WEBVTT 1 00:00:16.239 --> 00:00:21.559 Where are we at in society today? Come after me. I'm a man, 2 00:00:21.800 --> 00:00:26.600 I'm forty. Go ahead, make my dad. Every single week, 3 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:29.160 I put my freaking heart and soul into this. I don't go out there 4 00:00:29.199 --> 00:00:32.439 and laugh. It's not funny. Nothing's funny to me. I don't wanna 5 00:00:32.439 --> 00:00:36.000 go out there and get embarrassed on Monday night football fun of everybody. I 6 00:00:36.039 --> 00:00:39.960 think this at the beginning of a beautiful friendship. So I ain't nothing changed 7 00:00:39.960 --> 00:00:44.320 from yesterday. Still the same person I was yesterday, and I got the 8 00:00:44.359 --> 00:00:48.159 same thing for you that I had yesterday. You know why I'm here. 9 00:00:49.240 --> 00:00:53.679 You play to win the game. You don't play to just play it. 10 00:00:56.119 --> 00:01:00.399 That's a great thing about sports. You play to win, and I don't 11 00:01:00.399 --> 00:01:02.719 care if you don't have any wins. Do you go play to win? 12 00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:07.719 When you start telling me it doesn't matter, I can retire, get out 13 00:01:08.840 --> 00:01:14.560 for the matters. Oh Man, Does it matter that it's a Friday to 14 00:01:14.599 --> 00:01:18.280 you? Oh? You bet it does. Man. Welcome to EXUS and 15 00:01:18.359 --> 00:01:22.120 Bros. Glad you're with us throughout the great state of Michigan. Ben as 16 00:01:22.120 --> 00:01:26.319 our producer, I'm Matt Shephard, and as always, that Meyer hotline is 17 00:01:26.359 --> 00:01:29.760 open for you eight six, six, eight three eight forty eight forty three 18 00:01:30.200 --> 00:01:33.799 and the text line sports Radio to twenty one thousand, good to have you 19 00:01:33.840 --> 00:01:38.760 on board on this Friday in early June. Tigers are home for six straight 20 00:01:38.799 --> 00:01:42.120 now, starting tonight with the first to three against the Brewers. Deturch should 21 00:01:42.159 --> 00:01:48.000 feel good going into this matchup because Rie Olsen Casey Mysteric School will start in 22 00:01:48.040 --> 00:01:53.840 the series. Tiger's at five hundred, the Brewers are up five. I 23 00:01:53.879 --> 00:02:02.599 believe in the National League Central Division. Although they are, they've they've had 24 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:07.639 some bumps in the road. To find me a baseball team outside of maybe 25 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:13.199 the Yankees that hasn't although the Yankees, remember remember Aaron Judge at the beginning 26 00:02:13.280 --> 00:02:19.479 of the year, people were all over him because he was struggling a little 27 00:02:19.479 --> 00:02:21.520 bit. The lead is four and a half, thank you. The lead 28 00:02:21.599 --> 00:02:29.240 is four and a half for Milwaukee over chicag But Aaron Judge started out uh 29 00:02:29.639 --> 00:02:35.560 humanlike and now Aaron Judge is just ripping the cover off the ball on a 30 00:02:35.599 --> 00:02:39.639 regular basis and a massive reason why. I mean, the Yankees won again 31 00:02:39.719 --> 00:02:46.400 yesterday they beat Minnesota eight to five. They are the best record in the 32 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:49.919 American League They've had the best record in the American League for a while. 33 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:54.199 Now they are the team to be. They've won eight in a row and 34 00:02:54.639 --> 00:03:00.319 there are forty five wins overall. They're forty five victories on the seat and 35 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:02.840 our most in all of baseball. I think Philly was idol last night. 36 00:03:04.520 --> 00:03:08.520 I'll tell you what's more important, more impressive. They And again I don't 37 00:03:08.560 --> 00:03:15.840 know how much home field matters in the grand scheme of things. You know, 38 00:03:15.879 --> 00:03:17.240 I've said this for a long time. Baseball is you know, you 39 00:03:17.319 --> 00:03:23.400 get your last at bat? How is How's that a huge advantage? You 40 00:03:23.400 --> 00:03:28.800 get the last at bat when you're at home. X ratings and stuff. 41 00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:30.919 But if you've got a good closer on the opposite side, come on. 42 00:03:31.400 --> 00:03:38.800 They've got twenty four wins at home. They're twenty four to eleven. They've 43 00:03:38.840 --> 00:03:45.520 got more road winds then the White Sox have wins overall. The White Sox 44 00:03:45.560 --> 00:03:51.000 have lost a franchise record fourteen in a row. They've got twenty four wins, 45 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:57.039 which is the roadwinds, same number as the Angels have overall. Yankees 46 00:03:57.080 --> 00:04:03.280 have more road winds than Miami, more road winds than Colorado. Overall. 47 00:04:04.280 --> 00:04:11.199 Colorado's got twenty two wins on the air. That's dominant, man, absolutely 48 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:18.079 dominant. So the Tigers and Brewers tonight NBA Finals last night, massive letdown 49 00:04:19.040 --> 00:04:25.360 right, really psyched for this, been waiting a while, Boston's been waiting 50 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:29.519 ten days for crying out loud, really psyched for this. And then you 51 00:04:29.560 --> 00:04:31.639 know, you watch Dallas jump out to a one point lead, but you're 52 00:04:31.680 --> 00:04:38.600 thinking of yourself, so what right, what was it? Sixteen fifteen something 53 00:04:38.639 --> 00:04:42.439 like that, and then the Celtics just blow them out of the water. 