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last hour beteen nine and ten, Thank you very much for that. I'm
going to be speaking with David Malsby of the PTSD Foundation and Camp Hope.
David, welcome, Thank you sir. Good to have you here. It's
always great to be here. Appreciate the opportunity very much. All Right,
that's good. Well, boy, there's a lot to talk about today,
and I'm telling you I have I've seen a lot of materials that you guys
provide from PTSD Foundation, and uh, it almost wears you out looking at
all the accomplishments and the history and everything. But why don't we just start
off? Tell me how did you get interested in this? What made you,
you know, throw your life into this particular program. You know,
my background is pastoring, and I had gotten to a point in my just
in my life's journey, I wanted to kind of get my hands a little
dirtier than what was going on in church. And I came across, through
a friend, an opportunity to be a part of what was happening at this
organization which was actually started as another with another name and to raise money for
a national organization. And then he wanted to switch it over and become what
he called boots on the ground. Okay, So when I heard what was
going on in the veteran community, time two thousand and nine stats were one
of every three out homeless person in Houston was a military vet, So like,
why are there so many homeless vets? And they weren't all Vietnam beites.
Those guys were already coming home from Iraq in Afghanistan, We're already finding
themselves homeless. So that combined with some of the suicide statistics that just became
quite obvious. This is a great opportunity to try to make a big difference.
Well, we will get into those statistics here in a bit. I
think it's important because it's eye opening. You know, as I was thinking
about the issue, it's when you hear the real story of what's going on
with vets, it just it's a load. It's a weight to think about
what it must be, what they're going through and what they're doing, and
then you look at the stats that's taking their own lives or things like that,
and it's just a it's a heavy. But we want to understand the
full extent of the problem because that helps us more and more appreciate what can
be done and what is being done. So i'd like you to start off
if you would tell me a little bit about the PTSD Foundation of America and
Camp Hope. In two thousand and nine, we kind of hit the streets
in Houston trying to help some veterans deal with post traumatic stress. It was
really just helping one individual out of time, and then when we were able
to start helping a few, we started forming our groups. And that's really
our DNA is the peer to peer and support groups. So we were running
three different groups across Houston. Then in twenty twelve we open Camp Hope and
that's the residential portion of what we do, and today we bring in veterans
from all branches of the military all across the country. We've got about nearly
one hundred and twenty veterans living on our campus right now and they're there anywhere
from six to nine months, sometimes up to and over a year, just
depending on multiple factors that are going on in their life. But it's a
very intense program. It's all at no charge to the veteran of their families.
That's amazing. We live in the greatest community in the world. Folks
who understand takes more than a bumper sticker to support the troops. That's true,
and that's why we're able to do what we do well, that is
that is good the camp hope and I think you have folks that come through
there are about six to twelve months they spend at least, yes, so
program itself is the six to eight months, six to nine months, the
transition parts where it can get a little longer, some of the guys dealing
with multiple factors, sometimes felonies or other issues that are going on in their
life. Trying to get you know, what's your go forward? How can
you get a job and a career that can support you your family if your
family's still intact right. But that's a big part of what we do is
how do you go forward from this? Well, tell us a little bit
about how a veteran might be involved with the program and what that might look
like. I know you encounter folks that you guys go out and find out
about and you hunt them down to find them to begin to bring that hope.
But what are some ways that the veterans end up with the PTSD Foundation.
