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pick Spins coach Spins his brain about
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at the boys' Latin school. Again, this dude knows his stuff. It's

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been really cool to sort of see
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ranks in general. I have known
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nobody who works harder. He is
great people, So it's a fun conversation,

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but before we get started, I
did want to touch on just some

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of the more newsier splash year news
notes that are floating around the league.

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We have rumors about Zach Lavine,
DeAndre Ayton, and then, most recently,

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which is where we begin, Kyrie
Irving and Kevin Durrett and the Brooklyn

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Nets. The New York Daily News
Is Christian Winfield reported that the Nets as

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of now are quote outright willing to
give Kyrie Irving a long term extension he

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holds his player option ahead of free
agency this summer. Their stance is essentially

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that they don't trust his availability,
whether it's because of injury, and it

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does seem like there are some hurt
feelings or there's a lot of bubbling animosity

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over Kyrie's decision to not get the
COVID nineteen vaccine this past season or at

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all yet, which played a huge
role limiting him to sub thirty appearances,

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also played a huge role in not
only Kevin durants gargantuan workload, but James

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Harden eventually forcing his way out of
Brooklyn. Christian wouldn't you have? Also

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reported within that same piece the Nets
have not spoken with Kevin Durant since the

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first round sweep. That of course
lends itself to the question of, well,

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if the Nets really want to move
on from Kyrie Irving, what does

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that mean about Kevin Durant. Here's
the thing, this is where I land.

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The Nets have to keep Kyrie Irving
because they have assuming he wants to

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even come back, because they just
have no other choice. The getting rid

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of him is not a luxury they
have. If they also want to keep

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Kevin Durant and not start over,
it's just not possible for them right now.

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You look at what could happen in
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If he leaves him free agency and
they just get nothing, that's that's disastrous.

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That's just it's disastrous, And a
lot of people put it out,

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well, there's very few teams with
cap space. He's not gonna want to

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sign with Detroit or Orlando or San
Antonio, YadA, YadA, YadA.

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If he really wanted to. This
would be the nuclear measure. But he

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could go sign with, say the
Spurs, and then they could trade him

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once he's eligible to be traded in
the middle of the year and just get

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a bunch of assets for having rented
him for a half season. That's that's

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a scenario that teams in theory could
be open too. I'd be curious to

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see what the NBA's reaction would be
if something like that did happen. But

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Kyrie has done more nuclear things in
the past, like requesting a trade from

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the Cleveland Devil years after three straight
finals appear and one NBA Championship, So

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no, I wouldn't classify that as
a likely scenario. But that is theoretically

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what he could do if he was
trying to box the nets into a corner

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and force them to send him somewhere
he wants to go. And that's the

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other side of all this. They
could sign and trade him and then in

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theory, get compensation for his services. You're not in most cases making out

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like a bandit in those situations.
Maybe that's different this year, just because

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there are so few teams with cap
space that the ability to get someone like

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Kyrie Irving is just so rare.
Someone as good as him, if he's

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going to be available for you on
a night tonight, basis that you are

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willing to give up more since that's
your only pathway to getting him there.

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There has to be a market for
him. And I'm not saying teams won't

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want Kyrie Irving. They want Kyrie
Irving he's the top fifteen, twenty twenty

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five player or whatever when he's fully
available, which he just hasn't been in

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forever. So it's tough to really
peg where he stands within the rest of

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the league star pecking order. There
will be teams that want him, still,

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will there be enough teams that want
him or they're pulling up enough assets

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to really help the Nets restock?
I think that's a fair question, given

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everything that has happened with Kyrie Irving
in Cleveland, now in Boston, then

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now in Brooklyn. And I think
it was I believe it was Zach Low

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who said this, there's probably no
bigger discrepancy in the NBA right now than

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the value between Kyrie Irving on the
court and what teams would be willing to

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give up to get him, or
maybe even the number of teams that would

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be willing to just push all their
best chips in to try and get him.

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I don't believe that it would be
this particularly frothy market. Again,

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there'd be options for Kyrie Irving.
He would absolutely have options for the Nets,

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though, to get back the assets
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that's not happening or stock the roster, stock the depth chart enough to get

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Kevin Durant to stay without Kyrie Irving. That doesn't seem all that likely either,

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You're You're just you're not getting I'd
be flabber guests if they got another

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star as part of the trade.
And so what are you left with after

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that? You're left with Kevin Durant, Ben Simmons who's coming off back surgery

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and by next year won't have played
basketball in more than a year. Some

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solid role players Joe Harris hopefully he's
healthy, Seth Curry, maybe you resigned

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Bruce Brown and Nick Klaxton. Moving
Kyrie should have opened your full non tax

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payersman level. So there's that,
and then the spare parts from the Kyrie

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Irving trade itself. What is that
team in an Eastern Conference that has Boston,

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Milwaukee, Miami, Steven Toronto?
Like, are the Nets better?

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They weren't this year? We can
point that out to you. Okay,

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James Hart was injured, quit on
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Is that team better? Than Toronto. If they are, it's because

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Kevin Durant played in seventy something games
and average thirty seven minutes per games.

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That's not feasible. He has missed
the combined one hundred and thirty plus games

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over the past three seasons. He
turns thirty four and steps he's not gonna

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want to shoulder that workload. And
so you're not deciding, if you're the

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Nets, whether you want Kyrie Irving. You're effectively deciding whether you want Kyrie

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Irving and Kevin Durant. These two
were a packaged deal in twenty nineteen free

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agency. There's nothing we've heard that
makes us believe anything there has changed.

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Again, there maybe is a pathway
to the Nets convincing Kevin Durant that they

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can win without Kyrie, but it's
not particularly likely, and I throw the

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contract here out the window. Grant
is assigned through twenty twenty five, two

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and twenty six without any early outs. The Nets can absolutely move on from

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Irving and then just keep KD.
In Fury Select Superstars. We are always

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going to have a cachet to force
a franchise's hand, no matter how much

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time is left on their deal.
Durant is among that exclusive click building around

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disgruntled top seven players is untenable.
If he wants out, Brooklyn doesn't just

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have to listen. It's all but
obligated to acquiesce. And there's like this,

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there's this idea floating around that maybe
Kevin Durant is just as frustrated with

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Kyrie as the Nets or as James
Harden was. I'm sure it's possible from

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a basketball perspective, but he's come
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he told Vincent Goodwill of Yahoo Sports, you know, earlier this spring,

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that he and Kyrie always going to
be able to work it out off the

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court, and that Kyrie irring is, you know, the relationship there is

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so much deeper than basketball. It
is also the lynch pin of why Kevin

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Durant is in Brooklyn. He's not
in Brooklyn to play for the Nets or

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to maximize his chances at a third
Kid Championship. He's in Brooklyn first and

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foremost to play with Kyrie. He
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Brooklyn if if the Nets get rid
of Kyrie. And here's sort of the

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final thing, maybe this is the
Nets taking a stand against everything that's happened

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over the past couple of years.
Now it's not the time for the Nets

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to grow a backbone. The culture
by committee that was is no more.

