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the NBA. All right, so without further aduce Shaw, let's get right
into it, man, trade wins. We're gonna be talking about players who
the rumors are gonna either get blown get blown up, or they getting flown
they getting sent elsewhere. And I think one of the hot button players out
there right now is for Toronto Raptors Power Force last Center, Pascal sack them.
Listen, I know you know it's a foregone conclusion that the talent of
Pascal is still somewhere in that conversation is he has another level, he has
another gear. Don't know whether or not he'll ever find that continuing to play
for the Toronto Raptors. But Seaw, I think we can both agree on
if you are the Toronto Raptors, you really have to start thinking about your
rebuilding process, especially since you've already gotten rid of Fred van Fleet. You
are finally able to offload og In and Obi right, and in return you're
getting a quality player n RJ. Barrett right, and you've got some supplementary
pieces. I think you really want to try and test the waters and give
opportunity and time and see what the organization can get, you know, from
those players. I think if Pascal Siakam is the last piece, I think
you definitely have to consider it and think you definitely need to sell high.
You know, while the talent level and the the clamoring for his height,
what he can brings to the table is in high demand right now in the
current NBA climate. Yeah, Toronto's are just in a situation where they want
to align the rest of the roster to the age I think, and building
around Scotty Barnes. So with Barnes basically being seven years younger than Siakam,
the timeline is a necessarily exact and I think the Raptors kind of realize,
kind of realize that this isn't a roster that's going to take them to another
NBA Championship in any capacity. However, as you know, as we record,
rumors coming out here that Siakam might get an extension because he's really started
to pick things up here in the last you know, fifteen fifteen days or
so. He's really playing good, good basketball. But you could use that
as well, he's boostering his trade value as well. Toronto does not really
know where it's going just yet as we record here today, but I think,
I think and Suspectiaca will ultimately be moved here and they try to go
in another direction. There are a couple of teams that that have been mentioned.
Sham's reported over the course of this last week that Sacramento has a lot
of interest. Chris Haynes reported that Golden State has emerged as a as a
dark horse team that has some interest in as well. Rumors about Miami,
rumors about Philadelphia at one point, and Atlanta Hawks for another team that are
kind of influxed and not really sure what they want to do, have also
been mentioned as well too. When the season started, I thought Atlanta might
have made a lot of sense. As the season has progressed, Atlanta seems
to be going in the opposite direction of that, So I don't know if
that's where ultimately goes. I think it probably he does land somewhere out west,
but for what package and what team that remains to be determined. But
the mere fact that they're still thinking about extending him is really interesting. And
do you want to be tied into Siacame as good as he is? You
know, at forty plus million dollars a year right now, he's going to
make thirty seven in his final year. That's only going to go up.
So yes, he's a twenty point per game guy. But does he stunt
the growth ultimately of Scottie Barnes and then even r J Barrett if that's who
you're traded, You traded Ojan Ando before you know? What are you expecting
out of those guys? Any manual quickly? Who I think a lot of
people are saying, has Tyrese maxi ish talent if given the opportunity, So
the get in the way of that? Or can he play alongside that?
All those all those questions remain to be answered. Yeah, listen, if
you're the Toronto Raptors right now, you cannot find a better window of opportunity
for yourself, for you really to consider this, this this idea about possibly
moving him. You know, there are several teams SHAW that I think have
access to one a player like Siakam, and I think the question just comes
down to are you just willing to pull the trigger? And I think it
puts some of these gms in a tenable position when you think about that,
because if they don't pull the trigger, then it clearly means that they have
a mindset of what they believe that the team should look like and the expectations
of that being successful because they should be, you know, participating in the
playoffs. Right. So when you talk about teams like the Golden State Warriors,
it is quite obvious that if you have a certain system like what Steve
Kerr has, but the players that you're utilizing are not able to execute that
system effectively. Whether you're siding with your star players or not, whatever the
case may be, wherever you are with your GM, I would think you
have to kind of kick that tire around and see can this person and really
augment offset a lot of the deficiencies that this quote unquote system that the coach
is implemented or wanting to see come out happening you know, and and look,
it's this is the question here is how many other players like a Pascal
Siakam are available to be able to help bolster what your team is going to
give you and afford to do. If there are a plethora of other players
out there, then I would say, yeah, you know, you don't
necessarily have to do it. Maybe you can get you know what I'm saying
a a a lesser version of a Pascal Siakam type to to to do those
things. But I really do think that if you're a competitive basketball team and
you have pieces that are more questionable than more ironclad, then I really think
you have toally you have to explore you know that that that situation I think
where you can throw out of the conversation. Are these young teams like the
Magic, the Thunder, the Sacramento Kings, even though I think the Sacramento
Kings believe that they have to do that. To me, the Sacramento Kings
are a funny team because I believe you're playing with fire. I believe it's
about you believing in the players that got you to where you were last year
and them getting better. And if they're not getting better and they're taking a
significant step back. Then, to me, that's more on what accountability is
the head coach and the coaching staff having on some of these players. What
are we doing with the rotations, What are we doing about instilling that competitiveness
with these guys, because you can't take such a big step back in an
already open Western Conference and teams that you were clearly better than last year.
Like we knew that the Kings were better than the Oklahoma City Thunder, we
knew that they were better than the Minnesota Timberwolves. Well, how now suddenly
are baby leap frogged over you and suddenly becomes so much better than you that
it's now forcing you to have to be in trade conversations about getting a guy
like Pascal Siakam and what would you willing to give that up in order to
assume that Sam's presence is going to elevate them into that conversation? Is he
really that type of player? I don't believe. So I think it's it's
how Siacam is ultimately casted. Right, So you look at where he was
the most successful when they won an NBA championship, and he was basically the
third banana. If you will he's one two wherever. How do you want
to call it in Toronto right now? And I think that's where you're limiting
your success in a place like Sacramento. He's probably third banana again behind Fox
and Sabonis. And while Sabonus isn't a volume scorer, he's you know,
he's a scorer in the range of Siakam, you know, the twenty ish
to twenty two with type type of game. I don't know though, from
a side standpoint, because that's where Sacramento really struggled at certain points in the
rebounding. Sakam is a decent rebounder, but not necessarily a plus rebounder,
so it's an interesting fit. I think they're just looking at it from a
talent standpoint. Do you get off of Keik and Murray to bring Siakam there?
