1 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,440 Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You're Wrong with Molly Hemingway and 2 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:28,000 David Harsani. Molly, did you see this Wall Street Journal poll that basically 3 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:34,119 found that everyone thinks that Joe Biden's too old to be president? Like I 4 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:39,600 think it was seventy five percent or some huge number. Yeah, so everyone, 5 00:00:39,759 --> 00:00:45,200 whether they're not everyone. I'm trying to speak less hyperbolically, strong majorities 6 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:50,200 of people, not just Republicans and Independents, but even Democrats say they think 7 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:54,640 that he is way too old. But I don't. And everyone was talking 8 00:00:54,679 --> 00:00:58,359 about it's a big deal when everyone thinks you're too old to serve another four 9 00:00:58,439 --> 00:01:03,759 years and the most difficult job in the land. But I don't know how 10 00:01:03,799 --> 00:01:07,319 much I care about it, because, hey, I think everyone thought he 11 00:01:07,439 --> 00:01:10,799 was too old four years ago and that didn't seem to matter at all. 12 00:01:11,159 --> 00:01:15,280 And right now, I think the Democrat Party isn't in the business of persuading 13 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:19,079 people to vote for them. They just run valid operations. So if they 14 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:23,879 want to run, actually there running John Fetterman for president, and it would 15 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,319 result in the same number of votes as if it were someone that people liked 16 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:33,359 and thought was competent. I think you're onto something there as far as not 17 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,719 just what you're talking about, bald harvesting or whatever, but also that I 18 00:01:37,239 --> 00:01:40,560 think people vote party more than ever before, and they don't really even care 19 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,719 or that much. I think a bit scandal prooved. But I will say 20 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:48,719 that some of these results should scare you know how I feel about Donald Trump, 21 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:53,400 but I think people underestimate how easily he could become president again if he 22 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:57,439 runs against Joe Biden, And some of these results would scare me quite a 23 00:01:57,439 --> 00:02:00,719 bit. Now he's too old to run, yes, you know, a 24 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,840 decent amount of people think Trump's too old to run. I think it was 25 00:02:04,879 --> 00:02:07,000 like forty five or above. But is he mentally up for the job? 26 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:13,039 Donald Trump wins there, does he care about people like you? They're like 27 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:15,840 Trump's ahead, but their neck and neck And this is empathy is supposed to 28 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,000 be. You know, Joe Biden's strong suit. I think that that is 29 00:02:19,039 --> 00:02:22,719 gone, is honest. Yeah, Joe Biden's barely ahead. I don't even 30 00:02:22,719 --> 00:02:25,719 know why why that is has a vision for the future. Trump is way 31 00:02:25,759 --> 00:02:30,240 ahead, has a strong record of accomplishment. Trump is way ahead, you 32 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:35,240 know, and then is a likable person. Biden's ahead, But those are 33 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:42,120 sort of underlying currents of perception that I think are quite quite should be quite 34 00:02:42,159 --> 00:02:46,599 disturbing if you're a Democrat, did you think right? So the journal put 35 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:51,039 up the poll results in two big stories, one that was more focused on 36 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:55,639 Republican situation and one that was focused on negative perceptions of Joe Biden relative to 37 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:00,879 Donald Trump. But even in the first release, which showed Donald Trump really 38 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:07,039 consolidating the Republican field, which is interesting and maybe we should talk about it, 39 00:03:07,759 --> 00:03:10,840 it also showed that in a head to head matchup versus Biden, they're 40 00:03:10,879 --> 00:03:19,639 tied. In a three way matchup with Cornell West, Trump wins, and 41 00:03:21,199 --> 00:03:23,680 by comparison, I think, you know, when they did this poll four 42 00:03:23,719 --> 00:03:27,199 years ago, I think Biden was up at this point by ten points. 43 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,639 So for them to be tied, you know, if you think four years 44 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:36,400 ago Biden was ten points up, it ended up being a very close election, 45 00:03:37,039 --> 00:03:39,759 coming down to forty thousand votes across three states. If they're tied at 46 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:46,319 this point, and this is about you know, you haven't even gotten into 47 00:03:46,319 --> 00:03:51,280 the campaign where people actually have to start forcing the issues of talking about how 48 00:03:51,319 --> 00:03:55,120 Biden has done in terms of the economy, inflation, Southern border crime, 49 00:03:55,159 --> 00:04:00,919 in the city's foreign policy, proxy war against Russia Ukraine, like all these 50 00:04:00,919 --> 00:04:03,599 things that aren't actually so great for him. Oh and that doesn't even count 51 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:11,680 that in twenty twenty, the media and other Democrats said that that it was 52 00:04:11,719 --> 00:04:15,360 fake news that Biden had a corruption scandal. And now every day, including 53 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:19,920 every day at the Federalist, you have more news and information about that corruption 54 00:04:19,959 --> 00:04:27,319 scandal of how the Biden family received money in exchange for peddling access to Joe 55 00:04:27,319 --> 00:04:33,040 Biden and just to die let's dive a little deeper into this. One of 56 00:04:33,079 --> 00:04:39,000 the Biden has no strong suit, like he's he's he's upside down on vertue, 57 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,199 you know, he's on the he's upside down on every everything. So 58 00:04:42,959 --> 00:04:46,199 things like the economy, which everyone pretends is doing well right now he's getting 59 00:04:47,079 --> 00:04:53,600 he's hammered on that, like sixty percent disapproval. That is terrible. Now, 60 00:04:53,639 --> 00:04:58,199 I you know, traditional presidential election, Like you say, there are 61 00:04:58,199 --> 00:05:00,199 a couple of factors I think that aren't in play here. Like usually the 62 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:04,759 other candidates out of the public eye a bit so that people forget about the 63 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:09,439 bad stuff and remember the good stuff. But Donald Trump is constantly in the 64 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,920 eye of the storm and constantly being covered. So it's not as if he's 65 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,800 been away from from from you know, the public and they don't know remember 66 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,800 who he is or anything like that. They do, and they still many 67 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,680 of them think that he has accomplished more. And I think when you look 68 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,639 at the economy things like that, it's clear that he did. But I 69 00:05:28,639 --> 00:05:32,079 think that the pushing of bydonomics. Now, did you see that the deficit 70 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:40,560 this year doubled, doubled? That is unheard of in only happens in like 71 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:45,680 in a COVID shutdown or the economy or a war or something like that. 72 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:53,759 It doubled and the pressure of inflation, the deficit. It's the good economy 73 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,879 he keeps talking about. It's a complete mirage. And I think people feel 74 00:05:56,959 --> 00:05:59,680 that, I don't know that they can look, you know, give you 75 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,480 a part of why they think it's not right. But the worker participation is 76 00:06:03,519 --> 00:06:08,720 not anywhere close to where it was, is not recovered. The low unemployment 77 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:13,160 rates sort of fake because it's essentially that Biden just let people Biden, you 78 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,160 know, that the government let people go back to work. It's actually quite 79 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:21,639 an anemic recovery. So I think people feel all that, and I'm just 80 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,199 saying, I mean, everyone thinks Donald Trump's A lot of people I think 81 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,120 in the media think Donald Trump is going to lose easily and Trump you know, 82 00:06:28,199 --> 00:06:30,639 but I would be really concerned if I was a Democrat right now, 83 00:06:30,879 --> 00:06:34,839 really concerned. And I can't even imagine what the world's going to be like 84 00:06:34,879 --> 00:06:40,199 if Donald Trump somehow pulls it off and wins the presidency, and then they're 85 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:44,040 going to lose their minds. America's may be over. Yeah, okay, 86 00:06:44,639 --> 00:06:47,120 before we talk about the political stuff. That's huge. News about the death 87 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:51,800 sit like, that's yeah, that's crazy. So it's like two trillion this 88 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:58,439 year, Yeah, I mean at some point, Yeah, this contu in 89 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:03,639 addition to it just being a national security risk to carry deficits like this, 90 00:07:04,879 --> 00:07:11,560 it affects our ability to be a strong player on the international scene, which 91 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:15,000 just domestically, this contributes to high interest rates for mortgages. It means that 92 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,399 more and more of what we do end up collecting in taxes has to go 93 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:25,240 to, you know, paying off the interest on debt. Interest costs. 