1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,759 Oh, what? Tal? The pil lovers how they are. I' 2 00:00:03,799 --> 00:00:10,039 m so glad to see you today sapphire how you are. S Fund, 3 00:00:10,199 --> 00:00:15,480 fine, fine, chen and you' re fine. I' m a 4 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:21,480 little depressed, lowkey, I' m lokey the Press, but I' 5 00:00:21,519 --> 00:00:27,239 m very happy because today we have a new episode with a great guest, 6 00:00:27,239 --> 00:00:32,200 depressed but blessed. That' s like the theme of non- depressed jenzey. 7 00:00:32,439 --> 00:00:36,640 But I do have another teacher today if one job, but winning the 8 00:00:36,679 --> 00:00:40,560 one below. True, that' s the generation of I mean, those 9 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:46,039 are a genzin anatiall no sorry, you already offended them and barely did. 10 00:00:46,759 --> 00:00:51,960 Today we have a great guest who is not jensey is not boomer. It 11 00:00:52,079 --> 00:00:56,600 ' s boomer already and the truth is we had an amazing time with the 12 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,240 funniest boomers. Yes, the truth, in my opinion, brilliant, talented 13 00:01:00,359 --> 00:01:07,239 and humble that I have known and it is a privilege to be able to 14 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:11,439 record this episode and present it to you today with our great friend Marcos Marcus 15 00:01:11,439 --> 00:01:15,239 Wir Marcuswit and Te. I want to remember that the entire season number seven 16 00:01:15,599 --> 00:01:23,599 of the heartbeat is sponsored by Baja Inneers. This company of super affordable Eneers 17 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:29,599 in terms of price. They have lots of colors and, moreover, very 18 00:01:29,599 --> 00:01:34,159 very, very cheap prices. 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If you want there to 28 00:02:15,879 --> 00:02:23,080 be an inner special edition of the heartbeat, see the Instagram page below and 29 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:27,400 put it out of work, but winning the one below, they won' 30 00:02:27,439 --> 00:02:30,680 t know what' s going on. But we' re going to have 31 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,960 fun, so without saying we leave them with the second episode has to be 32 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,520 something that Lana goes up Lana goes down, something like that, something low. 33 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:45,199 There yes, chanse for the next cha, the next Soundward or Ok, 34 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,439 not so, for the next episode, But without more than saying we 35 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:53,360 leave them with episode two of the seventh season of the Podcast tea with Marcos 36 00:02:53,479 --> 00:03:25,159 Wit or Chao Ay how about latilovers. Welcome to this, which is the 37 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:32,319 most important podcast in human history. Season number seven. If you are a 38 00:03:32,439 --> 00:03:38,120 Christian, you know that number seven is an important number for believers. OK 39 00:03:38,719 --> 00:03:43,840 and as it is season seven episode one, we have a luxury guest with 40 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:49,560 us today in Uncle Podcast' s studio we have our great friend Marcos I 41 00:03:49,680 --> 00:04:00,599 jam Marcos How you are super super r seven means the number of that was 42 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:06,360 completed, the number of perfection, if it is the closing of a cycle, 43 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:13,879 because the eight you are ready the number of new beginnings. Or so, 44 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:19,160 the seven is biblically the number of perfection in seven days. God compared 45 00:04:19,319 --> 00:04:25,199 with all creation or on the eighth day a new beginning. That already excites 46 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:29,480 me, because then it means it was going to be the perfect podcast season. 47 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:33,040 Perfection is going to be the perfect season. The eighth will be another 48 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:38,199 chas. Last cha' s over. If it ends here. Hey, 49 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:43,160 right now that I was picking up my love for Marcos at the airport, 50 00:04:44,199 --> 00:04:46,120 I was telling him, and you' re getting to him. I' 51 00:04:46,199 --> 00:04:51,000 m thinner. I had to lose and I had to lose kilos. Turns 52 00:04:51,199 --> 00:04:55,800 out they found me a lot of sugar inside the body. I think I 53 00:04:55,920 --> 00:05:03,040 was too sweet looking and if I assumed then I had to modify lifestyle diet. 54 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,800 It' s been four months. That makes me feel much, much 55 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:12,079 better. Thank God. If I refuse to reach diabetic. Sure, no, 56 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,519 no, no, if we ask you what you want for coffee and 57 00:05:15,639 --> 00:05:18,639 black is no case, no sugar, no nothing. He' s getting 58 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,160 along well and so am I. But just like you said, I thought 59 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:28,160 reflux and singers is a whole thing. Yeah, but there are ways to 60 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,759 fix it. The reflux is the number one enemy singers, yes, and 61 00:05:31,759 --> 00:05:35,800 it is strange that all singers have it. It' ll be the diaphragm 62 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,879 for something. Or I don' t know if we' re getting a 63 00:05:38,879 --> 00:05:45,000 lot of light. Ah, well, yeah, we eat a lot, 64 00:05:45,319 --> 00:05:46,240 we eat unscathed to both branches. When the concert is over, of course, 65 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:50,399 the concert ends, they all go to dinner. That' s city 66 00:05:50,399 --> 00:05:56,800 reflux. Yeah, but the reflux can be controlled. There are ways to 67 00:05:56,959 --> 00:06:01,720 control it and there are secrets, because you have to control the reflux, 68 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:06,279 because otherwise, if you burn the vocal cords, yes literal, I picked 69 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:11,480 it up for a while. I started coughing and it' s just that 70 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,160 I had chili aquiles and I started the reflux. And it' s like 71 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,519 it happened to me, that I' ve lasted weeks without being able to 72 00:06:17,639 --> 00:06:20,399 talk about the reflux issue. I don' t know if you throughout your 73 00:06:20,439 --> 00:06:26,120 experience. Obviously, right now, you' re having to change patterns and 74 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,800 behaviors. What have followed you in your life and talking about closing cycles start 75 00:06:29,959 --> 00:06:35,839 new. How following you would have trans noticed that you have to change patterns, 76 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:42,879 for example. Right now, we' re just starting our thirties from 77 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,600 shepherding young people, from behaving in a way, from living in a way, 78 00:06:47,079 --> 00:06:51,079 and right now, I think we' re having a hard time deciphering 79 00:06:51,079 --> 00:06:55,959 good. We are now pastors of a church. To my liking, we 80 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,040 ' re too young to be pastoring a church. No. No, no, 81 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,959 no, but that' s what he wanted. I have nothing to 82 00:07:02,079 --> 00:07:08,759 do with what father, what father you are shepherding in your youth, because 83 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:13,439 then you have the energy, you have the creativity, the enthusiasm. Not 84 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,519 what father the Lord has given you this, this blessing, this pe is 85 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:21,240 a stretch and loosen, it is a challenge. But right now, we 86 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:25,000 ' re kind of good at this season of our 30s, already with a 87 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:29,000 daughter. We' re having a hard time recalibrating, say good. We 88 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,199 have to change these behaviors and patterns in your life. What would you say 89 00:07:32,279 --> 00:07:39,399 have been the biggest transitions and changes that have brought the most benefits to your 90 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:44,480 career, to your business to your family if you could talk to us a 91 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:48,079 little bit, the most important. Unfortunately, he arrived very late in my 92 00:07:48,079 --> 00:07:53,879 life, but it was to enjoy life ok Yo. I was always very 93 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:59,839 serious when I was young, seriously my business should be to see you as 94 00:08:00,439 --> 00:08:05,879 someone very square, very airtight. Not a month ago I ran into a 95 00:08:05,959 --> 00:08:11,120 friend, she was one of my best friends, when we were fifteen, 96 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:13,439 sixteen, seventeen years old and we were together at Musica' s school. 97 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:20,639 Today she is the Minister of Government in her country. Oh I grew up 98 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,560 this amazing lady. Well we met again after many years. We went to 99 00:08:24,759 --> 00:08:30,000 dinner and he was reminding me, and I said," I' m 100 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:35,639 serious" You were a few friends, not a few friends, but I 101 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:43,840 was very focused. I knew very early. One God is going to use 102 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,960 me two, I' m going to make someone different, three. I, 103 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:52,120 at the age of eighteen, made a very radical decision, which was 104 00:08:52,879 --> 00:09:00,519 not to listen to any secular music ok and that decision I kept until forty 105 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,559 - six Guaus of age did not hear anything from mos and where that decision 106 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:09,080 came from. Back then, it was very important to me. I felt 107 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:15,480 the lord asked me to. I saw it as a conviction. Now I 108 00:09:15,639 --> 00:09:22,200 understand it was a personal decision. We often confuse conviction with personal determination. 109 00:09:22,279 --> 00:09:28,320 Of course, it is not true, yes, and the problem is when 110 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:33,879 we take a conviction and try to impose it on the other person totally what 111 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:39,080 I did and now I apologize to all of you who had to live at 112 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,120 that moment. Hey, and it' s all burning Luis Miguel' s 113 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:50,360 records because of you, a sincere apology to Luis Miguel. He tells me 114 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:56,559 you' re watching this podcast. But when I was forty- seven, 115 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,960 I began to understand that many of the things I thought were convictions were simply 116 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:09,399 personal choices, personal tastes. And I started to enjoy life more, to 117 00:10:09,399 --> 00:10:13,559 laugh more, to spend times like this with you as well as with you 118 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:18,559 right now, to enjoy, to tell jokes, to tell jokes. I 119 00:10:18,799 --> 00:10:24,759 was like on a crusade. That' s not why I remember and when 120 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:31,679 I was thirty- two years old I was already filling every WOW stadium in 121 00:10:33,279 --> 00:10:37,360 every country across the continent. But because I was like this, I was 122 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,799 a soldier. I never give you an example. Once we walk here in 123 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:48,080 South America and tell us Pastor Marcos Este here twenty minutes away are the falls 124 00:10:48,159 --> 00:10:52,679 of the iguazú Oh Wow, one of the wonders of the world. Yeah, 125 00:10:52,799 --> 00:10:54,679 yeah, yeah, you gotta go check it out. He tells me 126 00:10:54,799 --> 00:10:58,399 if we leave tomorrow, in the morning, an hour before, we take 127 00:10:58,519 --> 00:11:03,000 him for a walk, we look, we take pictures and we take them 128 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:07,080 to the airport. My answer was no. But he' s not angry. 129 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,639 No, no, no, no, it was no, sir, 130 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,360 and I tell you I hear myself telling you and I remember very well. 131 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:20,840 We come to establish the kingdom. We don' t come from tourists. 132 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:24,840 How and that was me and the pastor yes, that' s true and 133 00:11:24,919 --> 00:11:28,720 I turn to see you. I' m doing everything wrong, I' 134 00:11:28,799 --> 00:11:30,240 m doing the matics, okay, I' m doing everybody. My music 135 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,799 was Randal, my drummer, Melvin Roody, and the one who played the 136 00:11:33,879 --> 00:11:41,840 saxopotist was no longer all about the Kingdom. It was that swiet frame I 137 00:11:41,879 --> 00:11:43,240 think of that swiety frame and say ay how good. Yeah. I' 138 00:11:43,279 --> 00:11:46,240 m not like that because I don' t like those frames. I wouldn 139 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,159 ' t want to live with that one. I like today' s one 140 00:11:48,159 --> 00:11:54,320 better. And if you look at Christianity as in other positions in different parts 141 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:58,679 of the world, you realize that we see Christianity in a very different way. 142 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:05,720 If you go to the east of the world, it would seem that 143 00:12:05,919 --> 00:12:11,440 you know a Jesus and a God much more to enjoy, to contemplate more 144 00:12:11,519 --> 00:12:16,039 than to do and it is different in every country, in every culture. 