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So what do you get when you
cross near death experience, situations, out

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of body experiences, interactions with the
visible entities, with the challenges of disbelief,

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isolation, substance, misuse, and
skepticism towards spirituality. Well, of

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course you get this week's guest.
Now, today we dive into what exactly

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attaining enlightenment in today's world really means, how the ego can serve as both

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a barrier and a teacher, and
even what roles trauma, suffering and survival

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play, and how these difficult experiences
can be catalysts for profound spiritual breakthroughs.

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This is a very full episode of
The Skeptic Metaphysicians, and it starts now.

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My name is Will and I'm gar
unlike moulderin Scully, want to believe.

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So we've embarked in a journey of
discovery. We've talked to people deeply

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entrenched in the spiritual and metaphysical world. We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful

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experiences. I even joined a coven
of witches and wait, you joined a

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coven yep, all on the interest
of finding something, anything, that will

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prove that there's something beyond this physical
three dimensional world we all live in.

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This is the skeptic metaphysicians. Ray
Catania, Welcome to the Skeptical and Positions.

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We are so excited to have you
on the show. It's an honor

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and a privilege to be with you
today. Thank you, guys, I

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really appreciate you having me. Well, I'm impressed that he said that before

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the interview. I know. Well, that's because it's before the interview.

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Well, you might just be slipping
out of the end. Where do you

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go? Well, longtime listeners have
known this about us, and we can

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either confirm or deny that one of
us in the room might have been looking

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for spiritual enlightening, pretty enlightenment pretty
much their entire life. I can either

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confirm or deny that. So the
very first question that comes to mind,

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because you are the guy that is
going to help us all to spiritually awaken.

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Oh boy, what what could that
theoretical person be doing wrong that they

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can't actually find their way to spiritual
enlightenment? Oh my gosh. Well,

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that there are so many hypotheticals that
there could be there. First and foremost

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hypothetically, of course, I would
say that we need to define enlightenment and

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are we speaking of enlightenment like the
Buddha's enlightenment or are we talking about awakenings,

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because sometimes people refer to enlightenment as
awakenings, and I think we have

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several awakenings on the way to enlightenment. I know I'm not enlightened, and

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I'm not prepared to say that I
am. And I'm definitely a life longer

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just like the rest. Maybe I'll
make it, I hope too. But

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I've had a lot of awakenings.
And what can prevent an awakening or a

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next level up of consciousness? Things
like not cracking the ego, still having

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it be a barrier between you and
the rest of the world, perception,

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changing your perception, altering it,
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I should say to where nothing is
neither good nor bad, but thinking makes

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it so, right. Shakespeare said
that in Hamlet, and it's very very

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true and profound. We decide what's
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that is There's a few things that
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big ones is the ego and the
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there is nothing that's good or bad. I mean, you're going to and

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of course, there's the exceptions of
some real tragedies and things of that nature,

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But for the most part, we
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don't we. Though, yes,
all the time, did we mention

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we had a day today? Right? It's so true because you go through

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the whole day thinking, Okay,
this is just a little thing. It's

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just a little thing of just a
little spec dust on the spinning sphere that's

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going around the cosmos that intestamately small
compared to And yet, Jared, how

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did you not use your blinker when
you turn just now a classic example.

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Absolutely, it's so easy to lose
your way. And then when you bring

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it into into the conversation of spiritual
awakenings when you really need to be in

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the moment and understand that everything happens
for a reason and everything that we experience

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actually helps to grow us and shape
us until we actually are And we've asked

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this question a lot, but how
do you how do you manage to keep

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that topmost of mind when you are
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life Right now? Yeah, it's
I have one foot in and one foot

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out, And I should really say
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hundred percent on one side or the
other. I still have a mortgage for

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it's put through college, et cetera, et cetera. So I'm very much

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in the rat race. But at
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when I was writing the second book. I got to the end of the

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second book, and I had been
working on this for years. I mean,

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this wasn't something. It just like
poof and happened. I had been

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doing something and I call retraining the
brain, and it's really retraining the mind.

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But that didn't rhyme. So I
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catch here. And so I was
retraining myself every time. You know,

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if a car cut me off or
something like that, I would I would

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change my perception from the idiot just
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me. And this is great.
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and over, and one day it
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There was a moment in time when
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you know, I grew up a
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a lot of anger, not a
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then I pushed the envelope. Further, for those who know my story,

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it's pretty pretty rough, and so
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anger. Right, And so here
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doing this training, I had a
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and it was an expensive car,
and I thought that was a big deal

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at the time because my father had
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was supposed to have one. Right
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of tin that gets me from point
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moment, I had an accident and
I hit a deer. And normally the

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old ray would have been ranting and
raving and yelling and screaming, and who

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knows what I would have done.
I really don't know, But what happened

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was none of that. In fact, a feeling of calmness took over my

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entire body and all I cared about
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deer? I thought I really did, because you know, it flipped over

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and over and over, it was
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really thought it was going to be
dead. And now what am I going

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to do with the dead deer?
And I got out and I went and

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I picked her up. She stood
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deer. I don't know too many
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we kind of had this moment.
She looked at me. I looked at

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her. I was like, hey, I'm sorry. She's like I'm sorry

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too, and she walked off and
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My car is trashed, but it's
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just the car. So I didn't
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first moment when I knew that my
life had completely changed. But I didn't

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know who the heck I was anymore. Why what did you just because you

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see your reaction. Yeah, so
I don't know what I'm going to do

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any You know. What happens is
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way and doing things a certain way, and I'm trying to reframe it for

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the better. And I accomplished that, but then I don't know who or

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what I am. I remember I
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next day and she's ball and she's
just crying. That's the most beautiful thing

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I've ever heard. And and I'm
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who I am anymore, Like I
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Am I gonna be able to protect
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because I can't get pissed off.
Like nothing bothers me. I don't

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care. The bills come, I
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feel like paying them my payment.
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I literally don't care. No one's
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my head. I've had that done
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So when you realize this nothing can
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It's not that you, you know. I mean I shouldn't say,

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you know, completely stop caring.
But you don't get anxious. I don't

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get revved up. I just get
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things. If i'm late, i'm
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there. Either way, it's going
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die. Nothing bad is really going
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in our heads. Hmmm. You
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want to say yes. But as
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before. You know, I have
a hard time saying, well, nothing

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could really hurt me because I you
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something could hurt me and it wouldn't
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physically to be hurt. But I
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physical. No, I've been in
two three shootouts, I worked for some

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shady characters. I've nearly died about
nine times. I've been beaten to it

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within inches of my life. Nothing
kills me. So really, no,

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I'm not scared. And when you
overcome those things over and over and over,

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they become less traumatic each time that
they happen. Mm hmm. So

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go ahead. Well, I was
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mean a big transition for me was
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So I know that if I go, I know where I'm going, So

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I'm not really scared of that.
That's a great point. Somebody want to

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talk of the after. I'm just
scared of the hel like that it's going

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to hurt. I mean, I
know I won't remember it, but well,

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I'll give you a little bit news. Okay, there's something about an

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MD. I'll share with you in
a bit when we get there. Okay,

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okay, So then how if someone
hasn't had their life beaten to an

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inch of their death and or been
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can we get ourselves to the point
where we can get into an accident and

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just go, oh dear, we'll
see. So we've all had trauma,

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and what we do is like the
Buddha told us. If you look at

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the Buddha's life, he was a
prince. He could have had anything given

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to him delivered to him. His
father was the king, right, so

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and his father said, you can
have anything you want, just never go

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beyond the walls of the compound.
So what does he do? Goes beyond

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the walls of the compound, of
course, so it looks around and sees,

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wow, this is horrible out here, no wonder, he doesn't want

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me out here. So it goes
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sneaks out a couple of more times, and what he realizes is people are

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suffering on the other side of the
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wall, everybody's got it made.
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enlightened or in order to in his
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from suffering. He must experience what
suffering is because he had no idea.