94 00:07:25,319 --> 00:07:30,560 Yeah, it's not it's a very very scary. Simply some huge number of 95 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,959 like eight percent, nine percent of the economy is just paying off all this 96 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:39,639 debt as a share of our economy. Actually it's eight percent, which is 97 00:07:40,879 --> 00:07:44,920 only in times of great you know, trouble. Has that been the case. 98 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,160 But what made me laugh is that I was reading I was reading about 99 00:07:48,199 --> 00:07:53,160 this in the Washington Post and the word these are the words that appeared next 100 00:07:53,199 --> 00:07:57,920 to each other, the unexpected deficit. Search. You remember, unexpected, 101 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,319 unexpected. It's a euphemism for bad stuff that happens during democratic administrations to the 102 00:08:01,319 --> 00:08:07,120 economy, like when Obama was president, every you know, every bad news 103 00:08:07,199 --> 00:08:13,639 was unexpected. How is it unexpected when the Democrats spent you know, basically 104 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:18,079 past the biggest spending bill in the history of the United States. I mean 105 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,079 it is it should be expected. I mean, maybe not doubling, but 106 00:08:22,399 --> 00:08:28,079 there should The expectation is that the deficit is going to rise. And by 107 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:33,440 the way, Biden has on the campaign Trump in fact, on Labor Day 108 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:37,960 he said he was bragging about how he had brought down the deficit by raising 109 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:43,159 taxes on corporations, which incidentally didn't even kick in until this year. But 110 00:08:43,279 --> 00:08:48,480 obviously that was just coming down from the massive spending. You know, COVID 111 00:08:48,519 --> 00:08:50,799 related spending and nothing to do with him, just like job creation has nothing 112 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:54,559 to do with him anyway. Although I did feel like you got a lot 113 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:58,799 of this like, oh, I guess it's it's in response to by part 114 00:08:58,799 --> 00:09:03,799 is in spending spreeze. But when inflation started skyrocketing, you've got a lot 115 00:09:03,799 --> 00:09:05,440 of people being like, huh, how this happened. Oh, I don't 116 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:09,759 know how that happened. I'm sure it had nothing to do with flooding the 117 00:09:09,799 --> 00:09:16,080 economy with all these COVID spending packages, right, I mean, do you 118 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:20,480 remember them lying about it constantly, saying that no real economist things were going 119 00:09:20,519 --> 00:09:26,000 to have inflation and so forth, And then when it came, the way 120 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,799 to stop the inflation was to spend more, you know, and people fall 121 00:09:28,879 --> 00:09:31,919 for this. I don't know. You get what you deserve, I guess, 122 00:09:31,279 --> 00:09:35,879 but at some point someone's gonna have to pay this bill. It's definitely 123 00:09:35,879 --> 00:09:39,120 gonna be a drag on the economy. And Republicans, you know, are 124 00:09:39,399 --> 00:09:41,919 are part of the problem, don't get me wrong. I mean they helped 125 00:09:41,919 --> 00:09:48,919 pass that nonsensical infrastructure bill. It was really just like a green energy bill 126 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,840 in many ways, and and and they're part of others spending two and they're 127 00:09:52,879 --> 00:09:56,919 part of you know, now we're facing a shutdown, right and they're probably 128 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:01,440 going to give into whatever Democrats. That's one on that end too, don't 129 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:07,200 you think. Yeah, the infrastructure thing reminds me that Eddie Scary was talking 130 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:13,480 about how weird it is that you see construction everywhere, but everything is crumbling, 131 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:18,240 Like the construction doesn't seem to result in drivable roads or good bridges. 132 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:24,360 It just is like this weird pattern of constantly having things under construction, infrastructure 133 00:10:24,399 --> 00:10:31,159 under construction, but also needing more. At the same time, I saw 134 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,159 that I didn't want to argue again with other staff members, but I feel 135 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:37,159 like that's good. Oh yeah, you never like to argue with people. 136 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:41,519 That's a definite accurate statement you've just made. Trying not to make life uncomfortable 137 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:46,440 for my coworkers constantly. But I think that that's something you see a lot 138 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,799 of in blue cities, where in areas like DC, but when you go 139 00:10:50,799 --> 00:10:52,840 out into America, there are plenty of good drivable roads and plenty of good 140 00:10:52,840 --> 00:11:00,200 infrastructure. It's just poorly managed red blue places that have this sort of problem 141 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:07,039 typically. But anyway, Okay, now back to the you' says about like 142 00:11:07,039 --> 00:11:13,759 how insane it would be if Donald Trump won reelection, and I just want 143 00:11:13,759 --> 00:11:16,440 to talk about I just kind of want to talk about the Republican primary here, 144 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:20,679 because I did think it was interesting that this Wall Street Journal poll shows 145 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:28,200 Trump just kind of really strong for a primary situation. I had said recently 146 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,200 on Special Reports something about how it was like basically ninety five percent odds that 147 00:11:31,879 --> 00:11:35,559 he would be the nominee. I think I was overstating it there, but 148 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:41,559 it's probably safe to say it's like eighty percent odds, and nobody else really 149 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:46,879 seems to be making a realistic move for it. Some people think that because 150 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:54,279 Ronda Santis is focusing all of his money and grassroots efforts in Iowa, that 151 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,960 he might be able to make a surprise showing in Iowa, and then if 152 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,759 you followed up to Iowa with christ new news efforts on behalf of someone not 153 00:12:01,879 --> 00:12:05,519 Trump in New Hampshire, that then you could have like a real race going. 154 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,039 I just kind of want to talk about that, like do you see 155 00:12:09,039 --> 00:12:15,080 that being a realistic hope of the never Trump crowd? Like, also, 156 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:24,279 I'm really curious how people see a long and drawn out primary battle that also 157 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:30,200 results in a Republican win in twenty twenty four. So you're saying, if 158 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:35,240 there's a long drawn out fight, that were hurt Republican chances. I'm not 159 00:12:35,279 --> 00:12:37,080 saying all of reality would say that, Like, you know, you look 160 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:41,159 at Joe Biden with these horrible numbers, but the Democrats are not allowing a 161 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:48,840 primary because they know that primaries weaken incumbent presidents. Or like if there's someone 162 00:12:48,879 --> 00:12:54,240 who's like a big figure in particular, if you're kind of all evenly matched 163 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,080 and you come out of primary, you can be strengthened by it. But 164 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:03,159 generally speaking, Democrats are not letting Joe Biden debate RFK Junior, Marian Williamson 165 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,240 or Gavin Newsom, like they don't want that to happen because they know it 166 00:13:05,279 --> 00:13:11,960 would weaken him. So I'm just saying, if you can imagine, like 167 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:18,159 the imagine in the Trump situation, which I think is a little unique because 168 00:13:18,159 --> 00:13:22,519 he kind of brings in a constituency of his own that has worked with the 169 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:28,399 more traditional Republican constituency for success, how do you have a long drawn out 170 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:33,960 primary, Like I think it might have been a little different if if Trump 171 00:13:35,039 --> 00:13:39,399 was not in the lead and getting stronger every day, if he if he 172 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,879 was a weak front runner or not a front runner, it might be different. 173 00:13:43,919 --> 00:13:48,759 But how do you take him out and then go on to win the 174 00:13:48,799 --> 00:13:54,039 general? Like, wouldn't you just imagine that would be so brutal? Well, 175 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,120 I don't don't think anyone. 