145 00:12:16,399 --> 00:12:20,399 I' m giving a little bit of parenthesis there for you to understand. 146 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:26,240 But I think I think, like the West. I think we' ve 147 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:31,240 been very focused on work. Yes so focused on the mission, that obviously, 148 00:12:31,399 --> 00:12:33,480 there is a mission and if we have to fulfill it. But I 149 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,799 also believe that God is pleased when we take pleasure in him and in his 150 00:12:37,799 --> 00:12:41,080 creation and in what he has given us, and I think that is very 151 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,159 nice what he is saying. I think learning to enjoy is the most enriching 152 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,879 and it gives you the length of days. That' s how it is, 153 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,440 it makes your life happy and it makes you enjoy yourself more. There 154 00:12:50,519 --> 00:12:56,159 is a verse that, in fact, is a truth. The lord' 155 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:03,120 s waiter gives you new strength is a fact. Now it' s not 156 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,480 saying I' m doing my job any less seriously. Sure, sure, 157 00:13:05,759 --> 00:13:11,960 sure nothing. I' m still very serious about what I do to what 158 00:13:11,039 --> 00:13:16,279 I do not when I preach a message. It' s because I' 159 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:22,200 m very serious when I write a book, or an album or a master 160 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,399 class. I' m really serious about what I' m doing. But 161 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:30,360 on the way I have more fun. Sure, I enjoy more, I 162 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,279 enjoy more my friends, I enjoy more my family, I do more to 163 00:13:33,279 --> 00:13:39,000 my wife. Sure, we laughed more than before. This one can enjoy 164 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:43,840 life why. For the joy of the Lord That is very good northaleza. 165 00:13:43,039 --> 00:13:46,080 And you think you had a hard time finding a balance. You don' 166 00:13:46,159 --> 00:13:50,240 t feel like you left from one end to the other, because I think 167 00:13:50,279 --> 00:13:52,039 it' s something that' s happening to us right now. I mean, 168 00:13:52,039 --> 00:13:56,720 it' s how we' re at the end of absolute fun and 169 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:58,919 I speak for myself. I' m the one who' s battling a 170 00:14:00,159 --> 00:14:03,440 little bit more to find that balance. We' re not in the fun, 171 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:09,600 young people unwind them and play video games until dawn. And now I 172 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,639 sometimes get that frames of not going to the falls, because we came to 173 00:14:13,639 --> 00:14:18,320 establish the Kingdom not in other words, since we started shepherding and like with 174 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:24,159 this delusion of persecution, I feel that everyone knows where we are and that 175 00:14:24,159 --> 00:14:28,440 if we go to a restaurant, they know that we are there, etcetera. 176 00:14:30,399 --> 00:14:33,559 And I' m going away to make it weird and I' m 177 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:37,360 going to the extreme of the seriousness of the job. It happened to you 178 00:14:37,399 --> 00:14:41,639 the other way around, maybe so seriously. We have to be fun now 179 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:45,799 and brought that out of your life and how you did it to find a 180 00:14:45,799 --> 00:14:50,360 balance. Walking in life is a constant balance adjustment, yes, it' 181 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:54,159 s going to be a never- ending story. Yeah, I' m 182 00:14:54,240 --> 00:15:00,960 sixty- one and in a few weeks I' m sixty- two and 183 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:05,240 it' s constant. It' s the going and coming little by little, 184 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:11,320 that is, you learn to be on balance, living some clear imbalances. 185 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,919 And the lord. The beauty is that I have always had this conviction 186 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,320 that the Lord does not accompany Himself through His Holy Spirit. That is an 187 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:26,519 extraordinary gift that God gave us through the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit gives 188 00:15:26,679 --> 00:15:33,000 you the Holy Spirit. Remember the Holy Spirit Te. He tells you, 189 00:15:33,759 --> 00:15:39,440 uh, as happened to me the other day, they say confession is bad 190 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:43,799 for reputation, but good for the soul. No, no, no, 191 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:43,519 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 192 00:15:43,519 --> 00:15:43,519 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 193 00:15:43,519 --> 00:15:43,519 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 194 00:15:43,519 --> 00:15:43,519 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 195 00:15:43,519 --> 00:15:43,519 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 196 00:15:43,519 --> 00:15:43,519 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 197 00:15:43,519 --> 00:15:43,519 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 198 00:15:43,519 --> 00:15:43,519 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 199 00:15:43,519 --> 00:15:43,519 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 200 00:15:43,519 --> 00:15:43,519 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 201 00:15:43,519 --> 00:15:43,519 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 202 00:15:43,519 --> 00:15:43,519 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 203 00:15:43,519 --> 00:15:43,519 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 204 00:15:43,519 --> 00:15:48,679 no, no. The other day I said something in a very light 205 00:15:48,799 --> 00:15:54,080 conversation. Everyone was laughing and I said something like that everybody laughed after saying 206 00:15:54,120 --> 00:16:04,759 it mmmm. And I felt in here and that wasn' t good That 207 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,840 ' s not you, and I recognized the voice of the Sandlen Al spirit. 208 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:14,559 Another day I met with the person I had made that comment with. 209 00:16:15,159 --> 00:16:21,440 I said hey you know what an apology tells me about what I said last 210 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:25,840 night in the conversation, because it was wrong that nothing. I did not 211 00:16:25,879 --> 00:16:30,440 understand that you were joking perfectly, but the Holy Spirit verlified. That' 212 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:36,440 s so important to have that sensitivity. Yes, when the Holy Spirit takes 213 00:16:36,759 --> 00:16:44,240 you away, yes, yes, that keeps you on balance. How important 214 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:51,879 not to impose what you said ahori also to put your convictions or your especially 215 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:56,559 your personal decisions on others in other people, because we are in a constant 216 00:16:56,639 --> 00:17:03,200 style and loosen looking for this balance and maybe what you one day already signed 217 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,000 was a truth. Obviously, not speaking of the truth, of the unmovable 218 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:11,000 word. Let' s talk about grey things, about life, not where 219 00:17:11,039 --> 00:17:15,079 there are tastes and cultures, etcetera. But how important it is not to 220 00:17:15,079 --> 00:17:18,759 impose it on you, because then, maybe in a few years you' 221 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,279 re going to change your mind and you were so verbal with something, because 222 00:17:22,319 --> 00:17:26,599 nothing happens, you' re going to have to apologize, but I think 223 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:27,240 we' ve all had to do it at some point. But how nice 224 00:17:27,559 --> 00:17:32,319 to be able to celebrate others and even when you don' t agree with 225 00:17:32,319 --> 00:17:36,119 something, as long as it' s not something like obviously sin to tell 226 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:37,079 me, well, I don' t agree, but I' m not 227 00:17:37,079 --> 00:17:44,119 going to tell you. I condemn, I have disciples of mine who judge 228 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:48,039 me today for having changed some of those. Oh wow, so, people 229 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:52,279 that I formed, that I was close to their lives and today are upset 230 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:57,960 with me that I abandoned some of those ideas that for me were personal decisions, 231 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:03,240 but I spoke them so loudly at the time, that they embraced it 232 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:10,640 as for them, and now they rebuke me that I abandoned that position and 233 00:18:10,799 --> 00:18:15,440 they didn' t do it their identity. Of course, I have no 234 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:21,880 problem with them having done their identity, but we would all have to do 235 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:27,160 an analysis of what are the things Mr Claro is really asking of us and 236 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,640 what are from our own harvest. Sure hears, and besides the theme of 237 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:38,640 secular music. There have been some other personal convictions or some other ideologies that 238 00:18:38,799 --> 00:18:42,920 God has led you to change, which might become somewhat controversial or difficult to 239 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:51,720 digest for some people. Of course, for example, the first time I 240 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:56,920 went to Argentina was in one thousand nine hundred and ninety- three. And 241 00:18:56,039 --> 00:19:02,440 I, Quimini, was born at the time that I saw it' s 242 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:11,720 ninety- five tee and I never forget when we went, we were with 243 00:19:11,319 --> 00:19:15,799 all my band and on that tour they accompanied us. We all went up 244 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,839 on a bus for forty days. I don' t forget and we were 245 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:26,880 forty- so many people and the first day on the bus we went down 246 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,200 the road and we' re going to stop a pizza shop, because in 247 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:30,960 Argentina they serve rich and there' s good pizza. It was a long 248 00:19:32,079 --> 00:19:34,720 table because we were forty- so many people, my musicians and we were 249 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:40,960 here this way about when the beer jars started to arrive. Look at that. 250 00:19:41,559 --> 00:19:48,599 And I put the cry in heaven, who asked for this. I 251 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:52,640 didn' t know. It was my first trip out of Mexico. I 252 00:19:52,759 --> 00:19:57,960 did not know that in other countries Christians take yes and I do not. 253 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,079 I remember that and I put the scream in the sky. And to justice, 254 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,799 all of you, don' t think of it. No And he 255 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,359 comes with me, one of the organizers who has later become one of my 256 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:14,319 best friends, named Humberto. Humberto says well Marcos. What happens is that 257 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:18,920 here, in Argentina, we don' t think, just like in some 258 00:20:19,759 --> 00:20:26,160 ok YOUR conviction about it is your decision, yes, no, but your 259 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:32,960 respect for your brother is a decision. A ne Also then I had to 260 00:20:33,559 --> 00:20:37,759 learn that not everyone thought the same. Of course I can still love them. 261 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:41,519 One hundred percent and being their friends and being their brothers, not that 262 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:47,559 they are still washed in the blood of the lamb, because that is not 263 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,960 my decision, it is a decision of them, not clear, and then 264 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:56,559 yes, there also I was as it cost me. It cost me a 265 00:20:56,039 --> 00:21:00,799 lot, but I understood respect. That' s an example. There are 266 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:06,240 many other examples that have to do with doctrine. Okay. Many times there 267 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:11,119 are people who give their lives for their doctrine. My position may be different, 268 00:21:11,559 --> 00:21:15,920 my thinking may be, but I can still love them, because it 269 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:21,440 must be remembered that the most important thing is that if people are covered in 270 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:25,000 blood. Well, that' s more like it. Well I love how 271 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:30,720 they put it, obviously, the word and many leaders who say no, 272 00:21:30,079 --> 00:21:34,839 don' t curse what God through Jesus already sanctified. No, I mean, 273 00:21:37,599 --> 00:21:41,400 they' re our brothers who can think differently, and now they can 274 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,279 ' t get involved in social media fights. We all lose them. I 275 00:21:45,319 --> 00:21:52,400 always say that they' re fighting We lose them all time. I don 276 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,359 ' t think anyone gets to a point in the networking conversation that I already 277 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,640 won, that' s, I didn' t make it with his family. 