WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:04.360 This is a commercial, free archive edition of our live radio show that airs 2 00:00:04.440 --> 00:00:11.080 every Friday at noon, Arizona time on openminds dot TV. Welcome to open 3 00:00:11.119 --> 00:00:16.960 Minds Radio with your host Alejandro Rojas, former official spokesperson for the Mutual UFO 4 00:00:17.079 --> 00:00:21.719 Network. Alejandro who has been a UFO paranormal researcher and journalists for nearly a 5 00:00:21.760 --> 00:00:26.839 decade and has logged hours in the field investigating the paranormal up close and personal, 6 00:00:27.280 --> 00:00:31.760 and now Open Minds Radio presents evidence in the latest news regarding the UFO 7 00:00:31.839 --> 00:00:38.880 phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Rojas. Hello and welcome to Open Minds 8 00:00:39.159 --> 00:00:43.640 Radio, where we are bringing the UFO subject into the light of day. 9 00:00:43.679 --> 00:00:48.600 This is Alejandro Rojas and we have another great show. We're back from Mexico, 10 00:00:49.039 --> 00:00:54.280 including our news correspondent Jason McClelland we'll talk about that in just a minute. 11 00:00:54.399 --> 00:00:58.320 And our guest was one of the speakers out there, Donald Schmidt. 12 00:00:58.359 --> 00:01:03.200 He's an incredible guy. He's been investigating UFOs for decades. He was a 13 00:01:03.239 --> 00:01:08.000 co director for the j Allen Heineck Center for UFO Studies. You've probably remember 14 00:01:08.079 --> 00:01:11.519 me referring to Jay allen Heineck many times. He worked for the Air Force 15 00:01:12.040 --> 00:01:19.599 as a UFO researcher. He was also a special investigator for the Heinik and 16 00:01:19.640 --> 00:01:23.439 the art director for the International UFO Reporter. He's done a lot more than 17 00:01:23.439 --> 00:01:29.040 that actually as well. Since then, he has been on the Discovery Channel 18 00:01:29.120 --> 00:01:34.879 several times with a Roswell dig special. We've talked to other people who have 19 00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:38.000 been on that show about that a bit, but this guy is a Roswell 20 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:44.159 probably the guy to interview when it comes to Roswell. He's got all the 21 00:01:44.239 --> 00:01:48.319 details, knows all the people, and he's going to share with us why 22 00:01:49.040 --> 00:01:53.280 this alleged crash of a UFO in Roswell was the real deal and was not 23 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:57.439 a weather balloom. So I'm really excited to have Don on the show. 24 00:01:57.799 --> 00:02:01.480 We'll start off with the face with Don because he's got so much information in 25 00:02:01.519 --> 00:02:06.920 this, but he'll definitely be someone that will have on the show in the 26 00:02:06.959 --> 00:02:13.599 future. Speaking of Mexico, many of you have gotten our first issue of 27 00:02:13.639 --> 00:02:16.680 the magazine, and one of the things we did out in Mexico was get 28 00:02:16.680 --> 00:02:22.319 some great pictures. For the second issue, we've got a great story on 29 00:02:22.479 --> 00:02:28.400 the aspects and some of their omens that Antonio had written. We talked a 30 00:02:28.439 --> 00:02:32.360 bit about that last week, and so we were able to visit tot Wakan, 31 00:02:32.919 --> 00:02:37.080 you know, some of those giant pyramids they have out there, and 32 00:02:37.120 --> 00:02:40.520 that was a lot of fun, and we were out there for Haim Mussan's 33 00:02:40.599 --> 00:02:45.879 conference. We were able to stream it, so it looked like many of 34 00:02:45.879 --> 00:02:50.080 you went to the website to see that and you're able to watch the guests 35 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:53.240 live there. We've also got them recorded, so eventually we'll get them up 36 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:58.039 on our website so you can see them there as well. Because even though 37 00:02:58.120 --> 00:03:01.719 the English about half of them weren't English speakers, the coolest thing was that 38 00:03:01.759 --> 00:03:07.840 they were translated real time into English and some of the non English presentations were 39 00:03:07.960 --> 00:03:14.000 incredible, especially the groups of pilots that they had and their sightings that they 40 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:19.000 shared and the researchers that they have out there with all of the UFO sidings 41 00:03:19.039 --> 00:03:23.520 that they've gotten, because there are a lot of UFO sidings out there. 42 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:25.759 One of the guys who gets these sightings all the time is a Nate guy 43 00:03:25.840 --> 00:03:30.280 named Antonio Erzy. And you know, I got to say we were out 44 00:03:30.280 --> 00:03:32.199 there filming what might be UFOs. We got to look at it closer, 45 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:38.520 but we're definitely seeing things in the sky. So we'll talk to Jason about 46 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:43.960 Mexico, but first let's bring Jason on to do some UFOs in the news. 47 00:03:44.280 --> 00:03:46.680 Good afternoon, Alejandro, Hello Phoenix, and hello world. This is 48 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:53.199 your Open Mind newsbreed for Friday, March twenty six, twenty ten, and 49 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:57.240 updates to a story we've been covering. The mysterious life that we're appearing over 50 00:03:57.319 --> 00:04:00.719 Lake Erie have been identified as lives from incoming jets, according to Tom Wortman, 51 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:04.759 a field investigator for the Mutual UFO Network. The lights were observed, 52 00:04:04.840 --> 00:04:11.000 recorded, and reported by Ohio resident Eugene Erlik for more than non consecutive nights, 53 00:04:11.240 --> 00:04:15.199 and the sighting received extensive press coverage from Fox News and MSNBC. But 54 00:04:16.160 --> 00:04:21.639 even though that's the final word for a muffon, it's still really unsure what 55 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:27.839 the lights actually were because the lights appeared over Lake Erie and at night, 56 00:04:28.600 --> 00:04:31.120 same place, same every time, every night. When I used to fly 57 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:38.120 to Pennsylvania, we used to fly over Lake Erie from Chicago, and when 58 00:04:38.160 --> 00:04:40.839 you make a turn over the lake like we did, we would look like 59 00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:44.079 a light getting really bright and fading out. Right. Those are the kind 60 00:04:44.120 --> 00:04:46.120 of things. We've got a lot in Denver around the airport. People mistaken 61 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:49.240 UFOs for planes, absolutely, and that's usually a sign, you know, 62 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:55.560 if lights are appearing repeatedly, same time every night, so we'll see right. 63 00:04:56.839 --> 00:05:00.360 In other news, last week, German scientists announced that they have created 64 00:05:00.399 --> 00:05:05.439 a three dimensional invisibility cloak. Photonic crystals and special lenses create a cloak by 65 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:12.759 partially bending light waves. The findings are published in the journal Science Crazy. 