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m so glad to see you today sapphire how you are. S Fund,
fine, fine, chen and you' re fine. I' m a
little depressed, lowkey, I' m lokey the Press, but I'
m very happy because today we have a new episode with a great guest,
depressed but blessed. That' s like the theme of non- depressed jenzey.
But I do have another teacher today if one job, but winning the
one below. True, that' s the generation of I mean, those
are a genzin anatiall no sorry, you already offended them and barely did.
Today we have a great guest who is not jensey is not boomer. It
' s boomer already and the truth is we had an amazing time with the
funniest boomers. Yes, the truth, in my opinion, brilliant, talented
and humble that I have known and it is a privilege to be able to
record this episode and present it to you today with our great friend Marcos Marcus
Wir Marcuswit and Te. I want to remember that the entire season number seven
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fun, so without saying we leave them with the second episode has to be
something that Lana goes up Lana goes down, something like that, something low.
There yes, chanse for the next cha, the next Soundward or Ok,
not so, for the next episode, But without more than saying we
leave them with episode two of the seventh season of the Podcast tea with Marcos
Wit or Chao Ay how about latilovers. Welcome to this, which is the
most important podcast in human history. Season number seven. If you are a
Christian, you know that number seven is an important number for believers. OK
and as it is season seven episode one, we have a luxury guest with
us today in Uncle Podcast' s studio we have our great friend Marcos I
jam Marcos How you are super super r seven means the number of that was
completed, the number of perfection, if it is the closing of a cycle,
because the eight you are ready the number of new beginnings. Or so,
the seven is biblically the number of perfection in seven days. God compared
with all creation or on the eighth day a new beginning. That already excites
me, because then it means it was going to be the perfect podcast season.
Perfection is going to be the perfect season. The eighth will be another
chas. Last cha' s over. If it ends here. Hey,
right now that I was picking up my love for Marcos at the airport,
I was telling him, and you' re getting to him. I'
m thinner. I had to lose and I had to lose kilos. Turns
out they found me a lot of sugar inside the body. I think I
was too sweet looking and if I assumed then I had to modify lifestyle diet.
It' s been four months. That makes me feel much, much
better. Thank God. If I refuse to reach diabetic. Sure, no,
no, no, if we ask you what you want for coffee and
black is no case, no sugar, no nothing. He' s getting
along well and so am I. But just like you said, I thought
reflux and singers is a whole thing. Yeah, but there are ways to
fix it. The reflux is the number one enemy singers, yes, and
it is strange that all singers have it. It' ll be the diaphragm
for something. Or I don' t know if we' re getting a
lot of light. Ah, well, yeah, we eat a lot,
we eat unscathed to both branches. When the concert is over, of course,
the concert ends, they all go to dinner. That' s city
reflux. Yeah, but the reflux can be controlled. There are ways to
control it and there are secrets, because you have to control the reflux,
because otherwise, if you burn the vocal cords, yes literal, I picked
it up for a while. I started coughing and it' s just that
I had chili aquiles and I started the reflux. And it' s like
it happened to me, that I' ve lasted weeks without being able to
talk about the reflux issue. I don' t know if you throughout your
experience. Obviously, right now, you' re having to change patterns and
behaviors. What have followed you in your life and talking about closing cycles start
new. How following you would have trans noticed that you have to change patterns,
for example. Right now, we' re just starting our thirties from
shepherding young people, from behaving in a way, from living in a way,
and right now, I think we' re having a hard time deciphering
good. We are now pastors of a church. To my liking, we
' re too young to be pastoring a church. No. No, no,
no, but that' s what he wanted. I have nothing to
do with what father, what father you are shepherding in your youth, because
then you have the energy, you have the creativity, the enthusiasm. Not
what father the Lord has given you this, this blessing, this pe is
a stretch and loosen, it is a challenge. But right now, we
' re kind of good at this season of our 30s, already with a
daughter. We' re having a hard time recalibrating, say good. We
have to change these behaviors and patterns in your life. What would you say
have been the biggest transitions and changes that have brought the most benefits to your
career, to your business to your family if you could talk to us a
little bit, the most important. Unfortunately, he arrived very late in my
life, but it was to enjoy life ok Yo. I was always very
serious when I was young, seriously my business should be to see you as
someone very square, very airtight. Not a month ago I ran into a
friend, she was one of my best friends, when we were fifteen,
sixteen, seventeen years old and we were together at Musica' s school.
Today she is the Minister of Government in her country. Oh I grew up
this amazing lady. Well we met again after many years. We went to
dinner and he was reminding me, and I said," I' m
serious" You were a few friends, not a few friends, but I
was very focused. I knew very early. One God is going to use
me two, I' m going to make someone different, three. I,
at the age of eighteen, made a very radical decision, which was
not to listen to any secular music ok and that decision I kept until forty
- six Guaus of age did not hear anything from mos and where that decision
came from. Back then, it was very important to me. I felt
the lord asked me to. I saw it as a conviction. Now I
understand it was a personal decision. We often confuse conviction with personal determination.
Of course, it is not true, yes, and the problem is when
we take a conviction and try to impose it on the other person totally what
I did and now I apologize to all of you who had to live at
that moment. Hey, and it' s all burning Luis Miguel' s
records because of you, a sincere apology to Luis Miguel. He tells me
you' re watching this podcast. But when I was forty- seven,
I began to understand that many of the things I thought were convictions were simply
personal choices, personal tastes. And I started to enjoy life more, to
laugh more, to spend times like this with you as well as with you
right now, to enjoy, to tell jokes, to tell jokes. I
was like on a crusade. That' s not why I remember and when
I was thirty- two years old I was already filling every WOW stadium in
every country across the continent. But because I was like this, I was
a soldier. I never give you an example. Once we walk here in
South America and tell us Pastor Marcos Este here twenty minutes away are the falls
of the iguazú Oh Wow, one of the wonders of the world. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, you gotta go check it out. He tells me
if we leave tomorrow, in the morning, an hour before, we take
him for a walk, we look, we take pictures and we take them
to the airport. My answer was no. But he' s not angry.
No, no, no, no, it was no, sir,
and I tell you I hear myself telling you and I remember very well.
We come to establish the kingdom. We don' t come from tourists.
