Uh uh uh Okay, hey everybody, welcome to Rose Pricks. We have
We're so excited. Cecily and I are going crazy right now. We've got
Dave Neil, the man, the myth, the legend, the podcaster,
the YouTuber, the bachelor. I don't want to call you a super fan,
super expert, the zaddy. We're annoyed by the show. I'm like,
I love to hate watch it. But yeah, what a get for
you guys to get me? It is again? We're again. I love
you. Thanks, it's good to be here. We feel Cecily and I
feel in our hearts that we have a lot of similar feelings about stuff.
You like a lot of things that you say and things that you post,
and we agree. Well, you know, you can look at anyone's like
podcast rating and know that they that they're opinionated. Based on their rating,
I can't have an opinion. This week I got called like a member of
the manosphere. And also I was like a feminist, you know, like
which one is it? You know, people just want to they want to
see what side you're on. And when you have a podcast that shares your
opinions, it's like you got to appreciate the opinion even if you disagree.
So Cecily and I were literally just saying that on the phone earlier. We
were saying, you know, it's difficult because we feel that we're one of
the few Bachelor podcasts that is opinionated. We just don't I mean, we
care. We don't love pissing people off, but like when we feel a
certain way when we're watching something and we're going to say it, and we're
not an official Bachelor podcast and we're not trying to get people on our show,
so we feel safe in doing that. But it is amazing when people
disagree, how hard they disagree. Well, they come for you so personally.
I don't know if you've had that, Dave, like they just think
they find out everything about you, and you're like, how did you even
know that? I try to wear it on my sleeve. I'm a progressive
guy. And I remember when when there was a when there when my channel
first started to take off, there was a thread like is Dave the next
conservative recap for I was like, if I was, who cares? But
I'm not. And I've got a long like voting history as far as how
I uh interact with the show that I want a lot of positive changes in
but I also like when when someone's getting slammed as a villain, I'm like,
come on that that guy, that girl, they're not that bad.
I've taken the bait. I've been overly maybe critical of like Victoria Larsen,
and then I've realized, oh, she's probably not that bad. So I've
been on both sides. But it's like, you you'll never be able to
please everybody, and and when you try to, you know, we're talking
about stand up before you become a hack. If you try to please people,
you go ahead. So it's like, appreciate the opinion, and if
you disagree, maybe I'm not for you. Well, so also, yes,
Bravo. Also people's opinions, and I think we're the only way that
we get a lot of feedback that's not an echo chamber like on our Facebook
page, is Reddit, I feel that people's opinions change really fast and it's
hard to even keep up with. We were hugely into Gabby Gabby Windy,
and we were open to Rachel. We were fine with her. We were
just like, okay, let's see what this brings us. But we both
loved us some Gabby and we were a little bit upset, right, Cecily,
that she didn't get her own season. Yes, and we said as
much, and people went insane God, really mad at us for saying that
we maybe Rachel could have her own thing going on, like not on camera.
Yeah right. Isn't it so tough that there's only what they usually only
get one choice and you got to just roll your dice on it. And
like, I was really upset that I didn't get the person I wanted for
Bachelorette, but it didn't mean I didn't like the other person. It's just
like you and you look at who you either think someone you would date or
someone you would be best friends with. Like that's how we're picking it.
We're kind of like putting ourselves next to them in our friend group. Yes,
exactly. Well that kind of brings us to a question. I mean,
I'm sure Stephanie's thinking it, like who did you want? And maybe
you already said this, but who was your pick for this? I was
filming. I was doing a selfie video because I was so excited that it
was going to be Maria and I had that and then my face looked so
like uh, I immediately deleted the video. I was like, this looks
terrible. I couldn't believe it. And then you know, the more you
find out it was a little more complicated, but that's just yeah. I
want I wanted Maria. I thought she was funny from the first scene she
was on the show where she was kind of ribbing Joey for like what type
of movie? What was their favorite movies? It was just harmless banter.
I was like, Oh, she's good at this, like she's good at
that, and Jen is and was untested as far as like didn't get to
know her too well. And Daisy to me, was just more of a
safe choice. So I always go for I mean, I go for the
one that I feel like is going to be the fun, the fun choice,
because I feel like the show naturally is too boring and it needs that
personality. Do we believe that Daisy turned it down, or that Maria turned
it down or Daisy Daisy? Because remember that Daisy said it although she was
almost dressed like she was going to accept an Academy award, she came out
and they remember there was that whole on after the final rows, there was
that whole interview and kind of lead up and Daisy and you want America's hearts,
But how do you feel about being the bachelor? And she was like,
yeah, I'm not ready. Well Daisy, Yeah, they had announced
it on Good Morning America's Facebook page that Daisy was the next back. Sure,
so there was a time very recently that she was pipelined in and also
they swapped the roses out for Daisies, you know, like it was Daisy,
Like, do we think she turned it down? She must have.
