WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.640 --> 00:00:05.719 Welcome to Wine Soundtrack USA. Let's listen to the passion with which producers narrate 2 00:00:05.759 --> 00:00:10.880 their winery and their world. In thirty answers discover their stories, personalities, 3 00:00:10.880 --> 00:00:15.199 and passions. Hello, friends and listeners of Wine Soundtrack. This is Alison 4 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:19.839 Levine and today I am sitting in Passa Roblus with Steve Gleason of For Lanterns 5 00:00:19.879 --> 00:00:23.719 Winery. Steve, welcome to Wine Soundtrack and tell us a little bit about 6 00:00:23.719 --> 00:00:28.559 Four Lanterns. Well, thanks for having me. First of all, I've 7 00:00:28.600 --> 00:00:34.320 had a lovely morning sharing coffee with you. So for Lanterns it's it's really 8 00:00:34.359 --> 00:00:38.039 a mom and pop shop. It's my wife and I. Yes, we 9 00:00:38.119 --> 00:00:41.600 have a handful of employees that work in the taste room when a couple of 10 00:00:41.640 --> 00:00:48.039 people helping me make the wine. We're on forty six West and Passa Roblists 11 00:00:48.119 --> 00:00:53.759 about three miles in from the one oh one. We make predominantly roan in 12 00:00:53.920 --> 00:00:57.359 Bordeaux wines. But I'm a big, you know, color outside the line 13 00:00:57.399 --> 00:01:00.759 person, so you know it's not infrequent. All make other styles. Okay, 14 00:01:02.119 --> 00:01:07.280 And do you own all your vineyards or are you sourcing fruit or a 15 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:15.560 combination? Predominantly a state grown. I don't like to prohibit myself from maybe 16 00:01:15.560 --> 00:01:19.760 buying some cool fruit I find from a really nice vineyard, but buying large 17 00:01:19.799 --> 00:01:26.519 we're ninety plus percent a state grown. This year will be one hundred percent 18 00:01:26.719 --> 00:01:30.200 unless I find some really cool fruit that I want to make. And what's 19 00:01:30.239 --> 00:01:38.159 your total vineyard planting? It's influx right now, and we when all of 20 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:42.519 the fruit comes in because we have two very old vineyards. And as most 21 00:01:42.519 --> 00:01:46.719 people know, at some point in time the yield and the vineyard starts to 22 00:01:46.760 --> 00:01:51.280 diminish. Sometimes they are diseases that buys can get, so you have to 23 00:01:51.319 --> 00:01:56.959 replace them periodically. Hopefully periodically is every thirty years or so. So these 24 00:01:57.000 --> 00:02:00.480 are older than thirty year old vineyards, and so we're in the process of 25 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:07.640 updating them, changing some of the ritals in them, giving me a chance 26 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:10.719 to plant some cool grapes that we may have not had before. So in 27 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:14.360 all in all, we have two vineyards, ones on a twenty acre plot, 28 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:19.120 the others on thirty five acres. The thirty five acre property has twenty 29 00:02:19.120 --> 00:02:23.919 two planted, twenty two acres planted, and the twenty acre property has sixteen 30 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:28.680 planted. Okay, and your total case production about two thousand cases. And 31 00:02:28.840 --> 00:02:32.560 are you one hundred percent direct to consumer in distribution in various markets? Where 32 00:02:32.560 --> 00:02:37.240 can people find your wines? Pretty much at our place? So we're a 33 00:02:37.360 --> 00:02:43.960 DTC winery. We do sell quite a bit of wine online. We have 34 00:02:44.639 --> 00:02:49.039 wine club members all over the country, and you know, you can from 35 00:02:49.080 --> 00:02:53.360 time to time fine wine and a nice restaurant, but that's usually the chef 36 00:02:53.400 --> 00:02:58.400 for the owner or the smalier come into our tasting room really like the wine 37 00:02:58.439 --> 00:03:00.199 and they want to have it in their restaurant. So other than that, 38 00:03:00.439 --> 00:03:06.400 you won't find it anywhere else. A hidden gem that I'm exploring for everyone 39 00:03:06.479 --> 00:03:10.159 here. So tell me see what is your first memory relevant to wine? 40 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:15.240 Wow? Okay, So I grew up in upstate New York in the Finger 41 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:22.240 Lakes region, and I guess my very first memory is not as significant. 42 00:03:22.280 --> 00:03:27.159 But we always had wine at the table for big you know, Christmas East 43 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:30.319 or whatever, and my parents always made sure that the kids had a little 44 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:35.919 glass. I could still picture those little tiny glasses we had with little wine, 45 00:03:35.919 --> 00:03:38.599 which we didn't particularly enjoy, but it was part of the event. 46 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:43.719 But then when I got a little bit older, and I'm probably dating myself. 47 00:03:43.719 --> 00:03:46.039 But when I was growing up, the drinking age in New York was 48 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:55.080 eighteen years and you know, it was a flexible number. So my girlfriend 49 00:03:55.120 --> 00:03:59.639 when I was in high school worked at the old Gold Seal Winery on Quk 50 00:03:59.759 --> 00:04:03.080 Lake, and I was, I don't know, sixteen seventeen years old, 51 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:05.199 and I would go up and sit at the end of the bar while she 52 00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:09.120 was pouring for all the customers, and she would always make sure my glass 53 00:04:09.199 --> 00:04:13.479 was full. So that's kind of my real initial memory of drinking wine. 54 00:04:13.599 --> 00:04:17.079 Well, so when you were legally allowed to drink and obviously moved on behind 55 00:04:17.079 --> 00:04:21.959 beyond the what someone would pour in your glass, is there a particular wine 56 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:26.040 that stands out? One of those memorable wines? It was an AHA moment 57 00:04:26.279 --> 00:04:29.920 for whatever reason, it was an AHA moment. But what is that wine? 58 00:04:29.959 --> 00:04:33.560 And what did it kind of awaken you? So I've got two of 59 00:04:33.600 --> 00:04:35.879 those, and if I'm rambling, just cut me off and I'll go on 60 00:04:35.959 --> 00:04:42.519 to your next question. So the first, I mean, there's always wine 61 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:47.000 around. And I was fortunate at an early point in my career to work 62 00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:55.680 in Tokyo and we were at a business dinner at Spago's in Tokyo. And 63 00:04:56.680 --> 00:04:59.639 again, I'm a kid from upstate New York. So somebody gave me the 64 00:04:59.680 --> 00:05:01.439 wine list and said pick a wine, and I picked the cheapest wine on 65 00:05:01.480 --> 00:05:05.920 the list because it was expensive and I'm just a upstate New York head. 66 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:10.920 One of the other guys said give me that. He takes the wine list 67 00:05:10.920 --> 00:05:13.759 