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At at. Tonight's guest was featured
on episode three eighty one, and on

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that show, one of the things
she talked about was a terrifying dog mean,

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an encounter she had in Michigan when
she was a kid. Well,

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she's had several experiences since then,
and that's what she's come back to tell

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us about tonight. Of course,
I'm talking about Kai. Kai. Thanks

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so much for coming back. It's
great to come back. I've been looking

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forward to it. Well, I've
been looking forward to it too. It's

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great avenue back. Kai. For
the listeners who missed episode three eighty one,

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please tell them about yourself. Well, my name is Kai. I

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live up here in Michigan. I
raise horses. I also raise cattle,

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but for the last couple of years, specifically this past year, I have

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switched from the cattle and the horse
industry to running sled dogs. So that

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is the new thing of anybody who
has heard before, That's what's new.

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Still live in the same great little
house in the middle of the great big

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woods, and still have crazy crap
happening all the time. Never at all

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moment here. Let me tell you
that if that isn't a huge understatement,

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Yeah, sounds like it never ends. Are you happy that you switched over

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to focusing on running the sled dogs
and kind of taking the focus away from

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the horses or vice versa. Well, don't get me wrong, horses are

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by far my most grasped passion.
Like I've always been into horses ever since

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I was a small child. But
as most people are, at least of

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my type. And I say type
as in, you'll see later. But

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when you watch the movie Balto or
you see the movie eight below, snow

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Dogs, ADHD people, Holly,
y'all, your brain goes, well,

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I can do that, but yet
your brain will also tell you you can

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do fifty million things in the same
week. So ever since watching those movies,

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that's always been something that I've wanted
to do, but I was never

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allowed to own enough dogs to do
it. And now I've got a house

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full of eight and I'm shock they're
all being quiet. Wow, you have

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eight dogs in the house right now? Yes, I do, all in

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five hundred and fifty square feet.
Wow. Yeah, they are well behaved.

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Then, well, they all got
their bellies full, came in for

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the night, and they're all sleeping. Yeah, that would definitely do it.

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Unfortunately, as we're recording episode three
to one last time around, something

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really traumatic happened. Please tell us
the story behind that. So in three

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eighty one, I was recounting the
incident of me and my cousins when I

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was twelve coming across our first dog
man and how that experience went, and

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then I'd gone on to cover a
few more in the recording. For anybody

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who listens to it or in that
episode, basically you'll hear me mention,

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oh, that's weird, my yard
light just came on. But then I,

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you know, I ride it off
as well. Maybe my one of

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my horses out there set it off. What I was not able to convey

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at the time was the fact that
the gray one has come back at that

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time, and I had mentioned that
I had seen him two weeks prior.

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During that about last half of the
recording. As soon as I stopped mentioning

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my yard light, he had made
his way up onto the porch and was

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standing in full silhouette in my window, which I am also sitting in front

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of. Now, I am approximately
four and a half feet away from this

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window on this couch, and he
was maybe a foot outside of the window.

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So he was there watching, waiting
to scare me. My two German

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shepherds were sitting down here as well, and I had my husband on the

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staircase and they were everybody was watching
this all go on. He never made

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a move to come in the house, obviously, for you know the reason

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they don't like to come into houses, I guess. But I had to

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do everything I could not to freak
out and run upstairs and the episode before

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it even really truly began. So
I had a very wonderful look at the

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gray one, and that I didn't
want. I don't know that i'd use

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the word wonderful, but you definitely
got too good of a look at that

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guy. Not good. And I
can tell you right now he looked like

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the gray werewolf off of the movie
Van Helsing. Like, if you want

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to know how he looked, he
looked like the gray o one off of

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Van Helsing with let's put more of
a rugged look to him, like,

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he didn't look so clean cut.
He had more of that grizzly Adam outdoors

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look to him. But no,
it was a little too close for comfort.

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I'd say it was. Yeah,
he was close enough for you to

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count. Hears yeah, pretty much. Yeah, that's intense. You have

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strong opinions about what dogmen are.
Please talk us through that. I don't

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know if really well, yeah,
you could call him opinions because they're not

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backed by a factual science or by
absolute truth fact base. And I hold

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the same opinion with the Sasquatch as
well. But I kind of have come

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to my own theories basically as you
may put it, as what I believe

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these beings are now. Obviously there
are accounts of people shooting them and killing

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them, or shooting them and wounding
them, as the guy in episode three

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eighty he done many times. He
has done this, and like the Lady's

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Shadow she was on also prior to
me, they had a werewolf be good

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gun one of my favorite episodes,
by the way, where her cousin had

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shot this dog man with a I
believe it was a thirty out six and

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it had ripped its flesh out to
remove the bullet. So, yes,

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these things can be killed, they
bleed, they are flesh and blood being.

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However, there are things about these
entities, I'll put it this way

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that just don't make sense. Like
there was another story where a lady was

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sitting in her kitchen after her family
had left, and one manifested in her

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home. And I've had them do
this similar thing to me in my parents'

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home, where one manifested its way
into the house, but yet it disappeared.

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In the story, the lady had
also heard gravel flipping up in her

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driveway and she was mad because her
family was tearing off out of the driveway.

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After asking them what was going on
why they took off like that,

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they had said, well, we
were chased out of the yard by six

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foot dog by six foot wolf.
So these things can obviously appear very physical,

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but yet they also do these weird
things that just don't make sense.

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Now, some people will say,
well, you know, it's just there.

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You have one foot in one dimension
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Well, that could be the case. But another theory that I'd like to

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throw out there is if you look
at the pair in normal like if you

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look at Poltergeist's or anything along those
lines, they can leave very physical marks.

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They can do very physical things without
being physical themselves. So basically,

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what I'm trying to say is there
could be entities like elementals or demons if

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you want to say, or anything
else. That could be using the dog

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men's persona or the sasquatch's persona and
using that to manifest in a physical ish

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form, or at least in our
perception it's a physical form, but it

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is not truly physical. So I
do believe that there is a defined line.

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Could these things also be interdimensional?
I believe they very well could be.

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It is I mean, the government
released papers back in two thousand and

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three that there are multiple dimensions Einstein
Pruf. But there were multiple dimensions,

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but once you get out to about
the tenth and eleventh dimends and they fall

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apart. That was proven by science. So could they be walking in both

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worlds? Very possible. Could they
be some of them be elementals or other

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things using them to manifest in a
physical form. Very possible. Are they

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flesh and blood? Absolutely? Do
I believe they're animals? No. The

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level of intelligence that's there, the
things they do, the quirks they do,

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the fact that they can be all
aggressive and then turn it off and

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be absolutely going from I'm going to
kill you too, I'm going to let

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you walk away. That's not an
animalistic thing. If a bear comes at

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you and they are in the I'm
going to kill you. They're going to

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kill you. A cougar. They
are in that mindset. They'll kill you.

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Do they kill you all the time? No? Will they run away

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from you? Yes? But these
dog men, they tend to have a

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different switch where it's like they would
rather scare the crap out of you and

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rather give you warning after warning after
warning before they attack you. That's just

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in the nutshell my theories. Unfortunately, it would take a whole nother hour

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to explain that, and we would
definitely run out of time. No,

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that's okay. You did a great
job supporting your opinion. If you've had

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a dogman encounter would like to speak
with me about it, whether I'm private

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please go to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com.

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Before you update us on your most
recent experiences, Kyle, let's listen

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to the encounters you shared on episode
three eighty one. Now. Back in

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January of two thousand and nine,
I had gone coon hunting with my three

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best friends who two of them happened
to be my cousins. I was actually

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not supposed to be coon hunting that
night. I had gotten into some trouble

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at school and I was grounded.
So my parents told me, you know,

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I don't want you going anywhere tonight. Know you're you've in trouble and

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you're you know, you need to
learn something. Well, me being twelve,

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I decided I don't want to just
sit here. It's a full moon

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night, man, we want to
go coonan So the boys, they,

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you know, they give me a
holler, and I said, all right,

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you guys, I'll meet you down
at the corner of our road at

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about ten thirty eleven o'clock. Okay, we'll let it get good and dark.

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We let the parents go to Penny. So I climb out my window

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with a four to ten shotgun.
It's a single shot, Rosie, it's

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a change out. You could take
the barrel off and quote on a twenty

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two. So I had the four
ten on there, and I had a

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bag loaded with shells like I could
have started a four to ten war.

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I had so many shells on me, but I was expecting to get a

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lot of coons, so I go
trucking down the road at ten thirty eleven

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o'clock at night when I meet the
guys, and you know, they got

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their two walker hounds in the back
of the truck and the dog boxes.

