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jazz. But yeah, we were reviewing every single Mad Max, which luckily
just four of them to get to Furiosa. So we did Mad Max last
week at the Road Warrior this week. So yeah, let's let's talk about
it. Mister Field, what did you think of the Road Warrior. I.
Yeah, I've never seen this one before. Again, my experience was
really limited just to the Fury Road one and the original one. So this
this was unshuted territory. And I actually liked it a lot more than I
was expecting, because I get I wasn't expecting that I was really gonna enjoy
it, but just because it just like I didn't watch any trailers, but
I've seen like a couple images and stuff like that. But I liked how
simple it was. I liked how it was just this basic story and the
only con I really do have is just how stupid the character's decisions are,
and mostly just I feel like Max is actually pretty stupid at times in this
with what he decides to do. But I guess it's just this blunt like
determination that he has just to keep doing what he's doing trekking on and that
really cost him a lot in this movie. But yeah, I overall,
I I enjoyed it, and it's, uh, it's cool to see this
world kind of expanded and built up a little bit more. I like how
it had this intro that kind of gave us a little bit more insight into
the overall story and just the world and how things kind of got to where
they are, and just how things have really changed since that first film with
this really really transitioned over. And uh, yeah, I'm I don't think
there were any other like reoccurring Characters's just Max that was back for this,
right, I mean, ye, different dog or was it the same dog?
Doesn't have to be like the same dog actor, but like, yeah,
it was like the same dog or that he had. Yeah, he
wanted too much money, so they had to recast. Yeah, I guess
new dog next time. Baby, that's what you said. Baby? What
did he did? He die in the first one? The dog? Why
can't I remember? I don't remember the dog dying. I don't remember the
dog even being in the first one. Yeah, I remember he got like
a puppy, went like, yeah, it was very random. You're right,
it could be right, but I don't know for sure. M Yeah,
I guess. The only other thing, too, is just the way
people dress in the Apocalypse is like they're going to a rave, which just
doesn't make any sense. There's some stuff like you're scaling trucks and like climbing
up and like sliding your ass on ship, like Oh yeah, they're Rusty
cuts man, Yeah, rusty cuts, Like you gotta have that ten for
sure. You've seen the campaign. You've seen the campaign with the rusty slide
that they go down. That's just what I picture on their ass cheeks.
Great movie the campaign. Are you done? Go for it? Speak just
adding on to the whole attire thing is like, because this is like what
people would wear like Bernie Man or something essentially like like this type of attire,
and like, is that is that all just like inspired because of Mad
Max, like this apocalyptic like leathers, asses out, funky goggles. Do
they wear assholes leather at Burning Man? Oh yeah, I'm sure never been,
but well, fig that's a big assumption. N Now, there definitely
was that at the club on Friday night. There's definitely that kind of at
Friday is not Burning Man, No, but they were dressed like that,
so if I mean, yeah, the asses were just out everywhere, not
just guys googling, I called bullshit. I don't think anyone else had like
a singlet leather thing at the Rack. It was definitely rave night at the
Corral. I can tell you that. Did anyone have a leather singlet like
some of these main characters skint, like just skin pop out there. Yeah.
Actually there was actually a lot of like I call it bathing suits,
but it was not just bathing suits. It was like full on like they
were out they what was out? They were and with me to the Crawl
on Friday Night, I'll show you Kirklands some quick Google images they kind of
got, like the funky goggles. I'll give you the goggle. I guess
that I was expecting. I'll give you the goggles. There you are.
That's okay, that's just like the press tour, that's just him. Yeah,
I guess I don't know, because we're just burning man over side like
Nevada, I think, like the desert. Yeah, it's tough because I
just don't know. Like Mad Max was a big movie, but I just
don't know if it was like that big to inspire, like we dressed like
this because we all loved Mad Max and that start. Like, I don't
know if it's that. I think it's probably more George Miller riffing on those
type of genre of clothing or attires. That's why I'd say it's more probably
him pulling from stuff in that era than them inspiring burning Man, but you
never know, you never know. Yeah, so going going through all these
movies, Actually it's my first time experiencing Mad Max. I watched Fury Road
for the first time last year. I probably already talked about this on the
first episode. I don't know why I'm reiterating that, but just so we're
all clear, this is my first go around with these Mad Max films.
Give us your review of Mad Maxican. So the first one, yeah,
it was, it was pretty good. No, I I felt like because
I didn't I don't know, I had certain expectations going into maybe the first
one what to expect because of just what I had seen from Fury Road,
and then didn't like it as much as I I kind of was expecting to
for that first one, and then here for the second one. Now,
I actually I actually liked this one quite a bit more than the first,
I think because it's not so much an origin story anymore, like we did
get that in the last film. Now it's just it's just Mad Max the
road Warrior, you know, like he's he's got his grizzled five o'clock shadow.
Look, he's he's got his his nice leather jacket, his car is
all ready to go, He's got his his man's best friend next to him.
Does the dog ever have a name? Does he ever say the name
of the dog? Just dog? Okay? I thought dog was great and
just that look I remember way back when we did the man early days of
the podcast. So we did the fallout for review and Travis was mentioning just
like the certain attire that would remind him of like Mad Max in that in
that game, and of course you have like dog Meat, which is your
dog compatrion. So now I am seeing the similarities just in hindsight. But
that look I think is very iconic. And when I even though I hadn't
seen Mad Max's before we started this Red Show, I at least knew what
that imagery was of, like the the the Apocalypse and just the man in
the leathers with the double barrel shotgun and his dog. So here I feel
like, very like it has become iconic, but also just like back then,
I'm sure there is, but I just feel like the genre for post
blocked optic movies was not like massive right, so it was like no,
definitely starting in a territory to be starting to like carve its own legacy out
so absolutely, and I feel like this movie, it it gets rid of
some of the fluff that I thought maybe messied the story of the first movie.
It's as Taylor was saying, like it seems a lot more simple actually,
because it's not an origin story. It's just a guy needs gas and
like how does he get his gas? And then obviously there's things that happened
in between. But I just really liked how it started to It's just like
right in the middle of like an action sequence, it's the car chases.
I thought the car chasers were phenomenal in the first movie, and here again
like they just kind of up the ante. So I thought all that looked
really good, all the practical effects looked really good. Like there's just a
lot of zany crazy characters. Now I'm definitely seeing that it's like a reoccurring
thing throughout these movies. Obviously Fury Road has their own assortment of characters like
that. But yeah, I really quite enjoyed this one. I thought I
thought the action was top tier and I like that for the most part,
Like mel Gibson was kind of just a silent proteste, Like he definitely has
lines and everything, and it interacts with people, but there's a lot of
portions when he's really not saying anything. He's just kind of silently moving forward
throughout the movie and we're just there to watch him go on that adventure.
And it's really I thought that was a call for you in the first movie
because we talked about how like he's barely like he's just kind of like a
ghost. I think it was more of a con there because it's like an
origin for the character, and they throw in like the wife and the daughter
obviously, and he has like his co workers that like it seems like he
should be like interacting with those characters a lot more and just feeling us in
on, like I don't know, just just something to talk about with those
characters. But the fact that it's it's just him the dog and this crazy
gyrocopter pilot guy that is kind of just his prisoner, so I'm okay with
him not talking to him there. And it's also just knowing of like what
Max has gone through, like he lost his wife, lost his his child.
I mean, the narrator kind of recaps us at the start of this
film there, and it just it seems like a guy that he doesn't necessarily
have to say much anymore. I don't think I think he can really.
