WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:08.039 Wal check and check. It's the two seventeen Recovery Podcast with Corey Winfield, 2 00:00:08.160 --> 00:00:11.160 who knows as soon as he gives a tour, he's gonna give her his 3 00:00:11.279 --> 00:00:16.640 heart to her too, and we'll have kids and getting married. That's too 4 00:00:16.679 --> 00:00:22.879 far. It is the second of May twenty twenty three, and my name 5 00:00:22.920 --> 00:00:29.760 is Cory Winfield and this is the two seventeen Recovery podcast. Welcome again this 6 00:00:29.960 --> 00:00:36.520 Tuesday from the North Studio, and that means Marnie and Martie Ken do a 7 00:00:36.520 --> 00:00:39.359 podcast from the North Studio. It's just we do have other options. And 8 00:00:40.439 --> 00:00:46.600 my last employee that was here was Justin Burke, so Justin welcome to the 9 00:00:46.679 --> 00:00:50.399 podcast. Well, thanks for having me. Yeah, thanks for working late. 10 00:00:50.679 --> 00:00:54.119 Yeah. Plays so it kind of happens, man, the last one 11 00:00:54.159 --> 00:00:56.840 here kind of gets gets stuck doing it. But it's not that bad. 12 00:00:57.159 --> 00:01:00.799 No, you're officially an employee of two seventeen Recover. How's that going for 13 00:01:00.840 --> 00:01:04.439 you? Amazing ups and downs, you know, depending on what mood I'm 14 00:01:04.480 --> 00:01:08.439 in. I guess not so far. Yeah, I'm on the road. 15 00:01:08.799 --> 00:01:12.439 Yeah, and you've been killing it man lately. Like one of the things 16 00:01:12.439 --> 00:01:15.959 that we do is we take people to and from treatment and back in the 17 00:01:17.079 --> 00:01:22.200 day as looking for some help, and you're one of the people I trusted 18 00:01:22.239 --> 00:01:23.680 and was like, hey, justin, can you get this person from point 19 00:01:23.680 --> 00:01:26.879 A to point B? And you're like yeah, and you did and you 20 00:01:26.959 --> 00:01:30.040 came back and you're like, wow, that was that was amazing. I 21 00:01:30.079 --> 00:01:33.000 want to do this full time. I want to do this all the time. 22 00:01:34.120 --> 00:01:36.480 And I remember that. Yeah, and now you're doing that. Is 23 00:01:36.519 --> 00:01:38.079 it everything you thought it would be? Yeah, it really is. I 24 00:01:38.120 --> 00:01:42.519 get to meet a lot of interesting, cool people and just be out on 25 00:01:42.560 --> 00:01:47.319 the road getting paid for it, you know. It's nice. Yeah, 26 00:01:47.879 --> 00:01:51.560 Yeah, I didn't mind taking people to or from treatment, it's just when 27 00:01:51.599 --> 00:01:53.760 I'm doing that and then I'm supposed to write grants, I'm supposed to be 28 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:57.319 in meetings and like all the other stuff that came with it, it was 29 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:01.719 just really really hard to do. Um. But now you know, we 30 00:02:01.719 --> 00:02:05.640 can have somebody to do it like full time, like that's what you do. 31 00:02:06.400 --> 00:02:08.360 And then when you're not driving, which has only been a few days 32 00:02:08.360 --> 00:02:13.879 so far, but yeah, you got recoveries, your recovery coach, you 33 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:17.560 know, stuff like that, and it keeps keeps you pretty busy. Yeah. 34 00:02:17.879 --> 00:02:22.520 A lot busier than what I was doing. Yeah, and and that 35 00:02:22.520 --> 00:02:24.599 that probably did drive you nuts. And I look at that like that job 36 00:02:24.599 --> 00:02:28.759 would suck. I was thing about that the other day when I saw a 37 00:02:28.759 --> 00:02:31.520 posting for another job in the area. WHOA, who is it? Who's 38 00:02:31.560 --> 00:02:38.919 calling you? Wifee? No? Is it Bill Collector? No? I 39 00:02:38.960 --> 00:02:45.719 think it's one of my recoveries that mother ever, I should see you next 40 00:02:45.719 --> 00:02:49.520 time. I'll have you put your phone to the bluetooth so we hook up 41 00:02:49.520 --> 00:02:53.719 to the board and we'll just answer it live like hey man. Nah. 42 00:02:53.800 --> 00:03:01.639 But what we were saying was that the recoveries, the rides, it gives 43 00:03:01.639 --> 00:03:06.719 your purpose, makes you feel good as opposed to other jobs. And I'm 44 00:03:06.719 --> 00:03:09.400 not saying, you know that they're bad, but maybe they're a little bit 45 00:03:09.439 --> 00:03:15.439 more, a little bit more space in between actually doing some stuff, you 46 00:03:15.479 --> 00:03:17.319 know, And I think that that's where this job we'll give you that purpose. 47 00:03:17.360 --> 00:03:23.719 And you've been killing it, bro like a tall checking out my recovery 48 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:25.759 is and I don't have someone in the car. And it's just been nice. 49 00:03:28.039 --> 00:03:30.159 Yeah, and especially now that the weather is getting nicer, you know 50 00:03:30.199 --> 00:03:34.319 in Michigan, it's beautiful or wait till the fall, like you're just gonna 51 00:03:34.319 --> 00:03:36.759 love it. And you're like, do I have to take anybody Toilipino today? 52 00:03:37.520 --> 00:03:39.199 It's just a beautiful ride, man. And I used to think, 53 00:03:40.520 --> 00:03:43.680 look, but I wasn't getting paid anything. But I used to think, 54 00:03:43.719 --> 00:03:46.199 Man, this is like awesome, Like this is an awesome gig. I 55 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:50.560 ride with somebody in the car with me when we talked recovery for a few 56 00:03:50.599 --> 00:03:54.919 hours. Then I drop them off and then I continue my trip by myself, 57 00:03:55.039 --> 00:04:00.400 listening to music, listening to whatever, and looking at the beautiful scenery. 58 00:04:00.719 --> 00:04:06.000 Yeah, it's definitely very serene. Yeah, it's it's something, man, 59 00:04:06.960 --> 00:04:10.639 And not all the time? Will you be on the highway. I 60 00:04:10.639 --> 00:04:14.039 mean, it seems like lately though, we've been having a lot of trips 61 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:16.920 that are longer, and it seems like we are on the freeway quite a 62 00:04:16.920 --> 00:04:19.720 bit, or at least you are. But it's not always like that, 63 00:04:19.759 --> 00:04:24.920 you know. Um Yeah, but it's it's cool and I'm glad that you're 64 00:04:24.959 --> 00:04:28.079 digging it because I was worried. I was like, man, I don't 65 00:04:28.079 --> 00:04:30.319 know. I mean, he said he'd love to do this every day, 66 00:04:30.680 --> 00:04:35.000 but every day, I don't know. We'll see. Yeah, so far, 67 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:39.720 so great. You know, and you drive a vehicle that's that's pretty 68 00:04:39.759 --> 00:04:43.040 nice and it's pretty comfortable to drive. We got new tires on it, 69 00:04:43.079 --> 00:04:47.399 I mean Bill Marsh and Breaking Alignment Plus. You know, they hook us 70 00:04:47.439 --> 00:04:51.879 up with you know, fixing us up if we need fixing, and they 71 00:04:53.480 --> 00:04:56.800 donate oil chaines to us, which we need quite a bit. Yeah, 72 00:04:56.800 --> 00:05:00.759 like once every two weeks. Yeah, it's insane, the miles that we 73 00:05:00.879 --> 00:05:04.600 put on these things. And you know it's it's people like Breaking Alignment Plus 74 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:10.360 and like Bill Marsh that that support us and we appreciate it so so much. 75 00:05:10.360 --> 00:05:13.240 And that's why we always tell people if you're in the Traverse City area 76 00:05:13.439 --> 00:05:15.720 you need an oil change, you know, take the extra five minutes, 77 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:19.040 schedule an oil change. Don't