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So what he tells this is,
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the spectrum, all the bad and
all the good in order to become enlightened,

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because you can't become enlightened if you've
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I had a ton of bad,
but I had no good. I had

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no love, So it took I
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I was like fifty years old,
and that's when I had my awakening of

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fifty four, you know. So
I had enough for the bad, I

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just didn't have any of the good. And then finally I found the good

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and that was the last piece of
my puzzle. And again, I'm not

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enlightened. I'm not saying that at
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go, but I think I've got
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there. And so if you're missing
the bad, you can there are things

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that you can do. And I'm
not saying to put yourself in harms way

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where you could die, literally,
But the Buddha he went out, you

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know, and I'm not saying to
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was very dangerous. No food,
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no nothing, and just left the
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for seven years. They say could
have been longer. I don't know how

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long. But the point is that
he put himself through self and due suffering

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in order to experience. This is
why if you go to a Buddhist monastery,

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they climb up a mountain on all
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and then climb back down on all
fours every single day before they have breakfast.

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Oh good god. Wow. It's
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to yourself that you are not bothered
by the suffering. It's being okay when

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nothing is okay. Well, it's
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people that say that just our being
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all myriad of things joy, fear, anger, anguish, jealousy, rage,

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all these kinds of things, and
we all have different experiences that when

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we all come back to our home, we rejoin and we've now we've got

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the benefit of that those experiences together. Yes, so trauma's relative. I

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don't mean to cut you off.
No, No, that's perfect, that's

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where you're going. Yeah, absolutely, trauma is relative. Yeah uh so

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then but then why why do we
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me? Why? Well, you
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I do is when I work with
clients is I point out what their suffering

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was, because chances are you've gone
through it, and your suffering is the

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worst suffering in the world. Because
it's yours, My suffering is the worst.

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We don't need to do the comparison
thing. You've been there, you've

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experienced that. We're just going to
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not a victim, you're a survivor. And once you've accomplished that, you

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understand what the basis of this reality
is. Oh ray, you just gave

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me chills. That must mean real
stuff is happening here, because no,

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you're right, it wasn't. It
wasn't until very recently that I found that

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I went through trauma. Yeah,
and it had to affected me for my

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entire life without me being aware of
it. So becoming aware of it did

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help a lot. But you look
like you had a question. No,

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I'm just thinking about the monks,
you know, crawl up the hill or

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the mountain down that. So here's
a question about that. Is it really

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suffering when you know you don't have
to do it, like when you know

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you don't have to do it the
next day, or you could just walk

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down. You have to do it. You sign up, you're going to

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do it. I mean, you
could quit and walk away in shame.

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But it's going to be rough,
right, But I mean there's that option.

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Yeah, I'm not taking that option. For many guys that are going

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to take that option, Yeah,
I guess. I guess it's more like

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it's your when it's a choice to
suffer, is it as it's impactful as

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if it's not a choice. I
think it's more impactful if you inflict it

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upon yourself and you do it as
whereas if it comes out of left field.

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I think because you ultimately you may
get more out of it. I

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mean, and I'm just speculating here
because I can't. I didn't have it

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that way. I had it the
other way. There's something that Native Americans

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do and a lot of indigenous cultures
do this the world. It's called hablachia.

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If I'm not mistaken. And what
they do is when a boy is

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about the age of thirteen fourteen,
which is when they become he becomes a

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man, quote unquote, they take
him to the middle of the woods.

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They strip him of everything, no
food, no clothes, no water.

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They make a square around him with
nothing more than what they call spiritual vines,

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and it's like a ten by ten
box and they leave him there for

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four days and they come back on
the fourth day and they see what he's

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learned. By the fourth day,
you've been hallucinating. You have no right.

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So the idea is to go through
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because everyone well I think everyone does. I shouldn't say everyone does. I

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don't know. But when I first
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oh my God, sign me up. I want to do it, you

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know, I want to push myself. And don't you know, like a

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week later, I got this really
bad intestine infection, right, I totally

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manifested this. You can't tell that, and I wound up in the hospital.

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I could not eat or drink or
move for four days. Wow exactly,

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yep. And they were they were
just pumping IVS in me, and

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it was the most excruciatingly painful thing, and all I did was meditate for

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four days. I came out of
that feeling like a god. I was

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like, nothing's can bother me now, wow? Right, I mean,

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we all we talk about it a
lot about the growth happening at the edge

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of your comfort zone, and the
only way to grow is to put yourself

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into uncomfortable position. I would say, that's good. It's a little far

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from what I was thinking about.
But all I said to my wife was,

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have you heard this Hoblachia? It
was on Yellowstone and we watched it

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on Yellowstone, like the guy does
it because he wants to find a spirit

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animal, and I was like,
Wow, that's awesome. I want to

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do that. Two weeks later,
I'm in the hospital and I'm laid up

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there. You go, wow,
I'm going to watch what I say from

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now on to my Wow, you
are a powerful man, ray or she's

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a powerful woman. That's usually how
it goes, right, that's what you

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want. I've done, all right, Well, you tease a little bit

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earlier on about your NDE and I'm
really curious because those those stories really are

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a blinchpin for me. Like everyone
knows I used to be deathly afraid of

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death. Is that s the good
thing? Deathly afraid of death? Okay,

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it is today until like all these
stories of NDS have helped me tremendously

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to get beyond that. But when
we come back, we got to take

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a break. But we come back, I want to dive into your end

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and everything that goes along with it
because your story is remarkable and I want

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to make sure that we got a
chance to share that. So stay with

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the Skeptic oft A Physicians. We
are talking to Ray Katanya, who is

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a spiritual teacher. He helps people
to awaken spiritually. He helps I should

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rephrase that he helps people regain instinctually
or intuitively. He knows what might be

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missing and what tools you need to
move forward to your next step in your

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spiritual awakening. That's probably a better
way of putting it. Very good.

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Yeah, okay, So ripe.
Thank you. I love getting a taped

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for my wife, like good boy, right, that's good. Definitely better

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than the thumbs down. Yeah.
So right before the break we tease your

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nd and I don't even want to
say anything because I want to hear from

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your own words, tell us what
happened, how did it happen, and

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what happened after it happened. So
I was twenty years old and I was

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still living at home with my parents
at that moment, and my bedroom was

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located on the second floor of the
house. Right below my bedroom was the

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kitchen, and the stove ran on
natural gas, and there was a gas

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leak. So the gas was rising
all night long into my bedroom where I

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was asleep, and I was inhaling
it and breathing it in. So by

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morning my mother gets up, I
guess she turned on the stove to make

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breakfast, and it just kind of
like blew up in flames. It was

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a big ball of fire. The
wall caught on fire. My mom was

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okay, Actually she came out of
a dune scathe and the way I understand,

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my father put the fire out pretty
quickly with a fire extent was her

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So it wasn't the fire wasn't the
smoke, it was the gas. I

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was inhaling gas. Right, So, I'm upstairs and I hear the commotion.

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I hear the fire trucks, I
hear the police, I hear the

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radios, all this commotion downstairs,
and I go up to get out of

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bed to find out what the heck
is going out of my house. Right,

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So when I go to get up, this is when I first noticed

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something's terribly wrong. My legs I
can't move them at all. They just

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feel like there are a thousand pounds
each. They're just dead weight. My

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head's dead weight. I can't get
it up off the pillow. I can't

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yell because certain parts of my body
they're just not working. They're not cooperating.

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And my arms I have for some
reason, that's what I had.

