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Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your
host, Cliff dunning Well. I have

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returned. I have returned from the
California Desert, an area known as Indian

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Wells, California. It's a suburb
of Palm Springs, famous for Bob Hope,

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the stars, Frank Sinatra, many
many, many stars from Hollywood moved

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relocated to the desert to perhaps get
away from Los Angeles. And my guys,

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some of the homes out there are
huge, just monstrous. Contact in

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the Desert was excellent. What a
great lineup of people. I'll be playing

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a number of interviews I conducted over
the four dayes I was there, and

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Destiny will actually get a series of
these interviews, things that are not necessarily

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appropriate for Earth Ancients, but to
a person there, the lineup was excellent.

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As a former program director, I
had a little hand in shaping this

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twenty twenty three program, and as
it turns out, I'm hoping to be

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involved. It looks like I'm going
to be involved the podcast Earth Ancients in

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Future Contacts in the Desert because there's
an ancient civilization aspect to it. It's

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not just aliens UAPs the abduction experience
material like that there was a whole section

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where we had Graham Hancock, man
who says today Rob Neelan talking about ancient

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Egypt discoveries, Mexico and other ancient
cultures around the world. One of the

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fascinating bits of information came from Doctors
Saves the Day where we just learned that

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a new satellite scan was done of
the Great Pyramid. And I'm going to

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be introducing and providing new information in
an interview with man who this coming Saturday

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the tenth, and you have to
see you have to listen to this.

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You got to catch this interview because
he hasn't provided not only the scientific paper

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that was published back late last year, but the graphs that show the interior

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spaces that have been uncovered are also
available, and I'll be posting those images

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and graphs on the Facebook page Earth
Ancients Facebook probably in the next couple of

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days. Very very very exciting.
One of the fun aspects of this is

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the fact that the Egyptian authorities had
nothing to say about it because it was

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in space and apparently for fifteen or
thirty seconds, this highly sophisticated imaging satellite

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was turned on, it passed over
the Great Pyramid at Giza, and my

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god, it picked up some of
the most amazing new aspects, including rooms.

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We get a clearer view of this
big void that everyone's been wondering about.

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And when you hear this interview,
Menu, who's a physician and he's

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an MD, is also actually a
scientist, and his explanation of how and

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what they discovered not only is fascinating, but it really shows and proves Chris

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Dunn's hypothesis that the Great Cheops Pyramid
was a machine. Now you can look

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forward to that this Saturday. As
I mentioned on the tenth of June,

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well, when I present that interview, today's interview is something that I used

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to do, which is the alien
experience or the alien interactions. In the

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late nineteen nineties, I've mentioned this
before, I was the program director for

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Whole Life Expo, which was a
very unusual conference held in San Francisco every

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spring. And what made the program
fun for me was the producer, a

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guy named Kin Kaufman, looked to
me and he knew I was interested in

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a normal and ancient history as well
as wellness, personal growth, spiritual and

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things like that, and he made
me the program director after being in software

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for a number of years. It's
really a funny story. I'm just talking

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about it really quickly. I went
to I was attending Whole Life Expot I

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think it was nineteen ninety four in
San Francisco, and I sat in on

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some of the presentations and I was
very, very impressed, but having an

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event background someone who manages software at
trade shows, I went up to the

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producer King Kaufman during your break and
I said, you know what if you

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had this, this, and this, and you should look at this person,

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this person. I think I stunned
him and he got back to me

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within a week and said, hey, you want a job. And I

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was working in software, you know, and even in those days, the

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money was amazing, and I was
not happy. I was not happy as

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a as a marketing manager for a
software company because you can imagine what kind

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of what kind of language I had
to use, and the brochures and the

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annual reports and the marketing was just
dry as hell and just boring. So

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I mean I was looking for an
escape. So I jumped on it and

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became the program director for Wholeife Expo. I think I want to say nineteen

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ninety five in a Minute ninety three. About eighteen months later, I became

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the program director for Wholeife Expo,
which at that time was two locations,

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San Francisco, Chicago, and eventually
it would go to seven major cities.

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But anyhow, this was fertile ground
for my interests and reading and background studying

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anomalies, and as a program director, I started drawing on the latest research.

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I started contacting publishers and so forth
and so on, and we quickly

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built a two hundred speaker program that
ran over four days in downtown San Francisco,

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and I had a blast. It
was just amazing, and we became

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noted for the type of show that
we produced, which was very much on

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the cutting edge of a number of
topics ancient civilizations, like I said,

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personal growth, spirituality and wellness and
whatever was in between. So really really

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well fun show. But one of
the areas I was very interested in at

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that time was the alien interactions,
the UFOs, so forth and so on.

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And in the late nine mid to
late nineties, there were three major

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people, three major authors who were
doing hypnosis and were regressing people who had

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had in their own words, alien
interactions. The three biggies in the nineties

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were got David Jacob, Bud Hopkins, and the King of the Hill,

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doctor John mac who's a psychiatrist from
Harvard University. Each of them put out

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very, very detailed books on how
people were interacting with off world types.

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These for the most part, were
considered abductions because people were hypnotized or put

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to sleep and either woke up on
a ship, had face to face interactions

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on the ground, or some of
them were shifted into other dimensions or other

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realities and had their experience. This
all came out and a number of books,

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probably the most famous is Abductions by
doctor John Mack, and there's another

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book by Bud Hopkins called Intruders What
You Need to check Out. So this

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has all been happening, and all
these gentlemen, except for David Jacobs,

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have passed on, unfortunately, and
I thought that the whole phenomenon of alien

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abductions alien interactions had died out.
Little did I know with my guests today

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that they have not, and they're
just as frequent, they're just as traumatic.

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And we're gonna hear today from a
woman named Yvonne Smith, who is

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a descendant of these three gentlemen I've
spoken to you about and worked directly with

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Bud Hopkins, who I consider one
of the most amazing people when it comes

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to the phenomena of alien abductions,
so real quickly, why did they have

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to abduct us? Why did they
have to innestsize us or put us to

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sleep before we interact with him?
I think it's a number of things,

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real quickly. I believe that if
you're dealing with a being that's a thousand

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years old, five, you know
whatever, thousands, five hundred years in

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advance of us, they're vibrating at
a higher frequency. Add to that,

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many of these aliens are just scary
looking, huge black eyes, unusual skeletons

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and body shapes. Some of them
are thought to be from a insects species.

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Some of them are tall whites,
some of them are tall grays.

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I think that by itself is enough
to scare people. And then the fact

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that they're interacting with people, usually
at night, because they don't want to

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be seen by other people, by
locals, and also the technology they will

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ansticize somebody and using their technology,
they will lift them out of their bed

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and pass them out the window or
through the door. And then sometimes they

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make the body and transparent, and
they can pass through walls, so forth,

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and so on. It gets really
really fantastic. So anyhow, this

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is still going on, and I
like to call them alien interactions, but

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you're going to hear today that they're
really most of them are forced abductions.

