WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:04.160 Katie r h Garden Line does not necessarily endorse any of the products or services 2 00:00:04.160 --> 00:00:10.400 advertised on this program. Welcome to Katie r H Garden Line. With Skip 3 00:00:10.519 --> 00:00:19.679 Richter's shoes crazy handing the gas gas can you want a shrimp, you just 4 00:00:19.960 --> 00:00:28.839 watch him as worlds the gas gas can you many Gona takes the sepotas in 5 00:00:29.960 --> 00:00:36.159 bringing the basses like gas began, you didst club of backing, not a 6 00:00:36.399 --> 00:00:47.240 sun glasses a gas the sun beam and bring in the gasses and gas can 7 00:00:47.359 --> 00:00:55.320 you jam starting out of treating bringing in the gases gas came you did? 8 00:00:56.520 --> 00:01:03.240 Happy than he so clean. Welcome back to garden Line. We are glad 9 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:07.400 you're here and listening. We're a gardening call in show. We're about to 10 00:01:07.480 --> 00:01:12.680 take an hour though where we're going to visit with someone from thet PTSD Foundation 11 00:01:12.760 --> 00:01:17.719 of America and Camp Hope, and so if you have a call about veterans, 12 00:01:18.239 --> 00:01:22.599 about Camp Hope or the PTSD Foundation, feel free to call. If 13 00:01:22.640 --> 00:01:25.439 it's a gardening call, would you hold it and we'll take you in the 14 00:01:25.519 --> 00:01:30.959 last hour beteen nine and ten, Thank you very much for that. I'm 15 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:34.439 going to be speaking with David Malsby of the PTSD Foundation and Camp Hope. 16 00:01:34.680 --> 00:01:38.959 David, welcome, Thank you sir. Good to have you here. It's 17 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:42.200 always great to be here. Appreciate the opportunity very much. All Right, 18 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:45.879 that's good. Well, boy, there's a lot to talk about today, 19 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:49.359 and I'm telling you I have I've seen a lot of materials that you guys 20 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:55.680 provide from PTSD Foundation, and uh, it almost wears you out looking at 21 00:01:55.719 --> 00:01:57.680 all the accomplishments and the history and everything. But why don't we just start 22 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:04.439 off? Tell me how did you get interested in this? What made you, 23 00:02:04.719 --> 00:02:07.719 you know, throw your life into this particular program. You know, 24 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:16.000 my background is pastoring, and I had gotten to a point in my just 25 00:02:16.120 --> 00:02:20.759 in my life's journey, I wanted to kind of get my hands a little 26 00:02:20.800 --> 00:02:25.080 dirtier than what was going on in church. And I came across, through 27 00:02:25.120 --> 00:02:30.319 a friend, an opportunity to be a part of what was happening at this 28 00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:35.759 organization which was actually started as another with another name and to raise money for 29 00:02:36.039 --> 00:02:39.319 a national organization. And then he wanted to switch it over and become what 30 00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:43.919 he called boots on the ground. Okay, So when I heard what was 31 00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:47.360 going on in the veteran community, time two thousand and nine stats were one 32 00:02:47.439 --> 00:02:52.840 of every three out homeless person in Houston was a military vet, So like, 33 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:58.120 why are there so many homeless vets? And they weren't all Vietnam beites. 34 00:02:58.240 --> 00:03:02.639 Those guys were already coming home from Iraq in Afghanistan, We're already finding 35 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:08.919 themselves homeless. So that combined with some of the suicide statistics that just became 36 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:13.120 quite obvious. This is a great opportunity to try to make a big difference. 37 00:03:13.520 --> 00:03:15.960 Well, we will get into those statistics here in a bit. I 38 00:03:16.520 --> 00:03:21.439 think it's important because it's eye opening. You know, as I was thinking 39 00:03:21.479 --> 00:03:24.639 about the issue, it's when you hear the real story of what's going on 40 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:30.680 with vets, it just it's a load. It's a weight to think about 41 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:34.840 what it must be, what they're going through and what they're doing, and 42 00:03:34.879 --> 00:03:39.120 then you look at the stats that's taking their own lives or things like that, 43 00:03:39.280 --> 00:03:46.360 and it's just a it's a heavy. But we want to understand the 44 00:03:46.439 --> 00:03:51.000 full extent of the problem because that helps us more and more appreciate what can 45 00:03:51.080 --> 00:03:53.240 be done and what is being done. So i'd like you to start off 46 00:03:53.280 --> 00:03:57.680 if you would tell me a little bit about the PTSD Foundation of America and 47 00:03:57.879 --> 00:04:00.639 Camp Hope. In two thousand and nine, we kind of hit the streets 48 00:04:00.680 --> 00:04:04.439 in Houston trying to help some veterans deal with post traumatic stress. It was 49 00:04:04.960 --> 00:04:10.560 really just helping one individual out of time, and then when we were able 50 00:04:10.639 --> 00:04:14.240 to start helping a few, we started forming our groups. And that's really 51 00:04:14.319 --> 00:04:17.800 our DNA is the peer to peer and support groups. So we were running 52 00:04:17.839 --> 00:04:24.560 three different groups across Houston. Then in twenty twelve we open Camp Hope and 53 00:04:24.759 --> 00:04:28.959 that's the residential portion of what we do, and today we bring in veterans 54 00:04:29.000 --> 00:04:33.480 from all branches of the military all across the country. We've got about nearly 55 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:40.759 one hundred and twenty veterans living on our campus right now and they're there anywhere 56 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:43.600 from six to nine months, sometimes up to and over a year, just 57 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:46.600 depending on multiple factors that are going on in their life. But it's a 58 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:51.519 very intense program. It's all at no charge to the veteran of their families. 