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Yeah, welcome back to calling all
beings. I'm your host DJ on a

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Scandinavian Saturday with my homies and my
co host. You notice down there in

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the bottom block it says Nathan's acolyte, who is also exos acolyte. So

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by extension, that makes me also
X I'll come back to call them beings.

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And good afternoon, Nathan. How
are you, sir? I'm doing

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great. I love the Scandinavian Saturday. That's a great one to start doing

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that on a regular basis, just
anything Scandinavian happening Saturdays. I'm done with

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that. Sounds like a lot got
to got to and also Nathan our co

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hosts here, Debs. Good,
good afternoon, Debs. How are you,

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ma'am. I'm doing well. I'm
happy to see everybody. It's been

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a minute. Yeah. We want
to thank you Debs, because it was

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really you know, we had done
this and we sort of forgot that we

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really needed to get more international people
into the fold. And one of the

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I don't know if it was a
meeting or if it was a backstage you

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were like, hey Julie in the
chat, good afternoon, Jules, thank

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you. Love is that much love? Accoletics run their DJA. That's so

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let's just put in chat debs.
You're like, we need to get more

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of money. He made more international
flavor here and you had told us that,

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and we're like, yes, we
got to go out and book some

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guests that are not from the US
and the UK. It's almost like,

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uh, we're kind of like all
over the community and we really need to

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get other people's perspective. So I
reached out to Andres and we had a

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phone call which was brilliant, and
boy, we really got on like right

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off the bat. Had a great
conversation for about forty forty five minutes,

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and then I said, Andres,
what if we try to get some other

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Scandinavian nations represented instead? You know, that way not all the pressures on

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him. Everybody can can share their
experience and also bring a topic today that

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they would like the others to comment
on or a question. So with the

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help of Vinnie Adams, so shout
out to Vinnie Adams, say in hopefully

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you're going to jump in here.
You now have the link how to get

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in the studio, because the folks
want to see the vikings want to see

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you. You know, It's like
Connor McGregor said, right, we didn't

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come here to take pot. We
came to take over. So the Vikings

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are in the house, so give
some respect, hey man, Amen,

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all right, so let's let's uh, let's bring him all on screen,

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Nathan, and then I'll go through
the list. Okay, sounds good.

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All right? So right here representing
Finland is my man Andres all right.

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And the second person to join this
joint from Norway. The legend who just

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I guess was is now like the
sort of the leader of the Norwegian group

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is Renateey. Yes, I don't
did Christian with a seed? Did he

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make it? Or no? No, I don't see him yet. No,

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okay, uh, we were supposed
to get Linus and then we were

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supposed to get Christian with the Sea. We'll have to wait in him.

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But you know what Berg and tell
me if I'm saying, is it bergdis

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or bergs? That's perfect? But
yeah, okay from Iceland, we thank

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you. Yes. And now,
last but not least, as I said,

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I'm watching a TV a Danish TV
series right now, Christian Thompson from

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Denmark. So welcome Vikings. How
are you guys? You put in Mite.

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Oh man, it is our pleasure. I've only been to two of

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your countries. I've had a couple
of amazing trips to Norway to work with

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the Norwegian Air Force a garden Mollen
and the uh Norwegian special Forces that have

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a base. Oh man, I'm
trying to remember this little little striple land

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that they have. I'd have to
think about that one. And I've got

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to uh fly around Ice a little
bit, and both places are just breathtakingly

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beautiful. I love both those places
and uh it, it was just flying

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around there, it's just kind of
not like anywhere else. So uh but

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I do hope to make it to
Denmark and Sweden and of course you know

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Finland as you as as you mentioned, Andre's the happiest people and all here.

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All right, let me pass it
over to my man Money Nathan.

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Awesome. Hey, it's great to
have all of you guys with us.

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I think there's at least i'll speak
for myself, a deep fascination with the

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Scandinavian region countries culture that maybe that
kind of the US thing we're really interested

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in. You know, the people
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there's a there's a mythology you know
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in your culture a certain degree.
But I was wondering if you could speak

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to and not all of you have
to answer to this, whoever wants to

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really, if any of you want
to speak to you know, kind of

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the role that you know, the
history of your of the mythology that people

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plays in the in your people now, because it may not play much of

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a role anymore as opposed to maybe
the role that it played in the past.

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And how do you think, you
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ties into your maybe openness to the
phenomena is it Does it have any connection

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whatsoever? Or are you purely just
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I just you know, speak to
that if you don't mind, great

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question, you can start. I
don't know, maybe we'll start with Andreas.

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Yeah, and it's a really great
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thought of that. M Well,
we're pretty we're a pretty young country,

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you know, a bit over one
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strong like we have strong, a
strong old culture. And I think that

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mythological culture or party is called Kala
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deities there and it's I think it's
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like, uh, it's influenced the
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in the modern day, I don't
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day to day lives, but I
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us a bit more you know,
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Interesting that I was gonna say,
that's a great question. Anybody raise

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your hand if that if you'd like
to tackle that one, that that maybe

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uh sort of your country's past and
the and the mythology, if that,

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if that sort of plays into your
acceptance of phenomenon I can speak. Do

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you hear me? Yes? Yeah, I would have to go with a

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strong no on that one. I
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absolutely I mean, the mythology of
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to this phenomenon when it has two
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not. I don't speak for everyone
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don't think there's really a link there. We had like you know, when

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you you say, when you troll
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from toll Troll in Norway. That's
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my sorry creatures, methodical what's the
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You know, I'm not English and
mythological. That's one of our mythological

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creatures. So they're big and ugly
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of those. But I don't really
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and that that's basically how we learn
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ask these questions, you know,
we want to know, like what's your

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position? You know, because we
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ever interviewed anybody from from the Scandinavian
country. So that's why we're dealing this

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home girl. But guess what.
Vinnie Adams in the house. Hey guys,

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how's it going. Hey Christian,
he's got the wine. I'm on

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the bear room though I know,
I know he comes to the fates and

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similating culturally cultural assimilation. You know, what can I say? But listen,

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I can't stay. Unfortunately, I've
got a few things to get on

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it. But I just wanted to
jump on and say hello to everybody.

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So I'll be excited to watch this
full show back later. All right,

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Thank you, Vinny. And by
the way, before I let you go,

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thank you for helping me put this
together, because I think you gave

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me two or three addresses on or
the handles on Twitter to contact to put

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this together. So thank you,
brother. We appreciate you, and I'll

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speak with you later. All right, All right, guys, have a

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great show. Bye bye bye,
now bye. All right, back to

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the lecture at hand, Nathan,
what do you think if maybe we do

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a couple minutes for everybody to give
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their country, and then after that, what we're gonna do is we'll start

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with Andreas and we'll just go around
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a question, and the rest of
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your thought is. So let's start
with Andreas. If you could just give

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everybody the state of of of UAP
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we'll move on Ton and so on. Great, Yeah, thanks, as

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I see it. I would say, we have like we have the same

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stuff you have in the States,
on you know, the private level,

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but on the public level, not
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we have we have UFOs here,
We've had them, you know, from

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the thirties reports, we have a
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the abductees, we have seemingly some
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of official UFO organizations here. And
there seem to have been a big UFO

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boom in the in the seventies,
and I kind of checked that aligns with

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that when all the or four of
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started on. So I don't know
if it's has a connection there, but

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I think it's kind of an interesting, interesting coincidence. But yeah, there

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is a lot of interest here.
There are groups, you know, gatherings

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people, people are sharing their experiences. I've been talking to abductees and and

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and so forward. But but I'd
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the public level, on the news
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government level, there's no statement from
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on the topic. And and I
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here in Finland to to kind of
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or the different UFO groups and and
and groupments and organizations. Uh, there

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is a lot of energy and it
feels like they want to burst through to

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to the mainstream, and but it
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borrow probably borrow the stigma from you
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But I think I believe that most
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there is life outside the planet.
And I don't know if I'm taking up

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too much time, but I've kind
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media, the government and and the
Defense Department of our country to kind of

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ask them what they know. So
I've been sending letters. Just cut me

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off if I'm rambling on too long, but chop your mic off right away.

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And I'm scared. Yeah that's good, sounds good. But yeah,

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So I've kind of been following you
guys, and I've linked I've composed compiled

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mails to where I kind of reference
to, for instance, the Schumer Amendment,

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Uh, the Schumer and rounds kind
of a quality quality when they speak

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on the Senate, for you know
that the Transiti script. So I've added

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that, and then I've added a
center link from the uh Preliminary Assessment on

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identity faderia phenomena from twenty twenty one
and twenty twenty three. So I can

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send all those things to different places
and given translations in Finnish like or summaries.

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And I have a list here of
who I sent them to, and

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I'm actually having a point because I
have one reply, which is a bit

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cool. But I've sent them to
the Ministry of Defense, to the Finnish

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Security and Intelligence Service, to Defense
Command Finland, to the former Defense Minister,

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to some select parliament members, and
then to major newspapers and to the

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Finnish National Archives. And then we
have something akin to FOYA, so the

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Ministry of Interior. You can kind
of foia them for stuff. So I've

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sent these kind of things like do
you know I've asked them, do you

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know what's going on in the in
the US? Do you know about the

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up UFOs? And do you have
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the Finnish National arcads were really helpful. They kind of they said told me

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that it's really hard to find the
specific information because it's not categorized correctly.

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But they have a lot of secret
letters from between Russian and Finland or Soviet

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and Finland from the thirties and forties
mentioning ghost chips. And I'm actually going

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next week to kind of read those
documents and kind of try to maybe find

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some more. But the you know, interesting thing here is that I got

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one reply from none other than the
Ministry of Defense. They actually replied to

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my email, and I asked them, as I said, that do they

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know about these developments in the United
States, about UFOs UAPs and do they

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have any classified or un classified the
information about this, And now Google Translate

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translated their finished response to me like
this, dear andress, thank you for

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your message and your interest in national
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very high standard and our understanding of
the situation is very good in all aspects

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all respects. However, we cannot
open the details of the inquiry to the

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public, so it's kind of a
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at least. And then I tried
to press them that do they think UAP

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posts a national security threat to national
security in Finland? And to that they

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answered, I have nothing more,
nothing further further to add to my previous

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statement. So that's the situation in
Finland. I'd say so her first thing

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I want to do is I want
to applaud you right there, Andreas,

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thank you, thank you, and
I'm gonna and I'm going to tell you

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why. And I've picked on the
Brits about this, so they've heard me

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say it. You are addressing your
own government in this effort, because if

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you are from outside the US,
you can address the US congressman all day

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long, doesn't matter you. The
war needs to be fought on multiple fronts.

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So everybody from their country should be
addressing their government on this issue.

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And that's how you're going to create
movement when there's pressure on multiple sides.

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Because Chuck Schumer doesn't owe you anything. You could sit there and email them

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all day. You're not one of
his constituents, you don't vote for president,

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you don't vote in their elections,
don't care. So this is an

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excellent example of what needs to be
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the Brits. I mean everybody should
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have if in fact you know that
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I'm hoping that this will lead to
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in public between you and RENATEE and
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et cetera. To how to strategize
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That's how we're going to get movement
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guys can't. You might think you
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can't. So that's you know,
that's that's my opinion on that. Let's

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go to renate please, ma'am.
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was I guess more popular to be
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The organization that I'm a leader for
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more popular back then. I was
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but this has been information that's been
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there was a hype like in the
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but I suspect that it's actually more
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no talk about it unless you're in
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sphere or this like UFO bubble,
whatever you want to call it, if

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you're on X or if you if
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the official sphere, there's no we
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maybe there was actually they talked about
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so I was surprised that that was
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that, you know, nothing really
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I mean things happen, but just
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that a lot of people see and
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saw this. One person saw that, and they want to stay anonymous because

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it's so much stigma attached to it. So you're really like, we're not

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getting any momentum at all here,
and it's very I guess you can say

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it's irritating because you know you want
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stories. We have our own own
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year, so and people can't call
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they make reports on our website,
so we get information, but it's nothing

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that we can say definitely this happened. This person said this, it's incredible

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witnesses. We don't have those cases. Unfortunately, we're hoping that we will

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get them. Maybe this is just
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do with the fact that we're not
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nuclear weapons, We don't have any
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and you get the idea that a
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facilities or close to attached to the
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that. But again that's just a
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have, of course had some cases
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that people in this environment knows about, but not everyone like in Norway,

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and we don't have many UFO organizations. We have really just the one that

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I'm the leader of. There might
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don't have any members, but maybe
they're on X or have you know,

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maybe a couple of people. I'm
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I think we're the only ones that
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magazine. That's the organization that I
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yeah thanks so yeah, and yeah, may I ask may I ask one

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question, do you happen to know
what your government like if they are in

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the possession of materials or if they
have a program that goes out and studies

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or captures. Uh, if there's
any any down material do you know anything,

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have any info on that? No, unfortunately I don't. There have

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been There is this one story that
was circulated around but that there was this

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UFO that was down, but then
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and they concluded that it was false. So, you know, but I

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don't necessarily think that the Norwegian governments
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and I could be wrong, But
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in the reserves as a captain,
so I alway, so I always have

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to think about what I say.
So I'm very careful to you know,

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say anything about my government because you
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but my my my initiation, my
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That's what I think about it.
So I feel your pain. I'm a

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former government employee as well. Uh. So I I also had to had

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to walk that line for several years
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did two different roles with the government, so it's kind of something that you

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have to do behind the scenes.
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like you, I wouldn't say it
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say, like, I want to
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If I were to go to the
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with a member of parliament, be
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and I were to stand up or
walk up to that person say you know

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what, you on a social issue
and said, you know what, you

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guys really need to get yourself together
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He would hear my accents say,
wait a minute, man, once you

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go fix the gun violence in the
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me right like. So that that
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if I were a legislator in the
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the country and approached me in a
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I would say, look, we've
got legislation on the books. You

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have nothing. Go back to your
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they would say. That's what I
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approached me and saw the progress we've
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their own country. So that's the
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I'm not saying it to sort of
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just think that's the way to approach
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on multiple sides, so that officials
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from the US, uh, you
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whatever, and saying, look,
you know, we're getting pressure on our

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side too about this, So you
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from one side, you know,
hey, we could just have a unified

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front right here. Yeah, my
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maneuver, and there's no maneuver from
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pressure is coming in one direction.
It's easy to just block that one that

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that that one position. So anyway, let's get to who's next? Is

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it? Iceland? Bergs, Yes, Hi, thank you, and thank

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you so much for having me.
This is a first for me alive of

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any kind, and I feel honored
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So, Iceland, there's really nothing
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by accident like three years ago.
I was listening to podcasts and I was

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like, I just realized and I
was like, wow, okay, this

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is real, and I just I
was a sponge for two or three years

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about this, but just so it
was just me with myself. I wasn't

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really talking to anybody about it,
so I'm just I actually, though,

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have reached out to the Coastguard because
they are our defense department. I asked

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them, you know, is there
a database, what is there something where

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can I look for instances in Iceland? And who do I talk to?

