WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.520 --> 00:00:07.440 This is the baseline, discussing the hot button topics of the nb A welcome 2 00:00:07.480 --> 00:00:10.919 everybody, you are tuned to the baseline. Calie warren Shaw discussing the hot 3 00:00:10.960 --> 00:00:17.559 button topics of the NBA first Show, twenty twenty four. And as we 4 00:00:17.600 --> 00:00:21.839 are doing this first show, and I'm glad that we're doing it now because 5 00:00:21.960 --> 00:00:24.640 you know what I'm saying. Just like that, my man Shaw is already 6 00:00:24.640 --> 00:00:28.000 out like a light. He's like deuces to He's like, he's like, 7 00:00:28.039 --> 00:00:33.799 I can't, I can't, I can't leave twenty twenty four First Trips already 8 00:00:34.359 --> 00:00:37.719 you ready to roll? Yeah, man, Yeah, but shout out to 9 00:00:37.759 --> 00:00:41.079 everybody here on the baseline. Tune in with us as always. Yeah, 10 00:00:41.200 --> 00:00:44.280 so tapping in here before I take a little little vac as well too. 11 00:00:44.320 --> 00:00:47.320 You know, wife celebrating five year anniversary. So you to all the marriage 12 00:00:47.359 --> 00:00:51.479 folks, walk to the baseline. That's what's up in marriage is a beautiful 13 00:00:51.479 --> 00:00:57.439 thing, man, It's a beautiful thing. Fact, not one, not 14 00:00:57.600 --> 00:01:02.560 two, not three, four. At least at least you can at least 15 00:01:02.560 --> 00:01:07.840 you speaking with it with confidence right when you made this prediction. Yeah, 16 00:01:07.879 --> 00:01:11.159 man, I'm in because because we because we know your wife is is a 17 00:01:11.079 --> 00:01:15.000 is a heat fan, right, So I'm sure when you sat down you 18 00:01:15.040 --> 00:01:19.079 had this conversation. It's like, don't be pulling old lebron way nonsense. 19 00:01:19.120 --> 00:01:22.879 Would be we when I'm doing this, we were getting all of this. 20 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:30.439 We're getting all of this anyway. You know. Welcome to you and yours 21 00:01:30.439 --> 00:01:33.560 man, and as always, man, we appreciate everybody hopping on board with 22 00:01:33.640 --> 00:01:36.879 us. This week, great show on tap, oh man sew and I 23 00:01:36.959 --> 00:01:40.480 you know, discussing the hot button topics of the n b A. We're 24 00:01:40.480 --> 00:01:44.200 gonna be doing a little discussion of trade wins. You know what I'm saying, 25 00:01:44.439 --> 00:01:48.560 Uh, what does that mean? There's certain players as we start approaching 26 00:01:48.680 --> 00:01:57.120 the window for for for possible trade trade uh you know, trading happening, 27 00:01:57.239 --> 00:02:00.959 you know, trade deadline and things of that nature. So there's a couple 28 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:04.439 of players that have been you know, discussed and bantered about, and so 29 00:02:04.480 --> 00:02:07.479 we'll get into that whether or not these trade rumors will blow or they getting 30 00:02:07.479 --> 00:02:14.759 flown okay blown or getting phone with some of these dudes. And then it's 31 00:02:14.759 --> 00:02:16.960 been a while since we did this and stuff. Man, we had this 32 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:22.360 segment we call impress me, you know, I mean dudes right now that 33 00:02:22.439 --> 00:02:28.039 are just completely like balling out of nowhere, and I think have certainly not 34 00:02:28.039 --> 00:02:31.759 not only just impressed us, but I think has impressed the NBA community and 35 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:36.360 their team in kind. 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Continue to keep us on our toes, 69 00:04:48.360 --> 00:04:53.240 you know, as we as we purge forward and continue to keep delivering 70 00:04:53.240 --> 00:04:57.800 the button goods. As I used to say discussing the hot button topics of 71 00:04:58.040 --> 00:05:02.560 the NBA. All right, so without further aduce Shaw, let's get right 72 00:05:02.600 --> 00:05:09.600 into it, man, trade wins. We're gonna be talking about players who 73 00:05:11.720 --> 00:05:15.639 the rumors are gonna either get blown get blown up, or they getting flown 74 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:18.439 they getting sent elsewhere. And I think one of the hot button players out 75 00:05:18.439 --> 00:05:27.199 there right now is for Toronto Raptors Power Force last Center, Pascal sack them. 76 00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:33.240 Listen, I know you know it's a foregone conclusion that the talent of 77 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:40.000 Pascal is still somewhere in that conversation is he has another level, he has 78 00:05:40.040 --> 00:05:44.240 another gear. Don't know whether or not he'll ever find that continuing to play 79 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:47.519 for the Toronto Raptors. But Seaw, I think we can both agree on 80 00:05:47.839 --> 00:05:51.560 if you are the Toronto Raptors, you really have to start thinking about your 81 00:05:51.639 --> 00:05:57.759 rebuilding process, especially since you've already gotten rid of Fred van Fleet. You 82 00:05:57.759 --> 00:06:01.879 are finally able to offload og In and Obi right, and in return you're 83 00:06:01.920 --> 00:06:06.839 getting a quality player n RJ. Barrett right, and you've got some supplementary 84 00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:10.519 pieces. I think you really want to try and test the waters and give 85 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:15.000 opportunity and time and see what the organization can get, you know, from 86 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:18.680 those players. I think if Pascal Siakam is the last piece, I think 87 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:21.959 you definitely have to consider it and think you definitely need to sell high. 88 00:06:23.360 --> 00:06:30.519 You know, while the talent level and the the clamoring for his height, 89 00:06:30.759 --> 00:06:33.399 what he can brings to the table is in high demand right now in the 90 00:06:33.439 --> 00:06:38.519 current NBA climate. Yeah, Toronto's are just in a situation where they want 91 00:06:38.560 --> 00:06:41.839 to align the rest of the roster to the age I think, and building 92 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:46.759 around Scotty Barnes. So with Barnes basically being seven years younger than Siakam, 93 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:49.720 the timeline is a necessarily exact and I think the Raptors kind of realize, 94 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:54.759 kind of realize that this isn't a roster that's going to take them to another 95 00:06:54.839 --> 00:06:59.319 NBA Championship in any capacity. However, as you know, as we record, 96 00:06:59.600 --> 00:07:02.519 rumors coming out here that Siakam might get an extension because he's really started 97 00:07:02.519 --> 00:07:06.000 to pick things up here in the last you know, fifteen fifteen days or 98 00:07:06.040 --> 00:07:09.800 so. He's really playing good, good basketball. But you could use that 99 00:07:09.839 --> 00:07:14.439 as well, he's boostering his trade value as well. Toronto does not really 100 00:07:14.480 --> 00:07:17.839 know where it's going just yet as we record here today, but I think, 101 00:07:18.240 --> 00:07:23.680 I think and Suspectiaca will ultimately be moved here and they try to go 102 00:07:23.720 --> 00:07:27.959 in another direction. There are a couple of teams that that have been mentioned. 103 00:07:28.360 --> 00:07:32.079 Sham's reported over the course of this last week that Sacramento has a lot 104 00:07:32.160 --> 00:07:36.120 of interest. Chris Haynes reported that Golden State has emerged as a as a 105 00:07:36.519 --> 00:07:41.680 dark horse team that has some interest in as well. Rumors about Miami, 106 00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:45.519 rumors about Philadelphia at one point, and Atlanta Hawks for another team that are 107 00:07:45.600 --> 00:07:47.279 kind of influxed and not really sure what they want to do, have also 108 00:07:47.319 --> 00:07:50.639 been mentioned as well too. When the season started, I thought Atlanta might 109 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:55.680 have made a lot of sense. As the season has progressed, Atlanta seems 110 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:58.480 to be going in the opposite direction of that, So I don't know if 111 00:07:58.480 --> 00:08:01.639 that's where ultimately goes. I think it probably he does land somewhere out west, 112 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:05.360 but for what package and what team that remains to be determined. But 113 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:09.319 the mere fact that they're still thinking about extending him is really interesting. And 114 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:13.000 do you want to be tied into Siacame as good as he is? You 115 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:15.800 know, at forty plus million dollars a year right now, he's going to 116 00:08:15.879 --> 00:08:18.160 make thirty seven in his final year. That's only going to go up. 117 00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:22.639 So yes, he's a twenty point per game guy. But does he stunt 118 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:26.040 the growth ultimately of Scottie Barnes and then even r J Barrett if that's who 119 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:28.199 you're traded, You traded Ojan Ando before you know? What are you expecting 120 00:08:28.199 --> 00:08:31.839 out of those guys? Any manual quickly? Who I think a lot of 121 00:08:31.879 --> 00:08:37.159 people are saying, has Tyrese maxi ish talent if given the opportunity, So 122 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:39.120 the get in the way of that? Or can he play alongside that? 123 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:41.919 All those all those questions remain to be answered. Yeah, listen, if 124 00:08:41.919 --> 00:08:48.279 you're the Toronto Raptors right now, you cannot find a better window of opportunity 125 00:08:48.320 --> 00:08:52.279 for yourself, for you really to consider this, this this idea about possibly 126 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:58.120 moving him. You know, there are several teams SHAW that I think have 127 00:08:58.399 --> 00:09:03.519 access to one a player like Siakam, and I think the question just comes 128 00:09:03.559 --> 00:09:05.759 down to are you just willing to pull the trigger? And I think it 129 00:09:05.799 --> 00:09:09.039 puts some of these gms in a tenable position when you think about that, 130 00:09:09.159 --> 00:09:13.559 because if they don't pull the trigger, then it clearly means that they have 131 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:20.879 a mindset of what they believe that the team should look like and the expectations 132 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:24.440 of that being successful because they should be, you know, participating in the 133 00:09:24.440 --> 00:09:30.039 playoffs. Right. So when you talk about teams like the Golden State Warriors, 134 00:09:30.519 --> 00:09:39.159 it is quite obvious that if you have a certain system like what Steve 135 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:43.039 Kerr has, but the players that you're utilizing are not able to execute that 136 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:50.399 system effectively. Whether you're siding with your star players or not, whatever the 137 00:09:50.399 --> 00:09:54.759 case may be, wherever you are with your GM, I would think you 138 00:09:54.879 --> 00:10:01.399 have to kind of kick that tire around and see can this person and really 139 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:07.519 augment offset a lot of the deficiencies that this quote unquote system that the coach 140 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:13.480 is implemented or wanting to see come out happening you know, and and look, 141 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:18.360 it's this is the question here is how many other players like a Pascal 142 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:24.840 Siakam are available to be able to help bolster what your team is going to 143 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:28.200 give you and afford to do. If there are a plethora of other players 144 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:31.320 out there, then I would say, yeah, you know, you don't 145 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:33.159 necessarily have to do it. Maybe you can get you know what I'm saying 146 00:10:35.679 --> 00:10:41.960 a a a lesser version of a Pascal Siakam type to to to do those 147 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:46.960 things. But I really do think that if you're a competitive basketball team and 148 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:52.960 you have pieces that are more questionable than more ironclad, then I really think 149 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:56.320 you have toally you have to explore you know that that that situation I think 150 00:10:56.480 --> 00:11:01.759 where you can throw out of the conversation. Are these young teams like the 151 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:05.799 Magic, the Thunder, the Sacramento Kings, even though I think the Sacramento 152 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:09.120 Kings believe that they have to do that. To me, the Sacramento Kings 153 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:13.080 