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Well off of a weekend that saw
a very impressive performance by Joshua Bouazi winning

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his light heavyweight eliminator fight with fellow
countrymen and friend Dan a Z's in England,

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a weekend that saw Connor Benn take
a lot longer than all of us

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thought to get his victory in Las
Vegas. And what's next for Kim after

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that? We are ready to recap
those fights. We are ready to hear

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from a guy defending his title later
this week. It is super Bowl week

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in Las Vegas. But not only
that, it is Tayo Femal Lopez.

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You will hear from the WBO And
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lineal one hundred and forty pounds champ
Taya Femal Lopez in a little bit with

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Dan and we'll preview his fight which
is Thursday. So you get a combo

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here, not only a recap,
but a preview of that fight and that

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fight card from top rank in Las
Vegas this weekend. Some news, some

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nostalgia, Dan Rayfield, always good
to be with you. Now we have

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to say to the audience, we
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circumstances, etc. And the podcast
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We have a rundown, we have
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out overnight Thursday and a Friday,
and lo and behold, the biggest news

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that there could possibly be comes out
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for the audience that on our bet
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bunch about it at the beginning of
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time. Tyson Fury, Alexander Uzik
off. But you and I, I

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mean, we do our best for
the peeps. Again, keep following,

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keep subscribing, rating and reviewing us. I'm sorry that there was a podcast

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all day Friday that wasn't talking about
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being off. It's the best way
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about it retroactively. Now, yeah, they will lift. And you have

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also reported a bunch of stuff been
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there on the bet US Show,
et cetera, et cetera. But stay

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engaged with us because you're going to
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now into what's going on. Okay, well, that's going to begin things

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before we get into the fight recaps. So Friday, did we ever confirm

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did this happen on Friday? As
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Did it happen on Thursday for Tyson
Fury? Nasty nasty cut that's postponed the

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undisputed fight now for what three months? But go ahead? All right?

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So yes, it happened by all
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Friday morning, obviously was later in
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relocated to read right before New Year's
after Christmas, before New Year's he put

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his training camp in reacd to get
ready for the fight, which told me

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that he's taken extremely seriously because he
left his family and went to Saudi Arabia

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to spend the next couple of months. Happened on Friday, and the fight

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was then postponed, and there was
a lot of questions. You know,

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there was a lot of you know, it's boxing, there's conspiracies, is

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it real? Is he actually cut? Is he trying to get out of

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the fight. I never bought any
of that, and the expectation was the

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fight would be rescheduled Turkey al Chik
from Saudi Arabia, who obviously is the

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person that's the point man on all
this business over there. It runs the

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ga that hands out all that money
to put these events on. Then said,

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because remember there was the possibility at
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the show on and maybe Usik would
fight against Philip Hurgovic anyway, who is

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the IBF mandatory who was involved with
the Saudi's as well, So that was

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a possibility for a period of time. They had reached out to Hurgovic.

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They had never made an offer,
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they were going to talk about it. In the end, the powers that

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be decided, you know what,
we want the big fight. We're not

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doing any event on February seventeenth,
So the entire event was postponed and they

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were trying to figure out when it's
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Turkey along in a separate location but
on a like a box together. Edgis

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Clean is the manager for Usik and
Usk went on the MMA Hour, which

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is the YouTube show that is hosted
and run my former colleague in pal Ariol

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Hawani, and it was like breaking
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I got to give my boy Halwani
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because to corral a single one of
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four of them on your show at
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that that must have taken, so
prompts to Ariel for that. But in

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any event, on that show,
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be rescheduled for May eighteenth. So
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you mentioned, it's not February seventeenth, it's now going to be in May.

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You know. For in my opinion, seeing the nature of the wound,

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you know, it seemed like that
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of all, let's just digress for
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Opataia sparring with him? What do
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so doesn't look like it was in
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if you really want to know who
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by the folks that are involved,
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Eci Smack Easy, who is twenty. He wins two losses, eighteen knockouts,

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and I guess he's a guy that
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He's got some experience against some notable
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he's like thirty three years old,
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what he's done in terms of wins
in apro crew, but that's a good

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record. And I guess that was
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to be mister furious Farring partner.
Okay, I am confused though about where

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the wound is. And now I'm
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for my left, I know fair
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and then we're going to move along
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and I did not see the conversation, and of course I would not expect,

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with all the money that's being thrown
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the record, and you know,
to have Usik and have plemus upset on

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this point. I wonder how much
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February seventeenth, and maybe you know
this answer just for the concern, and

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I think it's legitimate that we come
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he doesn't have a fire because he
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made comments on the record that he
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how much were they saying, can
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there's concern he might not fight in
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reasons why they probably didn't go ahead. Number one, you're this close.

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You know, Hrgovic's a live dog
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fight. I mean, but I
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Olympic medalist, massive amateur background,
big strong guy, got some solid

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wins anyway, So I don't they
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to the dirty, like are we
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thought about. I guess they assessed
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for good or for worse, that
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May. And you know, noaen
Usik's you know, sort of like his

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the way he's carried himself. He
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mean, he was talking about doing
undisputed back when he was a cruiserweight,

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when he was an amateur turning pro. We wanted to be undisputed heavyweight and

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cruiserweight champion and you're one step way. All all it can do is cause

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problems. We saw what happened with
the Naganu near disaster. There was zero

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reason to fuck with this. I
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If they have another three months except
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I won't go along with zero.
The one thing is is he's had to

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wait and wait and wait. He
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had to wait this fall. He's
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all I'm saying on the record as
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if we get around to May and
Tyson Fury pulls something else, I'm gonna

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be the biggest I told you so
on all of this stuff about you were

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within the two week period to maybe
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was going to be ready, a
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anyway, Well, hold on,
there's nobody said that he was going to

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be ready. Remember this guy hasn't
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He fought in December. It was
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he said I want to I want
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wanted to because he was going to
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is not I mean, all due
respect to my may and Philip Pergovitch,

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just ain't the Philip Pergovitch show.
This is the Tyson Curry Alexander Us show.

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I agree. So I'm glad they
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glad they've decided to move forward with
the fight that is what matters, and

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hopefully that will take place. I
mean, listen, I know people want

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to get all over Fury, and
I've got my own Fury for reasons that

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are worthy also, but I don't
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ordained or anything. As a matter
of fact, Agus Kleimus came out

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and made some really unprofessional and quite
disgusting remarks about Fury and his wife and

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trying to do this get out of
it on purpose, and Fury confronted him

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on this interview with Holwani and then
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Aggus really was wrong in what he
said. So you can you know,

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two things can be read at the
same time. You can you can

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hate on Fury and you could say
a lot of negative things about him,

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but I don't believe that this was
somehow on purpose that he decided two weeks

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before the biggest fight of his life, for the massive amount of money he

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was about to make, that he
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like a wwe in slice is you
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and in the comments that eggis made, we're on call for I totally

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understand the frustration on his behalf and
on his client's behalf, but it was

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still a low class from Egus to
do that. And you know again,

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when the fight comes a round,
it'll just add another layer to the build

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up and too the story of we
go into the fight. Okay, so

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there is everything on that all of
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what our thing? Yeah, according
to Fury, he needed eleven stitches to

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close the wound. But if you
listen to others that were around and Bob

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with Frank Warren and the thirty six, it read six, no eleven stitches,

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they claim. Some others say it
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places where it says I mean if
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we saw what looked like that cut
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in that picture. That looks like
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so I'm not a plastic surgeon.
It's bad. It's got to be

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a concern from the Valleen fight because
it was horrific in the Valen fight.

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With that, now that we've covered
all of that, let's get into the

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recap mode. Pretty entertaining, especially
the final few rounds of the fight on

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Saturday on Sky Sports Fine Time in
England, Saturday afternoon in the US on

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Peacock the Boxer Promotion's main event.
Joshua Buazzi deserves a lot of credit.

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Fight was probably gonna go either way
from about the seventh round on, and

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he just out fought Dan a Z's. I thought Azi's got tired some,

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but I mean Buwazzi outfought him jab
right hand, behind it combinations. He

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was better. He gets the decision
some craziness in the eleventh round with two

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sort of knockdown slips that were both
scored knockdowns by the referee. I want

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you to get into all of that
recap it as Buwazzi gets a large win

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for him in the light heavyweight picture. Yeah, most definitely very big win

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for him because it puts him now
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So he's sitting there in position to
fight whoever is the holder of the

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WBA title, be it Dimitri Biebel
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given what will occur, hopefully in
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for good measure, won the British
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They sparred a million rounds together.
They have really when the fight ended,

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I mean, and by the way, they didn't it didn't show up in

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the fight because they were fighting their
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other guy out of there. H
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you know, they did win.
Fighters often do. They hugged Boatza

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game a little kiss on the forehead. They did the joint interview together,

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you know, when he tried when
the Peacock or the sky channel, they

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tried to do the interview just with
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know, he pulled Diz's back into
the into the picture. They just showed

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a tremendous amount of class and he
actually said BOATSI, you know, the

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only I didn't really, you know, I kind of feel bad about taking

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his titles, meaning the British and
the Commonwealth. He goes. The only

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thing I wanted was the number one
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is what he got, which is
what puts him in the position for a

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world title, which is obviously a
bigger deal probably to him than becoming the

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British and the Commonwealth champion. But
yeah, they fought it. That was

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a terrific fight. I mean,
I always say this every time we talk

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about this, First and foremost,
if you spent your time, where you

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spent your money, if you went
to the Wembley Arena, you got your

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times worth, you got your money's
because it was a very good fight.

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It won't be the fight of the
year anything like that, but a highly

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entertaining, high skill level, good
action, you know, some back and

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forth. You know, it always
felt to me like Batzi was in control

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and was always winning the fight,
but you could kind of never really count

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Assease out. He was always right
there, maybe just a slip behind.

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But you know, even if you
were scoring most of the rounds in favor

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of Buazzi, which he deserved,
each of those rounds were competitive within those

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three minutes. But it was it
was a really good matchup. You know,

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that's the first loss for his ease, and Biatzi moves on to a

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much bigger situation in terms of that
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of all, even without the knockdowns, Biwatzi still was going to win the

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fight. That was not a surprise. You know. It was like an

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eight to four, nine to three
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round or so that could have been, you know, gone the other way.

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But the knockdowns obviously sealed the deal. But like you said, they

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were messy. I mean, there
were punches thrown and perhaps landed, and

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that's always the main thing when you
call a knockdown, but there's also common

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sense because the punches that landed didn't
seem on either occasion that would have been

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knockdown punches considering the type of punches
that he'd already taken into fight. And

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he slipped on the wet canvas in
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I thought, on the first knockdown
it was immediate with punch and slip,

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but on the second one, I
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and he slipped with both feet like
yeah, like he was on the

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logo and slipped with both feet,
and it was right at the bell at

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the end of the eleventh. My
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that on looking look, first of
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in real time. It's hard.
I grant that. To me, I

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felt like watching the replays, they
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the first one a knockdown, okay, because it was simultaneous to like a

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combination sort of landing, but not
a devastating combination, but nonetheless punches being

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thrown and landed. The second one
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clear in my mind that it wasn't
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best case scenario, it's called the
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what happened, which is the referee
called both knockdowns. Maybe it would have

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been fair if one was called the
knockdown and one was called something. In

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the end, whether there was two
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the winner of the fight. So
the good thing is it did not impact

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the result of the match. And
the other thing is he knew I'm losing

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the eleventh. He knew it had
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Now you basically know you've got to
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what. And he went for it. He went, and he tried,

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and I thought he was tired.
I thought he was tired from the tenth

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round on. And Biwatzi deserves again
the most credit for that, so he

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gets the win. By the way, it's the kind of loss for disease

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that's not going to really damage his
career. I mean, it was a

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tremendous fight. He battled, you
know, competitively with Buazzi, and this

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is the exact kind of thing in
boxing that should happen more often, which

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is you look at that fight,
you see that he took that kind of

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loss. It literally should not impact
him other than the fact that he's not

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getting the world title opportunity with the
WBA in his next fight. But it

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should have no bearing on any fan
or promoter or television or broadcast outlet to

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impact whether they would want to see
him, would be willing to put him

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back on stilling to pay him a
good amount of money. There's no reason

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I should have a negative impact on
his career because he's still one of the

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top light heavyweights out there. He's
still going to make an entertaining fight.

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There's still good opponents out there for
him to match up with, and so

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you know, you just you take
the loss and you take a little rest

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and then you get back in there. I don't think it's going to have

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any long term impact on and the
negativity towards his career. And for Josh

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Guazzi, he goes on and move
to the next level. Good for him,

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all right, And then we'll recap
a whole feature fight here and again

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Taya Fimo Lopez coming up with Dan
here in a bid here on the podcast.

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One more thing on that main event. There, good trainer matchup because

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he had two of the best guys
in the business. He had Buddy mcgert

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my man in the corner with Dan
a Z's he had the great Virgil Hunter

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in the corner with Batzi. And
so when you'd see those that caliber of

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great trainers matching up, that always
makes sort of adds another layer of entrigue

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either way. Watching live on Peacock
and on on Sky Sports, Buddy McGirt

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was like the running play by play
commentary of what he wanted Azaz to do

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you could hear everything. You gotta
get inside, Dan, you gotta step

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it up, you gotta move inside. You gotta throw the left. You

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were hearing all of it. You
were hearing the soundtrack. Well that's only

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because Buddy's got much He's a much
more loud person in general that Virgil is

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much more mild mattered. So you
were hearing a lot of that, all

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right. So let's get to the
co feature, which is a win for

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Adam a Zem. I keep joking
with you not to be confused with Dan

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a Z's on the same way.
You're the only one that confuses that.