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Superstars are their new culture. For
better or worse. It isn't right,

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nor is it wrong. It's the
decision though, that the Nets made years

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ago, then again and again since
and deviating from it now by allowing or

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encouraging Kyrie to leave isn't noble.
It's a reversal that will set the Nets

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back years and it will cost them. Kevin Durant that's just where I land

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and all this. I believe both
Kyrie and Kevin Durant will be in Brooklyn

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next season. Maybe something seismic happens
and it forces the Nets to blow things

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up in the middle of the year
or in a couple of seasons down the

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line. I don't know. But
they don't have the luxury of taking this

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hardline stance on Kyrie. This feels
like a negotiating ploy and it's not an

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especially convincing one to me. And
look just looming over all this, even

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if you say, oh, the
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What are you getting for Kyrie?
We've already gone through that. What are

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you getting for Kevin Durant? Are
there any team would want Kevin Durant,

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But he's still gonna have control over
where he goes. Nobody is acquiring as

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soon to be thirty four year old
old one hundred and ninety four point two

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million over the next four seasons without
receiving that player's stamp of approval. And

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then the teams that will reasonably resonate
with Durant won't be ones that are drowning

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in a plus trade chips or position
to send back mega early lottery picks in

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the summer succumb Two teams that I
think stand out as destinations that might appeal

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to Durant and then also have some
centerpiece building box to throw Brooklyn's away.

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There's Boston if they wanted to put
Jayon Brown on the table, and again,

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they won't necessarily want to do that. Kevin Durant is thirty four,

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that's a like a I think it
might. He's closer than not to a

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decade older than Jalen Brown, and
the Celtics might win the title of this

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season. Yeah, Kevin Durant elevates
that ceiling for a year or two.

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But that's not a given that Boston
would just surrender Jaalen Brown and Kevin Durant

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talks. Let's make that clear,
and then their Phoenix they can go the

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ultra complicated deandret and sign and trade
route. Those are probably the contenders who

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are best suited to win over Katie
and send Brooklyn back a ton of stuff

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that at least sort of gives them
a player who can help service springboard into

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the future. Ironically, the Golden
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Jonathan Kmigo. But that's neither here
nor there. Still, even the most

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aggressive offers, they're not. They're
gonna do a little to reload the nets

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is it's neither hopelessly empty nor ever
enviably stopped asset chest and so here you

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are. If you're Brooklyn, you
have to keep Kyrie. In my mind,

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there's no other option. I will
be smack you in the face surprised

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if he is on a different team
or if he's not on a different If

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he is on a different team,
let's just say he is. I will

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then be shocked if Kevin Durant is
with the Nets through the entirety of next

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that's where this situation seems to be
at and the Kyrie irving rumors. While

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I believe Christian Winfield and maybe you
just don't buy into the notion that Sean

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Marks and co. Haven't spoken to
Kevin rand and Weeks, that's fair,

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that does not negate anything else that
Christian reported, in my opinion, someone

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who has proven very trustworthy in the
past with his line of reporting and his

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insight. So I believe that the
Nets want to believe that they have this

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type of leverage over Kyrie. I
fail to believe though, that this is

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anything more than much ado over nothing
inside Brooklyn, because they just don't have

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the luxury of controlling their own organization
at this point. Again, I'm not

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do what is it the route I
would have taken, the extent to which

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they gave the franchise to these two
stars when you look at signing DeAndre Jordan

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twenty nineteen, then letting Kenny Atkins
and leave in March twenty and then again

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when they hired Steve Asked, and
yet again when they mortgage their future and

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their depth to acquire James Hartman.
Again still when they allowed Kyrie to rejoin

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the team as a part time player
this year. They've come too far down

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this road to turn back, and
so I fully expect Kyrie Irving and by

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extension, Kevin Durant to both be
in Brooklyn next season. We'll go through

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these next two names in zach Levine
and Deandret more quickly. Jake Fisher of

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Bleacher Report did report that zach Levine's
free agency is no longer considered a formality

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necessarily for the Chicago Bulls leading into
the summer, where it was always just

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assumed that he would resign. I
guess a lot of executives around the league

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no longer believe that's the case.
There has also been the report from Sean

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Deviny of heavy dot Com where a
lot of people around the league think that

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all of this sort of hoop laws
being drum up by Clutch Sports as leverage

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in the negotiations. What all of
this points to for me and sort of

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has from the beginning, zach Levine's
non restricted to regions, so if he

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wants to leave, he can.
He can absolutely leave. That's you know,

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that's his prerogative. But when you're
looking at just the guaranteed money difference

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and the fact that he's had injuries
in the past. He's dealing with an

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injury right now. If he signs
a four year max at five percent raises

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with another team, he's looking at
four years and one hundred and I think

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it's fifty seven point four million dollars. If he signs that a five year

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max with Chicago at eight percent races, he is going to be looking at

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two hundred and twelve point three million
dollars over five years versus again, one

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fifty seven point four over four That's
a huge difference. And I think for

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a player like him, you're you're
going to if you are him, what

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I mean is you're gonna want to
just guarantee that money and if you need

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to figure out a way to get
to a new team, you will do

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so later. So what this boils
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will the Bulls offer the full five
year max. That is their their trounce

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card here because they can't. They
can still offer him more money over the

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course of four years, but four
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four years one fifty seven point four
that's not like a huge difference. So

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their leverage is that five year boss. So if you offer it, you

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keep zach Levine. If you don't, I would bank on him leaving.

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I love the teams that have been
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way Portland doesn't. It makes sense, but it doesn't. Why are you

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going through all these hoops to transition
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to Zach Levine, Damian Lillard and
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see the vision there. Atlanta makes
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to get Trey Young moving off the
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the court. I meant to just
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on the court. They don't have
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via trade with Chicago. Would welcome. I'm sure if Facultine actually wanted to

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leave. I do like the idea
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of bandied about, though, as
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it seems is very unhappy in Phoenix. There's just been reporting that's pointed towards

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that, and statements from his agent
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end of their playoff push there was
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head coach Monty Williams calling an internal
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the game. There's a lot of
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the other stuff that's happened, or
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a star down the line, and
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that also, the Suns do not
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plus million dollars per year, and
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stance to take with Eighten specifically,
maybe you I could probably understand it more

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where you feel like you're able to
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cost. Maybe you're getting, you
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DeAndre Ayton for twenty percent to thirty
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on the free agency market. Or
maybe you're just more comfortable going after someone

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who's like fifty or sixty percent of
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turn or something, maybe you're just
more comfortable paying that. Dealing Eighten gets

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really complicated because he will Let's just
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salary. He is going to count
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for the Suns to use him as
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base share compensation rule essentially means that
he's gonna be worth about fifteen point twenty

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five million in outgoing salary, and
so for Phoenix that does not give them

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a ton of wiggle room to take
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without also expanding the move or involving
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players, or involving a third team
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money, or you could just straight
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space, which is why your why
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have the most cap space in the
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watch. I don't the DeAndre eight
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free agent meeting Phoenix has the ability
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It fascinates me more than whatever's happening
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next season. With eighton, I'm
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be bold and say he won't be
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at the restricted free agency landscape and
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and San Antonio feel like they could
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working out a sign and trade,
though Phoenix has to match like they're obligated

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to Max. You can try and
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in trade discussions. And it's so
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so narrow that it's tough for me
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in Phoenix next season. Certainly a
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annual tradition going over the draft and
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What timing could be better but getting
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putting my phone, my Twitter,
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do. Just I love doing draft
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draft stuff because this is actually turning
into a super fascinating draft cycle. Well,

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first, assuming everyone listened to the
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the amount of work that he put
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tea and then all the content he
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hope you actually do put your phone, Twitter, everything away for a couple

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of weeks. You deserve it.
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do that after they try to take
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significant other will dramatically appreciate it.
When you do so, you will hut

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some friendly advice that you didn't ask
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unplug you, especially though I would, I would argue it's it's needed.