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And Clayton, who's one of our
friends, he had the dogs. He's

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like, all right, man,
you read the goal. I think we're

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gonna go up there by the Tall
Pines tonight. And that's about seven miles

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from the house, eight miles from
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we're all in there. Garrett's driving, it's his truck. He's sixteen,

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Matt his younger brother, he's fourteen. I'm twelve. Clayton's also fourteen,

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and we you know, we all
just kind of grew up in the same

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area and we all ran around and
raised cane together. So we're going down

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the road. We get there and
least our hunt and turned the dogs loose

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instantly on a coon. We're running
east, coons left and right, and

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we finally work our way about five
miles back south in the tall pines,

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and you know, we get a
mess of coons. I think we had

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like twelve by then. So we
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put them in the bag, and
it's like, man, you know,

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it's it's only about twelve thirty.
You know, we ain't even been out

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here for an hour and a half
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Well, I think it was Matt. He had the brilliant idea of going

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hunting to the north. And if
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what will happen. It's four miles
in you'll hit a draw, and about

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twenty yards beyond that you go down
into a valley that's got a lake in

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it. And we never hunted around
by that lake, and we never ever

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got as far as the draw because
half the time there was a coon.

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Well he wanted to go hunt it, so we kind of meander that way.

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We walked the four miles. Again, we're loaded with coons. I

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probably had about three of them,
and it was getting kind of deep.

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You know, we had about a
foot and a half of snow on the

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ground at the time. So Garrett, he's about six foot at the time,

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I hand him my stuff because I'm
only five to three, and shoot,

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I'm waddling through the snow at this
point. So I hand them my

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coons and we're walking and the dogs
take off and we're getting close to this

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draw and they take off. They're
on a hot street. Well, Clayton's

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up in front because it's his dogs. I'm following behind Clayton, and I

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got Matt and Garrett kind of walking
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going and we get about twenty yards
from this draw and we're just you know,

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we're walking up on it because the
dogs they dip down in there.

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As soon as they dip down in
there, everything went dead silent. Twenty

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seconds later, we have two walker
hounds, Amos and Russ, come screaming

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out of that draw. Now,
these dogs aren't scared of nothing. These

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dogs have treed Black Bear, They've
treed Bobcat. These dogs, they're big

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dogs. These aren't your normal black
and tan coonhounds or your bluetick coons.

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These are big dogs. People use
these walker hounds to haunt cougar out west,

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to get them off the cattle ranches. So these dogs, you know,

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they're not scared of nothing. But
these dogs, they come flying out

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and they're screaming, and we're like, what in the heck are they screaming

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about? Well, not even five
seconds after they pop out of the draw,

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running towards us and go flying for
the truck. That's when we see

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this thing come up out of the
other side. And at this time,

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from the other side of the draw, it's only twenty five yards away.

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And what I saw that night forever
haunts me at this point because it came

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up over the draw and two legs. I'd say it was probably about four

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hundred, four hundred and fifty pounds. Shoot, it might have even been

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five hundred. I'd estimate the height, oh, shoot, noss I was

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about eight foot talk because the rock
it was next two was about six feet

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and it was twofing over the rock. But this this thing that I didn't

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even know existed. I didn't have
any clue. It comes walking up on

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the other side of the draw and
it turns and it looks at us,

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and when it squared off on us, this thing had to have been at

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least four feet wide. It was
like a chocolate gold brown in color,

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really dark, and it had a
really wide head like you take a grizzly

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bear's head. How it's got that
really wide set and you slap some Goberman

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ears on it and you give it
that longer wolf snow, and when it

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opened its mouth. I forgot to
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But this thing which saw us,
man, it gave a growl.

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And when I say this grawl rattled
your insides, it rattled your insides.

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Well, it's looking at us and
its fingers are flaring and we can see

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the claws. Well, when I
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longer than that, Clayton was gone, and uh, well, I guess

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he just kind of didn't realize I
was there. And I actually when I

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talked to him about it, he
says, yeah, I didn't see you,

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but he plowed me over because I
was right behind him. He run

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me clean over. So I'm down, but first in the snow, my

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gun goes flying. He's hauling for
the truck, screaming up. Oh my

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god. And then Matt and Matt
and Garrett. Next thing I know,

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I'd turned around. They look and
then they're turned tail and running too.

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They're chasing the dogs. They're running
after Clayton, and I'm just sitting there

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on the ground with my gun in
the snow, thinking they left me.

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I turn around, I look at
this thing and this thing is gone from

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looking at my buddies running away from
it to me sitting butt first in the

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snow at twenty five yards, my
gun laying in the snow, and I'm

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just sitting there petrified. And it
turned all attention on me. And this

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thing wasn't looking at me. It
was looking through me. And it had

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a look on it like if I
want to kill you, I can.

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Man. It gave me the look
like I was dead. I freaked out

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and the only thing I could think
to do was ron. I grabbed the

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cold of that gun and I spun
out of the snow and I took off

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running, and I mean I ran. It's four miles back to the truck.

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Well, I'm haulinghinee and it's it's
it's It takes you a bit going

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four miles through a foot of snow, and I'm going as fast as my

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legs can take me. And I
swear to you the entire time I was

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running until I got about a mile
from the truck. When I could see

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the truck, I could hear snow
crunching behind me. I knew this thing

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was coming. I knew it was
coming. I knew it was behind me.

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I knew if I stopped and turned
around, I was done. Well,

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I just got kept running. I
finally see the truck and there's it's

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a three seat truck. All four
of us rode in the front. I

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only see two people on the front. Well, they had the window rolled

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down, nurse screaming get in,
get in. It's there, get in.

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So I dove in the window.
Man didn't even bother unloading the gun.

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Nothing. I just boom, jump
right through the window and I lay

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right in the center of the seat. I flip around, I say,

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get me out of here. So
we get that cut truck going and we

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turn ourselves around and we floor it. And then it hits me, Well,

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where's Matt. Garrett flat out looked
at me, and he says he's

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in the dog box with the dogs. Well, apparently they couldn't get the

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truck doors open fast enough, and
Matt said, heck getting he jumped in

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the dog box. I learned about
that too over the weekend. So we're,

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you know, we're driving off and
they get down to the edge of

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my road because Garrett's truck's loud like
he would wake a dead man. And

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there, you know, we pull
off into there and we're kind of sitting

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there talking and nobody really wants to
talk about it. Matt climbs out of

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the dog box and gets up in
the front. And now I've got to

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walk a quarter of a mile up
my road. That's dark. I'm in

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the middle of sticks. But I
gotta walk a quarter of a mile up

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my road back to my house and
crawl back in my window without the yard

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like going on, you know,
not to alert my parents. So I

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climb back and out of the truck
and say, all right, you guys,

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let's see all tomorrow, small Saturday, see y'all. You know,

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see y'all in the morning. Meet
me at my barn. Well, you

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know, we're all we gotta talk
about this. So I may get back

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into my house. And I'm sitting
there and my German shepherd that I had

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at the time, Shadow, she's
just laying there on my bed looking at

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me like you idiot. She can
tell I was scared. I crawl in

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bed, and I don't think I
slept it all that night. Next morning,

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ten o'clock, all the boys come
over. We're all hanging out in

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my barn. That sky hay in
it. It's January it's cold. So

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we start talking about it, and
Garrett says, anybody have a clue what

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we saw out there? I want
to hear what you guys saw before I

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tell you what I saw. And
they all described it, and the variation

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of descriptions didn't It didn't happen.
We all described the same thing, eight

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feet tall, four foot wide,
over four hundred pounds, muscled all the

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way through. They said, but
what, goddess man is is it had

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hands? And I said, yeah, I thought it had hands, but

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I was trying to tell myself it
didn't have hands. But it had hands.

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But the eyes, honestly, or
what stuck out and all four of

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our minds was the eyes. The
eyes were brownished old. Now, my

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eyes tend to be about that color. It depends on what mood I'm in.

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Sometimes they're more gold, sometimes they're
more of a deep brown. But

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this thing had like a golden reflection
in the back of its eye. Must

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be for light. But Garrett looked
right at me and he said the scariest

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part was, kais it had your
eyes? And that's what flipped us all

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out. Then the question came up
again, what the heck was it will

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Clayton being one hundred percent cherokey,
flat out side. Oh it's a skin

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walker. It's a skin walker.
It's a shifter. You know, it's

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we do we do? We met? We ran into something there that we

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don't need to mess with no more. Well, Matt and Garrett, they

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said, well, it kind of
looked like a werewolf. And as I

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said, being a Disney kid,
I didn't know what it was. I

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never seen a werewolf movie. I
didn't know what a werewolf was. I

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mean I heard of them, but
I didn't know what they looked like,

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saying, so that's what that's that's
what that was. It's a werewolf.

