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What it is krack alacing Hardwood Knox
listeners. I am Dan Valley coming at

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super pleased to be joined by the
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a co host of the Eurostep podcast, which can be found on the Eurostep

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s c H. They do a great

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lot of Buck Celtics because I've decided
that is my favorite second round series.

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There was I was going through with
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then like Philly and Philly came in
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but it's pretty decidedly Buck Celtics because
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every single game wanting to change everything
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deep into the series, what to
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into some Bucks Celtics talk, and
also we talk about the MVP since Yo

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Tai covers Yannis, and whether there
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into all that with thy windish Ti. Welcome back to the Hardwar Knox Podcast.

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I normally only pester you once a
year for our Bucks look Ahead,

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but how could I not pester you
given what's happening with Bucks Celtics in the

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semi finals. Before we dig into
all things that have been this epically ridiculous

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series between these two teams, First
and foremost, how are you? I'm

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doing well? As I said,
we do these playback live streams, so

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it's kind of like twitch like we're
on the screen talking about the game.

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As I said at some point during
Game five, which we were live for

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time to see how my happiness over
the next forty eight hours is going to

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be in that fourth quarter. And
it's good. It's good the Pucks won.

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You know, it's not always like
that every game, or even every

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playoff game, but certainly one of
that magnitude it was going to affect the

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mood a little bit and you wake
up feeling a lot better when the Bucks,

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Jannis, Drew, Bobby pat I
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of guys who I think we're really
great in that game in their own ways.

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But all that to say, I'm
doing well. Thank you Dan for

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having me on the Hardwood Knox podcast. I'm honored. Oh please. We

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love Havingue around these parts. I
guess you know we're coming off of just

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what was a wild game five?
That fourth quarter are just like there are

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so many just mind melting things that
happened between Drew's Holiday's defense. I mentioned

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to you before we started. I
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the defensive adjustments, the Celtics took
zero three pointers during the quarter. What

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have you just made of this series
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the first five games, yeah,
I think honestly, the story of this

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series has been like who can figure
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think it's two great defenses. And
we've had conversations on the pod like are

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the Celtics a great team or a
very good team. I think the conclusion

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we've came to is they are a
great defense, but a very good team

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because of their limitations on the other
end, and I think the Bucks dealing

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with a lot of the same limitations, especially without Chris Middleton. So this

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series to me, and the scores
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I think some of that is these
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level of defense and trying to contain
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other, and all the other guys
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you know, who can who can
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Bucks, that was taking advantage of
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down some threes two guys who you
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had been unseasonably bad in the playoffs, and Jannis and Drew both hit threes

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late. Pat Cottady continues to pour
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those are the differences. I mean, you know, Tatum, outside of

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the two games where he was really
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know, high twenties, thirties something
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same. Seems like he is kind
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an extent, although Horford's still doing
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Celtics defense as we go. But
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star or stars. Jalen Brown has
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with some timely shooting and some transition, they figured it out and stole the

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win because of it. Yeah,
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through the first three quarters or whatever, it was completely just flipped in the

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fourth quarter. Milwaukee beat them in
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off turnovers in the fourth quarters,
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their seventeen offensive rebounds in that fourth
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like it was an epic collapse,
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a comprehensive implosion. It was just
that every single level of the game.

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I think West Matthews and Pat Connaton
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heroes in this series. I mean
Wes Matthews too, just like playing all

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these minutes at the age of eighty
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So that's been that's just been interesting
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you mentioned Janice sort of figuring out
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with you. The Bucks offense can
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set a ball screen for Yannis,
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after the ball screen. He's just
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going after he was ever in front
of him. He's been able to get

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by Al Horford. And then you
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it was Rohan mentioned like he's been
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I totally agree. I'm wondering how
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the third not being in this series
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Jannis through the first two games only
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the court, and he was five
of ten, like, but only ten

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shots, and a lot of those
minutes are coming with time. Lord,

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he has taken many more shots since
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like sixty percent from two in those
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I'm with you in the sense that
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struggles, and I don't think we
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has figured it out, but it
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to attack the Celtics, at least
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third there. Yeah, I think, and I think he kind of does

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this to everyone. I think that
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figured out something. He figured out
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will has always been unrelenting, but
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added a couple of tricks to the
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defenses. But I do think Robert
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if Boston would close with him because
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narrative that it's good for Boston and
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a good player. They don't have
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bench was excellent. They somehow one
Daniel Tisman is convincingly which drove us crazy

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watching the game. But Robert Williams
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think what is good for the Bucks
about his minutes is those are very comfortable

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Brook Lopez minutes. Since he's gone
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of an impact on either direction because
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mean even Tice is what made a
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extent. Whereas Robert Williams that jumper, the midrange jumper for him has looked

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quite good this series and it's probably
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because I'd buy him and stuff like
that, but he's made a couple that

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I was like, oh, I
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could do that. But Lopez is
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So I think if he is,
if he does go Game six and plays

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a significant amount, I would expect
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I think that's some of the reason
the scoring has upticked over these last two

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in addition to the defenders just getting
tired. Is you know less Brook Lopez.

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He played twenty minutes last night.
They lost his minutes by a couple

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of points. He hasn't been as
effective on either end. I think if

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timlow is out there for twenty five
minutes, you can probably Pencil and Brook

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Lopez for those twenty five minutes and
then both teams paint becomes a nightmare again,

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Like there's some similarities with how they
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I think, And it'll be interesting, but yeah, I think it'll be

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harder for your honest and then maybe
even more importance on role players hitting threes.

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Thankfully, Pat Connadon has stepped up
in a big way when guys like

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Grayson Allen really if not and just
again, it'll become like who can force

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more turnovers, who can get going
in transition to beat these half court defenses

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because they're both very thorny with those
two centers down low. What do you

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make of there was the report and
you guys talked about this on the eurostep

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that Chris Middleton could return for a
game six or a game seven? Are

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you do you buy into that?
And two would you even be in favor

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of it? And I think it's
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I picked. I guess this is
me underestimating the Bucks, or maybe it's

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me overestimating how important Chris Middleton is
them. I thought the Celtics were going

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to win this series. I believe
that Chris Middleton was that important to the

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Bucks's half court offense, and I
still think he is. I just underestimated.

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Well, shit, your honest exists
and like his will be done sometimes

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like that's just what it feels like
with him. But what do you make

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of whole situation? Would you expect
him to play in one of these two

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close out games, if there's even
two of them, and would you even

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be in favor of that give any
injury that he's coming back from. Let

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me clarify, I think everyone probably
knows, but I have no inside information.

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This is not reporting. Aggregators speculation. Yeah, yeah, aggregators call

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him off. This is a useless
take for you. I would expect him

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to play before the series ends,
which is Rohan's take. I would love

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to see him play in Game six, with the obvious caveat if he's truly

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ready to play, if it's safe
for him to play, even if it's

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safe for him to play, but
he's going to be a little limited at

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first, you know, I would. I'd even like to see him then.

