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Second hour of the program. Welcome
back ex Susan Bros. Throughout the Great

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State of Michigan. I' Matt Shepard, Trent Vallely is our producer, and

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Sports Radio to twenty one thousand to also

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get involved in case you missed it. Yesterday, Tigers win another one run

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affair and they beat the Dodgers win
the series from the Dodgers. Really impressive

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for Detroit. By the way,
Justin Henry molloy another pinch hit. So

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I mean there's some correct buttons being
pushed by what I consider to be a

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really good manager in aj Hinch.
And I'm not saying he deserves all the

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credit, but he gets a lot
of blame when pitching chain don't work out,

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when pitch hitters don't work out.
But Zach McKinstry had happened the other

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day, right, it happened the
other day with Andy A. Banyez,

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And it happened yesterday with Justin Henry
malloy. So credit where credit is due,

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and Detroit hits the All Star break
three games under five hundred, but

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having won three straight series and eight
of ten games overall. Their first round

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draft pick eleventh overall is Bryce Rayner, a shortstop from Harvard Westlake High School

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who is committed to Texas. MLB
All Star festivities begin tonight in Texas.

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Carlos Alcarez wins the Wimbledon Championship in
straight sets. Just out of curiosity.

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I ever noticed other tournaments call it
the men's final, and at Wimbledon Trent

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they called the Gentleman's Final. Yeah, I love that, just one little

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subtle thing. It's a little subtle
detail that makes Wimbledon a cut above the

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rest. That seems like you gotta
wear white. It's played on grass,

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It's a beautiful spectacle. Do you
say when you say a cut above,

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do you mean that? Sincerely?
Are you being snarky there? Oh,

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I'm sincere And I'm a tennis fan
too. I just Wimbledon definitely feels different,

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more prestigious. I've become more of
a tennis fan. I think it's

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I think there's a lot of pompous
belief there, the whole Gentleman's Final,

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like there's so much better than everybody
else. Well that I don't mind the

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white, I really don't. I
don't mind the wearing all white. I

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think it looks really cool and classy
and so on and so forth. Although

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you see people in the stands with
baseball hats and a lot of them warm

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backwards, which to me doesn't bother
me. But it just goes against the

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whole snootiness of what Wimbledon almost stands
for. I'm sure it is the most

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prestigious, just like I would guess
the Masters is the most prestigious. That's

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a great comparison, you know.
I don't know, man, I just

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there's something about the whole oh and
gentleman's final, like I can understand that

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pious. It's just anyway, Alcarez
was unbelievable, Yes, and what I

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tweeted this out, What a what
a way for Djokovic who lost in straight

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sets in case people were wondering,
And he's he's only lost in straight sets

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in a Grand Slam final, like
I don't know, four or five times

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total anyway, and one of them
was to Alcarez before, so it's happened

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twice to him and al Choris is
four and oh Grand Slam finals, But

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uh, what a way? For
him to on the postmatch interview give credit

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where credit is due, and I
tweeted, you know, Rory McElroy could

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could learn something here. Now it
is a different situation and it's not like

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Djokovic is going to walk off the
course, jump into what's round car and

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say goodbye. Right. McElroy did
that but at the US Open. But

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you know he was sitting there waiting
and watching it finally happen for Deshambo.

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He was only a group ahead of
him. Though, I don't want to

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continually go back and rip on Rory
McElroy, who did not win the Scottish

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Open by the way over the weekend. I just I thought it's something that

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I tweeted out and I thought Djokovic
was very classy in the way he handled

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his defeat. Robert McIntyre, speaking
of that, wins the Scottish Open birdie's

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on eighteen I think it was about
an eighteen to twenty foot maybe a twenty

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two foot birdie putt. He's the
first native scott to win his country's Open

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title since Color Montgomery in nineteen ninety
nine, and just the second ever so

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to finish at eighteen under par.
Pretty impressive. And a lot of emotion

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there, which I thought was and
it was just fantastic. So good for

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him. Now they get ready for
the British Open. It's coming up,

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it's coming up quickly. I don't
know if he becomes one of those guys

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who is the favorite or not.
But it was a great story. That's

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one of the things that you got
to remember from McElroy in case you were