are a funny team because I believe you're playing with fire. I believe it's 154 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:16.519 about you believing in the players that got you to where you were last year 155 00:11:16.840 --> 00:11:20.279 and them getting better. And if they're not getting better and they're taking a 156 00:11:20.360 --> 00:11:26.159 significant step back. Then, to me, that's more on what accountability is 157 00:11:26.200 --> 00:11:30.120 the head coach and the coaching staff having on some of these players. What 158 00:11:30.159 --> 00:11:33.000 are we doing with the rotations, What are we doing about instilling that competitiveness 159 00:11:33.039 --> 00:11:37.480 with these guys, because you can't take such a big step back in an 160 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:41.000 already open Western Conference and teams that you were clearly better than last year. 161 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:46.000 Like we knew that the Kings were better than the Oklahoma City Thunder, we 162 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:48.320 knew that they were better than the Minnesota Timberwolves. Well, how now suddenly 163 00:11:48.360 --> 00:11:52.639 are baby leap frogged over you and suddenly becomes so much better than you that 164 00:11:52.679 --> 00:11:56.080 it's now forcing you to have to be in trade conversations about getting a guy 165 00:11:56.120 --> 00:12:01.360 like Pascal Siakam and what would you willing to give that up in order to 166 00:12:01.960 --> 00:12:07.720 assume that Sam's presence is going to elevate them into that conversation? Is he 167 00:12:07.799 --> 00:12:11.679 really that type of player? I don't believe. So I think it's it's 168 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:16.440 how Siacam is ultimately casted. Right, So you look at where he was 169 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:18.840 the most successful when they won an NBA championship, and he was basically the 170 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:24.279 third banana. If you will he's one two wherever. How do you want 171 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:26.200 to call it in Toronto right now? And I think that's where you're limiting 172 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:31.240 your success in a place like Sacramento. He's probably third banana again behind Fox 173 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:35.120 and Sabonis. And while Sabonus isn't a volume scorer, he's you know, 174 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:39.000 he's a scorer in the range of Siakam, you know, the twenty ish 175 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:41.399 to twenty two with type type of game. I don't know though, from 176 00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:46.279 a side standpoint, because that's where Sacramento really struggled at certain points in the 177 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:50.360 rebounding. Sakam is a decent rebounder, but not necessarily a plus rebounder, 178 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:52.639 so it's an interesting fit. I think they're just looking at it from a 179 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:56.320 talent standpoint. Do you get off of Keik and Murray to bring Siakam there? 180 00:12:56.759 --> 00:13:01.080 The contract of Harrison Barnes probably has to be than that from a veteran 181 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:03.919 side, and also just to kind of match some money. So the things 182 00:13:03.960 --> 00:13:07.399 there don't really make don't line up for me immediately, But I understand why 183 00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:11.639 Sacramento wants to just kind of get into the space where they're trying to put 184 00:13:11.679 --> 00:13:16.240 accelerant on their their overall success. The team that hasn't been mentioned that makes 185 00:13:16.279 --> 00:13:18.159 a lot of sense to me, and I'd love to get your thoughts on 186 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:22.159 it really quickly is Dallas. To me, you know, Grant Williams has 187 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:28.159 been all right, but hasn't really done the job right. It's like you 188 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:33.159 struggle to get that out. I think Siakam alongside uh, you know you, 189 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:37.600 you continue to develop a guy like you know, Derek Lively at that 190 00:13:37.639 --> 00:13:41.679 center position, you still have Powell and players like that. I think he 191 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:46.799 could pretty much be what Dallas needs in essence to kind of get them into 192 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:50.320 that next tier. But again, if he go to Sacramento or if you 193 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:54.159 were to go into the Golden State, I can understand why either one of 194 00:13:54.200 --> 00:13:56.200 those teams that would do it. The last thing I'll say about it really 195 00:13:56.240 --> 00:14:00.159 quickly is before you give your thoughts on Dallas is because we don't we're not 196 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:01.679 sure what direction Atlanta wants to go. I just don't know how they're in 197 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:07.080 this conversation because Atlanta's thinking about selling off parts, So what are you doing 198 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:11.120 if you're acquiring I would have to assume they're trying to offload Trey Young there 199 00:14:11.159 --> 00:14:16.039 too. I'd have to assume they're trying to offload Capella, right, I 200 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:18.519 mean, but do you want Zakam to be your small ball five or you 201 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:20.960 you do? Do does it really? But does it really? That's for 202 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:26.840 a congo, But it doesn't really matter, I mean because ahead well well, 203 00:14:26.879 --> 00:14:30.200 well, I mean, at the end of the day, Atlanta's is 204 00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:33.559 to me probably the biggest wild card in the situation because you just don't know 205 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:35.320 what direction they're teetering on. We'll talk about them in a minute, but 206 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:39.159 the Jonte is up for potential trade, the deck bays of potential trade. 207 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:43.639 Copella is always in trade rumors, So what exactly direction is Atlanta trying to 208 00:14:43.639 --> 00:14:48.039 go? Knowing that Trey Young also air quotes wants to win. So to 209 00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:50.200 me, it's it's very, very convoluted when you think about some of the 210 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:54.159 teams that are sniffing around Siakam and then understanding what role you want Sakam to 211 00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:58.039 ultimately play for that new roster. Well, okay, So it's interesting because 212 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:03.600 when I think about the Atlanta Hawks, I believe that they are a mirrored 213 00:15:03.639 --> 00:15:07.320 image in a way of the Dallas Mavericks, only in that you have two 214 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:13.159 dynamic guards and yet where your team really suffers is on your front court play. 215 00:15:13.559 --> 00:15:18.320 You don't have consistency from your front Now, look, if you compared 216 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:22.399 the rosters and you look at the way that these teams play, it's kind 217 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:26.080 of hard to imagine why the Atlanta Hawks have been struggling as much as they've 218 00:15:26.080 --> 00:15:30.159 been struggling, like sidek days putting up decent numbers. But if you ask 219 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:31.840 me and you made the comparison of say, like the Dallas Mavericks, I 220 00:15:31.840 --> 00:15:35.200 mean, look what they're getting from Dante Exim, from Tim Hardaway Junior right, 221 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:39.360 and from Derek Livelan, and you put those numbers up and they're not 222 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:41.919 you know, in the same level of comparison of what you're getting from Clint 223 00:15:41.960 --> 00:15:48.799 Capella and from Sadiq Bay So I think there's clearly something in the chemistry the 224 00:15:48.799 --> 00:15:52.480 way that the team flows with that type of roster. So to your point, 225 00:15:52.519 --> 00:15:58.320 Shaw, do I think Pascal Siakam is a good fit for the Dallas 226 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:02.519 Mavericks. I would say yes, because if you're down on Grant Williams, 227 00:16:02.799 --> 00:16:06.759 you you know, Dante ExHAM has been really good, but you're not gonna 228 00:16:06.759 --> 00:16:11.159 rely on that. Again, this is more of a backcourt heavy type roster. 229 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:15.799 They really have nothing in the front court, even while they are developing 230 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:21.039 Derek Lively, so an approven player like Pascal Siakam, I think his presence 231 00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:26.360 and I think his contributions will be so much more significant to the Dallas Mavericks 232 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:30.039 than I would see with the Atlanta with the Alama So I'm glad to say 233 00:16:30.080 --> 00:16:33.000 falcons with the Atlanta Hawks. Here's the interesting part though, If you are 234 00:16:33.039 --> 00:16:38.799 the Toronto Raptors, what kind of package do you think would be better fit 235 00:16:38.960 --> 00:16:45.039 for them to consider whatever's coming from the Dallas Mavericks or whatever would be coming 236 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:48.919 from the Atlanta Hawks, Because I think that there's more attractive, attractive pieces 237 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:52.200 to give to the Toronto Raptors to get a guy at Pascal Siakam with the 238 00:16:52.240 --> 00:16:55.440 Atlanta Hawks. Doesn't mean that I think that Siakam going to the Atlanta Hawks 239 00:16:55.480 --> 00:16:57.159 is better, But I agree with you in the sense that with doubt the 240 00:16:57.240 --> 00:17:00.720 Dallas Mavericks, they would soar need a guy like that who I think can 241 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:07.400 bolster that team's front court presence, rebounding, scoring consistency. He won't be 242 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:14.799 the greatest defensive replacements for this team, but definitely but He's definitely ten steps 243 00:17:14.799 --> 00:17:18.920 ahead of where this Dallas Mavericks seam was as they suffer defending the basketball. 244 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:22.759 Yeah, well, I mean it's a great question because Toronto has a weird 245 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:27.519 rosters as even as is constructed. So I think when you're looking what pieces 246 00:17:27.519 --> 00:17:33.200 you're trying to bring back, is you're bringing back Siakam's actual replacements to build 247 00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:37.880 upon, or are you moving Scottie Barnes into a four ish role when he's 248 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:41.440 been playing point guard two and three, you know, all season long. 249 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:45.400 So it's it's a really really interesting case study here on the Raptors. But 250 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:48.920 I agree with you whole hartly that I think Atlanta at face value has a 251 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:52.119 better package of players too, because that they could get off of the Hundre 252 00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:53.480 Hunter if you don't believe in the guy will talk about later on. But 253 00:17:53.640 --> 00:17:57.079 you know, Jalen Johnson is somebody who thinks is emerging that hey, maybe 254 00:17:57.119 --> 00:18:00.000 you'd want want to take a flyer there on that too. In addition, 255 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:03.359 I mean, you don't want Capella and Yaka Purtle together, but there's just 256 00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:07.400 other players there. I think that speak to what Toronto may ultimately want if 257 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:11.160 they wanted to make a move there from from Atlanta. Whereas you're looking at 258 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:15.240 the Mavericks and Grant Williams probably has to go in that after January fifteenth? 