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They said, yeah, it's a
werewolf. I said, I don't know,

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man, I don't think they're supposed
to be real. Well, apparently

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they were. Garrett looked at all
three of us, because between me and

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Matt we were called eminem for a
reason. We were motor mouth kids.

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We just we start talking, we
don't stop. We'll talk a blue street.

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Well, he looked great at me
and Matt. He said, you

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guys, don't say a word to
nobody. We ain't telling our parents.

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We ain't saying nothing. If they
asked us if we went hunting. Yeah,

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we went hunting. How good was
the night? Good night? Got

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a lot of coons. But we're
not saying anything about this. And we

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left it at that. So about
a year goes by. Just about not

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quite. We were in the next
schools in seventh grade and our teacher we

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had, you know, half the
class was off on a field trip and

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we were the kids that got in
trouble too much, so we didn't get

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to go. Teacher says, all
right, you guys close to Halloween talked

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over. Anybody got any scary stories
or true stories, like ghost stories you

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don't want to tell? Well,
one of my cousins, you know,

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they're talking and she says she saw
a bigfoot, which I don't doubt her.

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And then I said, all right, well, you know, bring

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up my story. And I told
them. And when I say, everybody

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in that classroom laughed at me and
said, oh, I was just seeing

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things. I said, no,
I'm not. Well, you just you

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watch too many werewolf movies. I
said, I never seen a werewolf movie.

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I am watching Disney movies. I
don't watch werewolf movies. I don't

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watch scary movie. I don't I
don't like them. They freaked me out.

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And they're all sitting there laughing at
me, and the bell rings,

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and you know, they're all going
out of class laughing, and you know,

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I'm about rady a ball. My
teacher looks at me and she says,

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well, you probably saw something,
but it's probably not what you saw.

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If if I were you, little
kid, I wouldn't I wouldn't say

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anything about that again to anybody.
Don't go talking about that. People already

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call you the crazy woman and the
wild woman of the woods. They you

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know, we don't give them another
reason to make fun of you. Because

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I was a bullied kid, So
after that, I didn't. I didn't

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say a dirn thing. I completely
surprised it. I said, man,

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if just talking about it it's gonna
get me laughed at, then there's no

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points. And I completely stubbed it
in the back of my head. I

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never talked about it again. I
forgot about it. And in the meantime,

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Garrett and Matt and they moved back
down to Arizona with some of their

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family. Back on towards the res
Clayton and his family they moved to Florida.

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I don't honestly Clayton never hunted coons
again, and Matt and Garrett are

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like me, they don't go outside
tonight. So years go on, about

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nine years past, you know,
never had another incident. Put in the

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back of my head that this time
though, I'm kind of kind of getting

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more into Bigfoot, you know,
it's a possibility, and thinking how kind

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of cool it would be. Well, September rulls around of twenty eighteen,

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and this was twenty eighteen. Man, that was a good year. I

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was having a good year in the
rodeo. Me and my horse, you

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know, Justice, good old boy. We were doing great and we were

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out, you know, running to
eight mile stretch for some endurance training.

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It's just some you know, fun
time. So I don't sour him out

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on the barrels. At this time, I had Smoky, my big boy.

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He was just a little pop well
not really little if you want to

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call it eighty nine pounds little,
but to me he was little. And

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we're going down and we're about again
about eight miles from home as the crow

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flies, and we're sitting up there
on the top of this hill and we're

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just kind of looking over this cow
pasture, just kind of enjoying it,

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you know, taking a good breather. The dog's tired, I'm tired.

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The horse was a little tired,
and we got a ways to go home.

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So we're sitting there and next thing
I know, smoke. He's looking

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towards the field and his years are
direct forward, and he went flat to

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the ground, like late, completely
flat to the ground, as flat as

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he could get. I mean,
I thought he was just going to dig

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a hole and bury himself. It's
how I look. And then I noticed

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Justice's years had flipped forward and they
were locked onto a target, and every

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muscle in his body tensed up.
Now what Justice is. He is a

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thirteen hand Kiger Mustang and he's a
dark bay, beautiful boy, small boy.

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I've tracked Bear on him. I've
tracked cougar, I've tracked Kyle,

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I've hunted off of him. I've
gone deer hunting with him. There's nothing

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that scares this horse. All of
my animals are this way. There's nothing

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that scares them. So when my
horse is tensing up and my dog is

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laying down, I know something's up. So I'm thinking, all right,

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well, maybe it's just one of
these big bear. It's coming out,

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and I'm looking, and sure enough
I see this black nose stick out.

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I'm like, oh, cool,
man, that's a bear. And it's

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only seventy five yards. I can
get a good look at this sucker.

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And it comes walking out, and
it's just it ain't looking right. That

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ain't no bear. The head's too
big, ears are too tall, and

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it's just it's the body's just it's
still coming. Holy smokes, his things

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still coming. And before I know
it, I literally am looking at a

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wolf like creature that's standing probably four
an half to five feet at the shoulder

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on all fours, coming across this
field. And it was black. Man,

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it was blacker than black. Like
you take the darkest night, the

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middle of the winter and no moon, and you make it ten times darker.

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It was that dark sunlight was shining
on it, and it wasn't even

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it wasn't even reflecting on it.
You know, bear. You get light

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on a bear's fur and it'll reflect
sometimes it'll reflect blue. Wells had no

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skin reflection whatsoever, no hair reflection
whatsoever. It was just just black,

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like you just absorbed all that light. And my horse is standing there tense

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to Holy Godness, I'm sitting there
shaking like a leaf. The dog's laying

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flat on the ground, and this
thing is just cruising through the field like

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no care in the world. At
the time, I'm sitting here thinking,

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oh my god, don't let it
see me, Oh my god, don't

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let us see me. Well,
I'm pretty sure it knew we were there,

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but I guarantee you it didn't care. And it just kept right ongoing,

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went from east or west to east
all the way across that seventy five

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acre It was about seventy five acre
field, but that's the long ways to

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it. It's probably only about three
acres wide. And it crossed that three

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acre field in about twenty seconds.
And that was just that of casual walk.

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But it clearly had an m to
go for the end. And when

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it went out of sight and we
didn't hear it moving, and you know,

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we didn't. Horse wasn't reacting,
the dog wasn't reacting. We spun

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around and we beat feet all the
way back home. We made what should

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have been about a three hour run. We made it home in thirty minutes.

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And I'll a three hour you know, good trot on a horse and

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making it home in thirty minutes.
That's all. I guarantee you man,

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that dog was gonna flat out.
There was a few times we actually had

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to stop for the dog just to
let him catch up. Now, Mustang,

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he didn't want to stop. He
didn't want to stop. I didn't

408
00:30:08,759 --> 00:30:11,759
want to stop. That dog sures
heck wasn't gonna stop. We'd stop a

409
00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:15,279
way for him. He'd blow it
right past us. We got home,

410
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,599
I put the horse up, you
know, kind of cooled him down some,

411
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,960
put him in a good spot where
he'd had some hair but wouldn't get

412
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,960
too cold. Dogs laying on the
ground, tongue lolling, ready to pass

413
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:33,559
out, and I'm shaking like a
leaf. I just sat down. I

414
00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:34,759
took the tack and stuff off the
horse. I set it right on the

415
00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:40,359
ground. Normally I'm a little bit
more picky with my stuff, but I

416
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:41,559
just I just put it right on
the ground. I didn't care. And

417
00:30:41,599 --> 00:30:48,160
I just sat there for a good
hour, just shaking, absolutely shaken.

418
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,839
And even then when I saw that
one, I didn't even remember seeing that

419
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,079
one at st at twelve, I
didn't even remember seeing that one at all.

420
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,039
It was like a rude of of
oh my god, what did I

421
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:07,200
just see And it was just I
sat there and I was trying to figure

422
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:12,079
out what was I looking at.
But it's like the shoulders were higher up

423
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:18,880
than the back end, and this
thing was thick like. It wasn't like

424
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,920
anything like what people like to describe
dog man as. It's not like you

425
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:27,160
know some of these pictures that Vic
has on his YouTube. This thing was

426
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:32,079
thick like. This sucker was eating
good man. Like if there was cows

427
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,599
or something coming up missing around my
place, around this area, I guarantee

428
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:41,319
you because that thinks eating them.
Now, that happened about eight miles as

429
00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:47,200
the crow flies from the house,
But I guarantee you eight miles was nothing

430
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,400
to these things. That sucker could
be in my backyard, even the one

431
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,640
that I saw up coon hunting,
that one could be here. I know

432
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:59,799
they weren't the same animal because they
were different colors, but these things I

433
00:31:59,799 --> 00:32:05,480
get travel. But kind of after
that, you know, that's when my

434
00:32:05,599 --> 00:32:09,960
bigfoot sighting started kicking up, and
that's when all that happened. And after

435
00:32:10,039 --> 00:32:15,799
talking to Vic, I actually think
that there was a third encounter, and

436
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,039
judging by a track I found,
I'm pretty sure it was of the type

437
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,440
three dog man where they're more of
like a man with a dog head.