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I think a couple like fifteen twenty
minutes again, players states he is

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the most important thing they're up three
to two without him, you obviously won

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him back. You don't want to
take any game lightly in this series,

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now close it's been, but he
would provide such a jewel. I mean,

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there's so many times. The funny
thing about Game five is it was

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kind of the just like carbon Copy, but the opposite of Game four,

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where the Bucks how to lead it
half time, built a lead up in

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the third quarter and then ended up
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The Something's built their lead more in
the fourth quarter, but still that reversal

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late. It's the same thing kind
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Horford and Tatum explosion, and Marcus
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But I was thinking we talked about
after that game man, some of

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those runs when the Bucks could not
score, that's when you need Chris Middleton

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to just say, if it I'm
just gonna shoot over a guy and you

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know, drain three possessions or three
jumpers and four possessions, which is what

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he's done so many times in that
championship run. To just calm everybody down,

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kill, kill the opposing momentum,
all that stuff. They really do

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miss him a ton. I don't. I think he is very important.

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They're just like grinding out every other
advantage they can find. I mean,

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you mentioned the offensive rebounds. That's
a very Bucks thing. It's new for

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them to do so well without Brook
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And I think a lot of credit
to Bobby Portis, who did not have

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a good shooting game but really hustled
on the boards, which has been big

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for him this season. But yeah, I think it. I would love

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to see him back for Game six. Again, you just don't want to

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do an unsafe thing. But I
do think the way Bud talked about his

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status a couple of games ago,
I think it's certainly possible we see him

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at least before the end of the
series, if not tomorrow today, whenever

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people are listening. I like that
Bud said he's going to keep the starting

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five a state secret from now on
or whatever. Keep everything is State's secret.

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It's funny the way he did it, but it's so everything has been

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so Bucks. The Chris Middleton injury
update, Yeah, he's doing all right.

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We'll let you know. That was
it. That's great, Thanks for

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the update. Really appreciate sports books
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always are. I would be I'm
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further damage or he's fine and can
play play him. I don't know that

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I would want I would want to
see him in game six. If he

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doesn't play game six and there's a
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him in that just because he hasn't
played in so long. I do wonder

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if there would be something to the
effect of if he doesn't hurt you,

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doesn't even really help you, is
he someone the Boston could then target on

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defense, depending on how he's moving, what is stamina is like? And

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you have a little bit of a
margin for error now because you have the

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one game cushion. So if you
bring him back in game six, if

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there is a game seven, or
maybe he's just fresher for the second round,

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should you win to your point?
Though, like even after game five,

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the the drew Holiday minutes without Janie, the Bucks have been slaughtered.

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They've been on scored by thirty one
points and forty minutes, And there there

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approach probably needs to be we're throwing
the kitchen sink at you when Yannis isn't

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on the court and that would be
Chris Middleton and Drew Holiday, and you

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could probably just give it who else
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from there. What have you made
though of the offense when Yannis is off

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the court? Like, is that
redeemable in any sense? When you looked

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at how Drew Holiday has played,
and how big do you think it was

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that Drew Holiday actually you know he
still had he took you and I were

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messaging about this. Some of the
Drew Holiday early shot clock jumpers were giving

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me heart palpitations. He closed the
game really strong. How important do you

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think that might be for him offensively
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series in the playoffs. I think
it's important for those closing situations. But

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I still think that the Bucks need
to do a better job, and this

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mostly does come down to Drew of
getting other players involved in the nony honest

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minutes, I think there's still too
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And again, I think it's a
valiant thing. I don't think it's

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selfishness. I think it's him trying
to it's him knowing we don't have Chris.

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Jannie is sitting you know, it's
me and good players, but I

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am the star who's out here now. I need to carry this load,

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and I think it's probably better than
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But there needs to be a better
balance struck between I will take over and

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let's see what Grayson Allen can do
if he's out there. And one of

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the things that drives me crazy is
if you're going to play someone like Grayson,

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who the Celtics and Jalen Brown especially
are clearly enjoying finding on defense over

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and over A really annihilated him with
the fourth it was almost mean what they

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were doing a grace now. It
was it was like there was just no

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resistance there, and that's just you
know, I don't think he's a terrible

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defender, but if you're an okay
defender in those moments, you can function

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as a terrible defender. It's the
issue Bucks LN this with Brent Forbes as

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well, who is worse I think
than Grayson. But still, but I

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think they need to get Grayson involved
on offense if he's going to be out

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there, because you're not playing him
for his defense. So if he's shooting,

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let's see seven times over thirty minutes, only two of them threes.

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He did have five assists, or
at least they got him you know,

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they got the ball moving through him
more, which is nice. But I

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want to see more shots for him
in those minutes, more shots for pet

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Cottadon, who also only shot seven
times. Glad to see Bobby Porter's take

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fourteen only makes four. Not an
ideal game, but still at least wasn't

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completely holding up the offense. You'd
rather shoot good looks and miss than just

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not shoot and stand around and watch
someone else shoots. They any better ball

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movement, They definitely need more of
those guys taking shots. At one point,

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I think they've in Grayson Bobby Portis
pick and roll that Porters scored on

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one of his four makes, and
it was like, let's just do that

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like half the time when it's just
drew out there. I mean, that's

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those are two good offensive players.
There's a lot of shooting threat there.

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Get Bobby moving. I think they
need to get all the big guys moving

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towards the rim more, even Brook
who I think that would help him score

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more in this series, but I
definitely think he's still doing a little too

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much before crunch time, and they
would be better off if they could get

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somebody else going. I mean,
nobody besides ju Andiannis scores more than Portis

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is fourteen. They need a little
bit more help from these other guys still,

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especially as we get later and later
in this series, and Drew and

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Jannis have done so much already when
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the Celtics and the different units that
Boston has run out there. We don't

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really know as we're recording this,
if Robert willas the third is going to

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play in the next game, what
do you view as sort of a tougher

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like structure of Boston junior from Alwaukee
to match up with where they're going with

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small Brown, Tatum, and White
plus Horford, or when they're playing the

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Grant Williams and al Horford together and
you know, Derek White is probably on

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the bench in that scenario. Honestly, it probably just depends on whichever of

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those two is playing better. It
seems to me like I think theoretically the

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Grant Williams one is tougher for Milwaukee
because that gives you you have more than

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one guy you're comfortable guarding. The
honest I think it's so it's much easier

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than you know, if you do
get out of whack, if you're in

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semi transition or whatever, you have
two options who you're fairly comfortable guarding the

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honest, So there's just more chance
you'll be able to get one of those

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guys I knew him, Versus if
you're coming up and you know semi transition,

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everything's crazy and al Horford's on one
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the other. It gets a lot
harder to then get him over there to

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guard him without giving up an open
shot or something. So I think they're

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theoretically better with Grant Williams. But
after his offensive explosion in game three,

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no two whatever it was, maybe
it was four, no whatever, I'm

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not going this game too. Everything
blurs together, I know, I know,

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I do think it was game two. Since then, though, it

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seems like Milwaukee's adjustment for him specifically
was just nothing from the corners, and

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they've really cut down his corner threes, and I know his splits are pretty

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drastic. If you look at his
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he's much more effective there. He
seems less comfortable everywhere else. He's

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gotten some more like elbow threes in
this last couple of games and hasn't really

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even wanted to shoot them. And
I know I've read a couple of reports

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about this from I think like Keith
Smith had one that email. Judoka has

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had huge problems with him, you
know, complaining the officials and missing an

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assignment because of that. That's happened
in multiple games now, which is playing

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into him playing less as well.
And Derek White just played well, He's

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hit shots. He was not very
good early, he's been better late.