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That being said, please let me
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to return to the grind by asking
you about the draft. We have to

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start. I think just with the
big three chet Chet Home Grin, Pablo

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Benkaro, and Jabari Smith, what
is like I've seen them, I thought

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leading in that there would like we
get to a consensus for the number one

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pick and maybe we will be as
more information trickles out. But I've seen

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everyone from Paulo to chet to Jabari
mocked at number one, and so how

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do you sort of delineate between these
three right now? So there are two

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ways to look at that. One
is with the buzz that's creating around the

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NBA and where things are trending from
a consensus, a mainstream standpoint, that

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seems to be going towards Jabari Smith
out of Auburn a little bit more because

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he has a great deal of offensive
upside. You very rarely see guys who

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are six ten or six eleven that
shoot the ball as purely and as cleanly

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as he can, both in spot
ups, picking pops on the move and

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screening actions. He's a really good
isolation scorer in at that size, you

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know, the turnaround jumper, the
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like he just shoots over the top
of anybody defending him. He's essentially a

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really big shooting wing and has a
little bit of fluidity to him. I'm

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not the biggest Jabari Smith fan,
and I know we'll get into that.

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I actually have him fourth on my
overall board, so there's some lack of

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harmony going on between what I'm seeing
and what a lot of other exactives and

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teams and kind of the consensus experts
out there are feeling their way through,

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but Jabari seems to be inching slightly
above everybody else. I think chet Holmgren

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is the one guy who's a lot
to go top two. Still a chance

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that he goes number one overall to
Orlando, but just with his combination of

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length, perimeter skills, defensive impact, he's going to be really valued for

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the Oklahoma City franchise if he's available
at two. And then Paolo Bancaro,

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who's my number one prospect, A
really big fan of his polished offensive Arsenal,

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think that he comes in makes an
immediate impact because he's ready to shoulder

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a pretty strong offensive load, but
not as poor of a defender as some

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outlets may either lead you to believe
or just have bought into. So I

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actually don't think Paulo's defense is anything
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I just feel really really comfortable with
the polished offensive Arsenal and saying that

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he should be the top guy in
this class. I'm in love Apollo and

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I I think probably because I've consumed
so much box in one content, maybe

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you just brainwash me too. I
love him as well. I'm going to

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ask you how you would order them
out, But I feel like we need

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to get when you're looking at how
the teams might draft, to the root

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of how like their impacts might scale
out next season, who among the three

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is ready to have the most immediate
impact on their team. I think polo

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scoring guys who are physically ready coming
to the NBA and are just ready to

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go. Jabari is probably a little
bit more role dependent on guards that are

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going to be able to get him
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that is because he's not a self
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doesn't have a very good handle.
There's something mechanically a little bit different about

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him. He's reliant on guys being
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area, but his best usage is
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kick guy, where he's standing there
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Chet physically, you just you never
know how those guys really you know

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fair at their size and skinniness coming
in year one in the league. So

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I don't think it's a long term
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But I also think that what we
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the perfect team and organization to blanket
him while his body needs that time to

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develop. Jared Allen having another rim
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I think that against situation dependent,
Chet might have that if he goes

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in any of those teams in the
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which seems to be the most likely
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don't know if they'll have that.
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Palo for immediate impact fast. And
I think this is actually an important part

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of discussion that might not get talked
about enough. And we had this conversation

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last year which right didn't draft again. Bring it up again where we're both

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kind of best player available overfit,
especially when you're this high in the draft.

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So I look at and I go, well, who do we think

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among these three five years, seven
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the best player has the highest ceiling, and you in the outline said that

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it was super tough for you to
pick. But who would you lean towards

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if if I forced you to choose, which obviously I am. Yeah,

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I lean towards Chet just because I
think his defensive impact is enormous and I

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know the constraints of the offense that
he played in in Gonzaga that he most

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likely has more to his game than
he was able to show in the system

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that he played in in college.
You know, Auburn and Duke both really

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built their offenses around their top guys, So the farthest away from being able

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to demonstrate what an ideal offensive version
of him is would be chet homeground.

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So because of that, I think
slightly higher upside, but he probably of

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the three has the most clear physical
limitations, So you know that's it becomes

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a risk reward thing. And excuse
me, And look, every franchise has

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some that decision for themselves. I
think best player available is always the way

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to go in the draft. But
when you're convinced that two or three guys

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are neck and neck and in that
same tier, it's less about fit for

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the top guys in the draft and
more about what's the ideal way you want

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to build your organization, what do
you want to build around. Is it

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having that one offensive cornerstone, then
it's probably Palo. Is it the defensive

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cornerstone, Then it's probably Chet.
Is it the high upside guy who also

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is an incredibly valuable role player because
he's an elite three point shooter and has

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some switchable defense, Then it's Jabari. So that's really the risk reward or

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the pros and cons that teams are
sifting through at this point, as opposed

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to trying to figure out who's really
the best player amongst them. I think

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it's pretty neck and neck for a
lot of teams. And when you hear

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Fit in that conversation, it's not
fit with the roster that they have,

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it's fit with the roster they want
to build. I do think what is

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interesting this does skew heavily towards well, this is the roster they have.

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You look at two of these teams
in the top three, Orlando and Houston.

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They're are already I wouldn't call any
of them foundational bigs. But Orlando

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has Wendel Carter junior, Jonathan Isaac. Houston has Alparen, Shane Goon?

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Can these can all can all of
these three bigs that are coming in the

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draft? Can they operate alongside another
big? Or even looking at the rosters

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that they're perspectively going onto, now, is there anything that could be prohibitive

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because they're It doesn't matter, like
if you're bringing someone into a situation in

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let's just say Orlando and you can't
really play alongside Wendel Carter Junior, but

404
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:38,319
you paid him and he's good,
So how are you're not going to play

405
00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:41,599
him? Then you have to stagger
to make it effective? Can all of

406
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,440
these guys since it does seem at
least theoretically up in the air that all

407
00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:49,599
three of these players can also operate
alongside what would be another big and I

408
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,559
want to call it a center or
power forward, but just another big and

409
00:29:52,599 --> 00:29:56,680
I appreciate you not calling it that. Yeah, they definitely can, Yeah,

410
00:29:56,759 --> 00:30:00,039
all three of them in different ways. Right, So I think the

411
00:30:00,079 --> 00:30:07,839
hardest combination to find would be putting
Jabari Smith with a non rim protecting vic.