go to just one of those places you just 78 00:05:19.120 --> 00:05:24.519 drive in, drive out. Yeah, sure that's convenient. But support the 79 00:05:24.560 --> 00:05:29.000 people who support people in recovery and the recovery community. You know, That's 80 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:33.360 how I look at it, and we're thinking, we're utment. Just we 81 00:05:33.879 --> 00:05:41.040 phrase this, we're in the early stages of planning like a recovery dinner, 82 00:05:41.240 --> 00:05:44.360 like a recovery community dinner, and we're just gonna feed everybody that wants to 83 00:05:44.360 --> 00:05:47.879 come out and we're gonna tell the recovery community, Hey, come on out. 84 00:05:47.920 --> 00:05:51.079 You know, you're earned a free meal. And if other people want 85 00:05:51.079 --> 00:05:54.439 to show up, that's cool too, you know, come check out what 86 00:05:54.439 --> 00:05:59.079 we're about. You know, we're all about that community life and evolving as 87 00:05:59.079 --> 00:06:04.480 many people as we can. And I reached out to Nestle and their water 88 00:06:04.519 --> 00:06:06.720 company and I was like, hey, you know, we got this event 89 00:06:06.800 --> 00:06:12.040 going on and we'd really love your support and to show your support for the 90 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:16.319 recovery community. We think that'd be awesome. You guys have a plant here 91 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:20.959 in Michigan and we'll get to that in just a minute. And they wrote 92 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:27.040 me back and said, mister Winfield, we don't care about the recovery community. 93 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:29.040 You guys can go to hell. That's pretty much what they said. 94 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:31.439 And they even did it with well you looked at me like they really said 95 00:06:31.439 --> 00:06:34.199 that. It was pretty damn close though. It said we're not interested, 96 00:06:35.720 --> 00:06:41.120 and it said on behalf of Hot Pockets, like they're a little stupid email 97 00:06:41.120 --> 00:06:43.879 they sent me they had the wrong company name in there. So then I 98 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:46.519 wrote them back and I said, well, I'm confused by Hot Pockets because 99 00:06:46.519 --> 00:06:50.439 we never reached out to Hot Pockets to ask them for some waters that we 100 00:06:50.480 --> 00:06:56.319 could distribute. But I will go ahead and let the recovery community know that 101 00:06:56.439 --> 00:07:00.720 Nestle does not care about them, and I think you should try a smiling 102 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:05.279 And then they wrote back and said, oh, didn't mean Hot Pockets met 103 00:07:05.279 --> 00:07:10.839 Nestley. Thanks for letting everybody know, and I said, okay, you're 104 00:07:10.839 --> 00:07:14.839 welcome. So yeah, if you ever stopped to get a water and it's 105 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:18.759 between a fountain and Nestley, just go to the fountain, get your little 106 00:07:19.160 --> 00:07:23.199 a little quicksip, and be on your way, or you know, choose 107 00:07:23.199 --> 00:07:27.839 a different brand. I don't know what brands are associated with Nestle. I 108 00:07:27.879 --> 00:07:29.639 don't know if that's a code product or not. I don't think so, 109 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:32.839 Deshanti or whatever it is that is. But yeah, and Nestle. Here's 110 00:07:32.839 --> 00:07:40.680 the funny thing about this, you'll really love. They get their water from 111 00:07:40.720 --> 00:07:46.279 Lake Michigan. I don't you know e. And the real funny thing about 112 00:07:46.279 --> 00:07:47.879 it is you think, wow, say to Michigan, must be making a 113 00:07:47.959 --> 00:07:53.519 killing off of that. N that's the problem. See what Nestle did was 114 00:07:53.519 --> 00:07:57.839 they spent five hundred dollars and got a license and like I don't know if 115 00:07:57.839 --> 00:08:00.560 it was whitm or whoever it was a governor at the time, or they 116 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:01.920 allowed this to say, yeah, that's cool, just get this license. 117 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:07.040 It's five hundred bucks. You get the license and that's all you need. 118 00:08:07.480 --> 00:08:11.879 That horrible. So they get all the water for free, well except for 119 00:08:11.879 --> 00:08:16.279 the five hundred dollars I had to pay for their little license. Ain't that's 120 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:20.519 something and that really you can't give us. Okay, that's cool bottles of 121 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:24.959 water for that. Yeah, that's we're nonprofit. So it sound like it's 122 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:28.079 going to cost him anything. It's tax right off. Who knows, man, 123 00:08:30.920 --> 00:08:33.120 tax ris are overrated. Unless you want to donate to us, then 124 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:37.480 feel free. It's tax right off. Donate at two seventeen recovery dot com. 125 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:41.679 Thank you. But yeah, I was. I was kind of like 126 00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:45.879 a little bitter about that one. I don't know if you could tell it 127 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:48.600 sounds like it. Yeah, that's a little bit. It's a little bit. 128 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:52.240 You know. When I used to work doing volunteer fire fighter stuff, 129 00:08:52.600 --> 00:09:00.240 Ice Mountain used to give away water to the local fighter departments around as Ola 130 00:09:00.279 --> 00:09:03.360 County, so fed over into Lake County, which is where I was from, 131 00:09:03.399 --> 00:09:07.519 and we used to go get all kinds of water for free from them, 132 00:09:07.519 --> 00:09:11.559 straight from the plant, So it might be something worth checking out because 133 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:15.559 at least they support nonprofits, yeah, or at least you know. And 134 00:09:15.639 --> 00:09:20.919 I don't know how local that person was. I had messaged, but I 135 00:09:20.960 --> 00:09:24.279 did pull it up and found their location down state here in Michigan, and 136 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:26.879 that's when I clicked on and all that good jazz. But who knows, 137 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:31.320 man, You know, there's other places, you know, I know Sam's 138 00:09:31.320 --> 00:09:35.080 Club, they're big fans of ours. So Walmart they're huge fans of ours 139 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:39.240 and the recovery community. So I'm sure I could go to them and say, 140 00:09:39.279 --> 00:09:41.960 hey, can we get a few cases of water? And I think 141 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:46.360 they would say just take them mess I don't think it would be that big 142 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:48.480 a deal, but I just wanted to include, you know, other people 143 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:52.279 in it. You know, it's wild we haven't really reached out to before. 144 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:56.480 And yeah, oh well one door shut, ten open. Yeah, 145 00:09:56.559 --> 00:10:01.399 but I just they wanted me to. They thanked me for letting the recovery 146 00:10:01.399 --> 00:10:05.720 community know Nestlie did that. They they don't really care about people recovery. 