Oh my god, I forgot that she lived. Yeah, I still doubt
she lived. I think she lived like throughout the night and then they called
in the warning because I don't know she died instantly the next day. Yeah,
it's pretty still gruesome in like injuries and stuff. So yeah, but
yeah, I don't know. I just think maybe more the silent trait that
he had fits more in this movie for whatever reason. But yeah, it
was. It was fun doing this one, for sure. I'm just trying
to look at the years in between Savan Matter only two years. It's funny
because that's where like, you know, say whatever you want, because of
course there's times for mel Gibson's polishes or whatnot. But still like maybe not
the greatest person. So I'm talking just strictly acting and stuff. I just
feel like even in the two years, you can see like what a better
actor he's become. And I'm making this point where Kirkhlon's gone, oh no,
he's just down there. I think he's That's where I am agreeance where
he is almost completely signed again, I haven't the trivia. He only has
sixteen lines and two of the good thing was that, And he only has
sixteen lines and two of the lines are I'm just here for the gas.
So he really just has like fifteen. So I think it's just because with
the first movie, he's just playing like a blank slate, like this is
the guy before all the terrible shit happens soon, right, and now this
is the guy has like a chip on his shoulder, is a very like
small descriptor of what he actually is going on, right, but he just
what in the first one, where he just feels like this could be anybody,
This feels like, okay, this is some Mel Gibson, Mad Max
or going on right here. This feels like, okay, there's certain choices,
there's certain looks, there's certain moments. So I think that helps it
a lot where you're just more engaged with this character. And I love that
it sets him up very much as like a bat in the dark Knight,
where he's the road warrior. Right, you maybe see once and that's about
it. He's there. He disappears. Like my favorite shot. There's lots
of cool shots, but I think my favorite shot of the movie is that
very last shot where they're driving away from him and it's like becoming tonight and
it's smoking. He just kind of goes away and I like it. It's
like kind of an urban myth, right, And that's where it kind of
fits with Fury Road, where same thing, like he helps those people and
then he's out of there. Even though some people have that in Fury Role,
that's not Max and the kid is Tom Hardy's character. It's a whole
big theory about the movie. Yeah, the Faral Kid is actually Tom Hardy
in the in the Fury Road, I don't know if I subscribed that.
Yeah. I think as people say, like because Tom Hardy and like Mel
Gibson play him differently, Like I feel like this is like very they're all
very different versions. The first one's just like the do gooder cop, and
then two and three of them very much like the Badass, and then Tom
Hardy's version, which she'll get to is very just like kind of aloof almost
like Jack sparrow Ish at times. That's why I've seen people be like,
oh, this is a different guy. This as a kid. But so
overall, as I've said before, I've watched Fury Road a bunch of times,
but these ones are all kind of mixed between each other, even though
I think I remember one of the most because that was the first and I
think I probably see that the most times. So I think I I do
enjoy the movie, and I think again, I really enjoyed just from the
filmmaking aspect. I have some trivia, but this is one of these that
I'll say, to go out of your way and look at the Wikipedia,
or I'm to be the amount of crazy shit they are doing in this movie.
Again, man, there's stuff that they they would not be able to
get away with today at all, like you would. People's jobs would be
over. George Millersjo'll be over. But just like they're all for it and
not like bad stuff. It's just like, yeah, we're gonna take this
really high risk stuff. Like there's a fact that I have here where they
told the stunt guy not to eat the whole day because they thought the crash
was gonna go so bad he'd likely need surgery, so they want him to
make sure he didn't eat twelve hours before. That's the fucking that's the fucking
movie that we're gonna where you'll likely get really hurt, so don't eat.
That's where it's like, I'm impressed, but I'm also aware the same time
where we go, oh man, CGI sucks. I'll take CGI any day
over. I'm happy people didn't dine went up, but like that' shit you
can't be doing anymore. So I it's just like the first one they got
the they got the balls and hood spuff. So I appreciate from a filmmaking
standpoint, the budget still feels smaller, still feels like that grindhouse gorilla filmmaking,
but I just don't I was kind of waiting because it's been a while
since I so I was like, oh am, I gonna like maybe love
this movie, see what people are talking about, and I get why people
would love this movie. But I guess I'm not there yet. I don't
remember three good enough, so I feel like in the future Mad Max's I
might watch these again. But I feel like I'm still it's not almost serious
where all I gotta watch all four. It's like I think I'll still happily
just put on Fury Road a bunch and watch that. So I'm still not
at the point where I absolutely love this movie. I liked this more than
the first one, because I feel the first one's like twenty or seventy five
percent melodrama and then twenty five percent of those like wacky characters eyebulging, and
I like that sort of thing. This is the flip where it's seventy five
percent of the crazy kooky men in leather feathers, random stuff going on,
a couple having sex and middle of the desert and a blanket comes up and
you're just seeing titties everywhere and stuff where then it still is like in the
first fifty minutes, there's still like rape going on, right, so there's
still like dark things happening, which I think there's like a way to find
a bounce because it's funny because I think in maybe Maybe Fury Road is the
bounce, which we'll get into because I feel like it's almost too zany for
me where I do enjoy it, but it gets a little grading. But
I think the hour and half runtime is perfect because I actually think there's some
of these like, oh, it should be longer. I think it's like
the perfect amount because they already, man, how many times they go back
and forth that fucking just camp like it's much like the fear of road.
Everyone complains, will drive one way, they drive the other way, But
I just laugh how many times back to Okay, you'll never see me again?
Ten minutes later, Oh, welcome back, Max. Then it's like,
oh, you never see me again, and then he gets knocked out
a plane fix him up. Oh well, we don't need your help now,
Max. And it's the reason is I'm throwing all the trivia now.
But they use that location because that's what they deemed was gonna be less likely
to get rain, so they shot there as much as possible that area so
it didn't fuck out with They're set. So that's why I again, that's
why I appreciate the filmmaking behind this man. They really put their effort into
it. So I think it's one of these ones that fall into I appreciate
it. I do in like it, but I'm not dying to watch this
again, like I am like a feury row and thundered on. Like I
said, it's been a while, I can't comment on it. So yeah,
that's where I am where I like it, But I just don't think
I love the Mad Max movies like I was maybe not expecting to, but
kind of hoping to have this retrol because I hadn't returned to them in a
while. But overall, still a good time. And I definitely prefer this
to the first one, just because it's just I don't know the first one.
I feel like we said that the last time could be just like a
short film or half an hour, like here's the origin. There you go.
And I feel like they do a good job of they show origin,
they talk about it, but you still could watch this kind of by itself.
With this, it almost feels like a very anthology like Methods type of
story where it's just a riot of the night you bumped into him and he
helped out, then he went on his way, right because in the camp
the narrators is like and we never saw him ever again, So it's like
kind of works that way. So and you prefer this even like if you
if you thought you had to see the first movie, Like, I think
it does a good enough job at recapping all the main points. In the
first couple of minutes of this movie. Kin Woman just fucking plowed in the
first few minutes. Oh it's Max Like everything gone bad. So we're gonna
We're gonna start filming for the next GV movie, and you're gonna be like,
yeah, guys, don't eat for twelve hours before, and then I'm
gonna be really worried, especially depending on what to his stunts were doing there.