412
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:12,559
Okay, but you can still make
make it work if you're offensively potent

413
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:17,279
enough that you're just outscoring teams on
the other end, so I think every

414
00:30:17,319 --> 00:30:19,880
guy can fit in with another big
man. I would say that Jabari and

415
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,480
Palo probably have to. Chet is
the only one in long term that I

416
00:30:23,519 --> 00:30:27,839
would say I'd be okay with this
guy playing the five, but year one

417
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,240
he's not physically ready for that role. So I think all of them project

418
00:30:32,319 --> 00:30:36,279
more as a four, and their
immediate impact and how the game evolves over

419
00:30:36,319 --> 00:30:40,240
the next decade, how their skill
continues to move out, or in Chet's

420
00:30:40,279 --> 00:30:42,480
case, how he physically develops,
is going to dictate whether they play the

421
00:30:42,519 --> 00:30:45,720
four or the five, and really
what types of guys are best with them.

422
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,839
That's interesting on polo, and I
know that John Hollinger is called it

423
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,359
spaceball, where it's these bigger players
who can play like smalls, so you're

424
00:30:52,359 --> 00:30:56,000
not playing small ball and you can
kind of throw, you know, the

425
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,480
positional size out the window. But
I look at him and that's that's interesting

426
00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:03,480
that you can there him afore long
term and you know more about more like

427
00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:06,559
a needs a co big man almost
long term to where you're not going to

428
00:31:06,599 --> 00:31:10,759
have him. Is the only big
that's just interesting to me sure, and

429
00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:15,640
I think that that's probably one of
the reasons he's most frequently mocked at three

430
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,960
in a lot of mainstream bars right
now is because they're seeing the need to

431
00:31:18,119 --> 00:31:22,920
have the right guy next to him. What I think is those guys are

432
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,000
easy to get in the NBA rim
protectors who can stand in the dunker spot

433
00:31:26,079 --> 00:31:29,200
or play pick and roll and just
slam it down and provide value. I

434
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,119
think that's an easy acquisition to make. And if that enhances Paolo bank Era,

435
00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:37,000
then why would you steer away from
taking him with the top overall pick.

436
00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:40,359
So how do you? I think
we all know by now, and

437
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,240
anyone who watched Box D once mocked
Draft three point zero knows too, But

438
00:31:44,279 --> 00:31:47,640
how do you have them mocked?
Right now? I have for what I

439
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:52,039
would do Paolo one to Orlando,
Chet two to Oklahoma City, and again

440
00:31:52,079 --> 00:31:56,079
that's the two best players in the
draft in my opinion, and Chet being

441
00:31:56,599 --> 00:32:00,559
that one guy that I really love
the fit in Oklahoma City. And then

442
00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:06,319
I would have Jabari three to Houston. And it does seem like though that

443
00:32:06,359 --> 00:32:07,799
a lot of people believe Jabari is
going to be the actual player that goes

444
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,319
number one to Orland. Yeah they
do, and then Chet two and that

445
00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:15,000
would leave Powow for three, which
you get great fits for Houston either with

446
00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:16,839
Jabari, really with any of them. Yeah, I think Houston's in the

447
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:22,359
driver's seat here and feeling comfortable taken
whoever falls to three. But I think

448
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:28,400
that if Orlando ends up taking Jabari, then both Oklahoma City and Houston wind

449
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,960
up with fantastic fits for their organization. I couldn't be an MBA executive because

450
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,519
if I was in Houston, are
almost welcome the opportunity to be at three.

451
00:32:35,559 --> 00:32:37,799
So I don't have to make the
choice. It was made for me.

452
00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:44,359
Is there. Let's just say Orlando
really convinces people that aren't decided or

453
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,039
that they could take anywhere, or
maybe that they're in love with Chet.

454
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,839
He seems like the guy that almost
needs to go to Oklahoma City or Oklahoma

455
00:32:50,839 --> 00:32:53,519
City like needs him. Would you
consider giving up something small if you're okay

456
00:32:53,519 --> 00:32:57,680
see to go from two to one? Or does it need to actually?

457
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,920
Would it have to be something bigger? If you're like the thing I'm just

458
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,759
thinking about it. If you're Orlando
and you watch you if you don't,

459
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,880
it doesn't seem like they would take
Chet. It just doesn't seem that way.

460
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,039
And if you're not going to take
way, would you just take ken

461
00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:10,640
Rick Williams, Or would okay see
give you like one of their lower level

462
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:15,319
first just to jump that one spot
to ensure that you get Chet just because

463
00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:17,440
you're so close, you're so right
there, or that sort of just a

464
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,480
non starter. Yeah, I don't
know. I mean, I think they

465
00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:24,279
absolutely have to consider it, and
if they are dead set on getting Chet

466
00:33:24,319 --> 00:33:27,680
home, go and make the phone
call, figure out what it costs to

467
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,960
move up to number one. I
think the only fear of Orlando taking Chet,

468
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,359
and the reason he's still somewhat in
play at number one is because of

469
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,480
the relationship with him and Jalen Sucks
two guys that have played together in the

470
00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:42,640
past. And you know, if
they really believe Jalen's the guy to build

471
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,960
around in the future, Chet can
come in and anchor their defense. He

472
00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:50,680
fits their organizational mo which has always
been about length. He's the longest guy

473
00:33:50,839 --> 00:33:54,880
of these top three. So there's
a lot of reason to rationalize the fit

474
00:33:54,960 --> 00:34:00,559
for Chet in Orlando. But I
don't know if right now the rumor mill

475
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,599
is spinning fast enough to try to
say that Oklahoma City has to make an

476
00:34:04,599 --> 00:34:07,279
offer to get up to number one
in order to make sure they get yet

477
00:34:07,799 --> 00:34:10,400
Orlando should absolutely make it so that
they do, though I don't no doubt.

478
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,480
Movie sort of on to the rest
of the lottery topics. I think

479
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,159
we have to begin with Jay and
Ivy, who has been build except by

480
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:24,119
you as the clear number four guy
in this draft, and so I guess,

481
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,679
can I get your general thoughts on
Jay and I it's even no brainer

482
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:30,800
pick at number four, even like, even if we're throwing away the context

483
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:35,039
of the team that's currently sitting there, which I don't know if we can

484
00:34:35,079 --> 00:34:39,000
do, because it's not just because
yes not Sacramento doesn't have a great fit

485
00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:43,400
for Ivy, which they don't like. There are some concerns about him and

486
00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:46,639
Daron Fox playing side by side in
the half court. It's that I'm I

487
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:50,719
am done trying to predict what the
Sacramento Kings are going to do as an

488
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,039
organization. You hear rumors out there
that they're going to try to go all

489
00:34:53,039 --> 00:34:57,679
in and win. Now, their
general manager has not received an extension to

490
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,760
date. He's on a lame duck
contract, which makes it really hard to

491
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:05,159
make the patient pick here, particularly
if your owner knows that they're going to

492
00:35:05,199 --> 00:35:08,199
be teams calling up. What I
believe is that Jade and Ivy is actually

493
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:15,280
a top three prospect in this class. Unbelievable athlete, like tier one type

494
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:20,360
of guard Derek Rose meets John Moranth
type of hops and bursts and athleticism,

495
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,400
particularly in the open court. But
he can go from zero to sixty and

496
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:27,800
just go right around guys. And
it's so impressive that he can handle the

497
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,119
ball at that level and be able
to score shiftedly or powerfully in traffic.