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Nobody else does a Zeem and Asease, Yeah, it can be. There's

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an az involved in both of them, all right, a really big black

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man. The other is a much
smaller I understand stature wise, and looks

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I'm talking about on paper? What
does the name look like? And can

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you screw both of those up and
come up with a Dan Azeem or an

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Adam a Ease You can't, but
I did not. All right, So

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Adam a Zeem victorious. But there's
also an injury to the opponent. That's

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part of how he got the ko. I guess his shoulder dislocated as part

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of the knockdown as well. Explain
a little more here as we wrapped that

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part up, Well, you said
exactly the shoulder dislocated. I mean it

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was up until that moment. This
is a fight that was maybe a little

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more tactical than Azem typically is involved
in. I don't think that was because

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of him. I think that was
because of the you know, the the

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defensive minded nature of Pulson, Enoch
Pulsen, who was the opponent. But

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that's good for a younger fighter like
that to have to see a different kind

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of style. So he had to
kind of pick his way through the fight

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and jab a little bit and box
a little bit more, which he is

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definitely capable of doing. You know, normally when an adam azine fight ends

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by a knockout, it's usually a
big knockdown or a big punch. That

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wasn't the case here. He was
in control of the fight. He had

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won all the rounds on the scorecard. He was pitching a shutout up until

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the time when the stoppage occurred.
And basically what happened was he got Enoch

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Pulsen, who throws a punch with
his right hand and at Land sort of

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grazed off of Adam Azine's arm and
he immediately spun around and sank down to

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his knees with a dislocated shoulder,
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So it goes as a knockout.
And as it turns out, it

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was the same situation that had occurred
when Pulsen was any previous European title fight,

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where the shoulder was dislocated three times, but it was put back in

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he was able to continue and actually
win the fight in this particular, since

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that was not gonna happen, he
had a he had a you know,

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it was too bad for him to
continue and so you know, as he

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was on his way to the win
obviously based at least on the first five

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rounds uh, and he gets it
with the knockout and now he'll move on.

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Ben Shaloon from Boxer says they'll probably
have him back in the ring sometime

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in May. Uh. I'm assuming
he'll make probably another defense, but they'll

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look for like a bigger, bigger, bigger fish for him to fry.

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But he's a he's a bright young
fighter, and you know, in a

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sport that craves stars and people that
bring crowds and that make entertainment. You

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know, Adam Azeem is checking all
those boxes right now in in the very

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early infancy of his career, because
now he's eleven to zero and uh that

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was a great uh uh test for
him and in a very solid performance from

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him on that undercard. I know, you know, as he said,

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he didn't get the big knockout that
he hoped to get. But in the

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end you get the stoppage win and
you retain the European title for the first

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time and you move on. And
I was if you're if you're, if

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you're a boxer officionado of their shows, this was a good show. The

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main event was terrific. Azeem looked
good in that card. Some of the

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other other undercards, you know,
we're perfectly fine, but you know,

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a nice show at the at the
Wembley Arena. Okay. So simultaneous to

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that card going on again eight time
zones away in Las Vegas, the match

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Rooms show where Connor Ben was headlining, was also taking place in the afternoon

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US time, so it would be
in primetime in the UK. And I

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know you were more locked in on
the ban fight. I saw you tweeting

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it keeping up with it live.
I was keeping up more with the Biwazi

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fight. I can tell you I've
read the recap. I've seen a couple

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of the highlights. Connor band gets
the win in the main event, but

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he didn't get the knockout that you
and I thought on the US show.

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So give me your thoughts there on
Ben's victory and what it means in the

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context of him getting it done well. Just first and foremost. The reason

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I was more locked in on that
particular fight card is because I have to

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approach it from I have to.
I'm gonna write articles on these fights,

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so I didn't want to skip back
and forth. I want to lock in

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on one so I can do my
job, and because to me I wanted

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to, I was gonna go with
which everyone was first, and the Azine

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fight was first to the ring,
and so I focused on that and followed

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by the main event. I'm sorry, the the Amma Williams fight on the

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de Zonne card and then the then
the Connor Ben fight. So I while

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I was keeping what was sort of
happening on the others, got the browsers

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open for both on my computer,
so I knew the results, but I

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wasn't paying close attention to the boxer
card told going back and watching after the

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fact. Anyway, That's the reason
I liked the Buwatzi and a Z's fight

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and card better. But uh,
you know, you have to make those

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decisions because I know I've got work
ahead of me, So that's why I

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was locked in on that. But
in terms of Connor Ben's performance, you

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know, listen, people may not
want to talk about it, but it's

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not unreasonable for anybody out there to
think that the incredible punching power that this

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man showed in devastating knockouts against Chris
Algery and Chris van Heerden and a couple

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others earlier, and that power is
not showing itself anymore. This is not

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a coincidence. If you have been
deemed to have used performance enhancing drugs,

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however they got in your system,
so that would be a logical conclusion for

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one to make. I'm not making
accusations. I don't want to get soothed.

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But if somebody were to look at
a Connor Ben spectacular knockout and then

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not that long after the fact,
see him land a bazillion punches on Peter

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Dobson and before that in September against
Ridolfo Arosco. Now, granted, those

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are fights that were taking place at
least at a little bit of a heavier

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weight. The matchups I'm talking about
were in the one to forty sevenund weight

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class the previous two fights. Last
fight against Rosco was one hundred and fifty

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four pounds. This fight was contracted, so it's a little bit of a

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difference. But you're fighting such a
lower level of opposition, you know,

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it stands to reason that maybe there's
a problem there. Keep in mind,

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Chris Algery got obliterated with one shot. This is a man in Chris Algery

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who went the distance despite getting knocked
down numerous times by Manny Pacia. And

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no matter what the scenario is,
I don't view Connor Ben as a better

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puncher than any And clarify for me, was he wearing him down, hurting

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him really at all? As the
fight war on Dobson. Was he wearing

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Dobson down or was Dobson there to
survive and did survive? What would you

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say? I mean, Dobson at
times was in survival mode where he was

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sort of covering up or grabbing on. To me, the biggest issue that

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Peter Dobson had, well two things
really won. He doesn't. He just

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didn't throw enough and land enough punches. And too, he was extremely extremely

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slow, which meant for anybody at
a certain level, you're gonna be able

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to tattoo him with the shots.
Now, to Peter Dobson's credit, he

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took a good shot. I mean, whatever you want to say about Connor

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Ben's power or lack thereof, he
took a lot of shots that landed precisely.

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Now, whether those punches would have
knocked out another opponent, you know

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who the heck knows. But Dobson
was not a top level opponent, very

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clearly. Now, not a I
wouldn't look at Peter Dopson. He's a

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tomato can or anything like that.
The guy, you know. He went

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twelve rounds with Connor Ben, who
landed a lot of punches, and Dobson

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had a few moments, landed a
couple of nice right hands, but just

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not nearly enough or not nearly as
often. And so it was a one

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sided decision. The judges had it
won eighteen to one ten on two score

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cards. The third judge had a
one nineteen to one nine, which is

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how I scored the fight, which
is eleven rounds to one, and there

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really wasn't more than you know,
you know, we talked about the range

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of acceptable scores, like I don't
know if you could like realistically give him

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three rounds, two rounds. I
get that one round that seemed perfectly fine,

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a shutout. Maybe he had a
good round in the fifth round,

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but it was it was a one
one sided fight, and it was a

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placeholder fight because Ben and his team
are looking for a big fight in the

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UK. So he's now had the
two sort of let's get back in the

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ring fights while the you know,
while we're licensed in the United States,

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and the situation with the hearing plays
out, which is supposed to be at

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the end of the month where the
British Board and the u COD folks bring

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their appeal, and that's going to
have the outcome of that hearing will have

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a big bearing on whether he'll be
able to fight in his home country.

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Eddie Hearn spoke about it in the
post fight that that that's what they want

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to do and they have identified fighters
such as whether they can make Gills or

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not who that knows maybe try to
put the U Bank fight back together,

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Kel Brooke coming out of retirement,
William Smith. Those are big names on

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the British scene that would certainly sell
out wherever they would put that fight would

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be on pay per view obviously,
And from Connor Ben's perspective, again,

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whatever you think about him, you
know, he made the point in the

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pre fight and during in the post
fight that the situation that's kind of hanging

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over him with this this sort of
weares on him. I mean mentally it's

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challenging. I'm not saying you should
feel sorry for him. I'm just stating

407
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a fact that if it was you
or me in that situation, it's going

408
00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,759
to impact you. So maybe he
wasn't one hundred percent focused on the fight

409
00:25:00,839 --> 00:25:04,000
despite him saying he was, and
an impacted his performance. That's also a

410
00:25:04,039 --> 00:25:07,079
possibility. In the end, he
did what he had to do. He

411
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:11,519
got to win. He's got twenty
two rounds in the bank now since September,

412
00:25:11,559 --> 00:25:15,519
which is a good thing if you're
on his you know, if you're

413
00:25:15,519 --> 00:25:18,160
in his camp, because he hadn't
had a fight in seventeen months, that

414
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,960
can only help. And by the
way, maybe because he didn't look so

415
00:25:22,039 --> 00:25:26,759
great against either guy. It might
actually convince one of the bigger names say

416
00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:29,480
you know what, Yeah, I'll
fight this guy he's not much and help

417
00:25:29,559 --> 00:25:32,759
lure one of the bigger names into
the into the fight. All I know

418
00:25:32,839 --> 00:25:34,799
is this TJ. Whatever big name
steps up to the plate to fight Connor

419
00:25:34,839 --> 00:25:38,119
Ben, whether it's a UK fighter
elsewhere, they're going to make a show

420
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,200
a little money because Connor Ben lovemore
Hateham is going to bring a crowd and

421
00:25:41,319 --> 00:25:44,880
audience, a lot of attention from
the fans, a lot of attention from

422
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,759
the media, and it's going to
make a big event. Now, I

423
00:25:47,799 --> 00:25:49,359
don't agree with Eddie Hearn, who
you know, is a promoter, so

424
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,440
he's doing his job. But he
says that Ben versus u Bank is the

425
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:56,160
British fight in British boxing history.
I mean that obviously is a bit of

426
00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:00,720
a what fight he said. It's
what he said, would be the biggest

427
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,480
fight in British boxing history if they
get the match made. I'm sorry,

428
00:26:03,559 --> 00:26:06,480
wasn't he saying that about Anthony Joshua
and Tyson Fury before that? Well,

429
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:07,319
that's the point. I mean,
what about I mean, I don't I

430
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,559
don't view, I don't view controversus. You bank Junior as bigger than the

431
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,359
rematch between their dads, you know
what I mean. But anyway, right,

432
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,079
it's so there's a little you know, there's exaggeration. I don't,

433
00:26:18,079 --> 00:26:19,960
I don't. I don't knock any
promoter for for doing that. I just

434
00:26:21,079 --> 00:26:23,680
I just like to poke holes and
laugh at it there. But it's still

435
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,079
a big fight though, so you
know, Ben gets to win and uh,

436
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,359
not a particularly scintillating fight, not
a particularly great performance, but he

437
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,759
did what he had to do and
the questions are still out there and deservedly

438
00:26:33,839 --> 00:26:38,319
so I repeat what we said more
than a year ago. Uh. Because

439
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:44,559
I took clomid clomaphine as part of
fertility. It is not something the male

440
00:26:44,599 --> 00:26:48,160
body naturally makes. He still to
this second, has not come up with

441
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,880
how did it get in your system? It doesn't accidentally get in your system.

442
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,240
You got to explain what were you
doing? And so he's going to

443
00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:57,920
have to do that coming up or
I don't know. I don't know,

444
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,000
uh, I mean, and the
only other thing just real quick and we'll

445
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,720
get to the rest of the card. Eddie Hearn implied before that they might

446
00:27:04,759 --> 00:27:08,519
fight somewhere else that he and you
Bank might fight somewhere else. Do you

447
00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:12,799
see that as unrealistic to avoid the
British Boxing Board of Control. Do you

448
00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:15,720
see that as unrealistic? Just a
quick answer, Well, whether he fights

449
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,720
you Bank or anybody else, it's
certainly not unrealistic because he is licensed in

450
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,680
the United States and they could make
it. You know, Eddie has involvement

451
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,599
with these events in Saudi Arabia,
and it's a great, big world out

452
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,880
there. There's other places that might
want to bring a sexy kind of fight

453
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,200
in and you know, so absolutely
it's possible. I mean, you know,

454
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,480
one thing about it is when you
think about big fights over the course

455
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,240
of history, like we all love
to fan, you know, to you

456
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:45,119
know, build up and make the
legend and talk about all the big things

457
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,039
like the Rumble in the Jungle and
the Thriller in the mind and romanticize about

458
00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:51,720
those exotic locations for these big time
fights. Well, they only happen in

459
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,960
those places because of the money.
The same reason why these fights today are

460
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,519
happening in Saudi Arabia are why a
big fight would happen in some other sort

461
00:27:57,519 --> 00:28:03,279
of non traditional fight location. That's
the reason why Top rank did a series

462
00:28:03,319 --> 00:28:07,279
of fights in Macau in China because
there's money, and so if there's money

463
00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:10,000
to be put up and they want
to bring in a big fight like a

464
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,000
ben versus you make of course that
could happen. All right, rest of

465
00:28:14,039 --> 00:28:15,960
that card, and we'll get to
Taya Femo Lopez and the conversation you had

466
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,759
with him, and then preview that
fight a little bit here as the pod

467
00:28:18,839 --> 00:28:23,039
goes along. Rest of the match
Room show, including you mentioned Ammo Williams.