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And he says, you talk to
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So Iceland is I guess an extension
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US when it comes to this.
So I haven't bothered going further because I

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actually had a video. I have
a video. I'm going to share it

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with you guys, and I shared
it with them. They told me it

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was not spotted on radar, but
I saw it nonetheless, so I know

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there's a presence here. But yeah, nothing's really going on. The media

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doesn't really talk about it, you
know, David Grush. They did maybe

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one or two news about it,
but then you know, nobody's talking about

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it, so yeah, I'm just
excited about what's to come. You know,

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we were talking about what a perfect
place for the phenomenon on Iceland is.

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It's just a perfect location for them. So Nathan, when do you

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want to do videos? Do you
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when would you like to do it? Whenever? I can? I have

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some in the file folder that you
shared. I don't know if I have

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this one, but yeah, I
mean where do you think would be better

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to keep going to show it now? Or do you think would be better

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to show it after we do the
roundtable portion? We can do it now

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if I better see you have a
data Vaye, Well, can you share

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your screen? Yes? I can. I just need to know how I

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do it setting at the bottom okay, let me see just click there and

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there should be an option for that. Okay, my prescription. These guys

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have to double it's double strength.
Is anything happening now? System audio?

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And at the very worst, I
can have you drop it in the folder

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that Nathan has access to and he
can pick it up from there. So

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you have the link. Well okay, yeah, just drop it in there

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and Nathan's getting paid a lot of
money to do this, this technical director

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stuff so and executive producer. All
right, Christian no here and Mark,

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I'm actually running Facebook group with about
over four thousand members and updating them every

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day. I have some moderators,
but it's meet as mainly the admin on

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this Facebook group, and we are
putting up stuff to the Danish people every

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day. It's a private group,
but we see many join. So yeah.

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Then then we have a really public
podcast called Flying Saucer or few Units

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a lagen some as we call it
here in the Mark and it's on our

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main broadcast station and it's really probably
millions of downloads on Spotify and also on

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the main page broadcasting page on the
internet. So other than this, that

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came a statement from our defense minister
in two thousand and one that said that

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in the last ten years we didn't
have any UFOs on our radars or systems

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or something, and that was asked
because of the situation that goes on in

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the States, and there was another
politician that wanted to hear what we are

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doing in Denmark, but as as
he was told that every public statement on

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UFOs goes to an organization called Soufoy. That's an old, old organization in

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Denmark. They have of form people
can fill in and they have had this

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for decades. So that's the way
the public can report on the UFO sightings

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here in Denmark. But but again
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podcast Disclosure Team that he got Lewis
Alessandro and he had a presentation I think

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in twenty nineteen that states that Sweden
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UFO programs and I wasn't aware of
that, but he stated on Winnie Adams

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talked to that it was actually when
he was at EIGHTIP. Yeah, that

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is that is really really helpful to
you guys that Lou knows that. And

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he would know right because he when
he was the director of a TIP,

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he probably was in contact with not
only the Five Eyes, even though you

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guys aren't part of five Eyes,
I'm sure there's conversation. So that tells

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you that you can engage at least
Christian and Christian And by the way,

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welcome Christian from Sweden. How's it
going, brother, Thank you, it's

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going great. I just yeah,
go a little bit late here, sorry,

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but I'm here now. Please proceed
now. This is excellent and I'll

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tell you what. You and Andreas
have the two best beards I think on

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the show very much. I don't
know Sheriff of Nottingham meets Ragner Lockbrook.

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I'm not sure, but they look
great. So great job guys, keeping

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up wide. Yeah all right,
so but that that that's really good to

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hear Christian with a K on that
because then you can engage. Yeah,

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there was a I'm following a lot
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one is an as astro physicista.
Yeah, and and he is a member

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of I think a board on on
space affairs because he stated that he's responsible

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for any activities uh above one hundred
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you know. So that and and
they I know they had a meeting

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after the shootdowns in the US of
the balloons, uh or maybe one balloon.

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don't know what those were, right, No, but yeah, so so

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they they actually had a meeting to
discuss are we are we sure that we

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can handle Chinese balloons? I think
on something later, you know, yeah,

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well, you know, depending upon
where they are. There's an issue

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with shooting something down because figuring out
where it's gonna land, landing on someone's

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house, landing on someone's campsite,
you know. So that's why they waited

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for them to go over go over
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them down and said, well,
okay, there's less of a chance it's

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gonna land in an urban or suburban
area here than if we just take you

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know, at first glance, we
send a fighter up to take a shot

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at it. So it's a very
difficult thing. People were asking me,

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what do you think about that?
I'm like, well, what do I

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think? I think I don't know
everything all that goes into the decision of

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when and where to shoot that down
and without knowing that you're just gonna go

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this should have shot down then let
it fly over the US. And it's

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like, I'm sure that they took
all of these things into account and things

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that we don't even know what went
into their thought process. But anyway,

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Christian the other Christians back. So
what we're going to do, Christian from

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Sweden is get a quick state of
what's going on in Sweden from your perspective,

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and then we're going to start the
roundtable where everyone is going to present

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either a topic or a question to
the group and everyone will get an opportunity

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to comment on that. So please, without further ado, let's get Christian

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from Sweden. What's going on over
there? Sir? Yes, Hello,

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guys, I have quite a quite
a speech to make. I'm not sure

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if this is the right moment or
if I should take that later. Well,

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it depends on how long it is. How long are you talking?

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Are we doing twenty minutes or five
minutes? Ten? Then maybe okay,

408
00:36:42.039 --> 00:36:45.760
let's go for seven and a half? Be six synct all right, go

409
00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:51.800
ahead, okay, yes, so
yeah, and I'm today I'm speaking on

410
00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:55.159
my own behalf, not your the
Swedens, and this is not the official

411
00:36:55.159 --> 00:37:00.559
position of our network. Everyone has
their own opinions. And yeah, before

412
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:06.679
I get further, I would just
like to establish two facts. Firstly,

413
00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:14.719
the media coverage here is absolutely abysmal
in conversation to the States and in consequence,

414
00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:20.480
so it's the level of interest and
knowledge among the general public. As

415
00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:22.800
an example, a few months ago, on a very popular quiz show on

416
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:29.679
State TV called Postported, there was
a question to name the secret military base

417
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:36.079
out in Nevada's desert. The celebrity
participants are mostly quite well informed on various

418
00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:39.480
topics, and one of the teams
got it right, but the other guest

419
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:46.280
area fifty seven after some internal debate
the business level in society here it's easy

420
00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:52.559
to forget in the circle of people
I normally speak with. And secondly,

421
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:57.800
there's an element within the Swedish military
that takes an active interest in the topic.

422
00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:04.360
This is abundantly clear due to witness
testimony from personal friends to us near

423
00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:09.159
our network, while whom I have
no reason to distrust, and the official

424
00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:13.679
line, however, is that the
military has no interest in the topic nor

425
00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:19.320
any contemporary sightings. Due to a
tradition of public trust in our governments that

426
00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:23.480
stands in stark contrast to that in
the US, US very few questions this

427
00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:30.920
official line. So with these two
statements as background, I would also like

428
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:36.280
to speak on the state of this
information in Sweden, and also I believe

429
00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:42.639
the situation in Denmark is quite similar
as well. We heard we would Russian

430
00:38:42.679 --> 00:38:47.800
many others speak of a sophisticated disinformation
campaign designed to obfuscate the truth regarding the

431
00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:53.000
physical reality of UFOs from the public
as well as the existence of crash retrieval

432
00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:58.519
and reverse engineering programs. It appears, though, that the ins and out

433
00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:01.960
when it comes to the actual spread
of this campaign is still wholly understood within

434
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:07.119
eupology. It is my conviction that
we can identify a central aspect of it,

435
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:14.400
namely the infiltration of civilian youth organizations. And I think this goes back

436
00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:19.519
all the way to KNEECAP in the
fifties and sixties, which literally had first

437
00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:25.000
director of c CIA Losco Hellenicopter on
its board, and a more recent example

438
00:39:25.039 --> 00:39:30.559
would be Gams Carrion, the former
director of Newform, was almost always aiming

439
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:37.239
to identify man made technology as the
source of youthful sightings. In Christopher Bledsoe's

440
00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:40.840
book, you can read about how
Carrion came to him with our documentary crew

441
00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:45.960
and the very clear intention to debunk
his story. And as we may know,

442
00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:52.679
Bledsoe has many friends within various government
agencies, one of whom apparently told

443
00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:58.000
him that Jims Carrion was indeed a
disinformation agent are planned by some free letter

444
00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:05.159
agency and when analyzing Carrion's behavior,
which constantly seemed to discredit that any form

445
00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:09.039
of non human intelligence is behind the
youthful phenomenon. It actually makes a lot

446
00:40:09.079 --> 00:40:13.199
of sense that he would be planted
there to spread this message. When you

447
00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:17.360
think about it, the best way
to spread this information about eupotopic is of

448
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:23.159
course to compromise the discourse on the
subject that is euphology, specifically by influencing

449
00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:28.679
youth organizations. You can really suck
up all the interest in the topic and

450
00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:34.039
then go on to control and shape
it. And there's strong indications that the

451
00:40:34.079 --> 00:40:37.079
same thing has been going on in
Denmark and Sweden, especially since the nineties,

452
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:43.599
with the leadership of the organization EUFU
Studier here in Sweden and SUFUI in

453
00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:46.880
Denmark. As far as I can
tell, these two or more or less

454
00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:54.079
sister organizations with similar structures and mutual
respect for each other, both investigate YOUUFHU

455
00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:59.920
reports sent in by civilians and aiming
to be the national authority on the topic.

456
00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:06.239
And I would like to continue by
throwing out some disclaimers here. Of

457
00:41:06.280 --> 00:41:10.480
course, the wider membership in these
organizations are good, honest people, interested

458
00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:15.880
in the topic and doing their best
investigations of euthu sightings, and the same

459
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:20.159
goes on from upon, by the
way, which is full of complent people

460
00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:25.880
and now also have better leadership by
all indication. In the event that a

461
00:41:25.880 --> 00:41:30.320
small handful of people in the leadership
of these organizations have any other agenda when

462
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:35.719
that is given to them by people
from within the natural security states, this

463
00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:38.599
does not make them bad people.
I'm sure that they believe that they are

464
00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:43.920
doing what is best, and many
people with a lot of knowledge on the

465
00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:47.719
topic, for instance, some within
the Invisible College are by their own admission,

466
00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:52.599
not wholly pro disclosure, as they
do not see that as beneficial to

467
00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:59.679
society, I guess. Nevertheless,
it appears that the leadership of both Euthosparia

468
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:05.320
and are not completely honest in how
they engage in the topic on a number

469
00:42:05.320 --> 00:42:08.719
of points, and I believe this
has been quite detrimental to the level of

470
00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:14.840
interest and knowledge within our two countries. The people in charge of Sufui are

471
00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:19.840
straight up one hundred percent unpulugetic debunkers, claiming that the whole phenomenon can be

472
00:42:19.880 --> 00:42:24.199
explained by mass suchosis, weather,
balloons, etcetera. While are balloons from

473
00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:30.440
kids parties and yeah, exactly,
but still they encourage bitnesses to report their

474
00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:35.239
euthusytings to them only to them go
on and find some mundane explanation for it.

475
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:40.000
This seems to be their aim.
The whole thing is very suspect and

476
00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:46.440
frankly quite absurd when you get into
the topic. So investigating civilian cases is

477
00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:52.079
also the central pillar of eufusarius activity. Unlike SUFOI, they don't aim to

478
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:58.559
debunk every case. They do,
however, in my view, manipulate their

479
00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:04.440
own statistics in a very blatant and
silly way, so that only between zero

480
00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:07.920
two cases per year are defined as
UFOs, when the real number ought to

481
00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:14.800
be much higher, even according to
their own very strict criteria. And this

482
00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:20.760
is maybe we can get back to
this topic later, but in general I

483
00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:24.760
think ufusaria are a bit more nuanced
than suvui, not full on the bunkers.

484
00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:30.280
They at least acknowledge the reality of
the phenomenon. However, when you

485
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:35.199
try to get a straight answer from
what might be behind it, it's like

486
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:39.400
talking to a politician, never a
straight answer, and I don't think I

487
00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:45.639
ever heard of them talk of non
human intelligence as a reality, and the

488
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:50.719
extra terrestrial hypothesis in particular. They
take any opportunity to make a straw man

489
00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:57.599
out of and mock Sufui keeps referring
to the Euphu myth, and Eufusaria talks

490
00:43:57.599 --> 00:44:05.320
about the Ufu mystery. There's no
satisfactory explanations and we can never be free

491
00:44:05.320 --> 00:44:12.039
from doubt. And they focus quite
often on local cases, historical local cases

492
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:17.800
and not really limits Roswell Aerial School
and so on. So you can really

493
00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:27.480
question this scientific approach here making the
hypothesis at taboo and only collecting data.

494
00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:31.679
Yes, and the main guy here
is plus one, our big hero who's

495
00:44:31.719 --> 00:44:37.199
been so important for euthology in Sweden, is pretty much synonymous with the organization.

496
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:44.480
And also he's been working in media
and pretty much been the only guy

497
00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:50.599
that has been approached from media last
thirty years. He's been a journalist at

498
00:44:50.679 --> 00:44:55.119
one of our major newspapers, and
whatever media outlet wants an expert opinion on

499
00:44:55.159 --> 00:45:00.840
the matter, he's to go to
a guy think some of you in a

500
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:04.599
panel to They know him personally and
only have good things to say about him.

501
00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:10.480
And again I'm not here to criticize
too much. I'm so shortly class.

