WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.879 --> 00:00:20.120 Uh uh uh Okay, hey everybody, welcome to Rose Pricks. We have 2 00:00:20.640 --> 00:00:24.800 We're so excited. Cecily and I are going crazy right now. We've got 3 00:00:24.879 --> 00:00:29.039 Dave Neil, the man, the myth, the legend, the podcaster, 4 00:00:29.280 --> 00:00:34.000 the YouTuber, the bachelor. I don't want to call you a super fan, 5 00:00:34.479 --> 00:00:40.039 super expert, the zaddy. We're annoyed by the show. I'm like, 6 00:00:40.240 --> 00:00:43.600 I love to hate watch it. But yeah, what a get for 7 00:00:43.640 --> 00:00:48.119 you guys to get me? It is again? We're again. I love 8 00:00:48.159 --> 00:00:52.600 you. Thanks, it's good to be here. We feel Cecily and I 9 00:00:52.640 --> 00:00:57.920 feel in our hearts that we have a lot of similar feelings about stuff. 10 00:00:58.640 --> 00:01:00.880 You like a lot of things that you say and things that you post, 11 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:04.760 and we agree. Well, you know, you can look at anyone's like 12 00:01:06.040 --> 00:01:10.480 podcast rating and know that they that they're opinionated. Based on their rating, 13 00:01:11.560 --> 00:01:15.760 I can't have an opinion. This week I got called like a member of 14 00:01:15.799 --> 00:01:19.239 the manosphere. And also I was like a feminist, you know, like 15 00:01:19.480 --> 00:01:23.040 which one is it? You know, people just want to they want to 16 00:01:23.079 --> 00:01:26.760 see what side you're on. And when you have a podcast that shares your 17 00:01:26.799 --> 00:01:30.519 opinions, it's like you got to appreciate the opinion even if you disagree. 18 00:01:32.439 --> 00:01:37.239 So Cecily and I were literally just saying that on the phone earlier. We 19 00:01:37.239 --> 00:01:41.680 were saying, you know, it's difficult because we feel that we're one of 20 00:01:41.719 --> 00:01:45.840 the few Bachelor podcasts that is opinionated. We just don't I mean, we 21 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:49.719 care. We don't love pissing people off, but like when we feel a 22 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:53.879 certain way when we're watching something and we're going to say it, and we're 23 00:01:53.879 --> 00:01:57.760 not an official Bachelor podcast and we're not trying to get people on our show, 24 00:01:57.239 --> 00:02:01.120 so we feel safe in doing that. But it is amazing when people 25 00:02:01.159 --> 00:02:06.040 disagree, how hard they disagree. Well, they come for you so personally. 26 00:02:06.239 --> 00:02:07.280 I don't know if you've had that, Dave, like they just think 27 00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:09.800 they find out everything about you, and you're like, how did you even 28 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:13.960 know that? I try to wear it on my sleeve. I'm a progressive 29 00:02:14.039 --> 00:02:16.360 guy. And I remember when when there was a when there when my channel 30 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:20.479 first started to take off, there was a thread like is Dave the next 31 00:02:20.520 --> 00:02:23.479 conservative recap for I was like, if I was, who cares? But 32 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:29.520 I'm not. And I've got a long like voting history as far as how 33 00:02:29.560 --> 00:02:35.479 I uh interact with the show that I want a lot of positive changes in 34 00:02:35.599 --> 00:02:38.280 but I also like when when someone's getting slammed as a villain, I'm like, 35 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:42.240 come on that that guy, that girl, they're not that bad. 36 00:02:42.439 --> 00:02:46.879 I've taken the bait. I've been overly maybe critical of like Victoria Larsen, 37 00:02:47.080 --> 00:02:50.639 and then I've realized, oh, she's probably not that bad. So I've 38 00:02:50.639 --> 00:02:53.080 been on both sides. But it's like, you you'll never be able to 39 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:57.680 please everybody, and and when you try to, you know, we're talking 40 00:02:57.680 --> 00:03:00.240 about stand up before you become a hack. If you try to please people, 41 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:02.439 you go ahead. So it's like, appreciate the opinion, and if 42 00:03:02.479 --> 00:03:07.120 you disagree, maybe I'm not for you. Well, so also, yes, 43 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:13.680 Bravo. Also people's opinions, and I think we're the only way that 44 00:03:13.719 --> 00:03:16.639 we get a lot of feedback that's not an echo chamber like on our Facebook 45 00:03:16.680 --> 00:03:23.479 page, is Reddit, I feel that people's opinions change really fast and it's 46 00:03:23.479 --> 00:03:28.479 hard to even keep up with. We were hugely into Gabby Gabby Windy, 47 00:03:29.080 --> 00:03:32.599 and we were open to Rachel. We were fine with her. We were 48 00:03:32.639 --> 00:03:37.000 just like, okay, let's see what this brings us. But we both 49 00:03:37.319 --> 00:03:40.719 loved us some Gabby and we were a little bit upset, right, Cecily, 50 00:03:40.759 --> 00:03:44.599 that she didn't get her own season. Yes, and we said as 51 00:03:44.680 --> 00:03:49.080 much, and people went insane God, really mad at us for saying that 52 00:03:49.120 --> 00:03:52.199 we maybe Rachel could have her own thing going on, like not on camera. 53 00:03:52.759 --> 00:03:57.039 Yeah right. Isn't it so tough that there's only what they usually only 54 00:03:57.080 --> 00:04:00.400 get one choice and you got to just roll your dice on it. And 55 00:04:00.439 --> 00:04:03.199 like, I was really upset that I didn't get the person I wanted for 56 00:04:03.280 --> 00:04:06.120 Bachelorette, but it didn't mean I didn't like the other person. It's just 57 00:04:06.159 --> 00:04:11.560 like you and you look at who you either think someone you would date or 58 00:04:11.599 --> 00:04:14.439 someone you would be best friends with. Like that's how we're picking it. 59 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:17.240 We're kind of like putting ourselves next to them in our friend group. Yes, 60 00:04:18.079 --> 00:04:21.199 exactly. Well that kind of brings us to a question. I mean, 61 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:24.920 I'm sure Stephanie's thinking it, like who did you want? And maybe 62 00:04:24.920 --> 00:04:29.279 you already said this, but who was your pick for this? I was 63 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:32.480 filming. I was doing a selfie video because I was so excited that it 64 00:04:32.519 --> 00:04:36.399 was going to be Maria and I had that and then my face looked so 65 00:04:36.759 --> 00:04:41.240 like uh, I immediately deleted the video. I was like, this looks 66 00:04:41.319 --> 00:04:45.600 terrible. I couldn't believe it. And then you know, the more you 67 00:04:45.639 --> 00:04:47.560 find out it was a little more complicated, but that's just yeah. I 68 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:50.959 want I wanted Maria. I thought she was funny from the first scene she 69 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:55.199 was on the show where she was kind of ribbing Joey for like what type 70 00:04:55.240 --> 00:04:58.560 of movie? What was their favorite movies? It was just harmless banter. 71 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:00.120 I was like, Oh, she's good at this, like she's good at 72 00:05:00.199 --> 00:05:05.480 that, and Jen is and was untested as far as like didn't get to 73 00:05:05.519 --> 00:05:10.319 know her too well. And Daisy to me, was just more of a 74 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:13.040 safe choice. So I always go for I mean, I go for the 75 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:15.560 one that I feel like is going to be the fun, the fun choice, 76 00:05:15.560 --> 00:05:19.600 because I feel like the show naturally is too boring and it needs that 77 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:26.199 personality. Do we believe that Daisy turned it down, or that Maria turned 78 00:05:26.199 --> 00:05:31.879 it down or Daisy Daisy? Because remember that Daisy said it although she was 79 00:05:31.920 --> 00:05:38.439 almost dressed like she was going to accept an Academy award, she came out 80 00:05:38.680 --> 00:05:41.399 and they remember there was that whole on after the final rows, there was 81 00:05:41.439 --> 00:05:46.240 that whole interview and kind of lead up and Daisy and you want America's hearts, 82 00:05:46.600 --> 00:05:49.079 But how do you feel about being the bachelor? And she was like, 83 00:05:49.839 --> 00:05:56.759 yeah, I'm not ready. Well Daisy, Yeah, they had announced 84 00:05:56.759 --> 00:06:00.240 it on Good Morning America's Facebook page that Daisy was the next back. Sure, 85 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:05.920 so there was a time very recently that she was pipelined in and also 86 00:06:06.120 --> 00:06:12.839 they swapped the roses out for Daisies, you know, like it was Daisy, 87 00:06:12.879 --> 00:06:15.040 Like, do we think she turned it down? She must have. 88 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:19.399 Yeah, I mean, well we heard an insight, we like heard some 89 00:06:19.639 --> 00:06:25.360 scoop that they all it was going to be Maria. But then some people, 90 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:29.399 the producers were saying she's too hard to edit. That was the original. 