468
00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:26,039
It was knockouts throughout that card.
Give me, give me the quick

469
00:28:26,079 --> 00:28:29,599
recaps. Yeah, I mean,
Austin Williams is a good look in up

470
00:28:29,599 --> 00:28:33,359
and coming middleweight. He's now sixteen
and oh who has been with Mattroom from

471
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,880
the beginning That was he was one
of the young prospects they signed out of

472
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,480
the amateur ranks. Kind of in
the same timeframe they signed Williams, they

473
00:28:41,559 --> 00:28:47,480
signed Diego Piccheco. They signed a
few others, but so far the ones

474
00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:51,480
that seemed to be panning out the
best are Williams and Pacheco. But Williams,

475
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,480
I thought he looked really good.
I mean he's now, like I

476
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,119
said, sixteen and oh with eleven
knockouts. He's twenty seven, He's a

477
00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,119
southpaw from Houston, Texas. He's
ready to take on a bigger step up

478
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,720
in my opinion. He took on
a fighter named Armel and Buba Yasa.

479
00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:07,799
Now he was a late replacement for
the injured Connor Coil, so he took

480
00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:11,440
the fight on about a week or
so notice. But he came in and

481
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,359
he looked like he was in great
shape and had some you know, seemed

482
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,559
like he could fight a little bit. I mean, has some punching power.

483
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,720
Also a southbop and but but Williams
looked good. He boxed, he

484
00:29:21,799 --> 00:29:25,119
was aggressive, he really checked all
the box I thought he looked great and

485
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,599
then looking great and then finishing it
off the way he did just brought it

486
00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:30,640
to a different level. He scored
a sensational knockout on a straight left hand,

487
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,960
just knocked him out clean on the
chin, dropped him, landed flat

488
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,200
on his back. His body was
sort of like, you know, half

489
00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:40,440
under the ring rope where his you
know, his head and part of his

490
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,400
torso were sort of outside on the
ring apron and the rest of the body

491
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,720
in. Referee didn't even bother to
count. Harvey Dock just waved it off

492
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,720
without the count. So I thought
it was a really impressive and explosive knockout.

493
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:53,359
And I think this guy's ready to
to take a step up against you

494
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,440
know, not necessarily fighting for a
title in the next fight, or maybe

495
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,599
even not even an eliminator, but
some type of top ten type of opponent,

496
00:30:00,839 --> 00:30:03,759
like a real fight where, you
know, not not just a building

497
00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:07,799
block fight. So look credit to
him because you know he's been doing the

498
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,279
job. He looked good, like
I said, and then that was That

499
00:30:10,359 --> 00:30:11,839
was the co feature, and then
just a word on the two. There

500
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,759
was a four fight card, so
Ben with the way Ama Williams with that

501
00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:17,920
knockout. I mentioned. There was
two other fighters that were on the main

502
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:22,000
cart. There's the heavyweight Johnny Fisher
from England who scored another knockout, a

503
00:30:22,039 --> 00:30:26,240
sensational first round knockout against a ten
and one opponent. Johnny Fisher is a

504
00:30:26,279 --> 00:30:30,920
guy when he turned pro that was
really with Mattrim because he was just a

505
00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:34,039
very popular fighter in his home area
and he sold the shitload of tickets.

506
00:30:34,519 --> 00:30:37,839
He's getting to the point now,
and Eddie Hern made this point on the

507
00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:38,960
broadcast, and I tend to agree
with him. Yeah, he's still a

508
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,680
great ticket seller, and he's still
a great attraction for those people sold to

509
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:47,079
bring money and fans and put what
they say and put bums and seats.

510
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,599
But he's developing now at his he's
only twenty four years old. He's now

511
00:30:51,799 --> 00:30:56,000
eleven and zero with ten knockouts,
and so I think you have to at

512
00:30:56,039 --> 00:31:00,200
this point, with the way he's
winning against copt and if not not great

513
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,960
fighters, but like actual you know, professionals, you got to consider him

514
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,240
a prospect. May not be like
the top fifteen of Rayfield's end of the

515
00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:12,160
year list, but a prospect worth
watching. A big, strong guy with

516
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,359
good power and a good personality and
a big fan base. You want to

517
00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:18,759
see more of them. So that
was the opening fight in this or That

518
00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:22,279
was the second of the of the
two early fights on the main card.

519
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,119
The first one was an American light
heavyweight who is still undefeated. Also he's

520
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:27,640
now eight oh to one. His
name is Khalil Co, who was an

521
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:32,279
outstanding amateur. He ran into some
problems in his life. He did some

522
00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:34,680
time in jail, like a lot
of fighters end up doing, unfortunately,

523
00:31:36,119 --> 00:31:37,240
but he's had to turn the corner
in the last few fights. He's got

524
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,039
four knockouts in a row now,
but this was a fight on this card

525
00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:44,920
where the true degenerates and people that
really look at the at those types of

526
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:49,400
matchups saw him being matched very aggressively
fighting a fighter named jan Harada Osuna from

527
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,680
Mexico at twenty three year old,
who was coming into this fight. It

528
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:57,200
was twenty h and with eighteen knockouts, only twenty three years old, and

529
00:31:57,319 --> 00:32:00,680
that was sort of like, wow, you're really putting him in there.

530
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,559
And to his credit, co was
managed by Keith Conley, and when I

531
00:32:04,599 --> 00:32:07,680
was talking to Keith Conley on another
matter, I asked him about this fight

532
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,400
and he's like, look, my
guy really wanted this fight, so you

533
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,240
know, we gave him the fight, and he went in there and he

534
00:32:13,359 --> 00:32:15,720
just didn't win. He made you
we're talking put it like this. If

535
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:20,720
he had just won a just a
regular old stoppage, or he had just

536
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,559
won a decision, we would not
be speaking about him on this podcast,

537
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,240
I promise you that right. But
because of the way he did, he's

538
00:32:27,319 --> 00:32:30,799
now creating some excitement. He'll get
some word of mouth. We're talking about

539
00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:35,119
it. I'm sure there's others that
will mention here talking about he looked absolutely

540
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,079
sensational. I have watched every one
of his professional fights on before the double

541
00:32:38,119 --> 00:32:40,839
cards and that kind of stuff.
This was his first time being on the

542
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:45,319
main card on his own, and
I guarantee you he is going to be

543
00:32:45,359 --> 00:32:47,200
back on the main card because Eddie
Hearn, who loves knockouts, is going

544
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,279
to want to put the kid back
on. He looks sensational. He scored

545
00:32:51,319 --> 00:32:55,599
three knockdowns, all with body shots. Was absolutely a beast against against this

546
00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:00,680
opponent and just battered him to the
body and just destroyed him in two rounds.

547
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,240
Really really outstanding performance. And you
know, again a light heavyweight to

548
00:33:04,319 --> 00:33:07,319
keep an eye on. We talked
about that division. There's so much big

549
00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:09,039
news going on at the top of
the division with Bibel and better BV and

550
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,680
you know, we saw what happened
with Biwatsi and ass well, this is

551
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,920
a guy that is not at that
level just yet, but at his age

552
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,079
twenty seven, he ain't that far
away if he can keep busy and stay

553
00:33:19,119 --> 00:33:22,519
out of trouble and continue to do
with the work. All good stuff there

554
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,920
at the recap mode and now we're
looking ahead in the preview mode. Tea

555
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:34,160
Femo Lopez fighting this Thursday in Las
Vegas defending his LINEAL and WBO Junior welterweight

556
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,079
belts, and Dan Rayfield spoke with
him in advance a fight week. Let's

557
00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:43,640
get to that conversation right now.
Well, it's my honor to welcome back

558
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,119
to the podcast for another appearance.
It's got a big fight coming up.

559
00:33:46,119 --> 00:33:51,000
It is none other than the junior
welterweight Champion of the World LINEAL and WBO

560
00:33:51,119 --> 00:33:53,039
T Femo Lopez. T Femo,
thank you very much for doing this.

561
00:33:53,119 --> 00:33:57,640
Appreciate it. Thank you, Dan. It's always a pleasure man, and

562
00:33:57,759 --> 00:34:01,720
I appreciate the interview and taking time
out today. You bet anytime. So

563
00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:07,000
we'll tell the people you have your
first title defense of the title you've won

564
00:34:07,079 --> 00:34:10,159
in a second way class. He'll
take on a Jermaine Ortiz February eighth,

565
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,599
live on ESPN at the Mandalay Bay
in Las Vegas, one of my personal

566
00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:17,440
favorite venues to see a fight at. And I'm interested in one of the

567
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,679
things about this fight that somewhat intriguing. I had the same sort of conversation

568
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,159
back when Shaquor Stevenson was fighting on
a Thursday night before a big event in

569
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:30,679
Las Vegas. He fought for a
lightweight title on the on the couple of

570
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,079
days before the big Formula One race
in Las Vegas. You're now in a

571
00:34:34,119 --> 00:34:37,400
similar scenario where you're on the Thursday
night in Vegas at a great arena,

572
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,800
just a few days before the biggest
event in the sports world, the super

573
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,920
Bowl. Give me your thoughts about
being in that position be a lot of

574
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,679
like casual sports fans were casual boxing
fans who were there for the Super Bowl

575
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:51,039
in town looking for things to do, maybe turn out and come and see

576
00:34:51,039 --> 00:34:53,280
you fight on the Thursday night.
Tell me your thoughts on fighting on that

577
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:58,280
date in that city with that event. Well, Dan, I know right,

578
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,159
tell me about it. Well,
super fight. I can also,

579
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,320
like I said, you know,
I want to thank Vegas. I want

580
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,760
to thank Las Vegas, Nevada for
giving me the opportunity. I want to

581
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,519
thank top Rank and Bob Aaram and
Todd to buff I also want to thank,

582
00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:13,760
you know, ESPN for the beautiful
platform. It's all about the kids

583
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,360
at the end of it all,
and just giving the fans what they want.

584
00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:21,559
The best sportings platform in my eyes, you know, that's ESPN.

585
00:35:21,639 --> 00:35:22,920
So when it comes to it,
Manley Bay, I really want to thank

586
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:28,440
them for having to be hosted there
at the michelob Ultra Arena, which so

587
00:35:28,639 --> 00:35:31,280
much history behind it. So many
great fights have happened in that arena,

588
00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:36,199
and so many things have happened just
along the Mandela Bay alone, you know,

589
00:35:36,559 --> 00:35:39,599
from champions to champions, I mean
upsets, people losing their lineal world

590
00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:44,719
title from winning their lineal world title. I mean, so much history behind

591
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,679
it. And then what better way
on Super Bowl Week, you know,

592
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:51,599
I mean where it's the the whole
world is going to be there. I

593
00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:53,880
mean they already just announced it just
right now. I think there's three hundred

594
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:59,719
and thirty eight thousand football fans and
to be in Las Vegas going to be

595
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,480
big. It's gonna be huge.
And what better way than to have the

596
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:07,480
greatest show man right here at Tea
f malopas entertainer. The tank over and

597
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,280
it's great to be back, you
know, I think I graduated from Heisman

598
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:15,440
Night and now when the NFL league
from college to the pro. So before

599
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,400
we get into your fight with Ortiz, because I haven't talked to you since

600
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:22,320
before this fight, you look so
great when you won the title against Josh

601
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,840
Taylor in June. It was a
real outstanding performance. You won the title

602
00:36:25,159 --> 00:36:29,719
in the same ring at the theater
in Madison Square Garden where you suffered your

603
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,079
first and only lost when you lost
a lightweight title. So I was thinking

604
00:36:32,119 --> 00:36:37,960
about that aspect of that fight,
besides just the performance. And you know,

605
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,199
I wonder do you. I mean, I know you have the big,

606
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:44,199
huge win against Lomachenko where you unified
all the titles in the lightweight division,

607
00:36:44,559 --> 00:36:47,920
but it seems to me that that
was your best performance and one of

608
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,800
you and probably your second biggest win, if not biggest, because so many

609
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,760
people doubted you going into Taylor.
Do you think that that Taylor fight was

610
00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:00,880
your biggest win? And if so, why and or why not? I

611
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,239
believe every kind of fight that I
go to, it only gets bigger,

612
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,280
you know, so absolutely, especially
this fight alone where Jamaine Artis is going

613
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,079
to be a big fight for me. But going back to your question about

614
00:37:10,599 --> 00:37:15,039
Josh Taylor, Yeah, absolutely,
I believe that was my best performance that

615
00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:20,320
I've seen myself in my whole career, you know, despite the beating Limatanko

616
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,119
for undisputed you know, at that
time, So you know, just for

617
00:37:23,199 --> 00:37:27,239
those things, you know, especially
in twenty twenty when me and Loma Fa

618
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,119
it was so quiet, there was
no audience, you know, and me,

619
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:34,159
I'm someone that and I'm sure himself. You know, it's like,

620
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,079
what would have happened if there was
an audience there that night, you know,

621
00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:42,000
who would have started off their gears
faster and or whatnot. So that

622
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,760
that's in the past now. But
when we think about Josh Taylor, Yeah,

623
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,159
so many people rip me off.
I mean, it was pretty much

624
00:37:46,159 --> 00:37:50,360
a unanimous decision that I was going
to lose that night, and I'm just

625
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,559
thankful for the way I planted the
seeds to have it that way. You

626
00:37:54,559 --> 00:37:58,480
know, I pretty much I should
be an actor, man, because I

627
00:37:58,679 --> 00:38:01,239
pretended like I was going out going
off the rails again, and that's the

628
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,559
way I do it now, you
know. I just you never know what

629
00:38:04,599 --> 00:38:07,679
you're gonna get from me, especially
on fight week, so I go off

630
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,360
with the media. Well, I
mean, listen, I've I've dealt with

631
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:15,440
a lot of fighters that have used
the media as a way to motivate themselves,

632
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,559
perhaps or perhaps as a chip if
they were being picked against. But

633
00:38:19,639 --> 00:38:22,440
in the aftermath of that, you
know, really outstanding victory and performance that

634
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,800
you had that we just talked about
the best of your career, you thought,

635
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,719
and I thought, then you know, asked the retirement. So I

636
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,920
know that obviously that didn't stick and
I don't think anybody believed it at all

637
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:35,800
for even two seconds. But was
what was in your mind? I saw

638
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,519
some of your comments that say you
were just sort of like pretending and trying

639
00:38:38,519 --> 00:38:42,199
to, you know, get some
attention and fake people out and everything.