502
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:16.400
Does what he thinks is best and
believes is right. But some things

503
00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:22.639
are highly suspect. For instance,
whenever he's interviewed in conjunction to the latest

504
00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:29.119
Arrow report, he does nothing to
question the sincerity in Arrow's motives and instead

505
00:45:29.239 --> 00:45:35.199
emphasizes Kirkpatrick has done a good job
and Grush's testimony, on the other hand,

506
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:39.639
he has mentioned as a conspiracy theory
in the same breath as flat utters

507
00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:45.480
and in general, the whole leadership's
response to Grusher's claims have been very tappid,

508
00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:50.199
just claiming that, ah, we
heard this all before, as if

509
00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:57.440
that discounts their validity. Yeah,
this analysis is to be expected by skeptics

510
00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:00.599
who, let's be honest, you
generally have a very poor knowledge of the

511
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:06.159
topic. But this isn't the case
with this guess at all classes fifty years

512
00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:12.320
experience in the topic, they are
very knowledgeable, and they are of course

513
00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:19.719
aware of things like the Admiral Wilson
leak and all the substantiating evidence. It

514
00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:24.599
seems like they pretend that they're not
aware of it. I'm not the first

515
00:46:24.639 --> 00:46:30.559
to smell something fishy here. People
have been saying that classes here to keep

516
00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:34.840
the lid on since they took over
in somewhat of a coup in the early

517
00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:40.960
nineties. And what I find the
most sad is that there's been an environment

518
00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:47.760
created where witnesses and experiences feel the
trusted and as a consequence, remained silence.

519
00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:54.320
They are grouped together with lunatics,
and I don't think that's very healthy.

520
00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:58.440
So, and even if you don't
believe that there's any hidden agenda here,

521
00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:04.920
I probably would with the limited evidence
that I've provided, these organizations have

522
00:47:05.239 --> 00:47:08.519
likely played a very significant role in
the level of interest and knowledge of the

523
00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:14.480
topic. Heer in Scandinavia. I'm
I'm gonna tell you, brother, I

524
00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:16.400
want to I want to make an
applause because I love what you had to

525
00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:21.639
say. Uh. And I'll tell
you what. We're also not thrilled with

526
00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:25.719
our media either. We feel like
they are carrying the water for certain organizations

527
00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:30.320
that want to keep this secret.
And so says Ross Coltart. So it

528
00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:37.360
says George Knapp and Jeremy Corbel because
uh, you know you you you have

529
00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:42.559
someone who testified under oath, uh
that he has evidence of these things and

530
00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:45.920
that he spoke with Sean Kirkpatrick.
And then you have arrow saying Yep,

531
00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:49.320
nobody's coming to us told us anything. It's like, oh, okay,

532
00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:52.199
well, somebody testified under oath that
that's not the case, and there's actually

533
00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:55.719
more than just just him, not
to mention lou Elizondo and others. So

534
00:47:57.119 --> 00:48:01.480
thank you, Christian. That was
brill speech that you made. What we'd

535
00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:04.800
like to do Now I'm going to
shut up. I'm going to turn it

536
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:09.400
over to Nathan and Ebs and we're
going to start with the order i'd like

537
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:13.360
to go in. It's just the
order that you kind of join this effort.

538
00:48:13.400 --> 00:48:17.400
Andreas renatee, Christian with the C
bergdis and Christian with a K.

539
00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:25.800
And because we only have about forty
two minutes left, what I need to

540
00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:30.719
do is for you guys to be
brief and succinct in your topics and in

541
00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:37.960
your answers. So starting with Andrea's
presents, your your topic or your question,

542
00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:42.400
and then it will go around the
table to everybody else to be able

543
00:48:42.440 --> 00:48:45.480
to comment on it. But like
I said, be brief because we were

544
00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:50.039
running. We're running a little bit
behind, so please go ahead, sir.

545
00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:54.039
Okay, Well, I'm going to
choose a pretty quick topic. Then.

546
00:48:55.760 --> 00:49:01.400
My background is in app development and
game development, and I'll make west

547
00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:07.880
I'm just kidd I'm sorry, pretty
much been doing that all my life.

548
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:12.239
So this is a question and it's
brief and you're going to love it.

549
00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:15.320
What kind of So there are some
apps out there, but what kind of

550
00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:24.960
u A p UFO related app or
game do you think would be good to

551
00:49:25.039 --> 00:49:34.079
have? Would that would benefit the
kind of effort to rent? What would

552
00:49:34.119 --> 00:49:39.920
benefits this topic? Yeah? How
could we kind of use an app to

553
00:49:40.280 --> 00:49:44.840
what kind of app could we use? Could we make? Could we create?

554
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:50.440
I guess they're already people, different
people, different groups that are making

555
00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:55.679
these apps. I've already met one
or two who does do that. I

556
00:49:55.760 --> 00:50:02.760
think the main problem is actually getting
people to use the apps, because you

557
00:50:02.840 --> 00:50:07.079
can have an app, but you
people who are not interested in this topic

558
00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:12.320
will never have that app on their
phone. So I agree with the idea,

559
00:50:12.440 --> 00:50:15.079
and I love the idea. I
just see a problem with actually people

560
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:19.960
having the app. You know,
when they see something. I think like

561
00:50:20.119 --> 00:50:23.239
ninety nine percent will not have that
app on the phone because they don't care.

562
00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:29.559
So the information that we want people
to have about this topic, you

563
00:50:29.639 --> 00:50:30.880
know, you need this app because
when you see something, we want you

564
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:37.400
to register it. I think that's
the main problem. And there are already

565
00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:39.440
some apps out there where you can
plot in what you saw and it goes

566
00:50:39.519 --> 00:50:47.199
to this common register kind of thing. So yeah, that's my answer.

567
00:50:47.239 --> 00:51:01.760
I guess cool Christian Wild, I
think, yeah, already spoke so much.

568
00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:07.760
I don't have anything else that I
want to talk about. And I

569
00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:14.199
have an interesting saying that I say
sometimes that I found in a AI generated

570
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:22.800
Batman script, which is the following
I have never followed a rule. That

571
00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:30.039
is my rule? Do you follow? I don't, so I'm skipping this

572
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:34.239
point. All right, all right, well, thank you. Let's move

573
00:51:34.280 --> 00:51:37.599
on to Berg. What kind of
an app do you think that the UFO

574
00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:42.719
community needs? Wow? Okay,
so I haven't really thought about this,

575
00:51:42.920 --> 00:51:49.199
but I do have myself the Enigma
Labs app and I did upload one video

576
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:52.719
to there. I mean, it's
a good concept, and I'm thinking something

577
00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:59.519
like that, like the Enigma Labs
app where you can upload what you see.

578
00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:07.880
You can upload your video and also
see videos around you incidents around the

579
00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:14.199
world. So that's that's a good
concept. And also I just want to

580
00:52:14.199 --> 00:52:20.320
point out real quick debs, is
it Baptiste Free Free Court that has an

581
00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:25.039
app coming out or has an app
out? Right? Yes? And Hollywood

582
00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:31.039
from Liverpool in the UK has the
nano app that is, I don't know

583
00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:37.199
if I think it's next month.
She's having her soft release of that app,

584
00:52:37.239 --> 00:52:39.079
which I think all three of us
will be testing on this show.

585
00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:43.760
So just just let you know there
are some apps out there that are coming

586
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:47.360
out from people in the community.
Let's go with Christian with a K please.

587
00:52:49.719 --> 00:53:02.199
Yeah, I actually made an app
myself for for Android users only,

588
00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:10.760
but we we didn't have the resources
to market it. So that's that's the

589
00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:20.360
whole point that we we really need
to get someone to use it or or

590
00:53:20.960 --> 00:53:30.039
it won't benefit anything. But the
the app I made is a UFO alert

591
00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:35.960
app where you can press a button
and where you are, where you see

592
00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:44.719
the UFO, everyone in a fifty
fifteen kilometers will be alerted. If you

593
00:53:44.840 --> 00:53:49.920
got the app yourself, and then
they can push the button if they see

594
00:53:49.960 --> 00:53:57.079
it, and so you can drag
it that day, you know so and

595
00:53:57.320 --> 00:54:05.400
then maybe reported in later, but
you will be alerted if anything happens in

596
00:54:05.519 --> 00:54:13.159
yours guys, if anybody else sees
it, and then the phone will start

597
00:54:13.639 --> 00:54:21.199
ring, you know, flood and
you can yeah see on the skies if

598
00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:23.159
you can see it, and if
you see it, then you push the

599
00:54:23.239 --> 00:54:29.480
button and so on. So there
you go, Andreas. I think Christian

600
00:54:29.599 --> 00:54:31.639
likes the idea of the app because
he made one and he's like, yeah,

601
00:54:31.639 --> 00:54:37.480
I'm an Android user, damn right. But anyway, Debs is going

602
00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:40.159
to elbow her way into this Viking
round table. Debs, you had a

603
00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:44.639
yes or question, so and let's
frame it up, my friend. Yeah.

604
00:54:44.960 --> 00:54:50.800
So that recently the European Parliament put
out a presentation. I was wondering

605
00:54:50.880 --> 00:54:55.159
if you guys felt like that presentation
of many people in Europe was helpful with

606
00:54:55.239 --> 00:55:00.280
the stigma battle that you are facing
and you can just say yes, sir

607
00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:02.719
no, because I know we are
on a time crich Andreas, was that

608
00:55:02.840 --> 00:55:15.440
helpful? Yeah, sure not,
it's unmute, my friend, it's okay,

609
00:55:15.559 --> 00:55:23.360
migo. Which which presentation on what
was? It? Was on merch

610
00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:31.559
twentieth the European Union. I was
there, Yeah, so I was yeahful.

611
00:55:34.719 --> 00:55:38.920
Oh yeah. The question was if
that if it helped reduce the I

612
00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:42.840
think it's a very good thing that
they did that, and I think that

613
00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:45.599
it will you know, help a
little bit, you know, step by

614
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:51.599
step. Yeah. So it was
a great, great initiative small steps and

615
00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:55.320
Christian of the Sea, Yes,
I think it was a good step,

616
00:55:55.559 --> 00:56:00.760
davy steps. I mean, we've
never seen something like this and you yet

617
00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:07.760
as far as I'm aware, So
I think this is a good start for

618
00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:10.719
people to get into the topic.
But surely I would have hoped for a

619
00:56:10.840 --> 00:56:17.119
bit more. But it was okay, good step, tapid enthusiasm Christian with

620
00:56:17.199 --> 00:56:25.000
a K. Yeah, it was
a really baby step. And I saw

621
00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:35.480
Robert Fleischer from Germany we're with the
panel so and he's really outspoken, so

622
00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:40.000
maybe that's that's a good thing.
Yeah, take it. I'm sorry,

623
00:56:40.039 --> 00:56:47.679
bergdis sorry, skifty over man.
Yes, definitely, yep, i'd see

624
00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:51.679
those are great steps. I mean
it's just step by step, you know,

625
00:56:51.840 --> 00:56:54.440
how we go. We progress has
been slow. You know, they're

626
00:56:54.480 --> 00:57:00.239
pushing back now, but you know
eventually it'll get there. So next with

627
00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:07.559
their topic is to please all right, So I will ask maybe an unconventional

628
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:12.400
question, but I would urge people
to be honest and not to mention names

629
00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:15.679
or anything like that. I'm not
looking for, you know, calling out

630
00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:20.519
people, but I would like to
ask a difficult question. What is it

631
00:57:20.800 --> 00:57:24.119
that we are doing wrong? I
mean, what is the community doing wrong?

632
00:57:24.719 --> 00:57:29.679
Why is this topic not being elevated. There are a lot of things

633
00:57:29.719 --> 00:57:32.840
we know that we can do more
of, but are we doing anything wrong?

634
00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:37.320
Are we doing like what are we
missing? Because it's not going mainstream

635
00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:42.960
and we can always complain and put
the blame on someone else, but what

636
00:57:43.440 --> 00:57:45.880
what are we missing? And what
can't we elevate this topic and get more

637
00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:50.280
people interested? So I'm just like, I'd just like to know is there

638
00:57:50.320 --> 00:57:59.239
anything we could do differently? Is
there something we could do less? It's

639
00:57:59.239 --> 00:58:02.519
going to be first, I'm going
first, Well, we could as a

640
00:58:04.840 --> 00:58:12.480
community, we could be less hostile, we could be less judging, and

641
00:58:12.599 --> 00:58:16.360
we could be less bickering about who
said what and who said and who's telling

642
00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:23.639
the truth and so forward. We
could be more open. But getting people

643
00:58:23.800 --> 00:58:32.599
from outside in, I would say, well, focus on the nuts and

644
00:58:32.679 --> 00:58:37.920
boats, not the wou side.
So go talk talk about official stuff,

645
00:58:38.400 --> 00:58:44.719
government official stuff. That's what I've
sent to all the media, all our

646
00:58:44.840 --> 00:58:51.559
government too. And the book that
kind of got me in a way really

647
00:58:51.639 --> 00:58:58.039
invested in UFOs was less the Keynes, UFOs generals and so on, And

648
00:58:58.199 --> 00:59:02.519
I think that's like that kind of
information, that kind of stuff is I

649
00:59:02.679 --> 00:59:07.400
think gets people in. Then when
you get in then you can go down

650
00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:14.119
the rabbit rabbit hole and you know, learn about shadow people and orbs and

651
00:59:14.239 --> 00:59:21.000
poltergates and stuff like that. Humanity
is the biggest sort of sticking point is

652
00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:27.920
that we are we are sort of
born and bred to argue and fight with

653
00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:30.920
one another instead of if we could
just even just say, well, there's

654
00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:34.360
something out there, we don't know
what it is. At least we know

655
00:59:34.400 --> 00:59:37.440
there's something, then we can all
sort of you know, pull in the

656
00:59:37.480 --> 00:59:42.280
same direction. But in the same
time we're trying to create change that there's

657
00:59:42.320 --> 00:59:44.320
people who are going, well,
there's nothing to see, So what do

658
00:59:44.400 --> 00:59:47.400
we need to create change about.
Well, obviously there's something that these people

659
00:59:47.440 --> 00:59:52.159
are reporting and we can't agree on
that, so that makes it I think

660
00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:54.840
that makes it really difficult, which
leads to what you talked about is all

661
00:59:54.880 --> 01:00:01.440
the bickering. But who is next? Let's go to So this was NAT's

662
01:00:01.559 --> 01:00:06.719
question, So let's go to Christian
with the Sea. Yes, I think

663
01:00:06.920 --> 01:00:16.719
we need to trust ourselves more and
not wait for official people to tell us

664
01:00:17.119 --> 01:00:22.039
when something is confirmed us on because
I mean, just a few years ago,

665
01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:29.119
I have another very good example when
the pandemic hit who had undertakenel here

666
01:00:29.159 --> 01:00:31.360
in Sweden, who was basically standing
up to the rest of the world and

667
01:00:32.199 --> 01:00:37.880
basically every Western government and saying that
no, no, I'm looking at the

668
01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:42.199
science and this is how we should
do it. And Sweden did that differently.