66 00:05:13.240 --> 00:05:17.879 I mean, the technology is getting pretty amazing, but I think what that 67 00:05:17.920 --> 00:05:21.839 cloak was too. It's just like tiny little microbes or tiny little specks of 68 00:05:21.879 --> 00:05:26.959 gold, right, right. But it's a cool thing to think about, 69 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:30.000 you know. That's something that everybody thought about, you know, the possibility 70 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:31.639 of being invisible. Yep. And while it's a cool thought, it's also 71 00:05:31.680 --> 00:05:35.519 a scary thought thinking about the applications for it. Yep. The first step 72 00:05:35.600 --> 00:05:41.360 is a little piece of golden next step is a Klingon warship. I always 73 00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:46.160 enjoyed their cloaking devices. Also in the news, on Monday morning, Virgin 74 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:53.160 Galactic's spaceship two completed its first captive flight, reaching an altitude of forty five 75 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:57.839 thousand feet the three hour flight. With the success and another major step towards 76 00:05:57.839 --> 00:06:01.759 commercial space flights, there have been no announcements regarding a date when space tourism 77 00:06:01.839 --> 00:06:08.000 flights might begin, but Virgin Galactic has already received forty five million dollars in 78 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:12.920 deposits for space flights from more than three hundred and thirty people. I hope 79 00:06:12.920 --> 00:06:15.560 they pull it off. What happens if they don't, They got to refund 80 00:06:15.600 --> 00:06:17.639 all that. Yeah, right, I think it's really exciting. Wean the 81 00:06:17.720 --> 00:06:21.160 thought of going into space and space tourism. It's really cool. Yeah, 82 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:24.920 and we'll get there eventually. But even when it starts, even if it 83 00:06:24.959 --> 00:06:29.199 starts next year, I'm certainly not getting in line because these people are paying 84 00:06:29.279 --> 00:06:32.680 astronomical amounts to go into space. Just you know, wait twenty years. 85 00:06:32.720 --> 00:06:35.680 It'll be cheap. And I guess it does include like an at least an 86 00:06:35.720 --> 00:06:40.160 over and eight or two day stay at the spaceport. I think so, 87 00:06:40.319 --> 00:06:43.879 and they go through training, and I mean, I'm sure it'll be fun, 88 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:46.720 but yeah, I wouldn't spend the cash on it right now. Yeah, 89 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:48.319 Well, we'll see. They're making huge progress. It's really exciting to 90 00:06:48.319 --> 00:06:55.040 see and in open Minds News. Open Minds is officially launched open Minds Magazine. 91 00:06:55.720 --> 00:06:59.040 We've been accepting orders for the magazine on the Open Minds website for a 92 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:01.759 couple of weeks, but the first shipment went out last week and magazines had 93 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:06.079 begun arriving in mailboxes around the world. Additionally, this week, the magazine 94 00:07:06.120 --> 00:07:11.160 began appearing on the shelves of Barnes and Noble, Borders and other bookstores around 95 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:15.279 the United States. Yeah, it's really exciting. People loved it. We 96 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:18.480 took a bunch out there for the speakers out there in Mexico. They all 97 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:20.519 loved it, and they were all saying, Hey, we want to write 98 00:07:20.519 --> 00:07:23.720 for it. We want to write for it, which we love. You 99 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:26.480 know, anybody out there who feels you're good at writing, you could go 100 00:07:26.519 --> 00:07:29.600 to our website and submit a story idea. You know. We try to 101 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:33.199 stick to more of a news reporting, not opinion. You know, it's 102 00:07:33.199 --> 00:07:38.120 more presenting the facts like you'll see in our magazine. But go to the 103 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:42.839 local Barnes and Noble and pick yours up and you'll be able. I think 104 00:07:42.879 --> 00:07:46.800 you'll be really impressed. The response to this magazine has been phenomenal. It's 105 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:50.120 a really good magazine. Yeah, so I haven't heard from anybody saying that 106 00:07:50.199 --> 00:07:54.240 it's awful. And I have some friends out there who can be very blunt. 107 00:07:55.639 --> 00:07:58.519 I'm sure they'll call. But it is a quality magazine and I'm proud 108 00:07:58.560 --> 00:08:01.600 to be a part of it. For the News, I'm your Open Minds 109 00:08:01.600 --> 00:08:05.680 News correspondent Jason McLelland back to you, Alejandro. All right, great, 110 00:08:05.839 --> 00:08:09.040 So yeah, this magazine, of course, we are very excited about. 111 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:11.480 Like I said, it's in your local Barnes and Nobles, so go there 112 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:15.480 and check it out. If they ran out, then go to the next 113 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:18.680 one. And if they ran out or at each place, tell them, 114 00:08:18.680 --> 00:08:22.720 hey, man, where's a magazine you should order more? So that way 115 00:08:22.759 --> 00:08:28.759 they will because it's an awesome magazine. A lot of work went into it, 116 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:33.960 and the graphic designs are just incredible. We have a great graphic design 117 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:37.120 group that did a great job with it. So not only is the content 118 00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:41.120 great, but it looks beautiful as well. Some of you have probably seen 119 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:45.879 some of the fit on the website, so go check that out. Coming 120 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:48.840 up next, we will be talking about Roswell. We'd be talking about Alan 121 00:08:48.919 --> 00:08:56.120 j Heinik will be talking about old UFO stuff, new latest breaking UFO witnesses 122 00:08:56.159 --> 00:09:01.320 who have come forward, and why roz Well was the real deal and this 123 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:07.759 guy's evidence is pretty dang convincing. So we're going to take a short break. 124 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:13.320 We'll be right back. You're listening to Open Minds Radio on KFNX. 125 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:28.399 You're listening to Open Minds Radio with Alejandra Rojas on KFNX News Talk Radio eleven 126 00:09:28.519 --> 00:09:33.559 hundred. All right, welcome back. I want to remind you too that 127 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:37.200 all of those news stories that Jason talked about earlier in the show can also 128 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:41.440 be seen on the front page of our website, Openminds dot tv, and 129 00:09:41.480 --> 00:09:46.320 we update that on a nearly daily basis. I was a little out of 130 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:50.759 sorts this week here and there, so it was slower, it wasn't updated 131 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:54.399 as quickly as usual, but it has been updated. And there's a very 132 00:09:54.440 --> 00:10:00.720 interesting story about UFO wave that happened in nineteen fifty f more where the mayor 133 00:10:00.759 --> 00:10:05.000 tried to ban these things in this whole incident inspired a whine, so kind 134 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:11.799 of a neat story. But now we have our special guest, Don Schmid. 