Yeah, I mean, well we heard an insight, we like heard some
scoop that they all it was going to be Maria. But then some people,
the producers were saying she's too hard to edit. That was the original.
That was like a little inside scoop that I got was that she's too
hard to edit. She's too she's not like, she's not really a team
player Maria. But then we were told something different, so it sort of
made it seem like they chose for it not to be Maria. And then
Maria came out obviously as we know, and said, no, I made
the choice. I didn't want to do it. I'm guessing it was mutual,
Like I'm sure Maria had her things She's like, look, I don't
need to go through the psychological you know, all she did on this show
as be herself, and then they made her out to look like this terrible
person. And then this is this is what kills me with the show and
with the with some of the audience, is that Maria she struck. She'd
be a great lawyer because she struck down in the argument. Every single time
it was brought up, an audience were going, oh, she's commandeering the
conversation, she's ball hoggy, and it's like, well, she's defending her
character, and none of these people online know what it's like to have your
character misrepresented. So she wasn't gaslighting people, she wasn't sabotaging other contestants.
She was just doing her you know, she did nothing wrong, and she
felt the need to correct and correct the story as the other villains whose names
I already forgot, were trying to rewrite it all. They found me,
Yeah, Sidney, they found no footage of Maria being quote unquote that girl
that that they accused her of being. We're telling anybody to shut the fuck
up, or all the things, these hardcore accusations. Yeah, there was
never she was like roll the tape then, and the worst thing she did
was tell the thirty year old, hey, shut up, you're not that
old, you know. She was like trying to be nice, like maybe
it was the wrong tone, but then the other girl goes I felt like
I was being bullied the whole game. So you can't play that game when
you're on camera ladies like that. That's like, that's it's so manipulative.
But I feel for them all, like they're they're all like, you know,
they're all going through this real anxious moment, but that like Maria did
nothing wrong and for her to not want to deal with that again, I'm
sure you look at the two hundred grand and you go, yeah, I'm
okay, I'll just wait for my contract to end and make my own money.
I don't need this. And that's how I kind of feel like she
probably looked at it, going how many new followers am I going to get?
Like I'm already kind of maxed out here. It's like what else good
can come from this? Well, and it was hard too. I just
want to say, when we were watching that, to have the first time
to have the Golden Bachelor on at the same time, obviously that was new
to all of us. We were obsessed with the Golden Bachelor, obsessed.
I'm trying to get Stephanie to go on it. She won't do it.
She's married, it makes no sense and she's not old enough. But uh,
it was it was. It was weird to watch like these women try
to take each other down in the bullying, all these like bullshit, you
know, things they were throwing at each other, and then on the other
side they're just sharing like vaginal greens and stuff like the goal. It was
so like the juxtaposition between those two shows was mind blowing to us, and
ask you that a lot of people, do you know they we people mature
like they don't take the meat on the drama. Now, no, don't
get me wrong, there was some definite drama and Golden Bachelor with that.
That one therapys the zip It Okay in April April was just I mean off
camera, she was just like so unaware of her own toxicity. It's wild.
So this, Oh my god, I'm so glad you brought this up
because Cecily and I did an entire Patreon episode about her crazy book about having
an affair with Frankie Valley. It comes off like the most insane stalker story.
And yet and people were so mad at us and like, oh my
gosh, you don't understand her. It's like, Okay, I understand that
he had the Frankie Valleys slept with her when she was only like sixteen,
but she was very much into it. I'm not try I do not want
to blame the victim. Oh my god. Oh it doesn't sound like that.
But through the rest of her life she was coming after him and showing
up at venues. I mean he ended up I think filing a restraining order
eventually and blocking her and and she was and this was in her book.
She wrote a whole memoir about it. You know that was so hard to
cover because it is like an instance of grooming and what level of grooming led
to some sort of attachment to him. Yeah, And here I am like,
I don't have the degree to cut. Like you know, with the
Bachelor content, we cover light things, and then all of a sudden,
some like that comes up and you're like, and when you talk about like
times were different, like when was this the seventies sixty? You know what
I mean, It's like, uh, just yeah, just why, Okay,
this is crazy Stuffanie. Do you remember we got a message from her
sister, like a half sister, saying she totally agreed with us about April.