54 00:04:43.160 --> 00:04:46.680 If you turned it off, and I get why you would. Dallas did 55 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:51.040 creep back in the third. They cut it to eight, they were down 56 00:04:51.079 --> 00:04:56.879 twenty five, they cut it to eight, and then Boston calls the time 57 00:04:56.920 --> 00:05:02.920 out and they're like, okay, let's regroup, let's refocus, and let's 58 00:05:02.959 --> 00:05:05.639 do what we were doing earlier in the game. They go on a fourteen 59 00:05:05.720 --> 00:05:10.519 nothing run, or maybe it was fourteen to two. Either way, it 60 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:15.800 was a dominant run. I said to you yesterday, I said, when 61 00:05:15.839 --> 00:05:21.120 I brought up the article of the top fifteen players in this series, and 62 00:05:21.199 --> 00:05:25.839 the webs one of the websites said it was Luka Dacic, and I thought, 63 00:05:25.959 --> 00:05:30.959 I said, it's kind of easy to say that because he's a scorer 64 00:05:32.480 --> 00:05:36.680 and it's kinetic energy. That's where we go to. We go to the 65 00:05:36.720 --> 00:05:45.319 guys who score, right, we need to think differently, find the guys 66 00:05:45.480 --> 00:05:50.759 who have the best overall game. This is where sometimes I get in trouble 67 00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:57.480 and getting a little bit of a heated debate with colleagues of mine, because 68 00:05:57.560 --> 00:06:02.000 I want the guys who are going to a bring it every night? Okay, 69 00:06:03.399 --> 00:06:08.959 b who are I think super tough? Remember what Jim Leland said the 70 00:06:08.959 --> 00:06:11.879 other day when we had him on our program a couple of days ago. 71 00:06:11.879 --> 00:06:14.279 If you missed it, Jim Leland, when I asked him, how do 72 00:06:14.399 --> 00:06:18.639 you you watch so many players? You're watching guys' stance, You're watching their 73 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:26.120 hands, You're watching their swing, You're watching their their power shift, you 74 00:06:26.199 --> 00:06:30.000 watch how they feel, how they throw, all these different nuances and skill 75 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:36.279 sets of a specific athlete, in this case baseball. How do you determine 76 00:06:36.759 --> 00:06:43.519 one guy from another? What are you looking for specifically that maybe we don't 77 00:06:43.560 --> 00:06:50.720 see? And among other things, he was talking about toughness. All right, 78 00:06:50.759 --> 00:06:55.680 you got to be mentally tough, physically tough for sure, but especially 79 00:06:55.720 --> 00:07:01.560 mentally tough, and I hes felt like I mean with the Celtics. That's 80 00:07:01.560 --> 00:07:04.399 why I said, I think Jalen Brown, who was the best player on 81 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:13.639 the floor last night's Jlen Brown. There's no doubt about that. Not because 82 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:19.160 he scored twenty two points. Christodd Porzingis had twenty off the bench. That's 83 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:21.720 a huge plus. We can talk about that a little bit later on. 84 00:07:21.759 --> 00:07:29.000 But not just because he scored twenty two points. What about the pestering defense 85 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:34.879 that he played. Look how good he was at both ends of the floor. 86 00:07:38.199 --> 00:07:41.439 I like Jason Tatum, he had a double double. He struggled with 87 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:46.800 his shot, But give me Jlen Brown. Man seven for twelve from the 88 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:49.600 floor, hit a couple of threes. It's terrible at the free throw line, 89 00:07:49.600 --> 00:07:54.600 which surprised me. Had twenty two points to lead Boston, who had 90 00:07:54.600 --> 00:08:00.800 a really balanced scoring attack. Six boards, a couple of assists, three 91 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:09.160 steals, three blocks, tied for the team leading blocks. Statistically, moving 92 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:13.920 forward, when teams are going well, one of the things you want to 93 00:08:13.920 --> 00:08:22.160 look at assist to turnover ratio. Okay, Boston had twenty three assists twelve 94 00:08:22.199 --> 00:08:31.480 turns. Dallas had nine assists eleven turns. Dallas had nine assists on thirty 95 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:39.320 five field goals made. In contrast, Boston had twenty three dimes on thirty 96 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:46.519 nine field goals made. That's a huge difference share the basketball. If you 97 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:50.799 were watching, Jason Kidd, the head coach of Dallas Mavericks, was kind 98 00:08:50.799 --> 00:08:54.919 of miked up and said to his guys, hey man, we got to 99 00:08:54.960 --> 00:09:00.480 move the ball. There's too much isoball too much. People try to do 100 00:09:00.519 --> 00:09:05.759 it themselves. Luka Dancic shill let everybody with thirty And this is not a 101 00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:11.440 It's not that I don't like Dancic. I've said he's got an incredible shot. 102 00:09:11.480 --> 00:09:16.240 To me, Ben, you can tell me if you think completely different. 103 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:22.360 I think he looks a little heavy face, body doesn't look super toned. 104 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:30.039 I think the guy's an absolute siev defensively. I just don't like him 105 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:33.399 on defense. He seems to give up on plays. He seems to be 106 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:37.720 almost lack luster at times with a basketball. He's incredible talent. I'm an 107 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:43.399 unbelievable shooter. Just not a huge fan of his game. At the other 108 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:46.600 end, and that bothers me. Kyrie Irving was steimy too. 