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properly, and I'd like to introduce Herrann and Natalie to the show. Oh,
Kerry and Natalie, welcome to the show. Go Thank you so much
for having no so people will wonder what we're laughing it. Don't worry about
it anyway, You've got a show on the Paranormal UK radio network. You've
been with us a couple of months, I believe. How did that come
about? How did you get the name Seventh Semptum? Oh, that was
a journey. So we've actually been running since The Seventh sent to itself has
been probably writing for about since August next year, last year, so I
think it's next year. Time traveling last year and me and cross Pass from
the Paranormal before and we just happened to start talking about Actually I was looking
for a co host because I've been doing some shows by myself and I really
enjoyed it, really struggled a little bit with not bouncing back back and forth
from one and that's when Natalie heard my cry and we got in touch and
we started working together. And yeah, since then, we've been doing shows
fortnightly. Since then, Yeah, I did. I did that for a
while when I was doing them weekly. I called it a co host occasionally
every other a couple of every couple of shows i'd ever, I guess co
host. And I had a couple of ladies working with me and we call
and make it. It's almost a regular thing. And that was Juliet and
it was Sasha and but yeah, but since I've been doing a fortnight,
I've just sort of kept doing it on my own really, so I definitely
needed my right hand woman for this. Definitely has made Seventh Sancts and what
it is now. It's given a little more lot more personality. And Natalie's
got so I've said this before on the shows that we've been interviewed in before.
Nattie's got such an amazing brain. The way that she you thinks is
phenomenal. So there, you've got an amazing brain. I believe it's for
somebody to say my brain is amazing and not weird and crazy, So yeah,
come from it forget to be honest. So have you actually have you
actually met in real life or is this just kind of lock an online friendship
online friendship. It feels like I've known that for a long time. But
yeah, we haven't actually got to meet in person yet. We are hoping
that we're going to be able to get together for a paranormal investigation or even
better, a para meet maybe, but that's something that we're kind of planning
for the back end of this year beginning next year. Seven Sanctums on a
big journey of lots of different projects happening at the moment, and it's about
trying to make that work for both as well. So I think that coming
together really kind of concrete that a bit. So the name Seventh sac Where
does that come from? Harry, It was a bit of a brain far
If I'm honest, it's a bit of a brain far. So I was
kind of just kind of brainstorm with a friend who himself is kind of a
Buddhist in his belief system, and I was thinking, I said, I
really need something really kind of reflective of what I want in terms of a
show. I don't want us to be pigeonholed. I want there to be
so much exploration of everything that is other nurse, but I also wanted to
be a reflection of kind of my ethos and stuff like that, and that's
where the name come from. He was like, what about Seventh Sanctum.
I was like, absolutely amazing, And it seems to work. And I'm
sorry if I'm speaking for you Natalie as well, but it seems to work
quite well with your kind of way of the working, isn't it. Natalie?
Eclectic? Yeah? Eclectic? Yeah, Because I was like when we
started, I was like, I didn't want to be a lot of the
ghost things have the same questions every week, and it's like I just and
because I am a bit eclectic in my thinking, like you say, I've
got a broad range of interests, and I was just like, oh,
can we have healers on and shamans and witches and you know whatever? And
carry was like, yeah, go for it. And I was like,
makes things more interesting. You can ask deeper questions as well, or more
Charlotte questions. Sometimes I'm talking about teating coffee on one of them, I
think, wasn't it. But yeah, it's sort of like so I wanted
to sort of like be able to ask questions that were perhaps a little more
challenging possibly or to present information that people might not really have thought about.
So yeah, we were trying to be like say, eclectic probably is the
best word for it. That's the best way to play. I mean,
I can tell you I never know where this show is going to go to
when I start. I don't really have I don't really ever plan. I'll
just sort of get go. Yeah, just let it go, and as
things come to my head. You probably do the same thing or just sort
well, it's our having a chatter somebody in the pub. You know.
Yeah, we do actually do it because we did that because a couple of
interviews that we've done where I actually have specific questions I wanted to ask,
we actually never got around to it. We ended up talking about something else
and you sort of like have to let the conversation go where it wants,
almost, don't you sometime And yeah, and obviously you probably find the best
guests, so the ones you can just sort of say something to them and
they'll go on their way for about twenty minutes, you know, you could
just sort of sit back and have a couple of team We Yeah, we
do. We do enjoy those guests because it's we I mean, when I
think about some of the people, we've had such a short time, but
we've had Scottish folklore and philosophy, and then we've had lost paganism and believe
So it's there's been lots of really different kind of conversations that we've been having
and it's we're learning something in all the time. But what also is quite
engaging is that it kind of prompts as well more questions from us. O're
the ones that we haven't really thought about. So yes, we loved guests
that love to kind of yeah, go with it because absolutely that's what we're
there therefore, and that's what we want them to use the platform for.
