WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:10.480 Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys are your favorites, 2 00:00:10.880 --> 00:00:20.600 so like say subscribe and rade it star and me grates on Quesh today listening, 3 00:00:20.679 --> 00:00:28.879 oh watching, Lim always keep it's watching And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman 4 00:00:29.120 --> 00:00:32.640 and James Boobo Fay, Hello, Bobo? How you doing? Man? 5 00:00:32.799 --> 00:00:36.799 Okay? What's going on? Cliff? All sorts of stuff as usual? 6 00:00:36.920 --> 00:00:39.640 You know me, Man, I don't sit still very long. I've I've 7 00:00:39.640 --> 00:00:41.840 got lots to tell you about. But anything else? Anything you want to 8 00:00:41.840 --> 00:00:44.880 start with? Or should I just jump into my crazy life here? Jump 9 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:48.920 in my last pretty pretty static lately? Really? Okay? Well, well 10 00:00:49.280 --> 00:00:53.039 I want to start that I tell you about my new favorite word. No, 11 00:00:53.520 --> 00:00:57.119 oh my god, I stumbled upon my new favorite word, and this 12 00:00:57.119 --> 00:00:59.960 this is my favorite in several ways. You know, I'm a word nerd 13 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:03.079 in general. I love words. They're fun to play with. Some of 14 00:01:03.119 --> 00:01:07.359 my previous favorite words have been things like gazebo, spatula, you know, 15 00:01:07.439 --> 00:01:11.439 like it's fun sounding words. But this word hit me everywhere I wanted it, 16 00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:14.680 man, everywhere I wanted to be hit. It smacked me good because 17 00:01:14.799 --> 00:01:19.120 number one, it sounds great and number two. It's actually something I absolutely 18 00:01:19.120 --> 00:01:22.560 love this word. I'll give you the definition first. The definition of this 19 00:01:22.599 --> 00:01:26.159 word is to stay in bed longer than you should, even though you should 20 00:01:26.159 --> 00:01:29.599 be up, because but you're staying in bed because it's warm and cozy. 21 00:01:29.799 --> 00:01:33.280 Right, Yeah, that's what this word means. It's from it's from I 22 00:01:33.280 --> 00:01:38.159 guess this is a Scottish word. It's a verb, and the word is 23 00:01:38.680 --> 00:01:45.280 to herkle durkle no way, Yeah, I am a hirkle durkler like I 24 00:01:45.599 --> 00:01:51.680 am a lifelong hirkle durkler. I love me some hirkle durklin. I know. 25 00:01:52.200 --> 00:01:53.719 So that's I mean, that's one of the highest points of my week. 26 00:01:55.920 --> 00:01:57.439 And by the way, I cast Prince this week and that is still 27 00:01:57.519 --> 00:02:02.280 one of the highest points of my let's hear about the France. Oh but 28 00:02:02.280 --> 00:02:07.120 no, you don't't to talk about hurkle dierklin anymore. You'd work it, 29 00:02:07.239 --> 00:02:10.000 just work it into the whatever possible. Oh totally, I've got to totally 30 00:02:10.000 --> 00:02:15.280 be work workled girkle in this and then everywhere. Man. Yeah, so 31 00:02:15.439 --> 00:02:19.439 yeah, herkle dirklin. I did it this morning. I plan to do 32 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:22.080 it tomorrow. I just cannot get enough of that word. I'm just so 33 00:02:22.159 --> 00:02:24.800 thrilled about it. But I guess onto more pertinent things, more big footy 34 00:02:24.879 --> 00:02:29.960 things. So I don't remember if I spoke to you about this last time. 35 00:02:29.960 --> 00:02:32.159 But I was out at a regular spot this like in the last couple 36 00:02:32.159 --> 00:02:38.319 of weeks, and I'm driving back from I forget where I was out doing 37 00:02:38.319 --> 00:02:39.960 big foot up at some point, and I was in my car alone. 38 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:43.400 So I must be one of these. I go alone a lot. And 39 00:02:43.400 --> 00:02:45.599 by the way, for our listeners and whatever, and even for you, 40 00:02:45.639 --> 00:02:47.759 bobo, I don't find stuff every time I go. I just tell you 41 00:02:47.759 --> 00:02:52.439 about this stuff I find when it happens I go. I think, this 42 00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:54.800 week alone, I've been out there three times, you know, this week 43 00:02:54.800 --> 00:02:58.639 alone, this past week. I'm out there kind of a lot, you 44 00:02:58.680 --> 00:03:00.719 know. And you consider, like once or two a month, I hit 45 00:03:00.719 --> 00:03:02.919 gold and I find prints, and I'm going to like between one and three 46 00:03:02.919 --> 00:03:06.599 times a week sometimes, you know, you do the maths. I'm not 47 00:03:06.639 --> 00:03:09.439 finding this stuff every time, So everybody can calm down and all the skeptists 48 00:03:09.479 --> 00:03:14.520 can stop throwing rocks and all this other stuff. I'm right now, I'm 49 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:16.599 bat and I think about twenty thirty percent, which is really good. That's 50 00:03:16.639 --> 00:03:20.759 good. Yeah. I mean, I'm not a sports guy, as I 51 00:03:20.840 --> 00:03:23.280 think most people know, but seems to me that's pretty good at batting average. 52 00:03:23.319 --> 00:03:27.680 I don't know. But anyway, so I'm driving back from I forget 53 00:03:27.680 --> 00:03:31.159 where, alone in my car, and and oh, I remember, yeah, 54 00:03:31.159 --> 00:03:34.479 this is when I was stripping back after dropping Melissa off at the airport. 55 00:03:34.520 --> 00:03:37.680 She just got back from storm chasing of all things. She's back now 56 00:03:37.680 --> 00:03:39.919 and she had a wonderful time, saw herself some tornadoes, and I said, 57 00:03:39.960 --> 00:03:44.159 what when you were gone? I found I planted some tomatoes, as 58 00:03:44.199 --> 00:03:46.919 that count. But anyway, I'm driving back. I went. I dropped 59 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:49.759 her off at the at the airport, like at three in the morning or 60 00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:52.120 something, you know, because she had a five am flight, you know, 61 00:03:52.159 --> 00:03:54.000 And for me that means leaving the house at two to be at the 62 00:03:54.039 --> 00:03:57.599 airport by three, which I got to wake up at one, which is 63 00:03:57.599 --> 00:04:00.240 a crazy time to wake up because I sometimes don't go to bed till two 64 00:04:00.280 --> 00:04:04.159 am. Right that maybe I get negative one hour sleep and that's exhausting. 65 00:04:04.599 --> 00:04:09.080 But anyway, so I dropped her off at the airport, I went straight 66 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:11.159 to the woods. I wanted to catch the morning shift, you know, 67 00:04:11.639 --> 00:04:15.919 because I'm never up at that hour because I'm a herkle Durkler. I might 68 00:04:15.960 --> 00:04:17.439 be laying in bed at that hour, but I'm not up by any means. 69 00:04:17.519 --> 00:04:20.680 I'm probably busy herkle durkling. So anyway, I drive straight to the 70 00:04:20.680 --> 00:04:24.560 woods and I start walking these roads early in the morning. I do find 71 00:04:24.560 --> 00:04:26.720 an old print and I cast it, which was cool. It was pretty 72 00:04:26.759 --> 00:04:31.040 old, though, and I think I hit two other roads for nothing, 73 00:04:31.079 --> 00:04:34.800 didn't find anything at all. And by then it's like eleven thirty, you 74 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:38.759 know, so I'd been out there for seven hours or something, eight hours, 75 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:42.800 and so I'm driving back on this long stretch and this then a tree 76 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:45.879 break on the left hand side catches my attention. I don't know what it 77 00:04:45.959 --> 00:04:47.680 was about it, because there's a lot of broken trees that ezer are on 78 00:04:47.759 --> 00:04:51.279 most roads, right because they take a brushog on the end of one of 79 00:04:51.319 --> 00:04:56.839 these machine things and just and just cut away push back the rainforest, you 80 00:04:56.839 --> 00:05:00.079 know. So something about this one caught my eye and I said, I 81 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:03.439 stop, and I go, yeah, okay, I'll back up and take 82 00:05:03.480 --> 00:05:05.879 a look. I back up the thirty forty feet that it took me to 83 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:09.680 stop or whatever. And I'm looking at this thing in the car, right, 84 00:05:10.120 --> 00:05:13.639 and at about eight or nine feet up it's broken. I'd probably like 85 00:05:13.639 --> 00:05:16.759 an eight or ten feet up it's broken. And then above the ground, 86 00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:20.879 like where the top of the tree was, you know, it's broken again. 87 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:24.600 So that part's pointing up. They go, well, that's odd, 88 00:05:25.199 --> 00:05:27.360 you know, and It's like, well, that deserves a closer look. 89 00:05:27.399 --> 00:05:29.439 I mean, sure it could have broken twice, no big deal, like 90 00:05:29.480 --> 00:05:32.000 maybe the tippy top broke and then the regular thing broke with snowload. If 91 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:34.959 I'm looking around, there's nothing else there that would give me indication at all 92 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:40.680 that is snowload. Right, And then I look closely and like these side 93 00:05:40.720 --> 00:05:45.319 branches coming out, two or three of them, like these little tiny like 94 00:05:45.319 --> 00:05:48.720 they're probably one centimeter or something like that in diameter. They go out and 95 00:05:48.759 --> 00:05:55.160 then immediately are curved back around and then shove between other branches, like two 96 00:05:55.240 --> 00:05:58.040 or three of these things. And I'm thinking that looks a lot like that 97 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:02.399 weird tree break that they've found not three miles away, you know, back 98 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:06.000 in December that I think our listeners, at at least a certainly our members 99 00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:10.279 have seen pictures of isn't that right, prude? Our members have pictures of 100 00:06:10.319 --> 00:06:14.279 this stuff. Yes, we posted quite a bit of that for the Patreon 101 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:16.439 members there. Okay, very good. Well I'll get you some pictures of 102 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:19.879 this thing too to post for the Patreon members for them. Of course, 103 00:06:19.879 --> 00:06:21.759 if you want to be a members five bucks a month, you get an 104 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:26.560 extra hour and you also get this episode with zero commercials. Anyway, there's 105 00:06:26.600 --> 00:06:28.480 that. So anyway, I said, well, that's interesting. You know, 106 00:06:28.680 --> 00:06:30.519 I got it. Then I knew I was going to be out later 107 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:32.319 in the week with the rest of the team here at the museum, So 108 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:36.879 we went out. We hit one of the spots in this general area that 109 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:40.879 we nicknamed I think I told you about at the Outer Rim. But on 110 00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:43.199 the way out there, we passed this tree. So we all got out 111 00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:44.920 of the car and say, hey, check this thing out. Trip out 112 00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:48.279 on this and Nico, a train tracker by the way, found a footprint 113 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:51.240 really closed, like five or eight feet away from it, and I thinking, 114 00:06:51.279 --> 00:06:54.199 crap, how did I miss that? That sucks? I mean, 115 00:06:54.279 --> 00:06:56.560 but Nico's a train tracker. We's better at this stuff than I am. 116 00:06:57.040 --> 00:06:59.519 And I said, well, look at that it's a really decent print, 117 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:02.959 and we start tracking it and I find that there's about four three or four 118 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:06.560 or five others of these before I just lose the trail off in the woods. 119 00:07:06.560 --> 00:07:09.480 It's like, oh, shoot, not only a track, we have 120 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:14.120 a track way, which is really interesting. That's cool, And I say, 121 00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:15.639 I got to remember to come back here and cast these things, right, 122 00:07:16.120 --> 00:07:19.759 So that's what I did this past week. So Keith and I went 123 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:23.879 out and we went to the spot and then said, Keith, look at 124 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:26.600 I'm going to cast this print next to the tree, you know, and 125 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:28.759 whatever else. And we decided, well, you know, let's go look 126 00:07:28.759 --> 00:07:30.680 at the other side of the road, because this is right on the road 127 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:34.839 right. Start pushing off and start fanning out, and about fifty yards into 128 00:07:34.839 --> 00:07:41.319 the tree line, I run across a segmented trackway. I found two or 129 00:07:41.319 --> 00:07:44.399 three of these things go in one direction and then one going the other. 