Yeah. Well, it's just so funny because when we're shooting some for
the third one recently with Connor, there was a situation where we were like,
I just don't think we can falls off safely, so we rewrote it,
and but these guys were like, Nah, They're let's just fucking do
it, you know. But uh, which I like me, I kind
of get because there's there's stuff that we did in a dreadachrom I feel like
where I wouldn't ask Connor because he's like someone helping us up. And I'm
like, yeah, I guess I'll roll down this hill with all the rocks
like we all did. We all went down a start of hills, So
yeah, there's the rock behind me. No, I know, you well,
don't roll that way. So yeah, we meet Max. He's just
kind of, you know, doing his thing on the road. He's looking
for fuel, particularly starting to get low. The main resource, it seems
in this post to podcast, very much just fuel for their vehicles, and
we've definitely shifted from in the First World. We talked about how it's like
it's the early stage of the apocalypse. It's like that early COVID where it's
okay, things are changing bad, but it's not fully bad. We're this
there's not like a bunch of buildings or towns, like there's just little palks
appeople. But it feels very much like not as much as what you get
in for your road. It's because there's not as much desert, but there's
desert with some grass. It feels much more okay, things have gone bad,
and it's just kind of you're just trying to find anywhere in the wild
to lock down and find a situation. And that's what happens where Max goes
through a few things where he meets this group of people who are kind of
being pushed out by a bigger organization of bikers and road or roasters whatever you
would call them drivers, I guess. And then we also meet U Tato's
favorite helicopter dude as well, kind of in the first act, so kind
of just we meet villains, heroes, side characters. So, yeah,
what are you guys thinking about? Kind of the opening of just starting and
not mean open seem just maybe acting one overall, just meeting all the players,
seeing where Max is. Like we said, he's much more grizzled,
costs a dog, all that good jazz. Yeah, we're gonna right to
the second act. Yea, let's move along, you know. I mean
I already mentioned that I quite like the opening of this movie, and just
for the first act in general, I liked how it mix is in just
the meeting of certain characters, as well as having some action in there.
You get a little bit more of just an insight into this harder version of
Max, where he feels like he has a lot less his remorse the right
word or sympathy for like other people. Like it's mostly just he wants his
goal. Like even when he helps out Buddy and any well, he doesn't
really help him out, but he goes to find that's where the lady was
crossbowt to the face after the rape scene, and then he's all like bleeding
out and then he's like, oh, thank god you came to save me.
He's like, I just need fuel, Like don't get your hopes up,
like I'll trade you for fuel. And that's kind of it, so
you just get a quick insight into kind of this version of Max and how
he is a lot more hard and grizzled. So overall I thought I thought
the first act was was good. It just that just showing us the new,
the new chess pieces at play, like they like the new the new
movie pieces, because it really does show everyone that's going to be involved in
this story in that first act and definitely a good setup for that. Yeah,
and just the environment and just how much fuel, like we talk about
just fuels very important around here, you know, mm hmm. Yeah.
I thought just the idea was cool to have this probably one of the last
oil refinery places just pumping this this gasoline out of the ground and just they
want to get it out of there. I think that was a cool concept.
And I think that the fact that they were lacking the means to pull
this this trailer tank out of there with their fuel. I just I like
the whole concept of it. I think it's cool, and just Max just
thinking of a way to get in and find his in with these people and
to get his his oil tanks full and then carry on his way. And
so with the introduction of this pie character who's just so quirky and like,
you're quick, but I got the brains. He's just super batshit wild at
the start, and then it just starts to transition into he's actually kind of
like an okayish guy and like he's just absolutely like god mode. He can't
be destroyed. He's got his fucking helicopter, and he leaves his helicopter,
but his snakes take the bad guys out. Like it's just there's some kooky
shit that this guy's on. And I really really liked his character. My
only flaw with him though, is the whole time overnight they should have been
giving him fire like gasoling grenades, and he should have just been dumping them
on them when they're sleeping overnight. It's just parked like the bad guys outside.
He could have been flying and just dousing them or like pouring gasoline or
whatnot, Like he could have been sucking them up good, I guess,
but I feel like you're gonna hear the plane, right, so I don't
think. Also, like how do you fly those at night? You know,
like a lot of times with like a helicopter flying at night, you
have instruments to kind of show you like your altitude and whatnot to start lighting
up that. I think when you start lighting up like fire and whatnot,
I think you could visually see it. But he did have a little dash
display. You could see you had some little gizze okay, gadgets on thet
Yeah. Yeah, just a quirky character who had real shit go at it
at first because he was Max's prisoner. And then that just turned around when
he comes in and he lands inside the the bass after and he's like eyeing
up the girl and he just wants to like sneak the girl out of there.
But we'll tell you about that later. Yeah, it's very much like
a Stockholm syndrome relationship because Max finds him and just kind of makes him his
bitch for at least half the movie, and then there's other then like just
throughout he'll be escaped, gone, and then Max will just come across him,
so very just like just dragging this fucking log behind him. Yeah.
I feel like it still probably happens a day, But I feel like that's
a classic eighties, nineties and early two thousands trope of big strong character gets
this piece of shit who a little questionable. But maybe you know has been
belt out the wrong cars, and yeah, he's a fun funny enough,
kooky enough character. You know, they give him these disgusting teeth, which
every time he just discuss this dude has a big smile. So I think
it was actually a great choice because every time his smiles just like just rot
right there. Right. But I think that's a good way to establish it
because even Max doesn't look good, but they're kind of making other not that
he's a hero, but other characters that do end up becoming good or are
good, they also look maybe not fucking leather and you know, feathers and
whatnot, but they're not. It's not like, oh, we're all pristine
and clean, and it's like everybody just looks like shit. Here. You
can't really judge the you know, if you're comparing Max to this fucking pilot
guy, he's looking like, yeah, I agree, Max is definitely better.
But even the people that they can't, like look at when we meet
the pharaoh kid, right, like, he looks like a fucking disaster,
Like who's taking care of this kid? Right? So I do like that
everybody because in the first movie, it's you have because it's before the apocalyas,
but you have the cops and then just people in regular clothes. But
then our bad guys are very comic bookie like characters. Right where this is
everybody has the same aesthetic because the world has changed. So I do appreciate
that. And uh yeah, it also seems like because the world is just
getting more wild, like there's not really a place for those well grown people
like you. You adapt and get crazy or you don't survive, because like
I'm sure those those individuals that were a lot more civilized probably were some of
the first to go by the marauders that were going around football pads is a
very common in this movie. Yeah, I'm not wearing occupads. I'm not
wearing football pads. And then so what happens is they, you know,
he comes up across these characters and they make a deal where hey, if
you help us out get this gasoline, you know. Uh, because I
guess, well, I guess we should just talk about the villains first,
because that's kind of an inciting incident where there's Max and where we talk about
their establishing the world. He gets interlinked with this I can't remember, does
this compound even have like a name where there are this village or whatnot.
I can, yeah, just say whatever this village is. So they are
giving this ultimatum and they're given, hey, you gotta leave. I think
it's you know, is it a day or two days whatever? They give
them some sort of timeline where you gotta get at here. We want oil,
want all this stuff, but we're gonna let you live. So I
the villains in this are interesting because you still have a lot of those tongue
wagon you know who hoot and hollering, just disgusting guys like they established early
on right, Like they rape a person, they try to kill the person,
they kill that person they rape, like they're all doing scummy, terrible
things. Again, I do, what the hell's the Jason voorh he's looking
motherfucker? What's his humongous? I do quite like him in the sense that
I still think there's like stuff left off. If I guess I didn't need
the movie to be long, because I think it is a perfect case.