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And the various races that are doing
this have been doing it for probably several

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decades. And again I was under
the impression that it had died down,

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and that's not true. My guest
today, Yvon Smith, will let us

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know exactly what's going on. So
this is my interest, and this is

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a conference program that is kind of
a launching pad for another series I'm going

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to do called The Alien Experience,
which is going to be headed up with

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Whitley Strieber, the author of Communion, who has just finished and released his

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book called Them tem where he goes
much further and begins to describe how the

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visitors are working with people in some
cases in other cases still taking what Whitley

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calls sexual material, and what he
estimates is some kind of a hybrid program

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creating human like beings to either walk
the Earth or perhaps go to other planetary

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systems. We don't know we just
don't know. As a side note,

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any of you will be wondering where
is the government and all of this,

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Why aren't they not speaking of because
it really seems like this is not a

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few hundred, few thousand people.
This could be hundreds of thousands if it's

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been going on for several, if
not more, decades. There's a suspicion

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that this is a generational thing and
families, parents, grandparents, grandparents,

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parents, so forth, and so
on have been involved in this, and

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that not only is sperm and ovum
taken for whatever purposes we don't know,

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but legions of people have been part
of this, and why our government remains

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quiet is a real, real problem. I'll address this when we do the

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Alien Experience series, and I think
it's going to be October. The whole

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month of October. I'm going to
present this. I want you to understand

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this stuff, and I'm bringing it
to you and you might be going,

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Cliff, what the hell what is
this all about? Why? Why this

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is a big deal? I talk
about evolution all the time. I talk

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about where we're going. If there
are off world types on Earth who are

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interacting with us in this manner,
we need to know about it. It

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has to stop being I mean,
we cover up doesn't cut it. We

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need to find out what's going on. I don't have an explanation for why

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our government's not revealing this. And
you'll hear throughout this interview and many others

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during the Alien Experience series that there's
a lot of frustration and I think I

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think it's beginning to come to a
head, but it may not. It

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may remain undercover for many, many
more years. So so today's program is

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about a woman. Her name is
Yvonne Smith. She wrote a book called

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Chosen about fifteen years ago. She
is a hypnotherapist. She works with people

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who have had these experiences known as
alien abductions. She regresses people, she

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helps them release the trauma that can
come out in illness and pain and in

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depression among other psychological issues. And
she's wonderful. She's one of a handful

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of these hypnotherapists that are around the
country, around the United States. And

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at the end she'll give you information
if you feel that maybe that you know

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you've had similar experience, this is
a way really to relieve some of that

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and reduce the trauma. So it's
most people repress it. They really do.

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So. Today's program is with Van
Smith and the title of the program

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is Alien Abductions. Each year Earth
Ancients heads to Mexico for a private tour

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of some of the most intriguing ruins
from the Maya and other Mesoamerican cultures.

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This year, November tenth to the
seventeenth, we'll be heading to Vera Hamosa

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in southern Mexico to see the site
of the omec ruins at Lavina. This

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includes a visit to the world famous
outdoor museum where there are megalists of all

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sizes and shapes. We then head
to Palak in Chiapas and visit this jewel

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of the Maya Empire with doctor Edwin
Barnhardt as our host. We'll be there

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for two days, and then we
head out to Bottompeck, site of one

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of the largest murals left to us
from the Maya Classic period. For more

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information and details on this tour,
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Slash Tours. This is an interesting interview

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I did with Yvonne Smith, who
has been in the UFO field for thirty

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years and she is also the author
of two books. The first book has

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chosen recollections of UFO abductions through hypnotherapy
and her newest book is called Coronado,

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The President, the Secret Service and
Alien Abductions. She founded the Close Encounters

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Research Organization otherwise known as ZERO,
and she's been part of that for over

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thirty years, and that includes SERO
International. She has lectured nationally and internationally

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at a variety of conferences. She
is a very talented hypnotherapist. She worked

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with Bud Hopkins, doctor John Mack, and doctor David Jacobs, each recognized

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as an authority on the alien abduction
phenomenon. Was recorded at the Contact in

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the Desert conference Sunday, June fourth. We're here at Contact in the Desert

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and the theme for the most part, I would say eighty percent of the

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show is on UFOs UAPs alien phenomenon, and of course when we speak of

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alien phenomenon, we're speaking about alien
abduction. And I have found a fascinating

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speaker. Her name is Jevon Smith. And she has been involved in the

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phenomenon for thirty years. And what
a wonderful pedigree you have, you Von,

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and welcome to Earth Ancients. It's
great to have you. Thank you

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for having me. I appreciate it
when I say pedigree. You have worked

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with some of the fascinating people in
the field of alien abduction. Bud Hopkins,

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who you personally. What a wonderful
guy he was, Yes, David

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Jacobs, and of course doctor John
mac these are all mentors of yours.

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Talk a little bit about you're working
with them. It was a wonderful experience

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back in the early nineties. I
really opened up my work and my practice

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in nineteen ninety two, so I
started traveling with doctor John Mack, doctor

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David Jacobs, Bud Hopkins. We
went through, I mean throughout the United

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States and also in Italy. We
traveled over to Italy Bud night. But

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I was just starting out my hypnotherapy
practice, so I became very interested when

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I first saw Bud's lecture before I
even became a certified hypnotherapist, and I

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was fascinated by what he was talking
about and showing his slides of different drawings

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from abductees I spoke to him a
little bit afterwards. And after I became

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certified. I went through year of
school, over a thousand hours of clinical

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work and became certified. And when
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He would stay with my family.
I was married at the time,

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my boys were my two boys were
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very close. We had an extra
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He would be coming out for interviews, and I would drive him to

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the interview and have lunch with him
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I was a rookie and going into
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barely doing an email, so everything
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can imagine with David Jacobson Pennsylvania and
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had to call them. You know. Now we just said a text,

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meet at the bar before dinner and
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questions. I would have your talk. Those guys that are amazing, but

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it is not Let's be a little
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is so traumatic when you are face
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alien craft, it causes PTSD is
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one of the specialties of Yvon works
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be physiological, physical problems associated with
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being passed through the body. This
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the people we're talking about, Bud
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in the nineties and a little bit
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passed away except for Jacobs, who's
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and actually helped people like Yvon developed
their YO therapy practice because Yvon, wouldn't

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you say, hypnotherapies really the front
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unraveling the experience. These people who
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why hymnotherapy is a good tool.
It is a very good tool, and

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I like to dispel all the myths
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they're knocked out, they're blacked out, they're not going to remember anything.

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that as I'm talking to you right
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about twenty percent of the mind power. And we're not talking about brain talking

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about mind power. So I get
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deep into the state of hypnosis.
So you're regressing the relaxing your body,

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right, I'm relaxing them first,
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them into a deep state of hypnosis
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which makes up eighty percent of the
total mindpower. That's why our subconscious

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is very very strong. We all
have that little voice, you know,

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talking to us. I'll eat that
chocolate cake. You know that it's okay,

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you know, it's like it's very
powerful. But a lot of our

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information get stored at our subconscious,
like like we have computers within all of

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us. So I will take that
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in early childhood. So sometimes my
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were five years old back then,
and we start way back and they're living

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in whatever state or even whatever country, and we'll start with that particular time

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and place. I have instances where
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playing in a field and their friends, you know, kind of they kind

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of wanted off from their friends,
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Where are you? Where were you? We were trying to find you.

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comes walking up to them, I
got you know, and does it

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remember or anything? But so I'm
sorry, they're going back to a childhood

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or the earliest abduction experience, your
earliest contact agent and automatic for you when

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you regress that. Well, I
will give my client a choice when they

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come first, I do the I
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just hypnotize them right up the bat. So initial consultation and then we talk

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about what's been happening and what has
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not sleeping like you mentioned post traumatic
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hyper vigilant. Something's going to happen, and you can't live like that.

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It affects a person's everyday life.
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to go back to your childhood experience
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to you a year ago or six
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choice, and it's up to the
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because this is a lifelong experience,
and the experience goes on, it doesn't

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stop. It goes on throughout the
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Von. So, Yeah, what
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report. I think Bud Hopkins brought
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there's others who are more present in
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it's probably something that's generational. It's
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somewhat evidential, although it's not officially
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people like you who are training to
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almost you're barely able to walk.
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which I didn't know, is that
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goes into the perhaps the person's final
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doesn't stop this new. Is this
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life long experience. Once the beings, whoever they are and wherever they're from,

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choose somebody. That's why I call
my book Chosen. Yeah, they

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choose that person, they choose that
family for whatever reason, we still don't

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know yet why that experience follows them
to out their entire luck. Then they

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have children and it'll follow it'll affect
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grandchildren. At every consoleation I do, I always ask about the parents or

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the grandparents, and it's always maybe
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or both. And the grandparents.
You know, I have been getting reports

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of Oh my god, my grandmother
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the kitchen window and she said,
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looking at her like, what are

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you? What are you talking about? It just gets blurted out like that,

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and you know, and this is
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you know, some of them will
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mouth about it. The generation.
You say, I'm sorry, it's very