669
01:00:42.280 --> 01:00:45.280
And I think you can argue that
he had right in many things he

670
01:00:45.320 --> 01:00:52.400
said, even though he had so
many colleagues, friends, family, people

671
01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:55.159
in Sweden and basically the rest of
the world against him. So we need

672
01:00:55.199 --> 01:01:00.280
to identify people who seem to be
the most knowledge gibil and follow them and

673
01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:05.239
not spread all cance of information about
everything. At the same time, I

674
01:01:05.280 --> 01:01:12.039
think I think we need to get
much more focused. Couldn't couldn't agree more

675
01:01:12.119 --> 01:01:17.840
with that. Next to is bergs
man, Okay, so we're I think

676
01:01:17.920 --> 01:01:24.360
we're doing so much right. What
I've been thinking is this takes a long

677
01:01:24.519 --> 01:01:32.800
time, and I mean mainstream media, it's not something to look to.

678
01:01:34.360 --> 01:01:37.679
I don't because aren't they just the
extension of, you know, the government's

679
01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:43.920
policy in this. But I think
maybe the youth, you know, the

680
01:01:44.079 --> 01:01:49.159
younger people, you know, get
them invested. I know everybody's really excited

681
01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:53.159
about this in Iceland. Everybody I
talk to is excited about this. So

682
01:01:53.880 --> 01:02:01.880
I think we're doing Yeah, we're
doing what's right. What are we doing

683
01:02:02.039 --> 01:02:07.360
wrong? My friend, Christian,
I don't think we're doing anything wrong.

684
01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:14.960
We have been doing so much right. We have been making politician take it

685
01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:21.599
up in Congress. We have the
sole foundation now. We have been really

686
01:02:21.760 --> 01:02:29.440
doing many things right. But what
I see is wrong is the secrecy around

687
01:02:29.519 --> 01:02:40.559
the topic from governments, from the
phenomena itself, and also the military.

688
01:02:42.159 --> 01:02:51.039
We haven't got anything from the Air
Force. Yeah, why not? You

689
01:02:51.119 --> 01:02:55.519
know, a bias show of hands. Does anybody feel like if I were

690
01:02:55.559 --> 01:03:00.800
abducted by the phenomenon, I would
come back with the full head of anybody?

691
01:03:02.159 --> 01:03:05.559
Nathan? Oh, yeah, we're
not there, thank you. Yeah,

692
01:03:07.320 --> 01:03:09.960
all right, Nathan. What are
we doing wrong? Sir? Yeah,

693
01:03:10.000 --> 01:03:14.239
this is a really good question,
and a really complicated one too.

694
01:03:14.480 --> 01:03:17.039
I think you know, you've all
hinted at the fact we're dealing with decades

695
01:03:17.079 --> 01:03:22.039
of stigma, and stigma is incredibly
powerful. I think about just take the

696
01:03:22.119 --> 01:03:25.960
United States as an example on a
separate matter. You know, we've been

697
01:03:27.039 --> 01:03:30.840
a very strongly sort of Christian country
in our in our heritage, right,

698
01:03:32.519 --> 01:03:36.800
yeah, exactly. Uh, that's
three Christians on the show now. So,

699
01:03:37.480 --> 01:03:42.599
and I'm using this as an example
because for the longest time, Christianity

700
01:03:42.679 --> 01:03:45.159
was such a strong part of our
culture. That was odd if you did

701
01:03:45.280 --> 01:03:49.559
not go to church, or it
was odd if you were not a part

702
01:03:49.599 --> 01:03:52.480
of a faith community. Even if
it wasn't Christianity, would would be odd

703
01:03:52.599 --> 01:03:55.960
if you weren't a part of some
faith community. It took time quite a

704
01:03:57.039 --> 01:04:00.039
lot of time, in fact,
decades, for people to be more comfortable

705
01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:04.679
with who they were and begin doing
really what they felt it was okay to

706
01:04:04.760 --> 01:04:09.360
do. In other words, there
was an extreme amount of pressure, societal

707
01:04:09.480 --> 01:04:14.239
pressure to be part of these organizations, even if you know, personally people

708
01:04:14.280 --> 01:04:18.440
didn't necessarily feel compelled to be part
of them, right and so, and

709
01:04:18.519 --> 01:04:21.760
that that stems in part because human
beings, I think, are you know,

710
01:04:21.880 --> 01:04:29.559
we're incredibly mimetic beings. We like
to copy what other people are doing.

711
01:04:29.639 --> 01:04:31.480
You know, we look, we
look out and we say, okay,

712
01:04:31.599 --> 01:04:34.440
what what are the people around me? You know, how are they

713
01:04:34.519 --> 01:04:39.280
behaving, how are they dressing?
What are they thinking? I'm going to

714
01:04:39.559 --> 01:04:44.000
basically try to parrot a lot of
those same things, because then that that

715
01:04:44.199 --> 01:04:48.480
validates, you know, sort of
my identity and it situates me within that

716
01:04:48.559 --> 01:04:51.960
community because we are very communal as
a as a species as well. So

717
01:04:53.320 --> 01:04:59.039
I'm bringing these things up because the
stigma is very strongly rooted in this sort

718
01:04:59.079 --> 01:05:02.719
of social you know, pressure to
conform or whatnot. And I think it

719
01:05:02.840 --> 01:05:08.679
just takes a lot of time hammering
it that to get the right people coming

720
01:05:08.800 --> 01:05:15.719
forward who give permission to others just
by virtue of their bravery coming forward like

721
01:05:15.800 --> 01:05:19.599
all of you incredibly brave coming forward
in your communities to be advocates for this,

722
01:05:20.480 --> 01:05:26.280
so that people who see those individuals
can say the more those people do,

723
01:05:26.480 --> 01:05:29.039
that people can see them and say, oh, like, I guess

724
01:05:29.079 --> 01:05:32.599
it is okay for me to be
interested in this, to want to study

725
01:05:32.679 --> 01:05:36.719
this, to be comfortable talking about
and experience I had. I mean,

726
01:05:36.800 --> 01:05:43.880
how many stories have we heard of
individuals that held a story inside for years

727
01:05:43.960 --> 01:05:46.079
and didn't tell anyone about it because
they were so afraid of how they would

728
01:05:46.079 --> 01:05:49.119
be received, right, So it
took so long for some people just to

729
01:05:49.199 --> 01:05:55.440
come forward with their own experience.
So the bravery of individuals like all of

730
01:05:55.519 --> 01:05:59.039
you and the folks that we've already
talked about, the David Greshes, the

731
01:05:59.119 --> 01:06:01.400
Loueli Zondo's Chris Mellans, et cetera, et cetera. These are folks that

732
01:06:01.599 --> 01:06:05.639
help, I think, push this
forward. But it doesn't happen overnight,

733
01:06:05.920 --> 01:06:12.039
and the pushback is very strong,
right we're seeing that in real time right

734
01:06:12.079 --> 01:06:15.119
now, you know, with the
raw report and the you know, there's

735
01:06:15.119 --> 01:06:18.039
nothing to see here and whatever comes
out. It's a funny place that we

736
01:06:18.119 --> 01:06:24.800
find ourselves because at least in the
United States, and you talked about Sweden

737
01:06:24.880 --> 01:06:27.880
and the trust in the government there, it's not that case in the United

738
01:06:27.920 --> 01:06:30.719
States anymore. That the trust in
the government is highly it has been highly

739
01:06:30.800 --> 01:06:34.280
eroded. And so we have a
funny place now where it's like, well,

740
01:06:34.320 --> 01:06:36.920
the government said there's nothing to see
here, but a lot of people

741
01:06:36.960 --> 01:06:42.480
don't trust the government inherently, but
they interestingly want to trust the government on

742
01:06:42.559 --> 01:06:46.079
this particular just one. Yeah,
it's a really perplexing, you know sort

743
01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:49.719
of situation, and I think it
leaves people in a place of confusion really

744
01:06:49.840 --> 01:06:54.440
at the end of the day.
And what will clear up confusion better than

745
01:06:54.440 --> 01:06:58.599
anything else, more facts, more
information, more people who are brave and

746
01:06:58.679 --> 01:07:01.679
coming forward and talking about what they
know, presenting evidence about what they know.

747
01:07:01.880 --> 01:07:04.840
So it's a really long answer to
an amazing question. I don't know

748
01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:08.760
if I did that justice, but
you know, this is these are the

749
01:07:08.880 --> 01:07:13.039
challenges that I see in front of
us, to be able to talk about

750
01:07:13.079 --> 01:07:16.639
this more openly and really further and
push the study of whatever this happens to

751
01:07:16.760 --> 01:07:20.599
be, and make it okay to
be interested in this and try to get

752
01:07:20.679 --> 01:07:26.880
some answers. As Nathan's acolyte,
I am required to agree with everything that

753
01:07:26.960 --> 01:07:30.079
he just said, So no,
I really do. I really do agree

754
01:07:30.199 --> 01:07:36.079
Nathan that it was was brilliantly stated, let's go to uh des Deb's What

755
01:07:36.360 --> 01:07:41.239
are we doing wrong, my friend? We're doing several things wrong. One

756
01:07:41.559 --> 01:07:45.320
was lack of organization that I faced
when I came into the topic. I

757
01:07:45.440 --> 01:07:50.280
feel like people should be able to
go to one place to find information about

758
01:07:50.360 --> 01:07:55.239
everything, and I tried to do
that with the UFO connector. Because all

759
01:07:55.320 --> 01:08:00.079
this information is all over the place. I think not listening to experienceers and

760
01:08:01.079 --> 01:08:05.559
really getting information from them is a
big problem, and the government's still trying

761
01:08:05.639 --> 01:08:12.960
to do that. They're trying to
only go to radar reports or you know,

762
01:08:13.079 --> 01:08:18.159
pilots, but they're not talking to
civilian experiences and then the other really

763
01:08:18.239 --> 01:08:21.520
big one. And I have to
say, this is some of the terminology

764
01:08:21.640 --> 01:08:27.520
we use even repels me. And
I've talked about this before. When people

765
01:08:27.680 --> 01:08:31.319
say zata, reticuli or Nordic,
I'm like, I'm out, like now,

766
01:08:31.479 --> 01:08:35.680
don't like, please don't say those
things like that. That repels me.

767
01:08:36.000 --> 01:08:39.840
So if that repels me, who
knows so much about the topic,

768
01:08:40.239 --> 01:08:43.640
you can imagine people in public would
want to stay away from things like that

769
01:08:43.840 --> 01:08:48.039
too. It has sort of like
a kind of weird religious fervor to it

770
01:08:48.159 --> 01:08:53.840
when people get into things like those
terms. So I really think we should

771
01:08:53.880 --> 01:08:58.199
avoid it. And I've been to
a site that was led by people that

772
01:08:58.319 --> 01:09:01.520
I would have said were very reputable, and they had a whole bunch of

773
01:09:01.600 --> 01:09:05.199
information like that on the site.
And again I was like, ooh,

774
01:09:05.760 --> 01:09:12.880
yeah, no, I'm I'm moving
away now because because those terms, we

775
01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:16.600
don't know for sure that that's what
the people are called, or you know,

776
01:09:16.760 --> 01:09:20.119
you know, people say entities other
I tens of sometimes call them people

777
01:09:20.560 --> 01:09:27.760
we don't know. So we really
should avoid locking ourselves in to terms like

778
01:09:27.880 --> 01:09:30.920
that. Yeah, I had to
say Nordic at least once today. Okay,

779
01:09:31.079 --> 01:09:38.119
I agree. One hundred des because
people will describe these folks as all,

780
01:09:38.199 --> 01:09:42.159
well, they had long hair,
long blonde hair, and translucent skin,

781
01:09:42.279 --> 01:09:45.039
so that must mean they're Nordic.
I don't know. We have a

782
01:09:45.119 --> 01:09:48.640
whole group of them right here,
and none of them have translucent skin or

783
01:09:48.760 --> 01:09:55.520
long blonde hair like like thor so
I don't know. Yeah, it does.

784
01:09:55.640 --> 01:09:59.159
It gets in kind of like a
I don't know, very Tropishuh.

785
01:09:59.279 --> 01:10:01.640
And the same thing, like you
said, was zeta reticuli or using the

786
01:10:01.880 --> 01:10:06.000
et you know, to try to
make it sound less plausible by just saying

787
01:10:06.079 --> 01:10:12.079
et. So yeah, it does
add an unneeded stigma. Uh. But

788
01:10:12.279 --> 01:10:16.079
let's go to a Christian with a
sea with whatever your topic or question is

789
01:10:16.159 --> 01:10:24.039
for the group, sir. Yes, so my topic is. I mean,

790
01:10:24.199 --> 01:10:29.680
when you get into a sudden depth
in the topic, it's quite common

791
01:10:29.880 --> 01:10:34.960
to want to tell the whole world
what you have realized them to spread everything

792
01:10:35.279 --> 01:10:40.319
that you think. And for me, it's really been a journey, and

793
01:10:41.239 --> 01:10:49.640
lately I've gone much more inside and
focused more on personal development and getting strong

794
01:10:49.760 --> 01:10:56.760
in my beliefs and and this is
kind of related to what I talked about

795
01:10:56.800 --> 01:11:02.720
before with this massive amount of information
and also kind of a type of gaslighting

796
01:11:02.760 --> 01:11:11.960
that goes on within the UFO community
as well, where some some type of

797
01:11:12.039 --> 01:11:15.960
information just goes around and around and
whenever reach reach further. So I wanted

798
01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:19.760
to ask you if anyone has been
thinking the same that you've been focusing more

799
01:11:20.359 --> 01:11:25.760
on yourself, or if you have
any ideas or recommendations what you have been

800
01:11:25.800 --> 01:11:29.159
doing, if you've been thinking in
the same way, or is it only

801
01:11:29.279 --> 01:11:35.239
me who's been going more inward recently
and trying to work on myself more than

802
01:11:36.399 --> 01:11:41.199
changing the world. I suspect you're
not the only one. I just want

803
01:11:41.239 --> 01:11:45.039
to say before we go to Berg, just with this question. If you

804
01:11:45.159 --> 01:11:48.880
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805
01:11:49.000 --> 01:11:55.319
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806
01:11:55.359 --> 01:11:58.439
If you would do us that favor, it will help. Pretty soon,

807
01:11:58.720 --> 01:12:02.680
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808
01:12:02.760 --> 01:12:09.000
That's where you will find us.
There will be announcement next month when

809
01:12:09.039 --> 01:12:12.000
we launch over there. They're launching
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810
01:12:12.479 --> 01:12:14.880
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811
01:12:15.560 --> 01:12:17.520
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812
01:12:18.279 --> 01:12:26.079
Let's go on to Beargdis for her
take on Christian's question. Thank you,

813
01:12:26.800 --> 01:12:30.399
sorry, could you sum up the
question speak for the other part? Yeah,

814
01:12:30.439 --> 01:12:36.239
the summary of it, Christian.
The summary is for myself, I've

815
01:12:36.359 --> 01:12:42.359
gone from a place of wanting to
spread the word to all of the word

816
01:12:42.479 --> 01:12:47.640
and to share a lot of information
into focusing on my own journey and it's

817
01:12:47.720 --> 01:12:53.560
no development and getting stronger in my
own beliefs and my own knowledge. And

818
01:12:53.880 --> 01:12:57.039
I wanted to hear if anyone else
has been feeling the same way, and

819
01:12:57.079 --> 01:13:00.319
if you have any recommendations of what
you have been doing it. If so,

820
01:13:01.680 --> 01:13:06.520
or maybe I'm the only one thinking
this way, No, I think

821
01:13:08.319 --> 01:13:16.760
for me this has been there's been
a lot of personal growth because I mean

822
01:13:18.560 --> 01:13:23.880
this is like, as you know, paradigm shifting. This is so huge.

