WEBVTT

1
00:00:01.360 --> 00:00:05.440
Spit that Bigfoot kool aid out and
grab your head funds. It's time for

2
00:00:05.480 --> 00:00:10.759
another episode of Sasquatch Odyssey with your
host, the Grand Puba of Bigfoot Podcast,

3
00:00:10.919 --> 00:00:22.679
Brian Kingsham. I don't thanks so
much for joining me for the show

4
00:00:22.719 --> 00:00:26.760
on this beautiful Sunday in the South. I wanted to bring you guys something

5
00:00:26.800 --> 00:00:30.640
on the bonus show that I put
out over on that Bigfoot podcast on Friday.

6
00:00:31.280 --> 00:00:34.560
If you aren't listening to that show, we're about twenty one episodes in

7
00:00:34.640 --> 00:00:36.679
over there, and I'm telling you
we're having a lot of fun and talking

8
00:00:36.719 --> 00:00:40.439
about some of the subjects that frankly, nobody Hilton Bigfoot is really talking about.

9
00:00:40.960 --> 00:00:44.000
And one of those things that we've
decided to cover on the show is

10
00:00:44.679 --> 00:00:49.880
this Bluff Creek massacre theory hypothesis.
I don't really know what you would call

11
00:00:49.920 --> 00:00:52.520
it when and I have had a
couple of people reach out to us and

12
00:00:52.560 --> 00:00:55.280
ask us to cover this on the
show, and it's something we've been interested

13
00:00:55.280 --> 00:00:57.560
in, but frankly, we just
really didn't pay a whole lot of attention

14
00:00:57.600 --> 00:01:00.479
to, which honestly seems to be
the case all around Bigfoot. It seems

15
00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:04.680
to be just like a non issue
at this point because MK Davis and Todd

16
00:01:04.719 --> 00:01:10.200
Gatewood are back in the Bigfoot News, if you will, talking about this

17
00:01:10.280 --> 00:01:14.319
new image that they've put out in
the zeitgeist that everybody's probably seen by now

18
00:01:14.359 --> 00:01:18.159
that people have been accusing them of
using AI, but it's actually an upscaled

19
00:01:18.200 --> 00:01:22.519
image. I honestly started really looking
into this over the last week because Daniel

20
00:01:22.519 --> 00:01:26.000
Barnett, the young UK researcher that
runs the Mythical Legends podcast, reached out

21
00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:29.920
to me about a week ago and
said, Hey, I'm going to interview

22
00:01:30.040 --> 00:01:34.000
MK Davis and Todd Gatewood on my
show. I don't know a ton about

23
00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:36.480
each of them. Would you come
on and act as my co host for

24
00:01:36.519 --> 00:01:38.319
that episode? So Daniel and I
are actually going to be doing that.

25
00:01:38.519 --> 00:01:42.079
If you're listening to this today,
which your Sunday, I'll actually be doing

26
00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:46.079
that interview today with him, and
I will put it out at some point

27
00:01:46.079 --> 00:01:49.799
for you guys over here on Sasquatch
Odyssey sometime in the future. But in

28
00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:53.280
addition to talking about the work that
they're currently doing on the Patterson Gimlin film,

29
00:01:53.319 --> 00:01:57.560
I also think it's very important for
us to look back at the history

30
00:01:57.959 --> 00:02:01.959
and talk about some of the outlandish
claims that MK davis has made about Roger

31
00:02:02.000 --> 00:02:07.640
Patterson, Bob Gimblin, John Green, Renee de Hendon, Bob Titmas,

32
00:02:07.080 --> 00:02:10.840
tons of people that were involved in
and around the PG film back in nineteen

33
00:02:10.879 --> 00:02:15.199
sixty seven. So what you're about
to hear here is something that I put

34
00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:19.280
out on Friday on that big podcast. It's the Bill Miller document from back

35
00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:23.039
I think around the mid two thousands
that Bill put out with the help of

36
00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:27.000
Thomas Steinberg and several other people that
helped him gather all the information about this.

37
00:02:27.120 --> 00:02:30.439
But it basically lays out the facts
surrounding the case that MK davis has

38
00:02:30.439 --> 00:02:35.719
tried to make that basically, Roger
Patterson and Bob Gimlin slaughtered a family of

39
00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:39.479
Sasquatch on the sandbar on October twentieth, nineteen sixty seven, and then,

40
00:02:39.560 --> 00:02:43.800
with the help of other people like
John Green, Renee de Hendon, Bob

41
00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:47.080
Titmas, covered it up for decades. So the next twenty five minutes or

42
00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:52.520
so is going to be me reading
this Miller document in its entirety exactly how

43
00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:54.560
it's written to sort of lay the
foundation for you guys who may not know

44
00:02:54.639 --> 00:02:59.439
this story, and all the players
in the game, which now includes David

45
00:02:59.479 --> 00:03:02.199
Polidi's hear some of the things that
he's been involved in. Some of the

46
00:03:02.240 --> 00:03:06.960
emails that he sent to John Green
are going to be read here verbatim.