59 00:04:51.680 --> 00:04:57.360 That's amazing. We live in the greatest community in the world. Folks 60 00:04:57.360 --> 00:05:01.199 who understand takes more than a bumper sticker to support the troops. That's true, 61 00:05:01.240 --> 00:05:04.079 and that's why we're able to do what we do well, that is 62 00:05:04.519 --> 00:05:10.319 that is good the camp hope and I think you have folks that come through 63 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:14.800 there are about six to twelve months they spend at least, yes, so 64 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:18.519 program itself is the six to eight months, six to nine months, the 65 00:05:18.639 --> 00:05:24.240 transition parts where it can get a little longer, some of the guys dealing 66 00:05:24.319 --> 00:05:28.759 with multiple factors, sometimes felonies or other issues that are going on in their 67 00:05:28.800 --> 00:05:30.839 life. Trying to get you know, what's your go forward? How can 68 00:05:30.879 --> 00:05:34.800 you get a job and a career that can support you your family if your 69 00:05:34.839 --> 00:05:40.000 family's still intact right. But that's a big part of what we do is 70 00:05:40.360 --> 00:05:44.399 how do you go forward from this? Well, tell us a little bit 71 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:51.120 about how a veteran might be involved with the program and what that might look 72 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:57.720 like. I know you encounter folks that you guys go out and find out 73 00:05:57.759 --> 00:06:01.519 about and you hunt them down to find them to begin to bring that hope. 74 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:06.240 But what are some ways that the veterans end up with the PTSD Foundation. 75 00:06:08.839 --> 00:06:12.439 Well, I kind of call us kind of the last stop for many 76 00:06:12.519 --> 00:06:15.959 guys. They've burned every bridge by the time they get to us. In 77 00:06:16.079 --> 00:06:20.240 the most part, they find out about us because a family member or a 78 00:06:20.399 --> 00:06:27.360 friend reaches out to them someone they served with came through the program and encourages 79 00:06:27.480 --> 00:06:30.800 them to check us out. But we also get guys from you know, 80 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:34.759 the psychle ward at the VA. We get guys from veterans' courts all across 81 00:06:34.839 --> 00:06:40.399 the country, so they come to us from legal systems. It's it's a 82 00:06:40.439 --> 00:06:42.879 little bit of everything. But like anything else, you know, word of 83 00:06:42.959 --> 00:06:46.639 mouth is always the number one way they hear about us, but typically you 84 00:06:46.720 --> 00:06:51.120 know, they're in a bad spot where they wouldn't be willing to come to 85 00:06:51.199 --> 00:06:55.560 Camp Hope. Yeah. Well, we got about a minute left where we're 86 00:06:55.560 --> 00:06:58.000 going to take a break here and we will come back. I gouts so 87 00:06:58.079 --> 00:07:01.879 many questions, where do we begin for a long time. That's right, 88 00:07:02.319 --> 00:07:06.800 that's right, I am spoke. I am speaking today with David Malsby of 89 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:13.800 the PTSD Foundation of America and Camp Hope, and we're talking about veterans, 90 00:07:13.839 --> 00:07:16.399 and when we come back, we're going to talk about some of the issues 91 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:20.560 that veterans deal with and how Camp Hope addresses those issues because they have a 92 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:26.920 number of really outstanding programs. Uh. And so that's will would be when 93 00:07:26.959 --> 00:07:29.759 we get back here. In just a minute. Our phone number if you'd 94 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:34.399 like to call and talk to David about something related to PTSD or Camp Hope 95 00:07:34.519 --> 00:07:40.519 or or whatever, our phone number is seven one three two one two five 96 00:07:40.680 --> 00:07:46.240 eight seven four seven one three two one two fifty eight seventy four. Welcome 97 00:07:46.319 --> 00:07:50.000 back to Garden Line. We're glad you're listening this hour. We are visiting 98 00:07:50.120 --> 00:07:56.759 with David Malsby. David is with the PTSD Foundation of America and of course 99 00:07:56.920 --> 00:08:01.040 the Camp Hope Project. David, could can you help us understand a little 100 00:08:01.079 --> 00:08:05.439 bit what is PTSD? I mean, I know what the words post traumatic 101 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:11.000 stress disorder, but that's a little vague for a lot of folks. What 102 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:16.439 does that mean? What does that look like? We describe it as a 103 00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:24.480 natural response to a very unnatural trauma slash situation. But we deal with combat 104 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:28.319 related specifically. Anybody can have PTSD that's experienced trauma, and if you've lived 105 00:08:28.360 --> 00:08:33.039 for a minute, you've experienced trauma. But in our world with combat related 106 00:08:33.639 --> 00:08:37.679 you take an eighteen year old kid that grew up in small town Texas and 107 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:43.200 all he knows is Friday night football and mom or grandma dragging to church on 108 00:08:43.320 --> 00:08:50.399 Sunday and kind of you know, a fairly sheltered life at least, sees 109 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:54.120 what happens with nine to eleven, decides he wants to sign up and go 110 00:08:54.240 --> 00:08:58.080 get some revenge. It goes to another part of the world, sees a 111 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:03.039 part of the world that has zero zer value for life, completely different you 112 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:09.240 know world outlook than what we have here, Sees what he sees has to 113 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:13.159 do what he does. Loses so much while he's there. And it's not 114 00:09:13.399 --> 00:09:18.120 just those who were to his left or to his right, but just the 115 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:20.879 sense of value, the sense of right and wrong, sense of morals, 116 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:26.600 and just because of the situation. Yes, then they come home. Now 117 00:09:26.639 --> 00:09:30.759 that you've got a twenty three year old kid that's been to war and is 118 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:35.519 greatly altered in every aspect of his life, he can't go back to being 119 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:37.000 who he was. Yeah, so he tries to go to school and then 120 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:41.080 you know, all the guys he went to high school with of all graduated 121 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:43.639 from college and they're going on starting their career and he's staying in line with 122 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:48.799 you know, seventeen year old kid who's complaining that his latte wasn't made right 123 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:58.399 and he's still got buddies back in Iraq. He just feels so disconnected from 124 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:03.279 the world, doesn't belong and then the hyper anxiety starts to set in. 125 00:10:05.240 --> 00:10:07.919 They don't know what to do with that, so they start self medicating. 