1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:06,599 You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best in paranormal talk radio 2 00:00:06,799 --> 00:00:13,320 in the UK and around the world. Paranormal Dimensions is fortnightly on Mondays on 3 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:18,359 the Paranormal UK Radio Network. Whatever or whoever it is that haunts and house 4 00:00:19,199 --> 00:00:24,839 the manifestations are the most powerful and evil in their experience. They all mentioned 5 00:00:25,800 --> 00:01:07,959 nameless horrors. What's the idea of the life being out? A fine time 6 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:12,400 for it. You're listening to Paranormal Dimensions with David Young, part of the 7 00:01:12,439 --> 00:01:19,319 Paranormal UK Radio Network, the UK's biggest visit us for new episodes fortnightly on 8 00:01:19,359 --> 00:01:30,640 Mondays. For now, let's start today's show. Hello and welcome to the 9 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:36,680 show. I'm David Young. I've had some nice comments about having Philip Kinseller 10 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,319 back on the show or last week's extra show. It was great Evan Filip 11 00:01:40,359 --> 00:01:44,400 back on. Now for this show, I've got two guests who are actually 12 00:01:44,599 --> 00:01:48,799 part of the Paranormal UK Radio Network family. They had their own show called 13 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:53,200 Seventh Sanctum, so short they'll be talking to them, and that's carry Anne 14 00:01:53,239 --> 00:01:57,840 and Natalie. But just before we start the show, properly, if you're 15 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,760 in the Essex or Suffolk area. Interested in this, have a listen. 16 00:02:02,079 --> 00:02:07,400 We've all heard of close Encounters of the third kind, but are you aware 17 00:02:07,439 --> 00:02:10,080 there is a fifth. Close and Counters of the Fifth Kind or CEU five 18 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:17,000 is centered around human initiated cosmic contact with our et frames designed and promoted by 19 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:21,879 doctor Stephen Gried since the nineties. Come and try it for yourself at an 20 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,159 event being held on Saturday the third of August on the board for Essex and 21 00:02:25,199 --> 00:02:32,520 Suffolk. To book your place, visit www SEPI Hyphenagency dot com s s 22 00:02:32,599 --> 00:02:39,120 e p I Hyphenagency dot com. Today spaces are limited. There we are. 23 00:02:39,199 --> 00:02:44,039 So that's Ssex and Suffolk. If you didn't quite catch that, or 24 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,360 actually your player again at the end of the show. Of course, if 25 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:50,520 you're interested then you can't find where to get tickets, Just contact me and 26 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,439 I will put you in touch. Okay, let's get on with the show 27 00:02:53,719 --> 00:02:58,400 properly, and I'd like to introduce Herrann and Natalie to the show. Oh, 28 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,520 Kerry and Natalie, welcome to the show. Go Thank you so much 29 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:07,560 for having no so people will wonder what we're laughing it. Don't worry about 30 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:13,599 it anyway, You've got a show on the Paranormal UK radio network. You've 31 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,479 been with us a couple of months, I believe. How did that come 32 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:21,840 about? How did you get the name Seventh Semptum? Oh, that was 33 00:03:21,879 --> 00:03:25,879 a journey. So we've actually been running since The Seventh sent to itself has 34 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:31,479 been probably writing for about since August next year, last year, so I 35 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:44,919 think it's next year. Time traveling last year and me and cross Pass from 36 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:50,560 the Paranormal before and we just happened to start talking about Actually I was looking 37 00:03:50,599 --> 00:03:53,680 for a co host because I've been doing some shows by myself and I really 38 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:59,639 enjoyed it, really struggled a little bit with not bouncing back back and forth 39 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:06,439 from one and that's when Natalie heard my cry and we got in touch and 40 00:04:06,479 --> 00:04:11,280 we started working together. And yeah, since then, we've been doing shows 41 00:04:11,319 --> 00:04:15,879 fortnightly. Since then, Yeah, I did. I did that for a 42 00:04:15,879 --> 00:04:19,199 while when I was doing them weekly. I called it a co host occasionally 43 00:04:19,439 --> 00:04:23,839 every other a couple of every couple of shows i'd ever, I guess co 44 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,839 host. And I had a couple of ladies working with me and we call 45 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,199 and make it. It's almost a regular thing. And that was Juliet and 46 00:04:30,199 --> 00:04:35,399 it was Sasha and but yeah, but since I've been doing a fortnight, 47 00:04:35,519 --> 00:04:41,079 I've just sort of kept doing it on my own really, so I definitely 48 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:46,399 needed my right hand woman for this. Definitely has made Seventh Sancts and what 49 00:04:46,439 --> 00:04:51,560 it is now. It's given a little more lot more personality. And Natalie's 50 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,519 got so I've said this before on the shows that we've been interviewed in before. 51 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,639 Nattie's got such an amazing brain. The way that she you thinks is 52 00:05:00,639 --> 00:05:06,759 phenomenal. So there, you've got an amazing brain. I believe it's for 53 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:11,680 somebody to say my brain is amazing and not weird and crazy, So yeah, 54 00:05:12,199 --> 00:05:16,560 come from it forget to be honest. So have you actually have you 55 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:23,759 actually met in real life or is this just kind of lock an online friendship 56 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:30,040 online friendship. It feels like I've known that for a long time. But 57 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,000 yeah, we haven't actually got to meet in person yet. We are hoping 58 00:05:33,079 --> 00:05:38,959 that we're going to be able to get together for a paranormal investigation or even 59 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:44,040 better, a para meet maybe, but that's something that we're kind of planning 60 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,040 for the back end of this year beginning next year. Seven Sanctums on a 61 00:05:47,079 --> 00:05:53,079 big journey of lots of different projects happening at the moment, and it's about 62 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:59,240 trying to make that work for both as well. So I think that coming 63 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,759 together really kind of concrete that a bit. So the name Seventh sac Where 64 00:06:02,759 --> 00:06:10,560 does that come from? Harry, It was a bit of a brain far 65 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:15,680 If I'm honest, it's a bit of a brain far. So I was 66 00:06:15,879 --> 00:06:23,199 kind of just kind of brainstorm with a friend who himself is kind of a 67 00:06:23,519 --> 00:06:27,240 Buddhist in his belief system, and I was thinking, I said, I 68 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,439 really need something really kind of reflective of what I want in terms of a 69 00:06:30,519 --> 00:06:33,839 show. I don't want us to be pigeonholed. I want there to be 70 00:06:33,959 --> 00:06:40,759 so much exploration of everything that is other nurse, but I also wanted to 71 00:06:40,759 --> 00:06:44,680 be a reflection of kind of my ethos and stuff like that, and that's 72 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,120 where the name come from. He was like, what about Seventh Sanctum. 73 00:06:47,199 --> 00:06:49,920 I was like, absolutely amazing, And it seems to work. And I'm 74 00:06:49,959 --> 00:06:53,040 sorry if I'm speaking for you Natalie as well, but it seems to work 75 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,040 quite well with your kind of way of the working, isn't it. Natalie? 76 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:02,879 Eclectic? Yeah? Eclectic? Yeah, Because I was like when we 77 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,680 started, I was like, I didn't want to be a lot of the 78 00:07:08,319 --> 00:07:13,160 ghost things have the same questions every week, and it's like I just and 79 00:07:13,199 --> 00:07:15,319 because I am a bit eclectic in my thinking, like you say, I've 80 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,879 got a broad range of interests, and I was just like, oh, 81 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:23,079 can we have healers on and shamans and witches and you know whatever? And 82 00:07:23,199 --> 00:07:25,040 carry was like, yeah, go for it. And I was like, 83 00:07:25,759 --> 00:07:30,639 makes things more interesting. You can ask deeper questions as well, or more 84 00:07:30,759 --> 00:07:36,360 Charlotte questions. Sometimes I'm talking about teating coffee on one of them, I 85 00:07:36,399 --> 00:07:40,319 think, wasn't it. But yeah, it's sort of like so I wanted 86 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:45,120 to sort of like be able to ask questions that were perhaps a little more 87 00:07:45,199 --> 00:07:48,839 challenging possibly or to present information that people might not really have thought about. 