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wondering, finished tied for fourth.
The highest Americans were Sahithi Gala and Colin

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Morikawa. They were both at fourteen
hundred park Okay. Over the weekend I

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noticed this. ESPN Plus had written
a story about the best bargains and those

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who overpaid in basketball for the NBA
free agency. They wondered why certain players

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were picked up by certain teams for
a certain amount of money, so for

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best bargains on the market, they
felt Chris paul Out a one year,

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ten and a half million dollar deal
going to the San Antonio Spurs was a

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really good deal. Caleb Martin for
the Sixers four years, thirty two million,

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eight million in additional unlikely bonuses was
a good pickup for Philly, all

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right. A couple others too that
you probably don't care about which extensions were

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good value. Jonathan Isaac for Orlando. And then they have most head scratching

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deals, one of them Caleb Martin
former team Miami after he turned down a

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lucrative deal from Miami, and a
couple others. And here's one that involves

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the Pistons, Tobias Harris a two
year, fifty two million dollar deal.

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This is what made us scratch our
head two. Okay, we also prefaced

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it by saying, look, not
good in the postseason, but he is

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not going to be in the postseason
with Detroit. Sorry, I mean that's

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you can call it negative. You
can say, oh, you're being a

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hater and all that other stuff.
That's fine. Yeah, this just in

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shep. You should not bet the
ranch on the Pistons to do any sort

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of make any sort of noise in
the playoffs. You're not making up twenty

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two games, right, You're just
not. I mean it's a lot.

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Look, I think the NBA playoffs, I think there's too many teams anyway,

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all right, there's ten teams they
got the play in and all this

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other stuff. You had a team
that was ten games under five hundred,

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the Atlanta Hawks, make the playoffs
or the tournament if you will. Why

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people think more is better is beyond
me. I'm one of the rare guys,

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one of the few guys who didn't
want the twelve team college football playoffs

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system either. I think less is
more for me. Okay, now doesn't

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mean I can't change my mind.
You could sway me. You can change

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my mind. Is it a quality
over quantity thing for you? Yeah?

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It really like I don't who wants
to see the Bulls or the Hawks in

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the playoffs last year? Both teams
well under five hundred just not deserving as

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far as I'm concerned. And you
may say, well, in the West,

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that means you would have taken two
teams out Sacramento and Golden State who

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were ten games above five hundred.
Look, I just I don't think there's

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nothing redeeming there. There just isn't. Now what's the right number? Great

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question? Does it really make much
of a difference if two teams are not

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there that play in game? If
you will Sacramento and Golden State, Chicago

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and Atlanta, how does it hurt
to have another game? Give them?

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Everybody should know it's just a money
grab. How do you not know that

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there's nothing redeeming about that. I'm
sorry anyway, So we know that's not

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going to happen, okay, but
we do know that it was a little

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bit of an odd dare I say, unique and strange pickup for the Detroit

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Pistons. Here's what they write.
His contract is a rich one, especially

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when there were no teams outside of
Detroit willing to throw big money at the

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former six Ers forward. The Kouter
argument is Detroit had to spend ninety percent

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of its salary cap to reach the
minimum salary four. That's not why you

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do it. Don't get me wrong. Harris fits the timeline of the Pistons

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trying to compete now really while also
preserving flexibility in the near future. Averaged

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seventeen points a game without EMBIID.
He shot thirty two and a half percent

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from deep. Do you agree with
that? That's I think that when it

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boils down, Chep, that's what
it is. He's a good three point

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shooter. You put them around Kate
and the Pistons had to spend their money

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somewhere, and you team them with
a couple of other three point shooters who

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you've just picked up, including Tim
Harroway Junior. That should help when we

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come back though, because we're up
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This Pistons projection, for example,
I found it. I did find

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it very interesting yesterday. Have you
seen how the Yankees have struggled as of

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late? By the way, Trent
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been. It's been a problem for
him. They found a different way to

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lose yesterday. This when I when
I see these games and I noticed some

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of the problems other teams have,
I always remind myself of what's what's going

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on with with my favorite team?
Right? And you see how difficult it

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has been for the Yankees as of
late. There's still only a game back

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in the division, but both Baltimore
and New York have been struggling a lot.

