1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,480 I don't know what the solution is yet, but I think there's a solution. 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:09,160 Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:16,600 do for your country. Mister Garbahaw, tear down this wall. It's the 4 00:00:16,679 --> 00:00:20,640 Ricochet Podcast. Peter Robinson and rob Laws they're together in New York. I'm 5 00:00:20,719 --> 00:00:24,160 James LLWX here in Minneapolis. We've got to talk to Andy McCarthy about Trump's 6 00:00:24,359 --> 00:00:28,879 trial and more so, let's eversos a podcast. But this is a rib 7 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,200 that should never happender should have been thrown out a long time. If you 8 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:38,399 look at it, Johnathan, Jery, Andy Pause, all great legal scholars. 9 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,039 It is not the one that we've been able to said he should be 10 00:00:42,039 --> 00:00:46,640 a trial. America is a nation that can be defined in a single word. 11 00:00:47,759 --> 00:00:52,439 I was gonna put him in put excuse music. Welcome everybody. This 12 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:56,600 is the Ricochet Podcast, number six hundred and eighty eight. As a matter 13 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,439 of fact, I'm James Lelex in Minneapolis. Or it's gold again and knowing 14 00:01:00,759 --> 00:01:06,280 rob Long and Peter Robinson are together in New York now. Peter Robinson in 15 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,959 New York is just is one of those movies i'd like to see, you 16 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,799 know, as he wonders around, full of California optimism, looking up at 17 00:01:12,799 --> 00:01:18,079 the tall buildings in twenty stories. That is exactly how That's exactly right. 18 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,400 That's what I would like to think. So Rob, you, the cynical 19 00:01:21,439 --> 00:01:26,760 Gotham Dennison, you know, Van, you though you are. You've taken 20 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,719 Peter around to show them the science Statue of Liberty, top of the Empire 21 00:01:29,799 --> 00:01:33,760 State the rest of it Storm Club twenty one exactly. It's been like one 22 00:01:33,799 --> 00:01:37,599 of those some montages with the with the you know when Peter looking up at 23 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:42,719 the big all the lights of Times Square like that's what it's been. Well, 24 00:01:42,719 --> 00:01:45,079 that's American in Paris. So I would you know, have to have 25 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,239 up on the batteries down. How's there we go? There we go, 26 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,640 gentlemen. There's so much to talk about today. We can we can go 27 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:56,959 over the the AI generated woke bought musings of NPR's new host. We can 28 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,359 talk about the fact that Google finally found a spine and fired some people for 29 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:06,959 doing something or that that have been arrests in Colombia over a pro Palestinian an 30 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,599 astonishing moment. Yes, and people would look at this and say the tide 31 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,240 is turning. On the other hand, I saw on Twitter the other day, 32 00:02:14,479 --> 00:02:19,039 granted Twitter and granted a lot of people, but they were shouting hands 33 00:02:19,039 --> 00:02:22,840 off Iran. Upon hearing that Iran had launched an attack on Israel, they 34 00:02:22,879 --> 00:02:24,479 said, well, don't you retaliate now? Don't don't you don't, don't 35 00:02:24,479 --> 00:02:28,759 don't you do that? Well, we have the retaliation now. And perhaps 36 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:34,039 rather than thinking and talking blathering about what the college students are doing, this 37 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:38,039 seems to be a more consequence as real struck. Iran hit a military base. 38 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,919 The place where they hit happens, by some odd coincidence, to be 39 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,360 the home or one of the homes of the nuclear and conventional missile programs that 40 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:52,280 Iran has. Is this a proportional response? Is it time to stand down 41 00:02:52,319 --> 00:02:57,599 now? Message sent. I don't know the details, because all of this 42 00:02:57,759 --> 00:03:01,319 was starting to break last night. I looked at my computer just after taking 43 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:06,599 my ambient which I always take to get three times on. So there I 44 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,759 was reading about the destruction the beginnings of World War three o'clock and I fell 45 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:15,080 sound asleep. And for the traveler that I am getting down here to Greenwich 46 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:19,319 Village to see Rob meant that I didn't look at the news today astonishingly enough. 47 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,080 So I don't know the details. My general sense of it is I 48 00:03:23,159 --> 00:03:31,360 do not understand how Israel could have permitted Iran to attack with more than three 49 00:03:31,479 --> 00:03:37,840 hundred armed drones and ballistic missiles. Even if they knock them out of the 50 00:03:37,879 --> 00:03:43,879 air, Iran still attacked, engaged in a massive attack against Israel. I 51 00:03:43,879 --> 00:03:50,840 do not see how any nation but Israel above all, could fail to respond 52 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:55,639 in some pretty direct, pretty forceful manner. So it feels to me as 53 00:03:55,639 --> 00:04:00,560 though something necessary has happened proportion What will happen next, That's all. I 54 00:04:00,599 --> 00:04:05,599 don't know that Rob. Maybe a you know, a regimeed decapitation was considered 55 00:04:05,639 --> 00:04:11,360 but waved off by Joe Biden, fresh from telling the Israel not to attack 56 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:15,479 Haifa. He may have put his thumb on the scale here too. He 57 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,319 may have said to them, don't and found though you know, the one 58 00:04:17,399 --> 00:04:21,319 nation on earth that actually listens to him. Do you think this was enough? 59 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,319 Or do you think this is as we've been doing since nineteen seventy nine, 60 00:04:25,759 --> 00:04:30,360 kicking the can down the road? Well? I mean yes and no. 61 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,959 I mean the beauty of the system right now, or the situation we're 62 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,720 in, which is kind of a disaster, but it's also the product of 63 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:42,120 a strategy, right. Israeli strategy has been the past ten to fifteen twenty 64 00:04:42,199 --> 00:04:46,360 years, and it's been effective, has been to isolate Hamas, drive them 65 00:04:46,439 --> 00:04:55,319 into Iran, to create one unified enemy under the Iranian umbrella because and then 66 00:04:55,839 --> 00:05:02,560 to sort of make piecemeal, small boar probably ultimately trivial, but still significant 67 00:05:02,639 --> 00:05:09,920 peace with the big Arab neighbors that were traditionally enemies, so not just Egypt, 68 00:05:09,959 --> 00:05:15,240 but Saudi Arabia and Jordan places like that. So bombing and the people 69 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:19,000 who really misunderstood this new dynamic has been Iran. Because there's nobody protesting the 70 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:24,079 bombing of Iran except in American universities. Iran has no allies in the region, 71 00:05:24,199 --> 00:05:27,959 Saudis don't care, and the King of Jordan Is especially doesn't care. 72 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,399 And so it isn't so much that the trouble for those countries isn't so much 73 00:05:33,439 --> 00:05:41,519 that Israel attacked Iran or responded. It's that Israel was tacitly allowed and maybe 74 00:05:41,519 --> 00:05:46,439 even encouraged privately to do so by its former enemies Saudi Arabia and and and 75 00:05:46,759 --> 00:05:51,120 Jordan. And this is the product of a very very long game of chess 76 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,279 the Israeli has been playing, and I think they've been playing really well. 77 00:05:54,399 --> 00:05:58,240 That doesn't mean having is perfect. Obviously, the minute you isolate Hamas and 78 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,000 you drive them into desperation, they do something spirit like they did in October 79 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,279 seventh. So you know, you don't get what you want in life. 80 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:12,360 But the big miscalculation isn't Netanyahu here, and it isn't Saudi Arabia. It's 81 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,800 Haamas and Iran. And I wouldn't want to be them right now because there's 82 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:21,120 nobody they can call except maybe Putin. So now we have you know, 83 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:27,959 the chess game has isolated the bad actors into one group. The weird thing 84 00:06:27,959 --> 00:06:30,399 that always talking about, of course, is the Putin problem, because that's 85 00:06:30,399 --> 00:06:32,399 the Putin problem for Israel because Netan Yahoo, for all the things people love 86 00:06:32,439 --> 00:06:36,680 about him, he has been a Putent apologist for years. There's an entirely 87 00:06:36,759 --> 00:06:42,040 too much connection between his party, the government of Israel, and Russia, 88 00:06:44,399 --> 00:06:48,279 especially technologically, especially in technological issues that are you know, some companies that 89 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:56,680 were starting in Israel are now owned by Russians. Not so great. Declining 90 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,480 to mention some of them, because some of them have been past Africas. 