278 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,000 I just won an argument with Marcos Witt end Installing horrible and I feel 279 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,319 so good here I don' t mean, at the end of everyone, 280 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,240 I always want to answer and always tells me I don' t answer, 281 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,720 not happy, but then he answers. I love her, you' re 282 00:22:17,279 --> 00:22:25,440 her face. I' m the back to the clear and that' s 283 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:26,559 the sword. It' s okay, no, no, you don' 284 00:22:26,559 --> 00:22:30,079 t go, but right now, you were talking about secular music and I 285 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:36,319 think it' s one of the most controversial issues for Christians. I' 286 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,359 m not laughing. I have a question ahead, forward, yes, and 287 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:45,359 speaking of that, that is, ok, who listens to me Marcos Güey, 288 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,160 we are connected or not. I' m intrigued. I didn' 289 00:22:48,319 --> 00:22:51,599 t know that you didn' t listen to secular music for so many years. 290 00:22:52,079 --> 00:22:53,880 I find it very nice, but it' s super respectable. So 291 00:22:53,920 --> 00:23:00,400 many water. Not impossible for me, but not impossible. Obviously, I 292 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,200 understand and respect it and I like it. I' ve had my moments 293 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:12,599 where I' ve never paused so many times but to me my question is 294 00:23:12,599 --> 00:23:15,880 how you inspired yourself musically. I know that maybe a little specific. My 295 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:22,480 question may be for those who create content, etcetera. But many times you 296 00:23:22,759 --> 00:23:27,839 do find inspiration in different places. Yet yes, they are not necessarily worship, 297 00:23:29,559 --> 00:23:34,279 but you find places in people' s expressions. Not creative art, 298 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,960 and obviously you take the good thing to leave the bad thing and you create 299 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,480 something of your own. But how you were inspired to write, to put 300 00:23:42,599 --> 00:23:48,119 on production, that you were involved in a lot and you were a musical 301 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:53,079 spearhead, that is for years you are the referent, that is, you 302 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,240 have what amazing you created a specific sound. I think very few people achieve, 303 00:23:56,519 --> 00:24:03,359 very few artists manage to create such an identifiable sound, and I think 304 00:24:03,559 --> 00:24:07,640 it' s almost unreal for me to think that you didn' t listen 305 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,000 to music. Segular is amazing to me. In fact, I think it 306 00:24:11,079 --> 00:24:14,799 ' s nicer, but how did you inspire yourself to write, compose, 307 00:24:14,799 --> 00:24:17,400 produce. That I have a lot of people to trade, but yes, 308 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,079 because there' s a phrase I want to give them. No, but 309 00:24:19,279 --> 00:24:27,720 creativity inspires creativity, inspiration inspires clear inspiration, sounds strange, but it is 310 00:24:27,839 --> 00:24:33,640 a fact. When I see someone else' s work of art, it 311 00:24:33,799 --> 00:24:37,000 inspires me to certain things. The other day I went to a concert of 312 00:24:37,319 --> 00:24:45,559 a very beloved and beloved singer named Lawren Dagle. I saw things on stage 313 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:56,240 that inspired me. Of course, I saw her actions that taught me inspiration, 314 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:03,279 motivation and inspiration. What was it that inspired me? Okay. I 315 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:08,799 listened to pure Christian music. I can tell you the names of all the 316 00:25:10,039 --> 00:25:19,000 parents of Christian music. I had the honor of listening to the first cassettes. 317 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:27,079 Cassettes was a technology used by her grandmothers and great- grandmothers. It 318 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:33,720 was a little plastic thing with a tape rolled up. I had the privilege 319 00:25:33,759 --> 00:25:38,400 of listening to some of the first cassettes. You' re ready for adoration 320 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:48,519 and live praise Wow, where someone while we worshiped, stung records and recorded. 321 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:55,279 The first one he pulled out. The first institution that released an already 322 00:25:55,519 --> 00:26:02,079 live adoration and avalanche album. It was a school saw that it' s 323 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,599 called Christ for the nations Oh Wow, based in Dallas, tex They were 324 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:12,240 the first to sting record because it was going through a worship movement After them 325 00:26:12,319 --> 00:26:15,799 started a company called Interrit and Music, which were for years. They already 326 00:26:15,839 --> 00:26:19,960 made it a lot more professional, but it was my turn to listen to 327 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,960 their very first and listen I was fourteen years old. That was in the 328 00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:32,359 last century and to be inspired and felt the presence of the lord putting a 329 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:37,400 cassette and worshiping Mr Solitus in my room. That caused me a lot of 330 00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:44,000 things, not many of the songs of creativity that were going on. It 331 00:26:44,319 --> 00:26:51,240 was my time to be at the piano worshipping Mr Hours. But I can 332 00:26:51,359 --> 00:27:00,160 ' t discredit Andrey Crouch, Rus Taff Scramble Chuptur or hear those names. 333 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:06,279 That name is very long, but if you go back to the exact chatter 334 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:12,480 up story, the chapters were Genius wow or Chuppert Love are feeling Amy Granty, 335 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:21,680 then Michael Jackus clear. Of course, they were sweet compret Bent, 336 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:26,200 Brian Duncan, people who had a huge influence on my life. No and 337 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:33,000 I learned a lot from them and also from worshiping alone on my piano at 338 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:38,240 two o' clock in the morning with the headphones on composing songs that today 339 00:27:38,319 --> 00:27:41,640 sing them around the museum. Yeah, that' s the beautiful thing. 340 00:27:41,759 --> 00:27:45,160 I think at the moment you don' t know you' re living. 341 00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:52,039 I didn' t know a whole I don' t know a divine moment 342 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:56,480 or a golden year in our life. But that' s important to enjoy 343 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,440 the moment. Although it' s like marking the history of music, of 344 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,759 Christian music, you never realize it. I mean, I think it' 345 00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:08,079 s until in hindsight you see that, because at that moment it changed leave 346 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:19,079 you port a story. In a thousand nine hundred and eighty- six, 347 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:26,599 I had been commissioned to write a song for the youth camp. In June 348 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,640 or July of the eighty- six, I was newly married, Miriam and 349 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:37,960 I had three months married. I woke up that morning. Today the camp 350 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,680 begins and I have not composed anything and I am not. This is in 351 00:28:41,799 --> 00:28:45,480 front of Mr Les. I' m telling a true story. I' 352 00:28:45,519 --> 00:28:48,880 m in the shower. Father Dame, a song please and suddenly boom you. 353 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:56,599 I hear the voice of the Holy Spirit singing to me ok I dry 354 00:28:56,759 --> 00:29:03,519 quickly, I run to my electric pianito and there is born yesterday Eddy renue 355 00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:10,799 o. Yes, Lord Jesus, one thousand nine hundred and eighty- six, 356 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,200 in the shower, did not know at that time that that song would 357 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,000 turn the world around. They sing it in French, English, Italian, 358 00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:22,799 Japanese, German wauso wow. I listened to him in all those languages. 359 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:30,440 I didn' t know that would also be the first song I' d 360 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,519 write in a shower. I have a whole list of songs I wrote. 361 00:29:33,599 --> 00:29:41,119 It was an album called garan song Hey. I loved that story because ah 362 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,680 sorry to go too much forgiveness. I want you to have a dynamic. 363 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:52,720 I have a dynamic for you artists. I don' t think I' 364 00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:55,720 m too bad for these things. You think there are songs coming, there 365 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,519 are songs you have to find as treasures hidden in the earth. There are 366 00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:03,240 digs and digs and you find a little bit and you find it more like 367 00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:07,680 a fossil not that they are dusting and then there are songs that suddenly arrive 368 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,200 whole in your hands. Light a light three wow, God of covenants, 369 00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:18,799 boom You came my wash wow yes, hear in the nations ay boom Me 370 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:26,960 came so supernatural over natural is all I had or battles more with evil that 371 00:30:27,319 --> 00:30:36,759 six- month battle for that are my goons. All right. The creative 372 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:42,839 process has no formulas. It' s not daily discipline, look at ah 373 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:47,359 and point out that golden tube is that you want everything to be inspiring, 374 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:52,720 you want ah to write a good song, I have to be in the 375 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,200 Swiss Alps. Ah, well, that helps, that' s it. 376 00:30:56,359 --> 00:30:59,640 That' s obviously not that delayed effect. I mean, it' s 377 00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:02,920 not like ok at the time you' re gonna get the song, but 378 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:07,640 that' s not gonna have the resources to be in an inspiring place and 379 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,519 God wants to use you with what you have where you are. To make 380 00:31:11,559 --> 00:31:15,279 a difference, you need to have all the money in the world or the 381 00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:18,880 best producer. I mean. I believe there is a new generation that God 382 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,920 is raising right now. We were talking about the Z generation and now we 383 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:29,519 ' re going to get more into that subject, but I think great artists 384 00:31:29,599 --> 00:31:34,400 are going to get up that God wants to use in their room with his 385 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,319 sweet little computer chafa to make songs that are going to go around the world. 