Well, I kind of call us kind of the last stop for many
guys. They've burned every bridge by the time they get to us. In
the most part, they find out about us because a family member or a
friend reaches out to them someone they served with came through the program and encourages
them to check us out. But we also get guys from you know,
the psychle ward at the VA. We get guys from veterans' courts all across
the country, so they come to us from legal systems. It's it's a
little bit of everything. But like anything else, you know, word of
mouth is always the number one way they hear about us, but typically you
know, they're in a bad spot where they wouldn't be willing to come to
Camp Hope. Yeah. Well, we got about a minute left where we're
going to take a break here and we will come back. I gouts so
many questions, where do we begin for a long time. That's right,
that's right, I am spoke. I am speaking today with David Malsby of
the PTSD Foundation of America and Camp Hope, and we're talking about veterans,
and when we come back, we're going to talk about some of the issues
that veterans deal with and how Camp Hope addresses those issues because they have a
number of really outstanding programs. Uh. And so that's will would be when
we get back here. In just a minute. Our phone number if you'd
like to call and talk to David about something related to PTSD or Camp Hope
or or whatever, our phone number is seven one three two one two five
eight seven four seven one three two one two fifty eight seventy four. Welcome
back to Garden Line. We're glad you're listening this hour. We are visiting
with David Malsby. David is with the PTSD Foundation of America and of course
the Camp Hope Project. David, could can you help us understand a little
bit what is PTSD? I mean, I know what the words post traumatic
stress disorder, but that's a little vague for a lot of folks. What
does that mean? What does that look like? We describe it as a
natural response to a very unnatural trauma slash situation. But we deal with combat
related specifically. Anybody can have PTSD that's experienced trauma, and if you've lived
for a minute, you've experienced trauma. But in our world with combat related
you take an eighteen year old kid that grew up in small town Texas and
all he knows is Friday night football and mom or grandma dragging to church on
Sunday and kind of you know, a fairly sheltered life at least, sees
what happens with nine to eleven, decides he wants to sign up and go
get some revenge. It goes to another part of the world, sees a
part of the world that has zero zer value for life, completely different you
know world outlook than what we have here, Sees what he sees has to
do what he does. Loses so much while he's there. And it's not
just those who were to his left or to his right, but just the
sense of value, the sense of right and wrong, sense of morals,
and just because of the situation. Yes, then they come home. Now
that you've got a twenty three year old kid that's been to war and is
greatly altered in every aspect of his life, he can't go back to being
who he was. Yeah, so he tries to go to school and then
you know, all the guys he went to high school with of all graduated
from college and they're going on starting their career and he's staying in line with
you know, seventeen year old kid who's complaining that his latte wasn't made right
and he's still got buddies back in Iraq. He just feels so disconnected from
the world, doesn't belong and then the hyper anxiety starts to set in.
They don't know what to do with that, so they start self medicating.
The self medicating compounds things, makes things worse. Me more and more self
medicating, they start to isolate. And that's the thing that leads us to
some of the very dark statistics of what's going on. But if you just
you just think of an eighteen year old kids being on patrols for a year
in Iraq, and every trash bag on the side of the road may not
be a trash bag, It may be an ied or the kid approaching may
have something else trapped to them. Every possible thing is a threat not only
to them but to the guy again to the left or to the right.
He comes home and he comes out of the front yard and there's a trash
bag at his neighbor's yard. Well, his mind has not readjusted and rewired
itself to it's trash day, right, and that's your neighbor's trash. It
to your to your family. But they can't go there. That mind just
doesn't rewire itself back to You're in a different place at a different time.
Wow. So that gives you maybe a little bit of a picture of what
they are dealing with. But again, a lot of it's you know,
lost people, they lost in what they call a wounded heart, moral injury.
Yeah, there's a number of factors that go on. Well, and
those of us around don't fully understand that and don't understand the effects and that
you can't just say, hey, come on, man, shake it off,
let's go. You know, this is something, as you said,
rewired and that's issue, and it leads to a lot of things. And
I know homelessness is a major it's very common among disabled or vet well that
too, but veterans that have the PTSD struggle that they're gone through. Could
you talk a little bit about some of thisatistics. We'll go a little on
the I'll say on the dark side here for just a moment, because I
think understanding what the PDSD foundation is all about and why it's so important,
it helps to just understand this isn't people walking around that have a troubled mind.
