fights, granted, part of
it's because of the type of matches he's

818
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,400
been facing, but he's kind of
he's starting to grow on me a little

819
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,559
bit. TI. I mean,
he's getting better. It feels like to

820
00:50:09,559 --> 00:50:13,199
me he's doing what he's supposed to
do. The one loss he had,

821
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,480
which is in twenty and twenty,
he loss a very uh you know,

822
00:50:15,559 --> 00:50:19,639
competitive decision to Rashitty Ellis, who
was a very good boxer. That was

823
00:50:19,679 --> 00:50:22,440
when Roshit. He also was with
Golden Boy. Ellis has since gone on

824
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,280
and had the loss earlier in the
year on the Tank Davis undercard, but

825
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,719
still a good he was a good
amateur. He's still got a lot of

826
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:30,800
good skills. But since that time
in twenty twenty, Rocha a couple of

827
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:36,119
things. He stayed busy. They've
had him fighting regularly and he's come up

828
00:50:36,119 --> 00:50:37,480
with some solid wins. He you
know, he has the knockout against Blair

829
00:50:37,519 --> 00:50:40,480
Cobbs, he has the the It
wasn't that there's a great opponent, but

830
00:50:40,519 --> 00:50:44,360
their previous fight against Georgia She where
he put him down. I think that

831
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,800
was like a face first knockout.
He goes in there against Anthony Young,

832
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,360
who was maybe not a world beater, but certainly not a bum. I

833
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,880
mean it was a good amateur in
his own right and only had a couple

834
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,239
of losses. You know, pretty
solid guy. But but Alexis Rocha,

835
00:50:55,719 --> 00:51:00,360
who is sitting there as the WBO's
number one mandatory for Terence Crawford's belt.

836
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:07,320
Before Terence Crawford and the Errol Spence
people could finalize the deal for the undisputed

837
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:13,199
title. The WBO and the Crawford
people had conversation with Golden Boy and the

838
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,760
ROACHA team about you know not you
know, because remember that fight had been

839
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:21,079
ordered by the w BO, but
everybody backed off. I think that everybody

840
00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:22,639
on Team Roacha and Golden Boy felt
like, you know what, We're not

841
00:51:22,679 --> 00:51:25,000
going to go mess up this megafight. And by the way, our guy

842
00:51:25,039 --> 00:51:29,320
still needs a little bit more seasoning, so we're gonna get him a couple

843
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,119
of more fights. We'll step aside, and uh, if we get a

844
00:51:31,159 --> 00:51:35,039
chance to fight the winner of Errol
Spence against Crawford, great, If we

845
00:51:35,079 --> 00:51:37,480
don't, will fight for a vacant
title and maybe he can put together a

846
00:51:37,519 --> 00:51:40,960
little bit of a run. So
but the bottom line is every time now

847
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:45,400
Rocha steps in the ring, he
is risking that mandatory status to fight for

848
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:46,880
a world title. So he had
that on his mind. Not on his

849
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:51,960
mind, but certainly there was in
terms of a factor in fight. Who

850
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,039
lose your mandatory spot is gone.
But listen, Rocha win in there against

851
00:51:55,360 --> 00:52:00,760
a pretty decent opponent in Anthony Young
and absolutely tore him apart. Looked,

852
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,440
I thought, looked probably as good
as he looked frankly, Roacher just beat

853
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,360
him up, knocked him down,
you know, wrote to Young's credit,

854
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,760
he got up, he was,
he was he wanted to continue, but

855
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,920
he just the referee, which is
Thomas Taylor, who's probably in one of

856
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,880
the best referees in boxing m made
them made their appropriate stoppage. And it's

857
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,320
just another good win for Roachi.
He's exciting, he's got a fan base,

858
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,400
he's coming into his own in terms
of his talent, and he's going

859
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:29,039
to get an opportunity, whether it's
against the winner of the fight between Terrence

860
00:52:29,079 --> 00:52:31,519
Crawford and Arrow Spence, or it's
going to be for a vacant title.

861
00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:36,480
At some point, this kid's gonna
get the opportunity. And then Golden Boy

862
00:52:36,519 --> 00:52:39,760
has done a very good job moving
him, keeping him busy. He comes

863
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:44,400
in good condition. He by all
accounts as a hard worker, and he's

864
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:45,280
not you know, he's only twenty
five years old. It's not like this

865
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,480
is an old guy. He's got
plenty of years left. He hasn't really

866
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:52,400
taken punishment. Good puncher, just
like I said the one close loss to

867
00:52:52,039 --> 00:52:57,760
Rashidi Ellis. You know, Golden
Boy does not have a ton of top

868
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,920
names that are headlining type of guy, but Rocha of the of the guys

869
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:05,199
they do have, and I'm talking
about guys like Virgil Ortiz obviously, Ryan

870
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,239
Garcia, a Zerdo Ramirez, those
types of guys. You gotta put Alexis

871
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:13,800
Rocha in that spot now because he
makes exciting fights, He's a bonified contender,

872
00:53:14,199 --> 00:53:15,559
and he's gonna fight for a world
title. He brings a crowd.

873
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,440
I mean, he pretty much checks
a lot of the boxes you want from

874
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,960
your fighters fair enough. And again, if I don't know how much you

875
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:28,119
want to give on Collazo winning the
WBO straw weight or minimum weight title fight

876
00:53:28,159 --> 00:53:32,760
and again makes history as he gets
the stoppage with Jerusalem injured to the body.

877
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:37,559
Colazzo was taking it to him to
the body in this fight and gets

878
00:53:37,559 --> 00:53:39,480
the stoppage on the stool. Anything
else on that in the recap mode,

879
00:53:39,639 --> 00:53:44,239
I mean, just listen. Colazo
may have only had the six fights going

880
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:45,760
into this matchup, but I think
that a lot of people favored him to

881
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:50,320
win, even though Jerusalem was much
more experienced. Klazo was a top notch

882
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:54,159
amateur. You know, he's been
fighting real fights pretty much since he you

883
00:53:54,199 --> 00:53:58,599
know, maybe the first two or
three fights. He didn't fight anybody particularly

884
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,159
solid. But from the time he
got to like about his like the fourth,

885
00:54:01,199 --> 00:54:06,079
fifth, six fights, he was
fighting like legitimate guys like he you

886
00:54:06,119 --> 00:54:07,960
know, he wasn't on that Lomachenko
track where you're fighting, you know,

887
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:13,079
a legitimate tenure pro debut and then
a world telling your second fight. But

888
00:54:13,639 --> 00:54:16,760
he was fighting real fighters, you
know, in the very early stages of

889
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:21,079
his career, after just like literally
like two or three fights. And here's

890
00:54:21,079 --> 00:54:22,320
the thing though, about the straw
weight division, and if you can go

891
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:27,639
back and look through history, guys
who fight in that small weight class typically

892
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,360
move a little bit quicker. So
the fact that he was matched up in

893
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:34,360
this kind of match early in his
career like this, and that he won

894
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,119
neither one of those factors really surprise
me very much. This was also a

895
00:54:37,159 --> 00:54:42,239
mandatory fight, and uh, you
know, we'll see how long collazo A

896
00:54:42,519 --> 00:54:45,760
can continue to make one hundred and
five pounds, which obviously is the smallest

897
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,840
weight class in the sport. He
is already twenty six years old, so

898
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:52,639
it would seem that when you get
to that age typically at some point you're

899
00:54:52,639 --> 00:54:55,400
going to move up. And we'll
see straw weight. Unfortunately, it's not

900
00:54:55,440 --> 00:55:00,119
exactly the sexiest division. There's not
a lot of name recognition, certainly in

901
00:55:00,199 --> 00:55:02,599
terms of in the United States.
There's not a lot of top competition.