386 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:41,039 So did I, at four o' clock in the morning, woke 387 00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:45,480 up when I broke my ankles. I spent months in bed with incredible pain 388 00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:49,559 and at about three or four in the morning, the effect of the pain 389 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:59,000 medication was gone and I woke up with awesome pain and I didn' t 390 00:31:59,119 --> 00:32:02,440 wake Miriam because she was so tired that she was helping me. I was 391 00:32:02,839 --> 00:32:07,759 unbelievable, but I was literally depending on her on everything. And that time 392 00:32:07,799 --> 00:32:10,559 of morning, four in the morning, lying in my bed, comes to 393 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:24,839 see me with tambourine, and we see it with psaltery and grab. The 394 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:31,079 original recording is very, very, very painful voice of your ultra. Tomb 395 00:32:31,799 --> 00:32:37,319 in the middle of the pain, in the middle of the night, lying 396 00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:42,400 down my bed, without a computer, without a keyboard, Without there, 397 00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:45,839 God, you can give away a song. WOW. It' s a 398 00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:47,359 matter of tuning in. It' s like when we tune in to a 399 00:32:47,359 --> 00:32:52,960 radio station. The holy spirit is singing at all times. Tune it in 400 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,440 and you' ll get the songs. I love that and look here to 401 00:32:55,599 --> 00:33:00,400 see. I have a so to each and I know if we have as 402 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:05,680 an instrument. That' s where they can use it, but yeah, 403 00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:10,039 that' s a good one. Okay, there you go, and now 404 00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:14,519 John' s gonna help us whip this, because this piece of opo güey 405 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,079 content, this piece of content is gonna be brilliant. They' re gonna 406 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:24,480 grab two little papers that are there and you' re gonna be there and 407 00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:27,720 with those two words they' re gonna write a song. Oh, they 408 00:33:27,759 --> 00:33:30,359 ' re gonna write and I love you. Let' s see, let 409 00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:34,359 ' s see who' s there. Panny reacts inside. It' s 410 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:43,680 going to be Marcos whit versus kill Richards, a musical composition challenge using only 411 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,240 two words. Obviously megan ay ay ay ay. We don' t know, 412 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:47,920 you don' t know. Very good. People are going to decide. 413 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:53,200 And people like that, people are going to say yes, that' 414 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,000 s where we' re going to give you a guitar. Ah look here 415 00:33:55,079 --> 00:34:00,119 comes the guitar and comes the guitar? You put very easy in Jerusalem screams 416 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:08,840 to me the two who touched me was scream aha jerusal sounds a light bolt 417 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:15,239 says oh, Jerusalem sounds just taeres cents of gold sea of Crystal. I 418 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:22,679 grew up singing look there comes the guitar and throw me the guitar, but 419 00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:28,000 I gray Jerusalem, scream and jerusano and there I quimi will help you holding 420 00:34:28,039 --> 00:34:31,239 the microphone. Yes, sir, I think so. If we' re 421 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,239 going to talk about screaming and Jerusalem has to be a minor, the youngest. 422 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:43,000 Sure, uh, there' s a psalm that says, and they 423 00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:45,280 ' ll come with shouts of joy. Go to the house of the Lord 424 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:51,079 on the mountain of the Lord where the Lord was in Jerusalem. There' 425 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:59,519 s me I can' t compete against this. Let us not go up 426 00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:06,360 to the house of God, the house of God with shouts of joy and 427 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:14,000 its abuser, the House of God in Jerusalem In, we will worship with 428 00:35:14,199 --> 00:35:24,000 shouts of jubilation, grace, scream out. That' s how I liked 429 00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:29,840 the hard way you use it that you' re going to want piano or 430 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:34,119 guitar. Uh, so guitar. I guess it' s practical. Let 431 00:35:34,159 --> 00:35:37,280 ' s keep it practical and see what words. I' m with him. 432 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:43,039 It' s his turn, I' ve caught two, but ah 433 00:35:43,039 --> 00:35:45,199 you' re cheating. No. I don' t remember the two that 434 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:46,719 even came out of me and I say you want to get another one. 435 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,559 Yeah, another one at a glance cheated more or less or cheated, but 436 00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:52,400 I might get worse. I mean, I don' t know these anymore. 437 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:58,800 That' s two new words for real woman. Good thing it was 438 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:07,400 you and not me, and then what the fuck? Okay, who wrote 439 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:15,239 this. I want to know nabuco wasn' t chorti buco, yeah, 440 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,320 you know what he hears. But if I have never heard a music, 441 00:36:17,639 --> 00:36:23,480 a song of worship with nabucodonosor is not that there was lack. I didn 442 00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:28,760 ' t ask for what to say it didn' t do and I don 443 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:35,760 ' t remember if it was the Nabu, Nabu was the Nabo, Nabu 444 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,760 wasn' t the Sor, if it was the one who wanted to put 445 00:36:39,079 --> 00:36:45,519 them in the firebender, yes, Ok no Oh, he put them in, 446 00:36:45,199 --> 00:36:47,480 well, he did, but he also wanted the truth, I mean, 447 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,840 he didn' t unintentionally put them in wow Ok. But then woman 448 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:54,239 and woman m mm interesting father in the name of Jesus and he was an 449 00:36:54,280 --> 00:37:02,119 urban song. Look at this or I think it' s gonna be like 450 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:10,280 Indie m Folt and potin ay Ok. There he goes, I' m 451 00:37:10,599 --> 00:37:19,039 the woman with the mouth, and I' m a witness to her faithfulness. 452 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:32,599 I saw three men the uncle, but four came out, Bravo, 453 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:45,920 but it came out clear wat and one was Mr So Bravo, Bravo, 454 00:37:49,480 --> 00:38:12,039 fourth was Mr Donousy Rana, son of the Devil. But, you know, 455 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:24,039 it' s sticky. Not everyone hears, nabuugo or I was doing 456 00:38:24,159 --> 00:38:29,800 the second. I wanted to make you, Right now, yours, but 457 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,000 I was surprised by your sharps. I said ay ya, I can go. 458 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:37,199 I like that. Nebuchadnezzar is the perfect example that God uses even the 459 00:38:38,199 --> 00:38:45,840 Devil’ s children. Luz the cha and he used Nebuchadnezzar. It is 460 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:51,039 a song like the wife of Nebuchadnezzar who saw it and his wife must have 461 00:38:51,079 --> 00:38:54,639 seen it all my mad husband made a hand with whom I married mint. 462 00:39:00,039 --> 00:39:05,400 If you' re asking that. Several races are the two words that came 463 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:10,679 out to me hear, not something interesting. About composition. Transicinating, I 464 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:15,559 remember that when I started composing, because this is podcast, it' s 465 00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:17,519 not about me, but a little parenthesis. When I started composing, because 466 00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:22,480 it was very abrupt, they give me a heart. He' d had 467 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:27,840 five years, good track, very good songs, very good songs. And 468 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,800 then it' s how it' s worth you getting to that level. 469 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,880 And I' ve never written anything. And I mean, yeah, but 470 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,360 nothing. Nothing that I had composed had ever been published. The point is 471 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,079 I started reading books, I started practicing what you say is a discipline. 472 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,639 I believe it with all my heart and I remember learning a brilliant exercise and 473 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:53,360 I loved it and it was about like the five senses, but you add 474 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:58,239 two more, the taste, the smell view, the touch that I lack. 475 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:05,000 Heard this in your ear and then you add the kinesthetic, which is 476 00:40:05,039 --> 00:40:07,159 like what' s happening around you, for example. And the fourth rumbled. 477 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,800 And so, that' s also a sense, but it' s 478 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:14,000 not and then it' s, I think I don' t remember the 479 00:40:14,039 --> 00:40:15,960 other name, but it was basically like the inner one that and it turned 480 00:40:16,039 --> 00:40:19,119 my stomach, for example, which is a sense. But then they put 481 00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:23,639 you writing ten minutes about an object, whatever aubject riding is called, and 482 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:30,199 you have to write ten minutes about that thing using the seven senses. Then 483 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:36,360 it forces you if you' re talking about a bottle of water, it 484 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:43,000 forces you to talk about its texture, its position, and things come out 485 00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:44,880 so weird, but they stimulate creativity so much. I mean, I started 486 00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:49,079 writing as if you were the table that held the bottle and the perception, 487 00:40:49,639 --> 00:40:54,880 I mean, I put you like it was very good exercise of creativity to 488 00:40:55,000 --> 00:41:00,880 be able to think about the different perspectives, and I think it paints you 489 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:05,000 a very very clear picture, that is, if we talk about the Cross, 490 00:41:05,199 --> 00:41:07,079 what they smell, that is what was heard like in people' s 491 00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:13,000 whispers, maybe it was like what was happening around. That' s really 492 00:41:13,039 --> 00:41:15,800 where I did the Bible. But there are things that we can add with 493 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:22,400 our creativity to tell one more story and what songs came out after this exercise. 494 00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:27,320 Well, the first I wrote on Earth did it on earth Well, 495 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,960 it wasn' t the first. We' re not going here We' 496 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,960 re going to finish. This is the first heaven. That was not the 497 00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:40,519 first veneer left was the first that I, at composition level, has a 498 00:41:40,559 --> 00:41:45,000 lot of depth. It' s just that that, that composition, it 499 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,639 ' s a maes play. Thank you very much. They helped me. 500 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:52,039 I mean, I made it like the skeleton and I helped it so they 501 00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:57,320 could. The bridge did it. It was the ones who did what they 502 00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:02,039 did. The song is a masterpiece. Thank you. That game of heaven 503 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:10,840 on earth, the earth adores you is so amazing the creativity behind it, 504 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:16,400 the thought behind it, that' s something I find now. Welcome to 505 00:42:16,519 --> 00:42:22,280 Marcos Güeyes podcast. I love one of the things I love about the music 506 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:23,639 of a heart. No. No, no, no, no, no, 507 00:42:23,639 --> 00:42:23,639 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 508 00:42:23,639 --> 00:42:23,639 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 509 00:42:23,639 --> 00:42:23,639 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 510 00:42:23,639 --> 00:42:23,639 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 511 00:42:23,639 --> 00:42:23,639 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 512 00:42:23,639 --> 00:42:23,639 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 513 00:42:23,639 --> 00:42:23,639 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 514 00:42:23,639 --> 00:42:23,639 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 515 00:42:23,639 --> 00:42:23,639 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 516 00:42:23,639 --> 00:42:23,639 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 517 00:42:23,639 --> 00:42:24,039 no. No, no, no, no, no, no, 518 00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:24,039 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 519 00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:24,039 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 520 00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:24,039 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 521 00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:24,039 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 522 00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:24,039 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 523 00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:24,039 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 524 00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:24,039 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 525 00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:24,039 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 526 00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:24,039 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 527 00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:24,039 