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intimate. Oh it is, yes, it is. So when they hear

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their grandparents talking about it, you
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I mean, it doesn't surprise me. It shocks them. And then

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they'll ask, I'll i'd take have
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father, and it's usually one of
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siblings, I'd say there's four kids
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them will be affected, or maybe
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goes in your generational So it goes
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working with some of these people for
the last thirty two years, as long

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as I've been doing this work.
So talk about ZERO your organization. You

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formed it thirty plus years ago.
And what's zero means? Zero is close

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Encounter Resource Organization. It's c r
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it is for the purpose of like
binded people coming together to talk about their

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experiences openly without the fear of being
ridiculed, not talking without the fear of

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having public come in. It's the
the For thirty one years, the meetings

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have been kept very private. I
started ZERO in my living room with about

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six people because I realized that working
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they had no one to talk to. Many times, not even a

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spouse, family member, certainly not
a coworker. Let's stop you real quickly,

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understand what happens when somebody has an

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abduction experience. It could be missing
time, or they actually remember their abductors

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or something in that vein. There's
no government agency to go to, is

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there No, Absolutely not, so
they're left to it. It was horrific,

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and a lot of them are not
necessarily the being interaction, but just

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the fear factor, and the experience
is horrific. They are left to their

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own devices, and if they go
to their psychiatrists or psychologist, what happens,

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Some of them are already seen a

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traditional therapist for whatever, you know, life's issues, a psychologist or a

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psychiatrist, and they're afraid that if
they've mentioned this, they're going to be

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locked up, you know. And
so the advantage that i have though as

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a hypnotherapist, I'm almost the last
person they'll come to. It's like they've

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gone through all that traditional therapy for
years and years, they've been medicated,

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and there's still an area that their
therapists cannot tap into. But over the

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years, these therapists have contacted me
and I've received referrals from them, telling

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me, I think this is your
area because they don't want to touch this

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with a ten football. Oh god, they can imagine they're afraid that they're

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going to lose their license, and
they're afraid of their reputation. Why would

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they lose their license for somebody who
has this experience? Why? I mean,

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is it? Because I think it's
so onto the realm of you know,

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what they were taught in college,
what they were taught in doing their

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hours and clinical work. Um,
it sounds crazy to people and they think

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that these people who are reporting this
are delusional. You know, they need

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they need help, they need medication. Well, I think we've we've really

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made some stride strides over the years
since I've been doing this, that more

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and more people have awakened to this
by realizing, Gee, I talked to

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my friend and my friends that he
saw UFO and he thinks he was abducted.

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are saying this to you, like,

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that's my friend I've known for years. I know he's not crazy.

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think, Okay, there's got to be

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something to this. But this,
we really have more of an uphill battle

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still yet to decline, because I
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and it's the government, whatever faction
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they're looking at okay UAPs and they
want they want to identify him as being

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tracked on radar, and you know
the nuts and bolts of it. But

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there's way more to this. They're
not recognizing abductions right now, So tell

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me what your feeling is right now. And I want to preface this next

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question with the fact that when we
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and mac this abduction phenomena was just
in books, made into movies, made

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into it was discussed, discussed.
Has it stopped since they've passed on.

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and prevalence, it's active, and it's

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you know, it's a shame.
In the nineties, I was doing a

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lot of shows with some of my
Serio members because they wanted to interview people

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who have had this experience. We
had the show back then, the show

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Sightings Encounters, Mysterious Universe shows.
The TV shows were on all the time

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and they covered abductions and UFOs where
it's not really being covered these days with

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just a shame, but we were
on We must have been on television on

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those shows once a week once every
two week. I mean we're constantly.

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My living room was turned into a
studio, you know, when they want

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to come and interview me. Right
now, we have shows that are okay,

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ancient aliens. They talk about UFOs, but they don't cover you know,

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the current cases, the phenomenon,
the abduction. But it's a popular

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show, but it's still it's not
covering what we need to cover. Then

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there are a lot of ghost shows
on now, which is the okay,

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ghosts exists, they happen, and
I'll tell you which a lot of people

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don't know, don't understand that UFO
activity contact intertwines with paranormal It's all it's

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like, it's all connected. However
it's connected, I don't know yet,

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but I know that people who have
had contact UFO contact experience have also had

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paranormal experiences. Let's talk about that
in a minute, because there's seems to

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be some dimensional or as you call
it, paranormal halo around some of these

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alien abduction experiences, Like these aliens
work within this dimension of unusual perception and

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working with Whitley, Steber calls him
the Dead in his new book Them,

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he's actually talking about how the visitors
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but it appears to be somewhat showing
themselves more, which I still don't see.

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Let's talk a little bit about And
it was funny because when I when

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I saw you, I go I
was like, you know, even it

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doesn't seem like California is on the
map when it comes to abductions, you

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know what I mean? Talk about
California because we're going to get into some

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people we've had on the show before, like Marion Rudnick from NASA. But

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such a huge state, one of
the next states. I'm a by Mount

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Shasta and there's sightings of UFOs are
on Mount Shasta. But what's going on

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with California? What do you see? There are many sightings UFA activity in

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California, and unfortunately people don't know
that because it's not reported on you know,

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the six o'clock news. This should
be one of the biggest stories.

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But I have people that come to
me that are from or not from but

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live in southern California that many of
them are you know, coming in from

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other states and areas. But we
have a lot of activity in I'm in

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southern California and northern I have people
coming from I'm all over to see me

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and now I do zoom sessions because
of COVID. But um, and I'd

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like to accommodate a lot. I
mean this when I think about this,

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it happens to millions of people.
But in California, we have sightings all

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the time. We have people that
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So it's so we're just as active, you know, as any place else

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that you may have read about.
So it's just it's just maybe the fact

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that because it's not in the news, it's not reported in any large distributed

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00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:49.000
paper and newsletter, it seems to
me like there's nothing happened. But you're

407
00:40:49.039 --> 00:40:52.440
telling me this is just as active
as any place. It's just as active.

408
00:40:53.440 --> 00:41:01.519
Yeah. I mean that's the thing
is that our news channels, newspapers

409
00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:08.719
would ever you know online now,
newspapers and magazines. This should be on

410
00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:15.159
the news every day when people have
sightings. I mean there's been sightings over

411
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:21.400
the ocean many, many times.
I had some of my serial members recorded,

412
00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:24.119
you know, film it as the
ship's passing over the ocean, yeah,

413
00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:32.000
or over the ocean. Some of
them are described as orangey color.

414
00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:37.199
Others. This one that it was
not too long ago, maybe a couple

415
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:43.119
of years ago. It almost looked
like the triangle that was hovering over Phoenix.

416
00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:49.920
It was further away, but you
can see where this thing was not

417
00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:52.599
an airplane, because I say,
an airplane will fly by and you can

418
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:59.320
distinctly see the difference. So you
know, things like that that people have

419
00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:06.400
been experienced seen and unfortunately, the
really the general public should know that these

420
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:09.599
things are flying over us. I
totally agree with you because that would really

421
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:15.440
help not only these experiencers, but
give us an idea of what's happening on

422
00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:22.199
earth with these flyovers, these these
face to face abductions. Give us your

423
00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:28.320
definition of an abduction from visually seen
an aircraft to the actual face to face.

