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and James Boobo Fay, Hello, Bobo? How you doing? Man?
Okay? What's going on? Cliff? All sorts of stuff as usual?
You know me, Man, I don't sit still very long. I've I've
got lots to tell you about. But anything else? Anything you want to
start with? Or should I just jump into my crazy life here? Jump
in my last pretty pretty static lately? Really? Okay? Well, well
I want to start that I tell you about my new favorite word. No,
oh my god, I stumbled upon my new favorite word, and this
this is my favorite in several ways. You know, I'm a word nerd
in general. I love words. They're fun to play with. Some of
my previous favorite words have been things like gazebo, spatula, you know,
like it's fun sounding words. But this word hit me everywhere I wanted it,
man, everywhere I wanted to be hit. It smacked me good because
number one, it sounds great and number two. It's actually something I absolutely
love this word. I'll give you the definition first. The definition of this
word is to stay in bed longer than you should, even though you should
be up, because but you're staying in bed because it's warm and cozy.
Right, Yeah, that's what this word means. It's from it's from I
guess this is a Scottish word. It's a verb, and the word is
to herkle durkle no way, Yeah, I am a hirkle durkler like I
am a lifelong hirkle durkler. I love me some hirkle durklin. I know.
So that's I mean, that's one of the highest points of my week.
And by the way, I cast Prince this week and that is still
one of the highest points of my let's hear about the France. Oh but
no, you don't't to talk about hurkle dierklin anymore. You'd work it,
just work it into the whatever possible. Oh totally, I've got to totally
be work workled girkle in this and then everywhere. Man. Yeah, so
yeah, herkle dirklin. I did it this morning. I plan to do
it tomorrow. I just cannot get enough of that word. I'm just so
thrilled about it. But I guess onto more pertinent things, more big footy
things. So I don't remember if I spoke to you about this last time.
But I was out at a regular spot this like in the last couple
of weeks, and I'm driving back from I forget where I was out doing
big foot up at some point, and I was in my car alone.
So I must be one of these. I go alone a lot. And
by the way, for our listeners and whatever, and even for you,
bobo, I don't find stuff every time I go. I just tell you
about this stuff I find when it happens I go. I think, this
week alone, I've been out there three times, you know, this week
alone, this past week. I'm out there kind of a lot, you
know. And you consider, like once or two a month, I hit
gold and I find prints, and I'm going to like between one and three
times a week sometimes, you know, you do the maths. I'm not
finding this stuff every time, So everybody can calm down and all the skeptists
can stop throwing rocks and all this other stuff. I'm right now, I'm
bat and I think about twenty thirty percent, which is really good. That's
good. Yeah. I mean, I'm not a sports guy, as I
think most people know, but seems to me that's pretty good at batting average.
I don't know. But anyway, so I'm driving back from I forget
where, alone in my car, and and oh, I remember, yeah,
this is when I was stripping back after dropping Melissa off at the airport.
She just got back from storm chasing of all things. She's back now
and she had a wonderful time, saw herself some tornadoes, and I said,
what when you were gone? I found I planted some tomatoes, as
that count. But anyway, I'm driving back. I went. I dropped
her off at the at the airport, like at three in the morning or
something, you know, because she had a five am flight, you know,
And for me that means leaving the house at two to be at the
airport by three, which I got to wake up at one, which is
a crazy time to wake up because I sometimes don't go to bed till two
am. Right that maybe I get negative one hour sleep and that's exhausting.
But anyway, so I dropped her off at the airport, I went straight
to the woods. I wanted to catch the morning shift, you know,
because I'm never up at that hour because I'm a herkle Durkler. I might
be laying in bed at that hour, but I'm not up by any means.
I'm probably busy herkle durkling. So anyway, I drive straight to the
woods and I start walking these roads early in the morning. I do find
an old print and I cast it, which was cool. It was pretty
old, though, and I think I hit two other roads for nothing,
didn't find anything at all. And by then it's like eleven thirty, you
know, so I'd been out there for seven hours or something, eight hours,
and so I'm driving back on this long stretch and this then a tree
break on the left hand side catches my attention. I don't know what it
was about it, because there's a lot of broken trees that ezer are on
most roads, right because they take a brushog on the end of one of
these machine things and just and just cut away push back the rainforest, you
know. So something about this one caught my eye and I said, I
stop, and I go, yeah, okay, I'll back up and take
a look. I back up the thirty forty feet that it took me to
stop or whatever. And I'm looking at this thing in the car, right,
and at about eight or nine feet up it's broken. I'd probably like
an eight or ten feet up it's broken. And then above the ground,
like where the top of the tree was, you know, it's broken again.
So that part's pointing up. They go, well, that's odd,
you know, and It's like, well, that deserves a closer look.
I mean, sure it could have broken twice, no big deal, like
maybe the tippy top broke and then the regular thing broke with snowload. If
I'm looking around, there's nothing else there that would give me indication at all
that is snowload. Right, And then I look closely and like these side
branches coming out, two or three of them, like these little tiny like
they're probably one centimeter or something like that in diameter. They go out and
then immediately are curved back around and then shove between other branches, like two
or three of these things. And I'm thinking that looks a lot like that
weird tree break that they've found not three miles away, you know, back
in December that I think our listeners, at at least a certainly our members
have seen pictures of isn't that right, prude? Our members have pictures of
this stuff. Yes, we posted quite a bit of that for the Patreon
members there. Okay, very good. Well I'll get you some pictures of
this thing too to post for the Patreon members for them. Of course,
if you want to be a members five bucks a month, you get an
extra hour and you also get this episode with zero commercials. Anyway, there's
that. So anyway, I said, well, that's interesting. You know,
I got it. Then I knew I was going to be out later
in the week with the rest of the team here at the museum, So
we went out. We hit one of the spots in this general area that
we nicknamed I think I told you about at the Outer Rim. But on
the way out there, we passed this tree. So we all got out
of the car and say, hey, check this thing out. Trip out
on this and Nico, a train tracker by the way, found a footprint
really closed, like five or eight feet away from it, and I thinking,
crap, how did I miss that? That sucks? I mean,
but Nico's a train tracker. We's better at this stuff than I am.