But at the same time, it kind of stretches out kind of boundaries as
well, what we know and what we understand. M hmm. Okay,
let's go into what your backgrounds. I don't know your personal backgrounds, I
mean your paranorl backgrounds. Are either of you psychic or do you want to
go? Yeah, yep, that's what I will. So I am er
Yes, Hello, I am Kerry. I am a trance medium and a
psychic. My roots are in spiritualism. That's when I started doing my development
is spiritual circles and divine services. I used to do those and I sometimes
lend myself to those sometimes as well. When it comes to like a platform
mediumship. But when it comes to the paranormal, I suppose that it was
like a natural gravitation from the spiritualism to the paranormal. In terms of the
physical mediumship and the way that spiritualists measure and interact with spirit, they use
spirit boxes, they use spirit horns, they use divination tools, so it
just seemed to take a natural gravitation. However, my own personal journey with
my belief system has changed massively because of what I've learned through the paranormal,
So my roots do lay there, however, Yeah, it's different now that
I've kind of explored the paranormal a lot more. I've been a paranormal researcher.
I was once a ghost hunter, but a paranormal researcher, and I
started about ten to twelve years ago. And yeah, I started off with
a really really big team, and I've worked with Kerry Greenaway was part of
my team at one point, and yeah, just try it been some to
some amazing locations with some really interesting people. So yeah, that's kind of
what got me into podcasting. I started podcasting with Kerry back when we first
started doing investigating and then, yeah, it's kind of grown from there.
So it would have been the two carries we were we often, if we
guess David, we would call it the Kerry sandwich. Yeah, two carries,
indeed, not the two rones, the two carries. Yeah, yeah,
excellent. I like it. What about you, Natalie? I came
at it from the opposite direction to most people. I guess the ghost came
at the end and not at the beginning. I would say I was psychic,
I guess, although I don't class that as a label for myself.
But I'm intuitive and pathic, I suppose. And I started off my granddad
taught me to douse when I was sixteen, so I got an interest in
lay lines and dowsing from like quite an early age. Didn't do that much
with it in a way, but then I had my dad bought me a
horse when I was sixteen, well a baby. He was only a baby
at the time, and I had him for his entire life, and through
his journey with him and learning healing and that with him, I learned a
lot about spirituality. I became an equine healer equine sports massage, and I
sort of got some equine communication going, but I'm not I'm a bit intermittent
and hit miss with it. So that that's like my psychic background is in
sort of like with the horses more than anything. And with my second horse,
I started having trouble with entities and things like that, so I learned
about the darker side of the paranormal world. Before I learned about ghosts,
and then the ghost came to what was it a couple of years before Lockdown.
I used to work in a pub that was haunted, and I started
watching the ghost programs, the one that shall not be named Ghost Adventures.
They started Most Haunted. That that was a pioneer of it. Never I
hate it in sort Most Haunted, but I've never been able to sit through
an episode of it. My mom watched it, she watched it all the
way through, but I just couldn't. I couldn't. I just couldn't gel
with it. Yeah, I must apologize if anyone's listening for the Most Haunted,
But that was just my personal I just you know, some people like
Coronation Street and some people like, yeah, I've never been able to sit
through Coronation Street. I'm with you all that one. Yeah, it was
to tell you. It was just like I found the Adventures more accessible to
me. Yeah. So I got interested in sort of like the EVPs and
things like that from there, and then one day I was just like,
I don't know if I need to go go something because they're all around me
anyway, because I live in an old area of the UK, so the
spirits everywhere around here, and then I thought, well, I wonder what
it would be like doing a paranormal investigation somewhere that's not at home, whether
the experience would be different. So yeah, I've not done actual investigating as
a team, but I've done gone on paranormal investigations in the local area.
I've not done many, to be fair, but yeah, and it was
an interesting experience actually, because it's sort of like you could be a little
bit less cautious somewhere else than you are at home, Because I mean,
the first ghost on time went on was down the road from me, and
I did get visited by the spirit down the road that night, which is
quite interesting. So I sort of went farther away for the next one.
How do you know? How do you know you got visited? But I
mean because you said you're not really psychic, But well, yeah, I'm
psyched. But I can't turn it on and off the way a lot of
able to, so it tends to come to me when I need it,
rather than me having the ability to switch it on and off. So I
mean, I can be incredibly intuitive, but I don't. I can't do
it on purpose a lot of the time, and every time i've been on
a ghost hunt so far, I've always had a dream dreams afterwards, and
but I this particular one. We went to more of Furnace, which is
one up the raid, and they were doing a Wiedi board and I was
just sort of like, you know, I think, there's the person on
the Wiji board is like a trickster and isn't really telling the truth and everything.
But I was just standing back, so I'm not getting involved in this.
And I got my home and had a dream that night that my goldfish
came up the stairs into my doorway and then barked like a dog. And
it caught me that much that I actually sat up in bed and it woke
me up, and it's like and then I knew there was something there that
wasn't supposed to be there, and that the way it gave me the dream
made me realize that it was the same thing that was talking through the Wiedi
board, because it had the same sort of energy and tone to it.