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This is not a traditional campaign, 197 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:37,840 and a traditional campaign, there have been some pretty brutal primaries like Hillary Obama 198 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,200 or I'm just thinking about this, you know as we're speaking, and Bush 199 00:15:41,279 --> 00:15:45,200 McCain, where the person could come out of it's pretty strong and win. 200 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,480 But this is not normal because Trump will not just say oh yes, I 201 00:15:48,559 --> 00:15:54,080 will support the Republican but also one of the ways that you could see someone 202 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:58,080 win in a traditional race like this is that you'd wait for Trump or the 203 00:15:58,159 --> 00:16:02,200 leading candidate to say something that would like sink him, Say something stupid, 204 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:06,840 do something. There's literally nothing that guy can say that is going to like 205 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:11,559 dissuade his fans from voting for him. There's nothing he's already said, all 206 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,519 the things that can be like, there's nothing he can do or say that 207 00:16:14,639 --> 00:16:18,279 is going to stop him. So the only way that he can be stopped 208 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:22,440 is that if he does you know, if he I don't know, if 209 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,960 he himself doesn't want to do it anymore, or you know, some you 210 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,399 know, some health problem arises. I'm not saying, you know, anyone's 211 00:16:30,399 --> 00:16:33,399 wishing for that, or plenty of people are, but whatever, I'm just 212 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,559 saying that those are the sorts of things I think that can hurt him. 213 00:16:36,559 --> 00:16:38,360 For DeSantis, like I said the last week, I think he needs to 214 00:16:38,399 --> 00:16:42,600 stay in because to drive out now just makes him look incredibly weak for any 215 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:47,799 future fight. It's too early for him to drop out. He's already in 216 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:48,679 it, he already decided to be in it. He should just stick it 217 00:16:48,679 --> 00:16:52,000 out for a couple you know, go to Iowa and New Hampshire and just 218 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:53,960 see what happens. Also, I don't you said, you know, never 219 00:16:53,960 --> 00:17:00,200 Trumpers. I don't think only never trumpers are sort of hoping or try trying 220 00:17:00,279 --> 00:17:02,600 to make, you know, to make sure Trump doesn't win. I think 221 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:06,039 there are a lot of well if you look at that Santis fans, you 222 00:17:06,039 --> 00:17:08,319 know, if you look at the Wall Street Journal pool, and this is 223 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:12,599 something I do not think has reflected on Twitter or in the pundit space. 224 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:18,960 Most Republicans, of course like Trump, but they put to Santists, well, 225 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,920 they they put the bake into santisis their number two, and they're very 226 00:17:22,039 --> 00:17:26,319 into them too. And then a lot of the de Santis fans put Trump 227 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:30,839 as their number two. So there's a there's kind of a unit. I 228 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:38,519 don't think that's like that difficult to overcome necessarily, but we're I don't know, 229 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,559 when I say never Trump, I think that there's there is this like 230 00:17:42,759 --> 00:17:48,000 DC mentality that is like, we will do literally whatever it takes, including 231 00:17:48,039 --> 00:17:52,759 sabotaging the Republican Party's chances for victory in twenty twenty four, to get Trump 232 00:17:52,799 --> 00:17:56,599 off the stage, which they are too foolish to understand. Drives a lot 233 00:17:56,599 --> 00:18:03,440 of the support for him. Yeah, I don't think DeSantis fans or de 234 00:18:03,559 --> 00:18:10,559 Santis supporters will act that way. First of all, because it if DeSantis 235 00:18:10,599 --> 00:18:12,799 thinks he's a viable candidate in the future, it would undermine him in a 236 00:18:12,799 --> 00:18:15,880 big way. But also I just I don't know. I just don't feel 237 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,960 like Trump. This is Trump's race, this is his last race, right, 238 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,799 so either he's going to you know, I just think he is much 239 00:18:22,839 --> 00:18:26,319 more likely to sabotage things in the long run if he doesn't get his ways 240 00:18:26,319 --> 00:18:32,240 just the way he is. But I don't know. But but I don't 241 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:37,200 I don't know that it hurts him to have some debates and to to to 242 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,960 show Republicans, you know, that he's maybe you know, more serious about 243 00:18:42,039 --> 00:18:48,559 getting we're sort of like giving his campaign and his presidency a more folks, 244 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,119 you know, more focus about what it's going to be. And in my 245 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,240 view, he should be looking forward, not talking about twenty twenty. I 246 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,480 know it's important and all that, but I think for a lot of voters 247 00:18:56,519 --> 00:19:00,680 who aren't automn you know, just automatically Trump voters, that that's the kind 248 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,279 of thing that could help him. And you do that in debates in primaries, 249 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,759 you know, So I don't know. Okay, So this brings up 250 00:19:07,799 --> 00:19:12,359 another thing that I think is interesting about that Wall Street Journal poll. It's 251 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:18,640 not just that Trump has consolidated his lead in the Republican field. It's that 252 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:22,480 he's doing much better than I think most people would expect at this point in 253 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:30,000 the race in a head to head against Joe Biden. And I think that 254 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:36,960 part of that has to be independent. And you know, there are people 255 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:41,160 who do not like Trump who look at that matchup and say that they prefer 256 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:45,319 the Trump track record. You already mentioned some of those numbers, like by 257 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,279 an eleven point margin. People think that Trump had a better track record than 258 00:19:48,319 --> 00:19:52,400 his presidency by a huge margin. They think Trump has a vision for the 259 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,720 future that Biden doesn't have. So like, it's partly that, but I 260 00:19:55,799 --> 00:20:03,799 also think it's that the Democrat's major campaign strategy is to literally attempt to remove 261 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:08,519 to prevent people from having an opportunity to vote for their leading political opponent, 262 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:14,440 and that is terrifying. People who do not like Donald Trump look at that 263 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,880 and say, there's no question who the bad guys are here. It's the 264 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:22,359 people who are trying to remove my ability to vote for whom I want to 265 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:26,440 vote for. It's very sacred in this country that you get to settle things 266 00:20:26,519 --> 00:20:32,799 at the ballot box. That's supposedly the whole issue with why BLM rioters were 267 00:20:32,839 --> 00:20:37,680 allowed to cause destruction at the White House and Federal Courthouse and police precincts and 268 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,839 all this, but like not on the day of election, or not not 269 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,880 in the immediate aftermath, whereas the J six rioters where like supposedly that's the 270 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:55,160 whole issue, and yet they are trying to attack democracy, break every norm, 271 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:56,640 And I think, yeah, I think a lot of people go that 272 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:02,079 is terrifying and there's no question and who I would vote for in such a 273 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:06,000 scenario, I don't know. Maybe, I mean, for sure it solidifies 274 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:11,000 a lot of the support among conservatives who feel like the in general are being 275 00:21:11,039 --> 00:21:15,000 attacked by these institutions. So if that's for sure, I don't know. 276 00:21:15,079 --> 00:21:18,880 I don't really couldn't speak to independence and stuff, but I will say that 277 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,440 a lot of it because of the hysteria from the moment he was elected. 278 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,799 I think a lot of it maybe is noise to an independent they're just like 279 00:21:26,839 --> 00:21:30,079 they're at it again. They're after Trump again whatever. But so I don't 280 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,079 even know what I mean is I don't know that it affects him negatively, 281 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:37,599 even if it's not like something that like rallies and independent towards Trump anymore. 