She'd heard the show or someone sent her our show, and she was
like, yeah, I know she's crazy. You guys, don't don't worry
about it. It doesn't The point is you can see that, and you
can watch that, and you can know the stuff from behind the scenes.
But then people pick and choose who they're going to go hard for, such
as Rachel. We found ourselves in the situation, and I really want your
take on it. Of during the season we were covering with Rachel and Gabby,
I was finding some things distasteful about the way Rachel was behaving just on
dates, like just stuff we were watching on the show, nothing like behind
the scenes. And then and all the drama went down with Tino, Cecily
and I were probably the only people apparently, because Tino tracked us down and
was like, oh my gosh, my friend sent me here, because we
were going like this is crazy, Like he did not do anything wrong,
Like all you're finding out about is that she was like, I'm too famous
now it's so much pressure. I need to break up with you. I
can't spend time with you. And then he goes off. He kisses some
other girl, he admits it to her, and the whole world turns against
him, and I was like, this is this is so unfortunate for this
time. It's really tough because with Rachel, I'm sure she would agree,
there's just a lot of anxiety and there's a lot of insecurities there. And
to be quite honest, I actually off the show, like just with interviews
and stuff. I find Rachel to be a much funnier interview than Gabby in
her own way, but she didn't rise to Gabby's thing. So while Gabby
probably would have been good on her own season, I think a different version
of Rachel could have as well, but not the version we saw where she
still has no idea who she is. And but like, yeah, I
and a lot of the seasons, I'll do a live after show and whether
it's Greg Grippo, Tino or any of these sort of like soft villains that
like still have their own support, but they're still villainized. It's like you
have, I have my audience, My audience knows we're gonna like break this
down and calm down. And even with that, they still feel that that
same rage afterwards, because you're being manipulated in a way to try to pick
the winner. And the winner doesn't mean like who won the show, but
like in life, we pick winners like we want to be on the right
side of a story, the right side of a cause, the right side
of a friendship, and that's what we do when we watch the show.
So if I go on and go, you know, Greg Grippo, I
thought I didn't think he was gaslighting. I thought he was you know,
people go, oh my gosh, you're defending this your massage, and you
just start getting labeled sir and things, and like we started to talk talk
off with You have to take that on the chin, because if we didn't
share our opinions, we wouldn't have successful shows. Exactly. I agree with
that one hundred percent. But it is weird when we're watching the same thing
as the rest of the people and we go, I don't understand. I'm
watching Katie Thurston and Greg Grippo get in an argument and I'm squarely thinking I
totally see his point, Like, Okay, what I watched in that argument
in their season was Katie being one hundred percent into him, feeling like he
was the one having some kind of rules in her head, that I'm the
princess of this show and I'm going to do things this certain way and everybody
needs to fall in line and do it the way I've planned to do it.
And I'm not going to tell you that I love you, even though
every freakin' other lead is throwing out I love you's or I'm falling in love
with you, or I'm so close to being whatever their thing is, and
she was like, Nope, I'm not going to say it, and he
was trying to get some kind of reassurance. I felt like his argument of
but this isn't a show to me at this point, like if I'm going
to be proposing to you, I need to know that you're feeling the same
way. And then she was like, oh, don't ask me that.
