WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:02.480 I don't know what the solution is yet, but I think there's a solution. 2 00:00:03.200 --> 00:00:09.160 Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can 3 00:00:09.240 --> 00:00:16.600 do for your country. Mister Garbahaw, tear down this wall. It's the 4 00:00:16.679 --> 00:00:20.640 Ricochet Podcast. Peter Robinson and rob Laws they're together in New York. I'm 5 00:00:20.719 --> 00:00:24.160 James LLWX here in Minneapolis. We've got to talk to Andy McCarthy about Trump's 6 00:00:24.359 --> 00:00:28.879 trial and more so, let's eversos a podcast. But this is a rib 7 00:00:29.000 --> 00:00:32.200 that should never happender should have been thrown out a long time. If you 8 00:00:32.320 --> 00:00:38.399 look at it, Johnathan, Jery, Andy Pause, all great legal scholars. 9 00:00:39.159 --> 00:00:42.039 It is not the one that we've been able to said he should be 10 00:00:42.039 --> 00:00:46.640 a trial. America is a nation that can be defined in a single word. 11 00:00:47.759 --> 00:00:52.439 I was gonna put him in put excuse music. Welcome everybody. This 12 00:00:52.640 --> 00:00:56.600 is the Ricochet Podcast, number six hundred and eighty eight. As a matter 13 00:00:56.600 --> 00:01:00.439 of fact, I'm James Lelex in Minneapolis. Or it's gold again and knowing 14 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:06.280 rob Long and Peter Robinson are together in New York now. Peter Robinson in 15 00:01:06.319 --> 00:01:08.959 New York is just is one of those movies i'd like to see, you 16 00:01:10.040 --> 00:01:12.799 know, as he wonders around, full of California optimism, looking up at 17 00:01:12.799 --> 00:01:18.079 the tall buildings in twenty stories. That is exactly how That's exactly right. 18 00:01:18.280 --> 00:01:21.400 That's what I would like to think. So Rob, you, the cynical 19 00:01:21.439 --> 00:01:26.760 Gotham Dennison, you know, Van, you though you are. You've taken 20 00:01:26.760 --> 00:01:29.719 Peter around to show them the science Statue of Liberty, top of the Empire 21 00:01:29.799 --> 00:01:33.760 State the rest of it Storm Club twenty one exactly. It's been like one 22 00:01:33.799 --> 00:01:37.599 of those some montages with the with the you know when Peter looking up at 23 00:01:37.640 --> 00:01:42.719 the big all the lights of Times Square like that's what it's been. Well, 24 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:45.079 that's American in Paris. So I would you know, have to have 25 00:01:45.760 --> 00:01:48.239 up on the batteries down. How's there we go? There we go, 26 00:01:48.680 --> 00:01:51.640 gentlemen. There's so much to talk about today. We can we can go 27 00:01:51.760 --> 00:01:56.959 over the the AI generated woke bought musings of NPR's new host. We can 28 00:01:57.040 --> 00:02:00.359 talk about the fact that Google finally found a spine and fired some people for 29 00:02:00.400 --> 00:02:06.959 doing something or that that have been arrests in Colombia over a pro Palestinian an 30 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:10.599 astonishing moment. Yes, and people would look at this and say the tide 31 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:14.240 is turning. On the other hand, I saw on Twitter the other day, 32 00:02:14.479 --> 00:02:19.039 granted Twitter and granted a lot of people, but they were shouting hands 33 00:02:19.039 --> 00:02:22.840 off Iran. Upon hearing that Iran had launched an attack on Israel, they 34 00:02:22.879 --> 00:02:24.479 said, well, don't you retaliate now? Don't don't you don't, don't 35 00:02:24.479 --> 00:02:28.759 don't you do that? Well, we have the retaliation now. And perhaps 36 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:34.039 rather than thinking and talking blathering about what the college students are doing, this 37 00:02:34.120 --> 00:02:38.039 seems to be a more consequence as real struck. Iran hit a military base. 38 00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:42.919 The place where they hit happens, by some odd coincidence, to be 39 00:02:42.960 --> 00:02:46.360 the home or one of the homes of the nuclear and conventional missile programs that 40 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:52.280 Iran has. Is this a proportional response? Is it time to stand down 41 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:57.599 now? Message sent. I don't know the details, because all of this 42 00:02:57.759 --> 00:03:01.319 was starting to break last night. I looked at my computer just after taking 43 00:03:01.360 --> 00:03:06.599 my ambient which I always take to get three times on. So there I 44 00:03:06.639 --> 00:03:09.759 was reading about the destruction the beginnings of World War three o'clock and I fell 45 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:15.080 sound asleep. And for the traveler that I am getting down here to Greenwich 46 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:19.319 Village to see Rob meant that I didn't look at the news today astonishingly enough. 47 00:03:19.360 --> 00:03:23.080 So I don't know the details. My general sense of it is I 48 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:31.360 do not understand how Israel could have permitted Iran to attack with more than three 49 00:03:31.479 --> 00:03:37.840 hundred armed drones and ballistic missiles. Even if they knock them out of the 50 00:03:37.879 --> 00:03:43.879 air, Iran still attacked, engaged in a massive attack against Israel. I 51 00:03:43.879 --> 00:03:50.840 do not see how any nation but Israel above all, could fail to respond 52 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:55.639 in some pretty direct, pretty forceful manner. So it feels to me as 53 00:03:55.639 --> 00:04:00.560 though something necessary has happened proportion What will happen next, That's all. I 54 00:04:00.599 --> 00:04:05.599 don't know that Rob. Maybe a you know, a regimeed decapitation was considered 55 00:04:05.639 --> 00:04:11.360 but waved off by Joe Biden, fresh from telling the Israel not to attack 56 00:04:11.400 --> 00:04:15.479 Haifa. He may have put his thumb on the scale here too. He 57 00:04:15.520 --> 00:04:17.319 may have said to them, don't and found though you know, the one 58 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:21.319 nation on earth that actually listens to him. Do you think this was enough? 59 00:04:21.480 --> 00:04:25.319 Or do you think this is as we've been doing since nineteen seventy nine, 60 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:30.360 kicking the can down the road? Well? I mean yes and no. 61 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:33.959 I mean the beauty of the system right now, or the situation we're 62 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:36.720 in, which is kind of a disaster, but it's also the product of 63 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:42.120 a strategy, right. Israeli strategy has been the past ten to fifteen twenty 64 00:04:42.199 --> 00:04:46.360 years, and it's been effective, has been to isolate Hamas, drive them 65 00:04:46.439 --> 00:04:55.319 into Iran, to create one unified enemy under the Iranian umbrella because and then 66 00:04:55.839 --> 00:05:02.560 to sort of make piecemeal, small boar probably ultimately trivial, but still significant 67 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:09.920 peace with the big Arab neighbors that were traditionally enemies, so not just Egypt, 68 00:05:09.959 --> 00:05:15.240 but Saudi Arabia and Jordan places like that. So bombing and the people 69 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:19.000 who really misunderstood this new dynamic has been Iran. Because there's nobody protesting the 70 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:24.079 bombing of Iran except in American universities. Iran has no allies in the region, 71 00:05:24.199 --> 00:05:27.959 Saudis don't care, and the King of Jordan Is especially doesn't care. 72 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:33.399 And so it isn't so much that the trouble for those countries isn't so much 73 00:05:33.439 --> 00:05:41.519 that Israel attacked Iran or responded. It's that Israel was tacitly allowed and maybe 74 00:05:41.519 --> 00:05:46.439 even encouraged privately to do so by its former enemies Saudi Arabia and and and 75 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:51.120 Jordan. And this is the product of a very very long game of chess 76 00:05:51.160 --> 00:05:54.279 the Israeli has been playing, and I think they've been playing really well. 77 00:05:54.399 --> 00:05:58.240 That doesn't mean having is perfect. Obviously, the minute you isolate Hamas and 78 00:05:58.279 --> 00:06:00.000 you drive them into desperation, they do something spirit like they did in October 79 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:03.279 seventh. So you know, you don't get what you want in life. 80 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:12.360 But the big miscalculation isn't Netanyahu here, and it isn't Saudi Arabia. It's 81 00:06:12.720 --> 00:06:15.800 Haamas and Iran. And I wouldn't want to be them right now because there's 82 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:21.120 nobody they can call except maybe Putin. So now we have you know, 83 00:06:21.160 --> 00:06:27.959 the chess game has isolated the bad actors into one group. The weird thing 84 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:30.399 that always talking about, of course, is the Putin problem, because that's 85 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:32.399 the Putin problem for Israel because Netan Yahoo, for all the things people love 86 00:06:32.439 --> 00:06:36.680 about him, he has been a Putent apologist for years. There's an entirely 87 00:06:36.759 --> 00:06:42.040 too much connection between his party, the government of Israel, and Russia, 88 00:06:44.399 --> 00:06:48.279 especially technologically, especially in technological issues that are you know, some companies that 89 00:06:48.279 --> 00:06:56.680 were starting in Israel are now owned by Russians. Not so great. Declining 90 00:06:56.720 --> 00:07:00.480 to mention some of them, because some of them have been past Africas. 