47
00:03:07.360 --> 00:03:09.080
He's been a key player in this
over the years, and I've really never

48
00:03:09.159 --> 00:03:13.400
heard anybody talk about it. So
without further ado, I'm gonna stop talking.

49
00:03:13.520 --> 00:03:16.120
I'm gonna let the episode play as
it appeared on that big Foot podcast

50
00:03:16.199 --> 00:03:23.240
on Friday, The Massacre of Bluff
Creek. Just when you thought you'd heard

51
00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:28.599
it all, by Bill Miller.
Just when you think you've heard it all,

52
00:03:28.639 --> 00:03:31.280
there comes a story so bizarre that
it boggles the mind how it could

53
00:03:31.319 --> 00:03:36.479
possibly have gotten started in the first
place. As I looked into the matter

54
00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:40.879
myself so to see what evidence someone
could possibly produce to support the horrific claim

55
00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:46.560
alleging that a family of Sasquatch were
murdered in Bluff Creek, California, in

56
00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:51.120
nineteen sixty seven and were then butchered
like something out of a B grade horror

57
00:03:51.240 --> 00:03:54.639
movie, I found myself in total
disbelief at the extent that someone would go

58
00:03:55.000 --> 00:03:59.759
to try to sell such a story, and how gullible others would need to

59
00:03:59.800 --> 00:04:02.560
be to buy it. It was
soon apparent to me that this tale was

60
00:04:02.599 --> 00:04:08.919
born not from fact, but rather
from rumor and innuendo with an added sleight

61
00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:12.800
of hand. It has been said
that the bigger the lie, the more

62
00:04:12.840 --> 00:04:15.839
people will believe it. Those words
have never been truer in this case,

63
00:04:16.560 --> 00:04:21.639
or how else could otherwise intelligent people
have been taken in while what I refer

64
00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:28.800
to as tabloid research practices had taken
them over. Allegations being born through what

65
00:04:28.920 --> 00:04:33.639
I deemed to be poor investigational standards
were quickly being leveled at select individuals before

66
00:04:33.680 --> 00:04:39.680
a real inquiry had even begun.
Because so much of this story appears to

67
00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:43.839
have been created from fallacy, it
is difficult to imagine that an agenda wasn't

68
00:04:43.879 --> 00:04:47.680
being fulfilled somehow by shooting first from
the hip and then asking questions later.

69
00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:55.000
It wasn't long before a select few
individuals were claiming to have inside information about

70
00:04:55.000 --> 00:05:00.720
a very very dark secret pertaining to
Bluff Creek, and without offering any specific,

71
00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:05.800
substantiated details, they were instead demanding
answers. In one particular case,

72
00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:12.160
the idea of taking a polygraph examination
was being sought for John Green by one

73
00:05:12.279 --> 00:05:16.560
David Plaids, author of the books
titled The Hoopa Project and Tribal Bigfoot.

74
00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:20.040
But before I get started, I
would like to share with you some of

75
00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:26.120
what I have pieced together of this
alleged massacre at Bluff Creek by putting some

76
00:05:26.199 --> 00:05:30.959
of the widely scattered about and far
too often unfounded assertions being made based solely

77
00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:38.680
on what I consider to be poor
investigational practices and interpretations evolving around a darkened,

78
00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:45.720
overcontrasted multi generational film copy. The
first I heard of anything whereas Roger

79
00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:49.160
Patterson and Bob Gimlin have partaken in
the slaughtering and butchering of a family of

80
00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:54.800
Sasquatch and Bluff Creek back in the
fall of nineteen sixty seven came by way

81
00:05:54.879 --> 00:05:59.639
of Bobby Short. Bobby has one
of the most well known sights on Sasquatch

82
00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:02.600
his bigfoot encounters. At the time, I was not yet privy to the

83
00:06:02.639 --> 00:06:08.480
details pertaining of what was being alleged
to have occurred in Bluff Cree concerning the

84
00:06:08.560 --> 00:06:12.759
killing of a family of Sasquatch.
Instead, I was offered a short,

85
00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:16.279
simple, generic response on June eleventh
of two thousand and eight, which said,

86
00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:19.959
let me take you back to times
when Renee used to say he had

87
00:06:19.959 --> 00:06:25.480
a secret about the filming of the
Patterson creature. I know the real truth,

88
00:06:25.600 --> 00:06:29.839
and I suspect John does too.
But the trouble is, with advancements

89
00:06:29.839 --> 00:06:32.680
in technology, it would appear that
keeping that secret isn't going to work any

90
00:06:32.720 --> 00:06:38.920
longer. Ask him, if you
won't tell you, I will. It

91
00:06:38.959 --> 00:06:42.680
has now been fifteen months since that
time, and Bobby has yet to tell

92
00:06:42.720 --> 00:06:46.959
me precisely what this secret is that
John Green was alleged to be harboring.