902
00:55:02,679 --> 00:55:05,920
I mean, sir, if you
want to go fight, uh, you

903
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,840
know, in in Asia obviously,
and there's the majority of the better straw

904
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:14,519
weights through the history of the weight
class, usually our front places like Japan,

905
00:55:15,199 --> 00:55:19,679
uh, you know, a Thailand. So I can't get overly excited

906
00:55:19,679 --> 00:55:22,000
about Colozzo because of that fact.
I don't see like there being some big

907
00:55:22,039 --> 00:55:24,559
matchup for him. But you got
to give the guy props early in his

908
00:55:24,679 --> 00:55:28,400
career. Seventh fight makes a record
for his count, you know, for

909
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,840
his island of Puerto Rico, which
is a great boxing traditional hotbed. So

910
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:35,760
good for him. But there was
a reason why it was the third fight

911
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,159
down the card. This is true. But it's a victory. It's a

912
00:55:38,159 --> 00:55:42,559
world title win for him, and
we'll see what happens after that. All

913
00:55:42,599 --> 00:55:45,119
right, some news you're just kind
of make up for it because he didn't

914
00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:46,719
want to talk about it in the
preview podcast because he didn't when you're talking

915
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:52,480
about all the title fights with Colozzo
and Jerusalem, well, it was a

916
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:53,920
title fight that was taking place in
America. Not it was, there was

917
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,679
one, that's true. Uh and
ye as you mentioned though, it was

918
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,239
third third on the card. Uh. So some news and then some nostalgia

919
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:05,280
and we're done. And the news
also involved speaking of match room and yet

920
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,239
Eddie hearn it's an extension for Diego
Pacheco and Pacheco going to be back in

921
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:12,599
the ring later this summer. Give
me something, well, I think Diego

922
00:56:12,599 --> 00:56:15,280
Pacheco is probably the best super Mitawave
prospect young contender out there. I mean,

923
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:19,000
this kid has really developed nicely ever
since they signed him out of the

924
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,159
Amateurs with Mattram. He's come to
now eighteen to oz with fifteen knockouts.

925
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:27,440
There's nothing to be negative about.
He's got the size, he's got the

926
00:56:27,519 --> 00:56:30,079
charisma, he's got the exciting style, he's got the skills. He's tall,

927
00:56:30,159 --> 00:56:34,639
he's rangey, he can punch.
I mean, he's young, he's

928
00:56:34,679 --> 00:56:37,760
only twenty two years old. You
know, he already has some you know,

929
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:42,480
he's bringing along a bigger fan base
from the La area. I mean,

930
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,840
this kid is you know, I
can't tell you he's ready to fight

931
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:51,440
Kennelo Alvarez. But he's among the
super mittaweights that will be the next in

932
00:56:51,519 --> 00:56:54,599
my opinion, the next group you
know after Kennello is you know ad done

933
00:56:54,639 --> 00:56:58,280
at the time. You have him
ahead of Berlanga right now in terms of

934
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:02,599
prospects status with blan Long absolutely ahead
of Berlinga, no doubt about it.

935
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,920
Uh, no doubt about it.
And you know, listen, I doubt

936
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,159
it will happen. But they both
a fight for matrim So maybe someday,

937
00:57:09,519 --> 00:57:15,239
you know, the Mexican American uh
Diego Pacheco against the Puerto Rican Edgar Berlanga.

938
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:19,400
You know, we all know what
that rivalry is about. So something

939
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,960
that maybe keep an eye on down
the road. But Pacheco um maybe didn't

940
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:27,320
have the flashy kind of first round
knockouts and all the hype that Berlanga had.

941
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,480
And by way, I'm not knocking
berlang and saying he's not still interested

942
00:57:30,519 --> 00:57:32,119
to watch, but if I had
to rank them, I would put Pacheco

943
00:57:32,119 --> 00:57:36,199
ahead of Berlinga. So it's not
a it's not a dissem Berlanga. I'm

944
00:57:36,239 --> 00:57:40,360
just being honest about my viewpoint.
But he signs a contract extension and as

945
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:44,519
as part of announcing that contract,
descended he still had by the way,

946
00:57:44,719 --> 00:57:47,239
he still had at least two fights
left on his existing agreement. I'm kind

947
00:57:47,239 --> 00:57:52,079
of surprised he resigned because he's in
such a great position that he would have

948
00:57:52,119 --> 00:57:54,360
commanded a lot of interest in the
free agent market and maybe he still would

949
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,480
have signed with anybody. Probably would
have been able to, you know,

950
00:57:57,519 --> 00:58:00,000
get more money out of him,
uh and and do a better deal.

951
00:58:00,159 --> 00:58:02,480
But that's that's between them. But
the bottom line is, as part of

952
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:07,480
the announcement of his contract extension is
that he's going to now headline one of

953
00:58:07,519 --> 00:58:10,800
the Naturam de Zone cards that's going
to be in Mexico. You know,

954
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:14,800
because besides building him up here in
America, you know, they want to

955
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:15,880
put him in front of the Mexican
crowd because you know, he is a

956
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:21,039
Mexican American, he makes good style, and Naturam does a handful of cards

957
00:58:21,039 --> 00:58:23,360
per year and in Mexico. So
he's gonna headline this card July seventh in

958
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:29,079
Monterey. He's gonna fight a fighter
named Manuel Diegos nineteen one and one with

959
00:58:29,159 --> 00:58:32,400
sixteen knockouts, and he'll get a
chance a headline'll defend like a regional title

960
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:36,639
and you know, continue to continue
to move the chains. I mean,

961
00:58:36,679 --> 00:58:38,880
I figure the last two fights of
this deal, he'll he'll fight those types

962
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:42,599
of fights to continue to you know, to learn and to grow. And

963
00:58:42,639 --> 00:58:45,760
then come next year, I think
we'll see Pacheco step into bigger fights.