126 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:11.360 The self medicating compounds things, makes things worse. Me more and more self 127 00:10:11.440 --> 00:10:16.559 medicating, they start to isolate. And that's the thing that leads us to 128 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:20.759 some of the very dark statistics of what's going on. But if you just 129 00:10:22.480 --> 00:10:26.679 you just think of an eighteen year old kids being on patrols for a year 130 00:10:26.440 --> 00:10:31.279 in Iraq, and every trash bag on the side of the road may not 131 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:35.559 be a trash bag, It may be an ied or the kid approaching may 132 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:39.159 have something else trapped to them. Every possible thing is a threat not only 133 00:10:39.200 --> 00:10:41.440 to them but to the guy again to the left or to the right. 134 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:50.600 He comes home and he comes out of the front yard and there's a trash 135 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:54.720 bag at his neighbor's yard. Well, his mind has not readjusted and rewired 136 00:10:54.759 --> 00:10:58.559 itself to it's trash day, right, and that's your neighbor's trash. It 137 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:05.480 to your to your family. But they can't go there. That mind just 138 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:11.039 doesn't rewire itself back to You're in a different place at a different time. 139 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:15.360 Wow. So that gives you maybe a little bit of a picture of what 140 00:11:15.519 --> 00:11:18.039 they are dealing with. But again, a lot of it's you know, 141 00:11:18.639 --> 00:11:24.759 lost people, they lost in what they call a wounded heart, moral injury. 142 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:28.440 Yeah, there's a number of factors that go on. Well, and 143 00:11:28.799 --> 00:11:33.039 those of us around don't fully understand that and don't understand the effects and that 144 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:35.960 you can't just say, hey, come on, man, shake it off, 145 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:39.120 let's go. You know, this is something, as you said, 146 00:11:39.200 --> 00:11:43.320 rewired and that's issue, and it leads to a lot of things. And 147 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:50.080 I know homelessness is a major it's very common among disabled or vet well that 148 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:58.000 too, but veterans that have the PTSD struggle that they're gone through. Could 149 00:11:58.039 --> 00:12:01.200 you talk a little bit about some of thisatistics. We'll go a little on 150 00:12:01.360 --> 00:12:05.879 the I'll say on the dark side here for just a moment, because I 151 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:11.600 think understanding what the PDSD foundation is all about and why it's so important, 152 00:12:11.960 --> 00:12:16.679 it helps to just understand this isn't people walking around that have a troubled mind. 153 00:12:18.039 --> 00:12:22.759 It leads to some pretty rough stuff, it does. And one of 154 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:28.799 the statistics that is most often talked about is the suicide statistic and what's going 155 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:33.919 on in the veteran community. There are so many others legal issues, home 156 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:37.279 issues, you know, divorces and all those kinds of things. Those numbers 157 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:43.200 are quite higher in the veteran community than they are in the civilian community, 158 00:12:45.080 --> 00:12:50.879 but particularly on the suicide numbers. So a few years ago the number became 159 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:54.399 fairly well known in America's twenty two and if anybody heard of anything at all, 160 00:12:54.440 --> 00:13:00.399 they'd heard the twenty two veteran of the day committing suicide. Rember was 161 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:05.720 basically a guest by the VA. They have since ratcheted that number down to 162 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:09.200 under seventeen. But at the same time, a study was done by another 163 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:15.080 nonprofit that partnered up with the University of Alabama and Duke University. They did 164 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:24.200 a study of eight states and every single death certificate of those eight states across 165 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:28.960 a five year period. That's a lot of death to study, and what 166 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:31.840 they came up with is if what was true in those eight states was true 167 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:39.799 across the border in all fifty we're losing more like forty four veterans every single 168 00:13:39.879 --> 00:13:43.960 day to their own hands. Now, I'm not in a fight with anybody 169 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:50.120 over what the number is I definitely belie in what we do and this is 170 00:13:50.159 --> 00:13:52.519 what we do all day, every day. It's much closer to the forty 171 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:56.519 four than it is to seventeen. Wow, that is amazing. Our fight 172 00:13:56.639 --> 00:14:01.639 is to say everyone that we can and we got to do everything we can 173 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:07.480 to do it right, and that is really important. I want to visit 174 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:11.679 a little bit about some of the programs that you guys offer. I know 175 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:15.960 we have the Camp Hope and if you want to go a little deeper into 176 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:20.360 that, that's good. But the other things, like you mentioned, I 177 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:26.000 believe you talked about the groups that are like there's people that are like a 178 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:31.639 mentor that comes in with the veterans and just kind of walk us through kind 179 00:14:31.639 --> 00:14:37.799 of the big picture of how does Camp Hope now take this person and try 180 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:43.080 to turn a life around will It is a peer to peer program, so 181 00:14:43.240 --> 00:14:46.360 it's one that who's come to the program turn around, hoping the next vet 182 00:14:46.399 --> 00:14:50.480 come to the program, and that's our mentors. In addition to that, 183 00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:56.720 we do have licensed counselors on our campus and our veterans on our campus. 