away and he ordered the wine, the most expensive one. I look, 68 00:05:14.279 --> 00:05:16.399 it wasn't the most expensive, but it was a very nice wine, and 69 00:05:16.439 --> 00:05:20.160 it was Italian wine. I don't remember the brand, but that was an 70 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:24.560 AHA moment. I was like, oh my gosh, because I mind had 71 00:05:24.600 --> 00:05:27.839 been around forever, and of course Upstate New work wine at the time was 72 00:05:27.879 --> 00:05:33.439 a little rough. I just was astounded. I couldn't believe how wonderful the 73 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:39.360 wine was, and the food was wonderful and it was great. So that's 74 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:45.000 kind of the first one. The second one wasn't an AHA moment in terms 75 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:49.199 of oh my god, wine's great. It was an AHA moment for me 76 00:05:49.639 --> 00:05:56.839 as a consumer. I had read an article back in the day The Wall 77 00:05:56.879 --> 00:06:00.800 Street Journal used to have a wine section. That was before they had their 78 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:03.959 weekend section. On Fridays, they had one article and it was a great 79 00:06:04.040 --> 00:06:08.160 article. It was written by a couple, but I think predominantly the wife 80 00:06:08.360 --> 00:06:12.839 did most of the writing. I think she's still doing it today. And 81 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:16.519 she wrote about Barolos and you know, the King of Wines, and just 82 00:06:16.639 --> 00:06:23.199 these flowery, wonderful article about Barolos. And I'd never heard of Barolo before. 83 00:06:24.079 --> 00:06:27.879 This is probably in the early nineties. So on the way home from 84 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:30.399 work, I went but there was a really nice wine store on the way 85 00:06:30.439 --> 00:06:34.879 home, and I bought a bottle of Barolo. Just couldn't wait, right, 86 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:42.560 So it's a it's a it's a great story because in my mind and 87 00:06:42.680 --> 00:06:48.040 at the time, we predominantly drank napacabernets, which were much less expensive back 88 00:06:48.040 --> 00:06:50.920 then than they are now. But it was so for me that was red 89 00:06:50.920 --> 00:06:56.079 wine. It was napacabernet in that taste profile, and I was just locked 90 00:06:56.120 --> 00:07:00.959 into that wine. Brolos not that at all, which you know, and 91 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:04.879 I can see you smiling and nodding your head here your listeners can't see. 92 00:07:05.240 --> 00:07:10.360 But so we get home and I opened up this bottle and I'm thinking, 93 00:07:10.360 --> 00:07:14.519 this is going to be the biggest, baddest Napa cab that I ever had 94 00:07:14.519 --> 00:07:17.639 in my life. But it comes from Italy, and we my wife and 95 00:07:17.639 --> 00:07:21.240 I made this great meal and we sat down to drink the wine and I 96 00:07:21.279 --> 00:07:26.639 took a sip and I was like, huh, this is terrible, right, 97 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:29.879 Well, it's not terrible, Pearls one of the great wines of the 98 00:07:29.920 --> 00:07:33.959 world. But I couldn't get out of my own way mentally, but I 99 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:38.720 didn't say anything. My wife sipped it and she said, oh my god, 100 00:07:38.759 --> 00:07:40.720 this is the best wine I ever had in my life. And I 101 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:44.000 looked at her, like, are you crazy. By the time we got 102 00:07:44.040 --> 00:07:46.600 to the end of that bottle, I was like, she's right. And 103 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:51.399 the problem was my preconceived notion about what that wine should taste like initially ruined 104 00:07:51.439 --> 00:07:57.240 it for me. And if my wife hadn't had an open mind and made 105 00:07:57.240 --> 00:08:01.079 me rethink how I was thinking, I would have miss well. So, 106 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:03.639 if we were to come to your home today, what kind of wines would 107 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:09.279 we find in your cellar or in your closet or in your refrigerator. You 108 00:08:09.279 --> 00:08:11.560 would find a lot of different wines. You would find some Barolos, definitely, 109 00:08:13.879 --> 00:08:18.000 we have some an array of French wines. We have a lot of 110 00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:22.519 pastoroblus wines because we live here in Pastorovlis and our friends make wine too, 111 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:28.639 and so there's there's quite a bit of wines in there. What you may 112 00:08:28.680 --> 00:08:33.440 not find much of which is kind of strange as white wines. Both of 113 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:39.039 my wife and I love white wine, but we never seem to buy it 114 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:41.200 when we go out. If we're at a wine or, we will buy 115 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:46.919 white wine, but it doesn't get into the wine cellar. And when it 116 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:50.320 does, they'd get we'd drink them before we can replenish them. Where the 117 00:08:50.360 --> 00:08:52.120 reds, you know, you get them in there, you want to save 118 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:54.440 them for a long time and all that. So there's a bunch of reds 119 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:58.320 there, but we're just a little short on white wine, and it always 120 00:08:58.320 --> 00:09:00.440 seems to be the case. Well, it sounds like you're d a lot 121 00:09:00.480 --> 00:09:03.480 of them. So I'm wondering if there is a particular wine you opened last 122 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:09.559 night or recently that drink really well. And maybe it was the white wine 123 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:13.759 you finished off in your house, I don't know, or maybe it was 124 00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:16.159 a red Yeah, it was well last night, it was a red wine. 125 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:18.879 It's a little chilly here in Passo this time of year, so I 126 00:09:18.919 --> 00:09:22.960 tend to drink more reds when it's cold, and it was our GSM which 127 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:28.840 you tasted yesterday. It's actually an MSG. So for people, if I'm 128 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:35.000 throwing jargon around, GSM stands for Granash, Sarah and move Vedro, which 129 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:41.320 is a very common blend here in pastor Ovlis, and it mimics the classic 130 00:09:41.360 --> 00:09:46.399 shfton of the pop blends, which are predominantly those three grapes. The one 131 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:52.720 we drank that I made several years ago is an MSG, meaning that the 132 00:09:52.960 --> 00:09:56.320 highest concentration of the three grapes is move vedra. Right, we're not speaking 133 00:09:56.320 --> 