WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.280 --> 00:00:05.080 Hello, This is Chris Haskell from They Live by Film. For those that 2 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:08.720 don't know us, Adam Zach and I we built a podcast over the last 3 00:00:08.759 --> 00:00:13.759 two years that's a combination of film discussion from three very different perspectives, as 4 00:00:13.759 --> 00:00:16.839 well as industry interviews with the leaders in Boutique, Blu Ray, and four 5 00:00:16.920 --> 00:00:21.239 Kade community. We started with dev Crocodile, but over time we've been lucky 6 00:00:21.320 --> 00:00:25.719 enough to speak with Aero Video, Severn, Mondo, Macabre, Vinegar Syndrome, 7 00:00:26.160 --> 00:00:29.920 Radiant Syndicator, most of the OCN partner labels. It's been a blast. 8 00:00:30.839 --> 00:00:34.880 You can find us wherever you podcast and also actually recently as part of 9 00:00:35.119 --> 00:01:06.920 someone's favorite production podcast network. We hope to see you online. Hello there, 10 00:01:07.040 --> 00:01:11.359 and welcome back to the Disconnected. I'm here with Damien Lahy, who 11 00:01:11.439 --> 00:01:15.079 is a filmmaker that you're probably going to be hearing quite a bit about over 12 00:01:15.120 --> 00:01:19.680 these next couple of months after this Severn summer sale and everything that is happening 13 00:01:19.680 --> 00:01:23.400 with them. Damien, thank you so much for choosing to do this. 14 00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:27.560 Well, thanks a lot for having me Ryan, I really appreciate it. 15 00:01:29.120 --> 00:01:33.920 I'm ready to mix it up and talk, you know, all things I'm 16 00:01:33.959 --> 00:01:38.599 just looking forward to going down memory lane with my you know, with my 17 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:44.879 own journey over the years, I'm going to be dating myself. So everybody 18 00:01:44.920 --> 00:01:48.959 listening and this should know that that's going to be coming as we talk about 19 00:01:48.959 --> 00:01:53.319 my own kind of relationship with physical media, you know, movies over the 20 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:59.079 uh over the last couple of decades. Yeah, one of the big things 21 00:01:59.239 --> 00:02:02.599 is while you're listening to this, you might hear some audio quirks and I 22 00:02:02.680 --> 00:02:07.719 might have some extra editing on this episode because you happen to be in Karachi. 23 00:02:07.879 --> 00:02:12.639 Can you tell me what you're doing over there right now? Yeah, 24 00:02:12.680 --> 00:02:19.520 So I'm in Karachi, Pakistan right now. I'm actually going to be doing 25 00:02:19.639 --> 00:02:24.360 some spots for UNISAF and I'm doing that in conjunction with a university here. 26 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:29.759 I'm doing that in conjunction with the university here. So I got a grant, 27 00:02:29.840 --> 00:02:34.159 et cetera. So that's what I'm doing here. It is incredibly hot, 28 00:02:34.159 --> 00:02:38.840 as you can imagine. I've been complaining about how humid it is here 29 00:02:38.919 --> 00:02:43.000 in Missouri, but I can't imagine Pakistan in the middle of summer is super 30 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:47.319 comfortable. Right now, Yeah, it's been brutal. It's been brutal with 31 00:02:47.560 --> 00:02:53.840 being over in Pakistan. What is some of the things that has been challenging 32 00:02:53.840 --> 00:02:57.439 other than the heat for you getting used to everything over there. Well, 33 00:02:57.840 --> 00:03:01.039 first off, I want to talk about a glowing positive, and that is 34 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:07.319 Karachi has possibly the best food that I've ever had in my life. Any 35 00:03:07.360 --> 00:03:12.360 and everything you've heard about Karachi cuisine being the best on the planet is absolutely 36 00:03:12.400 --> 00:03:20.000 true. There's not even there's every meal I'm blown away, there is no 37 00:03:20.759 --> 00:03:23.719 I mean, it's almost like I'm without words when it comes to how good 38 00:03:23.719 --> 00:03:27.439 the food is here, you know. I mean, I've had the best 39 00:03:27.479 --> 00:03:30.719 fried chicken of my life. I've had the best smash burgers of my life. 40 00:03:31.159 --> 00:03:34.919 I've had like every time that I have a meal, it's like it's 41 00:03:35.199 --> 00:03:39.360 it's like, you know, magic. So I want to just put over 42 00:03:39.400 --> 00:03:45.120 the cuisine here like nobody's business. And they also have this thing called food 43 00:03:45.199 --> 00:03:50.280 Panda. Okay, so food Panda. You know how we have like the 44 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:55.520 Uber eats in the door dash. Yeah, well for like a fraction of 45 00:03:55.560 --> 00:04:03.520 the cost, but like twenty times the efficiency, you can literally get anything 46 00:04:03.560 --> 00:04:10.840 and everything delivered like within an hour. I'm just food too, But like 47 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:15.439 you know, appliances, you know, whatever you might need. Obviously, 48 00:04:15.639 --> 00:04:21.000 there's been some in regard to I mean, this is an entirely different culture. 49 00:04:21.920 --> 00:04:25.879 Like this is not you know, going to Paris. This is not 50 00:04:26.079 --> 00:04:30.920 going to London, you know what I mean? This is this is definitely 51 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:38.439 a this is a very different culture. Karachi is so so some of the 52 00:04:38.600 --> 00:04:43.439 I would say, I mean, obviously I'm working in conjunction with the university. 53 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:46.920 You know, nobody should visit here unless they're in some sort of official 54 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:54.319 capacity, you know. So, but everybody here has been been been very 55 00:04:54.399 --> 00:04:59.800 nice. There's just been the only if I'm being honest, the only the 56 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:05.920 only kind of hiccups there's ben have been just in some of the language barrier 57 00:05:06.079 --> 00:05:13.319 in regards to some of the housing stuff. Right, So, getting back 58 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:15.360 into it, we've got a lot to talk about. Obviously you mentioned physical 59 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:18.600 media. Uh could you could you just overall? What what's your history with 60 00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:21.639 film? Did you did you grow up loving film? Well, I'm gonna 61 00:05:21.680 --> 00:05:30.040 take this opportunity Ryan to shine a huge spotlight on video magic in Jacksonville Beach, 62 00:05:30.079 --> 00:05:35.040 Florida. Now, without which I would not have the knowledge, the 63 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:43.480 passion that I have today for movies. That place was like film school before 64 00:05:43.519 --> 00:05:46.000 I went to film school. Now, look, at the end of the 65 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:50.879 day, it all begins with the with with the genuine you know, the 66 00:05:50.959 --> 00:05:57.399 interest for it right right. And then pretty much anybody that's into movies or 67 00:05:57.439 --> 00:06:02.240 that's that gets into music or literature. You know, they if they find 68 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:05.560 themselves into something, what do they do. They pick up a biography, 69 00:06:05.759 --> 00:06:11.920 right and you know, they read a biography on the subject and that's gonna 70 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:15.759 you know, talk about the influences of that person, and that's going to 71 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:19.040 lead them down other roads, you know, and et cetera, et cetera. 72 00:06:19.160 --> 00:06:23.439 You know, like I remember the first Bob Doing biography that I read 73 00:06:23.519 --> 00:06:26.600 Behind the Shades when I was like in middle school, and that opened me 74 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:29.199 up to the beats and all sorts of stuff, you know what I mean. 75 00:06:29.240 --> 00:06:32.560 So it's like that with with movies as well. But you know, 76 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:43.480 Video Magic. Video Magic was amazing because they had everything from Kurrasawa, Fellini, 77 00:06:44.360 --> 00:06:48.399 you know, meat Balls movies. You know, they had all the 78 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:54.720 eighties raunchy comedies, they had all the foreign stuff and Tony One, you 79 00:06:54.759 --> 00:06:58.920 know, they had they had you know, they had all the new releases 80 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:00.600 of the day. But they also had you know, they had lots of 81 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:05.399 horror movies. And then of course once once you got older into like junior 82 00:07:05.480 --> 00:07:08.879 and you know, you were like a senior in high school, you know, 83 00:07:08.959 --> 00:07:13.680 you'd go to the back where they had the like seventies exploitation, exploitation 84 00:07:13.839 --> 00:07:20.000 stuff, you know, amazing. So but that video store. Like so, 85 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:25.199 I was always like a raging cinephile from a very young age. Loved 86 00:07:25.279 --> 00:07:30.959 movies. And you know I would go through phases right where I would you 87 00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:34.439 know, watch like I'd watch like like a Woody Allen movie, and I'd 88 00:07:34.519 --> 00:07:38.480 want to watch all of his movies or Alfred Hitchcock, you know what I 89 00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:41.079 mean, things like that. Yeah, of course, and you know a 90 00:07:41.120 --> 00:07:46.439 lot of us are that generation. You're my age, right, Uh, 91 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:51.040 I'm mid thirties, all right, Well I'm ten years older than you. 92 00:07:51.319 --> 00:07:59.160 So like for a common thing for our generation was that, like the parents 93 00:07:59.279 --> 00:08:05.519 restricted the R rated movies pretty heavily, so like you weren't allowed to watch 94 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:09.680 like many of us weren't allowed to watch R rated movies. And then you 95 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:16.120 know we could only watch them if they were if they were on television where 96 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:20.240 they had all the bad stuff cut out, right. So, but like 97 00:08:20.360 --> 00:08:24.319 once you got into once you got into middle school, you know, the 98 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:28.399 parents pretty much gave up on that and they, you know, they'd go 99 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:31.439 to the video store with the kids, and you know, because you know, 100 00:08:31.480 --> 00:08:35.120 you're at that age where the kids are all wanting to do sleepovers and 101 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:37.279 stuff, and they want to watch horror movies or they want to watch raunchy 102 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:43.799 R rated you know, comedies because they want to see topless chicks or or 103 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:46.320 whatever, you know what I mean. And I mean a lot of people, 104 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:50.480 you know, a lot of people don't understand that about those movies then. 105 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:56.600 But that was a you know, you didn't have the internet. You 106 00:08:56.639 --> 00:09:03.000 didn't have the Internet with tons of like graphic sexual content that you could access 107 00:09:03.039 --> 00:09:07.200 for free twenty four hours a day of course, right, you know what 108 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:11.799 I mean. Like like when when you would get into high school, you 109 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:15.919 would have like you know, some kids would steal like porno tapes from their 110 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:20.559 like dads and you know pass it around, right Like that was like finding 111 00:09:20.639 --> 00:09:24.600 magazines buried in the forest or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Ryan, 112 00:09:24.639 --> 00:09:33.039 you are spot on. So so you know that was the So that 113 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:37.559 was how like that was like marketable, right, like that made that drew 114 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:43.159 audiences to those movies was that they promised that kind of you know, those 115 00:09:43.360 --> 00:09:46.679 those kind of thrills, you know what I mean, of course, and 116 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:52.519 you know, being kids that didn't have access to that, you know that 117 00:09:52.519 --> 00:09:56.679 that was definitely a draw of some of those movies, you know what I 118 00:09:56.720 --> 00:10:00.240 mean. I mean, it wasn't the only thing. We also want to 119 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:03.879 watch good movies, but that was certainly, you know, a thing, 120 00:10:03.639 --> 00:10:07.960 and so so we started, you know, we would you know, once 121 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:15.240 we you know, video video Magic had all those like Eye of the Eagle, 122 00:10:15.440 --> 00:10:20.919 those cheesy action movies by that Santiago guy that Tarantino loves. I mean, 123 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:24.399 it had all the like full cheek gates of hell, you know what 124 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:28.600 I mean, It had all like uh and you know, Beyond the Darkness 125 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:35.360 by Joe Diamado. You know, so once we got into that stuff in 126 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:39.399 like middle school, and I actually wrote an entire article about the first time 127 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:43.759 that we all had a sleepover, and like we we we rented Beyond the 128 00:10:43.840 --> 00:10:48.840 Darkness, not knowing anything about it and not having seen anything like that in 129 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:54.519 our lives. Like we just we just sat there in complete silence, like 130 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:58.799 staring at at the screen but after that, and by the way, for 131 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:05.559 all those listening, Severn has a great addition of that available. But yes, 132 00:11:05.679 --> 00:11:11.759 yes, and so that pretty much started the like floodgates, right. 133 00:11:11.879 --> 00:11:16.559 So then you would have like sleepovers and they had a theme. Right, 134 00:11:16.600 --> 00:11:22.279 So we would have friends over and we'd have barbecue and we'd watch like three 135 00:11:22.519 --> 00:11:26.080 you know, we'd watched the Texas Chainsaw massacre movies, right, or or 136 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:33.320 we'd we we'd rent all the like Dead Stalker movies and have a Chinese feast, 137 00:11:33.919 --> 00:11:39.399 you know what I mean. And and so that was kind of and 138 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:43.679 you know Dawn of the Dead, right, Dawn of the Dead, Day 139 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:46.559 of the Dead, those were huge. Oh yeah. And keep in mind 140 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:50.399 though that like when when we were watching like a Dawn of the Dead then 141 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:56.759 like you couldn't tell like like right now everybody recognizes Dawn of the Dead as 142 00:11:56.759 --> 00:12:01.480 a classic American movie, like not just a great horror movie, like it's 143 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:07.320 a classic movie, but like noe, like parents didn't believe that. I 144 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:09.120 mean, like I mean, like you would get pushed back if you tried 145 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:16.080 to, like legitimately say Dawn of the Dead was a great movie because it 146 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:20.759 wasn't recognized as one you know what I mean, like even by critics, 147 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:28.279 you know, and so but that led to when later when I was in 148 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:35.279 high school, you know, Suspiria, the letterbox version of Suspiria was on 149 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:41.519 the new releases display at Video Magic, right, And I had never heard 150 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:46.960 of that movie, and to be honest, like I didn't think it looked 151 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:54.039 that interesting on the cover. But letterbox videos were such a rare thing then, 152 00:12:54.320 --> 00:12:58.799 and especially to rent a letterbox video, right, you know what I 153 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:01.480 mean. I mean, so I had to get it. And that was 154 00:13:01.519 --> 00:13:05.159 like a life changer, you know, because because keep in mind at that 155 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:11.039 point, you know, video collecting, like I was on the Columbia House 156 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:16.360 tip. You know, yep, yep, Columbia House Baby, you know 157 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:20.320 it. I was on the Columbia House Tip. And and you know, 158 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:26.879 like my main thing had been like collecting all the marks the Brothers movies nice, 159 00:13:28.720 --> 00:13:31.480 you know, and I had like a bunch of money python, and 160 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:33.440 you know, I had a bunch of like, you know, the kind 161 00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:37.840 of standard stuff and like the only like letterbox movie I had that was two 162 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:45.480 thousand and one of Space Odyssey one. And if I remember though, I'm 163 00:13:45.519 --> 00:13:52.279 pretty sure Spartacus was letterboxed and I had some ben her set where like the 164 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:54.879 chariot race scene was letterbox even though the rest wasn't, which I thought was 165 00:13:54.919 --> 00:13:58.200 like so cheesy. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like that's the 166 00:13:58.279 --> 00:14:03.120 lame. It's like some of those films nowadays. Let's switch to imax aspect 167 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:07.879 ratio just for a couple of scenes and then go back right right, So 168 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:13.120 I mean, you know, but but you couldn't. You couldn't tell, 169 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:18.879 like people didn't understand. People were were ignorant about the formats back then. 170 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:24.399 So like if you went to somebody's house and they had a laser disc player, 171 00:14:24.559 --> 00:14:30.000 like kids would make fun of that as a cheaper format, you know 172 00:14:30.039 --> 00:14:35.480 what I mean, you didn't know we had, you know, and so 173 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:41.919 but you know you had to go to you know, keep in mind that, 174 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:43.759 like you had to go to these video stores and rent these movies, 175 00:14:43.879 --> 00:14:48.879 like to discover like Once One a Time in America is a great movie that 176 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:52.559 it is, right, I mean, you weren't going to find I mean, 177 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:56.879 but you know a video Magic had, you know, the foreign stuff, 178 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:01.600 you know, had Zang's movie, you know, had had you know, 179 00:15:01.799 --> 00:15:07.480 all sorts of stuff like that. You know, I remember renting Judo 180 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:13.200 from there? You know the scent of green papaya, you know what I 181 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:22.240 mean, germinal? You know that that that World War two variation they did 182 00:15:22.279 --> 00:15:26.159 of Lame Miser Rob. Do you remember that? I think so, yeah, 183 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:31.600 what that was. I'm trying to think of about what year that was 184 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:35.200 because my family, for some reason was not huge on musicals, but my 185 00:15:35.720 --> 00:15:41.200 dad loved Lame miss and I swear I've seen probably every iteration growing up, 186 00:15:41.320 --> 00:15:45.399 and so that one's a drama, that one's a World War to drama with 187 00:15:45.480 --> 00:15:50.519 no singing, right right, Yes, that story was just something that spoke 188 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:54.279 to him for some reason. But that's a weird tangent with video magic. 189 00:15:54.360 --> 00:15:58.399 One thing that a lot of people don't really hit on nowadays that we've lost 190 00:15:58.440 --> 00:16:02.279 with this video store era. I got to ask about your person because most 191 00:16:02.279 --> 00:16:06.039 of us that grew up in that era, we had at least one person 192 00:16:06.120 --> 00:16:08.639 that you were maybe not like close friends with, but they would be the 193 00:16:08.720 --> 00:16:12.679 clerk at these video stores that would be like, hey, Damian, I 194 00:16:12.759 --> 00:16:15.879 know you, I know you, like, we just got this in and 195 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:19.639 I think you're gonna love it. And it's something that we have crucially lost 196 00:16:19.799 --> 00:16:26.240 in twenty twenty four, because nowadays we're relying on algorithms and hoping that Netflix 197 00:16:26.279 --> 00:16:30.159 does this right for people, and the world is so different that you're not 198 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:33.840 going to be able to discover some of these classics that you're bringing up that 199 00:16:34.399 --> 00:16:41.799 when you were thirteen years old and finding foundational films for you in your home 200 00:16:41.879 --> 00:16:45.240 video store. Where are we going to get that sort of an opportunity for 201 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:51.440 the future generations. Well, here's the thing is that you know a lot 202 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:56.720 of it. You know, my guide was Video Movie Guides. Yeah, 203 00:16:57.000 --> 00:17:03.440 you know, but there were a couple the owner and the manager of Video 204 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:08.599 Magic. We're definitely helpful in me, you know, pointing out stuff to 205 00:17:08.680 --> 00:17:11.039 me, you know what I mean, like, oh man, you're on 206 00:17:11.319 --> 00:17:15.440 our geno kick. We got the Church in you know what I mean. 207 00:17:15.559 --> 00:17:21.880 I remember that specifically and going to getting the church, you know, but 208 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:26.079 a lot of times I would just you know, once I saw Suspiria, 209 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:30.599 you know, I went ahead and went to the video of the movie guide 210 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:33.480 and looked up his name and saw all the movies that he directed, and 211 00:17:33.559 --> 00:17:37.079 then went to the video store and tried to find him. And actually, 212 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:41.480 what's funny is that you know, we've got to mention, of course phenomena 213 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:49.079 in there. But what's funny though, is that the first video store that 214 00:17:49.240 --> 00:17:56.759 we ever frequented as a family in Manchester, the Connecticut only had one poster 215 00:17:57.559 --> 00:18:04.720 in the entire store. And it was a mega poster, like a huge 216 00:18:04.880 --> 00:18:11.359 like you know, like the ones that were like double the size of a 217 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:18.599 normal twenty seven by forty. It was this mega poster for Creepers. And 218 00:18:18.519 --> 00:18:25.480 I used to tell my my parents that it was like, you know that 219 00:18:25.519 --> 00:18:29.519 it was like really scary. I thought it was scary. And years later, 220 00:18:30.440 --> 00:18:33.279 when I, you know, after I started getting into our geno, 221 00:18:33.359 --> 00:18:36.720 after I saw Suspiria and you know, Demons and you know, I started 222 00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:41.519 digging through his filmography and Creepers was at the store and I saw the box 223 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:45.359 and I was like, oh my gosh, I haven't seen this artwork since 224 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:49.880 that video store in Connecticut all those years ago. So that was wild. 225 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:57.079 And that's that's a crazy movie. And it's very it's very borderlines on silly, 226 00:18:57.160 --> 00:19:02.880 and but it's it's a aged extremely well because it ventures into that like 227 00:19:03.039 --> 00:19:08.319 gonzo territory, but it still has that artistic style to it. So again 228 00:19:08.440 --> 00:19:15.160 you know, you know, we we had mentioned the the Broken Mirrors, 229 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:18.920 Broken Minds book by mainly mcdone. I hope that I pronounced that name correctly 230 00:19:19.599 --> 00:19:26.680 talking about just that very very unique stylish tone, that combination of elements, 231 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:33.119 that wild alchemy that only our Geno could kind of create. And the the 232 00:19:33.160 --> 00:19:37.240 same with Sam Peg and Paw. I consider Peg and Paw and our Geno 233 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:38.880 kind of very similar, you know what I mean, They had very much 234 00:19:38.960 --> 00:19:47.880 like signature. They had very signature styles that when they came together just in 235 00:19:47.960 --> 00:19:51.559 that way, like it couldn't be duplicated, and they had a hard time 236 00:19:51.640 --> 00:19:56.160 duplicating it themselves, you know what I mean. But but uh, when 237 00:19:56.200 --> 00:20:00.559 you look at our Geno's films and just that you know that run right of 238 00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:04.960 like good to great films, like he has very many like so if you 239 00:20:06.039 --> 00:20:08.599 have like bird with a crystal plumage, you have like Cato nine tails, 240 00:20:08.759 --> 00:20:18.240 right, you have Profundo Rosso, you have a Sisteria, you have Phenomena, 241 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:25.319 you have Tenna Bray, you have Opera, you know what I mean. 242 00:20:25.960 --> 00:20:29.519 I've never been a big fan of Inferno, but but a lot of 243 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:33.440 a lot of people consider that as part of his like you know, his 244 00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:36.920 like great run, you know, and then you had, you know, 245 00:20:37.039 --> 00:20:41.519 his segment of Two Evil Eyes, which is very good. And then so 246 00:20:41.640 --> 00:20:45.839 that's like that's like a very so when when when you were so when when 247 00:20:45.839 --> 00:20:51.759 you were our generation, you know, getting into our geno before you know, 248 00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:56.400 the kind of like fall off in quality, like like I mean you 249 00:20:56.480 --> 00:21:02.759 were you were coming into our geno and it was literally just you were picking 250 00:21:02.839 --> 00:21:07.559 up on just this fantastic run where it was like almost the majority of his 251 00:21:07.960 --> 00:21:14.279 filmography was like what was like awesome, you know, and again it was 252 00:21:14.319 --> 00:21:18.880 either good too, like great you know. And actually, speaking speaking of 253 00:21:19.839 --> 00:21:26.720 I know Severin did a release of it. I'm not sure if David Gregory 254 00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:33.160 sent it to me in a gift package. I think he did, But 255 00:21:33.279 --> 00:21:37.400 I still to this day have not seen Four Flies on Great Velvet. Yeah, 256 00:21:37.480 --> 00:21:41.359 I have not seen Like that's one that really disappeared. There was a 257 00:21:41.359 --> 00:21:47.359 lot of that going on. Like Okay, like I saw, like, 258 00:21:47.599 --> 00:21:51.720 you know, when I was about eleven years old and I had never seen 259 00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:56.799 a Kliniesud movie and like Two Meals for Sister Sarah came on HBO one afternoon, 260 00:21:56.440 --> 00:22:00.720 right and I was like I was like, oh my God, Like, 261 00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:03.960 I've never seen anybody this fucking cool in my life. Like I mean, 262 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:07.440 it was just like, I mean, it was like jaw dropping. 263 00:22:07.480 --> 00:22:10.720 I was just like, I can't believe that this guy is that Like, 264 00:22:10.720 --> 00:22:14.720 like you know, like before I was like Harrison Ford, you know what 265 00:22:14.799 --> 00:22:18.039 I mean, because like our generation was obsessed with him and it was a 266 00:22:18.039 --> 00:22:21.119 big deal. Whenever he had a movie coming out and stuff, it was 267 00:22:21.319 --> 00:22:26.440 huge. A lot of people today will never understand what a huge deal Harrison 268 00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:30.799 Ford was. But like, you know, but again, so then you 269 00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:36.160 know, you've got Clint Eastwood, right, and then you know, but 270 00:22:36.519 --> 00:22:40.799 with somebody like him, you know, you would be going to the video 271 00:22:40.920 --> 00:22:45.640 store in renting the movies that they weren't playing on cable, right, right. 272 00:22:45.680 --> 00:22:51.720 So, like what a lot of people don't understand is how much commercial 273 00:22:51.880 --> 00:23:00.160 cable raised people in regards to their their film education. Oh yeah, right. 