147 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:09.080 That's that's awful. So don't buy hot pockets either apparently the same company, 148 00:10:09.720 --> 00:10:13.919 the same generic email they send out to everybody, except they just changed the 149 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:20.080 recovery community and they did not change the name of the company. That tells 150 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:24.639 me anything that's horrible really is. Yeah, you know, it is what 151 00:10:24.679 --> 00:10:28.399 it is. But like you said, one door closes, ten more open. 152 00:10:28.799 --> 00:10:31.240 That's right. Might be someone listening right now. It's like, man, 153 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:35.600 we would love to give you guys some water for your event. Okay, 154 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:39.120 we'd love to take it. You know, we love to show the 155 00:10:39.159 --> 00:10:41.759 support pack, you know, just kind of like I did Bill marsh and 156 00:10:41.759 --> 00:10:46.120 breaking linement plus right, that's what we do. So you just bought another 157 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:50.120 vehicle from him too, didn't you. You were leasing it, yeah, 158 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:54.159 leasing buying. Yeah. And they you know, they don't really hook people 159 00:10:54.240 --> 00:10:56.360 up on new vehicles. I mean, there's only so much they can do. 160 00:10:56.399 --> 00:11:01.559 But you know, they got us into the one we wanted and you 161 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:07.519 know, made it easy for us, so I can't complain getting the license 162 00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:11.279 plate on Thursday. It looks like we only bought the vehicle in February twenty 163 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:18.320 eight. It's not that long ago. But we do have a nonprofit plate 164 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:26.039 and it just takes a little longer. Special paperwork. Yeah, those nonprofit 165 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:28.279 plates, man, are pretty awesome. Yeah, they are because you just 166 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:33.960 be like nothing and you get it for five years pretty much. Nice. 167 00:11:33.080 --> 00:11:43.159 It's kind of like getting water for free out of Lake Michigan. I see 168 00:11:45.159 --> 00:11:48.519 you recently were married. Yes, I know you. You were on the 169 00:11:48.519 --> 00:11:50.600 podcast before you were married, and you were talking about it. I think 170 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:56.840 April was even on the podcast before. Yeah. Because yeah, I'm not 171 00:11:56.879 --> 00:12:01.519 going to mention the gum chewing. She's probably gonna listen to roll her eyes. 172 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:07.159 But that's fine. Things going well, Yeah, things are going great. 173 00:12:07.759 --> 00:12:11.240 What's and you've been married before. I don't want to really bring that 174 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:18.639 up too much. But how is this different? Just the fact that how 175 00:12:18.679 --> 00:12:24.000 we support each other every day no matter how dark our day can be. 176 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:31.399 Because not every day in recoveries rainbows and unicorns, you know, so sometimes 177 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:33.919 we do have tough days and we're there to support each other and care for 178 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:39.080 one another, you know, and make each other laugh no matter what what's 179 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:43.840 going on. So, I mean, it's great. I love it. 180 00:12:45.480 --> 00:12:50.080 It's good, you know, being married. I've only been married once, 181 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:58.799 this is my second time. You're younger. I'm not sure that has anything 182 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:03.600 to do with it. But you well, I know people they get married 183 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:07.279 when they're like twenty eighteen, nineteen twenty, you know, and they think, 184 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:13.279 oh, this person and man, to think that I am a completely 185 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:15.480 different person than I was when I was then, you know, So to 186 00:13:16.159 --> 00:13:18.879 go through marriage like that, that would be tough. And there are people 187 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:20.039 out there that, yeah, I'm not saying they don't love their wife or 188 00:13:20.039 --> 00:13:24.080 love their husband, but man, they go through some changes together. Like 189 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:28.960 that's that's a real test. I mean, you're twenties, you're pretty wild, 190 00:13:28.159 --> 00:13:35.279 you know, at least I was, Yeah, And to think how 191 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:39.159 much you're going to change between twenty and twenty five and twenty five and thirty 192 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:43.200 and then thirty to thirty five and thirty five to four, I mean, 193 00:13:43.879 --> 00:13:46.600 we're constantly kind of changing. You know. Martie and I we found each 194 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:52.519 other were a bit older, and we've already went through life realizing that nobody 195 00:13:52.600 --> 00:13:56.480 will ever marry us drunk, nobody, nobody's gonna stick around for that. 196 00:13:56.600 --> 00:14:00.200 So you know, if we wanted to get married and had that life, 197 00:14:00.200 --> 00:14:03.120 we needed to change some things, and we did. And I don't know, 198 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:07.559 it's just something about being older, like I can see, like it's 199 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:13.519 I'm not settling and I'm gonna go after what I want. I want someone 200 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:16.639 who's gonna love me as much as I love them. You know the big 201 00:14:16.679 --> 00:14:18.919 things about the marriage that when you're younger, you're just like, is she 202 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:24.240 hot? Yeah? Hell yeah, man, it ain't good? Yeah? 203 00:14:24.279 --> 00:14:26.639 What do you mean by that? Justin Oh, you know what I mean? 204 00:14:28.279 --> 00:14:31.120 Is she anty good? Like it's a good person. Is Jesus gonna 205 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:35.919 accept her into heaven kind of thing? Okay, because I thought you're talking 206 00:14:35.919 --> 00:14:41.240 about something else maybe too, but nope. Yeah. When you're young, 207 00:14:41.320 --> 00:14:43.600 like, that's that's all the stuff that matters, all the stupid stuff that 208 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:48.200 actually really doesn't matter. And when you get older you can look at it. 209 00:14:48.200 --> 00:14:54.120 It's like, look, you know, I think the person's attractive, 210 00:14:54.519 --> 00:14:58.960 she loves me, I love her. I can hang out with this person. 