640
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,960
It sure didn't seem that way.
But can you just just run through exactly

641
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,280
what your thoughts were about that.
I know you were going through some stuff

642
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,519
in your personal life at that time. What was the deal with the five

643
00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:57,639
second retirement? No, my whole
thing with the whole retirement situation. I

644
00:38:57,679 --> 00:39:00,880
think there was also a loophole.
I know that the Top Ring wanted me

645
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:05,280
to come back in December, and
you know, I already have fought three

646
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,800
times in the nick of ten months, and I didn't really get to spend

647
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,840
time with my son, you know, I mean as part of sacrifices that

648
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,639
we make as champions and as fighters. However, you know I missed his

649
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,719
first steps, I miss his him
crawling, I missed his a lot of

650
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,039
moments that I that I really wanted
to be there for him, so personally

651
00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:25,920
I did it for my own,
my own, my own think of being

652
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,800
a father. Well, I'll interrupt
you for a quick sec because you could

653
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,039
have done all that, and that's
beautiful stuff, because I mean as a

654
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:35,000
father myself, No, you could
have just taken the time off, couln't

655
00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:38,280
you. I know I couldn't have. I'm at a point now in the

656
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:43,480
pinnacle of my career where I have
to think strategically through my career, whether

657
00:39:43,519 --> 00:39:45,199
I retire after or tease. So
be it. You know, it's just

658
00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:51,039
just like stuff that I have to
do to maneuver from loopholes so that I

659
00:39:51,039 --> 00:39:54,480
don't have these fighters or you know, I wouldn't say Poco would do it.

660
00:39:54,679 --> 00:39:59,039
However, I just can't trust nobody
when it comes to business because they

661
00:39:59,039 --> 00:40:01,920
say it's business, not arsenal.
So they can say I have a mandatory

662
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:06,599
and I have to succeed that mandatory
within these months and then I have to

663
00:40:06,599 --> 00:40:08,360
fight in December. If I say
no to that, then maybe they'll take

664
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:13,280
my belt away, Brunal, They'll
take my belt away and stuff like that,

665
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,800
and then there goes my my reign
of champions. So you mentioned though,

666
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:20,119
yeah, you mentioned how you top
rank was talking about maybe doing a

667
00:40:20,119 --> 00:40:22,000
fight in December on why I guess
what would have been the Heisman night back

668
00:40:22,039 --> 00:40:27,400
in New York against Jose Ranires was
the opponent that was being discussed, who

669
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,119
was a former champion himself, So
that didn't happen, and then he was

670
00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:34,960
offered to you as your opponent for
this date in February. You're fighting Ortiz,

671
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,480
but Ramirez was the guy gets the
top rank made a handsome offer to

672
00:40:37,519 --> 00:40:40,800
I'm told more than two million dollars
to fight to plus yep, I'll comeback

673
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:45,000
fight for good money if he lost
the fight. He turned that down.

674
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,159
Do you feel like that he was
just sort of ducking you? I want

675
00:40:49,159 --> 00:40:51,679
to say, Doug, he just
said that he wasn't ready in time for

676
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,000
the fight. You know, that's
not my fault. You know, a

677
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,079
true champion stays ready, you know, doesn't get ready on when they get

678
00:40:57,119 --> 00:41:00,159
the call, you know. And
I actually been training since August, so

679
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:05,639
I took about six weeks out after
Taylor and I celebrated my win with him

680
00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:08,239
and everything, and then after that
I just started saying I said let me

681
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:12,000
get back in the gym. You
know. I started off slowly in August

682
00:41:12,039 --> 00:41:15,119
and ever since then. I mean
we're in January now, mid January,

683
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:19,039
almost at the end of January.
I've basically be in camp for like almost

684
00:41:19,079 --> 00:41:22,119
six months already, you know.
So it's been a long time and it's

685
00:41:22,159 --> 00:41:24,679
a long time coming. I knew
that I wasn't done with the sport.

686
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:30,159
I just needed some time off mentally, physically, spiritually from just the sport

687
00:41:30,199 --> 00:41:34,280
itself, and also to let my
wife, which is boxing, you know,

688
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,719
let her feel all these other fighters
out and let her choose who she

689
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,760
wants back. You know, if
I'm always in the mix, she may

690
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:44,480
not know who she needs back in
the game. And it showed, you

691
00:41:44,519 --> 00:41:45,880
know, And also it showed,
you know, I thought of a bigger

692
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,880
picture. You know. I love
Madison Square Garden. It's always my home.

693
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,880
You know. I fought there nine
times. I like you said,

694
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,679
I've won my titles, lost my
titles, and won them back again,

695
00:41:55,159 --> 00:41:58,639
you know. So I have a
lot of great history in New York.

696
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,159
However, you know, I'm thinking
about a bigger, greater scale for me,

697
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,559
you know, and that's Super Bowl
stuff, Like this is the biggest,

698
00:42:06,639 --> 00:42:09,760
huge. This is like the most
This is the biggest, the biggest.

699
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:15,719
It's like ginormous event in sporting events
in Las Vegas and it's hosted here

700
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,920
for Super Bowl. I mean,
this is bigger than Formula one. Formula

701
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:24,400
one. Yeah, Formula one was
more europe than it was American. This

702
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:30,679
is everybody knows. Everybody knows NFL
football is America's number one sport. Yeah,

703
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:31,400
no doubt about it. And uh, I know that one of the

704
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:36,320
other fights, when when it was
being discussed of what your schedule would be,

705
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:37,920
like, who you would fight in
your first fight back in this year.

706
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:42,880
I know that Bob, you know, from Top Rank, he had

707
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,000
meetings with Oscar de la Hoya from
Golden Boy. They were discussing the prospect

708
00:42:45,039 --> 00:42:47,800
of maybe you and Ryan Garcia,
which is a huge fight. No offense

709
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:52,320
to Jamaine Ortiz or even to Jose
Rimers, but obviously that's a much bigger

710
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:57,320
fight given the names involved. But
between yourself and Garcia U and then sort

711
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,400
of nothing really ever came of that. Was that a fight that you were

712
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,159
interested in? I mean, you've
got Ortiz now, but what happened there

713
00:43:01,159 --> 00:43:07,280
in your mind? I think that
it was just miscommunication. I think managers,

714
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,400
I think people like Middleman just trying
to come involved in trying to get

715
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:14,280
their hands in something that that they
shouldn't get themselves involved in, you know,

716
00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:16,719
whether it was on one side,
my side, or their side.

717
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:21,159
I think that this is just something
that needs to be handled through the promoter

718
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,880
themselves and the fighter, not the
not the managers. I think the managers

719
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:28,559
need to step aside and let the
let the fighters and promoters deal with that

720
00:43:28,679 --> 00:43:31,639
stuff. Well. However, however, you know, it doesn't work that

721
00:43:31,679 --> 00:43:35,519
way sometimes, and it happened the
way it did for those reasons. You

722
00:43:35,519 --> 00:43:38,159
know, maybe it wasn't the right
time. And you know, whether that

723
00:43:38,199 --> 00:43:43,840
comes back around later later down this
year or next year, whatever it comes

724
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,679
next, you know, then that's
something that we could talk about again.

725
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:51,000
But in the meanstimes, my main
focus is Jermaine Ortiz. Now, Jermaine

726
00:43:51,039 --> 00:43:52,840
Ortiz, he had, I mean, you have the win over Lomachenko,

727
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:57,440
which was obviously a very big victory
and a big fight for the sport.

728
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,679
He didn't beat Lomachenko, but he
certainly gave him one of the toughest test

729
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,800
he's ever had, which is probably
one of the main reasons why he's getting

730
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:07,320
the opportunity to fight you. He
didn't win a fight since then. What

731
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,960
do you think about him? His
performance against Loma and now he's moving up

732
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:14,159
to fight you for your title?
Well, no, you know this is

733
00:44:14,199 --> 00:44:17,639
great. I'm always about fighting the
best and competitive fighters and challengers. I

734
00:44:17,679 --> 00:44:22,000
mean, me and Jermaine Ortiz have
history between each other from nine years ago

735
00:44:22,039 --> 00:44:25,840
in twenty fifteen and the National Golden
Gloves in the finals. Everybody knows the

736
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:30,840
National Golden Gloves is not something that's
light. It's very hard to compete in.

737
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:36,480
You're fighting five days straight, so
you're fighting one time every day for

738
00:44:36,559 --> 00:44:38,559
five days straight. So you know, for him to even make it to

739
00:44:38,559 --> 00:44:42,920
the finals that year in twenty fifteen, I know, I'm up against somebody

740
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,840
that's definitely competitive, has the skill
sets to handle himself. And then look,

741
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:50,280
he faced the City Limitchanko. But
you know, I heard some reports

742
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,320
and it's a true report that he
had prior to that, has sparted with

743
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:58,440
Loma for months prior to that,
So I think that Jermaine already knew what

744
00:44:58,559 --> 00:45:00,639
kind of style Loma was to give
him when they face each other, and

745
00:45:00,679 --> 00:45:04,679
he performed the way he did,
maybe with just because of confidence. But

746
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,280
see, the thing is different now. You know I faced Loma when he

747
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,280
was in his prime. You know, number one pounds for pound, even

748
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,239
in your eyes, you have number
one pounds pound one of the best fighters,

749
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,599
untouchable over Canelo, over Prawford.
So when it came to it,

750
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,920
you know, these guys are facing
somebody that I took. I took the

751
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,719
heart out of it, you know. So I'm not really overlooking him at

752
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,400
all. I don't ever overlook any
fighter, you know. I think a

753
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,719
lot of people are thinking that I'm
taking or tease lightly. But it's okay,

754
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,039
I don't think that at all.
I don't think that at all.

755
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,559
No, No, I'm not saying
you. I'm just saying the other ones

756
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:42,280
of casuals that maybe not understand the
depths of boxing like you understand the study

757
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,920
of boxing. I mean, this
is what you've done. You covered boxing

758
00:45:45,039 --> 00:45:51,920
for longer than my life. Sold
twenty six, you know, it's not

759
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,559
that far off. I'm going into
your twenty four, so it's close,

760
00:45:54,639 --> 00:45:59,880
okay, So imagine that though,
So imagine that though you've seen a lot

761
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:02,639
those twenty four years, you know, and it's like You've seen and covered

762
00:46:02,679 --> 00:46:06,519
a lot of great champions, real
champions. You know, this day and

763
00:46:06,559 --> 00:46:08,119
the era, this modern day era
of boxing is a bit different. You

764
00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:10,719
know, it's a bit more.
You know, it's a it's a slap

765
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,840
to the boxing world. But going
back to it, you know, I

766
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:21,119
just great guy, great fighter.
We try to fight everybody else. We

767
00:46:21,159 --> 00:46:22,880
try to get everybody. When I
didn't have a contract in front of me,

768
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:27,760
we try to put Sabrill Matias in
the mix. He said he had

769
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,679
a hand injury, whatever the case
would be. We try to give these

770
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,519
guys opportunities to face us. You
know, don't call me out if you're

771
00:46:34,559 --> 00:46:37,920
not ready. It's pretty much what
I say. And because I'm that type

772
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,400
of person, will step and have
my team send you a contract. And

773
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:44,280
no one stepped up to the plate. But the moment that we signed our

774
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,519
deal with Shamyn Ortiz, how many
people called me out. Well, let

775
00:46:47,559 --> 00:46:50,800
me ask you about the the Jermaine
Ortiz part of it. Though you mentioned

776
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,920
about that twenty fifteen National goal gloves
final. First of all, do you

777
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,320
remember the I know you know you
fought him, obviously, do you remember

778
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,239
the actual bout? And I've seen
the these types of matchups in the past,

779
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:06,639
where you've got fighters that have amateur
experience against each other, you know,

780
00:47:06,639 --> 00:47:09,360
and maybe even a big spot,
and you know, it's not necessarily

781
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,880
the same thing happens in the pro
meeting, but it always lends itself to

782
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,960
a storyline going into the fight.
So what do you remember about that matchup?

783
00:47:16,039 --> 00:47:21,000
And do you think there's anything at
all whatsoever that can be gleaned from

784
00:47:21,039 --> 00:47:23,280
you or from him as you go
into a professional match that has any bearing

785
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:28,280
whatsoever? What will happen on February
eighth. To be honest, like,

786
00:47:28,519 --> 00:47:31,559
I'm not gonna say much, but
all I can say is that his style

787
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:37,400
hasn't changed. It's been the same
since twenty fifteen. My style has definitely

788
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:42,480
changed because I look to challenge myself, challenge my skills, challenge my IQ,

789
00:47:42,639 --> 00:47:45,199
and challenge my when I train.
I'm gonna be honest, Dan,

790
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:49,440
When I train for these fighters,
I train on how to beat myself because

791
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,400
I know that's their main focus.
The main focus is trying to throw over

792
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,119
and rights. Their main focus is
trying to pressure or box try it a

793
00:47:55,119 --> 00:47:59,960
wait for me to come in.
I mean, I know their game plans,

794
00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:01,800
not much that you can do.
At that moment when I think about

795
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:05,800
all those things and I focus on
it, I have my trainer, Trainer

796
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,760
of the Year that Eddie Fletcherward in
twenty twenty two, if you will open

797
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:12,880
Senior. So you know, we
study these things and we've been watching film.

798
00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:15,880
I you know, the only reason
why you've seen that type of performance

799
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,000
with Josh Taylor is because that was
the first guy I actually started watching film

800
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,039
and studying. So I'm only going
to get better from this point oh forward,

801
00:48:22,039 --> 00:48:27,880
because we're watching NonStop every night after
midnight, We're watching and sitting down.