282 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,440 I just, you know, even that's actually a really good point. So 283 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:44,400 I've always kind of thought, I think I mentioned this before that part of 284 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:49,279 the explanation of twenty twenty is that people wanted to turn down the noise of 285 00:21:49,319 --> 00:21:56,440 the Trump administration. What's crazy is that it's the Biden administration that is now 286 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,079 affiliated with this like noisiness. Yes, Trump and other publicants are their target, 287 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:06,440 but this chaos and confusion, like republic threatening activity is being done by 288 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,599 Bidens. Now all of a sudden, he's kind of associated with the chaos 289 00:22:10,599 --> 00:22:11,599 that you want to not have, you know, you want to have a 290 00:22:11,599 --> 00:22:17,599 country where you don't settle things like this using a weaponized and completely corrupted Department 291 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:22,319 of Justice. So it's like he took on the main argument against the other 292 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,759 guy willingly, and that's just weird. I Also, I always hate when 293 00:22:25,759 --> 00:22:30,559 people forget to note that Donald Trump did actually grow the party, and this 294 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:36,559 is not common. When he ran for reelection, he gained twelve million new 295 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:41,880 votes without a ballot harvesting operation. And then Democrats of course, came up 296 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:47,599 with like ever many tens of millions of additional votes because of a ballot harvesting 297 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:52,079 and election overtaking scheme. You know, so you're you're led to believe like 298 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:56,680 eighty one million people in this country who did not know these these are numbers 299 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,440 that Barack Obama could only dream about, but they were super motivated to vote 300 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,960 for Joe Biden on the strength of his You know, I don't buy those 301 00:23:06,039 --> 00:23:10,559 numbers on either I don't buy that those are enduring numbers on either side in 302 00:23:10,599 --> 00:23:15,200 the sense that you had this election where everywhere paper ballots were just being like, 303 00:23:15,799 --> 00:23:19,240 you know, thrown around. So how are you are you really growing 304 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,799 the party? I don't know. We're gonna see. I think in some 305 00:23:22,839 --> 00:23:25,960 ways Trump grew the party. In some ways, he hurt the party in 306 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,000 some areas. But we'll see, you know, I don't know. I 307 00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:32,960 will say this though, I wanted to mention one issue that people they talk 308 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,920 about it, but I don't know that they give it enough half, like 309 00:23:36,079 --> 00:23:40,519 enough value is the border issue. Like I think the border issue is what 310 00:23:40,599 --> 00:23:44,519 won Trump the election. In twenty sixteen. I think people underestimate how and 311 00:23:44,559 --> 00:23:47,319 I don't know that it always shows up in polls because people don't want to 312 00:23:47,319 --> 00:23:52,160 sound like they're anti immigrant or whatever. But the border is anarchy, and 313 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:57,079 I just don't think Americans or the normies or the suburban voters like the you 314 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,640 know, they don't like the anarchy at the border at all. And I 315 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:06,000 think that's an important issue and he is way underwater on that issue, Biden, 316 00:24:06,039 --> 00:24:11,839 and obviously for good reason. Just a quick, quick, one last 317 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,039 quick note. It just that you're right about the noise and also just the 318 00:24:15,079 --> 00:24:19,799 incompetence of of of that administration, the Biden administration not being able to handle 319 00:24:19,839 --> 00:24:25,240 anything competently. And I think it began with Afghanistan and it had just snowballed 320 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,720 for them since then. All I was going to say is the Wall Street 321 00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:37,319 Journal poll also showed just widespread frustration with each party's main candidate, you know 322 00:24:37,319 --> 00:24:40,640 which it does now look like it's Biden and Trump. And I can't remember 323 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,480 what the numbers were, but it was you know, solid majorities that were 324 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:48,079 like, please, this can't be what we have as our two best options 325 00:24:48,079 --> 00:24:51,599 in this country. It is a little embarrassing to live in a country where 326 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,960 you know, regardless of regardless of your politics, that these are this is 327 00:24:55,960 --> 00:25:03,960 the best we can do. And some radio listeners or podcast listeners were saying 328 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,359 that they voted for Trump previously and they just are sort of like, do 329 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:15,920 we really have to do this again? And I do think this is similar 330 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,720 to what we saw in twenty sixteen. Was just like I cannot believe that 331 00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:22,799 the Republicans nominated Donald Trump. Am I expected to actually vote for it. 332 00:25:22,759 --> 00:25:26,519 It was like a big ongoing issue that a lot of people struggled with for 333 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:32,519 well over a year. But it is good for people to just accept reality 334 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:37,000 sometimes, you know, in politics, things aren't toys as you wish they 335 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:42,559 were, and ideal candidates are not what you get, and just dealing with 336 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:48,599 reality and not not despairing over it. And so if that means that you 337 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,799 know, and see you're a big Trump fan and Trump, something happens and 338 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,000 instead it's Ronda Santiss, like that's that's a good option, and vice versa. 339 00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:00,400 You know, so there are people that it might be really bad, 340 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,160 like I think it would be hard to vote for Chris Christie if you're a 341 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,960 conservative Republican. You know that there are things you can imagine that would be 342 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:12,559 really bad. But when the top three contenders in the Republican primary all have 343 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,720 roughly similar big picture policy ideas about foreign policy, rule of law, you 344 00:26:18,759 --> 00:26:22,880 know, like that's it's a It's not a bad situation for most. I 345 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,519 think the voters are pretty unified. It's just the establishment is still struggling. 346 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,960 Well, yeah, I don't know that. Yeah, I guess so. 347 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,839 But also, I mean it is important to say that Labor Day was yesterday 348 00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:42,599 or this Monday, and what most normal people aren't, you know, just 349 00:26:42,759 --> 00:26:45,359 that you know, they're not paying that much attention yet. Now, I'm 350 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,599 not saying that it's really going to change the dynamics very much, but I 351 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,160 think that you know, they haven't really heard. Is it actually is there 352 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,240 going to be a policy debate? I don't even think so, right, 353 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:59,119 So it's just going to Trump making fun of Desantists and DeSantis trying to show 354 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,160 that he's competent. So I don't know if that's even been a breakthrough. 355 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,839 But what I'm saying is it's still early. I just don't see the need 356 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,480 for people to drop out. Nothing has really changed, right, I mean, 357 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,440 yeah, I think I disagree, but not strongly enough to fight you 358 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:17,359 on this. Like I think probably an adult, mature party would be directing. 359 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,279 So you know, you look at like what happened in twenty twenty with 360 00:27:19,319 --> 00:27:23,920 the Democrats. They were they had a messy primary situation and then all of 361 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:30,279 a sudden one day, everyone who needed to drop out dropped out. Endorsements 362 00:27:30,279 --> 00:27:34,200 were made, favors were traded, and they wanted Joe Biden. He was 363 00:27:36,039 --> 00:27:41,039 he was in dangerous territory of not being the nominee, and the sort of 364 00:27:41,079 --> 00:27:42,559 the adults in the Democrat Party were like, here's what we're gonna do, 365 00:27:42,759 --> 00:27:48,880 and everybody followed their orders. I'm not sure even how that would be done, 366 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:55,160 but people should think about primaries aren't for the purpose of winning the primary 367 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,839 alone. They're also for the purpose of winning the general. And again, 368 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:02,640 you might really have strong feelings about who's a better candidate or otherwise, but 369 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:07,440 at some point you just kind have to look at the reality. Let me 370 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,960 say one quick thing on this subject. Last thing for me is that Joe 371 00:28:12,079 --> 00:28:15,240 wait, yeah, sorry, And again I just want to make that clear, 372 00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:22,640 like the nominee that the Republicans choose is going to be running, particularly 373 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,680 given the situation in the Senate, which maybe we should talk about too, 374 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:33,160 is going to be leading a lot of the surrounding debates, and it will 375 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,759 be a pretty binary election. And that's what I mean about. Adults need 376 00:28:37,759 --> 00:28:41,640 to kind of start thinking through whether they want to deal with their petty grievances 377 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:47,119 or say things in a manner that is good for everybody. And here's just 378 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,599 an example. If you don't mind, is it okay, David, then 379 00:28:48,599 --> 00:28:52,400 I'm just like taking this over. I told you you're the boss. You 380 00:28:52,519 --> 00:28:55,680 literally could speak the whole time. Sorry, Oh my gosh, you remember, 381 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,200 Okay? No, I really go on, I'm just kidding, going 382 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:03,559 really quickly. Nicki Hailey this weekend was asked about the political prosecutions of Donald 383 00:29:03,599 --> 00:29:08,079 Trump, and she said something like, yeah, they're not good. But 384 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,319 also if he's convicted, you know, nobody wants to vote for a convicted 385 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:18,480 felon. And so she basically gave aid and comfort to these horrific Democrat attacks 386 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,599 on the Republican Party, you know, saying their talking points, like saying 387 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:27,599 that their campaign plan is a good plan and that Republicans should follow it and 388 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,440 it shouldn't be that hard for her to be going hard against the corruption of 389 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,039 our Department of Justice and these political prosecutors and then saying why she would be 390 00:29:37,079 --> 00:29:41,440 a better candidate. That should be like a no brainer to help out her 391 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,599 opponents. Is that's a standard that everyone should meet and if they're not meeting 392 00:29:45,599 --> 00:29:51,319 that, then yes, absolutely they should get out of the race. Listen. 