274 00:23:00.640 --> 00:23:07.599 So, like the reason that like Kurt Russell is so well known to 275 00:23:07.799 --> 00:23:12.599 people from all walks of life is that, like he was literally the king 276 00:23:12.759 --> 00:23:19.960 of commercial television, like it for decades. Like the thing when I was 277 00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:25.559 in when I was in sixth grade, the thing was on TV every week, 278 00:23:26.440 --> 00:23:30.079 you know what I mean, like he had so many movies in rotation 279 00:23:30.279 --> 00:23:33.839 like that, it was like the thing. And he had this terrible movie 280 00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:40.160 with Robin Williams that even got a lot of play. The mean season was 281 00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:45.160 on like every other week, and then you know, and then he had 282 00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:49.559 what was that Overboard was on every other week on you know, Board was 283 00:23:49.599 --> 00:23:56.960 always on, and then you had you know, Executive Decision is like the 284 00:23:56.279 --> 00:24:03.359 is like one of the biggest smash hits on commercial television ever, you know 285 00:24:03.400 --> 00:24:07.839 what I mean. And then and then break down like you can find like 286 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:11.240 I mean, to this day those movies like if you're flipping through the channels, 287 00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:15.640 you will find them, you know what I mean. Like Kurt Russell 288 00:24:15.799 --> 00:24:22.440 was just like the king of commercial television, and so many of his movies 289 00:24:23.440 --> 00:24:29.480 were we were played and then ones that got played out got replaced by new 290 00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:33.000 ones. And he was never a big guy at the box office, Like 291 00:24:33.079 --> 00:24:37.880 he wasn't lighting up at the box office. But like kids loved Big Trouble 292 00:24:38.039 --> 00:24:45.400 in Little China. You Little China on TNT probably forty five times in my 293 00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:49.559 life. Yeah, yeah, like you know, like but you know how 294 00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:55.839 Mark Singer had beast Master. Oh yeah, that was like the biggest like 295 00:24:55.839 --> 00:24:59.759 like cable TV hit of all time. Well, like Kurt Russell had like 296 00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:07.720 eight beast Masters, you know what I'm saying, So like yeah, yeah, 297 00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:15.000 so like so so Kurt Russell had this huge like shelf life because like 298 00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:18.839 I remember years later people would be would would say, you know, oh 299 00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:23.079 man, they were like, you know, Kurt Russell's a lucky guy because 300 00:25:23.119 --> 00:25:27.720 like his movies don't do so hot at the box office, and I'm like, 301 00:25:29.079 --> 00:25:34.240 yeah, but like they're absolutely they're like smash hits on commercial like television, 302 00:25:34.319 --> 00:25:41.799 Like we can't escape Kurt Russell on TV, you know. And so 303 00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:45.200 so like with guys like that, you know, you would go to the 304 00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:51.960 video store and rent the ones that weren't readily available on TV. So like 305 00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:53.799 for example, Clint Eastwood, you would have to go to the video store 306 00:25:55.359 --> 00:25:59.079 to rent Hockey Talk Man, Right, you would have to go to the 307 00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:03.119 video store and rent Bird. You'd have to go to the videos store in 308 00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:08.799 rent you know, tightrope. Right, So like you would like fill in 309 00:26:08.359 --> 00:26:15.880 in in those gaps, you know. And so but when I saw when 310 00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:21.680 I saw you know, Terror at the opera, Right, we're gonna where 311 00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:26.079 we're gonna tie this back to the Argeno thing. But I first, I 312 00:26:26.200 --> 00:26:32.960 do have been and aside about something because they release, you know, they 313 00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:38.279 release for like Demons and and you know Zombie by Luccio Fulgi. They release 314 00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:42.440 a new box set for these movies like every six months. You know what 315 00:26:42.440 --> 00:26:48.960 I mean? And I will say this about Demons is that shortly after I 316 00:26:49.039 --> 00:26:55.640 saw Suspiria. This is like a pet Peeve story. Shortly after I saw 317 00:26:55.799 --> 00:27:00.319 Suspiria, I was at I had a friend spend the night, and we 318 00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:03.599 went to the mall. My mom took us stood to the mall and we 319 00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:08.279 went to sun Coast Video. Okay, and which is where I you know, 320 00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:12.000 I got a lot of my stuff, especially in college. Film school 321 00:27:12.039 --> 00:27:17.079 is when I got more stuff from Sun Coast Video. But Sun Coast Video 322 00:27:17.920 --> 00:27:23.119 had a movie called Demons, and it had this. It said Dario Argenno 323 00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:33.000 presents Demons, and it had this suspended in air illustration of a demon hand 324 00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:41.720 holding an entire film audience in it classic. It's one of the best covers 325 00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:48.680 for a movie I've ever seen, and a fucking poster for a horror movie. 326 00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:55.920 And they don't use it on any of these The releases, they use 327 00:27:56.000 --> 00:28:03.000 this tacky shot of like of like the people coming through the fog, yeah, 328 00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:07.440 or they used the like the image of that stupid looking demon head, 329 00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:12.640 which it actually works within that context of the movie, but it doesn't work 330 00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:17.680 as the cover of the thing, not at all. And I'm like, 331 00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:22.160 I'm like, how come you can't get that artwork? And here's what's funny, 332 00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:26.480 Ryan, is that, like I don't I don't know why I get 333 00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:30.359 like this, but like I've actually like not, I've not purchased it because 334 00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:33.559 it doesn't have that artwork because it like bugs me, you know what I 335 00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:38.480 mean. Yeah, And then and then I was kind of bothered when I 336 00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:42.160 think I think was it era? And by the way, Errow do wonderful 337 00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:45.440 stuff. Okay, I'm not dragging anybody. Arrow do wonderful stuff. I've 338 00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:51.279 got a lot of their discs, okay. But when they did that that 339 00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:56.440 release where they like paired the second one with it, right, because because 340 00:28:56.440 --> 00:28:59.839 they were kind of like, you know, we know which one's gonna be 341 00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:06.400 moving units, right, So they tried to get you to get They tried 342 00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:11.039 to get they tried to get you to get that second one along along with 343 00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:15.039 it. I was like I don't think so, but but so anyway, 344 00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:25.839 so that was actually my second my second Dariel Argenta. Now I don't know 345 00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:30.319 if you I don't know if you know this though, but again because you're 346 00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:36.480 you're younger than me, but like, you know, I started to get 347 00:29:36.519 --> 00:29:40.599 really into his films, right, and you know, I picked up Broken 348 00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:44.960 Mirrors, Broken Minds by Maitland McDonough, and you know, I you know, 349 00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:48.680 I saw Tear at the Opera unsane. You know, Kennebray was unsane 350 00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:56.279 on video and and but here's the deal, though, is that, you 351 00:29:56.319 --> 00:29:59.720 know, I started getting really into them. And I would sometimes spend the 352 00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:10.480 s in Connecticut with my grandmother and she knew Cato nine Tails interesting. And 353 00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:15.079 the reason is that, you know, Cato nine Tales was great PG. 354 00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:23.039 You know, it was in public domain and it starred Carl Maldon, who 355 00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:30.200 was like huge with that generation, right, like he was super big with 356 00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:38.119 The Murder She wrote generation because he had multiple movies that appealed to that generation 357 00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:44.640 that like he didn't necessarily star in, but he co starred in and they 358 00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:49.279 were always on TV for that older generation, and he had like this huge 359 00:30:49.480 --> 00:30:56.000 run. I forget what I want to say American Express. It's something like 360 00:30:56.079 --> 00:31:03.039 that American Express or Travelers checks like commercials, right, and so so Cato 361 00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:08.400 nine Tails actually got a lot of television play, like my grandmother had had 362 00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:14.480 had had seen that one like a couple of times. And but and for 363 00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:22.240 for years though once the like video you know, once like video like selling 364 00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:26.240 kind of like reached a crescendo. I can't tell you the amount of times 365 00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:30.200 that I would be at the at CBS or like Walgreens, or I would 366 00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:34.000 be at the uh the grocery store, you know, and they'd have like 367 00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:41.559 all those like like long like standard play whatever, those standard play like cheap 368 00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:45.759 VHS tapes for like five bucks. Yeah, you know what I'm talking about, 369 00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:51.160 and Cato Cato nine Tales would would be in there like all the time. 370 00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:56.000 Uh well, but I will try to share this with the viewers. 371 00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:59.039 I just found something I want to share with you. Somebody mocked up a 372 00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:04.960 fake Aero cover for Demons. Look at that, Yes, thank you Ryan 373 00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:08.920 that whoever did that props to you, Like that's the set. Hey, 374 00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:15.440 I would have bought that with Demons too, right without without blinking twice, 375 00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:20.240 I would have bought that and I would have been cool with them, you 376 00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:23.200 know, slide some demons too on me. I would have been cool with 377 00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:29.720 it if they had had that artwork. That's one of my Yeah, yeah 378 00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:34.680 maybe maybe, well maybe in six months when they released another box set for 379 00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:37.440 it. Yeah, you know what I mean. Well, I mean that's 380 00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:40.559 a good transition too. With all these films that we grew up loving, 381 00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:46.680 how how are you feeling seeing some of these literally like better presented than they've 382 00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:51.039 ever been seen before. Are there any that have really blown your mind over 383 00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:53.559 the last couple of years? You know what. I'm so glad you asked 384 00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:59.720 me this question. Here's the bottom line. Okay, a lot of people 385 00:32:59.799 --> 00:33:06.519 are gonna bristle when I say this. The best way a movie will ever 386 00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:10.480 look to you is the first time you watched it and fell in love with 387 00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:15.079 it. I love you so much pursuing that that is such a perfect response. 388 00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:21.359 You know, I can't tell you the amount of I mean, you 389 00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:27.559 know, you know, even if you had like a big TV when you 390 00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:30.480 were my when you were coming up in my age, if you had a 391 00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:35.279 bigger TV or like a larger one, it wasn't large enough to really do 392 00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:38.759 any movie justice, right, but like you know and so, but like 393 00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:43.599 when I was in film school, man and I had like when I was 394 00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:45.920 in film school and in my dorm move when I had a thirteen is is 395 00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:50.640 TV that had a VCR. You know, I can't tell you the amount 396 00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:54.359 of movies that I watched that you know, that's the best, that's the 397 00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:59.319 best way that I've ever seen them. And then when I walk away from 398 00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:04.000 it, Ryan like I, when I look back on them, I see 399 00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:09.039 them as looking great. So I went so like years later, when I 400 00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:15.599 watched like a restored version, all I say to myself is, you know 401 00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:20.800 what, that's definitely I bet not how it looked when I first saw it, 402 00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:25.320 but in my memories afterwards, that's how I saw it as wow, 403 00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:30.199 you know what I mean. So I so when I see when I say, 404 00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:35.119 I'm so glad you touched been on this, because when I see people 405 00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:40.199 say stuff like you know, you know, when I see posts, you 406 00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:45.559 know, our social media and you know the cinemaniacs, and some of them 407 00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:51.320 say say stuff like you know, you know, when I can say with 408 00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:57.440 absolute certainty that you have not seen this movie before, you know what I 409 00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:00.920 mean, Like you can't say you've seen this movie, nless you get this 410 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:05.239 new version of it, you know what I mean. And when I see 411 00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:07.960 stuff like that, I just, you know, I gotta be honest, 412 00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:10.440 Ryan, I kind of roll my eyes like I don't see it. You 413 00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:17.599 know, I don't see it. And especially you know when it's you know, 414 00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:22.159 when it's when it's Demons two, you know what I mean. And 415 00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:27.880 look, it's really it's really it's really hard to get a film made. 416 00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:30.880 So you know, it's really hard to get a film made. So I 417 00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:35.840 respect anybody that can get over it then in this business, But I don't 418 00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:40.960 see how, you know, like like if I was to watch a restored 419 00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:46.159 and remastered version of some of these movies that you know, it's going to 420 00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:50.360 be like a whole different story for me. It just isn't, you know. 421 00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:54.719 It's just not from where I'm coming from. You know. The only 422 00:35:54.760 --> 00:35:58.880 thing I think is really changed by some of these is when the first time 423 00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:01.199 you saw it was, oh, I'm not trying to speak for you, 424 00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:05.679 but one of those awful VHS payments scams where a lot of the time you 425 00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:09.400 couldn't even see two thirds of the movie, right, Like I agree with 426 00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:14.559 again, though, the first time I watched The Exorcist when I was young, 427 00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:22.159 and a perfect example of what I'm talking about in regard to the best 428 00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:27.960 time that you first fall fell in love with a movie is, you know, 429 00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:32.880 is the best time that you'll ever see it is. I'm going to 430 00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:40.400 go back with this one and years ago in Connecticut, I was probably nine 431 00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:47.199 years old, and we went to my parents had these friends and we went 432 00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:52.679 to their house. It was Jenny Rizzo's house. She was the same age 433 00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:57.400 as me. And while while while the adults, while the parents all hung 434 00:36:57.440 --> 00:37:01.320 out, hung out and played cards and you know, did whatever upstairs, 435 00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:08.119 Jenny and I were downstairs in the basement with the lights off, and we 436 00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:20.480 watched The Warriors all right, And nothing will ever equal that experience, that 437 00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:24.079 viewing of that film. And you know, we were in the Connecticut, 438 00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:30.159 so that was the New York that we kind of knew, you know, 439 00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:32.639 and kind of heard, you know, whispers about how New York could be 440 00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:38.960 dangerous. Nothing will replicate that first time seeing that movie under those circumstances. 441 00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:44.920 And that's a movie that I resisted revisiting because I didn't want that memory of 442 00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:47.639 it spoiled, that feeling it gave me, like I was there, like 443 00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:52.280 I was there on some late night you know, adventure in the city, 444 00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:57.519 you know, with no parents, you know, nobody, just being young 445 00:37:57.559 --> 00:38:01.719 and wild. And I finally years later got like the director's cut of that 446 00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:07.360 that had this like cartoon stuff added to it. Of course, you're not 447 00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:10.119 going to recreate the memory, right, that great memory of seeing that movie 448 00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:15.000 the first time, the comic book stuff in there. I didn't think that 449 00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:21.960 helped the movie. And that's something about these kind of releases, whether they're 450 00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:28.320 by a boutique or by the studio. The director's cut thing. You know, 451 00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:34.760 obviously you have you have the you have the famous director's cut like Once 452 00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:38.880 by a Time in America, right, which absolutely you know that has a 453 00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:45.880 huge backstory behind it, you know, and you know obviously the director's cut 454 00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:51.280 is superior, you know, But then you have other examples where it's not 455 00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:58.000 so superior. And I think an example of that, for example is Manama 456 00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:04.320 Dais. I don't think that director's cut is better than the theatrical and in 457 00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:08.760 some cases I don't appreciate it when the director's cut is the only thing that's 458 00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:13.719 available, you know what I mean. Obviously, you know, you have 459 00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:22.239 things where the David Fincher approved assembly of Alien three, while not one hundred 460 00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:27.400 percent finished, I find that to be a far superior movie than what the 461 00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:31.400 studio released, even though I've always kind of enjoyed that film more more than 462 00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:37.840 others have, you know, but I don't I don't think that all the 463 00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:46.039 time the director's cut has been is unimprovement, or or rather the uncut version. 464 00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:52.559 So here's another thing, just to just to take this back, just 465 00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:55.400 to use an example of the Colt and horror stuff, since that's kind of 466 00:39:55.400 --> 00:40:02.000 what we've been talking about here. The Night Evelyn Came from the Grave is 467 00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:08.320 a perfect example of this, is that the I grew up the version of 468 00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:13.679 that that I saw, and there's been a bazillion different cuts of that movie, 469 00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:20.280 but I saw a very tight, you know, version of that movie 470 00:40:20.280 --> 00:40:23.519 that was probably like that was that was about five to seven minutes shorter, 471 00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:30.480 and it was a much tighter film. It was a really enjoyable gothic horror 472 00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:36.800 Italian thing that was a twist on the Giallo. It was very unique, 473 00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:40.679 set, very much set itself apart from a lot of that stuff that was 474 00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:44.800 being made. That was more, you know, just a lot of movies 475 00:40:44.840 --> 00:40:50.039 that were copying The Bird with the crystal plumage kind of deal. And you 476 00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:55.440 know, I when Aero released that uncut version, I got it, and 477 00:40:55.800 --> 00:41:00.679 you know, I watched it and I'm sorry, like, I mean, 478 00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:06.599 look, I appreciate you know, I appreciate naked naked women as much as 479 00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:12.079 the next guy. But all that additional footage just made it a soggyar slower 480 00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:15.320 movie. Like it didn't improve it. And I remember, you know, 481 00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:21.880 mentioning that on a on a thread with some other cinemaniacs when we were talking 482 00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:25.239 about that you know, release, and a lot of other folks jumped in 483 00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:29.920 and they were like, yeah, I prefer the like tighter cut version that 484 00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:37.199 I saw, you know. So it's not always you know, these these 485 00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:42.679 director's cuts, like The Warrior, The Warriors, the Night Everyone Came from 486 00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:46.320 the Grave. You know, I'm a dais, you know some of some 487 00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:52.159 of these there's a good reason why some things we were cut out of them. 488 00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:58.920 So I I I prefer I prefer that for academic reasons, if there's 489 00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:02.400 a director's cut, you and have a director's cut, and then you should 490 00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:07.920 also have the option of seeing the theatrical cut, especially when there's no like 491 00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:13.840 controversy where it's like this is the version that you were meant to see. 492 00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:19.400 Man if it's literally just the novelty of oh, here's the director's cut before 493 00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:23.159 he approved the theatrical version, which was the successful version. The way they 494 00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:28.440 they position it in that context, in my opinion, you know, matters, 495 00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:32.039 And I just think that, Look, look, obviously, when it's 496 00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:37.280 a movie like Amadaeis, which is a stone cold classic, I don't I 497 00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:39.360 don't know if if this is the same for you, but like that was 498 00:42:39.400 --> 00:42:44.480 a substitute teacher's favorite when I was growing up, because you know what I 499 00:42:44.519 --> 00:42:49.000 mean, like every substitute teacher you know, you know, would go ahead 500 00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:52.559 and put in Amadais for the students. You know, it was either Amedeis 501 00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:58.360 or it was those Edgar Allan Poe Roger Corman productions, you know what I 502 00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:04.480 mean. But you know, I think that, and I'm not sure if 503 00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:08.440 that said I have if I have a menomidaeis has the has the theatrical as 504 00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:15.239 well, But I think that, you know, the option should always be 505 00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:21.079 there unless for some crazy reason it's it's you know, the director has this 506 00:43:21.199 --> 00:43:24.480 vendetta and it's like I never want the theatrical version shown. I just want 507 00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:30.280 my directors cut out very as soon as possible. And I would have I 508 00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:35.280 would have liked to have seen on the Night Evelyn Came from the Grave disc. 509 00:43:35.480 --> 00:43:39.239 I would have liked to have seen one of the shorter versions because like 510 00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:45.039 like me and some other peers were talking about, you know what, so 511 00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:49.719 it didn't have the more exploitive, you know, sexual stuff in it. 512 00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:52.639 All right, it was a tighter, better movie in our opinion. They 513 00:43:52.679 --> 00:44:00.159 didn't just make those cuts because it was nudity. They also made those cuts 514 00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:06.039 because it made it a better film. And I mean Colligula is I mean, 515 00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:12.800 that's that is something that in my opinion, like I've seen I've seen 516 00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:19.360 some version of it that was released years ago on a video and for those 517 00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:23.280 that are for those that found that a fascinating story, like the production of 518 00:44:23.320 --> 00:44:27.280 it and all of that, I'm glad that that's available, you know, 519 00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:30.880 and especially it's good. I read an interview with the lead actor McDowell, 520 00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:36.119 right, and he was, you know, he was talking about how how 521 00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:39.000 glad he was to finally see that. So I'm I'm really glad that that's 522 00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:44.119 available for you know, for those folks, you know what I mean, 523 00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:49.199 Like, I like, that's a that's a phenomenon that I never, like, 524 00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:52.039 you know, really lashed into. But for for fans of that, 525 00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:58.960 I'm certainly glad it's available because it does have a lot of fans. Look, 526 00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:05.239 there's some movies that are actually better. And I was actually having this 527 00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:09.199 conversation with a buddy of mine the other day who has seen the same version 528 00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:15.400 of this movie that I did. We're talking about Caddie Shack and Nice, 529 00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:20.760 and he was in that I can that's like, you know, top twenty 530 00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:28.280 five comedies of all time for me easily. But I was like the television 531 00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:36.239 version, the edited television version that that cuts out a couple scenes that are 532 00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:43.039 just not funny, Like, is the better, tighter version of the movie? 