But I think if you were to tell me, hey, if there has
to be something that you could make longer, what would it be? And
it would be humongous because I enjoy that he looks like he should be the
worst, and he's fucking jazz. He's out there with really no clothes on
hands, this fucking hockey mask on. He's very intimidating, but he doesn't
and if he does, yel of course, But he's not like the first
movie, right with that guy, like you can tell right away you can't
negotiate with him. But this guy, he's given them options. Now it's
a very one side negotiation of just say, hey, we're gonna come up
and fuck your shit. But I did like that. It wasn't just because
they could have just that day stormed the thing and started to recavoc right,
So I like that for some reason, whatever it is, this villain has
some sort of code of ethics. But the problem is, I think we
don't dive too much more in that. So there's interesting aspects laid down upon
it, but I'd like a little bit more. I like the voice choice
with it. I'm not sure if that's a voice. I didn't look into
it if it's the actual actor's voice or a different voice, because it doesn't
feel like it fits exactly. But I like the look in the character's vibe
because they shouldn't go together and they do so and even just I don't know,
just some sort of conversation. But that's not a big thing because I
don't think even more and Joe that doesn't have like Mad maxims sit down at
him and be like, hey, like let's talk about oil and why you
want it. But he was an intriguing villain. Nonetheless, I think I
prefer him more to the first one when Himongus was there giving them the ultimatum.
That wasn't the first time they made a move on this like refinery base
strait because Mad Max pops over the hill and sees them trying to attack it.
And this is where I kind of got confused, because I thought that
they actually owned this base. I didn't know that they were trying to attack
it. And so yeah, yeah, I thought when they drove off and
left and then they were chasing the other people and whatnot, thought like,
okay, maybe like is someone stealing the gas from them and they were getting
away, like then they're leaving the base like available, and now I don't
know, I just got it confused. I was so surprised that he was
taking this man that these marauders just like murdered essentially like to the Marauder Base
because I was with you, I thought it was the Marauder Base. I'm
like, what the fuck is his plan here? Like this makes no sense?
And then yeah, you see other people that are dressed in the same
guard It's like, Okay, I see what's going on now. But definitely,
uh, I understand the confusion in that moment. They definitely hated on
him at first though, I mean, he was the enemy. They thought
like, oh, what is this like trading human business? Trading humans or
whatever? Who thought he was though? The people dressed all in like the
white gear and everything. They thought Matt Max was, Yeah, the hooligans.
Right, Well, he's dressed like a leather like in leathers, right.
He definitely would have fit the card he could have. Yeah, And
I think also he doesn't have like the spandex going on or like the cutout,
but he looks very much like the villain's in the first movie to me,
where it's like they're all leather bikers, right, and that's where he
is. And I do like that aspect, and he's not a villain per
se, But at that point he's also not with them, like he would
be an antagonist to them because he's just trying to get to and from and
obviously he saves it. And that's the whole thing of Max, right,
Like he's trying to stay out of it, but he can't. He saves
one person and then try to save a village. And then even when they
say we don't want your help at all, your scum band, just please
leave, He's like, oh, you need someone to draw that tanker.
Like he's just like okay, he makes the move, But uh, what
do you think about the actual villains? Though not Max uh humongous. I
liked him actually he was. He was interesting and yeah, he wasn't just
total psychotic crazy. He had this sense of reason to him. Whether or
not you believe it or not, it remains to be seen, but there
was just there's something there. And I liked him as a villain and his
like henchman guy that had the ass list chaps. He was just such a
ray character because like, yeah, he was just I mean, Boomerang kids
just fucking annihilated his his love interest. I guess he had a take and
chain like totally just fucking took him out. And I think the guy trying
to jump his hands up and got his finger sliced off, which is fucking
funny. But yeah, this the this guy, he got upset about the
one that he lost, and so Hormongous just like chokes him out and he's
like it's okay, well at the revenge, but like chokes him out it
and tells the goons to like take them away, chain them up, and
like later on when they're chasing Max down the the highway and he's got like
Mungus has this guy chained up on the front of his vehicle and then like
they cut the chains off of him basically like yeah, your your free,
going like fuck them up. It's just just weird, very very weird.
But we'd battle tactics, very weird weird battle taxics for though, right if
you're fighting Humongous like unpredictable to say the least. A lot of the stuff
with the villains in here really did remind me of Mad Max Fury Road again,
Yeah, just with the truck, but just the way the villains are
coming after them and whatnot. And yeah, there's a lot that was just
making me think think of that. Yeah, I thought I thought Humongous was
a humongous lad. He was fucking shredded, and I really like the look
of like you have this just like Gladiator looking motherfucker with his with his physique,
like he looked tall. And then just whenever you have a character that
that like has a mask and then you can kind of see it's very similar
to actually Jason Vorhe's in that sense where like the hockey mask just just hides
this something behind it and it makes the individual look not human like, like
it's like a different entity. And definitely had that same effect because you see
like the back of his head multiple times and it just looks like burnt or
something. He's got like the little random baby gollum hairs popping up. But
like he talks like a like a well read individual. So it's just like
an interesting balance there where if you don't see him, you would think that
he is just this like regular Joe, but when you do see him,
it's like a fear factor and definitely imposing and massive, and Garner's respect from
his his lack. He's there, So I I liked him as the main
villain. But yeah, and then for the other characters, I thought they
were I thought they were good enough for for the troops of the Human yes,
yeah, what do you guys read over pretty quick? Which one?
Yeah, he has a very truck they have. That's the guy in the
first movie too, had kind of a pitiful end, right. Yeah,
it's kind of interesting that they don't because even I'm trying to think, I
feel like with the More and three, I figured, at least so do
I take it there? And even three, I feel like moren Joe gets
like a bigger send off. But it's funny because characters fight in these movies.
It's not like John Wick, but like they do fight. They're on
the ground, they getting little scuffles. But at least this one and the
next one, like sorry, the last one, this one, And I
think the way they kill more and Joe, if I'm recalling, is cool.
But it's like with a car and they pull a chain, like they
don't ever have Mad like Mad Max on the ground fighting a person, right,
And I get it right because it's like they're paying Like when you see
a Mad Max movie, you want the violence, the car, the car
damage, everything like that. I just wish the villain's got it was more
of a monoling model where they just kind of like pop up and Max hits
him and it's over for him. You know. I wish it was like,
Okay, down the road they have a car. I got a car,
let's go. I almost would prefer that the villain is on the hood
fighting Max and then something happens, right, Yeah, I agree with you.
One more thing with Jumongos too, I forgot is he just whips out
that fucking revolver with that that scope on there, and I'm just thinking,
man, that's that's definitely a load out building and call of duty, but
just the accuracy that he has with that fucking thing is just crazy. Oh
yeah, you remind me a joke. I liked, what the card?
What the hell? What the hell is the helicopter guy's actual name? I
might be here pull it up, but either way, that was a good
joke. When they're at the beginning when they are seeing everything go down and
Max has just the monocas and he has like the massive thing, and Max
just like just forces a trade, like doesn't even ask him, just like
yeah, no, come here, and just like it's almost like you're not
good enough to have. It's like some player that is like terrible in the
game, but they have like a pay to way in Max, like,
no, that that should be for you. So a good little comedic moment
there. But remind me of that World's End when Barbosa has his and then
Jack Sparrow has very much. So yeah, yeah, Humongous, Harley Nuye,
you know got taken out and uh oh that's what I'm saying that we
went off track in the trio. So I wanted to get your opinion on
this. Originally, Humongous was supposed to be Max's partner. Jim Goose from
the first film production decided against this, but let a few hints such as
the horrible burns bound in Humongous goalie mask, his raiders used police vehicles,
and his own use of a similar weapon to the MFP standard side arm.