802
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,400
Sometimes I even fall asleep watching Jamina
T's just just because of the fact

803
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:35,920
that I'm studying him that much.
It's not falling because he's not exciting,

804
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,760
right, No, No, I'm
just not exciting, Yeah, for sure,

805
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,320
you know, and I'm not you
know, so all those things,

806
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,360
you know, comes to play.
I know this kid has a lot to

807
00:48:45,159 --> 00:48:49,199
gain rather than lose. But that
amateur fight, that amateur fight than you

808
00:48:49,199 --> 00:48:52,920
think, has had nothing to do
with anything going on on the eighth.

809
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,119
It's a lot different, man,
I'm a lot different, you know.

810
00:48:54,199 --> 00:48:57,960
When we face each other, I
was seventeen. I mean I'm twenty six.

811
00:48:58,039 --> 00:49:00,639
Now I'm starting to get my man
strength, you know what I'm saying,

812
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,199
And same as him. You know, he's just coming up to the

813
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:06,960
one forty division. He had a
rough, rugged fight against Moran, but

814
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,440
he still prevailed and came on top. So obviously he has a he has

815
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:14,400
a bit of flame in his heart, and it's all about that night.

816
00:49:14,599 --> 00:49:17,599
Who has more about champion's heart?
Now, I know obviously that this is

817
00:49:17,639 --> 00:49:22,039
the fight in front of you,
but I've also seen your comments about Terrence

818
00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:24,960
Crawford, and certainly it is not
out of the realm for the guy who's

819
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:29,760
the junior welterweight world champion to meet
the guy who is the welterweight champion.

820
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,400
It has happened a million times in
boxing, and obviously, well, I

821
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,039
mean it's obvious. It's not like
you're calling out the guy that's the light

822
00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:38,239
heavyweight champion or you know, a
guy that's the featherweight champion. It's one

823
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:42,119
division. They're trying to make it
that, they trying to make it seem

824
00:49:42,119 --> 00:49:43,840
that way. Well, let me
see that guy this straight. You were

825
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,039
lightweight champion, he was lightweight champion. You are the junior welterweight champion.

826
00:49:47,039 --> 00:49:51,039
He was the junior welterweight champion and
now he's the welterweight champion. So it's

827
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:52,920
it seems to make sense to me. But I wonder what put that germ

828
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,760
in your mind? Do you think
it's possible? I mean, I saw

829
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,360
you know that back and forth.
Guy is I'll be honest, is the

830
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,480
only guy that gets me going yeah, yeah, like not not? Why

831
00:50:04,519 --> 00:50:07,599
he they have their own agenda with
him. It's not Ryan Garcia, it's

832
00:50:07,639 --> 00:50:12,719
not Devin Haney, It's Terrace Crawford. Because that's the macdaddy of all these

833
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,800
other fighters, you know, it's
that that's the macdaddy. You know if

834
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:21,199
these guys chaquor all these guys look
up to him like that's their macdaddy.

835
00:50:21,679 --> 00:50:22,880
And I always like that, you
know. I always like facing the guy

836
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:27,199
that everybody looks up to the most. And that's just who I've always been.

837
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,360
You know, you think he's the
best, Okay, great, I

838
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,440
know I'm the best. He thinks
he's the best. You know, But

839
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:35,400
Bob called me yesterday told me,
just you know, focus on this fight

840
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,519
we'll get with Jamina Tis. There's
no point in expressing more about Crawford until

841
00:50:39,559 --> 00:50:43,320
this fight, you know. And
and I totally understand, and I take

842
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,280
his advice, and and I told
Bob, you know, hey, I'm

843
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:51,000
only coming back just so that so
that you can have you can have a

844
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,559
bit of say so coming back into
this, you know, with with with

845
00:50:55,199 --> 00:50:59,199
just his fighter. So we're gonna
get to see more of you this year

846
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:00,199
then, I mean, you got
this coming up, I mean the Crawford

847
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,519
fight. Who knows, there's other
champions in the weight class. If you

848
00:51:02,519 --> 00:51:07,639
decided you want to pursue a unifier
you mentioned about Garcia. Are we gonna

849
00:51:07,639 --> 00:51:08,760
get to see you more than just
a one time this year? You think?

850
00:51:09,679 --> 00:51:12,880
Oh yeah, most definitely. I
mean, listen, you gotta think

851
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,079
about it. I mean, I
thought three times in ten months I needed

852
00:51:15,079 --> 00:51:17,440
some time to relax and rest my
body. At the same time, now

853
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:22,960
that I have all this recovery,
recovery and all this time to within myself,

854
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,440
to know myself and thyself, I've
come to realization, you know,

855
00:51:25,559 --> 00:51:29,000
three to four times it is only
gonna make me better, you know,

856
00:51:29,079 --> 00:51:31,639
So I look forward at least minimum
is three times you'll see me four times

857
00:51:31,679 --> 00:51:36,079
if I even even if I got
to do a one off outside of top

858
00:51:36,159 --> 00:51:38,239
rank just to do like an exhibition
or something. I'll take that chance,

859
00:51:38,679 --> 00:51:43,039
you know, and give top rank
percentage from that. You know. I'm

860
00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:46,000
just I'm at that point now where
I'm in a great position. All I

861
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:50,119
can say, I really am Dan. It takes a lot of It took

862
00:51:50,119 --> 00:51:53,320
a lot of time. However,
with all these other stablemates of top rank

863
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,880
losing and looking the way they do, it only makes me greater. And

864
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,480
what I do on February eighth is
only gonna make it best. So you

865
00:52:00,519 --> 00:52:04,199
got I'm gonna wrap up with this
te female. You have the fight on

866
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,840
the super Bowl week, and you
sound very excited and am thup for that.

867
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:08,679
Look, the people are gonna hear
the video or hear the audio,

868
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:14,239
but I see you smiling and flexing
those muscles of yours. I saw the

869
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,599
recent video the Top Rank did that
they did with you. They put on

870
00:52:16,639 --> 00:52:21,400
their social media about uh uh,
you know, I'm a boxer and I

871
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,280
do this, and I'm a boxer
I do It was absolutely hilarious and I

872
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:27,280
would encourage our listeners to go and
search that out. But it was really

873
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,760
well done. But the point I'm
making yours. You were very up Be.

874
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,599
You came across incredibly well. In
that video, you seem like you're

875
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:36,199
very happy and in a good place
right now. I know you've had other

876
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,119
stuff going on in your personal life
and everything. Are you in a happy

877
00:52:38,119 --> 00:52:42,800
place right now? To be honest, I am. You know, That's

878
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,239
what I needed. I think spending
time quality time with my son. I

879
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:49,239
mean it's my first kid. You
know, he owes my name Dan to

880
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,920
your female open is the fifth And
for me it was more about like,

881
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:58,760
I want to reconnect with my childhood
and that was my son and having that

882
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,960
moment just those six month month whether
it was yeah, it was six months

883
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:06,480
of just spending time with him,
getting to see him grow every day.

884
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,239
He brought light into my heart and
that's really what made me happy. And

885
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:14,239
that piece, you know, outside
of all the darkness that comes around and

886
00:53:14,679 --> 00:53:19,119
in our sports and stuff that doesn't
even matter, you know. So when

887
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:21,880
it came to it, yeah,
you know, I'm in the very happiest.

888
00:53:22,039 --> 00:53:23,760
I'm at my happiest place now because
of that. You know, I'm

889
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:28,159
at my happiest because I know my
son is okay, he's happy, We've

890
00:53:28,159 --> 00:53:31,280
seeing his dad. He he loves
me. He sees me as a as

891
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:35,559
his hero, and all I could
do is and another thing, you know,

892
00:53:36,039 --> 00:53:37,920
he knocked me out. You know, my son is he just turned

893
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,320
too. He knocked me out for
the belts, so I got to defend

894
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:44,800
his championship belts. You know,
come February eighth. You know, if

895
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:46,559
not, I got to go talk
to the champ over there, he's gonna

896
00:53:46,599 --> 00:53:50,280
have to talk to Daddy again.
I hear that. Well. I can

897
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:55,440
just say that a happy Lopez who's
active in bringing big fights and excitement is

898
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,679
a good thing for the sport,
and I guess good for you also,

899
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,000
So I wish you good luck or
Teaz, and I appreciate the time.

900
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:06,760
Likewise, Dan, thank you and
to everyone listening. Yes, you guys

901
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,199
do not want to miss this fight
February eighth at the middle of Ultra Arena

902
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:14,719
and Mandela Bay. It'll be live
on ESPN and you can also see it

903
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:19,119
on ESPN Plus App and Sky Sports
for everyone in the UK. You got

904
00:54:19,119 --> 00:54:21,840
the promotion down, Pad, so
good luck. And I don't even have

905
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,639
to say because you just let everybody
know take over promotions, Yes, sir,

906
00:54:25,679 --> 00:54:30,519
thank you very much. To Femo, you got it dead, good

907
00:54:30,519 --> 00:54:35,119
stuff. With him, and again
he comes off of one of the best

908
00:54:35,119 --> 00:54:38,719
performances of his career, certainly the
best performance since he beat Lomachenko to Femo

909
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:44,000
Lopez beating Josh Taylor. And now
here we go with his title defense.

910
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,320
Super Bowl Mayhem coming this weekend,
and this is right in Las Vegas,

911
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:52,400
this is right in the throes of
it on Thursday night. Look forward to

912
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,639
that. We'll see what Jamaine Ortiz
brings. We previewed it on the bet

913
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:58,199
Us Show. Just a couple of
thoughts, a couple more thoughts and wrapping

914
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,719
it up well, I mean,
anytime Tim Lopez gets in the ring,

915
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:07,119
you have to be interested and excited
at anticipating it because he brings drama,

916
00:55:07,159 --> 00:55:12,400
he brings charisma, he brings you
know, a lot of conversation. He's

917
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,599
one of the best fighters in boxing. And then the reality is that he's

918
00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:17,920
had his ups and downs. But
when it's come to you know, I

919
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,800
mean, he's got the upset loss
to Cambosa's that's never going to go away,

920
00:55:22,159 --> 00:55:25,320
but he's got two humongous wins also
to go along with that that you

921
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:29,679
know, are as good, if
not better than anything that you know.

922
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,400
Cambos is beating him was, which
is, like you said, the victory

923
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:37,079
over Lomachenko to unify titles in the
lightweight division. And then you know,

924
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,719
as he said in the in the
interview, which because I asked him about

925
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:44,079
this, I mean some people might
view the Lomachenko victory as the best win.

926
00:55:44,159 --> 00:55:45,599
I view that tailor fighter is the
best. When he agreed with me,

927
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:50,800
because Taylor was undefeated, he was
the underdog. You know, we

928
00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:54,000
had known the kind of issues he
had had prior to that, with with

929
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,559
with his own issues with the injury, and with all the stuff that happened

930
00:55:57,559 --> 00:56:02,360
with cambosis, with his caught on
camera self doubt after his very close and

931
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,239
and uh and uh, you know, I won't say disputed, but you

932
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,840
know, a much closer fight than
anticipated against sand Or Martin. Uh and

933
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,119
for him to come in there and
just shred Josh Taylor shows you what the

934
00:56:12,119 --> 00:56:15,079
guy has made of. And uh, look, Jamaine Ortiz is no joke.

935
00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:16,199
I mean he's a good fighter.
Also, he gave Wimachenko a really

936
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:20,280
tough fight. Uh. They have, as we talked about, very much,

937
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,280
uh know each other from their experience
of fighting each other at a high

938
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,760
level final in an amateur tournament for
the Golden Gloves Championship, you know,

939
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:30,360
nine years ago, and uh,
I think Jermaine Ortiz is gonna come to

940
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:31,639
fight. He knows what's that stake
here. And for look, t Fimo,

941
00:56:31,639 --> 00:56:35,719
it's not like he chose Ortiz.
He was they were looking at doing

942
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,119
a Ryan Garcia five potentially, they
were looking at doing a more and more

943
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:43,559
seriously a Jose Ramirez fight that was
turned down. And so here you go,

944
00:56:43,639 --> 00:56:45,519
Ti Fimo back in the back in
the ring, uh, taking Las

945
00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:49,599
Vegas by storm. And if he
wins his fight, I mean, there's

946
00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:52,199
so many other big possibilities out there
for him. Uh it would be uh,

947
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,960
you know, just another another in
a series of fights that just get

948
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,840
his hat. And if Dortiz wins, great upset, you know, against

949
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:00,480
the top fighter. I mean,
I'm really looking forward to this one,

950
00:57:01,639 --> 00:57:06,719
no doubt. All Right. Kishan
Davis is the co feature fight against the

951
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:13,719
veteran Jose the Sniper Padraza. This
will be a lightweight co feature fight there

952
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,360
from the Mandalay Bay, A quick
foughd er two. We're looking for Keishawn

953
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:20,599
Davis to take big steps in twenty
twenty four and leading to twenty twenty five.