135 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:15.559 Are you on the line, Elejandro, Yes, Hello, it's great 136 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:18.519 to hear from you. Good to talk to you again. So you didn't 137 00:10:18.559 --> 00:10:24.879 fare so well after the last trip, but unfortunately this one got me. 138 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:30.000 That last burrito you had, I know a lot. I think I got 139 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:33.559 it on the plane, you know. And it just seems wise to wear 140 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:37.279 a respirator when you're traveling internationally on a plane. I think I hear that. 141 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:41.200 I hear that more and more, and I'm surprised that more of us 142 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:46.360 don't take ill considering maybe one we're in contact with. But I'm glad. 143 00:10:46.480 --> 00:10:50.320 Yeah, that was nothing I want to go through again. Well, it's 144 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:52.519 good to talk to you again. It was a lot of fun to hang 145 00:10:52.559 --> 00:10:56.080 out with you for a little while there in Mexico City. It was. 146 00:10:56.200 --> 00:10:58.759 Yeah, I enjoyed it as well. Uh huh. And as far as 147 00:10:58.799 --> 00:11:01.279 you know, you know, one of the things the main subject I believe 148 00:11:01.279 --> 00:11:05.720 you talked about after was Roswell. And do you get the feeling that Mexico 149 00:11:05.919 --> 00:11:13.159 is as up to speed on the whole Roswell's legend as we are out here. 150 00:11:13.240 --> 00:11:16.639 Well, and you consider that it isn't you know that far. I'm 151 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:26.039 actually here up in Wisconsin, further from Roswell than most of Mexico. I 152 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:30.720 think that, especially going back even to that time in nineteen forty seven, 153 00:11:30.799 --> 00:11:35.600 there were a good number of people of Hispanic persuasions who were even involved. 154 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:41.440 There were a lot of Hispanic station at the base of Roswell at that time, 155 00:11:41.080 --> 00:11:46.519 and even a lot of the ranch hands civilians who were involved. Even 156 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:52.159 the famous doctor Lincoln la Pause, the famous meteor expert of the University of 157 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:56.639 Albuquerque, New Mexico and Albuquerque, would come in later that fall, assigned 158 00:11:56.639 --> 00:12:05.039 from Washington to go out into the field and actually determine the speed and trajectory 159 00:12:05.159 --> 00:12:11.360 of this this crashed object. Well, I find it amusing that how would 160 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:16.279 you why would anybody be concerned about determining speed and trajectory of a weather balloon 161 00:12:18.159 --> 00:12:22.720 right now? The official explanation was this the professor who believe he believed at 162 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:28.399 first that it was something technology and then he changes story later. No, 163 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:33.000 in fact, he never changed his story. In fact, one of the 164 00:12:33.039 --> 00:12:39.080 counter intelligence noncommissioned officer, Sergeant Lewis Rickett, was assigned to assist him in 165 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:46.960 the field for three weeks and the Pause because of his meteor exploration he believed 166 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:52.519 in the technique of triangulation and in that fashion, that manner, by interviewing 167 00:12:52.799 --> 00:13:00.120 enough witnesses, you would triangulate, and then you would be able to the 168 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:05.679 term and precisely were something impacted where it came down. And that's precisely what 169 00:13:05.759 --> 00:13:11.240 he did regarding the Roswell crash. He spoke to enough of the ranchers and 170 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:18.559 surrounding people, and that's how he made his judgments as far as how fast, 171 00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:24.440 at what angle and precisely what trajectory this came in. And according to 172 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:28.960 Rickett, who I had interviewed quite a few times before he died, he 173 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:35.159 did not see the final report that Lapause sent to Washington, but Lapause told 174 00:13:35.200 --> 00:13:41.039 him he was convinced it was interplanetary. Wow. And that was the word 175 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:45.679 they used back then. We had no knowledge of our solar system as we 176 00:13:45.759 --> 00:13:48.759 did within an next, you know, fifteen years thereafter. But back in 177 00:13:48.879 --> 00:13:54.320 forty seven, that was the word. It wasn't exterrestrial, it was interplanetary. 178 00:13:54.399 --> 00:13:58.240 Nonetheless, it was still something off this planet. Right. So find 179 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:03.799 now, how many witnesses have you spoke to, witnesses that you you believe 180 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:11.320 are legitimate. We have to date spoken to over six hundred wheople either first, 181 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:16.960 second, or third hand involved. And that's over the last twenty one 182 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:22.720 years, and we only intensify our search for these people. And as you've 183 00:14:22.759 --> 00:14:26.360 heard me say, Alhandra, we're racing with the undertaker, the World War 184 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:31.399 two generation. You know, the attrition rate is only intensifying each day. 185 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:37.120 We're losing at the rate of fifteen hundred every twenty four hours. Wow. 186 00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:43.559 And sadly, so many of these people take all of their secrets with them, 187 00:14:43.559 --> 00:14:48.320 and that's why we afford them that one last opportunity to finally, you 188 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:52.279 know, go on the record and tell the truth. Tell the truth for 189 00:14:52.320 --> 00:14:56.799 their families, tell the truth for their their fellow countrymen, their very country 190 00:14:56.840 --> 00:15:00.519 itself. I think we all deserve to know what actually happened. And you've 191 00:15:00.559 --> 00:15:07.399 had some success there with some deathbed confessions. We are now approaching twenty deathbed 192 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:15.440 confessions. And invariably they all talk about the little men, the little people. 