93
00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:51.160
However, after being offered an invitation
by Green to read a series of emails

94
00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:56.319
and responses that Bobby and others had
sent to him over time, I feel

95
00:06:56.360 --> 00:07:00.319
that I've gotten somewhat of a better
picture as to the conspiratorial mind, said

96
00:07:00.360 --> 00:07:03.439
of some of those individuals who would
later become a part of the fiasco leading

97
00:07:03.519 --> 00:07:10.160
up to what has been referred to
as the massacre at Bluff Creek. Despite

98
00:07:10.199 --> 00:07:14.560
John Green and others having written quite
thoroughly about the events that transpired in the

99
00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:17.920
summer of nineteen sixty seven at Bluff
Creek, California, and again later that

100
00:07:17.959 --> 00:07:21.839
fall, when Roger Patterson and Bob
Gilman had gotten a film of what appears

101
00:07:21.920 --> 00:07:27.199
to be a female Sasquatch in the
same general area. There came no shortage

102
00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:30.560
of questions that could have been answered
had the interested party just taken the time

103
00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:35.959
to review the available materials already in
print. One such source is On the

104
00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:41.160
Track of the Sasquatch, written by
John Green and published in nineteen sixty eight.

105
00:07:42.040 --> 00:07:45.279
On pages forty five through forty nine, is a summary of the events

106
00:07:45.319 --> 00:07:48.560
that caused John Green and Reneede to
Hendon to merge upon Bluff Creek in the

107
00:07:48.560 --> 00:07:54.639
summer of nineteen sixty seven so to
investigate fresh foot tracks that were reported to

108
00:07:54.680 --> 00:07:59.120
have been left on Blue Creek Mountain
the night before. During that visit,

109
00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:01.839
there was some movie film shot of
the area by Renee, along with still

110
00:08:01.879 --> 00:08:05.160
pictures by both Renee and John,
so to make a record of their trip

111
00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:09.959
and what they had seen. My
understanding is that sometime after their return to

112
00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:15.399
Canada, Renee made an edited version
of this film, which was later used

113
00:08:15.399 --> 00:08:18.199
to give talks on the subject at
various venues. Yet, in some of

114
00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:22.560
the emails I have read between Green
and Bobby Shore, there were these types

115
00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:26.839
of questions being asked in which the
apparent source of Short's information had involved M.

116
00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:31.279
K. Davis and a multi generational
copy of Renee's film that Chris Murphy

117
00:08:31.320 --> 00:08:35.960
had apparently shared with Davis. Here's
some examples of these types of questions that

118
00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:41.360
Bobby presented to Green. Have you
ever sat down with MK and just taken

119
00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:45.279
the time to understand it before you
cast a critical eye? Am I to

120
00:08:45.360 --> 00:08:50.480
understand that you did a quick turnaround
immediately after Bud Ryerson's phone call and flew

121
00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:54.440
back down to Orleans's airstrip in a
chartered airplane with Renee to merely look for

122
00:08:54.480 --> 00:08:58.759
more tracks, And that you waited
for Don Abbott to arrive several days later

123
00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:03.600
merely so he could look at these
tracks. Come on, John, that

124
00:09:03.639 --> 00:09:07.559
doesn't fly with anyone, least of
all me. You hadn't been home twenty

125
00:09:07.600 --> 00:09:11.360
four hours when that phone call from
Ryerson came in. That's in your eight

126
00:09:11.480 --> 00:09:16.600
book. You had already seen the
tracks in Bluff Creek. What did Ryerson

127
00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:20.679
mean when he told you what you're
looking for is here? Why did you

128
00:09:20.759 --> 00:09:24.960
hire a handler and a tracking dog
to look for more tracks? Why did

129
00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:31.960
dal Moffatt insist on two rifles for
protection protection from what tracks. These are

130
00:09:31.960 --> 00:09:35.200
but a few of the questions that
were being put to John that a mere

131
00:09:35.240 --> 00:09:39.320
reading of his books would have had
answered them all. As for me personally,

132
00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:41.320
I have a method that I like
to use in such matters, which

133
00:09:41.360 --> 00:09:48.200
is called Ockham's razor. Ockham's razor
is quite simply a principle whereas entities must

134
00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:52.240
be multiplied beyond what is necessary.
In other words, it was most logical

135
00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:56.840
and certainly acceptable that John Green would
want to be called if fresh tracks showed

136
00:09:56.919 --> 00:10:01.440
up again in the Bluff Creek area, that a tracking dog could be put

137
00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:05.679
on the scent as soon as possible. It was also quite reasonable to believe

138
00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:09.480
that a dog handler would want rifles
on hand in the event that his highly

139
00:10:09.519 --> 00:10:13.399
skilled dog was able to lead the
group to their quarry. Let us not

140
00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:16.840
forget that no one really knew what
they were dealing with or what would happen

141
00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:20.720
in the event of a confrontation with
whatever it was that had been leaving the

142
00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:24.799
large tracks on the ground at the
time. Keep in mind that it would

143
00:10:24.799 --> 00:10:28.720
be almost two months later before Patterson
and Gimlin came upon and filmed one of