533 00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:46.719 Right? And I know and years later and I must have seen that 534 00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:50.840 movie, like you know, I would I would wear out that, you 535 00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:53.920 know, because back then we taped a lot of movies off television, and 536 00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:59.199 I must have worn I must have worn that friggin thing out like that in 537 00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:04.880 my tape with Okay, here's something for everybody. I'm almost ashamed to admit 538 00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:09.320 this, Ryan, I have seen Dirty Harry the Enforcer over like thirty five 539 00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:19.519 times. How is that fucking possible? So anyway, so anyway, So 540 00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:24.320 but that version of Caddy Shack and then when I like years later, when 541 00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:31.599 I got it on like DVD and I watched it and it had these scenes 542 00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:37.960 added, right, it's completely different movie. It wasn't different. It wasn't 543 00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:43.440 it wasn't different. I mean it was a little bit different, but it 544 00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:49.800 was worse because like these like two scenes. The dookie scene in the swimming 545 00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:55.960 pool is completely not funny. It's so badly done. And the the television 546 00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:02.400 version doesn't have that scene in the in the in the movie, not not 547 00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:07.800 because it's obscene, but for like you know, for like length and commercial 548 00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:13.119 reasons, right right, And but like there's another scene too, But the 549 00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:16.239 movie is a better movie without those scenes. But it's great because I was 550 00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:20.840 actually I was talking to somebody like, you know, time Flies. I 551 00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:24.880 think it was like two years ago, but somebody else on a thread was 552 00:47:24.920 --> 00:47:31.880 like, yeah, the commercial television version, the edit is actually better than 553 00:47:31.880 --> 00:47:37.679 the than the movie. So there's there's stuff like that too. And we're 554 00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:45.079 gonna talk about that with the thing. Because when I first saw the thing, 555 00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:50.079 the version that I saw because that movie was on you know, like 556 00:47:50.480 --> 00:47:52.639 as we discussed, that movie got a lot of TV play. Oh yeah, 557 00:47:52.679 --> 00:48:02.519 but but that that movie, the version that I sew right after the 558 00:48:02.599 --> 00:48:15.480 scene with McCready and what's his name the other guy. Yeah, when McCready 559 00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:21.159 and Childs have their little like eerie kind of discussion to see like maybe one 560 00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:24.960 of them is the thing, right right? Well, the TV version that 561 00:48:25.039 --> 00:48:34.599 I first saw after that scene, there's a shot of the next morning and 562 00:48:36.519 --> 00:48:39.719 a dog, like the same dog from the beginning of the movie, is 563 00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:45.679 running away through the snow. Yeah. Have you ever seen that version? 564 00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:50.679 I may again, just like you, I've seen it so many times. 565 00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:55.599 It sounds familiar, but they all sort of run together over the So that 566 00:48:55.719 --> 00:49:07.079 but that version didn't get as many as many screenings as other versions of the 567 00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:10.079 film. Like John Carpenter changed his mind. But you know as well, 568 00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:14.239 because we're talking about physical media and film and all this, you know, 569 00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:17.440 and we're talking about John Carpenter, you know that like he actually like shot 570 00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:23.559 stuff for the TV version of the Halloween of Halloween. Oh yeah, right, 571 00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:30.360 so like you when you would buy these and that kind of like leads 572 00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:36.119 to some some issues because if you think it's a better movie with those scenes, 573 00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:40.960 you're kind of screwed because they weren't shot to seamlessly be placed in the 574 00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:46.800 actual movie. So when you get like a special edition of Halloween, like, 575 00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:52.199 you can't watch the movie with them in it, with those TV scenes 576 00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:57.039 in the movie. You have to watch them separately. Right. Oh yeah, 577 00:49:57.480 --> 00:50:02.880 So anyway, and we don't get those copies licensed for home video for 578 00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:06.920 anything. Some of these boutiques have been able to do it, but it 579 00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:08.920 seems like, excuse me, it seems like a lot of the studios are 580 00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:14.559 anti going down that path because usually they have to get everybody's sign off. 581 00:50:14.599 --> 00:50:16.559 But man, so many of us, like you were saying, we grew 582 00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:21.119 up with these very specific versions. And I don't know about you, but 583 00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:27.119 I there's so many things I watched so many times, or like burn CDs 584 00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:30.880 in that era of our lives that we were burning everything to CDs. I 585 00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:36.360 just have this mindset where at a certain movie follows another movie because I watched 586 00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:40.000 them back to back on a homemade VHS nine hundred times or a blood CD. 587 00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:44.920 If I hear one song in my mind, the next song is one 588 00:50:44.920 --> 00:50:47.000 that I had on a CD that I made when I was fifteen years old, 589 00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:52.280 and I listened to four thousand times. And so those those those tracks 590 00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:58.079 are like intrinsically linked for a lot of us. No, absolutely, absolutely, 591 00:50:58.119 --> 00:51:00.079 that's a good point. You know. I still remember, you know, 592 00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:05.320 the like uh, you know what, like Little Big Man was on 593 00:51:05.320 --> 00:51:08.760 one of one of those tapes that I had from television that I watched bazillion 594 00:51:08.840 --> 00:51:16.280 times, you know. And but when when you got into physical media, 595 00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:22.920 when you got into movies later on down the road right into I'm talking about 596 00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:30.800 the like late nineties. So the late nineties, Ryan, is when there 597 00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:37.280 was a lot of remastered widescreen stuff being released, Okay, finally, and 598 00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:45.400 what happened was that a lot of companies too were realizing that this cult horror 599 00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:51.960 market was huge. There was a lot of money there. Okay, like 600 00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:58.239 there's not a lot of you know it. I'm sure for the studios it 601 00:51:58.679 --> 00:52:05.440 stings a little bit. But you know there's you know, Oscar winning dramas 602 00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:10.800 that can't sell as much as Friday the Thirteenth Part four and haven't been able 603 00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:15.679 to sell as well as Friday the Thirteenth Part four for decades. Right, 604 00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:23.599 So you have this kind of you have this kind of strange karma right where 605 00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:29.079 you have like you know, like Paramount, for example, was subsidizing all 606 00:52:29.079 --> 00:52:36.039 these A list celebrity dramas that flopped with the profits they made from Star Trek 607 00:52:36.039 --> 00:52:39.679 and Friday the Thirteenth, which they were embarrassed by and didn't think were cool 608 00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:44.840 because they couldn't walk a red carpet with Meryl Streep and Jack Nicholson. Right, 609 00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:49.119 but all the you know, Jack Nicholson is one of my favorite actors, 610 00:52:49.280 --> 00:52:52.599 love love Big Jack. But all these years later, you know what 611 00:52:53.719 --> 00:53:00.599 would you know? Are I mean it like the It fused with Jodie Foster? 612 00:53:01.159 --> 00:53:06.800 And do you see that lighting it up on the boutique label circuit? 613 00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:10.679 No, not at all. None of those movies can even get a release 614 00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:16.000 because you know, the audience that they made them for doesn't buy movies, 615 00:53:16.760 --> 00:53:22.079 right, you know what I mean? So, so what I find interesting 616 00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:30.840 is in look, obviously these boutique labels are doing are doing pretty good, 617 00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:37.639 you know Keino. Look, Look, I just want to say something about 618 00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:42.760 Keno Lorber in particular, and I love Keno. I got a lot of 619 00:53:42.760 --> 00:53:45.559 of their movies. Okay, but I you know, I will say this 620 00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:58.800 is that a lot of these studio flops with a list actors and actresses with 621 00:53:59.000 --> 00:54:04.000 them that are being released. You know, look, there's a lot of 622 00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:09.559 there's a lot of cats that are getting a paycheck, you know, working 623 00:54:09.639 --> 00:54:16.960 on these releases, doing audio commentaries, you know, trying to reevaluate them 624 00:54:17.039 --> 00:54:24.840 as like unappreciated masterpieces, right. And look, sometimes the critics get it 625 00:54:24.920 --> 00:54:30.039 wrong, and as time passes, you know, films are reevaluated and they're 626 00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:36.920 legitimately like classics, like the thing, right, but the thing is the 627 00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:42.320 exception, not the rule. You know, some of those some of those 628 00:54:42.440 --> 00:54:49.360 movies, if you like the actors, they're they're good one and done novelty 629 00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:52.880 watches. But ninety nine percent of the time, I got to say, 630 00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:58.719 the critics, the critics got it right the first time. They were one 631 00:54:58.880 --> 00:55:04.400 star or two st star movies at best then and there are one star and 632 00:55:04.519 --> 00:55:12.280 two star movies now. Love John the Blushi, right, what a great 633 00:55:12.360 --> 00:55:17.920 development backstory it has. But at the end of the day, The Continental 634 00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:23.800 Divide is just not a great movie. It's just not that hot, you 635 00:55:23.840 --> 00:55:28.639 know what I mean. And you know, lots of talented people were kind 636 00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:31.440 of like on the outskirts of it developing it. But you know, and 637 00:55:31.480 --> 00:55:36.440 as much as John you know, Blushi fans with you know, god, 638 00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:39.719 you know, it would be great if there was another classic to add to 639 00:55:39.800 --> 00:55:45.280 the cannon, you know what I mean, Like, it's just it's it's 640 00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:52.719 not you know, it's just not. And look again, everybody involved involved 641 00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:57.800 in that movie talented people, right, but sometimes even the talented people, 642 00:55:57.800 --> 00:56:00.920 you get them all together, that doesn't they're gonna come up short, you 643 00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:08.760 know when it happens. And there's a lot of duds released by some of 644 00:56:08.800 --> 00:56:14.480 these boutique labels, and there's you know a lot of people that are working 645 00:56:14.519 --> 00:56:16.960 on these things and doing these things, trying to push narratives about the quality 646 00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:23.400 of these movies, you know, and I just I just don't think they're 647 00:56:23.440 --> 00:56:31.039 being critical enough. I also feel that way about you know, I'm surrounded 648 00:56:31.039 --> 00:56:39.760 by cinemaniacs that blind by tons of movies from these boutique labels that do like 649 00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:45.079 these exploitation and horror movies. And I've seen most of these movies right right 650 00:56:46.199 --> 00:56:51.440 Because when I was in when I first started going to film school, video 651 00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:55.039 stores were going out of business, and so I bought I would buy all 652 00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:59.920 these like horror collections, from these you know, from these going out of 653 00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:07.039 business sales for yeah yeah, and we're we're we're gonna get more and into 654 00:57:07.079 --> 00:57:08.719 that after I make this point. But you know, I see a lot 655 00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:14.440 of cinemoniacs, you know that like pride themselves I being critics, and you 656 00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:16.639 know, not all of them do, but many of them do. But 657 00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:22.840 I you know, they're they're blind buying a lot of these exploitation like horror 658 00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:29.159 movies, right oh yeah, And like I could you know, I could 659 00:57:29.239 --> 00:57:36.800 count. Actually I don't even think I've seen three times one of them say 660 00:57:37.480 --> 00:57:43.239 this movie stank, Like this was a blind buy and this movie stank, 661 00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:49.039 you know what I mean, Like everyone like they blind by all these movies 662 00:57:49.119 --> 00:57:52.039 and magically everyone that they're just like, oh it was great, so much 663 00:57:52.079 --> 00:57:55.760 fun. Yahd yah dah dah. And I'm like, you know, when 664 00:57:55.800 --> 00:58:02.400 I'm looking at that, I'm like, you know, you've either coincidentally, 665 00:58:02.599 --> 00:58:08.639 just as you know, are very lucky and blind bought bangers every time, 666 00:58:10.159 --> 00:58:15.519 or you're not being honest about the movies you're watching, you know. And 667 00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:20.079 I think sometimes there's some of that going on. I can't argue with that. 668 00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:22.320 One thing I will say, though, is I know that a lot 669 00:58:22.320 --> 00:58:27.519 of younger people that have gotten into film later than a lot of us did 670 00:58:27.559 --> 00:58:31.360 growing up, are discovering what is modern cinema, and when you compare a 671 00:58:31.360 --> 00:58:36.559 lot of the even the schlock from the seventies and eighties, a lot of 672 00:58:36.559 --> 00:58:42.679 it is just more entertaining than most of what they're seeing either in theaters or 673 00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:46.800 the more likely situation is what these streamers are spitting out, which is usually 674 00:58:47.039 --> 00:58:52.320 very low quality, and film to look pretty much exactly the same, I 675 00:58:52.360 --> 00:58:57.400 swear. I think I've read that Netflix has a requirement for what specific cameras 676 00:58:57.400 --> 00:59:00.079 and lenses to you, so that they all look exactly like a very similar 677 00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:04.559 aesthetic. At least. Well, I'm glad you mentioned that, Ryan. 678 00:59:04.639 --> 00:59:08.960 I think that young I think young folks. I mean, there's there's that 679 00:59:09.199 --> 00:59:14.960 intrinsic like sweet spot right with some of that schlocky stuff, in that it's 680 00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:21.000 unintentionally funny y, right, So they're doing the MST three K thing during 681 00:59:21.760 --> 00:59:25.519 you know, and when when when you're talking about the modern the modern genre 682 00:59:25.679 --> 00:59:31.199 stuff doesn't do that. It's either postmodern and in on the joke and intentionally 683 00:59:31.280 --> 00:59:38.159 funny right, or it's more of like it's more like artsy and it's so 684 00:59:38.599 --> 00:59:45.960 slick and produced, yep, that like if it's bad, it's not like 685 00:59:45.159 --> 00:59:50.480 hokey enough to like make fun of it. It's just kind of like this 686 00:59:50.639 --> 00:59:57.519 super slick and polished, dull thing. And and I do want to say 687 00:59:57.519 --> 01:00:02.480 though again, but I'm an independent film you know, so I get it. 688 01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:07.480 It's really hard to make movies. And so nothing against the folks making 689 01:00:07.519 --> 01:00:10.840 these movies because it takes a lot to get in the position to make them. 690 01:00:13.360 --> 01:00:17.719 But they they don't have that kind of how do I say it, 691 01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:25.079 They're not so inane that people can make fun make a good time of it 692 01:00:25.480 --> 01:00:31.760 because it's lame. Does that makes sense? Like they're they're they're they're just 693 01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:36.159 way too polished. They got way too much money behind them. They're way 694 01:00:36.199 --> 01:00:39.280 too like I said, they're way too slick. So that's the genre stuff. 695 01:00:39.519 --> 01:00:44.159 Now, there's a lot of good genre stuff being made, but you're 696 01:00:44.199 --> 01:00:50.119 not going to have something like you're just not gonna have like something like the 697 01:00:50.119 --> 01:00:52.800 the eighties or seventies kind of booms, you know what I mean. And 698 01:00:53.000 --> 01:00:57.760 you know what, that's fine, because you shouldn't try to go back and 699 01:00:57.800 --> 01:01:01.079 replicate that stuff and we're out. We're obviously Ryan's going to have to get 700 01:01:01.079 --> 01:01:10.079 into that discussion because the nostalgia, the nostalgia wanking is like out of control, 701 01:01:12.400 --> 01:01:16.480 you know. And and again, like I think that there's a certain, 702 01:01:17.960 --> 01:01:24.320 a certain burden of responsibility that has to be on the press that covers 703 01:01:24.400 --> 01:01:30.719 these things, right, right, Like every time a horror movie is set 704 01:01:30.760 --> 01:01:36.639 in the eighties, the press and the critics act like it's a new fresh 705 01:01:36.719 --> 01:01:42.119 thing. Like how can like, I like, like, at this point, 706 01:01:42.800 --> 01:01:45.039 if something comes out and it's a horror movie, horror movie set in 707 01:01:45.079 --> 01:01:51.559 the eighties, like you at least have to acknowledge how done to death that 708 01:01:51.719 --> 01:01:54.679 is? Like you can't approach it like, whoa, this is so fresh 709 01:01:54.719 --> 01:01:59.800 and it's got such you know, the eighty style. You know, it's 710 01:01:59.840 --> 01:02:02.679 just such a novelty that we're visiting the eighties, you know what I mean? 711 01:02:02.880 --> 01:02:09.320 There's nothing novel about going back and doing the eighties at this point, 712 01:02:09.400 --> 01:02:15.039 wouldn't you say? Well that? And I still argue that probably eighty five 713 01:02:15.199 --> 01:02:19.119 percent plus of those movies that are set in the eighties are only doing that 714 01:02:19.199 --> 01:02:22.880 so they don't have to write themselves out of cell phones, because with most 715 01:02:22.880 --> 01:02:23.920 of these films, if somebody at a cell phone, the whole the whole 716 01:02:23.960 --> 01:02:29.960 movie ends after like three minutes, right right, And and you know that's 717 01:02:30.119 --> 01:02:32.960 you know, it's funny you mentioned that. I am so glad you mentioned 718 01:02:32.960 --> 01:02:37.280 that, Ryan, because my mom has this habit, right. My mom 719 01:02:37.360 --> 01:02:38.800 is the best, by the way, my mom is the best, one 720 01:02:38.840 --> 01:02:44.440 of the best moms ever. But my mom has this habit where when we're 721 01:02:44.480 --> 01:02:51.400 watching old movies and she'll say, well, you know, if they just 722 01:02:51.719 --> 01:02:53.280 if they just you know, had a cell phone, it would be but 723 01:02:53.599 --> 01:02:58.440 if they could, if they could just get online. And I'm like, 724 01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:04.840 this movie is like set in nineteen seventy five, you know what I mean, 725 01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:09.519 Like like this movie doesn't take place in the future. Like maybe if 726 01:03:09.920 --> 01:03:15.519 maybe if this you know, detective movie, you know, Like like she 727 01:03:15.639 --> 01:03:20.719 made that comment during The French Connection. I was like, I was like, 728 01:03:20.880 --> 01:03:24.800 Mom, the French Connection isn't a movie trying to front like it's set 729 01:03:24.880 --> 01:03:31.519 in twenty eighteen. Like The French Connection is a movie made in the seventies, 730 01:03:31.639 --> 01:03:38.559 you know what I mean. So anyway, but I'm glad you made 731 01:03:38.559 --> 01:03:44.960 that comment though about the cell phones, and I'm also you know, there's 732 01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:51.840 also the trend, right, So, like I think that I thought Super 733 01:03:51.920 --> 01:04:00.320 eight was probably one of the best in terms of the eighties thing. I 734 01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:05.280 watched one of the I watched one of the seasons of Stranger Things, which 735 01:04:05.320 --> 01:04:10.360 I thought was really, really good. I don't want anyone to think that 736 01:04:10.440 --> 01:04:15.920 I didn't like the subsequent seasons. For me personally, season one was all 737 01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:21.119 I needed, Like I had no desire to find out. I was perfectly 738 01:04:21.119 --> 01:04:24.760 fine with Season one. That was a good one and done for me. 739 01:04:24.840 --> 01:04:28.079 I loved it, and I just didn't want to watch it anymore. But 740 01:04:28.119 --> 01:04:32.480 I thought they did a wonderful job of capturing what it was like a movie 741 01:04:32.519 --> 01:04:38.559 that didn't was it, I thought? And I think they set it in 742 01:04:38.599 --> 01:04:44.559 the eighties just to cash in on Stranger Things, and that story works better 743 01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:49.159 within the context of the fifties. I still think it. Part one set 744 01:04:49.239 --> 01:04:53.920 in the eighties was still very good, was still good. But I think 745 01:04:53.920 --> 01:04:57.199 that it would have it would have been great if it had been said in 746 01:04:57.239 --> 01:05:00.199 the fifties, because a lot of it just didn't work being said in the 747 01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:06.280 eighties. And you know, that's an odd that that's an odd property when 748 01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:12.960 you think about it, Ryan, because you know, because it was one 749 01:05:13.000 --> 01:05:16.400 of the high points first for Stephen King, you know, in the nineties, 750 01:05:17.039 --> 01:05:20.280 Like Stephen King has not been afraid to put his name on some clunker 751 01:05:20.800 --> 01:05:27.000 film properties, right, you know what I mean? Like he's he's I 752 01:05:27.039 --> 01:05:30.480 mean and trust me, he is a guy that is, you know, 753 01:05:30.559 --> 01:05:35.880 an absolute giant in the industry, a creative giant. He puts over new 754 01:05:35.960 --> 01:05:41.480 talent all the time. I love that about him. He he loves classic 755 01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:45.639 rock, he loves taking his generation to task for tanking the country and taking 756 01:05:45.840 --> 01:05:49.199 you know, tanking the planet. I think he's you know, he's spot 757 01:05:49.280 --> 01:05:57.599 on when it comes to you know, trends and where the industry is going. 758 01:05:57.719 --> 01:06:01.159 I think he's great all right. But you know, there's a lot 759 01:06:01.519 --> 01:06:08.679 and I mean a lot of a very very very questionable film and TV mini 760 01:06:08.719 --> 01:06:15.920 series based on Stephen king work. Absolutely and it the original mini series was 761 01:06:16.079 --> 01:06:20.119 one of those, like real like was like a big right spot. That 762 01:06:20.280 --> 01:06:28.679 was probably his biggest Definitely, would you say that next to Toby Hooper's The 763 01:06:28.800 --> 01:06:34.280 Stand, that's like his next best one. I mean Salem's Lot, Salem's 764 01:06:34.320 --> 01:06:40.719 Lot, I would say it, But what's funny about those movies is that 765 01:06:40.880 --> 01:06:45.679 both both dropped the ball on the second half of the story, right, 766 01:06:46.559 --> 01:06:53.360 And the weird part about the modern one dropping the ball on the second half 767 01:06:53.400 --> 01:06:57.079 of the story is that that one had all the money in the world. 768 01:06:57.639 --> 01:07:00.679 Oh yeah, So like the reason that like it part two of the like 769 01:07:00.760 --> 01:07:05.400 original mini series, the reason that it came to such an abrupt conclusion because 770 01:07:05.400 --> 01:07:10.480 they like ran out of money, you know what I mean, Like they 771 01:07:10.480 --> 01:07:14.480 were like, we got no money left, like we just got you gotta 772 01:07:14.559 --> 01:07:16.559 do what we gotta do, you know what I mean. And all the 773 01:07:16.599 --> 01:07:19.800 star power in that new one too, yeah, yeah, and they kind 774 01:07:19.800 --> 01:07:24.960 of and they really I mean, look, I thought, and here's what 775 01:07:25.079 --> 01:07:30.440 was really missing, is that is that the you know, some of the 776 01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:35.320 best performances by John Ritter, Annette Benning. I mean, they just had 777 01:07:35.360 --> 01:07:39.760 really good chemistry, the adults and the originally hit part two, and the 778 01:07:39.880 --> 01:07:44.719 chemistry was really weird in this new one in the second part of it. 779 01:07:44.960 --> 01:07:49.159 But again, you know, the first part I thought was was really solid 780 01:07:49.239 --> 01:07:53.559 and and you know, I still get what everybody was going for, and 781 01:07:53.599 --> 01:07:57.800 it just kind of goes to show again how you know, how difficult making 782 01:07:57.920 --> 01:08:00.559 movies is even when you have on that your disposal, even when you have 783 01:08:00.719 --> 01:08:05.000 those stars that were one hundred percent on board and on the heels of the 784 01:08:05.000 --> 01:08:11.000 first part being a mega hit. And of course, one thing I want 785 01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:14.440 to say, and you know, I'm not just saying this because I'm on 786 01:08:14.559 --> 01:08:16.880 you know, I'm on the podcast with you. But it's you know, 787 01:08:17.600 --> 01:08:24.680 it's guys like you. It's websites and YouTube channels like yours that are you 788 01:08:24.720 --> 01:08:31.600 know, keeping physical media alive, you know, constantly keeping people abreast of 789 01:08:31.640 --> 01:08:38.000 what's new, what's being released, what's being reissued, what's special about those 790 01:08:38.119 --> 01:08:44.880 reissues, and you know the articles and all of that. You know that 791 01:08:44.920 --> 01:08:48.800 you all do to keep it out there. You know, I just want 792 01:08:48.840 --> 01:08:54.479 to, you know, give you guys credit, give credit where where credits 793 01:08:54.520 --> 01:08:59.560 due, because a lot of the industry, a lot of this boutique, 794 01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:08.800 you know, film Blu ray four K box sets, that industry, you 795 01:09:08.840 --> 01:09:12.720 guys really keep it alive. So I just wanted to acknowledge that, you 796 01:09:12.760 --> 01:09:15.439 know. But anyway, what's your next question. Well, let's let's take 797 01:09:15.479 --> 01:09:19.520 some of that track and go back to Argenta with this, because I think 798 01:09:19.560 --> 01:09:24.920 most people would agree Argento's name has been on some clunkers, but what most 799 01:09:24.960 --> 01:09:30.079 would say is his last masterpiece happens to be my favorite Argento. Why don't 800 01:09:30.079 --> 01:09:35.680 you tell us how you feel about Dargento's Opera? Well, that movie again, 801 01:09:35.800 --> 01:09:40.279 that was kind of a saw Suspiria. I saw Demons, which he 802 01:09:40.439 --> 01:09:45.279 produced, Lamberto Bava directed, and then I rented This is when I was 803 01:09:45.319 --> 01:09:50.319 in high school. This is in high school now, so and then I 804 01:09:50.319 --> 01:09:55.279 saw Kennon Bray, I saw Unsane, which is called Unsane, and then 805 01:09:55.319 --> 01:10:01.680 I saw Opera and then Two Evil Eyes I that one I rented. I'm 806 01:10:01.720 --> 01:10:05.039 talking about what I rented at the time. I've since seen all of them 807 01:10:05.439 --> 01:10:13.359 at that time, and I think and Bird with the crystal plumage, because 808 01:10:13.399 --> 01:10:16.600 that was in one of the They had that one in those old school like 809 01:10:16.720 --> 01:10:24.359 big plastic VHS cases, right that one, and so I saw. I 810 01:10:24.399 --> 01:10:28.960 actually saw Opera. Terror at the Opera was called at the time, but 811 01:10:29.000 --> 01:10:36.279 I saw that the same weekend that I watched Antonioni's The Passenger. The Passenger 812 01:10:36.439 --> 01:10:41.840 is is top fifty of all time for me. That's an amazing movie. 