193 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:20.399 That seems to be the big secret in all this, the fact that 194 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:26.639 there were bodies involved. It wasn't anything that was unmanned in that regard. 195 00:15:26.799 --> 00:15:31.080 It was it actually had a crew. And as a result, they've had 196 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:37.759 to live with something that has haunted them, something one of the he's still 197 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:41.919 alive. He lives in Albuquerque, and he was one of the MPs that 198 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:48.879 was part of the unit that actually took the bodies from Building eighty four P 199 00:15:48.039 --> 00:15:52.960 three as it was called back in nineteen forty seven. It was a large 200 00:15:52.120 --> 00:15:58.000 B twenty nine hangar, and they escorted the bodies over to the base hospital 201 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:04.919 and they were draped as far as with sheets, and as they pushed the 202 00:16:04.919 --> 00:16:12.039 gurneys, someone stepped on the corner of one of the coverings and it pulled 203 00:16:12.399 --> 00:16:19.000 free from the body. And this pick gramp. He saw the eyes open 204 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:23.120 and it turned its head and looked at him. Wow. So, in 205 00:16:23.159 --> 00:16:27.399 other words, one was alive. One survived well. Even according to his 206 00:16:27.480 --> 00:16:34.120 wife, they have not slept in the same bedroom for over now thirty years 207 00:16:34.159 --> 00:16:41.720 because he still has the nightmares, the flashbacks. He will bolt up in 208 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:45.879 the middle of the night and scream out because he can't get that face out 209 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:49.879 of his mind. Wow. So and then he get these people. They 210 00:16:49.879 --> 00:16:55.799 get emotional, they talk and the tears flow as they talk about this. 211 00:16:56.000 --> 00:17:00.519 So it's something that has left this, you know, indelible mark on their 212 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:06.759 very psyche. And after now sixty three years, they care. As one 213 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:08.359 of the witnesses said to us, it's the first thing he thinks of in 214 00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:11.359 the morning when he gets up, and the last thing when he goes to 215 00:17:11.359 --> 00:17:15.920 bed. Well, what got you involved with Roswell research? Now? You 216 00:17:15.960 --> 00:17:21.000 had been researching UFOs for quite some time. Why did you decide to particularly 217 00:17:21.079 --> 00:17:26.119 focus on Roswell Well. I had been a special investigator with doctor Jalen Heinek 218 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:29.799 up right up to the time of his death, and then immediately following that 219 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:37.039 I was appointed his director of Special Investigations. And the one case that everybody 220 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:42.559 was still talking about was Roswell work. Crash saucer retrieval cases even possible. 221 00:17:44.440 --> 00:17:47.400 Now, I was quite the skeptic. In fact, you know, even 222 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:51.400 dating back in nineteen eighty five, I had even done a paper with the 223 00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:56.759 Center for UFO Studies that I just didn't feel it was conceivable that a story 224 00:17:56.759 --> 00:18:02.839 of that magnitude could be kept secret for all all that time. And we 225 00:18:02.839 --> 00:18:07.039 were planning a trip to the Southwest in the fall of eighty eight, and 226 00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:12.400 I had just been to a lecture with Stanton Friedman, and I approached him 227 00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:18.519 backstage before the program and I asked him point blank, did he feel that 228 00:18:18.680 --> 00:18:26.680 they had interviewed every last possible witness if he felt that there were others still 229 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:30.920 available, still out there, and I was actually quite surprised for him to 230 00:18:30.920 --> 00:18:34.960 say, don there's probably hundreds of people still out there that have, you 231 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:40.200 know, yet to be discovered. And I took that pretty much as a 232 00:18:40.200 --> 00:18:42.279 green light, and he did encourage us to, you know, go right 233 00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:48.200 ahead, see what you can do as far as even an independent investigation on 234 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:52.720 your own. And we made that first trip within a few months. It 235 00:18:52.759 --> 00:18:56.799 was February of nineteen eighty nine. Again very confident we would wrap this up 236 00:18:57.000 --> 00:19:03.000 in a weekend. And we came away, especially after speaking to first ten 237 00:19:03.119 --> 00:19:11.680 witness who actually handled the wreckage, the material and as they described it, 238 00:19:11.920 --> 00:19:18.119 the characteristics that defied all conventional explanation even up to twenty ten. Now as 239 00:19:18.160 --> 00:19:23.160 I look back and we left with the mission, we have to get back 240 00:19:23.200 --> 00:19:27.160 here as soon as possible. Can you tell us who that wness was? 241 00:19:27.759 --> 00:19:32.000 What was that? Could you tell us who that person was? Oh? 242 00:19:32.079 --> 00:19:36.359 Well, that was even the rancher's son, Mac Brawsow junior, Bill Braso 243 00:19:36.519 --> 00:19:44.119 junior, that's correct. And then his wife Shirley was there at the same 244 00:19:44.160 --> 00:19:49.039 time, and we spent an entire afternoon and even when we always came back. 245 00:19:49.119 --> 00:19:52.920 Could it have been a weather blow? Could it have been a plane 246 00:19:52.599 --> 00:19:56.759 rocket? And he just fired right back? You know, No, I 247 00:19:56.799 --> 00:20:03.359 have never seen anything like this in my entire life. Amazing stuff. Yeah, 248 00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:07.839 incredible by now in a lot of these witnesses I'm sure are also military, 249 00:20:08.759 --> 00:20:14.480 absolutely, And those are the people that we typically are getting the deathbeds 250 00:20:14.519 --> 00:20:19.839 from. They live their lives sworn the secrecy. They took oaths back in 251 00:20:19.920 --> 00:20:26.839 nineteen forty seven never to say another word about this, And sadly they wait 252 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:33.359 until they're very deathbeds before they finally feel that the government can't hurt me any 253 00:20:33.400 --> 00:20:40.160 longer. They can't take my pension away from me. And I need to 254 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:45.400 tell, you know, my closest members of my family what actually happened. 255 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:49.160 I have to, like Superman, finally admitted Clark Kent. You know I'm 256 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:53.160 Superman, correct. So I want to talk about some of those witnesses when 257 00:20:53.160 --> 00:20:56.200 we get back from our break. We've got to take a short break. 