498
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:36,199
Developed a lot as a three point
shooter over the last year. At major

499
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,760
concerns about Ivy as a pick and
roll playmaker, as a scorer in the

500
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:43,800
mid range, those were the two
kind of areas that were knocks on him

501
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,119
coming into this draft cycle. I
think the passing is actually pretty solid.

502
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,639
When you surround him with shooters and
playing the spread, pick and roll and

503
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,280
the mid range stuff, you know, it doesn't look good, but it's

504
00:35:54,519 --> 00:36:01,000
decently effective. So I'm not overall
worried about the concerns never come into fruition,

505
00:36:01,159 --> 00:36:05,960
and because he's such a top tier
athlete at a guard position that's incredibly

506
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,079
important. I really value what he
brings to the table. Now can Sacramento

507
00:36:10,199 --> 00:36:14,079
be patient enough to try to take
a guy like him. I don't know,

508
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,840
but if he's available at four,
he's such a clear cut kind of

509
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:22,840
prospect above everybody else that would be
available, that they're going to get calls

510
00:36:23,079 --> 00:36:27,079
about moving up to get Jade and
Ivy. And it's just a question of

511
00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:31,159
if the Kings think the offer is
right and have a package of a veteran

512
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,920
to really entice them to try to
win more now, which I think is

513
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,000
a mistake, but it's the King's
baby. Let's fire it up. Yeah,

514
00:36:38,039 --> 00:36:40,559
there is. And look just what
we know about the trade landscape right

515
00:36:40,599 --> 00:36:44,800
now, it doesn't seem like there's
a player who's available that would make sense

516
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,519
to trade. There's talk that the
Blazers would give up number seven for Jeremy

517
00:36:47,519 --> 00:36:52,639
Grant, which is just Jeremy Grant
is really good. That is just bonkers

518
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,679
to me, and we'll get into
that in a second. But the Kings,

519
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,360
I can't tell if they were that
in love with the bonus. That

520
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:04,039
was the most bizarre trade. It
felt so random they if they thought that

521
00:37:04,119 --> 00:37:07,840
they needed to make a choice though, between Haliburton and Fox, there's no

522
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,639
way you look at Ivy and Fox
then as a pairing that works, And

523
00:37:10,679 --> 00:37:14,960
so I'm I'm with you that you
should just take if he's on the board

524
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,159
and he is the best player available, just take him. But I could

525
00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:22,880
see the Kings either just moving for
the sake of moving or drafting for fit,

526
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:24,679
and I would argue the former is
probably less detrimental, Like maybe you

527
00:37:24,679 --> 00:37:29,079
could move down if you want someone
else in this draft. And I'm sure

528
00:37:29,079 --> 00:37:30,360
there are teams that want to.
You know, I'd look at the teams

529
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,840
that probably wanted to hop in the
top four and couldn't like the Pacers,

530
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,840
like all the Blazers aren't gonna want
Jaden Ivy, but like there are teams

531
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,280
that should want to, even the
Pistons falling out of the top four.

532
00:37:39,679 --> 00:37:45,199
So unless you're gonna be committed to
a more gradual process, I really think

533
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:50,639
that Sacramento needs to, like,
non detrimentally do something with this pick.

534
00:37:50,639 --> 00:37:52,719
I would say it's moved down because
I don't like any of the actual players

535
00:37:53,079 --> 00:37:57,239
that they could probably get for.
You know, there's even when you're talking

536
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,559
about, oh, it's like if
Bradley Beale wants to like, is Bradley

537
00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:02,199
Beal, Like, yeah, he
helps the Kings, but with the bonus

538
00:38:02,199 --> 00:38:05,880
and Beal and five, like,
what is that absolutely doing for you?

539
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,320
So it feels like the draft almost
begins at number four in the sense that

540
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:14,199
anything can just happen at that spot. Yeah. And one of the reasons

541
00:38:14,199 --> 00:38:17,159
for that is because the top three
teams there in Orlando, Oklahoma City,

542
00:38:17,159 --> 00:38:22,320
in Houston don't need guards, right, it becomes a lot harder to think

543
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,960
about them taking Jade and Ivy in
the top three because they feel so set

544
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:32,159
both athletically and positionally at the same
overlaps with Ivy, so that the draft,

545
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,800
you know, those top three,
the order that they fall in is

546
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,840
going to be important. But the
real madness is going to start at four

547
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:42,679
with trade up possibilities to the Kings
just bite the bullet and take him.

548
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,679
Are they going to be patient enough
and go with the mystery man in this

549
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,119
class Shade and Shark, who's kind
of rumored to be around that top five

550
00:38:49,199 --> 00:38:52,079
area. So a lot of different
avenues. As I say, if you're

551
00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:57,039
trying to predict the Sacramento Kings and
what they're doing, you're an idiot because

552
00:38:57,039 --> 00:38:59,760
you're never going to be able to
figure out exactly what's going on. In

553
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:05,199
the organization, and I'm just that's
going to be a really fun one to

554
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,800
sit back and watch. Speaking as
someone who is a little bit higher on

555
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:12,199
the Fox of Bonus fifth than I
was at first blush. I don't even

556
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,559
think the Kings know what they're doing, so let's just let's just be fair

557
00:39:15,639 --> 00:39:19,119
there. So I invented a prospect
apparently when doing the outline for you,

558
00:39:19,159 --> 00:39:22,000
and called them Jaden Sharp when I
was making this at four in the morning,

559
00:39:22,519 --> 00:39:27,559
Shaden Sharp. What makes him such
a polarizing prospect aside from the is

560
00:39:27,559 --> 00:39:30,880
it anything functionally about his game or
is this just oh, he wasn't in

561
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:35,920
college last year. There's a lot
of the mystery aspect at play. And

562
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,320
it's not just that he didn't play
in college. It's that he was such

563
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:44,320
a late riser of recruiting boards in
high school, kind of more of a

564
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,599
fringe top one hundred guy going into
his junior year in high school, started

565
00:39:47,639 --> 00:39:53,039
to play really well headed growth spurt
athletically turned into a freak, and now

566
00:39:53,079 --> 00:40:00,159
all of a sudden he's going up
up up recruiting boards, finds up to

567
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,599
Kentucky, you know, comes in
a year early and tries to make all

568
00:40:02,639 --> 00:40:07,559
of this stuff work to prepare for
whatever his thought process was. But Sharp

569
00:40:07,639 --> 00:40:14,280
has been polarizing from the college basketball
community that fans of college basketball really don't

570
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:19,559
love the thought of a top tier
prospect coming in practicing or working out with

571
00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:24,000
the team and not having any intention
of benefiting the program by ever stepping foot

572
00:40:24,039 --> 00:40:30,000
on the floor and playing that they
feel like Sharp used Kentucky to essentially be

573
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,280
a elite training ground for six months
to get him ready for the draft and

574
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:38,639
for MBA. So polarizing in a
lot of senses in that regard. Polarizing

575
00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:44,679
as a prospect because he's such a
fast riser and wasn't the clear cut number

576
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,679
one guy you all the way through
his high school career, and then just

577
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:52,239
the mystery of he hasn't played against
legitimate competition in an over a year.

578
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:58,239
So how do we project guys who
go from high school to the pros anymore?