91 00:07:01,319 --> 00:07:03,639 So there's like a lot of chickens coming out of roost. But I don't 92 00:07:03,639 --> 00:07:09,920 see how they had a choice. But I also don't think that I also 93 00:07:09,959 --> 00:07:12,639 don't think it was that much risk, because they have been mitigating the risk 94 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,720 privately, quietly for the past twenty years. A lot turns on intelligence, 95 00:07:16,759 --> 00:07:20,720 and of course the Israelis know a great deal more than Little Robinson does. 96 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:25,680 But I see that Andy McCarthy, whom I'm always tempted to call the Great 97 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:30,639 Andy McCarthy, has changed, that has joined us and has joined us, 98 00:07:30,639 --> 00:07:35,199 and I want to ask him the following question. So it's clear that the 99 00:07:35,279 --> 00:07:43,319 response to the Iranian attack would have been unthinkable just a decade ago. The 100 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:50,199 Israelis have the Iron Dome, that anti ballistic missile system worked. Americans participated 101 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,879 in the defense of Israel, knocking missiles out of the sky. So did 102 00:07:54,879 --> 00:08:01,720 the British, But so did Jordan, and so did, according to at 103 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:07,279 least some reports, so did Saudi Arabia. Unthinkable a decade ago. So 104 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:11,959 now Israel is able to coordinate. Now, let me put it in another 105 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:18,759 way. Now Jordan and Saudi Arabia are participating in the defense of the state 106 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:24,240 of Israel, and an Iranian attack fails completely. I am hoping, and 107 00:08:24,279 --> 00:08:28,240 this is the question for Andy, that the Israelis were not just engaging in 108 00:08:28,279 --> 00:08:33,240 a kind of necessary tit for tat. They couldn't permit the Iranian attack to 109 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:37,360 go unanswered. I'm hoping there's also a strategic opportunity there. They sense real 110 00:08:37,399 --> 00:08:41,960 weakness. They're getting intelligence from the ground in Tehran that the Iranian population is 111 00:08:43,399 --> 00:08:48,960 that regime's entire legitimacy rests on pure raw strength. If they no longer look 112 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:54,759 strong, I would like to hope there will be moves against them. Andy, 113 00:08:54,759 --> 00:08:58,279 what do you make of that notion? Hold on here? We have 114 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,240 informally introduced him and not here. I'm sorry, No, he is here, 115 00:09:01,279 --> 00:09:07,919 but we must we must respect gate format and now were welcome to the 116 00:09:07,919 --> 00:09:11,639 podcast. Annie McCarthy, senior Fellow of the National Review Institute, contributing editor 117 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:16,000 there as well as Fox News. Andy, welcome. Do you remember what 118 00:09:16,039 --> 00:09:20,039 Peter's question was? Go? I sure too, It's the It's the question 119 00:09:20,159 --> 00:09:24,679 we've been working on for thirty years, right, yeah or more? Yes? 120 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:28,759 Uh, you know, Look, I think the deck has been reshuffled 121 00:09:28,799 --> 00:09:37,960 in a very interesting way. For I think it better part of a decade. 122 00:09:39,519 --> 00:09:43,960 It really goes back to the to the Arab Spring, so longer than 123 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,559 that. But there's a lot of there's a lot of tumult here and I 124 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:54,080 don't know whether we know yet how it will all shake out. I do 125 00:09:54,200 --> 00:10:00,759 agree that anything that shows the UH the internal weakness of the gime in Iran 126 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:11,600 is a very good development. I also think that the for all the hullabaloo 127 00:10:11,639 --> 00:10:16,240 about Kashogi, which I think was not covered in a way that completely conveyed 128 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:24,759 how that incident fit into the the shifting dynamics UH in the region. To 129 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:31,039 me, the biggest, one of the biggest positive developments over the last decade 130 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:39,480 plus has been this this breakup between the Saudis and the Muslim Brotherhood, which 131 00:10:39,519 --> 00:10:48,759 in in many ways UH has allowed this situation where the Saudi's, without saying 132 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:54,840 so out loud as much as we'd like to have, have been drawn into 133 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,440 a kind of a tacit alliance with the Israelis. Part of that is the 134 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:03,399 breakup with the Brotherhood and the stuff that came out of the the Arab Spring, 135 00:11:03,879 --> 00:11:09,519 and some of it a lot of it is the way Obama's policy shift 136 00:11:09,799 --> 00:11:18,240 and this insane idea of like putting distance between us and our allies in Israel 137 00:11:18,279 --> 00:11:22,960 and our traditional at least to call them allies I think over states, but 138 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:31,399 the governments that were the Sunni governments that were traditionally friendly to an extent toward 139 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:37,039 the United States, to put distance between us and them and empower or Ran 140 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:43,159 so that it became more of a closer to a potential regional hedgemon. I 141 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:50,360 think was a nutty, reckless idea and that has that has done wild risk. 142 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:54,039 At the minimum, it was a wild risk, yeah, but hasn't 143 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:58,320 worked out well. It has, It has worked out, but not the 144 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:05,320 way, not the way intended I think in it, when the dust settles, 145 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,120 the region may turn out to be more stable for us, but the 146 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:15,360 dust hasn't settled. James, your job now is to segue from Iran to 147 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,279 a courtroom in New York. I will do so. You know, there's 148 00:12:18,279 --> 00:12:20,120 a lot of people out there who are going to vote for Trump to matter 149 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:24,480 what. There's a lot of people out there who are who are have shrugged 150 00:12:24,519 --> 00:12:28,240 off the legal maneuverings because they're bored with that. They're tired with it. 151 00:12:28,279 --> 00:12:30,840 They can't figure it out, or they have figured it out, and they 152 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,519 don't believe that it's anything other than a star cord and political prosecution. And 153 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,759 it's based on zip it's based on animus, it's based on Adams coming up 154 00:12:37,799 --> 00:12:43,240 with we got to do something. I could not have predicted this, actually, 155 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,080 but my whole view on the election has shifted over the last two or 156 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:50,559 three months. The impact of these court cases is I think, becoming white 157 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,039 noise to a lot of people. So bring us through what we got today. 158 00:12:54,159 --> 00:12:58,759 We got a judge who did something based on something that happened before, 159 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:05,559 and there's Stormy Daniels in there and don't know why and Cohen and the rest 160 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,480 of us sum it all up for us and tell us A what you think 161 00:13:09,519 --> 00:13:13,519 is coming up next? And b your evaluation of whether or not it counts 162 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:20,159 matters. I think it matters. What is the what is the it? 163 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,200 Though? We got to get the expert as you are on porn stars, 164 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:30,000 Andy, tell us what tell us the latest? Judge la Playboy Models. 165 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:35,120 I can address it porn So I don't know, Judge. Uh so, 166 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:41,200 Judge, I think like the thirty thousand foot view of this is that the 167 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:48,039 people who engineered the law Fair campaign, the upshot of which are the effect 168 00:13:48,039 --> 00:13:50,279 on the election, of which we can't really at this point assess, but 169 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:56,000 we I do agree that it's it is becoming a lot of white noise to 170 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:01,639 a lot of people. But I think they're nightmare scenario is to have Bragg's 171 00:14:01,639 --> 00:14:09,519 case go first, because Bragg's case is like a dog's breakfast of a case. 172 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:20,080 Whereas I think the over ambition of Jack Smith prevented them from taking their 173 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:24,279 best shot at Trump in a timely way on a serious case, which would 174 00:14:24,279 --> 00:14:28,759 have been to pair the Florida case down to an obstruction case against Trump. 175 00:14:30,519 --> 00:14:33,879 Instead. You know, they all have stars in their eyes, these guys, 176 00:14:33,879 --> 00:14:37,120 and they overdo it. So you know, Smith decided he had to 177 00:14:37,159 --> 00:14:45,159 bring thirty two classified felony counts, you know, classified documents, felony counts. 