It leads to some pretty rough stuff, it does. And one of
the statistics that is most often talked about is the suicide statistic and what's going
on in the veteran community. There are so many others legal issues, home
issues, you know, divorces and all those kinds of things. Those numbers
are quite higher in the veteran community than they are in the civilian community,
but particularly on the suicide numbers. So a few years ago the number became
fairly well known in America's twenty two and if anybody heard of anything at all,
they'd heard the twenty two veteran of the day committing suicide. Rember was
basically a guest by the VA. They have since ratcheted that number down to
under seventeen. But at the same time, a study was done by another
nonprofit that partnered up with the University of Alabama and Duke University. They did
a study of eight states and every single death certificate of those eight states across
a five year period. That's a lot of death to study, and what
they came up with is if what was true in those eight states was true
across the border in all fifty we're losing more like forty four veterans every single
day to their own hands. Now, I'm not in a fight with anybody
over what the number is I definitely belie in what we do and this is
what we do all day, every day. It's much closer to the forty
four than it is to seventeen. Wow, that is amazing. Our fight
is to say everyone that we can and we got to do everything we can
to do it right, and that is really important. I want to visit
a little bit about some of the programs that you guys offer. I know
we have the Camp Hope and if you want to go a little deeper into
that, that's good. But the other things, like you mentioned, I
believe you talked about the groups that are like there's people that are like a
mentor that comes in with the veterans and just kind of walk us through kind
of the big picture of how does Camp Hope now take this person and try
to turn a life around will It is a peer to peer program, so
it's one that who's come to the program turn around, hoping the next vet
come to the program, and that's our mentors. In addition to that,
we do have licensed counselors on our campus and our veterans on our campus.
The counselor at least once a week individually and in addition to the period of
peer time and the counseling time. They're in classes throughout the day, and
those classes are run from everything from self awareness, emotional regulation, anger management,
a wide array of DNA with the coping skills, a holistic approach to
how to learn and we do deal with the whole person. Is how we
describe that everything. And that's one thing that separates us from, for instance,
the VA. We're not afraid to ask the question which usually you know,
most human beings do after a trauma. Where was God? Why did
God let this happen? Why are there starving people in Africa? And all
these very natural questions. We don't answer it for them. We're just gonna,
we're gonna, we're going to ask this question and we're going to work
on this until you come up with your answer. I can see how even
disillusionment with causes and what not can kind of be part of the whole deal.
Well, it's a very complex issue. So here in Houston, for
instance, this last weekend, everybody wants to talk about, you know,
we got to eradicate the stigma with mental health. And we say that on
one hand, and then we do things on the other that say the opposite.
So in Houston this past week there was a news story of our sheriff's
department going to address the situation. Individual steps out of the house shooting,
and the sheriff's deputies had to kill that individual and they had no choice.
I mean they had no choice. But the very first thing out of the
sheriff's mouth was he might have been a vet and he might have had PTSD.
Like, okay, So now everybody who has PTSD, all of a
sudden, yeah, that's what they do. That's just it's not necessarily intentioned.
It's just people's natural response when they hear, oh, veteran PTSD starts
shooting at people. That's what happens when you have PTSD in your veteran.
No, it's not, it's the exact opposite of what happens. Now.
He may be a veteran, he may have PTSD, and he may have
been wearing tennis shoes. None of those things are what causes something like that
to happen. Much more likely is probably drug induced. I don't know the
individual, I don't think about the situation. There's been very little set on
it since then, But just saying those words and it being broadcast on every
news television news station in the city. Anyone that's struggling and thinks maybe I
should go check it out. They're going to no way because if that's what
they think it is, I am not going to talk to anybody about this.
That is that is interesting. Yeah, I think it's an interesting Well,
it's an interesting fact that veterans going through PTSD the life most in danger
is their own because they're more much more likely to take their own life than
like you were just talking about the news story and someone speculating about it,
and that is that's kind of a I don't know, that kind of hit
me a little bit of a surprise. Hadn't thought of it that way.
We are going to talk a little bit more. We're gona take a little
break here in a minute, but I want to I want to talk to
you about some of the funding. How does funding work for the PTSD Foundation
of America. How would somebody get involved? But you know, how where
does where does your support come from? Because you don't charge a veterance.
I mean, imagine the guy that's already going through this and his family which
is taking the brunt of it too. Uh, And then ask them to
pay for it. So how do we come up with some funds? We
got about a minute and a half and we'll tak okay, sure. And
it's community driven hundred percent uh. And it's everything from uh, you know,
someone going online and buying some stuff from Amazon or Walmart and having it
shipped to us. I mean basic stuff. I tell people all the time,
whatever it takes to run your house inside and out. That includes toilet
paper and light bulbs and batteries and ant killer and fertilizer, whatever takes froun
your house, we need at times about one hundred and twenty. So that
kind of gives you just a basic idea of what's going as far as just
the stuff that's needed. We also tell folks we get something from the electric
company every month and it is not surprisingly a thank you note, it's a
bill and it's a big bill. So there's a lot of ways to get
involved. But there's some folks even in the garden line world. Now some
plant Food does a month long deal every month every year two dollars from every
turf star bag plants for all seasons. They've donated a lot of material for
us for our garden that we have on our campus. Cool. So there's
a lot of different ways to get involved. There's a lot of on here
hours that happen on our campus, so that's cool. Want to I want
to talk about that and more a little bit when we come back. You're
listening to garden Line. I'm talking to David Malsby with the PTSD Foundation and
Camp Hope. And if you have any questions about that, and you want
to ask David some questions regarding the PTSD and what their work that they do,
phone number is seven one three two one two five eight seven four.