And I said, well, look at that it's a really decent print,
and we start tracking it and I find that there's about four three or four
or five others of these before I just lose the trail off in the woods.
It's like, oh, shoot, not only a track, we have
a track way, which is really interesting. That's cool, And I say,
I got to remember to come back here and cast these things, right,
So that's what I did this past week. So Keith and I went
out and we went to the spot and then said, Keith, look at
I'm going to cast this print next to the tree, you know, and
whatever else. And we decided, well, you know, let's go look
at the other side of the road, because this is right on the road
right. Start pushing off and start fanning out, and about fifty yards into
the tree line, I run across a segmented trackway. I found two or
three of these things go in one direction and then one going the other.
And it's a very small area and it seems to be a size that I
recognize, about eleven and a half twelve inches. And then he and I
spend the next hour or two or more really combing that area. I came
back with fore casts. All of them are crappy. I mean, you
can barely see anything in any of these except for one of them. One
of them is actually pretty decent. You can see the general shape of the
foot, a nice big toe and stuff like that. But once again,
I got a handprint out of this area, no way. I mean,
the cast sucks the cat because it was underground and you know, and I
guess some rodents or something where, like, some burrowing animals were nearby,
so when I poured the plaster in, like it went into some of the
fingerprints and then you know, filled up their burrows essentially. But it was
a really interesting situation because tracking the animal. We tracked it. I mean
I'm not a great tracker, you know, I want to emphasize that again,
but I follow it for like fifteen feet twenty feet, then we lose
it for fifty or one hundred feet, and then we pick it up again
somewhere else. You know, it takes a long time to figure out where
it's going because I don't find these tracks consecutively, but we do pick up
little segments of the trackway. But near as I can figure it was going
from rotten stump to rotten stump and then digging in the rotten stumps. And
I'm saying that because I found next to rotten stumps that had fresh tears,
and in a couple of them you can actually see scratch marks of four or
five fingers at a time with no claws, and they were spread apart,
much wider than a bears could be. So pretty pretty great week. You
know, between this trackway that that that is tied directly to a weird tree
break, with this interweaving sort of nonsense in it, it's that nonsense.
Well, well, clearly not, It's what I'm saying. That's my point
here, you know, like I don't think these things are horses, are
weaving horse manes or any of that stuff. I think that's all nonsense.
Bob Gimblin even told me himself, and I'm Bob Gimblin is clearly rather experienced
in horses that all that stuff is probably pretty much just you know, wind
braids, you know, from horses in the window. Yeah. Yeah,
but these things are just very weird and very unusual. And so I have
a one to one correlation between these weird tree break things and sasquatch footprints,
which is encouraging. And then just a short distance away foraging sign, you
know, and of course obvious. I think that one can guess and assume
that sasquatches break apart rotten stumps stuff because bears do it, right, that
that's a I think it's a pretty safe assumption, but it is still an
assumption until you find evidence thereof And I think, you know, and I
found places where sasquatch tracks have been found, with logs moved aside and that
sort of stuff. But this is the first time that I found direct correlation
between breaking apart stumps and finger marks and stumps and the sasquatch tracks. So
again, just slowly piecing together the puzzle that is laid out before us,
and then whenever I make any progress on that at all, it's a thrilling
week. And then you add on top of that the Herkle Dirkle thing.
It's been outstanding as it is. Yeah, I don't I mean, I
don't know what could have been better, really, you know? So anyway,
that's that's the story of my week. Hmm. Tops of mind.
Oh okay, well all right, well, well you know what this will
make you feel better today is a Q and a episode to hear a big
Thing and Beyond, where we take questions from our listeners. We do this
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Go ahead and type us a question and we will get to it. We
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that bobo that'll make you feel better, kind of give you more exciting week.
Sure. Well all right, so mister Matt Prue, why don't you
lay the first away smail upon us? Please? Hey, guys, Mike
here, I hope you guys are all doing well. Love listening to podcasts
as always, guys, So rewatching some old episodes of Monster Quests. They
always talk about, you know, they put pheromone chips out there trying to
lure in a bigfoot or you know, something like that, and anytimes I've
ever seen them use it, I've never seen them actually like be successful.
Do you guys personally feel that pheromone ships work on bringing them closer? I
mean, I know they smell terrible, and they got good sense of smells
and they'd be able to smell them from a good distance, But I want
to know they actually do work. I feel like I never hear about them
anymore. I feel like only back in the early two thousands. All right,
that's my question. Hope you guys have a good day. Keep a
squatchy, Love you guys. Michael Maddener first fan. But anyways, yeah,
I had a jar of them back in the mid two thousands or so
early two thousands. Yea, it was early two thousands because I know in
two thousand and one or two thousand and two, I think it was two
thousand and one that doctor Bamernet gave us some gave John Fredis more than I
got some more, and we had them up. We went up on the
we were on the go road up to Bluff Creek, and John put him
out along the road like every few hundred yards. We put him out,
and we put a couple around our camp. I thought we should have put
them all and where they were inside of us, like, you know,
nothing could just come up. And I didn't want them to figure out what
it was, you know, I didn't want them to, you know,
find a chip and then for people. I know, those things were plastic
chips, like a not much bigger than like a poker chip or something,
but they the smell was just incredibly strong. It was just overpowering, make
you wretch. And we had those out and I was laying in the in
the back of the bed of my truck and I had a shell on it,
my little Toyota, and this thing came walking. I could hear it
come down the road and I heard some snaps coming down the road and like
tree branches and the road was dirt on both sides of the road like dirt,
and bankers went up like forty five degree angles. It was kind of
a steep sided embankment about fifteen feet up. John had tied him into these
little trees that the foresters had planted to stabilize the rock slides there and stuff,
and they were, you know, maybe three four feet little gnarled things,
and so they were tired noose and I heard those I heard some snapping,
and then it, uh it walked and I heard it like these big,
long, heavy footfalls coming down the road, and I got so I
think it I think it was I don't know if it was in for sounding
us or if it was just I just got scared, like more than I'd
ever been scared before. And I remember as it came up, I just
saw this black mass like it was just black, just all black, so
outside of the truck window, and I couldn't see the shape or anything.