178 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:50,200 And you know a number of us said at the beginning of all that, 179 00:14:50,279 --> 00:14:54,360 and I have the scars to prove this one. If you get yourself 180 00:14:54,360 --> 00:15:00,120 involved in a litigation over the Classified Information Procedures Act, where you basically have 181 00:15:00,159 --> 00:15:05,960 to have a pre trial trial of the trial and show the admissibility of every 182 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:09,600 classified document and have arguments with the government about what gets revealed in court and 183 00:15:09,639 --> 00:15:13,639 what doesn't. That takes a very long time, even if people are trying 184 00:15:13,679 --> 00:15:18,080 hard to get the case to trial. I think that he could have done 185 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,960 away with all of that by just making it an obstruction case, and he 186 00:15:22,039 --> 00:15:26,360 might have actually gotten to trial on that. But of course that didn't happen. 187 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:33,720 The Washington case was bound to be delayed by appellet litigation because of the 188 00:15:33,799 --> 00:15:39,120 immunity issue. Even if Smith thought he was on solid ground on the immunity 189 00:15:39,159 --> 00:15:41,559 issue, and I think he probably will win that at the Supreme Court, 190 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:46,240 he may not get the sweeping, complete win that he wants, and I 191 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:50,480 could see a resolution by the court that could further slow that case down. 192 00:15:50,039 --> 00:15:54,919 But I'm just saying in terms of timing. And the reason we're talking about 193 00:15:54,960 --> 00:16:00,120 timing, by the way, is because all these guys improperly tried to orchestrate 194 00:16:00,159 --> 00:16:06,000 this so that this all became trials during the election year, which is the 195 00:16:06,039 --> 00:16:08,879 thing the Justice Department manual tells prosecutors did not allowed to do, but they 196 00:16:08,919 --> 00:16:14,440 did it anyway. But if you're Smith and you're trying to orchestrate this, 197 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,919 you have to know that you're going to be an impellate litigation over immunity because 198 00:16:18,919 --> 00:16:22,240 it's one of the few issues that you're allowed to appeal pre trial. And 199 00:16:22,279 --> 00:16:26,639 what Trump, even if Trump didn't think that he had much of a chance 200 00:16:26,639 --> 00:16:30,080 on immunity, what he wanted here was delay. He's trying to push everything 201 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,279 beyond election day. It doesn't matter whether he wins the immunity I mean, 202 00:16:33,399 --> 00:16:38,440 obviously he'd love to win the immunity issue, but more important for him in 203 00:16:38,519 --> 00:16:42,679 terms of what he really could accomplish here was delay. And he's delayed it 204 00:16:42,919 --> 00:16:48,559 so much that it may be that that case never gets to trial, at 205 00:16:48,679 --> 00:16:56,360 least prior to election day. So what they're stuck with. I think I 206 00:16:56,399 --> 00:17:00,679 haven't even addressed to the circus down in Atlanta because that we don't know what's 207 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,480 going to happen with that case. That's also going to be caught up in 208 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:11,160 a pellet litigation. So the case that we thought was gone away was Bragg's 209 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:15,279 case because Brag and when you look at Bragg's case, you shouldn't be surprised 210 00:17:15,279 --> 00:17:19,359 by this. Bragg said that he was happy to defer to the federal prosecutors. 211 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,720 So the idea was that Jack Smith was going to get to the front 212 00:17:22,759 --> 00:17:27,920 of the line and try the J six case in March, and of course 213 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:34,720 that got derailed. So now Bragg is back and this case hasn't gotten any 214 00:17:34,759 --> 00:17:41,079 better. So where we're at now is they have picked a jury much more 215 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:47,799 quickly than not only then most people thought, including me, but certainly more 216 00:17:47,839 --> 00:17:52,279 quickly than it looked like was going to happen as late as Monday afternoon when 217 00:17:52,319 --> 00:17:59,359 I was hearing from people who were connected to both sides, but mainly the 218 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:03,680 Trump side, that they were not. They were thinking the opening statements wouldn't 219 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:07,160 be until May second, that it was going to take that long to pick 220 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:11,279 a jury. And you know, they miscalculated on a bunch of things, 221 00:18:11,279 --> 00:18:15,319 including I think they thought that they were getting the Jewish holidays off next week, 222 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,160 so the trial is only going to sit two days, and the whole 223 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:23,519 thing was kind of bogging down. I'm not a fan of Judge march On 224 00:18:23,839 --> 00:18:30,079 by any stretch, but I think he's run a very efficient jury selection. 225 00:18:30,599 --> 00:18:34,279 They've had some bumps, but you get that in jury selection that's just I 226 00:18:34,319 --> 00:18:40,119 mean, that's just a function of you know, the legal system crashing into 227 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:45,279 the real world, which is the kind of the most fun part about jury 228 00:18:45,279 --> 00:18:49,000 selection. But they've been very efficient and he's got you know, he's they're 229 00:18:49,039 --> 00:18:52,039 going to be able to start this trial on Monday. It's a terrible trial, 230 00:18:52,079 --> 00:18:56,720 but they will be able to get it started. So Andy on the 231 00:18:56,839 --> 00:19:02,200 if I may, on the jury question, John, you said something on 232 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,119 Fox News earlier, I think this very week, it may have been Monday 233 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:11,519 or Tuesday, that roughly fifty percent of the potential jurors were standing up in 234 00:19:11,559 --> 00:19:14,000 court and saying, oh, no, I already have an opinion about this 235 00:19:14,079 --> 00:19:17,720 man. And John said that I had never seen anything like that. We're 236 00:19:17,799 --> 00:19:22,240 half of the jury pool essentially. Disc Maybe I misunderstood John, But how 237 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:26,359 do you go from how do you go from that to seating a jury in 238 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:30,920 a week? See? The thing, Peter is that it doesn't matter, 239 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:36,880 if it doesn't necessarily matter, if you have an opinion about the person, 240 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:41,119 and it doesn't you know, I've had a couple of these cases. For 241 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:45,920 example, the when we tried the blind Shake. You know, back in 242 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,720 those days, he was a pretty notorious character and everybody had an opinion about 243 00:19:48,799 --> 00:19:52,240 him. He tried to blow up the world towers so yeah, he was 244 00:19:52,279 --> 00:19:56,799 notorious, all right, right, and we tried the case six blocks away 245 00:19:56,799 --> 00:19:59,640 from the World Trade Center, you know, I mean so right in the 246 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,319 to the eye of the storm. And the thing is, you don't want 247 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:08,759 like if somebody came into two jury selection and said the World Trade said it 248 00:20:08,799 --> 00:20:14,400 was well, hadn't heard that. You don't want people who are living under 249 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:18,960 a rock on your jury, you know, because they're weird people. And 250 00:20:18,039 --> 00:20:22,759 it's the thing is not so much whether people have an opinion like nobody likes 251 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:30,400 terrorists. What you're trying to sort through is do people can people convince you 252 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:36,720 that no matter what their baggage is, they're capable of putting it aside and 253 00:20:36,759 --> 00:20:40,599 deciding the case solely on the evidence that they hear in the courtroom and the 254 00:20:41,519 --> 00:20:45,839 different church. Right, So you have now, of course, you have 255 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:52,039 to worry about political animus. And it's true that you know, Manhattan is 256 00:20:52,079 --> 00:20:59,000 not great for Trump obviously. On the other hand, now that let me 257 00:20:59,039 --> 00:21:02,960 cop to this. I have tried a case in over twenty years, but 258 00:21:03,079 --> 00:21:11,200 I liked Manhattan juries to be honest, to be fair about it. We 259 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,839 were federal, so we were drawing the jury pool from not just Manhattan, 260 00:21:14,839 --> 00:21:18,079 but also the Bronx in Westchester. But it's not that much different. And 261 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:25,319 I acknowledge that Manhattan has changed. But I would say two things about that. 262 00:21:25,599 --> 00:21:30,440 First, I think it would be a mistake for people to think that 263 00:21:30,559 --> 00:21:37,960 the average Manhattan juror is the person who votes for Alan Bragg Alvin Bragg in 264 00:21:38,599 --> 00:21:44,839 the election. There's a vanishingly small number of people who actually vote in those 265 00:21:45,039 --> 00:21:48,799 elections, their movement progresses. I think Bragg's election there was like eighty thousand 266 00:21:48,799 --> 00:21:56,759 people voted in a county of well over two million people. So Trump is 267 00:21:56,759 --> 00:22:00,960 not without support in Manhattan. And secondly, the thing that you have to 268 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:06,880 remember about this is Bragg needs twelve Trump needs one. He just if he 269 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:11,079 gets. If he gets a hung jury here, then that's a win for 270 