211 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:07.600 And when I'm home, maybe alone, watching TV or doing laundry, 212 00:15:07.639 --> 00:15:11.120 whatever it is, I'm not dreading the minute she gets back. And when 213 00:15:11.159 --> 00:15:13.519 she does get back, I'm like, hey, wife, he's home. 214 00:15:13.559 --> 00:15:18.480 You know. I've had relationships in the past, you know where a women 215 00:15:18.519 --> 00:15:22.840 have actually lived with me and it was just like, can you leave because 216 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:26.759 I need to just do something I would just take off and just like I'm 217 00:15:26.799 --> 00:15:28.080 out of here, man, because I need to just be away from you. 218 00:15:30.679 --> 00:15:35.639 And is that a sign of immaturity, of me just settling. I 219 00:15:35.679 --> 00:15:41.279 don't know. I don't know either. I mean, I've been in relationships 220 00:15:41.320 --> 00:15:43.440 like that before. You know, I'd rather be out fishing than be at 221 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:48.639 home. And it's a sad reality because now I'm happy to be at home 222 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:52.440 waiting for my wife to come home from work. We're vice versa, you 223 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:56.639 know, we're happy to see each other every day with smiles on her faces 224 00:15:58.919 --> 00:16:02.039 whatever. Before, you know, I could remember showing back up tanked. 225 00:16:02.919 --> 00:16:08.200 We're high as a kite and just not caring. You know. That's really 226 00:16:08.240 --> 00:16:12.720 messed up, come to think of it, you know, yeah, And 227 00:16:12.759 --> 00:16:17.399 it's not fair to them. It's not fair to you. Like it's just 228 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:18.360 like you were settling, right, you know, like, oh, this 229 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:22.519 is what I'm supposed to do, and okay, but I don't want to 230 00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:23.519 do it. I'm gonna go fishing and I'm gonna get drunk. I'm gonna 231 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:26.799 do what i want to do. I'm gonna get high. I'm justin I'm 232 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:30.559 gonna do what i want to do. That's it. You know, and 233 00:16:30.840 --> 00:16:34.799 she's my wife. Whatever. I'm a man, I do my stuff right. 234 00:16:36.279 --> 00:16:38.240 I'm out for me, you know, and me only. And now 235 00:16:38.279 --> 00:16:41.519 you know, I realize it's that's not the best way to be in life. 236 00:16:44.080 --> 00:16:45.120 Like I said, you know, I enjoyed my wife a lot. 237 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:52.200 We enjoyed doing things together, which is abnormal. Like last fall, we 238 00:16:52.240 --> 00:16:56.200 took a vacation down North Carolina and back, you know, and they have 239 00:16:56.240 --> 00:17:00.720 one argument the whole time we were gone. It was on the road for 240 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:03.359 four or five days together, you know, And that's a big accomplishment to 241 00:17:03.400 --> 00:17:07.400 go on a road trip and be stuck in a car with someone. Well, 242 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:15.359 how much duck tape did your brain? No killing it today? Now 243 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:21.359 the reality of that is is I think you're you're more mature. You weren't 244 00:17:21.400 --> 00:17:26.960 settling. You know. You found a woman that the ying to your yang, 245 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:27.839 you know, or the yang to your ying, whatever that goes. 246 00:17:27.880 --> 00:17:32.359 You know, she completes you. And it's kind of opposite but kind of 247 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:37.559 the same. It's a beautiful thing. Man. And I've for example, 248 00:17:37.720 --> 00:17:44.400 I have a drone. I have not flown it yet, and this weekend 249 00:17:44.400 --> 00:17:47.559 I wasn't feeling that well. Man, I was trying to like avoid having 250 00:17:47.599 --> 00:17:49.519 COVID because I really don't want it again. I'm good on that, thanks, 251 00:17:51.319 --> 00:17:53.640 and but I just wasn't feeling well and I still kind of don't feel 252 00:17:53.640 --> 00:17:56.759 well. But this weekend I was like, man, there's a break in 253 00:17:56.799 --> 00:18:03.200 the snow slash rain we have still in Michigan, and I was like, 254 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:04.759 I'm gonna take it out and go. I'm gonna go fly my drone. 255 00:18:06.680 --> 00:18:08.599 But Marne was home when we were kind of spending time together a little bit, 256 00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:14.319 and I looked over and I was like, thinking, she's not asked 257 00:18:14.359 --> 00:18:18.119 her she wants to go with me to fly this drone. And I do 258 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:22.960 this a lot now. It really saves me some some embarrassment and asking stupid 259 00:18:22.039 --> 00:18:26.640 questions. I said, no, Martie does not want to go fly an 260 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:30.720 effing drone and just it's like with the wind chill, it was like thirty 261 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:33.880 two out and I was like, she doesn't like being cold, Like what's 262 00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:36.880 she gonna do to stand there and watch me not know how to fly this 263 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:40.759 drone? Why do you lose it? Yeah? And I was like, 264 00:18:41.440 --> 00:18:42.640 Nah, I'm not even gonna ask her. I'm just gonna sit here and 265 00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:45.640 enjoy my time. With her, and I don't need to fly that drone 266 00:18:45.640 --> 00:18:51.759 today. Now, the old me o sum so, so, yeah, 267 00:18:51.799 --> 00:18:53.039 I'm gonna go fly my drone at the part. Yeah, I might have 268 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:56.160 asked her and then be like, well, I asked you if you wanted 269 00:18:56.279 --> 00:18:59.839 colm, right, Look, look, I invited you to come with you. 270 00:19:00.039 --> 00:19:02.119 Old though you'd want to spend time with me, and I would flip 271 00:19:02.119 --> 00:19:04.359 it and try to turn it into a hole. I'm the one getting wrong 272 00:19:04.640 --> 00:19:07.000 in the thing, you know, because she didn't want to go fly drones 273 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:11.240 with me, right, I told you I was doing. You didn't want 274 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:14.400 to come, so because you didn't say anything, Yeah, you sat here 275 00:19:14.440 --> 00:19:15.839 all pissed off. You could have came, you know that. That would 276 00:19:15.839 --> 00:19:19.119 have been the old me, you know. But the new me just kind 277 00:19:19.119 --> 00:19:23.920 of looks over and goes, no, no, no, she doesn't want 278 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:27.559 to fly a drone. And you know what, I haven't seen my wife 279 00:19:27.680 --> 00:19:32.119 all week pretty much, so I'm gonna stay here with her. And even 280 00:19:32.119 --> 00:19:34.799 if we just sit here and chill, we'll just watch TV whatever, man 281 00:19:36.839 --> 00:19:40.640 like, just to be in her presence. And yeah, me and my 282 00:19:40.640 --> 00:19:47.680 wife played board games a lot, break the monotony of watching TV. Yeah, 283 00:19:47.680 --> 00:19:49.799 they make those for couples now, and I'm already wanted to get one. 284 00:19:51.759 --> 00:19:55.000 It was like it was like life or a monopoly or it's something. 