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So I think if you're Boston,
you probably just have to go with the

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guy who's helping you more actively right
now in a series like this. But

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I do think they would the Celtics
would be better off if it was Grant

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Williams who was giving you more,
because that's just a much better Janice option

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defensively obviously than Derek White is as
well as I think he's played on both

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ends over these last two games.
Yeah, and they went at Jalen Brown

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a little bit with Jannis two in
game five. And so if you remove

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Grhat Williams from the equation, does
that theoretically give you two players that you're

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comfortable having the honest attack against,
and so I am with you there,

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I think offensively though at this point
because of how and it was game too,

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so we ended up being right on
that. How disinvolved Grant Williams has

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been, it would probably almost prove
them to have Derek White, who's going

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to give you definitely more rim pressure, more of a connective passer, even

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when he's not scoring. So you
might be losing some shooting with Grant Williams,

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but hey, you're not taking threes
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You need Grant Williams score. What
is And I know this depends on

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matchups, but so the Buck's closing
the game with Jannie Drew it was Connaton,

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Portis and West. Is that like
the ideal closing lineup for them where

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you don't see Brooke on a court
as long as Robert Williams isn't in,

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I think that probably is. The
real question is the Porter spot, And

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I think he was really his offense
was not there in Game four and budgets

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slash his minutes. I think he
played like fifteen minutes because he kept passing

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up wide open corner threes to like
dribble in and then miss shots in the

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paint, and I think it drove
Bud crazy and he just lost his minutes.

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You know, he ends up playing
twenty eight and a half minutes in

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this game despite not not making a
lot of shots. I think he made

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a bigger difference on the boards and
took better shots again, even if they

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weren't falling for him. But I
think Matthews and counted in, I think

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they're penned in there like they're not. They're not coming out of games in

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this series late. So if the
Celtics are closing with Robert Williams, maybe

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you see Brooke in there. I
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And again we'll see what could possibly
happen with Chris. I don't know

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if he would ever be able to
close a game six. That would be

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tremendous, But I think the Bucks
don't like now at this point in the

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series, Lopez out there again.
Horford as the five. No matter if

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it's Grant Williams or someone else at
the four, It's just that the Celtics

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got too many looks from three.
Obviously, Horford burned him two games in

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a row, got the crazy winning
Game four, so I don't expect to

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see Brooke out there unless Robert Williams
is. I would imagine Portis will be

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the favorite going in if somebody like
George Hill who has not played very well,

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or even a Grayson Allen has a
really good game, than maybe,

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But I think the Bucks trust Portus
more defensively than Grayson, and he gives

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you so much fun offense than Hill, so I would imagine that he gets

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the nods. Still, did you
see anything in that fourth quarter of Game

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five that you view as translatable to
the future games of the Bucks how they

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slowed down Boston's offense or was that
more of Boston kind of slowing it down

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themselves and the Milwaukee scoring so we're
able to just get their defense set and

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get back quick, or was there
anything in particular, and even looking at

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the entire game, I'll Horford had
seven shots after being supern over for this

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entire series, there's anything specific you
noticed about how they were covering him or

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is that just another you know,
the Celtics missing him on certain opportunities or

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not. You know, it didn't
feel like they were looking for him as

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much on like picking Pops as they've
been throughout the previous four games. Yeah,

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I think, you know, I
do think a little bit of that

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is as great as he looked and
as much as he leaned into a game

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four, maybe it was only because
of the honest stairdown, that's what he

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seemed to say. I still don't
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But I also think the Bucks were
like, we're not. I think their

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game plan for most of the series
has been we are only going to let

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you shoot threes that we want you
to shoot. And they fell up,

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they fall up, they fell apart, and their losses especially, But I

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do think they're working more to toggle
away some of those wide open threes.

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I think now it's like, if
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like off the dribble around the screen, which Tatum was two for eleven on

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threes. That's He's had so many
games that you just keep saying like,

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oh, he's not going to keep
shooting like that. At some point,

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hopefully somebody gives the Bucks a bit
of a nod for doing a hell of

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a job defending him, not saying
you're not. But I just keep like

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this pod cast does a great job
of watching and analyzing both sides. I

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just see so much of like,
oh, Tatum's gonna get it together soon,

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like probably he will play better soon. But the Bucks are doing a

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tremendous job on Tatum, and they're
just not giving guys like Grant Williams and

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in game five, Al Horford those
like really wide open, beautiful corner threes

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that you want. I think that
kind of coincides with brook Lopez playing less

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and being less effective when he does
play because he's not dropped back as far

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anymore. The biggest drop I think
Janice was dropping back really far at points

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at times in game five, and
I didn't think it was a good idea.

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I don't think he should bother doing
that when he's covering Al Horford,

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because you do tend to give him
those shots. Although again, he wasn't

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able to capitalize in this game.
But you know there's gonna be some threes

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where a guy like Jaylen Brown will
just hit a couple and right and right

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in the closeout's face. You know, guys like that hit shots like that.

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But I do think the Bucks a
little bit went away from the paint

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dominance to a little bit more say, you're not going to hit the open

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threes, You're gonna have to beat
our defense to hit shots. And that's

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I think why you close with a
guy like Wesley Matthews, who, although

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he has been good offensively overall in
this series, not always going to do

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that, but they just trust him
so much defensively. So it's like him

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Jannis Drew Holiday. You know,
even if we don't have the paint lockdown

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by Brooke like usual, because we
are closing out on these threes, we

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trust those guys to clean up whatever
they need to, and Drew showed why

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that was a good idea to end
game five. Yeah, west Is,

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I agree with you that the Bucks
have done a pretty good job on Tatum,

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and a lot of that has been
just Wesley Matthews. Yeah, I

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was looking I was looking this up
earlier this morning on possessions that Wesley Matthews

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registers as a defender of Jason Tatum. So not even a direct contest,

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the self descripting point eight five points
per possession. That is threnny one at

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home who doesn't really that is absolutely
terrible even for this series. So yeah,

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that's absolutely huge for Milwaukee. So
kind of wrapping up the discussion lead

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into game six of potential game seven, what is your biggest concern for Milwaukee

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non Chris Middleton Division leading into the
game six and put the potential game seven.

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Yeah, I think it's I mean, one, I do think there's

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a there's a chance that we just
see a Tatum explosion at some point.

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It kind of happened a little bit
over the last two games. But you

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know, is he going to go
for forty five points or something? And

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do the Celtics get another game without
score Milwaukee a lot from three? I

407
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think you look at Game five,
the Bucks end up out scoring the Celtics

408
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,880
from Game three. I don't have
the number in front of me, but

409
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:40,599
I imagine in games when the Bucks
score more points from three than their opponents,

410
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they probably every ridiculously good record because
obviously the honest is going to add

411
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,440
another, you know, a few
dozen points that aren't threes, and you

412
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,640
know, three or six or whatever, then our threes. But so I

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00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,480
think that's probably the biggest concern now
is just the Bucks continue to play good

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00:25:56,519 --> 00:26:00,279
defense, but the Celtics are just
like, you know, we're going to

415
00:26:00,319 --> 00:26:03,960
make shots anyway, which I do
trust Milwaukee's defense to not give Boston all

416
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:10,359
like streams of wide open threes anymore. I think that that is that would

417
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,839
you say, and sorry interjective sort
of a bud doing this? Is that

418
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,079
growth? Is that like progress for
him? I think so, yeah.