88 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:53,600 So yeah, we were trying to be like say, eclectic probably is the 89 00:07:53,639 --> 00:07:56,040 best word for it. That's the best way to play. I mean, 90 00:07:56,079 --> 00:07:58,439 I can tell you I never know where this show is going to go to 91 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,720 when I start. I don't really have I don't really ever plan. I'll 92 00:08:01,759 --> 00:08:05,399 just sort of get go. Yeah, just let it go, and as 93 00:08:05,439 --> 00:08:07,079 things come to my head. You probably do the same thing or just sort 94 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:11,160 well, it's our having a chatter somebody in the pub. You know. 95 00:08:11,519 --> 00:08:15,240 Yeah, we do actually do it because we did that because a couple of 96 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,480 interviews that we've done where I actually have specific questions I wanted to ask, 97 00:08:18,519 --> 00:08:22,879 we actually never got around to it. We ended up talking about something else 98 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:24,959 and you sort of like have to let the conversation go where it wants, 99 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:31,800 almost, don't you sometime And yeah, and obviously you probably find the best 100 00:08:31,839 --> 00:08:33,879 guests, so the ones you can just sort of say something to them and 101 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,039 they'll go on their way for about twenty minutes, you know, you could 102 00:08:37,039 --> 00:08:43,960 just sort of sit back and have a couple of team We Yeah, we 103 00:08:43,039 --> 00:08:48,919 do. We do enjoy those guests because it's we I mean, when I 104 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:50,519 think about some of the people, we've had such a short time, but 105 00:08:50,919 --> 00:08:58,320 we've had Scottish folklore and philosophy, and then we've had lost paganism and believe 106 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:03,559 So it's there's been lots of really different kind of conversations that we've been having 107 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,200 and it's we're learning something in all the time. But what also is quite 108 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:13,639 engaging is that it kind of prompts as well more questions from us. O're 109 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,480 the ones that we haven't really thought about. So yes, we loved guests 110 00:09:16,519 --> 00:09:20,200 that love to kind of yeah, go with it because absolutely that's what we're 111 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,679 there therefore, and that's what we want them to use the platform for. 112 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,759 But at the same time, it kind of stretches out kind of boundaries as 113 00:09:26,799 --> 00:09:30,480 well, what we know and what we understand. M hmm. Okay, 114 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,639 let's go into what your backgrounds. I don't know your personal backgrounds, I 115 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:39,279 mean your paranorl backgrounds. Are either of you psychic or do you want to 116 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:45,320 go? Yeah, yep, that's what I will. So I am er 117 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:52,399 Yes, Hello, I am Kerry. I am a trance medium and a 118 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:58,519 psychic. My roots are in spiritualism. That's when I started doing my development 119 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:05,080 is spiritual circles and divine services. I used to do those and I sometimes 120 00:10:05,159 --> 00:10:09,840 lend myself to those sometimes as well. When it comes to like a platform 121 00:10:09,879 --> 00:10:16,919 mediumship. But when it comes to the paranormal, I suppose that it was 122 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:22,159 like a natural gravitation from the spiritualism to the paranormal. In terms of the 123 00:10:22,159 --> 00:10:28,679 physical mediumship and the way that spiritualists measure and interact with spirit, they use 124 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,679 spirit boxes, they use spirit horns, they use divination tools, so it 125 00:10:31,799 --> 00:10:35,879 just seemed to take a natural gravitation. However, my own personal journey with 126 00:10:35,919 --> 00:10:41,000 my belief system has changed massively because of what I've learned through the paranormal, 127 00:10:41,519 --> 00:10:46,360 So my roots do lay there, however, Yeah, it's different now that 128 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:52,200 I've kind of explored the paranormal a lot more. I've been a paranormal researcher. 129 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:56,039 I was once a ghost hunter, but a paranormal researcher, and I 130 00:10:56,039 --> 00:11:01,360 started about ten to twelve years ago. And yeah, I started off with 131 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:07,000 a really really big team, and I've worked with Kerry Greenaway was part of 132 00:11:07,039 --> 00:11:09,879 my team at one point, and yeah, just try it been some to 133 00:11:11,159 --> 00:11:15,720 some amazing locations with some really interesting people. So yeah, that's kind of 134 00:11:15,759 --> 00:11:20,279 what got me into podcasting. I started podcasting with Kerry back when we first 135 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:26,200 started doing investigating and then, yeah, it's kind of grown from there. 136 00:11:26,399 --> 00:11:30,120 So it would have been the two carries we were we often, if we 137 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:35,080 guess David, we would call it the Kerry sandwich. Yeah, two carries, 138 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:39,639 indeed, not the two rones, the two carries. Yeah, yeah, 139 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:50,039 excellent. I like it. What about you, Natalie? I came 140 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:54,679 at it from the opposite direction to most people. I guess the ghost came 141 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,919 at the end and not at the beginning. I would say I was psychic, 142 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:01,799 I guess, although I don't class that as a label for myself. 143 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:07,639 But I'm intuitive and pathic, I suppose. And I started off my granddad 144 00:12:07,639 --> 00:12:11,080 taught me to douse when I was sixteen, so I got an interest in 145 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:16,519 lay lines and dowsing from like quite an early age. Didn't do that much 146 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:20,679 with it in a way, but then I had my dad bought me a 147 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,960 horse when I was sixteen, well a baby. He was only a baby 148 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,039 at the time, and I had him for his entire life, and through 149 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:33,919 his journey with him and learning healing and that with him, I learned a 150 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:41,679 lot about spirituality. I became an equine healer equine sports massage, and I 151 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:46,679 sort of got some equine communication going, but I'm not I'm a bit intermittent 152 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,919 and hit miss with it. So that that's like my psychic background is in 153 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:54,519 sort of like with the horses more than anything. And with my second horse, 154 00:12:54,159 --> 00:12:58,759 I started having trouble with entities and things like that, so I learned 155 00:12:58,759 --> 00:13:03,399 about the darker side of the paranormal world. Before I learned about ghosts, 156 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:09,320 and then the ghost came to what was it a couple of years before Lockdown. 157 00:13:09,039 --> 00:13:13,320 I used to work in a pub that was haunted, and I started 158 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,919 watching the ghost programs, the one that shall not be named Ghost Adventures. 159 00:13:18,799 --> 00:13:26,320 They started Most Haunted. That that was a pioneer of it. Never I 160 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,759 hate it in sort Most Haunted, but I've never been able to sit through 161 00:13:28,799 --> 00:13:33,759 an episode of it. My mom watched it, she watched it all the 162 00:13:33,799 --> 00:13:37,720 way through, but I just couldn't. I couldn't. I just couldn't gel 163 00:13:37,799 --> 00:13:43,360 with it. Yeah, I must apologize if anyone's listening for the Most Haunted, 164 00:13:43,399 --> 00:13:48,279 But that was just my personal I just you know, some people like 165 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:52,840 Coronation Street and some people like, yeah, I've never been able to sit 166 00:13:52,919 --> 00:13:56,879 through Coronation Street. I'm with you all that one. Yeah, it was 167 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,480 to tell you. It was just like I found the Adventures more accessible to 168 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:07,120 me. Yeah. So I got interested in sort of like the EVPs and 169 00:14:07,159 --> 00:14:09,679 things like that from there, and then one day I was just like, 170 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,000 I don't know if I need to go go something because they're all around me 171 00:14:13,039 --> 00:14:16,120 anyway, because I live in an old area of the UK, so the 172 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:20,000 spirits everywhere around here, and then I thought, well, I wonder what 173 00:14:20,039 --> 00:14:24,759 it would be like doing a paranormal investigation somewhere that's not at home, whether 174 00:14:24,799 --> 00:14:31,120 the experience would be different. So yeah, I've not done actual investigating as 175 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:35,000 a team, but I've done gone on paranormal investigations in the local area. 176 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,559 I've not done many, to be fair, but yeah, and it was 177 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:43,440 an interesting experience actually, because it's sort of like you could be a little 178 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:48,279 bit less cautious somewhere else than you are at home, Because I mean, 179 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,159 the first ghost on time went on was down the road from me, and 180 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:58,320 I did get visited by the spirit down the road that night, which is 181 00:14:58,399 --> 00:15:03,200 quite interesting. So I sort of went farther away for the next one. 182 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,799 How do you know? How do you know you got visited? But I 183 00:15:05,799 --> 00:15:11,600 mean because you said you're not really psychic, But well, yeah, I'm 184 00:15:11,639 --> 00:15:15,679 psyched. But I can't turn it on and off the way a lot of 185 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,639 able to, so it tends to come to me when I need it, 186 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,360 rather than me having the ability to switch it on and off. So I 187 00:15:24,399 --> 00:15:28,840 mean, I can be incredibly intuitive, but I don't. I can't do 188 00:15:28,879 --> 00:15:33,519 it on purpose a lot of the time, and every time i've been on 189 00:15:33,559 --> 00:15:39,840 a ghost hunt so far, I've always had a dream dreams afterwards, and 190 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:46,200 but I this particular one. We went to more of Furnace, which is 191 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,200 one up the raid, and they were doing a Wiedi board and I was 192 00:15:48,279 --> 00:15:52,600 just sort of like, you know, I think, there's the person on 193 00:15:52,639 --> 00:15:56,159 the Wiji board is like a trickster and isn't really telling the truth and everything. 