285 00:19:55.000 --> 00:19:56.079 It was like a smaller version of it, but it was like made for 286 00:19:56.279 --> 00:20:00.680 just made for two people. It sounds like fun. Yeah, I think 287 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:04.240 they had those Walgreens at one point, but I'm sure you can get them 288 00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:11.920 out on Amazon or wherever. I like playing Battleship rummy. Yeah, there's 289 00:20:11.920 --> 00:20:15.720 tons of things you can do, you know. But just think about that 290 00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:18.920 next time though, when you're with her and you want to go do something 291 00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:21.599 you want to do and just you'll you'll probably kind of come to the same 292 00:20:21.640 --> 00:20:25.680 conclusion I did, of no, she doesn't want to do that. And 293 00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:30.960 there are times where she'll be working and you'll have that opportunity, you know, 294 00:20:32.079 --> 00:20:34.119 or she'll go do her hair or nails or whatever. You know, 295 00:20:34.200 --> 00:20:37.640 Like like there's plenty of times where Marney will go do things that she wants 296 00:20:37.640 --> 00:20:41.279 to do, which is which is great. You know that I'll have that 297 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:45.440 time to go do what I want to do, right and you know, 298 00:20:45.559 --> 00:20:48.640 just do it then, you know, That's how I kind of look at 299 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:56.279 it. Says a lot of headache it does. I actually went pant shopping 300 00:20:56.359 --> 00:21:02.400 with my wife last night because she gets new pants for work, and she 301 00:21:02.440 --> 00:21:03.200 asked me if I wanted to go and hang out with her, and I 302 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:07.039 was like sure. She goes You're sure, you don't mind, Like we're 303 00:21:07.079 --> 00:21:10.640 gonna go shopping for clothes. I'm like, no, it's time with you. 304 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:18.039 I value that. That's a tough one. Yeah, it can be, 305 00:21:18.599 --> 00:21:29.160 yeah, yeah, but not really. Yeah. I don't know. 306 00:21:29.200 --> 00:21:33.359 I just don't like people and like being out like tons of people. So 307 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:36.039 depending on where you go, I guess we're depending what time you went. 308 00:21:36.400 --> 00:21:41.359 It was like Burlington at seven thirty at night, probably not too bad. 309 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:45.400 But in Traverse City things get crazy here with all the tourists and they're they're 310 00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:52.359 hitting now and the traffic lights you wait at it's one to the other, 311 00:21:52.839 --> 00:21:56.000 all cars. It sucks. And I hit that the other day too, 312 00:21:56.039 --> 00:22:02.839 and I was like, man, this is just not fun. So that's 313 00:22:02.920 --> 00:22:10.559 season's coming, unfortunately, but it'll be over soon and last for three four 314 00:22:10.599 --> 00:22:14.680 months. You see football, we'll be back and we'll have that now. 315 00:22:14.799 --> 00:22:15.920 Your wife was in the league last year, but she didn't really play. 316 00:22:15.960 --> 00:22:19.279 You think she's gonna play this year for real or what I think. So 317 00:22:19.599 --> 00:22:25.720 she wants to she's grasping it better and better, like she didn't really know 318 00:22:25.799 --> 00:22:30.559 nothing about football like last year, so I had a kind of culture through 319 00:22:30.599 --> 00:22:33.799 it. I mean, which I should be pretty good. I mean, 320 00:22:33.799 --> 00:22:37.559 I've won twice in a row. So I think we'll do a draft party 321 00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:44.839 this year. Everybody will be there. Sure don't have to draft her own 322 00:22:44.839 --> 00:22:52.200 team. I don't know. We'll see, but yeah, they just did 323 00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:57.920 the NFL draft, so a lot of people around here are Lions fans, 324 00:22:59.000 --> 00:23:02.720 and we'll see. You know, the lines will get to us, slash 325 00:23:02.720 --> 00:23:06.079 sugar, give us tickets, and I think I'll ask again for something. 326 00:23:06.079 --> 00:23:08.400 I don't know if they'll just keep picking us over and over, because I 327 00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:14.039 think a lot of nonprofits ask them for stuff you never know, you do, 328 00:23:14.200 --> 00:23:18.640 never know better hit them up early. Yeah I look at see when 329 00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:25.079 I hit him up last year. But yeah, I can't wait. Football, 330 00:23:25.160 --> 00:23:30.160 it'll be here soon, stupid summer will be over. What do you 331 00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:37.880 hate most about summer? The heat? That is second only to bugs for 332 00:23:37.960 --> 00:23:41.160 me, Because if you've noticed, like a couple weeks ago and I got 333 00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:44.039 warm, like all these little black bugs are coming out and they like get 334 00:23:44.119 --> 00:23:48.359 up in your nose and your eyeball. And that's not a fan of bugs, 335 00:23:48.759 --> 00:23:53.160 So bring back the cold, that's what I say. Yeah, anyway, 336 00:23:53.240 --> 00:23:57.119 I don't really care for the bugs. Flies. Yeah, they're nasty, 337 00:23:57.160 --> 00:24:00.440 man Like, how do they like? That's how you know the devil 338 00:24:00.519 --> 00:24:03.920 made him? It's because nothing else can survive in this but won't. Here 339 00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:07.960 here comes some bugs. Like I don't really care for spiders, but come 340 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:11.440 summertime, it's like, I won't kill a spider because they kill every flying 341 00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:17.200 insect. Yeah, Jesus made the spiders. Yea, so it's really nice. 342 00:24:18.039 --> 00:24:23.359 Yeah, damn devil bugs. They'll bite you too, man, Yeah 343 00:24:23.440 --> 00:24:30.319 you never have won't bite you New York crotch, No never never. Didn't 344 00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:41.119 you ever go swimming? Yeah, h I haven't either, saying it makes 345 00:24:41.119 --> 00:24:48.680 things awkward though I heard he could. Oh that's enough of an awkward podcast. 346 00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:52.359 I think we're done for the night, and we have to go talk 347 00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:56.279 at the streatment center. Anything we're gonna talk about tonight with them, goals, 348 00:24:56.960 --> 00:25:00.720 talk about goals, a little bit of my story because I haven't seen 349 00:25:00.759 --> 00:25:07.319 them in a while. A whole new crew now right, Yeah, and 350 00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:10.440 then I gotta do a better job too. And this is something that's on 351 00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:14.759 like my personal list, I think, you know, because you go one 352 00:25:14.799 --> 00:25:18.279 week and then then Mitchell goes a week and then Adam goes a week. 353 00:25:18.920 --> 00:25:22.240 And the reason why I want you guys to come with me to do this 354 00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:26.079 is a it feels good to give back and when you leave you feel good. 355 00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:32.200 And to show the guys that are intreatment you know that yeah, you 356 00:25:32.240 --> 00:25:38.799 can't make it out, but I want to you guys to become like better 357 00:25:38.839 --> 00:25:41.799 speakers, you know, because I think like at some point you're all going 358 00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:45.279 to have a chance to go up and you know, do a talk one 359 00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:48.640 day, you know, And I want you guys to feel comfortable and I 360 00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:52.640 want you guys to kill it, you know. And I think with you 361 00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:55.960 and you've been doing it the most with me, you know, going there. 