Wal check and check. It's the two seventeen Recovery Podcast with Corey Winfield,
who knows as soon as he gives a tour, he's gonna give her his
heart to her too, and we'll have kids and getting married. That's too
far. It is the second of May twenty twenty three, and my name
is Cory Winfield and this is the two seventeen Recovery podcast. Welcome again this
Tuesday from the North Studio, and that means Marnie and Martie Ken do a
podcast from the North Studio. It's just we do have other options. And
my last employee that was here was Justin Burke, so Justin welcome to the
podcast. Well, thanks for having me. Yeah, thanks for working late.
Yeah. Plays so it kind of happens, man, the last one
here kind of gets gets stuck doing it. But it's not that bad.
No, you're officially an employee of two seventeen Recover. How's that going for
you? Amazing ups and downs, you know, depending on what mood I'm
in. I guess not so far. Yeah, I'm on the road.
Yeah, and you've been killing it man lately. Like one of the things
that we do is we take people to and from treatment and back in the
day as looking for some help, and you're one of the people I trusted
and was like, hey, justin, can you get this person from point
A to point B? And you're like yeah, and you did and you
came back and you're like, wow, that was that was amazing. I
want to do this full time. I want to do this all the time.
And I remember that. Yeah, and now you're doing that. Is
it everything you thought it would be? Yeah, it really is. I
get to meet a lot of interesting, cool people and just be out on
the road getting paid for it, you know. It's nice. Yeah,
Yeah, I didn't mind taking people to or from treatment, it's just when
I'm doing that and then I'm supposed to write grants, I'm supposed to be
in meetings and like all the other stuff that came with it, it was
just really really hard to do. Um. But now you know, we
can have somebody to do it like full time, like that's what you do.
And then when you're not driving, which has only been a few days
so far, but yeah, you got recoveries, your recovery coach, you
know, stuff like that, and it keeps keeps you pretty busy. Yeah.
A lot busier than what I was doing. Yeah, and and that
that probably did drive you nuts. And I look at that like that job
would suck. I was thing about that the other day when I saw a
posting for another job in the area. WHOA, who is it? Who's
calling you? Wifee? No? Is it Bill Collector? No? I
think it's one of my recoveries that mother ever, I should see you next
time. I'll have you put your phone to the bluetooth so we hook up
to the board and we'll just answer it live like hey man. Nah.
But what we were saying was that the recoveries, the rides, it gives
your purpose, makes you feel good as opposed to other jobs. And I'm
not saying, you know that they're bad, but maybe they're a little bit
more, a little bit more space in between actually doing some stuff, you
know, And I think that that's where this job we'll give you that purpose.
And you've been killing it, bro like a tall checking out my recovery
is and I don't have someone in the car. And it's just been nice.
Yeah, and especially now that the weather is getting nicer, you know
in Michigan, it's beautiful or wait till the fall, like you're just gonna
love it. And you're like, do I have to take anybody Toilipino today?
It's just a beautiful ride, man. And I used to think,
look, but I wasn't getting paid anything. But I used to think,
Man, this is like awesome, Like this is an awesome gig. I
ride with somebody in the car with me when we talked recovery for a few
hours. Then I drop them off and then I continue my trip by myself,
listening to music, listening to whatever, and looking at the beautiful scenery.
Yeah, it's definitely very serene. Yeah, it's it's something, man,
And not all the time? Will you be on the highway. I
mean, it seems like lately though, we've been having a lot of trips
that are longer, and it seems like we are on the freeway quite a
bit, or at least you are. But it's not always like that,
you know. Um Yeah, but it's it's cool and I'm glad that you're
digging it because I was worried. I was like, man, I don't
know. I mean, he said he'd love to do this every day,
but every day, I don't know. We'll see. Yeah, so far,
so great. You know, and you drive a vehicle that's that's pretty
nice and it's pretty comfortable to drive. We got new tires on it,
I mean Bill Marsh and Breaking Alignment Plus. You know, they hook us
up with you know, fixing us up if we need fixing, and they
donate oil chaines to us, which we need quite a bit. Yeah,
like once every two weeks. Yeah, it's insane, the miles that we
put on these things. And you know it's it's people like Breaking Alignment Plus
and like Bill Marsh that that support us and we appreciate it so so much.