The contract of Harrison Barnes probably has to be than that from a veteran
side, and also just to kind of match some money. So the things
there don't really make don't line up for me immediately, But I understand why
Sacramento wants to just kind of get into the space where they're trying to put
accelerant on their their overall success. The team that hasn't been mentioned that makes
a lot of sense to me, and I'd love to get your thoughts on
it really quickly is Dallas. To me, you know, Grant Williams has
been all right, but hasn't really done the job right. It's like you
struggle to get that out. I think Siakam alongside uh, you know you,
you continue to develop a guy like you know, Derek Lively at that
center position, you still have Powell and players like that. I think he
could pretty much be what Dallas needs in essence to kind of get them into
that next tier. But again, if he go to Sacramento or if you
were to go into the Golden State, I can understand why either one of
those teams that would do it. The last thing I'll say about it really
quickly is before you give your thoughts on Dallas is because we don't we're not
sure what direction Atlanta wants to go. I just don't know how they're in
this conversation because Atlanta's thinking about selling off parts, So what are you doing
if you're acquiring I would have to assume they're trying to offload Trey Young there
too. I'd have to assume they're trying to offload Capella, right, I
mean, but do you want Zakam to be your small ball five or you
you do? Do does it really? But does it really? That's for
a congo, But it doesn't really matter, I mean because ahead well well,
well, I mean, at the end of the day, Atlanta's is
to me probably the biggest wild card in the situation because you just don't know
what direction they're teetering on. We'll talk about them in a minute, but
the Jonte is up for potential trade, the deck bays of potential trade.
Copella is always in trade rumors, So what exactly direction is Atlanta trying to
go? Knowing that Trey Young also air quotes wants to win. So to
me, it's it's very, very convoluted when you think about some of the
teams that are sniffing around Siakam and then understanding what role you want Sakam to
ultimately play for that new roster. Well, okay, So it's interesting because
when I think about the Atlanta Hawks, I believe that they are a mirrored
image in a way of the Dallas Mavericks, only in that you have two
dynamic guards and yet where your team really suffers is on your front court play.
You don't have consistency from your front Now, look, if you compared
the rosters and you look at the way that these teams play, it's kind
of hard to imagine why the Atlanta Hawks have been struggling as much as they've
been struggling, like sidek days putting up decent numbers. But if you ask
me and you made the comparison of say, like the Dallas Mavericks, I
mean, look what they're getting from Dante Exim, from Tim Hardaway Junior right,
and from Derek Livelan, and you put those numbers up and they're not
you know, in the same level of comparison of what you're getting from Clint
Capella and from Sadiq Bay So I think there's clearly something in the chemistry the
way that the team flows with that type of roster. So to your point,
Shaw, do I think Pascal Siakam is a good fit for the Dallas
Mavericks. I would say yes, because if you're down on Grant Williams,
you you know, Dante ExHAM has been really good, but you're not gonna
rely on that. Again, this is more of a backcourt heavy type roster.
They really have nothing in the front court, even while they are developing
Derek Lively, so an approven player like Pascal Siakam, I think his presence
and I think his contributions will be so much more significant to the Dallas Mavericks
than I would see with the Atlanta with the Alama So I'm glad to say
falcons with the Atlanta Hawks. Here's the interesting part though, If you are
the Toronto Raptors, what kind of package do you think would be better fit
for them to consider whatever's coming from the Dallas Mavericks or whatever would be coming
from the Atlanta Hawks, Because I think that there's more attractive, attractive pieces
to give to the Toronto Raptors to get a guy at Pascal Siakam with the
Atlanta Hawks. Doesn't mean that I think that Siakam going to the Atlanta Hawks
is better, But I agree with you in the sense that with doubt the
Dallas Mavericks, they would soar need a guy like that who I think can
bolster that team's front court presence, rebounding, scoring consistency. He won't be
the greatest defensive replacements for this team, but definitely but He's definitely ten steps
ahead of where this Dallas Mavericks seam was as they suffer defending the basketball.
Yeah, well, I mean it's a great question because Toronto has a weird
rosters as even as is constructed. So I think when you're looking what pieces
you're trying to bring back, is you're bringing back Siakam's actual replacements to build
upon, or are you moving Scottie Barnes into a four ish role when he's
been playing point guard two and three, you know, all season long.
So it's it's a really really interesting case study here on the Raptors. But
I agree with you whole hartly that I think Atlanta at face value has a
better package of players too, because that they could get off of the Hundre
Hunter if you don't believe in the guy will talk about later on. But
you know, Jalen Johnson is somebody who thinks is emerging that hey, maybe
you'd want want to take a flyer there on that too. In addition,
I mean, you don't want Capella and Yaka Purtle together, but there's just
other players there. I think that speak to what Toronto may ultimately want if
they wanted to make a move there from from Atlanta. Whereas you're looking at
the Mavericks and Grant Williams probably has to go in that after January fifteenth?
Would you trade Tim Hardaway junior to match salaries? But he's been your sixth
man of the year. Josh Green, Jayden Harvey like prospect guys, but
do they get in the way of Argie Barrett. So to me, I
agree with one thousand percent in Atlanta has the better package of that work to
go. But ultimately, you know, the last team I'll discuss on this
and we'll move on from siakam is. If Golden State does get into this,
then are you asking for the Moodies and the coamingas you know back if
you're Toronto, And I'd say that that's kind of what it has to take
in essence to try to move that to Golden State specifically because you want to
make sure that you're getting talent that at least seems to be on the upswing
here as opposed to some of those other guys that I mentioned. Your tuned
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in the show. All right, so let's go ahead, y'aw. Let's
talk about Since we were on the conversation about the Atlanta Hawks with Deontay Murray
and Sadi Bay. You know, it's interesting because I think a lot of
people were excited about the combination of Trey Young and Deontay Murray. Listen,
I did I say Dejonte or deontaymon? Though? I think as I like
to want to make it silent, he should consider it. I mean,
that could be his next that could be his modeling name. Yeah, there's
Kante George in Utah. But the Dejonte with you? All right, well
we'll go with Dejonte because I don't know. You never know again on the
show, and I'll start messing around and call him, you know, Messiah
shout out to my man, Messiah. Man. He knows. I wasn't
intended to do that purpose, but it was. That's one of our awesome
moments. You know, when I think back on our show is when we
got the Twitter why do you keep calling them? You? Yeah, spelling?