964
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:49,480
And as part of that announcement,
by the way, Naturam also announced that

965
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:53,599
they had signed the junior lightweight um
Eduardo Rocky Hernandez, who was thirty three

966
00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:57,639
and one with thirty knockouts, who's
been a big, big puncher. He

967
00:58:57,719 --> 00:59:00,840
used to be with Golden Boy.
His one loss, unfortunately was a first

968
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:02,920
round knockout, which put a lot
of people, uh you know, sour

969
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,639
on him. In an event,
he gets this opportunity with Matrium. He

970
00:59:07,719 --> 00:59:12,480
is number one in the WBC,
so he's in a very good spot to

971
00:59:12,519 --> 00:59:15,840
fight for one of the titles at
one hundred and thirty pounds and he will

972
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:19,239
be in the co feature. So
he got two exciting knockout guys. Uh

973
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:23,440
you know, both Mexican background and
listen, I have to say sometimes you

974
00:59:23,559 --> 00:59:27,480
need don't know who the fighters are
on the cards, the cards that Matrium

975
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,639
has put on that have been in
Mexico, like literally every single one of

976
00:59:30,639 --> 00:59:34,000
them has been a good show to
watch, including the great fight with non

977
00:59:34,079 --> 00:59:37,159
Chinga when he won the one o
eight pound title and what I picked as

978
00:59:37,159 --> 00:59:40,119
the twenty twenty two fight of the
Year. So I'm even though they're not

979
00:59:40,199 --> 00:59:45,159
fighting like huge names like I love
watching Pacheco, I've I've I've gotten to

980
00:59:45,159 --> 00:59:49,159
like him a lot, and Hernandez, you know, it's uh, it's

981
00:59:49,199 --> 00:59:52,039
it's uh either getting knocked out or
knocked the guy out. So we'll see

982
00:59:52,079 --> 00:59:54,199
what he can do as he tries
to move on to get this title shot.

983
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:58,840
At one hundred and thirty. We're
about excitement. We're about big punches,

984
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:00,280
big moments, and excitement, and
so we're looking forward to that for

985
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:05,159
July on that the Zone card.
All right, before the nostalgia, are

986
01:00:05,159 --> 01:00:09,119
we really going back to Tyson Fury
Anthony Joshua because you have to do it

987
01:00:09,159 --> 01:00:13,320
for the people. But I mean, Fury has like run out of the

988
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,519
only person he hasn't called out at
this stage is the boxing guy Dan Raphael

989
01:00:15,559 --> 01:00:20,360
for it a possible opponent this summer, all right, So he's talking about

990
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,559
Anthony Joshua again and maybe it would
be in the fall, all right,

991
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:28,760
So I mean, how much credence
do we put in this besides the fact

992
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:30,639
that Fury wants his name out there
and loves being on social media and throws

993
01:00:30,719 --> 01:00:34,199
names out. Well, he's been
throwing a lot of names out because he

994
01:00:34,239 --> 01:00:37,960
went to Australia in the last several
days. Because as good buddy and sparring

995
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:44,280
partner, former WBO champion Joseph Parker
fought in Australia and scored a first round

996
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:46,960
knockout a couple of nights ago,
and Fury made the trip and was there,

997
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:51,000
and so there was a lot of
conversation in the Australian media. He

998
01:00:51,039 --> 01:00:53,679
was talking about about I want to
fight in Australia, maybe he'll fight against

999
01:00:53,719 --> 01:00:58,199
and all the names came up,
Jai Opataia, the cruiserweight champion, maybe

1000
01:00:58,199 --> 01:01:00,880
would move up and fight him for
the heavyweight time. Then they were talking

1001
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:05,440
about the Australian fighter Demsey McKean as
another possible one. They went they ran

1002
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,920
through like a McKeen has been a
former sparring partner of his right and that's

1003
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:12,039
where the Australian meat is trying to
connect the dots. I'm not I don't

1004
01:01:12,039 --> 01:01:14,320
know. I don't know if they
sparred together. But I know that Demsey

1005
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:19,400
McKeen is a big, strong guy
with very limited skills. Opataiah is not

1006
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,400
nearly as big, but a lot
more skill. But okay, so but

1007
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,440
those are the Australian guys. And
now now he's on social media once again

1008
01:01:25,519 --> 01:01:30,000
saying I'm not gonna make a deadlines
and go crazy with this, but I

1009
01:01:30,039 --> 01:01:32,880
want to fight Anthony Joshua. He
claims that they send a contract to the

1010
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:37,039
matchroom people. Eddie Hearn refutes that, says, no, we haven't kind

1011
01:01:37,079 --> 01:01:39,159
of contract, but I have been
in touch with George Warren, which is

1012
01:01:39,199 --> 01:01:44,199
Frank Warren's son who runs a lot
of the Queen's very business, and that

1013
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,800
they're talking about doing that kind of
fight in September. But again it's it's

1014
01:01:47,119 --> 01:01:52,480
there's so many things percolating, because
there's also still the possibility that Joshua Eddie

1015
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:57,000
says me is still fight in August, talking about doing a Dylan White rematch

1016
01:01:57,159 --> 01:02:01,960
and then perhaps a big fight against
Deante Wilder come the fall in Saudi Arabia.

1017
01:02:02,119 --> 01:02:07,760
So there's so much stuff going on. But but Fury once again,

1018
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:10,760
and you know, shame on Tyson
Fury because he had the opportunity to fight

1019
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:15,960
for the undisputed title against Alexander Usik
in April, and they blew it because

1020
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:20,760
he was being, as Usik says, greedy belly on the terms of the

1021
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:24,400
rematch. And now he's aced out
because he's heavyweight champion. Yes, we

1022
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:29,079
acknowledge that he's a great fighter,
fair enough, but he blew the fight

1023
01:02:29,119 --> 01:02:31,679
with Usk. In my opinion,
it wasn't Usk's fault. You know,

1024
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:36,679
he tried previously to do a Joshua
fight and sent out like eight thousand messages

1025
01:02:36,679 --> 01:02:40,280
on social media that did not take
place. He's lost out on the prospect

1026
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:44,440
of doing another fight that had come
up as a as a title defense against

1027
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:49,239
Sangs a lie because Joe Joyce exercised
the rematch right, so that took him

1028
01:02:49,239 --> 01:02:52,960
off the table as a Fury opponent. So all the different guys that sort

1029
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:55,199
of had gone by the wayside,
and you're not left with a lot because

1030
01:02:55,239 --> 01:03:00,400
I'm sorry, but Tyson Fury fighting
in Australia against Demsey mcken Okay, that's

1031
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:04,320
you know, he's a world champion. Nothing wrong with travel in the world.