And that's why we always tell people if you're in the Traverse City area
you need an oil change, you know, take the extra five minutes,
schedule an oil change. Don't go to just one of those places you just
drive in, drive out. Yeah, sure that's convenient. But support the
people who support people in recovery and the recovery community. You know, That's
how I look at it, and we're thinking, we're utment. Just we
phrase this, we're in the early stages of planning like a recovery dinner,
like a recovery community dinner, and we're just gonna feed everybody that wants to
come out and we're gonna tell the recovery community, Hey, come on out.
You know, you're earned a free meal. And if other people want
to show up, that's cool too, you know, come check out what
we're about. You know, we're all about that community life and evolving as
many people as we can. And I reached out to Nestle and their water
company and I was like, hey, you know, we got this event
going on and we'd really love your support and to show your support for the
recovery community. We think that'd be awesome. You guys have a plant here
in Michigan and we'll get to that in just a minute. And they wrote
me back and said, mister Winfield, we don't care about the recovery community.
You guys can go to hell. That's pretty much what they said.
And they even did it with well you looked at me like they really said
that. It was pretty damn close though. It said we're not interested,
and it said on behalf of Hot Pockets, like they're a little stupid email
they sent me they had the wrong company name in there. So then I
wrote them back and I said, well, I'm confused by Hot Pockets because
we never reached out to Hot Pockets to ask them for some waters that we
could distribute. But I will go ahead and let the recovery community know that
Nestle does not care about them, and I think you should try a smiling
And then they wrote back and said, oh, didn't mean Hot Pockets met
Nestley. Thanks for letting everybody know, and I said, okay, you're
welcome. So yeah, if you ever stopped to get a water and it's
between a fountain and Nestley, just go to the fountain, get your little
a little quicksip, and be on your way, or you know, choose
a different brand. I don't know what brands are associated with Nestle. I
don't know if that's a code product or not. I don't think so,
Deshanti or whatever it is that is. But yeah, and Nestle. Here's
the funny thing about this, you'll really love. They get their water from
Lake Michigan. I don't you know e. And the real funny thing about
it is you think, wow, say to Michigan, must be making a
killing off of that. N that's the problem. See what Nestle did was
they spent five hundred dollars and got a license and like I don't know if
it was whitm or whoever it was a governor at the time, or they
allowed this to say, yeah, that's cool, just get this license.
It's five hundred bucks. You get the license and that's all you need.
That horrible. So they get all the water for free, well except for
the five hundred dollars I had to pay for their little license. Ain't that's
something and that really you can't give us. Okay, that's cool bottles of
water for that. Yeah, that's we're nonprofit. So it sound like it's
going to cost him anything. It's tax right off. Who knows, man,
tax ris are overrated. Unless you want to donate to us, then
feel free. It's tax right off. Donate at two seventeen recovery dot com.
Thank you. But yeah, I was. I was kind of like
a little bitter about that one. I don't know if you could tell it
sounds like it. Yeah, that's a little bit. It's a little bit.
You know. When I used to work doing volunteer fire fighter stuff,
Ice Mountain used to give away water to the local fighter departments around as Ola
County, so fed over into Lake County, which is where I was from,
and we used to go get all kinds of water for free from them,
straight from the plant, So it might be something worth checking out because
at least they support nonprofits, yeah, or at least you know. And
I don't know how local that person was. I had messaged, but I
did pull it up and found their location down state here in Michigan, and
that's when I clicked on and all that good jazz. But who knows,
man, You know, there's other places, you know, I know Sam's
Club, they're big fans of ours. So Walmart they're huge fans of ours
and the recovery community. So I'm sure I could go to them and say,
hey, can we get a few cases of water? And I think
they would say just take them mess I don't think it would be that big
a deal, but I just wanted to include, you know, other people
in it. You know, it's wild we haven't really reached out to before.
And yeah, oh well one door shut, ten open. Yeah,
but I just they wanted me to. They thanked me for letting the recovery
community know Nestlie did that. They they don't really care about people recovery.
That's that's awful. So don't buy hot pockets either apparently the same company,
the same generic email they send out to everybody, except they just changed the
recovery community and they did not change the name of the company. That tells
me anything that's horrible really is. Yeah, you know, it is what
it is. But like you said, one door closes, ten more open.