We'll be right back. Welcome back to garden Line. We are visiting this
hour with David Malsby of the PTSD Foundation of America and Camp Hope. We're
talking about all kinds of things related to the issue of PTSD and what the
PTSD Foundation is doing to help our veterans that are going through that. Uh,
David, we've got a phone call from Paul and Tomball. We're going
to take that. Hello, Paul, how are you this morning? Doing
good? How are you about yourself well as well? Thank you? That's
good. So I wanted to call and just say, as a veteran myself.
I'm very thankful that we have these organizations like Camp Hope. I suffer
from anxiety and depression and to get care at the VA is very difficult.
And there's one thing that people don't I think, realizes you have the medical
side at the VA and you have the mental health side, and they don't
work together. So I have chronic pain issues that sometimes it's hard to deal
with, which aggravates these mental health conditions, and the care at the VA
is slow. I mean I've waited months and months and months before for referrals,
actually not before. It's consistently happening. And it's not a money issue
because the VA has tons of money. They get money all the time,
where Camp Hope has to ask for it. And I just want people to
think about this, because we wouldn't need Camp Hope, we wouldn't need all
these other organizations if the VA stood up and did what they were supposed to
do. But the VA has continuously failed veterans over and over again, and
unfortunately our government they just keep putting band aids on it. But who do
they put in charge of those band aids? The same VA that keeps failing
us. So I really truly as a veteran, I appreciate gearly what you
are doing for my fellow veterans that I've served with are the ones that are
coming out after I've served. Well, Paul, thank you. I'd like
David to comment on some of that. Thank you very much for those words.
Yeah, and Paul, thank you for calling, and thank you obviously
for you know, all of our veterans. We have a great admiration appreciation
for everyone who takes the oath and serves our country. So we're very,
very grateful. And I hear these stories all the time dealing with the VA,
and you know, I could go on a rent doesn't help. We
have a staff member at Camp Pope that basically their full time job is to
sit on hold with the VA as we are trying to take care of the
veterans who come into our care. So if you take, for instance,
you've got a guy coming from Atlanta, Georgia to come into our program.
He's going to live here for up to and maybe even over a year.
All of his information, all of his medical care has to transfer from his
VA to this one. Then you got to see doctors and it is just
a non stop problem. But I will say this, and you're right.
You talked about you know, the VA and its failures, and if they
were doing their job fully, needs for organizations like ours wouldn't exist. But
that's true of any nonprofit in the world. But the bottom line is you
and I, every day, all day can do what needs to be done
more effectively and much more efficiently than the United States government can. And I
love America, you know I'm not, don't get me wrong. The people
can always do it better than the government can, and they can always do
it more efficiently. And so that's why nonprofits have to exist no matter what
the cause. You know, I'm listening to you talk. I'm thinking about
the fact that because you guys do focus on peer support, you do focus
on the one on ones and getting people together. You know, you can't
accomplish that with some major government program. That one on one I use the
term walk alongside somebody to help someone. There's no way that any big program
can just solve that. And it's every veteran is an individual and that individual
needs individual help as well. Absolutely, and that's that's you know, that's
who we are. We can't do it for you, but we have done
it. The guys on our staff that are doing them mentoring, they've all
done it, so their proof that it can be done. When you're sitting
there thinking no, it can't, well you're looking at a guy who's proven
you wrong. It can be done right, and we'll walk that journey with
you, and we'll teach you everything that we've learned, and that includes the
wins and the losses. Well, I think your Camp Hope now, I
believe it served almost two thousand veterans since it was started. When we look
at the number of people that you guys serve on a one to one basis
and the warrior groups, the numbers are really impressive. But at the same
time, I think about how many more are out there that could be benefited.