00:10:01.519 about that sodium thing that they put in food an Yeah, and what was 134 00:10:01.519 --> 00:10:07.519 the vintage of the wine? Was a twenty nineteen Okay, So I'm wondering 135 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:13.919 do you think there is a such thing as a perfect variety? I mean, 136 00:10:13.960 --> 00:10:16.360 you're just talking now about doing a blend. Do you think there's a 137 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:26.799 perfect variety. I'm more in like a lot of different varieties. At the 138 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:28.480 short time you've come to know me, you know, I'm like all over 139 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:31.600 the place, and I don't like to be constrained, and I like to 140 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:35.919 try new things and do different things. So I'm and you could tell our 141 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:41.480 vineyards. I mean, economically, it doesn't make perfect sense. But we 142 00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:46.519 have probably fifteen different rials on two small vineyards. That's a lot. So 143 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:52.679 several of the blocks are an acre and a quarter. Right, So I'm 144 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:54.840 sure the commercial winemakers that listen to that go, that guy's a nut. 145 00:10:56.279 --> 00:10:58.919 Right, you should have five ten acre blocks and just go at that. 146 00:11:00.279 --> 00:11:03.799 Well, I make a lot of different skis because I like to make a 147 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:09.120 lot of different wines, and so that's how I planted it. Yeah, 148 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:13.799 so perfection is not the key in one variety. It's it's about the beauty 149 00:11:13.840 --> 00:11:18.759 that you can get through blends, different grapes and everything. So my question 150 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:22.000 for you is this, if space aliens were to land on your property right 151 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:28.480 now, which of your wines would you want to welcome them with? I 152 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:35.960 would probably go are they friendly or evil? Let's go friendly, okay, 153 00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:41.159 because if they're evil, I'm sure you're not sharing your wine. Yeah. 154 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:43.559 Well, if they're evil, them I need to bribe them so you know 155 00:11:43.240 --> 00:11:46.240 they get terribless. So if they're friendly, I'd i'd walk them through the 156 00:11:46.279 --> 00:11:50.080 list, you know, I would just take them back in the barrel room 157 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:54.919 and we'd work our way through so they could try everything to see what fits 158 00:11:54.960 --> 00:11:58.960 their palette. If they were evil, I'd give them this one that I 159 00:11:58.080 --> 00:12:03.039 just gave you, which is we call it keras, which is a Greek 160 00:12:03.080 --> 00:12:11.320 word that means grace. And it's a blend of Sarah, Cabernet, Cabernet 161 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:20.679 Frank and temporneo. So um, it's complex, it's deep, it takes 162 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:24.320 a little bit of time to think about. And so if they're evil, 163 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:28.240 maybe that'll slow them down a little and let the rest of us run away 164 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:31.919 or something I don't know, maybe flip into our side. Right. So, 165 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:35.559 um, you know I asked you a second ago about perfect variety kind 166 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:39.679 of thing. We're talking about wines that you know you would want to entice 167 00:12:39.679 --> 00:12:43.519 a customer with. And I'm curious. You know a lot of people are 168 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:46.399 driven by scores. That's how they kind of find wines and things like that. 169 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:52.480 What's your opinion on wine critics and scores? Um, boy, it's 170 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:56.519 it depends on what they gave me. So that here's the here's the problem. 171 00:12:56.759 --> 00:13:01.639 The good thing about scores they make it easy as a consumer. My 172 00:13:01.799 --> 00:13:05.600 brother in law, he's like, if it's above ninety and below fifty bucks, 173 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:11.799 that's in his wheelhouse. Right. The problem is you people should and 174 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:16.559 one of the fun things about wine is discovering what your own palette is and 175 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:22.720 what resonates with you. That doesn't necessarily mean it resonates with the person who 176 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:31.120 scored the wine. And you have to recognize that if it's a big publication, 177 00:13:31.360 --> 00:13:37.039 they really need to have wines that their customers can find, right. 178 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:43.440 So we don't really fit into that category because we're not You're not going to 179 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:48.159 walk into a store and you know, Texas or Florida and find find our 180 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:54.120 wine. So they those big publications need to have wines that their customers. 181 00:13:54.440 --> 00:13:56.960 It does you no good to read about it and when you can't get it 182 00:13:58.279 --> 00:14:01.799 right. So they want to have things that their customers can find. So 183 00:14:01.039 --> 00:14:05.480 they provide a great service to the broad array of the wine making community. 184 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:11.200 But at some point I think you have to start defining your own palette and 185 00:14:11.360 --> 00:14:16.759 understand what you really like in You need to be adventuresome. You got to 186 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:20.440 go out and taste new things and try different things. Like my example about 187 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:22.559 drinking the barrawl. It was a great one, right. I had it 188 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:26.559 in my head what wine's supposed to be, and that kept me from really 189 00:14:26.679 --> 00:14:31.559 understanding what turned out to be one of my favorite wines in the world. 