1032
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,679
But that might excite some people in
Australia. But I don't even think

1033
01:03:07,719 --> 01:03:10,920
that fight would would excite people in
the UK. It would be a nonentity.

1034
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:14,599
It would be almost irrelevant in the
United States. So you know,

1035
01:03:14,599 --> 01:03:16,760
he could do it if he wants. But you know, I Fury just

1036
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:20,079
got to figure out what he wants
to do. And he does that.

1037
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,239
Do you have to negotiate a deal
that you can live with? You know,

1038
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:29,599
people forget sometimes negotiation doesn't mean you
get everything your way. The whole

1039
01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:32,559
idea is if both sides leave a
little bit unhappy with the deal, that's

1040
01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:37,440
probably a good deal. And he's
been unwilling to that well. But at

1041
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:43,639
this point it's either find a fight
with somebody or sit and wait until late

1042
01:03:43,719 --> 01:03:47,639
this year for the chance to fight
Usk for the undisputed and we'll see.

1043
01:03:47,719 --> 01:03:50,960
We'll see if he wants to sit
and wait that long. But you're right,

1044
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:52,280
he's got nobody. I mean,
we're saying this, and we were

1045
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:55,559
saying it at the time. He's
got nobody to blame but himself that the

1046
01:03:55,639 --> 01:04:00,039
Usk fight didn't happen in the first
place in late April, and now you're

1047
01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:02,800
crying about you don't have a fight
and you're trying to fight somebody, And

1048
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:04,880
I don't. I mean, I'll
just I'll put it bluntly with you.

1049
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:08,920
I don't have to see Tyson Fury
and Anthony Joshua. I think Fury wins

1050
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:12,119
the fight easily, and I don't
think it doesn't pa anything. Even if

1051
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,360
if it is it is in the
UK to an extent, it's not as

1052
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:17,679
big a fight when Joshua has now
been beaten three times and now has no

1053
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:21,519
titles, and I think Tyson Fury
would probably beat him decisively. And at

1054
01:04:21,559 --> 01:04:26,519
that point it doesn't really prove anything
because already beat him twice. Still a

1055
01:04:26,519 --> 01:04:29,079
fight that people want to see.
But the point here is this, He's

1056
01:04:29,079 --> 01:04:30,599
already had the two fight of the
three fights of the Wilder. That's right,

1057
01:04:31,119 --> 01:04:35,960
that's not the next fight, and
that and that and there they're talking

1058
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:41,440
about maybe having this double header where
Wilder would fight Anthony Joshua. If you're

1059
01:04:41,519 --> 01:04:45,440
Wilder, why are you not waiting
to see if Alexander usk will fight you?

1060
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:46,679
I'm just putting this out there.
See what you think of this.

1061
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:50,800
Why are you not waiting to see
if Alexander Usik will fight you? While

1062
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:55,280
Tyson Fury's messing around, floundering and
trying to fight Anthony Joshua. What do

1063
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:57,800
you think of that scenario, my
friend? Well, because Anthony Joshua,

1064
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:00,719
uh, fighting there, even as
a non title fight, is worth more

1065
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:04,679
money than him fighting for the title, even against Tyson Fury. No,

1066
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:10,199
Deontay Wilder fighting Alexander Usik for the
title, in my opinion, is worth

1067
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:13,880
less money than fighting Joshua. Okay, I got you, but if you

1068
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,719
But in terms of Fury, he's
not fighting Wilder for the fourth time.

1069
01:05:17,119 --> 01:05:20,800
I mean maybe down the road,
but certainly not now. Usk is already

1070
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:25,719
off the table. Dubois off the
table because they're fighting each other in the

1071
01:05:25,719 --> 01:05:29,480
mandatory. I just mentioned about why
Zangzle is off the table because he's might.

1072
01:05:29,519 --> 01:05:30,920
He's gonna you know, been in. Is he gonna come back around

1073
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:34,880
to Andy Ruise? Hold on?
You got you got? The fight between

1074
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:39,599
Joe joyceon and Zang Soo Joyce is
off the table also, and he's coming

1075
01:05:39,599 --> 01:05:42,559
off a loss anyway, so he
probably wouldn't be in the line for the

1076
01:05:42,559 --> 01:05:45,519
heavyweight championship. Uh. You mentioned
Andy Ruise, who apparently has asked for

1077
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:49,519
you know, the sky, the
Star, the moons, and twenty million

1078
01:05:49,559 --> 01:05:55,280
dollars, So that seems like a
not not likely obviously for a lot of

1079
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:59,239
reasons. Um, you just go
on down the list. Deontay Wilder I

1080
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,199
mentioned, will fight. They're trying
to he's trying to restart those talks,

1081
01:06:01,239 --> 01:06:05,239
but he obviously uh from what Matt
Room. Uh you know, Eddie Hearn

1082
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:10,599
has been saying they're looking at other
possibilities. A Dylian White rematch, which

1083
01:06:10,639 --> 01:06:14,440
makes sense for Joshua because it was
a good fight when they fought before Joshua

1084
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:17,320
won the title. Tyson Bee already
beat Dylian White, so he's not a

1085
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:21,280
possibility. I mean, maybe Tyson
Furer will give us a fourth fight with

1086
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:26,039
Derek jasur h. That's a joke. Yeah, that is a joke.

1087
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:30,719
But at this point, what other
options are there? Okay, some nostalgia

1088
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:34,159
and then we've got to go.
I know your heart tugs at this weekend,

1089
01:06:34,159 --> 01:06:38,559
at the passing of Johnny Tappy at
eleven years ago, special thing.

1090
01:06:38,559 --> 01:06:42,000
You put it on social media.
You wanted to commemorate at the passing of

1091
01:06:42,039 --> 01:06:46,000
a former world champion that lived a
troubled life outside the ring. For sure,

1092
01:06:46,079 --> 01:06:50,400
battled drugs. There was no secret. They've made documentaries about him.

1093
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:56,320
Go ahead with more. I just
feel like when when you have those types

1094
01:06:56,360 --> 01:07:00,960
of anniversaries, when you're when you
were that type of fighter, people you

1095
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:02,639
wouldn't have to like reflect on it
forever, but you should just remember it,

1096
01:07:02,679 --> 01:07:05,280
I mean and take a minute think
about it. And he gave so

1097
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:09,639
much gendertainment, so much joy,
so many great fights. He was It

1098
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,480
was a He was a tremendous fighter, you know, if that's what we

1099
01:07:12,599 --> 01:07:15,719
know him for, because he won
world championships and three weight classes. He

1100
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,559
unified titles, He was in a
number of major fights, had you know,

1101
01:07:18,719 --> 01:07:23,159
was on HBO regularly, was on
Showtime, regularly, fought on ABC,

1102
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:26,280
fought on ESPN. You know,
he was known to the boxing public.