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Later on this morning, we were talking a little 136 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:31.480 bit about the NBA Finals. Just before the break. Kyrie Irving, who's 137 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:35.480 been a fantastic player who has admitted some of his mistakes. I don't know 138 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:39.159 about you, but I like athletes who are willing to say, you know 139 00:12:39.200 --> 00:12:43.480 what, I'm I was wrong, I'm human. I wasn't my best self 140 00:12:43.519 --> 00:12:48.799 in Boston. If I were a Boston Celtics fan, I sure wouldn't appreciate 141 00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:52.840 him flipping me off if I were at the game and saying some of the 142 00:12:52.840 --> 00:12:56.240 things that he said. So I get it. But he knew he was 143 00:12:56.279 --> 00:13:01.600 wrong. He admitted it. How many of us are infallible? How many 144 00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:07.080 of us have never been wrong? I mean, we may not always say 145 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:11.279 we're sorry or that we were wrong, which is one of our many, 146 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:16.519 you know, problems in life. People just have a hard time saying that. 147 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:20.840 But Kyrie Irving did that. He's willing to admit his mistake. Good 148 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:28.679 for him, But he wasn't very good yesterday. Twelve points and a career 149 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:33.960 low one assist. Game two is Sunday. That was a huge disappointment, 150 00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:37.039 all right. A couple of other things. Adam hadwin and leads the first 151 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:41.840 run of the Memorial Cards sixty six six under sixty six. Scotti Scheffler is 152 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:46.360 a shot back at five hundred par four. Others sit at four under, 153 00:13:46.360 --> 00:13:52.799 including Colin Morikawa and Xander Schaffley Egospia Tech. You may not know much about 154 00:13:52.799 --> 00:13:56.600 women's tennis. I'm not asking you to do that, but I'll tell you 155 00:13:56.639 --> 00:14:03.879 this. This young lady at twenty three years old is unbelievable. Like she's 156 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:07.440 just a minute big, she's just little, but man is she powerful. 157 00:14:09.159 --> 00:14:11.399 Cocoa Goff is an excellent tennis player. She's ranked third in the world. 158 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:18.159 He gets Fiotec beat her in straight sets, no problem, and it's eleven 159 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:22.559 and one all time against her. You talked about ekryptonite. She's not won 160 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:28.279 twenty straight matches at Paris. She's probably going to win her third consecutive French 161 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:33.879 Open and fourth in the last five years. That's how dominant she's been on 162 00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:41.960 clay. I want to get to this because I'm interested to hear your thoughts. 163 00:14:41.639 --> 00:14:43.720 We might have to bring it up a little bit later on in the 164 00:14:43.720 --> 00:14:48.600 show because the six hour, six o'clock hour doesn't get a ton of traction 165 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:56.919 unfortunately. But Dan Campbell said this the other day. Because the Lions continue 166 00:14:56.960 --> 00:15:03.919 to do this the OTA, they've excused the veterans that the rookies are there. 167 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:07.279 They've got a couple more days, a few more days here this week 168 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:11.799 to try and get them a little bit more comfortable and understanding the schemes and 169 00:15:13.120 --> 00:15:20.279 so on and so forth. He told the media about what his message to 170 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:24.600 his team is, and part of the message is, and it's dead on 171 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:30.759 right as usual with Dan Campbell. Here's what he said. I think, 172 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:37.440 just remember what we're playing for. I want, just each individual, what 173 00:15:37.480 --> 00:15:41.639 do you want? What do you want out of this year? What do 174 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:43.480 you want to look like when we're sitting here and it's February? What's in 175 00:15:43.519 --> 00:15:50.240 your mind? I want the whole Enchilada. I mean, obviously a super 176 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:56.519 Bowl. And most players are pretty open about it about with their coach, 177 00:15:56.559 --> 00:15:58.759 but not necessarily publicly. Lions have talked openly about the super Bowl in the 178 00:15:58.759 --> 00:16:06.360 smart How do you feel about that? Do you feel like it's the proverbial 179 00:16:06.440 --> 00:16:14.440 cart before the horse. Campbell has said that he wants his team to think 180 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:25.080 backwards. He wants them to think super Bowl first. Remember how looked at 181 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:29.639 how strong they looked jumping out to a seventeen point lead in San Francisco in 182 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:33.440 the NFC Championship Game. You remember it so he's telling him work backwards, 183 00:16:34.960 --> 00:16:40.320 start with a big picture of mine. Super Bowl fifty nine New Orleans, 184 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:51.360 recognize what it takes to get there, and then do it so often. 185 00:16:51.879 --> 00:16:56.000 And I think perhaps we in Detroit do this as much as, if not 186 00:16:56.039 --> 00:17:03.640 more than anybody as a belief, you have to experience something first before you 187 00:17:03.759 --> 00:17:14.240 accomplish the goal. You have to experience almost heartache. It's a learning lesson. 