91 00:07:01.319 --> 00:07:03.639 So there's like a lot of chickens coming out of roost. But I don't 92 00:07:03.639 --> 00:07:09.920 see how they had a choice. But I also don't think that I also 93 00:07:09.959 --> 00:07:12.639 don't think it was that much risk, because they have been mitigating the risk 94 00:07:13.000 --> 00:07:16.720 privately, quietly for the past twenty years. A lot turns on intelligence, 95 00:07:16.759 --> 00:07:20.720 and of course the Israelis know a great deal more than Little Robinson does. 96 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:25.680 But I see that Andy McCarthy, whom I'm always tempted to call the Great 97 00:07:25.720 --> 00:07:30.639 Andy McCarthy, has changed, that has joined us and has joined us, 98 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:35.199 and I want to ask him the following question. So it's clear that the 99 00:07:35.279 --> 00:07:43.319 response to the Iranian attack would have been unthinkable just a decade ago. The 100 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:50.199 Israelis have the Iron Dome, that anti ballistic missile system worked. Americans participated 101 00:07:50.480 --> 00:07:54.879 in the defense of Israel, knocking missiles out of the sky. So did 102 00:07:54.879 --> 00:08:01.720 the British, But so did Jordan, and so did, according to at 103 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:07.279 least some reports, so did Saudi Arabia. Unthinkable a decade ago. So 104 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:11.959 now Israel is able to coordinate. Now, let me put it in another 105 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:18.759 way. Now Jordan and Saudi Arabia are participating in the defense of the state 106 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:24.240 of Israel, and an Iranian attack fails completely. I am hoping, and 107 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:28.240 this is the question for Andy, that the Israelis were not just engaging in 108 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:33.240 a kind of necessary tit for tat. They couldn't permit the Iranian attack to 109 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:37.360 go unanswered. I'm hoping there's also a strategic opportunity there. They sense real 110 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:41.960 weakness. They're getting intelligence from the ground in Tehran that the Iranian population is 111 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:48.960 that regime's entire legitimacy rests on pure raw strength. If they no longer look 112 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:54.759 strong, I would like to hope there will be moves against them. Andy, 113 00:08:54.759 --> 00:08:58.279 what do you make of that notion? Hold on here? We have 114 00:08:58.320 --> 00:09:01.240 informally introduced him and not here. I'm sorry, No, he is here, 115 00:09:01.279 --> 00:09:07.919 but we must we must respect gate format and now were welcome to the 116 00:09:07.919 --> 00:09:11.639 podcast. Annie McCarthy, senior Fellow of the National Review Institute, contributing editor 117 00:09:11.679 --> 00:09:16.000 there as well as Fox News. Andy, welcome. Do you remember what 118 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:20.039 Peter's question was? Go? I sure too, It's the It's the question 119 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:24.679 we've been working on for thirty years, right, yeah or more? Yes? 120 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:28.759 Uh, you know, Look, I think the deck has been reshuffled 121 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:37.960 in a very interesting way. For I think it better part of a decade. 122 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:43.960 It really goes back to the to the Arab Spring, so longer than 123 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:48.559 that. But there's a lot of there's a lot of tumult here and I 124 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:54.080 don't know whether we know yet how it will all shake out. I do 125 00:09:54.200 --> 00:10:00.759 agree that anything that shows the UH the internal weakness of the gime in Iran 126 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:11.600 is a very good development. I also think that the for all the hullabaloo 127 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:16.240 about Kashogi, which I think was not covered in a way that completely conveyed 128 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:24.759 how that incident fit into the the shifting dynamics UH in the region. To 129 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:31.039 me, the biggest, one of the biggest positive developments over the last decade 130 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:39.480 plus has been this this breakup between the Saudis and the Muslim Brotherhood, which 131 00:10:39.519 --> 00:10:48.759 in in many ways UH has allowed this situation where the Saudi's, without saying 132 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:54.840 so out loud as much as we'd like to have, have been drawn into 133 00:10:54.840 --> 00:10:58.440 a kind of a tacit alliance with the Israelis. Part of that is the 134 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:03.399 breakup with the Brotherhood and the stuff that came out of the the Arab Spring, 135 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:09.519 and some of it a lot of it is the way Obama's policy shift 136 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:18.240 and this insane idea of like putting distance between us and our allies in Israel 137 00:11:18.279 --> 00:11:22.960 and our traditional at least to call them allies I think over states, but 138 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:31.399 the governments that were the Sunni governments that were traditionally friendly to an extent toward 139 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:37.039 the United States, to put distance between us and them and empower or Ran 140 00:11:37.240 --> 00:11:43.159 so that it became more of a closer to a potential regional hedgemon. I 141 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:50.360 think was a nutty, reckless idea and that has that has done wild risk. 142 00:11:50.440 --> 00:11:54.039 At the minimum, it was a wild risk, yeah, but hasn't 143 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:58.320 worked out well. It has, It has worked out, but not the 144 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:05.320 way, not the way intended I think in it, when the dust settles, 145 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:11.120 the region may turn out to be more stable for us, but the 146 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:15.360 dust hasn't settled. James, your job now is to segue from Iran to 147 00:12:15.440 --> 00:12:18.279 a courtroom in New York. I will do so. You know, there's 148 00:12:18.279 --> 00:12:20.120 a lot of people out there who are going to vote for Trump to matter 149 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:24.480 what. There's a lot of people out there who are who are have shrugged 150 00:12:24.519 --> 00:12:28.240 off the legal maneuverings because they're bored with that. They're tired with it. 151 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:30.840 They can't figure it out, or they have figured it out, and they 152 00:12:30.840 --> 00:12:33.519 don't believe that it's anything other than a star cord and political prosecution. And 153 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:37.759 it's based on zip it's based on animus, it's based on Adams coming up 154 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:43.240 with we got to do something. I could not have predicted this, actually, 155 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:46.080 but my whole view on the election has shifted over the last two or 156 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:50.559 three months. The impact of these court cases is I think, becoming white 157 00:12:50.600 --> 00:12:54.039 noise to a lot of people. So bring us through what we got today. 158 00:12:54.159 --> 00:12:58.759 We got a judge who did something based on something that happened before, 159 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:05.559 and there's Stormy Daniels in there and don't know why and Cohen and the rest 160 00:13:05.600 --> 00:13:09.480 of us sum it all up for us and tell us A what you think 161 00:13:09.519 --> 00:13:13.519 is coming up next? And b your evaluation of whether or not it counts 162 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:20.159 matters. I think it matters. What is the what is the it? 163 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:22.200 Though? We got to get the expert as you are on porn stars, 164 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:30.000 Andy, tell us what tell us the latest? Judge la Playboy Models. 165 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:35.120 I can address it porn So I don't know, Judge. Uh so, 166 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:41.200 Judge, I think like the thirty thousand foot view of this is that the 167 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:48.039 people who engineered the law Fair campaign, the upshot of which are the effect 168 00:13:48.039 --> 00:13:50.279 on the election, of which we can't really at this point assess, but 169 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:56.000 we I do agree that it's it is becoming a lot of white noise to 170 00:13:56.120 --> 00:14:01.639 a lot of people. But I think they're nightmare scenario is to have Bragg's 171 00:14:01.639 --> 00:14:09.519 case go first, because Bragg's case is like a dog's breakfast of a case. 172 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:20.080 Whereas I think the over ambition of Jack Smith prevented them from taking their 173 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:24.279 best shot at Trump in a timely way on a serious case, which would 174 00:14:24.279 --> 00:14:28.759 have been to pair the Florida case down to an obstruction case against Trump. 175 00:14:30.519 --> 00:14:33.879 Instead. You know, they all have stars in their eyes, these guys, 176 00:14:33.879 --> 00:14:37.120 and they overdo it. So you know, Smith decided he had to 177 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:45.159 bring thirty two classified felony counts, you know, classified documents, felony counts. 178 00:14:45.720 --> 00:14:50.200 And you know a number of us said at the beginning of all that, 179 00:14:50.279 --> 00:14:54.360 and I have the scars to prove this one. If you get yourself 180 00:14:54.360 --> 00:15:00.120 involved in a litigation over the Classified Information Procedures Act, where you basically have 181 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:05.960 to have a pre trial trial of the trial and show the admissibility of every 182 00:15:05.320 --> 00:15:09.600 classified document and have arguments with the government about what gets revealed in court and 183 00:15:09.639 --> 00:15:13.639 what doesn't. That takes a very long time, even if people are trying 184 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:18.080 hard to get the case to trial. I think that he could have done 185 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:20.960 away with all of that by just making it an obstruction case, and he 186 00:15:22.039 --> 00:15:26.360 might have actually gotten to trial on that. But of course that didn't happen. 