130 00:07:44.560 --> 00:07:47.480 And it's a very small area and it seems to be a size that I 131 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:50.879 recognize, about eleven and a half twelve inches. And then he and I 132 00:07:50.959 --> 00:07:57.120 spend the next hour or two or more really combing that area. I came 133 00:07:57.160 --> 00:08:00.839 back with fore casts. All of them are crappy. I mean, you 134 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:03.160 can barely see anything in any of these except for one of them. One 135 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:05.639 of them is actually pretty decent. You can see the general shape of the 136 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:09.519 foot, a nice big toe and stuff like that. But once again, 137 00:08:09.560 --> 00:08:11.879 I got a handprint out of this area, no way. I mean, 138 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:16.959 the cast sucks the cat because it was underground and you know, and I 139 00:08:16.959 --> 00:08:20.319 guess some rodents or something where, like, some burrowing animals were nearby, 140 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:22.519 so when I poured the plaster in, like it went into some of the 141 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:28.360 fingerprints and then you know, filled up their burrows essentially. But it was 142 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:33.360 a really interesting situation because tracking the animal. We tracked it. I mean 143 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:35.360 I'm not a great tracker, you know, I want to emphasize that again, 144 00:08:35.559 --> 00:08:39.000 but I follow it for like fifteen feet twenty feet, then we lose 145 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:41.480 it for fifty or one hundred feet, and then we pick it up again 146 00:08:41.519 --> 00:08:45.200 somewhere else. You know, it takes a long time to figure out where 147 00:08:45.200 --> 00:08:50.000 it's going because I don't find these tracks consecutively, but we do pick up 148 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:54.120 little segments of the trackway. But near as I can figure it was going 149 00:08:54.159 --> 00:08:58.440 from rotten stump to rotten stump and then digging in the rotten stumps. And 150 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:03.480 I'm saying that because I found next to rotten stumps that had fresh tears, 151 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:07.360 and in a couple of them you can actually see scratch marks of four or 152 00:09:07.399 --> 00:09:11.120 five fingers at a time with no claws, and they were spread apart, 153 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:16.559 much wider than a bears could be. So pretty pretty great week. You 154 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:22.039 know, between this trackway that that that is tied directly to a weird tree 155 00:09:22.039 --> 00:09:26.679 break, with this interweaving sort of nonsense in it, it's that nonsense. 156 00:09:26.279 --> 00:09:30.200 Well, well, clearly not, It's what I'm saying. That's my point 157 00:09:30.240 --> 00:09:31.440 here, you know, like I don't think these things are horses, are 158 00:09:31.480 --> 00:09:35.200 weaving horse manes or any of that stuff. I think that's all nonsense. 159 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:39.000 Bob Gimblin even told me himself, and I'm Bob Gimblin is clearly rather experienced 160 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:41.399 in horses that all that stuff is probably pretty much just you know, wind 161 00:09:41.480 --> 00:09:43.799 braids, you know, from horses in the window. Yeah. Yeah, 162 00:09:45.320 --> 00:09:48.399 but these things are just very weird and very unusual. And so I have 163 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:52.679 a one to one correlation between these weird tree break things and sasquatch footprints, 164 00:09:52.679 --> 00:09:58.320 which is encouraging. And then just a short distance away foraging sign, you 165 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:01.639 know, and of course obvious. I think that one can guess and assume 166 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:07.960 that sasquatches break apart rotten stumps stuff because bears do it, right, that 167 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:11.039 that's a I think it's a pretty safe assumption, but it is still an 168 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:16.320 assumption until you find evidence thereof And I think, you know, and I 169 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:20.639 found places where sasquatch tracks have been found, with logs moved aside and that 170 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:24.320 sort of stuff. But this is the first time that I found direct correlation 171 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:28.080 between breaking apart stumps and finger marks and stumps and the sasquatch tracks. So 172 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:33.120 again, just slowly piecing together the puzzle that is laid out before us, 173 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:37.000 and then whenever I make any progress on that at all, it's a thrilling 174 00:10:37.039 --> 00:10:41.320 week. And then you add on top of that the Herkle Dirkle thing. 175 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:45.320 It's been outstanding as it is. Yeah, I don't I mean, I 176 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:48.399 don't know what could have been better, really, you know? So anyway, 177 00:10:48.440 --> 00:10:52.519 that's that's the story of my week. Hmm. Tops of mind. 178 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:56.720 Oh okay, well all right, well, well you know what this will 179 00:10:56.759 --> 00:10:58.320 make you feel better today is a Q and a episode to hear a big 180 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:01.159 Thing and Beyond, where we take questions from our listeners. We do this 181 00:11:01.200 --> 00:11:03.879 about once a month, although if you're a member, we kind of do 182 00:11:03.919 --> 00:11:07.759 it almost every week because whenever they're a question comes from a member, we 183 00:11:07.759 --> 00:11:09.519 want to get to it as soon as possible. But once a month we 184 00:11:09.639 --> 00:11:15.559 answer questions from our regular listeners. Our regular listeners out there and listener land 185 00:11:15.840 --> 00:11:20.039 where everybody seems to live and so our squash couteers can submit questions to us 186 00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:26.840 once a month, either via email or via voicemail. 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Well all right, so mister Matt Prue, why don't you 197 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:03.000 lay the first away smail upon us? Please? Hey, guys, Mike 198 00:12:03.080 --> 00:12:05.720 here, I hope you guys are all doing well. Love listening to podcasts 199 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:11.120 as always, guys, So rewatching some old episodes of Monster Quests. They 200 00:12:11.240 --> 00:12:15.519 always talk about, you know, they put pheromone chips out there trying to 201 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:18.960 lure in a bigfoot or you know, something like that, and anytimes I've 202 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:22.519 ever seen them use it, I've never seen them actually like be successful. 203 00:12:22.840 --> 00:12:30.759 Do you guys personally feel that pheromone ships work on bringing them closer? I 204 00:12:30.759 --> 00:12:33.720 mean, I know they smell terrible, and they got good sense of smells 205 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:35.200 and they'd be able to smell them from a good distance, But I want 206 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:37.919 to know they actually do work. I feel like I never hear about them 207 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:41.440 anymore. I feel like only back in the early two thousands. All right, 208 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:43.919 that's my question. Hope you guys have a good day. Keep a 209 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:50.759 squatchy, Love you guys. Michael Maddener first fan. But anyways, yeah, 210 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:54.840 I had a jar of them back in the mid two thousands or so 211 00:12:54.960 --> 00:13:00.960 early two thousands. Yea, it was early two thousands because I know in 212 00:13:01.799 --> 00:13:03.360 two thousand and one or two thousand and two, I think it was two 213 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:07.519 thousand and one that doctor Bamernet gave us some gave John Fredis more than I 214 00:13:07.519 --> 00:13:09.799 got some more, and we had them up. We went up on the 215 00:13:09.919 --> 00:13:15.919 we were on the go road up to Bluff Creek, and John put him 216 00:13:15.960 --> 00:13:18.399 out along the road like every few hundred yards. We put him out, 217 00:13:18.399 --> 00:13:22.279 and we put a couple around our camp. I thought we should have put 218 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:24.320 them all and where they were inside of us, like, you know, 219 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:26.759 nothing could just come up. And I didn't want them to figure out what 220 00:13:26.799 --> 00:13:28.759 it was, you know, I didn't want them to, you know, 221 00:13:28.840 --> 00:13:33.559 find a chip and then for people. I know, those things were plastic 222 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:37.639 chips, like a not much bigger than like a poker chip or something, 223 00:13:37.639 --> 00:13:41.039 but they the smell was just incredibly strong. It was just overpowering, make 224 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:46.840 you wretch. And we had those out and I was laying in the in 225 00:13:46.919 --> 00:13:48.159 the back of the bed of my truck and I had a shell on it, 226 00:13:48.279 --> 00:13:52.720 my little Toyota, and this thing came walking. I could hear it 227 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:58.000 come down the road and I heard some snaps coming down the road and like 228 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:03.559 tree branches and the road was dirt on both sides of the road like dirt, 229 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:07.559 and bankers went up like forty five degree angles. It was kind of 230 00:14:07.559 --> 00:14:13.759 a steep sided embankment about fifteen feet up. John had tied him into these 231 00:14:13.840 --> 00:14:18.480 little trees that the foresters had planted to stabilize the rock slides there and stuff, 232 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:22.440 and they were, you know, maybe three four feet little gnarled things, 233 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:26.600 and so they were tired noose and I heard those I heard some snapping, 234 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:31.840 and then it, uh it walked and I heard it like these big, 235 00:14:31.159 --> 00:14:35.840 long, heavy footfalls coming down the road, and I got so I 236 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:37.919 think it I think it was I don't know if it was in for sounding 237 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:41.519 us or if it was just I just got scared, like more than I'd 238 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:45.480 ever been scared before. And I remember as it came up, I just 239 00:14:45.519 --> 00:14:48.879 saw this black mass like it was just black, just all black, so 240 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:52.440 outside of the truck window, and I couldn't see the shape or anything. 241 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:54.519 It was just black. And I just pulled a sleep bag over my head 242 00:14:54.519 --> 00:14:56.799 and held my breath. I tried to like not. I thought I was 243 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:01.480 just going to rip the truck open and drag me out or something, and 244 00:15:01.480 --> 00:15:05.840 then it just it never stopped, just walked by my truck about two feet 245 00:15:05.879 --> 00:15:07.960 f like within two feet of it. I was parked on the edge of 246 00:15:07.960 --> 00:15:11.519 the road. We were in a pull out, and it walked past the 247 00:15:11.559 --> 00:15:16.279 truck and then it turned down and it went down this almost a cliff face. 248 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:18.360 It was so steep. I had to have a rope to go down 249 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:20.399 to the tree. And then as it was going, as it went down 250 00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:24.559 the hill, I heard the loudest snap tree break I ever heard in my 251 00:15:24.679 --> 00:15:28.799 life. And it snapped at eleven inch hardwood, like sixty foot tree or 252 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:31.279 fifty foot tree whatever, I mean, I don't know what it was. 253 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:33.879 It was big, and maybe it was forty feet, yeah, it was 254 00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:39.759 probably thirty five forty. But it snapped it and it went down and fell 255 00:15:39.799 --> 00:15:43.279 down the hill, down the embankment, because it's like a you know, 256 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:48.000 it goes down for several hundred feet, just really super steep, like you'd 257 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:50.440 have to have rope, and it just went down and just that was it. 258 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:56.440 But we went back in the morning and looked around where those pheromont tips 259 00:15:56.440 --> 00:16:00.480 were toasched to the trees. Those whole trees were snapped torn off, and 260 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:07.840 the the pheromoneships were gone. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff 261 00:16:07.879 --> 00:16:18.039 and Bogo will be right back after these messages. If nothing else at all, 262 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:22.559 those things are very strong smelling, and it kind of goes back to 263 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:26.840 my general idea about bigfoots is that if you give them something that they don't 264 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:30.440 know anything about, they're probably gonna come check it out, because they're relatively 265 00:16:30.480 --> 00:16:33.039 smart animals. You know, they're probably the smartest thing in the woods. 266 00:16:34.120 --> 00:16:38.600 And you know, the same reason he's a slide whistle. Give him something 267 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:41.399 that they've never heard before and get their curiosity up and see if they want 268 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:45.279 to come in. And maybe that smell does that. Now? Is it 269 00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:52.440 actually a sexual attraction because these are sex pheromones. I'm not exactly sure what 270 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:55.559 they're from, but fro I understand. I have it in my head that 271 00:16:55.559 --> 00:16:59.799 these are secretions of some sort from apes and humans. Although I mean, 272 00:16:59.840 --> 00:17:02.279 how would you get these things? I mean, I understand physically, how 273 00:17:02.320 --> 00:17:07.400 you might you know, get these things? Well, yeah, your hobbies 274 00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:10.400 are your hobbies, bobs, you know, And I'm you know, if 275 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:12.960 you can help doctor Bambineck in some way, I'm glad you can. But 276 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:17.079 but you know, is it is it that sort of attraction or is it 277 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:21.039 just a curiosity sort of thing? You know, because because I have pulled 278 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:25.279 over on the side of the road because I drove through a stink of something 279 00:17:25.359 --> 00:17:27.000 dead and rotting, I went like what and I backed up and did it 280 00:17:27.039 --> 00:17:33.200 and I smelled it again, And so I've even had my curiosity raised about 281 00:17:33.559 --> 00:17:36.440 smells to go check out before in the woods turned out to be a dead, 282 00:17:36.519 --> 00:17:38.400 rotting elk, by the way, But maybe that's what's going on with 283 00:17:38.480 --> 00:17:41.720 these maybe, But is it a sexual attraction. I don't know. I 284 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:47.400 think that jury is still out. But but I think that you do anything 285 00:17:47.960 --> 00:17:51.279 of any of the senses. You make noises, you you have weird visual 286 00:17:51.359 --> 00:17:56.720 things, you anything unusual that that approaches their them in some way, some 287 00:17:57.200 --> 00:18:02.440 sensory way is likely to other attention and bring them in for a slightly closer 288 00:18:02.480 --> 00:18:04.519 look. That's the whole thing behind the finding bigfoot nonsense we did in the 289 00:18:04.519 --> 00:18:08.279 woods. You know, I'd get I'm sure we'd all get letters from emails. 290 00:18:08.599 --> 00:18:12.640 Still do. Yeah, but like they're doing it wrong. You should 291 00:18:12.640 --> 00:18:17.480 go sit up in a tree and decent yourself. And we're camouflage and in 292 00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:19.279 the dark and blah blah blah said, yeah, but that's terrible TV. 293 00:18:19.920 --> 00:18:23.039 And we can't be quiet anyway because we have a producer and a camera person 294 00:18:23.079 --> 00:18:27.440 and a sound person and all these other persons people wandering around of this can't 295 00:18:27.480 --> 00:18:30.960 be quiet. You just can't. So the other option is to go big 296 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:33.440 and try to draw them in out of curiosity. So that's what we did. 297 00:18:33.759 --> 00:18:38.680 And I think the pheromone chips is probably are somewhere in that realm. 298 00:18:40.079 --> 00:18:44.480 Probably. Yeah, do they work? I think anything unusual works, And 299 00:18:44.519 --> 00:18:47.440 if something stinks real bad or smells really good, I think that would work 300 00:18:47.519 --> 00:18:51.319 just fine. Yeah, agreed. Yeah, And they were used on the 301 00:18:51.319 --> 00:18:56.000 Skukum Cast expedition in early two thousand. I think that's two thousand. Actually, 302 00:18:56.359 --> 00:19:00.119 yeah, they weren't. They used there with some success. But is 303 00:19:00.119 --> 00:19:02.880 it because of that or is it just because they had something unusual, Like 304 00:19:02.920 --> 00:19:06.880 could you use pachuli or something, you know, could you use sandal with 305 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:08.799 intense? I don't know. Maybe maybe you would have the same effect. 306 00:19:08.799 --> 00:19:14.559 I'm not really sure. I think it's I think it's being primate definitely helps. 307 00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:17.640 The question is do you think you're fooling like like one our smell you 308 00:19:17.680 --> 00:19:21.279 know, females, sasquatch or whatever, you know, some kind of primate 309 00:19:21.319 --> 00:19:25.400 around here. You know, is that Is that more enticing than something that 310 00:19:25.440 --> 00:19:30.400 smells like, you know, a novelty like some Brazilian center, you know, 311 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:33.559 some scent from Australia or Asia that they've never smelled before. I think, 312 00:19:33.599 --> 00:19:37.759 I think the fact that it's from primate secretions that it's like more effective. 313 00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:41.960 I asked my opinion. Yeah, I don't know. I think the 314 00:19:41.039 --> 00:19:44.960 jury's out on that one. Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean the 315 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:49.599 jury's out. But I think the fact that it is female primate secretions embedded 316 00:19:49.640 --> 00:19:52.640 and I think that definitely. I think that helps for sure. Yeah, 317 00:19:52.640 --> 00:19:55.720 I suppose it can't hurt. I mean really at the end of the day, 318 00:19:55.799 --> 00:19:59.920 right, Yeah, but yeah, Novelty's Novelty's big with the squatch to 319 00:20:00.039 --> 00:20:03.000 get them to come in. Yeah, that's what I think at least. 320 00:20:03.559 --> 00:20:06.720 Yeah. Yeah, I don't even know how to get those things. If 321 00:20:06.720 --> 00:20:08.039 we ever have a doctor Bambinak on the on the show, we got to 322 00:20:08.039 --> 00:20:11.440 ask him how he gets these things. He offered me some ten years ago 323 00:20:11.480 --> 00:20:15.799 and I didn't get them from him. Oh he still sells them. We 324 00:20:15.880 --> 00:20:18.319 have some here at the museum actually, and you know what, the two 325 00:20:18.440 --> 00:20:22.720 or three times I've smelled sasquatches myself. Yeah, the chips are kind of 326 00:20:22.759 --> 00:20:27.039 a little bit like that, kind of but these have a little bit of 327 00:20:27.079 --> 00:20:32.559 that in there that but it's not quite right. It could be dialed in 328 00:20:32.559 --> 00:20:36.079 a little bit better, but I don't know. Still not that far away 329 00:20:36.119 --> 00:20:37.079 either. I guess it's a good way to say it. Do you think 330 00:20:37.119 --> 00:20:41.640 we answered that one? Yep? What else you got through it? Good 331 00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:47.559 afternoon, guys, A little day from Alabama. Since it's the hundredth anniversary 332 00:20:47.680 --> 00:20:52.240 of the Ape Canyon attack. I'm just curious your thoughts on the attack. 333 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:59.160 I know they said they observed some sasquatches earlier. Do you think that if 334 00:20:59.279 --> 00:21:04.160 they had have fired on them first that they never would have been attacked that 335 00:21:04.359 --> 00:21:08.960 night? Just a little food for thought, because they seemed to draw first 336 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:15.920 blood, and the sasquatches are definitely retaliated. Thanks guys, love the show 337 00:21:17.000 --> 00:21:19.680 and have a great one. I think it happened. I think that it 338 00:21:19.720 --> 00:21:22.400 didn't quite happen the way they said, But I think that those guys got 339 00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:26.119 the crap scared out of them, and I think that there were Sasquatches there. 340 00:21:26.839 --> 00:21:30.839 I think the story is more or less the way they described it. 341 00:21:30.880 --> 00:21:34.720 But I think that they were some very, very very tough men who were 342 00:21:34.920 --> 00:21:41.200 very very scared, and I think that that combination caused them to perhaps exaggerate 343 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:48.240 some things or perhaps even misinterpret some of the things that were going on. 344 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:52.200 But you know, some of the other things that were noted but the miners 345 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:56.240 didn't talk about, I think are a particular interest. A couple of days 346 00:21:56.319 --> 00:21:59.920 later after the event. The event, of course, was on July TI, 347 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:03.839 and a couple of days later, I think three days later, they 348 00:22:03.880 --> 00:22:07.240 went back up there. The two of the miners were convinced to go back 349 00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:11.359 up there. It was Fred Beck and not Marion Smith. The other one 350 00:22:11.720 --> 00:22:15.440 Leroy Leroy Smith. Thank you, thank you, Leroy Smith. Those two 351 00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:19.359 young men went back up there with a couple of police officers and a couple 352 00:22:19.359 --> 00:22:22.720 of reporters from the Portland Daily News I think it was called a Portland News 353 00:22:25.079 --> 00:22:30.640 and photographers and a couple of rangers. Bob Welch. Bill Welch was one 354 00:22:30.640 --> 00:22:33.759 of the rangers. I'm terrible with names, but I think I'm getting more 355 00:22:33.839 --> 00:22:36.519 or less right. You's always fact check me. Too. I do make 356 00:22:36.559 --> 00:22:38.480 small errors all the time. But they went back up there, and one 357 00:22:38.519 --> 00:22:41.519 of the things that they noticed when they returned to the site, besides the 358 00:22:41.519 --> 00:22:45.400 footprints that were all around there, the place was apparently lousy with footprints. 359 00:22:47.720 --> 00:22:51.160 What the miners did not report that they later discovered is that one of the 360 00:22:51.160 --> 00:22:56.599 animals, presumably the sasquatch, was trying to dig underneath the foundation, you 361 00:22:56.640 --> 00:22:59.200 know, to some degree. And I think that's kind of scary and cool 362 00:22:59.319 --> 00:23:03.200 too. But as far as the miners, you know, they were out 363 00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:04.079 to get us and kill us and all that sort of stuff. I think 364 00:23:04.079 --> 00:23:10.680 they were scared, honestly, and I think that that caused them to exaggerate 365 00:23:10.720 --> 00:23:12.599 some things, or at least probably just telling it like they thought it. 366 00:23:12.640 --> 00:23:17.000 They thought they were gonna die. But have you seen the size of the 367 00:23:17.039 --> 00:23:21.839 missing log. Upon the initial attack, when the sasquatch hit the outside of 368 00:23:21.880 --> 00:23:26.119 the cabin, it knocked out a huge piece of log called a chinking from 369 00:23:26.160 --> 00:23:30.839 the cabin wall. That's a really big space that's like almost a foot in 370 00:23:30.920 --> 00:23:33.960 diameter, and I think, and well not diameter because it's not a circle, 371 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:37.920 but there's like a foot gap in the side of the of the cabin. 