188 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:21.279 We saw it with the Pistons, and this is where it kind of 189 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:25.880 forms within us. This is where we feel like, Okay, this is 190 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:32.279 the learning time for those individuals, and once they've learned this, now they'll 191 00:17:32.319 --> 00:17:38.480 know how to scale the mountain. I just don't believe that. I really 192 00:17:38.519 --> 00:17:45.400 don't, and I know there's examples of it. I want to know how 193 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:51.759 you feel about it. Here's part of the reason I say this. We 194 00:17:51.880 --> 00:17:53.079 think, well, you tried. He had to learn a lesson against San 195 00:17:53.079 --> 00:17:57.599 Francisco in the NFSC Championship Game, and that should help them help them. 196 00:17:57.599 --> 00:18:03.920 What win the NFC Championship Game this year? Does that mean they have to 197 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:12.759 lose a Super Bowl in order for them to win a Super Bowl? Correct 198 00:18:12.799 --> 00:18:18.240 me if I'm wrong, But the San Francisco forty nine ers didn't learn from 199 00:18:18.279 --> 00:18:22.559 their Super Bowl loss a few years ago because they didn't beat Kansas City last 200 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:30.279 year. I just don't get it, and I think it's because our teams 201 00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:41.119 have experienced something similar to that. I bring up the Pistons. Okay, 202 00:18:41.839 --> 00:18:48.440 remember the Detroit Pistons winning their first championship. Maybe some of you are way 203 00:18:48.480 --> 00:18:51.839 too young for that. I don't know. I remember it. I remember 204 00:18:51.839 --> 00:18:57.279 it well, all right, Well, I also remember, you know what 205 00:18:57.319 --> 00:19:03.880 it took to get there, the heartaches. But I also remember, Look, 206 00:19:03.960 --> 00:19:15.519 not all those heartaches were rewarded soon thereafter. Right. Detroit's first championship 207 00:19:15.559 --> 00:19:23.279 came in nineteen eighty nine. They had lost the finals the year before. 208 00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:32.920 That was part of a huge run where Detroit made the postseason nine straight years, 209 00:19:33.079 --> 00:19:42.000 right nineteen eighty four through nineteen ninety two. They losing the conference first 210 00:19:42.079 --> 00:19:48.839 round in eighty four losing the conference semis. So you're thinking, I mean, 211 00:19:48.839 --> 00:19:55.240 based on this logic, Okay, then next year we should get to 212 00:19:55.279 --> 00:20:00.640 the conference finals. Right, Nope, losing round one. In nineteen eighty 213 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:07.359 six, back to the conference finals. Lost, Wait what about the learning 214 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:11.680 lesson? Then lost in the finals. Then won in the finals each of 215 00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:15.000 the next two years, then lost in the Eastern Conference finals. Oh that's 216 00:20:15.039 --> 00:20:22.319 when Chicago learned. Oh that's right. It's not always a progressive learning scale, 217 00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:27.039 is kind of my point. Red Wings lost in ninety five to the 218 00:20:27.079 --> 00:20:33.200 New Jersey Devils. What happened in ninety six? They didn't win the championship, 219 00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:41.200 they didn't win the Stanley Cup. There's no guarantee. I want, 220 00:20:41.119 --> 00:20:47.839 I want the Lions to kick that proverbial door down too. But there are 221 00:20:48.279 --> 00:20:52.119 as many people think I'm not always a big believer in this either. There 222 00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:55.200 are certain windows. I think there are best chances for teams, for sure, 223 00:20:56.119 --> 00:21:00.319 but the window, I mean, if you believe in that for loop, 224 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:07.960 then that windows you better take advantage of it pretty quick. I just 225 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:11.440 don't believe in that hole. Okay, now we've gone through this. Now 226 00:21:11.440 --> 00:21:18.359 we're ready. There's plenty of examples of teams winning it first time. They're 227 00:21:18.400 --> 00:21:26.920 there. Patrick Mahomes and Kansas City Meyer hotlines open forty eight sixty six eight 228 00:21:26.920 --> 00:21:33.119 three eight forty eight forty three. You could text sports Radio to twenty one 229 00:21:33.160 --> 00:21:37.119 thousand. We'll continue the conversation. On the other side of this. There 230 00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:42.160 are also some some comments made by a couple of analysts about the NBA Finals 231 00:21:42.240 --> 00:21:47.240 last night and about some other things that are going on in basketball. We'll 232 00:21:47.240 --> 00:21:51.480 get to that a little bit later on. 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Sunday 248 00:23:07.960 --> 00:23:18.799 Tune twenty third lot Lay Clue on Friday, August ninety Loved Live, Don't 249 00:23:18.839 --> 00:23:23.359 miss Leonard skinnerd and zz Talk all part of the Soaring Eagle Summer Up Tour 250 00:23:23.480 --> 00:23:29.720 concert series. Tickets for all shows on ZILM now at the Fox office in 251 00:23:29.880 --> 00:23:33.400 etics dot com. Check the entire lineup at Soaring Eagle Casino dot com. 252 00:23:38.240 --> 00:23:42.960 Kyrie, share with us what's you're feeling right now? Just your thoughts mentally? 