187 00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:33.720 The Washington case was bound to be delayed by appellet litigation because of the 188 00:15:33.799 --> 00:15:39.120 immunity issue. Even if Smith thought he was on solid ground on the immunity 189 00:15:39.159 --> 00:15:41.559 issue, and I think he probably will win that at the Supreme Court, 190 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:46.240 he may not get the sweeping, complete win that he wants, and I 191 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:50.480 could see a resolution by the court that could further slow that case down. 192 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:54.919 But I'm just saying in terms of timing. And the reason we're talking about 193 00:15:54.960 --> 00:16:00.120 timing, by the way, is because all these guys improperly tried to orchestrate 194 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:06.000 this so that this all became trials during the election year, which is the 195 00:16:06.039 --> 00:16:08.879 thing the Justice Department manual tells prosecutors did not allowed to do, but they 196 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:14.440 did it anyway. But if you're Smith and you're trying to orchestrate this, 197 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:18.919 you have to know that you're going to be an impellate litigation over immunity because 198 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:22.240 it's one of the few issues that you're allowed to appeal pre trial. And 199 00:16:22.279 --> 00:16:26.639 what Trump, even if Trump didn't think that he had much of a chance 200 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:30.080 on immunity, what he wanted here was delay. He's trying to push everything 201 00:16:30.120 --> 00:16:33.279 beyond election day. It doesn't matter whether he wins the immunity I mean, 202 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:38.440 obviously he'd love to win the immunity issue, but more important for him in 203 00:16:38.519 --> 00:16:42.679 terms of what he really could accomplish here was delay. And he's delayed it 204 00:16:42.919 --> 00:16:48.559 so much that it may be that that case never gets to trial, at 205 00:16:48.679 --> 00:16:56.360 least prior to election day. So what they're stuck with. I think I 206 00:16:56.399 --> 00:17:00.679 haven't even addressed to the circus down in Atlanta because that we don't know what's 207 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:03.480 going to happen with that case. That's also going to be caught up in 208 00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:11.160 a pellet litigation. So the case that we thought was gone away was Bragg's 209 00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:15.279 case because Brag and when you look at Bragg's case, you shouldn't be surprised 210 00:17:15.279 --> 00:17:19.359 by this. Bragg said that he was happy to defer to the federal prosecutors. 211 00:17:19.880 --> 00:17:22.720 So the idea was that Jack Smith was going to get to the front 212 00:17:22.759 --> 00:17:27.920 of the line and try the J six case in March, and of course 213 00:17:27.960 --> 00:17:34.720 that got derailed. So now Bragg is back and this case hasn't gotten any 214 00:17:34.759 --> 00:17:41.079 better. So where we're at now is they have picked a jury much more 215 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:47.799 quickly than not only then most people thought, including me, but certainly more 216 00:17:47.839 --> 00:17:52.279 quickly than it looked like was going to happen as late as Monday afternoon when 217 00:17:52.319 --> 00:17:59.359 I was hearing from people who were connected to both sides, but mainly the 218 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:03.680 Trump side, that they were not. They were thinking the opening statements wouldn't 219 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:07.160 be until May second, that it was going to take that long to pick 220 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:11.279 a jury. And you know, they miscalculated on a bunch of things, 221 00:18:11.279 --> 00:18:15.319 including I think they thought that they were getting the Jewish holidays off next week, 222 00:18:15.400 --> 00:18:18.160 so the trial is only going to sit two days, and the whole 223 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:23.519 thing was kind of bogging down. I'm not a fan of Judge march On 224 00:18:23.839 --> 00:18:30.079 by any stretch, but I think he's run a very efficient jury selection. 225 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:34.279 They've had some bumps, but you get that in jury selection that's just I 226 00:18:34.319 --> 00:18:40.119 mean, that's just a function of you know, the legal system crashing into 227 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:45.279 the real world, which is the kind of the most fun part about jury 228 00:18:45.279 --> 00:18:49.000 selection. But they've been very efficient and he's got you know, he's they're 229 00:18:49.039 --> 00:18:52.039 going to be able to start this trial on Monday. It's a terrible trial, 230 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:56.720 but they will be able to get it started. So Andy on the 231 00:18:56.839 --> 00:19:02.200 if I may, on the jury question, John, you said something on 232 00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:04.119 Fox News earlier, I think this very week, it may have been Monday 233 00:19:04.160 --> 00:19:11.519 or Tuesday, that roughly fifty percent of the potential jurors were standing up in 234 00:19:11.559 --> 00:19:14.000 court and saying, oh, no, I already have an opinion about this 235 00:19:14.079 --> 00:19:17.720 man. And John said that I had never seen anything like that. We're 236 00:19:17.799 --> 00:19:22.240 half of the jury pool essentially. Disc Maybe I misunderstood John, But how 237 00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:26.359 do you go from how do you go from that to seating a jury in 238 00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:30.920 a week? See? The thing, Peter is that it doesn't matter, 239 00:19:30.960 --> 00:19:36.880 if it doesn't necessarily matter, if you have an opinion about the person, 240 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:41.119 and it doesn't you know, I've had a couple of these cases. For 241 00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:45.920 example, the when we tried the blind Shake. You know, back in 242 00:19:45.960 --> 00:19:48.720 those days, he was a pretty notorious character and everybody had an opinion about 243 00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:52.240 him. He tried to blow up the world towers so yeah, he was 244 00:19:52.279 --> 00:19:56.799 notorious, all right, right, and we tried the case six blocks away 245 00:19:56.799 --> 00:19:59.640 from the World Trade Center, you know, I mean so right in the 246 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:03.319 to the eye of the storm. And the thing is, you don't want 247 00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:08.759 like if somebody came into two jury selection and said the World Trade said it 248 00:20:08.799 --> 00:20:14.400 was well, hadn't heard that. You don't want people who are living under 249 00:20:14.440 --> 00:20:18.960 a rock on your jury, you know, because they're weird people. And 250 00:20:18.039 --> 00:20:22.759 it's the thing is not so much whether people have an opinion like nobody likes 251 00:20:22.880 --> 00:20:30.400 terrorists. What you're trying to sort through is do people can people convince you 252 00:20:30.920 --> 00:20:36.720 that no matter what their baggage is, they're capable of putting it aside and 253 00:20:36.759 --> 00:20:40.599 deciding the case solely on the evidence that they hear in the courtroom and the 254 00:20:41.519 --> 00:20:45.839 different church. Right, So you have now, of course, you have 255 00:20:45.920 --> 00:20:52.039 to worry about political animus. And it's true that you know, Manhattan is 256 00:20:52.079 --> 00:20:59.000 not great for Trump obviously. On the other hand, now that let me 257 00:20:59.039 --> 00:21:02.960 cop to this. I have tried a case in over twenty years, but 258 00:21:03.079 --> 00:21:11.200 I liked Manhattan juries to be honest, to be fair about it. We 259 00:21:11.200 --> 00:21:14.839 were federal, so we were drawing the jury pool from not just Manhattan, 260 00:21:14.839 --> 00:21:18.079 but also the Bronx in Westchester. But it's not that much different. And 261 00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:25.319 I acknowledge that Manhattan has changed. But I would say two things about that. 262 00:21:25.599 --> 00:21:30.440 First, I think it would be a mistake for people to think that 263 00:21:30.559 --> 00:21:37.960 the average Manhattan juror is the person who votes for Alan Bragg Alvin Bragg in 264 00:21:38.599 --> 00:21:44.839 the election. There's a vanishingly small number of people who actually vote in those 265 00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:48.799 elections, their movement progresses. I think Bragg's election there was like eighty thousand 266 00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:56.759 people voted in a county of well over two million people. So Trump is 267 00:21:56.759 --> 00:22:00.960 not without support in Manhattan. And secondly, the thing that you have to 268 00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:06.880 remember about this is Bragg needs twelve Trump needs one. He just if he 269 00:22:06.960 --> 00:22:11.079 gets. If he gets a hung jury here, then that's a win for 270 00:22:11.160 --> 00:22:15.880 him. I also have a theory. You know, who knows if this 271 00:22:15.920 --> 00:22:22.559 will work or up, But I have a theory where they could convict and 272 00:22:22.640 --> 00:22:26.599 yet the case could get thrown out. As I understand New York law, 273 00:22:26.680 --> 00:22:30.559 I mean maybe we should say, maybe I should say something just generally speaking 274 00:22:30.599 --> 00:22:37.880 about what the case is about. The case is a business records falsification case 275 00:22:37.720 --> 00:22:41.880 which Bragg has tried if that's a misdemeanor in New York with a two year 276 00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:47.359 statute of limitations, and we're talking about conduct that happened in twenty seventeen, 277 00:22:48.640 --> 00:22:56.079 Bragg has inflated that into a felony with what's supposed to be a five but 278 00:22:56.160 --> 00:22:59.839 turns out to be because of COVID a six year statute of limitations. That's 279 00:22:59.839 --> 00:23:03.440 how he gets in under the wire. And the way he does that is 280 00:23:03.319 --> 00:23:07.759 the extra fact you have to prove to make it a felony is that you 281 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:14.640 falsified your business record with the fraudulent intent to conceal another crime. So the 282 00:23:14.680 --> 00:23:19.240 whole case will be did he intend to conceal another crime? That's the whole 283 00:23:19.359 --> 00:23:25.480 case correct precisely, And what I think Peter, looking at New York law, 284 00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:30.839 I think Trump is entitled to what's known in the law as a lesser 285 00:23:30.839 --> 00:23:37.440 included offense instruction. The lesser included offense is basically, if you have two 286 00:23:37.519 --> 00:23:42.160 offenses like we just described, right, falsification of records and falsification of records 287 00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:48.279 to conceal another crime. The latter is called the greater offense because it has 288 00:23:48.400 --> 00:23:55.039 one extra element than the lesser one. Otherwise they're completely common. The things 289 00:23:55.039 --> 00:23:59.319 that jury have to find are the same elements, except the greater one has 290 00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:03.799 the extra element. In those situations, even though Bragg did not put misdemeanors 291 00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:11.240 in the indictment, he's got it as thirty four felonies. Correct. Trump 292 00:24:11.319 --> 00:24:18.519 is entitled. Trump's defense is entitled to ask for a lesser included instruction, 293 00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:23.160 which means the jury gets told if they think it's rational to come out this 294 00:24:23.279 --> 00:24:29.400 way, that you can convict him on the misdemeanor and acquit him on the 295 00:24:29.440 --> 00:24:33.720 felony the felony. And if that were to happen, you know, if 296 00:24:33.759 --> 00:24:37.160 the jury's got an itch that they have to convict him of something because he's 297 00:24:37.160 --> 00:24:41.119 Trump, but they don't think that Bragg has made the greater offense. They 298 00:24:41.160 --> 00:24:45.559 could convict him on the misdemeanors and then the case would have to get thrown 299 00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:52.279 out because the statue of limitations ran on the misdemeanors in twenty nineteen. So 300 00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:56.880 if I'm Trump's defense, I'm pushing for that instruction. And you know, 301 00:24:56.960 --> 00:25:00.400 contrary to what some people have said about this, this doesn't mean that Trump 302 00:25:00.440 --> 00:25:04.079 has to cop to the misdemeanor and he's got pretty you know, he's got 303 00:25:04.079 --> 00:25:08.920 some good defenses to work with here, including uh that even with the misdemeanor, 304 00:25:10.279 --> 00:25:14.559 you have to show an intent to defraud, and there's no This is 305 00:25:14.640 --> 00:25:17.720 kind of like the civil fraud case in the sense that there's no victim of 306 00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:21.359 fraud here. You know, there was no tax evasion. There's no you 307 00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:26.440 know, person or entity that got that was either targeted to lose money or 308 00:25:26.920 --> 00:25:29.799 or any of the like. So I think Bragg's gonna have a tough time 309 00:25:29.839 --> 00:25:33.279 with the And you ask one more four of you question that, I will 310 00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:34.799 shut up and let James and Rob take it from here. But here's the 311 00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:41.079 overt Rob, the noted Trump defender and partisan. I think that's exactly right. 312 00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:45.799 Here's the defense. I am seeing a little ray of sunshine in your 313 00:25:45.839 --> 00:25:49.559 description, Andy, and the sunshine would be as follows. Alvin Bragg should 314 00:25:49.640 --> 00:25:53.519 never have brought this case. I know that because I read Andy McCarthy. 315 00:25:55.319 --> 00:25:57.960 No similar case would ever have been brought against any figure other than Donald Trump. 316 00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:03.319 Alvin Bragg is engaging in a travesty against justice. That's one thing, 317 00:26:04.119 --> 00:26:08.839 but it would be another thing if the entire legal system, if the jury 318 00:26:08.839 --> 00:26:14.279 pool here in Manhattan were some way or other likewise to engage in such a 319 00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:21.960 travesty. And what you're saying is that a misguided, progressive, overtly political 320 00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:27.200 da is not going to be able to get this past the legal system and 321 00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:30.559 the jury and a jury of Donald Trump's peers, so to speak, in 322 00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:37.039 Manhattan. The trial might be fair, even if the charges against him are 323 00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:41.599 are outrageous. I think the trial has a lot better chance of being fair 324 00:26:42.319 --> 00:26:47.640 than, say, for example, the civil fraud case, which was a 325 00:26:47.680 --> 00:26:52.920 bench trial before an elected progressive Democrat. And you know, Peter, if 326 00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:57.000 that's not true, then what the hell was the purpose of complaining about the 327 00:26:57.000 --> 00:27:00.759 bench trial. I mean, everybody said he should have had a jury, 328 00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:03.880 he was entitled to a jury. Well, why do we care about that? 329 00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:08.039 We care about that because he might actually get a fair shake from a 330 00:27:08.079 --> 00:27:12.440 jury. Now I want to be you know, this is one of these 331 00:27:14.599 --> 00:27:19.519 sort of inside baseball things about how trials work. To me, the most 332 00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:25.920 important unstated dynamic in a trial is how the judge treats the case, and 333 00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:32.559 particularly how the judge treats the prosecution. And if the judge treats the prosecution 334 00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:37.440 like it's serious business, and he doesn't seem to be overtly unfair to the 335 00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:41.839 defendant. And let's remember now we're talking about what the jury will think here. 336 00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:45.920 We're not talking about like what a bunch of US nerds have been reading 337 00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:52.480 the newspapers about this case intensely for however many years. The jury is not 338 00:27:52.759 --> 00:27:56.960 us. They don't you know, they don't live and die with this stuff. 339 00:27:56.960 --> 00:28:00.680 They're not as locked into it. So this is going to be more 340 00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:03.319 of a matter of first impression for them. Even if they have some predispositions 341 00:28:03.319 --> 00:28:07.799 about Trump, they're going to be powerfully influenced. If Judge Merchon does not 342 00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:15.240 come off as overtly unfair to Trump, the jury could be very influenced by 343 00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:21.279 how he treats the prosecution. And that's a dynamic that goes on in every 344 00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:23.920 trial. And it calls on Trump's lawyers to do a very good job, 345 00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:29.680 because you know, they have to be kind of upbeat and friendly and appealing 346 00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:33.440 to the jury and not fight with the judge if the judge doesn't seem to 347 00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:38.599 be being unreasonable, and rely on their ability to convince the jury that this 348 00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:44.039 case is terrible. And the other thing about Manhattan juries that we need to 349 00:28:44.480 --> 00:28:49.720 bear in mind is you cannot live in Manhattan and not know that Alvin Bragg 350 00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:56.079 does not enforce the laws against against serious time. So you're going to have 351 00:28:56.119 --> 00:29:00.240 people who are going to be sitting in there wondering why do we have like 352 00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:07.920 real criminals walking the street and we're in here on falsification of business records in 353 00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:12.599 a case where no one was defrauded. That and hey, Rob, that 354 00:29:12.599 --> 00:29:15.880 that to me is a as a resident of Manhattan. It seems to me 355 00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:22.240 that your jury pool is tainted by this simple walk through you know, City 356 00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:26.960 Hall Plaza or wherever to you that jury room. There's not a jur in 357 00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:33.920 that room who had did not was not slightly on edge taking the subway down 358 00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:36.160 to City Hall or wherever. This's the you know, wherever the courthouse is. 359 00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:41.680 This is not a good look for the DA or the DA office as 360 00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:48.359 you make your way through a borough of Manhattan that seems ungoverned and unpoliced to 361 00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:56.880 a very strange accounting irregularity trial that is being covered by worldwide media. I 362 00:29:56.880 --> 00:29:59.759 mean, I guess I would say, is like, is there anything I 363 00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:06.799 mean, I could have it wrong? The the larger crime, right the 364 00:30:06.799 --> 00:30:11.880 one that's on top of the misdemeanor is going to be something like that, 365 00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:17.599 like election like kind of a is that? How are they gonna call him 366 00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:21.960 that? I understand the business records, but what's the bigger one called? 