184 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:07.080 The counselor at least once a week individually and in addition to the period of 185 00:15:07.159 --> 00:15:11.440 peer time and the counseling time. They're in classes throughout the day, and 186 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:18.000 those classes are run from everything from self awareness, emotional regulation, anger management, 187 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:26.360 a wide array of DNA with the coping skills, a holistic approach to 188 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:28.679 how to learn and we do deal with the whole person. Is how we 189 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:33.759 describe that everything. And that's one thing that separates us from, for instance, 190 00:15:33.799 --> 00:15:37.720 the VA. We're not afraid to ask the question which usually you know, 191 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:41.799 most human beings do after a trauma. Where was God? Why did 192 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:45.480 God let this happen? Why are there starving people in Africa? And all 193 00:15:45.519 --> 00:15:48.519 these very natural questions. We don't answer it for them. We're just gonna, 194 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:52.159 we're gonna, we're going to ask this question and we're going to work 195 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:54.879 on this until you come up with your answer. I can see how even 196 00:15:54.960 --> 00:16:02.320 disillusionment with causes and what not can kind of be part of the whole deal. 197 00:16:03.679 --> 00:16:06.360 Well, it's a very complex issue. So here in Houston, for 198 00:16:06.440 --> 00:16:07.679 instance, this last weekend, everybody wants to talk about, you know, 199 00:16:07.919 --> 00:16:12.720 we got to eradicate the stigma with mental health. And we say that on 200 00:16:12.840 --> 00:16:18.399 one hand, and then we do things on the other that say the opposite. 201 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:22.399 So in Houston this past week there was a news story of our sheriff's 202 00:16:22.399 --> 00:16:27.919 department going to address the situation. Individual steps out of the house shooting, 203 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:37.080 and the sheriff's deputies had to kill that individual and they had no choice. 204 00:16:37.120 --> 00:16:40.879 I mean they had no choice. But the very first thing out of the 205 00:16:40.919 --> 00:16:44.639 sheriff's mouth was he might have been a vet and he might have had PTSD. 206 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:49.360 Like, okay, So now everybody who has PTSD, all of a 207 00:16:49.399 --> 00:16:56.639 sudden, yeah, that's what they do. That's just it's not necessarily intentioned. 208 00:16:56.559 --> 00:17:02.679 It's just people's natural response when they hear, oh, veteran PTSD starts 209 00:17:02.679 --> 00:17:06.079 shooting at people. That's what happens when you have PTSD in your veteran. 210 00:17:06.279 --> 00:17:08.599 No, it's not, it's the exact opposite of what happens. Now. 211 00:17:08.680 --> 00:17:12.519 He may be a veteran, he may have PTSD, and he may have 212 00:17:12.599 --> 00:17:18.240 been wearing tennis shoes. None of those things are what causes something like that 213 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:23.039 to happen. Much more likely is probably drug induced. I don't know the 214 00:17:23.240 --> 00:17:26.319 individual, I don't think about the situation. There's been very little set on 215 00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:32.799 it since then, But just saying those words and it being broadcast on every 216 00:17:32.839 --> 00:17:40.039 news television news station in the city. Anyone that's struggling and thinks maybe I 217 00:17:40.119 --> 00:17:44.400 should go check it out. They're going to no way because if that's what 218 00:17:44.519 --> 00:17:48.880 they think it is, I am not going to talk to anybody about this. 219 00:17:48.119 --> 00:17:53.960 That is that is interesting. Yeah, I think it's an interesting Well, 220 00:17:55.039 --> 00:18:00.759 it's an interesting fact that veterans going through PTSD the life most in danger 221 00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:06.119 is their own because they're more much more likely to take their own life than 222 00:18:06.480 --> 00:18:08.680 like you were just talking about the news story and someone speculating about it, 223 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:14.920 and that is that's kind of a I don't know, that kind of hit 224 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:17.599 me a little bit of a surprise. Hadn't thought of it that way. 225 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:22.400 We are going to talk a little bit more. We're gona take a little 226 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:25.880 break here in a minute, but I want to I want to talk to 227 00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:32.200 you about some of the funding. How does funding work for the PTSD Foundation 228 00:18:32.319 --> 00:18:36.359 of America. How would somebody get involved? But you know, how where 229 00:18:36.400 --> 00:18:38.599 does where does your support come from? Because you don't charge a veterance. 230 00:18:38.599 --> 00:18:41.759 I mean, imagine the guy that's already going through this and his family which 231 00:18:41.839 --> 00:18:45.640 is taking the brunt of it too. Uh, And then ask them to 232 00:18:45.680 --> 00:18:48.119 pay for it. So how do we come up with some funds? We 233 00:18:48.200 --> 00:18:51.480 got about a minute and a half and we'll tak okay, sure. And 234 00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:56.920 it's community driven hundred percent uh. And it's everything from uh, you know, 235 00:18:57.079 --> 00:19:03.559 someone going online and buying some stuff from Amazon or Walmart and having it 236 00:19:03.640 --> 00:19:06.000 shipped to us. I mean basic stuff. I tell people all the time, 237 00:19:06.440 --> 00:19:10.720 whatever it takes to run your house inside and out. That includes toilet 238 00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:15.440 paper and light bulbs and batteries and ant killer and fertilizer, whatever takes froun 239 00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:18.920 your house, we need at times about one hundred and twenty. So that 240 00:19:19.079 --> 00:19:22.960 kind of gives you just a basic idea of what's going as far as just 241 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:26.519 the stuff that's needed. We also tell folks we get something from the electric 242 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:33.000 company every month and it is not surprisingly a thank you note, it's a 243 00:19:33.079 --> 00:19:37.359 bill and it's a big bill. So there's a lot of ways to get 244 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:42.039 involved. But there's some folks even in the garden line world. Now some 245 00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:48.200 plant Food does a month long deal every month every year two dollars from every 246 00:19:48.279 --> 00:19:53.400 turf star bag plants for all seasons. They've donated a lot of material for 247 00:19:53.519 --> 00:19:56.440 us for our garden that we have on our campus. Cool. So there's 248 00:19:56.440 --> 00:20:00.240 a lot of different ways to get involved. There's a lot of on here 249 00:20:00.319 --> 00:20:03.000 hours that happen on our campus, so that's cool. Want to I want 250 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:06.640 to talk about that and more a little bit when we come back. You're 251 00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:11.039 listening to garden Line. I'm talking to David Malsby with the PTSD Foundation and 252 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:14.480 Camp Hope. And if you