259 00:18:15.640 --> 00:18:19.680 Would you trade Tim Hardaway junior to match salaries? But he's been your sixth 260 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:23.720 man of the year. Josh Green, Jayden Harvey like prospect guys, but 261 00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:26.000 do they get in the way of Argie Barrett. So to me, I 262 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:29.440 agree with one thousand percent in Atlanta has the better package of that work to 263 00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:33.400 go. But ultimately, you know, the last team I'll discuss on this 264 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:36.200 and we'll move on from siakam is. If Golden State does get into this, 265 00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:40.279 then are you asking for the Moodies and the coamingas you know back if 266 00:18:40.319 --> 00:18:42.039 you're Toronto, And I'd say that that's kind of what it has to take 267 00:18:42.079 --> 00:18:47.200 in essence to try to move that to Golden State specifically because you want to 268 00:18:47.200 --> 00:18:49.480 make sure that you're getting talent that at least seems to be on the upswing 269 00:18:49.519 --> 00:18:52.880 here as opposed to some of those other guys that I mentioned. Your tuned 270 00:18:52.920 --> 00:18:57.359 to the baseline Cali warren Shaw discussing the hot button topics of the NBA in 271 00:18:57.400 --> 00:19:03.440 our conversation trade win are the rumors getting blown or is that are those players 272 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:08.240 possibly getting flown? Hey? 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The Baseline is working in affiliation with the NBA Store slash Fanatics 282 00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:42.079 and will be compensated for your patronage by utilizing our link. And as always, 283 00:19:42.319 --> 00:19:45.640 we thank you for your support. Be sure to go to NBA Store 284 00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:52.240 dot VWZ six dot net slash Baseline when you get that product you also support 285 00:19:52.240 --> 00:19:56.079 in the show. All right, so let's go ahead, y'aw. Let's 286 00:19:56.119 --> 00:20:02.640 talk about Since we were on the conversation about the Atlanta Hawks with Deontay Murray 287 00:20:02.680 --> 00:20:06.200 and Sadi Bay. You know, it's interesting because I think a lot of 288 00:20:06.200 --> 00:20:10.880 people were excited about the combination of Trey Young and Deontay Murray. Listen, 289 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:19.079 I did I say Dejonte or deontaymon? Though? I think as I like 290 00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:23.759 to want to make it silent, he should consider it. I mean, 291 00:20:23.759 --> 00:20:27.240 that could be his next that could be his modeling name. Yeah, there's 292 00:20:27.279 --> 00:20:36.480 Kante George in Utah. But the Dejonte with you? All right, well 293 00:20:36.319 --> 00:20:38.599 we'll go with Dejonte because I don't know. You never know again on the 294 00:20:38.599 --> 00:20:41.960 show, and I'll start messing around and call him, you know, Messiah 295 00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:48.359 shout out to my man, Messiah. Man. He knows. I wasn't 296 00:20:48.440 --> 00:20:52.160 intended to do that purpose, but it was. That's one of our awesome 297 00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:55.359 moments. You know, when I think back on our show is when we 298 00:20:55.400 --> 00:21:03.480 got the Twitter why do you keep calling them? You? Yeah, spelling? 299 00:21:04.759 --> 00:21:07.599 I was like, man, you're right, bro. I was like, 300 00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:10.880 I'm so And you know, there's still those times where I'll pause, 301 00:21:11.079 --> 00:21:17.240 I'm like I get this right, So, oh my gosh, all right, 302 00:21:17.279 --> 00:21:23.440 so Dejonte, why is he so attractive? Show? I don't understand. 303 00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:26.839 Yeah, I mean just because he's a guy at least in theory that 304 00:21:27.279 --> 00:21:32.119 can play both ways. He can score the basketball obviously, in defend gets 305 00:21:32.400 --> 00:21:34.759 a decent amount of steals. Some of those numbers are been antiquated or not 306 00:21:34.799 --> 00:21:37.559 as heavy in Atlanta because they play a little bit of different style when he 307 00:21:37.599 --> 00:21:41.920 was kind of the man in San Antonio. But people say, listen as 308 00:21:41.960 --> 00:21:45.680 a third player on our roster, our third best player. You know, 309 00:21:45.759 --> 00:21:48.759 that's a high, high level talent, and there's some interest in what he 310 00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:52.720 can do, especially from the play creation side, and then defensive he's more 311 00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:56.279 locked in and engaged Atlanta. They they're scoring a bunch of points right now, 312 00:21:56.920 --> 00:21:59.960 not really playing a whole lot of defense. Again, he's kind of 313 00:22:00.759 --> 00:22:03.759 put that in his back pocket, but I think teams kind of remember what 314 00:22:03.799 --> 00:22:04.720 he was, what he was and said and tell you and feel like, 315 00:22:04.759 --> 00:22:07.160 you know what, that would be a great piece for us as a two 316 00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:11.640 way, two way guy who can kind of just fit in and and and 317 00:22:11.680 --> 00:22:14.079 really guard you know, one through three, I think in a lot of 318 00:22:14.079 --> 00:22:15.640 ways, but also do some play creation as well too. So that's why 319 00:22:15.680 --> 00:22:21.920 you see the Lakers, you know, just clamoring for the possibility. Also 320 00:22:21.960 --> 00:22:25.400 the clutch relationship between he and lebron Ad et cetera, et cetera, that 321 00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:27.039 plays into it. But de Jonte does have a lot of interest, you 322 00:22:27.079 --> 00:22:30.839 know, for some teams out there, especially trying to make a splash at 323 00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:33.880 the at the at the front court sorry, back court position. So you 324 00:22:33.960 --> 00:22:37.319 like him with the Los Angeles Lakers if the last if the Lakers were able 325 00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:41.000 or would be able to package or pull the trigger on being able to bring 326 00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:44.480 him over. I mean, as always, it depends what what should give 327 00:22:44.559 --> 00:22:48.039 up, right, but I think Gay Vincent, because of the injuries, 328 00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:52.039 hasn't hasn't really worked out your guy d LO. First of all, listen, 329 00:22:52.400 --> 00:22:56.240 you add you, you add de Jontay Murray on that team, they 330 00:22:56.279 --> 00:23:03.160 are significantly a better offensive team, right. But I guess part of my 331 00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:07.480 struggle with this team is the fact that even if you're saying you bring him 332 00:23:07.519 --> 00:23:11.920 over and he's a better player for what they currently have as the roster goes, 333 00:23:12.799 --> 00:23:17.359 I still don't understand the identity of the Los Angeles Lakers because they're not 334 00:23:17.799 --> 00:23:22.119 They're not showing you that they're great defensively either. They're decent, but they 335 00:23:22.119 --> 00:23:25.160 have not been as good as they've been in the last few years. Right, 336 00:23:25.240 --> 00:23:27.359 So, and to your point you just mentioned it earlier, you say, 337 00:23:27.400 --> 00:23:30.920 look, he's kind of put his defense in the back pocket because he's 338 00:23:30.960 --> 00:23:36.839 become more of an offensively forward player. You know, I don't want to 339 00:23:36.880 --> 00:23:38.759 say offensive, mind, I think he's an offensive forward player. I don't 340 00:23:38.759 --> 00:23:44.960 know if it's because of playing next to Trey Young or because of Quinn Snyder's 341 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:48.240 style of play that he's trying to get the Atlanta Hawks to play. I 342 00:23:48.279 --> 00:23:51.920 just wonder if whether or not he's able to get back to being the kind 343 00:23:51.960 --> 00:23:55.079 of player that he was in San Antonio, where you know, we talk 344 00:23:55.119 --> 00:23:56.440 about two way in that kind of And this is the reason why I said 345 00:23:56.440 --> 00:24:03.279 Shaw that the quote un quote two way player that Moniker, I feel like 346 00:24:03.319 --> 00:24:08.880 it's becoming a dying It's a dying thing. I'm starting to see lesser and 347 00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:15.440 lesser of the emphasis on two way play per se at that position, that 348 00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:19.240 shooting guard position that was elevated by the likes of the Klay Thompson's and the 349 00:24:19.319 --> 00:24:22.839 Kawhi Leonards and the Paul George's. You know what I'm saying, Like, 350 00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:26.519 I feel like that is shifted and so if he is still part of that 351 00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:30.920 elk sort of speak, is that what the expectations are going to be if 352 00:24:30.920 --> 00:24:33.799 the Lakers were to pull that trigger? And is it worth giving up the 353 00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:37.319 capital toy'll probably have to give in order to bring that kind of player to 354 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:41.799 that top to that roster any team thinking the Lakers. But you're just looking 355 00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:45.640 at ways in essence to take some pressure off Lebron in terms of the play 356 00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:48.319 creation, because with all the changing lineups that have happened here now Delo to 357 00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:53.519 the bench, Lebron has more or less become and maybe he always was kind 358 00:24:53.559 --> 00:24:56.880 of the de facto point guard, but with Gabe Benson being injured all year, 359 00:24:57.240 --> 00:25:00.519 that also just put more play, more pressu on him. From a 360 00:25:00.519 --> 00:25:03.400 play creation. The only the best next best person is Austin Reeves, and 361 00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:07.720 he can do it. But it's not something that I think you want it. 362 00:25:07.720 --> 00:25:11.079 You want it as a complimentary role, not as necessarily the primary role 363 00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:14.279 for either one of those guys, especially at the stage of Lebron's career. 364 00:25:14.319 --> 00:25:18.119 And then just even what reeves ultimate skill set is again secondary playmaking awesome, 365 00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:22.640 but not your primary guy. So Dejonte has a guy comes in who at 366 00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:25.640 least in his last year in San Antonio average nine assist the game, you 367 00:25:25.640 --> 00:25:27.640 know, was slowly climbing. He got to Atlanta, and because Trey is 368 00:25:27.640 --> 00:25:30.440 so well dominant, well, those as dropped all the way back down to 369 00:25:30.519 --> 00:25:33.880 four and five. But I think, you know, in an LA system, 370 00:25:34.119 --> 00:25:38.000 especially with Lebron and Ad on the wings or on the post, whatever 371 00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:41.799 you need to do, you'd see those numbers get probably up in the seven 372 00:25:41.839 --> 00:25:45.720 to eight range. So I understand why the Lakers have interest. It's interesting 373 00:25:45.720 --> 00:25:49.559 to know, though Philadelphia mine has some interest, which is a little little 374 00:25:49.559 --> 00:25:55.160 bizarre only from the aspect because you think Maxi is doing so well doing both 375 00:25:55.279 --> 00:25:59.880 the play creation and scoring for himself. So I don't know how that would 376 00:26:00.039 --> 00:26:03.000 make sense if that to ultimately come fruition. And as always, you know, 377 00:26:03.079 --> 00:26:04.839 Miami and teams like that are are sniffing around as well too. But 378 00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:08.119 I think if the Jonte gets moved, it's most likely going to be through 379 00:26:08.119 --> 00:26:12.640 the clutch situation to the Lakers for what package, you Knowhatchama. I don't 380 00:26:12.680 --> 00:26:15.200 think the Lakers would move Austin Reeves, you know, and in the Johntey 381 00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:19.640 deal, but at Chimura Tory and Prince guys like that and some draft capital, 382 00:26:19.839 --> 00:26:22.039 maybe that makes it work indeed, though probably as well. Well. 383 00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:26.400 It's interesting that you mentioned that Shaw and I want to make sure that we 384 00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:29.759 are able to cover the Deep Bay real quick and the rest of the other 385 00:26:30.440 --> 00:26:33.880 guys we have listed for our trade wind segment. But the one thing that 386 00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:41.640 I think I wonder about with deant Dejontay Murray's gameplay is is he someone that 387 00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:48.640 is effective without the ball? Right? So in other words, you know, 388 00:26:48.680 --> 00:26:55.000 we've seen certain players like Rip Hamilton who elevated their their their their game 389 00:26:55.839 --> 00:27:00.200 movement without the ball. Trey Young is ball dominant. But the reason why 390 00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:04.480 I grew tired of people trying to make the comparisons of him and Steph Curry 391 00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:11.359 is Steph Curry has proven to be a much more effective player when he moves 392 