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:15,880 him. I also have a theory. You know, who knows if this 271 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:22,559 will work or up, But I have a theory where they could convict and 272 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,599 yet the case could get thrown out. As I understand New York law, 273 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,559 I mean maybe we should say, maybe I should say something just generally speaking 274 00:22:30,599 --> 00:22:37,880 about what the case is about. The case is a business records falsification case 275 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,880 which Bragg has tried if that's a misdemeanor in New York with a two year 276 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:47,359 statute of limitations, and we're talking about conduct that happened in twenty seventeen, 277 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:56,079 Bragg has inflated that into a felony with what's supposed to be a five but 278 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,839 turns out to be because of COVID a six year statute of limitations. That's 279 00:22:59,839 --> 00:23:03,440 how he gets in under the wire. And the way he does that is 280 00:23:03,319 --> 00:23:07,759 the extra fact you have to prove to make it a felony is that you 281 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:14,640 falsified your business record with the fraudulent intent to conceal another crime. So the 282 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:19,240 whole case will be did he intend to conceal another crime? That's the whole 283 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:25,480 case correct precisely, And what I think Peter, looking at New York law, 284 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,839 I think Trump is entitled to what's known in the law as a lesser 285 00:23:30,839 --> 00:23:37,440 included offense instruction. The lesser included offense is basically, if you have two 286 00:23:37,519 --> 00:23:42,160 offenses like we just described, right, falsification of records and falsification of records 287 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:48,279 to conceal another crime. The latter is called the greater offense because it has 288 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:55,039 one extra element than the lesser one. Otherwise they're completely common. The things 289 00:23:55,039 --> 00:23:59,319 that jury have to find are the same elements, except the greater one has 290 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,799 the extra element. In those situations, even though Bragg did not put misdemeanors 291 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:11,240 in the indictment, he's got it as thirty four felonies. Correct. Trump 292 00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:18,519 is entitled. Trump's defense is entitled to ask for a lesser included instruction, 293 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:23,160 which means the jury gets told if they think it's rational to come out this 294 00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:29,400 way, that you can convict him on the misdemeanor and acquit him on the 295 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,720 felony the felony. And if that were to happen, you know, if 296 00:24:33,759 --> 00:24:37,160 the jury's got an itch that they have to convict him of something because he's 297 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:41,119 Trump, but they don't think that Bragg has made the greater offense. They 298 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,559 could convict him on the misdemeanors and then the case would have to get thrown 299 00:24:45,599 --> 00:24:52,279 out because the statue of limitations ran on the misdemeanors in twenty nineteen. So 300 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,880 if I'm Trump's defense, I'm pushing for that instruction. And you know, 301 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,400 contrary to what some people have said about this, this doesn't mean that Trump 302 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:04,079 has to cop to the misdemeanor and he's got pretty you know, he's got 303 00:25:04,079 --> 00:25:08,920 some good defenses to work with here, including uh that even with the misdemeanor, 304 00:25:10,279 --> 00:25:14,559 you have to show an intent to defraud, and there's no This is 305 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,720 kind of like the civil fraud case in the sense that there's no victim of 306 00:25:17,759 --> 00:25:21,359 fraud here. You know, there was no tax evasion. There's no you 307 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:26,440 know, person or entity that got that was either targeted to lose money or 308 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,799 or any of the like. So I think Bragg's gonna have a tough time 309 00:25:29,839 --> 00:25:33,279 with the And you ask one more four of you question that, I will 310 00:25:33,319 --> 00:25:34,799 shut up and let James and Rob take it from here. But here's the 311 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:41,079 overt Rob, the noted Trump defender and partisan. I think that's exactly right. 312 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,799 Here's the defense. I am seeing a little ray of sunshine in your 313 00:25:45,839 --> 00:25:49,559 description, Andy, and the sunshine would be as follows. Alvin Bragg should 314 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,519 never have brought this case. I know that because I read Andy McCarthy. 315 00:25:55,319 --> 00:25:57,960 No similar case would ever have been brought against any figure other than Donald Trump. 316 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,319 Alvin Bragg is engaging in a travesty against justice. That's one thing, 317 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:08,839 but it would be another thing if the entire legal system, if the jury 318 00:26:08,839 --> 00:26:14,279 pool here in Manhattan were some way or other likewise to engage in such a 319 00:26:14,319 --> 00:26:21,960 travesty. And what you're saying is that a misguided, progressive, overtly political 320 00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:27,200 da is not going to be able to get this past the legal system and 321 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,559 the jury and a jury of Donald Trump's peers, so to speak, in 322 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:37,039 Manhattan. The trial might be fair, even if the charges against him are 323 00:26:37,839 --> 00:26:41,599 are outrageous. I think the trial has a lot better chance of being fair 324 00:26:42,319 --> 00:26:47,640 than, say, for example, the civil fraud case, which was a 325 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:52,920 bench trial before an elected progressive Democrat. And you know, Peter, if 326 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:57,000 that's not true, then what the hell was the purpose of complaining about the 327 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,759 bench trial. I mean, everybody said he should have had a jury, 328 00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:03,880 he was entitled to a jury. Well, why do we care about that? 329 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,039 We care about that because he might actually get a fair shake from a 330 00:27:08,079 --> 00:27:12,440 jury. Now I want to be you know, this is one of these 331 00:27:14,599 --> 00:27:19,519 sort of inside baseball things about how trials work. To me, the most 332 00:27:19,519 --> 00:27:25,920 important unstated dynamic in a trial is how the judge treats the case, and 333 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:32,559 particularly how the judge treats the prosecution. And if the judge treats the prosecution 334 00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:37,440 like it's serious business, and he doesn't seem to be overtly unfair to the 335 00:27:37,519 --> 00:27:41,839 defendant. And let's remember now we're talking about what the jury will think here. 336 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,920 We're not talking about like what a bunch of US nerds have been reading 337 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:52,480 the newspapers about this case intensely for however many years. The jury is not 338 00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:56,960 us. They don't you know, they don't live and die with this stuff. 339 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,680 They're not as locked into it. So this is going to be more 340 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,319 of a matter of first impression for them. Even if they have some predispositions 341 00:28:03,319 --> 00:28:07,799 about Trump, they're going to be powerfully influenced. If Judge Merchon does not 342 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:15,240 come off as overtly unfair to Trump, the jury could be very influenced by 343 00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:21,279 how he treats the prosecution. And that's a dynamic that goes on in every 344 00:28:21,319 --> 00:28:23,920 trial. And it calls on Trump's lawyers to do a very good job, 345 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,680 because you know, they have to be kind of upbeat and friendly and appealing 346 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,440 to the jury and not fight with the judge if the judge doesn't seem to 347 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:38,599 be being unreasonable, and rely on their ability to convince the jury that this 348 00:28:38,759 --> 00:28:44,039 case is terrible. And the other thing about Manhattan juries that we need to 349 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:49,720 bear in mind is you cannot live in Manhattan and not know that Alvin Bragg 350 00:28:49,799 --> 00:28:56,079 does not enforce the laws against against serious time. So you're going to have 351 00:28:56,119 --> 00:29:00,240 people who are going to be sitting in there wondering why do we have like 352 00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:07,920 real criminals walking the street and we're in here on falsification of business records in 353 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,599 a case where no one was defrauded. That and hey, Rob, that 354 00:29:12,599 --> 00:29:15,880 that to me is a as a resident of Manhattan. It seems to me 355 00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:22,240 that your jury pool is tainted by this simple walk through you know, City 356 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,960 Hall Plaza or wherever to you that jury room. There's not a jur in 357 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:33,920 that room who had did not was not slightly on edge taking the subway down 358 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,160 to City Hall or wherever. This's the you know, wherever the courthouse is. 359 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,680 This is not a good look for the DA or the DA office as 360 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:48,359 you make your way through a borough of Manhattan that seems ungoverned and unpoliced to 361 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:56,880 a very strange accounting irregularity trial that is being covered by worldwide media. I 362 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,759 mean, I guess I would say, is like, is there anything I 363 00:29:59,759 --> 00:30:06,799 mean, I could have it wrong? The the larger crime, right the 364 00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:11,880 one that's on top of the misdemeanor is going to be something like that, 365 00:30:11,319 --> 00:30:17,599 like election like kind of a is that? How are they gonna call him 366 00:30:17,599 --> 00:30:21,960 that? I understand the business records, but what's the bigger one called? 