144
00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:33.480
the creatures responsible for leaving the large
foot tracks on the ground. Until that

145
00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:37.960
time, the world had only heard
general descriptions from eyewitnesses as to there being

146
00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:43.840
a large, upright ape like creature
roaming the Pacific Northwest. It only made

147
00:10:43.879 --> 00:10:46.960
sense that the dog handler would want
to play it safe and have the added

148
00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:52.000
protection for his K nine. In
further review of the correspondence between John Green

149
00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:56.919
and several other people who were seemingly
hinting at something sinister that happened at Bluff

150
00:10:56.960 --> 00:11:01.159
Creek, I ran across an email
whereas David Polie had said to Al Hodson,

151
00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:05.320
I actually got my hands on a
fairly old copy of the PG film,

152
00:11:05.720 --> 00:11:09.759
full framed with segments on it.
Nobody has seen. It is in

153
00:11:09.879 --> 00:11:15.240
the expert's hands, and many of
our impressions of what actually occurred is playing

154
00:11:15.279 --> 00:11:20.639
out. I actually believe that John
Green and Gimlin a harboring a very very

155
00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:26.759
dark secret. Really, to those
who don't know, Al Hodgson is Al

156
00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:30.759
the man who owned the hardware store
in Willow Creek, California, at the

157
00:11:30.799 --> 00:11:35.919
time Roger Patterson shot his famous film. It was the same evening after Roger

158
00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:41.399
Patterson had filmed the Sasquatch October twentieth
of nineteen sixty seven, when Al got

159
00:11:41.440 --> 00:11:45.440
a call from Roger, who was
using the payphone outside Al's store, so

160
00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:50.559
to tell him what he and Gimlin
had witnessed only hours before. While David

161
00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:54.200
Polaides has been careful not to commit
himself to certain specifics, he had made

162
00:11:54.200 --> 00:12:00.000
particular references that pointed in the direction
he appeared to be heading in this ridiculous

163
00:12:00.240 --> 00:12:05.480
tale of slaughtered Sasquatch. In one
of his emails, Polites attached some images

164
00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:09.080
to John Green that were not of
the PG film, as he had mistakenly

165
00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:13.519
thought, but rather from the Renade
de Hendon film taken during Green's return visit

166
00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:18.000
to Bluff Creek in late August of
nineteen sixty seven. It appeared that Polites

167
00:12:18.039 --> 00:12:22.919
may have been unaware that the old
film that he had told Hodgson about coming

168
00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:28.200
into possession of was actually the edited
version of the Hendon's film on Blue Creek

169
00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:33.159
Mountain that had been attached to a
copy of Patterson's film for public showing purposes

170
00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:37.159
and other venues. I still find
myself wondering how anyone could think that the

171
00:12:37.159 --> 00:12:41.679
two films were shot at the same
time. The facts was that the lush

172
00:12:41.720 --> 00:12:46.240
green scenery of Late Summer and de
Hendon's film compared to the deepened red fall

173
00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:52.679
colors seen in Patterson's film is quite
discernible. Needless to say that Green wasn't

174
00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:58.159
impressed with the accusatory remark Polites made
to Hodgson on July fifteenth of two thousand

175
00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:03.200
and nine about John harboring a very
very dark secret. Green responded that if

176
00:13:03.240 --> 00:13:07.000
Poliites wanted to know what he saw
in Bluff Creek during his visit there the

177
00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:11.759
last week of August nineteen sixty seven, then the thing for Polites to have

178
00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:16.039
done would be to have gone to
who would best know the answer, John

179
00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:22.559
Green. In an email response to
Green on that particular point, Polaites arrogantly

180
00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:26.799
writes, telling me how to be
an investigator is like me telling you how

181
00:13:26.799 --> 00:13:31.039
to be a journalist. Telling me
I should go to you first is the

182
00:13:31.120 --> 00:13:35.879
exact opposite protocol to any investigation.
So just what should a good investigator do?

183
00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:43.080
Let us review again what Polites rode
to Al Hodgson. I actually got

184
00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:46.200
my hands on a fairly old copy
of the PG film, full framed with

185
00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:50.399
segments on it. Nobody has seen. It is in the expert hands,

186
00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:56.120
and many of our impressions of what
actually occurred is playing out. In a

187
00:13:56.159 --> 00:14:00.000
later email to Green from Polides dated
August seventeenth of two thousand and eight,

188
00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:03.919
Polites asked about this film that he
had been in possession of for at least

189
00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:07.720
one month. What is the man
pointing to on the ground that you appear

190
00:14:07.759 --> 00:14:11.840
to be looking down with something on
your shoulder? What is on your shoulder?

191
00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:16.240
We had our experts determine what was
on your shoulder, and with ninety

192
00:14:16.279 --> 00:14:22.919
nine percent accuracy they determined it was
the attached and inserted camera. I trust

193
00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:26.840
your integrity, but please tell me
what is on your shoulder. The multi

194
00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:33.360
generational steel frame from Dehendon's movie that
Polites was referring to when asking Green what

195
00:14:33.559 --> 00:14:37.080
was on his shoulder is seen below. The second image with a movie camera

196
00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:41.080
inserted is a crop of the same
frame that Polaites also presented to Green.