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So I was able to pull myself
to the edge of the bed and I'm

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pulling and I'm pulling, and each
time I would get a little close to

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the edge, I'd pass out.
And I really get angry because I'm trying

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to stay away because to the best
of my ability, I know if I

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don't get out of the bed,
I'm dead. There's no question, no

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one's coming up here for me,
well, for whatever reason, I don't

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know. Probably you know, we'll
do that another story another day. But

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I'm coming out. I'm trying to
pull myself and finally I get to the

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edge right, and I tumble out
and I and I go down face first,

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and I hit my face first on
the hardwood floor. Right, this

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much, I know. And right
as I hit, I hear it,

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I feel it. But here's the
funny thing to your point earlier that there

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was no pain. It was almost
like right before there was going to be

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pain, I was out. I
was spared it. There you go,

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Karen. And I hears a lot
of I hear a lot of people with

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the same story, right that I've
later spoken to later in life. But

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so now I am above my body. I'm in a corner. The picture

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of the room is a perfect square, right, It's a perfect square.

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And I came out of the bed, so I'm kind of like closer to

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the farther away side, and I'm
in the corner, like a neutral corner,

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like in a boxing match, in
a neutral corner, and I'm looking

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over my dead body and I'm just
watching myself, not moving, maybe twitching

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a little bit and you know that's
it. And then adjacent to me,

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on the other side of the adjacent
corner has a huge, cone shaped white

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light. And this light is I
mean by calling it a light, it's

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an injustice. It is. It
is love, it is euphoria, it

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is painlessness. It is just absolute
pure love and euphoria. And I have

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no body now, so I'm a
part of this light. It's on me

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like I'm on a stage and the
light's on me. But I'm also part

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of that light and I can go
into it. It's like a tunnel and

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I can go into it. And
I am going into it because there's a

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being at the end of the light
that says it's okay, Ray, you

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can come in. And I'm like, wow, he knows my name.

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I don't know. I didn't know
if it's a he or she or why.

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You know, I'm not playing.
But because you're not hearing anything,

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it's a transmission of information, you
just get it right. So I'm gonna

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call it it key for now.
And he says, come into the light.

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It's safe to come into the light. And I don't trust anybody,

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and at this time in my life, but I trusted this being. So

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I go into the light and as
I go deeper, the euphoria increases.

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Let me tell you, I've done
a lot of drugs in my life.

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Nothing feels this good. Nothing hmm
no, no, no no. And

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and don't go out and try this
at home, just y the disclaimer.

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Yeah that's important, Yeah, yeah, big disclaimery. You know, sometimes

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we get accused of romanticizing this a
little bit, and then you know,

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blah blah blah. So let's you
got to come back, you got to

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finish your business. But anyway,
so I'm heading down and I want to

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go all the way to the other
side. Now what happens is my father.

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They must have heard the thumb,
right, So he comes running up

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the stairs. He kicks in the
door and he scoops me up and he's

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like, oh my god, my
son. He's crying, he's screaming for

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the paramedics. And I'm watching this
and I'm like, wow, this guy

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loves me. Like we didn't have
a good relationship at all. I didn't

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have a good relationship my parents at
all. It was fucking horrible. Sorry

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you might ast have bleep that,
but you know, I was shocked.

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I was shocked. So I asked
the being if I could go back,

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because like I always longed for that. I wanted that the man never hugged

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me. I had to be dead
for him hug me, so I wanted

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to go back and experience that.
That's the truth. And you know,

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I was allowed to come back,
and I wasn't in his arms anymore.

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I was now. When I woke
up, I was on the living room

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floor and the paramedics are doing all
kinds of things to me with their tools

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and gadgets and whatnot, and I'm
like, the euphoria is still inside me.

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So I'm like, guys, guys, get off me. I feel

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great. I feel fantastic. And
they're like, son, you're anything but

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fantastic. So just lie there and
let us do what we have to do.

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And they and I hear them talking
their lingo, like bring up the

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truck, bring up the truck.
We got to get them going, We

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got to get them go. He's
got no BP, do't BP. And

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uh, you know, I'm at
the moment, I'm just like high out

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of my mind. It's like I'm
high on an MD. It feels fantastic.

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I'm like, did you guys did
you hear the voice? Did you

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see the light? It was awesome, wasn't it. And now they're looking

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at me like I'm on drugs,
I'm crazy, and I'm going to the

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wrong hospital if I don't shrut the
hell up, all right, So I

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just stopped. I just stopped talking. I let them take me away.

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And you know, I, when
I was a kid, used to isolate

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myself a lot, you know,
to stay away from what was going on

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in my house. I'd hide in
closets and basements. In my room,

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I locked myself in the room,
and you know, it's just me and

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me, you know. And we
didn't have any cell phones, no computers,

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no nothing. So it's me,
myself and I and I'm staring at

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a wall. So it was like
hours and hours of meditating. And when

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you do hours and hours of meditating, I know today from Yogi's Who've done

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it, that we you start to
see energy. Now I didn't think anything

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of this. I was just staring
at a wall. But if you stare

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at a wall long enough, you're
gonna it's not a white wall or a

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yellow or a red wall. It
has no pain, it has no color,

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it's not made of wood anymore.
It's made of lines and you can

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see it. You can actually see
the wavy lines, and you know,

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this is again not the ideal way
to get here, but it's how I

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got there. And when I told
anybody I was crazy, and I was

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like, no, there they you
know sometimes things are floating around the right

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in the air and you know,
and you're out of your mind, and

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if you ever tell anybody that,
I will kill you. Okay, okay,

408
00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:48.839
So I just let it rest and
like I did, you know.

409
00:28:49.160 --> 00:28:52.799
Then they brought me to the hospital. I came back the next day.

410
00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:55.319
I was released. I think it
was the next day. I was really

411
00:28:55.319 --> 00:28:56.720
out of it, but trying to
figure out what I just saw what,

412
00:28:56.839 --> 00:29:02.079
you know, told my parents and
they're like, okay, you're absolutely crazy.

413
00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:03.519
Never tell anybody that again, or
I will kill you. And I

414
00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:07.200
was like, okay, I will
never tell anybody. You know, Christian

415
00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:10.319
home. There's a lot of killing
going out in your house all there,

416
00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:15.359
right, So anyway, I just
shut it down. And this is how

417
00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:19.039
I did it. I figured I
fell in front of a window and it

418
00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:23.880
was a sunny day and the white
light was the sun, and then I

419
00:29:23.960 --> 00:29:29.400
just justified it away I inhaled so
much gas that I hallucinated the voice and

420
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:32.680
everything else, and I put it
away in a box and I made it

421
00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:36.319
not real, Just like my imaginary
friends that were floating around when I was

422
00:29:36.319 --> 00:29:38.079
a kid, They're not real.
And that's what I had to do.

423
00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:42.400
And that's how I lived my life, all right. And that's a very

424
00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:45.759
common story in that part of it. In fact, I think we all

425
00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:49.759
do that on an almost daily basis. We justify miracles that happened to us,

426
00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:53.359
not quite as dramatic as yours.
But and I'm sure you've gotten the

427
00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:57.920
question a lot of times. Could
it have been the gas you inhaled making

428
00:29:57.960 --> 00:30:02.920
you visualize these things or feel these
things, to hear these things because of

429
00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:06.079
the chemical composition of the gas in
your brain, that kind of stuff.

430
00:30:06.119 --> 00:30:14.279
But you you feel this was an
out of body experience with Oh, I

431
00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:18.319
know that that had nothing to do
with the brain chemistry, absolutely absolutely.