367 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,559 What's it's? Well, there's two. Basically he's got a tax theory too, 368 00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:33,079 but that really doesn't doesn't work, and just quickly so we can dismiss 369 00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:37,279 it. The tax theory doesn't work because the way they paid Cone was this 370 00:30:37,359 --> 00:30:41,599 is about the reimbursement of Cone, right, okay, pone pays Stormy, 371 00:30:41,079 --> 00:30:47,400 then Trump reimburses Cohen, and Trump being Trump, he doesn't just pay him. 372 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:52,720 They have to do it over and installments over eleven months and all this 373 00:30:52,759 --> 00:30:57,039 stuff. The reason I think the tax theory doesn't work is what they did 374 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:02,079 to pay him back the one hundred and thirty grand. They doubled it, 375 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,720 and they call that grossing up to accounts for the taxes he would have to 376 00:31:04,759 --> 00:31:11,480 pay if that was considered to be income. So they actually specifically thought about 377 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,640 the tax situation and paid him extra. So so not only do those jurors 378 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,640 have to walk through, you know, the jungle of Manhattan to see what 379 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:26,400 the DA's priorities are. But they've also four days ago filed their complicated, 380 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:33,079 impenetrable, impossible to understand federal tax return. This is not this is not 381 00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:36,640 going to be a sympathetic jury. Okay, now I understand. 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What you know in a sense though, when you were saying before 421 00:34:12,519 --> 00:34:15,000 that you could get high between the time you get off the subway and you 422 00:34:15,039 --> 00:34:21,440 get there because clouds of choking reefer fumes settled upon Manhattan. We have the 423 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,400 same thing here in Minneapolis is a little bit less extent, and I almost 424 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,199 want to do to pull away from the Trump thing here and go to a 425 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:32,480 general question about society where we're headed here in Minneapolis, they're about to raise 426 00:34:32,519 --> 00:34:37,760 the price of cigarettes to fifteen bucks a pack before taxes. That's expensive, 427 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,239 and at the same time the state is telling us, here is your marijuana, 428 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,239 Go smoke this. And we have a strange set of priorities being handed 429 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,559 to us by our betters, a disconnect that Rob spoke about before and that 430 00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:52,000 you were spoke speaking about. To what extent do you think this actually is 431 00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:57,760 going to grow and play a role in moving forward when everybody takes a look 432 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,960 at what was done with Trump and what isn't done with the people who, 433 00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:06,239 shall we say, upbraid the you know, the the cities and societies in 434 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,280 which we live. Are we just kind of now conditioned to slump and take 435 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:15,159 it. And as long as they're going after guys like Trump gears, it's 436 00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:22,119 not affecting me. I think people feel really powerless to to do anything about 437 00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:25,400 it. Part of the part of the appeal of Trump. I think even 438 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:30,559 among people who you know at bottom don't think he's a very good person, 439 00:35:31,159 --> 00:35:35,440 what they like is he's like the one thing that puts a thumb in the 440 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,199 eye of all the things that they feel powerless about. And I think that's 441 00:35:39,199 --> 00:35:44,400 a big part of the attraction. But I don't know, I don't, 442 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:50,559 I don't. I don't get the sense that James that that people, you 443 00:35:50,599 --> 00:35:53,119 know, people suddenly got pushed to the point where they can't take it anymore 444 00:35:53,159 --> 00:35:59,960 and they're going to push backing it. Yeah, And I always remind people 445 00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:05,840 even as we as we get alarmed by the fact that murder is creeping up 446 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,480 in New York again. I think it's down from twenty twenty, twenty twenty 447 00:36:10,559 --> 00:36:15,000 three, was down from twenty twenty two, but it's still significantly higher than 448 00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:21,679 it was in twenty nineteen, and almost twice as high. But you know, 449 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,480 what we're worried about or talking about is like four hundred and fifty homicides. 450 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:30,440 I don't remember what the exact number is. I think in nineteen ninety 451 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:37,000 one we had close to twenty five hundred homicides in New York City. And 452 00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:40,199 I just point out that despite we're talking about like five times more than we 453 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:47,079 have down, we had record crime from you know, the late sixties into 454 00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:53,000 the nineties before crime was driven down in a very revolutionary way, but it 455 00:36:53,039 --> 00:37:00,960 got awfully awfully bad before there was a backlash against it. People were willing 456 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,840 to vote for Rudy. Yeah, and they weren't really happened. Yeah, 457 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,440 it's true. And Peter, they weren't four years earlier. You know, 458 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,440 Dinkins beat him. I wouldn't say handily. He was fairly close to election, 459 00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:15,239 but he lost four years before and then went back to the well after 460 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:22,480 four years of Dinkins. And the way crime got pushed down from nineteen ninety 461 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:27,920 one to about twenty fourteen or so was astonishing, But it was awfully bad 462 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,880 from the late sixties until nineteen ninety one. So I just don't think in 463 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:37,280 my experience at least, and I've had a lot of experience, unfortunately with 464 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:44,440 crime in that area in New York, I just think things could get a 465 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:51,800 lot worse before they get better. So stop and I hope that's wrong. 466 00:37:52,039 --> 00:37:57,280 Stop whining, Rob, It's going to get much worse. Yeah, Andy, 467 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:02,760 do you ever feel like I mean? As a New Yorker there was 468 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:12,079 a constant cultural story from the end of World War Two to nineteen ninety which 469 00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:14,760 was the high water mark of low water mark of murders in New York City, 470 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:15,880 depending on how you look at it. You know, classes half full 471 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:21,079 of glasses half empty. That's a long time. Forty years, forty years 472 00:38:21,079 --> 00:38:23,440 of culture, and the forty years said one thing over and over again. 473 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:29,159 The city is going to get worse and worse and worse. This is normal. 474 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,199 It is normal for the city to get worse. It can never get 475 00:38:32,199 --> 00:38:36,679 better. So you look at the culture of the seventies and you look at 476 00:38:36,679 --> 00:38:38,800 what they were people talking about the city. It was always gritty and nasty 477 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,639 and horrible, and you know, the naked city, all that stuff. 