It was just black. And I just pulled a sleep bag over my head
and held my breath. I tried to like not. I thought I was
just going to rip the truck open and drag me out or something, and
then it just it never stopped, just walked by my truck about two feet
f like within two feet of it. I was parked on the edge of
the road. We were in a pull out, and it walked past the
truck and then it turned down and it went down this almost a cliff face.
It was so steep. I had to have a rope to go down
to the tree. And then as it was going, as it went down
the hill, I heard the loudest snap tree break I ever heard in my
life. And it snapped at eleven inch hardwood, like sixty foot tree or
fifty foot tree whatever, I mean, I don't know what it was.
It was big, and maybe it was forty feet, yeah, it was
probably thirty five forty. But it snapped it and it went down and fell
down the hill, down the embankment, because it's like a you know,
it goes down for several hundred feet, just really super steep, like you'd
have to have rope, and it just went down and just that was it.
But we went back in the morning and looked around where those pheromont tips
were toasched to the trees. Those whole trees were snapped torn off, and
the the pheromoneships were gone. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff
and Bogo will be right back after these messages. If nothing else at all,
those things are very strong smelling, and it kind of goes back to
my general idea about bigfoots is that if you give them something that they don't
know anything about, they're probably gonna come check it out, because they're relatively
smart animals. You know, they're probably the smartest thing in the woods.
And you know, the same reason he's a slide whistle. Give him something
that they've never heard before and get their curiosity up and see if they want
to come in. And maybe that smell does that. Now? Is it
actually a sexual attraction because these are sex pheromones. I'm not exactly sure what
they're from, but fro I understand. I have it in my head that
these are secretions of some sort from apes and humans. Although I mean,
how would you get these things? I mean, I understand physically, how
you might you know, get these things? Well, yeah, your hobbies
are your hobbies, bobs, you know, And I'm you know, if
you can help doctor Bambineck in some way, I'm glad you can. But
but you know, is it is it that sort of attraction or is it
just a curiosity sort of thing? You know, because because I have pulled
over on the side of the road because I drove through a stink of something
dead and rotting, I went like what and I backed up and did it
and I smelled it again, And so I've even had my curiosity raised about
smells to go check out before in the woods turned out to be a dead,
rotting elk, by the way, But maybe that's what's going on with
these maybe, But is it a sexual attraction. I don't know. I
think that jury is still out. But but I think that you do anything
of any of the senses. You make noises, you you have weird visual
things, you anything unusual that that approaches their them in some way, some
sensory way is likely to other attention and bring them in for a slightly closer
look. That's the whole thing behind the finding bigfoot nonsense we did in the
woods. You know, I'd get I'm sure we'd all get letters from emails.
Still do. Yeah, but like they're doing it wrong. You should
go sit up in a tree and decent yourself. And we're camouflage and in
the dark and blah blah blah said, yeah, but that's terrible TV.
And we can't be quiet anyway because we have a producer and a camera person
and a sound person and all these other persons people wandering around of this can't
be quiet. You just can't. So the other option is to go big
and try to draw them in out of curiosity. So that's what we did.
And I think the pheromone chips is probably are somewhere in that realm.
Probably. Yeah, do they work? I think anything unusual works, And
if something stinks real bad or smells really good, I think that would work
just fine. Yeah, agreed. Yeah, And they were used on the
Skukum Cast expedition in early two thousand. I think that's two thousand. Actually,
yeah, they weren't. They used there with some success. But is
it because of that or is it just because they had something unusual, Like
could you use pachuli or something, you know, could you use sandal with
intense? I don't know. Maybe maybe you would have the same effect.
I'm not really sure. I think it's I think it's being primate definitely helps.
The question is do you think you're fooling like like one our smell you
know, females, sasquatch or whatever, you know, some kind of primate
around here. You know, is that Is that more enticing than something that
smells like, you know, a novelty like some Brazilian center, you know,
some scent from Australia or Asia that they've never smelled before. I think,
I think the fact that it's from primate secretions that it's like more effective.
I asked my opinion. Yeah, I don't know. I think the
jury's out on that one. Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean the
jury's out. But I think the fact that it is female primate secretions embedded
and I think that definitely. I think that helps for sure. Yeah,
I suppose it can't hurt. I mean really at the end of the day,
right, Yeah, but yeah, Novelty's Novelty's big with the squatch to
get them to come in. Yeah, that's what I think at least.
Yeah. Yeah, I don't even know how to get those things. If
we ever have a doctor Bambinak on the on the show, we got to
ask him how he gets these things. He offered me some ten years ago
and I didn't get them from him. Oh he still sells them. We
have some here at the museum actually, and you know what, the two
or three times I've smelled sasquatches myself. Yeah, the chips are kind of
a little bit like that, kind of but these have a little bit of
that in there that but it's not quite right. It could be dialed in
a little bit better, but I don't know. Still not that far away
either. I guess it's a good way to say it. Do you think
we answered that one? Yep? What else you got through it? Good
afternoon, guys, A little day from Alabama. Since it's the hundredth anniversary
of the Ape Canyon attack. I'm just curious your thoughts on the attack.
I know they said they observed some sasquatches earlier. Do you think that if
they had have fired on them first that they never would have been attacked that
night? Just a little food for thought, because they seemed to draw first
blood, and the sasquatches are definitely retaliated. Thanks guys, love the show
and have a great one. I think it happened. I think that it
didn't quite happen the way they said, But I think that those guys got
the crap scared out of them, and I think that there were Sasquatches there.
I think the story is more or less the way they described it.
But I think that they were some very, very very tough men who were
very very scared, and I think that that combination caused them to perhaps exaggerate
some things or perhaps even misinterpret some of the things that were going on.