372 00:23:38.559 --> 00:23:41.960 I can't help but think that, you know, if that was the 373 00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:45.279 case, then the guys probably would have all been killed, because the sasquatches 374 00:23:45.279 --> 00:23:48.000 would probably reach inside and grab them, or kill them, or rip apart 375 00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:51.599 the cabin themselves. I mean, those are big logs and stuff, but 376 00:23:51.720 --> 00:23:56.519 a group of men building a cabin is probably a lot harder than one or 377 00:23:56.519 --> 00:24:00.880 two or three sasquatches ripping apart a cabin. You know. I think that 378 00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:04.640 they probably could have gotten in had they really really were, like if they 379 00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:11.559 were super intent upon it. But I also think that all that trouble started 380 00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:14.480 because they shot one of the They shot these things, they're shooting at them, 381 00:24:14.480 --> 00:24:17.160 and then they actually dropped one. They don't know if they killed it, 382 00:24:17.200 --> 00:24:19.960 but the thing went over the edge and disappeared into the canyon, presumably 383 00:24:21.039 --> 00:24:22.359 dead, but we don't know. Maybe it wasn't dead, you know, 384 00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:27.839 maybe just pissed it off. When the miners looked outside of the missing chinking, 385 00:24:29.799 --> 00:24:33.279 I believe, I believe they claimed to see six of these things dancing 386 00:24:33.319 --> 00:24:37.599 gleefully in the moonlight or something to that effect, some waxing poetic nonsense. 387 00:24:38.079 --> 00:24:41.480 I don't know. I don't know I think that's probably too many, But 388 00:24:41.559 --> 00:24:44.400 I don't know. I mean, who knows. Maybe there were six, 389 00:24:44.440 --> 00:24:45.759 but that seemed that feel to me. That feels to me like it's just 390 00:24:45.799 --> 00:24:48.799 too many. They were scared out of their mind. These things were on 391 00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:52.279 the roof. It's not a big deal though, if you know, the 392 00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:55.799 cabin sits on a very very steep slope, so it would take all of 393 00:24:55.839 --> 00:24:57.440 a four foot jump to get on the roof. It wouldn't be that big 394 00:24:57.440 --> 00:25:00.240 of a deal. They were all around the area, the footprints were in 395 00:25:00.279 --> 00:25:03.559 the ground. I think it did happen. I think it happened more or 396 00:25:03.640 --> 00:25:10.599 less the way the miners explained, with some you know, fear thrown into 397 00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:15.759 the mix. Yeah, I mean I think for I don't think there's any 398 00:25:15.799 --> 00:25:18.480 doubt it happened. I don't. I don't have a problem with six of 399 00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:22.720 them being there. I mean, they've been seen in groups of six or 400 00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:25.640 more, you know, at times, not often, but it definitely is 401 00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:29.000 not unheard of at all. It's a lot. That's a big that's a 402 00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:33.599 big group. But they're probably there's probably exactly if there's three or four, 403 00:25:33.640 --> 00:25:37.599 that's a lot, you know, So who knows, But I have no 404 00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:41.319 doubt that the event occurred. Yeah, I mean, I think that any 405 00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:45.880 any bigfooter has probably tried to put themselves in that situation at the time. 406 00:25:45.920 --> 00:25:48.880 And I've spent a fair amount of time doing that myself, because it's one 407 00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:52.799 of my favorite stories and so historically significant and right in our backyard. I've 408 00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:56.720 been to the cabin side, and we have artifacts from the location in the 409 00:25:56.799 --> 00:26:00.359 museum here, like it's a it's a great it's a great, great event. 410 00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:03.119 You know, it's one of the seminal events and bigfooting history's I was 411 00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:06.680 called one of the classics, right, So I spent a lot of time 412 00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:08.799 what would have been like in that situation. I can't help but think that 413 00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:15.200 even two or three sasquatches, if they're running around outside slapping the crap out 414 00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:18.279 of the outside of the cabin and hopping on the roof and throwing stuff, 415 00:26:18.519 --> 00:26:22.039 they can make themselves sound like they're six or ten or twenty or fifty of 416 00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:25.160 these things. I think two or three of them would be enough to put 417 00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:27.319 the fear of God into all the miners, you know. I think to 418 00:26:27.759 --> 00:26:32.960 one of the points of Little Dave's question regarding whether or not it was retaliation. 419 00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:37.759 I mean, there's so many reports of Sasquatches slapping homes, cabins, 420 00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:41.000 shelters that people are hiding inside or sheltered inside, and throwing rocks at the 421 00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:45.519 exterior walls and the roof, none of which involve gunfire. So I don't 422 00:26:45.559 --> 00:26:48.759 think it would just be that, oh, that's a behavior that's only exhibited 423 00:26:48.799 --> 00:26:52.400 in response or in retaliation too having been shot at. I mean, there 424 00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:56.720 might be a connection there, but you could find hundreds of other claims of 425 00:26:56.880 --> 00:27:03.079 analogous behaviors that have no gun fire involved with whatsoever. Yeah, if the 426 00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:08.519 miners are correct and they're not exaggerating at all or very much, then maybe 427 00:27:08.519 --> 00:27:14.279 that extra level of aggression was because these guys shot and possibly killed one of 428 00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:17.839 these things, because if you look at the other, another not the other. 429 00:27:17.920 --> 00:27:21.680 But another incident is the Bauman incident, you know, where these guys 430 00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:25.880 shot at the saying and the Sasquatch retaliated and killed two out of three guys 431 00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:30.640 that were there. So that's that's somewhat of a track record. But I 432 00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:34.599 also know of other situations where people have fired on sasquatches clearly hit them according 433 00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:38.519 to the witness and the Bigfoots didn't do anything at all. Is there a 434 00:27:38.599 --> 00:27:41.799 pattern here, I don't know. I don't know if there is or not. 435 00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:45.240 It's for people that I've talked to them that I believe that tell me 436 00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:51.640 they've shot them and probably killed them, or they pretty sure they killed them. 437 00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:56.680 There wasn't really much any There wasn't really hardly didn't retaliation like like not. 438 00:27:56.920 --> 00:28:00.759 You'd think like they'd go crazy, like there are some stories with them 439 00:28:00.759 --> 00:28:03.839 going crazy, people shooting them, going crazy to whatever they can, doing 440 00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:07.200 everything they can to get to the humans. But then there's I've talked to 441 00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:10.559 more people that it's like they're like yeah, they they like, you know, 442 00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:11.839 I was scared of something's going to happen, Like I was waiting for 443 00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:15.359 something to happen. But nothing else happened, And there was and there, 444 00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:18.200 and there was others around that they knew, like they saw other ones that 445 00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:21.960 were around there. Yeah, looking for a pattern in this game is pretty 446 00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:23.960 hard, you know, because the Sasquatches, of course, are individuals, 447 00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:27.960 and they all have their own temperaments, they all have their own past experiences 448 00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:30.960 that they build their own lives out of, you know, Like it's hard 449 00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:33.599 to find a pattern and all this, and and then you add on top 450 00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:37.400 of it the unreliability of witnesses and their interpretation of what they observe or claim 451 00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:41.920 to observe. The whole thing is just kind of be fuddling, you know, 452 00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:45.200 just makes you want to hurkle burkle all day. I guess you took 453 00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:48.680 care of that. Yeah, best as best we can, Little Dave, 454 00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:53.200 Yeah, little Dave, Little Dave, right on. Appreciate your questions. 455 00:28:56.160 --> 00:29:00.319 Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. Will be right 456 00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:08.960 back after these messages. What else you got? Prough it theay, Cliff, 457 00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:12.359 Hey, Bobo, it's Adam from Staffordge England. Again. Hopefully this 458 00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:18.200 time we don't really break you too well. Just another quick question. Why 459 00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:22.640 do you think we have quite quite a big set of data for footprint casts 460 00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:26.920 but we don't have many knuckles or handprints? Is it because people just aren't 461 00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:30.720 looking for that type of thing? Thanks and keep up the great work. 462 00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:33.720 I think that's it. Yeah, I mean people have this thing in their 463 00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:37.359 head like you know, toe, big toe, then you know the rest 464 00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:40.440 of the toes, the outline of his foot shape. I mean that's that's 465 00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:42.839 what's on my brain when I'm looking, you know, that's that's what you're 466 00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:47.359 most looking for. And then those those knuckle princes and stuff. They are 467 00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:51.599 pretty obscure usually, are you think, Clive, Yeah, yeah, And 468 00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:53.720 let me go back to the beginning of your question. We don't have a 469 00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:57.519 lot of footprint evidence. We just simply don't. I think that the number 470 00:29:57.559 --> 00:30:03.599 of casts in the entire world is is far less than five hundred, probably 471 00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:07.240 less than four hundred, that'd be my guest. So there's not a ton 472 00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:11.319 of data to be shared anyway. That's a lot of photographs of footprints and 473 00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:15.599 stuff, and that would probably triple that. Imagine with all the legit photographs 474 00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:21.359 of good quality footprints in the ground. Yeah, you're probably looking at you 475 00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:23.400 know, I don't know, a thousand or fifteen hundred or something like that. 476 00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:30.119 And that's being pretty liberal in my estimate there. I think perhaps a 477 00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:33.880 more conservative one to be in order there. But and as far as footprints 478 00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:38.839 and handprints, it's hard enough to see sasquatch footprints in the ground. It 479 00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:42.599 is really a different sort of thing. And I've said that lots of times 480 00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:47.160 that the John Green books and the Groverkrant stuff, and all these footprint casts 481 00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:52.559 really have distorted the Bigfoot communities impressions on Sasquatch impressions, you know, no 482 00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:57.519 pun indentity. They're not usually very clear, and that's a combination of the 483 00:30:57.559 --> 00:31:00.079 way their foot is and the way their foot it interacts with the ground and 484 00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:04.880 also on the substrate on which they walk on a regular basis. You know, 485 00:31:06.759 --> 00:31:10.720 in my particular area where we're finding these things. You know, I'm 486 00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:14.480 confident we're finding Sasquatch footprints, and I'm also confident that I'm making mistakes and 487 00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:18.240 doing misidentifications sometimes, I mean, I must be, But at the end 488 00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:21.440 of the day, I think the vast majority of the things that I say 489 00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:26.039 or Sasquatch footprints or handprints probably are But the people are looking for footprints that 490 00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:30.240 are clear in the ground. We've been taught through the John Green books that 491 00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:33.279 these things are very heavy animals and they're very deep in the ground, and 492 00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:36.880 that's one of the characteristics of Sasquatch prints, but that simply is not correct. 