194 00:15:56,080 --> 00:16:00,279 But I was just standing back, so I'm not getting involved in this. 195 00:16:00,519 --> 00:16:04,120 And I got my home and had a dream that night that my goldfish 196 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:10,840 came up the stairs into my doorway and then barked like a dog. And 197 00:16:11,159 --> 00:16:14,240 it caught me that much that I actually sat up in bed and it woke 198 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,399 me up, and it's like and then I knew there was something there that 199 00:16:17,559 --> 00:16:23,960 wasn't supposed to be there, and that the way it gave me the dream 200 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:29,000 made me realize that it was the same thing that was talking through the Wiedi 201 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,000 board, because it had the same sort of energy and tone to it. 202 00:16:32,039 --> 00:16:34,159 And I was like, you're a trickster, that's why you were messing about 203 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,159 on the Wiji board And why did everyone up because I was standing there going 204 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,879 yeah, yeah, right, yeah, these questions answers, Yeah, right, 205 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,799 and it's winding you up and it So I do believe that at that 206 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,639 point in time I was visited by the thing because I called it out didn't 207 00:16:48,799 --> 00:16:55,720 like it, so it came and pulled a prank on me. Obviously it 208 00:16:55,720 --> 00:17:02,519 didn't harm you anyway, Just start me yea of me. Well, I 209 00:17:02,519 --> 00:17:07,640 don't know anyone that's ever really been harmed by any spirits or whether they're evil 210 00:17:07,799 --> 00:17:10,519 or I don't know if you're believe in a lot of the demons or that 211 00:17:10,559 --> 00:17:15,359 you keep getting on all the TV shows. I have had entities that are 212 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:22,359 meant to cause harm, but but that that I think is that's me rather 213 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:30,000 than because of doing the healing. I tend to attract the slightly the slightly 214 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:36,359 more nefarious things because of the abilities that I've got to shift them. Whereas 215 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:40,279 most people that I've spoken to haven't had any any of the experiences I've had. 216 00:17:40,319 --> 00:17:44,960 So I do sort of believe that the majority of the time, for 217 00:17:45,079 --> 00:17:48,640 most people, they are benign. And I tend to find even with the 218 00:17:48,759 --> 00:17:52,440 entities, like you say, if you don't mess them about, they generally 219 00:17:52,519 --> 00:17:56,319 don't bothery it too much. I mean, you can negotiate with most of 220 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:00,799 them anyway. So I sometimes think, like you say, people have real 221 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,920 problems, it's because they're winding everything up. But but yeah, I mean 222 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:07,799 the majority of the time, I don't really have a problem. I had. 223 00:18:07,839 --> 00:18:11,319 We did go go something at the King I think it was a King 224 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:18,200 Edward's school near near me, and that that was I would have said that 225 00:18:18,319 --> 00:18:22,960 wasn't less than positive, because I had like really bad dreams for two days 226 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:26,920 afterwards and it just like really unsettled me. But I wouldn't have said it 227 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:32,000 was like negative exactly. It didn't follow me home, but it did have 228 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:36,960 an effect. But yeah, yeah, sometimes I think when you have these 229 00:18:37,039 --> 00:18:40,200 dreams they're not really dreams. You might be there might be another reality that 230 00:18:40,559 --> 00:18:44,160 you're getting advance off, you know. Yeah, yeah, you can tell 231 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,480 the difference normally with dreams when they're like that. I mean I have had 232 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:52,200 like psychic attacks in dreams before, and but you can tell because the dream 233 00:18:52,559 --> 00:18:56,079 goes odd and your brain sort of goes, wait a minute, this isn't 234 00:18:56,119 --> 00:19:00,440 my normal dream. There's a bit off about this, And you know, 235 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,119 you do tend to realize after a bit, and like when you're being messed 236 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:07,119 with. But I mean, like I say, that's just me. So 237 00:19:07,279 --> 00:19:11,039 whether whether the people have the same effect, you know, affected the same 238 00:19:11,079 --> 00:19:15,000 way or not, I don't know, but you'll laugh at this one. 239 00:19:15,279 --> 00:19:19,920 The other I think it's about almost a week ago now, I dreamt that 240 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:25,880 I swallowed a hammer. Believe it or not. Explain that one. I 241 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:30,839 don't know. I'm not sure about that one. Something down you through. 242 00:19:36,079 --> 00:19:40,920 But I remember dreaming and asking the doctors have got my body cut to get 243 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:45,119 this Henry out. It's stupid, crazy dreams. Anyway, I'm sorry. 244 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:47,880 Well, I'm not leaving you out of it. I just want to ask 245 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,279 you another question about Haley. Now, I've been told by a couple of 246 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:55,640 hate, by a couple of psychics or mediums of whatever is or that I'm 247 00:19:55,680 --> 00:20:00,519 a healer, but I've never put it to practice. Do you all hands 248 00:20:00,559 --> 00:20:06,839 get very hot? It depends on the energy that I'm shifting and contacting. 249 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,319 Sometimes my hands will feel cold to me and hot to the other person, 250 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:12,759 or hot to me and cold to the other person, and sometimes they just 251 00:20:12,839 --> 00:20:21,920 like bit tingly so, but I usually they usually find that it depends what 252 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:26,440 level dimension of energy that I'm working on, and what the person I'm on 253 00:20:26,519 --> 00:20:30,200 with what level their energy is on, is to when my hands are hot 254 00:20:30,279 --> 00:20:33,799 or cold. Yeah, so it does vary. Most people seem to find 255 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:40,039 like heating their hands, but mine seems to vary. It's a bit of 256 00:20:40,039 --> 00:20:42,039 a non specific question. But yeah, a lot a lot of people have 257 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:47,279 a healing ability to do healing. Oh yeah, I don't think. I 258 00:20:47,279 --> 00:20:49,400 mean, I said, I don't for myself anything special, but I've never 259 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,799 put it to use anyway. It's just I've been told by a few mediums 260 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:57,440 I'm a hailer, Well I should, I said, you should use put 261 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,799 it to use, but I never had. So that's that's what I wondered. 262 00:21:00,799 --> 00:21:04,440 Because my hands almost very warm, very hot, you know, even 263 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:10,680 in the cold, are very warm. So that's it in there waiting to 264 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,480 you know. I mean I used to find it if the energy, if 265 00:21:14,519 --> 00:21:18,119 I'm not doing enough healing work, the energy builds up in my system and 266 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,720 I have to kind of dump it into the ground or send healing generically. 267 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,480 But because you've not chosen to do anything with it, it might just be 268 00:21:25,519 --> 00:21:29,839 the healing energy is there, but it's not been activated, so the potential 269 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,079 is there rather than the actual thing itself maybe, and so that's why your 270 00:21:33,079 --> 00:21:37,400 hands are warm. But if you chose to use it, you might find 271 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:42,519 that the sensations are different or the feeling is different. Yeah, maybe not 272 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:47,440 to try it out sometimes. I don't know how. But Kerry, let's 273 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:52,200 get you back on the show. It's okay. So about some of your 274 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:59,279 experiences have you? Have you did you ever very young young experiences when you're 275 00:21:59,279 --> 00:22:03,480 in your child wood door anything? Yes, my first ever siting I was 276 00:22:03,559 --> 00:22:10,519 about I was about five years old, and I remember it vividly, and 277 00:22:10,759 --> 00:22:15,440 I lived on a really old house that was close to a really old body 278 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,759 of water. And the house is always always made me. I remember always 279 00:22:19,759 --> 00:22:26,599 feeling uncomfortable in it. And then one night, I'm laying in bed and 280 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,279 next to my bed is a chester drawers, so I can't see above the 281 00:22:30,599 --> 00:22:36,160 chester draws, but I can see my door, which is kind of open, 282 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,720 so I can see the kind of the top of it. And I 283 00:22:38,759 --> 00:22:42,200 heard this creek and I looked and there was someone that walked out of my 284 00:22:42,319 --> 00:22:48,079 mum's room, stood in my doorway and then walked up the hallway. There 285 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,200 was a really old house. I couldn't hear any other footsteps, and when 286 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:52,960 I looked up, literally seconds there was no one there. And that was 287 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:57,440 my first experience. So I was always open to the very normal, and 288 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:02,000 I was always interested in it. I was sixteen sitting up at twelve o'clock 289 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:06,680 a night watching Most Haunted. Of course I was, and I watched all 290 00:23:07,039 --> 00:23:11,480 the Halloween Lives. But as I got older, I think my first real 291 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,720 bereavement was when I started to go into spirituist churches, and that's kind of 292 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:21,440 where it come in to itself. Kind of my journey since then is kind 293 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:29,680 of still having that fascination with spirit, but I'm also I'm also I'm a 294 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:34,920 psychology graduate. I'm still studying psychology as well, so I'm really interested in 295 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:41,799 the psyche and the biological natural sponsors that we have to environmental kind of influences 296 00:23:41,799 --> 00:23:47,200 and variables. So it's a real conundrum in me because there's a part of 297 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:51,480 me that believes spirit is absolutely real, but then there's also the other side 298 00:23:51,519 --> 00:23:53,000 of me that kind of looks at all those different aspects. You know, 299 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,759 when we think about the ancient fear system and kind of what that provokes in 300 00:23:56,799 --> 00:24:02,119 the body for you to have that sensation, having a spirit nearby. At 301 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:03,359 the same time, when I give readings, I know I have a spirit 302 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:08,160 when nearby because I have those same kind of sensations, so it's bodily sensations. 