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Baltimore had lost a lost five or
six in a row. Yankees had

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dropped I don't know, eleven of
thirteen, eleven of fourteen, something like

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that. It was tough. It's
been tough for both of them. It

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shows you how challenging it can be, and the challenges and the toughness that

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it requires for a team to be
able to hang in there. Baltimore found

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a way to win yesterday. Did
they find a way or did New York

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gift wrap it. New York gift
wrapped it. There's no doubt about that.

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In case you missed it, the
Yankees were up five to three.

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They had gotten a home run by
the name of Ben Rice. He had

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a three run homer in the top
of the ninth off Craig kimbrel Uh to

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take a lead, a five to
three lead. Then the Orioles come up

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and with two outs they've get they
get the bases loaded and an air by

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Anthony Volpi, the shortstop who's usually
very surehanded. Okay, ground ball,

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routine, ground ball to him and
he boots it. Ryan Mountcastle just a

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just a it's just a simple I
don't want to say simple. It's a

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routine grounder that should have ended it
could have just flipped it over a second

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instead. The Vulpy makes it five
to four, keeps the bases loaded.

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Then Cedric Mullens comes up and he
punches one to left field. Now it

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is it's borderline routine. But Alex
Verdugo, with two outs run and basis

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everyone's running no matter what. He
doesn't want it to drop in front of

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him or it at least wants to
keep the ball in front of him.

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So the winning run doesn't score.
He breaks in, the ball carries over

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his head, he falls down on
his belly, in his face, it

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drops over him to run score.
Baltimore walks it off and they win at

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six to five. We have brought
up time and time again, ever since

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baseball season started. We have brought
up the good teams in baseball. I've

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done it, probably too often for
your liking, but I'm comparing the Tigers

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to certain teams who have everyday players, and the Yankees are one of those

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teams I've brought up. I brought
up Sodo, I brought up for Dugo,

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I bring up Volpi, I bring
up Judge, I bring up Rizzo

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when he's healthy, so on and
so forth. Okay, And I say,

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that's the reason this is a team
that I don't know how many wins

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they had at the time. When
I use the example of right now,

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they got fifty eight wins, whild
you take that? You damn right,

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you'd take that. You and I
would both take that for the Tigers.

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Absolutely, fifty eight wins at the
All Star break, please, you'd be

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tied for first Bay or first place
in the Ales Central. Because Cleveland's got

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fifty eight wins. But the point
is I bring these teams up, understand

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and know this. They've got issues
too, They've got problems. The Phillies

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just gave up eight home runs to
arguably the second worst team in the American

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Lake yesterday. You don't think there's
problems there. Absolutely. You don't think

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the Texas Rangers, who are the
defending World Series champions, have problems.

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Yes they do. They're under five
hundred. I mean we can go on

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and on Cleveland, Okay, just
detry beat them in a series three out

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of four. I mean we can
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I understand that you and me to
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you don't care. Wese aren't your
teams. How many times are you,

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as a as a parent, see
a kid doing something wrong, your kid

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wants to do it, You're like, you're not doing that, and the

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kid says, well, Jimmy's doing
it, And what do you say,

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Jimmy's not my kid. Right,
you don't care because Jimmy's not your kid.

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Okay, you don't care because the
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I understand that, and you're right. I'm just telling you to try

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and keep it in perspective. And
I have to remind myself of the exact

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same thing when things are going going
wrong. Understand that even the best have

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issues, even the best teams have
something go wrong. Now, how extended

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is it, how problematic is that
is a discussion for perhaps another day,

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But there was a time there for
as good as the Yankees were or are

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and have been, probably never good
enough. They did lose six of seven

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games. They did have an extended
problem, but they have a margin for

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error. You get thirty thres you
could still look back. The media can

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talk to Aaron Boom right now and
say, you know what your team has

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lately really struggled. What's been the
problem. He can talk about it,

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and he can acknowledge it, but
he would also say, please know this.

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We have the most wins, tied
for the most wins in the American

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League, fifty eight. Baltimore's got
fifty eight, Cleveland's got fifty eight.

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There's only one team that has more
wins than we do in all of baseball.