Yeah, you know, I tell people this occasionally. It's speaking,
particularly here in the Houston area. There's a lot going on in the veteran
community that's troublesome. The one thing here in the Houston area particularly that physically
literally makes me ill is when I hear about a Houston area veteran becoming a
statistic and then finding out they had never heard of Camp Hope, Like,
how in the world, How in the world is someone in the shadow of
Camp Hope being lost to suicide and never having heard about us. So that's
one reason why I'm grateful for the opportunity here today. There's a mother,
there's someone going to church this morning. They're on their way and they're listening
to the show and there's going to be someone three seats down from them,
and you know, their son's been to war and they're struggling. Tell them
you heard about Camp Hope, and we may or may not be able to
help him, but if we can't, we'll connect them with somebody who can,
right And you know, having that Hope in the name, it's just
so significant because when we lose Hope, and you described it earlier, the
kid came back from fighting and the things he goes through, when your mind
goes from that thing of everything's okay, I'm in charge here, I can
do this to this is a dead end street that that's the street that takes
someone to a point of suicide and just destroys all the hope that they would
have. I really like the the fact that you guys do the one on
one and when we come back, maybe you could talk a little bit about
the transition team process, any outreach groups, support groups and things like that
that are all part of that actually touching the person with another person love to
We're going to take a break right now. Our phone number is seven one
three two one two fifty eight seventy four. We got one more segment here
with David, and if you would like to give us a call about this
issue we're talking about, feel free to do so. Welcome back to Garden
Line. Glad to have you today. We are in our last segment here
with David Malsby of the PTSD Foundation of America and Camp Hope. And David,
I would like you to talk a little bit about some of that person
to person and programs and approaches that you guys take to help people in this
situation. Sure, the processes includes a number of people, So for instance,
I'll just walk you through one individual kind of helps people understand it.
A marine veteran facing multiple felony counts stood before the judge for the sixteenth time
and he finally asked the judge, is there anything you can do to help
me? And they found out about Camp Hope. The judge checked us out.
We set up the system with them as we have with other court systems.
Our transition team or our outreach team work with a judge. Then we
have the transition team to get them in handles, flights and all the just
the logistics of everything you need to move here for a year, come into
the program. Then there's the peer to peers, so you're signed a veteran,
a mentor. You go through this program classes, your rounded by nothing
but fellow combat vets, so everybody shared experiences completing the program. Then you
go into the transition program and that can be you know, you're going to
go to school and earverybuddy off the g I feel you're going to start a
new career. You know, what are you going to do? This individual
particularly had had a job waiting for him. His boss was gracious enough that
he let him come back to his construction job. Well he went back.
Now here's the cool thing. His wife had left ing in that whole process.
But when he went back, she dumped the kids off with him.
So he not only went home a healthier man and back to a job,
he went to raising his three children. And that's to me is like the
ultimate. Like everybody wants to be a part of saving a life, which
you know if you could say, at the end of the day, you've
been a part of that, that's about as good as a day can get.
Yeah. Sure, but what if you're not just saving him life,
but you're putting a father back into their home a healthy father, And that's
perfect, that's amazing and it's huge. And we think about the suffering of
the PTSD individual and how to help them. But yeah, you're talking about
a generation to come that's affected by this. You're talking about a spouse that
the stress must be unbelievable on them as well, Which to that point,
I haven't brought this out yet, and I should have. But we not
only run groups for our veterans, we also run groups for their family members
and friends. So it can be really anybody that loves that veteran. It
can be a friend, it can be a spouse, can be a parent,
it can be a sibling, aunt, uncle, whoever is involved in
that veteran's life. To help them understand what happened to your loved one,
and then how do you fully support them when they come home, rather than
just enabling, because the enabling parent can sometimes be the greatest detriment imaginable.
Right, So that's a big part of what we do. Is that is
amazing. Your folks are really super well trained. I know the suicide prevention
training that you're I think ninety five percent of your employees go through. They
call it what's safe Talk, But that I would think that having the training
to know how to talk to someone who is in a PTSD suffering from a
PTSD situation, that is that's really valuable because I don't know that what I
would say would be helpful, right, And it causes a lot of people
not to say thing because they're afraid they're going to say the wrong thing.