493 00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:41.359 They have big, soft, padded feet that rarely leave an impression. 494 00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:47.119 Very often. I'm finding that their toes might a couple toes might make a 495 00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:49.279 weird mark in the ground, or their heel might be there, but it's 496 00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:56.480 generally not a full footprint. So basically people aren't looking for the right things 497 00:31:56.759 --> 00:32:00.319 for footprints. And then you add the handprints and knuckle prints on top of 498 00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:05.279 that. Those are even less expected than a footprint. You aren't going to 499 00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:08.039 go out and look for I remember the first time I saw a sasquatch handprint 500 00:32:08.119 --> 00:32:12.839 out in the woods. It took me a long time to wrap my head 501 00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:15.480 around what I was seeing. Nico was there with me. Luckily, Nico's 502 00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:16.720 a good tracker, as I said, and I was there. I said, 503 00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:19.559 Nico, like, we're looking at this, like, what is this 504 00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:22.440 market? Like? What are these these marks in the ground, I mean, 505 00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:24.240 what's like? What is that? Those can't be toes. I tried 506 00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:27.880 to make it. I tried to make those toe impressions. They weren't. 507 00:32:27.880 --> 00:32:34.720 They were finger impressions. And then eventually that with placement and context and all 508 00:32:34.759 --> 00:32:37.160 that, jazz I said, holy crap, these are handprints. And I 509 00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:39.559 kept asking, am I wrong? Nico said, I don't know. I 510 00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:42.839 think that that's what it looks like to me. And we went back and 511 00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:45.319 forth for a long time and then found footprints nearby and the whole thing and 512 00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:52.160 really solidified our model there, our perspective, our guests. But people are 513 00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:54.640 not. First of all, they don't know what they're looking for. And 514 00:32:54.799 --> 00:33:00.640 even with footprints, let alone handprints and knuckle prints, I think that most 515 00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:05.559 of the handprints that I have found have been on vertical surfaces. So these 516 00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:09.480 things are scrambling up like road embankments and that sort of stuff a time when 517 00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:13.680 you would expect their hand to touch the ground. Not all of them, 518 00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:15.400 not all of them, you know, but most of them. And then 519 00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:20.000 when you so if you're going to find sasquatch handprints or knuckle prints, it 520 00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:22.720 has to be an area where it's kind of lounging around, probably a little 521 00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:28.039 bit. I in my in my cast collection, I obviously have the most 522 00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:31.200 famous one, which is the nineteen eighty two, the June sixteenth, nineteen 523 00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:37.880 eighty two knuckle print from the Blue Mountains that Paul Freeman got in conjunction with 524 00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:44.119 the dermal footprints. I have another one from Grant's Pass area that Ray Rosa, 525 00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:46.519 one of our guests on the show here collected back in the day. 526 00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:52.960 I have several others from this past. I have one other there's a questionable 527 00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:59.039 one too. There's another one from this past June in Mountain Hood National Forest 528 00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:02.880 that a friend of mine got that's very very cool. And also there's another 529 00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:07.280 one in doctor Meldrim's book that was collected by Paul Freeman that initially they identified 530 00:34:07.280 --> 00:34:10.800 as toe marks, but it turned out to be knuckle marks, and doctor 531 00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:14.840 Meldrim put his hand down in the same position to really drive that home, 532 00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:16.880 and a picture of it. It's in doctor Meldrim's book. You could check 533 00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:22.360 that out. But there aren't very many people out there looking for footprints at 534 00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:25.719 all. Okay, I mean I'm out there at least once a week doing 535 00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:29.000 it, But I mean, how many other people are out there once a 536 00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:31.679 month specifically looking for footprints in the ground. I don't know, that doesn't 537 00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:38.400 maybe maybe that many. And the handprints are even less frequently found because they're 538 00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:44.800 even harder to identify than sasquatch footprints, which are very hard to identify. 539 00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:47.679 And then you get to the knuckle stuff. I have seen knuckle prints in 540 00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:52.639 the ground that if they hadn't been pointed out to me, I wouldn't recognize 541 00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:54.559 them for what they are. And when I started looking at them, and 542 00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:58.159 go, oh wow, that's really interesting, and then luckily this person cast 543 00:34:58.239 --> 00:35:01.119 one, so it does exist. But anyway, I guess that's a very 544 00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:06.000 very long winded answer. Sorry about that for the short answer, which is 545 00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:12.079 people don't know what to look for, you know, even I'm just still 546 00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:15.320 learning this, you know. I'm sure we've all looked at them. We've 547 00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:17.360 all looked at knuckle prints and not realized what it was. I'm sure, 548 00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:21.760 yeah, yeah, because I know for myself, and I'm assuming a lot 549 00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:23.679 of people are out there. When I'm out there and I'm seeing things like 550 00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:28.199 could that be this? Or am I just fool in myself? I'm always 551 00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:30.639 asking myself, am I fool in myself? Because this seems too good to 552 00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:32.880 be true? I mean, it's too good to be true to find a 553 00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:38.039 Sasquatch footprint, let alone, you know, like five or eight since the 554 00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:40.920 beginning of twenty twenty four. I mean that's pretty good stellar, you know. 555 00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:44.679 So I'm always asking myself is do I just have big foot on the 556 00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:46.559 brain. That's why I'm always looking for more than one footprint. If I 557 00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:51.320 can find the trackway that goes a long ways towards making me feel better about 558 00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:53.880 it, then I usually can, usually can, But trackways aren't like, 559 00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:57.360 oh, there's a footprint, there's a footprint, there's a footprint. It's 560 00:35:57.400 --> 00:36:00.639 like, oh, this is a possible footprint that's very very shallow and kind 561 00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:02.360 of vague. But over there there's a scuff mark. Oh, I see 562 00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:06.400 it to over and over there there's another scuff mark where the ferns have been 563 00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:10.920 pushed down. You got to look for more than just the indentation in the 564 00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:17.079 soil, because ninety nine percent of sign of any animals passing isn't going to 565 00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:21.519 be in the soil. It's going to be other sign, broken blades of 566 00:36:21.559 --> 00:36:25.880 grass, push down ferns, the sheen of the morning dew looking a little 567 00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:30.760 bit differently than it does everywhere else. You know, that's sort of stuff. 568 00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:35.800 I'm not a good tracker, but tracking is an art far beyond me. 569 00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:37.880 I'm lucky to have been waiting in that pool at all in the last 570 00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:40.960 couple of years to the level I have, and I'm very very lucky to 571 00:36:42.159 --> 00:36:45.400 have leveled up recently, I think. But yeah, people don't know what 572 00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:50.679 they're looking for. People will walk right past a handprint, let alone footprint, 573 00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:53.199 so let alone knuckle prints they're even more rare. Those are my thoughts. 574 00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:58.280 All right, So this is the last voicemail, and I think you 575 00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:01.360 too might be stumped and trying to answer this particular one. Good stump me 576 00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:07.559 bring it well, terror part that's stump and eat the grubs within. Guys, 577 00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:16.360 regarding the bigfoot ness turning out to be only DNA found a horse related 578 00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:22.199 I know this is gonna sound crazy, but what about terodactyls those people who 579 00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:31.280 claim that they might still exist and could some horses be somehow related genetically to 580 00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:37.679 terodactyls and that's why that you found horse DNA? Just wondering. Bye, 581 00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:45.199 Oh, that's definitely crazy. Yeah, that's that's pretty out there. Yeah, 582 00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:51.559 but this is bigfoot and beyond that's big that's bigfoot and gone. But 583 00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:55.280 I don't know. I've never heard the horse thing, so that would be 584 00:37:55.320 --> 00:38:00.760 my first question. I think about that one and the terodactyls stuff. I 585 00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:02.760 mean, I know some people report seeing thunderbirds or whatever. Maybe that's what 586 00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:07.880 he's talking about, but I've never heard a credible report of a pterodactyl siding. 