197
00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:46.039
The inserted camera illustration was presented to
Green, alleging it to be the large

198
00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:52.879
camera that Politi's experts were ninety nine
percent sure of seen. The problem I

199
00:14:52.919 --> 00:14:58.039
have with Polaides and his alleged unnamed
experts claiming with a ninety nine percent certainty

200
00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:01.960
that Green is holding a large movie
camera, is that they are using a

201
00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:07.639
very dark, over contrasted copy of
the Heendon's film. Areas that dark all

202
00:15:07.679 --> 00:15:11.039
blend together, thus making borders all
but impossible to determine. Most of the

203
00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:16.320
time, Areas that are brightly lit
and heavily contrasted are expanded out of their

204
00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:20.600
original borders, thus giving the interpreter
a false image of what's really there.

205
00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:26.840
It's also known, or should be
known, that movie film, especially codochrome

206
00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:31.519
II film like that which Patterson used, had a highly reflective property and was

207
00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:35.639
made more for outdoor light exposure.
As often happens when copied by way of

208
00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:41.720
artificial light, color shifts within the
image take place. In other words,

209
00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:46.320
colors often look differently on a copy
film than they were seen on the camera

210
00:15:46.399 --> 00:15:50.679
original. As I looked at these
images, I asked myself what kind of

211
00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:54.960
expert looking at photographic evidence, would
want to make a call so bold as

212
00:15:54.000 --> 00:16:00.559
to claim a ninety nine percent certainty
of anything from such a poor image source

213
00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:03.799
as the one being provided by Polites. It would seem to me that a

214
00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:08.039
logical and responsible approach to take would
be to want to see the original film,

215
00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:14.240
which is undoubtedly better lit, clear, sharper, less contrasted, and

216
00:16:14.279 --> 00:16:18.039
to offer a more accurately colored image
for study compared to those images that these

217
00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:23.279
alleged experts were willing to rest their
hats on. Let's be honest, who

218
00:16:23.279 --> 00:16:26.960
has ever thought that one could see
more detail through a dirty window versus a

219
00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:32.399
clean one? As of September seventeenth
of two thousand and nine, I am

220
00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:36.879
told by John Green, owner of
the first generation copy, and Eric Dehindon,

221
00:16:37.159 --> 00:16:41.320
current owner of the camera original,
that Polites nor anyone representing him has

222
00:16:41.360 --> 00:16:45.600
sought to see either man's film,
which is of better quality than that Polites

223
00:16:45.720 --> 00:16:51.799
was using. The end result of
trying to interpret poor, multigenerational, and

224
00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:56.879
over contrasted images must have surely led
in part to the series of questions that

225
00:16:56.919 --> 00:17:00.200
Polites put to John Green in his
email of August seventh of two thousand and

226
00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:06.880
nine. Some of those questions were
question number one, what is the man

227
00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:10.480
pointing to on the ground that you
appear to be looking down at with something

228
00:17:10.519 --> 00:17:14.759
on your shoulder? What is on
your shoulder? John? You say that

229
00:17:14.839 --> 00:17:18.400
isn't a camera on your shoulder?
What is it? Then we had our

230
00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:22.160
experts determine what was on your shoulder. With ninety nine percent accuracy, they

231
00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:27.720
determined it was the attached and inserted
camera. I trust your integrity, but

232
00:17:27.799 --> 00:17:32.960
please tell me what is on your
shoulder. It appears that you have something

233
00:17:32.960 --> 00:17:36.440
on your belt just above and in
front of your left elbow. What is

234
00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:40.680
that on your belt? Is that
a pistol holster? It should be noted

235
00:17:40.720 --> 00:17:45.599
once again that it was January fifteenth
of two thousand and nine when Polides rode

236
00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:49.200
to al Hodgson and said that his
experts had in their possession the film in

237
00:17:49.319 --> 00:17:55.759
question. However, it appears that
neither Polides nor his experts have actually watched

238
00:17:55.799 --> 00:18:00.720
the entire Blue Creek Mountain sequences of
John Green in motion, or they would

239
00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:04.440
have known that John Green had nothing
on his shoulder. As the film advanced,

240
00:18:04.440 --> 00:18:07.599
they would have been forced to see
Green's left hand pull away from his

241
00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:12.079
shoulder, and in it, he
would only be holding a small steel camera.

242
00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:17.559
Going back to the question Politi's put
to John Green, where he asked

243
00:18:17.680 --> 00:18:22.200
what it was that Green had on
his left hip, Politis wrote, it

244
00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:25.640
appears you have something on your belt
just above and in front of your left

245
00:18:25.680 --> 00:18:29.680
elbow. What is that on your
belt? Is that a pistol holster?