813 01:10:41.920 --> 01:10:45.680 But what's interesting is that I saw Terror at the Opera afterwards, and I 814 01:10:45.760 --> 01:10:48.560 was like, you know what, I was like, Christina, Christina Marcella 815 01:10:48.640 --> 01:10:54.960 should have been in Passenger. I was like, she would have been awesome 816 01:10:55.000 --> 01:11:00.359 in that movie. Yeah, you know. But anyway, so I thought 817 01:11:00.399 --> 01:11:06.279 that movie. I thought Opera was awesome. I thought that was actually I 818 01:11:06.279 --> 01:11:11.840 didn't think it was as good as Suspiria, but I thought it was like 819 01:11:12.039 --> 01:11:16.399 the the second best one of his that I that I saw, you know, 820 01:11:16.960 --> 01:11:20.960 and around this time I saw The Church as well. Even that was 821 01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:29.600 by the Schelle Swavey and I also had So here's here's the thing about our 822 01:11:29.680 --> 01:11:34.520 geno in those movies. So back then, have you heard of video search 823 01:11:34.560 --> 01:11:42.119 of Miami in Midnight Video? I think I have, actually, so back 824 01:11:42.199 --> 01:11:46.199 then, and you know you've heard of the Psychotronic Film Guide and all that 825 01:11:46.439 --> 01:11:51.039 those magazines, But like you would have to go to Barnes and Noble and 826 01:11:51.119 --> 01:11:57.920 Borders bookstore and stuff and find these like you know, Borderline one step away 827 01:11:57.960 --> 01:12:01.560 from d i y, like cult in like euro Film right right right, 828 01:12:02.439 --> 01:12:09.840 and Midnight Video was one of these. I mean, I don't know how 829 01:12:09.840 --> 01:12:14.439 the guy got got away with it, but you could purchase this little catalog 830 01:12:14.479 --> 01:12:18.600 and that was really diy at Barnes and Noble and Borders and all it was 831 01:12:18.600 --> 01:12:28.039 was all these movies and they were like not available for commercial like they weren't 832 01:12:28.039 --> 01:12:33.359 available commercially in the US, right, but they were like you know, 833 01:12:33.680 --> 01:12:39.319 director's cuts of this, European cuts of this, like struck from the thirty 834 01:12:39.319 --> 01:12:43.800 five millimeter, you know what I mean. Like it was bootleg stuff, 835 01:12:45.079 --> 01:12:48.319 and that's how you had to get a lot of these movies then, yeah, 836 01:12:48.359 --> 01:12:54.840 you know, like like especially you know, the Jess Franco and the 837 01:12:54.960 --> 01:12:59.880 Joe Diamato and there was a lot of Asian stuff. But they had all 838 01:12:59.880 --> 01:13:03.039 these different cuts of stuff, like stuff like Martin By you know, George 839 01:13:03.119 --> 01:13:09.720 Romero, you know, and uh another color of Vanella, that other obscure 840 01:13:09.800 --> 01:13:17.399 Romero flick. But anyway, I ordered, I ordered the director's cut of 841 01:13:17.479 --> 01:13:24.600 Profundo Rosso deep Red from Midnight Video Beautiful mom My Mom gave me your credit 842 01:13:24.680 --> 01:13:30.640 card to like use, and it was like thirty five bucks, Ryan, 843 01:13:30.560 --> 01:13:35.960 and that then that was expensive compared to thirty that was a lot of money 844 01:13:35.960 --> 01:13:40.199 back then. It's a lot of money now, it's really a lot of 845 01:13:40.199 --> 01:13:42.960 money now. It's it will always be a lot of money, but but 846 01:13:43.199 --> 01:13:49.760 especially when when you're young, so it shows up. And it was like 847 01:13:51.239 --> 01:13:59.279 the quality was like standard play quality, right, and it had the time 848 01:13:59.359 --> 01:14:05.880 code running at the bottom. And I remember it being funny because the write 849 01:14:05.960 --> 01:14:12.359 up and looking back on it, I'm sure all the people that ordered from 850 01:14:12.399 --> 01:14:15.920 this guy like knew the kind of quality they were going to get. But 851 01:14:16.159 --> 01:14:19.439 for them it was worth it, you know what I mean, Like for 852 01:14:19.479 --> 01:14:25.800 them it was worth it. But anyway, I remember like telling the guy 853 01:14:26.079 --> 01:14:30.359 or like, you know, I was like, has time code running at 854 01:14:30.399 --> 01:14:34.479 the bottom, and blah blah blah blah blah, and like he he refunded 855 01:14:34.520 --> 01:14:41.000 the money and was like, I'm never doing business with you again. Oh 856 01:14:42.600 --> 01:14:47.720 so I returned it. Though I returned it, and but he set a 857 01:14:47.760 --> 01:14:54.520 note back saying, don't do business with us again, you know what I 858 01:14:54.560 --> 01:15:02.760 mean. But I was and but so anyway, so I had seen that, 859 01:15:03.880 --> 01:15:10.600 and then so Opera Tear at the Opera was just so great and it 860 01:15:10.680 --> 01:15:15.600 had that I loved the existential ending, you know. And I don't want 861 01:15:15.640 --> 01:15:20.239 to get into the movie itself too much because we're talking about physical media. 862 01:15:20.840 --> 01:15:28.359 So I and in regard to Opera, I later got the anchor bay DBD 863 01:15:29.199 --> 01:15:33.399 that had the movie on one disc and the soundtrack on in another. I 864 01:15:33.560 --> 01:15:41.239 had that that package that that everybody cherishes because up until this new Severin release 865 01:15:41.359 --> 01:15:44.199 that's coming out, that was, you know, the only way you could 866 01:15:44.279 --> 01:15:49.119 get that, you know. But I when I was in film school, 867 01:15:50.520 --> 01:15:56.800 like I was, I, well, you know, his Internet was finally 868 01:15:56.840 --> 01:16:00.640 a thing and there were like Dario Argeno websites and stuff, and I did 869 01:16:00.640 --> 01:16:04.279 a huge presentation of Dario Argenno. I mean, he's He's one of my 870 01:16:04.359 --> 01:16:06.920 main guys. Okay, I just want to get that out of the way. 871 01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:15.920 So like nice So like Felleeny Peck and paw ur Gento, George Miller 872 01:16:15.119 --> 01:16:20.479 and like Robert Altman are probably my like man like my like personal faves. 873 01:16:20.840 --> 01:16:27.960 That's the guys that like really really get me going because like I mean, 874 01:16:28.000 --> 01:16:32.079 you got to realize man again kind of like the the like saying and some 875 01:16:32.159 --> 01:16:39.119 of those other movies I mentioned being playing every week on commercial television. You 876 01:16:39.159 --> 01:16:44.399 could not escape the Mad Max movies right right, like if you wanted to, 877 01:16:45.279 --> 01:16:50.640 you know, Mad Max the Road Warrior were on every week, and 878 01:16:50.720 --> 01:16:57.840 because it was more kid friendly, Thunderdome was on extra screenings. You know, 879 01:16:58.319 --> 01:17:01.399 a lot of people don't understan stand because there's you know, Furiosa came 880 01:17:01.439 --> 01:17:08.239 out. A lot of people don't understand that the Mad Max movie that has 881 01:17:08.319 --> 01:17:12.640 the most pop culture imprint and one of the biggest pop culture imprints of any 882 01:17:12.720 --> 01:17:15.279 movie is Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome, even though it's the weakest one. Oh 883 01:17:15.359 --> 01:17:21.159 yeah, no, Like very few movies in history, are as referenced in 884 01:17:21.279 --> 01:17:27.920 so many different ways and influence so many different things like Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome. 885 01:17:28.520 --> 01:17:30.880 I still hope that Furiosa coming out has inspired so many people to come 886 01:17:30.880 --> 01:17:35.000 back and watch all of them from the beginning. And we've got recent releases 887 01:17:35.039 --> 01:17:39.439 of all of them too, so they're out there and available, and if 888 01:17:39.439 --> 01:17:42.319 you've never seen all of them, man, that's a journey to go on. 889 01:17:42.880 --> 01:17:45.279 Yeah, I mean, Road Warriors top fifty of all time for me, 890 01:17:45.720 --> 01:17:49.880 you know what I mean, easily. But anyway, so going back 891 01:17:49.920 --> 01:17:55.640 to going back to our jento. So by the time that I got that 892 01:17:55.840 --> 01:18:03.800 set though, all right, you know, things were starting to my interest 893 01:18:03.920 --> 01:18:09.640 in and appreciation of dariy r Jenna was starting to was starting to get dinged, 894 01:18:10.199 --> 01:18:13.760 you know, in a little bit you mentioned he hasn't made a good 895 01:18:13.840 --> 01:18:15.640 movie in a long time. So we're just gonna go ahead and talk about 896 01:18:15.640 --> 01:18:19.960 that now because it's the around the same time that I got that opera set, 897 01:18:20.199 --> 01:18:27.119 you know, is that some of these movies, man, Like I 898 01:18:27.640 --> 01:18:32.479 remember when I watched The Card Player, that was pretty much it for me. 899 01:18:34.359 --> 01:18:41.720 Like when they were when they were doing that scene where they're playing the 900 01:18:43.640 --> 01:18:49.600 computer game on their laptops while on the train tracks, I was that's for 901 01:18:49.680 --> 01:18:54.680 me as a as a film viewer, as a film lover, and watching 902 01:18:54.720 --> 01:18:59.960 one of my one of the work for my heroes, like I was visible, 903 01:19:00.399 --> 01:19:03.920 like depressed, Like I was like I can't, like I can't with 904 01:19:04.079 --> 01:19:10.960 this. It's understandable, you know. And and that for me, like 905 01:19:11.159 --> 01:19:18.000 really like that was kind of the the end of me following his work closely, 906 01:19:18.560 --> 01:19:21.680 you know, because I'm not a I don't care what it is. 907 01:19:23.239 --> 01:19:25.600 I don't care. You know. I'm a huge Bob Doing fan. I'm 908 01:19:25.600 --> 01:19:29.159 a huge Bruce Ringsteen fan. I'm a huge you know, I'm a huge 909 01:19:29.199 --> 01:19:32.039 fan of all these filmmakers like I just mentioned. But you know what, 910 01:19:32.199 --> 01:19:40.119 I'm not an uncritical, unquestioning loyalist like if they're if they're doing stuff that 911 01:19:40.239 --> 01:19:44.880 I don't like, or if they're if they're if they're doing shoddy stuff, 912 01:19:44.880 --> 01:19:49.079 and they do shoddy stuff consecutively for a long time, like I eventually just 913 01:19:49.159 --> 01:19:56.840 kind of back away, you know, and you know, films like like 914 01:19:56.920 --> 01:20:01.920 it started pretty much like I had Trauma on video, you know, you 915 01:20:01.960 --> 01:20:06.600 know, and Trauma was kind of the beginning of the end. Was that 916 01:20:06.640 --> 01:20:11.840 Trauma was the one right after Opera, right eighty nine. Now he did 917 01:20:11.960 --> 01:20:15.840 two Evil Eyes, Oh well, yes he did. He did two Evil 918 01:20:15.920 --> 01:20:19.760 Eyes and you know, he like saved face with that because everybody agreed that, 919 01:20:19.840 --> 01:20:24.199 like his segment was really creative and really good, and it actually is 920 01:20:24.239 --> 01:20:31.720 really good. But there's and that was at a that was at a we 921 01:20:31.720 --> 01:20:35.600 were at an era where all those kind of like heavy hitters in the horror 922 01:20:35.640 --> 01:20:40.840 scene were like really starting to falter. Yep, you know what I mean, 923 01:20:40.920 --> 01:20:46.399 because you needed you needed the postmodern humor to save it because they were 924 01:20:46.479 --> 01:20:50.520 taking themselves too seriously and they were making too many bad movies and too many 925 01:20:50.560 --> 01:20:55.399 bad movies were also starting to flood the like video on demand mark, I 926 01:20:55.439 --> 01:21:00.000 mean, the straight to video market. You remember that of course, yeah, 927 01:21:00.199 --> 01:21:03.800 that did a lot of damage to the genre, to the reputation of 928 01:21:03.880 --> 01:21:08.560 the genre. But a lot of those big heavy hitters like Carpenter, Toby 929 01:21:08.600 --> 01:21:12.159 Hooper, you know, Stephen King, you know, during that time, 930 01:21:12.239 --> 01:21:18.199 they were really struggling. So you know, once you got into so he 931 01:21:18.239 --> 01:21:25.119 did Two Evil Eyes, they needed Trauma and I owned those on video. 932 01:21:25.399 --> 01:21:30.279 Like by that point, I had a pretty big video collection going, you 933 01:21:30.279 --> 01:21:36.760 know what I mean. And but that was once you got into you know, 934 01:21:38.000 --> 01:21:44.800 Phantom of the Opera and you got into The Stendel Syndrome which was released 935 01:21:44.800 --> 01:21:49.720 by Trauma, you know, like it just started to It was kind of 936 01:21:49.800 --> 01:21:58.199 like being a Bob Dylan fan in the in the nineties. Yeah, and 937 01:21:58.319 --> 01:22:01.800 you know when when you were before were Dylan's huge renaissance. And I was 938 01:22:01.840 --> 01:22:06.960 telling some students of mine this last year, I was like, there was 939 01:22:08.000 --> 01:22:12.600 a period of time where like people would look at you weird if you said 940 01:22:12.640 --> 01:22:16.000 you were Bob Dyllard fan, because he had just run his reputation into the 941 01:22:16.039 --> 01:22:21.520 ground so bad in the eighties in the early nineties that I mean he was, 942 01:22:23.520 --> 01:22:27.880 I mean, he his his renaissance, his his late period renaissance, 943 01:22:27.960 --> 01:22:31.640 his history making light period renaissance a lot of people. You know, that's 944 01:22:31.720 --> 01:22:36.479 been going on for so long now that people don't remember that he had that 945 01:22:36.680 --> 01:22:42.359 huge, really fallow period, right, Yeah, but that's what that's what 946 01:22:42.520 --> 01:22:47.000 kind of started happening with with with Dario Argento, right, was there was 947 01:22:47.000 --> 01:22:53.920 this kind of like period there where people were rediscovering his work. Right, 948 01:22:54.000 --> 01:22:59.359 So our generation was was was really big on kind of rediscovering, was kind 949 01:22:59.399 --> 01:23:05.800 of red discovering heck and paw Leoni and our Gento, right and like John 950 01:23:05.880 --> 01:23:10.560 Wu Like our generation kind of really you know, brought those guys up, 951 01:23:11.479 --> 01:23:17.520 and the genera the generation after us brought like Tarkowski and a lot of that 952 01:23:17.640 --> 01:23:23.319 stuff to the table, you know what I mean. But but you also 953 01:23:23.439 --> 01:23:27.800 have to keep in mind that everybody wants to every generation wants to find, 954 01:23:28.279 --> 01:23:32.720 wants to discover their own their own guys, right, their own you know, 955 01:23:33.720 --> 01:23:39.640 men or women of the arts, right, whether it's music or cinema, 956 01:23:39.840 --> 01:23:43.079 what have you. You know, So like you've got to look at 957 01:23:43.079 --> 01:23:46.039 the context. Ryan, It's because I'm getting fired up now, you can't 958 01:23:46.039 --> 01:23:48.920 stop me. So you got to look at you got to look at the 959 01:23:48.920 --> 01:23:54.680 context. So like when all of us were like coming up, you know, 960 01:23:54.800 --> 01:24:00.800 we were we were just rediscovering and bringing Joorge Romero into the spotlight and 961 01:24:00.880 --> 01:24:05.640 giving him the shine, our Geno into the spotlight, giving him the shine, 962 01:24:05.880 --> 01:24:10.359 you know, Carpenter, you know we were getting you know, Cronenberg 963 01:24:10.520 --> 01:24:15.199 Leoni once upon a time in America. You know, That's what our generation 964 01:24:15.439 --> 01:24:18.199 of movie lovers were kind of, you know, in Peg and Paul, 965 01:24:18.359 --> 01:24:24.880 we were bringing those guys up, you know, and reevaluating some of their 966 01:24:25.319 --> 01:24:29.880 movies, you know, as being legit classics, and then bringing up movies 967 01:24:29.920 --> 01:24:34.359 like you know, like George Romero's Martin and you know, you know Kennebray 968 01:24:34.479 --> 01:24:40.239 and Tara at the Operat just our Geno period Suspiria that a lot of people 969 01:24:40.279 --> 01:24:42.760 didn't know about that movie at all, you know what I mean. And 970 01:24:42.800 --> 01:24:45.279 then you know, Sam Pegin pop like bring me the Head of Alfredo Garcia 971 01:24:45.399 --> 01:24:53.119 and Cross of Iron. You know. But but like we didn't, we 972 01:24:53.239 --> 01:25:00.640 didn't like we saw like a Luccio Fulci and those other guys like Umberto Lenzi 973 01:25:00.079 --> 01:25:04.119 and stuff, like we saw those guys is just cheap copycats, to be 974 01:25:04.199 --> 01:25:09.760 honest, well, and speaking before you say the next sentence, as we're 975 01:25:09.800 --> 01:25:14.399 recording this Happy Birthday to Lucio Fulci right right, and you know, Luccio 976 01:25:14.439 --> 01:25:16.760 Filocci is one of those I just want to say this. I'm I'm a 977 01:25:16.800 --> 01:25:21.079 personal fan, big fan of Don't Don't Torture a Duck Wing. I think 978 01:25:21.119 --> 01:25:27.600 that's a I think that's a far, a far smarter movie than people give 979 01:25:27.640 --> 01:25:32.760 it credit for. It's very it's a very prescient film about small town tribalism 980 01:25:32.840 --> 01:25:40.680 and uh, you know, fear of the other and things like that. 981 01:25:40.680 --> 01:25:44.880 That's a very good movie. And look, anybody that can again, anybody 982 01:25:44.960 --> 01:25:49.479 that that consistently makes movies finds a way to consistently make movies power toolm okay 983 01:25:49.520 --> 01:25:55.840 exactly. So the guy definitely was doing something right. But our generation, 984 01:25:57.279 --> 01:26:00.279 you know of movie made of cinemaniacs that that we're bringing those guys up, 985 01:26:00.600 --> 01:26:04.199 like like, we didn't give those guys a lot of credit. It was 986 01:26:04.279 --> 01:26:10.520 the generations like afterwards, right, because it was people were kind of people 987 01:26:10.600 --> 01:26:14.640 got tired of hearing about how great Dariel Argenno and John Carpenter was, so 988 01:26:14.680 --> 01:26:18.359 they started you know, digging deep into full Chi and in Berto Lenzi and 989 01:26:18.720 --> 01:26:23.600 and things like that, and you know, to be honest, you know, 990 01:26:23.800 --> 01:26:28.680 I don't. You know, I used to have the ten box set 991 01:26:28.800 --> 01:26:33.159 with the post cards of The Beyond, you know what I mean. And 992 01:26:33.640 --> 01:26:40.000 I just want to say this to anybody listening to this day. The audio 993 01:26:40.000 --> 01:26:44.640 commentary by the by the lead actor and actress for The Beyond is the best 994 01:26:44.720 --> 01:26:49.199 audio commentary that I've ever heard. It's so much fun. They have so 995 01:26:49.359 --> 01:26:58.039 much fun with it. So so but but like those Luccio Fulci and for 996 01:26:58.199 --> 01:27:04.039 me, I don't I don't see him as the visionary that a lot of 997 01:27:04.279 --> 01:27:09.920 other people do. Like for for example, again, context is everything. 998 01:27:09.960 --> 01:27:14.119 You know, me and my friends watched you know, we discovered Dawn of 999 01:27:14.199 --> 01:27:16.560 the Dead when you know, during a sleepover in middle school, and we're 1000 01:27:16.640 --> 01:27:20.079 like, oh my gosh, like this is just like amazing, this epic 1001 01:27:20.119 --> 01:27:25.159 friggin film. You know. A couple of weeks later, we watched Zombie 1002 01:27:26.000 --> 01:27:30.159 and we were just like, oh, this is kind of a knockoff of 1003 01:27:30.279 --> 01:27:32.880 that. It has some cool like gore stuff, but it's not as good, 1004 01:27:33.600 --> 01:27:39.079 you know what I mean. So like and like I still I still 1005 01:27:39.199 --> 01:27:44.319 see it as kind of that way. You know. Obviously, there's a 1006 01:27:44.319 --> 01:27:46.640 lot of people that really love that film because it gets a you know, 1007 01:27:46.680 --> 01:27:51.600 a six disc box set that comes out every eight months. But you know, 1008 01:27:51.960 --> 01:27:58.760 that was kind of how that happened. And like in Berto Lenzi is 1009 01:27:58.800 --> 01:28:02.359 now like this big guy, you know, working on a couple of right 1010 01:28:02.399 --> 01:28:09.039 now, actually right right, and Umburdo Lenzi is somebody that became you know, 1011 01:28:09.319 --> 01:28:16.720 more reevaluated and and for me personally when I watched those like I watched 1012 01:28:16.720 --> 01:28:23.399 Bird with the Crystal Plumage for the first time, and I watched a lot 1013 01:28:23.439 --> 01:28:29.079 of Diallo movies, and I watch a lot of cinemaniacs on social media talk 1014 01:28:29.159 --> 01:28:33.279 about these movies. And I watched Bird with the Crystal Plumage for the first 1015 01:28:33.319 --> 01:28:40.359 time last year the Aarow Blue, so they did a wonderful job on and 1016 01:28:42.279 --> 01:28:44.920 I watched that and I was like, I don't see how you can even 1017 01:28:45.800 --> 01:28:50.640 compare any of those other movies to this movie, right, like, every 1018 01:28:50.840 --> 01:28:59.560 component of this movie is clearly superior to all those all those knockoffs that I 1019 01:29:00.239 --> 01:29:02.279 keep seeing them, you know, in feeds, being like being like, 1020 01:29:02.399 --> 01:29:05.840 I think this one was better than Bird with the Crystal Plumage, and you 1021 01:29:05.880 --> 01:29:11.880 know, and and I'm like I kind of think they're just being caddy because 1022 01:29:11.920 --> 01:29:14.560 you know, I just watched it, and I'm like, I'm like, 1023 01:29:15.319 --> 01:29:24.199 they don't like, this is clearly a master work of this form. Did 1024 01:29:24.199 --> 01:29:27.600 you, per Argento, did you go back and watch Dark Glasses now that 1025 01:29:27.600 --> 01:29:32.960 that's come out? Okay, I have not seen Dark Glasses. I watched 1026 01:29:33.159 --> 01:29:40.439 the I watched the movie that had all the lawsuits going on with Adrian Brodie. 1027 01:29:41.640 --> 01:29:46.680 No, yallo, I watched I watched that movie that you know made 1028 01:29:46.720 --> 01:29:53.479 those those headlines here. I saw, you want to know a funny story 1029 01:29:53.920 --> 01:29:59.720 about Jerry Rgeno actually is that? And this is kind of a low point 1030 01:30:00.079 --> 01:30:06.840 in his legacy, and I felt bad for this, Like when he was 1031 01:30:06.960 --> 01:30:18.399 shopping around Dracula to get finishing funds. Yeah, his company accidentally had the 1032 01:30:18.520 --> 01:30:29.159 full version of the movie without the fully rendered effects on YouTube public and they 1033 01:30:29.279 --> 01:30:34.840 didn't even like no, yikes. And I came across I forget if I 1034 01:30:34.840 --> 01:30:38.359 came across it or somebody sent it to me, but it was like a 1035 01:30:38.479 --> 01:30:45.239 sales production company of the movie. Yeah, and I was like, I 1036 01:30:45.359 --> 01:30:48.800 was like, I was like, yikes. I mean, not only not 1037 01:30:48.840 --> 01:30:51.680 only are the you know, the quality of the films this way but this 1038 01:30:51.800 --> 01:30:58.079 is just kind of like really sloppy like professionalism, you know what I mean, 1039 01:30:58.159 --> 01:31:01.840 like change people's perception of the film. No matter like if they had 1040 01:31:02.199 --> 01:31:06.800 retooled some things and made it a competent film, Uh, it wouldn't mattered. 1041 01:31:08.039 --> 01:31:14.039 Public discourse would have tanked it already, right right, And and you 1042 01:31:14.079 --> 01:31:19.199 know, and then you're into you know, and and look, I understand 1043 01:31:19.239 --> 01:31:24.800 there's a lot of I understand there's a lot of fans, right, I 1044 01:31:24.880 --> 01:31:30.199 understand there's a lot of fans out there. And look those that are those 1045 01:31:30.239 --> 01:31:35.720 that are completests right right, and need you know, like appreciate a three 1046 01:31:35.800 --> 01:31:43.640 disc version of the Stendel Syndrome or you know, I mean the one of 1047 01:31:43.680 --> 01:31:46.399 the ones that have you have you seen? Oh my gosh, have you 1048 01:31:46.479 --> 01:31:53.039 seen the wa the wax Mask? Oh that's another one Severn put out. 1049 01:31:53.159 --> 01:31:57.119 I did, right, I believe right when they released it. I think 1050 01:31:57.159 --> 01:32:00.079 that was my first time. That is, I actually got that one on 1051 01:32:00.439 --> 01:32:05.800 a I rented that one from Netflix years back. But that is one of 1052 01:32:05.800 --> 01:32:11.039 those like it's like a Demon's or a you know, the Church. It's 1053 01:32:11.079 --> 01:32:15.880 a movie he produced and it's like his for his effects guy. It's like 1054 01:32:15.920 --> 01:32:20.840 his effects guy's directorial debut, Sergio Sibilti. Yeah, yeah, that's a 1055 01:32:20.880 --> 01:32:26.359 wild movie. Is a one time watch. Well that in a Fulci and 1056 01:32:26.560 --> 01:32:30.000 Argento helped write that one, I believe. Yeah, yeah, that's a 1057 01:32:31.520 --> 01:32:34.960 that's a wild movie. I'm not going to give spoilers, but that's a 1058 01:32:35.000 --> 01:32:43.000 wild movie. And you know, you know, going back to going back 1059 01:32:43.039 --> 01:32:45.560 to Severin for a second there, you know how I had mentioned that, 1060 01:32:46.439 --> 01:32:50.399 you know, I had ordered, not ordered, but I had bought a 1061 01:32:50.439 --> 01:32:55.800 bunch of videos from those stores that were going out of business when I went 1062 01:32:55.840 --> 01:32:59.640 to film school. So yeah, like you said, I got I'm super 1063 01:32:59.720 --> 01:33:02.159 cheap, right, you know, this is like a dollar a piece. 1064 01:33:02.239 --> 01:33:04.600 No, no, no, I think it was like five for ten bucks, 1065 01:33:04.640 --> 01:33:10.000 like two bucks apiece, you know. And you know I'm getting the 1066 01:33:10.720 --> 01:33:14.439 you know, I'm scouring for the cheap thrills, the horror stuff so we 1067 01:33:14.479 --> 01:33:16.279 can hang out in my door. We're over and we can do shots and 1068 01:33:16.399 --> 01:33:21.079 drink and have fun with these movies. You know. But there were some 1069 01:33:21.319 --> 01:33:27.119 and there were some winners in there, a lot of them all all be 1070 01:33:27.199 --> 01:33:32.199 honest. I didn't think we're worth two dollars, right, you know, 1071 01:33:32.800 --> 01:33:38.880 like they say, one man's trash is another man's treasure. Between Vinegar Syndrome 1072 01:33:39.000 --> 01:33:42.199 and Severn, I see some of those films, you know, and these 1073 01:33:42.319 --> 01:33:47.319 remastered super duper collectors additions for like thirty five to fifty dollars. Hey, 1074 01:33:47.880 --> 01:33:54.840 power to them. But some of the some of the winners from that group, 1075 01:33:55.159 --> 01:33:57.800 I'm not going to name those titles, but some of the winners. 1076 01:33:57.840 --> 01:34:01.520 Some of the ones that were really fun from from from those batches of movies 1077 01:34:01.560 --> 01:34:08.319 that I bought was, you know, Burial Ground, which was awesome. 1078 01:34:09.239 --> 01:34:15.319 Severin has a great version of that, you know, Cocaine Wars was another 1079 01:34:15.479 --> 01:34:24.359 fun one. Doctor Butcher m d. Was a fun one, and Death 1080 01:34:24.479 --> 01:34:29.680 Warmed Up, you know, and you know, one of the coolest things, 1081 01:34:29.720 --> 01:34:34.920 you know, growing up, my my generation grew up with, you 1082 01:34:34.960 --> 01:34:43.680 know, Cinemax After Dark and Laura Gemzer was like the first Cinemax after Dark 1083 01:34:43.760 --> 01:34:45.960 star that almost all of us were exposed to. Oh yeah, right, 1084 01:34:46.039 --> 01:34:50.720 So, so a lot of us, you know, grew up seeing those 1085 01:34:50.760 --> 01:34:58.039 Black Emmanuel movies, you know. So and Severn has that huge Black Emmanuel 1086 01:34:58.359 --> 01:35:03.680 box that of the aailable Laura Gemzer is absolutely amazing. So you know, 1087 01:35:04.119 --> 01:35:10.039 I just want to put a big you know, put a big spotlight on 1088 01:35:10.439 --> 01:35:14.720 several not just that they're you know, releasing my movie Sybil. Like Silver, 1089 01:35:14.960 --> 01:35:17.840 they're releasing Opera. But you know they've got some other, you know, 1090 01:35:17.960 --> 01:35:21.399 great discs that I've been lucky to get to get a hold of. 1091 01:35:23.439 --> 01:35:26.920 I would definitely throw in there. You know, Out of the Blue was 1092 01:35:26.960 --> 01:35:30.640 a big film that I discovered in film school. They were great berth of 1093 01:35:30.680 --> 01:35:33.600 that. You know, Man, I grew up a huge Pink Floyd fan, 1094 01:35:33.760 --> 01:35:40.079 and before When the Wind Blows was only something you hurt, you read 1095 01:35:40.119 --> 01:35:45.760 about in Pink Floyd biographies. And they've got that movie. They got threads 1096 01:35:45.920 --> 01:35:50.239 right, So they got some really cool stuff. And they have my third 1097 01:35:50.439 --> 01:35:59.359 favorite Jaws movie, the Unofficial Jaws Five Cruel Jobs. Yes, they uh 1098 01:35:59.439 --> 01:36:02.760 all this love. This is the perfect time to transition too, simple like 1099 01:36:02.840 --> 01:36:08.239 Silver and Opera together because these are now, at least for me, going 1100 01:36:08.279 --> 01:36:12.520 to be intrinsically linked, because you you pulled off the impossible in multiple ways. 1101 01:36:13.279 --> 01:36:16.079 Let's let's first of all talk about simple like Silver. How how did 1102 01:36:16.079 --> 01:36:20.359 this movie come about for you? Well? Here here, here's what happened, 1103 01:36:20.399 --> 01:36:25.840 Ryan, is that I when I was in film school, and I 1104 01:36:25.840 --> 01:36:30.000 had mentioned how the Internet was just kind of starting and day our gendo sites 1105 01:36:30.039 --> 01:36:31.880 and things like that, and you know, I was a big fan and 1106 01:36:31.960 --> 01:36:38.199 I would look up This was before I got kind of you know, I 1107 01:36:38.199 --> 01:36:41.039 got kind of burnout on them, right, but I would, you know, 1108 01:36:41.119 --> 01:36:45.960 I would look up you know, the actresses and the people involved, 1109 01:36:45.039 --> 01:36:53.800 and you know, Christina Barcelic was like impossible to you know, find anything 1110 01:36:53.880 --> 01:36:57.760 out about, right, Like you couldn't find anything out about her, right 1111 01:36:58.159 --> 01:37:02.399 and outside of her having this like studio a studio in Madrid, there was 1112 01:37:02.720 --> 01:37:09.760 nothing you could find about Christina Marcelic. Now, over time, you know, 1113 01:37:09.960 --> 01:37:14.439 occasionally because I was, you know, still I'm a huge movie geek. 1114 01:37:14.760 --> 01:37:17.079 I was still plug into that cold horror stuff. You know, I 1115 01:37:17.079 --> 01:37:23.079 would do searches or kind of poke around, and it just became this thing 1116 01:37:23.720 --> 01:37:27.760 that she was like the holy grail of cult actresses that like no one could 1117 01:37:27.760 --> 01:37:32.199 get a hold of. Okay, And I think you remember me mentioning that 1118 01:37:32.399 --> 01:37:40.800 opera to two disc that I got. That was probably when when when those 1119 01:37:40.920 --> 01:37:46.520 kind of like extra DVDs of the cult and horror stuff was coming out, 1120 01:37:46.800 --> 01:37:51.960 and like everybody under the sun was participating, you know, in these things 1121 01:37:53.319 --> 01:37:59.000 when they were having like the costume designer and stuff and like the property massacre 1122 01:37:59.159 --> 01:38:02.520 and the key rip and you know, and and you know, when when 1123 01:38:02.560 --> 01:38:05.520 that set came out, I was like, you know, it's really weird 1124 01:38:06.720 --> 01:38:16.239 that Christina Marcelic isn't involved in this. You know. Yeah. But you 1125 01:38:16.279 --> 01:38:21.800 know, by that time, though, you know, there were lists online 1126 01:38:21.880 --> 01:38:27.159 of like, you know, top ten director actress feuds of all time, 1127 01:38:27.239 --> 01:38:30.199 and like she was on there with our gento, on like multiple lists, 1128 01:38:30.479 --> 01:38:33.680 and you know, so I was like, Okay, I can, I 1129 01:38:33.720 --> 01:38:39.479 can you know, I can put the pieces of the puzzle together there, 1130 01:38:39.600 --> 01:38:45.039 right, dude. Right. So I was, you know, I was 1131 01:38:45.119 --> 01:38:50.319 meanwhile doing a you know, I was working as a screenwriter. I was 1132 01:38:50.359 --> 01:38:56.760 making independent films, you know what I mean. And I had just got 1133 01:38:56.800 --> 01:39:00.680 done doing some short films and I had some specs scripts that were ping pong 1134 01:39:00.720 --> 01:39:08.239 and around how around Ben Hollywood, and I had gotten hired to write a 1135 01:39:08.359 --> 01:39:14.399 script for I had gotten hired to rewrite a script by Lucas Foster. Lucas 1136 01:39:14.439 --> 01:39:21.760 Foster is a producer who he produced or more Bush. He produced Mister and 1137 01:39:21.800 --> 01:39:29.680 Missus, Mister and Missus Smith with Brad Pitt and Angelina Joe Lee, and 1138 01:39:29.720 --> 01:39:32.880 he had also produced Man on Fire by Tony Scott. I think he did 1139 01:39:32.880 --> 01:39:41.079 another couple of Tony Scott movies too. But I was hired to rewrite this 1140 01:39:41.079 --> 01:39:47.279 this movie for him, And actually I was originally hired based on another specscript 1141 01:39:47.319 --> 01:39:54.079 I had written. I was hired to rewrite a character so they could get 1142 01:39:54.119 --> 01:39:59.800 Mel Gibson to be in this thing. Interesting and what I did though, 1143 01:40:00.199 --> 01:40:05.560 I got the script and the script was like, you know, to steal 1144 01:40:05.600 --> 01:40:10.520 a line from a pecand foot pof film was like a crazy woman's quilt. 