190 00:14:31.679 --> 00:14:35.320 So absolutely, well, you know you said wine has to resonate with you 191 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:39.840 and to be an open mind. So taking out what you make you as 192 00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:46.240 a wine drinker, one answer, one word question answer, red white rose, 193 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:56.639 all still are sparkling. Both everybody answered the same way. How many 194 00:14:56.679 --> 00:15:00.799 people feel that way? I mean, you know it's a I limit yourself, 195 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:03.440 right, and it's what's the weather, like, what's your mood, 196 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:05.559 like, what's your wife's mood? What food are you eating? You know, 197 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:09.799 how how great was your day at work or how bad was your day 198 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:13.000 at work? With that all different wines. Well, speaking of what you're 199 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:15.879 eating, how do you feel about pairing food and wine. Do you think 200 00:15:15.919 --> 00:15:18.120 there are hard and fast rules that one should follow white wine and fish, 201 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:24.120 red wine and you know meat, or do you take a little more come 202 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:28.919 what may in different approach or a more systematic approach. So the hard and 203 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:33.519 fast rules are there, and they're useful, but of course I like to 204 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:41.679 break the rules. So fish salmon with a really nice grenache or peanot noir, 205 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:43.879 and yeah that one of those are white wines, but they're fabulous with 206 00:15:45.080 --> 00:15:48.759 a salmon or a swordfish, right, So, and there's the other you 207 00:15:48.879 --> 00:15:54.639 know, like foods from like places. So if you think about a really 208 00:15:54.840 --> 00:16:00.879 nice Italian meal that Italian wines go with, then you know why. Well, 209 00:16:00.919 --> 00:16:06.000 it's because for centuries they've been going along together and figuring that out right, 210 00:16:06.080 --> 00:16:08.519 So you can take advantage of that knowledge base. There are other things 211 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:15.080 like acid and food and acid or acid or lack thereof, and the wine 212 00:16:15.159 --> 00:16:19.600 that's worth thinking about when you're pairing. So yes, the rules are helpful, 213 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:25.919 but you shouldn't be afraid to break them. So for someone who hasn't 214 00:16:25.960 --> 00:16:29.600 had the pleasure to taste for lanterns wines, yet, what do you think 215 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:37.480 they're missing out on? Balance? The wines are very balanced. We work 216 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:44.480 very hard at them. We're very diligent about them. And we get people 217 00:16:44.519 --> 00:16:47.360 coming into the winery and they you know, they drink the wine and they 218 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:49.240 go it's you know, you're an artist, and I it's you know, 219 00:16:49.799 --> 00:16:55.559 maybe an artisan, but an artist is different. Um, A lot of 220 00:16:55.799 --> 00:17:03.000 making wine is just pure hard work and being diligent and paying attention to the 221 00:17:03.159 --> 00:17:10.519 minute details. So I think all of that, the passion we put into 222 00:17:10.640 --> 00:17:15.720 it comes through in the wine. So you talk about balance and being really 223 00:17:15.799 --> 00:17:22.680 attentive to detail, and you own your own estates state vineyards and you live 224 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:27.039 on your property or very close to it, And I'm curious, you know 225 00:17:27.279 --> 00:17:32.880 you spend time in the vineyard. What do you feel We know every vintage 226 00:17:32.920 --> 00:17:37.279 tells a different story, but do you feel that you see more similator similarity 227 00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:41.400 year to year or more different creation from year to year? What do you 228 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:45.519 kind of witness as you've been spending time in your vineyard over these years? 229 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:51.640 Well, passo, Well, I guess all wine regions are like this. 230 00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:55.680 Year to year can be significantly different. We had a huge heat spike. 231 00:17:56.400 --> 00:18:00.000 Writers are going to harvest last year and that has a significant impact on wine, 232 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:03.920 how you make the wine when you decide to pick the grapes. Um. 233 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:07.759 This year, we've got a huge amount of water, so that's going 234 00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:12.559 to change how we treat the vines in the vineyard as it comes closer and 235 00:18:12.640 --> 00:18:18.240 closer to fall. Um. Some years we might get an earlier frost and 236 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:21.759 you've got to make sure you get your fruit in before that happens. M 237 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:26.960 So And I'm sorry, Yeah, early frost and harvested early frost in the 238 00:18:27.039 --> 00:18:30.559 spring is okay. Late late frost in the spring is a disaster. So 239 00:18:32.279 --> 00:18:37.599 um so it's it's different every year. Um. I think one of the 240 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:44.160 nice things about Passo and probably California as a whole, is that, by 241 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:48.640 and large, even though we focus on the minutia, that the weather patterns 242 00:18:48.680 --> 00:18:52.559 are not horrible. It's it's not like you're in Bordeaux and there's a hailstorm 243 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:56.119 in the middle of the summer that wipes out half your crop. Um So, 244 00:18:59.160 --> 00:19:03.599 yeah, it could, but it just hasn't yet. So yes, 245 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:07.960 we're all very sensitive to the differences vintage to vintage. But I think we're 246 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:14.720 pretty fortunate here that some of the major weather issues that other regents face are 247 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:18.480 kind of mitigated by this nice little area that we live in. And when 248 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:22.079 you're walking through your vines and your vineyards, do you talk to your vines? 249 00:19:22.200 --> 00:19:26.680 What sort of relationship do you have with them? I? Well, 250 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:32.799 yes, but it's more. I remember when we first bought the vineyard, 251 00:19:33.279 --> 00:19:37.200 there were a lot of kind of scraggy lee trees out there because the prior 252 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:45.960 owners just you know, as time went on, they had less energy and 253 00:19:47.640 --> 00:19:51.480 they put less effort into taking care of those little things. So when I 254 00:19:51.559 --> 00:19:53.400 bought it, I had to go and kind of catch up. So when 255 00:19:53.440 --> 00:19:59.119 you're taking a tree out of a vineyard, you've got to drop that tree 256 00:19:59.240 --> 00:20:02.240 perfectly between in the rose or you're going to wipe out a lot of vines. 