So I hadn't watched I've seen the TRIVI after so whenever I do watch this
movie again, I am gonna watch it with the what if. And I
actually would have even if, like I said, maybe add a little bit
more to the end. I don't I him being really jacked. That would
have been something because like Jim Goose was like a good looking guy, but
he wasn't like this massive. But I wouldn't have mind that it kind of
tracks with like the he's violent, but he has a certain way. Yeah,
there's lots of leaps and bounds you have to get to like why is
he running this biker gang? But that's like something it's lost now. But
I feel like, even if you want to who humongous, I feel like
Jim Goose being a villain that I got sucked up by the Savage Wasteland and
now he's on the other side, like one of the biker gangs. Like
I think there's actually a good story to telling. But I think at this
point they weren't trying to do that. They were just trying to, you
know, a basic story, hero saves a day car violence. You know,
absolutely, I think that would uh, I think that would call for
a lot more dialogue actually in that version of the movie, not so much
like in the maybe the first two acts, but like especially in the third,
like if it is revealed near the end, and there's like a big
emotional just just just a big mix of emotions for Max dealing with like he
mourned for this guy and now here he is being the antagonist of this next
story. There's a lot of juice there, right, Yeah, absolutely,
there's a lot of juice to just squeeze out of that. I think it's
it's definitely a fun what if scenario, especially just as you laid out,
like the cop cars are are what the the individuals are writing and the burn
marks and all that stuff. But uh yeah, yeah, and then we
get to the fun well we kind of arekedalk about with the villain. But
yeah, this is where I found it funny. Where they make the deal.
He's mad at his word. They have seemed good enough for the I
can't remember the guy, but he's like the leader of the compound, the
good leader, and he's getting Max's face. Give the them the you know,
classic k you know you could be a hero. You're avoiding. Why
you doing that? There's a good person you know who cares if you lost
your family, but no, we've all lost people. This guy's already been
like injured, his leg is currently bleeding. Max decides to fucking still deck
him. So this poor guy, like, I feel so bad when he
falls the ground, he's holding his leg and his face. It's like this
guy's having a tough day. But he goes and they demand a Max like
I'm mad here, and then which is funny because like, if Humongous and
his crew would have just left Max alone, they probably would have won their
other battle, you know, but they had to like take Max out and
then he's almost dead to rights. The helicopter guy comes down and saves them.
But that's what I like, And that's where it was fine that that's
where you could feel the budget to me, were in a matter of ten
minutes, we like came to from like almost three to four times of you
know, well, we don't need your help and whatnot. And Max is
looking really fucked up at the end of his eye and everything. But yeah,
I appreciate that, and it's kind of it again, it's simple storytelling.
Why are you gonna help us? Well, you know, he's having
a good guy mode and you need the help right your down people they've already
lost a couple of people throughout this movie. So and like I said,
other than the villain, I thought the finale, I thought, actually the
whole third act was good of Max getting cut off, him getting you know,
flipped out. It almost was speaking of Jim Goose. Felt very similar
to Jim Goose when his car was flipped and they like had the oil and
stuff so it was almost like they were maybe intentionally trying to be like,
oh, look, this was gonna happen to him too. And then but
I think overall the third act is good, and I really like the scene
where they got the Faral kid and it's him Max, even though there's one
point where Max is they have him going down a hill and they're showing the
inside the car like rapidly shaking, and it's Tom Hardy holding a doll,
which is really funny. I'm not sure if he caught that, but so
also the kid wasn't getting hurt, but I like that whole sequence of he's
trying to reach the bullet. It felt very much like the first Indiana Jones,
where I don't even know which one came first, because this is eighty
eight, right, this one is eighty one? Wait one, so this
Jones probably came later, absolutely right. I feel like it was the first
one. I thought it was late seventies. Let's find out nineteen eighty four,
so let's tevile doom. No no, no, no, I'm wrong.
Hang on, I get that wikipeda here eighty one and this was why
eighty one. It's it's literally the same year because it's just it reminded me
of that when INDI's like back and forth in the cockpit with the driver and
they're fighting. It had that that feeling and there's trivia in there where the
shot was hard to pull. But I guess I just like that sequence in
movies when it's done well and shot well of driver versus man, obstacles on
the road, lots of good fun visual tricks. There's lots of wacky stuff
that I get because of the budget, but I don't enjoy the zoom ins
and then they like turn the speed times ten. I don't really enjoy that
too much. That kind of flights with my Brian a lit but a little
bit. But overall I enjoyed the third act in the climactic battles here,
No, I'm with you for sure, Like if I want to be nitpicky,
I feel like some of those things bother me minorly, but like overall,
I just always am so blown away. But like just how these scenes
look, knowing that like these were real, like real stun devils, real
cars, like real action going on, and it's just so fucking dangerous,
like what was going on? It is a miracle that nobody got seriously injured
or or killed, especially just knowing some of the trivia that you've been listening
off for us. So yeah, so watching it now, it's just like
man like the cinema cinema quality right here, like just no log trucks CGI
or anything like. It's it's all real high octane action and uh no,
definitely just for twelve hours too, you know it very much just makes it
feel I think, well, obviously more authentic, but also just a lot
more dangerous these scenes knowing that it like it is real things going on,
Like Taylor and I just reviewed Last Airbun Last airbend Or on Netflix and for
the most part, all like the CGI effects look good in there, but
there's still a lot of scenes when you can just tell that they're standing in
front of a green screen and it takes away that immersion. So the fact
that you don't have that anywhere around these movies is it boosts it for sure.
The thoughts on the third hand, oh yes, yes, you two
are correct or anything else? Great podcast, absolutely right. This is where
i feel like I'm gonna lot I lot this into the third act because I
feel like this is where Max kind of becomes a bit of an idiot where
he chooses just to take his gas and leave, and the moment he leaves,
they they're on him and they totally destroy his car. He gets fucked
up, he has to blow up his car, his dog gets killed.
This just totally turns to shit for him. And I don't know why he
thought that this was a good idea at all. Maybe he thought he had
the NOS and he could use it to his advantage. But their piece of
shit wagon that they had also had NOS, so that did not work.
I think he just didn't think they're gonna follow him. I think they he
just thought they were so focused. I ge't like the main prize in his
mind would have been the refinery, right, so he leaves that away.
Yeah that's what I thought, especially because it's like him slinking throughout the night.
So maybe he could have left a little later so I could get with
you on that one. But I still thought that I didn't think they're gonna
go after him. But I guess they had the intention just to kill Hi
when they were pissed off. But I thought they wouldn't leave the position so
they could give up anything, but they didn't. Well, I think this
is the fact too. He just he killed a bunch of people. He
smashed that got the truck in there, so obviously they're super mad at him.
So I don't know, Yeah, he just marked himself for death.
Yeah, just a bold, bold play. But all in all, I
think it was the third act though it's it was It was exciting, and
I liked how it had that story twist where the tanker was not actually full
of gasoline, and it kind of makes sense retroactively why their old leader,
even though he was injured while he wanted to take on that that task of
driving it and wasn't key on really letting Max do it. But then you
know, he's also at the same time, like you know what, fuck
you, Max, you left us you can drive this tanker. He's also
very banged up too. He's probably not in the best position to be very
banged up. Yeah, but then they for some reason, I let the
little boy go onto the tankers, like they just he's able to be you
know, he did his TV he took their guys figures and killed one guy
with that boomerang. You know, we get him on the boomerang, so
and I just like I need they kind of just let the kid do whatever,
because I take it as well he tried to get a kid off,
right, and then he took a fucking like tried into the fucking head Yeah,
I know, I mean just a group. Like in my head canon,
I don't even think that, oh the kid was there with the parents
and they die or something. I literally think they just like found this kid
along the way. Yeah, and the true Farrell like yeah, because they
don't. Yeah, they never treat him as a kid. They never worry
about and sometimes just feels like he's not even in the movie. I'm I'm
saying that a bad way. But he's just like slinking around the area,
like there's not much like, oh, we got a factor this kid in
the plan, so basically gall him, right, Yeah, he's just always
lurking. Yeah, I enjoy that as butt. And he's the narrator too,
right, So he becomes the leader of this group eventually, which is
crazy to think about. He obviously becomes domesticated, I guess if he's speaking.