367 00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:26.559 What's it's? Well, there's two. Basically he's got a tax theory too, 368 00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:33.079 but that really doesn't doesn't work, and just quickly so we can dismiss 369 00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:37.279 it. The tax theory doesn't work because the way they paid Cone was this 370 00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:41.599 is about the reimbursement of Cone, right, okay, pone pays Stormy, 371 00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:47.400 then Trump reimburses Cohen, and Trump being Trump, he doesn't just pay him. 372 00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:52.720 They have to do it over and installments over eleven months and all this 373 00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:57.039 stuff. The reason I think the tax theory doesn't work is what they did 374 00:30:57.160 --> 00:31:02.079 to pay him back the one hundred and thirty grand. They doubled it, 375 00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:04.720 and they call that grossing up to accounts for the taxes he would have to 376 00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:11.480 pay if that was considered to be income. So they actually specifically thought about 377 00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:15.640 the tax situation and paid him extra. So so not only do those jurors 378 00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:19.640 have to walk through, you know, the jungle of Manhattan to see what 379 00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:26.400 the DA's priorities are. But they've also four days ago filed their complicated, 380 00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:33.079 impenetrable, impossible to understand federal tax return. This is not this is not 381 00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:36.640 going to be a sympathetic jury. Okay, now I understand. 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What you know in a sense though, when you were saying before 421 00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:15.000 that you could get high between the time you get off the subway and you 422 00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:21.440 get there because clouds of choking reefer fumes settled upon Manhattan. We have the 423 00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:24.400 same thing here in Minneapolis is a little bit less extent, and I almost 424 00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:28.199 want to do to pull away from the Trump thing here and go to a 425 00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:32.480 general question about society where we're headed here in Minneapolis, they're about to raise 426 00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:37.760 the price of cigarettes to fifteen bucks a pack before taxes. That's expensive, 427 00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:42.239 and at the same time the state is telling us, here is your marijuana, 428 00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:45.239 Go smoke this. And we have a strange set of priorities being handed 429 00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:49.559 to us by our betters, a disconnect that Rob spoke about before and that 430 00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:52.000 you were spoke speaking about. To what extent do you think this actually is 431 00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:57.760 going to grow and play a role in moving forward when everybody takes a look 432 00:34:57.760 --> 00:35:00.960 at what was done with Trump and what isn't done with the people who, 433 00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:06.239 shall we say, upbraid the you know, the the cities and societies in 434 00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:10.280 which we live. Are we just kind of now conditioned to slump and take 435 00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:15.159 it. And as long as they're going after guys like Trump gears, it's 436 00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:22.119 not affecting me. I think people feel really powerless to to do anything about 437 00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:25.400 it. Part of the part of the appeal of Trump. I think even 438 00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:30.559 among people who you know at bottom don't think he's a very good person, 439 00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:35.440 what they like is he's like the one thing that puts a thumb in the 440 00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:39.199 eye of all the things that they feel powerless about. And I think that's 441 00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:44.400 a big part of the attraction. But I don't know, I don't, 442 00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:50.559 I don't. I don't get the sense that James that that people, you 443 00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:53.119 know, people suddenly got pushed to the point where they can't take it anymore 444 00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:59.960 and they're going to push backing it. Yeah, And I always remind people 445 00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:05.840 even as we as we get alarmed by the fact that murder is creeping up 446 00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:10.480 in New York again. I think it's down from twenty twenty, twenty twenty 447 00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:15.000 three, was down from twenty twenty two, but it's still significantly higher than 448 00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:21.679 it was in twenty nineteen, and almost twice as high. But you know, 449 00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:25.480 what we're worried about or talking about is like four hundred and fifty homicides. 450 00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:30.440 I don't remember what the exact number is. I think in nineteen ninety 451 00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:37.000 one we had close to twenty five hundred homicides in New York City. And 452 00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:40.199 I just point out that despite we're talking about like five times more than we 453 00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:47.079 have down, we had record crime from you know, the late sixties into 454 00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:53.000 the nineties before crime was driven down in a very revolutionary way, but it 455 00:36:53.039 --> 00:37:00.960 got awfully awfully bad before there was a backlash against it. People were willing 456 00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:04.840 to vote for Rudy. Yeah, and they weren't really happened. Yeah, 457 00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:07.440 it's true. And Peter, they weren't four years earlier. You know, 458 00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:12.440 Dinkins beat him. I wouldn't say handily. He was fairly close to election, 459 00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:15.239 but he lost four years before and then went back to the well after 460 00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:22.480 four years of Dinkins. And the way crime got pushed down from nineteen ninety 461 00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:27.920 one to about twenty fourteen or so was astonishing, But it was awfully bad 462 00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:31.880 from the late sixties until nineteen ninety one. So I just don't think in 463 00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:37.280 my experience at least, and I've had a lot of experience, unfortunately with 464 00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:44.440 crime in that area in New York, I just think things could get a 465 00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:51.800 lot worse before they get better. So stop and I hope that's wrong. 466 00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:57.280 Stop whining, Rob, It's going to get much worse. Yeah, Andy, 467 00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:02.760 do you ever feel like I mean? As a New Yorker there was 468 00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:12.079 a constant cultural story from the end of World War Two to nineteen ninety which 469 00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:14.760 was the high water mark of low water mark of murders in New York City, 470 00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:15.880 depending on how you look at it. You know, classes half full 471 00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:21.079 of glasses half empty. That's a long time. Forty years, forty years 472 00:38:21.079 --> 00:38:23.440 of culture, and the forty years said one thing over and over again. 473 00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:29.159 The city is going to get worse and worse and worse. This is normal. 474 00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:32.199 It is normal for the city to get worse. It can never get 475 00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:36.679 better. So you look at the culture of the seventies and you look at 476 00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:38.800 what they were people talking about the city. It was always gritty and nasty 477 00:38:38.840 --> 00:38:40.639 and horrible, and you know, the naked city, all that stuff. 