I was like, man, you're right, bro. I was like,
I'm so And you know, there's still those times where I'll pause,
I'm like I get this right, So, oh my gosh, all right,
so Dejonte, why is he so attractive? Show? I don't understand.
Yeah, I mean just because he's a guy at least in theory that
can play both ways. He can score the basketball obviously, in defend gets
a decent amount of steals. Some of those numbers are been antiquated or not
as heavy in Atlanta because they play a little bit of different style when he
was kind of the man in San Antonio. But people say, listen as
a third player on our roster, our third best player. You know,
that's a high, high level talent, and there's some interest in what he
can do, especially from the play creation side, and then defensive he's more
locked in and engaged Atlanta. They they're scoring a bunch of points right now,
not really playing a whole lot of defense. Again, he's kind of
put that in his back pocket, but I think teams kind of remember what
he was, what he was and said and tell you and feel like,
you know what, that would be a great piece for us as a two
way, two way guy who can kind of just fit in and and and
really guard you know, one through three, I think in a lot of
ways, but also do some play creation as well too. So that's why
you see the Lakers, you know, just clamoring for the possibility. Also
the clutch relationship between he and lebron Ad et cetera, et cetera, that
plays into it. But de Jonte does have a lot of interest, you
know, for some teams out there, especially trying to make a splash at
the at the at the front court sorry, back court position. So you
like him with the Los Angeles Lakers if the last if the Lakers were able
or would be able to package or pull the trigger on being able to bring
him over. I mean, as always, it depends what what should give
up, right, but I think Gay Vincent, because of the injuries,
hasn't hasn't really worked out your guy d LO. First of all, listen,
you add you, you add de Jontay Murray on that team, they
are significantly a better offensive team, right. But I guess part of my
struggle with this team is the fact that even if you're saying you bring him
over and he's a better player for what they currently have as the roster goes,
I still don't understand the identity of the Los Angeles Lakers because they're not
They're not showing you that they're great defensively either. They're decent, but they
have not been as good as they've been in the last few years. Right,
So, and to your point you just mentioned it earlier, you say,
look, he's kind of put his defense in the back pocket because he's
become more of an offensively forward player. You know, I don't want to
say offensive, mind, I think he's an offensive forward player. I don't
know if it's because of playing next to Trey Young or because of Quinn Snyder's
style of play that he's trying to get the Atlanta Hawks to play. I
just wonder if whether or not he's able to get back to being the kind
of player that he was in San Antonio, where you know, we talk
about two way in that kind of And this is the reason why I said
Shaw that the quote un quote two way player that Moniker, I feel like
it's becoming a dying It's a dying thing. I'm starting to see lesser and
lesser of the emphasis on two way play per se at that position, that
shooting guard position that was elevated by the likes of the Klay Thompson's and the
Kawhi Leonards and the Paul George's. You know what I'm saying, Like,
I feel like that is shifted and so if he is still part of that
elk sort of speak, is that what the expectations are going to be if
the Lakers were to pull that trigger? And is it worth giving up the
capital toy'll probably have to give in order to bring that kind of player to
that top to that roster any team thinking the Lakers. But you're just looking
at ways in essence to take some pressure off Lebron in terms of the play
creation, because with all the changing lineups that have happened here now Delo to
the bench, Lebron has more or less become and maybe he always was kind
of the de facto point guard, but with Gabe Benson being injured all year,
that also just put more play, more pressu on him. From a
play creation. The only the best next best person is Austin Reeves, and
he can do it. But it's not something that I think you want it.
You want it as a complimentary role, not as necessarily the primary role
for either one of those guys, especially at the stage of Lebron's career.
And then just even what reeves ultimate skill set is again secondary playmaking awesome,
but not your primary guy. So Dejonte has a guy comes in who at
least in his last year in San Antonio average nine assist the game, you
know, was slowly climbing. He got to Atlanta, and because Trey is
so well dominant, well, those as dropped all the way back down to
four and five. But I think, you know, in an LA system,
especially with Lebron and Ad on the wings or on the post, whatever
you need to do, you'd see those numbers get probably up in the seven
to eight range. So I understand why the Lakers have interest. It's interesting
to know, though Philadelphia mine has some interest, which is a little little
bizarre only from the aspect because you think Maxi is doing so well doing both
the play creation and scoring for himself. So I don't know how that would
make sense if that to ultimately come fruition. And as always, you know,
Miami and teams like that are are sniffing around as well too. But
I think if the Jonte gets moved, it's most likely going to be through
the clutch situation to the Lakers for what package, you Knowhatchama. I don't
think the Lakers would move Austin Reeves, you know, and in the Johntey
deal, but at Chimura Tory and Prince guys like that and some draft capital,
maybe that makes it work indeed, though probably as well. Well.
It's interesting that you mentioned that Shaw and I want to make sure that we
are able to cover the Deep Bay real quick and the rest of the other
guys we have listed for our trade wind segment. But the one thing that
I think I wonder about with deant Dejontay Murray's gameplay is is he someone that
is effective without the ball? Right? So in other words, you know,
we've seen certain players like Rip Hamilton who elevated their their their their game
movement without the ball. Trey Young is ball dominant. But the reason why
I grew tired of people trying to make the comparisons of him and Steph Curry
is Steph Curry has proven to be a much more effective player when he moves
without the basketball. That is why he is the MVP level, and we
just don't see that nearly as often with Trey Young. Trey Young has to
have the ball to literally be an effective player. Now, his numbers are
adequate, but you can clearly see he's someone if he added that element to
his game. I think that that the Hawks as a team collectively would be
so much better because of his ability to score. If that is on,
say de Jontay Murray to be able to do that, you move him somewhere
else. My question is, what exactly are you getting back for that guy.