91 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:31.680 That was like a little inside scoop that I got was that she's too 92 00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:34.920 hard to edit. She's too she's not like, she's not really a team 93 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:41.000 player Maria. But then we were told something different, so it sort of 94 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:44.759 made it seem like they chose for it not to be Maria. And then 95 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:46.639 Maria came out obviously as we know, and said, no, I made 96 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:50.680 the choice. I didn't want to do it. I'm guessing it was mutual, 97 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:55.560 Like I'm sure Maria had her things She's like, look, I don't 98 00:06:55.600 --> 00:07:00.759 need to go through the psychological you know, all she did on this show 99 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:02.800 as be herself, and then they made her out to look like this terrible 100 00:07:02.839 --> 00:07:05.920 person. And then this is this is what kills me with the show and 101 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:11.120 with the with some of the audience, is that Maria she struck. She'd 102 00:07:11.160 --> 00:07:14.399 be a great lawyer because she struck down in the argument. Every single time 103 00:07:14.439 --> 00:07:16.959 it was brought up, an audience were going, oh, she's commandeering the 104 00:07:17.120 --> 00:07:20.759 conversation, she's ball hoggy, and it's like, well, she's defending her 105 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:25.439 character, and none of these people online know what it's like to have your 106 00:07:25.519 --> 00:07:32.160 character misrepresented. So she wasn't gaslighting people, she wasn't sabotaging other contestants. 107 00:07:32.160 --> 00:07:36.160 She was just doing her you know, she did nothing wrong, and she 108 00:07:36.199 --> 00:07:42.439 felt the need to correct and correct the story as the other villains whose names 109 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:45.560 I already forgot, were trying to rewrite it all. They found me, 110 00:07:46.319 --> 00:07:49.480 Yeah, Sidney, they found no footage of Maria being quote unquote that girl 111 00:07:49.519 --> 00:07:53.879 that that they accused her of being. We're telling anybody to shut the fuck 112 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:58.560 up, or all the things, these hardcore accusations. Yeah, there was 113 00:07:58.639 --> 00:08:01.360 never she was like roll the tape then, and the worst thing she did 114 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:03.959 was tell the thirty year old, hey, shut up, you're not that 115 00:08:05.079 --> 00:08:07.800 old, you know. She was like trying to be nice, like maybe 116 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:09.360 it was the wrong tone, but then the other girl goes I felt like 117 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:13.560 I was being bullied the whole game. So you can't play that game when 118 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:18.639 you're on camera ladies like that. That's like, that's it's so manipulative. 119 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:20.800 But I feel for them all, like they're they're all like, you know, 120 00:08:20.920 --> 00:08:26.480 they're all going through this real anxious moment, but that like Maria did 121 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:28.920 nothing wrong and for her to not want to deal with that again, I'm 122 00:08:28.959 --> 00:08:31.759 sure you look at the two hundred grand and you go, yeah, I'm 123 00:08:31.799 --> 00:08:37.159 okay, I'll just wait for my contract to end and make my own money. 124 00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:39.440 I don't need this. And that's how I kind of feel like she 125 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:41.320 probably looked at it, going how many new followers am I going to get? 126 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:45.639 Like I'm already kind of maxed out here. It's like what else good 127 00:08:45.720 --> 00:08:48.120 can come from this? Well, and it was hard too. I just 128 00:08:48.159 --> 00:08:52.320 want to say, when we were watching that, to have the first time 129 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:54.120 to have the Golden Bachelor on at the same time, obviously that was new 130 00:08:54.159 --> 00:08:58.519 to all of us. We were obsessed with the Golden Bachelor, obsessed. 131 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:01.440 I'm trying to get Stephanie to go on it. She won't do it. 132 00:09:01.799 --> 00:09:05.480 She's married, it makes no sense and she's not old enough. But uh, 133 00:09:05.080 --> 00:09:09.360 it was it was. It was weird to watch like these women try 134 00:09:09.399 --> 00:09:13.279 to take each other down in the bullying, all these like bullshit, you 135 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:15.919 know, things they were throwing at each other, and then on the other 136 00:09:15.960 --> 00:09:20.320 side they're just sharing like vaginal greens and stuff like the goal. It was 137 00:09:20.360 --> 00:09:24.919 so like the juxtaposition between those two shows was mind blowing to us, and 138 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:30.519 ask you that a lot of people, do you know they we people mature 139 00:09:30.679 --> 00:09:33.240 like they don't take the meat on the drama. Now, no, don't 140 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:35.720 get me wrong, there was some definite drama and Golden Bachelor with that. 141 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:41.159 That one therapys the zip It Okay in April April was just I mean off 142 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:48.440 camera, she was just like so unaware of her own toxicity. It's wild. 143 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:50.519 So this, Oh my god, I'm so glad you brought this up 144 00:09:50.600 --> 00:09:56.360 because Cecily and I did an entire Patreon episode about her crazy book about having 145 00:09:56.399 --> 00:10:01.600 an affair with Frankie Valley. It comes off like the most insane stalker story. 146 00:10:03.080 --> 00:10:05.600 And yet and people were so mad at us and like, oh my 147 00:10:05.639 --> 00:10:11.000 gosh, you don't understand her. It's like, Okay, I understand that 148 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:15.200 he had the Frankie Valleys slept with her when she was only like sixteen, 149 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:22.639 but she was very much into it. I'm not try I do not want 150 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:24.559 to blame the victim. Oh my god. Oh it doesn't sound like that. 151 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:30.879 But through the rest of her life she was coming after him and showing 152 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:33.679 up at venues. I mean he ended up I think filing a restraining order 153 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:39.879 eventually and blocking her and and she was and this was in her book. 154 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:41.799 She wrote a whole memoir about it. You know that was so hard to 155 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:48.840 cover because it is like an instance of grooming and what level of grooming led 156 00:10:48.879 --> 00:10:52.840 to some sort of attachment to him. Yeah, And here I am like, 157 00:10:54.200 --> 00:10:56.759 I don't have the degree to cut. Like you know, with the 158 00:10:56.759 --> 00:10:58.840 Bachelor content, we cover light things, and then all of a sudden, 159 00:10:58.879 --> 00:11:01.799 some like that comes up and you're like, and when you talk about like 160 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:05.240 times were different, like when was this the seventies sixty? You know what 161 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:11.799 I mean, It's like, uh, just yeah, just why, Okay, 162 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:13.480 this is crazy Stuffanie. Do you remember we got a message from her 163 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:16.919 sister, like a half sister, saying she totally agreed with us about April. 164 00:11:18.559 --> 00:11:20.679 She'd heard the show or someone sent her our show, and she was 165 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:22.960 like, yeah, I know she's crazy. You guys, don't don't worry 166 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:30.399 about it. It doesn't The point is you can see that, and you 167 00:11:30.440 --> 00:11:33.320 can watch that, and you can know the stuff from behind the scenes. 168 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:39.480 But then people pick and choose who they're going to go hard for, such 169 00:11:39.519 --> 00:11:43.759 as Rachel. We found ourselves in the situation, and I really want your 170 00:11:43.840 --> 00:11:48.799 take on it. Of during the season we were covering with Rachel and Gabby, 171 00:11:48.840 --> 00:11:54.639 I was finding some things distasteful about the way Rachel was behaving just on 172 00:11:54.720 --> 00:11:58.480 dates, like just stuff we were watching on the show, nothing like behind 173 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:03.519 the scenes. And then and all the drama went down with Tino, Cecily 174 00:12:03.559 --> 00:12:09.559 and I were probably the only people apparently, because Tino tracked us down and 175 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:11.720 was like, oh my gosh, my friend sent me here, because we 176 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:16.360 were going like this is crazy, Like he did not do anything wrong, 177 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:20.399 Like all you're finding out about is that she was like, I'm too famous 178 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:22.679 now it's so much pressure. I need to break up with you. I 179 00:12:22.679 --> 00:12:26.759 can't spend time with you. And then he goes off. He kisses some 180 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:31.799 other girl, he admits it to her, and the whole world turns against 181 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:35.080 him, and I was like, this is this is so unfortunate for this 182 00:12:35.279 --> 00:12:41.320 time. It's really tough because with Rachel, I'm sure she would agree, 183 00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:46.120 there's just a lot of anxiety and there's a lot of insecurities