258 00:20:56.279 --> 00:21:02.599 Right now. We're talking with Donald Schmidt, who's a roswell researcher around many 259 00:21:02.599 --> 00:21:06.279 other things. We'll talk more about his history. You're listening to Open Minds 260 00:21:06.359 --> 00:21:22.880 Radio on KFNEX. This is Open Minds Radio here again your host, UFO 261 00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:30.000 paranormal researcher and journalist Alejandro Rojas. Welcome back to Open Minds Radio. We're 262 00:21:30.039 --> 00:21:36.319 talking to Don Schmidt, longtime UFO researcher and recently Harold Right before we left 263 00:21:36.359 --> 00:21:40.799 the conference by one of our colleagues as one of the most attractive men in 264 00:21:40.960 --> 00:21:45.079 UFO research. I wanted to congratulate you on that one. I sense a 265 00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:51.279 total jealousy there. Yeah, you guys, one day I'll get there, 266 00:21:52.440 --> 00:21:55.480 do something new with my hair or something. I grew this little go tea 267 00:21:55.480 --> 00:21:57.880 type thing to me. That happened, But that's okay. I'll keep trying. 268 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:02.920 I'll do. We have to work at it every day. Yeah. 269 00:22:03.079 --> 00:22:06.880 So, I want to go way back before we get into the deathbed confessions 270 00:22:06.920 --> 00:22:11.119 real quick, and I want to find out about your entrance into UFO investigation 271 00:22:11.240 --> 00:22:15.079 at all, what you were doing at that time, and why you got 272 00:22:15.079 --> 00:22:22.519 inspired to work so hard on this subject. You're talking specifically Rosware UFO now, 273 00:22:22.599 --> 00:22:27.359 now UFO's in general. I had an interest through even elementary school, 274 00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:33.720 and I through high School at the peak of even the Air Force involvement with 275 00:22:33.799 --> 00:22:40.160 Project Blue Book, and there wasn't a week that went by that UFOs weren't 276 00:22:40.160 --> 00:22:45.480 in the public arena. I mean, the constant the jousting between the investigators 277 00:22:45.920 --> 00:22:51.440 and even the press and the Air Force as to what was actually happening. 278 00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:59.400 It was an exciting time to observe because any time it was we were left 279 00:22:59.400 --> 00:23:02.400 with the impression that something was going to break, something was going to happen, 280 00:23:02.400 --> 00:23:04.960 the government was finally going to complain. Well, as we both know 281 00:23:06.240 --> 00:23:11.799 historically that since nineteen sixty nine, everything has gone under the table, everything's 282 00:23:11.799 --> 00:23:18.200 gone underground. The level of official denial is such that I think more and 283 00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:22.279 more of us are starting to believe that if we don't solve it, if 284 00:23:22.319 --> 00:23:27.359 we don't know breach that cloak of silence, then nobody will. Yeah, 285 00:23:27.400 --> 00:23:30.519 I know, you know that happens. Ever since I've been in this field 286 00:23:30.519 --> 00:23:34.839 only you know about a decade. Seriously, you always have this disclosure is 287 00:23:34.839 --> 00:23:38.039 going to happen minute, any minute. Disclosure is going to happen any minute, 288 00:23:38.079 --> 00:23:42.799 any slight little movement by any politician or in Washington, and people think, 289 00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:47.359 oh, it's just around the corner. But in the forties and fifties 290 00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:56.000 you had a lot of military openly investigating UFO, the UFO subject, and 291 00:23:56.079 --> 00:24:00.839 through the sixties right up until nineteen seventy, I've been I've had the good 292 00:24:00.880 --> 00:24:07.720 fortune of being to SECORL New Mexico, which was the famous landing that took 293 00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:11.599 place in April nineteen sixty four involving the late Lani Zamora, who just died 294 00:24:11.720 --> 00:24:17.480 last year, And that was the one case that really through the Air Force 295 00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:23.759 I SIGNEDIF director doctor Heinich admitted to us years later that they finally had to 296 00:24:23.880 --> 00:24:29.440 accept that they were dealing with nuts and bolts, that something that actually landed. 297 00:24:29.680 --> 00:24:33.599 In fact, even in the Air Force report it refers to the vehicle, 298 00:24:34.720 --> 00:24:40.920 so we weren't talking about mass hallucination or weather anomaly or anything astronomical. 299 00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:44.640 Well, it's something that touched down. Yeah, I mean, I had 300 00:24:44.640 --> 00:24:48.160 read also that Hector Kington, yeah, eventually admitted that that case for him 301 00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:53.119 was one that he admits was mysterious, even though he really didn't believe that 302 00:24:53.319 --> 00:24:57.039 UFOs were a thread or anything. But he did say that you know, 303 00:24:57.119 --> 00:25:02.440 that was one unresolved case. That's correct, and he was the last director 304 00:25:02.440 --> 00:25:07.440 of Bluebook, and I think the pressure was growing to the point that even 305 00:25:07.480 --> 00:25:14.759 the mass media had had enough of swamp gas and lights in the sky explanations. 306 00:25:14.839 --> 00:25:19.279 They realized that the government had to either throw up their hands that they 307 00:25:19.319 --> 00:25:23.960 were helpless, that there was something that was flying through our airspace with total 308 00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:29.960 impunity and they couldn't do anything about it, or they actually had evidence, 309 00:25:30.039 --> 00:25:34.480 they had answers as we now are convinced they have in regards to crash retrievals, 310 00:25:34.519 --> 00:25:40.599 that they actually have physical proof that we're being visited, that it is 311 00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:45.000 something manufactured off the planet. Now, during that period of time that we're 312 00:25:45.039 --> 00:25:49.319 talking about forties, fifties, and sixties, you have people like Gerald Ford 313 00:25:49.359 --> 00:25:55.720 as a senator calling for well he was a congressman in Michigan. Congressman, 314 00:25:56.039 --> 00:26:00.640 sorry, but yeah, he was asking for, you know, the government 315 00:26:00.680 --> 00:26:03.079 to look into these subjects. He had the first director of the CIA, 316 00:26:03.319 --> 00:26:07.920 Hillan Cotter, who was Roscoe. Hillen called her correct at least a couple 317 00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:11.880 of quotes in what the Washington Post about how he felt the Air Force was 318 00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:15.880 hiding information. In fact, Hillen Calder actually belonged. I mean you're talking 319 00:26:15.880 --> 00:26:22.599 about the first director of the CIA, and eventually would become a member of 320 00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:27.440 one of the first civilian UFO groups, the National Investigation Committee on Aerial Phenomena 321 00:26:27.559 --> 00:26:33.160 Nightcap out of Washington, d C. So so many of these people. 