How and that was me and the pastor yes, that' s true and
I turn to see you. I' m doing everything wrong, I'
m doing the matics, okay, I' m doing everybody. My music
was Randal, my drummer, Melvin Roody, and the one who played the
saxopotist was no longer all about the Kingdom. It was that swiet frame I
think of that swiety frame and say ay how good. Yeah. I'
m not like that because I don' t like those frames. I wouldn
' t want to live with that one. I like today' s one
better. And if you look at Christianity as in other positions in different parts
of the world, you realize that we see Christianity in a very different way.
If you go to the east of the world, it would seem that
you know a Jesus and a God much more to enjoy, to contemplate more
than to do and it is different in every country, in every culture.
I' m giving a little bit of parenthesis there for you to understand.
But I think I think, like the West. I think we' ve
been very focused on work. Yes so focused on the mission, that obviously,
there is a mission and if we have to fulfill it. But I
also believe that God is pleased when we take pleasure in him and in his
creation and in what he has given us, and I think that is very
nice what he is saying. I think learning to enjoy is the most enriching
and it gives you the length of days. That' s how it is,
it makes your life happy and it makes you enjoy yourself more. There
is a verse that, in fact, is a truth. The lord'
s waiter gives you new strength is a fact. Now it' s not
saying I' m doing my job any less seriously. Sure, sure,
sure nothing. I' m still very serious about what I do to what
I do not when I preach a message. It' s because I'
m very serious when I write a book, or an album or a master
class. I' m really serious about what I' m doing. But
on the way I have more fun. Sure, I enjoy more, I
enjoy more my friends, I enjoy more my family, I do more to
my wife. Sure, we laughed more than before. This one can enjoy
life why. For the joy of the Lord That is very good northaleza.
And you think you had a hard time finding a balance. You don'
t feel like you left from one end to the other, because I think
it' s something that' s happening to us right now. I mean,
it' s how we' re at the end of absolute fun and
I speak for myself. I' m the one who' s battling a
little bit more to find that balance. We' re not in the fun,
young people unwind them and play video games until dawn. And now I
sometimes get that frames of not going to the falls, because we came to
establish the Kingdom not in other words, since we started shepherding and like with
this delusion of persecution, I feel that everyone knows where we are and that
if we go to a restaurant, they know that we are there, etcetera.
And I' m going away to make it weird and I' m
going to the extreme of the seriousness of the job. It happened to you
the other way around, maybe so seriously. We have to be fun now
and brought that out of your life and how you did it to find a
balance. Walking in life is a constant balance adjustment, yes, it'
s going to be a never- ending story. Yeah, I' m
sixty- one and in a few weeks I' m sixty- two and
it' s constant. It' s the going and coming little by little,
that is, you learn to be on balance, living some clear imbalances.
And the lord. The beauty is that I have always had this conviction
that the Lord does not accompany Himself through His Holy Spirit. That is an
extraordinary gift that God gave us through the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit gives
you the Holy Spirit. Remember the Holy Spirit Te. He tells you,
uh, as happened to me the other day, they say confession is bad
for reputation, but good for the soul. No, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no. The other day I said something in a very light
conversation. Everyone was laughing and I said something like that everybody laughed after saying
it mmmm. And I felt in here and that wasn' t good That
' s not you, and I recognized the voice of the Sandlen Al spirit.
Another day I met with the person I had made that comment with.
I said hey you know what an apology tells me about what I said last
night in the conversation, because it was wrong that nothing. I did not
understand that you were joking perfectly, but the Holy Spirit verlified. That'
s so important to have that sensitivity. Yes, when the Holy Spirit takes
you away, yes, yes, that keeps you on balance. How important
not to impose what you said ahori also to put your convictions or your especially
your personal decisions on others in other people, because we are in a constant
style and loosen looking for this balance and maybe what you one day already signed
was a truth. Obviously, not speaking of the truth, of the unmovable
word. Let' s talk about grey things, about life, not where
there are tastes and cultures, etcetera. But how important it is not to
impose it on you, because then, maybe in a few years you'
re going to change your mind and you were so verbal with something, because
nothing happens, you' re going to have to apologize, but I think
we' ve all had to do it at some point. But how nice
to be able to celebrate others and even when you don' t agree with
something, as long as it' s not something like obviously sin to tell
me, well, I don' t agree, but I' m not
going to tell you. I condemn, I have disciples of mine who judge
me today for having changed some of those. Oh wow, so, people
that I formed, that I was close to their lives and today are upset
with me that I abandoned some of those ideas that for me were personal decisions,
but I spoke them so loudly at the time, that they embraced it
as for them, and now they rebuke me that I abandoned that position and
they didn' t do it their identity. Of course, I have no
problem with them having done their identity, but we would all have to do
an analysis of what are the things Mr Claro is really asking of us and
what are from our own harvest. Sure hears, and besides the theme of
secular music. There have been some other personal convictions or some other ideologies that
God has led you to change, which might become somewhat controversial or difficult to
digest for some people. Of course, for example, the first time I
went to Argentina was in one thousand nine hundred and ninety- three. And
I, Quimini, was born at the time that I saw it' s
ninety- five tee and I never forget when we went, we were with
all my band and on that tour they accompanied us. We all went up
on a bus for forty days. I don' t forget and we were
forty- so many people and the first day on the bus we went down
the road and we' re going to stop a pizza shop, because in
Argentina they serve rich and there' s good pizza. It was a long
table because we were forty- so many people, my musicians and we were
here this way about when the beer jars started to arrive. Look at that.
And I put the cry in heaven, who asked for this. I
didn' t know. It was my first trip out of Mexico. I
did not know that in other countries Christians take yes and I do not.
I remember that and I put the scream in the sky. And to justice,
all of you, don' t think of it. No And he
comes with me, one of the organizers who has later become one of my
best friends, named Humberto. Humberto says well Marcos. What happens is that
here, in Argentina, we don' t think, just like in some
ok YOUR conviction about it is your decision, yes, no, but your
respect for your brother is a decision. A ne Also then I had to
learn that not everyone thought the same. Of course I can still love them.