have any questions about that, and you want 253 00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:18.720 to ask David some questions regarding the PTSD and what their work that they do, 254 00:20:18.200 --> 00:20:22.079 phone number is seven one three two one two five eight seven four. 255 00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:27.559 We'll be right back. Welcome back to garden Line. We are visiting this 256 00:20:27.839 --> 00:20:33.640 hour with David Malsby of the PTSD Foundation of America and Camp Hope. We're 257 00:20:33.680 --> 00:20:38.480 talking about all kinds of things related to the issue of PTSD and what the 258 00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:44.640 PTSD Foundation is doing to help our veterans that are going through that. Uh, 259 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:48.400 David, we've got a phone call from Paul and Tomball. We're going 260 00:20:48.440 --> 00:20:52.119 to take that. Hello, Paul, how are you this morning? Doing 261 00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:56.359 good? How are you about yourself well as well? Thank you? That's 262 00:20:56.400 --> 00:21:00.240 good. So I wanted to call and just say, as a veteran myself. 263 00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:07.519 I'm very thankful that we have these organizations like Camp Hope. I suffer 264 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:14.319 from anxiety and depression and to get care at the VA is very difficult. 265 00:21:14.839 --> 00:21:18.880 And there's one thing that people don't I think, realizes you have the medical 266 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:22.799 side at the VA and you have the mental health side, and they don't 267 00:21:23.160 --> 00:21:29.039 work together. So I have chronic pain issues that sometimes it's hard to deal 268 00:21:29.119 --> 00:21:36.039 with, which aggravates these mental health conditions, and the care at the VA 269 00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:41.119 is slow. I mean I've waited months and months and months before for referrals, 270 00:21:41.200 --> 00:21:47.200 actually not before. It's consistently happening. And it's not a money issue 271 00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:49.039 because the VA has tons of money. They get money all the time, 272 00:21:49.119 --> 00:21:52.599 where Camp Hope has to ask for it. And I just want people to 273 00:21:52.759 --> 00:21:57.279 think about this, because we wouldn't need Camp Hope, we wouldn't need all 274 00:21:57.319 --> 00:22:03.160 these other organizations if the VA stood up and did what they were supposed to 275 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:08.119 do. But the VA has continuously failed veterans over and over again, and 276 00:22:08.319 --> 00:22:12.160 unfortunately our government they just keep putting band aids on it. But who do 277 00:22:12.200 --> 00:22:17.359 they put in charge of those band aids? The same VA that keeps failing 278 00:22:17.480 --> 00:22:22.759 us. So I really truly as a veteran, I appreciate gearly what you 279 00:22:22.839 --> 00:22:27.319 are doing for my fellow veterans that I've served with are the ones that are 280 00:22:27.359 --> 00:22:32.039 coming out after I've served. Well, Paul, thank you. I'd like 281 00:22:32.160 --> 00:22:34.400 David to comment on some of that. Thank you very much for those words. 282 00:22:34.640 --> 00:22:38.279 Yeah, and Paul, thank you for calling, and thank you obviously 283 00:22:38.480 --> 00:22:44.079 for you know, all of our veterans. We have a great admiration appreciation 284 00:22:44.279 --> 00:22:48.920 for everyone who takes the oath and serves our country. So we're very, 285 00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:52.839 very grateful. And I hear these stories all the time dealing with the VA, 286 00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:57.240 and you know, I could go on a rent doesn't help. We 287 00:22:57.440 --> 00:23:02.519 have a staff member at Camp Pope that basically their full time job is to 288 00:23:02.680 --> 00:23:07.039 sit on hold with the VA as we are trying to take care of the 289 00:23:07.160 --> 00:23:10.000 veterans who come into our care. So if you take, for instance, 290 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:12.200 you've got a guy coming from Atlanta, Georgia to come into our program. 291 00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:15.400 He's going to live here for up to and maybe even over a year. 292 00:23:17.319 --> 00:23:19.599 All of his information, all of his medical care has to transfer from his 293 00:23:19.799 --> 00:23:25.759 VA to this one. Then you got to see doctors and it is just 294 00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:30.480 a non stop problem. But I will say this, and you're right. 295 00:23:30.559 --> 00:23:33.400 You talked about you know, the VA and its failures, and if they 296 00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:37.799 were doing their job fully, needs for organizations like ours wouldn't exist. But 297 00:23:37.880 --> 00:23:45.359 that's true of any nonprofit in the world. But the bottom line is you 298 00:23:45.559 --> 00:23:49.359 and I, every day, all day can do what needs to be done 299 00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:56.519 more effectively and much more efficiently than the United States government can. And I 300 00:23:56.640 --> 00:24:00.920 love America, you know I'm not, don't get me wrong. The people 301 00:24:02.079 --> 00:24:06.000 can always do it better than the government can, and they can always do 302 00:24:06.079 --> 00:24:10.799 it more efficiently. And so that's why nonprofits have to exist no matter what 303 00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:14.839 the cause. You know, I'm listening to you talk. I'm thinking about 304 00:24:14.839 --> 00:24:21.519 the fact that because you guys do focus on peer support, you do focus 305 00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:26.000 on the one on ones and getting people together. You know, you can't 306 00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:32.680 accomplish that with some major government program. That one on one I use the 307 00:24:32.759 --> 00:24:38.200 term walk alongside somebody to help someone. There's no way that any big program 308 00:24:38.359 --> 00:24:44.640 can just solve that. And it's every veteran is an individual and that individual 309 00:24:44.799 --> 00:24:49.039 needs individual help as well. Absolutely, and that's that's you know, that's 310 00:24:49.039 --> 00:24:52.720 who we are. We can't do it for you, but we have done 311 00:24:52.759 --> 00:24:56.839 it. The guys on our staff that are doing them mentoring, they've all 312 00:24:56.000 --> 00:25:00.240 done it, so their proof that it can be done. When you're sitting 313 00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:03.039 there thinking no, it can't, well you're looking at a guy who's proven 314 00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:06.440 you wrong. It can be done right, and we'll walk that journey with 315 00:25:06.559 --> 00:25:10.319 you, and we'll teach you everything that we've learned, and that includes the 316 00:25:10.440 --> 00:25:12.680 wins and the losses. Well, I think your Camp Hope now, I 317 00:25:12.759 --> 00:25:18.279 believe it served almost two thousand veterans since it was started. When we look 318 00:25:18.359 --> 00:25:22.680 at the number of people that you guys serve on a one to one basis 319 00:25:22.839 --> 00:25:30.119 and the warrior groups, the numbers are really impressive. But at the same 320 00:25:30.200 --> 00:25:36.960 time, I think about how many more are out there that could be benefited. 