432
00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:21.680
But I didn't have a computer that, I didn't have Google that could just

433
00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:23.640
type it in and see what it
was, right, So I had literally

434
00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:27.720
nobody to speak to. Couldn't tell
my parents, you know, didn't have

435
00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:32.400
any friends that I could talk to
about this. You know, so I

436
00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:37.880
I just had to let it go. But here's what happens. So I'm

437
00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:41.319
a kid who could see energy,
and then I die. I crossover,

438
00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:48.079
I come back right and talk about
I become like this portal for the other

439
00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:53.960
side, and I bring a whole
bunch of people back with me, people

440
00:30:55.559 --> 00:31:00.799
quote unquote energy beings, if you
will. I'm moving into my first part

441
00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:03.240
my apartment about about like twenty one
twenty two, and I'm psyched. I'm

442
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:06.319
like, this is gonna be great. It's gonna be girls, it's gonna

443
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:08.920
be parties, it's gonna be fantastic. Is gonna be off the wall.

444
00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:12.759
You know. I'm very in the
mindset of I don't care if I live

445
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:17.759
or die. I'm just living for
today. I get absolutely no reason to

446
00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:21.160
lift tomorrow. I don't care what
happens. Loaded up with drugs and alcohol,

447
00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:23.440
let's go, let's party. Here
we go. Right I get into

448
00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:27.480
this apartment. None of that ever
happens because the apartment is already filled with

449
00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:33.880
people and I didn't invite anybody over
yet. Hello there. You can't see

450
00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:37.279
them. You can feel them,
but you can't see them. And they

451
00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:40.160
can turn the TV on, TV
off and they can put the blender on,

452
00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:41.599
blender off, they could turn the
alarma on. The alarma. I

453
00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:45.960
would call the maintenance guy one hundred
times a day, and you know what

454
00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:49.119
he said to me. He said, kid, you're crazy, right,

455
00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:55.599
don't call me again again. I'm
crazy. So I'm just I'm thinking,

456
00:31:55.599 --> 00:32:00.599
Okay, I'm losing my mind and
I'll just live it out in my mind

457
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:02.559
and everything that I've been seeing since
I was young, I'm crazy and I'm

458
00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:07.799
buy into that. And then I
started drinking and using massive amounts of drugs

459
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:10.279
because I can't go to sleep and
I can't stop seeing these things because they're

460
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:19.200
all around. And so finally I
had the worst case of insomnia and I

461
00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:22.559
was just you know, taking everything
to fall asleep. That was the objective,

462
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:24.920
really was to sleep because I couldn't
sleep. And I moved into the

463
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:28.839
next apartment. I left that one, I went into another one. And

464
00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:30.000
I got there and I thought it
was going to be a fresh start.

465
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:35.200
Here we go parties. There were
none. No, as soon as I

466
00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:38.119
got there, they're all there again. And the house isn't haunted, race

467
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:43.240
haunted. They're coming with me wherever
I go. But I don't believe you

468
00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:45.839
exactly. I literally yell at them, I don't think you're real. I'm

469
00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:50.880
an atheist. I don't believe in
any of you guys. Go away.

470
00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:55.200
You know, I completely rebelled against
my family's religion. I hated it.

471
00:32:55.559 --> 00:33:00.400
I was like, absolutely no way, could there possibly be some kind of

472
00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:05.559
loving God that's going to allow this
stuff to happen to me. I'm a

473
00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:10.279
kid. I did nothing to no
one. So that was my take on

474
00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:15.200
life. You know, there's no
ass just everything goes black the end,

475
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:20.599
like the last episode of Sopranos.
That's that. Yeah, let's not that's

476
00:33:20.599 --> 00:33:23.079
a touchy something, which I really
like. I enjoyed it. I know

477
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:27.160
no one else did, but I
might have understood it a little bit.

478
00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:32.920
So it just you know, so
I lived the next ten years of my

479
00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:37.119
life and putting myself. I would
up the anny and up the anny and

480
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:42.480
put myself in worse situations and with
worse and worse people, and just you

481
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:46.960
know that didn't care, just literally
did not care. And this was after

482
00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:52.119
you're unde. Yeah yeah, so
like twenty to thirty. But then you

483
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:55.519
it's interesting, oh be oh that's
see because you put it away because you

484
00:33:55.559 --> 00:33:59.920
thought everyone's telling you that you were
crazy couldn't have happened. It's not real.

485
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:02.200
So then of course that that makes
perfect. But in the back of

486
00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:06.480
my mind, you know, I
know what I saw, I know what

487
00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:08.000
I felt, and I know the
things that are going on around me.

488
00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:12.000
So you know, there's a part
of me that's like, you know,

489
00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:15.039
if I'm crazy, I'm crazy whatever. But you know what, it's more

490
00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:19.280
likely that that was real and what's
going to happen. I'm just going to

491
00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:22.960
go back to that light, right, so don't mess with me. So

492
00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:28.000
then, how did you get from
that point where you were that angry kid,

493
00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:30.719
let's just put it that way,
that wasn't believing in anything, even

494
00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:36.199
though you had undergone that nd to
the point where you now are sitting here

495
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:39.760
helping others come to grips with the
fact that they're not going crazy. So

496
00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:45.800
first thing, first, had kids. I got married and had two kids,

497
00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:47.519
and then all of a sudden I
had a reason to live and it

498
00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:51.920
was them. There you go,
two little tiny handmians that were dependent on

499
00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:54.320
me. So I checked myself in
a rehab. I went back to college,

500
00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:57.800
got my degree, worked my way
up, got a very very good

501
00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:00.960
job, got another very very good
job work my way up the ladder,

502
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:04.320
was doing very well for myself and
the beings. They were just kind of

503
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:07.199
we had to cease fire. You
stay on your Saturday room, I stay

504
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:08.760
on mind. And that That's really
the way it was. And I just

505
00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:12.920
operated around it, and I knew
how to deal with it, you know.

506
00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:19.119
And this went on for quite some
time, and then I got divorced

507
00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:22.719
very quickly. I mean it was
like maybe three years we separated, began

508
00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:27.320
the divorce proceedings, but I still
had the kids, and you know,

509
00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:29.960
they were I was not going to
give them the life that I had.

510
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:34.880
I was going to give them everything
I didn't have and then some and perhaps

511
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:38.400
overcompensated, but whatever, you know, that's what happens. So, yeah,

512
00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:43.719
you're talking speaking to the choir,
right. We always wanted them to

513
00:35:43.719 --> 00:35:46.840
have better, and they're like,
I gave them everything whatever, but maybe

514
00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:52.280
a little too much. Yeah,
But you know, I think for the

515
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:53.400
all, for the most part,
they came out good. But what they

516
00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:57.199
did for me was way more than
what I did for them, I think,

517
00:35:57.239 --> 00:36:00.599
and and and I dedicated you know, the book to them because it

518
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:05.639
was really it was about that.
So but for a long time. I

519
00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:07.679
don't date, and that's because I
don't want to bring another woman into my

520
00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:10.840
young boys lives. I got two
boys, and I'm going to bring another

521
00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:15.559
woman and I'm gonna get really angry. So I didn't date for a very

522
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:19.480
long time. And then finally I
decide that I am going to date seriously.

523
00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:21.320
I made him. I have a
couple of things here and there,

524
00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:23.320
but it was nothing serious. And
then I got serious and I went online

525
00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:28.960
to find somebody, and I came
across a website and there was this woman

526
00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:30.800
that they always give you, like
these examples to get you to join,

527
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:35.559
like here's for women in your area, you know, blah blah blah.

528
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:44.800
He would know, No, you
wouldn't. I'm just kidding. No one

529
00:36:44.840 --> 00:36:47.079
really goes all the site, so
I know. So there she was.

530
00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:52.400
These are sites we're talking about,
yeah, websites, dating site. So

531
00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:55.800
I saw this woman and she just
I was like, oh my god,

532
00:36:55.840 --> 00:37:00.199
I know her. I've known her
forever. I just know that that's my

533
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:05.079
wife. That's my wife, and
I absolutely know this is my soulmate.