Don't ask for reassurance. I'm not going to tell you. And then I
understood completely why he was getting upset. And people are like, well,
that's the show. You have to understand that. But if you're I'm imagining,
I'm trying to be empathetic and going, if I'm in the show and
I've been convinced to do this show, and now it's become real to me,
your feelings are going to get involved. Wudn't you rather have somebody who's
getting upset and saying, no, this is absolutely real to me. It's
not a show. I'm not here for followers. I really want to be
with you and I need to know this right here and now. And so
how she came out as the winner as the person that people were like,
no, I'm square, I didn't understand. Well, yeah, so I
mean it's a great I feel you guys are probably of the same personality type
that watches it as like a lawyer, because if you could, if your
client was Grey Grippo, you're gonna defend him, But if your client was
Katie Thurston, you'd be like, well, maybe she doesn't trust her producers,
which we find out she she had a huge falling out with the producer,
and she she she obviously knows the show, so she knows that people
are in it for the wrong reasons. They're as f boys. So you
could you could look at it from just her angle and go, this guy
he just he wanted to know he was gonna win. But also you could
look at it from his angle, which was like, you know, I
think they both had those good intentions, and the tie goes to her because
a she's the lead and it's a female based audience, and so everyone stated
a pretty a pretty boy like Grey Grippo who maybe you know, so while
he might have been the one who left, he might have gotten the answer
that treg him because he was like, now this is you know, he
hit his fire or flight moment when he realized she wasn't gonna give him what
he needed. So so to a lot of the audience, they go,
oh, Greg's so needy. And by the way, we're like three years
later looking at this, and it's still hard to imagine because that could have
been a sixty minute convo we got seven minutes of, so it is it
is hard to look at that. But all I ever tried to do is
just have empathy for pretty much everyone involved. I could do that about Brian
Abosolo and Rachel Lindsay. I could do it about Jason Tartik and Caitlin Bristow,
who weren't even on a show together, where look, look, I
really think they're all trying their best, and we're only getting to watch it
through our own set of life circumstance that led us to either be triggered or
be sympathetic towards somebody, you know. And I think in most cases they're
not villains who are just trying to wreak havoc. They're just not on the
same page in a situation that doesn't have your best interest. Well that's the
thing too, that's always mind blowing to me about the show is that,
like you don't have to marry someone just because you're on the shut, Like
you can't force someone to fall in love with you. That was even the
thing with Tino, Like he was doing his best, and as we sort
of were saying off off the show, you know, he really rose to
like be you know, after everybody was coming at him for just not loving
her as much as he was supposed to based on a whatever how for many
months the reality show. He did it first and then then he didn't.
He's allowed to change his mind. And what he did is he actually used
the platform instead to like promote his charity. He was like, look I
get it, you know, he just he kind of he lowered the temperature
and that's that's really hard to do because if you and I, if we
were on that show, I'd be losing my mind. I would be people
on going crazy all the time. You know. They always say don't fight
with people online, and people get mad at Caitlin Bristow because she wears her
heart on her sleeve. But like I just tell people, try it,
just try it. It's so hard because you make your bones in this parasocial
relationship with the community in the audience, and then if there's an area where
there's disagreement, you almost want to treat them like a friend. And if
you ever fight with a friend, usually the first thing you want to do
is call them up and try to hash it out. And you can't do
that with an audience that kind of sees you as good guy versus bad guy.
They see that against Tino and these other villains, and then it takes
some sort of tragic level of empathy for somebody to think of them as a
normal person, Like I shouldn't have to like hug my baby and post a
sentiment I loved to hug my baby, but like I shouldn't have to do
that for someone to see me as not a monster, but the audiences can
see sometimes is like it's bloodthirsty, like are you good or bad? And
my general ideologies, I think we're all trying our best. Maybe it's not
the sexiest answer, but I think we would. I think four agreements would
lead us to a lot less arguments online. But again, we're also looking
at the comment sections as the one percent of the craziest people that have no
other place to share their opinions, Like that's not where hinged people go to
express themselves. Let me just say this really quick before we move on to
the next thing, just in case you listen to our other podcast board AF
Stephanie and I did one time make fun of the four Agreements only because a
guy. I was on a date or whatever. I don't know what it
was, but I was with a guy and he just like yawned in mid
sentence when I was talking and I was like, oh am I boring you,
and he goes, you need to read the four Agreements, not to
take things first. We should have weaponized the four Agreements. I'm just saying
just so don't think it's you. This was a long time ago that we
talked about it. I mean, yeah, he misused. You did not
misuse it. He did misuse it. Yeah. Well, but it's like
you know, it's it is. It's funny because I was and can be
a very defensive person. So I have to let things slide, and I
have to let the fact that there's a I have to let, like like
my own personal shit slide where I go okay. I was able to buy
a home and provide for my family based on my voice and having a podcast.