One hundred percent and being their friends and being their brothers, not that
they are still washed in the blood of the lamb, because that is not
my decision, it is a decision of them, not clear, and then
yes, there also I was as it cost me. It cost me a
lot, but I understood respect. That' s an example. There are
many other examples that have to do with doctrine. Okay. Many times there
are people who give their lives for their doctrine. My position may be different,
my thinking may be, but I can still love them, because it
must be remembered that the most important thing is that if people are covered in
blood. Well, that' s more like it. Well I love how
they put it, obviously, the word and many leaders who say no,
don' t curse what God through Jesus already sanctified. No, I mean,
they' re our brothers who can think differently, and now they can
' t get involved in social media fights. We all lose them. I
always say that they' re fighting We lose them all time. I don
' t think anyone gets to a point in the networking conversation that I already
won, that' s, I didn' t make it with his family.
I just won an argument with Marcos Witt end Installing horrible and I feel
so good here I don' t mean, at the end of everyone,
I always want to answer and always tells me I don' t answer,
not happy, but then he answers. I love her, you' re
her face. I' m the back to the clear and that' s
the sword. It' s okay, no, no, you don'
t go, but right now, you were talking about secular music and I
think it' s one of the most controversial issues for Christians. I'
m not laughing. I have a question ahead, forward, yes, and
speaking of that, that is, ok, who listens to me Marcos Güey,
we are connected or not. I' m intrigued. I didn'
t know that you didn' t listen to secular music for so many years.
I find it very nice, but it' s super respectable. So
many water. Not impossible for me, but not impossible. Obviously, I
understand and respect it and I like it. I' ve had my moments
where I' ve never paused so many times but to me my question is
how you inspired yourself musically. I know that maybe a little specific. My
question may be for those who create content, etcetera. But many times you
do find inspiration in different places. Yet yes, they are not necessarily worship,
but you find places in people' s expressions. Not creative art,
and obviously you take the good thing to leave the bad thing and you create
something of your own. But how you were inspired to write, to put
on production, that you were involved in a lot and you were a musical
spearhead, that is for years you are the referent, that is, you
have what amazing you created a specific sound. I think very few people achieve,
very few artists manage to create such an identifiable sound, and I think
it' s almost unreal for me to think that you didn' t listen
to music. Segular is amazing to me. In fact, I think it
' s nicer, but how did you inspire yourself to write, compose,
produce. That I have a lot of people to trade, but yes,
because there' s a phrase I want to give them. No, but
creativity inspires creativity, inspiration inspires clear inspiration, sounds strange, but it is
a fact. When I see someone else' s work of art, it
inspires me to certain things. The other day I went to a concert of
a very beloved and beloved singer named Lawren Dagle. I saw things on stage
that inspired me. Of course, I saw her actions that taught me inspiration,
motivation and inspiration. What was it that inspired me? Okay. I
listened to pure Christian music. I can tell you the names of all the
parents of Christian music. I had the honor of listening to the first cassettes.
Cassettes was a technology used by her grandmothers and great- grandmothers. It
was a little plastic thing with a tape rolled up. I had the privilege
of listening to some of the first cassettes. You' re ready for adoration
and live praise Wow, where someone while we worshiped, stung records and recorded.
The first one he pulled out. The first institution that released an already
live adoration and avalanche album. It was a school saw that it' s
called Christ for the nations Oh Wow, based in Dallas, tex They were
the first to sting record because it was going through a worship movement After them
started a company called Interrit and Music, which were for years. They already
made it a lot more professional, but it was my turn to listen to
their very first and listen I was fourteen years old. That was in the
last century and to be inspired and felt the presence of the lord putting a
cassette and worshiping Mr Solitus in my room. That caused me a lot of
things, not many of the songs of creativity that were going on. It
was my time to be at the piano worshipping Mr Hours. But I can
' t discredit Andrey Crouch, Rus Taff Scramble Chuptur or hear those names.
That name is very long, but if you go back to the exact chatter
up story, the chapters were Genius wow or Chuppert Love are feeling Amy Granty,
then Michael Jackus clear. Of course, they were sweet compret Bent,
Brian Duncan, people who had a huge influence on my life. No and
I learned a lot from them and also from worshiping alone on my piano at
two o' clock in the morning with the headphones on composing songs that today
sing them around the museum. Yeah, that' s the beautiful thing.
I think at the moment you don' t know you' re living.
I didn' t know a whole I don' t know a divine moment
or a golden year in our life. But that' s important to enjoy
the moment. Although it' s like marking the history of music, of
Christian music, you never realize it. I mean, I think it'
s until in hindsight you see that, because at that moment it changed leave
you port a story. In a thousand nine hundred and eighty- six,
I had been commissioned to write a song for the youth camp. In June
or July of the eighty- six, I was newly married, Miriam and
I had three months married. I woke up that morning. Today the camp
begins and I have not composed anything and I am not. This is in
front of Mr Les. I' m telling a true story. I'
m in the shower. Father Dame, a song please and suddenly boom you.
I hear the voice of the Holy Spirit singing to me ok I dry
quickly, I run to my electric pianito and there is born yesterday Eddy renue
o. Yes, Lord Jesus, one thousand nine hundred and eighty- six,
in the shower, did not know at that time that that song would
turn the world around. They sing it in French, English, Italian,
Japanese, German wauso wow. I listened to him in all those languages.
I didn' t know that would also be the first song I' d
write in a shower. I have a whole list of songs I wrote.
It was an album called garan song Hey. I loved that story because ah
sorry to go too much forgiveness. I want you to have a dynamic.
I have a dynamic for you artists. I don' t think I'
m too bad for these things. You think there are songs coming, there
are songs you have to find as treasures hidden in the earth. There are
digs and digs and you find a little bit and you find it more like
a fossil not that they are dusting and then there are songs that suddenly arrive
whole in your hands. Light a light three wow, God of covenants,
boom You came my wash wow yes, hear in the nations ay boom Me
came so supernatural over natural is all I had or battles more with evil that
six- month battle for that are my goons. All right. The creative
process has no formulas. It' s not daily discipline, look at ah
and point out that golden tube is that you want everything to be inspiring,
you want ah to write a good song, I have to be in the
Swiss Alps. Ah, well, that helps, that' s it.
That' s obviously not that delayed effect. I mean, it' s
not like ok at the time you' re gonna get the song, but
that' s not gonna have the resources to be in an inspiring place and
God wants to use you with what you have where you are. To make
a difference, you need to have all the money in the world or the
best producer. I mean. I believe there is a new generation that God
is raising right now. We were talking about the Z generation and now we
' re going to get more into that subject, but I think great artists
are going to get up that God wants to use in their room with his
sweet little computer chafa to make songs that are going to go around the world.