And I was like, you're a trickster, that's why you were messing about
on the Wiji board And why did everyone up because I was standing there going
yeah, yeah, right, yeah, these questions answers, Yeah, right,
and it's winding you up and it So I do believe that at that
point in time I was visited by the thing because I called it out didn't
like it, so it came and pulled a prank on me. Obviously it
didn't harm you anyway, Just start me yea of me. Well, I
don't know anyone that's ever really been harmed by any spirits or whether they're evil
or I don't know if you're believe in a lot of the demons or that
you keep getting on all the TV shows. I have had entities that are
meant to cause harm, but but that that I think is that's me rather
than because of doing the healing. I tend to attract the slightly the slightly
more nefarious things because of the abilities that I've got to shift them. Whereas
most people that I've spoken to haven't had any any of the experiences I've had.
So I do sort of believe that the majority of the time, for
most people, they are benign. And I tend to find even with the
entities, like you say, if you don't mess them about, they generally
don't bothery it too much. I mean, you can negotiate with most of
them anyway. So I sometimes think, like you say, people have real
problems, it's because they're winding everything up. But but yeah, I mean
the majority of the time, I don't really have a problem. I had.
We did go go something at the King I think it was a King
Edward's school near near me, and that that was I would have said that
wasn't less than positive, because I had like really bad dreams for two days
afterwards and it just like really unsettled me. But I wouldn't have said it
was like negative exactly. It didn't follow me home, but it did have
an effect. But yeah, yeah, sometimes I think when you have these
dreams they're not really dreams. You might be there might be another reality that
you're getting advance off, you know. Yeah, yeah, you can tell
the difference normally with dreams when they're like that. I mean I have had
like psychic attacks in dreams before, and but you can tell because the dream
goes odd and your brain sort of goes, wait a minute, this isn't
my normal dream. There's a bit off about this, And you know,
you do tend to realize after a bit, and like when you're being messed
with. But I mean, like I say, that's just me. So
whether whether the people have the same effect, you know, affected the same
way or not, I don't know, but you'll laugh at this one.
The other I think it's about almost a week ago now, I dreamt that
I swallowed a hammer. Believe it or not. Explain that one. I
don't know. I'm not sure about that one. Something down you through.
But I remember dreaming and asking the doctors have got my body cut to get
this Henry out. It's stupid, crazy dreams. Anyway, I'm sorry.
Well, I'm not leaving you out of it. I just want to ask
you another question about Haley. Now, I've been told by a couple of
hate, by a couple of psychics or mediums of whatever is or that I'm
a healer, but I've never put it to practice. Do you all hands
get very hot? It depends on the energy that I'm shifting and contacting.
Sometimes my hands will feel cold to me and hot to the other person,
or hot to me and cold to the other person, and sometimes they just
like bit tingly so, but I usually they usually find that it depends what
level dimension of energy that I'm working on, and what the person I'm on
with what level their energy is on, is to when my hands are hot
or cold. Yeah, so it does vary. Most people seem to find
like heating their hands, but mine seems to vary. It's a bit of
a non specific question. But yeah, a lot a lot of people have
a healing ability to do healing. Oh yeah, I don't think. I
mean, I said, I don't for myself anything special, but I've never
put it to use anyway. It's just I've been told by a few mediums
I'm a hailer, Well I should, I said, you should use put
it to use, but I never had. So that's that's what I wondered.
Because my hands almost very warm, very hot, you know, even
in the cold, are very warm. So that's it in there waiting to
you know. I mean I used to find it if the energy, if
I'm not doing enough healing work, the energy builds up in my system and
I have to kind of dump it into the ground or send healing generically.
But because you've not chosen to do anything with it, it might just be
the healing energy is there, but it's not been activated, so the potential
is there rather than the actual thing itself maybe, and so that's why your
hands are warm. But if you chose to use it, you might find
that the sensations are different or the feeling is different. Yeah, maybe not
to try it out sometimes. I don't know how. But Kerry, let's
get you back on the show. It's okay. So about some of your
experiences have you? Have you did you ever very young young experiences when you're
in your child wood door anything? Yes, my first ever siting I was
about I was about five years old, and I remember it vividly, and
I lived on a really old house that was close to a really old body
of water. And the house is always always made me. I remember always
feeling uncomfortable in it. And then one night, I'm laying in bed and
next to my bed is a chester drawers, so I can't see above the
chester draws, but I can see my door, which is kind of open,
so I can see the kind of the top of it. And I
heard this creek and I looked and there was someone that walked out of my
mum's room, stood in my doorway and then walked up the hallway. There
was a really old house. I couldn't hear any other footsteps, and when
I looked up, literally seconds there was no one there. And that was
my first experience. So I was always open to the very normal, and
I was always interested in it. I was sixteen sitting up at twelve o'clock
a night watching Most Haunted. Of course I was, and I watched all
the Halloween Lives. But as I got older, I think my first real
bereavement was when I started to go into spirituist churches, and that's kind of
where it come in to itself. Kind of my journey since then is kind
of still having that fascination with spirit, but I'm also I'm also I'm a
psychology graduate. I'm still studying psychology as well, so I'm really interested in
the psyche and the biological natural sponsors that we have to environmental kind of influences
and variables. So it's a real conundrum in me because there's a part of
me that believes spirit is absolutely real, but then there's also the other side
of me that kind of looks at all those different aspects. You know,
when we think about the ancient fear system and kind of what that provokes in
the body for you to have that sensation, having a spirit nearby. At
the same time, when I give readings, I know I have a spirit
when nearby because I have those same kind of sensations, so it's bodily sensations.