That's right. Might be someone listening right now. It's like, man,
we would love to give you guys some water for your event. Okay,
we'd love to take it. You know, we love to show the
support pack, you know, just kind of like I did Bill marsh and
breaking linement plus right, that's what we do. So you just bought another
vehicle from him too, didn't you. You were leasing it, yeah,
leasing buying. Yeah. And they you know, they don't really hook people
up on new vehicles. I mean, there's only so much they can do.
But you know, they got us into the one we wanted and you
know, made it easy for us, so I can't complain getting the license
plate on Thursday. It looks like we only bought the vehicle in February twenty
eight. It's not that long ago. But we do have a nonprofit plate
and it just takes a little longer. Special paperwork. Yeah, those nonprofit
plates, man, are pretty awesome. Yeah, they are because you just
be like nothing and you get it for five years pretty much. Nice.
It's kind of like getting water for free out of Lake Michigan. I see
you recently were married. Yes, I know you. You were on the
podcast before you were married, and you were talking about it. I think
April was even on the podcast before. Yeah. Because yeah, I'm not
going to mention the gum chewing. She's probably gonna listen to roll her eyes.
But that's fine. Things going well, Yeah, things are going great.
What's and you've been married before. I don't want to really bring that
up too much. But how is this different? Just the fact that how
we support each other every day no matter how dark our day can be.
Because not every day in recoveries rainbows and unicorns, you know, so sometimes
we do have tough days and we're there to support each other and care for
one another, you know, and make each other laugh no matter what what's
going on. So, I mean, it's great. I love it.
It's good, you know, being married. I've only been married once,
this is my second time. You're younger. I'm not sure that has anything
to do with it. But you well, I know people they get married
when they're like twenty eighteen, nineteen twenty, you know, and they think,
oh, this person and man, to think that I am a completely
different person than I was when I was then, you know, So to
go through marriage like that, that would be tough. And there are people
out there that, yeah, I'm not saying they don't love their wife or
love their husband, but man, they go through some changes together. Like
that's that's a real test. I mean, you're twenties, you're pretty wild,
you know, at least I was, Yeah, And to think how
much you're going to change between twenty and twenty five and twenty five and thirty
and then thirty to thirty five and thirty five to four, I mean,
we're constantly kind of changing. You know. Martie and I we found each
other were a bit older, and we've already went through life realizing that nobody
will ever marry us drunk, nobody, nobody's gonna stick around for that.
So you know, if we wanted to get married and had that life,
we needed to change some things, and we did. And I don't know,
it's just something about being older, like I can see, like it's
I'm not settling and I'm gonna go after what I want. I want someone
who's gonna love me as much as I love them. You know the big
things about the marriage that when you're younger, you're just like, is she
hot? Yeah? Hell yeah, man, it ain't good? Yeah?
What do you mean by that? Justin Oh, you know what I mean?
Is she anty good? Like it's a good person. Is Jesus gonna
accept her into heaven kind of thing? Okay, because I thought you're talking
about something else maybe too, but nope. Yeah. When you're young,
like, that's that's all the stuff that matters, all the stupid stuff that
actually really doesn't matter. And when you get older you can look at it.
It's like, look, you know, I think the person's attractive,
she loves me, I love her. I can hang out with this person.
And when I'm home, maybe alone, watching TV or doing laundry,
whatever it is, I'm not dreading the minute she gets back. And when
she does get back, I'm like, hey, wife, he's home.
You know. I've had relationships in the past, you know where a women
have actually lived with me and it was just like, can you leave because
I need to just do something I would just take off and just like I'm
out of here, man, because I need to just be away from you.
And is that a sign of immaturity, of me just settling. I
don't know. I don't know either. I mean, I've been in relationships
like that before. You know, I'd rather be out fishing than be at
home. And it's a sad reality because now I'm happy to be at home
waiting for my wife to come home from work. We're vice versa, you
know, we're happy to see each other every day with smiles on her faces
whatever. Before, you know, I could remember showing back up tanked.