419
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,920
I mean it's it's you know,
it's there's still a lot of gripes.

420
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,279
I think we were Grayson is still
playing too much. I don't think he

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00:26:25,319 --> 00:26:29,279
should have seen fourth quarter minutes.
But I do think there's more adjustments than

422
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,200
people give him credit for, even
if he's still not you know, Nick

423
00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:37,319
Nurse or anything like that in terms
of in terms of overadjusting. And I

424
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,039
think a lot of what Blood does
really well as a coach are things that

425
00:26:40,279 --> 00:26:44,039
are pretty impossible to define, you
know, the culture and that kind of

426
00:26:44,079 --> 00:26:48,279
stuff which I really didn't care about
or didn't realize I guess didn't didn't think

427
00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:51,319
about until after they won and thought
about all the stuff they went through and

428
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,240
how many times we've seen teams go
through similar things and not hold up as

429
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,559
well. So I think that it's
hard to define how good of a job

430
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Blood does. But I do think
in that sense that yes, he is

431
00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:04,480
more flexible now, more open to
changes. I think now the big test

432
00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:07,400
will be, you know, can
Javon Carter scrape a couple of minutes in

433
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,799
here when George Hill isn't accomplishing much? Love Devon Carter and it's just like

434
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,920
it's so good, and just like, is George Hill giving you even enough?

435
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,720
And I get Javon Carter is tiny. Yeah, but like, look,

436
00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:21,799
even just if you don't want Grayson
Allen on the court for a certain

437
00:27:21,799 --> 00:27:25,000
minutes, like Devon Carter is going
to give you way more defensive pressure than

438
00:27:25,319 --> 00:27:27,319
I mean, George Hill, Yes, but he's gonna give you more defensive

439
00:27:27,319 --> 00:27:30,839
pressure than Grayson Allen. So I
just can we can we dust off Devon

440
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,960
Carter? Please? That would be
great. I think the thing about him

441
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,559
too is you throw him out there
for a twelve minutes or whatever. That's

442
00:27:37,599 --> 00:27:41,839
twelve minutes of full court pressure on
whoever's bringing the ball up for the Celtics.

443
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,000
And I do think outside of getting
a steeler a backcourt or whatever,

444
00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:48,519
like it just degrades your offensive usefulness. If it's harder to get into your

445
00:27:48,559 --> 00:27:52,160
action, less time on the shot
clock, everyone's less comfortable. Like that

446
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,799
stuff matters. I would certainly like
to see him get some run. You

447
00:27:55,839 --> 00:27:57,680
know, I think if George Hill
does play, put the ball in his

448
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,880
hands a little bit more, because
that's his other advantage over Carter is he's,

449
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,880
you know, a better and more
proven on ball creator. But the

450
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,160
Bucks just used him as an off
ball player. And if you're going to

451
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,079
do that, then play Javon,
who's shot much better from three this season.

452
00:28:10,279 --> 00:28:14,240
It's gonna give you more defensively.
I think he'll still struggling with like

453
00:28:14,319 --> 00:28:18,440
an injured vertebrae in his neck or
something like. It seems like eighty different

454
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,880
serious injuries this year. Yeah,
I mean, he wants that ring really

455
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,759
bad and he wants to win one
in Milwaukee. You've got a feel for

456
00:28:23,839 --> 00:28:26,960
him. But like Axel Tupon got
a ring, George, like, you

457
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,079
still get one even if you're not
playing every game, like don't like,

458
00:28:30,079 --> 00:28:33,720
like, let's think about your long
term health a little bit, Like you

459
00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:37,920
still help the team. You still
deserve it for contributions before the trade for

460
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,119
Drew Holiday. But yeah, I
would like to see Javan play. I'd

461
00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:45,319
like to see West play a little
less. And you know, if Chris

462
00:28:45,319 --> 00:28:48,519
comes back, that changes them.
Of course, how much everyone is gonna

463
00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:51,880
play. But yeah, I do
think Buds just grown a little bit and

464
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,279
said a little bit more of you
know, we'll go small when we have

465
00:28:55,359 --> 00:28:59,240
to. I think the Phoenix series, Bobby Portis was closing out games and

466
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,480
they would switch more, and that's
like, you know, they never would

467
00:29:02,519 --> 00:29:07,319
have done that before. So it's
it's nice to see the Bucks. You

468
00:29:07,319 --> 00:29:10,160
know. Maybe they ran their heads
into a wall a bit still here and

469
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,720
there, especially offensively, but I
think defensively, i'd say a little bit

470
00:29:12,759 --> 00:29:17,759
less. So although the shots they
gave to Alan Game four absolutely made me

471
00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:22,720
sick, so I shouldn't get too
far and praising their adaptiveness. I'm with

472
00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:25,119
you, though, it seems like
it's even like some of the minutes that

473
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:26,799
Budd has been playing where we're talking
about, oh, because you cut down

474
00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:30,799
Wesley Matthews minutes. You know,
Bud like two years ago might have had

475
00:29:30,839 --> 00:29:33,920
him at a fifteen minute cap or
something. Who knows. I don't even

476
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,079
want to talk about that Bubble Miami
series. I yeah, you met the

477
00:29:37,119 --> 00:29:40,440
Javon Carter point you made about his
full court pressure, and I didn't look

478
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:41,839
at the data how often they ran
this, but like that would be sort

479
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:47,720
of another option to neutralize and it's
a pick and roll combination everyone is trouble

480
00:29:47,759 --> 00:29:51,000
defending. But like Adjason Tatum,
Marcus mart pick and roll Javon Carter.

481
00:29:51,759 --> 00:29:53,519
You know, if you want to
use Jannis and Drew Holiday to defend that

482
00:29:53,559 --> 00:29:57,279
action, yes that is you don't
always want to use Jannest to do that.

483
00:29:57,319 --> 00:30:00,400
But also Javon Carter just sort of
be bumping them out of that offense

484
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,000
a little bit by giving you that
full court pressure. And look, you

485
00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:06,799
got six fouls to let him use
them, and you have to slow down

486
00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:10,920
the game and maybe help your players
catch breath that way. I'm curious who

487
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,440
you think needs to if we assume
Chris Middleton doesn't play, who is the

488
00:30:14,519 --> 00:30:23,039
third most important buck? I mean, so it's tough. I think in

489
00:30:23,119 --> 00:30:26,079
terms of importance to the team,
I think it might be a different answer.