00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:14.640 without the basketball. That is why he is the MVP level, and we 393 00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:18.440 just don't see that nearly as often with Trey Young. Trey Young has to 394 00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:22.359 have the ball to literally be an effective player. Now, his numbers are 395 00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:26.839 adequate, but you can clearly see he's someone if he added that element to 396 00:27:26.839 --> 00:27:30.880 his game. I think that that the Hawks as a team collectively would be 397 00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:34.640 so much better because of his ability to score. If that is on, 398 00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:38.160 say de Jontay Murray to be able to do that, you move him somewhere 399 00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:42.880 else. My question is, what exactly are you getting back for that guy. 400 00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:48.319 You want him to be the ball controlling type guard that he was when 401 00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:52.319 he had those responsibilities to San Antonio, or do you want him to be 402 00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:56.880 the offset guard, shooting guard type player that he has now become with the 403 00:27:56.920 --> 00:28:03.119 Atlanta Hawks, Because again, part of this is his ability to score without 404 00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:07.799 having a basketball in his hands. Well, I mean, yeah, he 405 00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:10.519 can slash, he can beat some of his some some people off the dribble, 406 00:28:10.839 --> 00:28:12.960 but he's become a decent three point shooter up to thirty eight percent this 407 00:28:14.079 --> 00:28:15.640 year, and that's with Trey Young more or less setting him up. So 408 00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:18.680 I don't know how many how many of those aren't catch and shoot situations, 409 00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:22.400 you know right now, but at thirty eight percent, that's pretty good. 410 00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:26.000 And you know, he's in a space where he is secondary and not having 411 00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:30.039 to do a lot of play creation. So I think the Lakers would want 412 00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:33.680 him to be more the San Antonio guy, where the ball is in his 413 00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:38.519 hands a lot and creating for others almost like what they thought or hoped Rust 414 00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:42.480 could have been for them, you know, thinking in that ilk. But 415 00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:45.720 if he goes anywhere else, then that that changes the dynamic, especially if 416 00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:51.640 it's Philadelphia. I just I'm I'm not as sold on that aspect as I 417 00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:53.559 would be of him going over to the West Coast and the Lakers. Absolutely 418 00:28:53.640 --> 00:28:59.680 all right, shah really quick, Sadik Bay Is there an appetite for him, 419 00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:03.640 you know with other teams or if you're the Atlanta Hawks and you know, 420 00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:07.720 given what you gave up to get him and what he really is giving, 421 00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:12.200 could he be still a foundational foundational piece? Yeah, just well, 422 00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:15.079 I don't know how much a finacial piece because they didn't extend its contract, 423 00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:18.400 right they had they could have done that, you know, earlier. So 424 00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:21.400 he's basically playing on the last year of his rookie scale. And yeah, 425 00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:23.680 he has a fifty ball and in his career and didn't do that initially with 426 00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:27.119 Atlanta, did that in his years in Detroit. Capable three point shooter. 427 00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:32.279 But he's going to be looking for his next deal, So can you move 428 00:29:32.279 --> 00:29:34.039 off of that before you actually have to pay him? And I think there 429 00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:37.640 was some hesitancy on that because they probably wanted to see how guys like Jalen 430 00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:41.880 Johnson would develop. What do they get out of DeAndre Hunter? So they 431 00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:44.279 acquired him last year, which I still thought was a little bit of a 432 00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:48.079 bizarre move. And I don't know that he hasn't played bad, but I 433 00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:49.799 just don't know that the roster fits for what his talent. Said is with 434 00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:53.880 all the other guys that they have, so other teams, especially playoff contending 435 00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:59.480 teams looking for a bench scorer specifically, might really be interested. You know, 436 00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:03.079 do the shameless plug here. The Celtics have a lot of interest apparently 437 00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:06.920 according to you know my guy Gary Washburn, and just do the Celtics show 438 00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:10.480 with him. And he's a guy who I think could potentially make some sense 439 00:30:10.480 --> 00:30:12.799 for Boston at a salary because right now he's still on that rookie scale. 440 00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:15.720 But knowing that then you trade from you get the bird rise and you'll probably 441 00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:18.559 end up having to extend him. But I can see him in a place 442 00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:23.079 like Boston for sure, excuse me. And if he wanted to go over 443 00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:26.759 into the West, maybe Houston can utilize some more firepower off that bench that 444 00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:30.200 they wanted to try to do something. But they also have a lot of 445 00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:32.640 young guys too in that team that they're trying to develop. But I think 446 00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:34.759 they'll be somewhat of a market for Bay, But I don't know that. 447 00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:38.559 I wouldn't say he's less likely to get moved than maybe at the Jonte or 448 00:30:38.599 --> 00:30:41.960 some of the other guys we're talking about here today. All right, sounds 449 00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:44.680 good. Your tuned to the baseline, Cali warns Shaw, discussing the hot 450 00:30:44.680 --> 00:30:47.119 button topics of the NBA coming out. We got a couple more players that 451 00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:49.960 we're gonna have this conversation with rot tred Wins and and do not go too 452 00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:53.599 far away either man. We've got our impress Me team. We got some 453 00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:56.519 players that we want you to make sure you keep your eye on, you 454 00:30:56.519 --> 00:31:02.160 know, as you continue watching this exciting NBA season. More baseline, don't 455 00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:08.200 go away, We're back, Cali Warrenshaw basedline NBA podcast as we continue our 456 00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:14.079 conversation, trade wins if the trade room is getting blown or the players getting 457 00:31:14.119 --> 00:31:17.720 flown. All right, So it's interesting, Seawe. We've talked about the 458 00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:21.000 Raptors, We've talked about the Pistons, and it wasn't too long ago, 459 00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:26.119 you know, there was conversation about pillaging the Chicago Bulls roster, and yet 460 00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:30.519 the only person whose name now is come up and still remains in the conversation 461 00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:38.480 Zach Levine. And rightfully so, I you know, listen, the combination 462 00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:47.480 of him and DeMar de Rosen I think, and you know, Vucevich I 463 00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:52.319 think is kind of warn It's course, right, So if there's I guess, 464 00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:56.519 an attractable piece out of the three, you could probably say, Okay, 465 00:31:57.039 --> 00:32:00.039 what could we get with or what we have to give up for a 466 00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:05.000 guy like a zach Levine? I gotta tell you so, you know, 467 00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:09.319 like it's interesting because for the longest time we have tried to, you know, 468 00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:14.920 put zach Levine in a particular box, and I think it's brought us 469 00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:20.079 to this point about what teams are really getting from that type of player. 470 00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:23.039 So what are we what would you be getting right sea, Like, what 471 00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:29.119 what is it that makes him at this point again so attractive you know for 472 00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:31.880 another team? You know what I'm saying, to break their banks sort of 473 00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:36.279 speak, to give up some goods in order to bring him on to their 474 00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:42.039 roster. I think if you're a team that is truly truly struggling for a 475 00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:46.359 secondary scorer at an elite level. Then you're looking at him as a potential 476 00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:51.079 option, but knowing that he has had some issues and some run ins with 477 00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:53.480 some coaches based on whatever his role and perceived role was supposed to be. 478 00:32:54.279 --> 00:32:57.839 It'll be what I'm going to be watching for in the next few weeks. 479 00:32:57.880 --> 00:33:00.960 Here is how he returns because he is now back from injury. He came 480 00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:05.319 off the bench and understands that the Bulls have been playing better without him. 481 00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:09.400 So it's very sobering. I think you know as a player to recognize, 482 00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:13.000 like, wow, look how much better they are when I'm not here. 483 00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:15.640 So do you come back in here with the same attitude in the same ways 484 00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:20.880 and disrupt that chemistry, especially if you're trying to get moved. So to 485 00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:23.279 me, whether or not he ends up or stays in Chicago or ultimately moves, 486 00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:28.440 his attitude and how he matriculates within the current system is going to be 487 00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:31.839 the determinive factor for either one of those things. Chicago now has more cards 488 00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:35.920 on the deck because there wasn't really much of a market for him. So 489 00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:37.319 do you say, well, listen, bro, we've been find whether they 490 00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:40.920 were they're like ten and five or something like that. Without him. Listen, 491 00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:44.480 you may stay in this venturol right now because we were kind of cooking 492 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:47.000 or is it or is it he's just too big of a person where that 493 00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:50.640 can't be the case. I ultimately think he's going to find his way back 494 00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:52.880 into the starting lineup. I don't think they bring him off the bench in 495 00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:57.440 any capacity. But can he build his trade value? So alto you ask 496 00:33:57.480 --> 00:34:00.319 what you're getting. You're getting a guy who has had some issue use with 497 00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:04.160 some coaches, But you're a high level talent who can score, especially shoot 498 