587 00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:13.719 My barber told it years. My barber told me sort of about terodactyl 588 00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:15.960 siding, but I strongly think it was a great blue heron and he was 589 00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:20.800 scared or repelican, Yeah, something like that, you know, something to 590 00:38:20.840 --> 00:38:23.400 that effect. Yeah, But I don't accept that terodactyls are still living, 591 00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:28.920 so I don't need to worry about that, you know. But as far 592 00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:31.400 as pterodactyls and horses being related, I can't imagine that would be true. 593 00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:37.880 Terodactyls would be reptiles of some sort, and of course horses are mammals, 594 00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:40.320 so I don't think that would be the case at all. And as far 595 00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:44.199 as he's being terodactyl nests, I've been to the nest site. I've been 596 00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:46.400 to both nest site, and I just don't see how they could really be 597 00:38:46.719 --> 00:38:52.239 effective bird nests like a large bird nest at all. There's no sign of 598 00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:55.280 any bird droppings or anything like that. And there were also signs of rocks 599 00:38:55.280 --> 00:39:00.719 being clacked together. Like the rocks were found on top of the surface the 600 00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:04.440 substrate, not down inside of it, so they were placed there, and 601 00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:07.360 sasquatches has been observed knocking rocks together. So I don't think there's any reason 602 00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:12.239 I think that these are anything but sasquatchss at this point, let alone terodactyls 603 00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:15.960 because I don't think terret actyls are still living, and I don't think and 604 00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:20.679 certainly they're not related to horses. I think that humans are probably far more 605 00:39:20.719 --> 00:39:24.800 closely related to horses than tered actyls are, because we're both mammals. Well, 606 00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:28.639 that that was a good way to end the voicemail ones. That's kind 607 00:39:28.639 --> 00:39:31.320 of cool because some more people got to send us more. Yeah. Well, 608 00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:36.800 if anybody listening would like to send us a question via voicemail, go 609 00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:40.679 to the website again, Bigfoot and Beyond podcast dot com and hit the contact 610 00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:44.199 button and you can leave us a voicemail. But that's not the only way. 611 00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:46.079 You can also email us a question. And we're gonna get to the 612 00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:50.440 email questions right now, Bubba, you want to start us off here, 613 00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:52.840 just to clarify for the listeners. When you click the contact button, there's 614 00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:55.760 a written submission form, so it does come in via email, but you 615 00:39:55.760 --> 00:40:00.880 don't have to like search our email address or you open up your own email 616 00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:02.960 client and then log in and pind a new email, so you can just 617 00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:06.760 submit it there. So I know we say email submission, but it's all 618 00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:09.960 through that same contact form on the website, making it easy for everybody. 619 00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:13.719 Thank you, mister Matt Prut. You couldn't do it without you. All 620 00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:21.960 right. We got a question here from uh rabbit rabid says squatch, Oh 621 00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:27.519 rabbit sasquatch the little gap through me? Okay. In Krantz's book, he 622 00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:31.719 mentions that he's identified five characteristic traits of a sasquatch foot and kept one a 623 00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:36.519 secret in order to help distinguish the hoaxes from real prince. I'm wondering if 624 00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:42.119 Cliff has figured out what the secret character characteristic is actually there. There were 625 00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:45.960 I want to say three characteristics. I could be wrong, maybe this five, 626 00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:49.599 and all of them were kept secret. It wasn't just one, it 627 00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:53.079 was they were all kept secret so he could stop people from hoaxing him. 628 00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:58.559 It turns out that that when doctor see a lot of the lot of Krantz's 629 00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:00.119 stuff when he died, went to the smith Sony and some of the stuff, 630 00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:05.199 a small percentage, probably about ten percent of it, some cripple footcasts, 631 00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:09.239 some stuff that from Gray's Harvard County. His complete skeleton, Krantz's complete 632 00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:14.039 skeleton with the Smithsonian, along with his Irish wolfhounds, and a few other 633 00:41:14.039 --> 00:41:15.440 odds and ends, some of his papers, but most of it, the 634 00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:20.719 Lion's share of his stuff ended up with doctor Jeff Meldrum And I asked Jeff 635 00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:24.000 about this, and Jeff said he ran across an envelope and inside of the 636 00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:30.880 envelope was several things written out in code with the code for translation, and 637 00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:35.960 I have a copy of that somewhere. Doctor Meldrim shared a copy of that 638 00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:39.000 with me, so I actually have a copy of all that sort of stuff. 639 00:41:39.159 --> 00:41:44.360 And if I remember right, and again this is from this is from 640 00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:46.239 my memory. I think it had something to do with one of them had 641 00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:51.039 to do with the toe placement. Another one had to do with the base 642 00:41:51.079 --> 00:41:53.519 of the metatarsals, coming back to about halfway back on the foot, if 643 00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:58.880 I remember right. And there was another thing in there that is escaping me 644 00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:04.159 for right now. But I've spoken to Jeff about these characteristics, and Jeff 645 00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:06.920 says, well, yeah, I mean it turns out I kind of found 646 00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:09.039 out what those things were on my own along the way, and you know, 647 00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:13.719 so he already knew about them. But yeah, that code is actually 648 00:42:13.719 --> 00:42:19.760 out there somewhere and has been translated by doctor Meldrum and then we did hear 649 00:42:19.760 --> 00:42:22.480 at the NBC for a second. I just can't remember what that third trade 650 00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:27.719 is off the top of my head, but yeah, interesting idea. But 651 00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:30.039 all of those things were kept secret, not just one of them. It 652 00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:34.320 turns out all of those things were kept secret because he didn't want to be 653 00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:37.760 hoaxed. But at the same time he was also hoaxed. There's a photograph 654 00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:42.480 of a cast in doctor Krantz's book, and that cast is supposedly from Indiana, 655 00:42:42.519 --> 00:42:45.679 if I remember right, and he said that it was the best evidence 656 00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:51.480 I think east of the Rockies that he had. If I am recalling everything 657 00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:58.800 accurately, that track was almost certainly hoaxed. Larry Lund was telling me that 658 00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:02.519 there was a group of folks bigfoot people back in the day, that faked 659 00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:07.519 a cast and sent it to him to show that he had that he could 660 00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:15.000 be fooled. And as evidence of that, they supposedly put a red plastic 661 00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:20.079 ruler inside of the original cast. And then they later told Krantz about it, 662 00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:22.760 and they said break it and find out. And then at that point 663 00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:27.960 somebody's telling you to break open an original footprint cast, like you're probably not 664 00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:30.320 going to do it. So doctor Krantz never did. He never actually broke 665 00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:35.239 open that cast to see if it was in there or not. So to 666 00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:37.119 this day, you know, who knows, maybe it maybe it is a 667 00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:42.599 real cast, and doctor Krantz was correct, maybe it's not, and that 668 00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:45.639 red ruler is inside there. But I was thinking, like, what is 669 00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:47.960 wrong with those people to charge that? First of all, anybody can be 670 00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:53.039 fooled, right, anybody can be fooled. So what kind of psychopathy you 671 00:43:53.079 --> 00:43:57.760 know, or mental illness would drive someone to show that anybody can be fooled 672 00:43:57.880 --> 00:44:00.360 when everybody knows that anybody can be fooled? Like, what is your problem? 673 00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:05.400 First of all? But like what kind of weird mental problem do you 674 00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:08.599 have in order to show that people can are fallible? Like you didn't know 675 00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:12.840 that. I think one of the big fallibilities is that somebody would go through 676 00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:16.239 such lengths to pull a prank or to make a point that everybody already knows 677 00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:20.360 just to be a jerk. You're kind of a jerk if you do that, 678 00:44:20.559 --> 00:44:22.760 So heads up on that, don't be a jerk. But yeah, 679 00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:27.239 so these jerks went out and they sent doctor Krantz that fake cast, and 680 00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:30.280 of course that fake cast is they modeled it off of real Sasquatch tracks had 681 00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:34.159 those characteristics in it, And Krantz says, eh, I don't know, 682 00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:38.119 maybe it's real. So that's just sit man. You use a real footprint, 683 00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:42.599 a real Sasquatch print as a model, you're probably going to have those 684 00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:45.280 characteristics in it. Whether it's three or five, I can't remember, but 685 00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:49.239 whatever it is. Yeah, And no surprise, no surprise that you're using 686 00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:52.280 a real track for a model is going to have real Sasquatch characteristics. And 687 00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:59.119 no surprise here. Anybody can be fooled with a good enough fake. But 688 00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:01.039 how would you do that? Like what kind of weirdo? Are you? 689 00:45:01.639 --> 00:45:07.079 Pathetic loser? Seriously? Like real, real, real issue, real issue. 