478 00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:45.440 People have been saying. That's to telling that story forever. And then suddenly 479 00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:50.320 changes took forty years though, forty years of sort of your brain imprinting that 480 00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:53.079 the New York City's a gritty place. And it kind of changed and went 481 00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:57.239 and became this place that you know when I came back to it after Juliani, 482 00:38:57.239 --> 00:39:00.519 but there was kind of unrecognizable. There's people city outside, people sitting 483 00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:02.760 out. It's not a herald square having a sandwich. Bryant Park was this 484 00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:07.119 glorious place you could go and enjoy your avenue in here. Get You could 485 00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:08.719 get a glass of wine at Brian Park and sit outside and drink it. 486 00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:13.480 It's crazy like Paris. I live right close to Washington Square Park. Washington 487 00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:16.159 Square Park was surrounded by fencing for most of my growing up, and now 488 00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:21.480 it's like you walk up. Mean, it's plumes of weed and some other 489 00:39:21.519 --> 00:39:23.559 trouble there, but basically it's kind of a big city park. It's lovely. 490 00:39:25.039 --> 00:39:34.400 It does feel like people's tolerance for going back is shorter, the idea. 491 00:39:34.639 --> 00:39:36.519 There's a whole bunch of young people who live in New York City who 492 00:39:36.519 --> 00:39:38.960 do not remember in New York City nineteen eighty five. They remember a night 493 00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:43.559 in New York City when they moved here, when it was not a dump. 494 00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:46.000 I mean it's not. And even now there's standards here people complaining that 495 00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:49.239 New York City all the time. I'm like, listen, you weren't here 496 00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:52.239 in nineteen eighty nine. You should have seen it. Do you think that 497 00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:58.119 helps that there's this tighter cycle now that there's a snap back that's much faster, 498 00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:04.639 that nobody believes that this the city has to be a chaotic crime written 499 00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:10.119 disaster. Well, I think you're right about the short timeframe and that having 500 00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:14.480 a lot to do with people's tolerance to me, and I don't want to 501 00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:17.440 like read my view on it too much on people who haven't been in law 502 00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:24.639 enforcement. But one of the things that's really frustrating about the surgeon crime for 503 00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:30.840 the last ten years, and especially the last five years or so, is 504 00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:37.079 that up until nineteen ninety one or thereabouts, you could say, you know, 505 00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:40.000 we were in this miasma of like what are we gonna what are we 506 00:40:40.039 --> 00:40:45.239 gonna do about this? But crime didn't come down randomly. Crime came down 507 00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:50.719 because of a plan. We have, like a plan we know what works, 508 00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:53.280 right, you know, it's they called it broken windows. That was 509 00:40:53.360 --> 00:41:00.920 part of it. It was really intelligence based policing where instead of the instead 510 00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:05.280 of this idea where the cop goes out to his same assignment every day and 511 00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:09.119 they stay in their cars and they don't do what Bratton and those guys did 512 00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:15.880 under Rudy's stewardship and Ray Kelly was great on this as well, and his 513 00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:22.119 two tenures was they would study the stats and they would deploy police to the 514 00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:27.280 places where crime was starting to signal that it might be surging, so that 515 00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:30.679 they didn't allow it to surge. But can I just I guess my pessimistic 516 00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:37.719 note here is that we're not really talking about crime. We're technically talking about 517 00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:39.519 crime. But when I walk around New York City, I'm not worried that 518 00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:45.079 someone's gonna mug me. I'm worried that some lunatic is going to do something 519 00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:51.119 unpredictable, irrational and violent. And so I'm asking law and force. I 520 00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:53.599 mean, broken windows theory is great, but we're not talking about broken windows 521 00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:58.519 here. We're talking about broken brains. And I just don't understand how you're 522 00:41:58.639 --> 00:42:05.039 asking cops and and and I mean even God, you know, forbid Da 523 00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:09.280 Bragg to solve a crime problem. And notice they always go when you talk 524 00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:12.480 about crime, well, actually you know crime is enough, Actually you know 525 00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:14.639 crime is down. They have all the statistics to prove that it's not a 526 00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:16.159 problem. Whereas the evidence of your eyes and ears is that you walk around 527 00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:19.599 New York City, you walk around any big city in America, that there 528 00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:22.440 is a problem. It's a mental health problem, and it's dangerous. It's 529 00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:27.119 not funny, it's not cute, it's not quaint, it's not remember the 530 00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:29.599 bag lady. People make fun of bag ladies. Ah, that's kind of 531 00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:34.480 fun. No, this is like these are weirdo, crazy crackpot ambulatory psychotics, 532 00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:39.599 pushing people in front of trains, and I'm not sure that the old 533 00:42:39.639 --> 00:42:45.760 solutions are gonna do much. Yeah, we always had a little crazy on 534 00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:50.119 the street, but nothing, nothing like now. The other thing, Rob 535 00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:54.119 is that when I was a kid, you know, New York was always 536 00:42:55.719 --> 00:43:01.039 a leftist center place in terms of just a pulolitical elites. But it wasn't 537 00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:07.440 you know, it wasn't like a hard left Marxist progressive and I had Dutch 538 00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:09.800 owned it when you were a kid, right, when you're well. When 539 00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:13.679 I was a kid, though I grew growing up where I grew up in 540 00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:17.519 the Bronx, everybody was a Democrat and the neighborhood and the neighborhood was conservative. 541 00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:22.800 Yeah, they were conservative Democrats. These are the people who voted for 542 00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:25.360 Bill Buckley in nineteen sixty five, sixty five. I think it was right 543 00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:30.280 and discovered that there were when the Queens and the Bronx and Staten Island who 544 00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:35.039 were for this crazy conservative Republican because they were conservative people. Yeah, and 545 00:43:35.079 --> 00:43:38.840 they were the least patient with John Lindsay, who was like the original limousine 546 00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:44.960 liberal. Right. But the thing is, back then it wasn't like we 547 00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:49.400 didn't always have like this Marxist fringe. It's the problem is it's now not 548 00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:55.519 a fringe. They've actually taken over the government and it's much worse than it 549 00:43:55.559 --> 00:44:00.199 than it ever was at that level. And as a result, even though 550 00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:07.360 I don't think this is representative of people's ordinary people's sensibilities, the government is 551 00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:14.880 officially hard progressive, and as a result we have the mental health policies that 552 00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:22.039 have rafts of crazy people doing crazy stuff on the street. We have these 553 00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:27.000 progressive prosecutors as crime was going up, thinking that the way you deal with 554 00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:32.960 this is by dismantling the carceral state, which means let everybody out of the 555 00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:37.920 prisons, even though the people in the neighborhoods which are who are tormented by 556 00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:46.719 crime actually want more policing. But the cities being run by mostly white lefty 557 00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:52.280 lunatics, and the people who are living with the consequences of it are the 558 00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:57.719 people who live in these poorer neighborhoods where the crime is the highest. Yeah, 559 00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:00.079 false consciousness, that's the problem. You're absolutely right, Andy, And 560 00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:02.480 