1145 01:40:11.039 --> 01:40:15.399 And I was like, you know, I was like, getting Mel Gibson 1146 01:40:15.960 --> 01:40:19.960 isn't going to solve this is this project's problems. I was like, you 1147 01:40:19.960 --> 01:40:24.119 know, this script has some serious issues, and I like broke you know, 1148 01:40:24.159 --> 01:40:27.239 I broke it down and they were like impressed, so they hired me 1149 01:40:27.279 --> 01:40:31.319 to do a full, a full rewrite of it. The reason I'm telling 1150 01:40:31.359 --> 01:40:38.239 this story is because I used the money that I got for that to make 1151 01:40:38.319 --> 01:40:45.159 simple like silk oh wow. Yeah. And actually the project I can't really 1152 01:40:45.239 --> 01:40:49.840 get into. The director that I was working for is a little bit of 1153 01:40:49.880 --> 01:40:57.119 a it's a he's kind of a name, but he had his only other 1154 01:40:57.399 --> 01:41:01.439 movie was one of the most notorious and night these box office flops of all 1155 01:41:01.520 --> 01:41:08.560 time. And I can I can say from working with the guy that there's 1156 01:41:08.600 --> 01:41:13.760 a reason that that movie was a flop. And there's also a reason of 1157 01:41:13.880 --> 01:41:17.119 very good reasons why he hadn't made a movie since then, you feel me? 1158 01:41:17.600 --> 01:41:25.000 Oh yeah? And but Lucas Foster, while we were working on this, 1159 01:41:25.600 --> 01:41:31.159 he was developing the More Bius movie for like Marvel sony Right, Okay, 1160 01:41:32.079 --> 01:41:38.800 so like things had gotten we're definitely getting code read with the director. 1161 01:41:39.640 --> 01:41:43.680 But I wanted to look good for Lucas Foster so he could bring me on 1162 01:41:43.800 --> 01:41:47.520 board the more the Marvel training, you know what I mean. I wanted 1163 01:41:47.520 --> 01:41:50.920 to be on you know, in one of those writing groups. Like I 1164 01:41:50.920 --> 01:41:55.319 didn't even want a credit. I just wanted to be in one of those 1165 01:41:55.359 --> 01:41:59.800 writing groups so I could get some of that Marvel money, right yep. 1166 01:42:00.079 --> 01:42:03.039 And so I was like trying to be a good citizen and like, you 1167 01:42:03.079 --> 01:42:08.439 know, impress him with how much you know, patience I had dealing with 1168 01:42:08.479 --> 01:42:14.079 this whack job. But then Lucas Foster wound up getting tired of the guy 1169 01:42:14.119 --> 01:42:18.760 and just like left the project like after like after paying me. He had 1170 01:42:18.840 --> 01:42:26.159 he had like a falling out with the with the director, right, and 1171 01:42:26.199 --> 01:42:30.880 then the director though wanted wanted like me and him to like forge ahead like 1172 01:42:30.000 --> 01:42:33.760 on our own, and I was like, I was like, I think 1173 01:42:33.760 --> 01:42:38.359 I've had enough, you know what I mean. I was like, I 1174 01:42:39.319 --> 01:42:43.079 was like, now that Lucas Foster and you know, the Marvel train just 1175 01:42:43.199 --> 01:42:45.880 left, just left the like station, and uh, you know, I 1176 01:42:45.880 --> 01:42:49.760 don't think I'm putting up with you any further. So anyway, so I 1177 01:42:49.800 --> 01:42:57.800 had just I had just done a short film in Los Angeles with some people 1178 01:42:57.880 --> 01:43:01.960 that I had been working with, and I had kind of I had kind 1179 01:43:01.960 --> 01:43:06.239 of given some second chances to some folks that I I shouldn't have and that's 1180 01:43:06.359 --> 01:43:14.119 on me. And at the same time, the thirtieth anniversary of Opera was 1181 01:43:14.159 --> 01:43:17.199 happening, right, and I said, man, you know what I'm going 1182 01:43:17.239 --> 01:43:21.039 to do. I'm gonna I'm going to track down Christina Marcelic, you know, 1183 01:43:21.079 --> 01:43:28.000 because I saw it was Scorpion Scorpion announce this set right for Opera and 1184 01:43:28.079 --> 01:43:31.560 I was like, all right, I was like this is absurd. I 1185 01:43:31.640 --> 01:43:41.199 was like, you either get Christina or you don't, period like that's the 1186 01:43:41.359 --> 01:43:45.399 juice, that's what missing. You got, that's what's missing. You've got 1187 01:43:45.399 --> 01:43:50.159 the publicist on here, like nobody would you don't. You don't get the 1188 01:43:50.199 --> 01:43:57.760 publicist to do an interview if you've got Christina Marcecellic, right right. So 1189 01:43:58.399 --> 01:44:00.520 I was like, all right, so I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna find her. 1190 01:44:01.840 --> 01:44:08.279 I'm gonna make this my thing. So I went ahead and I actually 1191 01:44:08.359 --> 01:44:14.760 did contact Scorpion to see if they had reached out to her, and they 1192 01:44:14.840 --> 01:44:19.000 had. They just assumed that she didn't care. And what their thing was, 1193 01:44:19.680 --> 01:44:27.359 and what their whole point was was that if Anchor Bay couldn't get her 1194 01:44:27.439 --> 01:44:33.479 to do it, then there was no reason to make the effort because Anchor 1195 01:44:33.560 --> 01:44:38.880 Bay had Their whole point was Anchor Bay has millions, and if those millions 1196 01:44:38.920 --> 01:44:43.039 didn't get her to do it, then it just you know what I mean, 1197 01:44:43.159 --> 01:44:46.479 Like it was just best to like leave it alone. And my whole 1198 01:44:46.479 --> 01:44:51.880 thing was, well, you know, I was smart enough to know that 1199 01:44:53.000 --> 01:44:58.119 if I did manage to track down Christina, I definitely wasn't going to be 1200 01:44:58.159 --> 01:45:01.920 approaching her with a horror out here, right, you know, what I 1201 01:45:01.960 --> 01:45:05.600 mean, like that wasn't gonna fly. Because one of the reasons a lot 1202 01:45:05.640 --> 01:45:12.079 of these actresses that are affiliated with these horror films stay out of the limelight 1203 01:45:12.520 --> 01:45:17.279 is because they get tracked down by crazy psycho horror movie fans. That is 1204 01:45:17.319 --> 01:45:24.399 a fact. That is a fact. They attract stalkers, right, famous 1205 01:45:24.439 --> 01:45:30.439 example being an Adrian King from Friday the thirteen. Yep. Right, she 1206 01:45:30.800 --> 01:45:35.720 went into hiding for how many years, like a decade? Oh yeah, 1207 01:45:35.760 --> 01:45:45.039 so, you know, so anyway, I started poking around and I actually 1208 01:45:45.119 --> 01:45:49.039 I found some you know, some some some students that had had attended her 1209 01:45:49.079 --> 01:45:56.279 acting studio, and I started to kind of, you know, piece piece 1210 01:45:56.359 --> 01:46:00.800 the story together a little bit. And but luckily, while I'm gonna cut 1211 01:46:00.880 --> 01:46:02.600 to the chase, luckily after I was, you know, doing a bunch 1212 01:46:02.640 --> 01:46:09.600 of fruitless searching. Jane Spencer, who is who is a independent filmmaker, 1213 01:46:10.399 --> 01:46:15.920 activist, very good friend of mine. She did she she directed Little Noises 1214 01:46:15.960 --> 01:46:18.600 in a very cool indie called The Ninth Cloud. If anybody can track it 1215 01:46:18.640 --> 01:46:26.960 down on streaming. The Ninth Cloud's a very cool movie. But she was 1216 01:46:27.000 --> 01:46:33.079 Facebook friends with Blanca. Oh wow, Christina's sister, and I was like, 1217 01:46:33.800 --> 01:46:38.960 you know, that can either mean something or it cannot mean something, 1218 01:46:39.039 --> 01:46:43.600 right, Like I'm I'm Facebook friends with some people I know wouldn't give you 1219 01:46:43.640 --> 01:46:45.479 the time of day if I message him, you know what I mean. 1220 01:46:46.359 --> 01:46:53.319 So so, but Jane had actually auditioned Blanca for like a role for one 1221 01:46:53.359 --> 01:46:56.720 of her films, for a film she had made, so they had a 1222 01:46:56.760 --> 01:47:04.640 relationship. Nice. So I sent Blanca. I sent Blanka a message to 1223 01:47:04.680 --> 01:47:10.199 give to Christina and that was that. Life went on. And then six 1224 01:47:10.239 --> 01:47:13.479 months later, at like four o'clock in the morning, I got a message 1225 01:47:13.479 --> 01:47:18.319 from Blanca saying, Christina wants to talk to you. Wow. Yeah, 1226 01:47:18.960 --> 01:47:24.119 just from one message, that's impressive. Yeah, because I sent, you 1227 01:47:24.159 --> 01:47:27.079 know, a pitch and and and stuff like that. I really wanted to 1228 01:47:27.079 --> 01:47:30.239 make it clear it wasn't going to be some I made it clear it wasn't 1229 01:47:30.279 --> 01:47:32.920 going to be about opera and it wasn't going to be a horror film, 1230 01:47:33.159 --> 01:47:41.279 right, you know, because at that time Christina wasn't talking about wasn't you 1231 01:47:41.319 --> 01:47:45.800 know, going there, right, that just was something that she talked about. 1232 01:47:47.079 --> 01:47:50.720 So anyway, the so not only did I I tracked down Christina, 1233 01:47:50.920 --> 01:47:54.880 you know, when I talked to her on the phone. She was very 1234 01:47:54.920 --> 01:48:00.640 funny, she was very polite, She's very professional. Right. I just 1235 01:48:00.680 --> 01:48:08.840 want to say this to anybody listening, is that I have seen more people. 1236 01:48:10.000 --> 01:48:15.479 I have seen more people throw away their careers in this business because they 1237 01:48:15.640 --> 01:48:24.399 can't maintain prompt professional correspondence. Oh my gosh. Yes, that is such 1238 01:48:24.399 --> 01:48:28.119 an obvious thing to people like us. But man, I just the way 1239 01:48:28.119 --> 01:48:32.640 that some of these people speak, it's crazy, absolutely absolutely. And I 1240 01:48:32.920 --> 01:48:38.920 you know, and Christina Marcelic, even if she's not in the best of 1241 01:48:39.000 --> 01:48:45.079 moods, she will message me back within forty eight hours, all right, 1242 01:48:45.760 --> 01:48:54.600 So she gets the work, right, she gets priority. Yeah, and 1243 01:48:55.279 --> 01:49:01.520 she gets the respect because she's able to communicate and stay in touch as a 1244 01:49:01.680 --> 01:49:06.399 professional, right. And that is what like. She is a sixty year 1245 01:49:06.439 --> 01:49:14.399 old woman, and I am surrounded by you know, actors and actresses half 1246 01:49:14.439 --> 01:49:25.239 her age that can't be friggin bothered to respond to simple communication through email in 1247 01:49:25.279 --> 01:49:29.319 a timely manner, you know what I mean? Oh yeah, So so 1248 01:49:29.760 --> 01:49:33.800 guess what she'll get the opportunities, you know. Now, that's not to 1249 01:49:33.840 --> 01:49:38.119 say there's not you know, flare ups from time time to time or bumps 1250 01:49:38.199 --> 01:49:40.600 you know in the road. This is of course, this is this is 1251 01:49:40.640 --> 01:49:43.880 a stressful business. You know what I mean, This is a stressful business. 1252 01:49:44.159 --> 01:49:47.560 But but what's great is that Christina is very mischievous and had a very 1253 01:49:47.600 --> 01:49:54.640 self deprecating sense of humor. And she had a friend Carmen that also that 1254 01:49:54.640 --> 01:49:57.479 that she wanted to work with her, that came on board as a co 1255 01:49:57.720 --> 01:50:04.159 producer of the film. Carmen also, it's just very funny, very funny. 1256 01:50:04.399 --> 01:50:11.119 So you had the right personalities for this project because I not only got 1257 01:50:11.159 --> 01:50:15.760 Christina, Christina hadn't acted in like twenty five years, Okay, yeah, 1258 01:50:15.800 --> 01:50:20.680 So not only did I convince her to do the project, but I convinced 1259 01:50:20.680 --> 01:50:27.840 her, you know that, I mean to come over to the United States 1260 01:50:27.920 --> 01:50:34.079 and do the film incognito, wandering around Saint Augustine, pretending we were tourists, 1261 01:50:34.560 --> 01:50:41.359 and she was down with that, right. And on that note, 1262 01:50:41.159 --> 01:50:45.680 I really want to say, before you continue with that, that I was 1263 01:50:45.279 --> 01:50:53.680 completely taken by your photography of Saint Augustine. There is something about this. 1264 01:50:54.279 --> 01:50:58.600 I mean not to just heap praises on everything that I could say about you 1265 01:50:58.680 --> 01:51:05.159 right now, but every single shot was breathtaking and felt like a completely different 1266 01:51:05.199 --> 01:51:09.720 world. And some of that is, you know, this stark black and 1267 01:51:09.760 --> 01:51:15.560 white photography, but a lot of it is just the shot choice was immaculate 1268 01:51:15.720 --> 01:51:18.680 in this film. Ryan, thank you so much for saying that. I 1269 01:51:18.720 --> 01:51:24.279 really appreciate it. One of my one of the main goals of the film 1270 01:51:25.000 --> 01:51:30.039 was to have a was for the film to be almost entirely comprised of money 1271 01:51:30.039 --> 01:51:35.840 shots of bangers, well welcome, thank you, thank you. And we 1272 01:51:35.920 --> 01:51:41.800 shot a lot of footage. We shot, you know, a documentary about 1273 01:51:41.800 --> 01:51:46.079 a footage, and I gave you know, the editing and the cinematography. 1274 01:51:46.119 --> 01:51:49.520 I actually gave those credits. I mean, but even though I did both, 1275 01:51:49.560 --> 01:51:55.720 I gave the credits to two friends of mine from high school that I 1276 01:51:55.800 --> 01:51:59.319 used to talk their years off about Dario and our geno films. But they 1277 01:52:00.760 --> 01:52:04.439 they both passed away when they were They both passed away when they were young, 1278 01:52:04.479 --> 01:52:09.039 so I kind of did that to give them a nod, and also 1279 01:52:09.159 --> 01:52:11.720 because I don't think it's cool to have your name a thousand times in the 1280 01:52:11.760 --> 01:52:16.279 cress, right, right. But but so I really appreciate you. I 1281 01:52:16.319 --> 01:52:25.479 really appreciate you saying that, because that was definitely the intention and this this 1282 01:52:25.720 --> 01:52:31.000 project had it all in regard to the experience. I mean, we had 1283 01:52:31.239 --> 01:52:39.399 so much fun. Christina Carmen and myself had so much fun going out there 1284 01:52:39.439 --> 01:52:43.800 in Saint Augustine and having you know, each day we ate at a new 1285 01:52:43.840 --> 01:52:48.880 place that was great, you know, just wandering around and doing all of 1286 01:52:48.920 --> 01:52:54.800 this. I mean it's very You are not going to find a lot of 1287 01:52:54.880 --> 01:52:59.880 people that are that are going to be willing to do that, right right, 1288 01:53:00.680 --> 01:53:02.199 you know what I mean, you are not going to find a lot 1289 01:53:02.239 --> 01:53:05.680 of people willing to do that. And every day that was one of those 1290 01:53:05.720 --> 01:53:13.680 experiences that every day going out there, I was like, I can't believe 1291 01:53:13.720 --> 01:53:17.560 I'm doing this well. And every layer of this story makes it a little 1292 01:53:17.560 --> 01:53:21.439 more unbelievable. So for those that haven't seen it yet, it's it's not 1293 01:53:21.680 --> 01:53:27.199 just this, you know, amazing story that Christina comes out of retirement to 1294 01:53:27.279 --> 01:53:32.000 do this. It's that it's a unique film that they's not normal dialogue and 1295 01:53:32.039 --> 01:53:36.880 it's not from a filmmaker that's established that has you know, pages and pages 1296 01:53:36.880 --> 01:53:42.000 of IMDb credits that everybody knows that they're coming out just for this opportunity to 1297 01:53:42.039 --> 01:53:46.199 work with. It's clearly that she believed in this project. And when you 1298 01:53:46.239 --> 01:53:50.159 look at the story itself, especially that first act, with the way that 1299 01:53:50.199 --> 01:53:58.000 she speaks, there's there's so much just genuine emotion and empathy in the message 1300 01:53:58.039 --> 01:54:00.279 that she's giving in that part. It's I'm so glad that you were able 1301 01:54:00.319 --> 01:54:03.840 to get her for this. Yeah, yeah, thank you so much Ryan 1302 01:54:03.920 --> 01:54:11.119 for saying that too, because you know, you want to look like Christina 1303 01:54:11.199 --> 01:54:16.239 wanted to look good, right, and she also though I didn't want the 1304 01:54:16.279 --> 01:54:21.279 responsibility of like having to you know, carry an entire film, you know 1305 01:54:21.319 --> 01:54:26.720 what I mean, And that's why it really, you know, worked because 1306 01:54:26.880 --> 01:54:30.119 it's for those that haven't seen it, it's like a tripkick, so it's 1307 01:54:30.159 --> 01:54:36.399 like three interweaving little, you know, stories. And we also wanted to 1308 01:54:36.520 --> 01:54:43.920 do something that was that was playful, that was kind of winking at the 1309 01:54:44.000 --> 01:54:48.279 audience a bit in regards to you know, ourt House Cinema, you know, 1310 01:54:49.600 --> 01:54:58.399 I had because we didn't want a laborious kind of thing, and we 1311 01:54:58.560 --> 01:55:00.479 had, you know, and I I want to give props too while I'm 1312 01:55:00.520 --> 01:55:05.600 on here. Christina and Carmen were absolutely fantastic. But Susannah Nelson, who 1313 01:55:05.680 --> 01:55:11.640 played the girl was absolute so much fun too, and so was the boy. 1314 01:55:12.319 --> 01:55:17.359 Yeah, you know, everybody involved in that was was great, especially 1315 01:55:17.399 --> 01:55:23.560 because you know when once you're shooting in the summer and you're in Florida, 1316 01:55:24.000 --> 01:55:28.560 You've got so many hours of daytime, right, so like you can go 1317 01:55:28.640 --> 01:55:31.479 out early, you can shoot for four hours, You're can have a great 1318 01:55:31.920 --> 01:55:35.000 lunch somewhere and then shoot for a couple more hours and then go home. 1319 01:55:35.760 --> 01:55:44.840 You know, that was a that was a near in terms of Look, 1320 01:55:44.880 --> 01:55:49.439 man, I've I've produced some movies where it's been it's been tough going, 1321 01:55:50.000 --> 01:55:55.800 you know what I mean, And this was one of them where look, 1322 01:55:57.680 --> 01:56:00.439 you know, there were there was a lot that could have gone wrong, 1323 01:56:01.039 --> 01:56:03.239 you know what I mean, Like, there was a lot that could have 1324 01:56:03.319 --> 01:56:10.000 gone wrong. Yeah, everything went right. And I always tell people to 1325 01:56:10.039 --> 01:56:14.039 a certain degree about filmmaking is that, you know, like anything, it's 1326 01:56:14.079 --> 01:56:19.279 a numbers game, you know, like you have to look at here, 1327 01:56:19.560 --> 01:56:23.520 you have to look at the best in this business. Right, So look 1328 01:56:23.520 --> 01:56:28.640 at the best in this business. Run Look how many of them have many 1329 01:56:28.760 --> 01:56:33.800 bad films? Oh yeah, And that's when they have every resource at their 1330 01:56:33.800 --> 01:56:40.880 disposal. But you've got to crunch it down so if you're doing things on 1331 01:56:40.920 --> 01:56:46.640 a small level like I am, right, and you have to and you 1332 01:56:46.760 --> 01:56:49.920 keep doing things, and every time you do something, you're doing something different, 1333 01:56:51.159 --> 01:56:56.720 right, you know, the numbers are going to catch up with you, 1334 01:56:56.800 --> 01:57:00.119 like like you're you're just not going to smash it every time. Of 1335 01:57:00.119 --> 01:57:09.600 course not, you know, so be so so getting a having an experience 1336 01:57:09.720 --> 01:57:16.159 like that, and especially with and Christina taking that chance on me was absolutely 1337 01:57:16.359 --> 01:57:24.439 uh was absolutely uh life changing. But here's what's here's what segues into the 1338 01:57:24.439 --> 01:57:30.359 opera thing. So Christina wasn't she wasn't talking about opera at all, right, 1339 01:57:30.600 --> 01:57:33.720 like during the shoot, like I kind of like I kind of mentioned 1340 01:57:33.720 --> 01:57:39.680 it at one point and she like gave me a look and kind of a 1341 01:57:39.720 --> 01:57:46.199 short answer. And I mean, when Christina doesn't want to do something, 1342 01:57:46.239 --> 01:57:56.640 I mean, you're you're gonna know and I and I want to say say 1343 01:57:56.680 --> 01:58:01.119 this though about this one shot we did, is that we were doing a 1344 01:58:01.119 --> 01:58:12.840 lot of like steady cam stuff, right, and I referenced Jack Nicholson from 1345 01:58:12.880 --> 01:58:20.560 The Shining you know, and she goes, oh, and she did. 1346 01:58:21.039 --> 01:58:25.479 There's a scene where Jack Nicholson's walking down the hall and The Shining and he's 1347 01:58:25.520 --> 01:58:30.760 talking to people, right, And she did his entire choreography from that, 1348 01:58:31.119 --> 01:58:36.560 like mimicked it. And I was like, wow, that's wild. And 1349 01:58:36.880 --> 01:58:41.239 so that's that's that's just an example. Maybe she was just a great collaborator. 1350 01:58:41.520 --> 01:58:45.840 She was just a really good collaborator. I couldn't ask for anyone better 1351 01:58:45.880 --> 01:58:49.000 for that. And now, but like I said, we didn't talk about 1352 01:58:49.000 --> 01:58:55.720 opera at all. But on the last day when she was about to leave, 1353 01:58:56.920 --> 01:58:59.359 we had you know, we had such a great experience. I was 1354 01:58:59.359 --> 01:59:01.640 like, all right, I'm going to test the waters. Yeah, And 1355 01:59:01.760 --> 01:59:06.960 I brought a couple of Scorpion Opera blues for her to autograph. I brought 1356 01:59:08.079 --> 01:59:13.079 three, one for a buddy of mine who had done some work on the 1357 01:59:13.079 --> 01:59:17.319 film, and then for you know, two friends that I knew that are 1358 01:59:17.359 --> 01:59:21.159 big our geno fans, like they would love that because she's never autographed, 1359 01:59:21.479 --> 01:59:27.399 right, never autographed anything, and she went ahead and did it. Wow. 1360 01:59:29.000 --> 01:59:31.319 So anyway, you know, the pandemic hits. I'm not going to 1361 01:59:31.359 --> 01:59:34.960 get into all that pandemic hits. I cut the film. We decided it's 1362 01:59:34.960 --> 01:59:39.720 best to release it, you know, to to press and stuff during the 1363 01:59:39.720 --> 01:59:43.119 pandemic, which turned out to be a great, you know, great strategy 1364 01:59:43.159 --> 01:59:47.159 for it. We got we had some feelers from some festivals that I have 1365 01:59:47.279 --> 01:59:55.640 connections with from prior projects. But look, the film turned out better than 1366 01:59:55.680 --> 01:59:59.039 we had hoped and was opening all the doors for me that it needed to. 1367 01:59:59.800 --> 02:00:06.840 And I'm at an age Ryan where look man like like if if if 1368 02:00:06.880 --> 02:00:12.439 I don't need, if I don't need the festival slot, like I'm gonna 1369 02:00:12.520 --> 02:00:17.079 let somebody else have it. Like I've been ping ponging around the festival circuit 1370 02:00:17.560 --> 02:00:21.520 long enough. And I'm at an age too where I'm not comfortable taking away 1371 02:00:21.600 --> 02:00:26.680 slots from younger talent, you know what I mean. Like I'm not you 1372 02:00:26.680 --> 02:00:29.199 know, I'm not big time or anything, but I'm here, you know, 1373 02:00:29.319 --> 02:00:33.159 I'm like, you know, doing rewrite work for Lucas Foster to finance 1374 02:00:33.279 --> 02:00:38.800 like little independent films, like you know, I don't need to also be 1375 02:00:39.000 --> 02:00:44.920 like taking away film festival slots from struggling independent filmmakers, right, you know 1376 02:00:44.920 --> 02:00:47.640 what I mean, I don't, Like, I'm just not. So I 1377 02:00:47.720 --> 02:00:51.279 went ahead and you know, told those festivals, I was like we're fine, 1378 02:00:51.319 --> 02:00:56.239 Like we're we're we're in good shape with this, you know, And 1379 02:00:56.319 --> 02:01:01.600 then, but around this time I was still speaking with We actually went to 1380 02:01:01.680 --> 02:01:09.000 Spain. So I went to Spain and prepped another project with Christina during the 1381 02:01:09.079 --> 02:01:14.000 pandemic. Yeah, with Sean Harwell, who's a buddy mine, who wrote 1382 02:01:14.319 --> 02:01:20.319 Eastbound and Down, that HBO show Nice and red Oaks and the campaign with 1383 02:01:20.359 --> 02:01:27.079 Will Ferrell. Yeah he was yeah, we we we wrote this like surreal, 1384 02:01:27.239 --> 02:01:32.319 like post apocalyptic kind of thing. And Jane Spencer, Jane Spencer who 1385 02:01:32.319 --> 02:01:36.000 I mentioned she was going to be working on it too, And I went 1386 02:01:36.119 --> 02:01:45.720 to Spain to Madrid and for like no money. It was towards the tail 1387 02:01:45.920 --> 02:01:51.760 end of the pandemic when I went, but I bought the tickets months before, 1388 02:01:53.039 --> 02:01:56.920 so it was like nothing. So I had this glorious hotel in downtown 1389 02:01:57.039 --> 02:02:00.000 Madrid and the flight and it was like for like and I was there for 1390 02:02:00.000 --> 02:02:02.520 like twelve days. I mean, it was so cheap, It's like you 1391 02:02:02.600 --> 02:02:09.920 know, I mean, it was ridiculous. So I went there and we 1392 02:02:09.960 --> 02:02:15.840 did costume, hair tests, rehearsals, location scouting and all of that in 1393 02:02:19.000 --> 02:02:24.319 Madrid, and that that project wound up. I'm not going to get it 1394 02:02:24.359 --> 02:02:31.680 into detail, but basically Omnikron and the stock market route of that year, 1395 02:02:31.800 --> 02:02:36.920 like Scared Away the small money, right, but the full room morg is 1396 02:02:38.039 --> 02:02:45.359 actually I wrote a full breakdown of that of developing that project, including the 1397 02:02:45.479 --> 02:02:48.680 last version of the script Sean and I worked on. And that's going to 1398 02:02:48.760 --> 02:02:57.000 be if it isn't by the time this is published, like that's going to 1399 02:02:57.039 --> 02:03:00.239 be in room RG. Oh wow nice. Yeah. Yeah, so that's 1400 02:03:00.239 --> 02:03:05.359 a big blow by blow on that. But anyway, but after that, 1401 02:03:05.520 --> 02:03:10.760 Christina reached out to me, Like I was talking to Christina about something else, 1402 02:03:11.920 --> 02:03:17.000 and she had mentioned participating in this Stereo our Geno doc, you know, 1403 02:03:17.319 --> 02:03:20.000 and she had been asked, and I was kind of telling her that, 1404 02:03:20.079 --> 02:03:23.319 like she should do that, you know what I mean, that it's 1405 02:03:23.399 --> 02:03:28.680 time to you know, enough time has passed, you know. And I 1406 02:03:28.680 --> 02:03:31.319 didn't get into it with her really, but she went ahead and participated in 1407 02:03:31.359 --> 02:03:36.640 the ur Geno doc. Which you know. What's funny is that I've been 1408 02:03:36.640 --> 02:03:42.199 in contact with the filmmakers of that documentary about something else that I can't get 1409 02:03:42.199 --> 02:03:46.760 into right now, but I still haven't actually seen it. And I guess 1410 02:03:46.800 --> 02:03:55.199 the reason why I haven't seen it is because how can you how can it 1411 02:03:55.319 --> 02:04:01.560 not be a fucking series. Yeah, like everything that's spent his life, 1412 02:04:01.640 --> 02:04:05.000 that's that's a lot to go into. I mean, I mean, you 1413 02:04:05.039 --> 02:04:12.359 know, the Dario Argena has revolutionized the business, has revolutionized the horror genre 1414 02:04:12.439 --> 02:04:17.000 on three separate occasions. Oh yeah, Bird with the Grizzal Plumage with Brofundo 1415 02:04:17.119 --> 02:04:21.640 Rosso and then Suspiria like bam, bam bam, you know what I mean. 1416 02:04:23.199 --> 02:04:30.439 Yeah, and he has multiple I mean there there's you could do an 1417 02:04:30.479 --> 02:04:35.720 episode on each movie, and you want to know something, you could do 1418 02:04:35.800 --> 02:04:41.439 an episode on each of the Turkeys too, and it was still be fascinating 1419 02:04:43.920 --> 02:04:47.560 because there's a lot to learn from when things go wrong, like and trust 1420 02:04:47.640 --> 02:04:53.600 me, I've done I've done projects where things have gotten really really wrong, 1421 02:04:53.920 --> 02:04:58.920 you know what I mean? And you know, so that was kind of 1422 02:04:59.720 --> 02:05:02.479 so that documentary came out and it was like it's what it's like an hour 1423 02:05:02.560 --> 02:05:08.199 and fifty minutes or an hour and forty five minutes, right, I was 1424 02:05:08.239 --> 02:05:14.039 like, how is this like the documentaries that I was watching on Dario r 1425 02:05:14.199 --> 02:05:18.439 Jeno? Right, the ones on video that came out all those years ago 1426 02:05:18.479 --> 02:05:26.640 were like ninety minutes. This is this is twenty minutes longer and covers three 1427 02:05:26.720 --> 02:05:32.239 more decades, like how it's shorter of the mind in your conversation already, 1428 02:05:33.920 --> 02:05:38.600 right right, I mean, but I already checked the length Ryan, for 1429 02:05:38.720 --> 02:05:42.000 how long your podcast go. So I'm going to be going for a little 1430 02:05:42.039 --> 02:05:46.520 bit here. So you've got some You've got some some some long running times 1431 02:05:46.560 --> 02:05:49.640 on your podcast. So I'm taking advantage of all of it. Ryan, 1432 02:05:49.680 --> 02:05:55.640 You're got you hostage. So she went ahead and did that, and then 1433 02:05:55.800 --> 02:06:00.800 once once she did that, I was like, okay. I was like, 1434 02:06:01.680 --> 02:06:04.960 I was like, all right, you know, so she's open to 1435 02:06:05.000 --> 02:06:08.760 that. And then around the same time I was, you know, started 1436 02:06:08.840 --> 02:06:16.600 speaking to Severing about releasing simple like silver and you know David Gregory who runs 1437 02:06:16.960 --> 02:06:20.239 severin, you know, he he liked the film a lot, and he 1438 02:06:20.359 --> 02:06:25.399 was also mentioned that they were gonna this is like two years ago, like 1439 02:06:25.479 --> 02:06:28.520 this has been a long time, and as that there was going to be 1440 02:06:28.560 --> 02:06:32.600 an opera four K coming out, and I said, you know, well, 1441 02:06:32.680 --> 02:06:36.159 why don't I get you know, why don't I see if I can 1442 02:06:36.199 --> 02:06:45.760 get Christina to do an audio commentary and then do on camera and interviews, 1443 02:06:46.319 --> 02:06:53.359 because that's you know, that's what a future set of opera has to have 1444 02:06:54.399 --> 02:06:59.760 like, it has to have that, you know, for it to break 1445 02:06:59.800 --> 02:07:01.960 away from the pack, even if it is a great four K transfer, 1446 02:07:02.079 --> 02:07:04.439 you know what I mean, it's just that's just like a glance, it's 1447 02:07:04.479 --> 02:07:08.439 just missing. You gotta have that. And I want to take a moment 1448 02:07:08.520 --> 02:07:13.079 here and give a shout out to Alicia Lopez, who is somebody that is 1449 02:07:13.119 --> 02:07:17.560 a friend, is an assistant and a translator who's been working with Christina and 1450 02:07:17.640 --> 02:07:24.319 myself for the last few years on these projects. I mean, she's done 1451 02:07:24.399 --> 02:07:29.760 translation of the simple like Silver script for Christina. She translated the night Ow 1452 02:07:29.760 --> 02:07:33.319 Will Only Brings Twice script for Christina, the one that we shot in Madrid. 