1103
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:29,000
He had a lot of fans,
you know. But the thing about

1104
01:07:29,079 --> 01:07:30,880
Johnny also, and I was fortunate
I got a chance to know him a

1105
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:35,119
bit through the years. This is
just I mean, yes, demons to

1106
01:07:35,199 --> 01:07:39,000
be beyond. I mean, you're
done to talk about people that have troubles.

1107
01:07:39,199 --> 01:07:41,960
This guy had troubles that on top
of troubles, on top of troubles,

1108
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:46,159
on top of troubles, all kinds
of issues. But such a good

1109
01:07:46,199 --> 01:07:49,800
heart, such a nice guy.
I mean, yeah, demons obviously,

1110
01:07:50,199 --> 01:07:54,079
but just a pure soul, if
you will, in that sense, like

1111
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:59,039
then most likable guy you could ever
meet. I mean, I have met

1112
01:07:59,119 --> 01:08:01,239
good memories of like hanging out with
Johnny and interviewing Johnny. And you know,

1113
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:03,840
I didn't really get a chance to
cover many of his fights in person,

1114
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:08,000
but I saw him around a lot
of fights. I interviewed him several

1115
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:13,920
times. It just just a great, great guy. And and I have

1116
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:15,479
this one great memory of I don't
remember what fight it was, but I

1117
01:08:15,479 --> 01:08:18,359
was in Las Vegas for some huge
fight. I think it was an Oscar

1118
01:08:18,399 --> 01:08:24,760
Deloie fight and the late great Dean
Chance, the former baseball pitcher Cy Young

1119
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:29,279
Award winner who ran the IBA,
which was one of the fringe sanctioning bodies,

1120
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:31,439
which he always used to bust my
balls about because I wouldn't really recognize

1121
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:33,960
it. But I still loved Dino. He was a great guy. We

1122
01:08:34,039 --> 01:08:36,359
hung out, we talked all the
time. He was a kind of guy

1123
01:08:36,399 --> 01:08:39,960
that would call you up, like
two weeks before a fight where he was

1124
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:42,239
gonna be He goes, big,
Dan, are you come into the fight.

1125
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:43,760
He'd be like, yeah, I'll
be at the fight, guys.

1126
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:45,079
I'm good. We're gonna go have
dinner on Friday night or whatever. He's

1127
01:08:45,119 --> 01:08:50,159
just a great guy. So he
has he had a gym that the IBA

1128
01:08:50,319 --> 01:08:54,199
rented or bought or whatever a property
in Las Vegas, and anybody that had

1129
01:08:54,199 --> 01:08:57,399
an IBA fight, or even if
you didn't have an IBA fight, I

1130
01:08:57,399 --> 01:09:00,800
guess they would open it up in
this private area and you coming user Jim

1131
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:02,920
to work out during the week of
year fight and the week the night before

1132
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:08,079
this this big fight in Vegas,
they had a big barbecue and Dean invited

1133
01:09:08,079 --> 01:09:10,479
like a whole bunch of people.
They're probably like fifty people as barbecue.

1134
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:12,880
And we went over like after the
way in or something like that. And

1135
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,760
I can never forget the image of
me standing there like having like a lemonade

1136
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:19,159
and I'm and I'm and I'm hanging
out and just talking boxing with my boy

1137
01:09:19,199 --> 01:09:24,960
Max Kellerman, and Johnny Tapia walks
in and he walks over to me,

1138
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:26,720
and Max is, you know,
he's making his way through the crowd and

1139
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:28,319
he sees us, and you know, I'm not that only we're like best

1140
01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:30,119
friends, but he knows what he
knew us obviously, and he walks over

1141
01:09:30,199 --> 01:09:33,039
and now I'm a big guy,
and Max is, you know, not

1142
01:09:33,119 --> 01:09:36,600
a small guy, and and Johnny
is like a small guy. He was

1143
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:40,840
like a freaking bandomwaight and like you
know, junior junior, featherweight whatever.

1144
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,399
So even not fighting, maybe he's
like, you know, one hundred and

1145
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:46,720
forty pounds, but but short.
He comes over and he hugs both of

1146
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:49,720
us at the same time, Like
I just have that that crazy image.

1147
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:54,479
He's like hugging Raphael and Kellerman at
the same time. And that's just the

1148
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,199
kind of guy he was. He
was big on you know, love,

1149
01:09:57,279 --> 01:10:00,039
the hugs and kisses and just his
gent of the soul as you can meet.

1150
01:10:00,079 --> 01:10:02,880
And so when I realized that it
was the anniversary of his death on

1151
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:06,520
Saturday, you know, it made
me think. And you know, we

1152
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:10,880
all talk about like should guys retire
in boxing? You know, are they

1153
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,199
taking too many punches? Is it
too much? We want to be able

1154
01:10:13,239 --> 01:10:15,720
to talk to them later in life
and you know, make their money,

1155
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:17,720
make their legacy, and get out
with their health and tact. The only

1156
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:21,680
guy I ever thought should never ever
retired was Johnny Tapia because as soon as

1157
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:25,000
he was going to be done boxing, it was gonna be bad for the

1158
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:30,520
rest of his life because the boxing
sport and training and preparations for fights,

1159
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:34,119
and was the only thing that gave
him any kind of structure like going to

1160
01:10:34,199 --> 01:10:39,079
a training camp or going to the
gym. And I figured, fight as

1161
01:10:39,119 --> 01:10:42,319
long as you possibly can. And
he used to talk about this. The

1162
01:10:42,359 --> 01:10:45,159
only place that he ever felt peace, which is really sad, was in

1163
01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:49,039
the fight. During the boxing match, like in the chaos of the fight,

1164
01:10:49,279 --> 01:10:53,840
he feels that peace, which is
unfortunate, but that's why I always

1165
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:56,960
felt that no matter where he was, and he never took even though he

1166
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,960
was, you know, had lost
some fights. Wasn't the kind of guy

1167
01:11:00,119 --> 01:11:02,399
that took like immense, immense punishment. And I felt like, you know

1168
01:11:02,399 --> 01:11:04,399
what, Johnny should fight for as
long as he could. And as a

1169
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:09,800
reality was he was not fighting super
top elite fighters. But before he passed

1170
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:13,279
and I felt like he was going
to fight again for sure. He had

1171
01:11:13,319 --> 01:11:17,920
won I think four fights in a
row and look banamweight champion, junior featherweight

1172
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:21,640
champion. I was there ringside in
New York when he won the featherweight belt

1173
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:26,119
against Manuel Mendina at the Madison Square
Garden Theater and he cried like a baby

1174
01:11:26,159 --> 01:11:29,439
after that fight because he knew how
big a deal that was for him to

1175
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:31,159
get the third title. He never
defended that title. He instead he took

1176
01:11:31,159 --> 01:11:35,199
the big pay day against Marco Antonio
Berrera and ended up getting stripped to the

1177
01:11:35,199 --> 01:11:39,039
tuttle because he didn't make the mandatory. But he obviously it was a much

1178
01:11:39,119 --> 01:11:42,680
much bigger fight and the money was
so big for him he couldn't turn it

1179
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:45,880
down. But Johnny had a great
career. He fought a lot of big

1180
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:47,520
names and listen, he may have
lost on the scorecards, but a lot

1181
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:50,319
of people thought he won those fights. They were super close. He had

1182
01:11:50,319 --> 01:11:55,680
a fight of the year against Pauliayella, his great rival, and they fought

1183
01:11:55,720 --> 01:12:00,159
two tremendous fights. He had.
He had the huge win to unify at

1184
01:12:00,159 --> 01:12:03,760
one hundred and fifteen pounds against his
Alburquerque rival, the younger Daniel Romero.