So yeah, so that's kind of my kind of path and my real
interest, and at the moment, my interest is looking at, you know,
when we have these big locations that are overly investigated, and the impact
that that has when we go in as paranormal investigators, or we investigating a
location or we investigated that force collective as being perpetuated on it, and looking
at different ways that that can affect and different ways that that can kind of
present as well. So yeah, that's kind of where I'm what I love
and how kind of I got there. My experience that I started five years
old and seeing that whoever it was, standing in my doorway and kind of
walking away. Did you tell you about it at the time, did your
mind? Did your parents know that you were Absolutely? I told my mom
the next morning, I said, there was someone coming out of your bedroom
last night, but you and dad would downstairs and she said, no one
was in No one was in my room. And I was like, oh,
I saw someone. But my mom is an absolute. She is so
scared of anything to do with this. I can't talk about it. I
can't even I asked Alexa once because there you have that little fun app where
you go Alexa is or a ghost around and it gives you a little fun
app and it's nothing. Honestly, it is the best. And my mom
was in the vicinity and she unplugged the Alexa so I couldn't talk about it,
and I still can't. But my mom when she did speak to about
about me when we got older and we moved out of the house, and
she said there was some really weird things that went on in there, even
down to the phone ringing, the landline ringing with and it weren't plugged into
the wall, strong smells of urine throughout the property when there was no reason
for it, disembodied voices, men's voices, there was a lot of that.
So it was a real hotbed. And I have no idea why it
would be that way. But she lived on part of the island that's really
really old, so I just put it down to history. And yeah,
well part of the island you're talking about is we actually live on the same
island, which can be six we've just we we realized about a week or
so ago, didn't we, Yes, we did, maybe we'd have to
get together for the investigations sometime might be old it. It's funny you should
say that, David. I have I've got I'm hopefully having one book at
the end of this month, so I'll keep you updated and let me know.
Yeah, definitely. Yeah, has been washing through it as well,
so perfect all the merry. Yeah, excellent. I'm serious about that.
I think we are considerably that way in clud we will do it absolutely.
Have you ever seen any thing I want you believe in UFOs and things like
that. I'm asking you both then, so you can both ask to get
the ALSWO together. Well, I find the That's what I'm like my mum
in that way where I find the conversation a little bit difficult. I don't
want to know if they do exist. I don't deny that they exist.
Nettie's more open to the conversation and she knows a lot more. I remember
a while ago, me and Kerry had an interview with Reverend John Polk that
was really interesting about the ancient aliens and kind of civilization. And I found
that really fascinating, but I don't often have the conversation, whereas Natalie is
far more yeah, versed in this topic. So I let Natalie take the
floor over to you, Netlie. She makes it sound like I'm an expert,
boy, it's far from more than I. Well, yeah, to
be fair, I mean, although this is only relatively recent because I was
raised on The X Files and I had to watching it after about the third
fourth season because the Grays storyline freaked me out so much. I'm the same
that's what done it for menally, So yeah, I managed to chunk through
it when I was older, and but that the first two seasons I absolutely
loved it, and then it just went all Grays and it lost that sort
of like the more eclectic mix of things, and I didn't like the direction
it went in. But the Grays always terrified me, same like Bigfoot always
terrified me because my parents watched a documentary on big Foot when I was like
about five or something, and I had terrible nightmares that night about it coming
in through the door and everything. And so I've stayed away from the entire
subject for quite a number of years until, like I say, with the
healing thing, I started having see this is where I'm not sure about the
UFO phenomenon. We interviewed somebody about it before, where he believed that some
of the phenomenon was more supernatural in nature. And it's a bit like with
a big foot thing, you know, where people think that it's either physical
or metaphysical and nobody can decide. So I've probably had more I've had.
I've had metaphysical experiences with alien type entities, but I don't know whether I
would class them as aliens per se. I've never actually seen a UFO.
I don't discount the thought that they are real. And because I say,
I mean in the last few years, I've started to get more curious about
it. So I'm still sort of learning and I don't have a clear opinion
on it yet, because like I say, I have dealt with entities that
appeared to be sort of alien in nature. And again with the dreams of
my horses, I dreamt that both of my horses had been abducted onto a
UFO and I got really angry and I was trying to get one of them
off, and one of my horses was really chill about it, as if
I I'm I can myself. The other one was going nuts, and I
actually got him off of the UFO and that the human identities were arguing amongst
themselves because one of them was saying, no, we need to tell her
what's going on. We need to tell her what's going on, and the
other ones going no, no, no, she's only human, she'll never
understand. And I managed to get my horse off the spaceship and and yes,
and then I started thinking, well, maybe we do actually have like
interference going on. So I started looking into it. And I had a
couple of dreams about shape shifting into an owl. And I've been told by
someone that was into it was the Mutual UFO network. He said, oh,
you know, dreams of shape shifting are then trying to get you sort
of into an altered state so that they can then sort of like, you
know, whatever it is that they do. And I said, well,
I can't have been very good at it because I kept crash landing. It
was good owl. I think they might have tried to interfere. So yeah,
that was a bit of a revelation because I was like, oh,
okay, so so yeah, I don't discount the reality because statistically it's almost
impossible that there wouldn't be some form of UFA, but I'm not convinced what
we think they are. No, I agree with you. I'll tell you
now. I've seen the UFO way back in nineteen sixty six. Oh wow,
well it might be sixty seven. It was sixty six or sixty seven.