257 00:20:02.279 --> 00:20:07.200 All right, So if if I wasn't quite perfect and I kind of 258 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:10.480 smashed a couple of vines, I would apologize, Sam, really sorry. 259 00:20:10.599 --> 00:20:15.680 Guys, don't we feel bad? You know? So you have a little 260 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:18.039 rapport with your vines. Yeah, they don't talk back much, you know, 261 00:20:18.200 --> 00:20:22.880 but yeah I talk to them. That's good. And are there any 262 00:20:22.400 --> 00:20:26.640 good luck rituals that you have established that you do at the start of harvest 263 00:20:26.839 --> 00:20:36.319 or maybe at the end? I don't know, m I don't think really. 264 00:20:36.839 --> 00:20:41.880 I mean, there are things we do, like we completely powerwash and 265 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:45.799 clean everything. But I think that's a normal thing that people's a ritual. 266 00:20:47.039 --> 00:20:49.079 It is kind of a ritual. It's prepping. I must think of you 267 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:52.480 know, you think of surgeons be where they go in they wash everything, 268 00:20:52.559 --> 00:20:56.079 their hands and everything like that. We wash everything. And so one thing 269 00:20:56.160 --> 00:21:02.960 we have done recently which is kind of fun um they're say company out of 270 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:08.000 France that has isolated some of the native yeasts that people talk about when they 271 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:14.559 talk about natural fermentation. There's there are yeasts that kind of initiate a fermentation, 272 00:21:14.599 --> 00:21:18.880 they can't finish it because they are relatively intolerant to higher alcohol levels. 273 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:23.680 So you need I don't want to be too geeky, but sacrimica servesia to 274 00:21:23.960 --> 00:21:29.599 get you know, past four or five percent alcohol. But there are other 275 00:21:30.599 --> 00:21:38.519 call them local or yeasts that are more sensitive to alcohol. So they actually 276 00:21:38.920 --> 00:21:45.079 isolated those and propagated those. So the nice thing about that is that that 277 00:21:45.279 --> 00:21:52.519 can help crowd out spoiler yeast and spoilers bacteria. So the last few years, 278 00:21:52.079 --> 00:21:57.839 after we clean and sanitize everything, we'll go through and spray it all 279 00:21:59.559 --> 00:22:03.240 with the yeah, a little yeast party. Yeah yeah, So it doesn't 280 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:06.920 make the you know, the stainless steel looks a little smudgy, but I 281 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:10.920 think it's actually better that way. So see, when you were a little 282 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:12.960 boy, what did you want to be when you grew up? Thurman Munson 283 00:22:15.359 --> 00:22:18.279 so for those of you don't know, he was catcher for the New York 284 00:22:18.359 --> 00:22:26.880 Yankees because and when you realized you couldn't be another existing person, what did 285 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:29.119 you want to do. Yeah, I couldn't hit the curve. That was 286 00:22:29.200 --> 00:22:33.839 the problem. But I did play catcher. So what did I want to 287 00:22:33.839 --> 00:22:37.200 be? So I had a whole different career. This is this is really 288 00:22:37.240 --> 00:22:41.200 a second career for me. I started out as a little junior trader on 289 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:44.880 Wall Street, and then I became a bond trader and a bond salesman, 290 00:22:44.960 --> 00:22:48.920 and then I worked for a big company, Pimco's money management firm. So 291 00:22:49.319 --> 00:22:53.680 I had a whole different career. And then you know, at thirty years 292 00:22:53.680 --> 00:22:56.519 ago, and that's enough, and I decided I want to do something else. 293 00:22:56.599 --> 00:23:00.559 And here I am working with your hands. Yes, And I'll tell 294 00:23:00.559 --> 00:23:06.480 you so, people who are familiar with the financial world know that a large 295 00:23:06.559 --> 00:23:08.160 portion of your pay is at the bonus at the end of the year. 296 00:23:10.519 --> 00:23:14.119 And I would always wear you know, this is a very the place that 297 00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:18.279 were you know, cufflenks, buttoned down white shirts, ever, very formal 298 00:23:18.119 --> 00:23:22.920 suits. And I would always wear a blue shirt. Yeah. Well, 299 00:23:22.960 --> 00:23:26.839 my boss said to me, he goes, you know, every year you 300 00:23:26.920 --> 00:23:27.799 wear a blue shirt, And I go, yeah, I don't want to 301 00:23:27.799 --> 00:23:30.799 forget my blue collar roots because if this doesn't work out, I know where 302 00:23:30.839 --> 00:23:36.000 I'm going. So when you're not working, how do you like to spend 303 00:23:36.079 --> 00:23:40.799 your free time. I don't have much. We just went skiing. I 304 00:23:40.960 --> 00:23:45.720 love to ski. And that's kind of nice because if you for winemakers, 305 00:23:45.799 --> 00:23:48.839 you're you know, you're ramping up through the summer to get ready for harvest. 306 00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:52.359 Then harvest happens and that's a seven day a week, you know, 307 00:23:52.519 --> 00:23:57.920 twelve to sixteen hours a day for three or four months, which kind of 308 00:23:59.160 --> 00:24:03.559 you know, you get everything barreled down right as you're going into the holidays. 309 00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:10.240 Um, and so you finally get to take a breath around early January, 310 00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:12.880 just in time a great time to go skiing. Oh my gosh. 311 00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:15.839 It's so it's it's kind of like we always have this, my wife and 312 00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:18.319 I. You know, we're gonna go skiing, and you know, at 313 00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:21.039 the end of harvest, you know, we get to the house, we're 314 00:24:21.039 --> 00:24:22.720 gonna go skiing, and we always look forward to that as a way of 315 00:24:22.920 --> 00:24:26.319 you know, it's not that I don't love my job, but at the 316 00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:29.839 end of harvest, you're just tired and sore. It's time to do something 317 00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:33.559 else. Absolutely. So, you mentioned that you were a catcher and you 318 00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:37.400 had wanted to be a baseball player. At one point, Um, do 319 00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:41.160 you still are you still a big fan of the Mets? Did you say 320 00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:48.680 Yankee? Sorry? Oh big New York football. Sorry, there's people in 321 00:24:48.759 --> 00:24:55.640 the background cringing here, didn't mean offend, But are you still biging? 