But you know, some of the other things that were noted but the miners
didn't talk about, I think are a particular interest. A couple of days
later after the event. The event, of course, was on July TI,
and a couple of days later, I think three days later, they
went back up there. The two of the miners were convinced to go back
up there. It was Fred Beck and not Marion Smith. The other one
Leroy Leroy Smith. Thank you, thank you, Leroy Smith. Those two
young men went back up there with a couple of police officers and a couple
of reporters from the Portland Daily News I think it was called a Portland News
and photographers and a couple of rangers. Bob Welch. Bill Welch was one
of the rangers. I'm terrible with names, but I think I'm getting more
or less right. You's always fact check me. Too. I do make
small errors all the time. But they went back up there, and one
of the things that they noticed when they returned to the site, besides the
footprints that were all around there, the place was apparently lousy with footprints.
What the miners did not report that they later discovered is that one of the
animals, presumably the sasquatch, was trying to dig underneath the foundation, you
know, to some degree. And I think that's kind of scary and cool
too. But as far as the miners, you know, they were out
to get us and kill us and all that sort of stuff. I think
they were scared, honestly, and I think that that caused them to exaggerate
some things, or at least probably just telling it like they thought it.
They thought they were gonna die. But have you seen the size of the
missing log. Upon the initial attack, when the sasquatch hit the outside of
the cabin, it knocked out a huge piece of log called a chinking from
the cabin wall. That's a really big space that's like almost a foot in
diameter, and I think, and well not diameter because it's not a circle,
but there's like a foot gap in the side of the of the cabin.
I can't help but think that, you know, if that was the
case, then the guys probably would have all been killed, because the sasquatches
would probably reach inside and grab them, or kill them, or rip apart
the cabin themselves. I mean, those are big logs and stuff, but
a group of men building a cabin is probably a lot harder than one or
two or three sasquatches ripping apart a cabin. You know. I think that
they probably could have gotten in had they really really were, like if they
were super intent upon it. But I also think that all that trouble started
because they shot one of the They shot these things, they're shooting at them,
and then they actually dropped one. They don't know if they killed it,
but the thing went over the edge and disappeared into the canyon, presumably
dead, but we don't know. Maybe it wasn't dead, you know,
maybe just pissed it off. When the miners looked outside of the missing chinking,
I believe, I believe they claimed to see six of these things dancing
gleefully in the moonlight or something to that effect, some waxing poetic nonsense.
I don't know. I don't know I think that's probably too many, But
I don't know. I mean, who knows. Maybe there were six,
but that seemed that feel to me. That feels to me like it's just
too many. They were scared out of their mind. These things were on
the roof. It's not a big deal though, if you know, the
cabin sits on a very very steep slope, so it would take all of
a four foot jump to get on the roof. It wouldn't be that big
of a deal. They were all around the area, the footprints were in
the ground. I think it did happen. I think it happened more or
less the way the miners explained, with some you know, fear thrown into
the mix. Yeah, I mean I think for I don't think there's any
doubt it happened. I don't. I don't have a problem with six of
them being there. I mean, they've been seen in groups of six or
more, you know, at times, not often, but it definitely is
not unheard of at all. It's a lot. That's a big that's a
big group. But they're probably there's probably exactly if there's three or four,
that's a lot, you know, So who knows, But I have no
doubt that the event occurred. Yeah, I mean, I think that any
any bigfooter has probably tried to put themselves in that situation at the time.
And I've spent a fair amount of time doing that myself, because it's one
of my favorite stories and so historically significant and right in our backyard. I've
been to the cabin side, and we have artifacts from the location in the
museum here, like it's a it's a great it's a great, great event.
You know, it's one of the seminal events and bigfooting history's I was
called one of the classics, right, So I spent a lot of time
what would have been like in that situation. I can't help but think that
even two or three sasquatches, if they're running around outside slapping the crap out
of the outside of the cabin and hopping on the roof and throwing stuff,
they can make themselves sound like they're six or ten or twenty or fifty of
these things. I think two or three of them would be enough to put
the fear of God into all the miners, you know. I think to
one of the points of Little Dave's question regarding whether or not it was retaliation.
I mean, there's so many reports of Sasquatches slapping homes, cabins,
shelters that people are hiding inside or sheltered inside, and throwing rocks at the
exterior walls and the roof, none of which involve gunfire. So I don't
think it would just be that, oh, that's a behavior that's only exhibited
in response or in retaliation too having been shot at. I mean, there
might be a connection there, but you could find hundreds of other claims of
analogous behaviors that have no gun fire involved with whatsoever. Yeah, if the
miners are correct and they're not exaggerating at all or very much, then maybe
that extra level of aggression was because these guys shot and possibly killed one of
these things, because if you look at the other, another not the other.
But another incident is the Bauman incident, you know, where these guys
shot at the saying and the Sasquatch retaliated and killed two out of three guys
that were there. So that's that's somewhat of a track record. But I
also know of other situations where people have fired on sasquatches clearly hit them according
to the witness and the Bigfoots didn't do anything at all. Is there a
pattern here, I don't know. I don't know if there is or not.
It's for people that I've talked to them that I believe that tell me
they've shot them and probably killed them, or they pretty sure they killed them.
There wasn't really much any There wasn't really hardly didn't retaliation like like not.
You'd think like they'd go crazy, like there are some stories with them
going crazy, people shooting them, going crazy to whatever they can, doing
everything they can to get to the humans. But then there's I've talked to
more people that it's like they're like yeah, they they like, you know,
I was scared of something's going to happen, Like I was waiting for
something to happen. But nothing else happened, And there was and there,
and there was others around that they knew, like they saw other ones that
were around there. Yeah, looking for a pattern in this game is pretty
hard, you know, because the Sasquatches, of course, are individuals,
and they all have their own temperaments, they all have their own past experiences
that they build their own lives out of, you know, Like it's hard
to find a pattern and all this, and and then you add on top
of it the unreliability of witnesses and their interpretation of what they observe or claim
to observe. The whole thing is just kind of be fuddling, you know,
just makes you want to hurkle burkle all day. I guess you took
care of that. Yeah, best as best we can, Little Dave,
Yeah, little Dave, Little Dave, right on. Appreciate your questions.
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. Will be right
back after these messages. What else you got? Prough it theay, Cliff,
Hey, Bobo, it's Adam from Staffordge England. Again. Hopefully this
time we don't really break you too well. Just another quick question. Why
do you think we have quite quite a big set of data for footprint casts
but we don't have many knuckles or handprints? Is it because people just aren't
looking for that type of thing? Thanks and keep up the great work.