And because of that, I've got this awesome audience that loves me and
sent me every gift on our baby registry. They our dog passed away,
and flowers showed up to our doorsteps. They're amazing and a small but loyal
group of people fucking hate me. And that's just the deal. I have
to be okay with it. It's still not easy. It's still not easy,
but you just have to be okay with it. How long ago did
you have a baby? And congratulations? I have three of them. We
eight weeks? Yesterday? Oh my god, that's right. Today and yes
and last night has been the worst day. He's just we're waiting for that
good part. You know, I feel like you just need to fart,
But he's having a rough one, but we're both like at home. My
wife's no longer working and we moved to Tennessee from Los Angeles and bought a
home and you know, I work from home now doing the podcast and you
know all that, and it's it's been amazing. Every day he's a new
baby. He just grows so fast. It's it's just incredible. It's it's
sad almost that I can't stop it. But early days of the baby are
horrifying, Like it's it's bad. I mean, if you're feeling, if
you're having moments, and especially if your wife is having moments where she's like
I can't, I can't do it. It does get better, and it
is okay to acknowledge that sleep deprivation is real and makes you insane and babies
that are crying constantly are drive you nuts. And it doesn't mean you don't
love your baby, but I promise you, when they're like five, totally
different, Oh thank you. You're just like a little short ears away from
our baby has been really good. When I say today, like last night
was the worst night, I wouldn't I wouldn't risk it for any other Like
he's been so good. You know, it doesn't sleep through the night,
but you know I get to sleep in. You know, I work from
home, my own boss, so I just I sleep in a little bit
longer. And I've been going a little bit slower the last few months,
and it's been it's been. Uh, it's been fantastic having something more important
than me towards How does you get into podcasting? Can you tell how did
you get into this whole Bachelor? Where do you? Yeah, I'll tell
you. I think you're gonna ask my baby's name is August. I was
actually gonna ask where your baby stands on Clayton, But we'll get to that.
We'll come back. We'll come back to that. So I also told
my baby he loved him. He's actually Clayton's parents. When I went I
had a live show in Phoenix, his parents came out and gave gave a
little baby gift to my baby. Yeah, what his parents have been sweet,
got it. Got a big hug from them, which I guess we'll
get into all of that, but I know I got into I was covering
The Bachelor for years just on my YouTube channel and without much of a direction
in the business side of how to get it going. And then one year,
I think twenty late twenty, I started to get some algorithm going and
I was kind of studying how Mister Beast and other channels were taking off,
and I I just once, once the story went, I didn't slow down
and I started making content every day, and I've pretty much released a piece
of content every day since then. Okay, and who was the first?
Like, was there a Bachelor Nation person that reached out to you or was
in your DMS or was like I like what you're doing or liked your take
on them. That's a good question. I know Peter Weber, I was.
I made a video really making fun of him, but like, you
know, a in a comedic way, and he texted me being like,
dude, you roasted me. That was so funny, and I was like,
oh interesting. When my channel took off, you know, I got
this the standard phone call everyone gets from Nick vill saying call me. I
got ad because you know, he wants to make sure everyone's on his good
side. Got that, and then my channel took off with Katie Thurston's.
My channel had taken up taken off the season before Katie Thurston. So Matt
James season. That whole controversy was it's a big it was a big story
to talk about. And then Katie tweets, you know, I don't think
Chris Harrison should be the host, and and everything changes, and I think
I was pretty fair in covering her season, and she DMed me or somehow
we communicated and she was like, I think she was actually in quarantine to
begin taping her season and they took away her phone and she she told me
this later on, but that she had Hulu or she had she had a
Roku TV that had YouTube, and my channel was like one of those that
makes like daily updates, so she was able to get like updates from from
the internet based on my YouTube videos only. And you know, I mean,
I look, I have. I've tried my best not to. I
always try to talk about people as if they're gonna watch, because I kind
of feel like that's just a common courtesy. Like if I have a criticism
of Nick nick Viile's takes on mental health, it's something I would want to
say to his face, and it's not a criticism on him as a person.
If I criticize the way, you know, you know, I don't
know, so and so handle something. I just want to get back to
a world where we can discuss, we can criticize the point, not the
person, and I think we take things so personally. But you know,
I never I never liked Katie Thurston because I thought she had all of her
shit together. I thought she wore her heart on her sleeve. I love
when people do that same thing. With Katelyn Bristow and Maria they all have
that same thing that I love, which is like tell people how it is,
like we want to know how you feel, and you're gonna make your
enemies. But also I think that's more authentic. I love Katelyn Bristow for
the record. In her season, ah I love. I was like,
this is this is why I watched the show because I remember that I've been
watching The Bachelor since season one. I had friends who were casting it,
and from my early days of TV, some of my casting friends were like
telling me about it and in the casting process, and I was like,
oh, this sounds like such an interesting show. But the first season of
the Bachelorette with Trista, I was like, Okay, I like this.
I want to see this this woman with all these guys to choose from and
choose on the other foot, and she's in power. And I remember Caitlin
Bristow's season being the first one where I was mad because they pitted her against
the other girl whose name I can't remember. So I was mad at first.