954
00:57:20,639 --> 00:57:23,280
Here we go with a step up
in competition real quick. This is

955
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:29,320
the line of demarcation in Keishaw's career
so far. He's done what you're supposed

956
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:30,440
to do as a young prospect,
coming off you know, being a silver

957
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:36,360
medalist in the Olympics and being featured, you know, taking on you know,

958
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,000
good opponents for where you are in
your career as a young fighter,

959
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:42,199
and guys with good records and you
know, guys who've had experience. He's

960
00:57:42,239 --> 00:57:45,519
fought guys that have fought for world
titles that type of thing, or ben

961
00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:49,159
highly ranked. But this is a
different level because so he's done what he's

962
00:57:49,159 --> 00:57:52,239
had to do in the first nine
fights. Now you step up and you

963
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,639
fight. Well, actually it's actually
ten fights because the last fight was a

964
00:57:54,679 --> 00:57:59,119
no contest because he failed the drug
test for a positive for marijuana, which

965
00:57:59,119 --> 00:58:01,639
is still a band substance even if
it's not you know, illegal in terms

966
00:58:01,679 --> 00:58:06,360
of you know, private people using
it for recreation in most places. So

967
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,119
he's got this will be his eleventh
fight, and he's got the one no

968
00:58:08,199 --> 00:58:13,360
contest that took place back in October. Anyway, Padraza, first of all,

969
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,960
Padraza has won world titles at one
hundred and thirty one hundred and thirty

970
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:22,960
five pounds. He is a former
Olympian, He's a veteran fighter. He

971
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:24,920
may not be what he was when
he was at his best. I mean

972
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:29,440
that's you know, granted, but
he's no joke either. He still can

973
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,559
handle himself. He still only loses
to the very top guys when he has

974
00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:36,679
lost. And the reality is this, He's also a bigger, a big

975
00:58:36,719 --> 00:58:39,000
guy who's been used to fighting at
one hundred and forty pounds for the last

976
00:58:39,039 --> 00:58:42,440
few years. He's even had,
you know, a fight that was over

977
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,599
one hundred and forty pounds. He's
coming down to lightweight. We'll see how

978
00:58:45,639 --> 00:58:50,280
that works out for him. That
all said, I mean, the defensive

979
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:54,239
prowess, the speed, the youth, the energy, all the things that

980
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:59,440
you look for in a young fighter. Keishan Davis has that in spades compared

981
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,840
to where Padras in his career.
You know, Padras I like to call

982
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:05,719
like he's the grizzle veteran. You
know, he'll win some, he'll lose

983
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,159
some. He'll make sure you're in
a fight. He's not going to go

984
00:59:07,199 --> 00:59:10,719
out cheap. But you know,
this should be a kind of fight that

985
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:15,000
Davis will win when you look back, you know, if someday he reaches

986
00:59:15,039 --> 00:59:17,639
the promise that so many haffrom as
being a world champion, of being a

987
00:59:17,679 --> 00:59:21,880
pound for pound caliber talent. You'll
let back at his records, you know

988
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,960
what, that was a good early
career win where he beat a former champion.

989
00:59:25,239 --> 00:59:28,639
You know, you can pick any
young fighter. Go look at like

990
00:59:28,719 --> 00:59:32,760
the careers of pick a guy Dale
Hooyat Mayweather, any of the great amateurs

991
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:37,039
that came through. You'll see,
you know, andre Ward had it.

992
00:59:37,079 --> 00:59:39,440
I mean we can go through out
chapter and verse of guys that had this

993
00:59:39,599 --> 00:59:44,559
type of fight, you know,
in that pre championship part of their career.

994
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:49,119
This is that type of fight for
Keishan Davis. Right now, good

995
00:59:49,199 --> 00:59:52,719
stuff on all of that. Let's
quickly get to some news and some nostalgia

996
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:58,559
before we are done. So you
were talking about the Saudi Entertainment Authority and

997
00:59:58,639 --> 01:00:04,960
Turkey alask He confirm what you had
been reporting. The light heavyweight undisputed world

998
01:00:05,039 --> 01:00:07,559
title fight will be June first,
and the undercard is gonna mix. What

999
01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:12,559
else they were talking about with Frank
Warren and Eddie Hearn right coming up.

1000
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:17,159
Well, that's what Turkey said on
that interview where they had Tyson Ferry with

1001
01:00:17,159 --> 01:00:21,599
the cut over his left eye,
not his right eye, and he did

1002
01:00:21,639 --> 01:00:24,559
mention about that better bv and Bevall
would be fighting on June first, which

1003
01:00:24,599 --> 01:00:29,880
I reported that like two weeks ago. I don't I don't think it's one

1004
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:31,679
hundred percent signed yet. I don't
think there's a problem. I had written

1005
01:00:31,719 --> 01:00:36,679
about the fact that the Bevoll has
done that fight. Part of the their

1006
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:38,360
sign on their end, it was
that they were still working out some of

1007
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:42,840
the particulars, you know, with
the with the legal stuff and the paperwork

1008
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,760
with top rank. There's no issue. I don't think there's any conflicts,

1009
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:50,440
But it just that the Saudis are
new to this and they have shown a

1010
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:55,000
propensity in their brief period of time
in boxing the highest level to sometimes get

1011
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,719
a little bit fast and loose with
their announcements. Now, I don't think

1012
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,639
it's anything that they're doing on purposer
in any kind of nefarious way. It

1013
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:07,719
just maybe a little bit of a
lack of experience within the sports legal parameters,

1014
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:12,039
so they'll sometimes announce things before they're
actually done, which they may learn

1015
01:01:12,039 --> 01:01:15,119
in the future is not the best
way to approaching because they can sometimes cost

1016
01:01:15,159 --> 01:01:17,360
you more money or come back to
bite you. Doesn't seem like they care

1017
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:22,480
about the money necessarily, so whatever. In the end, Turkey announced the

1018
01:01:22,519 --> 01:01:24,960
fight was June one. I don't
think it's one hundred percent paper yet,

1019
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,760
but it will be and it probably
will still be June one. The interesting

1020
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:30,360
aspect that he brought up is though, when that fight is one hundred percent

1021
01:01:30,679 --> 01:01:35,679
sign sealed and delivered that When they
were at the press conference to talk about

1022
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,599
the Anthony Joshua Andeganu fight that was
gonna take that's taking place in March,

1023
01:01:39,119 --> 01:01:44,960
one of the things that came up
there besides that fight was the conversations that

1024
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,880
took place between Turkey and Eddie Hearn
and Frank Warren, you know, the

1025
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:52,320
two British rival promoters, to do
a card that features five of the Frank

1026
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:57,280
Warren fighters taking on five of the
Matchroom fighters in the same way. Class

1027
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,320
it was. It was it sounded
like at the time they would be separate

1028
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:04,639
events. You'd have the Joshuan one, you'd have better be another card.

1029
01:02:04,679 --> 01:02:07,599
You'd have this so called five on
five on another card. As it turns

1030
01:02:07,599 --> 01:02:12,480
out again. According to what he
said during this interview with Ariel Hawani,

1031
01:02:13,199 --> 01:02:16,920
that it will actually be the five
on five will be the undercard of better

1032
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:22,440
be against People, which is,
you know, going to add some interest

1033
01:02:22,519 --> 01:02:25,320
to that card also, So that
was his announcement. We'll see it actually

1034
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:29,559
comes to fast. But that's a
pretty cool idea. They did shake hands

1035
01:02:29,599 --> 01:02:32,159
and say done, and so now
let's see if it all does get done

1036
01:02:32,559 --> 01:02:36,599
for June the first. Okay,
we bring this back up while we go

1037
01:02:36,639 --> 01:02:42,719
through the news. They're talking for
whatever it's worth again after Ryan Garcia basically

1038
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,920
walked away from the discussions with Devin
Haney, and Devin Haney and Ryan Garcia

1039
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,719
both confirmed that that Heny was like, he doesn't want to he doesn't want

1040
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:53,239
that. Well, now they're talking
again for April to twentieth. So on

1041
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:58,480
the Rayfield met meter, how much
should we pay attention to these discussions?

1042
01:02:58,639 --> 01:03:00,599
Is this a two? Is it
a six? Is it an eight?

1043
01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:05,800
That this could actually happen and the
discussions are back on, I'm gonna say

1044
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:07,559
it's about I'll say it's like a
seven point five, okay, And I

1045
01:03:07,599 --> 01:03:12,639
say that because of a couple of
reasons. Number One, you have both

1046
01:03:12,679 --> 01:03:15,199
the promoters oscar And and Eddie both
on the records saying we're talking and we're

1047
01:03:15,199 --> 01:03:19,360
trying to do the fight and when
they want, when they're backing it,

1048
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,599
then usually that can happen. They're
also both on the same broadcaster with his

1049
01:03:22,719 --> 01:03:27,360
design, so there's no you know, funny business. You got to deal

1050
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,519
with what you're dealing with, you
know, another broadcaster, so you had

1051
01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:32,639
to bring a whole other group of
executives into the conversation, so that's a

1052
01:03:32,639 --> 01:03:38,400
good thing. You also have the
fact that Ryan Garcia had said they wanted

1053
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:44,639
to fight Heiny went had a couple
of jogging lessons I guess, or sessions

1054
01:03:44,639 --> 01:03:46,760
I should say, with Floyd Mayweather, and suddenly he then wants to fight

1055
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:52,039
Floyd's fighter, Roly Ramiro for the
WBA title. And in fairness to Floyd,

1056
01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:54,199
it would have made more of business
sense to go get a title against

1057
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:58,880
Roly and then have a unification against
Devin to make it even bigger in terms

1058
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,360
of your money, as opposed to
just challenging in the first place for the

1059
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:05,880
WBC tennel. But put that deside. That didn't happen because whatever the conversations

1060
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:11,360
were about Roly versus Ryan Roy ended
up taking an offer and doing this fight

1061
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:13,400
that he's gonna have against Pitt pull
Cruz. That's going to be the co

1062
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:16,880
feature March thirtieth, when PBC and
Amazon kickoff their agreement with their pay per

1063
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:21,880
view headlined by the Tim Zoo fight. You know again, you know in

1064
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:27,159
that that particular card against Keith thurmant
So that meant Ryan Garcia now needs another

1065
01:04:27,159 --> 01:04:30,480
opponent and Devin he doesn't have a
like logical opponent either right there, because

1066
01:04:30,559 --> 01:04:34,760
other guys are you know, Gervonta
Davis has certainly not been calling his way

1067
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:39,760
or anything like that, or the
other guy either. You know. Golden

1068
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:43,840
Boy had mentioned the possibility of Josey
Ramirez against Ryan Garcia. I mean,

1069
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:45,599
that'd be an okay fight, but
it's certainly not as big of a deal

1070
01:04:45,599 --> 01:04:50,880
as a Devin Hainey fight, And
it just seems like the stars aligned.

1071
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:55,400
T Fimo Lopez is not available to
fight either one of those guys in April

1072
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:59,000
because he's fighting, you know,
this coming week. Anyway, The point

1073
01:04:59,079 --> 01:05:02,199
is, if you want a big
fight, there's only a small universe of

1074
01:05:02,239 --> 01:05:06,840
guys that qualify as a quote unquote
big fight. Ryan Garcia challenging Devin Hainey

1075
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:11,039
for his world title. That qualifies
as a big fight, So it makes

1076
01:05:11,079 --> 01:05:14,639
logical sense. Now, it's one
thing for Dezonne to want to do the

1077
01:05:14,679 --> 01:05:16,079
fight, it would obviously be pay
per view. It's another thing for Golden

1078
01:05:16,119 --> 01:05:19,199
Boy and Natroom to be on the
same page. The two fighters have definitely

1079
01:05:19,199 --> 01:05:23,000
said numerous times they want to fight
each other. It's got that great history

1080
01:05:23,239 --> 01:05:26,360
as amateurs where they're three and three
against each other. Well, what it

1081
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,559
comes down to is what's the money. That's exactly what a good question.

1082
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,000
That's like ninety nine point nine percent. And I said to you, just

1083
01:05:32,079 --> 01:05:36,159
knowing enough about sports and knowing enough
about business. When Garcia walked away before,

1084
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:40,519
it's got to be because the money's
nowhere close to what he wants,

1085
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:44,519
and maybe he's totally unrealistic for that
fight, And maybe now he's being a

1086
01:05:44,519 --> 01:05:48,039
little more realistic because the options are
limited that whatever it is they're offering is

1087
01:05:48,039 --> 01:05:51,639
now in the ballpark. I don't
even think that that last negotiation got to

1088
01:05:51,679 --> 01:05:55,599
the point where they got down and
dirty on the money. But now,

1089
01:05:56,639 --> 01:06:00,400
look, when you do a fight
like this, you you work with your

1090
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:01,960
own promoter and he doesn't have to
worry about Eddie. Hearn just the same

1091
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,559
way Devin, and he doesn't have
to worry about Oscar. You work with

1092
01:06:04,639 --> 01:06:09,719
your promoter for whatever your guarantee is
going to be that everybody can live with,

1093
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,679
and then you go out there and
you work your ass off to sell

1094
01:06:12,719 --> 01:06:15,440
pay per view and you make the
best deal possible to get the most money

1095
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:19,039
on the upside for the least amount
of buys in terms of the threshold.

1096
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:21,360
I mean, I don't know if
people understand that. When people talk about

1097
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:26,000
upside, that means, you know, let's just make up a deal.

1098
01:06:26,199 --> 01:06:29,639
I agree that we're going to pay
you a million dollar guarantee, but you

1099
01:06:29,719 --> 01:06:33,079
can make you know, five dollars
a buy above one hundred thousand buys.

1100
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:36,000
That's how you make your real money. I mean, that's that's the way

1101
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:39,719
it happens. I mean, so
you know, if Oscar was fighting,

1102
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,639
he would make a deal with his
promoter, Bob Aram, and Bob would

1103
01:06:42,639 --> 01:06:45,519
guarantee him. I'm making it up
ten million dollars, but you get eight

1104
01:06:45,559 --> 01:06:47,760
dollars a home over three hundred thousand. The fight goes out there and does

1105
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,719
six hundred thousand, Well, if
you do the math. What's six dollars?