393 00:29:51,319 --> 00:29:53,559 As a columnist, I am a big fan of petty grievances. I 394 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:59,000 see no real reason that I should not be picking at them and speaking about 395 00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:03,160 them. I don't care about unity at all. That's a political consideration, 396 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,559 and I think that you make very good points from a political perspective. But 397 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,079 I have you know, I you know, I think the Republicans could could 398 00:30:11,119 --> 00:30:15,039 do with a different sort of outlook and candidate right now, but it's not 399 00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:15,839 going to happen. I live in the real world. I mean, I 400 00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:18,079 have a lot of things I want to happen that don't happen. And I 401 00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:22,480 think a lot of these candidates aren't really in the race to be president. 402 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:23,920 They're in the race because they want to be on boards or they want to 403 00:30:25,519 --> 00:30:27,079 lead. They are and see in the field, who who knows what they 404 00:30:27,119 --> 00:30:30,480 want to do? And yeah, so I think we have to keep that 405 00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:33,640 in mind, or they want to be in the cabinet, or they want 406 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:41,640 to be vice president. The Washdog on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski every 407 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,599 day Chris helps unpack the connection between politics and the economy and how it affects 408 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,759 your wallet. There's a method to the madness. Biden plans to ask convers 409 00:30:49,759 --> 00:30:55,480 for billions more dollars for another COVID vaccine. With more masks and vaccines, 410 00:30:55,519 --> 00:31:00,960 maybe stimulus checks Americans wallets can survive another free money hand out. Whether it's 411 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,000 happening in DC or down on Wall Street, it's affecting you financially. Be 412 00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:07,640 informed. Check out the Watchdot on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski on Apple, 413 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:15,720 Spotify, or wherever you get your podcast. Just quick note on you 414 00:31:15,759 --> 00:31:18,960 saw last week Mitch McConnell had had another episode and stuff like that, And 415 00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:22,240 I don't want to get too deeply into that, but I wanted to say 416 00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:25,880 that with these candidates for president, with the people we have in the Senate 417 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,400 on both sides, and well voters that I see at least on Twitter and 418 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,880 elsewhere on television, they speak about all this like they have nothing to do 419 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,720 with it, like this is just something that's been foisted on them, Like 420 00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:41,200 they're not the ones voting for these people and putting them in places of power 421 00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:45,960 and then re electing them. Everyone hates everyone else's bad candidates and bad politicians. 422 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,880 They don't hate their own. Miss McConnell gets elected, Diane Feinstein gets 423 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,640 elected, Joe Biden wins primaries, and Donald Trump's going to win the primary. 424 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,960 These are the candidates voters want. I don't know who else there is 425 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,799 to blame. So these polls are sometimes unperplexed by these If you hate these 426 00:32:00,839 --> 00:32:04,799 people, why do you keep voting for him? I think that's I think 427 00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:09,440 it's very good to hold people responsible for what's happening in elections. It's also 428 00:32:09,599 --> 00:32:15,400 true that a lot goes into who your choice is for an election, and 429 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:21,559 just you know, for example, Mitch McConnell controls so much of the Republican 430 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:28,279 consultant class, the donor class. He is very good at preventing. He 431 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,480 has historically been amazing at preventing effective primaries of himself. Like it would be 432 00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:37,200 great, in fact, that that energy that he applied to intra party stuff, 433 00:32:37,559 --> 00:32:42,400 both in Kentucky and in the Senate could be applied to the people like 434 00:32:42,519 --> 00:32:45,880 who Republicans want him to fight against, but he controls, you know, 435 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,960 It's just it's a lot of money, and you look even at things like 436 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,799 I've talked to a lot of Republican consultants who say that they are told that 437 00:32:53,839 --> 00:33:00,480 if they in a different state work against one of Mitch McConnell's favorite candidates, 438 00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:07,359 they will not they will be they will be kind of blacklisted from any political 439 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:12,759 consultant work for the future. Yeah, these are things that matter too, 440 00:33:12,839 --> 00:33:16,960 So it's not just about it's getting good candidates. It's fair enough. Can 441 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,680 I mention something that we didn't have on the agenda that made me laugh that 442 00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:25,160 I just thought about. Okay, did you see that Philip Bump interview with 443 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:30,960 the comedian I think he's a comedian or maybe he has a comedy club booker 444 00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:32,960 or something like that. He is a podcast where Philip Bump, one of 445 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:38,000 our favorite topics on this a friend of the podcast who could not answer the 446 00:33:38,079 --> 00:33:45,640 simplest questions about his own accusations and his own defenses of the Biden corruption family. 447 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:51,440 I think it shows you how unprepared these people are and what a cocoon 448 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,279 they live in, and how unprepared they are to even the mildest debates over 449 00:33:54,319 --> 00:33:59,880 these issues that they write about all the time. I cannot recommend watching the 450 00:34:00,279 --> 00:34:02,599 podcast enough. I actually watched it in three parts. I'm not a big 451 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:07,719 podcast listener or watcher. This is so good. It's with Gnome Doorman, 452 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:14,639 who's the owner of the comedy seller Is that right? And he has a 453 00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:20,280 podcast. He brings on Philip Bump, the Washington Post propagandist. He says 454 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,920 that he talked to someone and said, who's the best person who's sort of 455 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:27,719 like a Biden family corruption defender, and they said, that's definitely Philip Bump. 456 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,400 So he brings on Philip Bump and proceeds to just ask him. He 457 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:37,039 clearly was a well informed interviewer. It was such good journalism, in fact, 458 00:34:37,079 --> 00:34:39,559 that I was recommending it to people to watch. Just how you know 459 00:34:39,559 --> 00:34:45,599 the types of questions to ask. And Gnome clearly is more upset by the 460 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:52,920 media's willingness to accept Biden family spin than the Biden family scandal itself, Like 461 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,719 it's the media coverage that really bothers him. So he's asking Philip Bump a 462 00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:00,400 lot of questions about why he's not curious about this or why he drew this 463 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:06,679 like absurd conclusion. Is really really good and really worth watching. And it's 464 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:14,679 also just Philip Bump is employed by the Washington Post because he is misleading. 