823
01:13:25.000 --> 01:13:29.319
So for me, my mind was
blown and I was at that stage

824
01:13:29.520 --> 01:13:31.600
right And that's why I started a
podcast. I felt like I really had

825
01:13:31.680 --> 01:13:36.279
to share this. I just had
to. And I'm already going out on

826
01:13:36.359 --> 01:13:42.279
my comfort zone just doing the podcast, and but I have this force kind

827
01:13:42.319 --> 01:13:46.079
of within me just driving me forward. I've never been this you know,

828
01:13:47.000 --> 01:13:53.760
passionate about anything, so you know
that also has been huge for me.

829
01:13:55.119 --> 01:13:59.600
But yeah, but yeah, I
agree, I'm there with you for sure.

830
01:14:03.199 --> 01:14:05.640
Okay. Yeah, and I just
saw I actually just saw you very

831
01:14:05.760 --> 01:14:10.560
just about the email. So I'll
get get you added to that so that

832
01:14:10.640 --> 01:14:15.760
you could drop that in there.
Thank you, thank you money Okay,

833
01:14:17.039 --> 01:14:21.479
okay, all right, I'm sorry. So yeah, next person who's out

834
01:14:21.560 --> 01:14:31.680
there, you go. Yeah,
I'm actually going on a on a podcast

835
01:14:31.800 --> 01:14:42.880
here in Denmark and was trying to
educate people about the phenomena because I see

836
01:14:42.920 --> 01:14:51.039
it more when when the tsunami in
Thailand hit people they didn't know about a

837
01:14:51.079 --> 01:14:59.039
tsunami. They went the sea,
went out to the sea, you know,

838
01:14:59.479 --> 01:15:03.319
the shore went out to the sea
and everybody picked up the fish and

839
01:15:03.479 --> 01:15:10.039
then the wave comes booh. And
I don't want that to happen to this

840
01:15:10.399 --> 01:15:19.920
topic. So I want people to
be informed but have their own mind about

841
01:15:20.079 --> 01:15:30.399
what's going on, but be more
informed about the tsunami. And we we

842
01:15:30.560 --> 01:15:40.000
talk about disclosed disclosure, and we
talk about mm hmm, control disclosure and

843
01:15:41.119 --> 01:15:50.439
catastrophic disclosure, and I don't want
the catastrophic disclosure. So I want people

844
01:15:51.279 --> 01:15:56.399
to know what's going on, make
up their own mind and take action.

845
01:15:59.079 --> 01:16:02.920
So it sounds like my my reading
of that is that both Bargas and Christian

846
01:16:02.960 --> 01:16:09.640
are going outside with it as opposed
to looking inside, because they're they're looking

847
01:16:09.720 --> 01:16:14.199
to project this out. But in
the case of Christian it's in a response

848
01:16:14.279 --> 01:16:16.960
a very responsible and careful way,
and with the case of Burgess, it's

849
01:16:17.560 --> 01:16:23.920
the beginning of her journey. So
it's really exciting stuff. Uh let's see,

850
01:16:23.960 --> 01:16:27.920
I think and had you already gone, you hadn't responded to this one,

851
01:16:28.159 --> 01:16:33.840
so go ahead please andress. Yeah, good question. I would say

852
01:16:33.880 --> 01:16:43.079
that the personal growth and spreading the
world word is probably not kind of mutually

853
01:16:43.239 --> 01:16:50.560
exclusive. I would I would say
that once you get in to that you

854
01:16:50.680 --> 01:16:57.039
know mode or knowledge that you have
kind of this epiphany that something going,

855
01:16:57.399 --> 01:17:00.800
something is going on, then I
guess you you you kind of you need

856
01:17:00.880 --> 01:17:05.800
to strip something off, some of
your beliefs something and at that point you

857
01:17:05.880 --> 01:17:12.399
probably need to build something up again, and you might and so I would

858
01:17:12.439 --> 01:17:15.560
say it kind of comes with the
package. So when you get in there

859
01:17:15.720 --> 01:17:19.359
and you kind of you really start
believing this thing and you know, and

860
01:17:19.479 --> 01:17:29.760
it will change something. And I
think that will also inherently kind of make

861
01:17:29.880 --> 01:17:33.359
you grow personally, hopefully, I
think so, I think it happens,

862
01:17:34.039 --> 01:17:40.399
and but I'm I feel that I've
like have a lot of growing to do,

863
01:17:40.479 --> 01:17:45.840
and I always tried to find my
place and I've experienced some kind of

864
01:17:45.920 --> 01:17:50.279
a who who things with when I
was a child, and and for me

865
01:17:50.520 --> 01:17:55.800
like personally, I'm just kind of
how to get those I want to know

866
01:17:55.880 --> 01:18:00.399
what it was. So so both
it's good, right, it can't We

867
01:18:00.640 --> 01:18:03.119
like to say it's not necessarily this, or that it can be this.

868
01:18:03.319 --> 01:18:06.720
End that right. I also want
to say, if any of you as

869
01:18:06.760 --> 01:18:12.439
your starting podcasts and if you need
people to come on and chat with some

870
01:18:12.600 --> 01:18:16.760
of your friends and colleagues, I
am sure that Nathan Debs and myself would

871
01:18:16.760 --> 01:18:20.680
would make ourselves available to engage.
And I also want to say we have

872
01:18:20.880 --> 01:18:29.159
a Cabby Prospect that is part of
our show and is sort of going through

873
01:18:29.199 --> 01:18:35.239
the prospect phase. That's Courtney and
Marcasani and she is in at Inspired Create

874
01:18:35.840 --> 01:18:39.560
TV. I think is how it
is if it helped me out, Nathan,

875
01:18:39.640 --> 01:18:42.640
is that right? Yeah? So
Courtney has something really big going on

876
01:18:42.760 --> 01:18:45.760
today, so hopefully we're gonna hear
about that later, but yeah, she

877
01:18:46.239 --> 01:18:50.479
also would would love to engage with
people and has tons of information like Debs

878
01:18:50.520 --> 01:18:56.640
does. So next is yeah,
oh yeah, we So we're not hitting

879
01:18:56.720 --> 01:19:01.479
good answers. Thank you money,
So for me that will be a negative.

880
01:19:02.039 --> 01:19:06.960
I have not had any personal growth
and I'm not in regards to this

881
01:19:08.079 --> 01:19:12.800
topic. It's not doing any anything
for me like in in that way,

882
01:19:13.760 --> 01:19:17.520
So that's a no. My My
focus is on the future. What's gonna

883
01:19:17.520 --> 01:19:21.479
happen in the future. How are
we gonna get the answers that we need,

884
01:19:23.119 --> 01:19:27.319
what is it, who's operating this, How can we use this technology

885
01:19:27.479 --> 01:19:31.399
to to help make a better world. That's my that's my focus, and

886
01:19:31.479 --> 01:19:39.520
that's where I am very courageous with
your sacrifice I'm sorry, I mean interrupt

887
01:19:39.640 --> 01:19:44.159
very courageous doing this and still being
in government and in fact was in the

888
01:19:44.279 --> 01:19:50.520
room when this EU briefing was happening. So that that's wonderful. Who's next.

889
01:19:51.439 --> 01:19:57.720
Let's see after Christian with the sea, we have Burgess's topic, right,

890
01:19:58.319 --> 01:20:00.079
is that right? Do I have
that right? Yeah? Money,

891
01:20:00.399 --> 01:20:03.439
that's right, and I do have
the video, so if we want to

892
01:20:03.439 --> 01:20:09.039
show that we can do that,
Yeah, this is a video I recorded

893
01:20:09.920 --> 01:20:15.000
on March nineteenth, last year,
twenty twenty three, and my question is

894
01:20:15.399 --> 01:20:18.840
what is this? All right?
Give me one second to put it up

895
01:20:18.880 --> 01:20:33.399
here. It's taken from my balcony
at night and I just spotted something anomalous

896
01:20:33.760 --> 01:20:39.920
and took up my phone. It's
almost out of battery at that point,

897
01:20:40.039 --> 01:20:56.479
so that's why it's a little shaky. But luckily Julie's got the chat.

898
01:20:56.520 --> 01:20:59.359
I've gone full screen, which is
such a better experience for me. Yeah,

899
01:20:59.399 --> 01:21:01.119
this one second. Yeah, sorry, technical issue here real quick.

900
01:21:02.239 --> 01:21:06.880
Yeah, I'm glad that Nathan deals
with this and not I. But in

901
01:21:06.920 --> 01:21:12.399
the meantime, look at his logo
going around the screen. All right,

902
01:21:12.479 --> 01:21:16.000
so here we go. Sure we
get the sound. Here we go.

903
01:21:25.600 --> 01:21:29.000
I don't know. You have to
put the lighting all the way up.

904
01:21:30.399 --> 01:21:35.800
There's actually two black dots, you
see, the one falling down before it

905
01:21:35.960 --> 01:21:43.600
falls down, another one runs into
it. There's one is there one heighten

906
01:21:43.640 --> 01:22:00.760
mal Okay? That's on camera?
Yeah, ok, yeah, it's probably

907
01:22:00.840 --> 01:22:04.159
I don't know if you can see
what's going on. Maybe the quality is

908
01:22:04.279 --> 01:22:12.079
not the best through here. We're
time, okay, And if you watch

909
01:22:12.239 --> 01:22:24.880
from the left, you're gonna see
a black something going into the one.

910
01:22:25.560 --> 01:22:33.920
I don't do you guys see anything
I see now? Yeah, this is

911
01:22:34.079 --> 01:22:45.439
after the collision. Wow, I
saw that. See it? If you

912
01:22:45.560 --> 01:22:49.359
go fast in the beginning, like
backwards and forwards, maybe you can see

913
01:22:49.439 --> 01:22:59.920
the when it hits the one and
then it keeps going. That is pretty

914
01:23:00.039 --> 01:23:06.159
well. I see it now quite
clearly. Yeah. This is one of

915
01:23:06.199 --> 01:23:13.640
the challenges is to be able to
capture these things. It's almost like they

916
01:23:13.680 --> 01:23:18.680
weren't meant to be captured with the
medium that we're using, the digital cameras.

917
01:23:18.720 --> 01:23:23.760
It's much like the best Bigfoot film
ever was shot on like a sixteen

918
01:23:23.800 --> 01:23:30.600
millimeter camera before there were digital cameras, and nobody has replicated that yet.

919
01:23:30.119 --> 01:23:34.560
But I'm glad you got it,
and it probably was pretty spectacular in person,

920
01:23:34.680 --> 01:23:40.000
right, Yeah, for sure.
I mean, and this was just

921
01:23:40.079 --> 01:23:44.880
a coincidence because like two years before
this, I started getting into this and

922
01:23:45.000 --> 01:23:46.520
then I was like, no way. But the thing is, I need

923
01:23:46.640 --> 01:23:53.399
to upload it in good quality because
I've already posted it to Instagram, but

924
01:23:53.479 --> 01:23:59.359
the quality just isn't good enough,
so then you can see better what's going

925
01:23:59.439 --> 01:24:03.159
on there. But to me,
this is anomalous. Yeah, I don't

926
01:24:03.159 --> 01:24:08.000
know, so when you see two
things crash in the air and they don't

927
01:24:08.039 --> 01:24:11.159
call on fire, that's a pretty
good that they're not two aircraft. Right,

928
01:24:12.680 --> 01:24:15.600
No, I don't know. Yeah, you've done good. You've done

929
01:24:15.640 --> 01:24:21.159
good as you can do for having
been surprised and not having a camera set

930
01:24:21.239 --> 01:24:28.840
up right. Yeah, because old
Linda Thompson one shared with me voted a

931
01:24:29.000 --> 01:24:32.960
video taken on a balcony. But
the camera was that's the word I'm looking

932
01:24:33.039 --> 01:24:36.760
for. It was. It was
a pretty good powered camp high powered camera

933
01:24:36.840 --> 01:24:40.800
that was meant for taking shots like
this, and it was on a tripod.

934
01:24:40.960 --> 01:24:45.239
So but anyway, what was your
question, ma'am? For the group?

935
01:24:45.880 --> 01:24:50.159
My question was what is this ah
okay going on? All right?

936
01:24:50.319 --> 01:24:58.720
And who goes after? Who goes
after? It's Christian? Oh that's right,

937
01:24:58.800 --> 01:25:05.039
yea Christian? Okay, yep?
Oh should I answer? Yeah?

938
01:25:05.039 --> 01:25:15.479
Which was I? I see the
videos many times people sending two minutes to

939
01:25:15.680 --> 01:25:23.199
me and uh, like like you
said, d day, it's like everything

940
01:25:23.439 --> 01:25:30.520
it's out of focus or in the
distance or you you haven't got any big

941
01:25:30.640 --> 01:25:38.479
shot you you of a UFO.
It's it's like when you see it with

942
01:25:38.680 --> 01:25:44.039
the naked eye, it's it's it's
pretty wild and crazy. But but if

943
01:25:44.079 --> 01:25:48.279
you take your phone, it's really
crabby and and and then we can take

944
01:25:48.319 --> 01:25:55.760
a talk about technologies in a phone, you know, But but the phone

945
01:25:55.880 --> 01:26:01.920
is it's not a good tool to
two record anything, I think, and

946
01:26:02.319 --> 01:26:08.159
especially not at night. Yeah,
it was a real shame because I'm a

947
01:26:08.199 --> 01:26:13.840
photographer and I have good cameras,
so it was really unfortunate that I just

948
01:26:14.000 --> 01:26:21.239
had a an iPhone almost dying.
So yeah, so sometimes I really wanted

949
01:26:21.640 --> 01:26:30.199
the people that go out and look
at the stars they had a really wild

950
01:26:30.319 --> 01:26:41.279
camera or recording system. But again
we saw that that the phenomena it can

951
01:26:41.640 --> 01:26:49.079
can also be tricky to record.
Yeah, UFO thinker Frank just had somebody

952
01:26:49.159 --> 01:26:57.720
on he was a cab driver that
had some huge black triangle but wasn't able

953
01:26:57.800 --> 01:27:01.840
to capture it on phone. It's
just it's uncanny. It's just Nathan will

954
01:27:01.920 --> 01:27:06.239
probably talk about ontological shock that someone's
going through if they see something like that

955
01:27:06.960 --> 01:27:11.199
before, you know, something like
a black triangle, before you can even

956
01:27:11.520 --> 01:27:14.239
think about getting your camera out.
And I can tell you, guys,

957
01:27:14.279 --> 01:27:18.159
I've heard hundreds of bigfoot experiencers that
said the last thought I had was to

958
01:27:18.239 --> 01:27:24.279
grab my camera when they were in
a class A in front of bigfoot sighting.