579
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:04,079
That's not something that general managers have
been used to doing, and let

580
00:41:04,079 --> 00:41:07,199
alone something they had success with when
they were used to doing it, you

581
00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:09,599
know, fifteen years ago, when
guys could just declare right out of high

582
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:15,960
school. So he's going to be
polarizing. I love Sharp, because the

583
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:20,559
consequences of missing don't fall back on
me at all. Right, I'm not

584
00:41:20,679 --> 00:41:23,679
I don't have to live with not
getting my next contract. Right, Shaden

585
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,320
Sharp doesn't turn in anything, So
it's a lot easier for me to say,

586
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:31,679
hey, let's just take the swing. But legitimate superstar upside, athleticism,

587
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:37,400
physicality, six to eleven wingspan,
ability to shoot in decent playmaking off

588
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:43,039
the bounce. He's just he's flashed
so many great things that at five,

589
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,400
after the top four guys are off
the board, he's the guy that has

590
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:50,960
the clearest upside. There's just there's
no doubt about that. It's just when

591
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,519
are you willing to take that risk
as an organization? Do you? One?

592
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:58,360
I think that's probably the ceiling on
where if he'll be picked number five

593
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,719
and two, could you see this
just given the concerns and the lack of

594
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,679
sample size over the past year plus
two, every long it's been, does

595
00:42:06,679 --> 00:42:08,719
he have like sort of the everyone
hasn't mocked like in the four or five,

596
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,159
six, seven range now or whatever. Does he have the potential to

597
00:42:12,199 --> 00:42:15,280
maybe even fall last minute? I
think so. I mean, I think

598
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:20,800
anybody that's a wild card has the
ability to fall if you feel really comfortable

599
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,440
with the pieces that are also in
that range in the draft. I would

600
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:31,800
be shocked if he falls past Indiana, just because that's a franchise starving for

601
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:36,760
a star, and they have the
patients in the window and the position will

602
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,320
fit to be able to invest in
him. I just I can't see him

603
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:43,920
getting past Indiana. But I think
he's in play as high as four.

604
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:49,440
It's Sacramento. Yeah, I don't
wish Sacramento upon him. If he's a

605
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,400
project, I hope that he I'm
just I feel bad that I'm saying it's

606
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,760
about King's fans, but I would
prefer to see him in Detroit, India

607
00:42:54,760 --> 00:43:00,199
and literally anywhere else. At this
point, who is the best? Are

608
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:05,360
just going just looping archetypes into here? Who's the better long term investment?

609
00:43:05,639 --> 00:43:07,920
When you're sort of in this area
of the lottery between let's say five and

610
00:43:08,039 --> 00:43:14,440
nine, whatever it is between Benedict
Matherin and Kegan Murray, that's an interesting

611
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,679
one. I think it's going to
depend on what you ask them to do.

612
00:43:17,079 --> 00:43:22,840
So I really like Kegan Murray,
and analytical models love him because he

613
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:27,679
has very few weak spots in his
game. But if you are drafting him

614
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,480
with the intention of turning him into
a top two scorer on your franchise.

615
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:36,519
I think that's a mistake. I
think he's the perfect third cog. Plays

616
00:43:36,559 --> 00:43:42,639
a little bit like a Danny Granger
ish, Pascal Siakamish Tobias Harris ish type

617
00:43:42,679 --> 00:43:46,239
of guy, and I think that
they're best when you have a primary who's

618
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:51,119
a guard around them, and another
guy who can go create his own shot.

619
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,119
Not really, he's more of a
four, kind of similar to what

620
00:43:55,280 --> 00:44:00,360
Paulo was. I think Kegan eventually
will be able to play some smaller five.

621
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:06,400
I think he's skilled enough to play
some three, but really it's just

622
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,320
going to depend about what you ask
Kegan Murray to do. Benedict Mather and

623
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,199
I think has a little bit higher
of an upside at the next level because

624
00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:16,800
he's a little bit more live wire
of an athlete, and I love his

625
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:21,480
ability to shoot, not just catch
and shoot on the perimeter, but as

626
00:44:21,519 --> 00:44:24,719
a movement guy. You know,
if you're a team that already has an

627
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:30,159
established star or two, but they
need space in order to operate, they're

628
00:44:30,199 --> 00:44:34,159
a great athlete and they just do
whatever the explanation is. I think Matherin

629
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,159
fits in a little bit better and
has higher upside there. I think Murray

630
00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:43,679
is a better long term investment for
a team that you know, probably has

631
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,960
the need for versatility in the front
court because they don't have that already but

632
00:44:49,159 --> 00:44:53,320
established stars or ten poles of the
organization at the big and the guards spots

633
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:58,400
already taken care of. And you
said your deem Keegan Murray would probably be

634
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,480
the safer pick. Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely a little bit more

635
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:05,760
of a safer pick. It's not
necessarily that Matherin has higher upside, but

636
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:10,159
I think if both guys hit,
Matherin's role is more valuable. Just I

637
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:15,079
love having movement shooters due to the
gravity that they create and make everybody else

638
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:20,679
better. Looking at AJ Griffin,
should teams actually be concerned about the dearth

639
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:25,719
of things he does outside of shot
making. But it's difficult shot making,

640
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:30,039
is it not? So that's like
if you have to have I don't want

641
00:45:30,039 --> 00:45:32,199
to call it a singular skill,
but if you have to be like limited

642
00:45:32,199 --> 00:45:37,639
dimensionally, like that's the way to
almost be or are there just and I

643
00:45:37,639 --> 00:45:39,920
definitely wouldn't know, but like,
are there any undersould bright spots of his

644
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:44,800
game that aren't being talked up enough
leading into the draft. So to that

645
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:50,119
last question, No, oh man, Yeah, I'm not an AJ Griffin

646
00:45:50,119 --> 00:45:52,039
guy. And it's a shame.
You know. I did a podcast with

647
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:55,559
San Vassini a couple of days ago
and talked a lot about AJ Griffin,

648
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:01,480
and the thing that I keep circling
back is I absolutely loved him when he

649
00:46:01,519 --> 00:46:05,880
was in high school, like thought
he was going to be the next superstar

650
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:12,119
freak athlete, really really high flying
player, skilled, shot the crap out

651
00:46:12,159 --> 00:46:15,800
of the ball, does everything well. He doesn't look like the same guy

652
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,039
that I saw two years ago.
When three years ago when he was playing

653
00:46:19,039 --> 00:46:22,840
in New York City, it's concerning. He does not defend at a very

654
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:27,960
high level. Now he has the
raw physical tools to eventually be able to

655
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,280
get there, but he's so far
behind everybody else in this draft class that

656
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:37,199
it is a legitimate red flag teams
have to be aware of. Dan.

657
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:38,880
I'm going to throw a coaching isn't
match you in a question for you?

658
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:44,639
Do you know what the best ability
is for a basketball coach? Oh?