534
00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:07.000
There is no question in my mind. I can feel it, I can

535
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:12.519
see it, I know, I
can just I understand that her and I

536
00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:17.800
are one. So I write to
her and I tell her this. Yeah,

537
00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:21.079
so I put in something like this. I was like, listen,

538
00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:22.679
hi, it's really nice to meet
you. My name is Ray, you're

539
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:25.800
my wife. You really don't know
this yet. I understand this sounds crazy,

540
00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:29.599
but we need to meet because you're
my soulmate and we're going to live

541
00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:32.159
happily ever after my phone over,
Yeah, it was kind of like that

542
00:37:34.360 --> 00:37:37.199
there. It was a little more
crazier than that. But and I actually

543
00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:43.079
if it could be and I and
I and I copied and paste that,

544
00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:46.320
I put it in a book,
and and so and and and her response

545
00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:49.800
which was like, l L,
you're out of your mind. Uh,

546
00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:53.039
I need who the hell are you? Right? So really my response would

547
00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:59.719
have been like, I'm calling the
cops right now. And so we you

548
00:37:59.719 --> 00:38:01.000
know, we wind up having dinner. We are married, we're together.

549
00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:05.400
It's been eight years later or whatever
it is, and she's there's no questions.

550
00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:08.599
She's my soulmate. So when we're
dating, here's what happens up until

551
00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:12.400
now. All the energy that I
see and the things that I see are

552
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:15.440
just energy. That's what they really
they are. But when I meet her,

553
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:19.320
it changes a little bit. Here's
what happens. First. You know,

554
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:22.360
when two people start to get serious, one says to the other,

555
00:38:23.079 --> 00:38:30.760
so, what are your spiritual or
religious beliefs? And I'm like, I'm

556
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:36.480
like, you go first, that's
me And I would have went along with

557
00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:38.320
anything as she said, but she
was smarter than that. And she's like,

558
00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:40.880
turns it back on me, and
I said, well, I've been

559
00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:45.760
actually trying to figure that out.
I really don't know. Honestly. I

560
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:47.760
experienced so many different crazy things that
you don't even want to know about.

561
00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:50.360
And she's like, no, I
really do. And I was like,

562
00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:52.719
no, you really do. And
she says, well, listen, why

563
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:55.280
don't we do this. I'm going
to buy you. And my birthday was

564
00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:59.199
coming up. She's like, I'm
going to get you a spiritual clearing for

565
00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:01.559
your birthday. I was like,
so, what the hell is that?

566
00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:07.880
And like a massage. I'm gonna
get a massage because absolutely so, Wait,

567
00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:09.519
you knew about soul meates, not
spiritual clearings. What the heck right?

568
00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:14.199
Well, I didn't. I didn't
know enough to call her that at

569
00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:20.559
the time. Yeah, I'm I'm
still ignorant. And so I said,

570
00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:22.840
we're gonna have cake, right,
and she's like, yeah, we'll have

571
00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:25.719
cake. We'll have cake. So
I was like, so what do I

572
00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:29.519
gotta do and she said, absolutely
nothing. The lady's gonna call You're gonna

573
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:31.519
be at work probably, and she's
going to call you until you she's going

574
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:34.840
to start as I don't even have
to be there. She's like, no,

575
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:38.000
distant, distantly. So she calls
me. She's very nice. I

576
00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:40.639
don't believe a word of what she's
saying. She's telling me she's going to

577
00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:46.599
do something to my chakras. I'm
like, chakras, like my wife.

578
00:39:46.639 --> 00:39:53.599
Now you're gonna no. I was
very polite, I was very nice,

579
00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:55.440
but I didn't believe a word that
she was saying. And I was like,

580
00:39:55.480 --> 00:39:58.400
okay, that's great. Be goes. If you feel a little off

581
00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:00.559
afterwards, you know, just call
me back and let me know. And

582
00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:04.320
I was like, all right,
that's cool. So she calls me back

583
00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:06.480
when she's done. She's like all
right. So I completed everything, and

584
00:40:06.519 --> 00:40:07.639
here's what I saw. You had
this year, this year, this year,

585
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:10.280
this year, this year, this
year. That's I was like,

586
00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:14.639
wow, that's a lot of this
and she's like, yeah, it kind

587
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:16.039
of is but I broke it up
for you, and this is what's going

588
00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:21.280
to happen, so you really might
feel off. Don't make any life changing

589
00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:27.760
decisions and don't have any important appointments
lately. And I said okay, and

590
00:40:27.800 --> 00:40:31.239
I respected what she said. And
then it was maybe within an hour later.

591
00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:34.599
I got up from my desk and
I went to go to the bathroom

592
00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:38.800
and I was like stumbling. I
was like so wobbly. I felt like

593
00:40:38.840 --> 00:40:43.559
I had a drink, and I
was sober over a decade at that point,

594
00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:49.679
and I was just my equilibrium was
way off. And I started to

595
00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:54.480
feel the pressure like it was when
I moved into that apartment again. And

596
00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:59.039
this did not feel good at all. I started to get a headache and

597
00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:01.760
went home. I called it a
day. It was a Friday, and

598
00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:07.920
later that evening, I'm laying down
and I'm kind of just flipping through channels

599
00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:15.679
and I see for the first time
an energy being in the shape of a

600
00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:20.800
man. Now I'm not seeing this
with my eyes, Okay, this is

601
00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:23.440
in here. It's my third eye. It's like a movie screen that opens

602
00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:27.760
up in my head and there's a
man on the screen and he's talking to

603
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:30.320
me, and he says. He's
a big husky guy. He's got a

604
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:35.199
beard and mustache, thick black hair, and he says, I efed up.

605
00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:42.920
I made a mistake. You can
help her. I cannot. And

606
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:47.400
I'm just like, what was that? And I just waited a little while,

607
00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:50.760
and then there he was again,
and he said the same thing.

608
00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:53.800
And I was trying to watch the
show right, but every time I would

609
00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:58.239
kind of just start to nod off, he would come back. And so

610
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:00.960
I was like, this is really
not cool. I don't know what's happening

611
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:06.360
to me. So I finally fall
asleep. I wake up the next morning

612
00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:07.519
and I'm like, I don't know
what that was last night. That was

613
00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:10.960
really weird. But it starts up
right at breakfast. I mean it just

614
00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:15.960
there he is again, the same
eight second video loop. I'm watching it

615
00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:21.519
over and over again. And Saturday
it feels like it's every hour on the

616
00:42:21.559 --> 00:42:25.199
hour. Now going into Sunday,
it feels like it's every five minutes.

617
00:42:25.719 --> 00:42:30.119
I can't drive, I can't have
a conversation. I'm shaking, I'm trembling.

618
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:35.760
I can't take it anymore. And
I was in a store and I

619
00:42:35.800 --> 00:42:38.559
was paying for my stuff and the
lady behind the counter, goes, sir,

620
00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:44.840
are you okay? And I said
no, I don't know what I

621
00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:46.119
did. I really don't. But
she said are you okay? And I

622
00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:49.800
said no, I'm not okay.
I'm not okay at all. And I

623
00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:51.800
took my car and I went back
to the car and I put my head

624
00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:55.639
down and I said, I worked
all these years. I beat drugs,

625
00:42:55.679 --> 00:43:00.440
I beat alcohol, I became something
of myself. I raised two kids,

626
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:06.199
and now I'm out of my mind. I'm insane. Really, this is

627
00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:12.320
what you're gonna do to me now? And I called my brother. I

628
00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:16.000
made sure he had my will,
my DNR, do not resuscitate me again.