1106
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:55,599
What's eight dollars time six hundred thous
you know, another three hundred thousand

1107
01:06:55,599 --> 01:06:58,559
buys or whatever the math was.
You're making millions and millions of dollars more

1108
01:06:58,559 --> 01:07:00,000
on top of what your big guarante
can lose me. But it's a lot

1109
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:02,039
of money. It's a lot of
money. So that's the point. They

1110
01:07:02,119 --> 01:07:05,159
got to figure out whatever the whatever
the formula is to do that, and

1111
01:07:05,199 --> 01:07:09,719
that's that's what they're now going to
be faced with in terms of agreeing with

1112
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,440
that. But I do think on
the Rayfield scale, I think this has

1113
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:15,840
a pretty decent chance appen. Having
spoken to both sides, it feels like

1114
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:18,679
that's what they want to do.
They got time to do it, and

1115
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,159
let's get it on. It's a
big fight and I'd love to see it.

1116
01:07:21,559 --> 01:07:26,320
I don't disagree. Two more quick
items. One of them is a

1117
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:30,280
current heavyweight. This was announced during
the Boxer show. Fabia Wardley is going

1118
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:34,119
to be back. Tell me more
about about that. Go ahead, Well,

1119
01:07:34,119 --> 01:07:36,880
this is a good matchup that they
announced during the boxer card. It's

1120
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:41,320
a boxer promoted fight. It's the
Fabia Wardley who people may remember. He

1121
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:45,000
won to impressively on the day of
Reckoning undercard and he's going to defend the

1122
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:50,880
British and Commonwealth heavyweight titles against Fraser
Clark, who's the bronze medalist from Team

1123
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:55,199
Gray Britain, who has got a
late start on his career because he turned

1124
01:07:55,239 --> 01:07:59,039
pro at a much later age.
So even though he doesn't have a ton

1125
01:07:59,079 --> 01:08:00,480
of professional experience, it's kind of
like Joe Joyce, you know, turn

1126
01:08:00,559 --> 01:08:04,480
pro, you know, already into
his thirties or thereabouts late twenties. He's

1127
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:06,519
only eight, No, but this
is the fight that a lot of the

1128
01:08:06,519 --> 01:08:10,239
British fans have talked about. There
was a movement to try to get it

1129
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:13,360
done before, but they didn't.
They walked away, you know, they

1130
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:16,199
walked away from the deal. There
was some nonsense going on between Wardley,

1131
01:08:16,279 --> 01:08:20,199
which promoter he was going to be
with, which broadcaster. But now boxers

1132
01:08:20,199 --> 01:08:24,239
made this fight and that's going to
be the main event on March thirty first.

1133
01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:27,600
It's a Sunday actually because I guess
they got a banker holiday in England

1134
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:30,920
that weekend, so they're people over
there don't have to work on Monday,

1135
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:32,800
they can come out to the show. It's going to be at the O

1136
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:35,640
two Arena. It'll be on Peacock
here in the United States. So that's

1137
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:40,399
cool, little Sunday afternoon boxing action
like it was when we were kids.

1138
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:43,279
And you know, it's just a
good heavyweight fight. And the heavyweights are

1139
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:45,920
in the news and we got all
these big heavyweight matchups that are taking place,

1140
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,399
and this is like that next group
coming behind them that will eventually fight

1141
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:51,680
for titles as guys that come through
fights like this. So you know,

1142
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:55,560
it's a good matchup, you know, if you're into that all British heavyweight

1143
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:59,560
stuff. They're both talented. Clark's
got that great amateur background Wardley made.

1144
01:09:00,079 --> 01:09:02,079
You know, he's also got a
good record seventeen you with sixteen knockouts.

1145
01:09:02,119 --> 01:09:08,039
He he had a very impressive knockout
against David ad La again that was not

1146
01:09:08,079 --> 01:09:10,920
the Day of Reckoning card. Actually
was on the Tyson Fury and Gondo undercard

1147
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:13,479
in October. He knocked him out
in the seventh round. That was one

1148
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:17,119
of the main fights on that undercart
and so good matchup and if you like

1149
01:09:17,159 --> 01:09:20,560
heavyweights, you know, you definitely
want to check it out, all right,

1150
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:24,960
And sadly after you and I put
the podcast a bit because we're such

1151
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:28,039
big fans of the Run one series. Yeah, go ahead, said the

1152
01:09:28,119 --> 01:09:30,960
other. I want to just mention
one other heavyweight fight. As long as

1153
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:34,279
we're talking heavyweights. The WBC ordered
an eliminator fight for guys who a little

1154
01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:38,920
more advanced. That's another fight that
fits in the bill of like not the

1155
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:41,560
title fight, but guys who are
coming along, and that's a good matchup.

1156
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:45,600
Also, Frank Sanchez, undefeated Cuban
who can sometimes be hit or miss

1157
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:47,119
in terms of entertainment dialey, but
he can definitely box and he can definitely

1158
01:09:47,119 --> 01:09:50,760
crack taken on in an eliminator fight. Your boy a g. Cabell.

1159
01:09:51,119 --> 01:09:57,000
It looks so impressive on the day
of reckoning cart. Yeah. So you

1160
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:01,399
know, Fraser Clark Favia Wordy,
good heavyweight fight. Frank Sanchez versus a

1161
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:04,079
Jeep Cavil, your boy if they
can make that deal or I'll go to

1162
01:10:04,119 --> 01:10:08,399
a first bit. But that's a
solid fight. So there you. Germany

1163
01:10:09,159 --> 01:10:13,520
Taba Yelp. I kept waiting for
Tyson Fury to defend against Kaby Yell and

1164
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:15,319
it didn't happen over the last two
or three years. But we'll see what

1165
01:10:15,319 --> 01:10:19,800
happens in the in the Eliminator.
Okay, so some more news that kind

1166
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:24,520
of leads into nostalgia. After we
put the podcast to Ben, and actually

1167
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:28,920
even after we did the bet Us
Live show, we learned of the death

1168
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:33,640
of Carl Weathers, the actor that
obviously it brought Apollo Creed to life in

1169
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:38,399
the Rocky movies, passed away at
the age of seventy six. Had been

1170
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:43,439
ill, I guess for some time
here. In the beginning of twenty twenty

1171
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:47,720
four, Sylvester Stallone put out the
video tribute Very Moving on Friday in front

1172
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:54,439
of the painting the painting Dan at
the end of Rocky three, that painting

1173
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:59,399
from leroy Neieman hanging wherever it is
in his home, et cetera. And

1174
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:02,680
he did the video and again,
I know you're as big a fan as

1175
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:08,119
I am. I realize it's fictionalized. It's on the big screen, but

1176
01:11:09,199 --> 01:11:13,520
tens of millions, millions and millions, tens of millions of people gravitated to

1177
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:17,439
those movies because of Stallone and Carl
Weathers and the ying and yang of Rocky

1178
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:23,840
and Apollo. I mean, he's
one of the great actors of his time.

1179
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:27,279
That sort of underrated, isn't we
didn't win Academy Awards. I don't

1180
01:11:27,279 --> 01:11:30,960
even think he was nominated. But
the guy appeared in some very big commercial

1181
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:35,279
franchises, always made believable characters,
did a great job Apollo to me as

1182
01:11:35,319 --> 01:11:39,800
of course, you know the quintessential
character he played. But for others maybe

1183
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:44,199
it's his character from was he in
the Predator movies with Arnold? Was Dylan

1184
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:48,640
as Dylan in the with the Cia
That's Coming with Schwarzenegger's Dutch down to the

1185
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:54,600
jungle of some foreign country to rescue
some diplomats. He wasn't happy. Gilmour

1186
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:57,840
my son knows him from being in
The Mandalorian, that's right. I mean

1187
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:00,439
he was in some big time you
know popular. By the way, he

1188
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:04,880
was a much better football player before
he was an actor with the Oakland Raiders

1189
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:08,880
back in the nineteen seventies playing for
John Madden, and a lot of people

1190
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:13,520
didn't know that or realize that.
As his career marched on and he was

1191
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:16,560
a musician, could play the piano, etc. I mean, a very

1192
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:20,119
broad career, a very broad life
for Carl Weathers. In your might.

1193
01:12:20,199 --> 01:12:26,239
He had been working as recently as
last year on the Mandalorian episodes as part

1194
01:12:26,279 --> 01:12:30,479
of Disney Plus and playing one of
the characters in that. But he was

1195
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:33,960
the perfect foil for Rocky. So
I think if you were excited about the

1196
01:12:34,039 --> 01:12:38,840
Rocky films, like you know,
my favorite Rocky film is Rocky three,

1197
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:43,079
where the enemy, if you will, the opponent, the bad guy so

1198
01:12:43,199 --> 01:12:46,840
to speak, was the clubb Lang, the mister t character Apollo, though

1199
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:49,359
we got to know through the first
two movies where he started out as like

1200
01:12:49,359 --> 01:12:53,479
the bad guy but became a guy
you loved also as a character. And

1201
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:56,439
part of that was a great acting
from Carl Weathers. I mean, and

1202
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:59,560
I've recited the scene a million times
when it comes to Canelo when he was

1203
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:01,640
talking about doing the b Ball Fighter
any other rematch that you might think is

1204
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:04,600
a bad idea for a guy,
and Carl Weathers made that seem so real

1205
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:09,479
when he's there with his trainer getting
a low down on the opinions of his

1206
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:14,079
team about should I pursue the rematch
with Rocky and the and the trainer tells

1207
01:13:14,159 --> 01:13:15,960
him, you know, du yeah, Duke here, he's all wrong for

1208
01:13:16,079 --> 01:13:18,520
us. We don't need him in
our life, baby, And and but

1209
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:21,680
Apollo in that scene, you know, Carl Weather's acting. You know,

1210
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:26,880
it has a tremendous uh screen presence. You know, you don't believe in

1211
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:30,000
me, et cetera, et cetera. I mean, just just tremendous.

1212
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:30,880
And by the way, you know, the writers of the film also made

1213
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:34,680
it that way because of what they
did by making him become the trainer for

1214
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:38,600
Rocky. And you know, you
owe me something, you know, you

1215
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:40,680
got to give me a favor.
I mean, the training scenes, there

1216
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:43,680
is no tomorrow. There is no
tomorrow rock He didn't call him Rocky,

1217
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:45,279
he called him rock I mean,
he just I don't know. I was

1218
01:13:45,359 --> 01:13:48,159
very sad to see that. He's
just you know, I want to rewatch

1219
01:13:48,239 --> 01:13:55,319
the the first three movies now and
for the first one right And as Stallone

1220
01:13:55,359 --> 01:13:59,239
said in his video tribute from the
first time that he met Carl Weathers when

1221
01:13:59,279 --> 01:14:03,279
he walked in the he said,
the room came alive with his life,

1222
01:14:03,319 --> 01:14:06,960
with his soul, with with what
he had in him. And that's what

1223
01:14:08,039 --> 01:14:14,720
you saw come across on the big
screen as Apollo creed so very neat the

1224
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:18,079
relationship there. And we've now lived
long enough Rayfield that those movies are going

1225
01:14:18,119 --> 01:14:21,840
on almost fifty years old. And
again we now that have you got the

1226
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:27,000
movies about about his characters, So
that's right, and Michael B. Jordan

1227
01:14:27,079 --> 01:14:31,520
playing his son in the Creed series
of movies. But it's amazing that when

1228
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:35,960
we contemplate the Rocky movies were going
on fifty years ago and forty five years

1229
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:40,640
ago, we do have that to
fall back on. But man, man,

1230
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:43,359
it has been it has been a
while. And of course Bert Young

1231
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:49,159
had passed away as Paully last year, and you know, it's it's amazing.

1232
01:14:49,279 --> 01:14:54,560
It's amazing the history that still goes
with those films, all right,

1233
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:56,960
So that kind of segues to the
nostalgia and then we've got to get out

1234
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:59,920
of here. We've been going for
a while. I know you have this

1235
01:15:00,039 --> 01:15:05,520
on the Rundown. Happy Birthday Oscar
Dala hoolya fifty one years of age on

1236
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:10,439
Sunday, the day that we're recording
the podcast and releasing it Sunday night into

1237
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:15,720
Monday. The Golden Boy is fifty
one. Thoughts real quick on the iconic

1238
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:17,279
career and he's still obviously heavily involved. We've been talking about him on this

1239
01:15:17,319 --> 01:15:21,079
podcast in the sport. Yeah,
I mean Oscar has been retired now for

1240
01:15:21,119 --> 01:15:26,159
a long time, and though I
don't think a lot of people really remember

1241
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:30,039
his boxing career, they know him
more from some of the stuff that goes

1242
01:15:30,079 --> 01:15:31,960
on in terms of his promotional career, which you know, sometimes Oscar a

1243
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:35,399
little bit off the beaten trail with
some of the things he says and does,

1244
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:40,000
and I know he creates some controversy
and all that. But you know,

1245
01:15:40,119 --> 01:15:45,319
I covered Oscar's career as an active
top champion. I've known Oscar for

1246
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:46,920
When I saw that he was fifty
one, I realized I've known him for

1247
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:51,439
almost half of his life. And
you know, and it's not I mean,

1248
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:56,000
I can't tell you I'm like Oscar's
best friend, but I've been dealing

1249
01:15:56,000 --> 01:16:00,239
with Oscar on a regular basis on
the phone and text messages in person when

1250
01:16:00,279 --> 01:16:03,640
he was doing when he was a
boxer, as a promoter, you know,

1251
01:16:04,399 --> 01:16:08,640
just to talk to him on a
personal level many many, many times.

1252
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:11,159
So you know, you feel like
you know a person to some degree.

1253
01:16:11,159 --> 01:16:14,000
Again, I'm not in his home
or his family, but I know

1254
01:16:14,079 --> 01:16:16,920
him about as good as anybody in
the boxing business. And I've always liked

1255
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:19,359
Oscar. You know, We've had
a couple of scrapes, like anything but

1256
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:23,640
I think at Hardy's a good guy. He was a hell of a fighter.