253 00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:48.079 How do you get yourself geared up for Game two? Just grateful for 254 00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:52.279 the experience to get through game one, you know, just a lot of 255 00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:56.160 emotions going into it and just waiting for the opportunity to get out there and 256 00:23:56.200 --> 00:24:00.559 compete, you know, going against the great Celtics teams. So we just 257 00:24:00.559 --> 00:24:03.039 had to get this one out the way, and we didn't perform the way 258 00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:07.359 we would have wanted to tonight. You know, it starts with me just 259 00:24:07.400 --> 00:24:11.839 being able to get out there and get us settled. I got to take 260 00:24:11.839 --> 00:24:17.480 some accountability for it, just the communication and just going out there and getting 261 00:24:17.559 --> 00:24:21.759 used to the way that the kind of environment was going to be. But 262 00:24:21.799 --> 00:24:25.000 I think my teammates did a great job of staying together sticking to the game 263 00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:27.279 plan. We obviously made some mistakes, like I said, but we gave 264 00:24:27.319 --> 00:24:32.039 ourselves a chance in the second half, and we just got to continue to 265 00:24:32.319 --> 00:24:36.799 do the right things and win the quarters as much as we can. They 266 00:24:36.839 --> 00:24:38.720 came out and hit us in the mouth early, got the home crowd going 267 00:24:38.759 --> 00:24:45.599 into it down seventeen in the first quarter. It's not really like us to 268 00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:48.799 give up thirty seven points. It's happened to us before in the playoffs, 269 00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:51.599 but we just wanted to make it a lot tougher on them, and they 270 00:24:51.640 --> 00:24:53.960 hit a lot of threes, and again, when you get them rolling like 271 00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:57.039 that, they play a very easy game the rest of the game, and 272 00:24:57.119 --> 00:25:00.559 we just got to hit them in their mouth a little bit. They did 273 00:25:00.680 --> 00:25:03.359 their job gain in game one, but we're going to take our lessons and 274 00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:18.200 get ready for a good game too. Kyrie Irving after the one oh seven 275 00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:27.000 eighty nine loss last night, Dallas's lowest output in the playoffs, very mature, 276 00:25:29.880 --> 00:25:33.240 been there, done that, not worried type answer. Right, what 277 00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:37.720 he said, this is what I've said for a long time, though, 278 00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:41.599 I mean, we overuse the word great so often. He said, Now, 279 00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:44.200 I thought my teammates did a great job. No they didn't. Your 280 00:25:44.240 --> 00:25:47.319 teammates did. It's okay. I don't expect him to say my teammates did 281 00:25:47.359 --> 00:25:52.000 a terrible job, but don't go there. You shot forty one percent from 282 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:56.440 the floor, actually forty one point seven percent. You made seven threes, 283 00:25:56.480 --> 00:26:03.839 that's it. You had nine assists. That is not great. They haven't 284 00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:08.839 done a great job at all. They didn't win one quarter they won, 285 00:26:10.599 --> 00:26:12.720 Yeah, they didn't win a quarter, did they? Oh? The third? 286 00:26:14.920 --> 00:26:18.839 Yeah, they outscored Boston by a point in the third. So I 287 00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:22.200 personally, no, that's that's not great. But I understand, you know, 288 00:26:22.440 --> 00:26:26.880 it's like it's it's kind of a trap that we all fall into to 289 00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:32.519 a certain extent, So I get it. I thought, what was fascinating 290 00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:37.240 to me is before the game, and this was I think it was yesterday, 291 00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:42.759 maybe it was two days ago where Jason Tatum talked about the pressure. 292 00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:55.880 During media availability on Wednesday, he was asked by members of the media about 293 00:26:55.920 --> 00:27:03.359 the pressure, especially in Boston because you know they've got seventeen titles, right, 294 00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:07.880 seventeen? Is there a different level of pressure? He said, oh, 295 00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:12.640 absolutely, He said, in Boston, the only hang NBA championship banners. 296 00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:18.720 It's not no disrespect to the Lions, but it's not Ford Field. 297 00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:33.240 You're not hanging division championships and stuff. You hang championship banners. That's all 298 00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:37.079 that matters, especially when you've done it as long as they've done it, 299 00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:40.680 And he said some of the greatest players to ever play the game were the 300 00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:44.519 uniform of the Boston Celtics. All of us are honored to follow in their 301 00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:49.000 footsteps, the way they've paved for us to live out our dream. What 302 00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:57.759 a great answer. You want to endear yourself to a fan base, talk 303 00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:07.799 about the tradition, the respect, and the aura of wearing that same uniform. 304 00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:15.599 Certain places you can't. You're not doing that yet in a place like 305 00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:25.079 Oklahoma City, with all due respect, but when you've they tried to instill 306 00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:30.400 that people new people to the organization has tried to do that with the Pistons. 307 00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:33.960 This is what being a Piston means. But it hasn't been that way 308 00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:41.519 for a long time. Right, look at the last five six years. 