303 00:24:10,519 --> 00:24:12,839 So yeah, so that's kind of my kind of path and my real 304 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:17,880 interest, and at the moment, my interest is looking at, you know, 305 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:22,799 when we have these big locations that are overly investigated, and the impact 306 00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:26,680 that that has when we go in as paranormal investigators, or we investigating a 307 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:32,599 location or we investigated that force collective as being perpetuated on it, and looking 308 00:24:32,599 --> 00:24:34,920 at different ways that that can affect and different ways that that can kind of 309 00:24:36,039 --> 00:24:40,440 present as well. So yeah, that's kind of where I'm what I love 310 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,680 and how kind of I got there. My experience that I started five years 311 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,599 old and seeing that whoever it was, standing in my doorway and kind of 312 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,319 walking away. Did you tell you about it at the time, did your 313 00:24:52,319 --> 00:24:59,960 mind? Did your parents know that you were Absolutely? I told my mom 314 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,799 the next morning, I said, there was someone coming out of your bedroom 315 00:25:02,839 --> 00:25:04,440 last night, but you and dad would downstairs and she said, no one 316 00:25:04,519 --> 00:25:07,839 was in No one was in my room. And I was like, oh, 317 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,759 I saw someone. But my mom is an absolute. She is so 318 00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:15,359 scared of anything to do with this. I can't talk about it. I 319 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,480 can't even I asked Alexa once because there you have that little fun app where 320 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,480 you go Alexa is or a ghost around and it gives you a little fun 321 00:25:22,519 --> 00:25:30,640 app and it's nothing. Honestly, it is the best. And my mom 322 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,799 was in the vicinity and she unplugged the Alexa so I couldn't talk about it, 323 00:25:33,799 --> 00:25:37,160 and I still can't. But my mom when she did speak to about 324 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,759 about me when we got older and we moved out of the house, and 325 00:25:40,799 --> 00:25:44,480 she said there was some really weird things that went on in there, even 326 00:25:44,559 --> 00:25:48,400 down to the phone ringing, the landline ringing with and it weren't plugged into 327 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:55,880 the wall, strong smells of urine throughout the property when there was no reason 328 00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:00,160 for it, disembodied voices, men's voices, there was a lot of that. 329 00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:03,400 So it was a real hotbed. And I have no idea why it 330 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,799 would be that way. But she lived on part of the island that's really 331 00:26:07,839 --> 00:26:14,119 really old, so I just put it down to history. And yeah, 332 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,519 well part of the island you're talking about is we actually live on the same 333 00:26:17,559 --> 00:26:22,160 island, which can be six we've just we we realized about a week or 334 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,480 so ago, didn't we, Yes, we did, maybe we'd have to 335 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,480 get together for the investigations sometime might be old it. It's funny you should 336 00:26:29,519 --> 00:26:33,400 say that, David. I have I've got I'm hopefully having one book at 337 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,000 the end of this month, so I'll keep you updated and let me know. 338 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,559 Yeah, definitely. Yeah, has been washing through it as well, 339 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:44,960 so perfect all the merry. Yeah, excellent. I'm serious about that. 340 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,599 I think we are considerably that way in clud we will do it absolutely. 341 00:26:51,079 --> 00:26:53,279 Have you ever seen any thing I want you believe in UFOs and things like 342 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:59,000 that. I'm asking you both then, so you can both ask to get 343 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:07,279 the ALSWO together. Well, I find the That's what I'm like my mum 344 00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:10,880 in that way where I find the conversation a little bit difficult. I don't 345 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,759 want to know if they do exist. I don't deny that they exist. 346 00:27:14,519 --> 00:27:18,160 Nettie's more open to the conversation and she knows a lot more. I remember 347 00:27:18,279 --> 00:27:22,519 a while ago, me and Kerry had an interview with Reverend John Polk that 348 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:29,920 was really interesting about the ancient aliens and kind of civilization. And I found 349 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,240 that really fascinating, but I don't often have the conversation, whereas Natalie is 350 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:40,039 far more yeah, versed in this topic. So I let Natalie take the 351 00:27:40,079 --> 00:27:47,160 floor over to you, Netlie. She makes it sound like I'm an expert, 352 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:52,119 boy, it's far from more than I. Well, yeah, to 353 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,920 be fair, I mean, although this is only relatively recent because I was 354 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,920 raised on The X Files and I had to watching it after about the third 355 00:28:02,039 --> 00:28:08,640 fourth season because the Grays storyline freaked me out so much. I'm the same 356 00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:12,839 that's what done it for menally, So yeah, I managed to chunk through 357 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:18,279 it when I was older, and but that the first two seasons I absolutely 358 00:28:18,319 --> 00:28:21,839 loved it, and then it just went all Grays and it lost that sort 359 00:28:21,839 --> 00:28:26,680 of like the more eclectic mix of things, and I didn't like the direction 360 00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:30,160 it went in. But the Grays always terrified me, same like Bigfoot always 361 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,960 terrified me because my parents watched a documentary on big Foot when I was like 362 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,960 about five or something, and I had terrible nightmares that night about it coming 363 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:44,440 in through the door and everything. And so I've stayed away from the entire 364 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:49,599 subject for quite a number of years until, like I say, with the 365 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:56,839 healing thing, I started having see this is where I'm not sure about the 366 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,559 UFO phenomenon. We interviewed somebody about it before, where he believed that some 367 00:29:00,599 --> 00:29:06,000 of the phenomenon was more supernatural in nature. And it's a bit like with 368 00:29:06,039 --> 00:29:07,519 a big foot thing, you know, where people think that it's either physical 369 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:14,519 or metaphysical and nobody can decide. So I've probably had more I've had. 370 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,799 I've had metaphysical experiences with alien type entities, but I don't know whether I 371 00:29:19,839 --> 00:29:25,279 would class them as aliens per se. I've never actually seen a UFO. 372 00:29:26,279 --> 00:29:32,480 I don't discount the thought that they are real. And because I say, 373 00:29:32,519 --> 00:29:34,799 I mean in the last few years, I've started to get more curious about 374 00:29:34,839 --> 00:29:40,359 it. So I'm still sort of learning and I don't have a clear opinion 375 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,240 on it yet, because like I say, I have dealt with entities that 376 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,519 appeared to be sort of alien in nature. And again with the dreams of 377 00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:52,000 my horses, I dreamt that both of my horses had been abducted onto a 378 00:29:52,119 --> 00:29:56,400 UFO and I got really angry and I was trying to get one of them 379 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:57,839 off, and one of my horses was really chill about it, as if 380 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:03,960 I I'm I can myself. The other one was going nuts, and I 381 00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:08,799 actually got him off of the UFO and that the human identities were arguing amongst 382 00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:11,200 themselves because one of them was saying, no, we need to tell her 383 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,359 what's going on. We need to tell her what's going on, and the 384 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,079 other ones going no, no, no, she's only human, she'll never 385 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:25,119 understand. And I managed to get my horse off the spaceship and and yes, 386 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:26,799 and then I started thinking, well, maybe we do actually have like 387 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,920 interference going on. So I started looking into it. And I had a 388 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:36,720 couple of dreams about shape shifting into an owl. And I've been told by 389 00:30:36,839 --> 00:30:41,359 someone that was into it was the Mutual UFO network. He said, oh, 390 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,720 you know, dreams of shape shifting are then trying to get you sort 391 00:30:45,759 --> 00:30:49,480 of into an altered state so that they can then sort of like, you 392 00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:52,559 know, whatever it is that they do. And I said, well, 393 00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:56,359 I can't have been very good at it because I kept crash landing. It 394 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:03,359 was good owl. I think they might have tried to interfere. So yeah, 395 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,319 that was a bit of a revelation because I was like, oh, 396 00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:15,160 okay, so so yeah, I don't discount the reality because statistically it's almost 397 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,519 impossible that there wouldn't be some form of UFA, but I'm not convinced what 398 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,279 we think they are. No, I agree with you. I'll tell you 399 00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:27,240 now. I've seen the UFO way back in nineteen sixty six. Oh wow, 400 00:31:27,279 --> 00:31:30,960 well it might be sixty seven. It was sixty six or sixty seven. 