there. And 184 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:50.840 to be quite honest, I actually off the show, like just with interviews 185 00:12:50.840 --> 00:12:56.159 and stuff. I find Rachel to be a much funnier interview than Gabby in 186 00:12:56.200 --> 00:13:00.960 her own way, but she didn't rise to Gabby's thing. So while Gabby 187 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:03.279 probably would have been good on her own season, I think a different version 188 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:07.960 of Rachel could have as well, but not the version we saw where she 189 00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:11.000 still has no idea who she is. And but like, yeah, I 190 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:15.919 and a lot of the seasons, I'll do a live after show and whether 191 00:13:15.960 --> 00:13:20.840 it's Greg Grippo, Tino or any of these sort of like soft villains that 192 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:24.919 like still have their own support, but they're still villainized. It's like you 193 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:28.600 have, I have my audience, My audience knows we're gonna like break this 194 00:13:28.720 --> 00:13:31.960 down and calm down. And even with that, they still feel that that 195 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:37.159 same rage afterwards, because you're being manipulated in a way to try to pick 196 00:13:37.240 --> 00:13:41.279 the winner. And the winner doesn't mean like who won the show, but 197 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:43.600 like in life, we pick winners like we want to be on the right 198 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:46.279 side of a story, the right side of a cause, the right side 199 00:13:46.279 --> 00:13:50.159 of a friendship, and that's what we do when we watch the show. 200 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:52.879 So if I go on and go, you know, Greg Grippo, I 201 00:13:52.919 --> 00:13:54.159 thought I didn't think he was gaslighting. I thought he was you know, 202 00:13:54.200 --> 00:13:58.600 people go, oh my gosh, you're defending this your massage, and you 203 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:03.799 just start getting labeled sir and things, and like we started to talk talk 204 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:07.600 off with You have to take that on the chin, because if we didn't 205 00:14:07.639 --> 00:14:13.559 share our opinions, we wouldn't have successful shows. Exactly. I agree with 206 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:18.639 that one hundred percent. But it is weird when we're watching the same thing 207 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:24.360 as the rest of the people and we go, I don't understand. I'm 208 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:30.159 watching Katie Thurston and Greg Grippo get in an argument and I'm squarely thinking I 209 00:14:30.480 --> 00:14:35.080 totally see his point, Like, Okay, what I watched in that argument 210 00:14:35.919 --> 00:14:41.639 in their season was Katie being one hundred percent into him, feeling like he 211 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:46.120 was the one having some kind of rules in her head, that I'm the 212 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:48.840 princess of this show and I'm going to do things this certain way and everybody 213 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:52.080 needs to fall in line and do it the way I've planned to do it. 214 00:14:52.120 --> 00:14:54.600 And I'm not going to tell you that I love you, even though 215 00:14:54.879 --> 00:15:01.360 every freakin' other lead is throwing out I love you's or I'm falling in love 216 00:15:01.399 --> 00:15:05.120 with you, or I'm so close to being whatever their thing is, and 217 00:15:05.159 --> 00:15:07.759 she was like, Nope, I'm not going to say it, and he 218 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:13.600 was trying to get some kind of reassurance. I felt like his argument of 219 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:16.320 but this isn't a show to me at this point, like if I'm going 220 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:20.600 to be proposing to you, I need to know that you're feeling the same 221 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:22.279 way. And then she was like, oh, don't ask me that. 222 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:28.200 Don't ask for reassurance. I'm not going to tell you. And then I 223 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:31.039 understood completely why he was getting upset. And people are like, well, 224 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:35.320 that's the show. You have to understand that. But if you're I'm imagining, 225 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:39.879 I'm trying to be empathetic and going, if I'm in the show and 226 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:43.879 I've been convinced to do this show, and now it's become real to me, 227 00:15:43.639 --> 00:15:46.679 your feelings are going to get involved. Wudn't you rather have somebody who's 228 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:50.840 getting upset and saying, no, this is absolutely real to me. It's 229 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:54.320 not a show. I'm not here for followers. I really want to be 230 00:15:54.399 --> 00:15:58.799 with you and I need to know this right here and now. And so 231 00:16:00.320 --> 00:16:03.279 how she came out as the winner as the person that people were like, 232 00:16:03.399 --> 00:16:07.960 no, I'm square, I didn't understand. Well, yeah, so I 233 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:11.559 mean it's a great I feel you guys are probably of the same personality type 234 00:16:11.559 --> 00:16:15.039 that watches it as like a lawyer, because if you could, if your 235 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:18.639 client was Grey Grippo, you're gonna defend him, But if your client was 236 00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:22.480 Katie Thurston, you'd be like, well, maybe she doesn't trust her producers, 237 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:26.200 which we find out she she had a huge falling out with the producer, 238 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:30.440 and she she she obviously knows the show, so she knows that people 239 00:16:30.440 --> 00:16:33.360 are in it for the wrong reasons. They're as f boys. So you 240 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:36.639 could you could look at it from just her angle and go, this guy 241 00:16:36.840 --> 00:16:38.919 he just he wanted to know he was gonna win. But also you could 242 00:16:38.919 --> 00:16:41.279 look at it from his angle, which was like, you know, I 243 00:16:41.279 --> 00:16:47.399 think they both had those good intentions, and the tie goes to her because 244 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:51.480 a she's the lead and it's a female based audience, and so everyone stated 245 00:16:51.480 --> 00:16:55.679 a pretty a pretty boy like Grey Grippo who maybe you know, so while 246 00:16:55.679 --> 00:16:57.960 he might have been the one who left, he might have gotten the answer 247 00:16:59.080 --> 00:17:03.000 that treg him because he was like, now this is you know, he 248 00:17:03.080 --> 00:17:06.160 hit his fire or flight moment when he realized she wasn't gonna give him what 249 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:07.519 he needed. So so to a lot of the audience, they go, 250 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:11.440 oh, Greg's so needy. And by the way, we're like three years 251 00:17:11.519 --> 00:17:14.839 later looking at this, and it's still hard to imagine because that could have 252 00:17:14.839 --> 00:17:18.319 been a sixty minute convo we got seven minutes of, so it is it 253 00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:21.119 is hard to look at that. But all I ever tried to do is 254 00:17:21.200 --> 00:17:25.319 just have empathy for pretty much everyone involved. I could do that about Brian 255 00:17:25.319 --> 00:17:29.440 Abosolo and Rachel Lindsay. I could do it about Jason Tartik and Caitlin Bristow, 256 00:17:29.599 --> 00:17:32.039 who weren't even on a show together, where look, look, I 257 00:17:32.119 --> 00:17:34.960 really think they're all trying their best, and we're only getting to watch it 258 00:17:36.039 --> 00:17:41.519 through our own set of life circumstance that led us to either be triggered or 259 00:17:41.599 --> 00:17:48.000 be sympathetic towards somebody, you know. And I think in most cases they're 260 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:51.839 not villains who are just trying to wreak havoc. They're just not on the 261 00:17:51.880 --> 00:17:56.119 same page in a situation that doesn't have your best interest. Well that's the 262 00:17:56.160 --> 00:17:59.000 thing too, that's always mind blowing to me about the show is that, 263 00:17:59.039 --> 00:18:00.799 like you don't have to marry someone just because you're on the shut, Like 264 00:18:02.119 --> 00:18:04.240 you can't force someone to fall in love with you. That was even the 265 00:18:04.279 --> 00:18:07.880 thing with Tino, Like he was doing his best, and as we sort 266 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:11.920 of were saying off off the show, you know, he really rose to 267 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:15.759 like be you know, after everybody was coming at him for just not loving 268 00:18:15.799 --> 00:18:19.200 her as much as he was supposed to based on a whatever how for many 269 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:22.839 months the reality show. He did it first and then then he didn't. 270 00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:26.880 He's allowed to change his mind. And what he did is he actually used 271 00:18:26.920 --> 00:18:30.359 the platform instead to like promote his charity. He was like, look