322 00:24:56.240 --> 00:24:57.559 Is there another team that you're a big fan of these days? In another 323 00:24:57.599 --> 00:25:02.400 sport? So? Actually, for me, I stopped playing baseball and switched 324 00:25:02.440 --> 00:25:06.599 to lacrosse because I'm from New York and lacross is a big sport in New 325 00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:08.519 York and my high school that was kind of the big sport in my high 326 00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:14.960 school. So I played lacrosse in college and so completely left the whole baseball 327 00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:18.359 thing. And I was a big Yankees fan, but you know, I 328 00:25:18.400 --> 00:25:22.359 haven't lived in New York in a long time, and it's just not loyal, 329 00:25:22.599 --> 00:25:26.839 even though you've left the coast. Well, if anybody's gonna win, 330 00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:29.480 I wanted to be the Yankees, but I really don't spend much time watching 331 00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:32.839 baseball. And we'll think about the World Series in the middle of harvest. 332 00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:34.599 I can't watch the World Series, right. Well, let's say the Yankees 333 00:25:34.599 --> 00:25:37.839 were to win the World Series, which of your wines would you want to 334 00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:42.200 gift them with, oh, sparkling wine. Of course your do you make 335 00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:47.640 a sparkling wine? And what tell me about that wine? It's kind of 336 00:25:47.720 --> 00:25:53.039 fun so the as a lot of your listeners, I'm sure know that the 337 00:25:53.440 --> 00:26:00.640 three dominant grapes in champagne are Chardonnay, Peino noir, and yeah, I 338 00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:04.720 hope I pronounced that correctly. Well, I don't grow any of those, 339 00:26:06.160 --> 00:26:12.400 but enna is kind of similar to chardonnay in terms of you know, acidity 340 00:26:12.599 --> 00:26:17.359 and heft, if you will. It's not a really great wine word, 341 00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:21.920 but I just used it anyhow. But anyhow, I thought, maybe I'll 342 00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:26.039 make a sparkling Vienna. And we did, you know, the method Champinwah. 343 00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:30.519 We did the traditional way of making it. We aged it for two 344 00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:36.799 years on the lease, and interestingly zero dosage, meaning we didn't put any 345 00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:41.920 residual sugar, which a lot of people know that Normally in a in a 346 00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:47.400 bottle of sparkling wine or champagne, there's probably five to fifteen grams if you're 347 00:26:47.440 --> 00:26:52.240 in the brute or extra brute range of residual sugar. So ours is zero, 348 00:26:53.680 --> 00:26:57.759 so very crisp clean. You get a little bit of that Riochnis from 349 00:26:57.799 --> 00:27:03.920 the slee Aging US. It's a really pretty wine. So so um, 350 00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:08.759 speaking of sparkling wine and just thinking of pretty things. I know you said 351 00:27:08.759 --> 00:27:12.079 you came back from a ski trip with your wife and you have very little 352 00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:15.799 free time. But when you are planning a romantic evening for the two of 353 00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:22.759 you, what kind of wines make for a romantic evening? Lots? Um, 354 00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:33.640 you mean consuming lots of wine. We frequently will have Let's say we're 355 00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:37.119 doing this at home, right, because some restaurants you get multiple wines with 356 00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:40.160 the different food you're have, but we'll you usually have two different wines. 357 00:27:40.519 --> 00:27:48.720 Um, normally a white to start. Frequently it even starts before that. 358 00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:52.759 So it's you know, you get home and you're pulling all this food out 359 00:27:52.759 --> 00:27:55.359 of the refrigerator and you're thinking about what are we going to make and blah 360 00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:57.640 blah blah blahu. So it's it's always fun I have a glass of wine 361 00:27:57.640 --> 00:28:00.519 while you're doing that. You know, it's kind of the anticipation and the 362 00:28:00.640 --> 00:28:07.000 fun of prepping for dinner and thinking about what you're gonna make, and so 363 00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:11.519 that usually goes with a glass of white wine. Um. For us, 364 00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:18.680 it's either peakpool blanc or vigna mostly, um, it could be sparkling wine. 365 00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:26.799 And then if we're doing some kind of appetizer, we may continue with 366 00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:30.039 that same wine or we may switch to another one. Out for your people 367 00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:33.079 who are listening, they're like, oh my gosh, how much money you're 368 00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:36.599 gonna spen on wine or anything. But you've got to realize that, you 369 00:28:36.680 --> 00:28:38.759 know, we get done at the tasting room and there's all these half empty 370 00:28:38.839 --> 00:28:42.440 bottles from the day, so we can choose, you know, any one 371 00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:45.920 of those to take. We're swimming in wine, and you know, if 372 00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:49.519 you've got a third of a bottle to get two glasses out of that to 373 00:28:49.680 --> 00:28:53.160 just sip on while you're figuring out what you're gonna eat, it's great. 374 00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:57.519 And then, um, of course, if it's back to your early question, 375 00:28:57.559 --> 00:29:00.720 if it's a meat or a heavier food, will switch to rat at 376 00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:04.119 some point. Now, well, it sounds like any night you come home 377 00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:07.559 with open bottles from the tasting room makes for a romantic evening. Yeah, 378 00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:11.279 it's kind of nice. And we do. I mean, we have so 379 00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:14.480 much fun just coming home and baking and cooking and doing that. Well, 380 00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:18.119 I'm not baking, cooking not baking, but it really is fun. So 381 00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:22.519 I'm wondering, when you look back at your life in your career, is 382 00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:26.920 there a piece of advice that someone once gave you that you sort of carry 383 00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:33.599 with you and how to work, how to live, how to enjoy. 