I know we got to let you go, but you're absolutely right. As 561 00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:07.639 Rob was saying before, we couldn't do anything about crime, and then Juliani, 562 00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:12.440 we can do something about crime. And now we shouldn't do anything about 563 00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:15.840 these issues. That's what I always hear from these people. We shouldn't do 564 00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:21.280 it until we address the root causes in the systemic systemism. That they're not 565 00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:24.760 interested in doing anything about these things at all. They're illustrative and they're helpful, 566 00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:29.400 and you, as usual, have been illustrative and helpful. And I 567 00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:34.840 hope our listeners have a clearer, a firmer, dryer grasp on what's going 568 00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:36.920 on with the Trump cases. And of course we will talk to you later 569 00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:39.079 about the same thing, because this ain't going away. Annie McCarthy, always 570 00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:42.960 a pleasure. Thanks, guys, have a great meets. Any will you 571 00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:46.920 quit sitting around and appearing on Fox News and run for governor once we get 572 00:45:46.960 --> 00:45:52.559 Trenton and Newmark and Jersey City show The Way to New York show the Way 573 00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:57.000 will you please? Yeah? I don't know. They don't want a guy 574 00:45:57.000 --> 00:45:59.599 from the Bronx. You know. First of all, I say Trenton and 575 00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:07.599 you know, so come come home, come home. Time for you to 576 00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:10.920 come home and run the city. Andy, have a great weekend. Thanks 577 00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:15.000 you too, You know A couple of things about New York as long as 578 00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:19.840 we're still on the subject and you guys are still there. One, the 579 00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:23.280 the crazies, the the I'm sure it's probably a wrong word, the challenged. 580 00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:29.079 It seems like there's more of them. They're more flamboyant, and they're 581 00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:32.360 they're meaner, and they're weirder than they used to be. It's drugs. 582 00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:36.840 I I don't think we're dealing with a lot of people here who since their 583 00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:39.719 adolescent period have started to have something go awry with their brain chemistry. I 584 00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:45.480 think you have a lot of people to have fried on drugs, and you 585 00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:51.679 know it's I hate to say this because people get angry, but marijuana does 586 00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:54.119 it too. I think the amount of psychosis you probably can get people who've 587 00:46:54.119 --> 00:46:58.760 been doing a lot of we'd modern day varieties of it is hi. So, 588 00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:01.000 yeah, you got more crazy people out there, not because they opened 589 00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:04.800 the doors of the asylum. I still go on to Reddit and you will 590 00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:08.119 still find people convinced that the reason that you have people sleeping and pushing people 591 00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:14.519 in front of cars in Rob's old hometown of Venice is because Ronald Reagan threw 592 00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:17.239 open the asylum doors in the nineteen eighties. Personally, Ronald Reagan opened the 593 00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:21.559 doors and then kicked everybody out, dragged them out by their callers, completely 594 00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:24.639 unilateral action. The second thing I would note, and both you guys there 595 00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:29.239 in Gotham can give me your opinion about this. Rob and I had argued 596 00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:31.360 about this before, but maybe Peter with a fresh set of eyes. The 597 00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:39.280 one thing I hate hate about New York these days is all the scaffolding. 598 00:47:40.760 --> 00:47:45.960 It's permanent, doesn't go away, it's not there to protect anybody. Usually, 599 00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:52.239 it's part of these interminable restoration efforts. And there's tax reasons for it, 600 00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:57.440 there's landmarking, there's all kinds of reasons for it. But have you 601 00:47:57.519 --> 00:47:59.760 noticed that, Peter, that when you walk down the street would used to 602 00:47:59.800 --> 00:48:04.239 be like you know, Manhattan, the street, beautiful old brick buildings. 603 00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:08.320 You are now shuttling through these like a rat, through these dank green tunnels 604 00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:12.960 with metal pipes, and it's straight out of the Batman movie in nineteen eighty 605 00:48:13.039 --> 00:48:15.880 nine. Yeah, there is a huge amount of that. In fact, 606 00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:19.000 I was walking down Park Caven who paid a kind of homage to where Bill 607 00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:22.239 and Pat Buckley used to live in their whole building is covered in scaffolding. 608 00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:28.880 Now, I took it as I did. We landed in Newark and took 609 00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:30.519 an uber in and the skyline. Thought to myself, oh my goodness, 610 00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:36.599 the skyline has been transformed since I moved out, and it was California. 611 00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:40.360 Yeah, yeah, And so I thought to myself, I mean, you 612 00:48:40.360 --> 00:48:43.760 know, in California, all you hear about New York is in decline. 613 00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:46.719 Everybody's moving to Florida. That's not quite the case. There's an enormous amount 614 00:48:46.760 --> 00:48:51.880 of growth and energy. Rob Long is here, for example. So I 615 00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:55.199 sort of took it as these buildings have to get refurbished. This is a 616 00:48:55.199 --> 00:48:59.480 good sign. There's investment. The co ops are putting up the money to 617 00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:02.000 do what needs to be done to keep the buildings intent for another fifty years. 618 00:49:02.039 --> 00:49:05.320 But of course it's New York, so the government will be involved. 619 00:49:05.360 --> 00:49:07.800 There's some corruption involved there, a tax cuts, ice, a huge boondog, 620 00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:12.000 right, because the scaffolding is very expensive and it's hard to reserve. 621 00:49:12.039 --> 00:49:14.440 You had to reserve ahead of time, so they put up the scaffolding way 622 00:49:14.480 --> 00:49:17.440 before they need to. And there's new kinds of scaffolding now that it's like 623 00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:22.760 kind of these weird kind of pretty white umbrella things that are lit that are 624 00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:30.360 making scaffolding and the building scaffolding somehow more attractive. There's with like plastic flowers 625 00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:37.400 stuff, which is somehow even creepier. And there's a lot there has been 626 00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:38.440 a lot of construction, but a lot of it. It's just that there's 627 00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:44.119 a a few places you must have it. It's insurance and regulations and whatever 628 00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:46.280 you're doing you must have. And this is sort of new, kind of 629 00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:52.559 new from past twenty five years when a bunch of when a bunch of stuff 630 00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:57.000 fell off masonry, fell off a building and killed somebody on the sidewalk. 