309 00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:49.359 It's been really tough for you and I to swallow, hasn't it. Last 310 00:28:49.359 --> 00:28:55.079 time they were at five hundred was twenty nineteen. Last time they were over 311 00:28:55.119 --> 00:29:04.039 five hundred it was twenty sixteen. So very challenging for us. Right when 312 00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:07.480 you're finishing five out of five in the division, five out of five, 313 00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:10.759 five out of five, five out of five, four out of five. 314 00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:18.079 That's why it's been the last five years horrific. Fourteen wins, seventeen wins, 315 00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:21.799 twenty three wins, twenty wins, twenty wins. It doesn't work, 316 00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:30.839 But in Boston, Jason Tatum company, you better embrace that. You better 317 00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:33.440 understand the environment. So he said, if you want to be one of 318 00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:37.119 the greats, to put on this uniform, every great before, you want 319 00:29:37.119 --> 00:29:40.920 a championship. That's what we try and play for every single season. The 320 00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:45.680 expectations are obviously different here. It takes special players to be here and to 321 00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:49.119 be part of an environment like that, that's awesome. I flip and love 322 00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:55.640 that, man, I do. I think it's so cool. Maybe it's 323 00:29:55.680 --> 00:30:00.319 too much for some athletes, then you probably don't want them there. That 324 00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:06.680 phrase, that statement got me so fired up when I read it, and 325 00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:11.920 I thought to myself, damn it, that's how people should be in this 326 00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:19.519 state. If you want to be one of the greats, to put on 327 00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:27.279 this uniform every grape before you won a championship. That's what we try and 328 00:30:27.319 --> 00:30:30.720 play for every single season. Now, you couldn't do that in Detroit. 329 00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:37.680 Not every great player won a championship. So for example, with the Red 330 00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:41.200 Wings, John O'grodnek was a hell of a player, didn't win a championship, 331 00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:45.319 all right. Adam Oates was a hell of a player in Detroit, 332 00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:51.880 although most of his career was in Washington. But you get my point. 333 00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:55.359 He didn't win a championship. So you can't say that necessarily. But the 334 00:30:55.920 --> 00:31:00.240 many of the greats, whether it be Gordy Howe or Ted Lindsay or Harry 335 00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:04.799 Sachak or Steve Eisman or surrogate Federal for Brendan Shan and Nick Linstrom, they 336 00:31:04.839 --> 00:31:11.519 did win championships. The greats for the Pistons, I know Dave Bing didn't 337 00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:18.240 win one, didn't win with the Celtics, Bob Lanier didn't win one. 338 00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:25.960 Grant Hill didn't win one. So that's unfortunate that that phrase wouldn't necessarily work 339 00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:30.200 there wouldn't work with the Tigers either, But that's the standard that needs to 340 00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:36.279 be set. Don't you think that's why this kind of goes full circle here? 341 00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:42.599 That's why I like that. Dan Campbell said, let's think Super Bowl 342 00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:51.559 backwards? What's wrong with that? This is not the Prince of Wales Trophy 343 00:31:51.559 --> 00:32:00.400 where you're afraid to touch it after winning the conference championship. Let's go after 344 00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:08.680 it. The expectations have to be different. What did I say yesterday? 345 00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:13.400 If you were listening, I said, I am tired, just like you 346 00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:20.240 are. I am tired of the word patience. We have said it after 347 00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:25.799 so many different seasons, with so many different teams. To the Lion's credit, 348 00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:31.440 they haven't said that. What look at look at the three teams that 349 00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:37.000 have been out of the playoffs for a long time in Detroit, the Pistons. 350 00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:39.880 What do we say, Well, you gotta be you gotta have patients 351 00:32:39.880 --> 00:32:43.480 because you got a new owner, you got a new GM. Troy Weavers 352 00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:50.680 coming in. Suddenly five years go by and nothing. Steve Eisman tells everybody 353 00:32:50.839 --> 00:32:57.359 this is going to be a long process. Rebuilding is difficult. That's a 354 00:32:57.440 --> 00:33:00.880 nice way of saying, we've got to be patient. Scott here said the 355 00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:07.000 same thing, coming in. Got to be patient. Hey man, I 356 00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:12.640 got news for all these people. The fan base has been patient. At 357 00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:22.079 what point does it turn from the fans being patient to the organization raising expectations 358 00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:30.480 because we're not seeing it right now and we deserve it. Why is it 359 00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:37.720 that other teams? And look, if you think, boy, it's quite 360 