Yes, like, man, just just let them know you care. If
you just let them know you care, you can say something that maybe isn't
the best way to say it. But if they know you care, you're
good. But there's two couple of things about that. One is that again
that peer to peer. So when they we have a crisis line, so
it can be a veteran that calls in. It could be a family member
or a friend that calls in about a veteran in crisis. A combat vet
answered the phone, so there's that aspect of it. They have the shared
experiences, so he knows exactly where that veterans is. He knows exactly where
his mindset is, and he knows how to talk to him in that.
But in addition to the shared experience, he has been trained in how to
de escalate situations, the safe talk, the assist suicide prevention training. They've
received training in addition to what they go through at Camp Hope, so they
know how to and I can over symphasize that for a veteran because if they
like, I'm gonna call the VA and someone's just going to start reading answers
off a script. Yeah, not with us. You're talking to someone who's
been to Afghanistan or someone who's been to Vietnam. But they've been to war
and then they've been to Camp Hope and then they've received the training and they're
here to help you well and they can't. Well. It's well named Camp
Hope because while we talk about the spiral downward from coming back from active service,
the hope of the way out of that is something that it's just so
encouraged. I mean, think about your own self and in a lot of
ways, you've been in spots where you know, you look and it's like,
is there even a future. I mean, this is this is it's
all messed up, you know, and to have the hope that there can
be and the hope that yes I can I don't have to live here and
I don't have to keep going down to this. There's hope for that.
That is gosh, that is so critical. And you guys are supported by
donations and things. What are some ways that people can give and be part
of supporting such a great program. Well, there's as many wages as you
can possibly imagine. It starts from if you're on social media, just like
Facebook or Twitter or Instagram, just following us, re sharing the stories,
retweeting them. Many many times someone will learn about us for the first time
through social media posts. So that costs you absolutely nothing second to hit the
you know, retweet button, whatever it happens to be. Other ways volunteering,
We have a ton of volunteer opportunities, especially at Christmas time. Okay,
there are a lot of things going on at Camp Hope during Christmas,
so we always need volunteers and all that information is available and how you can
be a part of that at our website which is PTSD USA dot org.
And of course, you know again, some some folks can't necessarily write the
check, but they can get people at their their civic club to have us
come and speak, and or they can have us come and speak at their
church, or their company can do a bake sale or a five K you
know what. They do a lot of events for us, raising funds for
us. So that's a big part of our support system right there. Well.
And and with you guys being a faith based organization, I suppose that
any kind of a church, or doesn't to be a religious but any kind
of a church could connect you with you guys, and that be part of
their reaching out into the community. Absolutely, and it doesn't have to be
something big. And we have a lot of people that just sign up twenty
dollars a month and just hits the credit card every single month and that's how
they give. Is that's good, you know, David. When you talked
about your own story from being a pastor to basically finding a way to just
get down in the down and dirty with people that have almost one foot in
the grave in terms of where their life is heading, it reminds me of
a sign that used to be on the wall of a Christian counselor that I
knew a real good fellow and he didn't want all the fluffy you know,
tell me your problems, I'll give you a quick answer. I mean,
he was so in to getting in the down and dirty and helping people walking
alongside him. And his science said this, It said, some people want
to live within the sound of chapel bells. I'd rather run a rescue shop
within a foot of hell. Have you heard that one? I have?
And that's what I think about when I when I heard your story and see
this going on. You guys, you guys have a rescue shop that is
well worth contributing to being a part of. And I would encourage everybody listening.
P t S d USA dot org. P t S d USA dot
org find out more about it, find out ways that you can give and
just make that a part of you know. It's so cool when we think
about veteran issues and I think, well, what can I do? You
know what, I don't know any any veterans that are going through this.
Well now you do. Now you know how you can help. You can
help individual veterans that are here in the Greater Houston area. David, thank
you so much for coming in. This has been really enlightening for me.
Thank you very much. I don't think we ever give out that trauma line,
but it's eight seven seven seven one seven seventy eight seventy three eight seven
seven seven one seven seventy eight seventy three seventy eight seventy and thank you very
much. Man, We're honored. Okay, eight one seven. I'm trying
to write it at eighty seven seven seven one seven PTSD or seventy eight seventy
three. Okay, Well, it's been great to have you on. We're
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