959
01:27:24.640 --> 01:27:27.520
But Andreas, what did you think
that was? What's your take,

960
01:27:27.600 --> 01:27:34.199
sir h I wouldn't probably be the
best to analyze that, but but I

961
01:27:34.279 --> 01:27:39.600
would really like to see or love
to see the kind of a row footage

962
01:27:40.039 --> 01:27:44.800
to kind of understand it better.
But I couldn't really comment on on on

963
01:27:44.920 --> 01:27:48.760
what it was. Yeah, just
may be able to to maybe able to

964
01:27:48.920 --> 01:27:54.720
improve that. Yes, sure,
Just I can tell I can send you

965
01:27:54.840 --> 01:27:59.960
a Wheat transfer link so you can
just have a video because it's really spectacular.

966
01:28:00.279 --> 01:28:03.720
And I'm sorry it's uh come that
way on your screen this time,

967
01:28:05.279 --> 01:28:14.039
no worries. I want to see
it too. Yeah. Next is let's

968
01:28:14.039 --> 01:28:19.800
see Christian with the sea. No, I have no comment. Really,

969
01:28:19.960 --> 01:28:26.119
I couldn't really see it, and
I I don't know. Sorry, are

970
01:28:26.159 --> 01:28:29.199
you on the podium at the White
House? John? No, I'm skiddy.

971
01:28:29.840 --> 01:28:36.880
I'm sorry. I have not like
John Kirby. I work in government,

972
01:28:38.079 --> 01:28:41.079
so I know I'm just kidding with
you. I'm just we're gonna have

973
01:28:41.159 --> 01:28:45.119
We're gonna have some fun today.
It's required on cab. Having fun is

974
01:28:45.239 --> 01:28:47.439
part of it. It can't be
all serious. All right, Uh,

975
01:28:47.880 --> 01:28:53.880
let's see next up is Christian with
the Sea. Yes, I would.

976
01:28:54.039 --> 01:28:58.600
I would like to link being sent
so I could watch the road footage would

977
01:28:58.640 --> 01:29:00.720
be interesting I come from to tell
from what I saw on my screen now.

978
01:29:03.119 --> 01:29:06.560
But also on this note, I
think it's interesting what you hear is

979
01:29:06.560 --> 01:29:12.720
often that with all the people running
around with mobile cameras nowadays, there should

980
01:29:12.720 --> 01:29:17.199
be so much great footage. But
in reality this technology is made for taking

981
01:29:17.399 --> 01:29:21.359
close portraits and on. So I
find that it's funny as well. I

982
01:29:21.399 --> 01:29:26.479
could just I just want to add
that as well, but no further comments,

983
01:29:26.520 --> 01:29:31.520
Your honor. Andy mcgrillan talks about
this all the time. He talks

984
01:29:31.560 --> 01:29:40.640
about how that people will aren't even
able to capture great photos of blimps or

985
01:29:40.680 --> 01:29:45.039
aircraft. So you could imagine when
you have something that maybe is popping in

986
01:29:45.119 --> 01:29:48.600
and out of our reality and is
partially visible, but shape shifts. I

987
01:29:48.680 --> 01:29:54.239
mean, there's an enormous amount of
challenges. And by the way, I

988
01:29:54.319 --> 01:29:58.279
did a height well she mine was
in the eighties, but I did a

989
01:29:58.359 --> 01:30:01.399
show last week from my high school
where I had on six different people who

990
01:30:01.439 --> 01:30:05.439
saw black triangles during the nineteen eighties
and nobody has a photo of them,

991
01:30:05.840 --> 01:30:12.119
but they're well well documented and it
includes a hovering over the Indian Point Nuclear

992
01:30:12.199 --> 01:30:15.800
power plant in my town. Uh, let's see. Next up is Christian

993
01:30:15.880 --> 01:30:25.439
with his topic Christian with a K, Sir, Yeah, and now I

994
01:30:25.600 --> 01:30:31.680
have spoken about informing people. How
can we be better to inform people?

995
01:30:32.079 --> 01:30:40.920
And also how can we get the
media to focus more on this topic?

996
01:30:43.600 --> 01:30:50.199
Yeah? Great question that goes to
all roads lead to Andreas. Oh,

997
01:30:50.800 --> 01:31:00.720
that's that's cool. I would say
I would answer a bit the same way

998
01:31:00.840 --> 01:31:08.119
I answered before. I would say
that we would focus on on on getting

999
01:31:08.239 --> 01:31:15.439
like talking about the nuts and bolts
and that part, and and kind of

1000
01:31:15.479 --> 01:31:20.680
getting getting these insiders who's who has
been being in the maybe in the government

1001
01:31:20.760 --> 01:31:28.840
in the know and getting like these
credible sources and kind of going that way.

1002
01:31:30.199 --> 01:31:34.279
Yeah, I would say, with
the exception of with the exception of

1003
01:31:34.720 --> 01:31:41.439
Nate, who's in a position where
it could uh make problems for her.

1004
01:31:42.119 --> 01:31:45.840
Yeah, I think that you know, get in touch with your local official,

1005
01:31:47.000 --> 01:31:50.760
have a meetup at a pub or
restaurant, and when you get enough

1006
01:31:50.880 --> 01:31:56.680
people coming to those meetups, then
invite your member of parliament or your you

1007
01:31:56.760 --> 01:32:00.279
know, the most local official you
can and say hey, this is what

1008
01:32:00.359 --> 01:32:03.439
we've got, and then you start
working from there. They call it grassroots.

1009
01:32:03.840 --> 01:32:06.840
There's one way to call it.
But I think that's the best way

1010
01:32:06.920 --> 01:32:12.520
because once you get a local official
there, or you get a member of

1011
01:32:12.600 --> 01:32:15.720
parliament there, well guess what.
Now you can invite the local television reporter

1012
01:32:15.960 --> 01:32:20.199
or even print reporter to come to
it, or online journalist to come to

1013
01:32:20.319 --> 01:32:25.119
it. And that's that's how it
happens. I mean, there's no other

1014
01:32:25.199 --> 01:32:27.920
way to do it. I mean, other than that you could just email

1015
01:32:28.039 --> 01:32:31.399
somebody, but have meetings. Get
you know, five ten, fifteen,

1016
01:32:31.479 --> 01:32:35.920
twenty, twenty five, thirty thirty
five people to show up to a meeting

1017
01:32:36.039 --> 01:32:41.239
somewhere at a restaurant or a pub
or somewhere, and then invite your local

1018
01:32:41.279 --> 01:32:45.520
official to come and join you.
So that's my take is that everybody,

1019
01:32:45.640 --> 01:32:51.640
Nathan, let's did you want to
have others comment on that question? Oh?

1020
01:32:51.720 --> 01:32:54.119
Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry,
yeah, yeah, please, I'm

1021
01:32:54.119 --> 01:32:57.960
sorry. Yeah. So the next
one is right, not to what do

1022
01:32:58.039 --> 01:33:00.560
you think? Yeah? I think
that the way that we can elevate this

1023
01:33:00.720 --> 01:33:05.760
topic is by restraining ourselves. Is
that the right word? Bye? But

1024
01:33:05.960 --> 01:33:16.600
by being yeah, by being restrictful
and what we say, because one of

1025
01:33:16.640 --> 01:33:23.000
the problems here is that I very
much agree with Andreas. One of the

1026
01:33:23.079 --> 01:33:27.439
issues here is that we want to
find out what UAPs are. But when

1027
01:33:27.520 --> 01:33:29.800
I say to people, you know, I want to find out what this

1028
01:33:30.000 --> 01:33:31.279
is, this is really important.
I want to talk about this topic.

1029
01:33:32.279 --> 01:33:38.800
Sometimes I get answers like yeah and
yeah, and also I also believe in

1030
01:33:38.880 --> 01:33:43.239
ghosts and hot rocks and crystals,
and I go like, well, that's

1031
01:33:43.279 --> 01:33:46.640
not what I'm talking about, and
they're like, there's an automatic link between

1032
01:33:48.000 --> 01:33:54.680
For many people, there's an automatic
link between UFOs, and they automatically start

1033
01:33:54.720 --> 01:33:59.000
talking about ghosts and crystals and hot
rocks and I don't know whatever. But

1034
01:33:59.239 --> 01:34:01.399
the problem is, I don't have
a problem with people, you know,

1035
01:34:01.720 --> 01:34:05.359
thinking this and be interested in this. But if you want to elevate the

1036
01:34:05.399 --> 01:34:11.720
topic, and if we want real
people, scientists, politicians, government officials

1037
01:34:11.800 --> 01:34:15.840
into this topic, we have to
be restrained. We have to show restraint,

1038
01:34:15.880 --> 01:34:17.439
and we have to focus on what
we're actually trying to find out.

1039
01:34:18.039 --> 01:34:21.039
And I'm going to be really unpopular
here but here, but I'm gonna say

1040
01:34:21.039 --> 01:34:25.520
it as it is. I mean, you can't talk to a government official

1041
01:34:25.680 --> 01:34:29.800
and say I want to find out
what about UFOs, but I also want

1042
01:34:29.840 --> 01:34:32.920
to find out about bigfoot because you
can't. You just can't. I mean,

1043
01:34:33.039 --> 01:34:36.000
I know that this is something that
you know is more popular in the

1044
01:34:36.279 --> 01:34:41.279
United States. It's not popular norway
at all. We don't believe in it,

1045
01:34:41.600 --> 01:34:45.239
like not. I mean, I'm
not talking for everyone, but most

1046
01:34:45.279 --> 01:34:50.479
people that's a no go. So
my point is show restraint and get people

1047
01:34:50.600 --> 01:34:55.159
interested by talking about the nuts and
boats and the politics and so on,

1048
01:34:55.359 --> 01:34:59.279
and then further on. You know, people can go down rabbit hole if

1049
01:34:59.319 --> 01:35:04.159
they want, but that's not how
we elevate the topic. And another tip

1050
01:35:04.359 --> 01:35:12.359
is that if you talk to talk
to media, it's best to find someone

1051
01:35:12.479 --> 01:35:15.279
that you think maybe is interested in
the topic. Maybe you can google someone

1052
01:35:15.359 --> 01:35:19.520
and see what other people have talked
about this before in a in a good

1053
01:35:19.600 --> 01:35:25.159
way, in a what you call
it an objective way. So but if

1054
01:35:25.199 --> 01:35:29.479
you just send it to you like
the common mail where everyone gets set it's

1055
01:35:29.520 --> 01:35:33.720
something about you. You don't have
that witness protection or something as well.

1056
01:35:33.800 --> 01:35:38.159
So if you find someone, try
to find one or two people that you

1057
01:35:38.239 --> 01:35:41.600
know can be interested in and work
with them instead. And have a relationship

1058
01:35:41.680 --> 01:35:45.439
with them instead of just saying sending
to see Ann dot com or or whatever.

1059
01:35:45.680 --> 01:35:48.439
Find you know, find people who
you think can be part of this.

1060
01:35:49.119 --> 01:35:55.239
Yeah, I think your advice is
invaluable, Renate, And uh,

1061
01:35:55.399 --> 01:35:59.479
this has been said before that if
you were to bring on a whole slew

1062
01:35:59.680 --> 01:36:03.039
of the experiencers and abductees such that
we might interview on this show and bring

1063
01:36:03.119 --> 01:36:08.199
them before Congress, it would be
I don't want to use the term,

1064
01:36:08.279 --> 01:36:13.039
it would be a blank show.
It would it would detract from the topic.

1065
01:36:13.439 --> 01:36:16.560
So you have to start as much
as people, you know, we

1066
01:36:16.760 --> 01:36:23.399
value experiencers and abductees as much as
we value these government folks that come out.

1067
01:36:23.880 --> 01:36:26.640
You have to start somewhere to get
where you want to go. And

1068
01:36:26.680 --> 01:36:30.720
I think that's what you're saying.
And you have to appear sober and analytical

1069
01:36:30.880 --> 01:36:34.439
and say, there's clearly something here
is being reported by people who have had

1070
01:36:34.560 --> 01:36:41.359
background checks and have gone through processes
to get their jobs, security clearances in

1071
01:36:41.399 --> 01:36:45.159
the like. And even though Bob, who works at the liquor store had

1072
01:36:45.239 --> 01:36:49.039
a genuine experience, that's not the
person that you're going to bring in front

1073
01:36:49.079 --> 01:36:55.760
of Congress. Unfortunately, that they
wouldn't be taken as seriously as David Fraver

1074
01:36:56.039 --> 01:36:59.960
was, which, by the way, I come from a military aviation background.

1075
01:37:00.079 --> 01:37:02.920
I wouldn't be doing this show if
it wasn't for David Fraver because I

1076
01:37:03.079 --> 01:37:06.880
also would not talk about my own
UFO experience when I was a kid.

1077
01:37:08.520 --> 01:37:12.479
I never talked about it until after
I was retired from the Air Force and

1078
01:37:13.920 --> 01:37:15.079
David Fraver came out. I said, well, I guess if he comes

1079
01:37:15.079 --> 01:37:18.880
out and talked about it, I
could talk about it. So it's a

1080
01:37:18.920 --> 01:37:26.800
process. Let's see, we're going
to Christian with the Sea. Yes,

1081
01:37:27.079 --> 01:37:30.760
I agree with what you just said, DJ, and with what Renata said

1082
01:37:30.920 --> 01:37:39.640
pretty much. I think the ball
is rolling, and only like in the

1083
01:37:39.720 --> 01:37:45.920
last week or so, three different
people from around me has contacted me and

1084
01:37:45.119 --> 01:37:49.079
wanted to talk about the topic out
of the blue. And I mean,

1085
01:37:49.159 --> 01:37:55.199
I mean I have quite a big
network as I'm doing some events and DJing

1086
01:37:55.279 --> 01:38:00.640
and no people from all around here, and I'm noticing huge difference in the

1087
01:38:00.720 --> 01:38:05.199
last few months. So I I
think this just needs to take its time

1088
01:38:05.279 --> 01:38:13.640
and run its course. No,
I think the trend is very positive.