478 00:38:40,679 --> 00:38:45,440 People have been saying. That's to telling that story forever. And then suddenly 479 00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:50,320 changes took forty years though, forty years of sort of your brain imprinting that 480 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,079 the New York City's a gritty place. And it kind of changed and went 481 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,239 and became this place that you know when I came back to it after Juliani, 482 00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,519 but there was kind of unrecognizable. There's people city outside, people sitting 483 00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:02,760 out. It's not a herald square having a sandwich. Bryant Park was this 484 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:07,119 glorious place you could go and enjoy your avenue in here. Get You could 485 00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:08,719 get a glass of wine at Brian Park and sit outside and drink it. 486 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:13,480 It's crazy like Paris. I live right close to Washington Square Park. Washington 487 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,159 Square Park was surrounded by fencing for most of my growing up, and now 488 00:39:16,199 --> 00:39:21,480 it's like you walk up. Mean, it's plumes of weed and some other 489 00:39:21,519 --> 00:39:23,559 trouble there, but basically it's kind of a big city park. It's lovely. 490 00:39:25,039 --> 00:39:34,400 It does feel like people's tolerance for going back is shorter, the idea. 491 00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:36,519 There's a whole bunch of young people who live in New York City who 492 00:39:36,519 --> 00:39:38,960 do not remember in New York City nineteen eighty five. They remember a night 493 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,559 in New York City when they moved here, when it was not a dump. 494 00:39:43,639 --> 00:39:46,000 I mean it's not. And even now there's standards here people complaining that 495 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,239 New York City all the time. I'm like, listen, you weren't here 496 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,239 in nineteen eighty nine. You should have seen it. Do you think that 497 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:58,119 helps that there's this tighter cycle now that there's a snap back that's much faster, 498 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:04,639 that nobody believes that this the city has to be a chaotic crime written 499 00:40:04,639 --> 00:40:10,119 disaster. Well, I think you're right about the short timeframe and that having 500 00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:14,480 a lot to do with people's tolerance to me, and I don't want to 501 00:40:14,519 --> 00:40:17,440 like read my view on it too much on people who haven't been in law 502 00:40:17,519 --> 00:40:24,639 enforcement. But one of the things that's really frustrating about the surgeon crime for 503 00:40:24,679 --> 00:40:30,840 the last ten years, and especially the last five years or so, is 504 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:37,079 that up until nineteen ninety one or thereabouts, you could say, you know, 505 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,000 we were in this miasma of like what are we gonna what are we 506 00:40:40,039 --> 00:40:45,239 gonna do about this? But crime didn't come down randomly. Crime came down 507 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:50,719 because of a plan. We have, like a plan we know what works, 508 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,280 right, you know, it's they called it broken windows. That was 509 00:40:53,360 --> 00:41:00,920 part of it. It was really intelligence based policing where instead of the instead 510 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:05,280 of this idea where the cop goes out to his same assignment every day and 511 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,119 they stay in their cars and they don't do what Bratton and those guys did 512 00:41:09,519 --> 00:41:15,880 under Rudy's stewardship and Ray Kelly was great on this as well, and his 513 00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:22,119 two tenures was they would study the stats and they would deploy police to the 514 00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:27,280 places where crime was starting to signal that it might be surging, so that 515 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,679 they didn't allow it to surge. But can I just I guess my pessimistic 516 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:37,719 note here is that we're not really talking about crime. We're technically talking about 517 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,519 crime. But when I walk around New York City, I'm not worried that 518 00:41:39,519 --> 00:41:45,079 someone's gonna mug me. I'm worried that some lunatic is going to do something 519 00:41:45,159 --> 00:41:51,119 unpredictable, irrational and violent. And so I'm asking law and force. I 520 00:41:51,159 --> 00:41:53,599 mean, broken windows theory is great, but we're not talking about broken windows 521 00:41:53,639 --> 00:41:58,519 here. We're talking about broken brains. And I just don't understand how you're 522 00:41:58,639 --> 00:42:05,039 asking cops and and and I mean even God, you know, forbid Da 523 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:09,280 Bragg to solve a crime problem. And notice they always go when you talk 524 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,480 about crime, well, actually you know crime is enough, Actually you know 525 00:42:12,519 --> 00:42:14,639 crime is down. They have all the statistics to prove that it's not a 526 00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:16,159 problem. Whereas the evidence of your eyes and ears is that you walk around 527 00:42:16,159 --> 00:42:19,599 New York City, you walk around any big city in America, that there 528 00:42:19,639 --> 00:42:22,440 is a problem. It's a mental health problem, and it's dangerous. It's 529 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:27,119 not funny, it's not cute, it's not quaint, it's not remember the 530 00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:29,599 bag lady. People make fun of bag ladies. Ah, that's kind of 531 00:42:29,639 --> 00:42:34,480 fun. No, this is like these are weirdo, crazy crackpot ambulatory psychotics, 532 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:39,599 pushing people in front of trains, and I'm not sure that the old 533 00:42:39,639 --> 00:42:45,760 solutions are gonna do much. Yeah, we always had a little crazy on 534 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:50,119 the street, but nothing, nothing like now. The other thing, Rob 535 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,119 is that when I was a kid, you know, New York was always 536 00:42:55,719 --> 00:43:01,039 a leftist center place in terms of just a pulolitical elites. But it wasn't 537 00:43:01,639 --> 00:43:07,440 you know, it wasn't like a hard left Marxist progressive and I had Dutch 538 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,800 owned it when you were a kid, right, when you're well. When 539 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,679 I was a kid, though I grew growing up where I grew up in 540 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,519 the Bronx, everybody was a Democrat and the neighborhood and the neighborhood was conservative. 541 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,800 Yeah, they were conservative Democrats. These are the people who voted for 542 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,360 Bill Buckley in nineteen sixty five, sixty five. I think it was right 543 00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:30,280 and discovered that there were when the Queens and the Bronx and Staten Island who 544 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:35,039 were for this crazy conservative Republican because they were conservative people. Yeah, and 545 00:43:35,079 --> 00:43:38,840 they were the least patient with John Lindsay, who was like the original limousine 546 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:44,960 liberal. Right. But the thing is, back then it wasn't like we 547 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,400 didn't always have like this Marxist fringe. It's the problem is it's now not 548 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:55,519 a fringe. They've actually taken over the government and it's much worse than it 549 00:43:55,559 --> 00:44:00,199 than it ever was at that level. And as a result, even though 550 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:07,360 I don't think this is representative of people's ordinary people's sensibilities, the government is 551 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:14,880 officially hard progressive, and as a result we have the mental health policies that 552 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:22,039 have rafts of crazy people doing crazy stuff on the street. We have these 553 00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:27,000 progressive prosecutors as crime was going up, thinking that the way you deal with 554 00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:32,960 this is by dismantling the carceral state, which means let everybody out of the 555 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,920 prisons, even though the people in the neighborhoods which are who are tormented by 556 00:44:38,039 --> 00:44:46,719 crime actually want more policing. But the cities being run by mostly white lefty 557 00:44:47,039 --> 00:44:52,280 lunatics, and the people who are living with the consequences of it are the 558 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:57,719 people who live in these poorer neighborhoods where the crime is the highest. Yeah, 559 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,079 false consciousness, that's the problem. You're absolutely right, Andy, And 560 00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:02,480 I know we got to let you go, but you're absolutely right. As 561 00:45:02,559 --> 00:45:07,639 Rob was saying before, we couldn't do anything about crime, and then Juliani, 562 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:12,440 we can do something about crime. And now we