You want him to be the ball controlling type guard that he was when
he had those responsibilities to San Antonio, or do you want him to be
the offset guard, shooting guard type player that he has now become with the
Atlanta Hawks, Because again, part of this is his ability to score without
having a basketball in his hands. Well, I mean, yeah, he
can slash, he can beat some of his some some people off the dribble,
but he's become a decent three point shooter up to thirty eight percent this
year, and that's with Trey Young more or less setting him up. So
I don't know how many how many of those aren't catch and shoot situations,
you know right now, but at thirty eight percent, that's pretty good.
And you know, he's in a space where he is secondary and not having
to do a lot of play creation. So I think the Lakers would want
him to be more the San Antonio guy, where the ball is in his
hands a lot and creating for others almost like what they thought or hoped Rust
could have been for them, you know, thinking in that ilk. But
if he goes anywhere else, then that that changes the dynamic, especially if
it's Philadelphia. I just I'm I'm not as sold on that aspect as I
would be of him going over to the West Coast and the Lakers. Absolutely
all right, shah really quick, Sadik Bay Is there an appetite for him,
you know with other teams or if you're the Atlanta Hawks and you know,
given what you gave up to get him and what he really is giving,
could he be still a foundational foundational piece? Yeah, just well,
I don't know how much a finacial piece because they didn't extend its contract,
right they had they could have done that, you know, earlier. So
he's basically playing on the last year of his rookie scale. And yeah,
he has a fifty ball and in his career and didn't do that initially with
Atlanta, did that in his years in Detroit. Capable three point shooter.
But he's going to be looking for his next deal, So can you move
off of that before you actually have to pay him? And I think there
was some hesitancy on that because they probably wanted to see how guys like Jalen
Johnson would develop. What do they get out of DeAndre Hunter? So they
acquired him last year, which I still thought was a little bit of a
bizarre move. And I don't know that he hasn't played bad, but I
just don't know that the roster fits for what his talent. Said is with
all the other guys that they have, so other teams, especially playoff contending
teams looking for a bench scorer specifically, might really be interested. You know,
do the shameless plug here. The Celtics have a lot of interest apparently
according to you know my guy Gary Washburn, and just do the Celtics show
with him. And he's a guy who I think could potentially make some sense
for Boston at a salary because right now he's still on that rookie scale.
But knowing that then you trade from you get the bird rise and you'll probably
end up having to extend him. But I can see him in a place
like Boston for sure, excuse me. And if he wanted to go over
into the West, maybe Houston can utilize some more firepower off that bench that
they wanted to try to do something. But they also have a lot of
young guys too in that team that they're trying to develop. But I think
they'll be somewhat of a market for Bay, But I don't know that.
I wouldn't say he's less likely to get moved than maybe at the Jonte or
some of the other guys we're talking about here today. All right, sounds
good. Your tuned to the baseline, Cali warns Shaw, discussing the hot
button topics of the NBA coming out. We got a couple more players that
we're gonna have this conversation with rot tred Wins and and do not go too
far away either man. We've got our impress Me team. We got some
players that we want you to make sure you keep your eye on, you
know, as you continue watching this exciting NBA season. More baseline, don't
go away, We're back, Cali Warrenshaw basedline NBA podcast as we continue our
conversation, trade wins if the trade room is getting blown or the players getting
flown. All right, So it's interesting, Seawe. We've talked about the
Raptors, We've talked about the Pistons, and it wasn't too long ago,
you know, there was conversation about pillaging the Chicago Bulls roster, and yet
the only person whose name now is come up and still remains in the conversation
Zach Levine. And rightfully so, I you know, listen, the combination
of him and DeMar de Rosen I think, and you know, Vucevich I
think is kind of warn It's course, right, So if there's I guess,
an attractable piece out of the three, you could probably say, Okay,
what could we get with or what we have to give up for a
guy like a zach Levine? I gotta tell you so, you know,
like it's interesting because for the longest time we have tried to, you know,
put zach Levine in a particular box, and I think it's brought us
to this point about what teams are really getting from that type of player.
So what are we what would you be getting right sea, Like, what
what is it that makes him at this point again so attractive you know for
another team? You know what I'm saying, to break their banks sort of
speak, to give up some goods in order to bring him on to their
roster. I think if you're a team that is truly truly struggling for a
secondary scorer at an elite level. Then you're looking at him as a potential
option, but knowing that he has had some issues and some run ins with
some coaches based on whatever his role and perceived role was supposed to be.
It'll be what I'm going to be watching for in the next few weeks.
Here is how he returns because he is now back from injury. He came
off the bench and understands that the Bulls have been playing better without him.
So it's very sobering. I think you know as a player to recognize,
like, wow, look how much better they are when I'm not here.
So do you come back in here with the same attitude in the same ways
and disrupt that chemistry, especially if you're trying to get moved. So to
me, whether or not he ends up or stays in Chicago or ultimately moves,
his attitude and how he matriculates within the current system is going to be
the determinive factor for either one of those things. Chicago now has more cards
on the deck because there wasn't really much of a market for him. So
do you say, well, listen, bro, we've been find whether they
were they're like ten and five or something like that. Without him. Listen,
you may stay in this venturol right now because we were kind of cooking
or is it or is it he's just too big of a person where that
can't be the case. I ultimately think he's going to find his way back
into the starting lineup. I don't think they bring him off the bench in
any capacity. But can he build his trade value? So alto you ask
what you're getting. You're getting a guy who has had some issue use with
some coaches, But you're a high level talent who can score, especially shoot
the three, has some clutch capability and playmaking as well too. I mean,
if you can find that within your roster, then good. I don't
see that as an elite team right now. It's gonna be one of those
middle of the pack teams that's trying to make you know that next slash or
maybe trading one discrntal superstar for another. And I don't know how many names
are out there like that currently. This is tough man. It's really interesting
because he is a very much he's he's definitely a capable scorer. I think
the question becomes and I think you brought it up earlier. Do you see
him being a role contributor to scoring the basketball right? Can he accept the
fact that he may not be the primary go to kind of guy. How
many teams right now are in a position unless they are a team that is
struggling that really doesn't have much of an identity that means you're going in there
to help create or build that identity, you know what I mean. So
it's a very interesting space, you know, for a guy like that.