I really wanted her to get it. She got it, and then
when she slept with Nick early in the season, I was like, yeah,
Okay, this is like real life, like and that date was hot,
Like that was a hot date, and I was like I could totally
see having some drinks and being like you know what, I don't care like
and then being like oh no, like now what do I owe to who?
And I mean I felt I felt it was so it felt very very
authentic to me. Yeah, and Caitlin. I see Caitlyn as somebody who's
probably just very similar to myself. And I've really empathized with her struggle of
trying to you know, you know, want to be a people pleaser.
I don't. I don't see being a people pleaser as a bad thing,
like obviously you need to set boundaries, but like she wants the room to
be happy. She's a jokester, and I always liked her from that and
I thought she did a hell of a great job as a host. And
and I think, you know, because of that, she probably she probably
heard that I was kind of like an ally, and I think she's had
me on her show. Today was the fourth time I've done her show.
I was on her show. Yeah, I just came out the fourth.
We did three different episodes. One was a two parter. But I've just
I've just always enjoyed her entrepreneurial spirit. She went into The Bachelor with nobody.
You know, she she's she gets this is what kills me is she
wears her hot on a sleeve. On her podcast, she shares her darkest
feelings about how she's insecure and everything she's going through, and then people will
use that against her. Right, So, like even recently with Jason Tartik,
She's like, yeah, I felt this way, and I felt that
way, and I was jealous that he was starting a podcast. How could
you be jealous? And it's like, listen, anyone in the world,
would you know you can be jealous of the person you love, you know
you Caalen tells us about her complex feelings and people judge her for it,
and I'm like, gosh, you guys don't know a good thing when you
have it. Yeah, it makes people back off of being honest. Oh
and that's why the show really struggles to find a villain, because everybody's so
worried about how they're going to come off now that it's like, it's not
Yeah, it's so inauthentic. If you took away the comments sections and just
said, look, let's let people be goofballs, have fun and go at
it, we would have a crazy TV show. But you know, yeah,
people, if you do say the wrong thing or come off the wrong
way, you might have you might be like soft canceled, which is a
term people don't like to use because it means a lot of different things.
But you know, I mean, gosh, the uh you know, Brandon
Maraus, you know, they're the great unfollowing that I covered. They were
just having an honest conversation about getting Instagram followed that everybody else on Bachelor in
Paradise was having. They just did it on camera and they got roasted for
it, and it's like, all right, well, I guess I guess
it was their fault, not for having that conversation, but for having it
on a hot mic and they got caught. But everyone's doing it. I
feel guilty, Stephanie, Don't I feel guilty to them? I think Brandon
Brandan or Brendan I can't remember. I think he was slimy though, because
he was the way okay Aitia's season, that was from Tasia's season, and
he was acted like he was I thought that he was what do we want
to call it. We won't say gas lady, but he was acting like
he was really really into her. And then remember at the last minute,
was just like, oh, I don't know if I'm ready because of like
my previous relationship, and then like right after that, hooked up with Piper.
I mean that was what people slipped out. Some fakery. I totally
agree with you. I think the struggle is knowing and maybe this is a
more of a masculine trait not to trigger people into making this a gender thing.
I'm triggered already. But don't I sound so just but all the wait?
Let me man explains when a guy I don't know, sometimes there's a
there's a confusion between do I like somebody or do I just want to compete
for them? And guys are dumb, We're like dogs. Sometimes we just
want to chase the ice cream truck and don't realize we don't even want ice
cream, you know, like we're just idiots that way, And and you
get in and that's what makes the show work because you get Claire Crawley or
you get whoever, and then you go, oh, I'm competing for her
because that's your primal instinct. And then maybe you get her and you realize,
oh, this is why no relationships work, as I'm not actually into
her versus a Bacheler in Paradise where it's a little bit less all eyes on
one prize and more co mingling. So look, I mean, yeah,
that's so obviously everyone's going to be physically attracted to the lead. They're usually
almost always just a hot person and then it but like that's never enough once
the dust settles on that competition. So like Lake Moines Katie Thurston, they're
hot, they're cute, but then you know, dust settles and they go,
oh, maybe we just don't have that much in comment and that's okay.
That would have happened day three in a normal relationship, before you ever
made it official. Before you know, that's just what happens in life.