no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 528 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:24,360 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 529 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:24,360 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 530 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:24,360 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 531 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:24,360 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 532 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:24,360 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 533 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:24,360 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 534 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:24,360 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 535 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:24,360 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 536 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:24,360 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 537 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:24,360 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 538 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:24,639 no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, 539 00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:24,639 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 540 00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:24,639 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 541 00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:24,639 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 542 00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:24,639 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 543 00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:24,639 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 544 00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:24,639 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 545 00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:24,639 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 546 00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:24,639 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 547 00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:24,639 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 548 00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:24,639 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 549 00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:24,719 no, no, no, no. No, no, no, 550 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:24,719 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 551 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:24,719 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 552 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:24,719 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 553 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:24,719 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 554 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:24,719 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 555 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:24,719 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 556 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:24,719 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 557 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:24,719 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 558 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:24,719 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 559 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:24,719 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 560 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:30,159 no, no, no. It' s just that he' s got 561 00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:31,239 brains, he' s got thinking, I mean, they' re thinking. 562 00:42:31,559 --> 00:42:37,760 They are. The other day I heard a song called in memory of 563 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:46,159 you has thought. He' s using words and letters that aren' t 564 00:42:46,199 --> 00:42:51,800 so common that I love it is that I congratulate them and commission them. 565 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,159 What you just said about that, about seeing the truth, about writing a 566 00:42:55,239 --> 00:43:00,559 song from the perspective of this table or this plant. If it doesn' 567 00:43:00,599 --> 00:43:06,079 t have to be a song, it can be a writing, that is, 568 00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:07,719 writing n thought. But help with the compassion for one of the songs 569 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:12,960 that struck me most when I was very small, long ago sans santans, 570 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:20,000 it was a song that was written from the perspective of the tree. They 571 00:43:20,159 --> 00:43:24,440 cut into the forest, which ended up being the three cuz crucis in the 572 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,199 ordeal. Yeah, wow. I don' t know. For example, 573 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,599 that is prospective, clear and the tree is being cut and he and the 574 00:43:31,679 --> 00:43:36,559 song said I had the desire to be a great boat, wow, to 575 00:43:36,639 --> 00:43:40,880 be a great house or maybe a great desk, of a great thinker or 576 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,199 the door of one but I was not the salvation of humanity. Wow, 577 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:52,360 wow, oh, what a thought. No. And the other day I 578 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:58,559 was listening to a song that the whole choir said MM and eye yaye, 579 00:43:59,159 --> 00:44:08,920 and I see already And I see who they composed and they were seven composers. 580 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:15,199 That' s serious. That' s what the start took. You 581 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,119 know, I think another day is missing. Friends, you' re already 582 00:44:19,199 --> 00:44:22,760 feeling it on your creative board. No, you can' t We missed 583 00:44:22,599 --> 00:44:27,280 another one after the second. Yeah, and that' s my credit. 584 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,079 Please give me my split please to the wedding. We don' t talk 585 00:44:31,159 --> 00:44:36,960 about splias, don' t worry or memory of you That' s Kevin 586 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:37,119 ' s idea. You don' t even have to know him. He 587 00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:43,280 ' s brilliant composer, especially musically. I mean, it' s the 588 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,079 melody and everything makes a good team. But I think there' s the 589 00:44:46,159 --> 00:44:52,679 magic like collaboration. Perhaps not among seven just or aya, but I do 590 00:44:52,679 --> 00:44:57,840 believe that if you are humble enough to say, I am willing to give 591 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:02,519 up clearly. I have an experience. I wrote a song that I thought 592 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:07,039 ah this is wonderful and in those years I worked very closely with a composer 593 00:45:07,079 --> 00:45:12,880 named Juan Salinas, and Juan arrived at the office. He had an office 594 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:17,159 in front of mine and arrived that morning and Juan Juan. I want to 595 00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:24,119 play this song and play this song when he finished his answer. It' 596 00:45:24,119 --> 00:45:27,920 s okay, it' s not the best song you' ve ever written 597 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,840 on your video. Or Juan is too dry, he doesn' t care 598 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:36,079 what people think of him. Then say whatever you want. I already liked 599 00:45:36,199 --> 00:45:39,079 him. Juan, yes, incredible. He went to his office and I 600 00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:43,280 went to my office. I closed the door, but boom gave him a 601 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,599 door and I was upset. I was thirty- one, thirty- two 602 00:45:46,639 --> 00:45:52,400 years old. I was someone else back then and then, when I' 603 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:57,320 m out there throwing fumarola, I' m upset. No, and all 604 00:45:57,679 --> 00:46:02,280 of a sudden I hear the sweet voice of the Holy Spirit and he said 605 00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,159 to me like that that' s how they' re going to make the 606 00:46:05,159 --> 00:46:13,079 frames. I and the lord told me to say, you preferred to bother 607 00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:19,639 you to ask Juan why waw That was not the best song and then I 608 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,920 humble myself, I wake up open my door, güey I touch behind Juan 609 00:46:22,599 --> 00:46:28,000 come tell me why and he told me look at this, this chord the 610 00:46:28,119 --> 00:46:31,400 hook, this one is very good, but this maybe you can change it 611 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:37,320 and we work for about half an hour and are ready to know what was 612 00:46:37,039 --> 00:46:45,960 the song that came out there is beautiful you are my lord Wow beautiful you 613 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:51,599 are your beloved my woo ok. If I had insisted that I wasn' 614 00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:57,199 t going to be correct and I wasn' t going to collaborate on that 615 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,760 song, it wouldn' t have been good millions and millions. That' 616 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,960 s what you did when you said to collaborate. That' s one of 617 00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:10,320 my most favorite ways and it' s amazing and I think it speaks a 618 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:15,679 lot about one side of the artist, of which you don' t talk 619 00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:19,639 enough, which is the side of humility and collaboration. I have never been 620 00:47:19,639 --> 00:47:23,400 in a creative workshop where, in addition to teaching you how to compose, 621 00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:30,440 they teach you how to collaborate or teach you how to face feedback on your 622 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:36,079 creative ideas. And I think that limits that a lot to a whole generation 623 00:47:36,519 --> 00:47:40,400 of creatives who are lonely callers and who, if they could collaborate, would 624 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:46,039 have or could go much further. Now, speaking of which, you are 625 00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:52,559 very dear, not only within Christians, but also Catholics, also many people 626 00:47:52,679 --> 00:47:59,039 who do not perhaps identify with any belief, in particular, many people know 627 00:47:59,039 --> 00:48:06,880 so to call you I love you very much. Was there never such an 628 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:13,559 opportunity, perhaps to collaborate with some non- Christian artist or even you, 629 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:19,440 to make crossover music that was not merely Christian? And if that opportunity existed, 630 00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,320 what did you decide? And why did you decide? Like this? 631 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:35,719 See yes, yes, Michael Jackson, here I understood long, long ago 632 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:43,400 after my call my mantle, my authority is in the believing Christ world. 633 00:48:44,519 --> 00:48:47,679 Of course I like it. It obviously includes Catholics and a lot of believers, 634 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:52,920 people who believe in Jesus Christ and who follow Jesus Christ the respect and 635 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:59,599 admiration that I have reaped from the world that are not Christ believers or that 636 00:48:59,679 --> 00:49:01,360 are dedicated to another guy in the world of music forgiveness. I' ll 637 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:06,480 be surprised. It' s not something I expected, but I' m 638 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:13,679 located. Yes, then, once only one time he collaborated with a group 639 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:21,199 that is not dedicated to Christian music and it was because the main singer of 640 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:30,039 that group lost his mother and the other principal lost his father and a God 641 00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:37,920 used me at that time. They both live in that group is the Houstor 642 00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:43,440 and we both had a friendship of many years and when I knew that their 643 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,199 father and their mother had died, I spoke to them on the phone and 644 00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:51,320 God used me to comfort them. And in one of those he' ll 645 00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:57,159 invite me to his studio and they call me Marcos, we' re doing 646 00:49:57,159 --> 00:49:59,119 a duet song. You won' t have a song. I told him. 647 00:50:00,519 --> 00:50:05,159 I have a song that I composed when he died, my dad died, 648 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:12,480 and since they were still in mourning and processing their parents' departure, 649 00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:20,840 I played that song saying goodbye to them how difficult it makes you entrust to 650 00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:30,599 God. It has always been my baby when I saw you smiling there what 651 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:39,639 I felt is very difficult to write to say to God, for God' 652 00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:44,639 s sake, how difficult it is to make that song. I composed it 653 00:50:44,639 --> 00:50:47,599 after I was there with my dad saying goodbye to him. He was still 654 00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:54,320 warm when I put his hand on his chest, when he played this song 655 00:50:55,519 --> 00:51:02,320 to them and Armando are called they turned, ma' am, Marcos tells 656 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:06,480 me, you couldn' t sing it with us in the album. Of 657 00:51:06,599 --> 00:51:12,400 course I did, well, you heard the review. Listen to the beautiful 658 00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:16,920 story. He scrapes this and then people history. And it is also an 659 00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:22,960 example of how God can use clear music to manage people who are not necessarily 660 00:51:22,039 --> 00:51:29,719 close to God. But that God loves you anyway and questions want you to 661 00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:35,199 evangelize or not, Or of course it seems like the first attempt of some 662 00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,960 kind of evangelism through art. I don' t want it. What you 663 00:51:39,039 --> 00:51:44,599 call they were telling you, that was the most frequent criticism there. Maybe 664 00:51:44,679 --> 00:51:46,320 it' s for the group. The group is called the mafia group. 