I 272 00:18:30.440 --> 00:18:33.799 get it, you know, he just he kind of he lowered the temperature 273 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:37.440 and that's that's really hard to do because if you and I, if we 274 00:18:37.440 --> 00:18:41.640 were on that show, I'd be losing my mind. I would be people 275 00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:45.680 on going crazy all the time. You know. They always say don't fight 276 00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:48.440 with people online, and people get mad at Caitlin Bristow because she wears her 277 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:52.640 heart on her sleeve. But like I just tell people, try it, 278 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:57.200 just try it. It's so hard because you make your bones in this parasocial 279 00:18:57.279 --> 00:19:03.920 relationship with the community in the audience, and then if there's an area where 280 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:07.039 there's disagreement, you almost want to treat them like a friend. And if 281 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:08.480 you ever fight with a friend, usually the first thing you want to do 282 00:19:08.559 --> 00:19:11.880 is call them up and try to hash it out. And you can't do 283 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:15.359 that with an audience that kind of sees you as good guy versus bad guy. 284 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:19.319 They see that against Tino and these other villains, and then it takes 285 00:19:19.319 --> 00:19:23.960 some sort of tragic level of empathy for somebody to think of them as a 286 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:27.960 normal person, Like I shouldn't have to like hug my baby and post a 287 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:32.359 sentiment I loved to hug my baby, but like I shouldn't have to do 288 00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:36.079 that for someone to see me as not a monster, but the audiences can 289 00:19:36.079 --> 00:19:38.400 see sometimes is like it's bloodthirsty, like are you good or bad? And 290 00:19:38.599 --> 00:19:44.759 my general ideologies, I think we're all trying our best. Maybe it's not 291 00:19:44.799 --> 00:19:48.880 the sexiest answer, but I think we would. I think four agreements would 292 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:52.920 lead us to a lot less arguments online. But again, we're also looking 293 00:19:52.960 --> 00:20:00.480 at the comment sections as the one percent of the craziest people that have no 294 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:06.079 other place to share their opinions, Like that's not where hinged people go to 295 00:20:06.160 --> 00:20:08.640 express themselves. Let me just say this really quick before we move on to 296 00:20:08.680 --> 00:20:11.880 the next thing, just in case you listen to our other podcast board AF 297 00:20:12.359 --> 00:20:17.680 Stephanie and I did one time make fun of the four Agreements only because a 298 00:20:17.759 --> 00:20:19.480 guy. I was on a date or whatever. I don't know what it 299 00:20:19.519 --> 00:20:22.480 was, but I was with a guy and he just like yawned in mid 300 00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:26.200 sentence when I was talking and I was like, oh am I boring you, 301 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:29.960 and he goes, you need to read the four Agreements, not to 302 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:33.480 take things first. We should have weaponized the four Agreements. I'm just saying 303 00:20:33.759 --> 00:20:37.759 just so don't think it's you. This was a long time ago that we 304 00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:41.720 talked about it. I mean, yeah, he misused. You did not 305 00:20:41.839 --> 00:20:44.480 misuse it. He did misuse it. Yeah. Well, but it's like 306 00:20:44.519 --> 00:20:48.559 you know, it's it is. It's funny because I was and can be 307 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:52.519 a very defensive person. So I have to let things slide, and I 308 00:20:52.559 --> 00:20:56.039 have to let the fact that there's a I have to let, like like 309 00:20:56.079 --> 00:20:59.960 my own personal shit slide where I go okay. I was able to buy 310 00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:03.559 a home and provide for my family based on my voice and having a podcast. 311 00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:07.599 And because of that, I've got this awesome audience that loves me and 312 00:21:08.039 --> 00:21:12.119 sent me every gift on our baby registry. They our dog passed away, 313 00:21:12.200 --> 00:21:18.680 and flowers showed up to our doorsteps. They're amazing and a small but loyal 314 00:21:18.680 --> 00:21:22.079 group of people fucking hate me. And that's just the deal. I have 315 00:21:22.119 --> 00:21:25.759 to be okay with it. It's still not easy. It's still not easy, 316 00:21:25.759 --> 00:21:26.960 but you just have to be okay with it. How long ago did 317 00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:32.799 you have a baby? And congratulations? I have three of them. We 318 00:21:33.279 --> 00:21:38.359 eight weeks? Yesterday? Oh my god, that's right. Today and yes 319 00:21:38.480 --> 00:21:42.599 and last night has been the worst day. He's just we're waiting for that 320 00:21:42.640 --> 00:21:47.000 good part. You know, I feel like you just need to fart, 321 00:21:47.039 --> 00:21:51.000 But he's having a rough one, but we're both like at home. My 322 00:21:51.039 --> 00:21:55.759 wife's no longer working and we moved to Tennessee from Los Angeles and bought a 323 00:21:55.799 --> 00:21:57.640 home and you know, I work from home now doing the podcast and you 324 00:21:57.720 --> 00:22:03.279 know all that, and it's it's been amazing. Every day he's a new 325 00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:07.839 baby. He just grows so fast. It's it's just incredible. It's it's 326 00:22:07.880 --> 00:22:14.160 sad almost that I can't stop it. But early days of the baby are 327 00:22:14.799 --> 00:22:18.880 horrifying, Like it's it's bad. I mean, if you're feeling, if 328 00:22:18.920 --> 00:22:22.920 you're having moments, and especially if your wife is having moments where she's like 329 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:26.720 I can't, I can't do it. It does get better, and it 330 00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:32.720 is okay to acknowledge that sleep deprivation is real and makes you insane and babies 331 00:22:32.759 --> 00:22:36.680 that are crying constantly are drive you nuts. And it doesn't mean you don't 332 00:22:36.720 --> 00:22:40.720 love your baby, but I promise you, when they're like five, totally 333 00:22:40.759 --> 00:22:45.839 different, Oh thank you. You're just like a little short ears away from 334 00:22:45.119 --> 00:22:48.839 our baby has been really good. When I say today, like last night 335 00:22:48.920 --> 00:22:52.839 was the worst night, I wouldn't I wouldn't risk it for any other Like 336 00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:56.480 he's been so good. You know, it doesn't sleep through the night, 337 00:22:56.559 --> 00:22:59.680 but you know I get to sleep in. You know, I work from 338 00:22:59.720 --> 00:23:02.319 home, my own boss, so I just I sleep in a little bit 339 00:23:02.359 --> 00:23:04.279 longer. And I've been going a little bit slower the last few months, 340 00:23:04.680 --> 00:23:10.279 and it's been it's been. Uh, it's been fantastic having something more important 341 00:23:10.279 --> 00:23:15.200 than me towards How does you get into podcasting? Can you tell how did 342 00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:18.960 you get into this whole Bachelor? Where do you? Yeah, I'll tell 343 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:21.559 you. I think you're gonna ask my baby's name is August. I was 344 00:23:21.559 --> 00:23:23.559 actually gonna ask where your baby stands on Clayton, But we'll get to that. 345 00:23:25.599 --> 00:23:27.720 We'll come back. We'll come back to that. So I also told 346 00:23:27.759 --> 00:23:33.319 my baby he loved him. He's actually Clayton's parents. When I went I 347 00:23:33.319 --> 00:23:37.240 had a live show in Phoenix, his parents came out and gave gave a 348 00:23:37.240 --> 00:23:42.160 little baby gift to my baby. Yeah, what his parents have been sweet, 349 00:23:42.160 --> 00:23:45.279 got it. Got a big hug from them, which I guess we'll 350 00:23:45.279 --> 00:23:48.079 get into all of that, but I know I got into I was covering 351 00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:53.200 The Bachelor for years just on my YouTube channel and without much of a direction 352 00:23:53.480 --> 00:23:57.720 in the business side of how to get it going. And then one year, 353 00:23:57.839 --> 00:24:03.480 I think twenty late twenty, I started to get some algorithm going and 354 00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:07.559 I was kind of studying how Mister Beast and other channels were taking off, 355 00:24:08.079 --> 00:24:12.920 and I I just once, once the story went, I didn't slow down 356 00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:17.400 and I started making content every day, and I've pretty much released a piece 357 00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:21.599 of content every day since then. Okay, and who was the first? 