438
00:32:22,599 --> 00:32:29,759
That encounter is actually in and of
itself scarier because I never saw it,

439
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:36,640
but just the circumstances behind it.
And what was crazy is my dad was

440
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,680
literally hunting. We were hunting deer. It was about December, and we

441
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:45,359
were hunting deer, and he was
only about two hundred yards from where I

442
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,200
was at and his blind and he
said he didn't hear the thing. He

443
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,599
didn't see anything. He says,
all I saw was your heater, Like,

444
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:57,119
come on, that's all I saw. But man, when I tell

445
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,720
you I was scared, then that
that's scared an understatement. So I'm walking

446
00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:06,640
out. It's about half a mile
on my grandma's property out to where we

447
00:33:06,759 --> 00:33:08,440
hunt, and I'm walking out.
I gets a half a mile all the

448
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:14,400
way to that blind. Dad's is
about quarter well just over a quarter of

449
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,359
a mile. It's right in between
them, So he's blind's about two hundred

450
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,440
yards from mine, and I crawl
up in my blind. You know,

451
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,680
I'm thinking, oh, yeah,
it's gonna be a good day. But

452
00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:24,480
I still had that really off feeling, you know, like when you walk

453
00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:29,799
in the woods and it's just something's
not right. Well, that's kind of

454
00:33:29,799 --> 00:33:32,559
how it felt. And I get
in my blind, and the dimensions on

455
00:33:32,599 --> 00:33:37,279
this blind is it's a solid metal
blind. It's literally built on a piece

456
00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:42,240
of plywood. So it's four foot
wide, eight foot long. I got

457
00:33:42,279 --> 00:33:45,960
a hole in one side of it
that's only about two feet wide, and

458
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:50,200
that's our door, and getting into
that it makes some god awful noises,

459
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,359
especially when it's metal and it's catching
on fabric, so it makes some good

460
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,599
racket. So if there's a deer
in the clearing, they're gonna hear about

461
00:33:58,599 --> 00:34:01,960
it. So I get up in
there and I'm hunting with a three eight

462
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:08,440
one hundred and sixty eight green black
coat tip thirty col round out of a

463
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:13,599
three oh weight rifle. So I
hunt with a six hundred model six hundred

464
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:19,159
Remington, so it's a very short
stock or brush guns. And I'm in

465
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:23,320
there and I'm hunting, and it's
got about one hundred and fifty yards shooting

466
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:28,960
power when you're shooting a lighter round. I'm not even in this blind for

467
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,159
five minutes, and all of a
sudden, the brush explodes like something's going

468
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:37,760
through there with a bulldozer and it's
going back and forth, back and forth,

469
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,000
and it's getting closer. There's a
couple of times that I just could

470
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:45,719
have swore I saw something rush right
past my blind Now I'm scared out of

471
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:50,159
my mind. Normally I won't turn
my heater on because it's loud. I

472
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:52,840
won't turn it on because I want
to hear stuff waking up in the morning.

473
00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:55,199
Well, at that time, I
was so desperate for light, I

474
00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:00,840
turned on my propane heater. I
moved my chair up into one corner where

475
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:06,280
I'm staring at the door, and
I'm praying the entire time. Now my

476
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,280
rifle holds it's a four plus one, so it's got four in the mag

477
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:14,519
and it's got one in the chamber. We always load up with five shots.

478
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:16,760
So I'm sitting there and it's like, man, you know, I'm

479
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:22,280
looking at this door. Whatever's out
there sounds big. It ain't gonna come

480
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,840
in the windows because the windows are
only six inches. That door is big

481
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:29,800
enough. Something might try. And
I'm sitting there thinking, man, I've

482
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,760
got four shots to put into whatever
tries to come in, and if it

483
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,480
don't go down in four shots,
that I better keep this last one for

484
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:38,719
me because I'm not gonna sit in
a box and get mauled. I was

485
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:43,719
fully prepared to go out in the
blaze of glory. And I sat there

486
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:50,079
with my backup against that wall well
into daylight before I finally turned my chair

487
00:35:50,119 --> 00:35:54,519
around and turned my heater off and
kind of sat there shaking. About noon

488
00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:58,639
rolls around that day and I crawl
out of my blind and I walk back

489
00:35:58,639 --> 00:36:00,760
into the thicket behind the blind.
I was going to go back around my

490
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,960
dad and go grab my phone out
of the car, but I can't walk

491
00:36:05,039 --> 00:36:07,679
right past him because then he'll know
I'm, you know, out walking around

492
00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:13,199
when I shouldn't be. And what
really scared me the most was that twenty

493
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:17,320
feet behind my blind in the thicket, I saw this track really wide.

494
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:22,199
Up in the front, you could
clearly see the five toes, but they

495
00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:28,239
had like a claw on and then
the heel came back really narrow, really

496
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,039
narrow heel, and it didn't come
off to one side or the other.

497
00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:34,519
It was like straight in the center
of the whole track, just big print

498
00:36:34,559 --> 00:36:39,559
and then up straight back. That
track was about twelve inches maybe fourteen inches

499
00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:46,079
long, and my foot, you
know, I classify myself as a big

500
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:52,000
foot because you know, I wear
size ten and women's but you know,

501
00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:55,000
I got a fairly large foot and
it's fairly wide. My foot came nowhere

502
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:59,599
near close to the size of this. And that's when it hit me because

503
00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:01,360
I'm looking right out my blind I'm
looking at this track and it's like,

504
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:07,719
man, this thing was a little
too close for comfort. So, you

505
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:14,079
know, that was about all for
the dog Man really until last weekend.

506
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:16,000
Sunday, well that just passed Sunday. But you know, the Sunday before

507
00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:20,960
I had already talked to Vic.
We were getting ready to do the interview

508
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:27,360
for my big foot sightings, and
I was hanging out in my kitchen.

509
00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:30,800
My husband was up at my parents'
place taking a shower because we don't have

510
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:36,840
running water over here. And I'm
sitting there and I'm singing. You know,

511
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:42,480
I'm singing in Nordic because I know
several different languages and I love singing

512
00:37:42,519 --> 00:37:45,960
to them because they're beautiful. And
I'm sitting here singing, and I noticed

513
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:50,239
my dog is nowhere near my door. He's laying right smack dag in the

514
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,679
middle of my kitchen. And I've
got a small kitchen. Our house is

515
00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:58,039
a very big it's only twelve foot
by twenty foot. It's small, like

516
00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:00,440
if something really wanted to come in. I've actually pushed down my door hard

517
00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:04,599
enough or I almost pushed it out
of the frame. But it really wouldn't

518
00:38:04,599 --> 00:38:07,199
take much for something to come through
my walls like the kool aid man and

519
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:12,400
go oh yeah, and it'd be
over. But he's nowhere near the door.

520
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,239
I mean it's unlocked, you know, cause husband's suposed to coming back

521
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,880
anytime. And I look at the
window and I just see this gray head

522
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,159
looking at me right at the corner
of my window. And I could see

523
00:38:23,159 --> 00:38:29,000
these two dark eyes and it's almost
like this thing smiling at me, but

524
00:38:29,039 --> 00:38:34,599
he was kind of squinting. It
just really fluffy gray head with the doberman

525
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,480
straight up ears and little tuffs on
the end, and he's just looking at

526
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,440
me. Well, no doubt my
mind, I ain't gonna sit there and

527
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,159
go what the heck is? I
already knew what it was. I'm looking

528
00:38:43,159 --> 00:38:45,519
at my unlocked door. I can't
lock it, so I don't want my

529
00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:47,280
husband, you know, getting stuck
outside with this thing. My yard light's

530
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:52,800
on, this thing's standing here.
I just blew it off and I went

531
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,880
upstairs, because I knew if I
got afraid, and I acted afraid and

532
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,960
I ran upstairs, that it was
probably, you know, gonna get a

533
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:01,800
and who knows me, become in
my house and see if you can get

534
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:06,760
more of a ras. Well,
I just went upstairs and I sat up

535
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,880
there and I waited. Not even
three minutes later, my husband walks out,

536
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,480
and I'm sitting there thinking, man, please let this thing be gone.