629
00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:19.599
I'm going to the light. If
that was real, I'm going right

630
00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:25.320
in there. Do not pass go, don't ever revive me. So I'm

631
00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:29.119
making provisions for my kids. They
have to be taken care of, and

632
00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:30.840
I have That's this is the way
I'm thinking right now. Now. I

633
00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:37.519
got to tell this woman that I
just met, just found then I'm I

634
00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:43.079
see people that aren't there. And
if this isn't all enough of a crazy

635
00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:49.639
story. She is a doctor of
psychology and a doctor of neuropsychology by trade,

636
00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:54.159
so she could put you in the
bind. Yeah. Yeah, but

637
00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:57.639
this is the way I see it. She's probably gonna say, call this

638
00:43:57.719 --> 00:44:01.679
doctor over here and never call me
again, right right, But that's not

639
00:44:01.719 --> 00:44:05.519
what happens. Remember this is the
woman that bought me a spiritual clearing,

640
00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:10.119
so it doesn't go like that at
all. But I'm petrified to tell her,

641
00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:13.679
but I have to tell her.
And so I do tell her,

642
00:44:14.119 --> 00:44:16.039
and she says, go through that
again with me, and I said,

643
00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:19.159
well, I get the vibration,
I get the shakes, I get the

644
00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:22.800
chills, and then the movie screen
opens up and the guy, big husky

645
00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:24.280
guy, you know, the hair, and blah blah blah. I fd

646
00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:27.119
up, I made a mistake.
You can help her, I can up.

647
00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:31.880
She says, that sounds like my
dad, and I said, honey,

648
00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:39.199
your dad's dead. And now I'm
thinking she's crazy. Please right,

649
00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:45.960
okay, you're a doctor. Huh. Well they do call him quacks,

650
00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:51.599
so you know, She's like,
no, really, And I said,

651
00:44:51.639 --> 00:44:53.760
no, really, that doesn't sound
like your dad because I said, beard

652
00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:58.559
mustair stick, black hair, husky
guy, and I saw the picture that

653
00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:00.840
you have in the house and it
does not look like him at all.

654
00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:05.400
And she goes, that's an old
picture. She goes. She goes,

655
00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:08.079
first of all, I've seen many
mediums, and she's going through her phone

656
00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:10.480
and I was like, what the
hell is a medium? And there she

657
00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:14.280
got through the phone and she gets
to a photo and she shows this to

658
00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:17.599
me and I was like, holy
shit, you know that guy? Mmm?

659
00:45:20.039 --> 00:45:22.280
And my jaw just dropped. And
I said that that not only was

660
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:25.639
it him, it was the shirt
he had on, it was everything.

661
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:31.320
Wow, that's talk about some serious
validation. That's incredible. And I didn't

662
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:37.639
know whether to throw up or or
be relieved. I didn't know what it

663
00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:40.079
was. She goes, relax.
I've been to a lot of mediums.

664
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:44.880
They all describe him in the same
way. He's very, very forceful in

665
00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:47.639
nature. Even on the other side
he comes through. He's always right there,

666
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:51.920
almost dead center. They're not allowed
to be dead center, almost dead

667
00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:55.000
center, and he's he's very he
wants to get a message, and you

668
00:45:55.079 --> 00:45:59.199
gave me the message. And I
was like, Okay, that sounds great,

669
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:04.480
So what do I do with this
thing? She goes relaxed. There's

670
00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:07.239
a medium that's coming to town,
like Santa Clo. It's coming to town.

671
00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:09.840
The medium coming to town. She's
going to be here for a couple

672
00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:15.920
of weeks and you can meet with
her and you guys can talk shop,

673
00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:17.880
and you can tell her what you
feel and how you feel, and you

674
00:46:17.880 --> 00:46:22.039
could decide for yourself if this is
real or if you're crazy? Right,

675
00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:27.880
simple, always level headed. I
was like, damn, I don't even

676
00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:32.639
deserve her. So the one,
I mean, how could she not be?

677
00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:37.880
So she takes me to the medium
thing and I'm like, Hi,

678
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:45.559
I'm Ray and the medium goes,
oh, you're that Ray nice? And

679
00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:52.320
I said, yeah, sit down
right. I was okay, and I'm

680
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:53.920
like, you know here I am. I'm like, I'm not petrified.

681
00:46:54.559 --> 00:47:00.440
The guy that wasn't shootout and and
she's She's like, tell me what's happening,

682
00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:02.239
right, And I said, well, I'm losing my mind. I

683
00:47:02.280 --> 00:47:06.679
see people and they're not really there
and they even speak to me. She

684
00:47:06.760 --> 00:47:12.840
goes, hahaha, me too,
and I said, I said, I

685
00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:15.920
said yeah, but this. She
goes take me through the process, and

686
00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:17.639
I said, the chills and then
the lines across the room, and then

687
00:47:17.679 --> 00:47:21.039
the SWIRLI is in the corner of
my eye, and then the movie screens

688
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:24.039
opens up and she goes stop.
I said, what she goes, that's

689
00:47:24.079 --> 00:47:29.039
exactly the way I see it.
She goes, that's exactly the way we

690
00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:36.239
all see it. And I was
like, who's who's Who's we all mediums?

691
00:47:36.519 --> 00:47:39.119
You're a medium? And I was
like, so I'm not crazy.

692
00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:45.239
She goes, no, So what
do I do now? You know,

693
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:47.639
like all of a sudden, it
was a big relief, but then at

694
00:47:47.679 --> 00:47:54.519
the same time it wasn't because at
least insanity I understood. I know how

695
00:47:54.519 --> 00:47:58.639
it ends, I know how it
goes. I don't know anything about medium

696
00:47:58.639 --> 00:48:04.920
shit, so as a whole unknown
that I'm more afraid of. But she

697
00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:08.480
takes me under her wing teaches me
everything. I mean, this is literally

698
00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:13.000
like the first time I even hear
the word medium. You got to understand,

699
00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:19.159
like, I have no background of
this stuff at all. So she

700
00:48:19.679 --> 00:48:23.000
really the first year she saved my
life, and she she confided in me.

701
00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:27.599
She's like, listen, when I
was young, my parents had me

702
00:48:27.639 --> 00:48:30.239
put away for being schizophrenic, and
they kept me in that hospital for many

703
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:36.639
years, and so I don't ever
want to see that happen to anybody else.

704
00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:38.159
And now I don't want to see
that happen anybody else. And if

705
00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:40.559
I work with somebody and they tell
me they see things. I sit with

706
00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:45.960
them and we go through the process
of what they see. I do that

707
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:50.000
all the time, because, like
I said, that's where I was headed,

708
00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:52.800
That's where I was headed, and
knowing how I was, I would

709
00:48:52.800 --> 00:49:00.760
have just checked myself in. So
it was right from there. It wasn't

710
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:06.239
until a year later I met my
second mentor and it was my next birthday.

711
00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:07.800
Always on my birthday, my wife
says, where do you want to

712
00:49:07.840 --> 00:49:09.960
go for your birthday? And I
said, I you want to go to

713
00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:13.239
a beach. You want to go
to this? I said, absolutely not.

714
00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:15.719
I want an outhouse, and I
want a tent, and I want

715
00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:17.000
to be in the middle of the
woods, and I want to hug trees.

716
00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:22.280
The hell are you? I don't
know, I don't know, but

717
00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:25.920
I really need to hug some trees, you know. I that was like

718
00:49:25.960 --> 00:49:30.039
a butt end of my jokes all
the time, you know, being one

719
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:32.239
with the universe and hugging trees and
all this. And now I'm that guy.