322 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:37.079 It's so different than you could cite the case of the late Senator Barry Goldwater 323 00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:44.920 of your own state of Arizona and his failed efforts in trying to get the 324 00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:49.400 chair of the Joint Chiefs General, Curtis LeMay to open the files. He 325 00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:53.960 wanted to see the proof. He was convinced again that the government had the 326 00:26:55.039 --> 00:27:00.880 answers, and as Goldwater himself told us, LeMay said to him, hell 327 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:04.839 no, and don't ever ask me again. And then he added further, 328 00:27:06.759 --> 00:27:11.279 and if you ever bring this up again, I will personally see that your 329 00:27:11.359 --> 00:27:18.200 court martialed. Now Goldwater was a Brigadier at general and for LeMay to tell 330 00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:25.920 him that his request warranted being court martialed, Please, ladies and gentlemen, 331 00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:30.079 don't tell me there isn't a UFO cover up when someone who was a former 332 00:27:30.119 --> 00:27:36.960 presidential candidate and senator and a brigadier at general is basically told, you know, 333 00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:42.240 this subject is off limits. Don't even bring it up right and definitely 334 00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:47.400 be loved out here. We've got lots of Very Goldwater around herself. Well, 335 00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:48.920 they need to look into that. They need to realize, I mean 336 00:27:49.119 --> 00:27:52.960 all of Arizona. I mean, for those who are still very fond of 337 00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:57.000 the memory of Very Goldwater, I mean look into that. I mean, 338 00:27:57.319 --> 00:28:03.359 this is something that Goldwater used to lament about over and over again to the 339 00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:07.960 press and he could never get anybody to follow up on it. Now, 340 00:28:08.759 --> 00:28:14.519 this all really kind of some of this fervor. Although looking into when Roswell 341 00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:18.480 happened, it looked like flying sausages were all over the news when you listen 342 00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:22.880 to those broadcasts, because there of the sort of is this, you know, 343 00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:26.720 finally going to be resolved, So it seems like people knew this was 344 00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:30.160 in the news. Do you think, even though it kind of faded away 345 00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:33.400 a bit, do you think behind the scenes, Roswell had a lot to 346 00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:37.480 do with a lot of these military people coming out and taking a harder look. 347 00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:42.680 Well, in fact, the very first Air Force investigation, which was 348 00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:48.920 Project's signed, originated due to that very wave at last week of June, 349 00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:56.200 first week of July leading up to Roswell for explaining Roswell was a weather balloon, 350 00:28:56.799 --> 00:29:00.440 and then there was a conscientious effort by the Army Air Corps to put 351 00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:06.480 on weather balloon demonstrations all over the country at that time, which we've been 352 00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:10.519 able to document. So they weren't only trying to explain Roswell, they were 353 00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:18.880 trying to sweep all of these sightings aside. And nonetheless it still necessitated the 354 00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:25.359 creation of that very first Air Force Project Project sign which went on for a 355 00:29:25.480 --> 00:29:30.039 year, and their conclusion that went right up to the Chair of the Joint 356 00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:37.759 Chiefs, then Colonel Hoyt Vandenburg, was that the phenomenona again was interplanetary. 357 00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:45.880 That was their conclusion a year after Roswell, and Vandenberg ordered the report burned 358 00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:52.519 because he felt it didn't provide evidence. Well, Vandenburg was up to his 359 00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:57.119 eyeballs as far as regarding Roswell, and lest we forget, the very first 360 00:29:57.279 --> 00:30:03.920 director a project book, the late Captain Edward Rupelt in his own book, 361 00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:11.480 Report on Unidentified Flying Objects, he stated that by the end of July, 362 00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:15.359 now the very month that ros Will happened. He states that by the end 363 00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:22.039 of July of nineteen forty seven, Air Technical Intelligence Commission was in a complete 364 00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:27.119 panic over the situation. Wow, we've got to go to a break right 365 00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:32.000 now, but we'll finish that up and talk more about those deathbed confessions. 366 00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:36.200 Will be right back. You're listening to Open Minds Radio on the FNX. 367 00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:52.279 Welcome back to Open Minds Radio. Here now former officials, folksperson for the 368 00:30:52.359 --> 00:31:00.359 Mutual UFO Network, your host of Open Minds Radio, Alejandro Rojas. All 369 00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:07.079 right, we are here with Donald Schmidt, one of the original investigators when 370 00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:10.400 it comes to Roswell in many different cases. So it's exciting to have him 371 00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:12.599 on the show. And I think, did you get the total quote out 372 00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:17.960 there you were talking about Rupelt's quote? Yes, okay, I thought so, 373 00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:21.680 Yeah, that was it. That's the basically the pentygon. Just imagine 374 00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:23.559 that today if the Penta Gun should announced that they were in a panic over 375 00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:30.319 anything, right, but what what had created that? And once again we 376 00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:33.799 believe it was Roswell, the fact that they had something drop into their laps 377 00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:40.359 without any answers, you know, no answers as to from where, from 378 00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:44.960 why, or from who. And now let's talk about some of those deathbed 379 00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:49.279 confessions. I believe one of those was actually Walter HoTT, who is one 380 00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:55.680 of the first witnesses military witnesses, and then later he added to his uh 381 00:31:56.559 --> 00:32:00.119 his claims well, Walder Hot was a first lieutenant. He was at the 382 00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:04.599 