537
00:39:13,519 --> 00:39:15,440
Please don't let this thing be waiting
on this porch. Don't don't let

538
00:39:15,519 --> 00:39:22,719
it be here. But it was
gone, and it hasn't really come back,

539
00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:27,360
and that I'm glad for. But
it seems like no matter what I

540
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:34,519
do now, these things keep coming
back and they're always around. So I've

541
00:39:34,559 --> 00:39:37,840
just kind of got to accept the
fact that I'm not just in Sasquatch territory.

542
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:42,800
I'm in dog man territory, and
these things are here and they ain't

543
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,719
gonna go anywhere, because when the
bigfoot leave for deer season, the dog

544
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:51,599
man comes walking right in. Because
we're in October now, the Sasquatch they've

545
00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:53,320
gone down into the swamps because they
you know, they're getting away from the

546
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:58,320
hunters. Well, now it's the
dog man's turn to come up here and

547
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,440
reacaddock. So I really don't think
this is going to be the last time

548
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,840
I see one. I don't think
it's gonna be the last time I see

549
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,679
that one. In particular. I'm
actually sitting here looking out my dark window

550
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:14,199
right now, and I've watched my
yard light come on over by my house

551
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,880
twice. Come on. Could have
been triggered by the horse I've got over

552
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,599
there. I've got a mini stud
that's in a high fence over there,

553
00:40:20,639 --> 00:40:24,519
But I don't know it just it
makes me a little jumping in unnervouw because

554
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:30,199
now all these encounters are back fresh
in my mind. But those are my

555
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:36,079
encounters. I pray to God I
don't have any more. But you know

556
00:40:36,119 --> 00:40:37,800
the old saying goes, you can
wish in one hand and crap in the

557
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:43,480
other and see which one fills up
first. I'm pretty sure I'll have more

558
00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:46,119
encounters, And as much as I
don't want to, well, they're just

559
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:51,639
they're there. But yeah, those
are my encounters. That sure is a

560
00:40:51,679 --> 00:40:54,880
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561
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562
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563
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564
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:14,079
those encounters, please update us on
your most recent ones. Give us every

565
00:41:14,159 --> 00:41:19,039
last detail it comes to mind.
Well, I'd plan on telling you like

566
00:41:19,079 --> 00:41:23,280
you were sitting at the fire with
this when it happened. So in May,

567
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:29,239
as I've previously mentioned, I have
eight dogs now. At the time

568
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,400
in May, I only had seven. It was before we had rescued Odie

569
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:37,159
out of the shelter, so we
were trying to find somewhere to go camping

570
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,840
for Memorial Day weekend, the weekend
prior was my birthday. We were going

571
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:44,199
to camp then, but I blew
the engine in my truck because I was

572
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,679
an idiot and I didn't check the
oil. That's a very costly mistake.

573
00:41:47,559 --> 00:41:53,639
So going to a campground, a
traditional campground was not very feasible with seven

574
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:58,920
dogs, most of them Huskies are
husky crosses because they bark a lot.

575
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,320
My German shepherd to do as well, and it just it wouldn't have been

576
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:06,440
a good time due to the fact
that my dogs like to start singing at

577
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,320
five o'clock. In the morning and
again at ten o'clock at night. They

578
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,480
learned that at races. I wish
I could break them of it, but

579
00:42:13,559 --> 00:42:16,159
it's not going to happen. So
we decided that we were going to go

580
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:21,840
out on state land because here in
Michigan and National Forest, you can legally

581
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:27,360
stay on state land for up to
two weeks same as a campground, before

582
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,239
you have to either move locations or
move completely. You cannot be there any

583
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:35,960
longer than two weeks, otherwise you
would be considered I believe, loitering in

584
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,039
the area and you would be removed. So the place we chose to go

585
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:45,320
was off of a couple of service
roads for the Forestry Service that were maybe

586
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:50,880
only about three miles out of our
town that we live in here, and

587
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,760
there was a few places where you
could tell that vagrants were staying, but

588
00:42:53,800 --> 00:43:00,199
they would never stay in small quantities
like one per two people. It was

589
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:05,440
usually two or three families that would
kind of camp all in the same area.

590
00:43:05,559 --> 00:43:09,440
And this will come into play quite
soon of why I believe they do

591
00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:14,519
this. But we had settled in
on a place that Will and I had

592
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,400
fished prior, and we had spent
some time there and we would go there

593
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:22,679
during the day for training. And
it's a place called Pearl Lake or Perch

594
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:27,000
Lake by the locals around here.
But it sits off of the main service

595
00:43:27,079 --> 00:43:30,719
road, maybe only about one hundred
yards, not even really that and this

596
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,360
is big clearing. People obviously party
there. Vagrants have occasionally stayed there.

597
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,239
But there's a lake that has a
dock that was put in by the DNR

598
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:45,119
because they had used that pond or
lake as a hatchery basically and a growing

599
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:52,079
spot for the walleye population that they
were trying to restock for like Brush Lake

600
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,719
and other surrounding lakes. But every
fall they would take the fish out of

601
00:43:55,719 --> 00:44:00,360
there, and it was believed that
there was no fish in there, although

602
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,960
the bluegill in there proved otherwise,
especially the large bluegill. So we had

603
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,480
decided to go camping there because it's
back, it's out of the way,

604
00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:09,400
we wouldn't have to worry about it. We could have all the dogs and

605
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:14,159
then we could go on some training
runs, light runs, just to keep

606
00:44:14,159 --> 00:44:19,559
the dogs mentally and physically worn out. So we were, you know,

607
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,960
doing our thing. We had camp
set up. I had my car at

608
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:27,320
the time, and my dad had
to drive out some of our extra gear

609
00:44:27,519 --> 00:44:31,519
with his truck because mine was broke
down. So we're there with a Toyota

610
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:36,880
Corolla which only fits about six out
of my seven dogs in it, and

611
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,920
not a whole lot of our camping
gear, and we have this pretty good

612
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:43,440
size eighteen man tent. How else
are you going to fit all the dogs,

613
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,840
you know, So we had that
in there and we had it set

614
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:50,239
up. We had our drop lines
out, which for non sletting people,

615
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,000
your drop lines are what your dogs
are tethered to. It's a long chain

616
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:59,760
with little short lines, usually anywhere
between one to two feet ours or about

617
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,360
four and a half just from more
room. But there are lines that come

618
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:07,400
off of the chain in separating intervals
where you can tie your dogs out where

619
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:13,920
they don't get tangled up. So
we had them stretching out and Pearl Lake

620
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,679
is absolutely beautiful. The water.
However, once you go in about a

621
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:22,559
foot deep into the water, the
water turns completely black, like you cannot

622
00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:25,760
see anything in that water. It's
very dark. The forest around it is

623
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:32,239
a mix of deciduous trees like maple, a lot of oak, and then

624
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:37,519
you get popol. But then you
also have a lot of pine. So

625
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:40,320
we are up in the midst of
all of these trees in this clearing,

626
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:45,039
and it's beautiful, and there the
sun starts going down. Then how about

627
00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:51,239
seven o'clock you start hearing the wonderful
hum of a million and a half mosquitos.

628
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,000
And I've never heard mosquitos like this, but it's an audible sound.

629
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,119
And when I say that, we
went through a can and a half a

630
00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:01,199
bug spray that week, and I
mean we went through all of a can

631
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:05,239
and a half. I just found
the rest of the other can the other

632
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,559
day and I don't even think there's
a half left. So we're starting up

633
00:46:08,599 --> 00:46:10,880
the fire, getting it going,
just to pull some smoke in the air

634
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:15,159
and maybe get rid of some of
these bugs. So we go walking up

635
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:19,880
their service roads to start getting sticks
and stuff, and we don't tend to

636
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,199
usually go alone, and if we
do, we take the dogs, at

637
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,239
least a few of them. Well, as soon as you left the main

638
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:30,320
trail leading into Pearl Lake, you
instantly get the feeling that you're being watched.