720
00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:38.280
I'm literally shoes off hugging trees.
Come near this tree, I will

721
00:49:38.360 --> 00:49:45.679
kill you. So and we meditated
the whole weekend and what happened was is

722
00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:50.119
she my wife takes out a drawing. It was an illustration that was done

723
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:52.360
for her of her dad and she
shows to me and I said, that's

724
00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:55.559
your dad and she goes, yeah, I know. And I said,

725
00:49:55.599 --> 00:49:59.719
but what you don't know is that's
the way I see him, Like the

726
00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:01.679
with the buttons and that, you
know this and that, and she goes,

727
00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:05.079
yeah. We used to make fun
of him. That was his Christmas

728
00:50:05.079 --> 00:50:07.239
shirt and I was like, what
does that mean. He was a construction

729
00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:10.920
worker. He built houses for a
living, so he was always workbook in

730
00:50:12.039 --> 00:50:15.440
Jean's guy. He never had a
nice shirt on. He would take one

731
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:19.320
out for Christmas and this would be
the shirt. And I said, well

732
00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:27.440
who drew that? And she goes
a medium. Oh wow. I said,

733
00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:29.559
well that's the way I see him. So I need to know who

734
00:50:29.639 --> 00:50:32.000
that medium is and I need to
meet that person. And so we looked

735
00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:37.480
him up online and it said right
on his website, Big Letters now taking

736
00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:44.360
applications for a two year mentorship program
with Medium Joe. Your application must be

737
00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:52.199
submitted by February fifteenth, that's my
birthday. No, oh my gosh.

738
00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:55.000
She had no choice. She goes, you're going to do it. I

739
00:50:55.000 --> 00:51:00.960
said, so I'm filling out the
application right in there, and I'm sending

740
00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:02.320
it in because I don't want to
miss the date. Then the first application,

741
00:51:02.559 --> 00:51:06.800
you know, it's like ten questions, it's nothing. Then they send

742
00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:09.679
you like a booklet that's like this, and you they're all asks, say

743
00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:13.559
questions, and how does this happen? How does that happen? What do

744
00:51:13.599 --> 00:51:15.559
you see first? What do you
see? Second? What do you hear?

745
00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:17.039
What do you do? What happens
here? Whatepens? And it's like

746
00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:22.400
just going through everything. But if
you can't prove you're real, you're not

747
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:25.840
getting it. And let me tell
you how difficult it was. So even

748
00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:30.679
I sent that back. Then I
had an interview. Then they sent me

749
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:35.280
another questionnaire. I had another interview, and then I heard nothing. So

750
00:51:35.320 --> 00:51:37.400
I was like, I didn't get
this. I'm not I'm not real.

751
00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:40.360
I'm all the way back to I'm
not real. I'm back. Maybe I'm

752
00:51:40.400 --> 00:51:43.960
crazy. Maybe I made this all
up in my head, you know,

753
00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:47.360
and I'm all the way back to
square one. But I wanted to make

754
00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:51.840
that phone call and just confirm it. So I called his assistant and I

755
00:51:51.880 --> 00:51:53.480
said, I just wanted to confirm, you know that I didn't get the

756
00:51:53.800 --> 00:51:57.599
mentorship program, and that she cut
me off. She goes, oh,

757
00:51:57.639 --> 00:51:59.719
no, no, no, no, no, no, we didn't make

758
00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:04.079
any decisions yet. And I was
like, oh really, She goes,

759
00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:07.320
yeah, this year, there were
hundreds of applications, and I was like,

760
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:12.039
wow, hundreds of applications. This
is only the second time he did

761
00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:20.440
it. And he and and this
mentorship costs several thousand dollars because it's a

762
00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:22.280
real mentorship, like you can call
him day or night, seven days a

763
00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:27.440
week, whatever you need, he's
there. And so it's you do the

764
00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:30.960
math. Thousands of dollars times hundreds
of people, windfall, windfull, windful,

765
00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:37.599
right right. This is the integrity
of this man. If he could

766
00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:42.199
not prove to himself that you were
legit, you could not get in.

767
00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:49.440
I did get in, and I
was number eleven of eleven. Oh wow,

768
00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:52.519
I don't think I could have done
that. That's how when I knew

769
00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:57.880
that man, I'm never leaving a
guy like that. You're my daddy,

770
00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:02.559
you want to be or not.
And it was a two year program.

771
00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:06.920
I think I'm in my fifth year
and I'm just the guy who never leaves,

772
00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:12.800
never graduates. I don't want to
graduate I'm just here because he's here

773
00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:16.679
and that's it. And uh yeah, so but he taught it. He

774
00:53:16.760 --> 00:53:22.639
taught me everything. I mean he
not just mediumship, like spirituality and how

775
00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:28.559
to manifest and how manifesting works.
And then he started to really trigger my

776
00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:32.280
curiosity. So I went back to
college for metaphysics. I got a master's,

777
00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:37.480
bachelor's and a master's. I'm an
ordained minister with the imm International Metaphysical

778
00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:43.159
Ministry, and then I'm doing my
doctorate right now. And I've read every

779
00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:49.960
book under the sun, from Ecker
tole Joe Dispensa to Deepak. And then

780
00:53:50.039 --> 00:53:52.960
on the other side, I love
science, so I read Einstein, I

781
00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:57.239
read Tesla, I read Neils.
For you name a physicist, I've read

782
00:53:57.320 --> 00:54:00.000
him and I've studied his work.
And then what happened was is I started

783
00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:05.960
taking these spiritual concepts and I matched
them to the physical laws of reality,

784
00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:08.199
and I started to put it together. That is the entire second book.

785
00:54:08.199 --> 00:54:12.880
It's some of the first book,
but it's mostly the second book. You've

786
00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:19.880
got a spiritual concept, and then
I explained to you how it works from

787
00:54:19.880 --> 00:54:24.239
a physical perspective. Because I was
the biggest skeptic, I was a forty

788
00:54:24.320 --> 00:54:28.960
something year skeptic. Right, I've
been seeing this since I was five.

789
00:54:29.599 --> 00:54:34.320
You are speaking my language right now, Yes, exactly, So you'll buy

790
00:54:34.360 --> 00:54:37.719
my boss, I do. I'm
actually I'm wait, hang on, I'm

791
00:54:37.719 --> 00:54:42.599
getting my phone. I'm ordering it
right now. But since we're on a

792
00:54:42.679 --> 00:54:46.239
topic, let's let's dive into it. Because we've gone way longer than I

793
00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:51.800
thought we would. But this is
such it's such a fascinating conversation. Give

794
00:54:51.880 --> 00:54:53.920
us the names of your book because
we're going to add those links to our

795
00:54:53.920 --> 00:54:55.960
show notes. But I want to
make sure I've got them right. Okay.

796
00:54:55.960 --> 00:54:59.840
So the first book is The Atheist
in the Afterlife, and that is

797
00:54:59.880 --> 00:55:02.960
the story of me going from atheism
to being a believer. It basically ends

798
00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:08.119
before I meet my second mentor.
And when the second book is called You're

799
00:55:08.199 --> 00:55:14.760
Still Alive Now, act like it
and title. That is a book that

800
00:55:14.960 --> 00:55:19.519
really gets into the concepts of There's
a lot of stories in there too,

801
00:55:19.960 --> 00:55:27.480
but there's also concepts of, say
like the law of attraction, which is

802
00:55:27.480 --> 00:55:30.039
really popular right now. So I
break it down. First of all,

803
00:55:30.079 --> 00:55:31.880
I tell you how I use the
law of attraction in my own life,

804
00:55:32.440 --> 00:55:37.039
and that story is you know,
pretty crazy to begin with, and then

805
00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:42.000
I explain to you how it works
physically from a physical perspective, and then

806
00:55:42.039 --> 00:55:45.800
I tell you how to do it
on your own, so every chapter will

807
00:55:45.800 --> 00:55:51.119
have a story about my crazy life. Then it has the spiritual principle,

808
00:55:51.320 --> 00:55:53.199
and then it tells you how to
break it down physically. And you can

809
00:55:53.239 --> 00:55:57.159
look up all the physical laws that
I put in there, because I did

810
00:55:57.920 --> 00:56:01.320
and studied them over in a wad
over and over, and it just makes

811
00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:09.159
perfect sense. Hm. I'm definitely
excuse me, I'm definitely without a doubt

812
00:56:09.159 --> 00:56:14.280
getting your book because that does sound
exactly like right up my alley. And

813
00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:16.199
if you write the way you speak, I think that would just be like

814
00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:20.960
it's way get ready for a lot
of four letter words. I'm gonna warn

815
00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:24.840
you in a dance. Okay,
I am from Jersey, so nephew,

816
00:56:25.079 --> 00:56:30.719
and that's just a regular word that's
not really a thing right in our household

817
00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:37.880
is like salt. So we're good. Oh right, that's amazing, said

818
00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:40.719
you had a question. No,
okay, I'm just listening like I'm just

819
00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:44.480
I'm just listening like I want to
take it all in. So then on

820
00:56:44.559 --> 00:56:51.000
top of your book, you also, you you right now help people to

821
00:56:51.000 --> 00:56:52.519
to come to grips with some of
the stuff that's happening with them right now,

822
00:56:52.519 --> 00:56:58.400
where you help them to find their
path spiritually. When someone reaches out

823
00:56:58.440 --> 00:57:02.760
to you and says, what the
heck? Although a lot more flowery than

824
00:57:02.760 --> 00:57:07.559
I just said, it take us
to the pieces? What do you do?