00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:07.000 the three, has some clutch capability and playmaking as well too. I mean, 499 00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:10.159 if you can find that within your roster, then good. I don't 500 00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:14.719 see that as an elite team right now. It's gonna be one of those 501 00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:17.000 middle of the pack teams that's trying to make you know that next slash or 502 00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:21.960 maybe trading one discrntal superstar for another. And I don't know how many names 503 00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:25.960 are out there like that currently. This is tough man. It's really interesting 504 00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:30.760 because he is a very much he's he's definitely a capable scorer. I think 505 00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:34.840 the question becomes and I think you brought it up earlier. Do you see 506 00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:39.880 him being a role contributor to scoring the basketball right? Can he accept the 507 00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:44.519 fact that he may not be the primary go to kind of guy. How 508 00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:49.480 many teams right now are in a position unless they are a team that is 509 00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:53.280 struggling that really doesn't have much of an identity that means you're going in there 510 00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:57.320 to help create or build that identity, you know what I mean. So 511 00:34:57.360 --> 00:34:59.880 it's a very interesting space, you know, for a guy like that. 512 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:04.760 Back Levine, I think if you were the Chicago Bulls and it really mattered 513 00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:08.639 about what you wanted to do with him, you should have moved zach Lavine 514 00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:13.840 a whole lot earlier. But if the Chicago Bulls haves this under control and 515 00:35:13.960 --> 00:35:17.519 zach Lavine is completely fine with where things are, I don't think anything can 516 00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:22.239 be done for him. I think I feel like if something has not happened 517 00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:27.800 at this point, it's going to be hard pressed that it's necessary that teams 518 00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:30.400 do need to pull the trigger, because, again, for what he brings 519 00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:35.920 to the table, a lot of those teams that would want his presence have 520 00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:40.280 to go in with the understanding that it's not so that he is elevating their 521 00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:45.719 front line, their starting roster. It's he's elevating their second unit. He's 522 00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:51.920 he's elevating you know those those those uh, those analytical numbers on the bull 523 00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:53.840 let that don't let me interrupt in the aspect is like I think, because 524 00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:57.320 when we talk about trades, right, we often think about, oh, 525 00:35:57.400 --> 00:36:00.840 well, this guy's got to get to a better sit situation, in a 526 00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:05.679 winning situation. I don't necessarily know that Chicago feels that way and has that 527 00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:08.079 level of loyalty to Zach. He may balk at the idea, but that's 528 00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:10.880 what I'm saying. It's it's a middle of the pack team, or it 529 00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:14.639 might be a bad team. Listen, if you told me right now, 530 00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:17.239 I'm gonna throw this out there and like, again, we're not aggregators or 531 00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:20.920 you know, we're not plugged into the league where we're not breaking news. 532 00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:22.719 But if you told me right now, the Wizards were like, you know 533 00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:25.639 what, we regret the Jordan Poole thing. Give us Zach and we'll give 534 00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:29.760 you Jordan Pool. Jordan Poole goes back to a more natural bench scoring role 535 00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:32.840 in Chicago, and whatever that looks like is what it looks like. Zach 536 00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:37.639 and Kyle Kuzma can can kind of cook in Washington. I could see something 537 00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:40.239 like that kind of coming into fruition. If you were to say san Antonio 538 00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:45.440 wanted to take on Zach Levine as a reclamation project and you know, not 539 00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:49.400 put fast track, not fast tracket, but give them another capable scorer alongside 540 00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:52.360 Wemby. I could see that. But those are not winning situations. Detroit. 541 00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:57.840 You know, they trade their million wings and guards and people who don't 542 00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:00.119 or duplicitous, you know what I mean, and it gets Zach Levine there. 543 00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:05.119 It's like, okay, Cad and Zach as building blocks that could make 544 00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:08.239 some sense. I don't think Zach is going to some situation where he's ultimately 545 00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:13.639 now going to be the player that gets them over the proverbial top. Hence 546 00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:16.840 why Philadelphia is not interested, hence why Golden State kicked the tires but is 547 00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:21.119 not interested. The Knicks kick the tires, but no, no longer because 548 00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:23.920 they just got Oji Ananobe. So to me, it's just it's we don't 549 00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:27.559 have to say he's going to go somewhere where he's going to make that team 550 00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:30.639 a title contender. Right now. It's hey, he might end up going 551 00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:32.199 to a bad team where he can just get his shots off right. And 552 00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:37.400 again, I'm flipping that on not just what you just on how you just 553 00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:43.960 put it shaw from the organization executive stamp. I'm talking about from the player 554 00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:46.679 standpoint in this case, Zach Levine, because I think that's what that comes 555 00:37:46.719 --> 00:37:51.480 down to. I think, Zach Levine, I don't think we often have 556 00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:53.679 a conversation. I don't want to get off track, but I don't think 557 00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:58.360 we have enough of a conversation at times where we're thinking about what is the 558 00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:01.199 player thinking about? How is he view the landscape of what the NBA is. 559 00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:05.639 And I'm not talking about this conversation that you have between your agents. 560 00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:09.519 I'm saying as a player and the legacy that you want to leave or whatever 561 00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:15.920 your your personal goals are in having what's considered as a successful season. Well, 562 00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:17.719 I'm gonna throw this out here, but you know, and we'll move 563 00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:23.280 off of the Lavine conversation. But if you're Memphis, would you would you 564 00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:28.239 look to maybe add him as a as a third scorer if you will? 565 00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:30.800 Is it is it too much? It wouldn't be too much. But he's 566 00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:35.360 a guy who can give you three point shooting. So you pair him alongside 567 00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:40.599 a combination of Moran, Bain and Levine and even Jaron Jackson. It's pretty 568 00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:45.159 pretty, pretty sick And I don't know what it cost you ultimately to get 569 00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:49.599 kind of get something like that done, but I think it would give Memphis 570 00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:54.119 an opportunity to get some more outside scoring, and Moran specifically more another target 571 00:38:54.159 --> 00:38:58.199 out there to kick when he's driving to the basket. You know, again, 572 00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:00.239 a team right now that's not as good as as they hope to be, 573 00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:04.440 but maybe they can make a move for a guy like Zach and it 574 00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:07.880 might make some sense where it wouldn't hurt the development of some of the other 575 00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:09.199 other guys there. What do you think about something like that? I like 576 00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:15.159 it. I like it. I like the idea of the premise of it. 577 00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:16.079 It could work. Is there enough ball to go around? Though? 578 00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:20.360 Because Jackson is trying to obviously score the basketball, Bane can score, and 579 00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:22.920 Morant obviously you know, twenty point per game guy, So you're looking at 580 00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:27.239 four players trying to average twenty a game. It's it's a little tough, 581 00:39:27.320 --> 00:39:31.440 but anyway, I think it's it's probably miscasting him because he's he's obviously a 582 00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:36.679 twenty even at at best a twenty five to twenty six point per game guy. 583 00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:38.360 At worst, you know, a twenty one point per game guy, 584 00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:42.039 e Zac Lavine. And I don't know if that would be the right fit 585 00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:44.400 for him. But that's why I think some of those other teams that don't 586 00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:47.880 have the requisite culture established right now and that are really struggling Washington, San 587 00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:52.000 Antonio, et cetera, they would make a better fit than some of maybe 588 00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:53.920 some of these other teams that are being One thing that I think is interesting 589 00:39:53.960 --> 00:39:57.440 too, and I don't know. Again, we we we'd have to think 590 00:39:57.480 --> 00:40:02.679 about what the longevity factor is for a guy like Zach Levine. Is is 591 00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:07.639 he willing to play with teams that have that play with a faster pace? 592 00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:10.199 Right? Like you know, you will get that with the Memphis Grizzlies once 593 00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:15.400 Jahn Morant is fully you know, up to Ja Morant, Like right now, 594 00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:19.079 he's you know, he's been gone for a quarter of a season, 595 00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:22.800 like really almost half a season, right if you extend it all the way 596 00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:27.559 back to last year. So if he's really at full tilt, we could 597 00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:30.320 be completely talking about a completely different look of how this Memphis Grizzlies team looks 598 00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:35.599 to score the basketball their athleticism, I would not. I would be remiss 599 00:40:35.719 --> 00:40:37.400 in saying, have we have We just decided to kind of throw away the 600 00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:40.559 fact that Zack Levine was one of the most athletic, you know, above 601 00:40:40.599 --> 00:40:45.840 the rim type players and that maybe in some way for his relevancy to to 602 00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:50.159 to be