401 00:31:32,119 --> 00:31:34,559 I won't go to it because I'll mentioned it quite but I do believe 402 00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:38,839 in because I've seen them. And funny is should say that because Saturday and 403 00:31:40,039 --> 00:31:44,400 Saturday night, just last Saturday night or Sunday morning, my wife got out 404 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,319 a bed to go to the bathroom, as you do in the middle of 405 00:31:47,319 --> 00:31:51,119 the night, and it was three thirty three in the morning. She looked 406 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:56,480 out the window, as you saw three lights in a triangular formation with an 407 00:31:56,519 --> 00:32:00,599 orange light in the middle of them. They were there for about three seconds, 408 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,200 and she said, you know, just as I sort of looked on 409 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:07,480 them, they sort of they went. And she was quite quite excited about 410 00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:08,400 it, and I said, we why don't you wake me up? She 411 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:14,519 said, well, they've had the time because they were there for about three 412 00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:17,519 seconds and they were gone. So they were over the house opposite. So 413 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,279 what that was I don't know, you're kind of put it down as a 414 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,880 She said that the orange light was pulsating, And the funny thing is the 415 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:30,319 orange light that she's talking about I saw was that I saw a singular or 416 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:34,680 big orange job you going across the night sky back in sixties. I think 417 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:39,799 it was sixty seven actually not sixty six, so that pulse safety. Know, 418 00:32:39,839 --> 00:32:44,519 I understand that because that's what I saw. So there seems to me 419 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:49,480 like Arias don't know where there's more sightings than others. It's like, you 420 00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:52,880 know, I've never to be honest, I've never invited. I don't want 421 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:57,759 to add back to the list of things that are interfering in my life. 422 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,559 Yeah, you see it to see the phenomenon, I'm sure the show you 423 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:07,480 do you must have people that have seen you oppose on this or do you 424 00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:12,119 not or do not or do you avoid inviting that topic or no, we 425 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,599 definitely have. We definitely have had conversations around it. So the person that 426 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:23,000 Natalie referred to earlier is Olsen, who was a really amazing the really kind 427 00:33:23,079 --> 00:33:28,319 of yeah like the journey took us on when it comes to kind of explaining 428 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:34,799 his belief but the way that he experiences. He very much believes that aliens 429 00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:37,960 are real, and the way that he sees them as per se from understanding 430 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:45,559 is who we perceive as spirit guides, and that they're now starting to introduce 431 00:33:45,599 --> 00:33:49,359 themselves in the way they actually look. And the reason why they looked like 432 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,720 a Native American or looked like a Buddhist monk or you know, was so 433 00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:59,440 that we would accept them more readily because we recognized them to be someone familiar 434 00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:04,000 to us. However, they are now starting to interject themselves in the form 435 00:34:04,039 --> 00:34:07,000 that they actually are. And it was so weird that we had that conversation 436 00:34:07,079 --> 00:34:10,719 because I think not even the week before, I had two different people say 437 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:15,400 to me that they had a meditation and a gray had come to visit them, 438 00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:17,800 and they knew and it was two separate people and it was and they 439 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:22,000 knew that there was different work that was going to be coming for them going 440 00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:24,320 forward, They're going to be working differently. So we definitely have come across 441 00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:30,079 people that do believe. I just think that what that belief looks like is 442 00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:36,119 different from persons person. We actually haven't had anyone say I physically have seen 443 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:43,960 what we socially, except to be a UFO or they're not cold GFOS anymore. 444 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:51,000 The reason the reason they made it a UAP is because there were so 445 00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:54,360 many freedom of information requests going in for UFOs that they thought, well, 446 00:34:55,039 --> 00:34:59,639 let me changing their name to UAPs. People would be asking for the UFO 447 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,199 report, you know, So you've got to actually come both places. Now, 448 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:07,119 You've got to say UFO and U A P now and I think but 449 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,480 so they could actually say, what else is the information we've got about UFO? 450 00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:15,400 But you might be you might have seen a U A P. Which 451 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:21,280 so that's where you've got to be careful now. But yeah, I mean 452 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,960 the fact that you're talked about aliens and then the grays have really come into 453 00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:29,119 our psyche. Everyone knows about the grades, don't they, whether you're believing 454 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:34,800 or you know or not. And many people that I know have actually seen 455 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,119 them. I've had several people on the show, you know, they have 456 00:35:38,199 --> 00:35:46,719 actually experienced them. So and it's very it's very striking the amount of similar 457 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:51,840 stories you get from different people who don't know each other. You know. 458 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,239 Yeah, that's the thing about a lot of the phenomenon, isn't it. 459 00:35:54,199 --> 00:36:00,079 It's like if you if you're getting disparate people or with similar experience. You 460 00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:06,960 can't really say that it's sort of people sort of borrowing each other's ideas, 461 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:14,280 because if you have come up with it independently, Yeah, there's a bit 462 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,559 more credibility to it, doesn't it really? Yeah? Oh definitely. I 463 00:36:16,599 --> 00:36:21,320 mean, I say so, I'm up to two hundred. This show's number 464 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,320 two hundred and eleven, So I've got those two hundred. Over those two 465 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,519 hundred shows, I've spoken to quite a lot of people, people that I 466 00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:31,400 know personally and people that I would trust not to be telling me lies. 467 00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:38,280 I've met one or two others as well. That's a different story, but 468 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:45,119 no, you know, the really people you could trust. And yeah, 469 00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:47,239 I don't know what else to say about that. I also believe that they're 470 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:52,639 not they're not all extraterrestrial as well. Yeah, I coming from other planets. 471 00:36:52,639 --> 00:36:54,800 I think a lot of them are interdimensional things, is what you're talking 472 00:36:54,800 --> 00:37:00,519 about, which kind of mixes in with the spiritual realm as well. So 473 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,559 sometimes where we think we're seeing a ghost as such, we could be seeing 474 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,639 the alien. You know, when you see something in a different dimension of 475 00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:13,920 different vibrational play, So you know, yeah, that's why the subjects so 476 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:19,119 so confusing. It's because, like you say, I think it's sort of 477 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:24,320 occurring on a number of different levels. So it's you know, and perhaps 478 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:29,000 all the different kinds of aliens all exist on the different levels as well, 479 00:37:29,039 --> 00:37:32,960 which is perhaps more solid than others. It's like, the world's not just 480 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,159 three D, is it? So? Yeah, definitely not. Yeah, 481 00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:44,960 there's a lot more to it. So there's also the theory of the holographic 482 00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:49,519 universe, which is something I couldn't quite understand a little wall back. I 483 00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:52,360 still don't fully understand it, but I am beginning to get my head around 484 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:57,880 that a little bit. Where yeah, because nothing is solid, so basically 485 00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:04,039 because we're kind of in the third dimension, there's something controlling in the fourth 486 00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:07,159 dimension, but it seems and so you've got to get beyond that into the 487 00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:12,559 