Back Levine, I think if you were the Chicago Bulls and it really mattered
about what you wanted to do with him, you should have moved zach Lavine
a whole lot earlier. But if the Chicago Bulls haves this under control and
zach Lavine is completely fine with where things are, I don't think anything can
be done for him. I think I feel like if something has not happened
at this point, it's going to be hard pressed that it's necessary that teams
do need to pull the trigger, because, again, for what he brings
to the table, a lot of those teams that would want his presence have
to go in with the understanding that it's not so that he is elevating their
front line, their starting roster. It's he's elevating their second unit. He's
he's elevating you know those those those uh, those analytical numbers on the bull
let that don't let me interrupt in the aspect is like I think, because
when we talk about trades, right, we often think about, oh,
well, this guy's got to get to a better sit situation, in a
winning situation. I don't necessarily know that Chicago feels that way and has that
level of loyalty to Zach. He may balk at the idea, but that's
what I'm saying. It's it's a middle of the pack team, or it
might be a bad team. Listen, if you told me right now,
I'm gonna throw this out there and like, again, we're not aggregators or
you know, we're not plugged into the league where we're not breaking news.
But if you told me right now, the Wizards were like, you know
what, we regret the Jordan Poole thing. Give us Zach and we'll give
you Jordan Pool. Jordan Poole goes back to a more natural bench scoring role
in Chicago, and whatever that looks like is what it looks like. Zach
and Kyle Kuzma can can kind of cook in Washington. I could see something
like that kind of coming into fruition. If you were to say san Antonio
wanted to take on Zach Levine as a reclamation project and you know, not
put fast track, not fast tracket, but give them another capable scorer alongside
Wemby. I could see that. But those are not winning situations. Detroit.
You know, they trade their million wings and guards and people who don't
or duplicitous, you know what I mean, and it gets Zach Levine there.
It's like, okay, Cad and Zach as building blocks that could make
some sense. I don't think Zach is going to some situation where he's ultimately
now going to be the player that gets them over the proverbial top. Hence
why Philadelphia is not interested, hence why Golden State kicked the tires but is
not interested. The Knicks kick the tires, but no, no longer because
they just got Oji Ananobe. So to me, it's just it's we don't
have to say he's going to go somewhere where he's going to make that team
a title contender. Right now. It's hey, he might end up going
to a bad team where he can just get his shots off right. And
again, I'm flipping that on not just what you just on how you just
put it shaw from the organization executive stamp. I'm talking about from the player
standpoint in this case, Zach Levine, because I think that's what that comes
down to. I think, Zach Levine, I don't think we often have
a conversation. I don't want to get off track, but I don't think
we have enough of a conversation at times where we're thinking about what is the
player thinking about? How is he view the landscape of what the NBA is.
And I'm not talking about this conversation that you have between your agents.
I'm saying as a player and the legacy that you want to leave or whatever
your your personal goals are in having what's considered as a successful season. Well,
I'm gonna throw this out here, but you know, and we'll move
off of the Lavine conversation. But if you're Memphis, would you would you
look to maybe add him as a as a third scorer if you will?
Is it is it too much? It wouldn't be too much. But he's
a guy who can give you three point shooting. So you pair him alongside
a combination of Moran, Bain and Levine and even Jaron Jackson. It's pretty
pretty, pretty sick And I don't know what it cost you ultimately to get
kind of get something like that done, but I think it would give Memphis
an opportunity to get some more outside scoring, and Moran specifically more another target
out there to kick when he's driving to the basket. You know, again,
a team right now that's not as good as as they hope to be,
but maybe they can make a move for a guy like Zach and it
might make some sense where it wouldn't hurt the development of some of the other
other guys there. What do you think about something like that? I like
it. I like it. I like the idea of the premise of it.
It could work. Is there enough ball to go around? Though?
Because Jackson is trying to obviously score the basketball, Bane can score, and
Morant obviously you know, twenty point per game guy, So you're looking at
four players trying to average twenty a game. It's it's a little tough,
but anyway, I think it's it's probably miscasting him because he's he's obviously a
twenty even at at best a twenty five to twenty six point per game guy.
At worst, you know, a twenty one point per game guy,
e Zac Lavine. And I don't know if that would be the right fit
for him. But that's why I think some of those other teams that don't
have the requisite culture established right now and that are really struggling Washington, San
Antonio, et cetera, they would make a better fit than some of maybe
some of these other teams that are being One thing that I think is interesting
too, and I don't know. Again, we we we'd have to think
about what the longevity factor is for a guy like Zach Levine. Is is
he willing to play with teams that have that play with a faster pace?