I won't go to it because I'll mentioned it quite but I do believe
in because I've seen them. And funny is should say that because Saturday and
Saturday night, just last Saturday night or Sunday morning, my wife got out
a bed to go to the bathroom, as you do in the middle of
the night, and it was three thirty three in the morning. She looked
out the window, as you saw three lights in a triangular formation with an
orange light in the middle of them. They were there for about three seconds,
and she said, you know, just as I sort of looked on
them, they sort of they went. And she was quite quite excited about
it, and I said, we why don't you wake me up? She
said, well, they've had the time because they were there for about three
seconds and they were gone. So they were over the house opposite. So
what that was I don't know, you're kind of put it down as a
She said that the orange light was pulsating, And the funny thing is the
orange light that she's talking about I saw was that I saw a singular or
big orange job you going across the night sky back in sixties. I think
it was sixty seven actually not sixty six, so that pulse safety. Know,
I understand that because that's what I saw. So there seems to me
like Arias don't know where there's more sightings than others. It's like, you
know, I've never to be honest, I've never invited. I don't want
to add back to the list of things that are interfering in my life.
Yeah, you see it to see the phenomenon, I'm sure the show you
do you must have people that have seen you oppose on this or do you
not or do not or do you avoid inviting that topic or no, we
definitely have. We definitely have had conversations around it. So the person that
Natalie referred to earlier is Olsen, who was a really amazing the really kind
of yeah like the journey took us on when it comes to kind of explaining
his belief but the way that he experiences. He very much believes that aliens
are real, and the way that he sees them as per se from understanding
is who we perceive as spirit guides, and that they're now starting to introduce
themselves in the way they actually look. And the reason why they looked like
a Native American or looked like a Buddhist monk or you know, was so
that we would accept them more readily because we recognized them to be someone familiar
to us. However, they are now starting to interject themselves in the form
that they actually are. And it was so weird that we had that conversation
because I think not even the week before, I had two different people say
to me that they had a meditation and a gray had come to visit them,
and they knew and it was two separate people and it was and they
knew that there was different work that was going to be coming for them going
forward, They're going to be working differently. So we definitely have come across
people that do believe. I just think that what that belief looks like is
different from persons person. We actually haven't had anyone say I physically have seen
what we socially, except to be a UFO or they're not cold GFOS anymore.
The reason the reason they made it a UAP is because there were so
many freedom of information requests going in for UFOs that they thought, well,
let me changing their name to UAPs. People would be asking for the UFO
report, you know, So you've got to actually come both places. Now,
You've got to say UFO and U A P now and I think but
so they could actually say, what else is the information we've got about UFO?
But you might be you might have seen a U A P. Which
so that's where you've got to be careful now. But yeah, I mean
the fact that you're talked about aliens and then the grays have really come into
our psyche. Everyone knows about the grades, don't they, whether you're believing
or you know or not. And many people that I know have actually seen
them. I've had several people on the show, you know, they have
actually experienced them. So and it's very it's very striking the amount of similar
stories you get from different people who don't know each other. You know.
Yeah, that's the thing about a lot of the phenomenon, isn't it.
It's like if you if you're getting disparate people or with similar experience. You
can't really say that it's sort of people sort of borrowing each other's ideas,
because if you have come up with it independently, Yeah, there's a bit
more credibility to it, doesn't it really? Yeah? Oh definitely. I
mean, I say so, I'm up to two hundred. This show's number
two hundred and eleven, So I've got those two hundred. Over those two
hundred shows, I've spoken to quite a lot of people, people that I
know personally and people that I would trust not to be telling me lies.
I've met one or two others as well. That's a different story, but
no, you know, the really people you could trust. And yeah,
I don't know what else to say about that. I also believe that they're
not they're not all extraterrestrial as well. Yeah, I coming from other planets.