But yeah, that boomerang to that lead anybody, you know, you
see that great symbol you know, for your trying to unify people, The
boomerang, like I would rally behind that banner the boomerang? Is that what
you picked? Boomerang? I don't know if I would pick it, but
I would rally behind it if if I don't have a leader to follow.
If I see a flag with boomerang, you're in the post apocalyptic like like
this world, and then this kid lifts up his boomerang, you're gonna stand
if it's bloody and I just saw him chop like a whole guy's hand off
and murder someone with it. Hell, yeah, I'm following this. You're
going with? Now? Would you fall him? Or would you fall me?
If I had like a real life replica of Aragorn's sword? Oh you
every every day of the week. Yeah, I kill you. It's got
an our seal for this, A big deal, just reforged. Now what
would you follow me? If it was the unreforced version. It can still
do some damage, but it's not. It's a good symbol, absolutely shop
Yeah, no more than a broken at him. I'll give you some of
the pieces. We'll build it again eventually. That's why Maxine's that fuel.
Condor has no king, condor needs no king. What about you, Taylor
here, you're the paral kid, you're growing up? What's what's your symbol
of Kirklands boomerang? Am. I don't know why you're give me boomerang.
I'm just saying that. I was saying. If the feral kid had the
boomerang, and I was in this world and I had no other place to
go, I would rally behind that guy. Let you ask, oh you
use Hell, yeah, you're like, I didn't hear that part. I
wouldn't use the boomerang. I don't think I've ever used one. Probably you
got to go to like what would be your your weapon? You know what?
In this day and age? A man though this day and age,
I want something like ignited on fire, and I feel like flamethrower. Well,
no flamethrowers, Hollywood. I mean, I think you're on the right
track with the sword. I'd probably go with like a catana, but have
it like soaked in gasoline all the time we're working at the refinery and just
light it on fire. I feel like that's not good, as the whole
world runs on gasoline, so you're kind of rate wasting it. You're constantly
going to be dripping gasoline in the desert from that sort well, I would
only you know, this is when I one on scout duty at the refinery.
So they're like Tato's out there scouting. He has his sword lathered in
oil rdy to fight. At any moment, it just pours all over himself.
So he like goes to ignite. Just fucking lights up. What happened
in the movie, right, the guy was lighting his little cocktail and the
fucking lights his hands on fire, and I mean weird because he gets people
killed. That vehicle was a fucking mess. He lit on fire. That
woman got on and I couldn't tell, like for a long time she was
a liary because she gets shot and she's like there for a bit and then
she falls down. She's like laying some barbed wire and I swear they go
to shot where your eyes are closed and then it's opened some like is she
alive? And then the guy was trying to pull her body. I'm like,
is she alive? Is she dead weight? I don't know, but
yeah, that you would not want to be in that vehicle if you're like,
hey, here's the bad Yeah, here's the ten vehicles, which when
you're picking not damn not the hand fire guy for sure, especially if you
got back into your next mission, like he didn't you let your hands on
fire. Yeah, fuck you, I'm not. I'm not getting your vehicle.
You can go alone. He didn't get to go on any missions.
He went with the girl too. They pulled the girl down and he fucking
tumbled down with her and then they run over like brutal too. It's bad
planning, really bad roster right there in that vehicle. So yeah, anything
else notes wise or specifically a show before I do some trivia that the when
faral boy was trying to get to the shotgun shell, I knew it was
coming, like it was just this. This scene was building up intensity and
there is like the heartbeat sound effect, and then yeah, this that fucking
assless chaps guy just lunches over the front of the the uh the truck.
So there's that and another thing too. This is earlier on after he has
his accident with a car explodes and the helicopter guy comes to get him.
Maybe it was just the version I was watching, but I'm pretty sure this
is just in the movie. But there's a weird filter effect. Yeah,
it's very like grainy slow motion like this story. And I was like man,
this hurts my eyes. What the fuck is going on his choice?
Because Max his eye was fucked up seeing the whole time he's on the road.
He's like, God, damn. I just found it funny that it's
like from his perspective, you just have fucking tief Sky coming in eaching down
and he's got his giant smile like Travis was mentioning earlier with his gross teeth.
Yeah, I was very sad with the dog. The dog died.
I was not expecting that at all. I feel like a lot of times
in these like apocalyptic type movies, I just feel like those type of characters,
like a worthy companion, like an animal like that just has like major
plot armor, like they're just invincible. But they fucking did it. They
marked them with the bon and arrow, and Max always gotta lose somebody,
right, you gotta put them through some ship. Yeah, he didn't get
like a new companion though, right Like at the last movie he got the
dog and then here he's just kind of alone with his with the vehicle.
Oh, he's just losing people. The next movie is gonna lose fucking helicopter.
Well, I guess they all left bike and they kind of like I
know, Pharaoh child sounds like he becomes the leader, but they also insinuate
too, like the helicopter guy is the leader for a little bit, because
like we came in after yah. Yeah, Like I also thought, because
I don't remember these movies, I thought he was fucking dead when that helicopter
crashed. It was like the way they shot it, just like bounce a
little bit and just driving down the road. Yeah, he's like, all
completely fine. Yeah, I guess I take it. As long as it
doesn't explode, you're alive. You know. I'm very bold of Max to
just let the dog control this guy's fate. But well, I guess the
gun wasn't loaded. We didn't know that. We didn't know that. I
mean, just so it's at the time, Yeah, I'm watching that,
I'm like, why can't Marco be trained that well, like fuck any little
moment, and like he doesn't want this guy to die because he's the only
one that knows where the refinery is, I guess amongst the two of them.
So in the moment, I'm just like, that's fucking bold. I
like how they showed like there's like a wild animal or something that they see
and then the guy like freaks out because normally, like a dog would just
react to that, but calm and cool, collected. And then speaking of
the ammunition too, I like how there is like an emphasis on just the
lack of ammunition in this world. Like it's not just they got fucking heavy
duty megs and all their weapons and it's just like call of duty and every
battle. Like, I like how there is an emphasis that every bullet kind
of matters, and uh like when he finds the shell, like he just
loads it with one because that's all he has, and a lot of people
are using bows and arrows, so that's pretty cool. So yeah, just
overall, I like the arsenal that people kind of use to their to their
arsenal. I don't know, no, I like it because it's just you
don't want to I think we've talked about that a little bit. In apes.
You can check out those are out where there's some near the end where
there's some battles, which we like. But then it's also like, Okay,
all these monkeys have guns and that's just almost a lot of big explosions
and shooting, which can be good, like that's fun to see, but
you almost lose a little bit of it where this it's like each care if
they have a different attack or something. It feels that, Okay, everyone's
dangerous. But also it has to be not so much a personal kill,
but it has to be more confrontational. I think you get more scenes out
of that. So no, I agree, because if you just had a
bunch of it would just be because that would be what would be. The
vehicles would beside each other and they would just be shooting each other, you
know, and then not as exciting. So definitely cool. Once twice Trivia
Time already talked about Mel Gibson's lines. Max's dog was safe from being euthanized
by the filmmakers. They were saved by filmers. Noted by the filmmakers.
The dog was saved from being euthanized by the filmmakers. I mean the filmmakers
are the one that saved them. Not that's wanted to be like no filmmakers.
One day before he was about to be put asleep, members of the
crew visit a shelter looking for a pet to cast for the film. He
was picked out from several other dogs due to picking him all up, rock
off the ground and playing a little toy. The crew members realized the dog
could have a real presence on the film and had potential to be trained.