631 00:49:57.280 --> 00:50:01.360 And now all these buildings need to have their their facade mationary or their facade 632 00:50:01.400 --> 00:50:06.360 of any kind inspected every X number of years, which means scaffolding. So 633 00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:10.480 it's a it's a very strange thing. But like most of these things, 634 00:50:10.519 --> 00:50:16.280 I think it has to do with a government regulation, a regulated industry, 635 00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:27.800 shortages and compliance with a whole bunch of legal and you know, city ordinances, 636 00:50:28.360 --> 00:50:32.400 and not so much the practical need for workers to get uh and walk 637 00:50:32.679 --> 00:50:37.960 on the outside of a building. That to me feels like like I don't 638 00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:40.079 know why you have to build scaffolding just to just to I mean, I 639 00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:43.760 don't know about it. Maybe you do, but just it seems to me 640 00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:46.880 to be Yeah, it seems to me that it's a that it is like 641 00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:53.840 most things, it is the product of an overregulated, uh and over insured 642 00:50:53.960 --> 00:51:00.039 and over over protective, bureaucratic state. I'm a fast walker, which is 643 00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:02.679 why I like New York. I got to New York and I'm telling New 644 00:51:02.719 --> 00:51:07.440 Yorkers to get it out of the way and having everybody shut it put into 645 00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:10.719 these tunnels with choke points and the rest of it requires you know, you 646 00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:15.800 got to do your radar scanning down down the sidewalks right, Yes, much 647 00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:17.119 better to rains. And then you're like looking for the scalpeling. But I 648 00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:22.079 get it right, And so Peter, how long has it been since you've 649 00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:27.519 been there, to the large apple, Since I've been here for a very 650 00:51:27.599 --> 00:51:31.320 quick business trip, it's probably been So I'm in the middle of Manhattan for 651 00:51:31.440 --> 00:51:36.559 almost a week, and it has been probably a decade and a half since 652 00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:38.760 I spent that much time in Manhattan. So you've seen some of the new 653 00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:44.559 substantial construction that's taken place, which the new substantial those needle buildings. There 654 00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:46.000 is nothing wrong. I was just thinking about this as Robin Andy. We're 655 00:51:46.039 --> 00:51:50.880 talking about the mental homeless. There is no doubt that that's true. The 656 00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:54.280 sense the anxiety is not I'm going to get a knife in the back or 657 00:51:54.360 --> 00:51:58.119 somebody's going to hold me up on the street, which by the way, 658 00:51:58.119 --> 00:52:00.239 did happen to me in the old days. Somebody who just stopped me on 659 00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:04.840 the street and to give me your money, and I said, here, 660 00:52:04.920 --> 00:52:09.000 sorry, I don't have more great physical coward good man. That's a good 661 00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:10.960 man only, which it could be more, my good man. Yes, 662 00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:19.920 exactly, clouds of marijuana tattoos. But from maybe the third or fourth floor 663 00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:22.920 up, there's no mental illness in Manhattan. It's this is what we're talking 664 00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:28.360 about, is the streets. Sadly enough, everybody, even those rich rich 665 00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:31.440 people way up in those needle towers, have to come down to the street, 666 00:52:31.800 --> 00:52:35.480 or every so often at least they have to come down to the street, 667 00:52:35.960 --> 00:52:39.440 and the walking through clouds of marijuana getting on the subway, as I 668 00:52:39.480 --> 00:52:44.960 did just now, following Rob's directions to come from uptown to downtown, and 669 00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:49.239 just you know, you're scanning, you're looking more than you feel as though 670 00:52:49.239 --> 00:52:52.119 you ought to for the crazy person you're looking for. Where's the car that 671 00:52:52.159 --> 00:53:00.039 nobody's in, Because I shouldn't go in that car either. It's unnerve in 672 00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:07.280 a place where, from the second floor up, this town is filled with 673 00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:15.079 brains and talent and ambition and energy. It's an astonishing place that ought pretty 674 00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:19.599 easily to be even better. When I say pretty easily, we all know 675 00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:22.079 that if Andy McCarthy were made mayor, this place would get turned around in 676 00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:25.840 two months. I've been on the second floor of the CVS and Times Squares 677 00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:30.000 full of lunatics. But I know what you mean when the billionaires come down. 678 00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:34.920 But Frand Leeboo's famously said that the outdoors is what I passed through from 679 00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:37.920 my lobby to the tent to the taxi. Right, so those people are 680 00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:40.880 going to be insulated no matter what in billionaire's row. But no, you're 681 00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:45.960 you're absolutely correct. Still love the city, wouldn't live there if you paid 682 00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:49.960 me. It takes about three or four days before I throw up my hands 683 00:53:50.360 --> 00:53:52.320 or my sharma and say you one, that's it, that's it, that's 684 00:53:52.360 --> 00:53:55.239 it. I'm still never forgetting anally with this. When I went to the 685 00:53:55.320 --> 00:53:59.599 National Review Christmas party. Robbie should have been there. I know you were 686 00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:01.679 giving a lecture to some mutes or something. I was talking to youths. 687 00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:05.639 He's coming back to that. I was still a little hungry, and I 688 00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:08.599 thought, and I'm walking back to my hotel through the bustling crowds, Christmas 689 00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:13.400 time, lights everywhere, beautiful, just New York. And it's absolutely finest 690 00:54:13.519 --> 00:54:17.199 there. It is a Sabrett's hot dog place, the Bretts Sabrettes subratrite. 691 00:54:17.519 --> 00:54:20.920 Okay, I wish I've been Hebrew nationally the best. But you know, 692 00:54:21.320 --> 00:54:22.559 I said, you know, I haven't had a New York street dog in 693 00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:25.000 a long time. This is great. I walk up. I talked to 694 00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:29.440 the guy, how are you my friend? What would you like? I'm 695 00:54:29.440 --> 00:54:30.960 his friend, he's my friend. We're having a New York experience. I 696 00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:35.360 gave him the money, cooks the dog. He puts the bun on everything, 697 00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:37.679 and I just slather a little ketchup on it. And I'm sorry Mustard. 698 00:54:38.280 --> 00:54:40.760 And I walked down the street saying, here I am. I've done 699 00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:44.440 it. I went to New York with a party. I had a party 700 00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:49.800 up at a skyscraper, drank fine Scotch walked through the city, was not 701 00:54:49.960 --> 00:54:53.559 molested. The lights twinkling above the new cranes of the JP Morgan. I'm 702 00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:55.960 in New York and I took a bite of my hot dog and it was 703 00:54:57.559 --> 00:55:05.440 ice cold, absolutely ice cold. I got it for you. We make 704 00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:08.960 it cold for you. We make it very cool for I extract all the 705 00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:13.320 heat out of it whatsoever. And I thought I can dump this right now, 706 00:55:13.360 --> 00:55:15.559 which I did, knowing that Pizza rat is going to get it some 707 00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:19.239 you know, Pizza vermin is going to pick it out and in the site 708 00:55:19.719 --> 00:55:22.679 continues. But I thought that was perfect. That was I may idjus your 709 00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:27.519 your your culinary. I know you walked out of forty probably forty fourth Street 710 00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:32.079 and took a left right on sixth Avenue. The Halal guys, I'm telling 711 00:55:32.079 --> 00:55:36.400 you, the Halal guys. Yeah, a bunch of carts. Usually there's 712 00:55:36.400 --> 00:55:38.960 a line. This was a whole all place. This is one of those 713 00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:43.039 guys. No, no, they don't. They don't sell this. They 714 00:55:43.039 --> 00:55:47.079 don't sell the dot or they sell like a chicken swarma. It is delicious. 715 00:55:47.199 --> 00:55:51.480 It's so good you can door dash it. The Hallal guys, you've 716 00:55:51.480 --> 00:55:52.960 got to say halal. Guys, if you can't say anything else, and 717 00:55:53.000 --> 00:55:55.679 there are four or five of them, and they have they have one downtown, 718 00:55:55.719 --> 00:55:59.880 too unbelievable. The next time I've seen them and I will take them. 719 00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:06.400 I've just never trusted. I've always figured that getting meat from a streetcar 720 00:56:06.599 --> 00:56:09.639 vendor is going to result in gut griping six hours later, the likes of 721 00:56:09.679 --> 00:56:13.800 which I've never seen before and for which there is no recourse. So that's 722 00:56:13.840 --> 00:56:16.079 why I cannot do it. But you know what, this is what we 723 00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:19.800 should do. We should arrange. We should arrange a Ricochet meetup where by 724 00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:23.440 Rob Longs to his favorite all guys, I'll give the architecture tour if you 725 00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:28.280 if you don't mind, h and Peter Robinson will well, you know, 726 00:56:28.679 --> 00:56:30.519 tell us of his recollections of the days when he was held up, and 727 00:56:31.119 --> 00:56:34.840 between the three of us, the artistic, the cultural and historical, we 728 00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:38.840 should have New York. You know, easily explained for all he said jokingly 729 00:56:39.280 --> 00:56:43.599 or not. That's part of the Ricochet meetups, which of course we'll have 730 00:56:44.039 --> 00:56:46.800 later. Rob next week you can tell us about some Yeah, but so 731 00:56:46.880 --> 00:56:50.760 coming up. This was brought to you, of course by Ricochet Dot com 732 00:56:50.800 --> 00:56:53.599 and by neural hackers. Support them, and you support us, and everybody's 733 00:56:53.639 --> 00:56:57.719 happy. 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