1453 02:07:33.399 --> 02:07:36.239 So I got to give her a big shout out for helping coordinate all 1454 02:07:36.319 --> 02:07:44.279 this, okay, and you know it was it was one of those things 1455 02:07:44.279 --> 02:07:48.479 where you know, you had to have We needed Christina, you know, 1456 02:07:49.079 --> 02:07:54.720 and Christina was down to do it, you know what I mean. And 1457 02:07:56.159 --> 02:08:01.279 she had a wonderful time. She did audio commentary to the on camera and 1458 02:08:01.319 --> 02:08:05.039 interviews. I want to give a shout out to Alberto as well, who 1459 02:08:05.079 --> 02:08:11.560 is Severn's liaison in Madrid. And then Angel who is the program director of 1460 02:08:11.680 --> 02:08:16.840 SIGIS, did the auto common audio commentary with Christina, you know, and 1461 02:08:16.880 --> 02:08:22.640 she you know, it was just very important to all of us that it 1462 02:08:22.800 --> 02:08:24.399 be and and and you know, there was you know, there was some 1463 02:08:24.520 --> 02:08:28.920 back in, you know, obviously, some back and forth, and a 1464 02:08:28.920 --> 02:08:33.159 couple logistical things needed to be ironed out, a couple of hiccups. And 1465 02:08:33.640 --> 02:08:39.479 but you know, when you're working, here's the thing, when you pad 1466 02:08:39.720 --> 02:08:43.800 your time, you can iron and iron out all that stuff and deal with 1467 02:08:43.840 --> 02:08:48.960 it as it happens a lot better, right, and like, and we 1468 02:08:48.039 --> 02:08:54.399 had been chiseling away at this for like a while so that when things came 1469 02:08:54.520 --> 02:08:58.840 up they were we could address them, you know what I mean. And 1470 02:08:58.840 --> 02:09:03.439 and anyway, it went ahead and got done and I had Christina had a 1471 02:09:03.439 --> 02:09:15.800 wonderful time with Angel the program director of SIGIS. So they are so when 1472 02:09:15.840 --> 02:09:22.079 they went ahead and released the details of this set, I had no idea 1473 02:09:22.079 --> 02:09:28.000 that it was going to be that expansive. Okay, now, as somebody 1474 02:09:28.079 --> 02:09:31.359 who's just from the outside looking in, Ryan like, I have not watched 1475 02:09:31.399 --> 02:09:37.640 opera in years. Despite all of this, working with Christina for years on 1476 02:09:37.720 --> 02:09:43.600 multiple projects and organizing some of this stuff like I myself haven't watched opera in 1477 02:09:43.640 --> 02:09:50.000 forever when I had her autograph some like Scorpion Blues, like I didn't have 1478 02:09:50.039 --> 02:09:56.760 one for myself, you know what I mean. So I haven't seen opera 1479 02:09:56.760 --> 02:10:05.239 in forever. But what so outside looking in when I look at that set, 1480 02:10:05.399 --> 02:10:09.600 you know, Christina Marcelic, you know, both audio commentary and on 1481 02:10:09.680 --> 02:10:16.640 camera and interviews, and the standalone disc of the soundtrack, just like that 1482 02:10:16.760 --> 02:10:22.439 Anchor Bay release we discussed earlier. So the Dario our general materials, sorry, 1483 02:10:22.640 --> 02:10:26.680 Dario, our general materials, the Christina Marcelic materials and the disc those 1484 02:10:26.680 --> 02:10:31.880 are like as somebody just from the outside looking in, right. So now, 1485 02:10:31.960 --> 02:10:37.000 as far as the definitive version of the film and just making sure that 1486 02:10:37.039 --> 02:10:43.079 you have everything that's ever been and can be in a set like that, 1487 02:10:43.840 --> 02:10:48.319 it definitely has has all of that in it, you know what I mean. 1488 02:10:48.640 --> 02:10:52.800 So it doesn't you know, when I was talking to David Gregory, 1489 02:10:52.439 --> 02:10:54.520 I said, hey man, we were on a zoom call, and I 1490 02:10:54.600 --> 02:10:58.319 said, hey man, you know I've been seeing a lot of people posting 1491 02:10:58.439 --> 02:11:03.840 these like end of the or these like these best of the Year, you 1492 02:11:03.880 --> 02:11:09.119 know, Blu ray box sets and top ten lists Blu ray discs, and 1493 02:11:09.159 --> 02:11:13.479 I was like, I want this to be one of those. I want 1494 02:11:13.560 --> 02:11:18.640 this to be a contender, absolutely, And man, man this five disc 1495 02:11:18.520 --> 02:11:24.960 set that he put together and you know, all all the people that that 1496 02:11:24.960 --> 02:11:28.840 that worked on it, Like, all all I did was assist in arrange 1497 02:11:28.000 --> 02:11:33.840 for Christina to be involved, and I kind of mapped out how to go 1498 02:11:33.960 --> 02:11:37.880 about that, you know, with the audio commentary on camera and interviews. 1499 02:11:37.199 --> 02:11:41.039 But uh, I you know, I had no you know, I had 1500 02:11:41.039 --> 02:11:46.399 no involvement in the rest of it. I didn't know exactly what they were 1501 02:11:46.399 --> 02:11:52.600 doing. So but it is absolutely epic and I think it certainly, Uh 1502 02:11:52.199 --> 02:11:56.800 you know, I don't even have a four K player Ryan, and I 1503 02:11:56.800 --> 02:12:01.760 certainly don't have one in the packaging band. But it is certainly is certainly 1504 02:12:01.800 --> 02:12:05.279 going to be an epic set. And what did you think when you saw 1505 02:12:05.960 --> 02:12:09.640 those? I mean, it's your favorite our Geno film, you said, 1506 02:12:11.039 --> 02:12:16.079 so was it everything that you were hoping for or what are your thoughts? 1507 02:12:16.560 --> 02:12:18.560 I? Yeah, I'm thrilled. This is one that I had been in 1508 02:12:18.600 --> 02:12:24.920 talks with Severn to potentially work on last year and the disc just ended up 1509 02:12:24.960 --> 02:12:30.439 being so overloaded. There was literally no room to add us, so we 1510 02:12:30.880 --> 02:12:37.920 respectfully about out, but it's it is the type of presentation for somebody's favorite 1511 02:12:37.920 --> 02:12:43.079 film that makes you go nothing will ever be able to top this. This 1512 02:12:43.159 --> 02:12:50.960 literally has everything you could want. It is something that appeals to, you 1513 02:12:50.960 --> 02:12:54.399 know, the Dario Argento fans. It appeals to the people that are into 1514 02:12:54.520 --> 02:12:58.199 rare films because this is not a film like we were talking about earlier. 1515 02:12:58.199 --> 02:13:01.520 This is one that gets a ton of re release. This has been sort 1516 02:13:01.560 --> 02:13:05.960 of difficult to get on HD in a good release and other than that scorpion 1517 02:13:07.039 --> 02:13:11.840 disc, this is going to be what most modern collectors are going to have 1518 02:13:11.840 --> 02:13:18.720 their eyes on because it is everything, which is just a gift. When 1519 02:13:18.720 --> 02:13:22.279 you love the film like this, that's a great way of putting it. 1520 02:13:22.319 --> 02:13:26.399 That's a great way of putting it. And that's that's interesting to hear about 1521 02:13:26.479 --> 02:13:31.720 you were you were looking at working on it. I had no idea. 1522 02:13:31.880 --> 02:13:35.760 I had no idea, So that's definitely that's definitely a new one for me. 1523 02:13:37.000 --> 02:13:39.760 I gotta be honest. I'll always be transparent about what I don't know. 1524 02:13:41.279 --> 02:13:43.359 I am not you know, I don't know one hundred percent how the 1525 02:13:43.399 --> 02:13:54.840 boutique release business works like, I do know that the rights come in in 1526 02:13:56.039 --> 02:14:01.079 bundles, so I know that he has like a few of the obviously he 1527 02:14:01.159 --> 02:14:05.800 got the rights all at once, I assume for all of these or is 1528 02:14:05.800 --> 02:14:09.600 that how that works? Uh? Sometimes it depends on where they're getting them. 1529 02:14:09.600 --> 02:14:15.319 It could be from a producer or from a studio and from obviously they've 1530 02:14:15.319 --> 02:14:20.600 been working on opera for quite some time, and yeah, it sometimes it's 1531 02:14:20.600 --> 02:14:24.680 bundles there. There there are some boutique labels that will flat out refuse to 1532 02:14:24.680 --> 02:14:28.079 take bundles and they'll say, no, it were only coming after the movie 1533 02:14:28.119 --> 02:14:31.000 we want. We're not going to put out the stuff that you're throwing in. 1534 02:14:31.159 --> 02:14:35.479 Well, I got it, I know. For I'm glad you mentioned 1535 02:14:35.560 --> 02:14:39.920 that because I know for a fact that that Keino definitely doesn't have that deal. 1536 02:14:41.119 --> 02:14:46.319 I know, I know for a fact that that some of these studios 1537 02:14:46.800 --> 02:14:54.039 that when when Keno Larber says, hey, we want that we want to 1538 02:14:54.079 --> 02:15:03.000 do a release of say Elmer Gantry, right, Elmer Gentry with Burt Langcaster, 1539 02:15:03.079 --> 02:15:07.680 I know for a fact the studio says, if you want that one, 1540 02:15:07.840 --> 02:15:11.279 you got to take all the Burt lang Caster movies. These are the 1541 02:15:11.479 --> 02:15:16.159 nine films with it. Yeah, yeah, because they they definitely because you 1542 02:15:16.199 --> 02:15:20.520 could tell, like when they there was that one Roger Moore movie that they 1543 02:15:20.600 --> 02:15:26.680 wanted that they hyped, and they wound up getting the other seven Roger Moore 1544 02:15:26.760 --> 02:15:31.119 movies and they were literally selling them for like six dollars within two months. 1545 02:15:31.600 --> 02:15:37.520 Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, crazy sad. I don't 1546 02:15:37.520 --> 02:15:41.359 know if you read this. Keno lober in twenty twenty three released almost two 1547 02:15:41.600 --> 02:15:46.680 hundred and fifty releases, not films, but releases. So many of those 1548 02:15:46.720 --> 02:15:50.800 were box sets even Yeah, I mean, I look, I'm a big 1549 02:15:50.840 --> 02:15:52.680 fan of Keino. I've got a lot of their Look, I've got a 1550 02:15:52.680 --> 02:15:58.279 lot of their discs. I know, I was, you know, talking 1551 02:15:58.359 --> 02:16:03.119 a little bit earlier about you know, kind of the big studio flops with 1552 02:16:03.159 --> 02:16:05.439 the A list names. You know what I mean, Some of those I 1553 02:16:05.439 --> 02:16:09.159 can do without because I you know, but they do a lot of good 1554 02:16:09.199 --> 02:16:13.760 stuff. You know, I really liked a lot and I have a lot 1555 02:16:13.840 --> 02:16:22.560 of their Their releases is rare Ro Video. I thought rare Ro were awesome. 1556 02:16:22.640 --> 02:16:26.760 They wound up, they got into I think they're out of business. 1557 02:16:26.800 --> 02:16:31.239 They got into some I know, the pandemic really did a number on them, 1558 02:16:31.639 --> 02:16:35.680 and they were having some issues with getting you know, discs to people 1559 02:16:35.719 --> 02:16:41.079 in a timely manner towards the end of that pandemic year. But they were 1560 02:16:41.159 --> 02:16:45.639 I mean, they were always good to me. I got a lot of 1561 02:16:45.639 --> 02:16:48.760 great stuff from their sales, like excellent stuff, you know. I got 1562 02:16:50.040 --> 02:16:56.440 I got that that general what what is it? General Rovero by Rosalini, 1563 02:16:58.000 --> 02:17:01.200 I got the I got the Fellini a clown set they did, yep, 1564 02:17:03.959 --> 02:17:09.360 you know I was. I got the Long Hair of Death, which is 1565 02:17:09.440 --> 02:17:16.399 really underrated Gothic Halloween Haunter. There's a couple other ones. I don't have 1566 02:17:16.440 --> 02:17:18.600 them in front of me, but I was a big fan of Rare Ro 1567 02:17:18.799 --> 02:17:22.639 Video. I was really sad to actually see them go out of business. 1568 02:17:24.159 --> 02:17:28.719 Well they're maybe a bit of a surprise, not out of business. They 1569 02:17:28.840 --> 02:17:33.799 are not releasing as much in the US, but now they're partnered with Radiance 1570 02:17:33.799 --> 02:17:39.639 out of the UK as like really distribution partner, and so they're getting better 1571 02:17:39.760 --> 02:17:43.120 releases in the UK than they had in the US. Even they're getting booklet 1572 02:17:43.239 --> 02:17:46.959 essays, they're getting new special features, they're getting four K remasters on some 1573 02:17:48.000 --> 02:17:50.000 of these films that they've done before, and now they look better than they 1574 02:17:50.000 --> 02:17:54.239 ever have on home video. And yeah, they're they're actually, they're not 1575 02:17:54.360 --> 02:17:58.200 doing a lot. They're not prolific or anything, but they're still putting out 1576 02:17:58.559 --> 02:18:03.959 a good we'll say, probably averaging three or four year Nice. Nice. 1577 02:18:05.040 --> 02:18:07.559 That's good to hear. Man, that's good to hear because I really liked 1578 02:18:07.639 --> 02:18:13.600 their I really like their I think there's an Antonioni film of theirs I picked 1579 02:18:13.680 --> 02:18:16.559 up with no no no, I've got their version of The Conformist. Yep, 1580 02:18:16.799 --> 02:18:20.319 that's another one that they Uh, I think they just redid that too. 1581 02:18:22.440 --> 02:18:28.639 I love their version of the Conformist. And I also had Shoot First, 1582 02:18:28.920 --> 02:18:33.399 Die Later. I bought that and I bought that just because I want 1583 02:18:33.440 --> 02:18:39.440 to use that as my as the title of my biography one day. Yeah. 1584 02:18:39.520 --> 02:18:45.399 November three, RaRo re released The Conformist through Keno Lber Actually, and 1585 02:18:45.559 --> 02:18:48.959 uh, it's got a brand new four K Master and it is supposed to 1586 02:18:48.959 --> 02:18:54.959 look great, so the so yeah, so I'm excited to hear that. 1587 02:18:54.680 --> 02:18:58.840 I still love Look, I love re Ro. I want to you know, 1588 02:18:58.879 --> 02:19:05.079 I want to give David Gregory again some props, Like during the process 1589 02:19:05.159 --> 02:19:09.520 of me working with him on simple like silver and also you know, arranging 1590 02:19:09.600 --> 02:19:13.760 some stuff for opera. I mean, he definitely he hooked me up with 1591 02:19:13.799 --> 02:19:18.200 some copies, you know. He hooked me up with some blues, you 1592 02:19:18.239 --> 02:19:24.319 know. And what's what's ironic though, is that I received all of them 1593 02:19:26.040 --> 02:19:30.319 like literally like a couple of weeks before I had to move to Pakistan. 1594 02:19:30.719 --> 02:19:35.840 So I've got everything in I've got everything in storage, right, They're all 1595 02:19:35.879 --> 02:19:41.159 in storage. So I've got to like I've got you know, the the 1596 02:19:41.280 --> 02:19:46.719 Church said, and I've got you know, Cemetery Man, which you know, 1597 02:19:46.840 --> 02:19:52.239 I I love Cemetery Man. That's great horror movies. But I haven't 1598 02:19:52.239 --> 02:19:56.799 watched. And I've got Santa Sangray. He sent me and Threads, which 1599 02:19:56.879 --> 02:20:00.000 is a huge blind spot for me. I've actually I've never seen Threads. 1600 02:20:00.200 --> 02:20:03.920 Oh wow, bind spot for four. Yeah, yeah, he's he sent 1601 02:20:03.959 --> 02:20:09.000 me that Beyond the Darkness of course, Burial Ground, you know, kind 1602 02:20:09.000 --> 02:20:13.120 of those those hits for me. Yeah, I didn't sting them for a 1603 02:20:13.280 --> 02:20:20.200 Jaws five Cruel Jaws and uh, I actually I got from Mondo Macabre. 1604 02:20:22.600 --> 02:20:28.840 There's another from Mondo Macabre. I got another. I got one of the 1605 02:20:28.840 --> 02:20:33.559 Black Emmanuel Films. Oh, uh, Manuel in America. Yes, I 1606 02:20:33.600 --> 02:20:39.959 got that from Mondo Micabre and then I actually, about two years before their 1607 02:20:41.079 --> 02:20:46.840 box set, Severin had Emmanuel and the Lost Cannibals, Yes, and I 1608 02:20:48.000 --> 02:20:52.719 bought that, So I already have those two, So I'm not you know, 1609 02:20:52.959 --> 02:20:54.360 I you know, I didn't feel like I needed to get the box 1610 02:20:54.440 --> 02:21:01.360 you know, right, The box set is one of the most impressive physical 1611 02:21:01.360 --> 02:21:03.959 media releases ever. The fact that they were able to just bring those together, 1612 02:21:05.440 --> 02:21:09.920 it really speaks to how passionate Tale Deanie and David Gregory and Andrew Purtado 1613 02:21:11.000 --> 02:21:16.959 and all these people are on lost film and rare film and really preserving They 1614 02:21:18.280 --> 02:21:22.920 just literally the love of the cinema behind it, because these, let's be 1615 02:21:22.959 --> 02:21:26.440 honest, the Black Commanuel films are not for everybody. But the fact that 1616 02:21:26.479 --> 02:21:31.559 we have them all together is astonishing. Agree with you, and you know 1617 02:21:31.639 --> 02:21:37.360 they're there, they're you know, they're kind of a cult absolutely a cult 1618 02:21:37.440 --> 02:21:43.120 label, you know what I mean, So that's it's appropriate for them, 1619 02:21:43.280 --> 02:21:45.680 you know what I mean, I mean it, I mean, it would 1620 02:21:45.719 --> 02:21:50.760 be weird if like Paramount released that. Yeah, you know what I mean. 1621 02:21:50.360 --> 02:21:56.079 I mean, They're just not I do want to see the cover art 1622 02:21:56.120 --> 02:22:01.479 they choose to go with some of these black commnuel films. Though I got 1623 02:22:01.559 --> 02:22:05.520 another. I actually got Monda Micabre Symptoms, which is a great look nice. 1624 02:22:05.840 --> 02:22:09.840 Yeah, I like that one. I'm not sure if I got anything 1625 02:22:09.879 --> 02:22:16.120 else from Monda Macabre besides those two films, though they're they're one of my 1626 02:22:16.159 --> 02:22:20.680 favorites. Their motto is the wild side of World Cinema, and I gotta 1627 02:22:20.680 --> 02:22:26.639 be honest, I feel like I can trust their curation. It seems like 1628 02:22:26.719 --> 02:22:31.799 everything that they do is just speaking to this random itch that I have in 1629 02:22:31.840 --> 02:22:37.520 cinema, and Monta Micabro just happens to scratch it. It's so odd. 1630 02:22:37.600 --> 02:22:41.079 Every single film has been super enjoyable from them. I mean, I think 1631 02:22:41.159 --> 02:22:45.799 they do. I mean they kind of like fall between the cracks a little 1632 02:22:45.799 --> 02:22:48.600 bit. Like I think that absolutely. I think it's kind of I think 1633 02:22:48.639 --> 02:22:52.680 there's definitely a little bit of a scramble for what you know, isn't being 1634 02:22:52.760 --> 02:22:58.559 scarfed up by arrow vinegar syndrome or severing right vinegar syndrome. I've definitely I've 1635 02:22:58.559 --> 02:23:05.600 got I've got some titles from from from Vinegar Syndrome, Vinegar Syndrome more than 1636 02:23:05.680 --> 02:23:16.079 the others, primarily has the kind of movies. You know, I've seen 1637 02:23:16.159 --> 02:23:24.239 most of them mm hm. But a lot of Vinegar Syndrome's catalog are are 1638 02:23:24.280 --> 02:23:30.000 the ones that I wouldn't be interested in seeing again, right, you know 1639 02:23:30.040 --> 02:23:35.760 what I'm saying, Like, not the they're they're the ones that I looked 1640 02:23:35.799 --> 02:23:39.879 at and said that one wasn't worth two bucks, you know what I mean 1641 02:23:39.920 --> 02:23:43.879 when I was like buying them all from from that video store. Now that's 1642 02:23:43.920 --> 02:23:48.040 not to say I don't have some really good discs from them. I got, 1643 02:23:48.079 --> 02:23:52.319 you know, sweet Sweetbacks, badass Sound from Vinegar Syndrome. I got 1644 02:23:52.959 --> 02:23:58.799 what was the Patty Hurst by Paul Schrader I got from them. I screwed 1645 02:23:58.879 --> 02:24:07.600 up up and got there. I think, did Vinegar Syndrome do that graduation 1646 02:24:07.760 --> 02:24:13.120 day? They did? Yes, Okay, I got that. And then 1647 02:24:13.760 --> 02:24:16.920 but I also I screwed up and got Dolly Dearest, and I meant to 1648 02:24:16.920 --> 02:24:22.600 get I thought it was Dolls. I confuse it with Dolls, which is 1649 02:24:22.000 --> 02:24:30.040 an old fave of mine. Yeah, and I got Dolly Dearest instead, 1650 02:24:30.159 --> 02:24:33.719 which wasn't so hot, but I mean it was still you know, it 1651 02:24:33.760 --> 02:24:37.079 was still fun. But I made a mistake. That might be one that 1652 02:24:37.120 --> 02:24:41.879 I like give away later. Dolls is out now from Aero Video actually as 1653 02:24:41.959 --> 02:24:48.840 part of the a new box that they did last year. Oh they did 1654 02:24:48.840 --> 02:24:54.000 that Empire Empire Pictures box set. Yeah. So so right now, I've 1655 02:24:54.040 --> 02:25:00.680 got, like I've got a good selection of stuff that I've gotten from Vinegar 1656 02:25:00.760 --> 02:25:05.399 Syndrome, right, that I've got from Arrow, that I've got from Severin, 1657 02:25:05.959 --> 02:25:11.879 and that I've got from Kenolorber and that I have from Criterion, right, 1658 02:25:11.000 --> 02:25:16.040 and they're you know, along with the rest of my of my movies. 1659 02:25:16.600 --> 02:25:22.120 Okay, they're in storage. But even when I leave, when I 1660 02:25:22.239 --> 02:25:31.360 leave here, I am not until I get through and watch X amount of 1661 02:25:31.360 --> 02:25:33.600 those. I'm not buying anymore. Like I gotta have an embargo, like 1662 02:25:33.639 --> 02:25:37.120 I've got I've got to watch them, you know what I mean. And 1663 02:25:37.120 --> 02:25:41.360 and trust me, I still look, I still you know, check into 1664 02:25:41.440 --> 02:25:46.840 Vinegar Syndrome's website. Look, they're very passionate, they do great work. 1665 02:25:46.920 --> 02:25:50.159 It's just you know, a lot, you know, the the titles aren't 1666 02:25:50.200 --> 02:25:54.440 necessarily once for me, but hey, I still keep an eye on them. 1667 02:25:54.600 --> 02:25:56.959 I keep an eye on Monda Macabro, keep an eye on all of 1668 02:25:58.000 --> 02:26:01.920 them. Now I want to end. I want to end this discussion by 1669 02:26:01.959 --> 02:26:07.760 talking about, you know, the future of physical media. Okay, please, 1670 02:26:07.840 --> 02:26:11.479 because I want to. I want to get your take on this, 1671 02:26:11.719 --> 02:26:16.440 because you're more the expert here, and you know I'm somebody that you know, 1672 02:26:18.559 --> 02:26:22.479 big VHS collector. Then when I started to get really big into DVDs, 1673 02:26:22.559 --> 02:26:28.879 I actually during a time I went back to Columbia House to like stock 1674 02:26:28.000 --> 02:26:33.600 up my DVD collect Amazing. I went back to that well, you know, 1675 02:26:33.639 --> 02:26:37.520 because you can get like great stuff, you get like cries and whispers, 1676 02:26:37.520 --> 02:26:41.559 you can get all sical stuff through Columbia House to a point. But 1677 02:26:43.239 --> 02:26:50.959 so when I started really doing that, I let a girlfriend of mine and 1678 02:26:50.000 --> 02:26:58.920 her boyfriend have my old VHS collection. Oh wow, And actually that girl 1679 02:26:58.239 --> 02:27:05.600 is Lindsey's Sims. She's no longer with the guy, but her son is 1680 02:27:05.680 --> 02:27:15.000 the kid in simple like silver wo yeah and so but but but here's the 1681 02:27:15.000 --> 02:27:18.760 deal is that I gave it to them because they were going to like watch 1682 02:27:18.879 --> 02:27:24.920 all the cool stuff and then they were going to donate it to a library, 1683 02:27:24.920 --> 02:27:30.079 which is what I was going to do. So so then I had 1684 02:27:30.280 --> 02:27:35.959 the DVDs. Now here's what happened is that I was building that up and 1685 02:27:37.000 --> 02:27:46.559 then between some moves and you know, roommates and ex girlfriends, like, 1686 02:27:46.680 --> 02:27:52.520 I lost quite a bit of DVDs. Yeah. So then you know, 1687 02:27:52.319 --> 02:28:00.239 Blu Ray came out right, and you know, people felt a certain way 1688 02:28:00.280 --> 02:28:05.360 about Blu Ray after getting acclimated to DVDs. Right of course, now you 1689 02:28:05.440 --> 02:28:13.120 might remember the like Fateful Christmas where they just cried, they cried uncle and 1690 02:28:13.159 --> 02:28:16.879 said, okay, we're going to lower all the Blu Ray players and Blu 1691 02:28:16.959 --> 02:28:20.120 Rays to the same prices as DVDs to get you all to buy yep, 1692 02:28:22.200 --> 02:28:28.440 okay, everything sad was amazing. Yeah. So so here's what happened though, 1693 02:28:28.559 --> 02:28:33.200 is that, you know, I kind of went through this phase where 1694 02:28:33.239 --> 02:28:37.000 like I was like bitter at the DVDs I had lost, So I like 1695 02:28:37.200 --> 02:28:41.959 wasn't buying anymore, right, No, But then I was like, look, 1696 02:28:43.360 --> 02:28:46.600 I'm an active filmmaker, I teach I mean, this is silly, 1697 02:28:46.680 --> 02:28:48.559 you know what I mean. So I started, you know, I started 1698 02:28:48.600 --> 02:28:54.760 buying us DVDs okay, yeah, for cheap, you know, because you 1699 02:28:54.760 --> 02:29:00.319 can buy DVDs for two bucks from you know, bookstores and stuff. And 1700 02:29:00.360 --> 02:29:05.799 then I started getting in and getting into Blu rays. Now, while I 1701 02:29:05.000 --> 02:29:09.559 was finally getting into Blu rays, years down the road, a bunch of 1702 02:29:09.600 --> 02:29:13.799 other people were starting to pay attention to how much was being available on Blu 1703 02:29:13.920 --> 02:29:24.639 Ray and also started buying Blu rays. Right. Yeah, then the rug 1704 02:29:24.719 --> 02:29:31.600 got pulled out from under us and they released four G twenty sixteen, and 1705 02:29:33.680 --> 02:29:37.799 they they really went all in on it during the pandemic, Yes, they 1706 02:29:37.879 --> 02:29:46.200 did, which didn't take off Blu rays sold or well, here's the thing, 1707 02:29:46.360 --> 02:29:48.559 here's the thing. A couple of things happened, right, and I 1708 02:29:48.600 --> 02:29:50.799 want your take on it's a couple of things happened one. I mean, 1709 02:29:50.920 --> 02:29:54.799 especially with a lot of these kind of movies. We've been talking about the 1710 02:29:54.879 --> 02:30:01.159 cold in my horror stuff. I mean, you literally has had box sets 1711 02:30:01.200 --> 02:30:07.760 come out in Christmas for movies, and then it was January and you were 1712 02:30:07.799 --> 02:30:11.120 announcing a new four K boxet that was going to be out in three months. 1713 02:30:11.639 --> 02:30:18.440 Right now, Now, that's a little chintzy that I mean, not 1714 02:30:18.440 --> 02:30:20.600 not chintzy, but that's a little you know, that's a little that that 1715 02:30:20.680 --> 02:30:24.680 can be seen as kind of tacky, right, But but it's kind of 1716 02:30:24.760 --> 02:30:31.840 like like it took a long time for people to finally come around to Blu 1717 02:30:31.000 --> 02:30:37.280 ray, right, And as soon as that happens, four K is the 1718 02:30:37.319 --> 02:30:41.479 thing that you're going to push and try to tell everybody that Blu rays are 1719 02:30:41.600 --> 02:30:48.760 like has been technology and they need to get four k's right. Yeah. 1720 02:30:48.520 --> 02:30:54.399 And then at the same time, Vinyl has a resurgence to end all resurgencies. 1721 02:30:56.799 --> 02:31:05.000 And at the same exact time that happens, the economy is plunged into 1722 02:31:05.040 --> 02:31:09.319 a state where people only have one physical media thing they're going to be buying 1723 02:31:09.879 --> 02:31:16.639 yep, and four K isn't it. It's Vinyl Records, right, So 1724 02:31:16.799 --> 02:31:24.040 where do you what do you think about the about about that trend? I 1725 02:31:24.040 --> 02:31:28.159 mean as somebody who's like really like this is your specialty, what's your What 1726 02:31:28.239 --> 02:31:33.520 do you think about the future of four K? What do you think about 1727 02:31:33.559 --> 02:31:37.360 going back to the same group? I mean, how do you see it 1728 02:31:37.479 --> 02:31:43.159 sustaining? Its something? There's there's a lot there. First off, Vinyl 1729 02:31:43.280 --> 02:31:48.959 has fallen off like crazy. These last six months have seen a decline for 1730 02:31:48.680 --> 02:31:56.559 everything. Are you still collecting any music? I have my list? So 1731 02:31:56.680 --> 02:32:00.639 like a bunch of people, like you know, with the Vinyl thing. 