I think that's it. Yeah, I mean people have this thing in their
head like you know, toe, big toe, then you know the rest
of the toes, the outline of his foot shape. I mean that's that's
what's on my brain when I'm looking, you know, that's that's what you're
most looking for. And then those those knuckle princes and stuff. They are
pretty obscure usually, are you think, Clive, Yeah, yeah, And
let me go back to the beginning of your question. We don't have a
lot of footprint evidence. We just simply don't. I think that the number
of casts in the entire world is is far less than five hundred, probably
less than four hundred, that'd be my guest. So there's not a ton
of data to be shared anyway. That's a lot of photographs of footprints and
stuff, and that would probably triple that. Imagine with all the legit photographs
of good quality footprints in the ground. Yeah, you're probably looking at you
know, I don't know, a thousand or fifteen hundred or something like that.
And that's being pretty liberal in my estimate there. I think perhaps a
more conservative one to be in order there. But and as far as footprints
and handprints, it's hard enough to see sasquatch footprints in the ground. It
is really a different sort of thing. And I've said that lots of times
that the John Green books and the Groverkrant stuff, and all these footprint casts
really have distorted the Bigfoot communities impressions on Sasquatch impressions, you know, no
pun indentity. They're not usually very clear, and that's a combination of the
way their foot is and the way their foot it interacts with the ground and
also on the substrate on which they walk on a regular basis. You know,
in my particular area where we're finding these things. You know, I'm
confident we're finding Sasquatch footprints, and I'm also confident that I'm making mistakes and
doing misidentifications sometimes, I mean, I must be, But at the end
of the day, I think the vast majority of the things that I say
or Sasquatch footprints or handprints probably are But the people are looking for footprints that
are clear in the ground. We've been taught through the John Green books that
these things are very heavy animals and they're very deep in the ground, and
that's one of the characteristics of Sasquatch prints, but that simply is not correct.
They have big, soft, padded feet that rarely leave an impression.
Very often. I'm finding that their toes might a couple toes might make a
weird mark in the ground, or their heel might be there, but it's
generally not a full footprint. So basically people aren't looking for the right things
for footprints. And then you add the handprints and knuckle prints on top of
that. Those are even less expected than a footprint. You aren't going to
go out and look for I remember the first time I saw a sasquatch handprint
out in the woods. It took me a long time to wrap my head
around what I was seeing. Nico was there with me. Luckily, Nico's
a good tracker, as I said, and I was there. I said,
Nico, like, we're looking at this, like, what is this
market? Like? What are these these marks in the ground, I mean,
what's like? What is that? Those can't be toes. I tried
to make it. I tried to make those toe impressions. They weren't.
They were finger impressions. And then eventually that with placement and context and all
that, jazz I said, holy crap, these are handprints. And I
kept asking, am I wrong? Nico said, I don't know. I
think that that's what it looks like to me. And we went back and
forth for a long time and then found footprints nearby and the whole thing and
really solidified our model there, our perspective, our guests. But people are
not. First of all, they don't know what they're looking for. And
even with footprints, let alone handprints and knuckle prints, I think that most
of the handprints that I have found have been on vertical surfaces. So these
things are scrambling up like road embankments and that sort of stuff a time when
you would expect their hand to touch the ground. Not all of them,
not all of them, you know, but most of them. And then
when you so if you're going to find sasquatch handprints or knuckle prints, it
has to be an area where it's kind of lounging around, probably a little
bit. I in my in my cast collection, I obviously have the most
famous one, which is the nineteen eighty two, the June sixteenth, nineteen
eighty two knuckle print from the Blue Mountains that Paul Freeman got in conjunction with
the dermal footprints. I have another one from Grant's Pass area that Ray Rosa,
one of our guests on the show here collected back in the day.
I have several others from this past. I have one other there's a questionable
one too. There's another one from this past June in Mountain Hood National Forest
that a friend of mine got that's very very cool. And also there's another
one in doctor Meldrim's book that was collected by Paul Freeman that initially they identified
as toe marks, but it turned out to be knuckle marks, and doctor
Meldrim put his hand down in the same position to really drive that home,
and a picture of it. It's in doctor Meldrim's book. You could check
that out. But there aren't very many people out there looking for footprints at
all. Okay, I mean I'm out there at least once a week doing
it, But I mean, how many other people are out there once a
month specifically looking for footprints in the ground. I don't know, that doesn't
maybe maybe that many. And the handprints are even less frequently found because they're
even harder to identify than sasquatch footprints, which are very hard to identify.
And then you get to the knuckle stuff. I have seen knuckle prints in
the ground that if they hadn't been pointed out to me, I wouldn't recognize
them for what they are. And when I started looking at them, and
go, oh wow, that's really interesting, and then luckily this person cast
one, so it does exist. But anyway, I guess that's a very
very long winded answer. Sorry about that for the short answer, which is
people don't know what to look for, you know, even I'm just still
learning this, you know. I'm sure we've all looked at them. We've
all looked at knuckle prints and not realized what it was. I'm sure,
yeah, yeah, because I know for myself, and I'm assuming a lot
of people are out there. When I'm out there and I'm seeing things like
could that be this? Or am I just fool in myself? I'm always
asking myself, am I fool in myself? Because this seems too good to
be true? I mean, it's too good to be true to find a
Sasquatch footprint, let alone, you know, like five or eight since the
beginning of twenty twenty four. I mean that's pretty good stellar, you know.
So I'm always asking myself is do I just have big foot on the
brain. That's why I'm always looking for more than one footprint. If I
can find the trackway that goes a long ways towards making me feel better about
it, then I usually can, usually can, But trackways aren't like,
oh, there's a footprint, there's a footprint, there's a footprint. It's
like, oh, this is a possible footprint that's very very shallow and kind
of vague. But over there there's a scuff mark. Oh, I see
it to over and over there there's another scuff mark where the ferns have been
pushed down. You got to look for more than just the indentation in the
soil, because ninety nine percent of sign of any animals passing isn't going to
be in the soil. It's going to be other sign, broken blades of
grass, push down ferns, the sheen of the morning dew looking a little
bit differently than it does everywhere else. You know, that's sort of stuff.