424
00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:34.960
Give us the levels if you can, of the abduction experience. Well,

425
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:40.280
it happens in you know, several
ways. But there's one thing called

426
00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:46.400
the UM oh gosh, what I
drive? So I drove like I'm sorry,

427
00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:55.440
um screen memory, I must be
tired like screen screen screen screen c

428
00:42:55.840 --> 00:43:06.800
R E E N screen which the
alien beings use to high to disguise what's

429
00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:12.119
actually going on. So they'll put
up a facade, fake front or something,

430
00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:17.480
and divert the attention of the actual
experiencer, divert the attention or make

431
00:43:17.559 --> 00:43:22.719
them see make them think they're seeing
something that's that or not. A good

432
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:28.079
example, I'm going to cover this
in my lecture this afternoon. People will

433
00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:31.800
be driving on the highway wherever,
anywhere in the United States, and they

434
00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:37.039
are often with family members, you
know, other people, and they'll see

435
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:40.639
lights ahead of them, blaking lights, and they'll oh, my god,

436
00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:45.719
there's an accident, you know,
wonder would happen. And they're driving and

437
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:52.960
as they approach it often there's almost
like a fog around it, or if

438
00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:57.079
they're driving through, like say,
passing it, yeah, and they get

439
00:43:57.079 --> 00:44:01.840
to the other side, it's almost
like they don't remember. So they were

440
00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:07.400
the experiencers of this facade, which
was like, oh, it's a correct

441
00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:10.960
and it's actually a U it's actually
something else. And I say the blinking

442
00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:15.239
lights right, yeah, you're burches
sea lights, Well those were actually it

443
00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:20.480
was a craft with probably blinking lights
around it. Okay, So when they've

444
00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:25.440
passed it, they get to their
destination and that what's really strange about this

445
00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:34.360
whole thing is that they don't realize
until maybe much later that they arrived home,

446
00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:38.519
maybe an hour or two pass when
they should have arrived home, and

447
00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:45.400
they you know exactly, I mean, they've driven that route many times.

448
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:49.159
They know what, we're gonna be
home by nine o'clock and it's eleven o'clock.

449
00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:53.119
And can you imagine they're, you
know, you're they're wait a minute,

450
00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:59.480
this isn't right, you know,
And they're haunted by this, sometimes

451
00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:05.320
for many years, and but it's
still on their mind. Bubble up.

452
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:10.280
They'll they'll talk to their family members, family members say there's maybe two family

453
00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:13.800
members that were in the car.
They'll see, yah, yeah, I

454
00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:17.000
remember that, and that we were
late, and that it is. Sometimes

455
00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:22.079
the family members don't want to talk
about it. It's like, you know,

456
00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:28.400
it just it's too scary. It's
it makes it real if they discuss

457
00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:35.239
it. So I had people coming
to me twenty thirty forty years later saying,

458
00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:39.239
I need to know what happened.
I know we saw those lights and

459
00:45:39.400 --> 00:45:44.920
but we re late coming home.
Oh. And in addition to this,

460
00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:53.760
they'll have vivid dreams about eyes staring
at them or an entity, you know,

461
00:45:53.880 --> 00:46:00.280
just or flashbacks. That's how the
that's how the subconscious work. So

462
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:04.599
let me let me just talk to
you. So when we say abduction phenomenon,

463
00:46:05.679 --> 00:46:10.440
these are events that happen against these
individuals. Will right now, let

464
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:13.599
me just stop you. I want
to ask you another question. So this

465
00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:17.360
question I'm going to ask you is, have you had any experience with people

466
00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:25.440
coming to you who had an alien
or a hybrid or somebody who eventually identify

467
00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:32.000
themselves as an alien so it wouldn't
be like, Okay, we're gonna a

468
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:38.360
nesticize you so you can't move whatever, which is the classic so called Have

469
00:46:38.559 --> 00:46:47.360
you had anybody who is met or
is allowed to stay themselves without any anesticization

470
00:46:47.559 --> 00:46:55.760
or that's not the word, but
body block and meet with them and maybe

471
00:46:55.800 --> 00:47:00.800
taken somewhere else, like come on
my ship, I want to show you

472
00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:07.000
around or something like that. You
mean in alien form in the grays,

473
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:14.880
they're in that true form, either
a true form or perhaps they are disguised,

474
00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:21.920
and then once the person is told
who they are, then they become

475
00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:23.800
the grays or something. I don't
know. I don't want to I don't

476
00:47:23.800 --> 00:47:28.639
want to dial it up too much, but I'm just wondering if you have

477
00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:32.599
anybody who has that kind of abduction
where they're like, oh, hello,

478
00:47:34.519 --> 00:47:37.320
you know, I'm here to see
you, and yes, I'm an alien.

479
00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:43.559
Is that too? Maybe that's two
Hollywood, because what you're talking about

480
00:47:43.719 --> 00:47:51.559
one across the board pretty much right, is phenomenon that causes a trauma because

481
00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:59.119
they don't know what happened, because
they they know something happened, because oh

482
00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:01.360
my god, why were we so
late? You know, And the first

483
00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:07.280
indication people have asked for that kind
of experience, oh you know, I

484
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:12.280
want to be conscious. I want
to know what happened. There's been a

485
00:48:12.280 --> 00:48:15.880
couple of times where somebody said,
I want to know what happened when you

486
00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:21.599
come through. I just wanted And
the beans did come in, and she

487
00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:25.239
saw them consciously, well, she
was under hypnosis, no, she I

488
00:48:25.239 --> 00:48:31.559
mean she saw them consciously coming through
her sliding glass door. She thought she

489
00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:38.320
was ready to have a conscious abduction
experience, and she wasn't, and she

490
00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:44.000
said it's scared her so much.
She got on the floor in the fetal

491
00:48:44.079 --> 00:48:47.719
position, and she told me that
she came to see me. She said,

492
00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:52.679
I thought I was ready because I'd
been abducted all my life whole interesting,

493
00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:54.760
So she hadn't had the regular abductions. And then when she kind of

494
00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:59.760
mentally said, some of them will
say that I want to be conscious.

495
00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:04.559
I want I don't know exactly what
happens. And I tell people left how

496
00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:07.039
a few people say that, and
then they had a collegious experience. I

497
00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:12.280
said, just be careful what you
ask for. God, I gotta shut

498
00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:14.760
up because it's gonna happen. Hey, Cliff, how are you doing?

499
00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:17.719
I think, and I want you
to talk about this. I think the

500
00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:22.199
physiological differences of body types. And
I've always I've been thinking about this for

501
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:27.639
years because I've had people like yourself, a whole life expert. When I

502
00:49:27.639 --> 00:49:30.159
was a program director and I had
Bud, and I had John, I

503
00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:35.880
had David, and I didn't think
about this until now. But if a

504
00:49:36.039 --> 00:49:39.280
species is a thousand, ten thousand, a million years in advance of us,

505
00:49:40.360 --> 00:49:45.880
their physiology is different. And we
don't talk about the auric field,

506
00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:51.679
the energy field that we have,
but when you're with a round up being

507
00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:54.679
that is that advance, there's a
there's not there's there's more than just the

508
00:49:54.760 --> 00:50:00.880
body that we're dealing with, and
so if you're interacting with an advanced being,

509
00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:08.079
it could be traumatic it could cause
fear. Are you talking about a

510
00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:15.800
face conscious Yeah? Sure, yeah, And so your friends, your clients

511
00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:19.519
who are saying, yes, I
want to, and then the it happens,

512
00:50:21.559 --> 00:50:23.800
and then you know, the poor
woman who falls into a fetal position.

513
00:50:24.039 --> 00:50:28.239
Yeah, my god, I mean, she just she thought she was

514
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:30.960
ready. So I tell people,
be careful what you ask for, you

515
00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:36.960
know. So it didn't. It
hasn't happened often, you know, because

516
00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:44.599
I think I think it's a good
thing that they do block the memory.

517
00:50:45.039 --> 00:50:49.840
They'll block it completely, because memories
will bubble up and then they come to

518
00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:54.360
me and I'm able to access,
you know, the subconscious. But I

519
00:50:54.360 --> 00:50:59.599
don't think I would want to know
everything that happened on the ship, you

520
00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:02.480
know. I don't think I want
to see the instruments they use. I

521
00:51:02.519 --> 00:51:08.599
don't know. I mean, I
wouldn't, you know. I don't think

522
00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:14.239
I would want to know and see
all They used, long needle like instruments

523
00:51:14.599 --> 00:51:20.679
and they play some in your nasal
cavity, you know, in your scalp,

524
00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:28.280
in your temples, the back of
your head. We're gonna take a

525
00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:34.960
short commercial break and give our sponsors
a chance to identify themselves, and we

526
00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:43.320
will return shortly with my guest Yvonne
Smith, speaking on her work with alien

527
00:51:43.360 --> 00:52:24.800
abductees. We'll be right back.
My guest today is Yvonne Smith, who

528
00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:34.679
is a hypnotherapist and the author of
Chosen Recollections of UFO Abductions through Hypnotherapy and

529
00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:40.079
her second book, Coronado, the
President, the Secret Service and Alien Abductions.