shouldn't do anything about 563 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,840 these issues. That's what I always hear from these people. We shouldn't do 564 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:21,280 it until we address the root causes in the systemic systemism. That they're not 565 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,760 interested in doing anything about these things at all. They're illustrative and they're helpful, 566 00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:29,400 and you, as usual, have been illustrative and helpful. And I 567 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:34,840 hope our listeners have a clearer, a firmer, dryer grasp on what's going 568 00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,920 on with the Trump cases. And of course we will talk to you later 569 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,079 about the same thing, because this ain't going away. Annie McCarthy, always 570 00:45:39,079 --> 00:45:42,960 a pleasure. Thanks, guys, have a great meets. Any will you 571 00:45:43,039 --> 00:45:46,920 quit sitting around and appearing on Fox News and run for governor once we get 572 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:52,559 Trenton and Newmark and Jersey City show The Way to New York show the Way 573 00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:57,000 will you please? Yeah? I don't know. They don't want a guy 574 00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,599 from the Bronx. You know. First of all, I say Trenton and 575 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:07,599 you know, so come come home, come home. Time for you to 576 00:46:07,639 --> 00:46:10,920 come home and run the city. Andy, have a great weekend. Thanks 577 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,000 you too, You know A couple of things about New York as long as 578 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:19,840 we're still on the subject and you guys are still there. One, the 579 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,280 the crazies, the the I'm sure it's probably a wrong word, the challenged. 580 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:29,079 It seems like there's more of them. They're more flamboyant, and they're 581 00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:32,360 they're meaner, and they're weirder than they used to be. It's drugs. 582 00:46:32,599 --> 00:46:36,840 I I don't think we're dealing with a lot of people here who since their 583 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,719 adolescent period have started to have something go awry with their brain chemistry. I 584 00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:45,480 think you have a lot of people to have fried on drugs, and you 585 00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:51,679 know it's I hate to say this because people get angry, but marijuana does 586 00:46:51,679 --> 00:46:54,119 it too. I think the amount of psychosis you probably can get people who've 587 00:46:54,119 --> 00:46:58,760 been doing a lot of we'd modern day varieties of it is hi. So, 588 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,000 yeah, you got more crazy people out there, not because they opened 589 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,800 the doors of the asylum. I still go on to Reddit and you will 590 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,119 still find people convinced that the reason that you have people sleeping and pushing people 591 00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:14,519 in front of cars in Rob's old hometown of Venice is because Ronald Reagan threw 592 00:47:14,559 --> 00:47:17,239 open the asylum doors in the nineteen eighties. Personally, Ronald Reagan opened the 593 00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:21,559 doors and then kicked everybody out, dragged them out by their callers, completely 594 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,639 unilateral action. The second thing I would note, and both you guys there 595 00:47:24,679 --> 00:47:29,239 in Gotham can give me your opinion about this. Rob and I had argued 596 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,360 about this before, but maybe Peter with a fresh set of eyes. The 597 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:39,280 one thing I hate hate about New York these days is all the scaffolding. 598 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:45,960 It's permanent, doesn't go away, it's not there to protect anybody. Usually, 599 00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:52,239 it's part of these interminable restoration efforts. And there's tax reasons for it, 600 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:57,440 there's landmarking, there's all kinds of reasons for it. But have you 601 00:47:57,519 --> 00:47:59,760 noticed that, Peter, that when you walk down the street would used to 602 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:04,239 be like you know, Manhattan, the street, beautiful old brick buildings. 603 00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,320 You are now shuttling through these like a rat, through these dank green tunnels 604 00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:12,960 with metal pipes, and it's straight out of the Batman movie in nineteen eighty 605 00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:15,880 nine. Yeah, there is a huge amount of that. In fact, 606 00:48:15,079 --> 00:48:19,000 I was walking down Park Caven who paid a kind of homage to where Bill 607 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,239 and Pat Buckley used to live in their whole building is covered in scaffolding. 608 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:28,880 Now, I took it as I did. We landed in Newark and took 609 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,519 an uber in and the skyline. Thought to myself, oh my goodness, 610 00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:36,599 the skyline has been transformed since I moved out, and it was California. 611 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,360 Yeah, yeah, And so I thought to myself, I mean, you 612 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,760 know, in California, all you hear about New York is in decline. 613 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,719 Everybody's moving to Florida. That's not quite the case. There's an enormous amount 614 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:51,880 of growth and energy. Rob Long is here, for example. So I 615 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,199 sort of took it as these buildings have to get refurbished. This is a 616 00:48:55,199 --> 00:48:59,480 good sign. There's investment. The co ops are putting up the money to 617 00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,000 do what needs to be done to keep the buildings intent for another fifty years. 618 00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:05,320 But of course it's New York, so the government will be involved. 619 00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,800 There's some corruption involved there, a tax cuts, ice, a huge boondog, 620 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:12,000 right, because the scaffolding is very expensive and it's hard to reserve. 621 00:49:12,039 --> 00:49:14,440 You had to reserve ahead of time, so they put up the scaffolding way 622 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,440 before they need to. And there's new kinds of scaffolding now that it's like 623 00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:22,760 kind of these weird kind of pretty white umbrella things that are lit that are 624 00:49:23,159 --> 00:49:30,360 making scaffolding and the building scaffolding somehow more attractive. There's with like plastic flowers 625 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:37,400 stuff, which is somehow even creepier. And there's a lot there has been 626 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:38,440 a lot of construction, but a lot of it. It's just that there's 627 00:49:38,519 --> 00:49:44,119 a a few places you must have it. It's insurance and regulations and whatever 628 00:49:44,159 --> 00:49:46,280 you're doing you must have. And this is sort of new, kind of 629 00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:52,559 new from past twenty five years when a bunch of when a bunch of stuff 630 00:49:52,599 --> 00:49:57,000 fell off masonry, fell off a building and killed somebody on the sidewalk. 631 00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:01,360 And now all these buildings need to have their their facade mationary or their facade 632 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:06,360 of any kind inspected every X number of years, which means scaffolding. So 633 00:50:07,079 --> 00:50:10,480 it's a it's a very strange thing. But like most of these things, 634 00:50:10,519 --> 00:50:16,280 I think it has to do with a government regulation, a regulated industry, 635 00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:27,800 shortages and compliance with a whole bunch of legal and you know, city ordinances, 636 00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:32,400 and not so much the practical need for workers to get uh and walk 637 00:50:32,679 --> 00:50:37,960 on the outside of a building. That to me feels like like I don't 638 00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,079 know why you have to build scaffolding just to just to I mean, I 639 00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:43,760 don't know about it. Maybe you do, but just it seems to me 640 00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,880 to be Yeah, it seems to me that it's a that it is like 641 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:53,840 most things, it is the product of an overregulated, uh and over insured 642 00:50:53,960 --> 00:51:00,039 and over over protective, bureaucratic state. I'm a fast walker, which is 643 00:51:00,039 --> 00:51:02,679 why I like New York. I got to New York and I'm telling New 644 00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:07,440 Yorkers to get it out of the way and having everybody shut it put into 645 00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,719 these tunnels with choke points and the rest of it requires you know, you 646 00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:15,800 got to do your radar scanning down down the sidewalks right, Yes, much 647 