1089
01:38:15.000 --> 01:38:20.359
Yeah, I agree. I think
we're in a great place, much as

1090
01:38:20.479 --> 01:38:25.920
it looks kind of dim and dour
right now as a result of the stupid

1091
01:38:26.000 --> 01:38:30.960
report from you know, the group
that we don't trust to be transparent about

1092
01:38:30.039 --> 01:38:35.680
what they know anyway, So I
won't name them here. Uh. Next

1093
01:38:35.880 --> 01:38:43.239
it is Christopher the quay. Oh
no, bird was next, But that's

1094
01:38:43.279 --> 01:38:45.239
okay, you can go. Christ
I think she I think she dropped.

1095
01:38:45.800 --> 01:38:51.560
Oh did she okay? Should I
answer my own question? Oh? That

1096
01:38:51.720 --> 01:38:57.319
was yours his question? Yeah?
No, I mean, if you don't

1097
01:38:57.359 --> 01:39:01.880
mind, I might please. So, I mean I definitely agree with you

1098
01:39:01.920 --> 01:39:04.520
know, Ernante, with your perspective
on this. I think we have to

1099
01:39:05.720 --> 01:39:09.800
It's like sort of know your audience, right, we have to kind of

1100
01:39:09.840 --> 01:39:13.920
meet people where they happen to be, and also acknowledge just what we do

1101
01:39:14.039 --> 01:39:16.159
and what we don't know. There's
a great deal what we what we do

1102
01:39:16.319 --> 01:39:19.560
know is about this big what we
don't know is you know, huge,

1103
01:39:20.039 --> 01:39:27.560
And so let's try to decrease the
amount of ambiguity uncertainty that exists in this

1104
01:39:27.720 --> 01:39:32.520
topic by you know, focusing people
serious people on the subject. But I

1105
01:39:32.560 --> 01:39:38.680
think it's it's also a really confounding
too, because they're they're sort of what

1106
01:39:38.840 --> 01:39:43.520
can we know? These epistemological questions, you know, what what can we

1107
01:39:43.640 --> 01:39:48.039
know about this? And there's there
empirical questions like what can we prove about

1108
01:39:48.079 --> 01:39:51.399
what this happens to be as many
of us are familiar with too. They're

1109
01:39:51.479 --> 01:39:56.920
these like deep onto logical issues like
what what is the basis of reality?

1110
01:39:57.760 --> 01:40:00.960
That that we may be getting wrong
because this is something that is observed but

1111
01:40:01.000 --> 01:40:08.760
doesn't fit nicely into our current onto
logical model. So it's a bit of

1112
01:40:08.840 --> 01:40:14.399
a conundrum in some ways because we're
asking our current model, which seems inadequate,

1113
01:40:14.960 --> 01:40:18.720
to explain something that it doesn't understand. So we basically have to try

1114
01:40:18.760 --> 01:40:25.479
to push the model I think forward
through its own, you know, sort

1115
01:40:25.479 --> 01:40:31.039
of means, but recognizing that its
own means are falling short of understanding what

1116
01:40:31.159 --> 01:40:35.439
it really is. So it requires
a great deal of scientific openness, I

1117
01:40:35.520 --> 01:40:41.560
think, to the mystery and uncertainty
that that just happens to be here.

1118
01:40:41.680 --> 01:40:45.760
I think that we have to be
willing to correct question some of our long

1119
01:40:45.880 --> 01:40:53.199
held assumptions about what reality is how
it behaves, because I think we're going

1120
01:40:53.279 --> 01:40:57.159
to find that we don't have the
whole picture, and we're going to learn

1121
01:40:57.239 --> 01:41:01.199
more as long as we can focus
serious attention on this right and I think,

1122
01:41:02.520 --> 01:41:06.399
you know, you can't get that
serious attention that you need by you

1123
01:41:06.479 --> 01:41:12.359
know, immediately launching into the weird
things that some people hold, you know,

1124
01:41:12.520 --> 01:41:16.880
belief in, very very personally strong
conviction and belief, you know,

1125
01:41:16.960 --> 01:41:19.960
because it's you're just going to lose
people. You know, you're going to

1126
01:41:20.039 --> 01:41:26.159
lose people right away and they won't
listen. And so but you know the

1127
01:41:26.239 --> 01:41:28.479
other thing I'll say about that though, I think that and we kind of

1128
01:41:28.560 --> 01:41:33.680
talked about personal growth earlier. You
know, one of the things that this

1129
01:41:33.800 --> 01:41:39.560
topic has done for me personally is
that it has allowed me to, I

1130
01:41:39.640 --> 01:41:45.039
think, meet people where they really
are. Because you can go through life

1131
01:41:46.600 --> 01:41:54.399
really kind of guarding who you are
and and and protecting the vision or the

1132
01:41:55.560 --> 01:41:59.039
the way people perceive you. You
know, you're really masking like who you

1133
01:41:59.159 --> 01:42:01.800
really are, and we all have
masks that we wear. And so I

1134
01:42:01.880 --> 01:42:09.399
think this topic has allowed me to
to be more open with with with where

1135
01:42:09.479 --> 01:42:13.399
I'm actually at, but also be
more open to where people are and not

1136
01:42:13.600 --> 01:42:17.600
kind of come at them with a
you know, your your experience is so

1137
01:42:17.880 --> 01:42:23.079
weird to me that it can't be
real. So I'm just going to immediately

1138
01:42:23.199 --> 01:42:28.880
kind of wall it off from you
know, from my ability to connect with

1139
01:42:28.960 --> 01:42:32.640
you. So it's it's really challenging. It challenges I think those the ways

1140
01:42:32.680 --> 01:42:38.800
in which we relate to each other, and I think it makes me I'm

1141
01:42:38.840 --> 01:42:42.399
hoping it makes me more more humble
and kind of just you know, acknowledging

1142
01:42:42.479 --> 01:42:45.840
that I don't have all the answers
and you know, I don't have the

1143
01:42:45.920 --> 01:42:47.399
monopoly on the truth, and I
want to. I want to hear from

1144
01:42:47.399 --> 01:42:53.439
as many people as possible understand what
their experiences are like of of the world,

1145
01:42:53.479 --> 01:42:58.760
because that I think makes me a
better person. You know, I

1146
01:42:59.079 --> 01:43:01.439
don't have a choice but to personally
grow because I talk to Nathan every week,

1147
01:43:01.960 --> 01:43:05.680
so I you know, I just
have to. But I'm gonna share

1148
01:43:05.720 --> 01:43:10.119
with you guys in our group chat
that we have now that we're all connected

1149
01:43:10.199 --> 01:43:16.319
on X a masterpiece of a podcast
between our friend who's been on the show,

1150
01:43:16.880 --> 01:43:20.159
Matt Napp of Bigfoot Crossroads, who
talks to a guy named Steve,

1151
01:43:20.960 --> 01:43:27.000
and Steve does not identify himself fully. He is an immunogeneticist. If I

1152
01:43:27.159 --> 01:43:30.840
understand, he's UH at the University
of Florida, but he is from the

1153
01:43:31.039 --> 01:43:35.960
foothills of Appalachia, so he's both
a scientist. He has also grown up

1154
01:43:36.000 --> 01:43:42.199
in a place where lore is prevalent, and he has had a UAP sighting.

1155
01:43:43.079 --> 01:43:46.239
On this show, on Bigfoot Crossroads, they talk about the phenomenon,

1156
01:43:46.279 --> 01:43:50.119
they really don't talk about Bigfoot really
until the end of it. Really,

1157
01:43:50.439 --> 01:43:57.560
he's talking about the phenomenon that we
would call UAP and he's gonna discuss.

1158
01:43:57.680 --> 01:44:00.640
So I'm gonna share that with you. What we know and what we think

1159
01:44:00.760 --> 01:44:06.000
we know, and what we understand
and how much we really don't understand.

1160
01:44:06.319 --> 01:44:11.279
But he puts it in a way
that is brilliant, and I call that

1161
01:44:11.399 --> 01:44:15.960
episode a masterpiece. And I've basically
shared it with everybody I know who studies

1162
01:44:15.000 --> 01:44:20.880
the phenomenon, because Matt is a
brilliant interviewer, much more brilliant than I'll

1163
01:44:21.000 --> 01:44:26.720
ever be, and Steve is a
brilliant thinker about the topic. So I'll

1164
01:44:26.760 --> 01:44:29.920
share that with you, guys,
and I recommend you listen to part one

1165
01:44:30.439 --> 01:44:34.119
of the Hybrids with Steve and have
him listen to his thoughts on the phenomenon.

1166
01:44:34.720 --> 01:44:40.600
Debs, ma'am, what are your
thoughts on what we're discussing here.

1167
01:44:41.119 --> 01:44:45.359
All Right, So the media was
mentioned, and there are some interesting things

1168
01:44:45.439 --> 01:44:48.560
that I want to point out about
the media. One, obviously, some

1169
01:44:48.760 --> 01:44:55.720
of those newspapers are owned by people
like Amazon or have contracts with people like

1170
01:44:55.840 --> 01:45:01.119
the CIA, so a lot of
people call on to question what they're going

1171
01:45:01.199 --> 01:45:06.239
to print anyway, right, But
frankly, if we don't provide news,

1172
01:45:06.880 --> 01:45:11.640
like obviously this is a long standing
topic, it's been going on a long

1173
01:45:11.760 --> 01:45:15.319
time. If we don't have news
on it, like an update like a

1174
01:45:15.439 --> 01:45:19.680
hearing, for instance, they're not
going to report it because they're just telling

1175
01:45:19.760 --> 01:45:24.319
everyone what everyone already knows. UFOs
have been seen for a long time,

1176
01:45:24.560 --> 01:45:30.079
and that's not something that's going to
sell their newspaper or whatever. But I

1177
01:45:30.159 --> 01:45:35.359
also want to point out an issue
that I've noticed with journalism. It's copy

1178
01:45:35.479 --> 01:45:41.920
and paste journalism happening quite a bit. And when you go to Google now

1179
01:45:42.119 --> 01:45:46.640
to find something new, it gets
buried by those copy and paste articles.

1180
01:45:46.960 --> 01:45:51.279
So literally you'll go, I want
to know something new about the IMADS that

1181
01:45:51.399 --> 01:45:56.359
was just mentioned. I want to
find out and there's fifty of the same

1182
01:45:56.560 --> 01:46:01.640
articles about the first report on the
knimds, and it's almost like it's not

1183
01:46:01.920 --> 01:46:09.199
helpful to have the news cover it
sometimes because they're covering up other pieces of

1184
01:46:09.279 --> 01:46:13.520
information. It used to take me
to like the tenth page on Google to

1185
01:46:13.720 --> 01:46:17.960
find something because there are so many
copy and paste articles of the same thing.

1186
01:46:19.079 --> 01:46:24.199
And then the final point is that
nowadays we're making our own media,

1187
01:46:25.359 --> 01:46:29.039
and there's nothing wrong with that.
Social media is very, very powerful.

1188
01:46:29.880 --> 01:46:32.119
We cannot understate that a lot of
the news that I get is from going

1189
01:46:32.199 --> 01:46:36.560
on social media. I don't buy
newspapers and that you know a lot of

1190
01:46:36.720 --> 01:46:43.800
people don't nowadays. So if you're
making content that people are accessing, you

1191
01:46:44.000 --> 01:46:49.840
are a part of media now soh
yeah, Debs, And you know,

1192
01:46:50.520 --> 01:46:55.920
everybody that knows me knows that I
am not a conspiracy theorist. And I

1193
01:46:56.039 --> 01:47:00.239
also agree with David Grush that there
has been a seventy eighty year campaign to

1194
01:47:00.399 --> 01:47:05.479
just enfranchise the American people of the
knowledge of what we had and what we

1195
01:47:05.600 --> 01:47:12.560
knew a know about the phenomenon.
So but I am not a conspiracy theorist

1196
01:47:12.600 --> 01:47:16.159
by nature. I don't think that
everything is a conspiracy. This clearly kind

1197
01:47:16.239 --> 01:47:21.840
of is. And you know,
when Richard Dolan says that the mainstream media

1198
01:47:23.079 --> 01:47:29.239
is not taking this seriously and they're
not there and maybe what's the word I

1199
01:47:29.319 --> 01:47:32.359
want to say, they are being
told by certain elements within the government.

1200
01:47:32.439 --> 01:47:35.840
Hey, you know, maybe if
you don't talk about this, you'll be

1201
01:47:35.960 --> 01:47:41.079
getting the next story that comes out. I'm going to contact you first with

1202
01:47:41.159 --> 01:47:45.680
this information. I'm starting to believe
that there's something in that. Nathan,

1203
01:47:45.439 --> 01:47:49.399
would you concur with that? Yeah, I think that's right. I mean,

1204
01:47:49.439 --> 01:47:55.359
I think that the large media outlets, the New York Times, et

1205
01:47:55.399 --> 01:48:00.119
cetera. I mean, they absolutely
have internal contacts within the agencies and they

1206
01:48:00.239 --> 01:48:04.960
want to protect those sources. And
if those sources are not being very forthcoming

1207
01:48:05.279 --> 01:48:11.840
on this topic and or may withhold
their further input on other topics of interest

1208
01:48:11.920 --> 01:48:15.560
for that newspaper, then yeah,
it's a way to control the narrative.

1209
01:48:15.560 --> 01:48:19.600
I mean, it's I think it's
pretty well accepted right now that the mainstream

1210
01:48:19.720 --> 01:48:25.000
media is, at least the United
States. I can't speak to the media

1211
01:48:25.079 --> 01:48:29.680
that exists in the Scandinavian countries.
It may be much better at this,

1212
01:48:30.039 --> 01:48:38.000
but the mainstream US media is very
much kind of a estatize and that's not

1213
01:48:38.039 --> 01:48:41.800
the word I'm looking for. It's
whitewashed in a way. It's very clean

1214
01:48:42.000 --> 01:48:45.079
in terms of what it presents,
and it has an agenda and how it

1215
01:48:45.159 --> 01:48:49.399
presents certain things, and sometimes that
agenda is patently wrong. I mean,

1216
01:48:49.439 --> 01:48:53.840
it parents the state in many instances. And you know, you can just

1217
01:48:53.920 --> 01:48:58.920
look at history and find that years
later on looking back, whatever that fact

1218
01:48:59.039 --> 01:49:03.239
that was being you know, spread
by that paper or whatever happened to be

1219
01:49:03.560 --> 01:49:08.560
wrong and it was just there were
a mouthpiece for the government at that point.