1257
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:26,760
I think he's dramatically underrated this stage
of the game because a lot of

1258
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:29,920
people they only think about what he's
been doing and some of the moves they

1259
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:31,800
may disagree with in terms of the
way he's handled things in terms of being

1260
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:39,039
a promoter. But as a boxer, Oscar got it. Oscar understood that,

1261
01:16:39,279 --> 01:16:42,880
as we talk about, activity was
important, and he also understood that

1262
01:16:43,239 --> 01:16:46,239
to be active, you can't go
for every dollar for every fight because you

1263
01:16:46,319 --> 01:16:49,000
have to if you're fighting certain fights, yes you can get huge money,

1264
01:16:49,319 --> 01:16:53,520
but if you're not fighting the huge
fight, that money doesn't exist. So

1265
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:57,199
you can't break your promoter's balls or
the network's balls to get a fight for

1266
01:16:57,239 --> 01:17:00,079
an unreasonable amount of money. So
he would go and he would have a

1267
01:17:00,119 --> 01:17:02,880
fight that was a worthwhile, big, mega fight, like he would fight

1268
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:06,399
for example, I'll give you this
is gonna Pearnel Whitaker was a huge fight

1269
01:17:06,399 --> 01:17:11,039
they had nineteen ninety seven, won
that fight, won the welterweight title,

1270
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:14,319
big pay per view fight, probably
made around ten million dollars for that fight.

1271
01:17:15,079 --> 01:17:16,079
A lot of guys would be like, I'm on pay per view for

1272
01:17:16,079 --> 01:17:18,159
the rest of my career. Well, guess what Oscar del Lway did in

1273
01:17:18,159 --> 01:17:21,680
his next fight. He came back
and fought on regular HBO on a top

1274
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:26,399
rank card that HBO put on against
David Camau and just a regular title defense.

1275
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:29,600
Camao was a good contender, only
had lost one fight in his career

1276
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:32,479
to Chavez, and he fought come
out on HBO and Oscar didn't get that

1277
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:35,520
kind of money, but he still
made millions of dollars and he still kept

1278
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:38,760
his name out there and he still
stayed active. And that was er.

1279
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:41,680
He fought five times and when he
was done with Camau, then he went

1280
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:43,680
back on pay per view and he
had a big, big fight with Hector

1281
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:45,720
Camacho, made a ton of money
in that fight, won easily, and

1282
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:48,880
then came back again on pay per
view, and then when that was over

1283
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:51,680
with six months later, he was
back on This is now with to nineteen

1284
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:56,439
ninety. He's back on HBO in
in a crappy mandatory where he still made

1285
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:58,319
a ton of money but they didn't
put it on paper, and he's fighting

1286
01:17:58,319 --> 01:18:01,680
Patrick sharp Entta. So he would
shuffle back and forth at that time between

1287
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:04,600
pay per view and HBO. He
fights ike Quarte in a mega fight,

1288
01:18:05,039 --> 01:18:10,319
huge fight against ike Quarte. Next
fight he's back on HBO against Obakar.

1289
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:14,199
He's a solid quality contender, and
then he fought the Trinidad fight. I'm

1290
01:18:14,199 --> 01:18:17,039
only making a point that a lot
of boxers should follow that that instead of

1291
01:18:17,079 --> 01:18:20,880
the mentality that is so misguided.
The thing just because I performed on a

1292
01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:24,640
big pay per view event, now
I have to be a pay per view

1293
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:29,520
every time. And Ryan Garcia as
much conflict as there has been between Ryan

1294
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:33,560
and Oscar. Ryan gets it because
he would go and fight Tank Davis on

1295
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:35,960
pay per view and do a huge
amount of money and a huge amount of

1296
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:41,000
business. And knew that when you
come back and you fight Oscar Duarte,

1297
01:18:41,279 --> 01:18:43,520
you can't ask the fans to buy
that on pay per view. It's a

1298
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:45,359
solid fight, there's nothing wrong with
it, but you're not gonna get a

1299
01:18:45,359 --> 01:18:48,239
massive amount of pay per view.
So he still made millions of dollars for

1300
01:18:48,279 --> 01:18:50,880
that fight, and it was available
on a non pay per view. Now,

1301
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:55,479
if he goes back in the ring
come April and it's against Devin Haney,

1302
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:58,319
he's back on pay per view,
because why that's a big time fight.

1303
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:02,119
So Oscar understood it from the boxing
perspective. In the ring where he

1304
01:19:02,199 --> 01:19:05,640
was a great champion, fought a
lot of great fighters, won titles,

1305
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:09,359
and what at the time was a
record six weight divisions, has an Olympic

1306
01:19:09,359 --> 01:19:12,479
gold medal, one of the great
amateur fighters in the United States history,

1307
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:16,319
first ballot Hall of Famer, and
fought one thing. And this is what

1308
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:19,319
Oscar, He's been asked us.
I've asked this whom I've heard others in

1309
01:19:19,319 --> 01:19:23,079
interview ask him, you know,
what's the one thing about your career the

1310
01:19:23,079 --> 01:19:26,359
most proud of. It's not that
they won the gold medal. It's not

1311
01:19:26,399 --> 01:19:28,800
that they won all these world titles. It's not that they made you know,

1312
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:31,640
crazy nine figures amount of money.
It's that nobody can ever look back

1313
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:35,239
on my career and say he ducked
this guy. He ducks that Oscar de

1314
01:19:35,359 --> 01:19:39,520
la Hoya win or lose, and
he had some harsh losses and he had

1315
01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:44,880
some phenomenal wins. He fought everybody
that mattered of his time. I mean,

1316
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:46,880
and I will end that segment of
this by just giving you a few

1317
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:53,479
names the amount of champions they fought. Gennara Hernandez Julio Sesar Chavez twice and

1318
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:58,439
Miguel Angel Gonzalez, Pernel Whittaker,
Hector Camacho, Hi Corte, Obakar,

1319
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:03,439
Felix Trinidad, Shane will twice,
ar Turo Gotti Lineal Championship against Javier Castello

1320
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:08,119
at one fifty four. Not a
big name, but important. Fernando Vargas

1321
01:20:08,239 --> 01:20:12,239
unification fight. Felix Sterm to win
a middle white belt, controversial as it

1322
01:20:12,279 --> 01:20:15,960
may be. Bass to step up
and fight Bernard Hopkins, Ricardo Mayorga,

1323
01:20:15,199 --> 01:20:19,720
Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacio, Are
you fucking kidding me? I know you've

1324
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:25,760
detailed that before. You've detailed that
before, and it's as impressive a list

1325
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:31,119
in modern boxing of He was willing
to fight everybody and understood that's where that's

1326
01:20:31,159 --> 01:20:35,000
where your lineage, that's where your
legend is made by winning. By the

1327
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:39,399
way, let me say one other
thing about that. There's a lot of

1328
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:43,199
fighters that have fought great fighters,
but what separates Oscar from some of them

1329
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:47,079
is that many of the great names
and champions and fighters at Oscar fought.

1330
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:51,399
He didn't fight them way way past
their prime or at a time in which

1331
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:55,239
it didn't make sense in terms of
the competition. Yes, he fought some

1332
01:20:55,359 --> 01:20:58,640
older guys. Camacho was not at
his best when they fought, for example,

1333
01:20:59,199 --> 01:21:00,720
but he fought Shane Mosley when he
was in his prime. He fought

1334
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:04,279
ike K at the top, He
fought Felix Trinidad at the top, he

1335
01:21:04,399 --> 01:21:08,520
fought Vargas, you know, when
he was still at near the top.

1336
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:12,039
He fought a ton of guys that
were still at their best. He fought

1337
01:21:12,119 --> 01:21:15,520
Manny Pacou, you know, when
Pacio was an you know, just in

1338
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:19,600
the in the absolute dead prime of
what be what he became. H Floyd

1339
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:24,840
Mayweather was still a great fighter when
he fought Floyd. I mean, Bernard

1340
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:28,720
Hopkins was ridiculously great at that time. I Mean the point is, you

1341
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:32,119
know, for every every older fighter
Oscar may have made a name against or

1342
01:21:32,119 --> 01:21:34,680
a smaller guy moving up, Oscar
fought a ton of guys when they were

1343
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:39,640
at their best, no doubt.
One more nostalgia. Idem So hold on

1344
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:44,760
happy birthday, Oscar Dela get the
get the candles out fifty one for him.

1345
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:48,600
One more bit of nostalgia. And
that is February fifth of two thousand

1346
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:54,199
and five, So that's nineteen years
ago on Monday, zab Judah Cory Spinks

1347
01:21:54,680 --> 01:22:00,119
in Saint Louis speaks his hometown,
and this is the rematch that they had

1348
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:06,159
and zab Judah able to become undisputed. Tell me more about the nostalgia now

1349
01:22:06,279 --> 01:22:10,840
from nearly twenty years ago. Yeah, I mean, this was sort of

1350
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:13,640
this is a fight that I think
gets kind of forgotten about by some people.

1351
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:15,760
And you know, Judah unfortunately has
remembered more for some of his losses

1352
01:22:16,199 --> 01:22:18,920
than first than his wins. But
this was a huge win for Remember if

1353
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:24,560
you go back before this particular fight
that he had against Spinx that he won,

1354
01:22:25,159 --> 01:22:27,880
they had had as you mentioned,
this was the rematch of their first

1355
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:32,439
fight, and in that first fight, Corey Spinks scored a competitive decision against

1356
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:36,000
zab Juda in two thousand and four
in a defense of the undisputed title.

1357
01:22:36,039 --> 01:22:42,560
Remember he had become the undisputed champion
by a decision over Ricardo Mayorga. His

1358
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:46,399
first defense of all of the belts
came four months later against Judah. That

1359
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:49,319
was at Mandelay Bay in Las Vegas. I was actually at their first fight,

1360
01:22:50,319 --> 01:22:56,640
and you know, Spinx won the
fight. Two fights later they fought

1361
01:22:56,680 --> 01:23:00,520
in a rematch. This now was
a main event on Showtime. Zab went

1362
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:03,760
to Corey Spinks's hometown in Saint Louis
and he put on a show and I

1363
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:09,680
you know, the memory I have
of that specifically was the the rapper bringing

1364
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:13,720
Corey Spinks into the ring. That
was so from now such a long ring

1365
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:17,600
walk. Wasn't quite Prince nasimish,
but it was up there. And then

1366
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:20,199
Zab Judah knocked him out, and
you know, and it was sort of

1367
01:23:20,279 --> 01:23:23,960
like you have the if you're gonna
put on that kind of show coming to

1368
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:25,920
the ring, you kind of want
to back it up. But Zab Judah,

1369
01:23:26,159 --> 01:23:27,800
he just had a great night.
Then now, you know, he

1370
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:30,000
stopped him in the ninth round.
I think if you look back at Zab's

1371
01:23:30,079 --> 01:23:33,680
career, I don't think there's any
dispute that that's his biggest win, you

1372
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:38,279
know, because he had some very
very harsh losses. But look, Judah

1373
01:23:38,319 --> 01:23:41,199
looked great in that fight. He
dropped Corey Spinks. Uh, you know

1374
01:23:41,319 --> 01:23:44,800
in the ninth round, Corey got
up, but you know, Judah just

1375
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:46,920
went right after him, kept hounding
away, and you know, he won

1376
01:23:47,239 --> 01:23:50,640
and became the undisputed champion. And
that was you know, again this is

1377
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:55,239
during the time where you're talking about
the three belt era that you needed to

1378
01:23:55,319 --> 01:23:57,640
become, at least in the minds
of the media and the fans in the

1379
01:23:57,680 --> 01:23:59,800
public, to be the undisputed you
only needed the three Yes, the w

1380
01:24:00,079 --> 01:24:03,239
you title existed, but nobody and
I mean nobody considered it necessary to be

1381
01:24:03,399 --> 01:24:09,359
considered undisputed. Uh. And so
after that win, Zabwanani made one defense

1382
01:24:09,399 --> 01:24:14,119
of all the belts and then suffered
the humongous upset against Carlos Baldemir. But

1383
01:24:14,399 --> 01:24:16,760
that victory over Corey Spinks was a
huge win, a big event at the

1384
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:20,439
time. It drew like over twenty
thousand. It was the biggest crowd ever

1385
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:24,920
in that arena in what was called
the Sabbath Center at the time in Saint

1386
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:28,119
Louis. I mean, it's just
a big deal and it's hard to believe

1387
01:24:28,159 --> 01:24:30,359
that it was that long ago.
But that's an underrated win and actually the

1388
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:34,399
kind of fight where if you're if
you're newish to the sport and you followed,

1389
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:38,359
like what's gone on in the welterweight
division in the last you know,

1390
01:24:38,399 --> 01:24:41,600
a handful of years, or you
watch some of the recent undisputed fights go

1391
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:44,479
down It's definitely worth to go check
that out. If you can find it

1392
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:47,319
on your trust to YouTube channel,
go look it up. We always love

1393
01:24:47,359 --> 01:24:51,520
the nostalgia. Boy, this has
been a busy show, lots lots lots

1394
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:57,640
of news. The recap mode Ta
Fimo Lopez and again Ta Fimo and Jamaine

1395
01:24:57,880 --> 01:25:01,199
Ortiz will be Thursday night before you
and I I are back here as part

1396
01:25:01,239 --> 01:25:05,000
of the preview pod for next weekend, so we'll see what happens with that

1397
01:25:06,119 --> 01:25:10,439
busy show. My friend, have
a good week. I always love the

1398
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:14,520
insight and everything that goes along with
this was like a compo, the recap

1399
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:17,520
and the preview podcast. Thank you, Dan rayfeel as always, Yes,

1400
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:21,119
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1401
01:25:21,159 --> 01:25:25,359
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1402
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Night recap podcast. Everybody, have
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1403
01:25:29,279 --> 01:25:32,520
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1404
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:35,000
Bowl week and then we're back later
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1405
01:25:35,079 --> 01:25:40,640
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1406
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:41,960
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