639
00:46:30,039 --> 00:46:35,800
And as the night progresses on to
eight o'clock eight thirty, you start

640
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:40,000
hearing stick snap, twig snap,
You start hearing brush moving and it was

641
00:46:40,199 --> 00:46:44,880
kind of said that after about eight
o'clock, nobody goes out by themselves,

642
00:46:45,039 --> 00:46:49,800
so Will would accompany me with the
dogs and the twenty gage shotgun. And

643
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,159
once it was dark, I was
not to leave camp. I stayed in

644
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,840
camp. You must stay within the
fire light, and you had to have

645
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,639
a flashlight, and you had to
be with an eyesight. You could not

646
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,639
leave. So if you were out
of wood by the time dark hit,

647
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,599
you were out of wood. That
was just how it went well. For

648
00:47:05,679 --> 00:47:07,639
most of that night, even at
camp, we started getting the feeling that

649
00:47:07,679 --> 00:47:12,840
we were being watched, like something
wasn't very happy that we were there,

650
00:47:13,679 --> 00:47:17,239
but we were definitely being watched.
Now, the feeling that you will get

651
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,559
around this lake, especially the later
in the evening it goes, is it's

652
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:25,440
almost like a creature of the Black
Lagoon, feeling like something's gonna come out

653
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,840
of the water and it's going to
get you. Like that was literally running

654
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:31,079
in the back of my head,
like Okay, I'm gonna hear webbed feet

655
00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:36,320
coming up this dock at like two
in the morning. Little did I know

656
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:42,320
that was actually the least of our
problems. But the first night we had

657
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,159
kind of heard some movement out farther
on beyond the fire light. Now,

658
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,559
mind you, we were up till
two thirty. I didn't go to bed

659
00:47:47,639 --> 00:47:52,880
until after the moon had set,
which wasn't very long due to the fact

660
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:57,039
it wasn't a full moon. So
about two forty five the moon was gone.

661
00:47:57,599 --> 00:48:00,480
We threw whatever we had left in
the fire and we went into bed,

662
00:48:00,599 --> 00:48:05,559
and you could hear things brustling around. I get up the next morning,

663
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,920
Squino show up again. We go
on about our day, go out

664
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:15,119
on the water, decide that's not
the greatest idea come back, run some

665
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,400
dogs and just sit around and have
a good time. My parents came out

666
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:22,119
there and hung out with us,
and my dad had made the remark that,

667
00:48:23,159 --> 00:48:27,760
and this comes from a man who's
not scared of anything, but it

668
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,159
was a little creepy out there,
and he doesn't think he would really want

669
00:48:30,159 --> 00:48:35,079
a camp out there, even in
a trailer. That's very different from my

670
00:48:35,159 --> 00:48:37,400
dad to say, my mom,
you couldn't get her out there if you

671
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,519
paid her a million dollars. My
dad, he'll usually go camping like that

672
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:45,159
because he enjoys it, but he
will not camp at Pearl Lake. He

673
00:48:45,199 --> 00:48:49,679
thinks it's too creepy. So we
start gathering wood for the night. Same

674
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:55,840
thing happens. We start getting pascetde
through the pines. So we're sitting in

675
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,800
there and everything and where the fire
is going, but we run out of

676
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,480
way by midnight. Well, I'm
not going to stay up if I've got

677
00:49:02,519 --> 00:49:07,280
no fire going, because once it
hits dark, it's dark thirty You can't

678
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:12,239
see nothing, kind of like,
you know, really dark, like middle

679
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,400
of the night, no moon kind
of dark. So we go to bed.

680
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:21,440
At about two o'clock in the morning. All of my dogs sit up

681
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,880
in their kennels, and for the
couple dogs that were out loose in the

682
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:29,800
tent, they all sat up.
Nobody growled, nobody made a sound,

683
00:49:30,519 --> 00:49:34,960
but everybody sat straight up and started
looking to the south, which was towards

684
00:49:35,039 --> 00:49:39,519
the back of the tent. Now, for some weird reason, and this

685
00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:46,760
I cannot explain whether it's related or
not, there was a blue light coming

686
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:51,760
from a clearing to our north that
was about twenty feet out. You can

687
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:53,519
almost tell right where it was coming
from, as if the moon. Like

688
00:49:53,559 --> 00:49:55,800
I said, there was a full
moon and it was shining down into that

689
00:49:55,880 --> 00:50:01,559
opening. That's how it's shone back
into the tent. Any extraor light at

690
00:50:01,639 --> 00:50:07,719
night inside of the tent is going
to light your tent up, so the

691
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,679
tent's lit. I can see all
of my dogs, and I start hearing

692
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:15,239
subtle crunches of leaves. You know
that weird sound that it makes when you

693
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:21,960
step on leaf litter and pine needles
from the jackpines. So you hear that

694
00:50:22,039 --> 00:50:27,800
subtle crunch and some shuffling. Well, I'm watching the dogs as they follow

695
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,280
the sound of this crunching and shuffling
all the way around the tent, and

696
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:37,599
it made a couple laps. Then
they start looking over by where I'm laying,

697
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:44,719
and that's when I start hearing the
sniffing. I can hear something sniffing

698
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:51,480
right next to the tent. It
never touched the tent, so I didn't

699
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,639
see the tent move or anything,
but I saw it sniffing the side of

700
00:50:53,679 --> 00:50:59,440
the tent, and I saw it
walk around and sniff Now, mind you,

701
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:04,280
most of my dog's kennels we're up
against the tent walls. They're not

702
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,480
in the middle of the tent.
They're up against the walls, so we

703
00:51:06,519 --> 00:51:10,039
can move around and there if we
need to. And each time this thing

704
00:51:10,039 --> 00:51:14,840
would come close. These dogs would
move ever so slightly to the backside of

705
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,000
their cage, closer to the middle. But none of them would make a

706
00:51:17,079 --> 00:51:22,840
sound. Not if anybody knows dogs, especially sled dogs, they are loud.

707
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,239
They're gonna want to bark, and
they will make every noise humanly thinkable.

708
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:29,239
I've got one up here that sounds
like a coyot when she sets off,

709
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:35,920
but nobody made a sound, and
then eventually we heard it crunch off

710
00:51:36,159 --> 00:51:39,119
and it left us alone. So
I wake up, you know, I

711
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:43,760
kind of groggily go back to sleep, because, well, I've got nothing

712
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,360
else better to do. I'm not
gonna sit up all night worrying about what's

713
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,840
out here in the woods. I've
spent too much time doing that. And

714
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,000
well, there's the reason I go
camping, and that's to get over everything

715
00:51:53,039 --> 00:51:58,880
that's happened to me in the past. So I went back to sleep,

716
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,400
and the dogs also. It'll back
down. Everybody starts snoring, especially my

717
00:52:01,519 --> 00:52:07,920
oldest shepherd. He's a really bad
snoring, snoring creature. He would put

718
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:12,159
a bulldog to shame with how bad
he snores. So everybody goes back to

719
00:52:12,159 --> 00:52:16,119
sleep. Well, sun comes up
about five thirty six o'clock and I get

720
00:52:16,199 --> 00:52:20,280
up out of ten about seven thirty
because well they all had to go potty.

721
00:52:21,159 --> 00:52:22,639
They didn't come into tent until midnight, so they all got a peet.

722
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,000
Now, usually when we let them
out, they all kind of come

723
00:52:27,039 --> 00:52:30,280
out one big mask gathering, and
they all kind of take off running and

724
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:31,800
doing what they want to do,
trumpling through the forest, you know,

725
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:37,199
doing everything crazy you could think of. But this morning, they didn't do

726
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:45,920
that. They stayed very close to
where we were and where I was standing,

727
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:51,039
and I hooked them all up on
their picket line, and I start

728
00:52:51,079 --> 00:52:53,079
kind of looking around at the beautiful
day that's starting, and I look off

729
00:52:53,119 --> 00:53:00,639
to the north towards the pond,
and that's when I see it behind a

730
00:53:00,679 --> 00:53:07,960
stump. It was black, It
had the proof around the neck, kind

731
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:09,360
of like a main, and I
could see the upright ears. And at

732
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,360
first I thought, well, maybe
it was just a stump. You know,

733
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,159
Oh, my mind's playing tricks.
I mean, I'm just seeing things

734
00:53:15,159 --> 00:53:20,400
because I'm I'm lack of sleep.
Well, the whole I must be hallucinating

735
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,639
went out the window of the moment
I saw its ears move, I saw

736
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:28,320
one ear twitch straight kind of back
a little bit and then come back forward.

737
00:53:29,159 --> 00:53:32,519
Now I have a black dog on
my team. I've got a sheepsky.