465 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:20,599 They like that about him. He fancies himself very smart, and that's if 466 00:35:20,599 --> 00:35:28,320 you do not agree. I cannot recommend this podcast enough to watch him embarrass 467 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,559 himself. But he's wrong on so many different issues, like he'd recently had 468 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:37,639 an issue with Jonathan totally pointing out four major stories that he was wrong on, 469 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:43,199 including one related to the clearing of Lafayette Park, which almost everyone in 470 00:35:43,199 --> 00:35:47,800 the media got wrong and I got right, by the way, and how 471 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,400 Philip Bump refused to correct his story. David will not be You will not 472 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:59,039 be surprised to know that I will mention that I myself have called out Philip 473 00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:02,079 Bump for being wrong about how babies are made. I think it's funny that 474 00:36:02,119 --> 00:36:06,039 he doesn't know how babies are made, and it's something I wrote about it 475 00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:08,400 at The Federalist in like twenty fourteen. The Washington Post has never corrected it. 476 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:13,000 There are so many stories he's been wrong on, and the Washington Post 477 00:36:13,039 --> 00:36:17,519 told Jonathan Turley that they're standing by the falsehoods. So it's not just Philip 478 00:36:17,519 --> 00:36:22,679 Bump here, it's that the Washington Post chooses to employ people like At this 479 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,639 point, if if you're not Philip Bump Jennifer Rubin and you don't want to 480 00:36:25,639 --> 00:36:29,280 be like them, you kind of have to feel bad that the Washington Post 481 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,960 is employing you. They think you're they think you're that bad, you know. 482 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:38,719 So it hit me. I hate to romanticize journalism of the past, 483 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:44,920 but now think of Charles Crowdhammer or even George Will who you disagree with quite 484 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,360 a bit. These days. Can you see them making arguments or making a 485 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,599 case for something and then appearing on a show and then having a meltdown because 486 00:36:53,599 --> 00:37:00,039 they're asked questions. No, they would dismantle people or make their case in 487 00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:04,880 a far more persuasive and intellectual way. And I just that's no longer the 488 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,239 case with these new comments because they're all activists. This Greg Sargeant over there 489 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:12,400 too. It's just it's just it's just a propagandist. Again. This is 490 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,960 not I just always have to stress this is not to say you can have 491 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,239 a point of view or you can have be ideologically inclined, or you can't 492 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,719 be even be partisan. It just means that you should be able to defend 493 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,960 your positions. And they never have to do that. Jennifer Rubin never has 494 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,320 to explain why she changed her mind on every single issue, never wants to 495 00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:31,239 explain why. And I think that it's important for a writer to do that. 496 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,480 Anyway, I'm constantly repeating that and just gets so annoying. But anyway, 497 00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:37,920 that was a delightful interview. Yes, I recommend it too. I 498 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:43,599 have another topic I'd like to talk about. So this week Elon Musk, 499 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,000 owner of X, we're going to call it X. I guess from now 500 00:37:46,039 --> 00:37:53,719 on that's trying to sue the Anti Defamation League formation unclear, Yeah, it's 501 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:59,360 unclear. Slightly from slightly if if they. He says, they basically have 502 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:05,119 accused him of anti Semitism, and thus X of anti semitism and that and 503 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:12,039 thus advertisers are are not advertising on the platform, and he's lost. I 504 00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:15,880 forgot. We said half of his advertising dollars are more or revenue loss has 505 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,280 come from that campaign. So he's going to sue them for libel or whatever 506 00:38:20,679 --> 00:38:23,679 is that had that right I don't know the particular All I know is that 507 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:30,440 when you tweeted out that the ADL is a like Democrat, partisan left wing 508 00:38:30,559 --> 00:38:35,760 organization that just claims to be Jewish, whereas it's not really, it's just 509 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:42,039 more a left wing Democrat, partisan organization run by Jewish people. I was 510 00:38:42,199 --> 00:38:47,440 really interested in how much the left ecosphere that's involved in that whole censorship industrial 511 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:52,000 complex, how they came after you. I took that as a real signal 512 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:57,960 that the ADL is in fact, sorry, it seemed to me the reaction 513 00:38:58,119 --> 00:39:07,000 indicated that the ADL is central to the left censorship schemes of silencing political opponents 514 00:39:07,039 --> 00:39:13,079 as a way to controlling government. And that's quite interesting. Here's what happened 515 00:39:13,079 --> 00:39:17,199 when I tweeted that. What I tweeted was that you know that it's not 516 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:22,320 a Jewish organization the ideal, it's a partisan leftist organization that happens to be 517 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,320 run by Jews. And cynically, I didn't tweet this part, but cynically 518 00:39:24,559 --> 00:39:28,519 I'm writing a piece on this. But they cynically use and everything about this 519 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,840 in the past, and the Federalists that they cynically use their history and people's 520 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:37,039 good will to try not to be anti Semites, to censor people, to 521 00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:43,519 boycott people, to fire people like Tucker Carlson, and that they essentially are 522 00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:47,840 just running a sort of a social justice activist group. The thing was, 523 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:52,440 I got a lot of anti Semits. Two groups don't like when you say 524 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:57,920 the ideal is not actually a Jewish organization. Anti Semites and people on the 525 00:39:58,039 --> 00:40:01,480 left who protect or explo in that situation. Yeah, exactly who appropriate? 526 00:40:02,159 --> 00:40:07,199 Can I say appropriate Jewishness for social justice, you know, activism. Now 527 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,360 I have to say I have a long running argument with the far left of 528 00:40:12,599 --> 00:40:16,960 Jewish you know, religious organizations who basically have become leftist organizations. I think 529 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:22,079 it's terrible for the Jewish people in general. But that's separate and aside from 530 00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:25,679 this. But this is not the first time they've done this. They've done 531 00:40:25,679 --> 00:40:30,519 this. You know, they were big on going after Tuckers and I wonder 532 00:40:30,679 --> 00:40:34,519 how much they had to do with that. It's run by this guy named 533 00:40:34,559 --> 00:40:37,920 Jonathan eight L is run by this guy named Jonathan Greenblad who used to was 534 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:42,880 an Obama appointee. I mean, he's you can't get more partisan than that. 535 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,519 And and the other side of this is not only that they go that 536 00:40:47,559 --> 00:40:53,519 they are trying to censor people, but they use like they go after anyone 537 00:40:53,559 --> 00:40:58,400 who says anything about George Soros for instance, like that to them. Now 538 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:04,760 they create this fake anti semitism that diminishes the real thing in my mind at 539 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,440 least, So they've you know, they only go out. They occasionally will 540 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,280 go after the left, but I think it's just basically, you know, 541 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:15,800 just for show, and it's very you know, Mellionmauth and mild Yeah, 542 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:20,599 well, I think people should probably look more into what they are doing and 543 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:25,280 how that is negatively affecting freedom of speech in this country. Also, it 544 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,599 does seem like this couldn't be happening at a worse time. There's of course 545 00:41:29,679 --> 00:41:34,519 anti semitism in both on both the left and the right, and it does 546 00:41:34,599 --> 00:41:40,519 seem like as civilization is breaking down that some of that anti semitism is bubbling 547 00:41:40,599 --> 00:41:44,920 up, and it would be really great to have a respectable organization that was 548 00:41:45,159 --> 00:41:52,679 genuinely interested in fighting it rather than helping out their political party for you know 549 00:41:52,159 --> 00:41:57,880 that. Yeah, so I think that's it. Do you want to talk 550 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,679 about culture a little bit, let's do it. Did you did you do 551 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:05,679 anything did you watch anything go to any movies? You asked me. Actually, 552 00:42:06,119 --> 00:42:07,880 I'm sorry to bring up a personal conversation. I'll edit this out if 553 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,880 you decide not to run it. But you're like, what should I watched? 