Then we end up being the only credit for the dog. The dog using
film A simply named dog was obtained. Yeah, local blah blah. He
was oh because he the sound of the eruptions upset or sorry, my god,
I'm butchering this because the sound of the engines upset him. In one
instant, he caused him to relieve himself in the car. He was fitted
with special ear plugs. After filming was complete, he was adopted by one
of the camera operators. So that's good. They didn't tell the dog not
to Yeah, you're not coming back to the next movie. Yeah, you
read the script. You die in this one. That's pretty crazy because I
feel like most of the time, like I know, it's kind of a
lower budget film at the time, but just like usually there's like dog actors
and maybe that's just like a modern thing because they are just so well trained,
and this this dog looked very well trained, obviously holding the gun in
that one scene and even just like obeying Max and Sir moments and just like
charging. Now, you did say that they trained him, but still as
impressive. Yeah, it still was not like a puppy. Like between the
dog and between these accidents, I could have gone terrible and all this stuff.
George Miller making these movies had fucking horseshoes up his ass man like the
god on lawsuits. They found a fucking dog at a kill shelter and he's
like, this will do, and they trained it and it worked in the
movie. It's just like, what, Like that's not how it should work,
Like you could get this dog mech all those dogs out learning shit like,
but it's like it's hitting marks and stuff. It's like it's just fine.
Like I said, like he must have made a deal the devil to
make these films. But one of the stunts in the film in which was
the motorcycle riding Raiders, hits a car and flies off the bike. I'm
not sure if you remember that one where he hits it and he like does
like three or four like front flips. Let's seeing cart wheels into the air
towards the camera was actually a genuine and nearly fatal accident. The stuntman was
just supposed to fly over the car without hitting it. He survived but his
leg was badly broken. The moment looks so dramatic. It was kept on
films. So that's why, as I talked about with ce giant stuff,
that's why that looks so good because that one I had read before. I
saw the it again and I saw the hit and when he does it was
like, oh Jesus Christ, it's like, yeah, it's not like he's
landing on a map. He wasn't supposed to be flipping like that. They's
just a wrong hit and he went fucking flying. So luckily, you know
whatever, just a broken dog, Like just you're on set, you just
see him doing three flips in front of yours like like hold it, hold
the shot, keep rolling, keep rolling okay, and you need another dog
screaming. Yeah, one of the factors. Yeah, I already talked about
the They planned around the rain and stuff, so it was a good thing.
Production was shut down for over a week at one point, so I
dealt that. According to cinematographer Dean slow Ceimer, slimer, I don't know
similar who knows. The camera rig used to get a medium close up of
Max driving required him and the assistant cameraman to stand on a small platform mounted
on the driver's seat on the side of the car. They found out during
one sequences that they miss calculated the lift because whenever they went up or down
the hill, the platform would actually scrape the ground, setting out shower of
sparks. Initially alarming all involved, they just shrugged it off and kept shooting
about cutting. So they literally had a fucking like car. They built something
outside the car they're filming, and again with the horse shoes, they miss
calculated, so this was lower. So anytime they went up and down the
hill and they just kept going. So again, imagine that first till you
go down, this thing fucking breaks whatnot? Guy's fucking dead like could be
like over, but they just like people being driven over in the movie were
actually some of the YEA, make sure you use that cut in the film.
It's a good one, you know. Uh the tanker roll Uh oh
yeah, this was the one I was talking about. The tanker roll stunt
at the end of the chase was deemed so dangerous that the stunt driver was
not allowed to eat any food twelve hours before they shot, in likely event
that he could be rushed into surgery. What a fuck like? What is
like like like you said, if I ever sit you down by hey,
don't eat. We're doing a stunt tomorrow, you might you're it was this
was the quote, uh likely event, rush to surgery. I don't like
hearing the word likely surgery and rushed to surgery like likely and rushed are to
not things you want to be hearing. But and like where they're filming I
can't imagine is like fucking two blocks down from the hospital, Like it seems
like they're in the middle of but fuck nowhere, Like is there a helicopter?
Yeah, that guy the stunt from the movie. That's the first daid
mate. There wasn't there another another movie where there was doing like a stunt
and they actually told the person not to eat for twenty four hours their will.
I think, I think this is this That was like off script too.
It's just like filming it na Jesus Christ or never release this film though
that's a good one. I had no idea where you're going because I'm like,
what film knowledgist to him about to lay here like an inception mall jumping
god damn, oh geez, let's see. Contributing to cost production was the
most expensive set ever constructed for Australia film at the time. The Desert compound
was built in the desert of Broken Hill, New South Wales, Australia.
The production also boasted the largest explosion ever created for Australia film, which destroyed
the above set. So all genuine and they made the biggest set and they
made the biggest explosion for a bit. So I got that the director and
co writer co screenwriter George Miller was given rights to this and Mad Max three
to get him to step aside as the director of Contact. So I guess
he was directing Contact. I guess they didn't want him to as a contractual
thing. But like I feel like that stuff, I don't know other than
really independent filmmakers. I don't know the last time I've heard of a director
to a s getting rights to a sequel. I could understand my first one,
like they do Bad Max and he gets right. But like we've read
that last time. It's like most successful Australian film, you know, there's
at least an audience for it, right, So it's like the stuff that
was happening in the eighties and nineties. The fact that he has rights this,
like the way Hollywood is now. I don't think anyone's gonna rights to
anything. Like I'm trying to think of like who would have owned the rights
initially just the studio, Yeah, just a studio, or they would have
just yeah been because he probably you know, owned some of the script and
everything. But I'm trying to think, like what is a movie. I'm
just trying to think, like not an IP movie. What's the movie that
came out that got a sequel that wasn't an IP movie? Like Quiet Place.
I'd be like John Krasinski being like, I want the rights to Quiet
Place too. They would never fucking happen. They'd be like, that's what
You're not gonna have the rights to this film? Like, yeah, right,
happen with uh like Rambo? Right? Or is that a different scenario?
It did? And then I think with Rocky was similar but then still
on lost them at some point or he sold them or something like that.
So but yeah, that was a big thing back in the day and now
not so much. And finally it was renamed The Road Warrior North America because
at the time, the original Mad Max had only been released there on a
limited basis, So Mad Max two may have not made sense and confused the
viewers. So I kind of get that standpoint where big I sa Australian film
had a cult following. But if you just put Mad Max two and no
one's seen Mad Max one, they'll be like, what the fuck is this?
So and the road war just fucking badass title. Yeah, you know,
it makes sense that it was kind of hard for me to find this
movie because I was like searched up Road Warrior and or yeah, I think
I just did Road Warrior and I just had like Thunderdome and then the original
Mad Max. And then when I also searched up Mad Max two, like
it was just called Mad Max two, but then on like an image it
said Mad Max the road Warrior, and I was just confused. But I've
seen all three of those. It's like Mad Max two, Mad Max.
I think if I don't know if I've seen Max Max road Warrior, but
Mad Max two, Mad Max to the Road war or just the Road Warrior
in all different like venues and whatnot. So makes sense, and I think
it's probably I don't know, I still call it just I don't know what
I called. I think I just say Mad Max too. But World War
very cool, So Crookland found thoughts and rating. Yeah, I thought this
was a nice step up from that first film. Very much feels like just
like I don't know, I wanted to say peak mel Gibson, but it's
probably pretty early to be saying that for peak mil Gibson. Peak mil Gibson's
probably like Brave Heart era, and like how far away actually is Braveheart from?