I'm not a good tracker, but tracking is an art far beyond me.
I'm lucky to have been waiting in that pool at all in the last
couple of years to the level I have, and I'm very very lucky to
have leveled up recently, I think. But yeah, people don't know what
they're looking for. People will walk right past a handprint, let alone footprint,
so let alone knuckle prints they're even more rare. Those are my thoughts.
All right, So this is the last voicemail, and I think you
too might be stumped and trying to answer this particular one. Good stump me
bring it well, terror part that's stump and eat the grubs within. Guys,
regarding the bigfoot ness turning out to be only DNA found a horse related
I know this is gonna sound crazy, but what about terodactyls those people who
claim that they might still exist and could some horses be somehow related genetically to
terodactyls and that's why that you found horse DNA? Just wondering. Bye,
Oh, that's definitely crazy. Yeah, that's that's pretty out there. Yeah,
but this is bigfoot and beyond that's big that's bigfoot and gone. But
I don't know. I've never heard the horse thing, so that would be
my first question. I think about that one and the terodactyls stuff. I
mean, I know some people report seeing thunderbirds or whatever. Maybe that's what
he's talking about, but I've never heard a credible report of a pterodactyl siding.
My barber told it years. My barber told me sort of about terodactyl
siding, but I strongly think it was a great blue heron and he was
scared or repelican, Yeah, something like that, you know, something to
that effect. Yeah, But I don't accept that terodactyls are still living,
so I don't need to worry about that, you know. But as far
as pterodactyls and horses being related, I can't imagine that would be true.
Terodactyls would be reptiles of some sort, and of course horses are mammals,
so I don't think that would be the case at all. And as far
as he's being terodactyl nests, I've been to the nest site. I've been
to both nest site, and I just don't see how they could really be
effective bird nests like a large bird nest at all. There's no sign of
any bird droppings or anything like that. And there were also signs of rocks
being clacked together. Like the rocks were found on top of the surface the
substrate, not down inside of it, so they were placed there, and
sasquatches has been observed knocking rocks together. So I don't think there's any reason
I think that these are anything but sasquatchss at this point, let alone terodactyls
because I don't think terret actyls are still living, and I don't think and
certainly they're not related to horses. I think that humans are probably far more
closely related to horses than tered actyls are, because we're both mammals. Well,
that that was a good way to end the voicemail ones. That's kind
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Thank you, mister Matt Prut. You couldn't do it without you. All
right. We got a question here from uh rabbit rabid says squatch, Oh
rabbit sasquatch the little gap through me? Okay. In Krantz's book, he
mentions that he's identified five characteristic traits of a sasquatch foot and kept one a
secret in order to help distinguish the hoaxes from real prince. I'm wondering if
Cliff has figured out what the secret character characteristic is actually there. There were
I want to say three characteristics. I could be wrong, maybe this five,
and all of them were kept secret. It wasn't just one, it
was they were all kept secret so he could stop people from hoaxing him.
It turns out that that when doctor see a lot of the lot of Krantz's
stuff when he died, went to the smith Sony and some of the stuff,
a small percentage, probably about ten percent of it, some cripple footcasts,
some stuff that from Gray's Harvard County. His complete skeleton, Krantz's complete
skeleton with the Smithsonian, along with his Irish wolfhounds, and a few other
odds and ends, some of his papers, but most of it, the
Lion's share of his stuff ended up with doctor Jeff Meldrum And I asked Jeff
about this, and Jeff said he ran across an envelope and inside of the
envelope was several things written out in code with the code for translation, and
I have a copy of that somewhere. Doctor Meldrim shared a copy of that
with me, so I actually have a copy of all that sort of stuff.
And if I remember right, and again this is from this is from
my memory. I think it had something to do with one of them had
to do with the toe placement. Another one had to do with the base
of the metatarsals, coming back to about halfway back on the foot, if
I remember right. And there was another thing in there that is escaping me
for right now. But I've spoken to Jeff about these characteristics, and Jeff
says, well, yeah, I mean it turns out I kind of found
out what those things were on my own along the way, and you know,
so he already knew about them. But yeah, that code is actually
out there somewhere and has been translated by doctor Meldrum and then we did hear
at the NBC for a second. I just can't remember what that third trade
is off the top of my head, but yeah, interesting idea. But
all of those things were kept secret, not just one of them. It
turns out all of those things were kept secret because he didn't want to be
hoaxed. But at the same time he was also hoaxed. There's a photograph
of a cast in doctor Krantz's book, and that cast is supposedly from Indiana,
if I remember right, and he said that it was the best evidence
I think east of the Rockies that he had. If I am recalling everything
accurately, that track was almost certainly hoaxed. Larry Lund was telling me that
there was a group of folks bigfoot people back in the day, that faked
a cast and sent it to him to show that he had that he could
be fooled. And as evidence of that, they supposedly put a red plastic
ruler inside of the original cast. And then they later told Krantz about it,
and they said break it and find out. And then at that point
somebody's telling you to break open an original footprint cast, like you're probably not
going to do it. So doctor Krantz never did. He never actually broke
open that cast to see if it was in there or not. So to
this day, you know, who knows, maybe it maybe it is a
real cast, and doctor Krantz was correct, maybe it's not, and that
red ruler is inside there. But I was thinking, like, what is
wrong with those people to charge that? First of all, anybody can be
fooled, right, anybody can be fooled. So what kind of psychopathy you
know, or mental illness would drive someone to show that anybody can be fooled
when everybody knows that anybody can be fooled? Like, what is your problem?