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I'm trying to look at it from
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turn around, he could say,
you know, we have thirty three roadkills

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this year by far and away the
most in baseball. Yes, we've gone

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through some tough times, but we
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the most and the best in the
American League and the second most in

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all of baseball. There are things
that they have built up. It's almost

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like a big credit card, right. They have built that up and you

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can fall back on that. The
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other teams they don't have that margin
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the Tigers. They haven't been able
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at five and oh. When you
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oh or whatever, it was.
Hell, that's a long time ago.

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Those are things that you and I
don't remember. And when things like that,

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when things like this come up,
it makes me really think long and

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hard about the people who strongly recommend
you trade Trek Scooble. And I'm not

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saying you should or shouldn't. I'll
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years ago I said I would what
he's done this year would give me great

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pause. I would explore it.
There's no doubt about that. I would

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explore it to try and see what
exactly you could get. If you could

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get three high end players who are
major League ready right now, who you

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believe are going to be key contributors
to your company, to your franchise for

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the next five to ten years,
I would do it. I don't know

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if that deal would be there.
Baltimore's looking for pitching, but they've also

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said they're not going to do it
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But the reason I bring that up
is because I recognize that every team

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goes through issues, but you need
even though you may need that buffer,

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even though you may need that margin
for air, the guys who help you

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and prevent the long extended losing streaks
and help you close or keep that margin

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for air on the positive side,
are really strong all star type players,

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and he's obviously one of them.
All right. I promise when we come

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back, I will get to the
NBA the team's opening wind total. SI

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dot Com came out with this the
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of wins. Maybe I think,
just maybe you might be surprised at what

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they think the Pistons will provide.
We'll get to that when we come back

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Others from the Harvard Westlake High School
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Rayner, start A, Brennan Bosch, Pete Crow, Armstrong, Jackflow,

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Already, Max Freed, Lucas Gilito. What do you think? I know?

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I'm with you, who really truly
knows kid's got talent? Though you

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can tell most first rounders do.
But this kid looks like he's I mean,

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the swing is beautiful and the numbers
are there for sure, it's going

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to be a while. And I
think that's the frustrating thing with a lot

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of Tigers fans. It's going to
be a while for Max Clark. We

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knew it was going to be a
while for Jackson job who's accelerating, and

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it looks like it's going to be
a while for this guy. Thirty five

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Trent. Who's up for us on
this Monday morning? We've got Paul from

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Grand Rapids wants to talk some Tigers. Paul, good morning. How is

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your weekend? Hey, great man? How about yours? Good Thanks for

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listening on ninety six point the game? What's going on? So? First

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of all, I think the Tigers
team can make a run here in the

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second half, And honestly, I
want no part of trading Jack Clarity,

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Eric Spoobowl any of those guys.
I think Harrick Schooball is special and I

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think he's kV two point. Oh
well, let's anadvertion of JV. And

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he is the best picture we've had
since Berlander. And I would really really

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just love to just keep this poor
around and just just build around these guys.

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I mean, at some point you
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future, the future, the future, the future. You gotta start winning

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baseball games now. You gotta start
establishing and winning culture right now. And

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I think we're right there, man, And you know some things I'd like

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to see, you know, I'd
like to see Jake Young come up trying

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help this team here in the second
half. You know, I'd like to

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see Parker Metals get healthy and it, you know, makes make so make

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the contribution. Portlson poorn on him, I think he's saying, but I

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mean, I really do think this
team is capable of making it a second

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half runs. Yet what do you
think did you feel that way when they

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lost ten of thirteen in the middle
of June. No, but they've changed

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my mind and I'm ready to get
hurt again. Yeah, who has changed

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your mind specifically? And when did
you change your mind? I have for

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the series against the Guardians, who
I really don't think that they're that good

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of a team. By the way, I don't think they're not. You

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know, they they're a beneficiary of
having played Oakland and LA you know,

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a bunch at the beginning of a
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a little bit here. You know, I think they're they're going to have

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a massive ball off here in the
second half. But I mean, you're

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just seeing the young guys. But
man, he's been unbelievable until Bretz spent

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a nice surprise. I mean,
you know, the young guys are up

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here and they're doing it. And
you know, I I've been raging about

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both. Man, I really love
this kid. I I think he's a