Right? Like you know, you will get that with the Memphis Grizzlies once
Jahn Morant is fully you know, up to Ja Morant, Like right now,
he's you know, he's been gone for a quarter of a season,
like really almost half a season, right if you extend it all the way
back to last year. So if he's really at full tilt, we could
be completely talking about a completely different look of how this Memphis Grizzlies team looks
to score the basketball their athleticism, I would not. I would be remiss
in saying, have we have We just decided to kind of throw away the
fact that Zack Levine was one of the most athletic, you know, above
the rim type players and that maybe in some way for his relevancy to to
to be there, they have to play with a tempo that allows him to
get out there and open space and be able to you know, because his
game has been confined to a half court style type of game since playing with
the Chicago Bulls. Not to say that that's necessarily a bad thing. I
think it's it's really forced him to shoot the three better, to be able
to be a better, you know, kind of perimeter shooter, learn how
to play ISO ball a little bit better. But I do think that his
best game has always been where he's been able to get out open in space,
where he's been able to move, you know, without the ball,
and to get above the rim. At times, sometimes you need someone to
help you get there, and someone like a Ja Morant I think can do
that. But again that's just pining this guy for me. Yeah, absolutely
so, I think because he can play the two or the three. It
opens up some opportunities and if he wanted to again, I think Dallas could
get into that conversation if they wanted to. But those are three really interesting
personalities kind of put together. So but right now there's not much of a
market for Zach unfortunately, despite his talent level. So we'll see how he
acquiesces to the role here coming back in Chicago, as they've done better without
it absolutely, and I think as well to Shaw, the fact that there
are a lot of players playing his position at a high level has downgraded that
appetite for going after a zach Lavine, meaning that there's either they or an
upside from some of the role players or from the players that they've drafted or
brought up where from wherever that are playing that role position, or whatever the
case may be, that they just don't see. It's like, what am
I giving up in order to possibly still wait a little bit longer to see
what this player that I already have on my roster is willing to give me?
I think right now, until that kind of dies down or evens itself
out, zach Lavine's you know, trade winds are possibly getting blown okay,
all right, finally shot John Collins right for the San Antonio Spurs. It's
I'm sorry, Utah Jazz, John Collins, Zach Collins. I don't know,
they're playing like a Collins right now. So uh and right about now,
I need a little Phil Collins. It's just with what's going on.
But with John Collins though, you know, we were talking about this before
we jumped on and started recording. Recording, the show just doesn't seem like
people are completely enamored with him out there in Utah and it's much less the
same thing. I don't I don't understand it, man, because the guy
is really you know, he's a quality player, but it just doesn't seem
to translate into what should be, you know, the kind of numbers that
I guess gives the organization or the team he's playing with lovel of confidence they
will, you know, continue to move forward. So the fact that he's
now out there again, you know, in trade rumors, seems a little
disappointing. But at the same time, I don't know if it's necessarily surprising.
Yeah, he's not having a bad season, you know, almost fourteen
and eight, roughly shooting thirty seven percent from three forty seven from the floor,
he's he's been decent. At the end of the day, the move
was a flyer, But I didn't understand the flyer because, well, you're
just crowding that front court position when you have a guy like Walker Kessler and
not saying that you're building wal Kesler. You're clearly building around marketing. But
you just added something else into that to get into Kessler's development. I just
didn't understand it to begin with, and marketing. While he's played some three,
he's better at the four position, so to me, with Kelly Olynny
there as well too, the addition of cons fly or not was kind of
ridiculous. Now, I think at the end of the day, it's like,
well, they're going to try to see well because it didn't cost them
much, can they extrapolate that now and he maybe get something considerate for his
for his services. But I think the rumors are out there, they're like,
hey, doesn't really fit. But I again, he hasn't had a
bad season, so I just don't know a situation where he can go and
plug and play immediately. That's not even necessarily a ventual And I don't know
that that's what he wants for himself. But where are you putting him,
you know, for a team that might be willing to pay where they really
want him to kind of be and and and be within their starting to line
up and be their third or fourth option. I don't know that that currently
exists right now, but Utah is definitely going to kick the tires on it,
and I think it's going to speak to some other things too, because
I've been really perplexed with how they've handled that front corposition this year. Uh,
They're a pretty deep team and all things considered, for what is a
bad team if you will, well, you know, average team I guess
at best, but to me and college doesn't fit with they have going on
right now and definitely not for the future. Yeah, I think that if
you are the Utah Jazz, you really should figure out a way to be
able to move. But the problem is Shaw. We've talked about a few
other players right now that I think will take more precedent over a guy like
John Collins. You know, there's nothing, Yeah, but there's nothing that
There's nothing about his numbers and what he's currently doing over in Utah that is
overwhelming him. Overwhelmingly making him, you know, like top of the food
chain. You know, what is it going to take in order to get
him? You know what I mean? Everything is everything else about what you're
doing if you're trying to get a John Collins seems to be ancillary secondary.
Again, I'll just say Utah needs to clear the deck I think for some
of the other players that are there, and Collins is just kind of in
the way, not a bad basketball player in any capacity, but that thirteen
and seven is really doing much for them. They can get that production elsewhere,
so exactly, I can understand why they'd want to get other assets,
draft capital or whatever that may look like. But where does he plug and
play immediately? And there's not There's not a team that where that really seems
to make a whole lot of sense. Again, unless it's specifically more in
a bench role, as I alluded to before, and I don't know how
happy that'd make him. I've never let's put it like this, Shaw,
I don't know if I'm ever going to see an organization or a team want
to shop as hard as the Utah Jazz will probably try to shop and move
down, not because they they hate him, but because they know we gotta
we gotta, we gotta make something happen, because ain't nobody gonna make it
happen for us, you know. Yeah, So it's kind of like I
said, you make the move, and then sometimes that happens and you feel
like, hey, well we got them for cheap, and we'll probably be
able to flip them for more than we paid ultimately, and you just you
never know what the trade market is going to bear. And then you have
Danny Ainge as the executive in that space, who's a notorious you know,
he's a notorious extractor of you know, hard deals. So I think when
you couple those things together, Age himself may have to say, all right,
listen, Collins is Collins is solid, but I'm not going to get
back some sort of haul that I've gotten back in other deals. I think
that's where expectations have to come into play here on what they ultimately decide which
on look, man, Danny, Ain's gonna need to get him the clips,
man, add him, add him on to his into his executive team.