00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:43.359 a convenient argument, shop, quite a convenient argument considering the Celtics are in 361 00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:49.200 the NBA finals. Maybe you're right about that. You know, maybe I'm 362 00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:52.400 using this and quite out, but in fairness to me, I am using 363 00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:57.000 it as part of the Lions conversation too. Granted they went to the NFC 364 00:33:57.119 --> 00:34:02.640 Championship, but I'm using as part of that. But play why can the 365 00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:07.799 Celtics make the playoffs every single year since twenty fifteen? They had a bump 366 00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:14.280 in fourteen, They had made the playoffs seven previous years to that. You 367 00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:16.239 know why? I know they haven't won on one NBA finals since two thousand 368 00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:21.960 and eight. Anything as possible. Kevin Garnett, crap, It's a pretty 369 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:34.480 regular occurrence for that franchise. The expectations do not change. Why should the 370 00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:43.920 expectations change in Detroit for any of their teams? Circumstances can be different. 371 00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:50.760 Absolutely, stan Van Gundy screwed things up absolutely. Troy Weaver wasn't any better. 372 00:34:50.920 --> 00:34:55.199 Absolutely, end of his tenure. Ken Howland struggled absolutely, although he's 373 00:34:55.239 --> 00:35:00.440 got his team in the Stanley Cup finals. I get all that, I 374 00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:08.480 really do. I understand that Alavila made some horrible trades. Where does the 375 00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:22.440 expectation start? Ownership, front office, fans, all the above. We've 376 00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:30.000 settled. Can we just be honest here? We have settled. There's too 377 00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:34.079 many times, and I can be just as guilty, all right, So 378 00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:37.239 I'm not gonna sit here and throw any talk show host or any commentator, 379 00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:43.000 or any anchor or any pregame hosts. I'm not gonna throw anybody under the 380 00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:49.679 bus because I've been as guilty as anybody. We have settled for complete mediocrity. 381 00:35:50.679 --> 00:35:54.760 I got in truck. I said this a couple of years ago when 382 00:35:54.320 --> 00:36:00.760 the Tigers season ended, and my partner said, We've got to be patient, 383 00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:05.559 and I said, I am tired of that. Haven't won a championship 384 00:36:05.559 --> 00:36:09.000 since nineteen eighty four, Folks, they're going to celebrate forty flipping years of 385 00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:16.360 that, and we're going to sit here and constantly tell it, try to 386 00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:22.039 tell fans about how great this player may be when he's not he's average at 387 00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:30.599 best, or how we have to be patient again because you've got to let 388 00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:38.280 young guys develop. It's such I'm so tired of it. I'm so tired 389 00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:43.800 of talking about an NBA finals where you got the Boston Celtics in it. 390 00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:49.519 Again. They were just in the finals three years ago, you know that, 391 00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:57.280 right, or two years ago? I'm sorry, conference finals. Won 392 00:36:57.320 --> 00:37:01.079 the conference finals this year, lost in the conference finals last year, lost 393 00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:06.239 in the finals the year before. They were in the conference finals four years 394 00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:13.000 ago. Meanwhile, the Pistons aren't doing Diddley squad and we're saying, well, 395 00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:15.599 we just got to be patient. Now Trajan Lanning times comes in, 396 00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:19.519 Oh, we got to be patient with that now too. We're resetting the 397 00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:30.719 clock on a regular basis. Why do we do that? Is it reality? 398 00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:34.440 I'm not claiming to know what we can do about it. I'm not 399 00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:36.960 telling you not to go to games. That's one of my favorite things. 400 00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:38.320 You know, you got hostschool out there and go You know what, you 401 00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:40.639 guys are idiots? What are you going to games for? Hey, screw 402 00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:44.280 you. People want to go see a baseball game, Let me go see 403 00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:47.159 a baseball game. You want to go see a basketball game, go ahead. 