738
00:53:32,679 --> 00:53:36,719
She's all black. She kind of
looks like what would happen if you

739
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,000
had a love child between a black
bear and a borer collie. She's got

740
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:44,719
the fluff and she's got the black
bear build. She is jet black with

741
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:49,000
amber eyes. She's got the spade
ears, like the straight up, you

742
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,280
know, sticking right on top of
her head kind of ears. And she's

743
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,960
got a lot of fur. Her
father was a wooly husky, so she's

744
00:53:54,000 --> 00:54:00,559
got that long, luxurious fur.
And this creature also had that same type

745
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:04,320
of fur. And you could almost
pick out where his eyes were, but

746
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,440
I believe his eyes were a little
bit darker, probably more of a darker

747
00:54:07,519 --> 00:54:12,119
chocolate color instead of the amber that
you often hear about. You could clearly

748
00:54:12,119 --> 00:54:16,559
see the shoulders, and you could
see one hand on the top of the

749
00:54:16,599 --> 00:54:21,199
stump. The other one was down
behind, so was the lower half.

750
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,639
I couldn't tell if they had a
tail. I don't know if it had

751
00:54:23,679 --> 00:54:27,760
dog legs or not. I don't
know what the bottom half looked like,

752
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,239
whether male or female, have no
clue. This was maybe at about fifty

753
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:37,480
yards off, give or take about
ten yards, So it's there, it's

754
00:54:37,519 --> 00:54:40,480
not advancing towards me or the dogs. The dogs are kind of looking over

755
00:54:40,519 --> 00:54:45,559
that way, but they're not acting
like there's anything wrong. My dogs aren't

756
00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:51,079
acting like there's something wrong. There's
nothing wrong. So I go back in

757
00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:52,239
the tent and I let will know
that it's out there, and I kind

758
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,400
of keep the tent on zip so
I can kind of see out in that

759
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:59,159
way, and I lay back down, and a few minutes later I look

760
00:54:59,199 --> 00:55:04,480
up and it's gone completely gone.
So later on that day, before my

761
00:55:04,519 --> 00:55:07,320
parents showed up because they were coming
out to hang out with us that weekend,

762
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:12,880
I had gone down to the dock
because it's a really long boardwalk drough

763
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,239
to how swampy marshy it is down
in there, and I got within about

764
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:22,079
twenty feet of the stump. Now, this stump was an old pine stone,

765
00:55:22,519 --> 00:55:27,920
approximately three and a half to four
feet tall and about a foot to

766
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:35,480
maybe a foot and a half in
diameter, and this dog man was twice

767
00:55:35,519 --> 00:55:40,199
as wide as the stump and had
another four feet over it, which would

768
00:55:40,199 --> 00:55:44,920
put this dog man approximately six and
a half seven almost eight feet tall.

769
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,679
Especially if it was kind of leaned
back out and over and there was a

770
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:50,880
slight drop down in there, so
it might have been taller, it might

771
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,679
have been shorter, but the ground
is all soggy through there. How it

772
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:59,639
could make it through there without making
noises beyond me. But it did it

773
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:01,840
and was as quiet as it came
up to the tent. I really don't

774
00:56:02,039 --> 00:56:07,320
doubt the fact on how quiet they
are. Needless to say, we were

775
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,440
on day three. We had to
go back to work after day four,

776
00:56:10,639 --> 00:56:15,679
so Labor Day or Memorial Day was
that Monday, And this was on Sunday.

777
00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:20,719
And when my parents came, I
look at them. My dad walked

778
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:22,760
to the back of the truck to
do something, and I told my mom

779
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,039
what happened, and I said,
Mom, I would really like to come

780
00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:29,079
home and have a good night's sleep
before I go back to work. Of

781
00:56:29,159 --> 00:56:30,400
course, I told her I wanted
to come home because I don't think that

782
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:34,519
dog man wants is here no more. But I just told my dad that

783
00:56:34,559 --> 00:56:37,159
I wanted to come home for a
better night's sleep. And so we packed

784
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:43,519
up and we came home. And
we have not been back over to Pearl

785
00:56:43,559 --> 00:56:50,159
Lake since. We haven't really had
time, but the positioning of this lake.

786
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,440
There's a trail that runs next to
us, to the North Country Trail.

787
00:56:52,519 --> 00:56:58,440
This runs from South Dakota all the
way over to New York. And

788
00:56:58,519 --> 00:57:04,920
this trail, this is a very
important trail because my second encounter, which

789
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:10,519
happened to us in August of this
year during another camping excursion, happened along

790
00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:15,719
the same trail, but about three
miles up the trail. Now, the

791
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:20,559
second encounter, we didn't see anything. It was very much like the first

792
00:57:20,639 --> 00:57:23,840
encounter where we didn't really see a
whole lot. So we were hiking.

793
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:28,360
We had a thirty mile hike planned
for August. It was going to take

794
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,599
us two days, fifteen miles one
day, fifteen miles the next. Well,

795
00:57:31,639 --> 00:57:37,800
apparently I forgot that when you're not
used to hiking, carrying an eighty

796
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:45,159
pound rucksack is not exactly the greatest
idea. So we were getting very tired

797
00:57:45,199 --> 00:57:46,639
as the day went on. It
was a beautiful day, beautiful hike,

798
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:52,480
a lot of bear sign like you
would see where BlackBerry bushes were just absolutely

799
00:57:52,679 --> 00:57:59,440
polarized in bear scat everywhere. So
we're finally closing in on the two and

800
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,360
a half mile to where our camping
set was supposed to be, and this

801
00:58:02,559 --> 00:58:06,960
was that the Bluff camp right on
the other side of the White River.

802
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,519
So we get about to the two
and a half mile mark where the trail

803
00:58:10,599 --> 00:58:15,079
forks off, where you can either
go into to the town or you can

804
00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:21,039
go farther uptrail and keep going.
Well, Smokey, my large German shepherd,

805
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,199
decided he was gonna bolt off ahead
of us, and we had three

806
00:58:23,199 --> 00:58:27,000
dogs with us. We had Smokey, we had his son, Shinto,

807
00:58:27,039 --> 00:58:30,800
which is a full blood shepherd,
and we had Iris, she's my German

808
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:35,039
shepherd husky cross that looks like a
cayo, sounds like a coyo. We

809
00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:37,760
had them three because they have the
best recall out of all of them.

810
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:44,679
So Smokey kind of starts pointing off
and taking it off towards this fork.

811
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:46,880
I mean he's on high alert.
Ears up, tail up, hackles up,

812
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:51,679
whole nines and he's approaching it.
Well, I call him, usually

813
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:53,760
he'll come back, but this time
he just stopped and stood there and waited

814
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:57,360
for us to catch up. And
I was like, well, that's a

815
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,599
little odd because usually if I call
my dogs, even if they're focused on

816
00:59:00,639 --> 00:59:02,760
something, they'll come back to me. But whatever this was, he didn't

817
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:07,280
want to turn his back on.
So I looked at Will and I said,

818
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,079
all right, we need to put
these dogs in between us. So

819
00:59:09,119 --> 00:59:15,239
I had Iris right directly in front
of me on a canea cross belt,

820
00:59:15,239 --> 00:59:16,760
which is basically a big belt that
hooks around your waist, and you got

821
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:20,679
a line with a bongee that hooks
out to your dog, so basically your

822
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:24,519
hands free, for lack of better
terms. So I had Iris in front,

823
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:28,880
and then there was me smoking and
Chitto were in the middle, and

824
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:32,239
then Will was following up behind.
Now I'm going to say that this is

825
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:37,079
this is a very important factor.
We did not have a firearm with us.

826
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:39,280
We had no shotgun, we had
no pistols, we had nothing with

827
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:45,320
us. I think like the closest
thing we had to protection was maybe a

828
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,239
dog poop bag that had poop in
it. I think that was the closest

829
00:59:47,239 --> 00:59:52,559
thing we had to do anything that
could be considered a weapon. So we're

830
00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:57,320
going down this where this forked off, and on the left side of the

831
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:04,159
trail, it's dense thicket. On
the right side of the trail, it's

832
01:00:04,239 --> 01:00:07,039
creek tributaries to the White River.
It's marsh, it's tributaries. It's three

833
01:00:07,079 --> 01:00:12,840
foot grass with high knolls and deep
water. So the dogs are in between

834
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,199
us and they just keep looking off
to our left. I'm looking off to

835
01:00:15,199 --> 01:00:19,599
our left, Wills looking to our
left. We're hearing something coming through the

836
01:00:19,599 --> 01:00:22,639
brush, paralleling us, maybe within
fifteen feet. We can't see it.

837
01:00:22,639 --> 01:00:29,199
It's so thick. I keep telling
Will, Will, you're hearing this right.

838
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:30,159
He said, yeah, I can
hear it. I said, can

839
01:00:30,199 --> 01:00:35,159
you see anything? He's like,
I'm not seeing anything. Dogs are looking.