fifth dimension, because that's what I was going to say, because they do 488 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:19,119 think as well that the universe is more electrical in nature, so you sort 489 00:38:19,159 --> 00:38:22,320 of think, well, if it's like electrical in nature, then there's a 490 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,400 lot of different sort of electrical levels, isn't there. It's sort of so 491 00:38:25,679 --> 00:38:30,800 I thought that was actually more plausible and interesting because it would explain a lot 492 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:37,079 more phenomenon than just like say, the straight three D sort of version of 493 00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:38,400 the will, because it's like, say, if it is electrical, it 494 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:45,840 would account for different dimensions and things because you've got different electrical frequencies. Yeah, 495 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:52,000 yeah, no, it's yeah. The holographic universe thing is Yeah, 496 00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:57,400 it makes your head sort of spin a bit. Mean, it took me 497 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,559 about three years to begin to get me head around it, begin to kind 498 00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:04,400 of understand where they're coming from now. And it's not just the likes of 499 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,800 David Dyke, who I admired greatly because I've met him a few times and 500 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,960 he's a brilliant man. But it's not just him saying things like that now. 501 00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:19,719 It's actually quite a lot of other scientists saying. David darkes a scientists. 502 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,679 What I'm saying is he's a very very good journalist who has followed up 503 00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:28,039 on a lot of theories and kind of got along with them, and he 504 00:39:28,039 --> 00:39:32,320 puts down the evidence for those theories. So yeah, there's a lot of 505 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:39,440 the way physics is going that they are heading into a more inter dimensional view 506 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,599 of the world, aren't they. And it's like some of the things they're 507 00:39:42,599 --> 00:39:45,199 coming out with You're just like, that could explain those things, and it's 508 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:49,840 like, be interesting to see if science in like two hundred years finally comes 509 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:54,440 around to that. Oh yeah, yeah, well, I mean it leaves 510 00:39:54,599 --> 00:40:00,280 it leaves open an interesting prospect that what we're calling paranormal supernatural, it's not 511 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:07,599 paranormal supernatural at all. It's all quite normal. It's all normal. Well, 512 00:40:07,639 --> 00:40:10,760 I think that's why it persists, because it is kind of normal. 513 00:40:12,519 --> 00:40:15,159 It's like, we just make it, well, yeah, we just make 514 00:40:15,199 --> 00:40:20,760 it abnormal, don't we In a lot of the time by sort of refusing 515 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,239 to accept what because, like you say, everyone says that these things there 516 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:28,719 exist, but everyone's got a ghost story, so you just sort of thing 517 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,719 and a lot of people discount their senses when they're like, oh yeah, 518 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,760 I just knew that would happened, or I knew something was off or something 519 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,440 felt weird, or I thought I got touched, And it's like that is 520 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:43,239 your senses, and we're so used to sort of switching them off and discounting 521 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:47,320 them as not being valid feedback, because I mean, your body is a 522 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:52,199 massive feedback mechanism. Isn't it to help you negotiate the world? So why 523 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,679 wouldn't we be able to perceive these things if they're not there? Yeah, 524 00:40:57,519 --> 00:40:59,960 you know, like you say, we could all sense if you walk in 525 00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:01,760 to a room and that you've always sense the atmosphere in there, can't you. 526 00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:06,159 So I think we've all got that that you think, oh, it's 527 00:41:06,159 --> 00:41:10,119 something going on here. And when certain people walking, they've they've got the 528 00:41:10,159 --> 00:41:15,679 sort of a megnicism ofn't though as well. We did it today with one 529 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:20,360 with my horse. I was teaching a lesson on my horse and he was 530 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,400 standing in front of us, and he'd zoned out, and I said, 531 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:27,199 oh, you know, he's zoned out because he's gotten overwhelmed by what you're 532 00:41:27,199 --> 00:41:30,280 asking him to do. So we'll just stand here and wait. And I 533 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,280 was talking to her and saying she was asking me like how she should hold 534 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,480 space for him, and I said, just stand here and ground into your 535 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:42,239 body and feel your body, and come into your body and the sense of 536 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,440 your realness. And the second I did that, he came towards me. 537 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:50,679 I hadn't done anything else. I was standing there and the only thing was 538 00:41:50,679 --> 00:41:54,119 a shift in my focus from sort of like being up here and talking to 539 00:41:54,239 --> 00:42:00,519 her to actually pulling myself into my body being grounded and present. The horse 540 00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:06,119 immediately stepped towards me three foot and it's like with no other change, And 541 00:42:06,159 --> 00:42:08,559 it's like and I was like he sensed that difference in where my energy was, 542 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:15,400 and it was like and it was it was quite an interesting illustration from 543 00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:16,760 you know, like from the animals. And it's like, well, if 544 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:22,400 they can perceive that kind of change in perception or awareness, you know, 545 00:42:22,519 --> 00:42:27,159 it sort of does make you realize that there's a lot more going on than 546 00:42:28,599 --> 00:42:30,480 you know, I think on that level, animals are far more intelligent people. 547 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,880 Yeah, well, so a bit like horse whisperers. You've heard that 548 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,519 the horse whispers have got There was a great movie a few years back, 549 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,199 and I think I said, already Indians used to talk to their horses, 550 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:45,679 wasn't it back then there was no sort of cruelty involved that she actually got 551 00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:50,559 on to the same mental level as them. Yeah, yeah, you can 552 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,000 do it. You get it a lot. If you can tune into a 553 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:58,760 horse. It's it's startling what they will do, and it's yeah, it's 554 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:04,320 it's quite curious. It is quite curious how different people approach things and get 555 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:08,119 different results. I suppose that's sort of It also explains your paranormal stuff, 556 00:43:08,159 --> 00:43:12,559 doesn't It is if like people can walk up to the same animal and get 557 00:43:12,559 --> 00:43:16,440 a different animal a different response from that animal, and it's like I've had 558 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,440 it when I've been trimming their feet and it's like the owner can't do anything 559 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,760 with them. I've walked in and put what a horse just stands there because 560 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,519 you know, you can just tell the difference, and it's like, this 561 00:43:25,639 --> 00:43:30,519 make you wonder, like with paranormal investigation, whether like sometimes you just go 562 00:43:30,679 --> 00:43:34,199 in and you're serious about what you do in the spirits, like oh, 563 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,239 okay, we'll give you something, whereas other people you're just like, oh, 564 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:38,719 you're taking the mickey or you're not being serious, so I'm not going 565 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:43,920 to interact with you. So it would be interesting. It would be interesting 566 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,320 actually to do that, to get a group of people that didn't take anything 567 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:52,199 seriously and see what they got in response to You know, No, I 568 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,199 think dogs are a bit lots, so I think dogs and cats can often 569 00:43:55,239 --> 00:44:00,199 read what you're thinking as well. Yes, just see when dogs or cats 570 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:04,000 will stir off in the space and you think, are they looking at something 571 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:09,519 that we can't see? Yeah, cats especially. I always said, you 572 00:44:09,559 --> 00:44:15,599 know, I always said cats were actually aliens on Earth. It's a cat 573 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,920 And I always said, do you know when they wraggle their tails? And 574 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:24,480 I'm like, oh, they're contacting the mothership. That's a little And I 575 00:44:24,519 --> 00:44:30,119 always said that cats were aliens in fury form. If you want your alien 576 00:44:30,159 --> 00:44:37,199 theory, there you go. You have you ever read them like astual traveling 577 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:43,280 experiences theise of you carry or that. I wouldn't say astral travel per se. 578 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:49,760 I can do remote viewing and I've done some experiments with that, but 579 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,840 as shuld traveling. The way that I perceived, the way I work is 580 00:44:54,320 --> 00:45:00,840 I feel like I'm not There's levels of consciousness that I haven't access just because 581 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:05,239 of the way that I've been taught with my mediumship. And I feel like 582 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,039 that kind of grounds me in a way which is really weird, where we're 583 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:15,320 weird word to use, and that so the other kind of stuff doesn't happen. 