We're high as a kite and just not caring. You know. That's really
messed up, come to think of it, you know, yeah, And
it's not fair to them. It's not fair to you. Like it's just
like you were settling, right, you know, like, oh, this
is what I'm supposed to do, and okay, but I don't want to
do it. I'm gonna go fishing and I'm gonna get drunk. I'm gonna
do what i want to do. I'm gonna get high. I'm justin I'm
gonna do what i want to do. That's it. You know, and
she's my wife. Whatever. I'm a man, I do my stuff right.
I'm out for me, you know, and me only. And now
you know, I realize it's that's not the best way to be in life.
Like I said, you know, I enjoyed my wife a lot.
We enjoyed doing things together, which is abnormal. Like last fall, we
took a vacation down North Carolina and back, you know, and they have
one argument the whole time we were gone. It was on the road for
four or five days together, you know, And that's a big accomplishment to
go on a road trip and be stuck in a car with someone. Well,
how much duck tape did your brain? No killing it today? Now
the reality of that is is I think you're you're more mature. You weren't
settling. You know. You found a woman that the ying to your yang,
you know, or the yang to your ying, whatever that goes.
You know, she completes you. And it's kind of opposite but kind of
the same. It's a beautiful thing. Man. And I've for example,
I have a drone. I have not flown it yet, and this weekend
I wasn't feeling that well. Man, I was trying to like avoid having
COVID because I really don't want it again. I'm good on that, thanks,
and but I just wasn't feeling well and I still kind of don't feel
well. But this weekend I was like, man, there's a break in
the snow slash rain we have still in Michigan, and I was like,
I'm gonna take it out and go. I'm gonna go fly my drone.
But Marne was home when we were kind of spending time together a little bit,
and I looked over and I was like, thinking, she's not asked
her she wants to go with me to fly this drone. And I do
this a lot now. It really saves me some some embarrassment and asking stupid
questions. I said, no, Martie does not want to go fly an
effing drone and just it's like with the wind chill, it was like thirty
two out and I was like, she doesn't like being cold, Like what's
she gonna do to stand there and watch me not know how to fly this
drone? Why do you lose it? Yeah? And I was like,
Nah, I'm not even gonna ask her. I'm just gonna sit here and
enjoy my time. With her, and I don't need to fly that drone
today. Now, the old me o sum so, so, yeah,
I'm gonna go fly my drone at the part. Yeah, I might have
asked her and then be like, well, I asked you if you wanted
colm, right, Look, look, I invited you to come with you.
Old though you'd want to spend time with me, and I would flip
it and try to turn it into a hole. I'm the one getting wrong
in the thing, you know, because she didn't want to go fly drones
with me, right, I told you I was doing. You didn't want
to come, so because you didn't say anything, Yeah, you sat here
all pissed off. You could have came, you know that. That would
have been the old me, you know. But the new me just kind
of looks over and goes, no, no, no, she doesn't want
to fly a drone. And you know what, I haven't seen my wife
all week pretty much, so I'm gonna stay here with her. And even
if we just sit here and chill, we'll just watch TV whatever, man
like, just to be in her presence. And yeah, me and my
wife played board games a lot, break the monotony of watching TV. Yeah,
they make those for couples now, and I'm already wanted to get one.
It was like it was like life or a monopoly or it's something.
It was like a smaller version of it, but it was like made for
just made for two people. It sounds like fun. Yeah, I think
they had those Walgreens at one point, but I'm sure you can get them
out on Amazon or wherever. I like playing Battleship rummy. Yeah, there's
tons of things you can do, you know. But just think about that
next time though, when you're with her and you want to go do something
you want to do and just you'll you'll probably kind of come to the same
conclusion I did, of no, she doesn't want to do that. And
there are times where she'll be working and you'll have that opportunity, you know,
or she'll go do her hair or nails or whatever. You know,
Like like there's plenty of times where Marney will go do things that she wants
to do, which is which is great. You know that I'll have that
time to go do what I want to do, right and you know,
just do it then, you know, That's how I kind of look at
it. Says a lot of headache it does. I actually went pant shopping
with my wife last night because she gets new pants for work, and she
asked me if I wanted to go and hang out with her, and I
was like sure. She goes You're sure, you don't mind, Like we're
gonna go shopping for clothes. I'm like, no, it's time with you.
I value that. That's a tough one. Yeah, it can be,
yeah, yeah, but not really. Yeah. I don't know.