530
00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:46.400
We're talking about her experience as a
therapist and the trauma people go through

531
00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:54.920
as they are encountering off world beings. Let's talk about that for a little

532
00:52:54.960 --> 00:53:00.480
bit. What are they typically doing
in your how many people have you progressed?

533
00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:06.039
Oh, thousands, thousands, I
mean, I'm sure, um,

534
00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:14.159
a couple of thousand might be on
the low end. But they are basically

535
00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:22.400
put through an examination by these beings. They are placed on a table um,

536
00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:28.679
they are examined, you know,
from head to toe. They use

537
00:53:28.760 --> 00:53:31.079
different types of instruments that, of
course we don't know what they're called,

538
00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:38.320
but this very typical long needle like
instrument. There usually is some kind of

539
00:53:38.320 --> 00:53:45.280
a little baby like object at the
end. We finally discovered in the nineties

540
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:50.239
that they were implanting people, you
know, putting the needle deep in the

541
00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:54.840
nasal cavity. They're placing it,
you know, near the brain also the

542
00:53:54.840 --> 00:54:00.840
back of their head of course,
in other parts of the body as well,

543
00:54:00.920 --> 00:54:07.119
so um, you know, and
the implants of course, you know

544
00:54:07.159 --> 00:54:12.039
that we can only speculate. Are
they tracking devices? I think that's partly

545
00:54:12.039 --> 00:54:15.719
true. You don't have to have
an implant though for them to find you.

546
00:54:16.159 --> 00:54:21.199
I mean, I don't think they
can find you anywhere, and they

547
00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:25.320
do. The ductees will move,
I mean all the time. They'll move

548
00:54:27.079 --> 00:54:30.840
thinking that they're going to get away. But now it doesn't work. So

549
00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:35.840
I have to be honest with people
and tell them it's a lifelong experience.

550
00:54:35.840 --> 00:54:38.679
It just doesn't stop. It may
lay dormant for a while, it may

551
00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:44.360
not happen for a year or more. But down the line, something else

552
00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:49.679
will happen that it'll shock many people. Like I thought I was done with

553
00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:52.639
them, but then something else happens, I said, And finally I start

554
00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:57.880
telling people, you know, once
you're in their program, they will have

555
00:54:57.960 --> 00:55:00.480
something for you to do. I
mean, I have people in their seventies

556
00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:05.800
late seventies, say, what do
they want with me? Now? I

557
00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:10.079
can't give them eggs? You know, yeah, they That's why I just

558
00:55:10.159 --> 00:55:15.519
I just had to develop this,
you know, dialogue that you're in their

559
00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:19.960
program. You know, they'll they'll
need you and they'll have something for you

560
00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:25.920
to do. Okay. People will
be brought up to the craft. Usually

561
00:55:27.239 --> 00:55:35.320
women like a nursery, may like
taking care of the babies, taking care

562
00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:40.800
of the hybrid babies, giving them
that human touch. You know that they

563
00:55:40.840 --> 00:55:47.119
don't they're not capable of interacting with
these babies. I see it all the

564
00:55:47.159 --> 00:55:55.519
time. Others are men and women
are taking aboard to help those coming in

565
00:55:55.960 --> 00:56:01.000
for probably the first time, calming
them down when they're getting on the putting,

566
00:56:02.159 --> 00:56:07.199
laying on the table there abductees,
they're helping them calm down. They're

567
00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:13.320
helping the alien beans. So I'm
calling this, you know, a graduation

568
00:56:13.559 --> 00:56:16.079
period. I said, you know, you've graduated and see one of these

569
00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:22.480
people have been very traumatized in the
very beginning. And then there's a process,

570
00:56:22.119 --> 00:56:28.519
Yeah, going through the regressions,
attending the support group meetings. You

571
00:56:28.519 --> 00:56:30.679
know, they know that they're not
alone, that there's millions of people this

572
00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:37.639
is happening to, so they choose
different people to bring on board. I

573
00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:44.760
have that in my book in Coronado. Do you think that the government is

574
00:56:44.840 --> 00:56:47.360
aware of this. And here's the
other scenario. You must have known this.

575
00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:54.760
There's certain theories that either Eisenhower are
president or one of the presidents following

576
00:56:54.800 --> 00:57:00.480
Eisenhower signing an agreement that and this
could be complete BS, but I want

577
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:07.679
to hear from you that you that
the Grays or certain species can experiment with

578
00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:14.079
us in exchange for something, either
technology or weapon. I don't know if

579
00:57:14.079 --> 00:57:19.119
it's weaponry or not. But this
rumor has persisted for decades, especially the

580
00:57:19.159 --> 00:57:25.519
one about Eisenhower in the desert meeting
with them, with a certain representative of

581
00:57:25.559 --> 00:57:30.440
this alien collective. What do you
say, Oh, my gosh, I've

582
00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:36.920
heard that since I started in the
field, and I, of course I

583
00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:43.280
don't have any definitive proof that this
has happened. It could make sense that

584
00:57:43.960 --> 00:57:49.199
the government made this agreement because they
wanted their technology. This is back in

585
00:57:49.239 --> 00:57:53.360
about the sixties, you know,
something like that, maybe the late fifties,

586
00:57:54.960 --> 00:58:00.480
and that they made disagreement. You
can abduct our citizens for whatever purposes

587
00:58:00.519 --> 00:58:06.199
you have, but you know,
we want to know about your technology.

588
00:58:06.239 --> 00:58:12.760
And it could make sense because maybe
that's why partly the government has been denying

589
00:58:12.800 --> 00:58:17.280
this all along, that these things
don't exist. Um, you know,

590
00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:21.159
UAPs, UFOs, whatever you want
to call them, they're all the same.

591
00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:24.599
They don't exist. So of course
they don't exist. How could abductions

592
00:58:24.639 --> 00:58:34.079
happen? Um? So I you
know, I have no idea if that

593
00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:39.360
is true. There have been a
lot of what do you call it,

594
00:58:39.559 --> 00:58:46.639
um papers that have been passed around
UM, and they've been analyzed. It's

595
00:58:46.679 --> 00:58:52.639
just the data is just the kind
of typing the documents. Documents. Yeah,

596
00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:54.239
yeah, like m J twelve.
You can go back. You know,

597
00:58:54.280 --> 00:58:58.480
when you start into this, it's
just you go down the rabbits.

598
00:58:59.400 --> 00:59:02.440
I mean, you come out with
more questions and answers. And I thought,

599
00:59:04.760 --> 00:59:07.519
that's not my work. I said, I'm not going to delve into

600
00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:09.159
the government. I'm not going to
I'm not going to request you know,

601
00:59:09.159 --> 00:59:16.199
I'm gonna I'm gonna file freedom of
information requests. I know that I was

602
00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:21.119
meant to do this work to help
people. You're a healer through this,

603
00:59:21.519 --> 00:59:25.800
yeah, but as a healer you
must feel helpless in a way because here's

604
00:59:25.800 --> 00:59:34.199
these thousands of people who desperately need
to be relieved of this event and the

605
00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:38.480
trouble behind it. And to know
that they're not nuts exactly. And this,

606
00:59:39.480 --> 00:59:45.320
you know, doing this for so
many years. I mean, this

607
00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:51.360
can happen. It does happen to
anybody and everybody. They do not discriminate.