You hook up and you go, oh yeah, the morning after brunch,
no, I got the ick gross. When we were all drinking and having
fun, you know, all of the physical chemistry was there, but nothing
lined up after. And maybe that's what happens with someone like Brendon Marius,
who's just like I don't know. I was competing for the lead. I
wanted her, and then I found out I was a finalist, and I
got freaked out. So it doesn't make it right, but I just I
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let me ask you this honest opinion. And I know you have been close
friends with Katie. Did you feel that Greg was the one that she wanted
and that she talked herself into Blake. You know, I've I've had these
like private conversations with her and she has not budged and said no, Blake
was the one. That's what she's told me. So she's so mad at
Greg then, well so mad after the final Rose she caused a huge fight
with him. She I mean, she just wanted to no, no,
no, So that's what I mean, look, I don't know if I
were if I was in her position and Greg was the one, I don't
know if I would be willing to admit it if you know, like I
don't know, what do I know? What do I know? So like
it could she could there be a scenario where she didn't want to get rejected
and Greg ended up getting that momentum. Maybe, but I think there were
just two different two different trajectories. And why why say Greg was the one
when you know you didn't pursue the other. But yeah, no, no
matter what choice she makes, people are gonna look at it going, well,
then why did you do this? Or why did you do that?
And it's like, I think it's less like when you're in the moment,
which I haven't been, you're just pursuing both simultaneously, and maybe you maybe
maybe the human the human mind's much better at compartmentalizing than we think, because
you've got people like Clayton that said he fell in love with like multiple women
and he's like, look, I didn't believe it, but it happened.
So I just those of us that haven't been in those situations. I guess
if we defer to those that have been. We realize, well, they
all they all did it, or at least felt like they were doing it,
So you know, maybe I've done it. I've done it. And
we've talked about that on the show because I was not as hard on Clayton.
We've had that kind of conversation because I was like, I don't think
it's that big of a deal. The show is designed for you to fall
in love with a bunch of people. I've done it in real life,
not being on The Bachelor. Sometimes you're just kind of like in a casual
thing and then you're kind of open and then you know, bang it happens,
and then the variables are all different. You know, it's just you
just you paint all of the all of the traits in the direction that you
want them to be, and then until they reveal themselves and I don't even
want to say red flags, just not your flag, and and and on
these shows you just don't get to know anyone, uh, in that short
amount of time that you don't really get to properly choose, like Blake Blake
Moins and Greg Grippo both are really good looking, really charming guys. I
mean, I'd never hung out with Greg Grippo one person, but Blake is
a hunk, and who wouldn't want to fall Who wouldn't fall for one of
these guys? And then afterward you go, all right, I don't want
to live on a safari, you know whatever. And it doesn't make Blake
any less of a guy. They just they just didn't overcome They didn't,
you know, they extinguished that flame. And maybe Katie's the type that realized
it, and maybe she's the type that that goes all right, I don't
even want to say got the ick, but like she realized, why why
go to Canada and meet his family when I know this isn't it? And
and Bowman, it's over and you know you got to give I mean,
you just these relationships need that buffer to figure that out. And I'll never
be the type that's like, oh, they failed. It's like, no,
they did. They pursued it. You got to pursue it. And
then they all clutter out at a different time or they don't. Well,
except in the case of the Golden Bachelor, they failed. They really failed.
And I blame something something is not right. I blame uh what's her
face? Because it's like, yeah, I always think, look, and
maybe they didn't have this conversation, but you signed up to go on the
Bachelor, you're signing up to move to wherever the Bachelor is like, and
if if you sign up for the Bachelorette, that's the main person. So
obviously gonna have those conversations. But like she probably just kind of look at
Indiana and was like, I'm good, Like, Jersey's a great state.
I get it. They hadn't even talked about what she did for a living
until like the last episode. None of that made some so it was like,
wait a minute. All of a sudden, Gary was like, way,
you're like you stocks now he perked up. Wow, that's his choice.
Remember, Yeah, Oh, I'm seeing you in a different fight,
lady. I'd like to bend you over. We have a really disgusting I
did a whole we did our Golden Bachelor on Patreon so that we could get
just nasty and we just got filthy with it. I don't know why I'm
proud of that. Yeah. Well, Gary's interesting because he's friends with a
lot of his exes. He was friend he was he was on a vaca
with, but he was on a vacation with an ex when he got the
Bachelor, and he just like treats them. And again, I'm not questioning
his sexuality. I'm not making any questions whatsoever. It sounds like you are.
It seems like he just wants friends at this point. You know what
I mean, I do. He just wants a friend, and maybe Teresa
wasn't there enough for him to be what he wanted, Like it's just a
local friend. I don't know. Well, he's a horny guy, so
yeah, maybe he just wanted somebody who was you know, he didn't want
to have to schedule three months in advance. Well they didn't even make it
three months, so that's not even the case. What about what's her name
though? Faith? Who was like, I can't the reason I can't move
is because my horse is buried in this town. That was That was a
curve ball. That was a tough excuse. Can you imagine hearing that?