246
00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:33.759
No better example could be made for
what being thorough can do when attempting to

247
00:18:33.799 --> 00:18:38.559
interpret images, because had Politi's or
his alleged experts just taken the time to

248
00:18:38.599 --> 00:18:42.279
study the film, they then should
have noticed that, when Green turned into

249
00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:45.880
the sunlight, that it was quite
obvious that he had nothing on his belt

250
00:18:47.079 --> 00:18:51.000
that would make someone think that he
may possibly be wearing a holster or a

251
00:18:51.039 --> 00:18:55.799
holstered pistol on his left hip.
Even a simple lighting of an image can

252
00:18:55.880 --> 00:19:02.920
oftentimes eliminate unnecessary, erroneous interpretations,
none of which Polites or his alleged experts

253
00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:07.240
appear to have done. This method
that I speak of is mere common sense

254
00:19:07.240 --> 00:19:10.720
in my view. I mean,
does not a person who enters a darkened

255
00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:14.640
room first consider turning on the lights
so as to see better what's around them?

256
00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:19.200
I certainly do. If Polaites and
his alleged experts did, in fact

257
00:19:19.319 --> 00:19:23.599
watch the Blue Creek Mountain film footage
and motion, then they have some explaining

258
00:19:23.640 --> 00:19:27.680
to do as to how it is
that each one of them failed so miserably

259
00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:33.240
in not catching these undeniable points.
Polites had written to John Green on August

260
00:19:33.319 --> 00:19:37.880
sixteenth of two thousand and nine,
and said the following the job of a

261
00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:44.559
professional researcher investigator is not to pick
and choose who they feel as being honest

262
00:19:44.920 --> 00:19:49.079
and only follow those leads, but
to thoroughly and professionally investigate all angles of

263
00:19:49.119 --> 00:19:55.000
an incident. This process vindicates the
truthful, which I know is what you

264
00:19:55.119 --> 00:20:00.319
want. I have a hard time
believing that Polites or his alleged expt Birds

265
00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:03.519
implemented that approach when they looked at
the images from the Blue Creek Mountain film

266
00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:07.720
footage. If anything, it appeared
that they did just the opposite, or

267
00:20:07.759 --> 00:20:11.519
how else could have many of the
questions being put to Green ever been considered

268
00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:15.880
in the first place. So how
did all this nonsense come about? And

269
00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:21.599
who was it that started this ill
fated fiasco? Because so little has been

270
00:20:21.680 --> 00:20:25.720
learned by those seeking these answers,
because the accusers have been vague in their

271
00:20:25.759 --> 00:20:30.279
so called evidence of Green and Gimblin
harboring what they've alleged to be a very

272
00:20:30.400 --> 00:20:34.480
very dark secret, I can only
speculate. Please let me share what I

273
00:20:34.559 --> 00:20:41.160
believe may have happened several years ago. Chris Murphy sent MK Davis a copy

274
00:20:41.200 --> 00:20:45.359
of the Blue Creek Mountain film footage
so to make some still captures for a

275
00:20:45.400 --> 00:20:48.319
project Chris was working on at the
time. At some point after that,

276
00:20:48.759 --> 00:20:53.119
Davis started analyzing the footage in question
on his own. Along the way.

277
00:20:53.160 --> 00:20:57.279
For whatever reason, Davis started thinking
he was seeing things in the Blue Creek

278
00:20:57.359 --> 00:21:03.039
Mountain footage, and from that he
formulated the notion that a slaughter of sasquatch

279
00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:07.160
had taken place in the Bluff Creek
area on or around the time that Roger

280
00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:11.759
Patterson and Bob Gimlin were there and
had gotten the now famous film that Roger

281
00:21:11.799 --> 00:21:15.839
shot. From the reading of an
email that I received from Bobby Short,

282
00:21:15.880 --> 00:21:18.400
it was apparent that Davis had shared
some of the thoughts with her, and

283
00:21:18.480 --> 00:21:22.920
that led Bobby to telling me about
Green having a secret that she believed that

284
00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:26.119
she now knew, and that if
he wasn't going to tell me what that

285
00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:30.960
secret was, then she would.
It wasn't until earlier this year when I

286
00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:37.759
started hearing about Davis posting numerous clips
on YouTube, whereas MK was alleging that

287
00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:41.640
he was finding things within the Blue
Preak Mountain footage that pointed to a mass

288
00:21:41.720 --> 00:21:47.519
murdering of Sasquatch at Bluff Creek.
Among some of his claims was that he

289
00:21:47.599 --> 00:21:51.440
was looking at a gravesite that Green
and de Hendon were present at, that

290
00:21:51.559 --> 00:21:55.559
a man seen in those images holding
a rifle was none other than Bob Titmas,

291
00:21:56.079 --> 00:21:59.519
that red blood could be seen on
the sand at the gravesite location,

292
00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:03.799
that the presence of blood could also
be seen on the ground near a fool

293
00:22:03.799 --> 00:22:07.519
of water, along with an alleged
Sasquatch skin seen laying on the ground,

294
00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:14.640
not to mention several other outlandish claims. In reviewing several of MK's clips,

295
00:22:14.720 --> 00:22:18.680
it wasn't always being made clear by
Davis that he was altering the images.