358 00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:26.079 Like, was there a Bachelor Nation person that reached out to you or was 359 00:24:26.079 --> 00:24:29.839 in your DMS or was like I like what you're doing or liked your take 360 00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:33.480 on them. That's a good question. I know Peter Weber, I was. 361 00:24:33.559 --> 00:24:37.160 I made a video really making fun of him, but like, you 362 00:24:37.160 --> 00:24:40.079 know, a in a comedic way, and he texted me being like, 363 00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:41.920 dude, you roasted me. That was so funny, and I was like, 364 00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:45.680 oh interesting. When my channel took off, you know, I got 365 00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:49.920 this the standard phone call everyone gets from Nick vill saying call me. I 366 00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:53.680 got ad because you know, he wants to make sure everyone's on his good 367 00:24:53.720 --> 00:24:59.759 side. Got that, and then my channel took off with Katie Thurston's. 368 00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:03.720 My channel had taken up taken off the season before Katie Thurston. So Matt 369 00:25:03.799 --> 00:25:07.400 James season. That whole controversy was it's a big it was a big story 370 00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:10.640 to talk about. And then Katie tweets, you know, I don't think 371 00:25:10.720 --> 00:25:15.880 Chris Harrison should be the host, and and everything changes, and I think 372 00:25:15.880 --> 00:25:19.480 I was pretty fair in covering her season, and she DMed me or somehow 373 00:25:19.519 --> 00:25:26.440 we communicated and she was like, I think she was actually in quarantine to 374 00:25:26.559 --> 00:25:30.480 begin taping her season and they took away her phone and she she told me 375 00:25:30.519 --> 00:25:34.160 this later on, but that she had Hulu or she had she had a 376 00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:37.440 Roku TV that had YouTube, and my channel was like one of those that 377 00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:42.079 makes like daily updates, so she was able to get like updates from from 378 00:25:42.519 --> 00:25:47.599 the internet based on my YouTube videos only. And you know, I mean, 379 00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:49.000 I look, I have. I've tried my best not to. I 380 00:25:49.000 --> 00:25:52.599 always try to talk about people as if they're gonna watch, because I kind 381 00:25:52.599 --> 00:25:56.680 of feel like that's just a common courtesy. Like if I have a criticism 382 00:25:56.720 --> 00:26:00.119 of Nick nick Viile's takes on mental health, it's something I would want to 383 00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:03.240 say to his face, and it's not a criticism on him as a person. 384 00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:07.880 If I criticize the way, you know, you know, I don't 385 00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:11.240 know, so and so handle something. I just want to get back to 386 00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:14.640 a world where we can discuss, we can criticize the point, not the 387 00:26:14.680 --> 00:26:17.880 person, and I think we take things so personally. But you know, 388 00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:21.000 I never I never liked Katie Thurston because I thought she had all of her 389 00:26:21.039 --> 00:26:22.960 shit together. I thought she wore her heart on her sleeve. I love 390 00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:26.599 when people do that same thing. With Katelyn Bristow and Maria they all have 391 00:26:26.720 --> 00:26:30.599 that same thing that I love, which is like tell people how it is, 392 00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:32.960 like we want to know how you feel, and you're gonna make your 393 00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:37.839 enemies. But also I think that's more authentic. I love Katelyn Bristow for 394 00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:41.119 the record. In her season, ah I love. I was like, 395 00:26:41.240 --> 00:26:45.759 this is this is why I watched the show because I remember that I've been 396 00:26:45.799 --> 00:26:49.079 watching The Bachelor since season one. I had friends who were casting it, 397 00:26:49.640 --> 00:26:53.839 and from my early days of TV, some of my casting friends were like 398 00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:56.759 telling me about it and in the casting process, and I was like, 399 00:26:56.759 --> 00:27:00.039 oh, this sounds like such an interesting show. But the first season of 400 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:04.200 the Bachelorette with Trista, I was like, Okay, I like this. 401 00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:08.000 I want to see this this woman with all these guys to choose from and 402 00:27:08.440 --> 00:27:11.720 choose on the other foot, and she's in power. And I remember Caitlin 403 00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:17.599 Bristow's season being the first one where I was mad because they pitted her against 404 00:27:17.680 --> 00:27:21.680 the other girl whose name I can't remember. So I was mad at first. 405 00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:23.720 I really wanted her to get it. She got it, and then 406 00:27:23.799 --> 00:27:27.319 when she slept with Nick early in the season, I was like, yeah, 407 00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:32.880 Okay, this is like real life, like and that date was hot, 408 00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:36.200 Like that was a hot date, and I was like I could totally 409 00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:40.400 see having some drinks and being like you know what, I don't care like 410 00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:44.880 and then being like oh no, like now what do I owe to who? 411 00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:48.880 And I mean I felt I felt it was so it felt very very 412 00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:52.599 authentic to me. Yeah, and Caitlin. I see Caitlyn as somebody who's 413 00:27:53.079 --> 00:28:00.160 probably just very similar to myself. And I've really empathized with her struggle of 414 00:28:00.519 --> 00:28:03.640 trying to you know, you know, want to be a people pleaser. 415 00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:06.799 I don't. I don't see being a people pleaser as a bad thing, 416 00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:08.599 like obviously you need to set boundaries, but like she wants the room to 417 00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:11.720 be happy. She's a jokester, and I always liked her from that and 418 00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:15.759 I thought she did a hell of a great job as a host. And 419 00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:18.799 and I think, you know, because of that, she probably she probably 420 00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:21.279 heard that I was kind of like an ally, and I think she's had 421 00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:23.359 me on her show. Today was the fourth time I've done her show. 422 00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:26.839 I was on her show. Yeah, I just came out the fourth. 423 00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:30.519 We did three different episodes. One was a two parter. But I've just 424 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:36.839 I've just always enjoyed her entrepreneurial spirit. She went into The Bachelor with nobody. 425 00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:41.359 You know, she she's she gets this is what kills me is she 426 00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:45.160 wears her hot on a sleeve. On her podcast, she shares her darkest 427 00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:49.720 feelings about how she's insecure and everything she's going through, and then people will 428 00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:52.960 use that against her. Right, So, like even recently with Jason Tartik, 429 00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:56.359 She's like, yeah, I felt this way, and I felt that 430 00:28:56.400 --> 00:28:59.000 way, and I was jealous that he was starting a podcast. How could 431 00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:00.599 you be jealous? And it's like, listen, anyone in the world, 432 00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:04.759 would you know you can be jealous of the person you love, you know 433 00:29:04.599 --> 00:29:10.240 you Caalen tells us about her complex feelings and people judge her for it, 434 00:29:10.279 --> 00:29:11.839 and I'm like, gosh, you guys don't know a good thing when you 435 00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:18.200 have it. Yeah, it makes people back off of being honest. Oh 436 00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:22.000 and that's why the show really struggles to find a villain, because everybody's so 437 00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:26.960 worried about how they're going to come off now that it's like, it's not 438 00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:30.759 Yeah, it's so inauthentic. If you took away the comments sections and just 439 00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:33.880 said, look, let's let people be goofballs, have fun and go at 440 00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:37.319 it, we would have a crazy TV show. But you know, yeah, 441 00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:41.400 people, if you do say the wrong thing or come off the wrong 442 00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:45.839 way, you might have you might be like soft canceled, which is a 443 00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:48.920 term people don't like to use because it means a lot of different things. 