I think a lot of them are interdimensional things, is what you're talking
about, which kind of mixes in with the spiritual realm as well. So
sometimes where we think we're seeing a ghost as such, we could be seeing
the alien. You know, when you see something in a different dimension of
different vibrational play, So you know, yeah, that's why the subjects so
so confusing. It's because, like you say, I think it's sort of
occurring on a number of different levels. So it's you know, and perhaps
all the different kinds of aliens all exist on the different levels as well,
which is perhaps more solid than others. It's like, the world's not just
three D, is it? So? Yeah, definitely not. Yeah,
there's a lot more to it. So there's also the theory of the holographic
universe, which is something I couldn't quite understand a little wall back. I
still don't fully understand it, but I am beginning to get my head around
that a little bit. Where yeah, because nothing is solid, so basically
because we're kind of in the third dimension, there's something controlling in the fourth
dimension, but it seems and so you've got to get beyond that into the
fifth dimension, because that's what I was going to say, because they do
think as well that the universe is more electrical in nature, so you sort
of think, well, if it's like electrical in nature, then there's a
lot of different sort of electrical levels, isn't there. It's sort of so
I thought that was actually more plausible and interesting because it would explain a lot
more phenomenon than just like say, the straight three D sort of version of
the will, because it's like, say, if it is electrical, it
would account for different dimensions and things because you've got different electrical frequencies. Yeah,
yeah, no, it's yeah. The holographic universe thing is Yeah,
it makes your head sort of spin a bit. Mean, it took me
about three years to begin to get me head around it, begin to kind
of understand where they're coming from now. And it's not just the likes of
David Dyke, who I admired greatly because I've met him a few times and
he's a brilliant man. But it's not just him saying things like that now.
It's actually quite a lot of other scientists saying. David darkes a scientists.
What I'm saying is he's a very very good journalist who has followed up
on a lot of theories and kind of got along with them, and he
puts down the evidence for those theories. So yeah, there's a lot of
the way physics is going that they are heading into a more inter dimensional view
of the world, aren't they. And it's like some of the things they're
coming out with You're just like, that could explain those things, and it's
like, be interesting to see if science in like two hundred years finally comes
around to that. Oh yeah, yeah, well, I mean it leaves
it leaves open an interesting prospect that what we're calling paranormal supernatural, it's not
paranormal supernatural at all. It's all quite normal. It's all normal. Well,
I think that's why it persists, because it is kind of normal.
It's like, we just make it, well, yeah, we just make
it abnormal, don't we In a lot of the time by sort of refusing
to accept what because, like you say, everyone says that these things there
exist, but everyone's got a ghost story, so you just sort of thing
and a lot of people discount their senses when they're like, oh yeah,
I just knew that would happened, or I knew something was off or something
felt weird, or I thought I got touched, And it's like that is
your senses, and we're so used to sort of switching them off and discounting
them as not being valid feedback, because I mean, your body is a
massive feedback mechanism. Isn't it to help you negotiate the world? So why
wouldn't we be able to perceive these things if they're not there? Yeah,
you know, like you say, we could all sense if you walk in
to a room and that you've always sense the atmosphere in there, can't you.
So I think we've all got that that you think, oh, it's
something going on here. And when certain people walking, they've they've got the
sort of a megnicism ofn't though as well. We did it today with one
with my horse. I was teaching a lesson on my horse and he was
standing in front of us, and he'd zoned out, and I said,
oh, you know, he's zoned out because he's gotten overwhelmed by what you're
asking him to do. So we'll just stand here and wait. And I
was talking to her and saying she was asking me like how she should hold
space for him, and I said, just stand here and ground into your
body and feel your body, and come into your body and the sense of
your realness. And the second I did that, he came towards me.
I hadn't done anything else. I was standing there and the only thing was
a shift in my focus from sort of like being up here and talking to
her to actually pulling myself into my body being grounded and present. The horse
immediately stepped towards me three foot and it's like with no other change, And
it's like and I was like he sensed that difference in where my energy was,
and it was like and it was it was quite an interesting illustration from
you know, like from the animals. And it's like, well, if
they can perceive that kind of change in perception or awareness, you know,
it sort of does make you realize that there's a lot more going on than
you know, I think on that level, animals are far more intelligent people.
Yeah, well, so a bit like horse whisperers. You've heard that
the horse whispers have got There was a great movie a few years back,
and I think I said, already Indians used to talk to their horses,
wasn't it back then there was no sort of cruelty involved that she actually got
on to the same mental level as them. Yeah, yeah, you can
do it. You get it a lot. If you can tune into a
horse. It's it's startling what they will do, and it's yeah, it's
it's quite curious. It is quite curious how different people approach things and get
different results. I suppose that's sort of It also explains your paranormal stuff,
doesn't It is if like people can walk up to the same animal and get
a different animal a different response from that animal, and it's like I've had
it when I've been trimming their feet and it's like the owner can't do anything
with them. I've walked in and put what a horse just stands there because
you know, you can just tell the difference, and it's like, this
make you wonder, like with paranormal investigation, whether like sometimes you just go
in and you're serious about what you do in the spirits, like oh,
okay, we'll give you something, whereas other people you're just like, oh,
you're taking the mickey or you're not being serious, so I'm not going
to interact with you. So it would be interesting. It would be interesting
actually to do that, to get a group of people that didn't take anything
seriously and see what they got in response to You know, No, I
think dogs are a bit lots, so I think dogs and cats can often
read what you're thinking as well. Yes, just see when dogs or cats
will stir off in the space and you think, are they looking at something
that we can't see? Yeah, cats especially. I always said, you
know, I always said cats were actually aliens on Earth. It's a cat
And I always said, do you know when they wraggle their tails? And
I'm like, oh, they're contacting the mothership. That's a little And I
always said that cats were aliens in fury form. If you want your alien
theory, there you go. You have you ever read them like astual traveling
experiences theise of you carry or that. I wouldn't say astral travel per se.