659
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:50,239
God, No, the best ability
is availability. So when we talk about

660
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,239
the dearth of all of the things
that Griffin might not have in his game

661
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:57,519
right now or the upside to be
able to add them. He's the one

662
00:46:57,559 --> 00:47:01,840
guy with injury concerns, with just
a track record of not always being there,

663
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:07,719
and part of that is bad luck
and just how things have struck his

664
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,119
body over the last few years.
The other part of that is Coach k

665
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:15,199
would remove him from the lineup at
the end of games that do because he

666
00:47:15,199 --> 00:47:17,480
couldn't trust him to be on the
floor in those moments. And if you're

667
00:47:17,679 --> 00:47:22,400
not a guy that's going to be
available when the game is on the line,

668
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,280
that puts a massive ceiling to me
on where I'd be willing to draft

669
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:30,039
you. It's one thing if it's
positional and it's matchups right, like a

670
00:47:30,039 --> 00:47:32,119
big guy who has to be taken
off the floor because the other team goes

671
00:47:32,159 --> 00:47:37,719
five guards. It's another thing when
you're supposed to be this multi positional athlete

672
00:47:38,119 --> 00:47:44,000
who's six six and chiseled and you
just can't find a place on the floor

673
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:51,239
to guard. That's really concerning to
me is the is the shop making him

674
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:55,159
that prolific that because I hear that, I listen to what you've said on

675
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:59,119
the box. In one YouTube channel, I've read stuff on him, and

676
00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:00,639
then I'm kind of just like when
you look at some of these mock drafts,

677
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,320
I'm almost like, Okay, well, then why not just go if

678
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,960
you're a team in this position,
why AJ Griffin over Dyson Daniels, for

679
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,360
example, Like, why is that
something that exists? If he seemed if

680
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:15,159
there are that many red flags attached
to his game. Yeah, I don't

681
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:19,159
think it will end up being that
way on draft night. I think this

682
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,880
is again I mentioned earlier, a
lot of us who are sitting on the

683
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:27,440
outside looking in. We don't have
the fear of repercussions. So putting a

684
00:48:27,559 --> 00:48:31,039
J. Griffin fifth on a big
board is so easy to do because you

685
00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:35,239
see the tantilizing upside. You just
it's easy to sit back and say,

686
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,920
hey, I'm gonna bet on that
guy because why the hell not? And

687
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:42,239
if he hits, he hits really
big. But it doesn't work that way

688
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,559
for NBA teams. I think that
there are three really safe bets outside of

689
00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:51,039
the top five Keegan Murray, Dyson
Daniels, Benedict Mathern. That takes you

690
00:48:51,079 --> 00:48:54,000
down to eight. After they're like
a guy like Jalen Duren from Memphis,

691
00:48:54,039 --> 00:48:59,199
a really talented, high upside big
the right team fit is going to be

692
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,639
important for who it's him, but
really really high ceiling for a big guy.

693
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:08,119
And then now we're talking back half
of the lottery, where these are

694
00:49:08,159 --> 00:49:14,159
teams that are drafting, that are
ambitious about making the playoffs and doing so

695
00:49:14,199 --> 00:49:16,519
a little bit earlier in there,
you know, in the window of when

696
00:49:16,519 --> 00:49:23,360
they make this selection. So Griffin
to me has a ten to eighteen type

697
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,760
of range right now, and it's
probably going to be a little bit on

698
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:31,239
the earlier side because the upside is
there and he's a fantastic catch and shoot

699
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:37,239
prospect. But I worry about a
lot of things with him. I will

700
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,679
say I'm rooting for him to go
earlier than not because I would like I

701
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:44,280
would like the Knicks to take Dyson
Daniels. If I'm trying to be realistic

702
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:45,639
of who could be available, I
don't know if he's still going to be

703
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:51,960
there. Well, Dyson Daniel still
be available at number eleven, Yeah,

704
00:49:52,559 --> 00:49:54,960
would I pay you to say?
Yeah? I wish I could. And

705
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:59,119
the biggest reason I'll say no is
because I think if he is around at

706
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:01,519
ten, the Wizards snatch him up. I think he's a great fit in

707
00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:05,920
Washington next to Bradley Beale. But
he was a big winner out of the

708
00:50:06,039 --> 00:50:10,079
NBA Draft combine last week in Chicago
and private workouts the way that his shot

709
00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:15,199
has continued to progress and looks really
good. I think he's closer to fifth

710
00:50:15,199 --> 00:50:19,000
than he is to eleventh. Well, that's a little bit upsetting, not

711
00:50:19,079 --> 00:50:22,840
unexpected. Do you think that his
jumper is going to come along in the

712
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:27,039
NBA? Yeah, I would,
I would not bet against it. I

713
00:50:27,079 --> 00:50:30,760
think that he's shown decent growth in
that area. I don't love the dribble

714
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,480
pull up stuff, but I think
from a catch and shoot standpoint, he's

715
00:50:34,599 --> 00:50:37,360
going to at least be really solid
where he projects as an incredibly high end

716
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:42,760
role player, great defender, smart
basketball IQ, long, lean finisher,

717
00:50:43,199 --> 00:50:46,599
amazing floater, which is important for
guards to have in their bag these days.

718
00:50:47,519 --> 00:50:52,639
The one thing that's missing to me
is the shooting reliability, particularly off

719
00:50:52,679 --> 00:50:54,639
the bounce, and if that ever
comes, like he's just he's a really

720
00:50:54,679 --> 00:51:00,639
really dependable guy. To sort of
wrap up our lottery talk, what do

721
00:51:00,679 --> 00:51:05,079
you make? And I've seen this
attached to mostly Mark Williams and Jaylen Durn

722
00:51:05,519 --> 00:51:09,320
about why take a center, a
rim running, you know, shot blocking

723
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:14,480
center, someone or even if that
big can do more, but primarily their

724
00:51:14,519 --> 00:51:16,199
role is going to scale to that. Why draft that type of player in

725
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:21,400
the lottery or hire at all when
you can just go out on the free

726
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,280
agency market and probably approximate a more
established level of that When you're not talking

727
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:30,159
about a rookie for maybe even much
cheaper than what their rookie scale is going

728
00:51:30,199 --> 00:51:32,960
to pay them. What do you
like sort of makeup where do you land

729
00:51:34,039 --> 00:51:38,000
on that philosophy? I used to
really lean heavily into the idea that if

730
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:42,519
it's not an elite, elite big
like, don't take them till at early

731
00:51:42,599 --> 00:51:45,199
it's the later part of the first
round. I've kind of changed my tune

732
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:49,480
over that, particularly in this draft
cycle. Maybe that's changing the rules to

733
00:51:49,599 --> 00:51:52,400
fit the way you want the game
to be played right now. But whatever,

734
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,000
I can do what I want.
I guess you know, I like

735
00:51:54,079 --> 00:52:00,400
Mark Williams and Jalen durn as lottery
prospects and value is really more depends on

736
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:05,320
the rest of the draft class and
the importance to the drafting team than it

737
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,039
is just looking at the position and
saying we need to avoid that, Like,

738
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:13,559
if you think both guys are starter
caliber players and talents, then it

739
00:52:13,639 --> 00:52:16,239
becomes a point in the draft when
getting a starting caliber player regardless of the

740
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:22,599
position, is better than swinging anywhere
else. And I think that in this

741
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,400
draft class there's a little bit of
a drop off when you get outside the

742
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:31,639
top fourteen or fifteen, so that
would move them into lottery level talents regardless

743
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:37,079
of the positionality of things. And
at some point it just becomes ridiculous to

744
00:52:37,159 --> 00:52:40,960
pass on pretty safe bets, even
if you say, well, that's not

745
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,320
the ideal way that we would want
to build our roster because we can go

746
00:52:45,519 --> 00:52:50,760
bargain hunting for a similar type of
guy elsewhere. Like I just I think

747
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,360
there is enough upside, especially for
Duran because I view him as being a

748
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:59,480
little bit switchable, that it's worth
making the swing on I have Duran is

749
00:52:59,559 --> 00:53:02,119
I think I ainth on my board
right now and Mark Williams eleventh or twelve.