584 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:20,039 I say stuff because I don't quite know how else to so astro traveling, 585 00:45:20,639 --> 00:45:23,320 being able to even down to meditations and stuff and the way that I 586 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,199 visualize things. I don't work in that way. So I find that very 587 00:45:27,199 --> 00:45:30,280 difficult. But in terms of remote viewing, yeah, I can do remote 588 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:37,119 viewing and I've yeah, done some really interesting experiments with some coordinates and being 589 00:45:37,159 --> 00:45:42,800 able to see what I pick up with the record that some given and given 590 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,760 impressions for that visions and stuff. So but I reckon astral travel I keep 591 00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:50,480 back it back to Natally. So you see, with me and Natalie, 592 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,079 we've got two different personalities, two different types of experiences, you see. 593 00:45:54,039 --> 00:45:59,519 So with me, I'm kind of yeah, I feel like my kind of 594 00:45:59,559 --> 00:46:05,880 path is taken a little bit more of a one level kind of journey which 595 00:46:06,039 --> 00:46:08,280 I thrive in, whereas Natalie is working. And remember when I said, 596 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,400 you know, Nannie has got such an interesting brain. This is exactly why 597 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,000 I said it, because these kind of journeys we go on with her. 598 00:46:15,039 --> 00:46:22,000 But astral traveling is that something you do, Nalie by the classical definition? 599 00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:27,559 No, I presume when you say a still travel you mean like the classical 600 00:46:27,639 --> 00:46:34,159 thing where you consciously pull yourself out of your body and go walk about or 601 00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,199 unconsciously you know. Yeah, yeah, no in that case, No, 602 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:43,960 I've done healing. I can tune into people at a distance and sort of 603 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,880 tune into their location. But I don't think of it as traveling because I 604 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:52,760 don't think that on those levels there is distance. So I'm probably not grounded 605 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:58,880 enough into the three D world to actually physically leave my body and physically travel, 606 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:04,320 although I I know it's possible because I had a friend stay in my 607 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,199 flat a little while ago, and I think he wasn't very well and he 608 00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,480 went up in the middle of the night because I saw this figure come flying 609 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:15,000 across my room and fall over, and I was like, I was just 610 00:47:15,039 --> 00:47:17,599 like, what the hell was he doing, sort of like in my room, 611 00:47:17,679 --> 00:47:22,880 you know, And then I found out that he was He was asleep 612 00:47:22,599 --> 00:47:28,599 in like three rooms down for me in my flat, and he actually told 613 00:47:28,639 --> 00:47:31,159 me the next day that he sort of dreamt that he'd gone through the wall 614 00:47:31,199 --> 00:47:36,719 and fell over, and I was like, well, I saw it. 615 00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:44,760 It was the bizarre Yeah, no, I've known. I had an ex 616 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,079 boyfriend once where when I stayed over his house, he got up in the 617 00:47:47,159 --> 00:47:52,440 night to go to the bathroom and left himself behind. It was the bizarrest 618 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:57,360 thing because it's like his physical person had left the room, but he was 619 00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,440 still asleep, sort of like that's a little bit weird. I hope they 620 00:48:01,639 --> 00:48:07,639 sort of joined back together. But yeah, so it's like but yeah, 621 00:48:07,039 --> 00:48:10,400 so personally, no, I'm not. I don't like the idea of it. 622 00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:15,480 I don't know why, but it may just be that I'm not. 623 00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:20,400 I'm an intellectual, so I can shift dimensions, but I can't. The 624 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,239 idea of physically going there is alien to me. But I mean, if 625 00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:30,400 you tried astral travel yourself, well, I think we all do it in 626 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,079 my own belief. I think when we have these dreams where we're flying through 627 00:48:34,119 --> 00:48:37,199 the air and and then I suddenly wake up at the start, I do 628 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:44,199 believe we all do it. I don't do it, you know I want 629 00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,480 to do it. I think it just happens anyway. You know when you 630 00:48:46,599 --> 00:48:53,199 have that sensation when you're falling in a dreamy Yeah, okay, okay, 631 00:48:54,679 --> 00:48:59,519 you do the psychology whatever. So what what would you read that is? 632 00:49:00,159 --> 00:49:07,519 So for me, that would be it would be your bodily respond body responding 633 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:14,159 to the subconscious action. So your body is aware that your mental state is 634 00:49:14,199 --> 00:49:17,280 telling you that there is a full so your body response. So the body 635 00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:22,960 engages quicker than the brain does as well, So your body will naturally respond 636 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:28,119 to something and that's why we kind of catch yourself when we fall, but 637 00:49:28,159 --> 00:49:30,159 we're not really fall in. That's what psychology would tell me. However, 638 00:49:31,159 --> 00:49:36,760 would I would also lean into the fact that there is something going on that 639 00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,960 the two worlds is kind of mixing for you to be able to feel that 640 00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:44,960 and sense it in the way that you are. But like Natalie, that 641 00:49:45,519 --> 00:49:50,159 visualization of being able to wonder, and I think part of me would actually 642 00:49:50,199 --> 00:49:54,960 like to do that. But at the same time, yeah, I think 643 00:49:55,039 --> 00:50:04,880 remote viewing also is quite interesting. That's exactly I was just thinking. It's 644 00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,880 like, you know, when you remote you Kerry, do you feel like 645 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,719 you're going there? Or do you feel like you're looking at a screen? 646 00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,639 Because I was going to say you feel like you were going there? I 647 00:50:14,639 --> 00:50:17,119 suppose that would be a form of asterial travel, or do you just feel 648 00:50:17,159 --> 00:50:25,239 like you're tuning into it's I suppose I visualize myself doing it, but it's 649 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:29,559 not so much a visualization of that. I'm aware. So when I go 650 00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:31,880 into Norwold state, I'm very much aware that my body feels like it's in 651 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:36,360 a complete sleep state, but my mind is very aware to everything that's going 652 00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,599 on around me, and it's not that sensation of where my body is completely 653 00:50:39,679 --> 00:50:45,679 relaxed and I'm asleep. It's almost like in my mind's I I'm able to 654 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:49,159 go up a step and go into a dorawn, I think to self, 655 00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,159 right, I'm going into this. For example, I'm doing a reading and 656 00:50:52,199 --> 00:50:55,760 I want to have a look. I'm reading someone and they want to know 657 00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,360 about that Nan, and I go, okay, I want to have a 658 00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,559 look around NaN's house. If not allowed for me, and I will go, 659 00:51:00,679 --> 00:51:02,679 okay, I'm going to the step. I'm going to the door, 660 00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,840 and there in front of me will be the door. And then I'm in 661 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,840 the hallway and I'm aware of the colors and the sounds and the smells, 662 00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,840 and I can see what's the right of me. I can see what's the 663 00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:15,639 left to me. So I'm able to give some kind of description. And 664 00:51:15,679 --> 00:51:21,079 that's kind of how it happens for me. Whereas where I'd assume you know 665 00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:25,920 that ashould travel. Travel is the sensation that you're your body and your mind 666 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:30,960 is in a place, but also in a kind of relaxing state. That's 667 00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,719 how I would make sense of it. I'm not saying that's how everyone would, 668 00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,679 but that's how I feel like my body would know. I would know 669 00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:42,119 that that's happening for me. Mmmm. I don't remember anyone else, but 670 00:51:42,199 --> 00:51:45,519 that's how I perceive it anyway. Interesting. Yeah, No, I was 671 00:51:45,519 --> 00:51:47,079 actually going to say, I don't know if you've heard of a lady called 672 00:51:47,119 --> 00:51:52,960 Indigo Phoenix. Okay, no, I haven't. She's on Facebook quite a 673 00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:57,800 bit and she's done a lot of that sort of sort of thing. She 674 00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,519 would be a good person to get on your show actually at some point that 675 00:52:01,679 --> 00:52:06,559 she's done a lot of remote viewing actually with the with the with with the 676 00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:10,320 police and everything, looking for missing people and all sorts of stuff. But 677 00:52:10,519 --> 00:52:14,800 I just wonder if what your view on that would be, if if you've 678 00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,800 done remote viewing, would you would you be able to sort of help the 679 00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:22,039 police out? Do you think I would give it? I'd give it a 680 00:52:22,119 --> 00:52:25,320 good go. I would give it. I would give it a good go. 681 00:52:27,039 --> 00:52:30,280 I think the thing with mediumship as well is that it's a real subjective 682 00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:34,880 journey. It's not something that you can share and kind of go did you 683 00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,119 see that too? And then I like, yeah, I saw that too. 684 00:52:37,159 --> 00:52:42,360 It's really subjective. So you always have that doubt of what if what 685 00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,000 if I can't do this, or what if this isn't going to go the 686 00:52:45,039 --> 00:52:46,639 way? What if I get it wrong or if I interpret it wrong. 