608
00:59:52.119 --> 01:00:00.159
It's happened to I've had doctors,
lawyers, scientists that I've worked with

609
01:00:00.199 --> 01:00:07.239
in my in my practice. Um, people that are you know, in

610
01:00:07.039 --> 01:00:13.000
because I live in southern California,
people are in the entertainment industry. And

611
01:00:13.159 --> 01:00:16.000
of course everybody wants to keep it
quiet because you know, people don't like

612
01:00:16.679 --> 01:00:21.920
I don't want to be known as
you know, the abductee and the crazy

613
01:00:21.960 --> 01:00:30.079
one. But they know. But
you know, others have come forward,

614
01:00:30.039 --> 01:00:39.639
Um, Sammy Hagar um uh Francis, Oh shoot, there's a there's a

615
01:00:39.639 --> 01:00:44.360
few of them that have actually said
that they think they've had an experience.

616
01:00:44.960 --> 01:00:50.480
Several people, I mean, you
know, famous people that have signings.

617
01:00:51.159 --> 01:00:55.239
Um, it just takes It's going
to take one or two real well known

618
01:00:55.280 --> 01:01:00.480
celebrities that come forward and say,
you know, I've had the six experience

619
01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:05.320
since I was a little kid,
and this is real. Oh that it's

620
01:01:05.360 --> 01:01:07.280
gonna be okay to talk about it. They're going to have to have a

621
01:01:07.360 --> 01:01:13.199
motivation though, and they're also going
to have to have some form of support,

622
01:01:13.679 --> 01:01:16.360
because even a big name celebrity to
go out on a live and say

623
01:01:16.719 --> 01:01:21.840
I was abducted and this is what
happened, that's going to be very rare

624
01:01:22.119 --> 01:01:25.159
circumstances, you know, unless they
were in a movie that's made et like

625
01:01:25.199 --> 01:01:30.280
Steven Spielberg's movie. And I think
Steven Spielberg's an abductee. I mean,

626
01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:36.000
he's so interested in this subject.
You know, talk a little bit about

627
01:01:36.039 --> 01:01:40.000
the different race of beings, because
I think up to this point, we're

628
01:01:40.000 --> 01:01:47.440
all considering the grays, and these
grays are these unusual, attractive beings that

629
01:01:47.599 --> 01:01:53.360
are at fault for doing all kinds
of very negative things to Earth humans.

630
01:01:53.440 --> 01:02:00.599
But what other beings are involved in
the abduction experience. Well, the ones

631
01:02:00.639 --> 01:02:06.159
that I've come across the course in
my work, we've got the small little

632
01:02:06.199 --> 01:02:09.280
grays that are now in commercials and
you know that, uh, they're in

633
01:02:09.320 --> 01:02:15.159
our consciousness now, but they are
the ones that usually come in and abduct

634
01:02:15.199 --> 01:02:21.599
the person. They'll take them on
board, and then once the person is

635
01:02:21.599 --> 01:02:28.760
on board, they report other beings
there. They'll be taller grays. They

636
01:02:28.800 --> 01:02:31.719
look just like a little winds,
but they're taller. Sometimes they will wear

637
01:02:31.960 --> 01:02:40.000
a uniform type fitting uniform, sometimes
a cape, but not always. And

638
01:02:40.039 --> 01:02:45.519
then there's the praying mantis. Oh
my god, I hear about these insects

639
01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:50.960
and I'm like, are you gotta
be kidding me? They matthis has these

640
01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:58.440
big claws, has an insect head. How the hell are they? They's

641
01:02:58.880 --> 01:03:05.239
still into that. It's a being
that they described as being very tall.

642
01:03:05.960 --> 01:03:08.519
It's got you know, the head, and they call it a Praing Mattis

643
01:03:08.519 --> 01:03:15.280
type because it's got the head of
a pre Mattis with the big eyes m

644
01:03:16.159 --> 01:03:21.800
and he stands usually and I get
him in just about every case I worked

645
01:03:21.800 --> 01:03:24.840
with. You get them now,
oh yeah, oh yeah, they're they're

646
01:03:24.960 --> 01:03:30.079
very prominent in the abduction experience,
and they usually are the ones that are

647
01:03:30.119 --> 01:03:37.800
in charge. They'll come in and
they'll you know, everything's done telepathically,

648
01:03:37.199 --> 01:03:42.360
but they seem to be communicating with
the grays like do this, do that,

649
01:03:42.559 --> 01:03:45.519
you know, and they're standing you
know, back a little bit from

650
01:03:45.559 --> 01:03:51.920
the table, but they're giving direction. Sometimes they will interact with the person,

651
01:03:52.199 --> 01:03:55.639
you know, with the eyes staring
at the person. But they're there

652
01:03:57.440 --> 01:04:04.920
all the time. Um. Also, the the ones that look very human.

653
01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:10.599
Now they we think they're We used
to call them Nordics back in the

654
01:04:10.719 --> 01:04:15.840
nineties. The very human. Yeah, very human, tall, very human

655
01:04:15.880 --> 01:04:20.679
looking. Um now now, I
was talking to David Jacob several years ago.

656
01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:29.920
We think they're those are their perfected
hybrids, you know, because they

657
01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:32.920
could walk. They're probably here at
this conference. You can walk right by

658
01:04:32.960 --> 01:04:39.960
them and you wouldn't even know that
they're you know, aliens at they're hybrids.

659
01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:45.039
The other ones would be a little
obvious. But then there's the beans

660
01:04:45.079 --> 01:04:53.000
that are um like the light beings. They're almost you know, um,

661
01:04:53.679 --> 01:04:59.480
they glow in a way. I
don't come across them often. I mean

662
01:04:59.599 --> 01:05:02.239
I do, but they're not like
prominent like the others. Then there's the

663
01:05:02.360 --> 01:05:09.119
reptilian type who will be there.
I don't come across them as often either,

664
01:05:09.199 --> 01:05:13.719
but they're there. And they got
the scaly skin, they got the

665
01:05:14.239 --> 01:05:16.840
you know, vertical I mean,
I don't think i'd want to open my

666
01:05:16.920 --> 01:05:23.159
eyes and see that in my bedroom. Did so it's like knocked me out.

667
01:05:23.239 --> 01:05:27.920
I don't want to see it,
but they're there. So they and

668
01:05:27.960 --> 01:05:32.920
they all seem to work together on
the ship. They're taken from the abductee's

669
01:05:32.920 --> 01:05:42.239
taken from one room to another for
different purposes. Some are shown pictures of

670
01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:46.440
devastation on our earth, either in
their mind or they'll watch it on the

671
01:05:46.519 --> 01:05:53.880
screen. And they're always told we're
not taking care of our planet, that

672
01:05:54.119 --> 01:05:57.320
general theme, or just me because
I hear that, I mean, because

673
01:05:57.480 --> 01:06:00.000
that's been going on for days,
that's been going on since I've been doing

674
01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:04.639
this for thirty years, your planet, that we need to clean it up,

675
01:06:04.719 --> 01:06:09.960
that we're not you know, we're
not showing it love. But now

676
01:06:10.719 --> 01:06:18.639
with the last maybe eleven years,
I've been hearing abductees saying that they feel

677
01:06:19.639 --> 01:06:25.320
there's something coming soon, that things
are going to change. They don't know

678
01:06:25.440 --> 01:06:30.559
what, but they feel an anxiety. I called it in my book Chosen

679
01:06:30.039 --> 01:06:35.960
the Urgency. Many are saying,
I know I'm supposed to be doing something,

680
01:06:35.960 --> 01:06:40.360
but I don't know what it is, and I'm not happy with the

681
01:06:40.400 --> 01:06:43.280
work that they're doing, their career
that they're in, and they have to

682
01:06:43.400 --> 01:06:49.719
change somehow. Some of acty change
their careers to work more on our improving

683
01:06:49.760 --> 01:06:59.760
our environment. And lately the last
couple years, it seems to they say

684
01:07:00.559 --> 01:07:03.880
it's ratching up whatever it is,
and no one and I've really paid attention

685
01:07:03.920 --> 01:07:11.000
to this because none of the abductees
I talked to have given any date or

686
01:07:11.280 --> 01:07:15.239
year, like going through, Oh
my god, the year two thousand,

687
01:07:15.360 --> 01:07:17.000
you know, all of our computers, We're going to blow up and things.