362 00:25:56.000 --> 00:25:59.480 But I don't think I've ever sat down and been like, hey, 363 00:25:59.559 --> 00:26:02.799 justin let's go over last night, you know, like let's go over this, 364 00:26:02.920 --> 00:26:04.920 let's go over that. You know. I just kind of let you 365 00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:07.480 feel how you feel, and then I'm like, okay, you know, 366 00:26:07.480 --> 00:26:11.920 but I'm gonna do a better job of that and just kind of help you 367 00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:15.119 guys, you know, just showing up. You know, you can learn, 368 00:26:15.119 --> 00:26:18.119 I guess a little bit from watch other people to do some stuff, 369 00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:19.799 but until you actually start doing it yourself, you don't really learn. And 370 00:26:21.400 --> 00:26:26.480 I'd say the best advice I could give anybody about speaking in public is the 371 00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:30.880 audience doesn't know you messed up. No, you know, just keep going. 372 00:26:32.079 --> 00:26:34.279 We all stumble, we all fumble, you know, all through our 373 00:26:34.279 --> 00:26:40.279 words sometimes, but you just just keep going. Man. And I used 374 00:26:40.319 --> 00:26:42.480 to think I had to have everything planned out to a t, and that 375 00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:47.480 all that did was make me even more nervous. You know, if I 376 00:26:47.559 --> 00:26:49.240 go up there, which is kind of a general idea of what I'm gonna 377 00:26:49.279 --> 00:26:53.039 do, like if I'm speaking at the event or something, I just general 378 00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:56.680 because if I try to plan it word for word and this and that, 379 00:26:57.799 --> 00:27:00.440 I'm gonna I'm gonna flub it at one point and then I'm just gonna go 380 00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:06.079 down with the ship. Yeah. And if you just have a general idea 381 00:27:06.079 --> 00:27:08.000 of things and makes a lot easier. And then, like me, I 382 00:27:08.039 --> 00:27:11.440 just like to go off on different topics all the time, so it's really 383 00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:15.400 hard for me to plan it out anyway. Well, you've had a lot 384 00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:19.759 more interesting recovery life. I call it, yeah, before I actually long 385 00:27:19.839 --> 00:27:23.359 term recovery. You know, like you you went around and you stayed at 386 00:27:23.359 --> 00:27:27.000 a bunch of different places. Me, I went to one treatment center, 387 00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:32.480 you know. Yeah, I mean I didn't really know about rehab. I 388 00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:34.599 mean, I just knew rehab was for quitters, and I never wanted to 389 00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:38.240 quit because I never thought I had a problem. Yeah, I heard that 390 00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:44.480 many times, but it's really not, you know, it's it's designed to 391 00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:48.759 help yourself and get better and be a better person. Yeah, and I 392 00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:55.119 want to shout out to you Guiding Light and Grand Rapids. That's a program 393 00:27:55.119 --> 00:28:00.680 that I went through and they had and I'm gonna assume they still have a 394 00:28:00.759 --> 00:28:07.319 program call it's back to work program where they have people that are houseless. 395 00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:11.400 I think it was what they called themselves now or shelters unless I don't anyway, 396 00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:15.960 they're on hard times and they need a little help. Well got any 397 00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:18.079 light at that time? And again, I'm just gonna talk about then because 398 00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:22.319 that's what I knew. I know what was going on then, as opposed 399 00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:25.359 to like, are they still doing it right now? I'm not sure I 400 00:28:25.400 --> 00:28:27.359 would assume they are, though, but people could come in there and you 401 00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:32.079 could live for ninety days and they would hook you up, you know, 402 00:28:32.200 --> 00:28:37.039 find get your job, and they would keep like x amount. Back then, 403 00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:40.200 I think it was like thirty percent of your check that they would hold. 404 00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:42.039 They wouldn't keep it, they would hold it and then after ninety days 405 00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:45.200 they give it back to you. Here you go and they would even you 406 00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:48.559 know, just with finding you a place to live, an apartment, you 407 00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:49.440 know, and all this other stuff. And you have the money to do 408 00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:53.680 it, and you just had to be sober, and you had to you 409 00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:59.279 know, keep your area clean and you know, but just kind of be 410 00:28:59.319 --> 00:29:03.960 clean, you know. And they also had a program in the back, 411 00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:06.279 which is a treatment center. It was like nine months at the time, 412 00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:07.640 I think, I think it could have went longer. But then they opened 413 00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:12.559 so we're living homes too. There were like apartments, I want to say 414 00:29:12.559 --> 00:29:17.920 they were called the Steel Horse. I could be totally screwing that up too, 415 00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:22.759 but at that time I was in defense mode of everybody was just trying 416 00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:26.000 to use me to get money from somebody. But God in Light is not 417 00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:30.559 funded by the state. They're funded by donations. So there's a lot of 418 00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:34.599 stuff that I'm not saying that the state's doing things totally wrong, but there's 419 00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:38.400 a lot of things that could probably change, would be just fine. But 420 00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:41.960 