444 00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:52.640 But you know, I mean, gosh, the uh you know, Brandon 445 00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:56.559 Maraus, you know, they're the great unfollowing that I covered. They were 446 00:29:56.599 --> 00:30:02.039 just having an honest conversation about getting Instagram followed that everybody else on Bachelor in 447 00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:04.519 Paradise was having. They just did it on camera and they got roasted for 448 00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:07.039 it, and it's like, all right, well, I guess I guess 449 00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:11.440 it was their fault, not for having that conversation, but for having it 450 00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:15.079 on a hot mic and they got caught. But everyone's doing it. I 451 00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:19.680 feel guilty, Stephanie, Don't I feel guilty to them? I think Brandon 452 00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:26.079 Brandan or Brendan I can't remember. I think he was slimy though, because 453 00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:30.519 he was the way okay Aitia's season, that was from Tasia's season, and 454 00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:36.319 he was acted like he was I thought that he was what do we want 455 00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:40.240 to call it. We won't say gas lady, but he was acting like 456 00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:42.559 he was really really into her. And then remember at the last minute, 457 00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:45.799 was just like, oh, I don't know if I'm ready because of like 458 00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:51.240 my previous relationship, and then like right after that, hooked up with Piper. 459 00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:56.000 I mean that was what people slipped out. Some fakery. I totally 460 00:30:56.079 --> 00:31:02.119 agree with you. I think the struggle is knowing and maybe this is a 461 00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:06.839 more of a masculine trait not to trigger people into making this a gender thing. 462 00:31:06.920 --> 00:31:12.839 I'm triggered already. But don't I sound so just but all the wait? 463 00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:21.799 Let me man explains when a guy I don't know, sometimes there's a 464 00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:25.240 there's a confusion between do I like somebody or do I just want to compete 465 00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:29.359 for them? And guys are dumb, We're like dogs. Sometimes we just 466 00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:32.680 want to chase the ice cream truck and don't realize we don't even want ice 467 00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:37.279 cream, you know, like we're just idiots that way, And and you 468 00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:40.480 get in and that's what makes the show work because you get Claire Crawley or 469 00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:42.440 you get whoever, and then you go, oh, I'm competing for her 470 00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:45.920 because that's your primal instinct. And then maybe you get her and you realize, 471 00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:49.119 oh, this is why no relationships work, as I'm not actually into 472 00:31:49.160 --> 00:31:53.559 her versus a Bacheler in Paradise where it's a little bit less all eyes on 473 00:31:53.559 --> 00:31:57.119 one prize and more co mingling. So look, I mean, yeah, 474 00:31:57.119 --> 00:32:01.440 that's so obviously everyone's going to be physically attracted to the lead. They're usually 475 00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:06.759 almost always just a hot person and then it but like that's never enough once 476 00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:10.519 the dust settles on that competition. So like Lake Moines Katie Thurston, they're 477 00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:13.839 hot, they're cute, but then you know, dust settles and they go, 478 00:32:14.119 --> 00:32:15.359 oh, maybe we just don't have that much in comment and that's okay. 479 00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:20.279 That would have happened day three in a normal relationship, before you ever 480 00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:22.640 made it official. Before you know, that's just what happens in life. 481 00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:25.640 You hook up and you go, oh yeah, the morning after brunch, 482 00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:29.599 no, I got the ick gross. When we were all drinking and having 483 00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:32.599 fun, you know, all of the physical chemistry was there, but nothing 484 00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:37.440 lined up after. And maybe that's what happens with someone like Brendon Marius, 485 00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:39.000 who's just like I don't know. I was competing for the lead. I 486 00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:42.079 wanted her, and then I found out I was a finalist, and I 487 00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:45.039 got freaked out. So it doesn't make it right, but I just I 488 00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:49.559 just see how that could happen. Hey, guys, before we go on, 489 00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:53.599 I just wanted to mention Tropical Smoothie Cafe. We're a little obsessed. 490 00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:57.400 We know you're hearing about this a lot, but we are genuinely obsessed. 491 00:32:57.440 --> 00:33:00.680 Because what better time for summer, like when it's hot out and you're by 492 00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:07.680 the pool for a bright and refreshing and tropical delicious smoothie. I mean, 493 00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:14.680 everything I've tried is delicious. I love their mocktails. I mean the watermelon 494 00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:20.480 Mojito smoothie is my favorite. It's watermelon, mint, strawberries, and lime. 495 00:33:20.839 --> 00:33:23.599 Plus they have the Mango berry Cosmo Smoothie, which is mango strawberries, 496 00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:28.960 cranberry and lime. But I know you Love's in the City episode, like 497 00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:31.480 with the Cosmo you can kind of it really does feel like that. My 498 00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:37.240 favorite is the Island Punch Smoothie. Listen to this so peach, wuava, 499 00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:42.640 passion fruit, mango, and pineapple, so delicious, and they have bowls, 500 00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:45.440 they have food too. Yeah. Absolutely, So here's what you're gonna 501 00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:52.559 want to do. Visit one of Tropical Smoothie Cafes fourteen hundred plus locations or 502 00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:58.039 order online or through their app. You're on Tropic Time now with Tropical Smoothie 503 00:33:58.039 --> 00:34:02.880 Cafe. Of course, I think that's the problem with the show. But 504 00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:08.519 let me ask you this honest opinion. And I know you have been close 505 00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:14.280 friends with Katie. Did you feel that Greg was the one that she wanted 506 00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:19.360 and that she talked herself into Blake. You know, I've I've had these 507 00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:22.000 like private conversations with her and she has not budged and said no, Blake 508 00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:27.320 was the one. That's what she's told me. So she's so mad at 509 00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:31.800 Greg then, well so mad after the final Rose she caused a huge fight 510 00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:37.000 with him. She I mean, she just wanted to no, no, 511 00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:38.719 no, So that's what I mean, look, I don't know if I 512 00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:42.960 were if I was in her position and Greg was the one, I don't 513 00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:45.480 know if I would be willing to admit it if you know, like I 514 00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:50.480 don't know, what do I know? What do I know? So like 515 00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:55.320 it could she could there be a scenario where she didn't want to get rejected 516 00:34:55.679 --> 00:35:00.000 and Greg ended up getting that momentum. Maybe, but I think there were 517 00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:05.840 just two different two different trajectories. And why why say Greg was the one 518 00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:07.480 when you know you didn't pursue the other. But yeah, no, no 519 00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:10.519 matter what choice she makes, people are gonna look at it going, well, 520 00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:13.159 then why did you do this? Or why did you do that? 521 00:35:13.239 --> 00:35:15.519 And it's like, I think it's less like when you're in the moment, 522 00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:20.719 which I haven't been, you're just pursuing both simultaneously, and maybe you maybe 523 00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:24.360 maybe the human the human mind's much better at compartmentalizing than we think, because 524 00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:29.559 you've got people like Clayton that said he fell in love with like multiple women 525 00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:30.519 and he's like, look, I didn't believe it, but it happened. 