490
00:30:26,119 --> 00:30:30,599
But in terms of importance, as
in what version of them is going

491
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,640
to show up, I think it's
Bobby Portis, just because like I just

492
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,599
think we know what we're getting from
West Matthews and Pat Conan and they are

493
00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:41,799
super important. Like again, they're
both locked in closings, which I think

494
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,559
is hilarious because two months ago,
maybe today if you ask a bunch of

495
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,279
random NBA fans, like, what
do you think about Pat Contadon and Wesley

496
00:30:48,319 --> 00:30:52,559
Matthews closing games, They're probably be
like that team must stink, but they're

497
00:30:52,839 --> 00:30:55,559
quite good. And they've been really
good on both ends, west more than

498
00:30:55,599 --> 00:30:59,440
Pat on defense, but certainly Pat
Moore on offense. But I think Bobby

499
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,480
Portis he continued to be the closer, a fifth guy who holds up on

500
00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:07,079
both ends. And how much different
is this game, even this last game,

501
00:31:07,359 --> 00:31:10,400
if he's eight of fourteen instead of
four for fourteen, right, Like,

502
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,039
can he give you that rebounding and
holding up defensively? He's not going

503
00:31:14,079 --> 00:31:15,680
to be great, but can he
continue to hold up there, get you

504
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,559
some extra possessions on offense and score
more effectively. I think that could be

505
00:31:19,599 --> 00:31:22,000
a big difference for the Bucks.
I mean, he has not had a

506
00:31:22,039 --> 00:31:26,119
three point shot of these last few
games. I think if he comes out

507
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,119
plays really well, it's knocking down
some threes, that could be huge for

508
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,480
Milwaukee. So I'll say Bobby Portis
with the caveat that Wes Matthews for the

509
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,039
defense on Tatum and the spacing and
offensive punch which has been really nice.

510
00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:41,599
These last couple of games, and
Pat Connadon, who's just always been their

511
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,279
most reliable two way wing outside of
Chris. I think those guys are obviously

512
00:31:45,359 --> 00:31:49,559
super important as well. It's Bobby
Fortis. He mentioned his defense. He

513
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,920
You probably have two and most underrated
switch defenders in this series in Grant Williams

514
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,799
and Bobby Portis. I think Grant
Williams is noticeably better than Bobby Portis,

515
00:31:57,799 --> 00:32:01,240
but totally ever since the middle of
last year or whatever, Bobby Portis has

516
00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:05,440
been like fine on switches, which
is just not like, I don't know

517
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,480
if it gets talked about enough.
That's my ten thousand foot view. I'd

518
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:12,720
probably pick Wes as the third most
important book because you already laid it out.

519
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,720
The responsibility has with Tatum, and
I didn't really subscribe to the idea

520
00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:20,920
that Boston needed to get a floor
general type over the off season. And

521
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,640
now I'm watching this series and if
you can really rough up Jason Tatum or

522
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:29,200
make life difficult on him, he
and Marcus Smart together, like, yes,

523
00:32:29,319 --> 00:32:31,519
you can run your offense that way. Al Horford's a good playmaker.

524
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:36,920
Robert Williams a third's a good stationary
playmaker. Derek White's a good connective passer.

525
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:38,400
The more I watched this series,
and I actually I'm curious as your

526
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:44,000
thoughts now that you know you've watched
the series very intimately, is that something

527
00:32:44,079 --> 00:32:46,400
Boston could actually benefit from. It's
not oh, they need a start point

528
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:51,880
guard. They need sort of a
floor general who can delineate touches, especially

529
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,240
down the stretch of a game like
we just saw where it felt like they

530
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,359
were this is the cliche of all
sports cliches. It felt like they were

531
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,519
protecting their lead, We're afraid to
lose, rather than like they were just

532
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,720
going through their stuff. Yeah,
I think so. And I think his

533
00:33:05,799 --> 00:33:08,279
excellent as smart hiss Ben at times
in this series, and I think he's

534
00:33:08,359 --> 00:33:12,440
getting killed too much. For the
end of Game five, there was a

535
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,400
little bit of like, holy crap, the ball is in Marcus. Marcus

536
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,799
Smarts hands a ton offensively in the
last minute of this important game where the

537
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,160
lead is going away and things are
happening. I mean, I don't know

538
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:27,799
if you could identify any moment where
he truly made the wrong decision. I

539
00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:30,599
mean, the drive that ended up
Jannis getting that I think led to the

540
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,799
Drew three. That one was pretty
bad. But like the steal that Drew

541
00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:36,240
made, I think he just fumbled
a little bit and Drew was there before

542
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,039
he had any chance to get the
ball to Tatum. And the drive on

543
00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:44,000
that play where Drew Block did It's
like somebody had to do something. Everyone

544
00:33:44,119 --> 00:33:45,759
was like, oh, he should
know the bucks based defense. Why would

545
00:33:45,759 --> 00:33:50,000
you go towards the rim? And
I'm like, who is able to process

546
00:33:50,079 --> 00:33:52,880
all of that in real time?
Pat Connaughton, you talked about this a

547
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,279
little bit on your pod. John
Showman pointed it out on Twitter. Pat

548
00:33:57,279 --> 00:34:00,599
Connaton blew up that ato and yes
there was there was a different way to

549
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:05,400
do it. Like he blew it
up so much that Jayson Tatum like didn't

550
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,199
even start to come off of the
Al Horford pinned down. And did Jayson

551
00:34:07,199 --> 00:34:09,480
Tatum just know that Marcus Smart was
doing the wrong thing? You would have

552
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,760
to I guess I wasn't watching that
closely enough. That was kudos to Pat

553
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,320
Connatton. So I'm with you.
I thought he got too much shit for

554
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,599
what happened. I mean, he
was bad, so was the rest of

555
00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:22,039
the Southeast team. Yeah, I
mean no one else did anything, and

556
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,199
that I think to your point though, that is the point, right in

557
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,119
terms of you know, I think
they could use someone. I think the

558
00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:29,599
Bucks could kind of use a player
like this too, to be quite honest,

559
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:34,440
especially with Chris Out Drew and Jannat. Sometimes I think Jannat really good

560
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,960
decision maker and passer, but all
the work he does scoring, you don't

561
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:42,119
want him also bringing the ball up
to initiate offense for other guys. I

562
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:45,000
mean, if you watch them,
they sometimes, especially like earlier in a

563
00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:49,360
fourth quarter, not when it's real
crunch time, He'll just be like kind

564
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,239
of off to the side some of
these possessions. That's just him wrestling like

565
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,000
he needs that with the energy he
exerts. I think that's another kind of

566
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,719
the reason I'd like to see Javan
play a little bit. Is Jevon Carter,

567
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,199
like Mark Smart, has dealt with
like fifteen injuries this series. And

568
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:07,360
I remember, I think it was
before he missed Game two, and they've

569
00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:09,920
got him bringing up the ball still
and Drew is covering him, and Drew

570
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,519
is picking him up at like three
quarters court, and it's like, are

571
00:35:13,559 --> 00:35:15,679
you really you really making Marcus Smart
with like a bad arm bring up the

572
00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:20,400
ball against Drew full court like that
sounds like absolute hell, and it with

573
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,000
a better arm, it didn't work
out well for the Celtics to end Game

574
00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:27,440
five. So I do think they
could use another playmaker like that for sure,

575
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,360
as could Milwaukee, as could a
lot of teams around at that many

576
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,679
point gods out there unfortunately, but
I think that had shown and that is

577
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,159
another reason I like the ball pressure
early to kind of just again further come

578
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:45,840
up what Boston is doing. And
I'll wrap up this discussion here with how

579
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,880
do the sell if the Celtics win
Game six? Why are they winning Game

580
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,280
six or why are they even coming
back in this series? Is it something

581
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,760
you notice about they've done for long
stretches for games at the time of keeping

582
00:35:57,119 --> 00:36:00,320
Milwaukee limiting their transition opportunities. Is
there something you've noticed that they've been able

583
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,000
to do. Is there something that
you look at them that they could do

584
00:36:04,119 --> 00:36:06,880
leading into Game six the rest of
the series that you think could continue to

585
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:12,360
throw the Bucks off kilter, because
look, they basically controlled most of Game

586
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,159
five. It's like we could very
easily be talking about the Bucks going into

587
00:36:15,159 --> 00:36:19,880
this winner go home game rather than
the Celtics. Yeah, I think,

588
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,679
honestly, what it's going to come
down to and not to you know,

589
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:27,280
oversimplify or not dive in too much
here. But it's something you said earlier.