00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:17,119 better to rains. And then you're like looking for the scalpeling. But I 648 00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:22,079 get it right, And so Peter, how long has it been since you've 649 00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:27,519 been there, to the large apple, Since I've been here for a very 650 00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:31,320 quick business trip, it's probably been So I'm in the middle of Manhattan for 651 00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:36,559 almost a week, and it has been probably a decade and a half since 652 00:51:36,599 --> 00:51:38,760 I spent that much time in Manhattan. So you've seen some of the new 653 00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:44,559 substantial construction that's taken place, which the new substantial those needle buildings. There 654 00:51:44,639 --> 00:51:46,000 is nothing wrong. I was just thinking about this as Robin Andy. We're 655 00:51:46,039 --> 00:51:50,880 talking about the mental homeless. There is no doubt that that's true. The 656 00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,280 sense the anxiety is not I'm going to get a knife in the back or 657 00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,119 somebody's going to hold me up on the street, which by the way, 658 00:51:58,119 --> 00:52:00,239 did happen to me in the old days. Somebody who just stopped me on 659 00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:04,840 the street and to give me your money, and I said, here, 660 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:09,000 sorry, I don't have more great physical coward good man. That's a good 661 00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,960 man only, which it could be more, my good man. Yes, 662 00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:19,920 exactly, clouds of marijuana tattoos. But from maybe the third or fourth floor 663 00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:22,920 up, there's no mental illness in Manhattan. It's this is what we're talking 664 00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:28,360 about, is the streets. Sadly enough, everybody, even those rich rich 665 00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,440 people way up in those needle towers, have to come down to the street, 666 00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:35,480 or every so often at least they have to come down to the street, 667 00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:39,440 and the walking through clouds of marijuana getting on the subway, as I 668 00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:44,960 did just now, following Rob's directions to come from uptown to downtown, and 669 00:52:45,159 --> 00:52:49,239 just you know, you're scanning, you're looking more than you feel as though 670 00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,119 you ought to for the crazy person you're looking for. Where's the car that 671 00:52:52,159 --> 00:53:00,039 nobody's in, Because I shouldn't go in that car either. It's unnerve in 672 00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:07,280 a place where, from the second floor up, this town is filled with 673 00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:15,079 brains and talent and ambition and energy. It's an astonishing place that ought pretty 674 00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:19,599 easily to be even better. When I say pretty easily, we all know 675 00:53:19,679 --> 00:53:22,079 that if Andy McCarthy were made mayor, this place would get turned around in 676 00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,840 two months. I've been on the second floor of the CVS and Times Squares 677 00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:30,000 full of lunatics. But I know what you mean when the billionaires come down. 678 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:34,920 But Frand Leeboo's famously said that the outdoors is what I passed through from 679 00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,920 my lobby to the tent to the taxi. Right, so those people are 680 00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,880 going to be insulated no matter what in billionaire's row. But no, you're 681 00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,960 you're absolutely correct. Still love the city, wouldn't live there if you paid 682 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:49,960 me. It takes about three or four days before I throw up my hands 683 00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,320 or my sharma and say you one, that's it, that's it, that's 684 00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,239 it. I'm still never forgetting anally with this. When I went to the 685 00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,599 National Review Christmas party. Robbie should have been there. I know you were 686 00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:01,679 giving a lecture to some mutes or something. I was talking to youths. 687 00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,639 He's coming back to that. I was still a little hungry, and I 688 00:54:05,639 --> 00:54:08,599 thought, and I'm walking back to my hotel through the bustling crowds, Christmas 689 00:54:08,679 --> 00:54:13,400 time, lights everywhere, beautiful, just New York. And it's absolutely finest 690 00:54:13,519 --> 00:54:17,199 there. It is a Sabrett's hot dog place, the Bretts Sabrettes subratrite. 691 00:54:17,519 --> 00:54:20,920 Okay, I wish I've been Hebrew nationally the best. But you know, 692 00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:22,559 I said, you know, I haven't had a New York street dog in 693 00:54:22,599 --> 00:54:25,000 a long time. This is great. I walk up. I talked to 694 00:54:25,039 --> 00:54:29,440 the guy, how are you my friend? What would you like? I'm 695 00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:30,960 his friend, he's my friend. We're having a New York experience. I 696 00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:35,360 gave him the money, cooks the dog. He puts the bun on everything, 697 00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,679 and I just slather a little ketchup on it. And I'm sorry Mustard. 698 00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,760 And I walked down the street saying, here I am. I've done 699 00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:44,440 it. I went to New York with a party. I had a party 700 00:54:44,559 --> 00:54:49,800 up at a skyscraper, drank fine Scotch walked through the city, was not 701 00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:53,559 molested. The lights twinkling above the new cranes of the JP Morgan. I'm 702 00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:55,960 in New York and I took a bite of my hot dog and it was 703 00:54:57,559 --> 00:55:05,440 ice cold, absolutely ice cold. I got it for you. We make 704 00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,960 it cold for you. We make it very cool for I extract all the 705 00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:13,320 heat out of it whatsoever. And I thought I can dump this right now, 706 00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,559 which I did, knowing that Pizza rat is going to get it some 707 00:55:15,639 --> 00:55:19,239 you know, Pizza vermin is going to pick it out and in the site 708 00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,679 continues. But I thought that was perfect. That was I may idjus your 709 00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:27,519 your your culinary. I know you walked out of forty probably forty fourth Street 710 00:55:27,519 --> 00:55:32,079 and took a left right on sixth Avenue. The Halal guys, I'm telling 711 00:55:32,079 --> 00:55:36,400 you, the Halal guys. Yeah, a bunch of carts. Usually there's 712 00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,960 a line. This was a whole all place. This is one of those 713 00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:43,039 guys. No, no, they don't. They don't sell this. They 714 00:55:43,039 --> 00:55:47,079 don't sell the dot or they sell like a chicken swarma. It is delicious. 715 00:55:47,199 --> 00:55:51,480 It's so good you can door dash it. The Hallal guys, you've 716 00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:52,960 got to say halal. Guys, if you can't say anything else, and 717 00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,679 there are four or five of them, and they have they have one downtown, 718 00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:59,880 too unbelievable. The next time I've seen them and I will take them. 719 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:06,400 I've just never trusted. I've always figured that getting meat from a streetcar 720 00:56:06,599 --> 00:56:09,639 vendor is going to result in gut griping six hours later, the likes of 721 00:56:09,679 --> 00:56:13,800 which I've never seen before and for which there is no recourse. So that's 722 00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,079 why I cannot do it. But you know what, this is what we 723 00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:19,800 should do. We should arrange. We should arrange a Ricochet meetup where by 724 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,440 Rob Longs to his favorite all guys, I'll give the architecture tour if you 725 00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:28,280 if you don't mind, h and Peter Robinson will well, you know, 726 00:56:28,679 --> 00:56:30,519 tell us of his recollections of the days when he was held up, and 727 00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:34,840 between the three of us, the artistic, the cultural and historical, we 728 00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,840 should have New York. You know, easily explained for all he said jokingly 729 00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:43,599 or not. That's part of the Ricochet meetups, which of course we'll have 730 00:56:44,039 --> 00:56:46,800 later. Rob next week you can tell us about some Yeah, but so 731 00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:50,760 coming up. This was brought to you, of course by Ricochet Dot com 732 00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,599 and by neural hackers. Support them, and you support us, and everybody's 733 00:56:53,639 --> 00:56:57,719 happy. 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