321 00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:41.079 Yeah, you know, I tell people this occasionally. It's speaking, 322 00:25:41.359 --> 00:25:45.440 particularly here in the Houston area. There's a lot going on in the veteran 323 00:25:45.519 --> 00:25:51.599 community that's troublesome. The one thing here in the Houston area particularly that physically 324 00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:57.680 literally makes me ill is when I hear about a Houston area veteran becoming a 325 00:25:57.759 --> 00:26:04.000 statistic and then finding out they had never heard of Camp Hope, Like, 326 00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:08.880 how in the world, How in the world is someone in the shadow of 327 00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:15.319 Camp Hope being lost to suicide and never having heard about us. So that's 328 00:26:15.400 --> 00:26:18.640 one reason why I'm grateful for the opportunity here today. There's a mother, 329 00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:22.759 there's someone going to church this morning. They're on their way and they're listening 330 00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:26.559 to the show and there's going to be someone three seats down from them, 331 00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:33.559 and you know, their son's been to war and they're struggling. Tell them 332 00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:36.440 you heard about Camp Hope, and we may or may not be able to 333 00:26:36.480 --> 00:26:38.720 help him, but if we can't, we'll connect them with somebody who can, 334 00:26:40.440 --> 00:26:42.160 right And you know, having that Hope in the name, it's just 335 00:26:42.319 --> 00:26:48.440 so significant because when we lose Hope, and you described it earlier, the 336 00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:53.599 kid came back from fighting and the things he goes through, when your mind 337 00:26:53.720 --> 00:26:57.240 goes from that thing of everything's okay, I'm in charge here, I can 338 00:26:57.359 --> 00:27:03.440 do this to this is a dead end street that that's the street that takes 339 00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:07.559 someone to a point of suicide and just destroys all the hope that they would 340 00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:15.160 have. I really like the the fact that you guys do the one on 341 00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:18.359 one and when we come back, maybe you could talk a little bit about 342 00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:23.240 the transition team process, any outreach groups, support groups and things like that 343 00:27:23.839 --> 00:27:27.799 that are all part of that actually touching the person with another person love to 344 00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:30.920 We're going to take a break right now. Our phone number is seven one 345 00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:34.720 three two one two fifty eight seventy four. We got one more segment here 346 00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:38.599 with David, and if you would like to give us a call about this 347 00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:45.799 issue we're talking about, feel free to do so. Welcome back to Garden 348 00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:48.200 Line. Glad to have you today. We are in our last segment here 349 00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:55.480 with David Malsby of the PTSD Foundation of America and Camp Hope. And David, 350 00:27:55.519 --> 00:27:59.359 I would like you to talk a little bit about some of that person 351 00:27:59.480 --> 00:28:04.240 to person and programs and approaches that you guys take to help people in this 352 00:28:04.359 --> 00:28:11.759 situation. Sure, the processes includes a number of people, So for instance, 353 00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:15.839 I'll just walk you through one individual kind of helps people understand it. 354 00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:23.920 A marine veteran facing multiple felony counts stood before the judge for the sixteenth time 355 00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:29.440 and he finally asked the judge, is there anything you can do to help 356 00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:33.559 me? And they found out about Camp Hope. The judge checked us out. 357 00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:37.799 We set up the system with them as we have with other court systems. 358 00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:44.200 Our transition team or our outreach team work with a judge. Then we 359 00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:47.680 have the transition team to get them in handles, flights and all the just 360 00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:52.240 the logistics of everything you need to move here for a year, come into 361 00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:55.079 the program. Then there's the peer to peers, so you're signed a veteran, 362 00:28:55.319 --> 00:29:00.880 a mentor. You go through this program classes, your rounded by nothing 363 00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:06.240 but fellow combat vets, so everybody shared experiences completing the program. Then you 364 00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:08.519 go into the transition program and that can be you know, you're going to 365 00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:11.480 go to school and earverybuddy off the g I feel you're going to start a 366 00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:15.839 new career. You know, what are you going to do? This individual 367 00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:19.039 particularly had had a job waiting for him. His boss was gracious enough that 368 00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:23.720 he let him come back to his construction job. Well he went back. 369 00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:30.640 Now here's the cool thing. His wife had left ing in that whole process. 