five le ninth Bomb Group back in nineteen forty seven. He was a public 383 00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:09.559 information officer. He was the liaison between the local community, the local press, 384 00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:14.799 and the base and so it was his job to put up press releases 385 00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:20.440 issued by the base itself, by the base commander, Colonel William Blanchard, 386 00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:24.079 And he would receive a phone call later in the morning of July eighth, 387 00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:31.599 after a couple truckloads or should say car and a jeep load of actual debris 388 00:32:31.720 --> 00:32:37.359 had been returned to the base from the crash site, and they put out 389 00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:43.599 that you know now famous press release about the actual capture of a flying saucer 390 00:32:43.599 --> 00:32:49.319 on a ranch north of Roswell at that time. So he distributed that press 391 00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:52.720 release, and he was ordered to do so by Colonel blancht right by Colonel 392 00:32:52.720 --> 00:33:02.480 Blancherd correct and not as far as not only would it make worldwide news at 393 00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:07.359 that time and went out over the wire's services, and Walder would described to 394 00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:12.319 us that he'd stack of phone calls on his desk six inches high. But 395 00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:21.200 within five hours that first explanation was retracted, was recanted and going up a 396 00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:27.079 chain of command. Colonel Blanchard's boss was Brigader General Roger Ramie of the eighth 397 00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:32.799 Air Force over in Fort Worth at Carswell Army Airfield, and they had a 398 00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:39.200 press conference, and even General Ramie's chief of staff at that time, General 399 00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:46.440 Thomas de BOE's, admitted to us before he died that they switched the real 400 00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:53.200 material for a weather balloon. They substituted a very common weather device with a 401 00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:59.160 radar reflector kite. It was laid out on the floor of General Rami's office. 402 00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:02.759 The press was a lot to come in and photograph it and that would 403 00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:07.280 be the end of it as far as the press republic were. I think 404 00:34:07.360 --> 00:34:12.239 said that he didn't know what it was what was replaced. He just knew 405 00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:16.079 they had replaced the actual material. That's correct. That's correct, guess, 406 00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:21.079 And in fact he played dumb to it. He acted. I think he 407 00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:27.719 tried to at least smoothed out the impression that the five or ninth bomb grove 408 00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:31.880 over a roswell. The very squadron which was in charge of the atomic bomb 409 00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:38.480 was unable to identify, again a very common weather device. And I think 410 00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:44.400 common, I mean that the materials you're talking about, neoprem rubber for the 411 00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:50.320 balloon itself, and the reflector kites for nothing but wooden sticks, reflective foil 412 00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:52.880 and masking tape. You know, something, you know, a five year 413 00:34:52.920 --> 00:35:00.199 old child would have been able to recognize. But Walter always stuck to that 414 00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:05.760 story that he distributed that press release. He heard a few other things on 415 00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:12.480 the base and nothing more. But because he was so close to Colonel Blanchard, 416 00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:17.320 I mean they were almost like uncle and nephew in their personal relationship, 417 00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:22.960 we realized that Walter had to have been brought into the loop. He had 418 00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:28.559 to have seen and known more being that close to the very base commander. 419 00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:32.880 And I always went back to him, and through the years he gave us 420 00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:39.679 little trickles of more and more information, to the point that when Walter, 421 00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:47.280 who was always reluctant to go on the record and admit everything that he was 422 00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:53.760 aware of, he finally agreed to a signed statement, a sealed statement for 423 00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:59.719 posthumous release, something that could come out after he was gone, and two 424 00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:05.440 years before he died. That's precisely what he did and admitted to not only 425 00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:10.360 handling the wreckage being out at the site, but also being taken to that 426 00:36:10.519 --> 00:36:16.000 hangar I described earlier and seeing the bodies laid out on the floor, right, 427 00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:19.840 and this all fits. It all makes sense. I mean, one 428 00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:22.039 of the things I find interesting is Jesse Marcel, the guy who found the 429 00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:27.599 stuff for intelligence, right, he intelligence at the base. He's found it, 430 00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:30.760 strange, brings it to his boss. Everybody's shocked. They sent out 431 00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:35.360 a press release that it's a flying saucer. Then you know, they don't 432 00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:38.960 get in trouble for misidentifying it. Instead, according to Marcell, they're told 433 00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:42.840 to shut up, and they do, and they do, and they're all 434 00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:45.920 promoted after back. I mean, Colonel Blanchard would go on to become a 435 00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:52.880 four star general. Jesse Marcel would retire a lieutenant Colonel. Walter Sadly, 436 00:36:53.760 --> 00:37:00.039 who the newspaper accounts described as having been severely repro manded, you know, 437 00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:06.840 by Washington, denied he so much has ever received a scolding from anyone. 