665 00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,519 Maybe that' s why people criticized me so much. Well, I love 666 00:51:52,599 --> 00:51:55,840 those kids who are looking at me right now, I love them very much, 667 00:51:57,159 --> 00:51:59,119 gossip, no, they don' t have anything I love very much. 668 00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:02,119 And and his music is very sung and very clear, by very clear 669 00:52:02,159 --> 00:52:08,239 gossip. Imagine everything in hundreds of tens of thousands of people and at every 670 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:15,199 turn. No. But for me it was very beautiful the moment where a 671 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,840 song that God gave to me by my dad I, then that song I 672 00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:22,599 recorded on my album, on your album Yes and I will say clearly yes, 673 00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,320 yes, yes, but I loved collaborating with the band the mafia, 674 00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:31,719 although many noble people do not hear by name. They thought something was a 675 00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:37,320 non- Christian music group. There they sing to so many other things. 676 00:52:37,519 --> 00:52:43,239 Yeah, but they' re totally people. We can' t take the 677 00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,840 courage away from people. And something I think I once saw a video where 678 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:52,719 you' re like coming out of a concert and you' re getting into 679 00:52:53,199 --> 00:52:59,000 a car and a person is yelling at you that you' re ecumenical or 680 00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:00,480 something, you' re crissing. You went to sing about it. I 681 00:53:00,519 --> 00:53:06,800 wanted to speak yes, because lately, in this last season, in our 682 00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:15,440 life, we have learned a lot and learned to value many of the practices 683 00:53:15,519 --> 00:53:21,840 and traditions that come from Catholicism that, following the reformation and divorce between the 684 00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:25,599 churches, I dare say we have lost some valuable things and within that, 685 00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:30,880 not obviously, not everything was ideal. That is why there had to be 686 00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,840 a reformation, which would not be bad if there was a reformation in our 687 00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,440 churches today. But it' s another subject for another day, special in 688 00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:43,039 America. But the point is, why do you think so many people find 689 00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:50,320 it hard to assimilate that Catholicism has valuable things and that we might come to 690 00:53:51,360 --> 00:54:00,159 collaborate with our Catholic brothers to accomplish interesting things. Part of the problem is 691 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:07,039 the extreme persecution that the Catholic Church has endured over hundreds of years against all 692 00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:13,679 of us who are not fourteen. Of course, that beneficent Catholic is not 693 00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:20,079 blood shed including that of my father or biological girl, that is, even 694 00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:24,239 if, for the inquisition and all that blood shed in the name of God, 695 00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:30,199 then there is this rejection. That' s not true. The second 696 00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:35,840 part, which is very complicated, is veneration. They use the word veneration 697 00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:42,800 because he ends up being cousin brother of the Idolatri to the saints, to 698 00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:49,480 the virgins, to the images. That for us evangelicals, practices, not 699 00:54:49,559 --> 00:54:54,840 very complicated and forbidden, because we are clear about it. The Bible, 700 00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:59,840 don' t bend your knee, not one hundred percent eyes, ninety ears. 701 00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:07,599 No, because those are the two main ones there. The tremendous persecution 702 00:55:07,679 --> 00:55:12,360 there has been and the veneration. And then there you can go to the 703 00:55:12,639 --> 00:55:22,400 transubstantiation that they claim that the host of the host is he becomes the body 704 00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:28,639 to body. So all that stuff is already a lot, but we have 705 00:55:29,199 --> 00:55:32,559 a lot of ground to go through. But if we' re rowing against 706 00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:37,000 it, as you saw it in this person' s video, so annoying, 707 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:42,920 she' s very upset saying why you went to sing to Tical I 708 00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,400 said that' s the wrong question. Wow, ask me, ask me, 709 00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:50,199 and I took a long time to calm him down. Ask me first 710 00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:54,400 once you went to sing to the Vatican and did it once you went to 711 00:55:54,519 --> 00:55:59,880 sing to the Bancano. No, that' s where you' d have 712 00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:05,280 to start. Bros. I was never confusing you or not. I' 713 00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:10,639 m Alex Campos or I know if the other podcast and we talked about it 714 00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:15,679 I' ve never forgotten WOW' s confused face. Let' s talk 715 00:56:15,679 --> 00:56:20,480 about one thing. Let' s talk about this for a second, because 716 00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:22,239 already the nervous producer that we already have to finish. No. No. 717 00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:30,239 How is it possible that Christians are so quick to embrace Lie, uy, 718 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:36,519 uy, uy. How it is possible that after thirty- eight years I 719 00:56:36,519 --> 00:56:40,440 will not forgive forty- two years of ministry, thirty- eight of which 720 00:56:40,519 --> 00:56:49,039 we are recording music of praise to Jesus Christ. They still believe that I 721 00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,199 am not a follower of Jesus Christ. How is it possible that they see 722 00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:58,360 something on Facebook and believe it before the years of fruit that my Ministry has 723 00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,760 given. Sure, that' s the part I don' t understand. 724 00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:07,760 Or why we' re so open to embracing any gossip, any lies. 725 00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:14,079 Please, that' s enough and that' s all you hear, but 726 00:57:14,119 --> 00:57:21,840 why did you go to the Vatican and nothing you don' t talk about 727 00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:23,320 anymore, but already speaking in SERIAAA. No, I mean, if you 728 00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:27,559 ' re father to God' s fruit in your life, but the Vatican 729 00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:32,159 thing and you put your card on backwards. Yes, she' s the 730 00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:37,480 poor ricky martin' s wedding ejmulus. The ball comes because you went after 731 00:57:37,519 --> 00:57:45,079 the Vatican on the way to Rica' s wedding. Yay that day I 732 00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:49,880 ' m Miriam, and I Miriam and I were in Tijuana when suddenly he 733 00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:53,920 comes up with me, my assistant and tells me look what they just published 734 00:57:54,039 --> 00:58:00,960 and I read and I enchilo me molex clear how it' s possible makes 735 00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:06,639 him laugh or wife, to milia I love her because she is one of 736 00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,920 these women who have affected him what people say it thinks, of course, 737 00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:14,519 that has been a blessing. Of course not, and he tells me why 738 00:58:14,679 --> 00:58:20,400 you' re so upset about how they might invent these batteries are all lies 739 00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:27,559 and he tells me, but you married them clearly don' t laugh, 740 00:58:28,039 --> 00:58:34,119 he doesn' t say the word that the truth makes you free margos and 741 00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:38,840 I don' t know you, but how they invent that, because it 742 00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:40,960 ' s also like the price off. I don' t mean, I 743 00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:49,199 think all the good things that come with a career of so many years can 744 00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:54,639 ' t come without it' s obviously bitter, criticism, lying, gossip, 745 00:58:55,000 --> 00:59:00,239 never defamation, not something we talked about in the episode. It happens 746 00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:05,079 you were with us. But to land this episode, this plane, I 747 00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,400 ' d like to ask you what keeps exciting you. I mean, you 748 00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:17,519 ' ve already hunted ricky Martegar, but you' ve done so many things, 749 00:59:17,679 --> 00:59:21,920 no, I mean, but speaking of things that are true, you 750 00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,559 don' t share the mafia. Obviously you' ve already been to stadiums 751 00:59:25,639 --> 00:59:34,840 and won grammys and you' ve obviously managed to build a beautiful family and 752 00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:38,320 sent your children to move on with their jobs and their ministries and their families. 753 00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:45,199 Why go ahead, that is, what keeps getting you excited, what 754 00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:52,559 you need to do and what you think is the future of Christian music, 755 00:59:53,079 --> 00:59:57,840 that is, what makes you a father and what makes you dangerous that you 756 00:59:58,159 --> 01:00:02,480 are seeing. I' d like a little wisdom there from you as one 757 01:00:02,519 --> 01:00:07,960 of the pioneers. I' m going to tell you a couple of things 758 01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:14,840 that excite me. Ok Jeck Gready, see here my Richards on stage with 759 01:00:15,119 --> 01:00:17,920 Michael daviw Smith singing in Mexico City with 20, 000 and there are so 760 01:00:19,039 --> 01:00:23,239 many people at the Frank Graham festival and I was beside the monitors with tears 761 01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:30,440 in the others, in the eyes. That excites me to see it. 762 01:00:30,519 --> 01:00:34,719 I' ve got to go You made the rabbit, yes, it was 763 01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,320 very pre- you want, but it' s very special. You stood 764 01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:42,480 there and you did your thing and I mean, and I' m excited 765 01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,679 about why. Because you represent this generation, you represent what' s new 766 01:00:45,679 --> 01:00:50,800 coming. And Michael and I, Michael lews Smith and I are the cool 767 01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:58,639 dads Michael, he' s older than me and see that expression of generations, 768 01:00:59,239 --> 01:01:04,760 I' m right now with the wave of generations. Okay, that 769 01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:08,480 was exciting. That' s where they' re going to be in the 770 01:01:08,639 --> 01:01:13,639 San Marcos honey crypto, already at that event they had last year in Los 771 01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,480 Angeles, California, where I sang renews me and sang one called coritos yes 772 01:01:16,639 --> 01:01:28,480 gosa. That' s coming back. It' s not coming back my 773 01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:31,639 whole life dedicated to composing songs to stop singing that and we' re going 774 01:01:31,719 --> 01:01:37,039 back to ok there' s a wave like this half of Hebrew coming back 775 01:01:37,039 --> 01:01:37,920 eh, but I loved being there. It was four and a half hours. 