1732 02:32:01.280 --> 02:32:05.040 Here's what's funny is that I actually true and true story. This past summer, 1733 02:32:05.079 --> 02:32:11.040 I got hired by the production coordinator of Merge Records to write a pilot 1734 02:32:11.120 --> 02:32:18.719 in series Bible about the Vinyl resurgence. Wow that started. Yeah, yeah, 1735 02:32:18.760 --> 02:32:24.399 yeah, yeah. That's actually still an active and and development. And 1736 02:32:24.399 --> 02:32:28.559 that was actually one of the funnest That was one of the most fun shrewining 1737 02:32:28.559 --> 02:32:33.920 writing assignments that I've ever had. But I I'm glad you mentioned glad you 1738 02:32:33.959 --> 02:32:37.479 asked me point blank about where I was about buying music. So, like 1739 02:32:37.559 --> 02:32:39.600 a lot of people, and I think I'm going to give you the answer 1740 02:32:39.600 --> 02:32:43.040 you want to hear, right, Like a lot of people, like a 1741 02:32:43.079 --> 02:32:46.319 lot of people, I got back into vinyl kind of around the pandemic, 1742 02:32:46.399 --> 02:32:52.120 right right. I kind of wanted I kind of wanted to rebuy what I 1743 02:32:52.280 --> 02:32:54.159 had, you know, when I was in high school, but you know, 1744 02:32:54.200 --> 02:32:58.719 instead of CD, have it on vinyl. Right. Oh yeah, 1745 02:32:58.760 --> 02:33:03.600 So I had I had a you know, I I deviated from the list 1746 02:33:03.639 --> 02:33:09.760 a couple of times, but I've kind of gone through the list and now 1747 02:33:09.799 --> 02:33:15.840 I'm you know, not really buying them anymore. Just you know, you 1748 02:33:15.879 --> 02:33:18.000 know what I mean, Like, I mean, there's only there's only so 1749 02:33:18.120 --> 02:33:20.719 much I can. You know, I I pretty much replicate I did what 1750 02:33:20.799 --> 02:33:26.479 everybody did. I replicated what I wanted to replicate. I I, you 1751 02:33:26.479 --> 02:33:30.479 know, got some you know, I got the nostalgia high if we you 1752 02:33:30.520 --> 02:33:35.000 know, I I bought some things that I didn't plan on buying, like 1753 02:33:35.040 --> 02:33:39.920 everybody did as well, you know what I mean. And now it's kind 1754 02:33:39.959 --> 02:33:46.399 of like, you know, kind of like the blu rays right that I 1755 02:33:46.440 --> 02:33:48.799 have, Like now's in time where it's like, Okay, now I've got 1756 02:33:48.799 --> 02:33:52.200 to you know, I'm putting the brakes on buying, and I need to, 1757 02:33:54.280 --> 02:33:58.120 you know, put the pedal to the metal on appreciating what I bought, 1758 02:33:58.440 --> 02:34:03.239 right, So continue, Well, so, yeah, the last six 1759 02:34:03.280 --> 02:34:09.440 months, the economy has gotten to a point where nothing is sustainable for any 1760 02:34:09.479 --> 02:34:13.319 of us as consumers. I mean, even when you're doubting groceries, you 1761 02:34:13.360 --> 02:34:20.280 can't really make vinyl a priority if you're going to live, I guess. 1762 02:34:20.360 --> 02:34:24.559 So, yeah, Vinyl has fallen, and you know, the story behind 1763 02:34:24.600 --> 02:34:26.719 it that you're talking about is one of the most fascinating things to cover for 1764 02:34:26.760 --> 02:34:31.920 the last decade or so, because there was you know, there was almost 1765 02:34:31.920 --> 02:34:35.319 nothing, and then some bands were doing it to be cool, and it 1766 02:34:35.440 --> 02:34:39.959 was doing well for them on tour and stuff like that. And then we 1767 02:34:39.000 --> 02:34:43.680 got to a point where old soundtracks and scores are getting released and selling out 1768 02:34:43.760 --> 02:34:50.120 on day one, like within within hours, and suddenly the entire vinyl industry 1769 02:34:50.440 --> 02:34:56.040 is in a thirteen to sixteen month delay for production, and we've not seen 1770 02:34:56.159 --> 02:35:01.200 things like that happening, and so a lot of people just jumping on vinyl. 1771 02:35:01.239 --> 02:35:05.000 We have lots of these smaller boutique vinyl companies that pop up out of 1772 02:35:05.000 --> 02:35:11.319 nowhere and suddenly they're not selling, which is sad obviously if you jump into 1773 02:35:11.319 --> 02:35:16.280 that business and it's not doing well for you. But then if you're comparing 1774 02:35:16.440 --> 02:35:20.399 of that to the Blu Ray side, somethings feel the same, but something 1775 02:35:22.000 --> 02:35:26.840 well, yes, of course, and some things feel very different. Somethings 1776 02:35:26.879 --> 02:35:31.879 feel very the same. Some of the outcries from people definitely feels the same. 1777 02:35:31.479 --> 02:35:35.239 And I will say one thing that you mentioned of a company putting out 1778 02:35:35.479 --> 02:35:39.520 a Blu Ray and then a few months later putting out a four K, 1779 02:35:39.479 --> 02:35:48.000 there are not very many documented times in history of that happening in a way 1780 02:35:48.000 --> 02:35:56.280 that feels actually insulting to me. At least there are sometimes where I would 1781 02:35:56.319 --> 02:36:01.799 almost say it was close. But from the fact that I've been able to 1782 02:36:01.840 --> 02:36:05.319 speak to most of these companies and get insight on what they were doing, 1783 02:36:05.959 --> 02:36:09.760 most of them are at a position where they were not transitioning to four K. 1784 02:36:09.840 --> 02:36:16.159 So when they made that choice, it was not an employee to get 1785 02:36:16.159 --> 02:36:20.079 people to buy Blu ray and then buy four K later. It was not 1786 02:36:20.200 --> 02:36:22.600 sustainable for them to make the choice to do four K then. And then 1787 02:36:22.680 --> 02:36:28.280 things changed, some prices went down, some of the market outcries because of 1788 02:36:28.319 --> 02:36:31.719 studio releases were like, well, these four k's look great, I would 1789 02:36:31.760 --> 02:36:35.000 love to see that from your stuff, and people started demanding it. And 1790 02:36:35.040 --> 02:36:39.840 now we're at a position where we're seeing that bubble burst a little bit like 1791 02:36:39.879 --> 02:36:43.000 we did in Vinyl. So, especially on social media, you'll see a 1792 02:36:43.000 --> 02:36:48.600 lot of these people say I'm not buying this release unless it's in four K, 1793 02:36:48.559 --> 02:36:54.120 which is one of the most insanely ignorant comments that you can make about 1794 02:36:54.120 --> 02:37:00.360 these releases, primarily for the reason that these films to put them out. 1795 02:37:00.760 --> 02:37:05.600 If you jump from Blu Ray to four K for a small boutique company, 1796 02:37:05.040 --> 02:37:11.440 the prices could jump as much as three times just for an upgrade to four 1797 02:37:11.520 --> 02:37:16.200 K U h D. And when you're looking at pricing those for consumers, 1798 02:37:16.639 --> 02:37:20.799 you're looking at maybe a five dollars increase from from Blue Ray to four K 1799 02:37:20.840 --> 02:37:24.920 that you can get away with, even though it costs astronomically more to put 1800 02:37:24.920 --> 02:37:30.239 them out. And so if you're here's my question, here's my question, 1801 02:37:30.360 --> 02:37:35.239 Ryan, is that and and and and that's actually I didn't I'm glad you're 1802 02:37:35.280 --> 02:37:41.760 telling me there about that, about how much they can charge per what goes 1803 02:37:41.799 --> 02:37:46.200 into it, because that that is something that I didn't know prior to this 1804 02:37:46.319 --> 02:37:52.159 conversation. So what I'm saying is that the people that were not are not 1805 02:37:52.479 --> 02:38:00.920 centophiles, right, right, like at pretty average people that aren't cinephiles, 1806 02:38:01.040 --> 02:38:07.719 right, they finally got into Blu ray right like they didn't. They were 1807 02:38:07.760 --> 02:38:11.719 turned off by the original Blu Ray thing right after DVD. It took them 1808 02:38:11.879 --> 02:38:16.239 years to finally get start buying some Blu rays and get a Blu Ray player, 1809 02:38:16.879 --> 02:38:20.719 right, and then all of a sudden you have four K not long 1810 02:38:20.799 --> 02:38:26.600 after that. Do you think a lot of those people are, like said, 1811 02:38:26.079 --> 02:38:31.319 are diving into four K or are they just like I'm just gonna you 1812 02:38:31.360 --> 02:38:35.879 know, whatever I can stream Top Gun Maverick is going to be on TV 1813 02:38:35.639 --> 02:38:41.600 anyway. I mean, do you see them jumping into four K. Here's 1814 02:38:41.639 --> 02:38:46.079 the thing I think you mentioned one of the things that's the biggest part of 1815 02:38:46.120 --> 02:38:52.079 the argument here, and that is the hardware. So most TVs that are 1816 02:38:52.079 --> 02:38:56.200 for sale now for the average consumer are four K. When you walk into 1817 02:38:56.680 --> 02:39:01.159 even like Walmart, every single panel that you see for sale hanging up on 1818 02:39:01.200 --> 02:39:05.000 the wall is a four K panel. So most people at this point, 1819 02:39:05.000 --> 02:39:11.959 if you've bought a new TV since since twenty seventeen ish, probably most people 1820 02:39:13.079 --> 02:39:18.520 were buying four K TVs since then if you were upgrading now. The hard 1821 02:39:18.520 --> 02:39:22.840 part is the opposite side. Four K players are not as prolific as they 1822 02:39:22.840 --> 02:39:26.239 were for Blu Ray. But then on top of that, the Blu Ray 1823 02:39:26.239 --> 02:39:30.799 players weren't as prolific as they were for DVD, and then on top of 1824 02:39:30.840 --> 02:39:35.159 that those weren't as prolific as they were for vhs. So the fact that 1825 02:39:35.319 --> 02:39:39.360 this funnel keeps getting smaller and smaller, you're making it so people can't dive 1826 02:39:39.440 --> 02:39:43.079 in. And the only reason that we have as many people in four K 1827 02:39:43.239 --> 02:39:48.559 as we do. Probably is because of the newest generation of video game consoles, 1828 02:39:48.959 --> 02:39:56.120 the PlayStation five and the Xbox series actally that support four K discs, 1829 02:39:56.399 --> 02:40:00.799 which I'm going to be honest and hopefully this isn't a price for anybody listening. 1830 02:40:01.680 --> 02:40:05.440 If you're watching these four K discs on a game console, those are 1831 02:40:05.440 --> 02:40:11.600 optimized for a completely different version. You were not even seeing four K movies 1832 02:40:11.760 --> 02:40:15.040 at the rate that you would be if you had a proper like, decent 1833 02:40:15.120 --> 02:40:20.399 quality four K player with a well calibrated TV. Is it better or not? 1834 02:40:20.000 --> 02:40:24.040 No, it is not better. It is actually sometimes significantly worse. 1835 02:40:24.959 --> 02:40:30.159 Oh oh so, so if you're playing the far I didn't know any of 1836 02:40:30.159 --> 02:40:33.200 this. This is great. I'm glad. I'm glad I saved this question 1837 02:40:33.559 --> 02:40:35.719 towards the end. Yeah, so, if you're if you're just putting your 1838 02:40:35.760 --> 02:40:43.000 four K movie into the video game console and you're gonna watch it, it's 1839 02:40:43.159 --> 02:40:46.200 it doesn't look very good. It doesn't look as good, it doesn't look 1840 02:40:46.239 --> 02:40:50.120 as good as it could. And so one of the problems here is that 1841 02:40:50.239 --> 02:40:52.680 somebody that's sitting there at home, and maybe they were still into physical media, 1842 02:40:54.040 --> 02:40:56.559 they're watching it and they go, well, this isn't that impressive? 1843 02:40:58.280 --> 02:41:01.479 Why would I go all in on four K discs? Because when I see 1844 02:41:01.479 --> 02:41:05.319 these, they're twenty five dollars at Walmart and the DVDs are only eleven. 1845 02:41:05.319 --> 02:41:09.959 I remember liking DVDs and this four K is kind of underwhelming to me. 1846 02:41:11.639 --> 02:41:15.440 So if it's less than half the price, why would they go all in. 1847 02:41:15.559 --> 02:41:20.079 We're not incentivizing them to do that. We're not incentivizing them to be 1848 02:41:20.280 --> 02:41:22.760 all in on physical media now. The only thing that might be doing it 1849 02:41:22.840 --> 02:41:28.479 nowadays is the economy has gotten so bad that we are seeing the price of 1850 02:41:28.600 --> 02:41:33.680 streaming explode. We're seeing licensing for titles run out, and suddenly people that 1851 02:41:33.799 --> 02:41:39.639 are used to streaming can't watch their favorite TV show that they've watched every single 1852 02:41:39.680 --> 02:41:43.600 night for the last five years on Netflix. Now it's not on Netflix, 1853 02:41:43.639 --> 02:41:46.239 and they have to go pay eleven dollars a month for some other service if 1854 02:41:46.239 --> 02:41:50.399 they want that as well. Well, let me ask you a question about 1855 02:41:50.399 --> 02:41:54.639 that. Let me ask you a question about that. And because that was 1856 02:41:54.760 --> 02:42:03.120 something that just transpired during these last strikes, right, because a lot of 1857 02:42:03.120 --> 02:42:05.639 what a lot of what we're talking about, there's no like black and white 1858 02:42:05.799 --> 02:42:09.840 reason, right, for for things being with the other there there's a lot 1859 02:42:09.840 --> 02:42:18.159 of things that contribute right to their overall conditions. But you know, you 1860 02:42:18.280 --> 02:42:26.040 had these strikes happen, right, these writers strikes. Okay, and then 1861 02:42:26.920 --> 02:42:39.000 you know Netflix and Hulu arbitrarily with no advertising as like a new release, 1862 02:42:39.559 --> 02:42:50.520 put up like sitcoms from the eighties and nineties with no advertising, no advertising. 1863 02:42:50.840 --> 02:42:56.879 They they put up Moonlighting. Yep, that no, no, no 1864 02:42:58.079 --> 02:43:01.719 young person has ever heard of, not at all, and young people made 1865 02:43:01.760 --> 02:43:05.879 it a hit just because they made it like the new release. And then 1866 02:43:05.959 --> 02:43:11.520 well, what was that show on on Netflix that also ran that became like 1867 02:43:11.959 --> 02:43:15.920 twenty times as big a hit as it ever was on TV? Oh like 1868 02:43:16.159 --> 02:43:22.239 Suits? Yes, Suits was all of a sudden like the hottest thing. 1869 02:43:22.200 --> 02:43:31.520 So so after they did that, right, and I mean after they did 1870 02:43:31.559 --> 02:43:35.840 that, I mean it's kind of like makes the strike look weird, yeah, 1871 02:43:35.879 --> 02:43:41.559 because then they're doing the math, and then they're also realizing that there's 1872 02:43:41.799 --> 02:43:48.559 more like there's more content, right, Like we've been talking about niche kind 1873 02:43:48.559 --> 02:43:56.840 of things right, right, but there's more content available of all different shapes 1874 02:43:56.879 --> 02:44:03.159 and sizes and quality and genre. You know, nobody could ever watch it 1875 02:44:03.239 --> 02:44:13.680 in a lifetime of course, so them them generating new content, right is 1876 02:44:13.719 --> 02:44:20.600 not only just like is pretty much only too, it's only for the new 1877 02:44:20.639 --> 02:44:31.000 niche, right, and literally just creating a jobs program because because now they've 1878 02:44:31.040 --> 02:44:37.840 realized that technically they don't have to generate new content like they're generating new content 1879 02:44:39.559 --> 02:44:46.120 because they want to as opposed to needing to. They've probably realized that they 1880 02:44:46.120 --> 02:44:52.479 could take some movies on Netflix and Amazon that just washed up there, that 1881 02:44:52.559 --> 02:44:56.799 have like a list stars that like no one watched. They could go ahead 1882 02:44:56.959 --> 02:45:03.280 and put together a trailer and release it in theater and make it we're you 1883 02:45:03.280 --> 02:45:07.000 know, put it in theaters and make some money, make it look like 1884 02:45:07.040 --> 02:45:11.360 the greatest thing ever. And now Netflix owns a theater in La somewhere right, 1885 02:45:11.479 --> 02:45:16.440 right, and and so and so all all of these things play into 1886 02:45:16.479 --> 02:45:20.520 each other, right, And I think that, look, I think that 1887 02:45:20.639 --> 02:45:26.239 you have you have a market, and you have a market right like a 1888 02:45:26.360 --> 02:45:33.440 nishmar market with this cult and horror stuff, right, And so what you 1889 02:45:33.600 --> 02:45:39.559 have to look at there is, okay, is like with the economy being 1890 02:45:39.600 --> 02:45:45.159 the way that it is, right, with a competing right, a competing 1891 02:45:45.280 --> 02:45:50.280 product, which Vinyl was let's be honest, Vinyl to the out of DVD 1892 02:45:50.360 --> 02:45:56.680 and Blu ray and four K sales and toy sales. Right, so you 1893 02:45:58.040 --> 02:46:07.680 have to look at like is our is this customer? Like there's always gonna 1894 02:46:07.680 --> 02:46:13.879 be There's always gonna be the uber fans of any kind of niche cult thing, 1895 02:46:15.600 --> 02:46:20.239 right that have money, right, Like, like there's the lawyers and 1896 02:46:20.440 --> 02:46:24.719 doctors that are that that are big nerds in their spare time. Right, 1897 02:46:26.159 --> 02:46:30.879 Yeah, they're gonna go ahead and buy the new thing whenever. Literally yeah 1898 02:46:31.399 --> 02:46:33.680 yeah, yeah, yeah, They're gonna buy all of it, you know 1899 02:46:33.719 --> 02:46:39.920 what I mean? So, but is the this is you know, a 1900 02:46:39.959 --> 02:46:45.360 lot of the a lot of the people that find a comfort in that genre, 1901 02:46:46.760 --> 02:46:52.000 find comfort in meeting their heroes and conventions and all of these things. 1902 02:46:52.719 --> 02:46:56.799 I mean a lot of a lot of these people are not upper class, 1903 02:46:56.559 --> 02:47:03.479 right you know? So do you like is is? So there's that element 1904 02:47:03.559 --> 02:47:07.440 to it. So also you combine you know the fact that I see that 1905 02:47:07.479 --> 02:47:13.399 most of these boat boutique labels love just dumping their stuff on to be for 1906 02:47:13.479 --> 02:47:18.799 free, like free all year long, for like for years running. You 1907 02:47:18.799 --> 02:47:24.120 know what I mean? The part behind the scenes to be is one of 1908 02:47:24.159 --> 02:47:28.920 the only streaming services that actually kind of returns decent money. Well, that's 1909 02:47:30.000 --> 02:47:35.120 that's good. That's good to know. But but but what I'm saying is 1910 02:47:35.120 --> 02:47:39.719 is that that that's also that also for for somebody that's dealing with the economy, 1911 02:47:41.319 --> 02:47:46.639 when they're weighing out whether they should buy the new four K release of 1912 02:47:46.920 --> 02:47:52.520 you know, House by the Cemetery, right, they might say to themselves, 1913 02:47:52.520 --> 02:47:58.360 well, I got the Blue Underground whatever set and it's also available on 1914 02:47:58.440 --> 02:48:01.879 Toby and things are tight right now, right, you know what I mean? 1915 02:48:01.959 --> 02:48:09.280 So, how do you see that impacting these these these boutique genre cole 1916 02:48:09.399 --> 02:48:15.799 and horror labels or or or are they impervious to it? Tell me, 1917 02:48:16.879 --> 02:48:20.600 I don't. They're certainly not impervious to it. I think we're at a 1918 02:48:20.719 --> 02:48:26.159 very dangerous tipping point. Actually we are. I did a cursory count. 1919 02:48:26.319 --> 02:48:31.239 This is certainly not gospel or me saying it as a fact, but I 1920 02:48:31.079 --> 02:48:35.440 tried to count every single active boutique Blu Ray company in the world a couple 1921 02:48:35.559 --> 02:48:41.840 months ago, and wow, just going off of if they had at least 1922 02:48:41.879 --> 02:48:43.760 one new release in the previous six or eight months. I don't remember the 1923 02:48:43.840 --> 02:48:48.200 number that I used, I got up to almost one hundred and fifty different 1924 02:48:48.360 --> 02:48:54.719 companies, not just labels that are like you know, Vinegar Syndrome has like 1925 02:48:54.760 --> 02:48:58.879 five different labels that they put stuff out on with their VSAs VSUS, But 1926 02:48:58.959 --> 02:49:03.520 Vinegar Syndrome is a whole one company. And if you count all of the 1927 02:49:03.719 --> 02:49:07.959 active labels that have done at least one title, more than one hundred and 1928 02:49:07.959 --> 02:49:13.760 fifty labels most likely in the entire world. And that, to be frank 1929 02:49:13.000 --> 02:49:16.799 is too many. In the market that we're in, we we are not 1930 02:49:18.040 --> 02:49:22.319 seeing sales occur at the rate that we were in even in twenty twenty and 1931 02:49:22.360 --> 02:49:26.719 twenty twenty one, because I mean, let's be honest. Back then, 1932 02:49:26.920 --> 02:49:31.719 you know, houses were getting stimulus checks a couple times, right and right. 1933 02:49:31.840 --> 02:49:35.399 I mean, folks were encouraged to like spend money on that kind of 1934 02:49:35.399 --> 02:49:41.040 stuff to keep the economy going. And many people that you know, saw 1935 02:49:41.159 --> 02:49:46.760 an explosion of sales thought that that would continue in the near future because all 1936 02:49:46.799 --> 02:49:50.239 of these brand new fans physical media. Yeah, it did continue for a 1937 02:49:50.280 --> 02:49:54.959 little bit, but then it was not impervious because the economy continued to tank 1938 02:49:56.079 --> 02:49:58.639 and people had to make that tough choice and let's be honest here. This 1939 02:49:58.799 --> 02:50:05.840 is the entertainment industry. This is not the survival industry. So this is 1940 02:50:05.040 --> 02:50:09.360 unfortunately gonna have to be one of the things that have to go if you're 1941 02:50:09.799 --> 02:50:13.559 worrying about paying for clothes for your kids, or paying for gas to get 1942 02:50:13.559 --> 02:50:18.280 to work, to be able to afford groceries for your family. And I 1943 02:50:18.280 --> 02:50:22.840 don't know about everybody else, but for me, my grocery bills have almost 1944 02:50:22.000 --> 02:50:26.639 doubled in the last two years. Literally, it's crazy. It's crazy, 1945 02:50:26.719 --> 02:50:31.440 Ryan, And I'm really glad that you summed it up that way as well, 1946 02:50:31.600 --> 02:50:37.840 Like that was a great way of explaining it, you know, and 1947 02:50:37.079 --> 02:50:45.280 I think I think that you know. And we saw that also with the 1948 02:50:45.280 --> 02:50:54.079 theater component last year, right like last year saw this complete anomaly of huge, 1949 02:50:54.639 --> 02:51:00.879 huge swaths of people that rarely go to the movie they went to the 1950 02:51:00.959 --> 02:51:05.520 movies last year last summer because it was like the ind thing to do. 1951 02:51:05.079 --> 02:51:11.680 And what when they did that. I read a news article about when they 1952 02:51:11.280 --> 02:51:18.280 when everybody was like going to the movies like vinyl and uh toy and like 1953 02:51:18.440 --> 02:51:26.399 DVD and Blu ray and four K sales dipped, yep, because people don't 1954 02:51:26.479 --> 02:51:33.319 have the disposable income for multiple, multiple like hobbies, if that's the word 1955 02:51:33.399 --> 02:51:37.520 that you want to use, you know what I mean, they just don't 1956 02:51:37.559 --> 02:51:43.520 have the financial bandwidth to you know, kind of keep all these all these 1957 02:51:43.559 --> 02:51:48.399 markets going, you know what I mean? Oh yeah, so I mean 1958 02:51:48.479 --> 02:51:52.479 and of course we haven't even haven't even touched on, you know, the 1959 02:51:52.520 --> 02:51:56.120 implosion of comic books, because that's you know, that's a whole nother discussion. 1960 02:51:56.159 --> 02:51:58.799 But that plays into it, right of course, another kind of that's 1961 02:51:58.799 --> 02:52:05.639 a that's another kind of that's another kind of you know a lot of the 1962 02:52:05.639 --> 02:52:09.319 people that are into vinyl and comic books and movies, they all they're all 1963 02:52:09.399 --> 02:52:15.600 kind of the same, even though some might be more into one than another. 1964 02:52:18.159 --> 02:52:22.639 Right. That's again that's a great way of putting it. So everything 1965 02:52:22.879 --> 02:52:28.239 is is impacted, you know, so anyway, man like, that's really 1966 02:52:28.440 --> 02:52:31.319 a great way. Did you have any more questions for me? This has 1967 02:52:31.360 --> 02:52:37.479 been a wonderful conversation. I really appreciate you having me. We we've covered 1968 02:52:37.520 --> 02:52:41.520 it all well. One thing that we didn't that I've I've really wanted to 1969 02:52:41.600 --> 02:52:48.399 hear about is the choice to film simple uh on a on an iPhone? 1970 02:52:48.719 --> 02:52:54.000 I mean, that's that. This is okay, This is great because back 1971 02:52:54.120 --> 02:53:01.760 then it actually was. Now it's not right. The the iPhones now are 1972 02:53:01.799 --> 02:53:09.479 all considered the professional grade cameras exactly. The iPhone X was the first iPhone 1973 02:53:09.479 --> 02:53:16.879 that had the capability to shoot professional grade industry you know, what's considered professional 1974 02:53:18.040 --> 02:53:22.719 by the industry standards. iPhone X was the first one that could do that, 1975 02:53:24.239 --> 02:53:30.440 but with asterisks only under certain conditions exact. Okay, So I had 1976 02:53:30.520 --> 02:53:35.840 to do I had to do a lot of tests. So I did a 1977 02:53:35.879 --> 02:53:41.280 lot of tests before we shot. And there were oh man, I mean 1978 02:53:41.319 --> 02:53:46.799 there were there was like this this this buttery wavy thing. It would do 1979 02:53:48.239 --> 02:53:52.680 sometimes in conjunction with like this gimbal thing we bought. I mean there were. 1980 02:53:52.799 --> 02:53:56.559 There was some trial and error that I needed to get out of the 1981 02:53:56.600 --> 02:54:03.760 way before Christie and it came over. Now here's the thing. Christina and 1982 02:54:03.879 --> 02:54:11.559 Carmen did not know we were shooting this on an iPhone. I shot footage 1983 02:54:11.840 --> 02:54:18.760 and had a buddy of mine who cut some of my pieces, Craig moorehead. 1984 02:54:18.159 --> 02:54:24.159 He put together like a really nice black and white sizzle reel that I 1985 02:54:24.479 --> 02:54:31.399 showed Christina and Carmen when they first and arrived now being her being her first 1986 02:54:31.559 --> 02:54:35.239 like project in a long time, and I kind of build the whole like 1987 02:54:35.479 --> 02:54:39.079 I kind of framed the whole thing as a working vacation. You know, 1988 02:54:39.360 --> 02:54:45.280 Christina really didn't want a lot of other people around regardless, right, so 1989 02:54:45.319 --> 02:54:48.239 that also like benefited why she was cool. And look, once they saw 1990 02:54:48.399 --> 02:54:54.920 the like sizzle reel, they were really excited and but yeah, so that 1991 02:54:54.200 --> 02:54:58.280 was the decision. But also here's the thing is that I also looked at 1992 02:54:58.319 --> 02:55:03.879 shooting with day oh man. I forget the name of the camera. It 1993 02:55:03.920 --> 02:55:07.959 was a DSLR. A buddy of mine in Los Angeles had it and he 1994 02:55:09.120 --> 02:55:15.319 was going to like let me have it for the shoot. And I played 1995 02:55:15.399 --> 02:55:22.319 with a similar camera in town that somebody let me use, but it wasn't 1996 02:55:22.360 --> 02:55:28.840 going to have the running gun capability, right, So I see, at 1997 02:55:28.840 --> 02:55:31.440 the end of the day, the iPhones have the run and gun. I 1998 02:55:31.479 --> 02:55:37.200 mean, the auto focus is to die for. It's great. So like 1999 02:55:37.239 --> 02:55:41.879 when you're having some of these DSLRs and stuff like, and you want to 2000 02:55:41.920 --> 02:55:46.360 get this like great, these great shots, you got to like you need 2001 02:55:46.399 --> 02:55:50.239 another person, like it's like a production. But the other thing was that 2002 02:55:50.479 --> 02:55:54.159 was that with the iPhone X if I played around with it and I made 2003 02:55:54.360 --> 02:56:00.479 sure that I could get great professional footage, you know. Allso so it 2004 02:56:00.760 --> 02:56:07.200 worked in regard to us looking like we were tourists, because Saint Augustine is 2005 02:56:07.280 --> 02:56:13.440 loaded with people walking around with cameras. Like I mean, there were plenty 2006 02:56:13.479 --> 02:56:18.920 of times when people would ask me and Christina and Carmen to take pictures of 2007 02:56:18.959 --> 02:56:26.920 them while we were shooting Wow, And Christina called it karma, that it 2008 02:56:26.000 --> 02:56:31.399 was our karmic responsibility to take pictures of them because we were like wandering around 2009 02:56:31.520 --> 02:56:35.040 getting away with murders. I just like making a movie, you know what 2010 02:56:35.079 --> 02:56:41.879 I mean, under everybody's noses, you know. So so that was the 2011 02:56:41.399 --> 02:56:46.319 that was the the impetus for that. Now, if you remember earlier I 2012 02:56:46.399 --> 02:56:52.520 talked about how we shot like a documentary's worth of footage. Oh yeah, 2013 02:56:52.600 --> 02:57:00.760 some of that was because of the iPhone footage didn't look so good, you 2014 02:57:00.799 --> 02:57:07.879 know, because like the iPhone X like died inside like interiors that was like 2015 02:57:07.559 --> 02:57:13.319 really touch, like really touch and go with the iPhone X interesting. So 2016 02:57:13.319 --> 02:57:16.559 so a lot of so like and and when when that camera came out, 2017 02:57:16.760 --> 02:57:24.479 like people in the industry that were getting really nervous about the iPhone technology that 2018 02:57:24.639 --> 02:57:26.959 was like the that was the main thing that they would point out was that 2019 02:57:28.079 --> 02:57:31.079 like, well, when you know you you can't use it for interiors, 2020 02:57:31.159 --> 02:57:35.639 like like they were like really like relieved at that, you know what I 2021 02:57:35.680 --> 02:57:39.879 mean, Like that was going to like like like Apple wasn't going to like 2022 02:57:39.000 --> 02:57:45.440 solve that problem as soon as they could, you know. But but so 2023 02:57:46.159 --> 02:57:52.440 a lot of the interior footage, a lot of the interior footage had to 2024 02:57:52.520 --> 02:57:58.479 go like just didn't It looked like crap. And we actually there was some 2025 02:57:58.520 --> 02:58:05.399 stuff that we shot and then went back and and reshot it was too grainy. 2026 02:58:05.920 --> 02:58:09.760 So you remember, do you remember a shot of her in a wax 2027 02:58:09.840 --> 02:58:16.280 museum. Oh of course, yeah. Yeah. So there's there's a promo 2028 02:58:16.520 --> 02:58:24.159 shot of her in the wax Museum, but it's not actually in the movie, 2029 02:58:24.600 --> 02:58:30.159 but in the movie. The first day we shot at the wax museum, 2030 02:58:30.639 --> 02:58:33.040 the footage was like grainy, I mean, it was too sandy. 2031 02:58:33.559 --> 02:58:39.079 And there was another shot interior at a museum where it was the same way, 2032 02:58:39.120 --> 02:58:43.120 and we went back out and we and we re shot some stuff. 2033 02:58:45.719 --> 02:58:50.479 Interesting. There's there's there's a probably one I think it was only one shot. 2034 02:58:50.559 --> 02:58:52.840 It looked like I think it was made to look like a crane shot, 2035 02:58:54.000 --> 02:58:58.680 but it was probably a drone or something like that. Yeah, is 2036 02:58:58.920 --> 02:59:01.639 that how you guys pulled that one off with the drone? So there's about 2037 02:59:01.799 --> 02:59:11.360 there's six shots in the movie that are that are stock that were purchased that 2038 02:59:11.440 --> 02:59:18.760 were like stock shots. So like a local, a local cinematographer, god, 2039 02:59:18.799 --> 02:59:24.079 what's his name, He had a couple of them that like we could 2040 02:59:24.159 --> 02:59:28.280 get from them that we used for for Saint Augustine, and then I found 2041 02:59:28.280 --> 02:59:33.120 a couple other ones that I used for some transition shots. But we had 2042 02:59:33.200 --> 02:59:39.879 a guy come out with a drone and he did the shots of Christina walking 2043 02:59:41.200 --> 02:59:45.840 on the beach with a chair at the chair so beautiful. Yeah, yeah, 2044 02:59:45.879 --> 02:59:54.399 so that guy. So, so that drone shot was actually one that 2045 02:59:54.479 --> 02:59:58.920 we shot that the other there there's there's an aerial shot of the bridge we 2046 03:00:00.239 --> 03:00:05.360 to Saint Augustine that that shot, and there's another like boom like almost like 2047 03:00:05.399 --> 03:00:13.120 a crane shot in downtown Saint Augustine that was from a local cinematographer and we 2048 03:00:13.159 --> 03:00:16.040 went ahead and purchased those from them. And then there were like three other 2049 03:00:16.200 --> 03:00:22.959 shots that I used from a I use from like one of those like Pond 2050 03:00:22.079 --> 03:00:26.000 five or something, and I just want to put it out there. Man, 2051 03:00:26.079 --> 03:00:35.120 those those sites are awesome and they are in great asset to filmmakers. 