554 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,880 And what's your mark? And I watched tonight and I was, as 555 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,079 I was pondering this important question, You're like, ah, we're gonna watch 556 00:42:16,119 --> 00:42:22,760 bride Bridesmaids. So I have a really good friend who I was up in 557 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:27,440 New York with and she asked me how many times I'd seen Bridesmaids and I 558 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,840 was like months. And you could tell she was just disappointed in me as 559 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:37,199 a person, in part because she very much bonds with the Christian Wig character. 560 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,960 She has that same sense of humor. And so I was like, 561 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,280 you know what, I would like to watch that again, just to see 562 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:45,480 it. And it was. It was enjoyable. It's stupid, you know, 563 00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:50,599 but it was. It was fine. And then I have been watching 564 00:42:50,639 --> 00:42:57,639 something else with Mark Hemingway, which is Daisy Jones and the Six. Daisy 565 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:02,679 Jones and the Six. Yeah. So it was this sort of poppy book 566 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,800 by Taylor someone or the other that was very popular, and then they made 567 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:14,599 a mini series out of it that aired last spring, and it seems to 568 00:43:14,599 --> 00:43:20,559 be like a retelling of a Fleetwood Mac type band in the seventies and how 569 00:43:20,599 --> 00:43:27,039 they came together and then what happened in that band. And I've enjoyed it. 570 00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,599 And the music is really well done, you know. For it being 571 00:43:30,639 --> 00:43:35,440 a show about a band, there has to music has to play a role, 572 00:43:35,519 --> 00:43:38,559 and the music is actually really good. Oh and Elvis's granddaughter plays the 573 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:45,400 Daisy Jones lead character. That's interesting. And she's got something. I forget 574 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,159 her name, like Riley, he offered, I have no idea how to 575 00:43:49,159 --> 00:43:52,039 pronounce it. I mean, you lost me when you said Fleetwood Max. 576 00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:53,679 So I don't know if I can watch this, but we'll see. We'll 577 00:43:53,679 --> 00:44:00,679 see. I watched. I don't. I can't stay Fleetwood Mac. I 578 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,480 wish I couldn't stand Fleetwood Mac, Like I would like to not like that 579 00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:08,400 band, and they're not the best people. But I kind of kind of 580 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:13,440 like him. Oh yeah, oh yeah. She's like a big abortion person. 581 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,679 What's her name right? Yeah? She said like she killed at least 582 00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,599 one of her kids I can't remember, and that she wouldn't have her career 583 00:44:20,599 --> 00:44:22,039 if she hadn't been able to murder right, right, right, right, 584 00:44:22,119 --> 00:44:25,360 that's always a nice thing. Listen, Like, like we both I think 585 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,960 said before, if we actually did boycotted everyone who was ridiculous out there, 586 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,679 we wouldn't be able to do anything in the culture, right, We wouldn't 587 00:44:31,679 --> 00:44:37,119 be able to watch a movie. I watched only Murders in the Building. 588 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,239 Have you ever seen that show? I have five one episode? I'm on 589 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,480 season three? Is that right? Or is it four? Three? With 590 00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:49,159 Paul Rudd and Middle Street? Yeah? I learned my husband doesn't like Paul 591 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,880 Rudd so much that he thinks he plays the same person each time, you 592 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,960 know, he does. I like Paul Rudd, So was I like that 593 00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,760 person? Yeah? I like that person. But I have to say in 594 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,400 this series, I find him annoying, a kind of annoying, but not 595 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:07,039 in a good way. Like I just I could do without him a little 596 00:45:07,039 --> 00:45:09,960 bit. But whatever. I'm not huge on Meryl Streep either. I mean, 597 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:15,079 she's fine, but I'm not either. Have we talked about that. 598 00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:17,920 I'm not either, And Mark's like thinks it's absurd, He's like, she's 599 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,280 so great, how could you not like her? But she just choose up 600 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,480 everything and she's really impressed with herself, and I feel like it comes through 601 00:45:25,519 --> 00:45:30,159 it. Yeah, but wait, would I tell you about I feel like 602 00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:32,199 this is like horrible because we're doing this. We do this once a week. 603 00:45:32,559 --> 00:45:36,920 I've probably told all these stories like eighteen times, and I'm turning into 604 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,719 my parents, where you just hear the same stories. But when I was 605 00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:44,440 at a gathering of fancy, fancy people I really respect, and it was 606 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,760 one of these things where like the men went outside and the women were all 607 00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:52,760 talking inside, and I was talking about this years ago when Only Murders in 608 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,880 the Building was first on, and I was talking about how much I liked 609 00:45:55,880 --> 00:46:00,039 it, how much I love Steve Martin and Martin Short, and all the 610 00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:05,920 women were like, oh, Martin Short's the worst, and I felt really 611 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,559 embarrassed. I realized, like, oh, women apparently don't like him why, 612 00:46:08,679 --> 00:46:13,320 which makes sense. I don't know, he's kind of a but I 613 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,559 just realized, like, oh, I'm in the wrong I'm in the wrong 614 00:46:16,599 --> 00:46:21,039 crowd. I would say something about Martin Short, who I was never a 615 00:46:21,159 --> 00:46:24,480 huge fan of, but I discovered after the fact the character Jimmy Glick. 616 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:30,400 Have you watched those interviews? Those are brilliant. Tell the ladies at the 617 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,480 dinner party. But they're brilliant. When he asked mel Brooks, what's your 618 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,559 beef with the Nazis, It's like one of the funniest things I've ever heard. 619 00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:43,719 But that's when you could be funny and make jokes about Nazis. I 620 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:49,440 also so I started watching like one of these Jurassic Park movies, the last 621 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,679 one that was made, and I just maybe after ten minutes, I was 622 00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:57,480 bored already, And I just wonder if society will ever get sick of people 623 00:46:57,519 --> 00:47:01,639 making these like billion dollar movies and not being able to keep people like just 624 00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:09,039 making them boring and stupid and all the CGI stuff is just so lame already, 625 00:47:09,079 --> 00:47:12,000 don't you don't you think so? I mean, I feel like we 626 00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:15,719 deserve better movies than we're getting anyway. Yeah, no, I feel bad, 627 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,840 Like I have teenagers, and I wish they could just go to do 628 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,840 what I did, which is just go to a movie theater kind of pick 629 00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:25,679 what was there out of ten good options, not good meaning like they're good 630 00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:30,719 movies, but they're passable, and you had variety, and you could also 631 00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,719 go to the dollar theater and watch the old movies because there were so many 632 00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,599 made and I feel like that was true all the way up until, like 633 00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,840 I don't know, twenty ten, and then it just seems like we've been 634 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:45,280 petering out since then. I feel I like the movie industry, and I 635 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,800 wish it were performing better, and you know, with the strike and everything, 636 00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:52,159 it's very bad. Since you're here, I'd like to ask a Jewish 637 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:58,199 question. So I'm still reading through my Old Testament as we call it, 638 00:47:58,679 --> 00:48:02,760 and in fact I made it too job. I have loved What's happened, 639 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:12,559 but I just read Esther and learned that it talks about how Purim was started 640 00:48:13,079 --> 00:48:16,280 based on something to do with like the lots that were being cast as part 641 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:22,360 of the whole Hayman's plot to kill all the Jews, and Mordechai has that 642 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:27,039 triumphant victory. I loved the story. It was great story, but I 643 00:48:27,079 --> 00:48:34,480 was confused why people dress up for Perim and also why they drink to excess. 