So did I, at four o' clock in the morning, woke
up when I broke my ankles. I spent months in bed with incredible pain
and at about three or four in the morning, the effect of the pain
medication was gone and I woke up with awesome pain and I didn' t
wake Miriam because she was so tired that she was helping me. I was
unbelievable, but I was literally depending on her on everything. And that time
of morning, four in the morning, lying in my bed, comes to
see me with tambourine, and we see it with psaltery and grab. The
original recording is very, very, very painful voice of your ultra. Tomb
in the middle of the pain, in the middle of the night, lying
down my bed, without a computer, without a keyboard, Without there,
God, you can give away a song. WOW. It' s a
matter of tuning in. It' s like when we tune in to a
radio station. The holy spirit is singing at all times. Tune it in
and you' ll get the songs. I love that and look here to
see. I have a so to each and I know if we have as
an instrument. That' s where they can use it, but yeah,
that' s a good one. Okay, there you go, and now
John' s gonna help us whip this, because this piece of opo güey
content, this piece of content is gonna be brilliant. They' re gonna
grab two little papers that are there and you' re gonna be there and
with those two words they' re gonna write a song. Oh, they
' re gonna write and I love you. Let' s see, let
' s see who' s there. Panny reacts inside. It' s
going to be Marcos whit versus kill Richards, a musical composition challenge using only
two words. Obviously megan ay ay ay ay. We don' t know,
you don' t know. Very good. People are going to decide.
And people like that, people are going to say yes, that'
s where we' re going to give you a guitar. Ah look here
comes the guitar and comes the guitar? You put very easy in Jerusalem screams
to me the two who touched me was scream aha jerusal sounds a light bolt
says oh, Jerusalem sounds just taeres cents of gold sea of Crystal. I
grew up singing look there comes the guitar and throw me the guitar, but
I gray Jerusalem, scream and jerusano and there I quimi will help you holding
the microphone. Yes, sir, I think so. If we' re
going to talk about screaming and Jerusalem has to be a minor, the youngest.
Sure, uh, there' s a psalm that says, and they
' ll come with shouts of joy. Go to the house of the Lord
on the mountain of the Lord where the Lord was in Jerusalem. There'
s me I can' t compete against this. Let us not go up
to the house of God, the house of God with shouts of joy and
its abuser, the House of God in Jerusalem In, we will worship with
shouts of jubilation, grace, scream out. That' s how I liked
the hard way you use it that you' re going to want piano or
guitar. Uh, so guitar. I guess it' s practical. Let
' s keep it practical and see what words. I' m with him.
It' s his turn, I' ve caught two, but ah
you' re cheating. No. I don' t remember the two that
even came out of me and I say you want to get another one.
Yeah, another one at a glance cheated more or less or cheated, but
I might get worse. I mean, I don' t know these anymore.
That' s two new words for real woman. Good thing it was
you and not me, and then what the fuck? Okay, who wrote
this. I want to know nabuco wasn' t chorti buco, yeah,
you know what he hears. But if I have never heard a music,
a song of worship with nabucodonosor is not that there was lack. I didn
' t ask for what to say it didn' t do and I don
' t remember if it was the Nabu, Nabu was the Nabo, Nabu
wasn' t the Sor, if it was the one who wanted to put
them in the firebender, yes, Ok no Oh, he put them in,
well, he did, but he also wanted the truth, I mean,
he didn' t unintentionally put them in wow Ok. But then woman
and woman m mm interesting father in the name of Jesus and he was an
urban song. Look at this or I think it' s gonna be like
Indie m Folt and potin ay Ok. There he goes, I' m
the woman with the mouth, and I' m a witness to her faithfulness.
I saw three men the uncle, but four came out, Bravo,
but it came out clear wat and one was Mr So Bravo, Bravo,
fourth was Mr Donousy Rana, son of the Devil. But, you know,
it' s sticky. Not everyone hears, nabuugo or I was doing
the second. I wanted to make you, Right now, yours, but
I was surprised by your sharps. I said ay ya, I can go.
I like that. Nebuchadnezzar is the perfect example that God uses even the
Devil’ s children. Luz the cha and he used Nebuchadnezzar. It is
a song like the wife of Nebuchadnezzar who saw it and his wife must have
seen it all my mad husband made a hand with whom I married mint.
If you' re asking that. Several races are the two words that came
out to me hear, not something interesting. About composition. Transicinating, I
remember that when I started composing, because this is podcast, it' s
not about me, but a little parenthesis. When I started composing, because
it was very abrupt, they give me a heart. He' d had
five years, good track, very good songs, very good songs. And
then it' s how it' s worth you getting to that level.
And I' ve never written anything. And I mean, yeah, but
nothing. Nothing that I had composed had ever been published. The point is
I started reading books, I started practicing what you say is a discipline.
I believe it with all my heart and I remember learning a brilliant exercise and
I loved it and it was about like the five senses, but you add
two more, the taste, the smell view, the touch that I lack.
Heard this in your ear and then you add the kinesthetic, which is
like what' s happening around you, for example. And the fourth rumbled.
And so, that' s also a sense, but it' s
not and then it' s, I think I don' t remember the
other name, but it was basically like the inner one that and it turned
my stomach, for example, which is a sense. But then they put
you writing ten minutes about an object, whatever aubject riding is called, and
you have to write ten minutes about that thing using the seven senses. Then
it forces you if you' re talking about a bottle of water, it
forces you to talk about its texture, its position, and things come out
so weird, but they stimulate creativity so much. I mean, I started
writing as if you were the table that held the bottle and the perception,
I mean, I put you like it was very good exercise of creativity to
be able to think about the different perspectives, and I think it paints you
a very very clear picture, that is, if we talk about the Cross,
what they smell, that is what was heard like in people' s
whispers, maybe it was like what was happening around. That' s really
where I did the Bible. But there are things that we can add with
our creativity to tell one more story and what songs came out after this exercise.
Well, the first I wrote on Earth did it on earth Well,
it wasn' t the first. We' re not going here We'
re going to finish. This is the first heaven. That was not the
first veneer left was the first that I, at composition level, has a
lot of depth. It' s just that that, that composition, it
' s a maes play. Thank you very much. They helped me.