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cornerstone piece. I think he uh, I think he's going to be a

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stunt. He struggled vitally to start
off the here. But you know,

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unlike Spencer portleson his room here,
you know, he's he's absolutely just destroying

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the ball here in the month of
July. And you know, unlike Torkle

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says well cold Keith has absolutely just
destroyed it at every single level he's been

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in. You know, yeah,
I'm excited. Yeah, I don't blame

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you. I think he's a big
reason. I look, I said this,

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I've said this for two months.
He's gonna hit. I mean,

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it's it's just been proven he's going
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that torkleson Is can hit homers because
he's done the same at every single level.

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But you said a few things there
that have piqued my interest, and

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I give you credit. I suppose
you could also say, I mean,

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did you think the Tigers got off
to a great start because they played Chicago,

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who's the worst team in the American
League, and arguably the worst team

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in all of baseball. I try
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you don't buy into Cleveland. I
think a lot of people felt that way,

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or maybe perhaps still feel like you
and don't feel that way. I

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would remind you they beat Seattle two
out of three, they beat Baltimore two

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out of three. They have some
quality wins there. I think the Tigers,

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with their recent wins over Cleveland specifically, and by the way Cleveland beat

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them two out of three earlier this
year, and against the Dodgers, there

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are certain correct me if you think
I'm wrong here, there are certain wins

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against certain teams that have credibility in
your eyes that change your mind. It

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might be Cleveland, although you just
said you don't think they're all that good,

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so I don't know why it would
be Cleveland. I think it's the

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Dodgers series more than it can't be
Cincinnati, because Cincinnati was under five hundred

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when they were playing Detroit, and
even though they had won three or five

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in a row, it doesn't matter
to you. It can't be Cleveland because

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the Guardians don't have your respect.
You said they're going to fall off,

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and you think you don't think they're
that good. So it has to be

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the Dodgers, right, absolutely,
it is. Well, I would remind

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you this. I don't think there's
a reason for me to try and convince

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you otherwise because I give you credit
and I think I think it should bring

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some hope, especially when you get
a bad Toronto team right after the break.

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But I would remind you the Dodgers
going into the series against Detroit in

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the previous ten to twelve games had
the worst ra and among the worst pitching

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in all of baseball over a previous
two week span. Going into that series

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against Detroit. That's not a knock
on the Tigers win. Give credit where

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credit is due. The Link comeback
was unbelievable. Saturday Ice comeback win too.

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They deserve it. It just it's
not enough for me anyway to believe

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that they have turned the proverbial corner. Are they going to catch up to

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the teams that are ahead of them? I don't see that happening. And

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this is coming from a guy who
picked Detroit to win the division before the

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season began. I just don't you
know. I mean, remember we remember

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something. Detroit played the White Sox, the Mets, and the A's at

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the beginning of the season, and
by the way, the A's beat them

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in that series. And we're trying
to tell we're going to try and tell

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people that, well, we don't
believe Cleveland because they were the beneficiary of

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playing certain teams at the beginning of
their season. Detroit did the same damn

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thing. You know what I mean, No, I respect it, I

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respect it, but you know,
I just they are you know, I

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think the Fighters have won one or
the last fourteen games and you're just starting

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to see things come together. Outstanding
staff, I think, and you know

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it's it's it's keeping us in games. And you know, I respect your

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opinionship. I mean, you know, I respect you, and you're you're

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a great baseball mind and you're you're
really smart when it comes to a lot

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of this stuff. So you know, I'll take get your you know,

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I'll take your opinion as well,
and you know, respect it. But

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I I honestly, I'm just tired
losing. Man. You got to give

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us something to hope for. Eventually. Yeah, I'm glad you said.

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Let me ask you the one more
thing, Jack Flaherty, you said you

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you would keep you so you would
sign him to an extension, right,

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because he's gon one year deal?
Okay, how any idea that? Because

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three years? Three years? And
it's because guys come here and they turn

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their pitching careers around. It seems
like Hurst Peer is the best of what

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he does when it comes to you
helping guys revive their careers. And there's

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not a better organization in baseball that
develops pen like we can we develop additionally

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then? I mean, you can
make the argument with goal keep making,

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but do we develop pitching? Yes, we absolutely do. And you know,

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it seems like Clarity's comfortable here.
He has that level of respect,

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and he has that level of comfortability
with Chris Better, and you know,

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I really think that he can keep
doing what he's doing. I think it's

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sustainable. I think, you know, I think it's good enough to say,

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hey, at least give this guy
a two to three more years if

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it doesn't work out. It doesn't
work out, but like, what are

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you going to get another future piece
that may or may not work out?