I just don't like people and like being out like tons of people. So
depending on where you go, I guess we're depending what time you went.
It was like Burlington at seven thirty at night, probably not too bad.
But in Traverse City things get crazy here with all the tourists and they're they're
hitting now and the traffic lights you wait at it's one to the other,
all cars. It sucks. And I hit that the other day too,
and I was like, man, this is just not fun. So that's
season's coming, unfortunately, but it'll be over soon and last for three four
months. You see football, we'll be back and we'll have that now.
Your wife was in the league last year, but she didn't really play.
You think she's gonna play this year for real or what I think. So
she wants to she's grasping it better and better, like she didn't really know
nothing about football like last year, so I had a kind of culture through
it. I mean, which I should be pretty good. I mean,
I've won twice in a row. So I think we'll do a draft party
this year. Everybody will be there. Sure don't have to draft her own
team. I don't know. We'll see, but yeah, they just did
the NFL draft, so a lot of people around here are Lions fans,
and we'll see. You know, the lines will get to us, slash
sugar, give us tickets, and I think I'll ask again for something.
I don't know if they'll just keep picking us over and over, because I
think a lot of nonprofits ask them for stuff you never know, you do,
never know better hit them up early. Yeah I look at see when
I hit him up last year. But yeah, I can't wait. Football,
it'll be here soon, stupid summer will be over. What do you
hate most about summer? The heat? That is second only to bugs for
me, Because if you've noticed, like a couple weeks ago and I got
warm, like all these little black bugs are coming out and they like get
up in your nose and your eyeball. And that's not a fan of bugs,
So bring back the cold, that's what I say. Yeah, anyway,
I don't really care for the bugs. Flies. Yeah, they're nasty,
man Like, how do they like? That's how you know the devil
made him? It's because nothing else can survive in this but won't. Here
here comes some bugs. Like I don't really care for spiders, but come
summertime, it's like, I won't kill a spider because they kill every flying
insect. Yeah, Jesus made the spiders. Yea, so it's really nice.
Yeah, damn devil bugs. They'll bite you too, man, Yeah
you never have won't bite you New York crotch, No never never. Didn't
you ever go swimming? Yeah, h I haven't either, saying it makes
things awkward though I heard he could. Oh that's enough of an awkward podcast.
I think we're done for the night, and we have to go talk
at the streatment center. Anything we're gonna talk about tonight with them, goals,
talk about goals, a little bit of my story because I haven't seen
them in a while. A whole new crew now right, Yeah, and
then I gotta do a better job too. And this is something that's on
like my personal list, I think, you know, because you go one
week and then then Mitchell goes a week and then Adam goes a week.
And the reason why I want you guys to come with me to do this
is a it feels good to give back and when you leave you feel good.
And to show the guys that are intreatment you know that yeah, you
can't make it out, but I want to you guys to become like better
speakers, you know, because I think like at some point you're all going
to have a chance to go up and you know, do a talk one
day, you know, And I want you guys to feel comfortable and I
want you guys to kill it, you know. And I think with you
and you've been doing it the most with me, you know, going there.
But I don't think I've ever sat down and been like, hey,
justin let's go over last night, you know, like let's go over this,
let's go over that. You know. I just kind of let you
feel how you feel, and then I'm like, okay, you know,
but I'm gonna do a better job of that and just kind of help you
guys, you know, just showing up. You know, you can learn,
I guess a little bit from watch other people to do some stuff,
but until you actually start doing it yourself, you don't really learn. And
I'd say the best advice I could give anybody about speaking in public is the
audience doesn't know you messed up. No, you know, just keep going.
We all stumble, we all fumble, you know, all through our
words sometimes, but you just just keep going. Man. And I used
to think I had to have everything planned out to a t, and that
all that did was make me even more nervous. You know, if I
go up there, which is kind of a general idea of what I'm gonna
do, like if I'm speaking at the event or something, I just general
because if I try to plan it word for word and this and that,
I'm gonna I'm gonna flub it at one point and then I'm just gonna go
down with the ship. Yeah. And if you just have a general idea
of things and makes a lot easier. And then, like me, I
just like to go off on different topics all the time, so it's really
hard for me to plan it out anyway. Well, you've had a lot
more interesting recovery life. I call it, yeah, before I actually long
term recovery. You know, like you you went around and you stayed at
a bunch of different places. Me, I went to one treatment center,
you know. Yeah, I mean I didn't really know about rehab. I
mean, I just knew rehab was for quitters, and I never wanted to
quit because I never thought I had a problem. Yeah, I heard that
many times, but it's really not, you know, it's it's designed to
help yourself and get better and be a better person. Yeah, and I
want to shout out to you Guiding Light and Grand Rapids. That's a program
that I went through and they had and I'm gonna assume they still have a
program call it's back to work program where they have people that are houseless.