690 00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:12.960 Yeah, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. 691 00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:22.639 Will be right back after these messages. We got another one here from Chris 692 00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:28.000 Buckley. Oh, Chris Buckley. You know Chris Buckley is is cusher singer? 693 00:45:28.519 --> 00:45:32.119 No? Far more important in the Bigfoot world than that. I give 694 00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:37.760 a Chris Buckley. Does the name Archie Buckley ring a bell? Oh? 695 00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:40.239 Yeah, yeah, yeah, Chris is direct direct relation. I believe Chris 696 00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:45.039 is Archie's grandson. Oh, okay, he's been at the museum a bunch 697 00:45:45.079 --> 00:45:47.880 of times. He emails me stuff. He's shared a story of Archie sitting 698 00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:52.320 around a campfire telling boy scouts about Bigfoot one time. Yeah, Chris is 699 00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:55.320 a rad dude man. And of course he's royalty Bigfoot royalty because he's related 700 00:45:55.320 --> 00:46:00.920 to Archie Buckley. There's no such thing. There's no inheritance. It's all 701 00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:07.679 meritocracy. Well, I think I think Chris is benefiting from the huge inheritance 702 00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:14.320 from Archie babies. Yeah, the same last name and that's pretty much all 703 00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:16.320 you got I think for big Foot with Archie. Right, So, but 704 00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:19.280 anyway, go ahead, But would you want to read this one ahead? 705 00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:23.599 Yeah? I really appreciate your careful balance of detail and fun. I bet 706 00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:27.400 Archie would too. If the species turns out to be related close enough to 707 00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:31.079 modern humans that is recognized with human cognition and language, what two questions would 708 00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:36.920 you most want it to answer for? You? Shoot, two questions? 709 00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:39.519 Well, I know my first question is like, tell me about your day. 710 00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:44.239 Yeah, that's the only time you've ever asked that question, and be 711 00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:47.719 glad to hear the answer. I know, and tell me in real time 712 00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:51.280 too, like a day and like step by step, that's what I want 713 00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:54.440 to know. Yeah, Like where and how do you live? Like how 714 00:46:54.599 --> 00:46:58.400 how often do you move? Oh? God, So there's so many questions, 715 00:46:58.440 --> 00:47:01.239 like you want to get two? Are you dangerous to humans? How 716 00:47:01.239 --> 00:47:06.800 many? How many? How many of your of your species will get violent, 717 00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:09.119 like physically violent and possibly kill a human? I'd ask that would be 718 00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:14.039 one of them, but they might not know. They certainly wouldn't know if 719 00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:16.320 you asked me that question about humans, I may not know, right, 720 00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:21.519 Gosh, just two questions to ask. Yeah, well, okay, I 721 00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:22.760 think I think it's like tell me about your day, like what do you 722 00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:25.280 what do you do all day? Like what what's your what's what are you 723 00:47:25.400 --> 00:47:30.039 up to? And then second of all, maybe is where do you sleep? 724 00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:34.239 Like what's your preferred place to sleep? Yeah that's a good one, 725 00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:38.440 thank you. How far do you move? Like what's your what's your what's 726 00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:43.000 your home range? Oh? Yeah, maybe you know. Another one is 727 00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:45.039 like how do you tell the other bigfoots in the area that this is yours 728 00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:49.880 not theirs? Right? Are you? Are you territorial with each other? 729 00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:54.360 If if you guys are territoried with one another. What is the signs uh 730 00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:59.159 or do you do you fight or do you vocalize? Says? You get 731 00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:01.199 too many questions. You have to figure out how to put in a broad, 732 00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:06.800 broad question. Yeah, it'd be very careful. It's like asking a 733 00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:09.199 wish from a genie, you know, because you be very careful about the 734 00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:15.360 way you word that. Yeah, we've all seen the towilatone right, so 735 00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:19.519 I don't know. Yeah, so there you go. Thank you, Chris. 736 00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:22.079 It's a nice air from you. I'm glad you brought up Archie's name 737 00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:25.280 and it's always nice to have people like yourself and send in questions and thank 738 00:48:25.320 --> 00:48:29.360 you so much. Yeah, thank you. Next question is from a guy 739 00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:35.159 named Steve Oh. The ability for AI to generate video and images will essentially 740 00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:39.639 cause us to dismiss any photo or video evidence moving forward. This may not 741 00:48:39.880 --> 00:48:44.480 really impact bigfoot research, as it seems that ninety nine percent of those who 742 00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:49.440 report a sighting suddenly forget that they had a camera or how to use it. 743 00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:53.519 Will you two continue to consider video dash photo evidence? And if so, 744 00:48:53.719 --> 00:48:59.239 what are you doing to educate yourselves on how to identify AI fakes for 745 00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:01.480 this kind of stuff? It's gonna be an emphasis going back to like videotape 746 00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:07.000 or something you know, like or even like regular film that's really expensive, 747 00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:09.679 not really too practical, but like using the old cable hunter like Roger and 748 00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:14.480 Roger Patterson had, you know, like something like kind of like digital. 749 00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:19.840 Yeah, digital's would be too easy to like shooting too a SD car or 750 00:49:19.880 --> 00:49:22.719 something like you can, I think, too easy to manipulate that, Like 751 00:49:22.880 --> 00:49:24.960 I only trust if it was from someone I knew, like or you know, 752 00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:30.159 it had to be way way you know, investigated, and you'd have 753 00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:35.079 to have impeccable sources and chain of custody and all that kind of stuff. 754 00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:40.039 Yeah, I will certainly continue to weigh video and photographic evidence, although I 755 00:49:40.199 --> 00:49:45.519 imagine that my standard answer of I don't know is going to be coming up 756 00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:49.239 more and more frequently. But as far as what I'm doing to educate myselves 757 00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:52.440 myself on how to identify AI fakes, right now, they all kind of 758 00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:55.320 have that same look about them, Like, right now, there's no reason 759 00:49:55.320 --> 00:49:59.559 to think that any of that stuff out there is real, and I think 760 00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:04.840 most that things can easily be identified as artificial intelligence generated. But you know, 761 00:50:04.920 --> 00:50:07.920 I also I think people who have listened for a while, kind of 762 00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:12.519 know that I don't put a ton of emphasis on what other people have done 763 00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:15.960 or are doing. I think for the most part, I'm really more focused 764 00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:20.519 on what I'm doing. But you know, I will say that if Bobo 765 00:50:20.679 --> 00:50:23.079 comes back with a photograph, it's not going to be AI man, because 766 00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:29.440 I know Boba well and he's got like technologically challenged in some ways. You 767 00:50:29.480 --> 00:50:31.360 know, I think that it has to go by a case by case basis. 768 00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:34.760 You know, that's one of the that's one of the things that people 769 00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:37.760 hold up as evidence about the Patterson Gimlin film being real is that Roger wasn't 770 00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:45.039 capable of doing a fake like that right now. Bobo's not capable of photoshop 771 00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:47.159 stuff right now. I mean, I'm barely play with photoshop. I'm not 772 00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:51.719 capable of photoshop stuff or AI. Really at the end of the day, 773 00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:53.920 I know, I could just type some prompt on some program or something like 774 00:50:53.960 --> 00:50:57.199 that have AI pump it out for me, But honestly, I don't even 775 00:50:57.239 --> 00:51:00.880 know where to do that. I am most focused on what I produce. 776 00:51:00.400 --> 00:51:07.159 Everybody else's stuff is interesting hearsay at best if I know the person personally and 777 00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:09.760 I can trust them, you know, like that'ster Matt Prude or somebody like 778 00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:13.880 that. You know, the then great, I can at least fall back 779 00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:16.079 on my relationship with that person to have some sort of faith in the thing 780 00:51:16.119 --> 00:51:21.039 that they produce. But as far as anything on the Internet, I kind 781 00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:23.400 of think most I mean ninety five percent of stuff on the internet's all fake 782 00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:27.519 anyway, even if people think it's real, I think most of it's garbage. 