1220
01:49:10.000 --> 01:49:14.159
Again, this speaks of the tricky
nature of just understanding what's really happening

1221
01:49:14.199 --> 01:49:17.239
in our world because we we we
have examples where this has taken place,

1222
01:49:17.439 --> 01:49:21.760
so that then immediately seeds further distrust. And in these institutions, are they

1223
01:49:21.840 --> 01:49:26.119
telling the truth? Sometimes absolutely,
Maybe they're telling the truth most of the

1224
01:49:26.199 --> 01:49:30.039
time. Our ability to parse that
truth from fiction, you know, from

1225
01:49:30.079 --> 01:49:35.199
propaganda is really really challenging. It's
even more challenging today than it probably has

1226
01:49:35.319 --> 01:49:41.640
ever been because it's just so easy
to spread information in the world now and

1227
01:49:42.399 --> 01:49:45.680
you know that that whole saying a
lie can get around the world, you

1228
01:49:45.760 --> 01:49:47.880
know, ten times before the truth
can. And I'm going to buych that

1229
01:49:48.039 --> 01:49:53.359
saying, but you know, lies
spread very quickly. Did I add something

1230
01:49:53.439 --> 01:49:56.239
to that real quick? Like,
I just want to point out that a

1231
01:49:56.279 --> 01:50:00.720
lot of people are taking opeds as
news and if you notice a lot of

1232
01:50:00.920 --> 01:50:06.720
what's actually circulating in terms of articles
are opinion pieces. They're not news,

1233
01:50:08.359 --> 01:50:13.840
like and that's happening on shows too, news that's right. What do they

1234
01:50:13.920 --> 01:50:17.600
call those those people? Not reporters? The pundits? You know, they're

1235
01:50:17.640 --> 01:50:23.319
they're just giving their opinions. They're
not giving news anymore. So that's a

1236
01:50:23.359 --> 01:50:27.239
great point. I mean a lot
of these sort of newsrooms have had their

1237
01:50:28.199 --> 01:50:32.359
you know, staff dramatically reduced,
Like our ability to go and do classic

1238
01:50:33.039 --> 01:50:40.520
boots on the ground, hard nosed
reporting getting information is like greatly diminished now,

1239
01:50:41.680 --> 01:50:45.920
so we were left with people just
who don't want to share their opinions,

1240
01:50:45.960 --> 01:50:49.920
and then they regurgitate those opinions across
other outlets. And you see that

1241
01:50:50.439 --> 01:50:54.479
in this topic quite a lot,
you know whatever, Like the big headline

1242
01:50:54.520 --> 01:50:57.840
happens to be a lot of like
you said, copy paste that gets put

1243
01:50:57.920 --> 01:51:00.800
in put into other public hate and
then that's the story. There's not like

1244
01:51:01.439 --> 01:51:05.720
independent people who are pursuing that topic
separately. They're just kind of borrowing from

1245
01:51:05.760 --> 01:51:12.119
each other's homework. And before we
go with we're going to give everyone a

1246
01:51:12.199 --> 01:51:15.079
chance to promote their channel. I
just want to say I heard this,

1247
01:51:15.199 --> 01:51:18.680
and again I'm not given to conspiracy
theories, but when I heard this,

1248
01:51:19.239 --> 01:51:25.039
it caught me off guard. Don't
quote me on the statistic, but I'm

1249
01:51:25.079 --> 01:51:28.319
gonna go out on a limb and
say that drug companies are not allowed to

1250
01:51:28.399 --> 01:51:32.600
advertise on anyone's television on this panel
except for Deb's, Nathan and myself,

1251
01:51:33.520 --> 01:51:39.199
And if I'm right about that,
I heard a statistic on it, actually

1252
01:51:39.319 --> 01:51:42.880
from a guy on the network that
we're going to on Untold Radio network that

1253
01:51:43.039 --> 01:51:48.279
said that seventy percent of cable news
ad revenue comes from drug companies. So

1254
01:51:49.119 --> 01:51:53.680
I don't know what that means,
but it does mean that they certainly could

1255
01:51:53.840 --> 01:51:58.960
have potential influence on what they want
to come out and what they don't want

1256
01:51:59.000 --> 01:52:02.439
to come out. Know how that
manifests itself, But just just ruminate on

1257
01:52:02.520 --> 01:52:06.880
that a little bit. I'll let
us begin with Andreas. Please tell the

1258
01:52:06.960 --> 01:52:11.720
audience where they can find you and
how people can connect with you. Anything

1259
01:52:11.760 --> 01:52:15.920
you want to promote. Well,
I don't really have anything much more than

1260
01:52:16.520 --> 01:52:23.680
my account on on X and can
I think my handle there is and that's

1261
01:52:23.720 --> 01:52:27.399
son. Yes, it should be
on the screen right now. Andreas come

1262
01:52:27.439 --> 01:52:31.800
on, yeah, well that's that's
me all right. You can see if

1263
01:52:31.840 --> 01:52:34.880
you want to find Andreas, you
can find him. We have tagged him

1264
01:52:34.880 --> 01:52:40.479
in all of the cab promos for
this episode. That's how you can find

1265
01:52:40.560 --> 01:52:42.960
and ats and yeah, it's very
cool. It sounds very sort of,

1266
01:52:43.680 --> 01:52:51.319
you know, very finish anyway,
Renate, h yeah, so I have

1267
01:52:51.479 --> 01:52:55.840
nothing really, Yeah, yeah,
of course I can. I can promote

1268
01:52:55.880 --> 01:53:06.079
my my ex account which you can
see here. Yes, And of course,

1269
01:53:06.199 --> 01:53:10.840
if there are any Norwegians listening to
this, of course you have to

1270
01:53:10.880 --> 01:53:15.560
become a member of UFL Norway.
It's really important. We need those memberships

1271
01:53:16.600 --> 01:53:20.159
so that we can do projects.
You know, some projects are not for

1272
01:53:20.279 --> 01:53:26.920
free, so we really we really
need more members. And I guess the

1273
01:53:27.000 --> 01:53:29.960
last thing I would want to say
is just I want to promote people just

1274
01:53:30.159 --> 01:53:34.119
being nice to one another one X. Just honestly, just keep your eyes

1275
01:53:34.319 --> 01:53:38.479
on the target, really eyes on
the target. You know, when you

1276
01:53:38.600 --> 01:53:43.319
get Sean Kirkpatrick, you know,
whatever people are arguing just let it go.

1277
01:53:43.760 --> 01:53:45.880
Just let it go. It's it's
not important. Eyes on the target.

1278
01:53:46.279 --> 01:53:50.439
Thank you ignore him? Yeah,
and also shout out to my homies

1279
01:53:50.479 --> 01:53:57.720
at garden Mown Air Base. Uh
uh. And also a War two tour

1280
01:53:57.840 --> 01:54:06.119
hired doll my man. All right, Next is yeah Christian. Yes,

1281
01:54:06.560 --> 01:54:15.920
so you can find our network UAP
Sweden on all social media and if anyone

1282
01:54:15.079 --> 01:54:19.920
for some reason is interested in me
and what I'm doing. Besides that,

1283
01:54:20.479 --> 01:54:26.760
you can also find me anywhere under
my name Christian Seance, simple as that.

1284
01:54:28.199 --> 01:54:31.880
What a cool name. Man awesome. Next I Beard just laughs,

1285
01:54:31.880 --> 01:54:40.039
So Christian was okay, yeah,
you can find me an x on updb

1286
01:54:40.880 --> 01:54:47.760
official. But yeah, I run
the UAP database as you can see and

1287
01:54:47.960 --> 01:54:56.760
my title here and I put up
everything from news books into use, everything

1288
01:54:56.880 --> 01:55:02.560
new on the topic, and if
anybody is interestry in the topic, then

1289
01:55:02.640 --> 01:55:11.039
they can go there. If anybody
is in demmate listening to this that I

1290
01:55:11.239 --> 01:55:19.039
have this private Facebook group called the
Danish UFO group. Yeah, just a

1291
01:55:19.159 --> 01:55:24.119
question. How many of you on
the panels speak another person on the panel's

1292
01:55:24.199 --> 01:55:27.880
language? Oh, beg, this
is back, So how many people speak

1293
01:55:27.880 --> 01:55:33.359
another person's language on the panels?
All of us ven Scott norn Scott.

1294
01:55:35.199 --> 01:55:39.920
Yeah, I can understand. I
can understand Swedish and Danish and we can

1295
01:55:41.159 --> 01:55:43.960
yeah, I can, I can
understand them. The funny thing is,

1296
01:55:44.039 --> 01:55:46.960
though that the Danish, if you
speak Norwegian to Danish, they will go

1297
01:55:47.119 --> 01:55:54.279
can you speak English please? You
always do that, but we understand them,

1298
01:55:54.359 --> 01:55:57.039
like almost perfectly. So if someone's
tough Danish to me, I'm like,

1299
01:55:57.119 --> 01:55:59.399
yeah, I understand you, and
I speak to them and they're like,

1300
01:55:59.520 --> 01:56:06.239
can you please speak English? Rivalries
die hard. All right, let's

1301
01:56:06.319 --> 01:56:11.000
go and beg this. Welcome back, my friend. Uh, do you

1302
01:56:11.119 --> 01:56:15.720
have anything that you'd like to promote
or anywhere that people can and should find

1303
01:56:15.800 --> 01:56:21.520
you? Okay, So I do
have a Twitter account uap Iceland, but

1304
01:56:21.560 --> 01:56:28.479
I'm not very active on there.
I'm mostly on Instagram and it's uap iceland

1305
01:56:29.239 --> 01:56:32.399
and that's where I you know,
post when I've you know, released new

1306
01:56:32.520 --> 01:56:38.119
episodes, only three out but more
to come. I have one with Christian

1307
01:56:38.239 --> 01:56:43.439
van Heist coming out in the next
two weeks that I recorded with him in

1308
01:56:43.600 --> 01:56:47.680
Amsterdam. So that was a good
conversation and yeah, just thank you so

1309
01:56:47.800 --> 01:56:51.560
much for having me. You are
welcome. Is it in English? Will

1310
01:56:51.600 --> 01:56:56.479
I be able to listen or what
language is it in? Yes, the

1311
01:56:56.600 --> 01:57:00.159
first two episodes are in Icelandic,
but then I have an episode with Vinnie

1312
01:57:00.159 --> 01:57:04.159
Adams which is episode number three.
I went to Sheffield and sat down with

1313
01:57:04.279 --> 01:57:11.600
him, and then Christine van Heist
will be in English also coming out very

1314
01:57:11.680 --> 01:57:15.439
soon. Awesome. I'm going to
go watch those. That is awesome.

1315
01:57:15.680 --> 01:57:19.720
Let's go with Kabby goodbyes beginning with
Debs. Thank you so much for coming

1316
01:57:20.000 --> 01:57:25.159
and sharing about your countries. I
think it's incredible when we can do this.

1317
01:57:25.359 --> 01:57:30.880
I hope that we do more in
the future and learn to start sharing

1318
01:57:30.960 --> 01:57:33.880
everything that we have, because if
you show the full force of all of

1319
01:57:33.960 --> 01:57:40.399
the information at once, it becomes
very difficult for someone to pretend nothing's going

1320
01:57:40.439 --> 01:57:45.039
on. So thank you. Yeah, I just want to say huge thank

1321
01:57:45.039 --> 01:57:48.880
you as well. Just so inspired
by all of you and the work that

1322
01:57:48.960 --> 01:57:54.520
you're doing and how well spoken you
are for this subject. I mean,

1323
01:57:54.800 --> 01:57:58.680
you're just the perfect champions for this, and I really want to encourage you

1324
01:57:58.800 --> 01:58:01.319
for what you to continue doing what
you're doing in your areas, and it's

1325
01:58:01.359 --> 01:58:04.840
just I mean, it's amazing to
me we can even have this conversation that

1326
01:58:04.960 --> 01:58:09.439
this is happening and we can be
connected in this way. It's really exciting.

1327
01:58:09.479 --> 01:58:11.840
So I do hope we get to
do more of this and I look

1328
01:58:11.880 --> 01:58:14.920
forward to hearing updates on what all
of you're working on the next time we

1329
01:58:15.000 --> 01:58:20.560
get together. Yeah, I echo
the sentiments of my brilliant co hosts who

1330
01:58:21.119 --> 01:58:24.600
just knocked it out of the park
again today along with all of you.

1331
01:58:24.800 --> 01:58:28.920
It was fascinating to hear your perspectives. If you need any of us to

1332
01:58:29.760 --> 01:58:33.079
come on and have a conversation with
you and your friends or colleagues, let

1333
01:58:33.199 --> 01:58:39.960
us know we'd be happy to contribute. And yeah, it was just an

1334
01:58:40.000 --> 01:58:43.920
honor for you guys to come and
bring these perspectives that we haven't heard a

1335
01:58:44.000 --> 01:58:47.880
whole group of folks that represent Scandinavia
come on and represent so well. I

1336
01:58:48.039 --> 01:58:53.399
know that everyone in Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and Iceland and Finland are

1337
01:58:53.520 --> 01:58:57.880
just going to be you know,
they're just gonna be so proud of how

1338
01:58:57.920 --> 01:59:04.000
you've represented the your respective countries today. So thank you again for honoring us

1339
01:59:04.479 --> 01:59:08.920
with your presence. Julie, thank
you so much in the chat, for

1340
01:59:09.039 --> 01:59:12.079
doing what you do every time,
and for all of you that came and

1341
01:59:12.159 --> 01:59:15.319
hung out with us. You can
find us on We do have a Facebook

1342
01:59:15.920 --> 01:59:23.239
Calling All Beings Facebook page now and
of course we are at calling beings on

1343
01:59:24.079 --> 01:59:29.680
Twitter, and you know we have
our respective Twitter handles here on screen for

1344
01:59:29.880 --> 01:59:33.720
you. So yeah, give us
a like, give us a subscribe,

1345
01:59:33.760 --> 01:59:42.760
That's all we ask. And on
behalf of Andreas, renatee Bergdas Christian and

1346
01:59:42.960 --> 01:59:48.479
Christian Debs and Nathan. This is
DJ saying peace out, one love well,

1347
01:59:48.560 --> 01:59:51.760
thank you on the road. We
always wonder what's up around the bend

1348
01:59:51.800 --> 02:00:18.760
because we don't know. Thank you, Bye bye, old old day. Be your