526 00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:35.280 So I just those of us that haven't been in those situations. I guess 527 00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:37.639 if we defer to those that have been. We realize, well, they 528 00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:40.159 all they all did it, or at least felt like they were doing it, 529 00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:45.159 So you know, maybe I've done it. I've done it. And 530 00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:47.559 we've talked about that on the show because I was not as hard on Clayton. 531 00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:51.239 We've had that kind of conversation because I was like, I don't think 532 00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:52.719 it's that big of a deal. The show is designed for you to fall 533 00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:55.280 in love with a bunch of people. I've done it in real life, 534 00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:59.760 not being on The Bachelor. Sometimes you're just kind of like in a casual 535 00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:02.360 thing and then you're kind of open and then you know, bang it happens, 536 00:36:02.599 --> 00:36:06.880 and then the variables are all different. You know, it's just you 537 00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:09.760 just you paint all of the all of the traits in the direction that you 538 00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:14.159 want them to be, and then until they reveal themselves and I don't even 539 00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:17.119 want to say red flags, just not your flag, and and and on 540 00:36:17.199 --> 00:36:21.320 these shows you just don't get to know anyone, uh, in that short 541 00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:24.039 amount of time that you don't really get to properly choose, like Blake Blake 542 00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:30.159 Moins and Greg Grippo both are really good looking, really charming guys. I 543 00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:34.480 mean, I'd never hung out with Greg Grippo one person, but Blake is 544 00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:37.000 a hunk, and who wouldn't want to fall Who wouldn't fall for one of 545 00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:39.159 these guys? And then afterward you go, all right, I don't want 546 00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:44.039 to live on a safari, you know whatever. And it doesn't make Blake 547 00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:46.239 any less of a guy. They just they just didn't overcome They didn't, 548 00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:52.320 you know, they extinguished that flame. And maybe Katie's the type that realized 549 00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:54.320 it, and maybe she's the type that that goes all right, I don't 550 00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:58.599 even want to say got the ick, but like she realized, why why 551 00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:00.719 go to Canada and meet his family when I know this isn't it? And 552 00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:04.679 and Bowman, it's over and you know you got to give I mean, 553 00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:08.559 you just these relationships need that buffer to figure that out. And I'll never 554 00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:12.920 be the type that's like, oh, they failed. It's like, no, 555 00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:15.400 they did. They pursued it. You got to pursue it. And 556 00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:20.079 then they all clutter out at a different time or they don't. Well, 557 00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:24.400 except in the case of the Golden Bachelor, they failed. They really failed. 558 00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:30.960 And I blame something something is not right. I blame uh what's her 559 00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:36.320 face? Because it's like, yeah, I always think, look, and 560 00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:38.360 maybe they didn't have this conversation, but you signed up to go on the 561 00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:43.159 Bachelor, you're signing up to move to wherever the Bachelor is like, and 562 00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:45.360 if if you sign up for the Bachelorette, that's the main person. So 563 00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:50.119 obviously gonna have those conversations. But like she probably just kind of look at 564 00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:52.159 Indiana and was like, I'm good, Like, Jersey's a great state. 565 00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:55.840 I get it. They hadn't even talked about what she did for a living 566 00:37:55.920 --> 00:38:00.559 until like the last episode. None of that made some so it was like, 567 00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:01.480 wait a minute. All of a sudden, Gary was like, way, 568 00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:07.559 you're like you stocks now he perked up. Wow, that's his choice. 569 00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:09.400 Remember, Yeah, Oh, I'm seeing you in a different fight, 570 00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:14.480 lady. I'd like to bend you over. We have a really disgusting I 571 00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:17.199 did a whole we did our Golden Bachelor on Patreon so that we could get 572 00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:22.000 just nasty and we just got filthy with it. I don't know why I'm 573 00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:25.079 proud of that. Yeah. Well, Gary's interesting because he's friends with a 574 00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:29.400 lot of his exes. He was friend he was he was on a vaca 575 00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:32.199 with, but he was on a vacation with an ex when he got the 576 00:38:32.239 --> 00:38:36.920 Bachelor, and he just like treats them. And again, I'm not questioning 577 00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:39.480 his sexuality. I'm not making any questions whatsoever. It sounds like you are. 578 00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:43.679 It seems like he just wants friends at this point. You know what 579 00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:46.480 I mean, I do. He just wants a friend, and maybe Teresa 580 00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:52.760 wasn't there enough for him to be what he wanted, Like it's just a 581 00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:54.679 local friend. I don't know. Well, he's a horny guy, so 582 00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:58.840 yeah, maybe he just wanted somebody who was you know, he didn't want 583 00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:00.960 to have to schedule three months in advance. Well they didn't even make it 584 00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:06.840 three months, so that's not even the case. What about what's her name 585 00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:09.199 though? Faith? Who was like, I can't the reason I can't move 586 00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:14.599 is because my horse is buried in this town. That was That was a 587 00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:16.639 curve ball. That was a tough excuse. Can you imagine hearing that? 588 00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:19.800 You're like, I thought we really had something. It's like, oh, 589 00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:24.400 I've been rejected every way you can think of, but I have not had 590 00:39:24.440 --> 00:39:28.280 that. That is, Yeah, I just take the loss on that. 591 00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:34.039 Okay, So let us talk about something that has been recently. I say, 592 00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:37.239 in the news of course it's not the news in the Reddit news, 593 00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:44.119 in the Bachelor Verse news, which is that Clayton was wrongfully accused of fathering 594 00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:49.239 twins. And you have been like on the front lines of this, of 595 00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:54.320 the Clayton Eckert defense team. Can you tell us about that? How I 596 00:39:54.360 --> 00:40:00.480 mean? I was objective in my coverage of this story because I did not 597 00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:01.800 want to be on the wrong side of this. I did not want to 598 00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:05.599 defend Clayton, a guy I had never met before. I had interviewed him 599 00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:07.960 but never met in person. I did not want to be on the wrong 600 00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:09.840 side of this because he looked really bad in this article that came out, 601 00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:14.800 but it also read like a smear job. And by the end of the 602 00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:17.559 week after there was claims that he was the father of someone's unborn twins, 603 00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:22.639 we find out she had made the claims about seen previously. And then later 604 00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:25.119 on we find out a third guy and actually a fourth guy, and then 605 00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:29.639 we find out that some of this evidence is fraudulent, and so I start 606 00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:32.639 