370 00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:33.720 But when he went back, she dumped the kids off with him. 371 00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:40.640 So he not only went home a healthier man and back to a job, 372 00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:47.680 he went to raising his three children. And that's to me is like the 373 00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:51.880 ultimate. Like everybody wants to be a part of saving a life, which 374 00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:52.680 you know if you could say, at the end of the day, you've 375 00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:56.240 been a part of that, that's about as good as a day can get. 376 00:29:56.440 --> 00:30:00.279 Yeah. Sure, but what if you're not just saving him life, 377 00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:06.839 but you're putting a father back into their home a healthy father, And that's 378 00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:11.480 perfect, that's amazing and it's huge. And we think about the suffering of 379 00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:17.279 the PTSD individual and how to help them. But yeah, you're talking about 380 00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:22.799 a generation to come that's affected by this. You're talking about a spouse that 381 00:30:22.839 --> 00:30:27.240 the stress must be unbelievable on them as well, Which to that point, 382 00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:30.640 I haven't brought this out yet, and I should have. But we not 383 00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:34.119 only run groups for our veterans, we also run groups for their family members 384 00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:37.680 and friends. So it can be really anybody that loves that veteran. It 385 00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:40.799 can be a friend, it can be a spouse, can be a parent, 386 00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:42.279 it can be a sibling, aunt, uncle, whoever is involved in 387 00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:47.759 that veteran's life. To help them understand what happened to your loved one, 388 00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:51.000 and then how do you fully support them when they come home, rather than 389 00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:56.640 just enabling, because the enabling parent can sometimes be the greatest detriment imaginable. 390 00:30:56.839 --> 00:31:00.640 Right, So that's a big part of what we do. Is that is 391 00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:04.079 amazing. Your folks are really super well trained. I know the suicide prevention 392 00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:11.799 training that you're I think ninety five percent of your employees go through. They 393 00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:18.720 call it what's safe Talk, But that I would think that having the training 394 00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:23.400 to know how to talk to someone who is in a PTSD suffering from a 395 00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:30.640 PTSD situation, that is that's really valuable because I don't know that what I 396 00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:36.319 would say would be helpful, right, And it causes a lot of people 397 00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:37.640 not to say thing because they're afraid they're going to say the wrong thing. 398 00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:41.319 Yes, like, man, just just let them know you care. If 399 00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:45.680 you just let them know you care, you can say something that maybe isn't 400 00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:48.319 the best way to say it. But if they know you care, you're 401 00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:52.519 good. But there's two couple of things about that. One is that again 402 00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:55.799 that peer to peer. So when they we have a crisis line, so 403 00:31:55.920 --> 00:31:57.279 it can be a veteran that calls in. It could be a family member 404 00:31:57.319 --> 00:32:00.920 or a friend that calls in about a veteran in crisis. A combat vet 405 00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:05.680 answered the phone, so there's that aspect of it. They have the shared 406 00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:08.200 experiences, so he knows exactly where that veterans is. He knows exactly where 407 00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:10.400 his mindset is, and he knows how to talk to him in that. 408 00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:16.000 But in addition to the shared experience, he has been trained in how to 409 00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:23.680 de escalate situations, the safe talk, the assist suicide prevention training. They've 410 00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:29.319 received training in addition to what they go through at Camp Hope, so they 411 00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:32.240 know how to and I can over symphasize that for a veteran because if they 412 00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:37.039 like, I'm gonna call the VA and someone's just going to start reading answers 413 00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:39.799 off a script. Yeah, not with us. You're talking to someone who's 414 00:32:39.799 --> 00:32:44.759 been to Afghanistan or someone who's been to Vietnam. But they've been to war 415 00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:49.039 and then they've been to Camp Hope and then they've received the training and they're 416 00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:52.920 here to help you well and they can't. Well. It's well named Camp 417 00:32:52.000 --> 00:33:00.519 Hope because while we talk about the spiral downward from coming back from active service, 418 00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:07.160 the hope of the way out of that is something that it's just so 419 00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:09.319 encouraged. I mean, think about your own self and in a lot of 420 00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:13.880 ways, you've been in spots where you know, you look and it's like, 421 00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:16.480 is there even a future. I mean, this is this is it's 422 00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:21.880 all messed up, you know, and to have the hope that there can 423 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:25.440 be and the hope that yes I can I don't have to live here and 424 00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:29.000 I don't have to keep going down to this. There's hope for that. 425 00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:32.880 That is gosh, that is so critical. And you guys are supported by 426 00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:37.400 donations and things. What are some ways that people can give and be part 427 00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:43.839 of supporting such a great program. Well, there's as many wages as you 428 00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:49.039 can possibly imagine. It starts from if you're on social media, just like 429 00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:53.200 Facebook or Twitter or Instagram, just following us, re sharing the stories, 430 00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:59.720 retweeting them. Many many times someone will learn about us for the first time 431 00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:02.839 through social media posts. So that costs you