2052 03:00:35.920 --> 03:00:43.920 They save filmmakers money while putting money into other filmmaker's pockets. They are a 2053 03:00:45.159 --> 03:00:50.719 great resource. So I will take this moment as we wrap this up then 2054 03:00:50.879 --> 03:00:56.159 to not not to you know, say that ideas are not what make things 2055 03:00:56.200 --> 03:01:00.879 happen, but to point out to any PLD anybody that it feels like they 2056 03:01:00.959 --> 03:01:03.399 have a good idea, you just got to go out there and do it. 2057 03:01:03.639 --> 03:01:09.399 I mean filming with an iPhone X in a town like Saint Augustine and 2058 03:01:09.639 --> 03:01:13.399 using stock footage for something that you might be able to, you know, 2059 03:01:13.520 --> 03:01:18.120 enhance your vision a little better. It just takes the initiative to get it 2060 03:01:18.159 --> 03:01:22.639 done. And in a film like this that's in a way fairly experimental, 2061 03:01:22.879 --> 03:01:30.000 and now we're seeing a boutique physical media release for something that you created. 2062 03:01:30.079 --> 03:01:33.000 I mean, congratulations to you, sir. This is this is a huge 2063 03:01:33.040 --> 03:01:37.079 accomplishment. I'm so happy with you. The movie itself is great, but 2064 03:01:37.600 --> 03:01:41.399 just everything that you were able to pour into this. It's magical. Well, 2065 03:01:41.479 --> 03:01:45.159 thank you, thank you so much. And I do want to add 2066 03:01:45.319 --> 03:01:48.360 on what you just said, is that, you know, in this in 2067 03:01:48.399 --> 03:01:54.440 this business now, you know, in the year twenty twenty four, is 2068 03:01:54.440 --> 03:01:58.120 that like you have to keep pushing the boulder up the hill. Oh yeah, 2069 03:01:58.159 --> 03:02:03.959 you know, you have to keep creating content like this professionally. This 2070 03:02:03.479 --> 03:02:07.200 me me going ahead and doing this, you know, while I was you 2071 03:02:07.200 --> 03:02:11.959 know, developing and working on other projects and such. I mean, this 2072 03:02:11.239 --> 03:02:16.559 was this was you know, something that really opened additional doors for me. 2073 03:02:18.399 --> 03:02:22.360 You know, it still opens door the door doors for me, like I 2074 03:02:22.399 --> 03:02:26.520 do, you know, I do short films and stuff like that while I'm 2075 03:02:26.639 --> 03:02:33.120 you know, ping pong and scripts around you know, in Hollywood whatever. 2076 03:02:33.719 --> 03:02:41.079 And you you really, if you want to stay sane in this business, 2077 03:02:41.120 --> 03:02:45.799 like, you've got to produce some things yourself, you know, or or 2078 03:02:45.840 --> 03:02:48.840 you're gonna be you know the I think the last time that I heard it 2079 03:02:48.879 --> 03:02:54.719 was like ninety seven percent of projects that are developed like never get made right. 2080 03:02:56.040 --> 03:03:01.040 So you know, you have to a lot of people be home extremely 2081 03:03:01.079 --> 03:03:05.760 bitter. A lot of people become extremely bitter in this business. And you 2082 03:03:05.799 --> 03:03:11.680 know, if they're especially if they're gambling on you know, being in that 2083 03:03:11.840 --> 03:03:16.719 three percent, and chances are that's not going to happen. Right, you 2084 03:03:16.719 --> 03:03:22.159 wouldn't go to You wouldn't go to Vegas with those odds. You know, 2085 03:03:22.399 --> 03:03:28.920 there's there's no reason to bet your happiness on it. And with the with 2086 03:03:28.000 --> 03:03:37.280 the democratization of technology, you know, it's if there's no excuse to not 2087 03:03:37.360 --> 03:03:41.719 make a proof of concept short for a script you have, there's no there's 2088 03:03:41.760 --> 03:03:45.840 no excuse to not go out and make something to put out on social media. 2089 03:03:45.959 --> 03:03:48.520 Like I do short films that I've I've done short films that have been 2090 03:03:48.719 --> 03:03:52.600 proof of concept pieces. I've done short films that have been for the festival 2091 03:03:52.639 --> 03:03:56.479 circuit. I've done short films that are just to like, you know, 2092 03:03:58.559 --> 03:04:01.399 to put out on Facebook, you know, during some holidays like Halloween and 2093 03:04:01.559 --> 03:04:07.600 and you know, Christmas for you know my my like Facebook, cinemadiacs and 2094 03:04:07.079 --> 03:04:13.760 friends or whatever. You just you just have to produce, you know, 2095 03:04:13.000 --> 03:04:18.559 you have to produce content in this environment, you know what I mean. 2096 03:04:18.079 --> 03:04:22.120 And I just you know, And one other thing that I want to wanted 2097 03:04:22.159 --> 03:04:28.280 to talk about about the production was the score by David Wingo. It's so 2098 03:04:28.520 --> 03:04:35.680 perfect. It flows with every scene amazingly. And here's here's a great story 2099 03:04:35.719 --> 03:04:41.479 behind that is that I knew I knew David from from years back. And 2100 03:04:41.520 --> 03:04:45.200 of course he you know, he he did the score for that show Barry 2101 03:04:45.280 --> 03:04:46.639 on HBO. But he also, you know, did a bunch of stuff 2102 03:04:46.639 --> 03:04:52.879 for David Gordon Green, right, and you know, like Manglehorn, and 2103 03:04:52.920 --> 03:04:56.799 he did Jeff Nichols stuff like Take Shelter and the Upcoming Bike Rider, and 2104 03:04:56.920 --> 03:05:03.239 you know, David Wingo has done a lot stuff. And I reached out 2105 03:05:03.280 --> 03:05:09.479 to him and he said, he said he was busy, and he said 2106 03:05:09.479 --> 03:05:13.159 he you know, he really loved the like still I sent him a bunch 2107 03:05:13.200 --> 03:05:18.159 of stills and he goes, Man, I really like this, but I'm 2108 03:05:18.159 --> 03:05:22.399 really busy right now, he goes, But you know what, he goes, 2109 03:05:22.520 --> 03:05:28.479 I did a score for something like when I was just starting out years 2110 03:05:28.520 --> 03:05:33.200 ago, this film that didn't go anywhere. It was this little like documentary 2111 03:05:33.520 --> 03:05:37.200 and he goes, he goes, and I've got the rights back to it. 2112 03:05:39.040 --> 03:05:43.239 And it's always bugged me that it couldn't be used for something h And 2113 03:05:43.440 --> 03:05:48.760 he sent me that score. And let me tell you something, if we 2114 03:05:48.799 --> 03:05:54.319 had spent a million dollars. We could not have gotten a score that was 2115 03:05:54.399 --> 03:06:03.600 more perfect for that film in every way that was That was absolutely uncanny, 2116 03:06:03.200 --> 03:06:09.680 the way that that happened. And you know, if something else for you 2117 03:06:09.920 --> 03:06:13.840 is that, you know, years back, we've been talking about Dario Argeno, 2118 03:06:15.559 --> 03:06:22.280 but years back, I actually did some consulting work on David Gordon Green's 2119 03:06:22.280 --> 03:06:31.440 proposed remake of Suspiria. Oh boy, yeah, the the the aborted remake 2120 03:06:31.600 --> 03:06:35.799 of Suspiria. I actually worked. I worked on that for nine for only 2121 03:06:35.920 --> 03:06:41.920 nine days, with the guy that had The guy that had was was working 2122 03:06:41.000 --> 03:06:46.360 off the script was an old buddy of mine from film school. But I 2123 03:06:46.440 --> 03:06:52.799 actually we went back and forth on that for about nine days as he was 2124 03:06:52.840 --> 03:06:58.840 getting the latest draft of the script together for whatever the production company was, 2125 03:06:58.799 --> 03:07:03.959 you know, in Rome. It wound up not happening, but I thought 2126 03:07:03.000 --> 03:07:07.959 you would you might find that interesting, very interesting. I mean, there's 2127 03:07:09.000 --> 03:07:11.280 so much that has changed in that side of the industry as well. I 2128 03:07:11.280 --> 03:07:16.600 mean, the films that were being made even ten years ago aren't able to 2129 03:07:16.639 --> 03:07:20.799 get funding nowadays. And it's it's sad, and I'm happy that some people 2130 03:07:20.840 --> 03:07:24.120 are finally starting to talk about it. Like we had that quote from the 2131 03:07:24.120 --> 03:07:28.159 Oscars this year of instead of you know, a two hundred million dollar movie, 2132 03:07:28.200 --> 03:07:31.280 let's make ten twenty million dollar movies or whatever the exact quote was, 2133 03:07:31.399 --> 03:07:35.360 It's so important that we focus on things like that. And I mean the 2134 03:07:35.879 --> 03:07:41.239 issue with that is that they do make those movies, but they don't get 2135 03:07:41.239 --> 03:07:45.479 any advertising, and they just show up on one of these streaming platforms and 2136 03:07:43.879 --> 03:07:50.879 they have a list talent yep. Like there's so many twenty to forty million 2137 03:07:50.920 --> 03:07:54.840 dollar movies that just like wash up. And here's the issue with that. 2138 03:07:56.799 --> 03:08:00.200 And I was talking to somebody about this the other day, is that we 2139 03:08:00.319 --> 03:08:07.120 have you know, take Adam Driver and Liam Hemsworth right, like you know 2140 03:08:07.479 --> 03:08:16.120 the guy that played Thor, like that guy, super talented guy, seems 2141 03:08:16.200 --> 03:08:22.959 genuine, you know, nice guy. Like his movies outside of Thor and 2142 03:08:22.159 --> 03:08:31.120 Marvel don't draw a dime, like they're bombs, Like they're flops, like 2143 03:08:31.239 --> 03:08:37.799 Adam Driver's movies are almost unanimously flops. And you have you have this bizarre 2144 03:08:37.959 --> 03:08:50.239 system where where pre sales in getting financing these actors are like getting movies in 2145 03:08:50.559 --> 03:08:58.600 greenlit. But it doesn't mean anything to audiences when they're actually released, right, 2146 03:08:58.760 --> 03:09:05.440 So like Adam Driver and Liam Liam, the Hemsworth can can get can 2147 03:09:05.520 --> 03:09:11.040 just go from from box office flop to box office flop, and they can 2148 03:09:11.079 --> 03:09:16.559 get additional projects financed on pre sales. But then when the films are actually 2149 03:09:16.559 --> 03:09:24.319 released, they don't make any money, right, like in actual reality outside 2150 03:09:24.360 --> 03:09:28.719 of that bubble when they when they're advertised, right or when they show up 2151 03:09:28.760 --> 03:09:33.920 on Netflix, people aren't watching them, you know what I mean, Like, 2152 03:09:33.959 --> 03:09:41.719 I guess Hemsworth have those extraction movies that did all right on Netflix, 2153 03:09:41.239 --> 03:09:46.719 but you have a The reason I'm telling this story is that you have an 2154 03:09:46.719 --> 03:09:52.959 industry that's in complete turmoil, right where all the things that like used to 2155 03:09:52.040 --> 03:09:58.360 work don't work, and it seems like things are like are like running counter 2156 03:10:00.120 --> 03:10:07.399 to what reality actually is. And the reason that's happening is because like they're 2157 03:10:07.520 --> 03:10:13.760 doing what should on paper work, because that's what's worked in the past, 2158 03:10:13.719 --> 03:10:18.520 right, you know, like like oh, we have a big name actor, 2159 03:10:18.680 --> 03:10:22.280 we make a big movie, you know, And so you'll you'll see 2160 03:10:22.479 --> 03:10:28.159 articles where people acknowledge things like oh, man, you know, there aren't 2161 03:10:28.159 --> 03:10:33.159 any movie stars anymore, Like they say that, but they don't act on 2162 03:10:33.280 --> 03:10:39.159 that reality right away, you know what I mean, Like they're still making 2163 03:10:39.239 --> 03:10:46.040 movies as if there are movie stars, but these movie stars aren't drawing, 2164 03:10:46.639 --> 03:10:52.120 not at all, you know. And again sometimes the movies aren't very good, 2165 03:10:52.440 --> 03:10:56.840 but many times the movies are very good. Right, But it does 2166 03:10:58.120 --> 03:11:03.760 they just don't mean anything, you know what I mean? So I think 2167 03:11:03.079 --> 03:11:09.079 so so and so I think when when you see and I'm using that right, 2168 03:11:09.159 --> 03:11:15.319 like extreme examples are great for it for educational purposes. I'm using that 2169 03:11:15.440 --> 03:11:20.440 example as kind of you know, what's going on in the entire industry right 2170 03:11:20.440 --> 03:11:26.079 now. How we just talked a little bit ago about how, you know, 2171 03:11:26.000 --> 03:11:31.479 with no advertising whatsoever, like Hulu and Netflix put up suits and you 2172 03:11:31.520 --> 03:11:39.959 know, moon Lighting and they absolutely exploded, right And like meanwhile, you've 2173 03:11:39.959 --> 03:11:43.280 got like a thirty to forty million dollar movie with Benedicte, cumber Patch that 2174 03:11:43.360 --> 03:11:48.399 shows up on Amazon Prime and no one watches it. You know what I 2175 03:11:48.399 --> 03:11:56.239 mean? This is so so so there's there's a lot of just you know, 2176 03:11:56.079 --> 03:12:00.879 you know, what's what's right is left and what's left is right going 2177 03:12:00.920 --> 03:12:05.840 on? You know. So so even though people and I am one of 2178 03:12:05.879 --> 03:12:13.920 them, right, that will talk about the the wild incompetence that runs rampant 2179 03:12:13.840 --> 03:12:22.559 in Hollywood, right right. I do sympathize. I do sympathize because there 2180 03:12:22.639 --> 03:12:28.639 are genuine people in the business that are genuinely trying to navigate this peril time, 2181 03:12:30.159 --> 03:12:35.760 perilous time. I do sympathize with them when literally every aspect about the 2182 03:12:35.799 --> 03:12:43.200 business is completely doing a three sisters three sixty and going against everything they've been 2183 03:12:43.319 --> 03:12:50.239 taught or experienced for decades. It's depressing. That's the big thing is for 2184 03:12:50.280 --> 03:12:52.879 a lot of people. It takes It takes the wind out of your sales. 2185 03:12:52.879 --> 03:12:56.479 For anything that you're working on, it takes the wind out of your 2186 03:12:56.520 --> 03:13:00.000 sales. And I'm going to finish up here in five minutes. It takes 2187 03:13:00.239 --> 03:13:05.479 the wind. It takes the wind out of your sales. To in my 2188 03:13:05.600 --> 03:13:11.280 opinion, okay, this is the easiest time to make movies. It's the 2189 03:13:11.319 --> 03:13:18.879 worst time to make money making movies, right, and so can people scratch 2190 03:13:18.000 --> 03:13:24.760 the itch? Yes, that's a big win because of the democratization that we 2191 03:13:24.760 --> 03:13:30.239 we we talked about, you know what I mean, because the technology is 2192 03:13:30.280 --> 03:13:35.559 available to everybody. I don't want to dwell on that, but that's that's 2193 03:13:35.639 --> 03:13:39.879 one part of it. Now we're getting really good movies. We're still getting 2194 03:13:41.920 --> 03:13:48.799 good cinema. Okay, overall, all right, there's there's some you know, 2195 03:13:48.879 --> 03:13:56.360 the best quality television ever has has been being made. There's also lots 2196 03:13:56.360 --> 03:13:58.799 of really bad stuff being made. Okay, I'm not going to say there's 2197 03:13:58.840 --> 03:14:03.520 no, but there's always been a lot of bad stuff being made. Okay, 2198 03:14:05.200 --> 03:14:11.399 Yeah, there's there's a lot of good stuff being made. Now there's 2199 03:14:11.440 --> 03:14:18.120 going to be peaks and valleys, right when when when you have turbulent times, 2200 03:14:18.840 --> 03:14:24.479 the valleys are always going to seem worse, right, the valleys are 2201 03:14:24.520 --> 03:14:30.959 always going to seem worse, especially when you're in an era where everybody's commenting 2202 03:14:31.040 --> 03:14:35.239 on everything in real time, you know what I mean. And that was 2203 03:14:35.280 --> 03:14:37.639 social media. Everyone's a critic too, and you hear opinions no matter how 2204 03:14:37.719 --> 03:14:45.399 how hard. Everybody's a critic. And look, nobody anybody that gets up 2205 03:14:46.079 --> 03:14:52.319 and here's here's another thing. Like you've got these cottage industries of these people 2206 03:14:52.959 --> 03:14:58.680 that get up every morning and look for a reason as to why, you 2207 03:14:58.760 --> 03:15:03.639 know, Kathleen Kennedy ruined their life, you know what I mean, They 2208 03:15:03.719 --> 03:15:09.399 lost their job and their wife divorced them because Ray, right, Ray happened 2209 03:15:09.440 --> 03:15:16.559 in Star Wars, you know. And I just think that stuff is when 2210 03:15:16.600 --> 03:15:20.200 I when I look at the big when when you look at the big picture, 2211 03:15:22.319 --> 03:15:26.399 there's I mean, there's a lot to like talk about with you know, 2212 03:15:26.520 --> 03:15:30.559 Disney and Marvel and Star Wars and all that. But at the end 2213 03:15:30.639 --> 03:15:37.159 of the day, like I I grew up in a Disney valley. I 2214 03:15:37.280 --> 03:15:41.680 grew up when every movie Disney put out was crap. Their TV show was 2215 03:15:41.719 --> 03:15:46.799 a joke, and the theme the theme Parks was all they had going on 2216 03:15:48.440 --> 03:15:56.920 until The Little Mermaid sparked an entire renaissance. Right. I was also there 2217 03:15:56.040 --> 03:16:01.000 when after you know, Pocahontas and like the Hunchback of Notre Dame, after 2218 03:16:01.079 --> 03:16:05.680 the Renaissance period like ended. I was there when everybody was like, you 2219 03:16:05.719 --> 03:16:11.639 know, you know, declaring Disney dead when that happened, right. And 2220 03:16:11.719 --> 03:16:18.959 I was there when Toy Story came out and revolutionized Disney all over again. 2221 03:16:18.399 --> 03:16:24.040 Like here's the thing, Disney just had one of the biggest epic runs in 2222 03:16:24.079 --> 03:16:30.520 the history of entertainment, right, And look, they were due for a 2223 03:16:30.600 --> 03:16:35.159 downturn, you know. And and and that's a whole nother discussion you have, 2224 03:16:35.239 --> 03:16:43.479 you know, death by a thousand cuts whatever. But what I'm getting 2225 03:16:43.520 --> 03:16:50.479 at is that there are peaks and valleys in the business, and the valleys 2226 03:16:50.559 --> 03:16:56.120 just seem exacerbated due to all the other you know, elements that are going 2227 03:16:56.200 --> 03:17:00.000 on right now in the in the world, you know what I mean, 2228 03:17:00.239 --> 03:17:07.479 socio politically, socio economically. Right, yeah, And but but you know 2229 03:17:07.079 --> 03:17:13.959 Disney, Disney making crappy movies back to back, like that's not like some 2230 03:17:15.440 --> 03:17:24.079 historical anomalynis right. We have plenty evidence of of Disney making stinkers, you 2231 03:17:24.120 --> 03:17:30.239 know what I mean. And look they got they got super greedy after a 2232 03:17:30.360 --> 03:17:33.600 huge run where they could do no wrong. You know, they started believing 2233 03:17:33.639 --> 03:17:39.200 their own hype. Right. We've seen that happen before, right, and 2234 03:17:39.319 --> 03:17:43.920 you know things that everything that rises must converge, you know, it happens 2235 03:17:43.200 --> 03:17:46.520 is part of the like the like circle of life, you know what I 2236 03:17:46.559 --> 03:17:52.520 mean. Oh yeah, so, I mean, but again, that's that's 2237 03:17:52.559 --> 03:17:56.680 gonna that's gonna turn around. Didn't they just have some huge like hit over 2238 03:17:56.719 --> 03:18:01.399 the weekend with Inside Out to or something did very well. Right, They've 2239 03:18:01.399 --> 03:18:05.639 got X Men in Deadpool coming, I mean things are gonna you know, 2240 03:18:05.760 --> 03:18:09.959 things are going to turn are going to turn around there. You know, 2241 03:18:11.159 --> 03:18:15.200 I think we've had I want to end on a positive note here, because 2242 03:18:15.280 --> 03:18:20.440 we have in streaming. You know, you can say what you want about 2243 03:18:20.559 --> 03:18:24.200 Netflix, you can say what you want about Amazon, about Hulu, but 2244 03:18:24.399 --> 03:18:31.319 we have more access to high quality international programming from all around the world than 2245 03:18:31.360 --> 03:18:35.280 we've ever had, you know what I mean, Like there is so much 2246 03:18:35.520 --> 03:18:41.120 there. There is in documentaries. I mean, there is so much high, 2247 03:18:41.200 --> 03:18:48.399 high quality programming available. Now what I am a little concerned about, 2248 03:18:48.840 --> 03:18:54.280 and hey, maybe may maybe this works to your business's advantage, is that, 2249 03:18:54.440 --> 03:19:00.520 you know, the one thing that Amazon, well Amazon's actually pretty good 2250 03:19:00.520 --> 03:19:05.159 at this, but Netflix is atrocious and Hulu doesn't want to push it. 2251 03:19:05.000 --> 03:19:11.360 But you know, you don't have in terms of the older movies, they're 2252 03:19:11.440 --> 03:19:16.959 kind of like whacking. But you know, does that work to Kino, 2253 03:19:16.159 --> 03:19:22.719 Lorber and all these boutique labels benefit that the like streamers don't offer these old 2254 03:19:22.799 --> 03:19:28.920 movies. I mean, yeah, maybe I got Just a few months ago, 2255 03:19:28.000 --> 03:19:33.760 I had my first in person in my house interview with a minor celebrity, 2256 03:19:33.920 --> 03:19:35.840 and one of the things we talked about was he walked in and was 2257 03:19:37.280 --> 03:19:41.120 just astonished that I had so many physical media releases, and he said, 2258 03:19:41.200 --> 03:19:43.840 well, how many of these are on streaming? And he was just completely 2259 03:19:43.879 --> 03:19:48.920 baffled when I said, honestly, maybe thirty five to forty percent of them 2260 03:19:48.280 --> 03:19:52.879 are on streaming right now. And he was like, oh really, And 2261 03:19:52.920 --> 03:19:54.680 I had to explain, like, yeah, a lot of these are films. 2262 03:19:56.159 --> 03:20:00.000 People just you know, they're not Sam peckinpod, They're not a clinie 2263 03:20:00.120 --> 03:20:03.879 would film, and so because of that, they get sort of relegated to 2264 03:20:03.920 --> 03:20:07.079 the to the back seat, and they're they're not you know, focused on 2265 03:20:07.120 --> 03:20:09.879 for licensing, and therefore boutiques put them out. They sell decently there, 2266 03:20:09.920 --> 03:20:13.319 but at the same time, it is a niche of a niche, and 2267 03:20:13.360 --> 03:20:16.840 so if a boutique can sell it to fifteen hundred people, maybe that's a 2268 03:20:16.840 --> 03:20:20.360 smash success for them. But if it was on streaming and even three times 2269 03:20:20.440 --> 03:20:24.440 that to say, forty five hundred people watch that that is a massive failure, 2270 03:20:26.479 --> 03:20:30.079 right right, And I mean I think that is you know, I 2271 03:20:30.120 --> 03:20:35.079 think that is is somewhere where the boutique labels could could pick up slack. 2272 03:20:35.159 --> 03:20:37.719 But again, you know, more about those numbers than I do, but 2273 03:20:39.120 --> 03:20:46.200 you know, there you can certainly. I think the sweet spot was a 2274 03:20:46.239 --> 03:20:50.559 few years ago when we had on demand. Yeah, I think on demand 2275 03:20:50.799 --> 03:20:56.319 on Comcast was the sweet spot because, you know, young kids wanting to 2276 03:20:56.360 --> 03:21:01.040 get into movies that had the hunger. They could just pick up the controller 2277 03:21:01.079 --> 03:21:03.239 and say Jack Nicholson and you would have like seven movies that choose from. 2278 03:21:03.440 --> 03:21:07.879 You could say Woody Allen, you could have like twenty movies that choose from. 2279 03:21:07.920 --> 03:21:11.000 You know what I mean. You could literally pick a name out of 2280 03:21:11.040 --> 03:21:16.840 a hat and you would have a wide selection to choose from. That's the 2281 03:21:16.959 --> 03:21:22.120 closest to the digital version of the video Magic Video Store that I talked about 2282 03:21:22.120 --> 03:21:26.840 at the beginning of the conversation that I've that I've experienced in the modern age. 2283 03:21:28.200 --> 03:21:31.159 I think that and local libraries, I think are some of the best 2284 03:21:31.159 --> 03:21:35.399 ways that we could have this type of conversation because we don't talk about libraries 2285 03:21:35.520 --> 03:21:41.360 enough. Yeah, local libraries have really good selections. When I was I'm 2286 03:21:41.360 --> 03:21:46.319 glad you mentioned that. When I was living in a studio, man, 2287 03:21:46.360 --> 03:21:50.559 I love that studio and down in downtown Jacksonville's the walking distance from the library, 2288 03:21:50.680 --> 03:21:54.440 and you know, I was finding some great stuff in there to fill 2289 03:21:54.479 --> 03:21:58.959 the gaps, you know, not just to fill the gaps, but also 2290 03:21:58.040 --> 03:22:01.799 you know, they would get fit physical copies of you know, classics, 2291 03:22:01.840 --> 03:22:05.840 more obscure stuff, foreign stuff, lots of foreign stuff, lots of BBC 2292 03:22:07.159 --> 03:22:13.000 series, not the not the poorly produced BBC series from the sixties and seventies, 2293 03:22:13.000 --> 03:22:18.000 but the more modern produced ones. You know what I'm talking about. 2294 03:22:18.079 --> 03:22:20.799 We definitely know what I'm talking about there. But you know, I mean 2295 03:22:20.959 --> 03:22:26.559 I use the library to you know, revisit black Adder, you know, 2296 03:22:26.520 --> 03:22:31.200 I you know, so, I mean, the the public library is a 2297 03:22:31.200 --> 03:22:35.079 great spot. But you know what like having you know, people got to 2298 03:22:35.120 --> 03:22:39.200 have the hunger, right and that's one thing that we can't expect from people 2299 03:22:39.600 --> 03:22:43.479 is to have the same hunger that that we do, because it's a passion 2300 03:22:43.559 --> 03:22:46.479 for us, you know what I mean, it's a passion for us. 2301 03:22:46.879 --> 03:22:50.319 You know, I think that those that want to find it will find it 2302 03:22:50.399 --> 03:22:54.479 between all the all the streaming platforms. But you know, there's more people 2303 03:22:56.319 --> 03:23:03.920 than ever before that are watching for in movies and foreign produced content because of 2304 03:23:05.120 --> 03:23:11.319 Netflix, Amazon, in Hulu than ever before, dude, ever before, 2305 03:23:11.159 --> 03:23:18.760 easily, So I give them props for that. You know, they did 2306 03:23:18.840 --> 03:23:26.120 more to bring to make world cinema something that was commonplace. They did more 2307 03:23:26.200 --> 03:23:33.319 than any film festival, than any Academy Awards show, any Golden Globe show, 2308 03:23:33.479 --> 03:23:39.399 any entertainment magazine ever. Did you know people that I never in a 2309 03:23:39.440 --> 03:23:43.680 million years would would hear saying, oh, I'm watching this new South Korean 2310 03:23:43.760 --> 03:23:48.239 show. You know what I mean? People have all walks of life that 2311 03:23:48.319 --> 03:23:54.520 aren't even cinephiles. They watch shows, you know, procedurals, you know, 2312 03:23:54.680 --> 03:23:58.239 they watched like those you know how in like you know, France and 2313 03:23:58.600 --> 03:24:05.639 Belgium and Poland. They they'll they'll they'll produce those like limited uh series that 2314 03:24:05.719 --> 03:24:07.639 you know are like, you know, somebody gets killed and blah blah blah 2315 03:24:07.639 --> 03:24:11.559 blah blah, the procedurals, you know what I mean, Like like like 2316 03:24:11.760 --> 03:24:18.520 people watch those that are just you know, regular, regular average Joe's and 2317 03:24:18.680 --> 03:24:26.040 Jane's that you know, could care less about this entire discussion we've had, 2318 03:24:26.799 --> 03:24:31.360 and they're you know, they're ingesting the you know, content from all these 2319 03:24:31.399 --> 03:24:35.680 different countries, from all these different cultures. So I mean, I want 2320 03:24:35.719 --> 03:24:41.200 to end on a on a positive note talking about about that and you know, 2321 03:24:41.479 --> 03:24:48.159 and the the fact that the these boutique labels and then you know these 2322 03:24:48.200 --> 03:24:52.719 this physical media is you know, fills in fills in some much so much 2323 03:24:52.840 --> 03:24:58.600 need needed gaps. But you know, there's obviously a lot of turbulence and 2324 03:24:58.280 --> 03:25:05.360 and a lot of w whirlwinds, I mean headwinds in the world today that 2325 03:25:05.600 --> 03:25:09.159 are going to be impacting you know, not just you know, not just 2326 03:25:09.280 --> 03:25:13.000 this, but also you know, all all sorts of things. And I 2327 03:25:13.040 --> 03:25:18.440 certainly want to I want to thank you for having me on there. This 2328 03:25:18.479 --> 03:25:22.680 has been a dynamite conversation. I know you're going to have to edit it. 2329 03:25:22.120 --> 03:25:26.680 I hope I didn't give you give you too much work to do in 2330 03:25:26.719 --> 03:25:28.920 that regard, but hey, I have been on fire, my man. 2331 03:25:30.440 --> 03:25:37.399 Start talking about movies the way that the way that we have and sparks will 2332 03:25:37.440 --> 03:25:41.959 fly. Amen. Yeah, this has been an incredible conversation, Damien. 2333 03:25:41.959 --> 03:25:46.719 I would love to have you back on someday. The editing, it's don't 2334 03:25:46.719 --> 03:25:50.600 worry about it's my favorite thing, especially when I get to hear some of 2335 03:25:50.680 --> 03:25:54.159 your waxing poetic Again, as we were talking about leaving on a high note, 2336 03:25:54.680 --> 03:26:00.280 please remember seven Slate for the sale We've got a couple of titles with 2337 03:26:00.479 --> 03:26:03.440 Dami's hands all over it. We've got opera that you know, Christina was 2338 03:26:03.479 --> 03:26:07.639 in, Christina now is on the special features for the first time in literally 2339 03:26:07.680 --> 03:26:11.879 decades. And then we of course have the other one that is a little 2340 03:26:11.920 --> 03:26:16.200 more personal for you, simple like Silver, which again I will say, 2341 03:26:16.559 --> 03:26:22.200 watched, loved, beautiful looking. If you're into any sort of experimental cinema, 2342 03:26:22.639 --> 03:26:24.799 this is probably going to be one for you. It's one of those 2343 03:26:24.840 --> 03:26:28.079 that leaves you with a lot of questions, a lot of thoughts. It 2344 03:26:28.159 --> 03:26:33.079 will linger with you after you watch it, and just congratulations. It's it's 2345 03:26:33.120 --> 03:26:37.440 a really well done film, and I'm honored to have been able to speak 2346 03:26:37.440 --> 03:26:41.239 with you about it. Thank thank you, the you know, the great 2347 03:26:41.280 --> 03:26:46.319 reviews we got for it were deeply appreciated. And that also has an audio 2348 03:26:46.399 --> 03:26:52.399 commentary track by me and as an audio commentary track by Christina Marceli perfect. 2349 03:26:52.680 --> 03:26:56.479 I appreciate your time and we'll let you get back to enjoying your evening in 2350 03:26:56.520 --> 03:27:00.799 Pakistan there sir, all right, and hey Brian, if you find time 2351 03:27:00.840 --> 03:27:03.360 tonight watch a good movie. I will do my best. Everybody listening do 2352 03:27:03.440 --> 03:27:09.079 the same all right later. If you're looking for more horror outside of the 2353 03:27:09.120 --> 03:27:15.840 mainstream, look no further than Unsung Horrors, a podcast about underseen horror movies. 2354 03:27:16.559 --> 03:27:20.799 I'm Lance and I'm Erica. 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