I can do remote viewing and I've done some experiments with that, but
as shuld traveling. The way that I perceived, the way I work is
I feel like I'm not There's levels of consciousness that I haven't access just because
of the way that I've been taught with my mediumship. And I feel like
that kind of grounds me in a way which is really weird, where we're
weird word to use, and that so the other kind of stuff doesn't happen.
I say stuff because I don't quite know how else to so astro traveling,
being able to even down to meditations and stuff and the way that I
visualize things. I don't work in that way. So I find that very
difficult. But in terms of remote viewing, yeah, I can do remote
viewing and I've yeah, done some really interesting experiments with some coordinates and being
able to see what I pick up with the record that some given and given
impressions for that visions and stuff. So but I reckon astral travel I keep
back it back to Natally. So you see, with me and Natalie,
we've got two different personalities, two different types of experiences, you see.
So with me, I'm kind of yeah, I feel like my kind of
path is taken a little bit more of a one level kind of journey which
I thrive in, whereas Natalie is working. And remember when I said,
you know, Nannie has got such an interesting brain. This is exactly why
I said it, because these kind of journeys we go on with her.
But astral traveling is that something you do, Nalie by the classical definition?
No, I presume when you say a still travel you mean like the classical
thing where you consciously pull yourself out of your body and go walk about or
unconsciously you know. Yeah, yeah, no in that case, No,
I've done healing. I can tune into people at a distance and sort of
tune into their location. But I don't think of it as traveling because I
don't think that on those levels there is distance. So I'm probably not grounded
enough into the three D world to actually physically leave my body and physically travel,
although I I know it's possible because I had a friend stay in my
flat a little while ago, and I think he wasn't very well and he
went up in the middle of the night because I saw this figure come flying
across my room and fall over, and I was like, I was just
like, what the hell was he doing, sort of like in my room,
you know, And then I found out that he was He was asleep
in like three rooms down for me in my flat, and he actually told
me the next day that he sort of dreamt that he'd gone through the wall
and fell over, and I was like, well, I saw it.
It was the bizarre Yeah, no, I've known. I had an ex
boyfriend once where when I stayed over his house, he got up in the
night to go to the bathroom and left himself behind. It was the bizarrest
thing because it's like his physical person had left the room, but he was
still asleep, sort of like that's a little bit weird. I hope they
sort of joined back together. But yeah, so it's like but yeah,
so personally, no, I'm not. I don't like the idea of it.
I don't know why, but it may just be that I'm not.
I'm an intellectual, so I can shift dimensions, but I can't. The
idea of physically going there is alien to me. But I mean, if
you tried astral travel yourself, well, I think we all do it in
my own belief. I think when we have these dreams where we're flying through
the air and and then I suddenly wake up at the start, I do
believe we all do it. I don't do it, you know I want
to do it. I think it just happens anyway. You know when you
have that sensation when you're falling in a dreamy Yeah, okay, okay,
you do the psychology whatever. So what what would you read that is?
So for me, that would be it would be your bodily respond body responding
to the subconscious action. So your body is aware that your mental state is
telling you that there is a full so your body response. So the body
engages quicker than the brain does as well, So your body will naturally respond
to something and that's why we kind of catch yourself when we fall, but
we're not really fall in. That's what psychology would tell me. However,
would I would also lean into the fact that there is something going on that
the two worlds is kind of mixing for you to be able to feel that
and sense it in the way that you are. But like Natalie, that
visualization of being able to wonder, and I think part of me would actually
like to do that. But at the same time, yeah, I think
remote viewing also is quite interesting. That's exactly I was just thinking. It's
like, you know, when you remote you Kerry, do you feel like
you're going there? Or do you feel like you're looking at a screen?
Because I was going to say you feel like you were going there? I
suppose that would be a form of asterial travel, or do you just feel
like you're tuning into it's I suppose I visualize myself doing it, but it's
not so much a visualization of that. I'm aware. So when I go
into Norwold state, I'm very much aware that my body feels like it's in
a complete sleep state, but my mind is very aware to everything that's going
on around me, and it's not that sensation of where my body is completely
relaxed and I'm asleep. It's almost like in my mind's I I'm able to
go up a step and go into a dorawn, I think to self,
right, I'm going into this. For example, I'm doing a reading and
I want to have a look. I'm reading someone and they want to know
about that Nan, and I go, okay, I want to have a
look around NaN's house. If not allowed for me, and I will go,
okay, I'm going to the step. I'm going to the door,
and there in front of me will be the door. And then I'm in
the hallway and I'm aware of the colors and the sounds and the smells,
and I can see what's the right of me. I can see what's the
left to me. So I'm able to give some kind of description. And
that's kind of how it happens for me. Whereas where I'd assume you know
that ashould travel. Travel is the sensation that you're your body and your mind
is in a place, but also in a kind of relaxing state. That's
how I would make sense of it. I'm not saying that's how everyone would,
but that's how I feel like my body would know. I would know
that that's happening for me. Mmmm. I don't remember anyone else, but
that's how I perceive it anyway. Interesting. Yeah, No, I was
actually going to say, I don't know if you've heard of a lady called
Indigo Phoenix. Okay, no, I haven't. She's on Facebook quite a
bit and she's done a lot of that sort of sort of thing. She
would be a good person to get on your show actually at some point that
she's done a lot of remote viewing actually with the with the with with the
police and everything, looking for missing people and all sorts of stuff. But
I just wonder if what your view on that would be, if if you've
done remote viewing, would you would you be able to sort of help the
police out? Do you think I would give it? I'd give it a
good go. I would give it. I would give it a good go.