You're like, I thought we really had something. It's like, oh,
I've been rejected every way you can think of, but I have not had
that. That is, Yeah, I just take the loss on that.
Okay, So let us talk about something that has been recently. I say,
in the news of course it's not the news in the Reddit news,
in the Bachelor Verse news, which is that Clayton was wrongfully accused of fathering
twins. And you have been like on the front lines of this, of
the Clayton Eckert defense team. Can you tell us about that? How I
mean? I was objective in my coverage of this story because I did not
want to be on the wrong side of this. I did not want to
defend Clayton, a guy I had never met before. I had interviewed him
but never met in person. I did not want to be on the wrong
side of this because he looked really bad in this article that came out,
but it also read like a smear job. And by the end of the
week after there was claims that he was the father of someone's unborn twins,
we find out she had made the claims about seen previously. And then later
on we find out a third guy and actually a fourth guy, and then
we find out that some of this evidence is fraudulent, and so I start
covering the case. I get sent to cease and desist, and I keep
covering the case, and then she tries to her she sent you the cease
and desist. Yeah, she tries to get a restraining order on me,
which was denied in La Superior Court. But she did file an injunction against
harassment, so essentially sued me for harassment. And meanwhile I still was not
saying her name. I never said her name publicly until the court ruling came
out. But we unearthed a lot of evidence, like real evidence that that
showed that there was a Fiverr logo at time hatched to an ultrasound that she
claimed was hers. Now we since found out that was all. Oh no,
I didn't know that. Yeah, that was from the previous guy she
did this to eighteen. Now, this ultrasound was from a blog written in
twenty sixteen. We have since found the person who wrote that blog. She's
part of Mommy's enduring neonatal death. The ultrasound was about a vanishing twin,
which like a mischarage of one of the twins. The positive is that our
community has come together to raise funds for the surviving twin and that twin is
going to have their ninth birthday end of July. So we've raised over sixteen
hundred dollars since yesterday. Oh, I'm having for that poor woman who had
her ultrasound video exploited. Yeah. Yeah, so we raised and we're still
we're still raising the money and we're just saying, look, if we raise
more than they need for the birthday party, go to Disney World. But
like, we're just trying to do some good here this lady who was who
put Clayton through Hell yeah, we found we we kind of looked zoomed in
on the image and found the found a clearcut Fiverr logo with Clayton's ultrasound came
the internet. Found that it came from a seven year old YouTube video,
you know, a YouTube video that had like one hundred views. People scoured
the Internet and then with the help of thousands of audience members, were able
to put this all together. Now her attorney and her are saying, oh,
this is all Clayton's cult. They Her attorney said he wanted to read
my obituary before throwing the newspaper out. He's threatened to make me go homeless
and said his client's going to be grazing her horses on my property in Tennessee.
I mean, they have harassed the hell out of me. She dropped
her lawsuit against me the night before we were supposed to be in trial,
she drops it and wanted me to agree that I would never incite any violence
against her, which of course I would never do. That's illegal. And
then that night she received a death threat. She faked a black journalist,
which we later found out was her because we did a two factor authentication on
the black journalist's YouTube account and it led back to her phone number, and
also we had a source at a website domain tell us that it was a
matching phone number. She faked this black journalist because she was trying to cancel
Clayton for dancing to a song with the N word in it. She claimed
her father, who was a famous radio DJ, claimed anti semitism because Clayton
claimed she was like a cockroats that wouldn't go away. They played the Black
Lives Matter, the Me Too, the feminist movement. She made up an
Asian doctor and faked overarian cancer to a previous victim. She denied that under
oath in an affidavit. So we raised three thousand dollars actually five thousand dollars
could we raise more than we asked for? And we put that money to
a forensic expert to verify the text messages were authenticated. She faked overian cancer
and other things to victim Mike, who was from twenty sixteen. Wow,
this interview is going so great that we have decided to split this into two
parts, right sas, Oh yeah, hell yeah, and trust me,
y'all gonna want to come back for part two because it's it's fantastic. Things
are about to get pretty crazy. M hm. Yes, but before we
go from part one, we have some shout outs to do, so let's
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they specialize in trauma work. But less do you think that you have to
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you guys, Mina, see you in an hour. Yeah, good bye bye