688
01:07:17.639 --> 01:07:21.320
And then twenty twelve, the mind
calendar that was going to be the

689
01:07:21.400 --> 01:07:25.760
end of the of the world.
Well nothing happened. You know, we

690
01:07:25.800 --> 01:07:30.880
went through this periodically. But I'm
paying attention now because no one is predicting

691
01:07:30.920 --> 01:07:35.880
a date. But they're all saying
the same thing. And people still don't

692
01:07:35.920 --> 01:07:42.440
know each other that are saying this, Yeah, I've been feeling like something

693
01:07:42.519 --> 01:07:46.880
that happened. They will store up
on extra food, extra water, look

694
01:07:46.920 --> 01:07:54.320
at a generator. Nobody's saying either
that you know the world's going to end,

695
01:07:54.480 --> 01:08:05.320
or but they they've been shown pictures
of bombs exploding, building's fallings,

696
01:08:05.400 --> 01:08:15.319
tsunamis. I covered this in some
of my lectures of flooding, and these

697
01:08:15.359 --> 01:08:24.159
are calmly apocalyptic dreams that just about
every abductee has, I guess has been.

698
01:08:24.319 --> 01:08:29.239
Yvonne Smith. She is a hypnotherapist. She has the author of Chosen

699
01:08:30.079 --> 01:08:34.239
and it's wonderful speaking with you if
you could. As a final question,

700
01:08:34.880 --> 01:08:44.239
give us a sense of what this
abduction phenomenon is resulting in. I mean,

701
01:08:44.720 --> 01:08:48.399
Streeber believes that there are hybrids that
are being created to save our humanity.

702
01:08:49.159 --> 01:08:56.119
Another person I've spoken to says that
they want to create beings that can

703
01:08:56.199 --> 01:08:59.399
walk among us. And this might
be going on right now. You give

704
01:08:59.479 --> 01:09:04.600
us you know, there could be
humanoids that are look just like us,

705
01:09:04.600 --> 01:09:12.720
but they're like alien. What would
you say? I know now. And

706
01:09:12.760 --> 01:09:15.840
I couldn't have said this twenty years
ago because it sounded too crazy. Even

707
01:09:15.880 --> 01:09:19.600
talking about the hybridization program sounded crazy. I never covered it on a talk

708
01:09:19.600 --> 01:09:25.039
show and never said anything about it. But I have to go where my

709
01:09:25.319 --> 01:09:30.039
research takes me. Yea. So
I feel that the hybridization program has been

710
01:09:30.319 --> 01:09:35.079
very central to this because people are
being shown these babies and children in different

711
01:09:35.159 --> 01:09:40.079
stages of growth. They're told these
are there. Some of them have been

712
01:09:40.119 --> 01:09:45.399
thanked, you know for these children, Thank you for helping us. I

713
01:09:45.439 --> 01:09:50.239
feel that they are walking among us
now. Really, I've had people say,

714
01:09:50.319 --> 01:09:55.560
you don't, you don't, You
wouldn't. You couldn't tell unless like

715
01:09:55.640 --> 01:09:59.800
they have a conversation with them,
and there's something about their eyes, like

716
01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:05.600
almost like they're reading you, and
they're some of them are very thin,

717
01:10:06.079 --> 01:10:12.000
you know. I had a picture
that one of my clients drew of she

718
01:10:12.159 --> 01:10:15.880
thought she met one and it was
like a movie premiere, and she goes,

719
01:10:16.039 --> 01:10:19.840
I thought he was homeless because the
way he looked just really gone.

720
01:10:19.960 --> 01:10:26.439
But he was very intelligent. He
drove a car, and so she got

721
01:10:26.520 --> 01:10:31.640
some strange feelings about it. There's
been many. My own mother, I

722
01:10:31.720 --> 01:10:39.239
think, had an encounter with a
hybrid in the sixties. This was right

723
01:10:39.279 --> 01:10:45.880
after the Betty Barney hillcase, and
it was she walked into the restaurant where

724
01:10:45.880 --> 01:10:49.760
she was having a coffee break,
very tall, you know, very just

725
01:10:51.479 --> 01:10:56.880
manicured. I mean he looked he
was very they're usually very nice looking,

726
01:10:57.720 --> 01:11:04.840
but this was in she worked and
we lived in a Predomity Hispanic area in

727
01:11:04.960 --> 01:11:10.119
Los Angeles, and my mom didn't
drive, so she worked in her office.

728
01:11:10.760 --> 01:11:14.159
She walked down to the corner where
there was a restaurant for her coffee

729
01:11:14.159 --> 01:11:18.159
break, so there was really nobody
else there, and he walked in and

730
01:11:18.239 --> 01:11:21.680
she noticed him, you know,
like oh, but then she went back

731
01:11:21.720 --> 01:11:27.279
to whatever she was doing and he
comes right up to her and said to

732
01:11:27.319 --> 01:11:30.880
me, I sit here and she's
looking around like, you know, there's

733
01:11:30.920 --> 01:11:35.119
other tables, and she sat down
with her and he looked at her and

734
01:11:35.159 --> 01:11:40.239
he just looked at her and said, why don't you tell him what you're

735
01:11:40.319 --> 01:11:45.039
thinking? And she just said he
was like in my mind, like in

736
01:11:45.159 --> 01:11:50.279
my brain because she was thinking about
someone that she really cared about. It

737
01:11:50.319 --> 01:11:57.359
was her boss. And the way
she said, the way he said it,

738
01:11:57.359 --> 01:12:00.239
it was like she was he took
words, you know, from her,

739
01:12:00.680 --> 01:12:04.840
and she goes, it wasn't like
he was trying to pick me up

740
01:12:04.960 --> 01:12:10.039
or he was very nice, and
but she ran out of there. She

741
01:12:10.159 --> 01:12:15.119
freaked out so bad. She grabbed
her boss, brought him down to the

742
01:12:15.279 --> 01:12:18.479
She was like, there's this person
there and it's like she just she was

743
01:12:18.520 --> 01:12:24.359
just freaked out. Was there?
So she comes in with her boss.

744
01:12:25.359 --> 01:12:29.399
The waitress comes in and she goes, who where's that man that was sitting

745
01:12:29.439 --> 01:12:31.199
with me? The waitress comes in
with her coffee ball. She says,

746
01:12:31.560 --> 01:12:38.079
there was no one sitting with you. Oh that's when my mom really freaked

747
01:12:38.079 --> 01:12:41.239
out. And the boss freaked out. It's like because he knows she's not

748
01:12:41.279 --> 01:12:49.479
crazy and the but the so that
was my first experience was someone encountering,

749
01:12:49.720 --> 01:12:57.920
which I think now was a hybrid
because he was tall, blonde, very

750
01:12:58.000 --> 01:13:02.520
humility, but walking around in a
predominantly Hispanic neighborhood where he would stick out

751
01:13:02.600 --> 01:13:08.680
like a sore thumb. But he
probably when he left there, probably he

752
01:13:09.560 --> 01:13:14.159
disappeared or went into another dimension.
But she never forgot it. And you

753
01:13:14.199 --> 01:13:18.119
know how if you ever listened to
Betty Hill talk about her experience, same

754
01:13:18.159 --> 01:13:23.239
with my mother. When someone is
telling the truth and there's something very traumatic

755
01:13:23.279 --> 01:13:28.720
happen, they don't change the story. It's the same year after year.

756
01:13:29.279 --> 01:13:32.680
Yeah, and up until my mother
died, we talked about I tried to

757
01:13:32.680 --> 01:13:39.760
regress her and she could only go
to a certain extent of describing them.