1185
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,560
And by the way, I picked
Romeo to win that fight big time.

1186
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:10,359
I thought he was gonna just beat
Johnny Tappy up. And you know,

1187
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:13,399
we talked about what some of our
best picks are some of our works picks

1188
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:15,680
me pick and Romero that night that
was a bad That was a bad pick

1189
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:17,800
for me. I wasn't covering boxing
back at that time, I was still

1190
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:21,600
working as a sportswriter in Bingham to
New York, but was really into that

1191
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:25,000
fight, and that was a huge
deal. And by the way, you

1192
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:29,359
can make a really strong argument that
in the history of the junior bandom weight

1193
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:33,640
division that he's at worst like in
the top sternly in the top five.

1194
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:36,159
For a long time, it was
really like a two man race. It

1195
01:12:36,199 --> 01:12:41,840
was either Johnny Tappia or a Koside
Galaxy from Thailand. Now you can maybe

1196
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:44,840
at this point you can maybe put
a guy like Chocolate Tito in the mix,

1197
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:47,800
maybe a one Francisco Astrada if you
if you what you think about how

1198
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:54,439
they're one hundred and fifteen pounds fights
worked out. But Johnny Tapia is way

1199
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:57,159
way up there in terms of the
greatest of all time, that one hundred

1200
01:12:57,199 --> 01:13:01,760
and fifteen pounds. And I never
get tired of reminiscing and think keep him

1201
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:04,520
alive. On a Memorial Day,
we always want to keep the memories alive

1202
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:09,319
of those that we've lost. In
the case of military and first responders,

1203
01:13:09,359 --> 01:13:12,359
etc. Listen, we've gone for
a while. There's one more piece of

1204
01:13:12,399 --> 01:13:16,239
nostalgia that promised promised me that we're
not gonna go for thirty minutes because I'm

1205
01:13:16,239 --> 01:13:20,840
as big a Rocky fan as you
are. But all right, so today,

1206
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:25,079
as we tape this, forty one
years ago, May twenty eighth,

1207
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:31,079
nineteen eighty two was the release of
Rocky three in theaters. Rocky against mister

1208
01:13:31,199 --> 01:13:38,199
t ultimately or Clever Lange ultimately.
You you even put in the rundown the

1209
01:13:38,319 --> 01:13:41,880
greatest boxing movie of all time.
First of all, I'm going to take

1210
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:45,880
issue with you on that it's not
even the greatest Rocky movie all the time.

1211
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:49,279
The first. Look, there's nothing
better than the first, the first

1212
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:56,239
that won the Academy Award for Best
Picture. That's the best that it's the

1213
01:13:56,239 --> 01:13:59,880
best Rocky movie. It's better than
any other boxing movie you can think of,

1214
01:14:00,119 --> 01:14:03,000
better than Raging Bull, It's better
than than uh Cinderella. Man,

1215
01:14:03,079 --> 01:14:08,399
you're saying Rocky three, Rocky three
is the greatest rock It's it's the best

1216
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:11,399
Rocky movie. Why do you say
that though, because clubber Lang, because

1217
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:15,479
mister Team makes the movie, and
well they got look the first movie.

1218
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:18,199
I mean, look the Rocky first
The first four movies are awesome. First

1219
01:14:18,239 --> 01:14:21,600
two obviously, with the with the
hull, back and forth with Apolo,

1220
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:25,920
third fight, of course, with
the Clubber Lang scenario and the death of

1221
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:30,119
Mickey Uh and him getting together with
Apolo to become his trainer um and then

1222
01:14:30,159 --> 01:14:34,720
of course Rocky four where he goes
and saves the world from nuclear war between

1223
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:41,359
the United States and Russia with Dragou
and all that. But Rocky three is

1224
01:14:41,359 --> 01:14:44,600
like it was the you know,
the first two or the one story line.

1225
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:47,279
Basically part one in part two is
one story the first fight with Apolo,

1226
01:14:47,319 --> 01:14:49,600
in the second fight with Apolo,
So we get to we get to

1227
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:53,920
the third movie. Rocky's now heavyweight
champ. He's riding high on the hog.

1228
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:56,960
He's got all the money and and
now someone's coming from him, and

1229
01:14:57,039 --> 01:15:00,520
I got a squat at you,
and completely unrealistic because now he's edgy and

1230
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:04,239
now he's a businessman. I mean
he's basically he's basically an illiterate Rocky.

1231
01:15:04,319 --> 01:15:09,279
In the first two they can't re
can't function, and now he's like a

1232
01:15:09,359 --> 01:15:12,560
businessman in the in the third one, and he's got all these title fights,

1233
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:15,199
and he's got a man chin,
he's got all the he's got all

1234
01:15:15,199 --> 01:15:17,359
the stuff going, and Clubber's coming
to take it away. That's the that's

1235
01:15:17,399 --> 01:15:21,640
the point he got he clubber was
like when Rocky was coming up, he

1236
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:25,520
was the one that was working hard
and trying to make a go of things

1237
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:28,319
in his in his boxing career,
while he was also as a you know,

1238
01:15:28,399 --> 01:15:30,880
working as a loan shark and all
that, uh you know, or

1239
01:15:30,079 --> 01:15:33,279
or the enforcer for the enforcer for
the loan shark for Tony right right.

1240
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:38,319
But it's just it's just that,
it's just a it's such a great story.