I mean, I made it like the skeleton and I helped it so they
could. The bridge did it. It was the ones who did what they
did. The song is a masterpiece. Thank you. That game of heaven
on earth, the earth adores you is so amazing the creativity behind it,
the thought behind it, that' s something I find now. Welcome to
Marcos Güeyes podcast. I love one of the things I love about the music
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brains, he' s got thinking, I mean, they' re thinking.
They are. The other day I heard a song called in memory of
you has thought. He' s using words and letters that aren' t
so common that I love it is that I congratulate them and commission them.
What you just said about that, about seeing the truth, about writing a
song from the perspective of this table or this plant. If it doesn'
t have to be a song, it can be a writing, that is,
writing n thought. But help with the compassion for one of the songs
that struck me most when I was very small, long ago sans santans,
it was a song that was written from the perspective of the tree. They
cut into the forest, which ended up being the three cuz crucis in the
ordeal. Yeah, wow. I don' t know. For example,
that is prospective, clear and the tree is being cut and he and the
song said I had the desire to be a great boat, wow, to
be a great house or maybe a great desk, of a great thinker or
the door of one but I was not the salvation of humanity. Wow,
wow, oh, what a thought. No. And the other day I
was listening to a song that the whole choir said MM and eye yaye,
and I see already And I see who they composed and they were seven composers.
That' s serious. That' s what the start took. You
know, I think another day is missing. Friends, you' re already
feeling it on your creative board. No, you can' t We missed
another one after the second. Yeah, and that' s my credit.
Please give me my split please to the wedding. We don' t talk
about splias, don' t worry or memory of you That' s Kevin
' s idea. You don' t even have to know him. He
' s brilliant composer, especially musically. I mean, it' s the
melody and everything makes a good team. But I think there' s the
magic like collaboration. Perhaps not among seven just or aya, but I do
believe that if you are humble enough to say, I am willing to give
up clearly. I have an experience. I wrote a song that I thought
ah this is wonderful and in those years I worked very closely with a composer
named Juan Salinas, and Juan arrived at the office. He had an office
in front of mine and arrived that morning and Juan Juan. I want to
play this song and play this song when he finished his answer. It'
s okay, it' s not the best song you' ve ever written
on your video. Or Juan is too dry, he doesn' t care
what people think of him. Then say whatever you want. I already liked
him. Juan, yes, incredible. He went to his office and I
went to my office. I closed the door, but boom gave him a
door and I was upset. I was thirty- one, thirty- two
years old. I was someone else back then and then, when I'
m out there throwing fumarola, I' m upset. No, and all
of a sudden I hear the sweet voice of the Holy Spirit and he said
to me like that that' s how they' re going to make the
frames. I and the lord told me to say, you preferred to bother
you to ask Juan why waw That was not the best song and then I
humble myself, I wake up open my door, güey I touch behind Juan
come tell me why and he told me look at this, this chord the
hook, this one is very good, but this maybe you can change it
and we work for about half an hour and are ready to know what was
the song that came out there is beautiful you are my lord Wow beautiful you
are your beloved my woo ok. If I had insisted that I wasn'
t going to be correct and I wasn' t going to collaborate on that
song, it wouldn' t have been good millions and millions. That'
s what you did when you said to collaborate. That' s one of
my most favorite ways and it' s amazing and I think it speaks a
lot about one side of the artist, of which you don' t talk
enough, which is the side of humility and collaboration. I have never been
in a creative workshop where, in addition to teaching you how to compose,
they teach you how to collaborate or teach you how to face feedback on your
creative ideas. And I think that limits that a lot to a whole generation
of creatives who are lonely callers and who, if they could collaborate, would
have or could go much further. Now, speaking of which, you are
very dear, not only within Christians, but also Catholics, also many people
who do not perhaps identify with any belief, in particular, many people know
so to call you I love you very much. Was there never such an
opportunity, perhaps to collaborate with some non- Christian artist or even you,
to make crossover music that was not merely Christian? And if that opportunity existed,
what did you decide? And why did you decide? Like this?
See yes, yes, Michael Jackson, here I understood long, long ago
after my call my mantle, my authority is in the believing Christ world.
Of course I like it. It obviously includes Catholics and a lot of believers,
people who believe in Jesus Christ and who follow Jesus Christ the respect and
admiration that I have reaped from the world that are not Christ believers or that
are dedicated to another guy in the world of music forgiveness. I' ll
be surprised. It' s not something I expected, but I' m
located. Yes, then, once only one time he collaborated with a group
that is not dedicated to Christian music and it was because the main singer of
that group lost his mother and the other principal lost his father and a God
used me at that time. They both live in that group is the Houstor
and we both had a friendship of many years and when I knew that their
father and their mother had died, I spoke to them on the phone and
God used me to comfort them. And in one of those he' ll
invite me to his studio and they call me Marcos, we' re doing
a duet song. You won' t have a song. I told him.
I have a song that I composed when he died, my dad died,
and since they were still in mourning and processing their parents' departure,
I played that song saying goodbye to them how difficult it makes you entrust to
God. It has always been my baby when I saw you smiling there what
I felt is very difficult to write to say to God, for God'
s sake, how difficult it is to make that song. I composed it
after I was there with my dad saying goodbye to him. He was still
warm when I put his hand on his chest, when he played this song
to them and Armando are called they turned, ma' am, Marcos tells
me, you couldn' t sing it with us in the album. Of
course I did, well, you heard the review. Listen to the beautiful
story. He scrapes this and then people history. And it is also an
example of how God can use clear music to manage people who are not necessarily
close to God. But that God loves you anyway and questions want you to
evangelize or not, Or of course it seems like the first attempt of some
kind of evangelism through art. I don' t want it. What you
call they were telling you, that was the most frequent criticism there. Maybe
it' s for the group. The group is called the mafia group.
Maybe that' s why people criticized me so much. Well, I love
those kids who are looking at me right now, I love them very much,
gossip, no, they don' t have anything I love very much.
And and his music is very sung and very clear, by very clear
gossip. Imagine everything in hundreds of tens of thousands of people and at every
turn. No. But for me it was very beautiful the moment where a
song that God gave to me by my dad I, then that song I
recorded on my album, on your album Yes and I will say clearly yes,
yes, yes, but I loved collaborating with the band the mafia,
although many noble people do not hear by name. They thought something was a
non- Christian music group. There they sing to so many other things.