there, they have to play with a tempo that allows him to 603 00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:52.199 get out there and open space and be able to you know, because his 604 00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:55.599 game has been confined to a half court style type of game since playing with 605 00:40:55.639 --> 00:40:59.480 the Chicago Bulls. Not to say that that's necessarily a bad thing. I 606 00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:01.639 think it's it's really forced him to shoot the three better, to be able 607 00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:05.400 to be a better, you know, kind of perimeter shooter, learn how 608 00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:07.440 to play ISO ball a little bit better. But I do think that his 609 00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:12.039 best game has always been where he's been able to get out open in space, 610 00:41:12.199 --> 00:41:15.079 where he's been able to move, you know, without the ball, 611 00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:17.480 and to get above the rim. At times, sometimes you need someone to 612 00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:21.920 help you get there, and someone like a Ja Morant I think can do 613 00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:25.760 that. But again that's just pining this guy for me. Yeah, absolutely 614 00:41:27.079 --> 00:41:29.840 so, I think because he can play the two or the three. It 615 00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:32.519 opens up some opportunities and if he wanted to again, I think Dallas could 616 00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:37.119 get into that conversation if they wanted to. But those are three really interesting 617 00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:40.360 personalities kind of put together. So but right now there's not much of a 618 00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:44.639 market for Zach unfortunately, despite his talent level. So we'll see how he 619 00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:47.199 acquiesces to the role here coming back in Chicago, as they've done better without 620 00:41:47.199 --> 00:41:51.119 it absolutely, and I think as well to Shaw, the fact that there 621 00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:54.800 are a lot of players playing his position at a high level has downgraded that 622 00:41:54.920 --> 00:42:00.239 appetite for going after a zach Lavine, meaning that there's either they or an 623 00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:02.719 upside from some of the role players or from the players that they've drafted or 624 00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:07.199 brought up where from wherever that are playing that role position, or whatever the 625 00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:08.480 case may be, that they just don't see. It's like, what am 626 00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:12.679 I giving up in order to possibly still wait a little bit longer to see 627 00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:15.800 what this player that I already have on my roster is willing to give me? 628 00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:19.000 I think right now, until that kind of dies down or evens itself 629 00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:25.559 out, zach Lavine's you know, trade winds are possibly getting blown okay, 630 00:42:25.719 --> 00:42:30.880 all right, finally shot John Collins right for the San Antonio Spurs. It's 631 00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:37.719 I'm sorry, Utah Jazz, John Collins, Zach Collins. I don't know, 632 00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:42.679 they're playing like a Collins right now. So uh and right about now, 633 00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:45.719 I need a little Phil Collins. It's just with what's going on. 634 00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:49.719 But with John Collins though, you know, we were talking about this before 635 00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:52.559 we jumped on and started recording. Recording, the show just doesn't seem like 636 00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:57.679 people are completely enamored with him out there in Utah and it's much less the 637 00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:00.440 same thing. I don't I don't understand it, man, because the guy 638 00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:05.119 is really you know, he's a quality player, but it just doesn't seem 639 00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:09.800 to translate into what should be, you know, the kind of numbers that 640 00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:15.159 I guess gives the organization or the team he's playing with lovel of confidence they 641 00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:19.000 will, you know, continue to move forward. So the fact that he's 642 00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:22.119 now out there again, you know, in trade rumors, seems a little 643 00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:25.679 disappointing. But at the same time, I don't know if it's necessarily surprising. 644 00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:30.039 Yeah, he's not having a bad season, you know, almost fourteen 645 00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:34.519 and eight, roughly shooting thirty seven percent from three forty seven from the floor, 646 00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:37.000 he's he's been decent. At the end of the day, the move 647 00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:40.360 was a flyer, But I didn't understand the flyer because, well, you're 648 00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:45.280 just crowding that front court position when you have a guy like Walker Kessler and 649 00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:47.280 not saying that you're building wal Kesler. You're clearly building around marketing. But 650 00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:52.079 you just added something else into that to get into Kessler's development. I just 651 00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:55.840 didn't understand it to begin with, and marketing. While he's played some three, 652 00:43:55.880 --> 00:44:00.000 he's better at the four position, so to me, with Kelly Olynny 653 00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:04.280 there as well too, the addition of cons fly or not was kind of 654 00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:06.760 ridiculous. Now, I think at the end of the day, it's like, 655 00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:08.519 well, they're going to try to see well because it didn't cost them 656 00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:14.840 much, can they extrapolate that now and he maybe get something considerate for his 657 00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:16.599 for his services. But I think the rumors are out there, they're like, 658 00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:20.039 hey, doesn't really fit. But I again, he hasn't had a 659 00:44:20.039 --> 00:44:22.719 bad season, so I just don't know a situation where he can go and 660 00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:27.760 plug and play immediately. That's not even necessarily a ventual And I don't know 661 00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:30.440 that that's what he wants for himself. But where are you putting him, 662 00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:34.599 you know, for a team that might be willing to pay where they really 663 00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:37.760 want him to kind of be and and and be within their starting to line 664 00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:39.679 up and be their third or fourth option. I don't know that that currently 665 00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:43.920 exists right now, but Utah is definitely going to kick the tires on it, 666 00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:45.079 and I think it's going to speak to some other things too, because 667 00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:49.440 I've been really perplexed with how they've handled that front corposition this year. Uh, 668 00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:52.639 They're a pretty deep team and all things considered, for what is a 669 00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:57.199 bad team if you will, well, you know, average team I guess 670 00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:00.760 at best, but to me and college doesn't fit with they have going on 671 00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:02.440 right now and definitely not for the future. Yeah, I think that if 672 00:45:02.440 --> 00:45:06.079 you are the Utah Jazz, you really should figure out a way to be 673 00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:07.440 able to move. But the problem is Shaw. We've talked about a few 674 00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:10.760 other players right now that I think will take more precedent over a guy like 675 00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:15.800 John Collins. You know, there's nothing, Yeah, but there's nothing that 676 00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:22.440 There's nothing about his numbers and what he's currently doing over in Utah that is 677 00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:27.039 overwhelming him. Overwhelmingly making him, you know, like top of the food 678 00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:30.199 chain. You know, what is it going to take in order to get 679 00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:32.480 him? You know what I mean? Everything is everything else about what you're 680 00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:37.119 doing if you're trying to get a John Collins seems to be ancillary secondary. 681 00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:40.440 Again, I'll just say Utah needs to clear the deck I think for some 682 00:45:40.519 --> 00:45:44.480 of the other players that are there, and Collins is just kind of in 683 00:45:44.559 --> 00:45:47.960 the way, not a bad basketball player in any capacity, but that thirteen 684 00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:52.199 and seven is really doing much for them. They can get that production elsewhere, 685 00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:53.880 so exactly, I can understand why they'd want to get other assets, 686 00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:58.559 draft capital or whatever that may look like. But where does he plug and 687 00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:00.880 play immediately? And there's not There's not a team that where that really seems 688 00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:05.119 to make a whole lot of sense. Again, unless it's specifically more in 689 00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:07.639 a bench role, as I alluded to before, and I don't know how 690 00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:10.039 happy that'd make him. I've never let's put it like this, Shaw, 691 00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:14.400 I don't know if I'm ever going to see an organization or a team want 692 00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:17.639 to shop as hard as the Utah Jazz will probably try to shop and move 693 00:46:17.719 --> 00:46:22.000 down, not because they they hate him, but because they know we gotta 694 00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:24.840 we gotta, we gotta make something happen, because ain't nobody gonna make it 695 00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:29.159 happen for us, you know. Yeah, So it's kind of like I 696 00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:31.440 said, you make the move, and then sometimes that happens and you feel 697 00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:34.679 like, hey, well we got them for cheap, and we'll probably be 698 00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:37.480 able to flip them for more than we paid ultimately, and you just you 699 00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:39.719 never know what the trade market is going to bear. And then you have 700 00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:45.039 Danny Ainge as the executive in that space, who's a notorious you know, 701 00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:49.559 he's a notorious extractor of you know, hard deals. So I think when 702 00:46:49.559 --> 00:46:52.599 you couple those things together, Age himself may have to say, all right, 703 00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:54.880 listen, Collins is Collins is solid, but I'm not going to get 704 00:46:54.920 --> 00:46:58.440 back some sort of haul that I've gotten back in other deals. I think 705 00:46:58.440 --> 00:47:01.320 that's where expectations have to come into play here on what they ultimately decide which 706 00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:05.960 on look, man, Danny, Ain's gonna need to get him the clips, 707 00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:08.800 man, add him, add him on to his into his executive team. 708 00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:13.320 