776 01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:43,239 I told the morals, the honeys, I said how they put up 777 01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,159 with more and it takes me at four or fifteen. My knees used to 778 01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:51,760 call me here. He can' t be an old man, but I 779 01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,880 cried I didn' t cry I danced I knelt. It was an impression, 780 01:01:55,199 --> 01:02:01,360 because I prayed my whole life to see that and thousands in a sand 781 01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:06,440 gathered singing to advance. Those things are the ones that excite me. Two 782 01:02:07,199 --> 01:02:10,719 days ago, a couple of days ago, a video and song came out 783 01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:16,519 with a young Argentine named Matthew Hotton, which was an impressive song. I 784 01:02:16,639 --> 01:02:21,079 ' m excited to make that guy, so I' m about to make 785 01:02:21,079 --> 01:02:25,039 an album. Nobody knows about this. I am making an album with ten 786 01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:31,960 completely new voices and it has to do with this wave of generations, already 787 01:02:32,039 --> 01:02:37,639 because it says thirty- one jeremías, thirteen, that the young and the 788 01:02:37,719 --> 01:02:39,880 old together we will save Mr That excites me. What I see that comes 789 01:02:40,119 --> 01:02:45,960 with Christian music, especially in Spanish music, which is where I consider myself 790 01:02:45,039 --> 01:02:52,440 an expert, I consider myself a connoisseur. Of course, I do not 791 01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:54,840 know so much what is happening in the world of Christian music in English, 792 01:02:55,199 --> 01:02:59,280 of course, I know that a lot is happening, but in the world 793 01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,840 of music in Spanish, very excited. When I listen to you, when 794 01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:07,599 I listen to your brother, Steven Pinchan, when I listen to this young 795 01:03:07,719 --> 01:03:13,159 Matthew Hotton, who composed a masterful song. When I hear some of these 796 01:03:13,239 --> 01:03:19,320 young people from Monte Santo de Hoy, incredible song just came out of Jshua 797 01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:22,639 Jamasha' s. I mean, it' s super different to what I 798 01:03:22,719 --> 01:03:25,480 ' m used to. No, I mean, we' re not so 799 01:03:25,559 --> 01:03:31,880 into the Pentecost wave. There was all one stream very yes. I also 800 01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:37,320 get it back and the way they did it to me became brilliant. When 801 01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,559 I hear people the way they' ll be there, it' s clear. 802 01:03:40,199 --> 01:03:44,719 When I hear people like ale Fernández, yes, and then some of 803 01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:50,079 these new exponents, when I hear my granddaughter mother, yes, this girl 804 01:03:50,559 --> 01:03:52,320 is going to be yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. His generation is 805 01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:55,800 only sixteen years old, but he sings. You have an impressive imagination. 806 01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:01,440 That excites me and this old man can go to heaven knowing what is left 807 01:04:01,559 --> 01:04:05,800 in good hands, what God is doing in this generation. Thank you very 808 01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:11,039 much there. But I' d like to know because obviously, that' 809 01:04:11,039 --> 01:04:13,519 s what you see. Yes, yes, yes, yes, it feels 810 01:04:13,639 --> 01:04:20,079 nice, but what worries you, because I feel that there is one thing 811 01:04:20,159 --> 01:04:26,400 that I respect very much about You and many of the great pioneers of Christian 812 01:04:26,519 --> 01:04:30,960 music in Spanish, is that most, if not all, were founded in 813 01:04:31,039 --> 01:04:34,159 a local church. That' s very interfering in a local church. As 814 01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:40,639 pastors, you' ve been pastoring and involved with local church for many years 815 01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:45,320 and now and I' m going to what I' m going to say 816 01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:53,639 is controversial and it doesn' t matter, but I wonder what people' 817 01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:58,519 s favorite Christian artists do on Sunday mornings? That' s the question that 818 01:04:58,599 --> 01:05:02,000 I sometimes got made your favorite critia artists on Sunday mornings? And if the 819 01:05:02,079 --> 01:05:09,159 answer isn' t like being grounded or seeing one with people who don' 820 01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:13,280 t idolize them, that' s the father of a congregation, that' 821 01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:16,000 s the father with people who are going to say it. You have the 822 01:05:16,199 --> 01:05:20,119 problem that you' re not frames, you' re the pastor, Pastor, 823 01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:27,199 and it' s that my master is bre pastor yabrar is pretty then 824 01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:30,960 what you see that that could r There are a couple of things and that 825 01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:34,679 ' s definitely one of them. If we are not devoting ourselves to building 826 01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:41,920 the eye church, then we are not collaborating with what Jesus is doing, 827 01:05:43,039 --> 01:05:47,519 because he said I will build my church a hundred percent. He did not 828 01:05:47,559 --> 01:05:51,880 say I will build my ministry for Ecclesiastical. I am director of a ministry 829 01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:57,639 for ecclesiastics called institute your song. They know what one of our definitions is 830 01:05:57,719 --> 01:06:03,559 in DNA and we live to serve the local churches very good, we are 831 01:06:03,639 --> 01:06:09,440 church people. It has to be to collaborate with Jesus. It is to 832 01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,119 do what he is doing, what he is doing, He is building up 833 01:06:12,119 --> 01:06:15,039 his Church. And the only way to be part of building your church is 834 01:06:15,159 --> 01:06:18,800 to be part of the church. One hundred percent. I' m serious. 835 01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:23,519 Yes, by the way, you don' t believe me in every 836 01:06:23,559 --> 01:06:28,519 year when I and Miriam were pastoring there in Leycool for ten years I was 837 01:06:28,639 --> 01:06:34,360 coming back and sometimes it was schedules and flight itineraries that I came up dragging 838 01:06:34,519 --> 01:06:39,000 cats to the platform, but I was in my church. Because we' 839 01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:43,440 re from church. That' s where the second concern goes. There are 840 01:06:44,079 --> 01:06:49,280 some dislocated is serious and the and the word I' m using it with 841 01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:56,239 property. Des Locateds who have no more than a hundred followers and are already 842 01:06:56,480 --> 01:07:01,280 asking for first- class tickets, are asking for suites, hotels, are 843 01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:09,199 seeing fees of I don' t know what you, no, don' 844 01:07:09,679 --> 01:07:16,800 t locate, ubigate, pay floor price, yes, pay your what' 845 01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:19,320 s called a thousand eight right so yes, yes, we were all. 846 01:07:19,639 --> 01:07:26,639 I stayed in brothers' houses where we slept in a decent one. Oh, 847 01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,960 better. I don' t say the name of the city, in 848 01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:31,880 the city very much in southern Mexico. Not a friend from there, but 849 01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:38,280 he' s a friend from there that' s my band and I were 850 01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:43,920 on the floor in tsarapes there were no tsarapes beds and a bed and he 851 01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:50,440 started passing by a black scorpion, big guy, ay dad, don' 852 01:07:50,719 --> 01:07:55,519 t hear, but make your floor. That' s emotional. I didn 853 01:07:55,760 --> 01:08:00,320 ' t say city in a room either. We were like five men and 854 01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:06,960 women mixed all five in a room and there were two mattresses and it was, 855 01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:12,400 then, to see how you do it. It was awesome. I 856 01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:15,079 remember that you know because they let me sleep in bed, of course, 857 01:08:16,199 --> 01:08:24,560 but it was was integrated I liked a teenage camp. I can' t 858 01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:29,600 believe you' re saying use me, sir, as long as I go 859 01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:35,199 first class, as long as you don' t. Yeah, and I 860 01:08:35,239 --> 01:08:41,439 think when you' re called to that, even if you' re in 861 01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:45,600 tsarapes on the floor, you' re gonna be having a remote time, 862 01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:49,000 I mean, maybe you' re not gonna be out loud, but you 863 01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:51,640 ' re gonna find the purpose of the energy to get ahead. I remember. 864 01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:57,800 Once I went to a place called Cuuspana Tabasco. I was starting to 865 01:08:58,079 --> 01:09:01,880 preach to you and I was told we were staying in a motel. Yeah, 866 01:09:02,199 --> 01:09:05,399 but in a motel. It' s been my turn, but in 867 01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:11,520 a motel of those who use to have estero, it' s on sale. 868 01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:15,239 For now I don' t know if you' ve heard the story 869 01:09:15,239 --> 01:09:17,960 of Hosea and her husband, his wife. Then it was a wave, 870 01:09:18,399 --> 01:09:21,119 it was like a half a whorehouse, of course. Then I remember that 871 01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:27,119 we arrived and it was the brothers of the Church and God Neta are putting 872 01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:31,079 us here and I remember that we were like some musicians and another shepherd of 873 01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:34,800 young people and I remember that it is up to the shepherd of young people 874 01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:40,800 and me in the same room and we came to only one bed and had 875 01:09:41,079 --> 01:09:46,680 some towels in the shape of heart the bed and then in a small plate 876 01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:48,960 in bed, some condoms. Oh, that' s it. I was 877 01:09:49,079 --> 01:09:56,319 saying where I can believe we' re gonna spend the amazing night here, 878 01:09:57,039 --> 01:09:59,239 and that' s obviously what you' re saying. It' s putting 879 01:09:59,279 --> 01:10:03,520 ten thousand hours in it, it' s getting you that floor right that 880 01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:06,800 I think that' s called authority. Not at the end of the day 881 01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:12,640 will anyone come to tell you what it is to make a sacrifice or what 882 01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:16,079 it is to have a passion for the Kingdom, because you have seen it 883 01:10:16,079 --> 01:10:19,159 for many years. You don' t go there, you get involved in 884 01:10:19,239 --> 01:10:30,319 your Church, be humble, serve and give your tithes. You know what? 885 01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:33,800 I mean, my Kim and I are laughing here, because you have 886 01:10:34,159 --> 01:10:41,479 to understand this. Obviously, music is a profitable career, if God wants 887 01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:45,560 it, if you do well, but many times, right now, don 888 01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:47,680 ' t forget that you don' t get well. It' s just, 889 01:10:48,239 --> 01:10:53,079 but since we don' t live in church. It is the people 890 01:10:53,199 --> 01:10:57,199 of the church say ah well not clear, for for what ten and to 891 01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:00,439 me the same are not for the shepherds. They are to make the king 892 01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:06,039 establish us in the city. Not then tomorrow you swim related, tomorrow you 893 01:11:06,079 --> 01:11:10,000 throw that phrase. I was going to say a pe Obviously, I agree 894 01:11:10,159 --> 01:11:14,680 100% with everything you said about winning your apartment right. But, well, 895 01:11:15,199 --> 01:11:16,840 more so, I feel like I should say it. Many times bands 896 01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:21,000 ask for fees, because the people who travel, are leaving their job, 897 01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:26,199 are losing. So if you have a family and sometimes the bigger the band, 898 01:11:26,359 --> 01:11:28,520 then the bigger the ronary because or not, no, no, no, 899 01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:31,720 no, not the bigger the honorarium, because you have to pay your 900 01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:39,199 musicians. But then you also see extremes of people who don' t understand 901 01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:43,319 the concept of so, of a production and what you' re going to 902 01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:46,920 charge a ticket for the concert Wit frames, how it is or the other 903 01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:51,720 is you. I think what you meant by this important little parenthesis, but 904 01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:59,199 never lose the heart of service. I do God. I challenge myself a 905 01:11:59,279 --> 01:12:01,800 lot recently because although I am young, I started well small, I started 906 01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:05,520 well funny, I have almost twenty years of musical career. Hey, you 907 01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:13,079 ' re like the Miley Cyrus of the Christian world. I mean, if 908 