384 00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:38.680 I keep saying, oh, I shouldn't do that, but I'm not sure 385 00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:41.920 it's a piece of advice. But I have a good friend here is a 386 00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:48.039 chef in town, and we have this, you know, this ongoing joke 387 00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:52.839 that comes up all the time because people always ask him for recipes. I've 388 00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:56.799 never seen him look at a recipe. The guy is a rock star, 389 00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:00.240 but I've never seen him look at a recipe. And but people, you 390 00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:04.839 know, they'll have a meal that he's made for some event or something and 391 00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:07.960 they'll ask him for a recipe, and he says, it's it's a lifestyle. 392 00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:14.480 It's not a recipe. That's pretty much it right there. So it's 393 00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:17.720 the same with us. And people ask me about you know, they I've 394 00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:21.039 heard people say recipe and referring to wine, they say, oh, they 395 00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:22.799 change the recipe, and I'm like, it's not really a recipe, it's 396 00:30:22.839 --> 00:30:27.839 a lifestyle. And so you know, it's the ideas you live the life 397 00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:36.480 that you want to live, and then things like the you know, the 398 00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:41.799 lack of financial reward for running a winery don't matter anymore because the reward is 399 00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:48.559 and how you live. So it's a lifestyle. So be present and enjoy 400 00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:52.759 life as what you have, not what you want. Well want what you 401 00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:56.599 have. I mean that's true, Yeah, very true. So when you 402 00:30:56.039 --> 00:31:00.200 look back at your career, and it could be at any point in your 403 00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:03.559 career and in previous lives, what would you say is one of your proudest 404 00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:14.359 achievements to date? It's a long story. So I worked with in my 405 00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:17.759 prior I can tell you a wine story I told I think I told it 406 00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:21.319 to you yesterday actually, But in my prior life and my financial life, 407 00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:25.799 I worked with a and I don't want to say who it is, but 408 00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:33.480 it's a large union's retirement plan. Okay, so national, very large pool 409 00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:40.160 of money. And as we were going into the financial crisis, the real 410 00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:48.279 estate crash, I had convinced them, convinced the board to move into kind 411 00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:56.599 of a new and different financial investment and better than lucky than smart, it 412 00:31:56.720 --> 00:32:01.400 actually paid off extremely well in the real estate crash and in the middle of 413 00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:07.759 the crash. I went to them and said it's time to sell this and 414 00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:10.440 they didn't want to because everything else was going down, you know, and 415 00:32:10.519 --> 00:32:15.079 they were having a very difficult time financially, and you know, they're responsible 416 00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:21.279 for paying pensions for all these Oh I can't say what the workers did, 417 00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:25.920 but for all these workers. So anyhow, I convinced them, not just 418 00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:30.440 me. I brought other people from our firm into to switch into a portfolio 419 00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:37.440 that actually contained mortgage backed securities, which was a dirty word in the investment 420 00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:42.880 community at the time. And they did, and we all know in hindsight 421 00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:47.839 that polarised mortgage backed securities did extremely well coming back on the backside of that 422 00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:55.839 recession. And the two of the trustees took me aside and they said, 423 00:32:55.920 --> 00:33:01.599 who saved our plan. So when I think back about that and all all 424 00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:06.720 those people that you've saved in a way, well, I didn't save them, 425 00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:10.839 but I helped them retire a little better. And that's that's kind of 426 00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:15.279 a nice thing. So that's my that's not my wine story, but that 427 00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:17.079 stuff. But when you look back in your life, I mean, you 428 00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:21.640 know, proudest achievement, and I say it has to be worker life because 429 00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:23.640 most people say, oh, my kids are, oh my successful, you 430 00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:28.880 know, marriage or something, which is an achievement in itself. But I 431 00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:34.559 don't look at my kids as an achievement. They are who they are. 432 00:33:34.680 --> 00:33:37.440 So you want me to tell the wine one. Yeah, I know. 433 00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:42.759 I told you I ramble at um and I told it to you yesterday that 434 00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:49.720 there's a woman that comes into the winery who's just staff favorite. Everybody loves 435 00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:54.000 her. She's eighty early eighties. Her kids are wonderful, her grandkids are 436 00:33:54.039 --> 00:34:00.079 wonderful. They all come into the winery from time to time. And we 437 00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:04.599 have this reserve wine that it's a reserve Merlau. We have a couple different 438 00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:07.200 reserves, but the reserve Merlou. So she came in, and of course 439 00:34:07.240 --> 00:34:10.039 I'm going to any wine we have, I'll pour for her. So I 440 00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:14.800 opened it up and poured it for her, and she broke into tears. 