absolutely nothing second to hit the 432 00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:07.679 you know, retweet button, whatever it happens to be. Other ways volunteering, 433 00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:14.199 We have a ton of volunteer opportunities, especially at Christmas time. Okay, 434 00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:16.639 there are a lot of things going on at Camp Hope during Christmas, 435 00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:22.280 so we always need volunteers and all that information is available and how you can 436 00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:25.639 be a part of that at our website which is PTSD USA dot org. 437 00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:31.519 And of course, you know again, some some folks can't necessarily write the 438 00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:36.880 check, but they can get people at their their civic club to have us 439 00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:38.440 come and speak, and or they can have us come and speak at their 440 00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:44.039 church, or their company can do a bake sale or a five K you 441 00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:47.119 know what. They do a lot of events for us, raising funds for 442 00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:51.480 us. So that's a big part of our support system right there. Well. 443 00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:55.840 And and with you guys being a faith based organization, I suppose that 444 00:34:57.320 --> 00:35:00.679 any kind of a church, or doesn't to be a religious but any kind 445 00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:05.159 of a church could connect you with you guys, and that be part of 446 00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:08.079 their reaching out into the community. Absolutely, and it doesn't have to be 447 00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:12.079 something big. And we have a lot of people that just sign up twenty 448 00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:15.000 dollars a month and just hits the credit card every single month and that's how 449 00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:19.480 they give. Is that's good, you know, David. When you talked 450 00:35:19.480 --> 00:35:25.519 about your own story from being a pastor to basically finding a way to just 451 00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:30.199 get down in the down and dirty with people that have almost one foot in 452 00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:34.679 the grave in terms of where their life is heading, it reminds me of 453 00:35:35.079 --> 00:35:37.840 a sign that used to be on the wall of a Christian counselor that I 454 00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:44.239 knew a real good fellow and he didn't want all the fluffy you know, 455 00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:45.519 tell me your problems, I'll give you a quick answer. I mean, 456 00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:51.119 he was so in to getting in the down and dirty and helping people walking 457 00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:53.320 alongside him. And his science said this, It said, some people want 458 00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:59.000 to live within the sound of chapel bells. I'd rather run a rescue shop 459 00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:02.400 within a foot of hell. Have you heard that one? I have? 460 00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:07.480 And that's what I think about when I when I heard your story and see 461 00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:13.159 this going on. You guys, you guys have a rescue shop that is 462 00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:17.079 well worth contributing to being a part of. And I would encourage everybody listening. 463 00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:23.000 P t S d USA dot org. P t S d USA dot 464 00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:28.000 org find out more about it, find out ways that you can give and 465 00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:31.320 just make that a part of you know. It's so cool when we think 466 00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:35.039 about veteran issues and I think, well, what can I do? You 467 00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:37.239 know what, I don't know any any veterans that are going through this. 468 00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:43.079 Well now you do. Now you know how you can help. You can 469 00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:46.920 help individual veterans that are here in the Greater Houston area. David, thank 470 00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:50.639 you so much for coming in. This has been really enlightening for me. 471 00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:52.559 Thank you very much. I don't think we ever give out that trauma line, 472 00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:58.079 but it's eight seven seven seven one seven seventy eight seventy three eight seven 473 00:36:58.199 --> 00:37:01.760 seven seven one seven seventy eight seventy three seventy eight seventy and thank you very 474 00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:06.360 much. Man, We're honored. Okay, eight one seven. I'm trying 475 00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:12.159 to write it at eighty seven seven seven one seven PTSD or seventy eight seventy 476 00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:15.280 three. Okay, Well, it's been great to have you on. We're 477 00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:19.159 going to take a little break here. When we come back from breaks, 478 00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:22.559 we'll be back to your calls about gardening our phone number seven one three two 479 00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:28.119 one two fifty eight seventy four. And when we come back, we'll get 480 00:37:28.199 --> 00:37:30.440 to the calls right away. I've got a few other things I want to 481 00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:37.079 add about gardening, appropriate comments for the seasons and tips and things like that. 482 00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:39.599 Remember that if you would like, you can go to my website and 483 00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:45.199 download the free lawn Care Guide and the lawn Pest Disease and we'd management guide 484 00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:51.360 there at skip our gardeningwith Skip dot com Gardening with Skip dot Com, So 485 00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:53.960 check those out, Maybe turn break here would be a good time to check 486 00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:58.960 it out. They're free to print up and just hang on to so when 487 00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:06.480 you go shopping for fur gliser, you know exactly what's happening. Mm hmm