01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:15,960 we don' t take care of Chiles. I don' t know if 909 01:12:15,039 --> 01:12:18,319 they saw the Nickelowrion documentary that just came out. But if I don' 910 01:12:18,319 --> 01:12:24,439 t know, if you saw Amanda Vines, we have to take care of 911 01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:27,479 you so that you end up fine. That replica. That doesn' t 912 01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:30,520 apply, but you started very small, I started very small, but very 913 01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:33,399 small. Obviously, it was very different. I mean, what I was 914 01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:40,279 going for was that even though I started as I started a girl, I 915 01:12:40,279 --> 01:12:42,199 ' m on more track. What people imagine they see me and it' 916 01:12:42,239 --> 01:12:45,039 s like you don' t know if it' s too morrilla, but 917 01:12:45,159 --> 01:12:46,359 I do know something and I don' t know what I was going to 918 01:12:46,359 --> 01:12:51,760 say anymore. No, I know. She was going to that many times 919 01:12:53,079 --> 01:12:57,920 we fulfilled and those who invited us did not comply. Oh, that' 920 01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:01,560 s it. That was totally and that' s very difficult, because you, 921 01:13:02,039 --> 01:13:06,600 as you say, leader manager, have to provide for the people you 922 01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:12,119 ' re inviting to do part, and it' s horrible not being able 923 01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:15,760 to, not be able to give them anything or give them something that you 924 01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:18,359 know is not the same as the pay I would have earned if you only 925 01:13:18,359 --> 01:13:19,880 knew ceased, if I had stayed home. But, on the other hand, 926 01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:25,039 what you' re saying I just loved God recently I challenge myself about 927 01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:30,479 how never losing sounds pretty basic. But don' t forget the ministry that 928 01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:33,520 God has entrusted to you, because God didn' t call me to sing. 929 01:13:34,239 --> 01:13:40,319 Singing is the tool you gave me to run the Orto Ministry. But 930 01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:45,840 God has obviously given me the Ministry of evangelizing, of making disciples of that. 931 01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:51,479 But God gives us gifts and gives us also specific calls within the general 932 01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:56,840 call, which is to serve Jesus and call people and worship him. And 933 01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:01,560 lately I' ve been like exercising those different gifts and it' s like 934 01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:03,800 it' s super uncomfortable for me, but we have, but it' 935 01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:06,079 s very nice. We have tried to make it count, that is, 936 01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:11,840 that every city that we are going to meet with pastors and have a time 937 01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:15,960 of administration, we begin to see that because we feel that there is a 938 01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:18,119 saffeta for a next generation. It' s because I' ve seen you 939 01:14:18,199 --> 01:14:23,439 do it. If you do it there, even my parents were benefited managed. 940 01:14:24,359 --> 01:14:29,319 Maybe you didn' t even know not what people are in that room 941 01:14:29,399 --> 01:14:32,920 and what it was going to end up in and now we, for us 942 01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:38,840 is not only the concert at night but in the mornings I ask is part 943 01:14:39,199 --> 01:14:42,880 of the requirement to rent a place and join the pastors of the city. 944 01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:47,520 If only young people want to come because adults don' t want to listen 945 01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:49,720 to me, I don' t care, because they are the future. 946 01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:56,079 Then let us give it and many are already present in their congregations and also 947 01:14:56,960 --> 01:15:00,720 have some kind of social support for the city, the temos. No. 948 01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:03,159 Then. That' s the challenge coming. But, Right now, you 949 01:15:03,199 --> 01:15:08,359 ' re saying something about generosity, if artists also have to practice, not 950 01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:12,159 exactly. No. We can' t ask people to do something we' 951 01:15:12,239 --> 01:15:15,000 re not willing to do. I can' t, as a pastor, 952 01:15:15,399 --> 01:15:17,680 ask people 100% to bring their tithes to the house to the lord if 953 01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:20,199 I' m not doing it. I' m 100%. And the 954 01:15:20,399 --> 01:15:25,439 other part we talked about briefly is that many times we go rather well. 955 01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:28,279 I never forget how many times I came to my house, my wife asked 956 01:15:28,359 --> 01:15:31,800 me and how much I touched you for offering nothing, I never forget once 957 01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:36,439 she tells me she laughs ja and as half it is so fresh to me. 958 01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:44,159 He turned around. He returned to the cooking cause, saying as he 959 01:15:44,199 --> 01:15:46,560 walked toward the thing that is incredible, that you have so many years in 960 01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:51,359 the ministry and it still happens to you that they don' t give you 961 01:15:51,359 --> 01:15:55,000 an offering, that he gives. That' s like a rookie thing if 962 01:15:55,079 --> 01:15:58,520 you wouldn' t think. No. But many years ago and this is 963 01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:00,920 it was passed on to you at cost and to those who are seeing us, 964 01:16:01,159 --> 01:16:06,520 who are ministries, singers bands, they were passed on at cost many 965 01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:13,680 years ago I understood that going and singing and doing concerts was not my provider. 966 01:16:14,239 --> 01:16:18,840 M my provider is still Jehovah, who made the heavens and the fool 967 01:16:19,399 --> 01:16:24,640 will raise my eyes to the amounts from which my provision comes. Look at 968 01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:28,399 Jehovah. The life of my preaching doesn' t come from my concerts. 969 01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:32,319 Well it comes from Jehovah. Then, as Kimmi said, God uses my 970 01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:38,319 voice, my preaching to bring sustenance to my house. But when that sustenance 971 01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:43,439 does not come, God knows my needs something before me and he will take 972 01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:46,479 care of it a month. Well, don' t start fighting amen why 973 01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:49,640 don' t you, no, no, don' t let the lord 974 01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:53,960 fight for you? Because if you' re fighting, God can' t 975 01:16:54,079 --> 01:16:57,479 fight for you, let me fight for you? What' s the rarest 976 01:16:57,560 --> 01:16:59,600 offering you' ve ever had. They' ve never given you an offering 977 01:17:00,239 --> 01:17:05,159 like in kind, instead of condile to me once they gave me some cans 978 01:17:05,159 --> 01:17:11,279 as well as food, No Perez. The funniest offering I' ve ever 979 01:17:11,319 --> 01:17:14,159 received in my life was from a sister in you, Joan. Never forget 980 01:17:14,239 --> 01:17:17,479 the name father, he' s brother. This is your offering of love. 981 01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:23,359 There' s more love than offering, but there he goes. I 982 01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:31,359 loved that very raman and less mame menga. And that' s so good. 983 01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:38,720 It' s good because sometimes I get like little girls' things and 984 01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:40,640 some so interesting. That' s what I' m gonna say. Sometimes 985 01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:45,000 they draw you with a lot of love, yes, but then they happen 986 01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:49,840 to you, as happened to me in Torreón covide with a great man of 987 01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:56,399 God who is already in heaven, his name was Fernando Fuentes, who suddenly 988 01:17:56,479 --> 01:18:00,720 took me the offering, I gave it to myself the room of the hotel 989 01:18:01,039 --> 01:18:05,159 and opened the envelope I felt quite fat, the sun tea. I' 990 01:18:05,239 --> 01:18:10,399 m talking about the year nine hundred and eighty- seven. Wow, I 991 01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:15,399 opened up and there was four thousand dollars, and I went four thousand dollars. 992 01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:17,920 There are so many of them today. Yes, of course, those 993 01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:24,600 years were, and at a time when I was just beginning, we were 994 01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:28,720 waiting for Elena, our daughter, she was so cool. I spoke to 995 01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:34,800 him on the phone because I did the praise in a crusade of Alberto Motes 996 01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:39,920 that he organized in the city of Torreón. Fernando spoke to him It seems 997 01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:45,159 to me that they were confused of offering why marks is that you gave me 998 01:18:45,239 --> 01:18:47,960 an envelope that has four thousand do. That' s probably what you thought 999 01:18:48,039 --> 01:18:51,239 you' d give Brother Alberto. That' s not what I want to 1000 01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:55,039 put in your hands. Wow. This is the offering that God placed in 1001 01:18:55,199 --> 01:18:59,159 my heart to give to you and the saying. But Fernando and I have 1002 01:18:59,239 --> 01:19:03,039 never received such a big ode to my life and he told me you want 1003 01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:08,439 to return it to me, hahahahahaha, because here, here he receives it. 1004 01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:16,159 How can I explain with that offering? We bought my daughter' s 1005 01:19:16,279 --> 01:19:23,479 bedroom. We put some cortinitas with that offering and to this day, when 1006 01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:26,199 I see Fer Chico, his last, who is now the pastor of the 1007 01:19:26,279 --> 01:19:30,119 church, always honors his father because it was the first significant Wau offering that 1008 01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:35,399 I received in my entire life. You don' t forget those either. 1009 01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:40,840 Remember. The Lord is our time provider and will provide you through the good 1010 01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:48,239 Pondright sources, from the most unexpected sources. I love it, says the 1011 01:19:48,279 --> 01:19:54,680 Bible, that seeking God’ s Kingdom first is his righteousness and everything else 1012 01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:58,760 takes its place. Not then. I believe that many of us who have 1013 01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:03,680 started in a line of work and then God calls us ministry, have gone 1014 01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:08,199 through that fear of hejole, that is, I was better off in my 1015 01:20:08,359 --> 01:20:12,760 work before, how it will provide Now, God is calling me to the 1016 01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:16,720 pastorate. God is calling me to serve him in a capacity. He takes 1017 01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:19,199 care of it, he takes care of it. Hey, you do the 1018 01:20:19,239 --> 01:20:24,279 best you can. And so, well, we' re already at the 1019 01:20:24,359 --> 01:20:27,079 end of this episode. My love, no, thank you, you' 1020 01:20:27,119 --> 01:20:29,640 re going to have to split it in two. This was so long. 1021 01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,720 That' s not how people like it, because, yeah, we' 1022 01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:39,640 re going to upload the part of the song on our own, because that 1023 01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:43,560 ' s going to work pretty well. That' s where I want to 1024 01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:45,359 do it again, because I didn' t like it. It was really 1025 01:20:45,359 --> 01:20:49,479 good. A magic of him is always that they always end up mocking each 1026 01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:53,920 other. Now we' re going to have dinner with Mark, yeah, 1027 01:20:55,159 --> 01:20:59,640 we' re going to keep enjoying life, we' re going to build 1028 01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:00,680 the temple, we' re going to build a few rooms for the temple. 1029 01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:05,199 Right. So, thank you for being a part of this season. 1030 01:21:05,279 --> 01:21:10,439 Theo Podcast number seven. Episode one. We have a lot of surprises. 1031 01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:15,880 See you. Thank you Maximo episode, Thank you Mark, or thank you 1032 01:21:16,119 --> 01:21:19,920 for always pushing us and to open our way to share your platform of what 1033 01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:24,119 God has given you and I am sure that a heart would not be the 1034 01:21:24,119 --> 01:21:26,960 same. Yeah, totally favorite, totally. It' s an honor. 1035 01:21:27,279 --> 01:21:30,279 I am, Super Fan See you. Yes, yes, I am, 1036 01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:35,039 Mrs Chao, how can I not be?