441 00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:19.800 But let me see if I can get you to cry. I could if 442 00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:22.320 I tell you that Storry. Okay, we're sitting at a table here, 443 00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:27.400 and there's an empty seat at the table. Who from any walk of life, 444 00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:32.599 famous or not famous, would you want to be sharing a bottle of 445 00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:37.760 four land terns wine with alive. It's up to you. Well, okay, 446 00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:46.199 let's exclude family members, because that would be a layup anyone, any 447 00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:58.159 walk up life. I don't know. I'm going to say, like a 448 00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:05.840 weird but yet obvious Einstein, because that's freaky hair, right, and I 449 00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:07.280 give him, Actually, this wine would be great for him that I gave 450 00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:12.280 you, um just because it's like a weird and different wine, and just 451 00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:20.360 I haven't gone this is good. So I want you to complete this sentence 452 00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:30.559 for me. A table without wine is like a sauna without a shower. 453 00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:36.719 I don't know what what do you want me to say? Wow? You 454 00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:40.519 without sunshine? I mean, I'm like, let's Steve. I mean, 455 00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:45.760 I really don't know where to go after that answer. No, but you 456 00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:49.760 have been great. We are almost finished. I've got two questions left for 457 00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:52.239 you. One is the little game we're gonna play, as I warned you 458 00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:59.320 about at the beginning, because we know that wine and music pair well together. 459 00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:04.760 They fit moods and they change our sort of mood. And I'm curious, 460 00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:07.079 based on some of your wines that we've spoken about and that you produce, 461 00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:12.119 if you can pair them with music. So to start with, you 462 00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:15.239 said, you make a sparkling Vonnie, tell me what would you want to 463 00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:25.840 listen to? Probably like a classic rock female singer. You know, maybe 464 00:36:28.519 --> 00:36:32.480 I don't want to say Joni Mitchell, but yeah, in that Joni Mitchell, 465 00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:37.159 Linda Ronstadt, somebody like that. Yeah, that'd be kind of like 466 00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:44.199 so well, Linda ron said, the voice is just like wow, but 467 00:36:44.360 --> 00:36:47.519 it makes you feel you know, you can it almost resonates inside of you. 468 00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:52.880 It's kind of cool. What about you mentioned that if you were going 469 00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:54.639 to start a meal with a white wine, a lot of times it's a 470 00:36:54.679 --> 00:37:00.840 peak pool. So what about Peopol peak pool? I would probably like a 471 00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:06.519 little kind of funky jazz thing. I'd go with that, you know, 472 00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:10.079 a little would pop behind it, a little syncopation, a little bubbly feeling, 473 00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:15.400 even though we're not talking about sparkling anymore. And what about your MSG 474 00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:27.440 wine? Who MSG would be like a eighties country Whale and Jennings type of 475 00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:30.880 thing. Okay, And last but not least, the bottle that I've got 476 00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:35.920 sitting in here, the Kerass, which is the unique blend of cabernet, 477 00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:44.800 Cabernet Frank Sarat and temperaneo, so that one, I'm not sure what the 478 00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:47.440 genre would be, but it'd be quiet and it'd be in the background, 479 00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:52.280 and you'd be sitting by a fire and just sipping the wine and thinking about 480 00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:57.599 life's great things. So I'm gonna sit back, sip the wine by a 481 00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:02.760 fireplace. But meanwhile, I'm curious where in the world. I'm in Pasorobis 482 00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:07.960 so I'm traveling right now, but where in the world is on the top 483 00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:12.639 of your bucket list to go explore wine wise? That's easy because my wife 484 00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:17.880 and I are going to Piedmonte in about five weeks, so we're gonna actually 485 00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:24.320 go taste the barolo in Barolo. That sounds pretty amazing. Last question, 486 00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:32.159 deserted island, three wines? What would you take? Okay Um, I 487 00:38:32.239 --> 00:38:40.320 would take our sparkling just because it's a deserted island Garash, I love just 488 00:38:42.159 --> 00:38:50.639 a light, beautiful garnosh. And then does Kognac count? Sure Cognac because 489 00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:54.519 you're gonna need it. Well, Steve, you've been great. Thank you 490 00:38:54.599 --> 00:38:58.599 for joining us today on wine Soundtrack, And just before we go, if 491 00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:01.440 you can remind listener where they can find you and how they can taste your 492 00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:06.280 wines. Well, if you're lucky enough to be in Pastor Robless, we 493 00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:07.760 are on forty six West, so if you get off the one on one 494 00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:14.960 you head towards the ocean, we're about three miles in. If you want 495 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:17.880 to look for us online, it's for Lanterns Winery dot com. Well great, 496 00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:22.079 so head to pass Robles or go online and Steve, thank you for 497 00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:24.519 joining us today. Oh that was I was nervous, so a lot more 498 00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:27.400 fun than I thought it was going to be. That was great. Thank 499 00:39:27.400 --> 00:39:30.159 you as good to know that. Thank you. 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