296
00:22:18.279 --> 00:22:22.359
However, having seen a far better
quality copy of the same film, it

297
00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:26.799
was apparent to me that that was
exactly what he had done. Several such

298
00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:32.880
examples could be seen under the title
MK Davis's Illustrations that are shown below.

299
00:22:33.920 --> 00:22:37.279
It would seem to me that anyone
would knowledge at all of the Blue Creek

300
00:22:37.319 --> 00:22:41.519
Mountain film footage, and considering the
lack of image quality that MK Davis was

301
00:22:41.640 --> 00:22:45.799
using, that they would see how
unreliable the interpretations of MK's could be and

302
00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:49.839
how important it would be to seek
out a much more reliable film source.

303
00:22:51.759 --> 00:22:55.359
The fact is that the pilot in
the Blue Creek Mountain film footage was not

304
00:22:55.599 --> 00:23:00.240
Bob Titmas. The much younger looking
pilot than forty eight year old Titmus in

305
00:23:00.319 --> 00:23:03.519
nineteen sixty seven was as tall as
John Green, who was six foot four

306
00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:08.720
inches tall, when Bob Titmus was
around five foot seven inches tall. In

307
00:23:08.759 --> 00:23:12.240
one illustration, it was obvious that
M. K. Davis had manipulated the

308
00:23:12.279 --> 00:23:15.799
color of the hands of the pilot
so as to imply that they were bloody.

309
00:23:17.519 --> 00:23:19.839
The same seemed to have been done
with the fast flowing stream as well.

310
00:23:21.640 --> 00:23:25.400
Other copies of the film in question
did not show red hands or a

311
00:23:25.440 --> 00:23:30.359
red stream. In some instances,
there was text added to the illustrated frame

312
00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:34.079
stating that the image had been altered. Three clicks of color was admitted to,

313
00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:40.519
but no reference as to what one
click represented in intensity. Meanwhile,

314
00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:44.440
at the same time MK appeared to
be suggesting to the viewer other things that

315
00:23:44.519 --> 00:23:48.640
he simply had no proof of,
but could be implied having now adjusted the

316
00:23:48.680 --> 00:23:52.799
color of certain selected areas of the
image. For instance, on Green's copy

317
00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:56.559
of the same film, a scene
starts at the tail end of the pilot

318
00:23:56.640 --> 00:24:00.559
having just met the tracking dog.
The a sleight of hand came when MK

319
00:24:00.759 --> 00:24:04.920
made the hands appear bloody while offering
a tail of a dog attack having just

320
00:24:04.960 --> 00:24:10.519
occurred. In fact, the stream
at Bluff Creek flows so fast that I

321
00:24:10.519 --> 00:24:14.400
believe it reasonable to say that a
fifty five gallon drum of blood could have

322
00:24:14.480 --> 00:24:18.200
been poured into the water and it
couldn't turn the stream red from shore to

323
00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:22.920
shore before quickly being swept away downstream. To most people, it was quite

324
00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:26.839
clear that the assertions that Davis was
making couldn't stand up under their own weight

325
00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:30.480
when thought through, and yet it
appeared that some people had bought into his

326
00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:37.240
claims without properly analyzing them. Another
such example was Davis suggesting that he could

327
00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:41.960
see blood at a location that he
proposed was the grave site inserted in above

328
00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:45.960
the film frame as a view of
a log behind John Green. As the

329
00:24:47.000 --> 00:24:49.920
movie film advanced, Green moved away
from the area marked with an X,

330
00:24:51.240 --> 00:24:55.240
and behind him was seen a spot
on the tree whereas the bark was missing.

331
00:24:56.119 --> 00:24:59.839
The color of the bark matched that
of the blurred reddish brown spots on

332
00:24:59.839 --> 00:25:04.000
the ground. Because blood turns very
dark rather quickly when exposed to air.

333
00:25:04.519 --> 00:25:08.079
It didn't seem logical to me to
believe that I was looking at blood on

334
00:25:08.119 --> 00:25:12.000
the ground. However, it did
seem logical that, in an area where

335
00:25:12.039 --> 00:25:17.240
logging had been taking place, and
it being obvious that other pieces of bark

336
00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:22.079
was scattered about, that the spots
asserted to be blood by MK was nothing

337
00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:26.839
more than pieces of bark on the
ground. What a ridiculous affair this had

338
00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:30.200
turned out to be. It seemed
that the more outrageous the allegations, the

339
00:25:30.200 --> 00:25:37.559
more eager someome individuals were to embrace
the possibility, whether purposely done or by

340
00:25:37.599 --> 00:25:41.319
carelessness, rumor and innuendo would take
the place of fact, and the implementing

341
00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:47.759
of overly darkened, contrasted images from
a multi generational film would help sell the

342
00:25:47.799 --> 00:25:52.079
story white had become black and black
had become white? What is the truth?