I think it was what they called themselves now or shelters unless I don't anyway,
they're on hard times and they need a little help. Well got any
light at that time? And again, I'm just gonna talk about then because
that's what I knew. I know what was going on then, as opposed
to like, are they still doing it right now? I'm not sure I
would assume they are, though, but people could come in there and you
could live for ninety days and they would hook you up, you know,
find get your job, and they would keep like x amount. Back then,
I think it was like thirty percent of your check that they would hold.
They wouldn't keep it, they would hold it and then after ninety days
they give it back to you. Here you go and they would even you
know, just with finding you a place to live, an apartment, you
know, and all this other stuff. And you have the money to do
it, and you just had to be sober, and you had to you
know, keep your area clean and you know, but just kind of be
clean, you know. And they also had a program in the back,
which is a treatment center. It was like nine months at the time,
I think, I think it could have went longer. But then they opened
so we're living homes too. There were like apartments, I want to say
they were called the Steel Horse. I could be totally screwing that up too,
but at that time I was in defense mode of everybody was just trying
to use me to get money from somebody. But God in Light is not
funded by the state. They're funded by donations. So there's a lot of
stuff that I'm not saying that the state's doing things totally wrong, but there's
a lot of things that could probably change, would be just fine. But
you know, God in led they don't have to do those things, you
know, and they do run a really good program. But I said,
at the time, I thought everybody was just trying to take advantage of me
and get money from me and route And that all came from the first time
when I went to treatment in California, when the lady told me that I
needed to be on some kind of medications so that way they could build the
insurance for double and I was like what, like what yeah? Yeah?
And so from then on until kind of the end, I really thought everybody
was out for money, and until Riverwood and Ben Harbors sent me to treatment,
and I thought they were going to make me do their outpatient again for
the third time. And that's what I was like, Wait, what You're
gonna make me go away to treatment for long term? What do you mean
long term? Year to a night? Whoa ninety days to a year?
About we started ninety days? You know, like what are you doing?
But that's when I realized, no, maybe they're not all about the money.
You know, like I thought, but when that was my first go
at it there in California, and then I get told that, and I'm
just like burnt. That's kind of a bad attitude to take with you fourteen
more places. But what do you do, you know, I mean,
one bad place gives you a bad taste in your mouth, and you know,
you reach out to all these other places trying to get help, and
you're just like, oh, well, they're just in it for the money.
Yeah, but god, even like they weren't and I want to say
it's iron horse now, but they were like the apartment complex and you were
supposed to kind of graduate through the program, and you and I would both
agree that long term and treatment place is better. You know, we don't
want to do that, and we'll make a million excuses why we can't.
I can't go there for nine months. Oh don't worry, you'll burn your
life down where you won't have nothing else to do for nine months. So
go there, you know, go to a program that's really long like that,
and take your time with it. You know, get to know yourself,
especially if you're just going in for the first time. You know,
like you're going to have to find yourself again. You don't really even know
who you are. All the drugs that you've been using over the years and
drinking and all that. Yeah, and it's not really you and you have
to take your time with it. So going to a program like this and
then going to their Iron Horse apartment complex and it was just you and another
guy, so it wasn't crazy sober living, you know. And yeah,
you had to pay your rent and stuff, but you and the other guy
were supposed to kind of hold each other accountable and they were under the I
don't want to say thinking, they were under the rules, I guess,
and thinking are that And you'll agree with this too. If someone's in the
house drinking, are using, you're not doing them any favors by not telling,
right, you know. And there's so many people and there's this whole
jail prison gangster mentality of old snitches. Man, it's not even snitching because
first of all, they're messing with your sobriety, right, and that is
very disrespectful and that right, you're trying to save their life. Yeah,
well you got me kicked out. Well, guess what, if you're not
an a hole, they'll probably let you go. Through the program again,
you know, or send you to a different program and let you come back,
you know, because something's not right, you know, if you're still
trying to use or drink or something and you're supposed to be in sober living.