783 00:51:28.679 --> 00:51:31.960 So we'll see, We'll see when somebody produces something of value. But 784 00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:36.400 then we're gonna have to look beyond that. We're gonna look at the person's 785 00:51:36.400 --> 00:51:38.559 capability. Are they able to do this. We're gonna look at the person's 786 00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:43.039 background, have they faked things before they big for researchers, et cetera, 787 00:51:43.159 --> 00:51:46.199 blah blah blah. We're also gonna have to look at any footprint, footprint, 788 00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:50.639 photographs, or cast taken at the scene. Again, one of the 789 00:51:50.639 --> 00:51:53.639 great things about the PG film is that is supported with multiple kinds of evidence, 790 00:51:53.679 --> 00:51:59.119 and I think that any photograph or video going forward is going to have 791 00:51:59.199 --> 00:52:04.679 to be So if you, if anybody out there gets photographic evidence of Sasquatch, 792 00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:07.400 you need to get back on the scene, or get a researcher back 793 00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:12.679 on the scene as soon as possible to find other things that might corroborate your 794 00:52:12.719 --> 00:52:15.480 story, because at the end of the day, a story is still a 795 00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:17.639 story even if it has a picture with it, So you have to have 796 00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:25.880 something else to really bolster your claim, So keep that in mind. Yeah, 797 00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:30.360 last question, Matthew Hepworth, Hi, big Foot and Beyond. I'm 798 00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:32.920 a big fan of your podcast. I'm twenty four years old. I've been 799 00:52:32.920 --> 00:52:37.280 interested in salesquach since I was little. I was wonderay of Cliff and Bo. 800 00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:42.119 Do any expeditions with listeners keep it squatchy? Nope? I did. 801 00:52:42.320 --> 00:52:45.719 I did when I was saving money to make the museum. I brought small 802 00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:47.599 groups out. I think they're really good expeditions. Most, I think the 803 00:52:47.679 --> 00:52:52.360 vast majority of not everyone who went on them had a good time. We 804 00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:55.440 got great stuff that produced a couple of Class A sightings like daytime sightings, 805 00:52:55.679 --> 00:53:00.000 a couple of interesting Class B sightings through thermal imagers. We got footprint, 806 00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:02.719 so we got sounds. Yeah, it was a good time was had by 807 00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:06.559 all, and everybody got to go to the Glenn Thomas site here in mountain 808 00:53:06.559 --> 00:53:10.800 Hood National forests where the sasquatches were seen digging out the hybernating ground squirrels from 809 00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:14.760 the rock slope. So yeah, I think everybody had a great time and 810 00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:17.480 everything, but I do not do that anymore because I'm far too busy. 811 00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:22.920 And those take a tremendous amount of time and efforts and even money to produce, 812 00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:27.119 basically because you got to get you got to get permits from Mountainhod National 813 00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:30.679 Force every all public land you have to have permits run these trips on and 814 00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:35.599 you have to I fed people of course every single day, insurance insurance on 815 00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:38.039 top of it. You have to give a cut of your proceeds to the 816 00:53:38.119 --> 00:53:43.519 National Forests anoder the permit. So yeah, it's a it's a tremendous hassle. 817 00:53:43.719 --> 00:53:47.440 And permitting, at least from Mountinhod National Forests starts. It starts and 818 00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:51.960 ends in November, and you have to tell them where you're going to be 819 00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:55.719 going the following summer, whatever dates you choose, so you kind of have 820 00:53:55.760 --> 00:54:00.440 to give them a map and highlight maps on a Forest Service map where you 821 00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:02.480 intend to be walking at night and doing that sort of stuff, and you 822 00:54:02.599 --> 00:54:06.880 just never know. I found it to be far more cumbersome of a burden 823 00:54:06.920 --> 00:54:10.079 than I wanted. Uh, And you know, it helped me raise some 824 00:54:10.119 --> 00:54:13.800 money for the museum, and it was cool and I learned some sponts. 825 00:54:13.800 --> 00:54:15.920 It was great. But I don't do that anymore. I just do I 826 00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:20.639 go out a loan or in very very very small groups. I was starting 827 00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:22.920 to do some more and then I had, uh when I had all my 828 00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:27.960 gear ripped off, when that that publican got stolen off the back of my 829 00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:30.519 truck, when I was load enough to go up to go up for a 830 00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:32.639 trip. Yeah, I did. I did a couple in the last couple 831 00:54:32.679 --> 00:54:37.800 of years. I did one this year, and uh, usually it's just 832 00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:39.000 kind of like, I mean, people always like, hey, you know, 833 00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:40.599 you know, I'll buy the beer, let's go, you know, 834 00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:44.760 like that kind of stuff, and I'm like, you know, it's yeah, 835 00:54:44.760 --> 00:54:46.119 it's it's a big deal. I mean, it's it's a lot of 836 00:54:46.159 --> 00:54:50.320 work. I mean, you gotta because you unless you have like a set 837 00:54:50.360 --> 00:54:52.960 spot you're going to. But I try to like stay up on what's going 838 00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:55.480 on, the latest things like where we're most likely to find them, and 839 00:54:55.519 --> 00:55:00.960 then go to that spot. And yeah, you got to like rhun scout 840 00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:04.800 ahead of time and you know, put a lot of time in figure out 841 00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:08.599 the best chances we're gonna you know, possibly hear hear something or have an 842 00:55:08.679 --> 00:55:13.760 encounter. And it's pretty stressful too, you know. You tell people like 843 00:55:14.239 --> 00:55:15.760 don't expect to see anything, or you know, you might hear something, 844 00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:21.039 but don't expect to see anything, and then you still feel it's pressure to 845 00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:24.840 like deliver, you know. It is a lot of pressure. Yeah, 846 00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:28.239 and for me, I did a limited load, you know, like we 847 00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:30.519 only took ten or twelve people out of total, and then we capped it 848 00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:35.239 and that's it. And even then, like there's ten or twelve people expecting 849 00:55:35.280 --> 00:55:38.679 you to put them on a sasquatch. Yeah, that's a nuts thing that. 850 00:55:38.840 --> 00:55:42.880 I mean, we got really lucky we hit something usually on ever big 851 00:55:42.920 --> 00:55:45.519 trip, you know, but sometimes it was down to that last night, 852 00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:47.039 and it's God, I hope they're over here, hope somebody hears something. 853 00:55:47.079 --> 00:55:52.920 You know. Yeah, the pressure is just overwhelming. Honestly, it's just 854 00:55:52.360 --> 00:55:54.920 it kind of takes away. They're still fun to do, don't get me 855 00:55:54.920 --> 00:55:58.719 wrong. I mean, who doesn't like bigfooting, But it's just so much 856 00:55:58.760 --> 00:56:01.039 pressure and so much time, so much money to go out and at the 857 00:56:01.119 --> 00:56:05.639 end of the day, you know, it's it's hard to turn a profit. 858 00:56:05.679 --> 00:56:07.559 And that was my goal at the time because I was trying to dump 859 00:56:07.639 --> 00:56:09.639 money into the museum. Now that that pressure is off, you know, 860 00:56:09.880 --> 00:56:13.840 I'm just choosing not to do them anymore. Yeah, I mean, you 861 00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:16.039 had Jill and Sharon Blart. She was I mean that was the best. 862 00:56:16.039 --> 00:56:21.000 You had the best camp host ever. She was such a fantastic cook and 863 00:56:21.440 --> 00:56:27.199 bake baked desserts, multiple desserts every day. And yeah, that was great. 864 00:56:27.719 --> 00:56:30.639 Yeah, I will say I think I ran probably the best expeditions ever. 865 00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:32.280 Nothing against the BFO or anybody else who does these things, but we 866 00:56:32.360 --> 00:56:37.840 had Sharon Beelart cooking free every night, and it's like having your your mother 867 00:56:37.960 --> 00:56:40.559 cooking for the entire family every single night. It was a killer. On 868 00:56:40.599 --> 00:56:43.880 top of that, we had a special guest, I mean, Bobo was 869 00:56:43.880 --> 00:56:46.119 our special guest on some we had Derek Randall's, we had doctor Jeff Meldrum 870 00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:51.119 out there, we had we had like, you know, quote unquote celebrities 871 00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:55.840 on every single trip. Every single trip, all the camping was taken care 872 00:56:55.880 --> 00:57:00.280 of. I told you I couldn't put you on a big Foot. But 873 00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:02.400 we all went to the Glenn Thomas site every single expedition, so you got 874 00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:07.880 to see these holes in the ground that the sasquatches dug. Yeah, those 875 00:57:07.920 --> 00:57:14.119 are pretty a great expedition and again sasquatches are around the daylight sidings. In 876 00:57:14.119 --> 00:57:17.320 one case we had one daylight sighting and several nighttime things. Really really cool 877 00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:22.719 stuff happened, but no more too bad. All right, Well, I 878 00:57:22.719 --> 00:57:24.639 think that's about it for this Q and a thank you very much for all 879 00:57:24.679 --> 00:57:29.280 your submissions. And if you have a question you would like to ask Bobo 880 00:57:29.360 --> 00:57:31.320 and I and or even Matt Proot for that matter, go ahead and go 881 00:57:31.400 --> 00:57:36.119 to Big One and Beyond podcast dot com, hit the contact button and ask 882 00:57:36.280 --> 00:57:38.480 away. You can even leave us a voicemail. We love those. Of 883 00:57:38.519 --> 00:57:43.360 course, we like hearing our listeners, so yeah, go ahead and do 884 00:57:43.440 --> 00:57:45.360 that for us. And now we're going to go do the Members section. 885 00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:50.400 Members have a special episode every single week. If you would like to become 886 00:57:50.400 --> 00:57:52.079 a member, you might want to consider it. You can go to Bigfit 887 00:57:52.119 --> 00:57:57.039 and Beyond podcast dot com and hit the membership link and it'll tell you everything 888 00:57:57.079 --> 00:57:59.480 you need to know. But what you get for that is you get an 889 00:57:59.480 --> 00:58:02.639 extra hour of Cliff, Bobo and Matt every single week, and you also 890 00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:10.000 get these regular episodes with zero commercials, no commercials whatsoever. That alone seems 891 00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:13.760 to be worth five bucks. So that's what you get. Five bucks a 892 00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:16.559 month. You get all these gifts showered upon you. Plus this is something 893 00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:20.360 that I kind of neglect. I forget to mention honestly, when we talk 894 00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:23.360 about something like that tree break I mentioned earlier, or we go to some 895 00:58:23.400 --> 00:58:28.239 deep dive into some thing that I found, or what Bobo's doing, and 896 00:58:28.280 --> 00:58:30.199 like he has behind the scenes things that he wants to share, we share 897 00:58:30.199 --> 00:58:35.199 them with members on the Patreon account. Only members can see these things, 898 00:58:35.440 --> 00:58:38.079 and I think that's pretty cool. So you may want to consider becoming a 899 00:58:38.079 --> 00:58:42.559 member just so you can see picture of these tree breaks for footprints or handprints 900 00:58:42.639 --> 00:58:45.639 or any of these things that we're talking about on air. Kind of a 901 00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:50.599 cool little feature there. Yeah, it is cool, all right, folks. 902 00:58:50.599 --> 00:58:53.559 Well, that's another week of Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo and 903 00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:58.880 our super producer Mat prove it. So yeah, thanks for joining us, 904 00:58:58.880 --> 00:59:07.760 and until next week, y'all keep it squatchy. Thanks for listening to this 905 00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:10.679 week's episode of Bigfoot and Beyond. If you liked what you heard, please 906 00:59:10.760 --> 00:59:15.159 rate and review us on iTunes, subscribe to Bigfoot and Beyond wherever you get 907 00:59:15.159 --> 00:59:21.519 your podcasts, and follow us on Facebook and Instagram at Bigfoot and Beyond podcast. 908 00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:25.079 You can find us on Twitter at Bigfoot and Beyond that's an N in 909 00:59:25.119 --> 00:59:30.960 the middle, and tweet us your thoughts and questions with the hashtag Bigfoot and Beyond.