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Like I've had it with that,
There's no guarantee that whatever you get for

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Clarity is going to pan out and
be good. Even if they put up

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douty numbers in the minor league.
That doesn't need anything. We have a

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proven commodity on the mound right now
that is pitching some of the best baseball

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of his career because he's comfortable with
the organization and he's comfortable with Chris Better,

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and Chris Better picks something. I
don't what, but he picked something

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with Jack Clarity and he's only twenty
eight, So that tells you something too.

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So I look, I tend to
agree with you, and thanks for

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the phone call. I love the
passion. I love the positivity more than

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anything else. I'm not trying to
take that away from you. I would

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argue that he's had better seasons,
okay, for example this twenty nineteen campaign

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in Saint Louis. But I hear
where you're going. If you're not going

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to trade him, I would sign
him. I don't know if three years

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would be enough at age twenty eight, honestly, I really don't. But

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I like where your head is.
At least you're thinking ahead of time,

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right, I mean you, anytime
we have these conversations, you got to

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think what would he be worth?
They're paying him fourteen million this year.

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Would you pay him for fourteen million
over each of the next three years.

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I don't know. I mean,
he might not take that with the type

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of season he's having. The only
thing I would push back on would because

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there's no sense go ahead. I
didn't know you're still there. One,

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because there's no salary cap in baseball. Yeah, there is no salary cap

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in baseball. Yeah, but there
is a luxury tax. Number one,

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and the Tigers aren't even close to
that. That's number one. Number Two.

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You do have an owner who has
proven he will not spend money,

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So you and I can talk about
that as much as we want and believe

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in it, because I believe in
it too, all right, So if

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you wanted to sign him to a
three year, forty two million dollar contract,

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you and I would think that's good
value personally if I were his agent,

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and I think if you were his
agent, you would expect more.

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Okay, you would expect more than
three years forty two million dollars for a

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twenty eight year old who seems to
be pitching well and seems to like it

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here, you would get more than
that, But you have an owner who

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doesn't appear and you would. I
use this as an example because he's got

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one hundred and seven million dollar payroll. Spend the money. Yeah, we

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thank Paul for the call and grand
Rabbits talking Tigers. I think the principle

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he's getting at that I actually agree
with Shep is you finally have someone or

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a couple players that are exciting and
fun and competent. And I know a

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lot of it is with the pitching
staff, but you want to hang onto

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that. I mean, because we've
had we've had a few seasons now in

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a row where it's just been miserable. We haven't been even close to five

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hundred baseball in Detroit around the fourth
of July or the All Star break the

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last few years, and this year
you are so I guess it's just you

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want to hang onto that, and
it can sort of cloud your vision a

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little bit, and maybe you're not
thinking towards the future so much because you're

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enjoying this little taste of victory.
I'm with you. I'm with Paul one

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hundred percent of that, all right. Flairty twenty eight, Schooble twenty seven,

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Olsen twenty four, really good stuff, right, I Mean, that's

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a trio that's among the best in
the American League. You got to find

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a fourth. I don't know if
it's mys I don't know if it's Manning,

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I don't know if it's job,
I don't know if it's Madden.

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It's not my aida. I was
just gonna say, all right, so

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you got to find a fourth and
a fifth, and then you got to

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hope they're healthy. But they've got
some pitching within the system. It's not

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as simple though. First of all, let me just push back on one

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thing he tries. Is not the
best team in developing pitching talent. They're

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not. Cleveland is better. The
Dodgers are better. There's no doubt about

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that. That is blatantly obvious.
They've done a really good job of it.

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And I think Chris Fetters among the
best pitching coaches in all of baseball.