Yeah, but they' re totally people. We can' t take the
courage away from people. And something I think I once saw a video where
you' re like coming out of a concert and you' re getting into
a car and a person is yelling at you that you' re ecumenical or
something, you' re crissing. You went to sing about it. I
wanted to speak yes, because lately, in this last season, in our
life, we have learned a lot and learned to value many of the practices
and traditions that come from Catholicism that, following the reformation and divorce between the
churches, I dare say we have lost some valuable things and within that,
not obviously, not everything was ideal. That is why there had to be
a reformation, which would not be bad if there was a reformation in our
churches today. But it' s another subject for another day, special in
America. But the point is, why do you think so many people find
it hard to assimilate that Catholicism has valuable things and that we might come to
collaborate with our Catholic brothers to accomplish interesting things. Part of the problem is
the extreme persecution that the Catholic Church has endured over hundreds of years against all
of us who are not fourteen. Of course, that beneficent Catholic is not
blood shed including that of my father or biological girl, that is, even
if, for the inquisition and all that blood shed in the name of God,
then there is this rejection. That' s not true. The second
part, which is very complicated, is veneration. They use the word veneration
because he ends up being cousin brother of the Idolatri to the saints, to
the virgins, to the images. That for us evangelicals, practices, not
very complicated and forbidden, because we are clear about it. The Bible,
don' t bend your knee, not one hundred percent eyes, ninety ears.
No, because those are the two main ones there. The tremendous persecution
there has been and the veneration. And then there you can go to the
transubstantiation that they claim that the host of the host is he becomes the body
to body. So all that stuff is already a lot, but we have
a lot of ground to go through. But if we' re rowing against
it, as you saw it in this person' s video, so annoying,
she' s very upset saying why you went to sing to Tical I
said that' s the wrong question. Wow, ask me, ask me,
and I took a long time to calm him down. Ask me first
once you went to sing to the Vatican and did it once you went to
sing to the Bancano. No, that' s where you' d have
to start. Bros. I was never confusing you or not. I'
m Alex Campos or I know if the other podcast and we talked about it
I' ve never forgotten WOW' s confused face. Let' s talk
about one thing. Let' s talk about this for a second, because
already the nervous producer that we already have to finish. No. No.
How is it possible that Christians are so quick to embrace Lie, uy,
uy, uy. How it is possible that after thirty- eight years I
will not forgive forty- two years of ministry, thirty- eight of which
we are recording music of praise to Jesus Christ. They still believe that I
am not a follower of Jesus Christ. How is it possible that they see
something on Facebook and believe it before the years of fruit that my Ministry has
given. Sure, that' s the part I don' t understand.
Or why we' re so open to embracing any gossip, any lies.
Please, that' s enough and that' s all you hear, but
why did you go to the Vatican and nothing you don' t talk about
anymore, but already speaking in SERIAAA. No, I mean, if you
' re father to God' s fruit in your life, but the Vatican
thing and you put your card on backwards. Yes, she' s the
poor ricky martin' s wedding ejmulus. The ball comes because you went after
the Vatican on the way to Rica' s wedding. Yay that day I
' m Miriam, and I Miriam and I were in Tijuana when suddenly he
comes up with me, my assistant and tells me look what they just published
and I read and I enchilo me molex clear how it' s possible makes
him laugh or wife, to milia I love her because she is one of
these women who have affected him what people say it thinks, of course,
that has been a blessing. Of course not, and he tells me why
you' re so upset about how they might invent these batteries are all lies
and he tells me, but you married them clearly don' t laugh,
he doesn' t say the word that the truth makes you free margos and
I don' t know you, but how they invent that, because it
' s also like the price off. I don' t mean, I
think all the good things that come with a career of so many years can
' t come without it' s obviously bitter, criticism, lying, gossip,
never defamation, not something we talked about in the episode. It happens
you were with us. But to land this episode, this plane, I
' d like to ask you what keeps exciting you. I mean, you
' ve already hunted ricky Martegar, but you' ve done so many things,
no, I mean, but speaking of things that are true, you
don' t share the mafia. Obviously you' ve already been to stadiums
and won grammys and you' ve obviously managed to build a beautiful family and
sent your children to move on with their jobs and their ministries and their families.
Why go ahead, that is, what keeps getting you excited, what
you need to do and what you think is the future of Christian music,
that is, what makes you a father and what makes you dangerous that you
are seeing. I' d like a little wisdom there from you as one
of the pioneers. I' m going to tell you a couple of things
that excite me. Ok Jeck Gready, see here my Richards on stage with
Michael daviw Smith singing in Mexico City with 20, 000 and there are so
many people at the Frank Graham festival and I was beside the monitors with tears
in the others, in the eyes. That excites me to see it.
I' ve got to go You made the rabbit, yes, it was
very pre- you want, but it' s very special. You stood
there and you did your thing and I mean, and I' m excited
about why. Because you represent this generation, you represent what' s new
coming. And Michael and I, Michael lews Smith and I are the cool
dads Michael, he' s older than me and see that expression of generations,
I' m right now with the wave of generations. Okay, that
was exciting. That' s where they' re going to be in the
San Marcos honey crypto, already at that event they had last year in Los
Angeles, California, where I sang renews me and sang one called coritos yes
gosa. That' s coming back. It' s not coming back my
whole life dedicated to composing songs to stop singing that and we' re going
back to ok there' s a wave like this half of Hebrew coming back
eh, but I loved being there. It was four and a half hours.
I told the morals, the honeys, I said how they put up
with more and it takes me at four or fifteen. My knees used to
call me here. He can' t be an old man, but I
cried I didn' t cry I danced I knelt. It was an impression,
because I prayed my whole life to see that and thousands in a sand
gathered singing to advance. Those things are the ones that excite me. Two
days ago, a couple of days ago, a video and song came out
with a young Argentine named Matthew Hotton, which was an impressive song. I
' m excited to make that guy, so I' m about to make
an album. Nobody knows about this. I am making an album with ten
completely new voices and it has to do with this wave of generations, already
because it says thirty- one jeremías, thirteen, that the young and the
old together we will save Mr That excites me. What I see that comes
with Christian music, especially in Spanish music, which is where I consider myself
an expert, I consider myself a connoisseur. Of course, I do not
know so much what is happening in the world of Christian music in English,
of course, I know that a lot is happening, but in the world
of music in Spanish, very excited. When I listen to you, when
I listen to your brother, Steven Pinchan, when I listen to this young
Matthew Hotton, who composed a masterful song. When I hear some of these
young people from Monte Santo de Hoy, incredible song just came out of Jshua
Jamasha' s. I mean, it' s super different to what I
' m used to. No, I mean, we' re not so
into the Pentecost wave. There was all one stream very yes. I also
get it back and the way they did it to me became brilliant. When
I hear people the way they' ll be there, it' s clear.