590
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,480
The honest is going to impose as
well. I just have no doubt

591
00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:35,400
about that. It's will the players
around him make too many mistakes or miss

592
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,840
too many opportunities. I think there's
gonna be shots there. I think there's

593
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,800
gonna be good looks there. And
also you know the eight seven, maybe

594
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,440
less than seven in game six,
the minutes he's not on the court,

595
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,800
how bad will those be? But
I think really it's like everyone around the

596
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:52,239
honest because you just trust that your
honest will come out here probably around forty

597
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,679
points, you know, double digit
rebounds, a good number of assists,

598
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,480
if guys are making shots. I
think that's what it comes down to.

599
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,679
You like, can Celtic crowd the
paint and hold him off? And do

600
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,639
the other Bucks not make you pay? Do they absolutely get immolated in the

601
00:37:06,679 --> 00:37:08,599
non the honest minutes? I think
those are going to be the big questions,

602
00:37:08,639 --> 00:37:13,320
which is ironic because this goes back
to like the Eric Bledsoe days.

603
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,639
I mean, this has kind of
always been the question for the Bucks is

604
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:20,480
can everybody else do enough. The
signs from guys like Pat Connadan Leslie Matthews

605
00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:22,599
have been good, but you know, can we get even though he shoots

606
00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:25,280
four for seven from deep, Can
we get a better than nine for twenty

607
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,239
four game from Drew Holiday, Can
we get better than four for fourteen from

608
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:30,960
Portis? Those are going to be
I think the questions. And I do

609
00:37:31,039 --> 00:37:36,800
think if Milwaukee gets a better scoring
game from Drew, a more complete one,

610
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,400
a more sound one and two three
maybe of those role players have solid

611
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,320
offensive games, I think it's going
to be really hard to beat the Bucks

612
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,920
in five surf here for the Celtics, as good as their defense is,

613
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,760
there's just not really a defense out
there that can take away Honest one on

614
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,719
one, and then if you're not
able to do that, you're either giving

615
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,880
him too much or giving everybody else
too much. So I do think if

616
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,920
the Bucks can execute around the Honest, this series should be theirs for the

617
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,360
taking. But a lot of work
left to do against a very very good

618
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,320
Celtics team. How do you think
this series ends? What's your what's your

619
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:12,400
predictions? Gotta be Bucks in six? I mean I was about to create

620
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,199
it years ago. Yeah, yeah, I mean I asked him the follow

621
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,360
up question was with the herd Bucks
and six hours. That's for the culture,

622
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,719
is what he said. He also
said, what am I supposed to

623
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,320
say? We're gonna losing four?
I mean, what else can you say?

624
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:24,960
And I was like, it's a
good point. I don't know what

625
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,800
else you could say, Brandon,
But yeah, I think bucks and sex.

626
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,920
I said that before the series.
I certainly didn't see it playing out

627
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,760
the way it has. It's been, as we talked about before we started

628
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,840
recording, such an exciting up and
down series. But that's very bucksy in

629
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:43,360
two to get the bucks in six
result while also making you question your existence

630
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,079
like three times on the way there. Yeah, I'm rooting for Game seven

631
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:50,639
just as the impartial deserver because I
love chaos. I will say, though,

632
00:38:50,679 --> 00:38:52,480
I don't know if I'm getting too
caught up in the moment, because

633
00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:54,559
I said Dallas was and I picked
them to losing five. But the songs

634
00:38:54,559 --> 00:38:59,400
anyway, so I was missing the
mark. But I thought Phoenix obliterated their

635
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,239
soul in game two and I just
thought that series was over. I'm getting

636
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,760
like that vibe again where it was
just like if this is the Celtics where

637
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,840
they haven't really progressed enough from the
past couple of years. They're over,

638
00:39:10,039 --> 00:39:14,280
they're finished, but I'm just not
sure if I'm recency bias is kicking in

639
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,440
here. Their response is after the
game I thought were mostly great. I

640
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:22,320
give players credit for being able to
like after these super emotional losses or victories,

641
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,960
and have to give these even keeled
answers because my first insect would be

642
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,400
like, you know, what are
you expecting Jayson Tatum to say, you're

643
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,079
supposed to be sad that they lost
and that we're gonna lose or throw market

644
00:39:32,119 --> 00:39:35,400
smarter the bus. But I'm like, in the heat of the moment,

645
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,159
like maybe like, but even honest. The other night where they lost Game

646
00:39:38,159 --> 00:39:39,960
four, he was like, you
know, we gotta go out. We'll

647
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,960
win game five. We will win
Game five, then we'll have to try

648
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,639
and win game six. I'm just
like, I applaud these players for being

649
00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:49,400
able to keep their composure under these
circumstances, because I absolutely would not.

650
00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:52,599
I'm like having panic and anxiety attacks
over trying to figure out what's happening to

651
00:39:52,639 --> 00:39:57,719
the series by a game by game
basis. Is just honest, is such

652
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,760
a machine. I love him I'll
never be able to late to him for

653
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,719
the way he processes these moments,
which is why he's, you know,

654
00:40:04,199 --> 00:40:07,599
a great player on pace to be
an all time great player. After the

655
00:40:07,639 --> 00:40:08,840
game, they're talking about, you
know, your eyes bleeding. They did

656
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,440
the postgame interview on the court,
and he's just like, yeah, you

657
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,280
know, it was tough, but
I'm good. It's like that's that's basically

658
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,079
all he'll say. Ever, sometimes
he gets introspective. That's more before a

659
00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:22,079
game in the finals. That great
quote was before a game I believe about

660
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,199
live in the past. That's your
ego, et cetera. But yeah,

661
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,840
I think credit to the Boston don't
don't think it's going to be an easy

662
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,599
game six. I'm not. I'm
not trying to write off Boston by any

663
00:40:30,639 --> 00:40:35,079
means. No game really maybe Game
one, but not really any game.

664
00:40:35,079 --> 00:40:37,360
It's been easy for the Bucks,
but I just think they find ways to

665
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,760
do it, and that's what they've
been doing for for a little over a

666
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:44,559
year now. So I'm just gonna
ride with him. I did want to

667
00:40:44,559 --> 00:40:46,480
touch on this, even though it's
been an exhausted topic as someone who covers

668
00:40:46,519 --> 00:40:52,159
Gena's attend to Kubo, what have
you made of the MVP discourse, even

669
00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:57,280
predating the actual announcement, Uh,
that NICOLEO Kitchend won it back to back.