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That Robin Lund has helped him,
no doubt. So I'm not going

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to question that at all. But
I don't think they're the best. And

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he's right about Cole Keith love his
hit tool, it's going to be there,

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like Riley Green. It's amazing how
things can change in a month,

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like Riley Green. Right, But
and this is a big butt. You

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need more every day power, every
day power, and you need more everyday

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players. That is a given.
Now, if you want to bring up

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eventually a Jace Young and put him
at third base, and you need to

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find a shortstop because Baia enough is
enough, right, you better hope Torkosen

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comes back as your first basement.
I think you need a catcher, and

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00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:29.920
then we're talking about something here.
How do you get them? That's a

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bigger question. I don't know if
we necessarily have the answer to that with

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this team, because you want to
hold onto the pitching, and I understand

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that, I totally do. Just
make sure if you're going to hold on

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to Jack Felharity, you better make
sure you sign him or you have an

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idea of what he wants and it
works within your parameters, because the last

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thing you want is to have to
deal with the Michael Fulmer and the Edwado

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Rodriguez situations when you could have traded
them and you could have got something decent

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and you didn't and then watched them
leave. Rodriguez left Fulmer your trade and

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you didn't get anything for him.
Well. Also, Scott Harris really needs

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to evaluate whether or not he thinks
what Jack flarerty is doing is sustainable,

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not the fans. He needs to
decide what he thinks is fair, because,

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I mean, chef. We saw
this with Spencer Turnbull a couple of

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years ago. We saw with Matthew
Boyd a couple of years ago, where

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those guys were pitching pretty well,
but they're playing a little bit over their

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00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:31.039
skis and Alavila didn't make the move
right. Right, Turnbull, I'm not

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so sure. I don't think there
was necessarily a market for Turnbull. That's

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fair. He was, I mean
there was. I don't think many people

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cried when he was gone. Let's
put it that way, all right.

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Flerty's different. Flerity, first of
all, is established. Turnbull was not.

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Flerity has proven himself and he is
a really good teammate that players really

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like and appreciate. Now at twenty
eight, can he continue to do what

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he's doing? Look, the era
is there, right, You'll take a

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three era. The durability for the
most part, you gotta make sure he's

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healthy. He's got sixteen starts,
but he's had some back issues. You

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worry about a little bit, a
little bit of a track record with his

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injuries. So twenty twenty three pretty
damn good. But he had problems in

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twenty twenty two. He had problems
in twenty twenty one, twenty twenty.

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You know, you always throw out
the best year of his career was twenty

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nineteen, when he's twenty three years
old. He made thirty three starts,

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he went eleven and eight. He
had an era below two point eight.

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He threw one hundred and ninety six
innings. But I would just remind you,

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anytime you're a general manager, you
take all that stuff into consideration.

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As good as he was back then
and as good as you may think he

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has been now, he has never
been a guy who gives you a ton

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of innings. I'm not trying to
be a downer. I'm not trying to

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be a negative guy, and I'm
not trying to squash your enthusiasm. I

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love it. We feed off that
kind of stuff. I'm just giving you

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some facts. He's never been the
type of workhorse kind of guy that often

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teams teams would cove it. So
when you look at one hundred and ninety

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six innings as a career high,
I suppose and today that'd be good,

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but that was, you know,
five six years ago. Now in fairness.

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Trek Schoubl hasn't been that guy either. He's never thrown one hundred and

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fifty innings in a season. I'm
not saying I don't agree with Paul,

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because I do. I would see
what Jack Flaherty wants. But if it's

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over what you're willing to spend,
if it's irresponsible, then you trade him.

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You may not like that, but
you do. You have to look

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toward the future on keeping Schooble long
term, and you're gonna have other guys

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like Riley Green, for example.
And the only reason I bring that up

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is because of the proven track record
of the owner. That's all. Those

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are things you have to keep under
consideration. Take that into account. I

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like Cole Keith a lot. He's
gonna hit and he's gonna continue. And

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I said that, I think Riley
Green's gonna continue to hit. I'm gonna

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stick with I think Spencer Torkosen's gonna
hit with power. I think he'll be

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back up and it'll be and he
will be able to hit with power.

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I think I think a guy like
Jayce Young is a guy who makes a

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lot of contact. To me,
those are good trends. We're just tired

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