I think the thing with mediumship as well is that it's a real subjective
journey. It's not something that you can share and kind of go did you
see that too? And then I like, yeah, I saw that too.
It's really subjective. So you always have that doubt of what if what
if I can't do this, or what if this isn't going to go the
way? What if I get it wrong or if I interpret it wrong.
So I would always give it a go, but I always know that there'd
be that critical voice in my head, going, if you can't this time.
But absolutely I think what I have a friend that would just send me
random coordinates and it could be of anything, and I would try. That
was how I used to develop that or work on that. Would I would
just see what whether it's a sound or a smell. I do it now
through photos and post up photos and I kind of see what I can smell
there, what I can feel there. Most recently there was one that was
done by the Dimension guys their names now, bless them. But yeah,
so it's just it's finding ways of being able to affect that is what I'm
saying. It's being able to train it. It's like a muscle. But
absolutely, if I could, I absolutely would do that, definitely, Because
I have a good authority is that they do actually go to psychics occasionally to
to on sold cases, especially with missing people and things like that, but
they don't make a big thing about it. So no, no, I
can imagine not. Yeah, that's been great talking to you both anyway.
So who have you got on your show? Who's your next guest on your
show? We have a show that goes live this week. We have some
ladies from Canada who are absolutely fascinating. They're coming onto the show. They're
talking about a big investigation they've got coming up at a well, it's a
bit a bit of a dark kind of location. It's not one I would
normally put I would actually vision them going to, but there's lots of history
there from lots of people meeting their end there. And Hinsdale House. Was
it Hinsdale House? Interesting? Yes? Yeah? So yeah. They're even
brewing their own beer as well, called Booberry, which is really interesting Booberry
Beer, I think. So the further that you've got is it what's his
name? Then Coffee was known then then you always it, Then Cothink was
known. Oh I know you're talking about Yeah, then are you're talking about
the Moss? Then Moss is one of them? I think you No,
it's not Donny Moss. So the ladies that we've got coming in are from
Canida. I don't want to give their paranormal name. Role yeah, yes,
absolutely amazing women and they've got some really interesting kind of backgrounds of where
they come from. So yeah, we're looking forward to that. We're currently
looking for more guests that would be interesting in coming along to us our show.
So if anyone does want to come along and have a chat with us,
the more welcome to get in touch with us. I don't like coming.
I can tell you my UFO stories somewhere. Send me an invite the
day and I'll be pleased to come on if you want. It's been great
have your the show. Thanks for coming on, and I do mean that.
Carry and and you soon that if ever you're coming down this way,
we should do an investigation. Carry, I might talk to you about something.
Do you ever go to the the Essex UH Paranormal UFO group? Have
you been to that one at all? Uh? I haven't been to the
meet yet, but I met I met David and his wife at the Iron
Works at the investigation that they Yeah, so I've met them there, and
yes, I'm hoping to come along to one of their meetings. But yes,
really interesting people. But we investigated the iron Works in South End together.
Oh. I was hoping to come along to that wasn't you. I
was, Yeah, we were in America. Unfortunately we were just coming back
from America, so so so yeah, but yeah, there's something interesting.
So there's something interesting that's kind of connected to that. It's called SEPPI.
It's an investigation groups just being set up, and you may well be an
asset to the group as well as being interested in doing what the group does.
So I'll have a chat with you about that if you're interested. If
you're interested in doing something like that, you'll be able to use your your
capabilities and also probably find some interesting things to get involved with. If you're
interested, perfect, Definitely chat with you about that. But apart from that,
it's been great talking to you. And yes, I would like to
come on the show if you'd like to send me an invite, and I'll
talk to you again soon. Good luck with your show. Thank you,
thank you very much. That's a leading Kerry. Thank you very much for
coming on. And they'll take care of yourself so and I'll speak to you
again soon, right, thank you, Yes, take care of yourself by
thank you, carry in Ansley and good luck with your own show. Right
next show, I've got another extra show for you. And that's next week.
That's the twenty ninth of July, and that's Mark Bolly returning and it's
going to be talking about something to do with paranormal connections to archaeology, so
that will be quite interesting. So I hope you're going to join me for
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