First of all? But like what kind of weird mental problem do you
have in order to show that people can are fallible? Like you didn't know
that. I think one of the big fallibilities is that somebody would go through
such lengths to pull a prank or to make a point that everybody already knows
just to be a jerk. You're kind of a jerk if you do that,
So heads up on that, don't be a jerk. But yeah,
so these jerks went out and they sent doctor Krantz that fake cast, and
of course that fake cast is they modeled it off of real Sasquatch tracks had
those characteristics in it, And Krantz says, eh, I don't know,
maybe it's real. So that's just sit man. You use a real footprint,
a real Sasquatch print as a model, you're probably going to have those
characteristics in it. Whether it's three or five, I can't remember, but
whatever it is. Yeah, And no surprise, no surprise that you're using
a real track for a model is going to have real Sasquatch characteristics. And
no surprise here. Anybody can be fooled with a good enough fake. But
how would you do that? Like what kind of weirdo? Are you?
Pathetic loser? Seriously? Like real, real, real issue, real issue.
Yeah, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
Will be right back after these messages. We got another one here from Chris
Buckley. Oh, Chris Buckley. You know Chris Buckley is is cusher singer?
No? Far more important in the Bigfoot world than that. I give
a Chris Buckley. Does the name Archie Buckley ring a bell? Oh?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Chris is direct direct relation. I believe Chris
is Archie's grandson. Oh, okay, he's been at the museum a bunch
of times. He emails me stuff. He's shared a story of Archie sitting
around a campfire telling boy scouts about Bigfoot one time. Yeah, Chris is
a rad dude man. And of course he's royalty Bigfoot royalty because he's related
to Archie Buckley. There's no such thing. There's no inheritance. It's all
meritocracy. Well, I think I think Chris is benefiting from the huge inheritance
from Archie babies. Yeah, the same last name and that's pretty much all
you got I think for big Foot with Archie. Right, So, but
anyway, go ahead, But would you want to read this one ahead?
Yeah? I really appreciate your careful balance of detail and fun. I bet
Archie would too. If the species turns out to be related close enough to
modern humans that is recognized with human cognition and language, what two questions would
you most want it to answer for? You? Shoot, two questions?
Well, I know my first question is like, tell me about your day.
Yeah, that's the only time you've ever asked that question, and be
glad to hear the answer. I know, and tell me in real time
too, like a day and like step by step, that's what I want
to know. Yeah, Like where and how do you live? Like how
how often do you move? Oh? God, So there's so many questions,
like you want to get two? Are you dangerous to humans? How
many? How many? How many of your of your species will get violent,
like physically violent and possibly kill a human? I'd ask that would be
one of them, but they might not know. They certainly wouldn't know if
you asked me that question about humans, I may not know, right,
Gosh, just two questions to ask. Yeah, well, okay, I
think I think it's like tell me about your day, like what do you
what do you do all day? Like what what's your what's what are you
up to? And then second of all, maybe is where do you sleep?
Like what's your preferred place to sleep? Yeah that's a good one,
thank you. How far do you move? Like what's your what's your what's
your home range? Oh? Yeah, maybe you know. Another one is
like how do you tell the other bigfoots in the area that this is yours
not theirs? Right? Are you? Are you territorial with each other?
If if you guys are territoried with one another. What is the signs uh
or do you do you fight or do you vocalize? Says? You get
too many questions. You have to figure out how to put in a broad,
broad question. Yeah, it'd be very careful. It's like asking a
wish from a genie, you know, because you be very careful about the
way you word that. Yeah, we've all seen the towilatone right, so
I don't know. Yeah, so there you go. Thank you, Chris.
It's a nice air from you. I'm glad you brought up Archie's name
and it's always nice to have people like yourself and send in questions and thank
you so much. Yeah, thank you. Next question is from a guy
named Steve Oh. The ability for AI to generate video and images will essentially
cause us to dismiss any photo or video evidence moving forward. This may not
really impact bigfoot research, as it seems that ninety nine percent of those who
report a sighting suddenly forget that they had a camera or how to use it.
Will you two continue to consider video dash photo evidence? And if so,
what are you doing to educate yourselves on how to identify AI fakes for
this kind of stuff? It's gonna be an emphasis going back to like videotape
or something you know, like or even like regular film that's really expensive,
not really too practical, but like using the old cable hunter like Roger and
Roger Patterson had, you know, like something like kind of like digital.
Yeah, digital's would be too easy to like shooting too a SD car or
something like you can, I think, too easy to manipulate that, Like
I only trust if it was from someone I knew, like or you know,
it had to be way way you know, investigated, and you'd have
to have impeccable sources and chain of custody and all that kind of stuff.
Yeah, I will certainly continue to weigh video and photographic evidence, although I
imagine that my standard answer of I don't know is going to be coming up
more and more frequently. But as far as what I'm doing to educate myselves
myself on how to identify AI fakes, right now, they all kind of
have that same look about them, Like, right now, there's no reason
to think that any of that stuff out there is real, and I think
most that things can easily be identified as artificial intelligence generated. But you know,
I also I think people who have listened for a while, kind of
know that I don't put a ton of emphasis on what other people have done
or are doing. I think for the most part, I'm really more focused
on what I'm doing. But you know, I will say that if Bobo
comes back with a photograph, it's not going to be AI man, because
I know Boba well and he's got like technologically challenged in some ways. You
know, I think that it has to go by a case by case basis.
You know, that's one of the that's one of the things that people
hold up as evidence about the Patterson Gimlin film being real is that Roger wasn't
capable of doing a fake like that right now. Bobo's not capable of photoshop
stuff right now. I mean, I'm barely play with photoshop. I'm not
capable of photoshop stuff or AI. Really at the end of the day,
I know, I could just type some prompt on some program or something like
that have AI pump it out for me, But honestly, I don't even
know where to do that. I am most focused on what I produce.
Everybody else's stuff is interesting hearsay at best if I know the person personally and
I can trust them, you know, like that'ster Matt Prude or somebody like
that. You know, the then great, I can at least fall back
on my relationship with that person to have some sort of faith in the thing
that they produce. But as far as anything on the Internet, I kind
of think most I mean ninety five percent of stuff on the internet's all fake
anyway, even if people think it's real, I think most of it's garbage.