687 00:52:49,079 --> 00:52:52,039 So I would always give it a go, but I always know that there'd 688 00:52:52,039 --> 00:52:54,840 be that critical voice in my head, going, if you can't this time. 689 00:52:55,360 --> 00:53:00,400 But absolutely I think what I have a friend that would just send me 690 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,719 random coordinates and it could be of anything, and I would try. That 691 00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,960 was how I used to develop that or work on that. Would I would 692 00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:12,159 just see what whether it's a sound or a smell. I do it now 693 00:53:12,159 --> 00:53:17,679 through photos and post up photos and I kind of see what I can smell 694 00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:22,079 there, what I can feel there. Most recently there was one that was 695 00:53:22,119 --> 00:53:29,000 done by the Dimension guys their names now, bless them. But yeah, 696 00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,480 so it's just it's finding ways of being able to affect that is what I'm 697 00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:36,960 saying. It's being able to train it. It's like a muscle. But 698 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,280 absolutely, if I could, I absolutely would do that, definitely, Because 699 00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,880 I have a good authority is that they do actually go to psychics occasionally to 700 00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,559 to on sold cases, especially with missing people and things like that, but 701 00:53:47,679 --> 00:53:52,039 they don't make a big thing about it. So no, no, I 702 00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:57,679 can imagine not. Yeah, that's been great talking to you both anyway. 703 00:53:58,159 --> 00:54:00,280 So who have you got on your show? Who's your next guest on your 704 00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:08,559 show? We have a show that goes live this week. We have some 705 00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:15,199 ladies from Canada who are absolutely fascinating. They're coming onto the show. They're 706 00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:21,159 talking about a big investigation they've got coming up at a well, it's a 707 00:54:21,159 --> 00:54:24,800 bit a bit of a dark kind of location. It's not one I would 708 00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:30,480 normally put I would actually vision them going to, but there's lots of history 709 00:54:30,519 --> 00:54:40,119 there from lots of people meeting their end there. And Hinsdale House. Was 710 00:54:40,159 --> 00:54:49,760 it Hinsdale House? Interesting? Yes? Yeah? So yeah. They're even 711 00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:57,079 brewing their own beer as well, called Booberry, which is really interesting Booberry 712 00:54:57,159 --> 00:55:04,800 Beer, I think. So the further that you've got is it what's his 713 00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:10,239 name? Then Coffee was known then then you always it, Then Cothink was 714 00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:15,840 known. Oh I know you're talking about Yeah, then are you're talking about 715 00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:22,039 the Moss? Then Moss is one of them? I think you No, 716 00:55:22,119 --> 00:55:25,920 it's not Donny Moss. So the ladies that we've got coming in are from 717 00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:37,559 Canida. I don't want to give their paranormal name. Role yeah, yes, 718 00:55:37,679 --> 00:55:44,000 absolutely amazing women and they've got some really interesting kind of backgrounds of where 719 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,400 they come from. So yeah, we're looking forward to that. We're currently 720 00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:52,000 looking for more guests that would be interesting in coming along to us our show. 721 00:55:52,119 --> 00:55:54,639 So if anyone does want to come along and have a chat with us, 722 00:55:54,639 --> 00:56:00,760 the more welcome to get in touch with us. I don't like coming. 723 00:56:00,679 --> 00:56:10,400 I can tell you my UFO stories somewhere. Send me an invite the 724 00:56:10,519 --> 00:56:19,639 day and I'll be pleased to come on if you want. It's been great 725 00:56:19,639 --> 00:56:22,880 have your the show. Thanks for coming on, and I do mean that. 726 00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,920 Carry and and you soon that if ever you're coming down this way, 727 00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:30,320 we should do an investigation. Carry, I might talk to you about something. 728 00:56:30,519 --> 00:56:37,440 Do you ever go to the the Essex UH Paranormal UFO group? Have 729 00:56:37,519 --> 00:56:43,239 you been to that one at all? Uh? I haven't been to the 730 00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:50,519 meet yet, but I met I met David and his wife at the Iron 731 00:56:50,559 --> 00:56:58,199 Works at the investigation that they Yeah, so I've met them there, and 732 00:56:58,559 --> 00:57:01,239 yes, I'm hoping to come along to one of their meetings. But yes, 733 00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:07,239 really interesting people. But we investigated the iron Works in South End together. 734 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,320 Oh. I was hoping to come along to that wasn't you. I 735 00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:13,119 was, Yeah, we were in America. Unfortunately we were just coming back 736 00:57:13,159 --> 00:57:21,360 from America, so so so yeah, but yeah, there's something interesting. 737 00:57:22,039 --> 00:57:24,880 So there's something interesting that's kind of connected to that. It's called SEPPI. 738 00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:30,039 It's an investigation groups just being set up, and you may well be an 739 00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:35,119 asset to the group as well as being interested in doing what the group does. 740 00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:37,280 So I'll have a chat with you about that if you're interested. If 741 00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,960 you're interested in doing something like that, you'll be able to use your your 742 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:46,599 capabilities and also probably find some interesting things to get involved with. If you're 743 00:57:46,599 --> 00:57:53,880 interested, perfect, Definitely chat with you about that. But apart from that, 744 00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:57,119 it's been great talking to you. And yes, I would like to 745 00:57:57,159 --> 00:58:00,559 come on the show if you'd like to send me an invite, and I'll 746 00:58:00,559 --> 00:58:05,440 talk to you again soon. Good luck with your show. Thank you, 747 00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,440 thank you very much. That's a leading Kerry. Thank you very much for 748 00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,679 coming on. And they'll take care of yourself so and I'll speak to you 749 00:58:09,719 --> 00:58:15,480 again soon, right, thank you, Yes, take care of yourself by 750 00:58:15,199 --> 00:58:20,320 thank you, carry in Ansley and good luck with your own show. Right 751 00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,400 next show, I've got another extra show for you. And that's next week. 752 00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:30,559 That's the twenty ninth of July, and that's Mark Bolly returning and it's 753 00:58:30,599 --> 00:58:34,679 going to be talking about something to do with paranormal connections to archaeology, so 754 00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,039 that will be quite interesting. So I hope you're going to join me for 755 00:58:37,079 --> 00:58:40,519 that one. Now. At the beginning of the show, I played a 756 00:58:40,559 --> 00:58:46,360 short segment advertising something that's going to be taking place on August third in Suffolk 757 00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:51,159 and Essex on the border there. So I'm going to play this again just 758 00:58:51,199 --> 00:58:54,599 in case you missed it. Here it is. We've all heard of close 759 00:58:54,679 --> 00:58:59,920 encounters of the third kind, but well you're aware there is a fifth close 760 00:59:00,039 --> 00:59:02,960 in Kansas. The fifth kind, or CE five, is centered around human 761 00:59:04,039 --> 00:59:09,360 initiated cosmic contact with our et frames designed and promoted by doctor Stephen Greed since 762 00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:14,679 the nineties. Come and Shoyu for yourself and an event being held on Saturday 763 00:59:14,719 --> 00:59:19,079 the third of August on the board for Essex and Suffolk. To book your 764 00:59:19,119 --> 00:59:27,320 place, visit www SEP Hyphenagency dot com s s e P I Hyphenagency dot 765 00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,840 Com. Today spaces are limited, so there it is. It's actually quite 766 00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:34,639 close to Colchester. As I said, if you can't find it, just 767 00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:37,639 get in touch with me and I'll put you in a rupt direction. So 768 00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:42,000 once again, might email addresses David Young too q in at your hoo dot 769 00:59:42,039 --> 00:59:45,199 co dot uk. That's David Young two q in at your hoo dot co 770 00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,559 dot UK. That's if you ever want to get in touch with me. 771 00:59:49,039 --> 00:59:51,440 So I hope you're joining me a game for the next show that's on July 772 00:59:51,519 --> 00:59:54,639 the twenty nine, with Mark Gollie returning another extra show for you. So 773 00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:58,360 until then, take care everyone, and I will speak to you of the 774 00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:02,440 twenty ninth. By bye time for good to bed night. It is late. 775 01:00:04,079 --> 01:00:15,599 Shall we retire? Good night? Leave pay pleasant terrain, Hey spooky 776 01:00:15,679 --> 01:00:22,280 eh. Parorable Dimensions is as bright and powerful as our celestial starves up. 777 01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:25,760 And although it's expending thousands of pounds of energy every minute of the day, 778 01:00:27,159 --> 01:01:31,039 have no fear. There's plenty left. Paranormal Dimensions is fortnightly on Mondays on 779 01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:34,360 the Paranormal UK Radio Network.