When I hear people like ale Fernández, yes, and then some of
these new exponents, when I hear my granddaughter mother, yes, this girl
is going to be yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. His generation is
only sixteen years old, but he sings. You have an impressive imagination.
That excites me and this old man can go to heaven knowing what is left
in good hands, what God is doing in this generation. Thank you very
much there. But I' d like to know because obviously, that'
s what you see. Yes, yes, yes, yes, it feels
nice, but what worries you, because I feel that there is one thing
that I respect very much about You and many of the great pioneers of Christian
music in Spanish, is that most, if not all, were founded in
a local church. That' s very interfering in a local church. As
pastors, you' ve been pastoring and involved with local church for many years
and now and I' m going to what I' m going to say
is controversial and it doesn' t matter, but I wonder what people'
s favorite Christian artists do on Sunday mornings? That' s the question that
I sometimes got made your favorite critia artists on Sunday mornings? And if the
answer isn' t like being grounded or seeing one with people who don'
t idolize them, that' s the father of a congregation, that'
s the father with people who are going to say it. You have the
problem that you' re not frames, you' re the pastor, Pastor,
and it' s that my master is bre pastor yabrar is pretty then
what you see that that could r There are a couple of things and that
' s definitely one of them. If we are not devoting ourselves to building
the eye church, then we are not collaborating with what Jesus is doing,
because he said I will build my church a hundred percent. He did not
say I will build my ministry for Ecclesiastical. I am director of a ministry
for ecclesiastics called institute your song. They know what one of our definitions is
in DNA and we live to serve the local churches very good, we are
church people. It has to be to collaborate with Jesus. It is to
do what he is doing, what he is doing, He is building up
his Church. And the only way to be part of building your church is
to be part of the church. One hundred percent. I' m serious.
Yes, by the way, you don' t believe me in every
year when I and Miriam were pastoring there in Leycool for ten years I was
coming back and sometimes it was schedules and flight itineraries that I came up dragging
cats to the platform, but I was in my church. Because we'
re from church. That' s where the second concern goes. There are
some dislocated is serious and the and the word I' m using it with
property. Des Locateds who have no more than a hundred followers and are already
asking for first- class tickets, are asking for suites, hotels, are
seeing fees of I don' t know what you, no, don'
t locate, ubigate, pay floor price, yes, pay your what'
s called a thousand eight right so yes, yes, we were all.
I stayed in brothers' houses where we slept in a decent one. Oh,
better. I don' t say the name of the city, in
the city very much in southern Mexico. Not a friend from there, but
he' s a friend from there that' s my band and I were
on the floor in tsarapes there were no tsarapes beds and a bed and he
started passing by a black scorpion, big guy, ay dad, don'
t hear, but make your floor. That' s emotional. I didn
' t say city in a room either. We were like five men and
women mixed all five in a room and there were two mattresses and it was,
then, to see how you do it. It was awesome. I
remember that you know because they let me sleep in bed, of course,
but it was was integrated I liked a teenage camp. I can' t
believe you' re saying use me, sir, as long as I go
first class, as long as you don' t. Yeah, and I
think when you' re called to that, even if you' re in
tsarapes on the floor, you' re gonna be having a remote time,
I mean, maybe you' re not gonna be out loud, but you
' re gonna find the purpose of the energy to get ahead. I remember.
Once I went to a place called Cuuspana Tabasco. I was starting to
preach to you and I was told we were staying in a motel. Yeah,
but in a motel. It' s been my turn, but in
a motel of those who use to have estero, it' s on sale.
For now I don' t know if you' ve heard the story
of Hosea and her husband, his wife. Then it was a wave,
it was like a half a whorehouse, of course. Then I remember that
we arrived and it was the brothers of the Church and God Neta are putting
us here and I remember that we were like some musicians and another shepherd of
young people and I remember that it is up to the shepherd of young people
and me in the same room and we came to only one bed and had
some towels in the shape of heart the bed and then in a small plate
in bed, some condoms. Oh, that' s it. I was
saying where I can believe we' re gonna spend the amazing night here,
and that' s obviously what you' re saying. It' s putting
ten thousand hours in it, it' s getting you that floor right that
I think that' s called authority. Not at the end of the day
will anyone come to tell you what it is to make a sacrifice or what
it is to have a passion for the Kingdom, because you have seen it
for many years. You don' t go there, you get involved in
your Church, be humble, serve and give your tithes. You know what?
I mean, my Kim and I are laughing here, because you have
to understand this. Obviously, music is a profitable career, if God wants
it, if you do well, but many times, right now, don
' t forget that you don' t get well. It' s just,
but since we don' t live in church. It is the people
of the church say ah well not clear, for for what ten and to
me the same are not for the shepherds. They are to make the king
establish us in the city. Not then tomorrow you swim related, tomorrow you
throw that phrase. I was going to say a pe Obviously, I agree
100% with everything you said about winning your apartment right. But, well,
more so, I feel like I should say it. Many times bands
ask for fees, because the people who travel, are leaving their job,
are losing. So if you have a family and sometimes the bigger the band,
then the bigger the ronary because or not, no, no, no,
no, not the bigger the honorarium, because you have to pay your
musicians. But then you also see extremes of people who don' t understand
the concept of so, of a production and what you' re going to
charge a ticket for the concert Wit frames, how it is or the other
is you. I think what you meant by this important little parenthesis, but
never lose the heart of service. I do God. I challenge myself a
lot recently because although I am young, I started well small, I started
well funny, I have almost twenty years of musical career. Hey, you
' re like the Miley Cyrus of the Christian world. I mean, if
we don' t take care of Chiles. I don' t know if
they saw the Nickelowrion documentary that just came out. But if I don'
t know, if you saw Amanda Vines, we have to take care of
you so that you end up fine. That replica. That doesn' t
apply, but you started very small, I started very small, but very
small. Obviously, it was very different. I mean, what I was
going for was that even though I started as I started a girl, I
' m on more track. What people imagine they see me and it'
s like you don' t know if it' s too morrilla, but
I do know something and I don' t know what I was going to
say anymore. No, I know. She was going to that many times
we fulfilled and those who invited us did not comply. Oh, that'
s it. That was totally and that' s very difficult, because you,
as you say, leader manager, have to provide for the people you
' re inviting to do part, and it' s horrible not being able
to, not be able to give them anything or give them something that you
know is not the same as the pay I would have earned if you only
knew ceased, if I had stayed home. But, on the other hand,
what you' re saying I just loved God recently I challenge myself about
how never losing sounds pretty basic. But don' t forget the ministry that
God has entrusted to you, because God didn' t call me to sing.