covering the case. I get sent to cease and desist, and I keep 607 00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:37.079 covering the case, and then she tries to her she sent you the cease 608 00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:38.679 and desist. Yeah, she tries to get a restraining order on me, 609 00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:43.559 which was denied in La Superior Court. But she did file an injunction against 610 00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:46.840 harassment, so essentially sued me for harassment. And meanwhile I still was not 611 00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:52.000 saying her name. I never said her name publicly until the court ruling came 612 00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:57.599 out. But we unearthed a lot of evidence, like real evidence that that 613 00:40:57.679 --> 00:41:00.679 showed that there was a Fiverr logo at time hatched to an ultrasound that she 614 00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:04.880 claimed was hers. Now we since found out that was all. Oh no, 615 00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:07.599 I didn't know that. Yeah, that was from the previous guy she 616 00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:10.920 did this to eighteen. Now, this ultrasound was from a blog written in 617 00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:15.199 twenty sixteen. We have since found the person who wrote that blog. She's 618 00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:20.920 part of Mommy's enduring neonatal death. The ultrasound was about a vanishing twin, 619 00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:25.000 which like a mischarage of one of the twins. The positive is that our 620 00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:31.119 community has come together to raise funds for the surviving twin and that twin is 621 00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:36.119 going to have their ninth birthday end of July. So we've raised over sixteen 622 00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:40.159 hundred dollars since yesterday. Oh, I'm having for that poor woman who had 623 00:41:40.199 --> 00:41:46.599 her ultrasound video exploited. Yeah. Yeah, so we raised and we're still 624 00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:50.800 we're still raising the money and we're just saying, look, if we raise 625 00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:52.239 more than they need for the birthday party, go to Disney World. But 626 00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:58.960 like, we're just trying to do some good here this lady who was who 627 00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:01.880 put Clayton through Hell yeah, we found we we kind of looked zoomed in 628 00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:07.079 on the image and found the found a clearcut Fiverr logo with Clayton's ultrasound came 629 00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:10.800 the internet. Found that it came from a seven year old YouTube video, 630 00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:15.440 you know, a YouTube video that had like one hundred views. People scoured 631 00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:21.800 the Internet and then with the help of thousands of audience members, were able 632 00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:24.039 to put this all together. Now her attorney and her are saying, oh, 633 00:42:24.039 --> 00:42:29.400 this is all Clayton's cult. They Her attorney said he wanted to read 634 00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:34.519 my obituary before throwing the newspaper out. He's threatened to make me go homeless 635 00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:37.840 and said his client's going to be grazing her horses on my property in Tennessee. 636 00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:42.599 I mean, they have harassed the hell out of me. She dropped 637 00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:45.519 her lawsuit against me the night before we were supposed to be in trial, 638 00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:51.280 she drops it and wanted me to agree that I would never incite any violence 639 00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:53.800 against her, which of course I would never do. That's illegal. And 640 00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:59.440 then that night she received a death threat. She faked a black journalist, 641 00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:02.840 which we later found out was her because we did a two factor authentication on 642 00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:07.400 the black journalist's YouTube account and it led back to her phone number, and 643 00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:12.280 also we had a source at a website domain tell us that it was a 644 00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:16.320 matching phone number. She faked this black journalist because she was trying to cancel 645 00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:21.400 Clayton for dancing to a song with the N word in it. She claimed 646 00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:25.079 her father, who was a famous radio DJ, claimed anti semitism because Clayton 647 00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:30.639 claimed she was like a cockroats that wouldn't go away. They played the Black 648 00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:32.840 Lives Matter, the Me Too, the feminist movement. She made up an 649 00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:39.199 Asian doctor and faked overarian cancer to a previous victim. She denied that under 650 00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:45.119 oath in an affidavit. So we raised three thousand dollars actually five thousand dollars 651 00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:49.039 could we raise more than we asked for? And we put that money to 652 00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:54.519 a forensic expert to verify the text messages were authenticated. She faked overian cancer 653 00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:59.039 and other things to victim Mike, who was from twenty sixteen. Wow, 654 00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:02.920 this interview is going so great that we have decided to split this into two 655 00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:07.440 parts, right sas, Oh yeah, hell yeah, and trust me, 656 00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:13.599 y'all gonna want to come back for part two because it's it's fantastic. Things 657 00:44:13.639 --> 00:44:19.159 are about to get pretty crazy. M hm. Yes, but before we 658 00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:22.159 go from part one, we have some shout outs to do, so let's 659 00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:27.440 say how to our people. Yes, okay, let's just start with don 660 00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:30.519 Lee Hurry Hi, don Lee, Hi, Cassi Wadsworth, thank you for 661 00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:37.880 being on our Patreon, Sarah Baker, Jenny Harden, Jane McMurray take it, 662 00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:43.159 and Yarborough, Shelley Clavier, Sherry Shannon All the Sherry's, Tama Adams, 663 00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:49.519 Sherry Singer, Randy may Ames, Paul's, Paul Sully Sullivan and Stephanie 664 00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:53.039 Rinker. We love all of you guys, but we also have some biziness 665 00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:59.760 shout outs too, like e Sean still with the Rotary Club. So don't 666 00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:02.880 see on the Rotary Club. You know you think it's just for old stuffy 667 00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:07.840 men in business suits. But it's not. 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Our friend Jessica Tepper has a book called Deceitful Reflection. 678 00:45:55.079 --> 00:46:00.320 I am halfway through. It's so much fun. It's so well written. 679 00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:04.559 It's like a mystery, it's got everything, revenge, the cheating husband. 680 00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:08.119 It's a good summertime read. If you guys like like you are this kind 681 00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:13.360 of stuff, you can go to Amazon and get this book again called Deceitful 682 00:46:13.480 --> 00:46:17.840 Reflection. You can follow her at Writers and Underscore Readers one four three on 683 00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:24.400 Instagram. Yes, and also let's talk about Laura Stewart's Aspire Counseling. It's 684 00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:30.559 out of Denver. It's she runs a practice in Colorado with other therapists and 685 00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:34.639 they specialize in trauma work. But less do you think that you have to 686 00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:37.760 be in Denver or in Colorado to do it. You don't because they're doing 687 00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:45.480 this really cool thing called remote brain mapping, neurofeedback and coaching. If you 688 00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:50.519 go to Denver brainspotting dot com you can find out more about it. But 689 00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:55.400 it has to do with wearing a headset and getting like professional coaching about your 690 00:46:55.440 --> 00:47:01.360 trauma. So check them out Denver brainspotting dot com. All right, love 691 00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:07.480 you guys, Mina, see you in an hour. Yeah, good bye bye