you know, God in led they don't have to do those things, you 421 00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:45.599 know, and they do run a really good program. But I said, 422 00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:48.960 at the time, I thought everybody was just trying to take advantage of me 423 00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:52.680 and get money from me and route And that all came from the first time 424 00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:56.319 when I went to treatment in California, when the lady told me that I 425 00:29:56.359 --> 00:30:00.200 needed to be on some kind of medications so that way they could build the 426 00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:07.440 insurance for double and I was like what, like what yeah? Yeah? 427 00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:11.119 And so from then on until kind of the end, I really thought everybody 428 00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:15.519 was out for money, and until Riverwood and Ben Harbors sent me to treatment, 429 00:30:15.519 --> 00:30:17.759 and I thought they were going to make me do their outpatient again for 430 00:30:17.799 --> 00:30:22.440 the third time. And that's what I was like, Wait, what You're 431 00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:25.920 gonna make me go away to treatment for long term? What do you mean 432 00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:27.559 long term? Year to a night? Whoa ninety days to a year? 433 00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:30.799 About we started ninety days? You know, like what are you doing? 434 00:30:32.200 --> 00:30:34.680 But that's when I realized, no, maybe they're not all about the money. 435 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:38.279 You know, like I thought, but when that was my first go 436 00:30:38.440 --> 00:30:41.079 at it there in California, and then I get told that, and I'm 437 00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:47.839 just like burnt. That's kind of a bad attitude to take with you fourteen 438 00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:51.640 more places. But what do you do, you know, I mean, 439 00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:55.119 one bad place gives you a bad taste in your mouth, and you know, 440 00:30:55.160 --> 00:30:56.400 you reach out to all these other places trying to get help, and 441 00:30:56.440 --> 00:31:00.119 you're just like, oh, well, they're just in it for the money. 442 00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:03.200 Yeah, but god, even like they weren't and I want to say 443 00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:06.720 it's iron horse now, but they were like the apartment complex and you were 444 00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:08.720 supposed to kind of graduate through the program, and you and I would both 445 00:31:08.839 --> 00:31:14.480 agree that long term and treatment place is better. You know, we don't 446 00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:15.759 want to do that, and we'll make a million excuses why we can't. 447 00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:18.279 I can't go there for nine months. Oh don't worry, you'll burn your 448 00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:21.680 life down where you won't have nothing else to do for nine months. So 449 00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:25.759 go there, you know, go to a program that's really long like that, 450 00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:27.240 and take your time with it. You know, get to know yourself, 451 00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:30.799 especially if you're just going in for the first time. You know, 452 00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:33.359 like you're going to have to find yourself again. You don't really even know 453 00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:36.480 who you are. All the drugs that you've been using over the years and 454 00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:41.880 drinking and all that. Yeah, and it's not really you and you have 455 00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:44.559 to take your time with it. So going to a program like this and 456 00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:49.039 then going to their Iron Horse apartment complex and it was just you and another 457 00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:52.680 guy, so it wasn't crazy sober living, you know. And yeah, 458 00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:56.359 you had to pay your rent and stuff, but you and the other guy 459 00:31:56.400 --> 00:32:02.279 were supposed to kind of hold each other accountable and they were under the I 460 00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:07.920 don't want to say thinking, they were under the rules, I guess, 461 00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:14.880 and thinking are that And you'll agree with this too. If someone's in the 462 00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:16.880 house drinking, are using, you're not doing them any favors by not telling, 463 00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:20.400 right, you know. And there's so many people and there's this whole 464 00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:24.640 jail prison gangster mentality of old snitches. Man, it's not even snitching because 465 00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:29.119 first of all, they're messing with your sobriety, right, and that is 466 00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:32.039 very disrespectful and that right, you're trying to save their life. Yeah, 467 00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:36.079 well you got me kicked out. Well, guess what, if you're not 468 00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:37.440 an a hole, they'll probably let you go. Through the program again, 469 00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:40.440 you know, or send you to a different program and let you come back, 470 00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:45.759 you know, because something's not right, you know, if you're still 471 00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:47.640 trying to use or drink or something and you're supposed to be in sober living. 472 00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:51.680 I mean, and you've had that much clean time, like like, 473 00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:54.720 what are you doing? Man? And some something's still wrong in there and 474 00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:59.440 either you don't have a good therapist or some something's going on, or you're 475 00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:01.519 just not getting to the root of your problems your trauma, you know, 476 00:33:02.200 --> 00:33:06.519 or you're not being honest. You got tricked by your brain again, you 477 00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:07.640 know, telling you that, oh you can just do it this one weekend. 