758
01:13:39.840 --> 01:13:43.399
But it was almost like she wasn't
supposed to remember everything. We could talk

759
01:13:43.600 --> 01:13:47.640
I know hours about this. You've
been wonderful. So how can people find

760
01:13:47.680 --> 01:13:53.560
out more about you? What's your
web address? My website is hypnotherapist evonsmith

761
01:13:53.680 --> 01:13:58.840
dot com. And if they liked, well, my emails on the website,

762
01:13:58.960 --> 01:14:02.520
so they can email from there.
There's forms they could download it they

763
01:14:02.640 --> 01:14:08.479
like to schedule a consultation, an
appointment for regression. And the big question

764
01:14:08.520 --> 01:14:11.520
in regarding that is, if they're
in another country or another state and they

765
01:14:11.560 --> 01:14:15.520
don't want to cut in California.
Are you part of a collective of resource?

766
01:14:16.960 --> 01:14:20.920
I am now doing zoom sessions,
and I've done them for people in

767
01:14:20.960 --> 01:14:28.199
other countries. Okay, good consultations
and regressions, and they have worked beautifully.

768
01:14:28.680 --> 01:14:32.000
After or during COVID, many of
us had to reinvent ourselves. I'll

769
01:14:32.039 --> 01:14:36.640
tell you COVID happened. We were
all locked up, but abductions did not

770
01:14:38.039 --> 01:14:42.520
stop. Oh boy, Okay,
Now you also mentioned that you're doing a

771
01:14:42.640 --> 01:14:46.479
training. Talked about your training.
I'm training therapists who are interested in doing

772
01:14:47.000 --> 01:14:55.079
this work, incorporating some abduction cases
in their clientele. It's the end of

773
01:14:55.279 --> 01:15:00.279
July, over a weekend Saturday and
Sunday. Check out my website if you

774
01:15:00.319 --> 01:15:08.720
would like to sign up. We
need more therapist trained. Please email me

775
01:15:08.800 --> 01:15:12.359
reading the next generation of them right, because you guys are getting long enough,

776
01:15:12.680 --> 01:15:17.960
getting old. I didn't say old. I'm hoping I can have another

777
01:15:18.039 --> 01:15:21.960
thirty two years in this, but
wow, you'd be a wonderful Hey,

778
01:15:23.039 --> 01:15:26.600
Yvonne, thank you very much,
Thank you great to have you. Thank

779
01:15:26.600 --> 01:15:31.319
you so much. I could have
spoken with her for another couple of hours

780
01:15:31.359 --> 01:15:39.920
because it's fascinating, and obviously she's
not giving people's names out. But there's

781
01:15:40.079 --> 01:15:46.439
a lot of different conditions that are
caused by trauma, and somebody might be

782
01:15:46.800 --> 01:15:53.920
having a bad dream and then continually
see these entities and that's kind of a

783
01:15:53.920 --> 01:15:57.560
clue, and then you know,
having daydreams of it and then flashes and

784
01:15:57.640 --> 01:16:04.159
things like that all lead to possibility
of alien contact and ultimate abduction. So

785
01:16:05.119 --> 01:16:13.439
there's also a class of people that
are have fantastic imaginations, and hypnotherapy weeds

786
01:16:13.479 --> 01:16:19.279
that out. So we don't know
now. When the new series in October

787
01:16:19.319 --> 01:16:23.239
comes out, the Alien Experience,
we're going to hear from people who have

788
01:16:23.359 --> 01:16:30.880
had direct contact with alien species,
alien cultures, and in some of those

789
01:16:30.960 --> 01:16:38.680
cases they are meeting with aliens outside
of their craft at a distance. There's

790
01:16:38.800 --> 01:16:46.920
very rare, if ever, real
close contact because you're looking at a being

791
01:16:47.119 --> 01:16:54.439
from another planet and they could have
gravity that's different, they could have environments

792
01:16:54.439 --> 01:17:00.399
that are different, and have cellular
reproduction that's different, and they look different.

793
01:17:01.079 --> 01:17:04.199
So you know, it's going to
scare the hell out of most of

794
01:17:04.279 --> 01:17:09.640
us here. I mean, I
mean, I've always said, hey,

795
01:17:09.760 --> 01:17:12.800
I want to speed this up.
I want to have alien contact. But

796
01:17:12.920 --> 01:17:15.159
you know, oh boy, when
the time comes, what will be my

797
01:17:15.279 --> 01:17:23.680
reaction. I'll go run, run
away. I don't know, I think

798
01:17:23.720 --> 01:17:28.520
most of us would. That's what
we need to have a progression. First,

799
01:17:28.800 --> 01:17:32.600
Let's find the archaeology. Be it
on Mars, be it on the

800
01:17:32.600 --> 01:17:40.279
moon. You know, there's this
whole alien artifact discovery in Mexico where they're

801
01:17:40.279 --> 01:17:44.640
finding all these artifacts. I'm still
not convinced that they're that they're real,

802
01:17:44.720 --> 01:17:50.920
but something like that to make it
easier, some kind of progression from archaeology

803
01:17:51.680 --> 01:18:03.800
to symbology to symbols to radio contact, to the government disclosing that they understand

804
01:18:03.800 --> 01:18:11.720
there's ships and this is the classification
of ships they found the diamond shape,

805
01:18:11.800 --> 01:18:16.399
the triangle shape, the saucer shape, whatever, and then get a sense

806
01:18:16.439 --> 01:18:20.800
of the species, you know,
and then it's just a progression so that

807
01:18:20.840 --> 01:18:27.319
we're all kind of comfortable when you
know, we they land, they come

808
01:18:27.359 --> 01:18:33.560
out of their ships of laughing.
It's not funny, it's it's scary as

809
01:18:33.600 --> 01:18:40.359
hell. But we gotta get going
on this. So I hope you enjoyed

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that. So yeah, there's all. And the other thing is there's all

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kinds of different types of experiences the
abduction experience. As you will hear when

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we get Willie Streber on his program, he has lived through hell. You

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know, he uses words like rape
and you know, sexual penetration and I

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mean it's not pleasurable at all in
his case. And then some of the

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people that he's speaking to. So
when his book came out, Communion,

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it scared the Bejesus out of me, not only the movie, but reading

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the book and following it up with
the letters that I think he got in

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the neighborhood of ten thousand or more
letters from people who responded to not only

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the cover of the book Communion,
but the movie and basically sent Whitley and

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his wife and recollections their own experiences
of being in contact or having an abduction

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experience with off world type. So
lots to come and lots to prepare for.

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So this is this is an important
important data. Hey, if you

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are a fan of travel and you
love what you hear on Destiny and Earth

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Ancients, please consider coming with us
for our annual trip to Mexico. It's

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gonna be in November tenth through the
seventeenth. It's the ancient Maya of Tabasco

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and Chiapis. We will fly into
Vera Homosa, Mexico and then a short

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jot to the Laventa home of the
Olmec. Will be there for a day.

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Then we bust to Plank and some
other sites with our friend doctor Edwin

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Barnhard, who will be hosting some
fantastic hikes and observation of some of these

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temples. For more information, go
to Earth Ancients dot com forward slash tours

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sign up. We're over halfway full, lots of time left, but don't

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wait too long because we're gonna cap
at it about thirty people and mix it

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more intimate. Allows you to walk
with us into some of these areas that

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have not been seen by the general
public. One of the fun things about

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this Polanky portion is that Ed's gonna
take us to some of the uncharted,

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unexcavated temples and pyramids that are on
the outline area of Polank. Remember he

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surveyed the place about twenty five years
ago and concluded and made one of the

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best survey maps of the city that
it was ever conceived of. And I

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think they're using that as kind of
a template for many other cities, so

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come out and join us November tenth
through the seventeenth of this year. From

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more information, go to Earth Ancients
dot com, Forward Slash Tours, t

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O U R S. All Right, that's it for this program. I

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want, I think my guest today, Yvonne Smith, coming to us from

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Contact in the Desert, which was
held in Indian Springs, California. And

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as always my team of Ruth Thomas
and Mark Foster, the award winning producers

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of Destiny, Earth Ancients and Earth
Ancients Special Edition the Archives. All right,

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take care of be well, and
we will talk to you next time.