825
00:57:07.840 --> 00:57:10.000
How do you help somebody? So? And nothing's cookie cutter, because

826
00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:14.800
everybody comes from a different place right
in their life, but they're all seeking

827
00:57:14.840 --> 00:57:16.519
the same thing. They all want
to be awaken. They all want to

828
00:57:16.519 --> 00:57:19.519
see the other side. And I
always asked first, I was like,

829
00:57:19.559 --> 00:57:22.519
listen, do you really want to
see the other side? Because once you

830
00:57:22.599 --> 00:57:27.000
see it, you're not going to
be able to unsee it. And you

831
00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:29.800
know, I asked my two sons
right to give you a quick example,

832
00:57:29.840 --> 00:57:31.679
I asked both my sons, I
said, who wants to see it?

833
00:57:31.880 --> 00:57:35.440
Because you're not going to want to
go to the bar anymore and have a

834
00:57:35.480 --> 00:57:37.920
couple of drinks with your friends,
because that's just not going to do it

835
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:40.239
for you. You know, you're
just not going to give a crap about

836
00:57:40.320 --> 00:57:44.760
you know, certain things that you
do care about right now, all that

837
00:57:45.320 --> 00:57:47.199
stuff, you know, maybe you
want to wait until you're like thirty.

838
00:57:47.239 --> 00:57:49.880
My other sound is like, no
way, I want it now, and

839
00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:52.960
he was like, oh wait,
dad, I'm in college all right.

840
00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:55.719
Right, So everybody that comes in
is very, very different as to where

841
00:57:55.719 --> 00:58:00.000
they are, and the first thing
we do is we set like a baseline

842
00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:02.239
and we figure out where they are, and then we figure out where they

843
00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:07.559
want to be, and then I
take them through the process. But I

844
00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:10.079
always am very respectful. I ask
them, do you want to know this?

845
00:58:10.239 --> 00:58:15.000
Do you want to know that?
Because it does change you, right,

846
00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:17.519
It's going to literally change the way
you react, It's going to change

847
00:58:17.559 --> 00:58:22.360
the way you do things. It's
going to change the way you are with

848
00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:24.199
other people. In one hundred percent, I mean, it's going to be

849
00:58:24.199 --> 00:58:29.039
for the better. But not everybody
wants everything to be for the better,

850
00:58:29.079 --> 00:58:32.760
right, or they don't see it
as being better because you know, one

851
00:58:32.800 --> 00:58:36.760
of the questions I get is how
do I keep my drive and my ambition

852
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:44.800
and trying to acquire my goals at
the same time. I'm the spiritual Lasadaisical

853
00:58:44.840 --> 00:58:46.480
person. And I said it's very
simple. I said, I don't go

854
00:58:46.559 --> 00:58:52.039
out and get things. They come
to me. And once you master that

855
00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:55.599
you don't have to get out of
bed. I don't care if I'm in

856
00:58:55.639 --> 00:59:00.559
my kitchen or if I'm on a
beach. It's the same thing to me.

857
00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:05.480
There's no there's no difference. Now, I'm not gonna You and I

858
00:59:05.559 --> 00:59:08.599
are working together. You and I
are working together because you're you are just

859
00:59:08.719 --> 00:59:13.280
we do we are? Oh my
god? Like where do you? Where

860
00:59:13.320 --> 00:59:19.320
have you been my hire career?
I get that a lot out. I

861
00:59:19.360 --> 00:59:22.639
bet you too. Yeah. No, we're definitely going to talk because this

862
00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:27.000
this sounds amazing. So, uh, we've gone way way over time,

863
00:59:27.079 --> 00:59:32.199
which is not unusual, but but
this has been unusual inasmuch that we have

864
00:59:32.400 --> 00:59:37.360
just been like little kids listening to
you talk because your story is incredible and

865
00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:42.400
the way you tell it is so
wonderful. So if someone wanted to reach

866
00:59:42.440 --> 00:59:45.920
out to you and work with you
one on one or well, we're going

867
00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:49.400
to add your your books to our
show notes so people can access them.

868
00:59:49.440 --> 00:59:51.360
But so I wanted to reach out
to you, what's the best way to

869
00:59:51.360 --> 00:59:55.760
get a hold of you? Ray
Katanya dot com and uh or Limitless Publications

870
00:59:55.800 --> 01:00:00.960
dot com either one. Ray Katanya
is a new sided just built it out.

871
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:04.039
It's really it's coming along really nicely. It's going to have courses,

872
01:00:04.119 --> 01:00:07.960
classes of course, you can access
me for coaching. You'll find out information

873
01:00:09.159 --> 01:00:15.920
on what's coming up and new books
and new stuff, and everything's going to

874
01:00:15.960 --> 01:00:19.039
be rolled out through there. So
I'm pretty excited about it. Breakatania dot

875
01:00:19.079 --> 01:00:20.960
com. Thank you for allowing me
to say that. By the way,

876
01:00:21.119 --> 01:00:25.360
absolutely I want to hear about this
definitely, And if you can get me

877
01:00:25.519 --> 01:00:30.880
to stay in bed and get sit
to come to me, we are right.

878
01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:32.639
It's kind of like every man's dream
when you think about it. Yes,

879
01:00:34.360 --> 01:00:39.320
I want to be or the Jedi
mind trick here I come. I'm

880
01:00:39.360 --> 01:00:44.760
just teasing obviously, but Ray,
you are amazing, amazing. Thank you

881
01:00:44.800 --> 01:00:49.440
so much for coming on the show
talking to you about your experience and about

882
01:00:49.440 --> 01:00:52.199
the spiritual weakening stuff, because that
was we started out strong and just never

883
01:00:52.239 --> 01:00:55.000
looked back, so I really appreciate
you. When to add all those links

884
01:00:55.039 --> 01:00:58.559
to our show notes, just go
to Skeptic metaposition dot com. You can

885
01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:02.760
access those links directly from there and
it'll be a one click contact with Ray.

886
01:01:04.239 --> 01:01:06.840
So once again, rights such a
pleasure. Thank you for coming on

887
01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:09.519
the show. Pleasure and a huge
thank you to you. If you know

888
01:01:09.559 --> 01:01:13.599
someone who would benefit from hearing the
message we're sharing on the show, do

889
01:01:13.719 --> 01:01:16.480
them and us a favor and share
the show with them. It will help

890
01:01:16.519 --> 01:01:21.239
get the word out about us and
it might just change someone's life for the

891
01:01:21.239 --> 01:01:23.559
better. Well that's all for now. We will see you on the next

892
01:01:23.599 --> 01:01:28.719
episode of The Skeptic Metaphysician. Until
then, take care,