670
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,880
Yeah, we all knew, right, we had known for a while.

671
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:02,559
I think with the amount of tabulated
ballots that were released publicly, I

672
00:41:02,559 --> 00:41:05,760
know it's not definitive, but I
think everyone kind of. I mean,

673
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,559
it's basically become like the Woes and
Sham's announcing the draft picks before they're actually

674
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,960
call We just know who wins all
these awards based on the straw poles that

675
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,119
are out there. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I was furious Joker's a

676
00:41:17,159 --> 00:41:21,039
fake. No, I'm kidding.
I thought I thought Nicol yok the creation

677
00:41:21,079 --> 00:41:24,239
of the spreadsheet leaves. Yeah,
yeah, No, that's the stupidest thing.

678
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:28,760
Like you can look at the most
basic of stats, Yoka's clearly rocks

679
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,400
and all of them like this is
not you know, screen assists or warp

680
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:37,280
per thirty six or whatever, Like
it's very obvious what he does, Like

681
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:38,960
you don't need any of these things, Like you can throw out all the

682
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:44,079
schlarps. Zak Low would say,
it's very easy to tell that Nicola yokas

683
00:41:44,159 --> 00:41:47,119
rocks. I thought the records thing
was overblown. I thought any of Janni's

684
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:52,559
Embiid yokis were deserving. I do
think Janni should have finished ahead of Embiid.

685
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,639
That's my hottest MVP take ahead of
Embid on my hypothetical bout. If

686
00:41:55,639 --> 00:41:59,119
that's any consolation, Yeah, I
mean, I just thought the way that

687
00:41:59,199 --> 00:42:00,960
both of those teams did the season, it was better for your honest although,

688
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:06,039
I think I think Johannis had a
sliver of a chance after the Sixers

689
00:42:06,039 --> 00:42:09,119
and Nets wins the same week,
and then they like implode versus Dallas and

690
00:42:09,159 --> 00:42:13,360
just had a pretty end of the
season from there. So you know,

691
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,000
I just think because of Brooks injury
and because of the run they had prior

692
00:42:17,039 --> 00:42:21,800
to this season, Milwaukee kind of
was just like, let's just get through

693
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,320
it, Like, let's just survive
this regular season, have a good enough

694
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:29,039
seed, and we'll go. Well, we know what really matters here,

695
00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:31,480
right is the playoffs. It's unfortunate. I think regular season stuff matters,

696
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:36,519
but from Milwaukee in particular, it's
not their goal, and I think Lopez

697
00:42:36,639 --> 00:42:39,400
not being there really hurt their defense, which also hurt Janniss dpoy case.

698
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,159
So I kind of went through the
whole year like, yeah, he's probably

699
00:42:43,159 --> 00:42:45,880
not going to get anything except first
team All NBA, which is fine.

700
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:47,800
There's a lot of great players in
the league, and the Bucks are really

701
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:52,519
not a all that fun story this
year watching them every game, it was

702
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:55,199
like, oh my god, they
have so many stinkers. The defense isn't

703
00:42:55,199 --> 00:42:59,960
good, Like it's very mad.
So I thought Yo Kisch was a deserving

704
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:02,000
winner. I think he's gonna now
suffer from the honest thing. I don't

705
00:43:02,039 --> 00:43:07,320
think he'll touch another one until he
has more postseason success. I think,

706
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:08,599
you know, you win and then
get swept out of the playoffs twice.

707
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:14,119
It's not his fault by any means. The Nuggets are a hospital unit right

708
00:43:14,119 --> 00:43:16,519
now. But I do think he's
now going to suffer from that same deal

709
00:43:16,639 --> 00:43:20,760
of like he probably just won't win
again until he can go, you know,

710
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,960
win a finals or have another gutsy
playoff performance, which he has done

711
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:27,159
before. But I do think he'll
probably suffer from that now and someone like

712
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,400
mb or Luca or maybe honest,
we'll have a shot next year and there's

713
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:36,480
not a fur over that where it's
like we just know that voter fatigue exists

714
00:43:36,519 --> 00:43:38,599
because how many MVPs will Lebron have
if there wasn't voter fatigue, right,

715
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,880
and that's just a matter of fact. I can't stand the I'm with you

716
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,599
on everything you said too. I've
seen people compare this, Oh, we're

717
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:50,599
gonna look back like we did with
Westbrook in twenty seventeen and say that he

718
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,920
was just like given this artificial bump. I don't think it's gonna be the

719
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:57,559
case because of everything you outlined,
where I feel like most of the levelhead

720
00:43:57,559 --> 00:44:00,800
of people were transparent that it could
be Yoki Yannis. A lot of this

721
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,000
comes down to a matter of preference, A lot of it comes down to

722
00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:08,000
splitting already split hairs. What I
just can't stand is people saying, oh,

723
00:44:08,039 --> 00:44:10,760
well, you're focusing on the numbers
too much. Watch the games,

724
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:15,239
and then their inclination is just to
cite the numbers of seeds or the number

725
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:19,119
of victories that a team has.
Wins aren't a player stat, like they're

726
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:22,760
not a player stat. And as
you mentioned, like the gap in victories

727
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:28,000
here was just so small between Joannis
and Ebiad's teams then Yokich's Nugget teams.

728
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,800
I just I don't understand the uproar
and if if you're angry that he's eliminated

729
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:37,199
in the first round of the playoffs. That's another thing I don't get because

730
00:44:37,199 --> 00:44:40,199
it's like, why does it matter
that Joel embiid he helped the Sixers survive

731
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:45,039
without Ben Zimmons, But Yokich helps
the Nuggets survive without Jamal Murray and Michael

732
00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:49,840
Porter Jr. But because they have
zero All Star appearances under their belt,

733
00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:52,360
it's different. I want to know
how many people leading into this season would

734
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,280
have been inclined to say that a
healthy Jamal Murray and Michael Porter Junior would

735
00:44:55,280 --> 00:45:00,239
have been better than Ben Simmons given
the playoff series he had last year.

736
00:45:00,639 --> 00:45:05,320
And I think I'm wondering if this
would my solution here, and look,

737
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,880
if people want a different paddle of
voters. I do think it's a joke.

738
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:08,920
Some of the people that have votes. I do. I do think

739
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,480
some of the ballots are. I
mean, I don't want to I don't

740
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,960
know his name. I don't want
to call out someone too specifically, but

741
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:20,559
the Drummond for dpois Day. I've
seen him in person. He's exactly the

742
00:45:20,559 --> 00:45:22,559
type of person you would think that
he is. Though I have no problem

743
00:45:22,599 --> 00:45:25,880
calling him out. I yeah,
like it's that stuff, and it's there

744
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:30,119
are people who put a lot of
effort into it and there and I'm not

745
00:45:30,159 --> 00:45:32,480
even I have so much respect for
beat writers. I also have so much

746
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:37,719
respect for just localized coverage in general. But like, do these people,

747
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,639
the ones that are especially traveling were
you and I are doing our job from

748
00:45:39,639 --> 00:45:44,360
afar at this point can probably chopper
in for more of these games across different

749
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,079
markets. How many of these beat
writers for specific teams have the time necessary.