1241
01:15:39,359 --> 01:15:41,840
Obviously, mister t puts in.
You know, he became a star

1242
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:45,199
because of that film, uh put
in. You know one of some of

1243
01:15:45,239 --> 01:15:47,319
that if you went and made a
list of like thee hundred greatest lines from

1244
01:15:47,399 --> 01:15:50,159
Rocky movies, like probably like fifty
of them or eighty of them are from

1245
01:15:50,199 --> 01:15:55,319
Rocky three, number one, number
two. You know, he gets smoked

1246
01:15:55,319 --> 01:15:59,560
in the first fight Micky Die.
He got him, you know, telling

1247
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:01,159
the you know, Adrian, you
want a real man, come see me,

1248
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:05,079
that kind of stuff. So's he's
always the trainer dies, he knocks

1249
01:16:05,079 --> 01:16:08,880
the dude out, he's he's hitting
on the wife. I mean, there

1250
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:12,079
was like Rocky's really down in the
dumps at this point, and you know

1251
01:16:12,199 --> 01:16:15,479
he comes back to life and had
the greatest one of the great um,

1252
01:16:15,039 --> 01:16:18,079
what's the word I'm looking for,
one of the great sort of u uh,

1253
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:20,920
plot twists, if you will,
plot twists, That's what I was

1254
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:27,399
thinking of. Is Apollo coming to
bring him back? Like like one,

1255
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:30,960
if you give up the title and
you beat me, no, no,

1256
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:33,279
I need you to win it back
because it makes me look better And it's

1257
01:16:33,279 --> 01:16:35,520
some of the great First of all, the training scenes in that film are

1258
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:40,520
phenomenal. But the other thing about
about Rocky three is the first ten minutes

1259
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:43,720
of that movie is maybe the greatest
ten minute opening of any movie in the

1260
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:47,479
history of fucking movies. Come,
oh, the tiger is playing that.

1261
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:51,880
I know I'm a big eye of
the tiger person three person, but we

1262
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:56,760
got we gotta settle down on the
greatest opening ten minutes of any movie ever,

1263
01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:00,359
any sports movie or boxing movie.
He's he's winning all the fights.

1264
01:17:00,359 --> 01:17:03,920
You realize that Mickey had set up
a lot of these fights, you know

1265
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:08,800
that were like against easy opponents.
He's making a huge amount of money a

1266
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:12,319
minute. You're using the wrong terminology. They was set ups. No,

1267
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:17,279
they was hand picked. There's a
difference between the two. He's doing the

1268
01:17:17,319 --> 01:17:21,239
credit card commercials, and he's on
the Muppet Show and he's like rolling around

1269
01:17:21,279 --> 01:17:26,359
in the grass, you know,
making out with his wife. Exact ducks

1270
01:17:26,399 --> 01:17:30,520
the position of a clubber, you
know, in the basement lifting weights and

1271
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:34,960
hitting the bag and and just going
to Rocky's fights and getting pissed off when

1272
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:38,680
he sees him knocking the guy on, calling him out. It was just

1273
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:41,920
so fucking perfect. And then for
the fight to end with the rematch and

1274
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:45,600
Rocky to obviously win the fight.
I mean, listen to me, I'm

1275
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:47,439
a sucker for that. I love
Rocky. I love all the movies.

1276
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:53,319
That's my favorite. Well, I
don't love Rocky five US terrible. We've

1277
01:17:53,319 --> 01:17:56,960
concluded it should have never been made. Agreed, Yeah, I disavow Rocky

1278
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:59,439
five. I just alone, by
the way, it's admitted he should have

1279
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:02,520
never made rock five. He is
now in his and listen, and I

1280
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:06,159
mentioned to you in the Johnny Tappia
section that we were talking about about when

1281
01:18:06,279 --> 01:18:10,119
uh, when we saw Johnny at
the barbecue and he hugged me and Max

1282
01:18:10,199 --> 01:18:13,119
Kellerman. So the other thing that
Max, you know, I've known for

1283
01:18:13,239 --> 01:18:15,399
over twenty years now and been a
friend of mine for a long, long,

1284
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:18,439
long time. Um, we both
agree that Rocky three is the best

1285
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:21,720
Rocky film. We agree it's the
best boxing film. I'll stand by it.

1286
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:27,439
I'll die on that hill Rocky three
forever. Forty one years ago,

1287
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:30,359
forty one years ago, agether it
got it released. I saw it.

1288
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:33,800
I saw it. I think I
saw it on opening weekend. I saw

1289
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:36,439
the movie. I saw it.
I was a teenager seeing it on opening

1290
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:39,359
weekend. I was. I was
an early middle schooler, just like you

1291
01:18:39,359 --> 01:18:41,640
are. You and I are the
same age we would have been. We

1292
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:45,760
would have been twelve years old ish
right around there. I wasn't even twelve

1293
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:48,479
yet. I didn't turn I turned
twelve months later, all right. But

1294
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:53,760
they were in the big movie theater
in Albany, New York, where my

1295
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:57,439
dad lived, and going with with
my father and some other friends. And

1296
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:00,560
I'll never forget that huge screen I
lived the first I didn't see Rocky two

1297
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:02,600
in the movie theaters. I was
a little too young, or Rocky one,

1298
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:05,760
right, but Rocky three, man, never forget it the best,

1299
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:09,159
well, and one of the great
you love all these different lines. One

1300
01:19:09,199 --> 01:19:11,880
of the great lines from Mickey and
I used this in life and about all

1301
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:14,840
these other things where they're sitting in
the house and that this is where the

1302
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:18,000
discussion is going about. There was
soot ups No, they was hand picked.

1303
01:19:18,199 --> 01:19:21,319
Where they're going back and forth about
how he's protect My job was to

1304
01:19:21,319 --> 01:19:28,520
protect you. But what he says
to aim Raypheel is rock you went and

1305
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:32,199
got civilized. So in other words, like you said, he got married,

1306
01:19:32,199 --> 01:19:36,520
he got the house, he got
the business. You're no longer You're

1307
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:42,439
no longer the hungry fighter that has
nothing but the chance to go win a

1308
01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:48,079
title in the ring. You you
nows are known for their awesome training montages

1309
01:19:48,119 --> 01:19:53,399
that are like extended music videos.
But the training montages he's prepping for the

1310
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:59,199
rematch against against Club, you know, and when when he pulls Paulie into

1311
01:19:59,239 --> 01:20:01,800
the pool and he's training in uh, you know, we're apology. What's

1312
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:05,159
the what's the key? What's the
trigger? Because remember his heart's not in

1313
01:20:05,199 --> 01:20:09,560
it, Mickey's dead, Apolo's trying
to train him, and what's the key?

1314
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:13,760
What flips it around? What's the
key? The key is Adrian.

1315
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:16,159
Adrian is the key over and over
again as his inspiration, Like in the

1316
01:20:16,199 --> 01:20:19,119
second one when she wakes up out
of the coma and she says, come

1317
01:20:19,159 --> 01:20:23,920
here and whispers to him win and
then Mickey, what are we waiting for?