Man, that re up, don't know, don't nobody re up like 709 00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:15.719 the clips? You know? I'm saying, when cats, when cats, 710 00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:19.639 in the in the in the NBA, ethos be talking about we got it 711 00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:21.960 for cheap. I'm like, y'all not listening to the clips right now, 712 00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:23.719 bro, y'all need to listen to the clips and get it for cheap, 713 00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:28.119 you know what I mean? So shout out to the clips. Man, 714 00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:30.360 shout out, Shout out to that team man, one of the one of 715 00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:32.159 the great hip hop groups of our generation. All right, coming up, 716 00:47:32.199 --> 00:47:37.599 we're gonna end things off nicely with the Impressed Me Team. My man Shaw 717 00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:40.440 not gonna quickly go over some guys that you should be putting on your radar 718 00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:45.599 if you haven't already added them onto your fantasy roster, and if you if 719 00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:47.679 you're waiting too long, they're probably gone, so you know, shame on 720 00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:52.760 you. But this is the Impressed Me Team. These dudes are balling out 721 00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:55.159 and you really need to be paying attention to them because they could probably be 722 00:47:55.239 --> 00:48:00.559 the difference between your team if they're on your roster, uh, getting that 723 00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:04.360 getting them to the conference finals possibly NBA Finals, So you don't want to 724 00:48:04.360 --> 00:48:09.079 miss out here on the baseline, we are back Cali Warrenshaw Baseline NBA Podcast. 725 00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:13.599 Hey, are you ready to step up your style game without compromising the 726 00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:20.239 planet. Introducing an exciting partnership between blue View Footwear and nineteen Media Group network. 727 00:48:20.440 --> 00:48:23.400 Blue View Footwear is renowned for the world's first fully by adegradable and durable 728 00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:28.719 sneaker to lead a revolution in cleaner materials and manufacturing. They offer a sleek 729 00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:32.320 and contemporary styles that cater to a wide range of tastes. Blue View has 730 00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:37.440 fully revolutionized the footwear industry. Their innovative plant based sneakers are constructed of one 731 00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:45.920 hundred percent biodegradable materials without sacrificing durability for environmental responsibility. Blueville Footwear believes that 732 00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:52.760 fashion sustainability can coexist harmoniously. Just visit Bitlee Backslash blue View nineteen and you'll 733 00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:58.960 see the ultimate collaboration of fashion sustainability and media excellence. Shaw It's time for 734 00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:05.000 us to discuss the Impressment Team. These are dudes that are, in the 735 00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:10.880 immortal words of m from James Bond, they impressed me in facts. Okay, 736 00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:22.599 So our roster from back court to front court. We've got Terry Rozier, 737 00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:32.639 Kobe White, Derek White, Jimi Vasquez Junior, Jalen Johnson. That's 738 00:49:32.679 --> 00:49:37.519 a pretty nice impressive. This is could be a starting five that might not 739 00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:38.800 you know what I'm saying. I could probably win some games if you really 740 00:49:38.840 --> 00:49:43.519 think about it. But what is it about these guys that impresses you? 741 00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:46.480 I think more or less, you know when I take the landscape of these 742 00:49:46.519 --> 00:49:50.199 five guys individually, and yeah, I think if you're going from a starter 743 00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:52.000 standpoint, be a little bit undersized. Jalen Johnson, I have been playing 744 00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:57.360 that five role, if you will. But Terry Rogier having a career hiring 745 00:49:57.400 --> 00:50:00.840 points obviously Lonzo was out, but averaging twenty five for a game, a 746 00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:05.440 seven assists for almost four rebounds, just really really hooping on a bad basketball 747 00:50:05.480 --> 00:50:07.320 team. But I think we continue to understand that Rogier is a guy who 748 00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:13.079 can really hoop given the opportunity and way. While if we're to go somewhere 749 00:50:13.079 --> 00:50:15.440 else, you wouldn't atually want him to be your lead guy. But I 750 00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:17.679 think in this role he's really really been having an amazing season. It's just 751 00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:22.639 kind of gone undoice because Charlotte has been so dismal in general. Kobe White, 752 00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:25.400 we talked about Zach Levine earlier in the show. Kobe White is border 753 00:50:25.440 --> 00:50:30.679 less blossomed in Zach Levine's absence, career high almost eighteen a game, five 754 00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:35.480 assists for rebounds, thirty nine percent from three, just really figuring out how 755 00:50:35.559 --> 00:50:38.159 to be an NBA pro and impact winning in a way that he hasn't had 756 00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:43.000 it had before. There's a lot of coming into his into his season, 757 00:50:43.519 --> 00:50:46.079 his rookie year, and I don't think he delivered and was pressing too hard. 758 00:50:46.079 --> 00:50:50.280 The game has clearly slowed down for him now as well too. What 759 00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:54.559 can we say about Derek White? All Star considerations are being thrown his way 760 00:50:54.760 --> 00:50:58.840 despite Tantum and Brown being there. Derek White right spur to be one of 761 00:50:58.840 --> 00:51:01.760 the more important basketball play in the NBA, and especially on this Boston Celtics 762 00:51:01.760 --> 00:51:05.760 team. Seventeen in the game, five assists and forty two percent from three 763 00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:07.920 of steel le block one of the better two way guys out there as well 764 00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:10.920 too, and you can see why they Jetti said Marcus Smart in essence to 765 00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:15.000 give Derek White the proverbial keys on this roster. Hobmi Hawkins Junior are probably 766 00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:19.039 the biggest surprise I think in terms of the rookie class. The Miami Heat 767 00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:22.119 do it Again had a big thirty to ten game on Christmas Day, really 768 00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:27.119 really making waves here as the Miami Heat just continue to get guys wherever they 769 00:51:27.159 --> 00:51:30.599 are and turn them into valuable basketball players. And finally, Jalen Johnson on 770 00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:34.639 this Atlanta Hawks team. There was a lot of conversation and I was dead 771 00:51:34.639 --> 00:51:37.159 ass wrong. I gotta say this here. I thought DeAndre Hunter was finally 772 00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:38.559 gonna have the breakout year it was. Jalen Johnson was like, no, 773 00:51:38.639 --> 00:51:42.960 hold my beer, it's my time. A Hunter we're seeing is injured yet 774 00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:45.519 again, and Jalen Johnson, coming back from injury, is now averaging sixteen 775 00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:49.480 the game, sixty percent from the floor and forty one percent from three. 776 00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:52.079 Didn't know he'd be able to shoot it like that. Almost three attempts a 777 00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:54.159 games, so not super volumes, but again three attempt a game, forty 778 00:51:54.159 --> 00:51:58.639 one percent. I think these five guys have had seasons that are are noteworthy 779 00:51:58.719 --> 00:52:00.840 and should be recognized by some who may not always paying attention. Derek White, 780 00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:04.039 you see him because the Boston's doing so good. But some of these 781 00:52:04.039 --> 00:52:07.159 other guys on some struggling teams that you may not be paying its close attention 782 00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:09.599 to. Absolutely, you know, listen, shout out to our man. 783 00:52:09.880 --> 00:52:14.079 You know you're you're a former young son now is a grown man. Terry 784 00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:19.280 Rozier, right, Like, you know, he was so maligned and you 785 00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:22.599 can't blame him because the Charlotte Hornets offered him the bag. He took it. 786 00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:27.840 He probably felt like with what he was contributing and with you know, 787 00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:30.000 what he did for the Boston Celtics, he would have hoped that obviously he 788 00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:34.880 would have been able to continue that impressive run with the roster that they had, 789 00:52:35.639 --> 00:52:39.159 especially being next to Tatum and Brown. But you know, as as 790 00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:44.840 he bet on himself, right, and he's had to wait this out, 791 00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:47.679 so the opportunity was there for him to be able to go out there and 792 00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:51.559 you know, show us that he is a capable scorer, he's a he's 793 00:52:51.599 --> 00:52:55.239 a capable guard. We've always believed that. I don't know if on a 794 00:52:55.280 --> 00:53:00.960 bigger stage sort of speak, there there is sustainability for what he's doing. 795 00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:05.679 But in this moment in time, the opportunity is there and he's putting himself 796 00:53:05.719 --> 00:53:08.320 again back in that position where he should be. You know, in the 797 00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:10.519 eyes of a lot of people who are saying that they need a legit. 798 00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:15.599 You know, reliable quality guard, and if he continues to shoot the basketball 799 00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:17.280 as well as he's been shooting in this in this iteration, this period that 800 00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:21.400 he's in right now, I think, you know, you have to start 801 00:53:21.400 --> 00:53:23.559 taking a long, hard look with some of these other teams that could be 802 00:53:23.679 --> 00:53:29.079 missing that aspect to what is necessary for their team to take a next step, 803 00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:30.000 you know what I mean. I don't know if it stays with the 804 00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:34.679 Charlotte Hornets. I do think that you may have to really reconsider this this 805 00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:37.800 combination of him and ball and things of that nature. But I just think 806 00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:42.480 that only Terry Rozier and what he's contributing to me is so remarkable in that 807 00:53:42.639 --> 00:53:46.159 he's been given second life to prove that he is a more than capable guard. 808 00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:50.679 You don't have too many of those, you know, in those conversations. 