Man, that re up, don't know, don't nobody re up like
the clips? You know? I'm saying, when cats, when cats,
in the in the in the NBA, ethos be talking about we got it
for cheap. I'm like, y'all not listening to the clips right now,
bro, y'all need to listen to the clips and get it for cheap,
you know what I mean? So shout out to the clips. Man,
shout out, Shout out to that team man, one of the one of
the great hip hop groups of our generation. All right, coming up,
we're gonna end things off nicely with the Impressed Me Team. My man Shaw
not gonna quickly go over some guys that you should be putting on your radar
if you haven't already added them onto your fantasy roster, and if you if
you're waiting too long, they're probably gone, so you know, shame on
you. But this is the Impressed Me Team. These dudes are balling out
and you really need to be paying attention to them because they could probably be
the difference between your team if they're on your roster, uh, getting that
getting them to the conference finals possibly NBA Finals, So you don't want to
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us to discuss the Impressment Team. These are dudes that are, in the
immortal words of m from James Bond, they impressed me in facts. Okay,
So our roster from back court to front court. We've got Terry Rozier,
Kobe White, Derek White, Jimi Vasquez Junior, Jalen Johnson. That's
a pretty nice impressive. This is could be a starting five that might not
you know what I'm saying. I could probably win some games if you really
think about it. But what is it about these guys that impresses you?
I think more or less, you know when I take the landscape of these
five guys individually, and yeah, I think if you're going from a starter
standpoint, be a little bit undersized. Jalen Johnson, I have been playing
that five role, if you will. But Terry Rogier having a career hiring
points obviously Lonzo was out, but averaging twenty five for a game, a
seven assists for almost four rebounds, just really really hooping on a bad basketball
team. But I think we continue to understand that Rogier is a guy who
can really hoop given the opportunity and way. While if we're to go somewhere
else, you wouldn't atually want him to be your lead guy. But I
think in this role he's really really been having an amazing season. It's just
kind of gone undoice because Charlotte has been so dismal in general. Kobe White,
we talked about Zach Levine earlier in the show. Kobe White is border
less blossomed in Zach Levine's absence, career high almost eighteen a game, five
assists for rebounds, thirty nine percent from three, just really figuring out how
to be an NBA pro and impact winning in a way that he hasn't had
it had before. There's a lot of coming into his into his season,
his rookie year, and I don't think he delivered and was pressing too hard.
The game has clearly slowed down for him now as well too. What
can we say about Derek White? All Star considerations are being thrown his way
despite Tantum and Brown being there. Derek White right spur to be one of
the more important basketball play in the NBA, and especially on this Boston Celtics
team. Seventeen in the game, five assists and forty two percent from three
of steel le block one of the better two way guys out there as well
too, and you can see why they Jetti said Marcus Smart in essence to
give Derek White the proverbial keys on this roster. Hobmi Hawkins Junior are probably
the biggest surprise I think in terms of the rookie class. The Miami Heat
do it Again had a big thirty to ten game on Christmas Day, really
really making waves here as the Miami Heat just continue to get guys wherever they
are and turn them into valuable basketball players. And finally, Jalen Johnson on
this Atlanta Hawks team. There was a lot of conversation and I was dead
ass wrong. I gotta say this here. I thought DeAndre Hunter was finally
gonna have the breakout year it was. Jalen Johnson was like, no,
hold my beer, it's my time. A Hunter we're seeing is injured yet
again, and Jalen Johnson, coming back from injury, is now averaging sixteen
the game, sixty percent from the floor and forty one percent from three.
Didn't know he'd be able to shoot it like that. Almost three attempts a
games, so not super volumes, but again three attempt a game, forty
one percent. I think these five guys have had seasons that are are noteworthy
and should be recognized by some who may not always paying attention. Derek White,
you see him because the Boston's doing so good. But some of these
other guys on some struggling teams that you may not be paying its close attention
to. Absolutely, you know, listen, shout out to our man.
You know you're you're a former young son now is a grown man. Terry
Rozier, right, Like, you know, he was so maligned and you
can't blame him because the Charlotte Hornets offered him the bag. He took it.
He probably felt like with what he was contributing and with you know,
what he did for the Boston Celtics, he would have hoped that obviously he
would have been able to continue that impressive run with the roster that they had,
especially being next to Tatum and Brown. But you know, as as
he bet on himself, right, and he's had to wait this out,
so the opportunity was there for him to be able to go out there and
you know, show us that he is a capable scorer, he's a he's
a capable guard. We've always believed that. I don't know if on a
bigger stage sort of speak, there there is sustainability for what he's doing.
But in this moment in time, the opportunity is there and he's putting himself
again back in that position where he should be. You know, in the
eyes of a lot of people who are saying that they need a legit.
You know, reliable quality guard, and if he continues to shoot the basketball
as well as he's been shooting in this in this iteration, this period that
he's in right now, I think, you know, you have to start
taking a long, hard look with some of these other teams that could be
missing that aspect to what is necessary for their team to take a next step,
you know what I mean. I don't know if it stays with the
Charlotte Hornets. I do think that you may have to really reconsider this this
combination of him and ball and things of that nature. But I just think
that only Terry Rozier and what he's contributing to me is so remarkable in that
he's been given second life to prove that he is a more than capable guard.
You don't have too many of those, you know, in those conversations.
The last time we think we had that we talked about was what Tyas
Jones, And look what's happened with him, you know what I mean?
Like, so I would hope that that's not what happens with Terry Rozier because
I do believe that as overall and all around guard play, I think he's
much better and I think he you know, he's showing that. Yeah.