I think his nineties, right nineties, Okay, I think so,
if not late eighties, that was like his Oscar movie, right, Yeah,
I think he won for I don't know if it's acting or directing or
bo I'll pull it up, but yeah, that's I would say that could
be peak. And then maybe mainstream peak might be like Lethal Weapon, because
I feel like people just fucking love those movies, like they love the dynamic.
But you're probably right like career peak, and I don't know, like
what will like off I was gonna say, what will he be known for?
Like I think we know some stuff he's known for, but yeah,
he won, God damn he won Best Picture Best Director for that one.
So but I wonder what, like when he passes, and like I said,
controversy said, like what are what he would be known for, Like
would it be Brave Heart, would we leave the weapon? Would be mad
Max? Like I feel like now because the Mad Max movies are more popular,
But I really don't know, I don't know what. Maybe it's just
so he's just know as like a multi tier actor because he had multiple franchises
and big films, right So yeah, no, absolutely, but just this
like early stage of his career when he's this strapping, handsome man with with
some charisma and a leather jacket and a little double barrel shotgun, Like,
I'm really glad that we're going through these just kind of experience it, and
this one I felt like was a much better display than what the first movie
was. And overall, like I just kind of like the simple motivation that
we had to do it. It was a nice contained story you kind of
threw around, like the anthology word earlier, and it definitely feels that way,
and I think I think it helps it honestly, because I I think
if like I could definitely just recommend this movie to a lot of people if
they've never even seen Mad Max, which is kind of rare in like a
like a movie franchise these days. They usually have a lot of ties to
the other ones. Well, not saying that this one doesn't to the first
or maybe the third. I haven't seen that, but yeah, it's not
like I must have watched yeah and yeah, just like the big explosions,
the practical effects, the fucking the stunt men that put their bodies on the
line to make this movie. I definitely definitely appreciate all of that and didn't
really talk about it, but I felt like there was some some nice score
moments too. In some of the action, it felt like an eighties like
action, like a song. I don't know if it's just like they have
a similar one in like all these movies, but it just felt like some
stuff that I had heard before. But it's still boosted the action in my
opinion, at multiple times. So yeah, overall, it was just it
was it was a great time watching this. I think if I had a
number rate it, I think like eight point five maybe like pretty pretty damn
high, not quite to the nine mark. I just think that the overall
like Marauder type characters, I don't like. I don't feast for them.
I'm not like I love me some Marauders, like they kind of get annoying
at the end of by the end of it for me personally, but like
I don't really want them to change because it fits like the pot like this
type of world that they set it up in. So yeah, I would
like the camera thunder much thunder doom and we'll get there. But you got
fear road and then clearly in Furiosa, Hemsworth is playing another like very over
the top scene chewry stuff like that I would love and like you said,
though, it's tough because it doesn't really fit with what they're going But I
would love just one movie of like an Anton Sugar type of film, like
someone that is just deadly serious and they're just out like almost the reverse road
Warrior, where how he is known as like the guy if you see him,
like he'll might help you. He's the do gooder, the almost reverse
like almost like the fucking wolf and put some boots like you see this guy
and it's death, You're you get goosebumps, your hair stand on the back
of your neck. Like I think that would work in this type of world.
And maybe you could have like an equivalent of like another like character of
villain that is very height and whatnot. But I would love to see a
character like an ant On Sugar or something. But again, like you said,
I feel like that's that's that's the vibe they like. They like the
very kookie villains, and you know it works. So just like an assassin
like in this world that's taking people out, I'm just gonna have you or
just say he's playing Anton Sugar. Just fucking just say no, he's just
playing the exact same character. Yeah, you're gonna watch that movie night Free
mel Gibson back. That's like they have like the Fury Road Fury ros Up.
And then there's also just like a fucking sidebar of Mad Max movies bringing
back the old cast. Or you do like a really meta thing where mel
Gibson plays the assassin like the Dark Warrior and it's like, you know,
like humongous where he's wearing a mask. Yeah, big body. I don't
know how Jack mel Gibson is shap. I don't know if he's manga shape,
but he's in shape. But there we go. We'll make that movie
one day. We got it. Kriklin, do you maybe you as well,
Travis, do you know that sounds like mel Gibson episode no, yes,
I do with the stem cells. I don't know about this. Oh
maybe that's a different one. I'm talking about the one where Cartman sees a
passion of the Christ and he wants to get a refund, so he goes,
no, actually have no, sorry, it's not carbon. Carmon loves
the movie and supports well Gibson. I think it's Stan that goes to get
a refund and goes to Mel Gibsons house and he's got like the Brave Heart
paint and he's just like he's just a freedom and they steal his money and
he like follows him back to South. That's sucking great. That's that's my
memory of Mel Gibson when when you said, like he'll pass, that's just
my picture because it's his actual face over the character like in the show.
Yeah, no, Michael Jackson episode, that's it, mister Jefferson, that's
a that's a classic blank. Yeah. Never. So this movie was definitely,
as I said before, better than I anticipated. I really enjoyed it.
I'm gonna go probably a nice eight out of ten. I definitely feel
like there's not where I could go like perfect, because there's some stuff that
pulls you out, like when he opens that truck door and you see that
dummy just fall out of the truck. Oh my god with the googly eyes.
Yeah, googly eyes. I saw that. I'm like, fuck,
we could make this, Yeah we could. So's There's a few other quirky
little things in there that just kind of like pulled me out of it.
But overall, I had a lot more fun with it than I was expecting.
I liked it more in the first one, and I think that this
is just this is my kind of like a really good Mad Max story that
I really really like, and I like that it it reflects in certain lights
to what the mad Max Fury Road movie is a Tom Hardy I like that.
I like that, and I can't wait to get to that one because
I'm really I'm really looking forward to it after kind of being immersed more in
this world. So yeah, we should want to reverse because I'm a seven,
I'm the lowest. But till like I said, I think the seven
for me is as I've said before, seven are usually ones I'll watch a
bunch, and I did say, hey, I won't probably watch just a
bunch over a bunch of It's not a movie where I'll be, oh,
I'm just gonna put that on. But it's more just again because some of
the craftsmanship and just the work that they did do. And again, yeah,
I shot out all that crew and whatnot. But yeah, definitely,
maybe I gave the first one a seven as well. I feel like that's
kind of where they are except for Fearal, but we'll see, and who
knows what fear Els was. I'm very curious to when we see that and
everything. But yeah, that's where I am enjoyed it. I will probably
watch this movie again one day, but it uh have to be in assurd
mood and honestly, the I think I'm more inclined to go back and watch
this where I do feel like even if they have the same score the first
one. So maybe actually I'll bumble a little high. I'll go seven point
five because I think I gave the first one seven. I don't know if
I'll ever go back and watch the first one. You know, I appreciate
it for what it was. We talked about lots of great filmmaking stuff as
firsts, just like man, you guys challenge yourself, but this one at
least has just more enjoy and I think that's not just because all the wife
and kids eye stuff. It's just some of the ways it's done and the
pace in that first one, where this one it doesn't also feel like Our
and half. It goes by pretty fast. It is a short movie.
But yeah, that's where Move seven point five enjoyed it because I for Thunderdome
because, like I said, I think I remember that one the least,
because I always remember man Max one, because the first one, Road Warrior,
because I feel like that was the one that everyone's like, oh,
that's the best one, dude, That's that's the whole series before Fear Road
came out and Fear Road's most recent. I feel like Thunderdome is one that
I've seen like once and then like pieces of on TBS over the years and
stuff. I just remember Melcops has like a fucking long ass hair wig or
something like that for a little bit. So yeah, we'll be going beyond
the Thunderdome next time, and I promise you it'll not be boring. Goodbye.