750
00:53:02,679 --> 00:53:07,760
So you know, two guys that
are are guys I would project to

751
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,920
be starters in the NBA. And
I have a really hard time saying,

752
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,000
just because of my philosophy, I'm
not touching them until the later part of

753
00:53:15,519 --> 00:53:22,360
the first round because I'm against that
position and they don't shoot it well enough

754
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:28,360
to deserve that versatile, functional type
of roles. So I'm starting to change

755
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,000
my tune. I think I've always
sort of fallen on that side of the

756
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:35,679
fence where you found yourself now and
I look at it through this way,

757
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:39,159
and I hate talking about player salaries
in this context, but it is part

758
00:53:39,199 --> 00:53:44,039
of the team building process. I'm
not concerned about doing it when they're on

759
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:46,199
their rookie scales, especially when you're
talking about let's say they take them a

760
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:50,559
tenth that's going to be about a
four year, twenty million dollars deal that

761
00:53:50,679 --> 00:53:53,960
it could be thought like like that's
not that much money. It's do you

762
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:58,760
want to pay that type of player
on his second deal for what he would

763
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:00,599
cost. That's where I think it
becomes were realistic question, and it's why

764
00:54:00,599 --> 00:54:06,159
I think I've seen they've been jokes
throughout NIXT Twitter is like Jericho Sims is

765
00:54:06,159 --> 00:54:08,159
why you don't pay Mitchell Robinson big
time money in free agency? That might

766
00:54:08,199 --> 00:54:13,000
be an extreme, but it's also
right because you've given that player. Mitchell

767
00:54:13,079 --> 00:54:15,719
Robinson was a bargain in itself.
When you look at where he was drafting

768
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,039
his contract. But if that player
can develop. In Mitchell Robinson's case,

769
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,039
where I've seen people compare him like
the Rudy Gobert comparisons aro out the window.

770
00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:25,199
But I think the most egregious examples
I've seen were the I think you

771
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:29,599
and I actually even talked about this, were the Robert Williams the third stuff

772
00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:31,440
where it's like, no, Robert
Williams is more dynamic when it comes to

773
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:35,400
guarding on the perimeter and passing,
among other things. But those are the

774
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,239
two biggest factors that stand out to
me, and Mitchell Robinson really failing to

775
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:44,880
develop any type of feel on the
offensive end, that is an indictment against

776
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:49,480
his next contract. If you're a
team and so looking at the lottery specifically,

777
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:53,000
I wouldn't hesitate, especially if you
think they're the best player, even

778
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:58,840
if you're drafting for fit. If
you like getting a center under lock and

779
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,559
key for that many year years at
that price with some maybe higher upside,

780
00:55:02,679 --> 00:55:07,719
or there's there's depth to develop him, that still seems like a no brainer

781
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:12,320
to me. And I feel like
we've veered too far into the realm of

782
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,480
oh centers or big men or the
new running backs, and it's just it's

783
00:55:15,519 --> 00:55:19,639
not like that for me. Now, I totally agree. I think you

784
00:55:19,679 --> 00:55:22,920
said that pretty elegantly. You know, Durhan, he's eighteen years old.

785
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,440
He's the youngest guy in this draft
class of O my god, yeah,

786
00:55:25,559 --> 00:55:30,880
like he's he's super super young.
So he'll be twenty two years old when

787
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:35,440
his rookie contract expires. So what's
the downside of given him another four years?

788
00:55:35,519 --> 00:55:37,119
Yeah, you're gonna have to pay
a little bit for it, but

789
00:55:37,519 --> 00:55:39,440
monumental upside for what he's able to
do at his young age. And then

790
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:44,199
Mark Williams twenty years old, really
polished and able to come in and have

791
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:50,360
an impact. Typically, the argument
against the four year rookie contracts cycle for

792
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,679
bigs is that in order to be
a starting caliber rim protector, you need

793
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:58,639
like two years of NBA experience.
You have to learn every single angle and

794
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:02,719
call and be incre dependable as a
communicator. Williams is much farther along in

795
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:07,679
that trajectory than most young big men, which is why I say worth a

796
00:56:07,679 --> 00:56:12,159
lottery pick and able to come in
and impact a franchise at least in some

797
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,920
role from day one. Mark Williams
he shot like seventy three percent from the

798
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:21,800
field this year. He led the
NCAA and Dunk's fantastic rim protector and covered

799
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,920
up a lot of mistakes that guys
like Aj Griffin made on the perimeter for

800
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:29,679
Duke. So I think an invaluable
piece in a lot of ways. And

801
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,360
again, if we're talking a starter
or a really high end role player at

802
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:37,079
the end of the lottery, that's
important. Like out of every draft class,

803
00:56:37,119 --> 00:56:40,800
there's usually no more than twenty to
twenty three guys that end up sticking

804
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:46,519
in the NBA long term on second
deals and being valued members of a rotation.

805
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:51,679
So if you believe that he's going
to be that, take him in

806
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:55,039
the top twenty. Like there's there's
very little argument that I think Mark that

807
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:59,920
there are a few people out there
that would think Mark Williams won't turn into

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that type of guy in the NBA. And again just the fact that doesn't

809
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really cost that much, Like you're
not even paying them Javal McGee money.

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But at this point, so and
you have I guess you have Durant over

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Williams at this point on your big
board, correct, I do just leaning

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a little bit more towards the upside. I think it would be easy to

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put Williams ahead because of what we
see now, but Duran's natural tools,

814
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combined with how quickly he learned through
his freshman season at Memphis, give me

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a little bit more hope that he
can get to a higher ceiling. Spins.

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This was fantastic, as always,
you are of that and endless bottom

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was that of information and insight.
I appreciate it. Are you able to

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tell our listeners where they can find
you and all the spectacular work that you

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do. I am willing and able, Dan, Thank you again for having

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me on here, but follow me
on Twitter at the Box end One Underscore.

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Our YouTube channel, Adam Spinella has
NBA draft scatter reports coming out pretty

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much every day, and then we
have a substack page that writes about those

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prospects in longer form as well as
some draft philosophy pieces. That's the Box

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and one dot Substack dot com.
All of our work comes and one of

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those three places, So if you
hit any of those up, you're guaranteed

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to find something that you might disagree
with. The link to the YouTube channels

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into description. I highly recommend anyone
who's going into crash course mode for the

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00:58:16,039 --> 00:58:20,840
draft, like myself needs to check
it out. It's amazing. Spins,

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thank you so much, congratulations in
advance on the wedding, and like we

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said at the top, I hope
that you're able to enjoy it and end

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unplug because you worked really hard.
And I know myself and everyone who listens

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to this around these parts super appreciate
all the hard work that you do.

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Appreciate it.