Again, I'm a big fan of Terry, so we talk about him a
lot, you know, periodically throughout here on the baseline, and I want
to continue to see him thrive and whatever that ultimately looks like. He's a
good individual with a great heart and has always probably gotten he got the short
end the stick, I think in Boston ultimately, but now, especially with
Lonzo being out, has been able to really showcase his skill set and whether
he's there long term or not. He's a capable scorer averages fifteen or fourteen
and a half for his career, but at right now, twenty four game
this year and seven dimes, also passing the ball extremely well too. This
is the best season from Terry Rozire by far. Absolutely all right, I
want to really quickly talk about the Derek White situation or conversation. First of
all, there's no doubt that he should be in All Star considerations. I
think that when you look at the total package of what Derek White is doing
and how he has helped elevate and stabilize what is always seem to have been
one of the most I guess non stable circumstances has been the backcourt play of
the Boston Celtics. It always feels like it seems like the Celtics have been
reaching and been experimenting, not just through the years of having Brown and Tatum,
but even before that, with being able to say, you know,
this is what we want, this is how we want things to be reflective
of. When we think about the Celtics consideration of the Celtics way, the
combination of White and Drew Holiday absolute home run. Kudos to Brad Stevens in
regardless of what happens moving forward, I know that they're supposed to be championship
aspirations. To see what Derek White has become and has evolved into while he
is getting those those all Star considerations, This doesn't happen unless he's playing next
to Drew Holiday. This I think speaks volumes of having a guy like Drew
Holliday on your roster. Man, right, because I'm not saying that Jew
Holiday is, you know, washed up or whatever. There's a reason why
the Celtics still keep Al Hawford on their roster. There's a reason why it
was important that the Celtics gave up what they needed to and did what they
had to to bring over Drew Holiday because now what you're seeing the translation,
you know what I'm saying, the communication, the way that we know that
Derek White in ways mimics a little bit of what you get from Jew Holiday.
But you're seeing now with what he's been contributing, it's all coming together
and it's beautiful to watch he is in a way, you know, Jew
Holiday two point zero in some senses you could probably not go wrong. But
I'm just saying in the background, you know, in the whispers, in
those those corners of the room, Derek White will probably tell you, I
don't get to this point unless I'm playing next to a guy like Drew Holliday,
and the fact that it's elevated him to be in that conversation of All
Star. I just think, to me, I said in the beginning,
I said, I see the Bucks coming out of the East, because I
thought that there was a different version of Giannis that is going to emerge or
appear or whatever. I'm still waiting to see that. If I see that,
this is what I'm getting from Derek White and what I'm seeing from the
Celtics collectively. Because of the presence that Drew Holliday has helped elevate in the
roster. From this, that makes that Celtics team the most dangerous team,
period, point blank. Because that's what you want when you bring players onto
your team on your starting squad, is you're elevating the play and the mindset
of all those guys on that roster, and you're seeing it, and that's
why White is where he is. I don't I agree that Derek White has
an All Star case. And without getting too far into because we'll have Allstar
conversation, you know, I later date, but I don't see how Boston
has a third and fourth all It's difficult. I know, I know,
yeah, but right you know with porzingis there as well too. But the
East I wouldn't say as necessarily loaded, but there's some guys who are just
perennial guys who are going to be there. And you add dam into that
into that situation here now, who's usually in the West. You know,
it makes it just makes it harder for White there unless there's a slew of
injuries or guys who bow out of the All Star Game. But he definitely
has a case for it, and hence, while we're highlighting him, here,
So I think again with especially with the forty two percent from three and
then the stealing, the stealing the block and just even what he does deflections
and just staying in front of his guy on a regular basis, Derek White
is a is a pros pro. And while initially I think most of the
Boston Faith were like first round picks for Derek White, that seems to be
paying over itself, you know, double time and Celtics. So I think
we'll do that deal one hundred times out of one hundred, absolutely, man.
And and to your point to add emphasis to that, what were those
first round picks really worth to those other teams that had them and what they
did with them? Right, I think that's what you have to look at.
I think we're we are so caught up in the capital of the picks
as they are, that you have to also think about what the picks are
truly supposed to be worth two three years down the road from the what you're
getting out of the player that you're bringing on to your team. You know,
we never said that Derek White was trash, right. We actually appreciated
the fact that the Celtics brought that player because one he was not just a
role player, but he was contributing in things that the Celtics were suffering immensely
and he filled in those things admirably. And then in this iteration of trying
to figure out where the Celtics were gonna go from a backcourt perspective, we
weren't completely sol on an idea. Do you do it with Derek White?
But you only do it knowing that you have the flexibility now to get you
a Drew Holliday right and to know that that guy in the iteration of his
career can help impact and effect what you're now getting from a Derek White.
I'm just saying that this again, it's a long term play that we probably
didn't see coming, maybe the Celtics did see coming. But in the end,
you will to your point for what the Celtics gave up in order to
get what you're getting now at this particular juncture, and it could be that
case for the next year or two, who knows, But that is exactly
why you do those type of deals, no fear of it. That's why
it's important to understand, you know, we all when we all do it,
and we're going to continue to do We're going to judge the deal at
the face value when they happen, but when you can be reflective and look
at it a year, two years down the line and see what happens,
great because sometimes not everything it doesn't give you that immediate gratification or even that
level of understanding. But this is definitely paid devindens here too as well.
I mean Derek White even saving them last year in the Eastern Conference Finals to
even forced a game six. He's not on the roster, then you know
who's who's making that play so exact in any event, you know, great,
great, great season for him. Looking to continue to see that happen
for him in all capacities, whether it makes the All Star team or not.
He's still an All Star regardless, absolutely, Man, great conversation,
Shaw, you know, as always Man, and this is a quote unquote
impressive roster that we should definitely be having that conversation with and keeping our eyes
on. You know, as the season continues to progress, all of these
guys contributing immensely, and again it's why it elevates, you know, more
talk of the excitement that people really should have. You know, as we
start getting a little bit closer. You know what I'm saying to that that
you know, crunch time sort of speak after NBA All Star weekend, tread
deadline and things of that nature, and that push for the play in and
playoffs. Yeah, absolutely so hopefull our fans listeners have been tuning in.
Let us know who you think should be traded. Did we miss anybody who
should be on this potential list? And let us know about what you think.
Who's your all impressive team to date this far? Guys, who have
you know maybe come out of nowhere or just having a career season that you
would want to not let us know in our comments flow or hit us up
on our social media as always, man, but great, great conversation always,
brother. Absolutely once again for the baseline, Cali Warrant Shaw, we
appreciate you guys, Thanks again for stopping by. We'll catch up with you
next time. Ho