I mean, and you've had that much clean time, like like,
what are you doing? Man? And some something's still wrong in there and
either you don't have a good therapist or some something's going on, or you're
just not getting to the root of your problems your trauma, you know,
or you're not being honest. You got tricked by your brain again, you
know, telling you that, oh you can just do it this one weekend.
You know, Scott's not gonna tell on you. That's fine, right,
you know Scott. You can probably get Scott joined too, you know,
which is really taking other people down with you. But yeah, I
got me light man. It was a pretty good program and Grand Rapids,
and I really want to connect back with those guys again. I know,
Brian and Steve we're ahead of the program back when I went through there and
twenty seventeen, but I was there a month and I spent the first two
weeks up front. That's what they call up front with you know, the
homeless back to work program, and then they left me in the back and
I was there for like two weeks with them. My back gave out and
I started because I have said of nerve damage, pinch whatever, and that
started shooting down my leg and I was like nope. I was like,
I'm not doing it here, no more guys see and they're like you're a
mama's boy, and I was like, yep, you caught me. You
win, but I'm out of here, and yeah, i'd recommend that program.
In fact, oh man, I just remembered I was supposed to write
a letter of recommendation because I was a lady that I met at the before
and after incarceration dinner here in Traverse City, the Tyrone took me to and
there was a woman in there. She's like, hey, you ever heard
a guiding light And I was like yeah, and I started telling her about
it. It's like, I need you to write a letter of recommendation because
my nephew is gonna go there and you know, and I was like,
hey, yeah, i'll do that. I'll be really good for him.
Weeks ago. Yeah, it's not for this busy Yeah, sorry, but
I went and checked out the Silver Living House, a new one in nor
Is there, Michigan and gaylord called Billy James. Yeah, it's Grayson's place,
right, Yeah, it's actually really it's a really nice house. I
just want to say houses like eight females, six or eight nice. So,
I mean it was a nice little spot. It's right like right downtown,
so it was easy to find work and build commute. The Allano Club
was only like a couple of miles away, so if they wanted to,
they could actually walk to meetings like what we did at Nathan's house, you
know. I mean it was only like a mile or two to the meeting
spot to those Sometimes. I didn't have a car when I first got there,
you know, like most of us don't. Some of us we're lucky
and still had a vehicle. Yeah, I did, a County bullet.
Didn't have a car lost it, did m pound, you know, and
just went on about the day from there. Yeah, but not far,
no, not too far. And you would have walked away further to get
your drugs. Heck, yeah, I would have, you know. So
that's that's kind of a good thing. And I'm sure you've found guys to
walk with and yeah, you know, and Tyrone gave you his bike.
Yep, I did his bike that came in handy, I'm sure. Yeah.
Then track got a car. I passed it down to someone else nice
where If that bike's still going today, probably it's probably still at Nathan's house
too. Well that's cool. Well, but you got the tour in the
house. Yeah, it was nice. It's kind of some girls slept on
one side of the house, some slept on the other side of the house.
But the kitchen was kind of like the dividing point. But it was
still really nice. They had plenty enough bathrooms in there. It's full basement
downstairs. I guess I didn't get to see the basement. Grayson was in
a zoom meeting so but they got a big, spacious backyard. They have
a little fire pit out back. They do talking circles every Friday night there.
So they chair meetings right at the recovery home, which was I thought
it was really nice. Yeah, open to the public. I want to
say that would be weird, but maybe. Yeah. Well, thanks for
joining me on the podcast today. Thanks for having me, no problem.
Let's have you back again some time. Yeah, or maybe we'll have your
wife on again in between our busy work schedule. Yeah, maybe one day,
one day, we'll she'll be on when we go to Lansing. So
yeah, yeah, we'll talk more about that in the next couple episodes.
Can't wait, it'd be a good time. Thanks again, justin appreciate come
by man. Thanks thanks for listening to the two seventeen Recovery podcast. We
hope you come back for our next episode.