478 00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:10.759 You know, Scott's not gonna tell on you. That's fine, right, 479 00:33:12.200 --> 00:33:15.960 you know Scott. You can probably get Scott joined too, you know, 480 00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:19.000 which is really taking other people down with you. But yeah, I 481 00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:22.079 got me light man. It was a pretty good program and Grand Rapids, 482 00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:25.200 and I really want to connect back with those guys again. I know, 483 00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:30.319 Brian and Steve we're ahead of the program back when I went through there and 484 00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:39.880 twenty seventeen, but I was there a month and I spent the first two 485 00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:43.559 weeks up front. That's what they call up front with you know, the 486 00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:47.000 homeless back to work program, and then they left me in the back and 487 00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:52.039 I was there for like two weeks with them. My back gave out and 488 00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:57.119 I started because I have said of nerve damage, pinch whatever, and that 489 00:33:57.400 --> 00:34:00.240 started shooting down my leg and I was like nope. I was like, 490 00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:02.839 I'm not doing it here, no more guys see and they're like you're a 491 00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:07.360 mama's boy, and I was like, yep, you caught me. You 492 00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:13.639 win, but I'm out of here, and yeah, i'd recommend that program. 493 00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:15.760 In fact, oh man, I just remembered I was supposed to write 494 00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:19.480 a letter of recommendation because I was a lady that I met at the before 495 00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:22.800 and after incarceration dinner here in Traverse City, the Tyrone took me to and 496 00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:24.880 there was a woman in there. She's like, hey, you ever heard 497 00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:27.840 a guiding light And I was like yeah, and I started telling her about 498 00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:30.119 it. It's like, I need you to write a letter of recommendation because 499 00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:34.000 my nephew is gonna go there and you know, and I was like, 500 00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:36.400 hey, yeah, i'll do that. I'll be really good for him. 501 00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:45.960 Weeks ago. Yeah, it's not for this busy Yeah, sorry, but 502 00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:49.960 I went and checked out the Silver Living House, a new one in nor 503 00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:54.039 Is there, Michigan and gaylord called Billy James. Yeah, it's Grayson's place, 504 00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:58.599 right, Yeah, it's actually really it's a really nice house. I 505 00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:02.920 just want to say houses like eight females, six or eight nice. So, 506 00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:07.880 I mean it was a nice little spot. It's right like right downtown, 507 00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:14.239 so it was easy to find work and build commute. The Allano Club 508 00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:15.840 was only like a couple of miles away, so if they wanted to, 509 00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:20.920 they could actually walk to meetings like what we did at Nathan's house, you 510 00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:22.280 know. I mean it was only like a mile or two to the meeting 511 00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:27.519 spot to those Sometimes. I didn't have a car when I first got there, 512 00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:32.239 you know, like most of us don't. Some of us we're lucky 513 00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:36.960 and still had a vehicle. Yeah, I did, a County bullet. 514 00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:42.039 Didn't have a car lost it, did m pound, you know, and 515 00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:46.320 just went on about the day from there. Yeah, but not far, 516 00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:51.880 no, not too far. And you would have walked away further to get 517 00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:53.800 your drugs. Heck, yeah, I would have, you know. So 518 00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:58.480 that's that's kind of a good thing. And I'm sure you've found guys to 519 00:35:58.519 --> 00:36:00.760 walk with and yeah, you know, and Tyrone gave you his bike. 520 00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:06.480 Yep, I did his bike that came in handy, I'm sure. Yeah. 521 00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:10.400 Then track got a car. I passed it down to someone else nice 522 00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:15.199 where If that bike's still going today, probably it's probably still at Nathan's house 523 00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:21.960 too. Well that's cool. Well, but you got the tour in the 524 00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:27.000 house. Yeah, it was nice. It's kind of some girls slept on 525 00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:29.440 one side of the house, some slept on the other side of the house. 526 00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:32.920 But the kitchen was kind of like the dividing point. But it was 527 00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:38.920 still really nice. They had plenty enough bathrooms in there. It's full basement 528 00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:43.800 downstairs. I guess I didn't get to see the basement. Grayson was in 529 00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:49.280 a zoom meeting so but they got a big, spacious backyard. They have 530 00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:53.679 a little fire pit out back. They do talking circles every Friday night there. 531 00:36:54.679 --> 00:37:00.360 So they chair meetings right at the recovery home, which was I thought 532 00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:02.199 it was really nice. Yeah, open to the public. I want to 533 00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:07.119 say that would be weird, but maybe. Yeah. Well, thanks for 534 00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:10.760 joining me on the podcast today. Thanks for having me, no problem. 535 00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:15.840 Let's have you back again some time. Yeah, or maybe we'll have your 536 00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:21.639 wife on again in between our busy work schedule. Yeah, maybe one day, 537 00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:22.960 one day, we'll she'll be on when we go to Lansing. So 538 00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:28.159 yeah, yeah, we'll talk more about that in the next couple episodes. 539 00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:31.039 Can't wait, it'd be a good time. Thanks again, justin appreciate come 540 00:37:31.079 --> 00:37:37.320 by man. Thanks thanks for listening to the two seventeen Recovery podcast. We 541 00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:40.920 hope you come back for our next episode.