644 00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,199 Do you know where that tradition comes from? I appreciate you putting me 645 00:48:37,199 --> 00:48:42,800 on the spot. I have not been to Yeshiva in like thirty five years, 646 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,800 so I will say this. I don't remember why they drink, but 647 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,000 there is a reason, and I don't remember why people wear costumes. But 648 00:48:49,039 --> 00:48:52,280 it's not a high like, it's not a can. I forget how to 649 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,920 say this in English. But it's not like a holiday where you can't drive 650 00:48:55,280 --> 00:49:00,119 or do things. It's not a it's iconica. It's not a It's not 651 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,840 one of the important holidays, let's put it that way. But it is 652 00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:07,039 one of the most fun holidays. Because when I was a kid, I'd 653 00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:08,760 go to temple and every you know, the people would be drunk and everyone 654 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:13,360 be yelling, and it's very raucous and stuff like that. But Tel Aviv 655 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,280 once on perm and it was quite fun. Yeah, it's a lot of 656 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:22,039 fun. We used to yell whenever they see Haman's name. When you actually 657 00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:24,760 read the story as you're doing now, it's like it's pretty like a risque, 658 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:30,519 right, I mean, like he sends esther to like basically seduce the 659 00:49:30,599 --> 00:49:35,159 king. Right, she's like all in, she's really beautiful and all that. 660 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,960 Yeahed to tell her and tells her to lay low about being Jewish until 661 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:43,719 the time comes. But I loved how Hayman built. I don't want to 662 00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,000 kill it for anyone else who's all to read it, but Hayman builds gallows 663 00:49:47,079 --> 00:49:51,960 to take on Mordechai because he's like consumed with hatred for Mordechai, and then 664 00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:58,880 Esther and Mordechai totally lay the trap where Hayman thinks he's talking about himself getting 665 00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,000 glory and he doesn't realize that the king wants to honor Mordechai, who had 666 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:06,880 saved him from this coup plot assassination attempt, and so he ends up giving 667 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:12,159 Mordechai al the glory, and then he also finds out that someone was you 668 00:50:12,199 --> 00:50:15,039 know, he kind of like learns more about this effort to kill all the 669 00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:16,239 Jews, and he's like, who did this? And it's Hayman. And 670 00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:20,960 they also walks in on Hayman like attacking Esther. She really must have been 671 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,480 beautiful, and he's like kill that guy right now and uses the gallows that 672 00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:29,360 Hayman had built for Mordicai. I mean, that's good, that's just it's 673 00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,840 very it's a very jurish story in the sense that you know, in Christianity 674 00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,840 there's a lot of like forgiveness and turning the other cheek and all that stuff, 675 00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,000 but in Judaism, like if someone is killed, you say, may 676 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:43,159 God avenches or her blood, you know, so this is like having them 677 00:50:43,639 --> 00:50:46,119 hung on the very gallows they were going to use hanged. Sorry, I 678 00:50:46,159 --> 00:50:49,760 always do that, and I think still the third time you've corrected me on 679 00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,119 that in my life. So also, Niemiah, I really loved reading and 680 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:58,840 just you can kind of despair about what's happening in our country and how bad 681 00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,000 things are. And one thing I like about these books I've been reading is 682 00:51:02,679 --> 00:51:06,920 it's almost humorous. How it goes from like, Okay, we have a 683 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,199 covenant, are you all good? And everyone's good? And then they break 684 00:51:09,199 --> 00:51:12,199 the covenant and then and then God's like, Okay, We're gonna do it 685 00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,760 again. You know. It just keeps happening over and over. But some 686 00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:19,360 of these periods of time that people are living in just abject sin and rebellion 687 00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:23,400 against God are quite lengthy, and they've kind of almost forgotten everything about who 688 00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:29,119 they are. And seeing how these men throughout history, men and women throughout 689 00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:35,519 history restored people to where they should be and got them to repent, see 690 00:51:35,559 --> 00:51:38,079 the error of their ways and keep going. I have things going on, 691 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:42,199 you know, in the country, and then also in my personal life, 692 00:51:42,199 --> 00:51:47,639 we're seeing how that can work is very inspirational. And the other thing that 693 00:51:47,639 --> 00:51:53,159 I really liked is that in both well really an ezra Yemia and Esther. 694 00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:58,079 It's one of these things where sometimes I think about how I wish I were 695 00:51:58,119 --> 00:52:00,559 doing something more important, which in my mind mind is working in the church, 696 00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:04,760 Like I wish I was able to devote more of my time and energy 697 00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:12,000 and gifts to something more tricky. And seeing how these people served the church 698 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:17,280 by being in politics and by pleading to the rulers or interacting with the rulers 699 00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:22,840 or being rulers, It's just been a nice thing for me to see voccasionally 700 00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:28,800 how what I do can kind of fit in with something more meaningful than just 701 00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:37,039 art abysmal politics. It's very interesting anyway, that's a good way to look 702 00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:39,119 at it. I mean, the Chronicle of the Jews and all that, 703 00:52:39,159 --> 00:52:43,639 it's very political, Like from the judges on right, you know, there's 704 00:52:43,679 --> 00:52:46,559 always politics involved, and the whole King David story, et cetera. They're 705 00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,960 actually I know, the whole point of the Bible is that it's religious, 706 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,239 but I'm always kind of struck by how a political all this stuff is, 707 00:52:54,280 --> 00:53:00,199 though, like even from an early point it's not really about the politics. 708 00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:05,960 It's about preserving the people and their relationship with God. And that is also 709 00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:08,880 very interesting to me, you know, when we're talking about ourselves in our 710 00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:14,679 country and I'm not you know, obviously it's like completely different situation. But 711 00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,320 well, I think that's what differentiates the Old Testament the New Testament, right, 712 00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,760 I mean, the Old Testament is a chronicle of an ancient people. 713 00:53:22,119 --> 00:53:25,440 But and they make no distinction between politics and God, and they make no 714 00:53:25,519 --> 00:53:31,079 distinction between those miracles and like the way you know, a normal human being 715 00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:35,920 interacts with another human being, I think that those are all melded together. 716 00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:37,679 Right. No, I don't see that disconnect, and I don't want to, 717 00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:42,000 like, you know, I know we're not prepared for this even to 718 00:53:42,079 --> 00:53:44,480 talk about this, but no, I That's what I'm kind of saying, 719 00:53:44,599 --> 00:53:49,960 is you see people sometimes needing to deal with something in a governmental sense and 720 00:53:50,039 --> 00:53:57,119 viewing that as separate from the higher, higher issue of relationship with God I 721 00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,239 talk about. I see it disconnects between that Old Testament or New Testament. 722 00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:05,239 I know that they're under different governing structures in each, but it's almost like 723 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:09,840 the continuity that I find really fascinating anyway, I'm about a third of the 724 00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:14,880 way through this is I'm just, I'm just and very busy, but I 725 00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:19,679 love I love getting to read this slowly. But surely, next time you 726 00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,159 bring up a Jewish question, let me know ahead of time. I will 727 00:54:22,199 --> 00:54:25,800 do some research. I am not a rabbi. I will tell you you're 728 00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:30,760 like the fourth member of the tribe. I've asked and nobody has answered, 729 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,960 so I should probably just like figure out where to look it up. And 730 00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:39,159 these are people who are Orthodox, No, but they're not, you know, 731 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:46,679 atheists like you. They're slightly they're they're greater levels of practice that they 732 00:54:46,679 --> 00:54:51,559 attend your shiva like me. I don't think, so, okay, just 733 00:54:51,639 --> 00:54:57,599 checking anyway, I'll be prepared next week, and I hope everyone comes back 734 00:54:57,599 --> 00:55:00,559 and listens. And until that be lovers of freedom in it, anxious for 735 00:55:00,559 --> 00:55:06,480 the friend and he to go again. And you say you want to free