750
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,360
I'm not saying pulenty of their votes. I'm just saying like that could

751
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,039
lead to inherently full And there are
people who are talking heads on TV that

752
00:45:54,079 --> 00:45:59,039
are tesked with covering every single sport
under the sun, Like do they have?

753
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,280
So if you have a problem with
the voting process, the fact that

754
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:07,159
there are incentives and max eligibilities tied
to all this, it makes me super

755
00:46:07,159 --> 00:46:08,800
cringing. And if I had a
real vote, I wouldn't actually want the

756
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:14,039
real vote because it would make me
feel dirty. There. I am wondering,

757
00:46:14,039 --> 00:46:20,199
though, would having postseason specific awards
change this at all? Like?

758
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,480
Would it? Would it sort of
make it make it more easier to accept

759
00:46:23,519 --> 00:46:27,800
the results that we're seeing in the
regular season. Yeah, I think so,

760
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,119
and it seems like they're going that
way now. They just announced some

761
00:46:30,159 --> 00:46:34,920
more trophies for like playoff finishers,
and is there a Player one two now

762
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,119
the Larry Bird and Magic One.
I don't remember if that's just for I

763
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:39,920
think it might just be for the
conference champion in general. But I think

764
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,559
I've seen this idea in the last
couple of days. I think they should

765
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:46,159
do an all Playoffs team. I
think if you look whether it's Madness,

766
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,360
Yeah, they did all Bubble team, they do March Madness. I think

767
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,400
does all all teams that n C
and Double A tournament or whatever they call

768
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:57,320
it actually EuroLeague, I think does
an all team? Right? The Olympics,

769
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,039
I think does one is? I
think the NBA Playoffs is like the

770
00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:04,679
only major basketball tournament that does not
release an All Playoffs team afterward. I

771
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,679
think you can do two of them, honestly, first and second team.

772
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,840
I would say no positions because I
think that doesn't help anyone at all.

773
00:47:10,519 --> 00:47:14,559
But I do think that they should
do that, and there should be more

774
00:47:14,639 --> 00:47:20,320
recognition outside of only finals MVP and
obviously the championship and just the last thing

775
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,079
on Yokich. I mean, I
think a fun game for anyone who thinks

776
00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:27,920
he's not deserving at forty eight wins, three less than the Sixers and the

777
00:47:28,639 --> 00:47:32,519
Bucks is go down the rosters of
the Sixers and the Bucks and find the

778
00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:37,440
worst player who would be Yoki's best
teammate. And I think you're going at

779
00:47:37,519 --> 00:47:40,679
least two or three or more players
down in both cases. With Murray and

780
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,360
Michael Porter out for so much of
the season. Yeah, I mean,

781
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,039
look, and this is splitting hairs, but it's like you can even just

782
00:47:47,079 --> 00:47:51,519
look at the top, like Jannesta, Chris Middleton and Drew and then and

783
00:47:51,639 --> 00:47:53,440
B did get James Harden at mid
season, not the James Harden they thought

784
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:57,000
they were going to get. They
had Tyrese Maxie all year and he had

785
00:47:57,039 --> 00:47:59,480
a hell of a season, right
and so and look, that might not

786
00:47:59,519 --> 00:48:02,079
be the way to look at the
MVP. And if that is the case,

787
00:48:02,119 --> 00:48:05,599
like then there needs to be a
sort of a set of criteria,

788
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,360
a minute threshold trying to define value. I think the MBA enjoys that the

789
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:15,320
ambiguity they do of the value valuable. Part of this creates the debate I

790
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,599
would love to see postseason awards though, And let's also I don't know if

791
00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:21,880
this would help, but I think
it would make the discussion more salient,

792
00:48:22,039 --> 00:48:24,159
Like, let's carve out some kind
of a gap between when the votes are

793
00:48:24,199 --> 00:48:28,599
due and the start of the playoffs, and let's let everything just trickle out

794
00:48:28,599 --> 00:48:30,639
then rather than during the postseason.
It's so stupid the way they do it

795
00:48:30,679 --> 00:48:34,679
now, and it is it is
a bad I don't want to say it's

796
00:48:34,679 --> 00:48:37,840
a bad look, but it does
give fuel to the idiots who want to

797
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,599
argue that Yokis was eliminated in the
first round he's the MVP, when you're

798
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:44,679
actually naming him the MVP after he
was eliminated in the first round. Well,

799
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:49,000
it also also, what is the
argument against being able to honor the

800
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,280
player at a home playoff game,
which, certainly for the MVP, they're

801
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,519
always going to be in the first
round. We're never going to see an

802
00:48:54,599 --> 00:48:59,360
MVP who doesn't make the first round. That that, if Yokis didn't make

803
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:00,760
the playoffs, would be on board
saying yeah, he can't be MVP.

804
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:05,199
I think that is a fair threshold, and I don't think that needs to

805
00:49:05,199 --> 00:49:07,280
be codified. Maybe it should be. I don't think it has to be.

806
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,079
I don't think it would ever happen, But that makes so much sense.

807
00:49:09,159 --> 00:49:13,079
Game one, your first or whatever, your first home playoff game is

808
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,920
all of the fans there can celebrate
the award with you. That makes so

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much more sense than you know,
oh, the cool video of Yoka China

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Horse, Yoka China Horse content rules, but it should be in. It

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should be with the fans where the
guy plays. It makes so much sense,

812
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and they're just like, no,
we need to roll it out slowly

813
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during the playoffs so that we can
do our stupid awards show that no one

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watches. And I'm sorry, I'm
sure a lot of people put a lot

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of work into the award show.
Everyone knows the three awards. It's not

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a thing anymore. Didn't get they
don't do They not do it at all.

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Now, that's why the trip.
Oh, that's why they just roll

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it out now and oh okay.
I appreciated the attempt by them to try

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that, but it was just very
clear after the first one, like no

820
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:51,639
one even cares about this anymore because
you just watched the NBA Finals and now

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it's over. Yeah, uh Ti, this was great, Thank you so

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much for hopping on. Are you
able to tell our listeners where they can

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find you and all the fantastic work
that you do. I sure am,

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that's one of the things, the
only things I'm consistently able to do at

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ty Windish on Twitter, t I
W I N d I c H.

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And then euro Step Podcast Network that's
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listen to podcasts, including this fine
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find I believe this fine podcast on
YouTube. We just hit one thousand subs,

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which is a big new congrats.
Yeah, thank you. We can

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monetize, so we've been telling everyone
we need to secure the bag. Help

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us out the tiny bag with everyone, please we'll give it to them.

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Well and well, not there yet, we have to Our ad Sense account

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is linking. There's lot of stuff
still happening apparently, but we're working on

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it, but very happy to get
there and thanks everyone for the support on

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that. And then I got a
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dot com has all of our merch
as well. But yeah, we're covering

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all things Bucks all the time,
and then do some more brewers when that's

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over. On our new Milwaukee Brewers
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a budding giant over at the Eurostep
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the Eurostep Podcast Spelled exactly as it
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That's g y r O Step Podcast
SI. Thank you so much.

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As I'm sure you know by now, I will be pesturing you again in

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the near future. Can't wait.
Man, Thanks for having me again.