438 00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:12.480 But yet, for whatever reason, he did resign from the military a year 439 00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:16.599 later. I think a lot of it was because his spirit was broken that 440 00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:22.280 they knew what actually happened, and they were all forced to live this lie 441 00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:28.639 or about the biggest story of all time. So who are some of the 442 00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:35.760 other deathbed confess confessors that you were just ecstatic to find? Well, another 443 00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:40.519 one and someone I didn't mention at the summit in Mexico City. But he's 444 00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:45.559 a civilian, but he's also a scientist, an engineer. He was a 445 00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:53.360 mechanical engineer at Boeing Aircraft and he worked specifically in their crash investigation team back 446 00:37:53.400 --> 00:38:00.199 in nineteen seventy give me forty seven. His name was Richard Loveridge, and 447 00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:07.360 he was responsible for both Texas and New Mexico crash investigation at that time. 448 00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:13.800 So he had homes in both San Antonio and in Roswell, of all places. 449 00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:19.719 And after this happened, he was immediately called in for what he thought 450 00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:23.400 was going to be a routine plane crash, but it was much more. 451 00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:29.079 It was so much more that he refused to talk about it. Refuse to 452 00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:32.840 talk about it for many years thereafter. In fact, every time his son 453 00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:37.320 heard anything new about Roswell, knowing that his father had actually been there, 454 00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:43.000 his father would just always respond, don't ask, don't ask, don't go 455 00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:46.719 there, don't talk about it. And it wasn't until he was dying in 456 00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:52.960 nineteen ninety three that he finally told his son what happened, and that he 457 00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:58.159 had actually been out at the crash site and that he had seen the remains 458 00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:05.280 of the ship which was you know, non conventional, and saw the bodies. 459 00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:08.480 He admitted to seeing the bodies wow, and again he described them as 460 00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:15.000 the others, that they were small child sized and that they were clearly not 461 00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:21.519 human speak. But he warned his son, Lee's don't ever say anything, 462 00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:25.360 because the government can still hurt you. That's how you put it. That 463 00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:31.239 was in nineteen ninety three before he died. Amazing so that they lived, 464 00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:36.400 you know, with that level of intimidation and fear right up to the moments, 465 00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:38.559 and they're warning their families, you know, the very same thing. 466 00:39:38.960 --> 00:39:44.719 You can't talk about this now. Forestall. I know, at least in 467 00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:46.480 Paul David's movie, and I think it comes from some of your work. 468 00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:52.840 There was a connection between forest Law and the beings. Well. Forestall was 469 00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:57.320 the Secretary of War, which was a threat accessor to the Secretary of Defence, 470 00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:04.760 as he was in nineteen forty seven and immediately after this whole situation, 471 00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:07.960 he became quite interested. In fact, if we were to go back to 472 00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:15.719 the White House log of meetings during that whole week that this took place, 473 00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:19.880 you would have thought World War three had started. I mean, there were 474 00:40:20.119 --> 00:40:25.239 there were emergency meetings as far as between forrestaw and the President Vandenburg, who 475 00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:31.719 I mentioned chair of the Joint Chiefs, as far as Leslie Groves, General 476 00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:38.119 Leslie Grove who was ahead of the Manhattan Project, and at others James Doolittle 477 00:40:38.199 --> 00:40:44.000 and other generals. And again it was as though we were, you know, 478 00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:49.159 under a major alert, and and and Forrestall was one of them. 479 00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:58.679 And right after this he becomes rather openly outspoken about UFOs, and he starts 480 00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:05.119 to even keep a log, and he starts to even suggest areas and ways 481 00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:10.639 that the phenomenon needs to be investigated. And we know that he had marital 482 00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:15.719 problems, he also had bouts with depression, and there was concerns that he 483 00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:23.440 may have even been suicidal. He was hospitalized and he was found that he 484 00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:31.719 either had jumped or something else outside of his hospital bedroom. And I know 485 00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:37.840 many people just dismiss it as being nothing more than the sad, tragic ending 486 00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:45.639 to you know, someone who was into bouts of you know, hallucination and 487 00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:51.159 depression. But then there are those who suggest he was getting too close, 488 00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:55.719 he was looking under the very interesting. Thank you for being on the show, 489 00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:59.760 Don, That was great. I mean, it's just incredible information on 490 00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:04.360 as well out there that people do not realize. And where can I go 491 00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:10.159 to see some of your books? Our website is roswell Investigator dot com. 492 00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:16.960 Roswell Investigator dot com. All right right, Greatswell is there. Thanks for 493 00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:20.599 being on the show. We'll have you again and for the rest of you, 494 00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:23.400 be sure to show up next Friday. You've been listening to Open Minds 495 00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:24.440 Radio on kfeex