809 00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:52.159 The last time we think we had that we talked about was what Tyas 810 00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:55.599 Jones, And look what's happened with him, you know what I mean? 811 00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:59.960 Like, so I would hope that that's not what happens with Terry Rozier because 812 00:53:59.960 --> 00:54:04.320 I do believe that as overall and all around guard play, I think he's 813 00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:07.280 much better and I think he you know, he's showing that. Yeah. 814 00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:10.760 Again, I'm a big fan of Terry, so we talk about him a 815 00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:14.679 lot, you know, periodically throughout here on the baseline, and I want 816 00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:16.920 to continue to see him thrive and whatever that ultimately looks like. He's a 817 00:54:16.920 --> 00:54:21.440 good individual with a great heart and has always probably gotten he got the short 818 00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:23.320 end the stick, I think in Boston ultimately, but now, especially with 819 00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:27.719 Lonzo being out, has been able to really showcase his skill set and whether 820 00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:31.199 he's there long term or not. He's a capable scorer averages fifteen or fourteen 821 00:54:31.239 --> 00:54:35.199 and a half for his career, but at right now, twenty four game 822 00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:37.880 this year and seven dimes, also passing the ball extremely well too. This 823 00:54:37.960 --> 00:54:40.679 is the best season from Terry Rozire by far. Absolutely all right, I 824 00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:47.400 want to really quickly talk about the Derek White situation or conversation. First of 825 00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:52.039 all, there's no doubt that he should be in All Star considerations. I 826 00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:54.519 think that when you look at the total package of what Derek White is doing 827 00:54:54.800 --> 00:55:00.199 and how he has helped elevate and stabilize what is always seem to have been 828 00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:10.559 one of the most I guess non stable circumstances has been the backcourt play of 829 00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:15.760 the Boston Celtics. It always feels like it seems like the Celtics have been 830 00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:23.719 reaching and been experimenting, not just through the years of having Brown and Tatum, 831 00:55:23.719 --> 00:55:28.119 but even before that, with being able to say, you know, 832 00:55:28.360 --> 00:55:30.440 this is what we want, this is how we want things to be reflective 833 00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:35.239 of. When we think about the Celtics consideration of the Celtics way, the 834 00:55:35.280 --> 00:55:40.440 combination of White and Drew Holiday absolute home run. Kudos to Brad Stevens in 835 00:55:40.480 --> 00:55:44.840 regardless of what happens moving forward, I know that they're supposed to be championship 836 00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:50.039 aspirations. To see what Derek White has become and has evolved into while he 837 00:55:50.199 --> 00:55:54.719 is getting those those all Star considerations, This doesn't happen unless he's playing next 838 00:55:54.760 --> 00:55:59.360 to Drew Holiday. This I think speaks volumes of having a guy like Drew 839 00:55:59.360 --> 00:56:01.760 Holliday on your roster. Man, right, because I'm not saying that Jew 840 00:56:01.800 --> 00:56:07.840 Holiday is, you know, washed up or whatever. There's a reason why 841 00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:10.960 the Celtics still keep Al Hawford on their roster. There's a reason why it 842 00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:15.480 was important that the Celtics gave up what they needed to and did what they 843 00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:20.360 had to to bring over Drew Holiday because now what you're seeing the translation, 844 00:56:20.800 --> 00:56:23.320 you know what I'm saying, the communication, the way that we know that 845 00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:28.719 Derek White in ways mimics a little bit of what you get from Jew Holiday. 846 00:56:28.760 --> 00:56:31.679 But you're seeing now with what he's been contributing, it's all coming together 847 00:56:31.800 --> 00:56:36.639 and it's beautiful to watch he is in a way, you know, Jew 848 00:56:36.639 --> 00:56:40.519 Holiday two point zero in some senses you could probably not go wrong. But 849 00:56:40.599 --> 00:56:44.840 I'm just saying in the background, you know, in the whispers, in 850 00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:47.360 those those corners of the room, Derek White will probably tell you, I 851 00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:51.079 don't get to this point unless I'm playing next to a guy like Drew Holliday, 852 00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:53.400 and the fact that it's elevated him to be in that conversation of All 853 00:56:53.400 --> 00:56:59.679 Star. I just think, to me, I said in the beginning, 854 00:56:59.719 --> 00:57:02.480 I said, I see the Bucks coming out of the East, because I 855 00:57:02.559 --> 00:57:07.440 thought that there was a different version of Giannis that is going to emerge or 856 00:57:07.480 --> 00:57:10.760 appear or whatever. I'm still waiting to see that. If I see that, 857 00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:15.119 this is what I'm getting from Derek White and what I'm seeing from the 858 00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:20.559 Celtics collectively. Because of the presence that Drew Holliday has helped elevate in the 859 00:57:20.679 --> 00:57:23.840 roster. From this, that makes that Celtics team the most dangerous team, 860 00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:29.159 period, point blank. Because that's what you want when you bring players onto 861 00:57:29.239 --> 00:57:34.079 your team on your starting squad, is you're elevating the play and the mindset 862 00:57:34.159 --> 00:57:37.719 of all those guys on that roster, and you're seeing it, and that's 863 00:57:37.719 --> 00:57:42.719 why White is where he is. I don't I agree that Derek White has 864 00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:45.719 an All Star case. And without getting too far into because we'll have Allstar 865 00:57:45.800 --> 00:57:49.280 conversation, you know, I later date, but I don't see how Boston 866 00:57:49.360 --> 00:57:52.280 has a third and fourth all It's difficult. I know, I know, 867 00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:54.920 yeah, but right you know with porzingis there as well too. But the 868 00:57:55.280 --> 00:57:58.960 East I wouldn't say as necessarily loaded, but there's some guys who are just 869 00:57:59.239 --> 00:58:01.119 perennial guys who are going to be there. And you add dam into that 870 00:58:01.239 --> 00:58:04.880 into that situation here now, who's usually in the West. You know, 871 00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:07.480 it makes it just makes it harder for White there unless there's a slew of 872 00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:09.480 injuries or guys who bow out of the All Star Game. But he definitely 873 00:58:09.559 --> 00:58:12.800 has a case for it, and hence, while we're highlighting him, here, 874 00:58:13.039 --> 00:58:15.559 So I think again with especially with the forty two percent from three and 875 00:58:15.559 --> 00:58:19.159 then the stealing, the stealing the block and just even what he does deflections 876 00:58:19.199 --> 00:58:21.920 and just staying in front of his guy on a regular basis, Derek White 877 00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:25.159 is a is a pros pro. And while initially I think most of the 878 00:58:25.159 --> 00:58:31.000 Boston Faith were like first round picks for Derek White, that seems to be 879 00:58:31.000 --> 00:58:35.960 paying over itself, you know, double time and Celtics. So I think 880 00:58:35.920 --> 00:58:37.320 we'll do that deal one hundred times out of one hundred, absolutely, man. 881 00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:43.159 And and to your point to add emphasis to that, what were those 882 00:58:43.239 --> 00:58:46.159 first round picks really worth to those other teams that had them and what they 883 00:58:46.159 --> 00:58:50.679 did with them? Right, I think that's what you have to look at. 884 00:58:50.880 --> 00:58:53.920 I think we're we are so caught up in the capital of the picks 885 00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:59.519 as they are, that you have to also think about what the picks are 886 00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:02.880 truly supposed to be worth two three years down the road from the what you're 887 00:59:02.920 --> 00:59:07.119 getting out of the player that you're bringing on to your team. You know, 888 00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:10.400 we never said that Derek White was trash, right. We actually appreciated 889 00:59:10.400 --> 00:59:15.079 the fact that the Celtics brought that player because one he was not just a 890 00:59:15.199 --> 00:59:19.199 role player, but he was contributing in things that the Celtics were suffering immensely 891 00:59:19.239 --> 00:59:22.960 and he filled in those things admirably. And then in this iteration of trying 892 00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:25.920 to figure out where the Celtics were gonna go from a backcourt perspective, we 893 00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:29.840 weren't completely sol on an idea. Do you do it with Derek White? 894 00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:34.480 But you only do it knowing that you have the flexibility now to get you 895 00:59:34.519 --> 00:59:37.719 a Drew Holliday right and to know that that guy in the iteration of his 896 00:59:37.880 --> 00:59:43.320 career can help impact and effect what you're now getting from a Derek White. 897 00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:45.800 I'm just saying that this again, it's a long term play that we probably 898 00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:50.039 didn't see coming, maybe the Celtics did see coming. But in the end, 899 00:59:50.079 --> 00:59:53.639 you will to your point for what the Celtics gave up in order to 900 00:59:53.719 --> 00:59:58.320 get what you're getting now at this particular juncture, and it could be that 901 00:59:58.360 --> 01:00:00.760 case for the next year or two, who knows, But that is exactly 902 01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:05.800 why you do those type of deals, no fear of it. That's why 903 01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:07.280 it's important to understand, you know, we all when we all do it, 904 01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:09.440 and we're going to continue to do We're going to judge the deal at 905 01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:14.159 the face value when they happen, but when you can be reflective and look 906 01:00:14.199 --> 01:00:15.920 at it a year, two years down the line and see what happens, 907 01:00:15.960 --> 01:00:22.360 great because sometimes not everything it doesn't give you that immediate gratification or even that 908 01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:24.280 level of understanding. But this is definitely paid devindens here too as well. 909 01:00:24.280 --> 01:00:28.719 I mean Derek White even saving them last year in the Eastern Conference Finals to 910 01:00:28.800 --> 01:00:30.519 even forced a game six. He's not on the roster, then you know 911 01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:34.440 who's who's making that play so exact in any event, you know, great, 912 01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:37.159 great, great season for him. Looking to continue to see that happen 913 01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:38.559 for him in all capacities, whether it makes the All Star team or not. 914 01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:43.519 He's still an All Star regardless, absolutely, Man, great conversation, 915 01:00:43.639 --> 01:00:45.840 Shaw, you know, as always Man, and this is a quote unquote 916 01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:53.039 impressive roster that we should definitely be having that conversation with and keeping our eyes 917 01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:57.599 on. You know, as the season continues to progress, all of these 918 01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:02.039 guys contributing immensely, and again it's why it elevates, you know, more 919 01:01:02.119 --> 01:01:06.960 talk of the excitement that people really should have. You know, as we 920 01:01:07.039 --> 01:01:09.320 start getting a little bit closer. You know what I'm saying to that that 921 01:01:09.400 --> 01:01:13.760 you know, crunch time sort of speak after NBA All Star weekend, tread 922 01:01:13.760 --> 01:01:15.239 deadline and things of that nature, and that push for the play in and 923 01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:20.639 playoffs. Yeah, absolutely so hopefull our fans listeners have been tuning in. 924 01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:22.360 Let us know who you think should be traded. Did we miss anybody who 925 01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:25.199 should be on this potential list? And let us know about what you think. 926 01:01:25.199 --> 01:01:29.199 Who's your all impressive team to date this far? Guys, who have 927 01:01:29.239 --> 01:01:31.199 you know maybe come out of nowhere or just having a career season that you 928 01:01:31.199 --> 01:01:34.760 would want to not let us know in our comments flow or hit us up 929 01:01:34.800 --> 01:01:37.880 on our social media as always, man, but great, great conversation always, 930 01:01:37.880 --> 01:01:42.480 brother. Absolutely once again for the baseline, Cali Warrant Shaw, we 931 01:01:42.519 --> 01:01:45.320 appreciate you guys, Thanks again for stopping by. We'll catch up with you 932 01:01:45.519 --> 01:02:00.239 next time. Ho