So we'll see, We'll see when somebody produces something of value. But
then we're gonna have to look beyond that. We're gonna look at the person's
capability. Are they able to do this. We're gonna look at the person's
background, have they faked things before they big for researchers, et cetera,
blah blah blah. We're also gonna have to look at any footprint, footprint,
photographs, or cast taken at the scene. Again, one of the
great things about the PG film is that is supported with multiple kinds of evidence,
and I think that any photograph or video going forward is going to have
to be So if you, if anybody out there gets photographic evidence of Sasquatch,
you need to get back on the scene, or get a researcher back
on the scene as soon as possible to find other things that might corroborate your
story, because at the end of the day, a story is still a
story even if it has a picture with it, So you have to have
something else to really bolster your claim, So keep that in mind. Yeah,
last question, Matthew Hepworth, Hi, big Foot and Beyond. I'm
a big fan of your podcast. I'm twenty four years old. I've been
interested in salesquach since I was little. I was wonderay of Cliff and Bo.
Do any expeditions with listeners keep it squatchy? Nope? I did.
I did when I was saving money to make the museum. I brought small
groups out. I think they're really good expeditions. Most, I think the
vast majority of not everyone who went on them had a good time. We
got great stuff that produced a couple of Class A sightings like daytime sightings,
a couple of interesting Class B sightings through thermal imagers. We got footprint,
so we got sounds. Yeah, it was a good time was had by
all, and everybody got to go to the Glenn Thomas site here in mountain
Hood National forests where the sasquatches were seen digging out the hybernating ground squirrels from
the rock slope. So yeah, I think everybody had a great time and
everything, but I do not do that anymore because I'm far too busy.
And those take a tremendous amount of time and efforts and even money to produce,
basically because you got to get you got to get permits from Mountainhod National
Force every all public land you have to have permits run these trips on and
you have to I fed people of course every single day, insurance insurance on
top of it. You have to give a cut of your proceeds to the
National Forests anoder the permit. So yeah, it's a it's a tremendous hassle.
And permitting, at least from Mountinhod National Forests starts. It starts and
ends in November, and you have to tell them where you're going to be
going the following summer, whatever dates you choose, so you kind of have
to give them a map and highlight maps on a Forest Service map where you
intend to be walking at night and doing that sort of stuff, and you
just never know. I found it to be far more cumbersome of a burden
than I wanted. Uh, And you know, it helped me raise some
money for the museum, and it was cool and I learned some sponts.
It was great. But I don't do that anymore. I just do I
go out a loan or in very very very small groups. I was starting
to do some more and then I had, uh when I had all my
gear ripped off, when that that publican got stolen off the back of my
truck, when I was load enough to go up to go up for a
trip. Yeah, I did. I did a couple in the last couple
of years. I did one this year, and uh, usually it's just
kind of like, I mean, people always like, hey, you know,
you know, I'll buy the beer, let's go, you know,
like that kind of stuff, and I'm like, you know, it's yeah,
it's it's a big deal. I mean, it's it's a lot of
work. I mean, you gotta because you unless you have like a set
spot you're going to. But I try to like stay up on what's going
on, the latest things like where we're most likely to find them, and
then go to that spot. And yeah, you got to like rhun scout
ahead of time and you know, put a lot of time in figure out
the best chances we're gonna you know, possibly hear hear something or have an
encounter. And it's pretty stressful too, you know. You tell people like
don't expect to see anything, or you know, you might hear something,
but don't expect to see anything, and then you still feel it's pressure to
like deliver, you know. It is a lot of pressure. Yeah,
and for me, I did a limited load, you know, like we
only took ten or twelve people out of total, and then we capped it
and that's it. And even then, like there's ten or twelve people expecting
you to put them on a sasquatch. Yeah, that's a nuts thing that.
I mean, we got really lucky we hit something usually on ever big
trip, you know, but sometimes it was down to that last night,
and it's God, I hope they're over here, hope somebody hears something.
You know. Yeah, the pressure is just overwhelming. Honestly, it's just
it kind of takes away. They're still fun to do, don't get me
wrong. I mean, who doesn't like bigfooting, But it's just so much
pressure and so much time, so much money to go out and at the
end of the day, you know, it's it's hard to turn a profit.
And that was my goal at the time because I was trying to dump
money into the museum. Now that that pressure is off, you know,
I'm just choosing not to do them anymore. Yeah, I mean, you
had Jill and Sharon Blart. She was I mean that was the best.
You had the best camp host ever. She was such a fantastic cook and
bake baked desserts, multiple desserts every day. And yeah, that was great.
Yeah, I will say I think I ran probably the best expeditions ever.
Nothing against the BFO or anybody else who does these things, but we
had Sharon Beelart cooking free every night, and it's like having your your mother
cooking for the entire family every single night. It was a killer. On
top of that, we had a special guest, I mean, Bobo was
our special guest on some we had Derek Randall's, we had doctor Jeff Meldrum
out there, we had we had like, you know, quote unquote celebrities
on every single trip. Every single trip, all the camping was taken care
of. I told you I couldn't put you on a big Foot. But
we all went to the Glenn Thomas site every single expedition, so you got
to see these holes in the ground that the sasquatches dug. Yeah, those
are pretty a great expedition and again sasquatches are around the daylight sidings. In
one case we had one daylight sighting and several nighttime things. Really really cool
stuff happened, but no more too bad. All right, Well, I
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Members have a special episode every single week. If you would like to become
a member, you might want to consider it. You can go to Bigfit
and Beyond podcast dot com and hit the membership link and it'll tell you everything
you need to know. But what you get for that is you get an
extra hour of Cliff, Bobo and Matt every single week, and you also
get these regular episodes with zero commercials, no commercials whatsoever. That alone seems
to be worth five bucks. So that's what you get. Five bucks a
month. You get all these gifts showered upon you. Plus this is something
that I kind of neglect. I forget to mention honestly, when we talk
about something like that tree break I mentioned earlier, or we go to some
deep dive into some thing that I found, or what Bobo's doing, and
like he has behind the scenes things that he wants to share, we share
them with members on the Patreon account. Only members can see these things,
and I think that's pretty cool. So you may want to consider becoming a
member just so you can see picture of these tree breaks for footprints or handprints
or any of these things that we're talking about on air. Kind of a
cool little feature there. Yeah, it is cool, all right, folks.
Well, that's another week of Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo and
our super producer Mat prove it. So yeah, thanks for joining us,
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