1318
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:28,319
Let's go? So so yes,
she she's the trigger. She's what

1319
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:32,159
gets him going to train correctly with
Apolo and says, you know what are

1320
01:20:32,159 --> 01:20:35,720
we doing here? You know you
got you're missing the point though the thing

1321
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:38,960
was it wasn't. I mean,
Adrian is part of that for sure,

1322
01:20:39,159 --> 01:20:43,199
But the big thing is when Rocky
is like not his heart's not in and

1323
01:20:43,199 --> 01:20:45,680
he's slacking off, and Apolo's taking
him to like the you know, to

1324
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:49,760
the to thee the ghetto neighborhood where
he trained to try to get the eye

1325
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:53,560
of the tiger back, and Rocky's
slacking off and he goes in there and

1326
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:55,640
he is, you know, what
are you doing man? What are you

1327
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,279
doing in the training? Again he
goes, there is no tomorrow, There

1328
01:20:58,359 --> 01:21:00,680
is no tomorrow. That's what the
sugger was. And you realize and then

1329
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:03,920
again oh wait, wait, wait
wait, you're not remembering the correct in

1330
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:08,880
the water in it right when he's
when he's out there running, and then

1331
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:12,439
she finally comes and talks to him, and she sets him straight and says,

1332
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:15,319
what are you doing? We gotta
live with this the rest of our

1333
01:21:15,319 --> 01:21:17,920
lives. We can't live like this. What are you really what are you

1334
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:20,479
doing? What do you really want
to do? Do you want to go

1335
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:24,000
beat this guy or do you want
to be scared for the rest of your

1336
01:21:24,039 --> 01:21:27,800
life to have fought him? And
that's where it really clicks. And then

1337
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:30,399
he's a different Rocky. And then
he and Apollo are running in the high

1338
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:32,760
socks on the beach, which I
don't know if I can ever picture Raphael

1339
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:35,159
running in high socks down the beach. That's a middle image and I don't

1340
01:21:35,199 --> 01:21:40,199
know if I want to go there, Yes, running and jumping up and

1341
01:21:40,199 --> 01:21:43,479
down and hugging in the water.
And then we have the fight and the

1342
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:46,239
and the hole. And also,
let me say another thing, there's so

1343
01:21:46,279 --> 01:21:49,039
many great scenes in that film.
We talked about the great opening montage.

1344
01:21:49,039 --> 01:21:54,800
We talked about the training montage,
the whole confrontation with the blubber and him

1345
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:57,800
when Nikki has the heart attack and
he and he Hurst starts hitting on Adrian.

1346
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:00,800
We got the training scenes that we
talked about, there is no Tomorrow.

1347
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:03,119
Then we got to fight itself,
and we got the rematch itself,

1348
01:22:03,119 --> 01:22:06,840
and then we got the ending where
remember the reason that Apollo said he would

1349
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:10,479
train Rockies. I want you to
train it, but you owe me a

1350
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:14,079
favor whatever, right right out the
favor at the end of the movie,

1351
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:15,720
and he takes him in the gym, He's like, you know, he

1352
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:18,640
talks about how it was hard for
a man of his intelligence to live with

1353
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:23,960
losing to him by one to live
with it. Yes, well I lied

1354
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:29,239
exactly, But I thought the ending
was phenomenal where they went in to settle

1355
01:22:29,279 --> 01:22:30,880
the score, close the gym,
and then they go to throw the first

1356
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:34,439
punch and again breaks out into either
Tiger you got the awesome Lee ryn Neeman

1357
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:39,119
are at work with him, fighting
each other. I mean, what the

1358
01:22:39,159 --> 01:22:41,920
fuck is there not to absolutely love
about them. I'm not saying I don't

1359
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:44,840
love the movie. I just I
gotta go Rocky before I go, before

1360
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:45,920
I go Rocky. And by the
way, and by the way, the

1361
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:51,840
watch to watch the training montages on
YouTube. But the ending of Rocky two

1362
01:22:53,119 --> 01:22:57,640
is still such an epic, fantastic
ending. How in the world It'stallane come

1363
01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:02,000
up with They're both knocked down and
whoever stands up first wins. That was

1364
01:23:02,039 --> 01:23:04,960
a that was a great twist to
the end of that, and then we

1365
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:08,279
had all kinds of twists and turns
on the third and the fourth one great

1366
01:23:08,319 --> 01:23:13,319
nostalgia. I love all the first
four I love but if I have to

1367
01:23:13,319 --> 01:23:16,960
pick one, I'm taking three,
all right? Forty one years ago in

1368
01:23:17,119 --> 01:23:21,680
theaters March twenty eighth, nineteen eighty
two, and still one. On cable

1369
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:25,560
TV. Frequently they'll run the rocket. Somebody's probably running on one of these

1370
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:28,920
cable channels. On linear cable,
it's still probably running a Rocky marathon this

1371
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:34,199
weekend from Amory. If I'm like
watching TV on any given night, I'm

1372
01:23:34,199 --> 01:23:38,199
on the couch or I'm going to
bed or whatever, and you're flipping around

1373
01:23:38,239 --> 01:23:42,359
the dialing, you run in to
Rocky three. You have to just watch

1374
01:23:42,359 --> 01:23:45,159
it wherever you pick it up.
You got to watch the rest do it,

1375
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:47,840
do it, uh, and be
happy with that. All right with

1376
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:50,439
that, I think it is a
full show. Again. Thank you for

1377
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:54,960
finding us, however you did so. You got plenty of fight recaps,

1378
01:23:55,359 --> 01:24:00,359
you got plenty of news and nostalgia. We're back with a preview in June,

1379
01:24:00,439 --> 01:24:03,840
coming later this weekend for the first
weekend in June. In the meantime,

1380
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:08,800
read up on Dan substack is Fight
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1381
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:11,640
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Damn Raphael, have a safe Memorial Day

1382
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:13,960
holiday. We say the same to
everybody that's out there listening to us.

1383
01:24:14,039 --> 01:24:16,319
Be safe, be safe driving,
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1384
01:24:16,319 --> 01:24:20,000
with everything going on, remember those
that have fallen. This is a

1385
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:25,199
tough time for those that have lost
somebody I love one, not necessarily just

1386
01:24:25,279 --> 01:24:30,159
in foreign wars, in battles,
but also first responders, police, those

1387
01:24:30,239 --> 01:24:32,039
that have died in the line of
duty. This is what Memorial Days all

1388
01:24:32,039 --> 01:24:35,880
about, is to remember them,
keep their memories alive, celebrate their lives.

1389
01:24:36,079 --> 01:24:39,039
We try to do a little bit
of that as I get serious here

1390
01:24:39,039 --> 01:24:41,279
at the end of the podcast,
but listen, Dan, have a great

1391
01:24:41,279 --> 01:24:44,439
week. We'll be back to scrap
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1392
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:46,439
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1393
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:50,159
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