840
01:00:35,199 --> 01:00:37,760
We're all looking. None of us
can see anything, but we know

841
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:43,719
something's there. So we get to
the river where there's a bridge crossing,

842
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,440
and whatever it was, it stopped
following us. Then, so the dogs

843
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,559
go in, they go play in
the water. We cross the river,

844
01:00:50,719 --> 01:00:52,719
we go and we head up the
little bluff about ten feet off the trail.

845
01:00:53,199 --> 01:00:58,519
We set up for the night.
Bugs are bad. We built a

846
01:00:58,519 --> 01:01:00,199
little smoke fire just to get rid
of the bugs. We didn't even really

847
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:04,039
want to keep a full fire.
We didn't have anything to cook on the

848
01:01:04,039 --> 01:01:06,360
fire, so there was no point
in having one. It was just clear

849
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:08,880
of the bugs. Is While we
were setting up we'll we get in the

850
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:14,400
tent about seven thirty eight o'clock,
laying on an air mattress because if I'm

851
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,800
camping or hiking out, I gotta
have something because I've got a bad back.

852
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:21,239
So we were up on an air
mattress and the dogs were laying on

853
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,920
our backpacks because for some reason they
are too good for the floor, as

854
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:30,719
in every case, and we're sitting
there, you know, we're dozing off,

855
01:01:30,719 --> 01:01:39,920
and about midnight we hear this god
awful scream. And the only way

856
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:46,159
I could describe it would be if
you take like a fox howl, like

857
01:01:46,199 --> 01:01:53,159
their warning howl, mix it with
a bobcat screech, and a coyotes kind

858
01:01:53,199 --> 01:01:55,920
of like a like a coyote when
they scream. You know, some of

859
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:00,480
them just make a weird sounds and
maybe throw in a hint of a cougar

860
01:02:00,519 --> 01:02:07,840
scream, but give it the lung
capacity of a bull elephant. That's what

861
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:14,639
we heard, way off in the
distance. About a half hour after we

862
01:02:14,719 --> 01:02:17,760
heard that, we heard coyotes start
up. Well, then we heard the

863
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:22,599
scream again and then kyotes shut right
off. I know this wasn't a cougar

864
01:02:22,679 --> 01:02:25,199
scream, and I know what a
cougar sounds like, I know what kyotes

865
01:02:25,199 --> 01:02:29,480
sound like. I know what everything
out in those woods sounds like. I've

866
01:02:29,519 --> 01:02:35,119
been out there enough, But none
of them matched up. So we're sitting

867
01:02:35,119 --> 01:02:38,280
there and we just kept getting that
really eerie feeling like something was wrong,

868
01:02:39,159 --> 01:02:44,320
because at first you would hear the
crickets going, the birds going, you'd

869
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:49,760
hear who doowels going, and then
it would go dead silent, but then

870
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:53,639
the sound would pick up again,
and then it would go quiet again.

871
01:02:55,480 --> 01:03:00,800
And it was on one of these
quiet moments that we heard some thing approaching

872
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:06,519
the bridge on the gravel With two
feet. You could hear it coming across

873
01:03:06,559 --> 01:03:09,199
the bridge, and just like our
dogs when they crossed the bridge, their

874
01:03:09,199 --> 01:03:14,320
toenails would click on it. We
were hearing it, but it wasn't like

875
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:16,239
one a dog crosses, where you
hear four sets of clicking. It was

876
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:22,360
two sets. This came across on
two feet. I could hear this thing

877
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:27,320
breathing on the trail. I could
hear it going up the trail through the

878
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,280
leaf litter. I could hear it
clear the bluff and go farther up the

879
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:37,320
trail. And all of this happened
between the span of midnight and three in

880
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:42,320
the morning, and then about three
point thirty we heard the scream again,

881
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,559
but farther down the trail, off
to the west. So when we finally

882
01:03:45,559 --> 01:03:50,840
went back to sleep and we were
up the next morning, our backs were

883
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,880
hurting and our legs were sore,
but we were a little unnerved about how

884
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:58,599
all that went down. Now,
my dad was meant to pick up some

885
01:03:58,719 --> 01:04:02,199
of our gear because there's this another
access trail though on the North Country Trail,

886
01:04:02,599 --> 01:04:08,119
you're either going after the bridge,
there's a little trail that goes to

887
01:04:08,119 --> 01:04:11,559
the left that's going to take you
to the Bluff camp, there's a trail

888
01:04:11,679 --> 01:04:14,719
going to the right which is going
to take you the rest of the way

889
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:17,119
down trail, or there's a trail
that goes straight ahead and it cuts over

890
01:04:17,159 --> 01:04:20,840
to Echo Drive road or to Echo
Drive. My dad was going to meet

891
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:27,400
us there by Echo Drive, so
we were going to drop off our tent,

892
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:31,519
our, air mattress and everything else
we didn't need. So I had

893
01:04:31,559 --> 01:04:35,480
texted him due to how sore we
were, and I said, Dad,

894
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:40,440
we want to come home. We're
too sore. We can't finish this hike.

895
01:04:40,519 --> 01:04:45,960
We'll have to try again next year. So we're packing stuff up and

896
01:04:46,159 --> 01:04:53,280
we make the first trip out to
Echo. The whole time, you could

897
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:58,400
tell something was watching us. Each
time something was watching us, and we

898
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,239
had to make a couple of trips. I made the first trip out with

899
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:04,639
all the dogs and Will had to
go back the second trip with Smokey to

900
01:05:04,679 --> 01:05:10,440
go get the rest while my dad
waited to pick us up. So that

901
01:05:10,599 --> 01:05:14,880
was the second encounter. Mind you, These happened within three miles of each

902
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:19,920
other, as the crow flies,
all within three miles of town. This

903
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:23,320
is close to town, y'all.
It's not like we were out in the

904
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:26,800
middle of nowhere. It felt like
we were out in the middle of nowhere,

905
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:30,840
but we weren't. We were next
to a rather busy road. So

906
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:36,119
those were the two physical sightings that
we had or hearings, as we could

907
01:05:36,159 --> 01:05:41,480
say, because we didn't really see
on a couple of the occasions exactly what

908
01:05:41,519 --> 01:05:45,679
it was, but we only got
one good visual. Well, then fast

909
01:05:45,719 --> 01:05:53,559
forward to the beginning of this month, November, I'd say approximately about November

910
01:05:53,559 --> 01:05:58,880
fifth, maybe November tenth. It
was before rightful season, and I wake

911
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:05,360
up at about five o'clock in the
morning and I hear the same scream that

912
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:12,239
we heard out on the river.
But it's coming from a block and a

913
01:06:12,239 --> 01:06:17,000
half over. And when I say
within a minute, this thing had made

914
01:06:17,039 --> 01:06:23,639
a block and a half, which
our blocks here are square mile, it

915
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:30,840
made a good mile in not even
a minute. It went from a block

916
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:33,880
and a half over to right across
the street from where we live, screaming

917
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:40,719
the whole way. So something to
run that fast and to scream that loud

918
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:46,639
had to have had massive lungs.
And here's the best part. My dad,

919
01:06:46,679 --> 01:06:50,920
who is a skeptic beyond all belief, doesn't believe dog Man exists,

920
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:57,039
doesn't believe Bigfoot exists, doesn't believe
in any of that. Mumbo Jumbo heard

921
01:06:57,079 --> 01:07:00,800
it and couldn't figure out what it
was. We're talking about a who has

922
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:05,440
spent the better part of fifty years, almost sixty years in the woods,

923
01:07:05,599 --> 01:07:10,000
and he couldn't tell me what it
was. I wrote it off to him

924
01:07:10,039 --> 01:07:13,400
and told him it was a kyo. I don't think it was a kyo.

925
01:07:14,079 --> 01:07:15,639
If it was a coyote, it
had to be about an eight hundred

926
01:07:15,639 --> 01:07:19,880
pound kyot, And I don't think
I know for a fact. They don't

927
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:25,920
get that big. But so far
those are the only three things that have

928
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:30,800
happened where on like the past,
we've had multiple things happen several times in

929
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:34,880
a row, but those were the
three encounters from just this year alone.

930
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:39,239
Man, I'm telling you it's the
year of the dog Man. Yeah,

931
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:43,880
sure sounds like it. I'll tell
you what. I've got so many questions

932
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,119
to ask you, and we're about
an hour in now, would you mind

933
01:07:46,159 --> 01:07:49,800
coming back and doing a part too
so I could ask all those questions.

934
01:07:50,159 --> 01:07:55,239
I could certainly do a part two. Great, well, let's do that.

935
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:59,199
Then it sounds like we're all said
so, thanks again for your time

936
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:00,519
and green night.