404 00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:51.639 You can go to a game. You could support your team and still 405 00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:59.039 be upset at how that team goes about its business. You're only going to 406 00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:02.199 go to a game when your team is winning, when you feel like it's 407 00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:09.079 doing the right thing. Now, I wouldn't buy season tickets if they're constantly 408 00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:15.000 spitting in your face. But who says you can't go to a game. 409 00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:16.960 Who says you shouldn't go to a game. Who says you shouldn't root for 410 00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:22.079 that team even though that team is less than subpar, not doing what they're 411 00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:30.599 supposed to be doing. But the bar do you guys remember when Martin Morningway 412 00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:32.280 came in and was the head coach of the Alliance. Man, what a 413 00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:37.440 disaster, Oh god, what a disaster. One of the things what he 414 00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:40.519 say the bar is high used to make fun of him for saying that. 415 00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:46.320 But I understood his point. He said the bar is high now it ended 416 00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:51.239 up being very very low for him. Didn't know what the hell he was 417 00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:57.119 doing. Another example of an alliance coach failed, never went on to be 418 00:38:57.159 --> 00:39:02.039 another head coach coordinator. Yes, coach, Oh, Dick, J're on 419 00:39:02.119 --> 00:39:06.679 the last one, I believe right. Yes. So when you sit there 420 00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:10.840 and you look at this and you listen to his words, you're laughing at 421 00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:14.119 it. We laughed at him, We made fun of him. I was 422 00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:16.480 part of it. We all made fun of him. Guess what, he 423 00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:22.159 was right, The bar has to be high now. He couldn't reach it 424 00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:25.559 because he wasn't good enough. His front office wasn't good enough, his players 425 00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:30.440 weren't good enough. He couldn't overcome it. I don't think he was a 426 00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:37.719 very good coach at all. However, the message was the right message. 427 00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:43.320 Dan Campbell's message doesn't have the cliche, but the Dan Campbell message is dead 428 00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:47.400 on. Think super Bowl, expect it. Now? What are you going 429 00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:53.239 to do to go about and get it? We need more of that and 430 00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:58.559 if you fall short, then so be it. You can't take people's ridicule 431 00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:00.400 at the end of a season because they're going you thought you were going to 432 00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:05.079 get to the super Bowl. You didn't even win the division. That has 433 00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:08.000 to be the mindset. Don't tell me there's an athlete or a coach, 434 00:40:08.199 --> 00:40:12.480 a manager, or a GM who goes into season says, well, we're 435 00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:17.320 going to suck this year. That reality may slap you in the face at 436 00:40:17.320 --> 00:40:22.199 some point, but you can't have that mindset going in, at least I 437 00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:32.280 hope you wouldn't. If your expectations for the Tigers for thirty one and thirty 438 00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:37.440 one after sixty two games, shame on you if you're part of the organization, 439 00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:40.000 is what I'm saying. I said at the beginning of the year, 440 00:40:40.239 --> 00:40:45.719 this team should be good. Note the word should. This team should should 441 00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:52.519 be good, and this team should win the division. That's the expectation I 442 00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:55.960 said last year, or before the red Wing season was over, this team 443 00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:00.559 should make the playoffs. They didn't. I think I think they failed. 444 00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:06.599 I think it's a failure. I can be realistic, too, I'm very 445 00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:13.599 realistic. If you're down in Miami the Marlins, the expectations are not there, 446 00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:19.199 but damn we sit there and we act like patience is fine. We'll 447 00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:22.559 complain about it a lot, but then We'll get out here and as a 448 00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:24.880 host with a microphone, we'll sit there and try to convince you, well, 449 00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:29.960 you got to be patient, oh bull roar, get after it. 450 00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:37.039 Raise the expectation level of your organization. Understand what it takes to win. 451 00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:43.039 Understand that things can happen, like injuries, for example, guys having off 452 00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:46.679 seasons. I get all that, But the expectations have to change. Man. 453 00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:52.719 You've got to raise the bar for this state and for this team. 454 00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:57.280 This is not a John Jonathan Smith type situation where he comes in brand new 455 00:41:57.320 --> 00:41:59.800 to Michigan State and you think they're going to win the Big Ten. That's 456 00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:05.320 not that's not realistic. 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