343
00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:57.119
In one email, Dave Polti's wrote
to Green on August fifteenth of two

344
00:25:57.160 --> 00:26:03.599
thousand and nine, I never stated
that you were harboring a dark secret.

345
00:26:03.079 --> 00:26:07.279
And yet one month before and to
the day, Polaitis had said to Hodgson,

346
00:26:08.079 --> 00:26:12.720
I actually believe that John Green and
Gimlin are harboring a very very dark

347
00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:18.839
secret. Really, another thing that
should have came to mind to a seasoned

348
00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:22.200
investigator and his experts, in my
view, would have been to want to

349
00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:26.119
know what other footage of the scene
might be found on the original unedited film

350
00:26:26.119 --> 00:26:30.559
that Reneedea Hindon had taken, if
for no other reason than to know if

351
00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:36.079
close ups of this alleged large movie
camera could be seen, so to be

352
00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:40.960
certain of the facts before making what
could otherwise end up being seen as part

353
00:26:41.079 --> 00:26:45.960
of an unnecessary, careless, slanderous
claim against other individuals. It should be

354
00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:49.720
said here and now for the record
that I recently followed up with both John

355
00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:55.039
Green, who has a far superior
edited copy of the film in question than

356
00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:59.720
Polaites obtained, and Eric Dehindon,
who has the camera original that his father

357
00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:03.559
rene when they took at Blue Creek
Mount to see if Dave Polyides has contacted

358
00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:08.319
either of them to see their films. As of September nineteenth, two thousand

359
00:27:08.359 --> 00:27:12.960
and nine, it appears that Polites
nor his alleged experts have attempted to see

360
00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:18.519
either of these men's films. On
August twenty second of two thousand and nine,

361
00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:22.759
Polates wrote me, saying I tried
my best to explain that we have

362
00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:27.599
much more evidence, better evidence,
more complete evidence than anyone seems to understand.

363
00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:33.720
If Polites has other more complete evidence
than the handful of images attached to

364
00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:37.079
his emails, then I am sure
that the accused would like to see it.

365
00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:41.160
Of course, his email to me
was written before he has seen this

366
00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:45.480
article. Thus he may think differently
now and wish not to be so arrogant

367
00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:49.039
when it comes to the abilities of
his so called alleged nameless experts, at

368
00:27:49.119 --> 00:27:53.039
least when it comes to photo interpretation. I would also like to say that

369
00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:57.559
I am not attributing the ideas and
claims of MK Davis to those of Polit's.

370
00:27:59.319 --> 00:28:02.480
What I tried to convey that from
the record and the timing of the

371
00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:06.720
events, that whatever it was that
led the types of questions that Polites was

372
00:28:06.759 --> 00:28:11.079
presenting to John Green were more likely
born out of erroneous suggestions being made by

373
00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:18.240
Davis that between the poor, darkened
over contrasted images, combined with the power

374
00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:22.119
of suggestion, not to mention the
altering of some of the images by MK,

375
00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:26.319
that Polites has been misled and relied
too much on the materials Davis had

376
00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:30.119
used. What I've attempted to do
is look at the evidence as it has

377
00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:33.759
been presented, so as to see
if it had legs or not. My

378
00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:38.559
conclusion is that it did not.
We all make mistakes, and it's been

379
00:28:38.599 --> 00:28:42.960
said that a mistake isn't a mistake
unless we refuse to correct it. I

380
00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:48.160
believe that there is ample evidence that
points to Polit's making a huge mistake when

381
00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:52.400
he claimed that Green and Gimlin were
harboring a very very dark secret. In

382
00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:56.279
my view, there are several people
who owe a big apology to John Green,

383
00:28:56.440 --> 00:29:00.839
Bob Gimlin, and anyone else who
they wrongly in an implicated in this

384
00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:04.519
most ridiculous tale, as the character
of the accused was called into question.

385
00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:08.240
The tables have now been turned,
and many of us will be watching to

386
00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:12.720
see if the accusers will have the
character to admit to their mistake. So

387
00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:18.720
far, MK Davis has removed all
of his videos from YouTube dot com.

388
00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:23.200
Special thanks to John Green, Eric
Dehindon, Al Hodgson, Thomas Steinberg,

389
00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:29.359
Chris Murphy, Sebastian Wang, and
Lauren Coleman for their role in helping me

390
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:33.079
gather the information that I solved.
Also a very special thanks goes out to

391
00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:37.480
Barry Blunt for taking the time to
go with me to John Green's home on

392
00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:41.680
two occasions so as to view the
photos of the edited first generation copy of

393
00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:47.559
Renee to Hendon's Blue Creek Mountain film. While maybe not as clear as seeing

394
00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:52.200
Green's film copy in person, it
was Blunt's photographic efforts that allows the reader

395
00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:56.279
of this article an opportunity to compare
the quality of Politi's film image source to

396
00:29:56.319 --> 00:32:01.400
that of John Green's. Bill Miller
Bigfoot Field Research is peting medi