Singing is the tool you gave me to run the Orto Ministry. But
God has obviously given me the Ministry of evangelizing, of making disciples of that.
But God gives us gifts and gives us also specific calls within the general
call, which is to serve Jesus and call people and worship him. And
lately I' ve been like exercising those different gifts and it' s like
it' s super uncomfortable for me, but we have, but it'
s very nice. We have tried to make it count, that is,
that every city that we are going to meet with pastors and have a time
of administration, we begin to see that because we feel that there is a
saffeta for a next generation. It' s because I' ve seen you
do it. If you do it there, even my parents were benefited managed.
Maybe you didn' t even know not what people are in that room
and what it was going to end up in and now we, for us
is not only the concert at night but in the mornings I ask is part
of the requirement to rent a place and join the pastors of the city.
If only young people want to come because adults don' t want to listen
to me, I don' t care, because they are the future.
Then let us give it and many are already present in their congregations and also
have some kind of social support for the city, the temos. No.
Then. That' s the challenge coming. But, Right now, you
' re saying something about generosity, if artists also have to practice, not
exactly. No. We can' t ask people to do something we'
re not willing to do. I can' t, as a pastor,
ask people 100% to bring their tithes to the house to the lord if
I' m not doing it. I' m 100%. And the
other part we talked about briefly is that many times we go rather well.
I never forget how many times I came to my house, my wife asked
me and how much I touched you for offering nothing, I never forget once
she tells me she laughs ja and as half it is so fresh to me.
He turned around. He returned to the cooking cause, saying as he
walked toward the thing that is incredible, that you have so many years in
the ministry and it still happens to you that they don' t give you
an offering, that he gives. That' s like a rookie thing if
you wouldn' t think. No. But many years ago and this is
it was passed on to you at cost and to those who are seeing us,
who are ministries, singers bands, they were passed on at cost many
years ago I understood that going and singing and doing concerts was not my provider.
M my provider is still Jehovah, who made the heavens and the fool
will raise my eyes to the amounts from which my provision comes. Look at
Jehovah. The life of my preaching doesn' t come from my concerts.
Well it comes from Jehovah. Then, as Kimmi said, God uses my
voice, my preaching to bring sustenance to my house. But when that sustenance
does not come, God knows my needs something before me and he will take
care of it a month. Well, don' t start fighting amen why
don' t you, no, no, don' t let the lord
fight for you? Because if you' re fighting, God can' t
fight for you, let me fight for you? What' s the rarest
offering you' ve ever had. They' ve never given you an offering
like in kind, instead of condile to me once they gave me some cans
as well as food, No Perez. The funniest offering I' ve ever
received in my life was from a sister in you, Joan. Never forget
the name father, he' s brother. This is your offering of love.
There' s more love than offering, but there he goes. I
loved that very raman and less mame menga. And that' s so good.
It' s good because sometimes I get like little girls' things and
some so interesting. That' s what I' m gonna say. Sometimes
they draw you with a lot of love, yes, but then they happen
to you, as happened to me in Torreón covide with a great man of
God who is already in heaven, his name was Fernando Fuentes, who suddenly
took me the offering, I gave it to myself the room of the hotel
and opened the envelope I felt quite fat, the sun tea. I'
m talking about the year nine hundred and eighty- seven. Wow, I
opened up and there was four thousand dollars, and I went four thousand dollars.
There are so many of them today. Yes, of course, those
years were, and at a time when I was just beginning, we were
waiting for Elena, our daughter, she was so cool. I spoke to
him on the phone because I did the praise in a crusade of Alberto Motes
that he organized in the city of Torreón. Fernando spoke to him It seems
to me that they were confused of offering why marks is that you gave me
an envelope that has four thousand do. That' s probably what you thought
you' d give Brother Alberto. That' s not what I want to
put in your hands. Wow. This is the offering that God placed in
my heart to give to you and the saying. But Fernando and I have
never received such a big ode to my life and he told me you want
to return it to me, hahahahahaha, because here, here he receives it.
How can I explain with that offering? We bought my daughter' s
bedroom. We put some cortinitas with that offering and to this day, when
I see Fer Chico, his last, who is now the pastor of the
church, always honors his father because it was the first significant Wau offering that
I received in my entire life. You don' t forget those either.
Remember. The Lord is our time provider and will provide you through the good
Pondright sources, from the most unexpected sources. I love it, says the
Bible, that seeking God’ s Kingdom first is his righteousness and everything else
takes its place. Not then. I believe that many of us who have
started in a line of work and then God calls us ministry, have gone
through that fear of hejole, that is, I was better off in my
work before, how it will provide Now, God is calling me to the
pastorate. God is calling me to serve him in a capacity. He takes
care of it, he takes care of it. Hey, you do the
best you can. And so, well, we' re already at the
end of this episode. My love, no, thank you, you'
re going to have to split it in two. This was so long.
That' s not how people like it, because, yeah, we'
re going to upload the part of the song on our own, because that
' s going to work pretty well. That' s where I want to
do it again, because I didn' t like it. It was really
good. A magic of him is always that they always end up mocking each
other. Now we' re going to have dinner with Mark, yeah,
we' re going to keep enjoying life, we' re going to build
the temple, we' re going to build a few rooms for the temple.
Right. So, thank you for being a part of this season.
Theo Podcast number seven. Episode one. We have a lot of surprises.
See you. Thank you Maximo episode, Thank you Mark, or thank you
for always pushing us and to open our way to share your platform of what
God has given you and I am sure that a heart would not be the
same. Yeah, totally favorite, totally. It' s an honor.
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