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Hello, and welcome to Open Mind
UFO Radio. I am your host,

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Alejandro Rojas, and I am joined
by Jason the Mandalorian McClellan. That kind

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of rhymes a little better. At
least it flows well, it flows well,

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It sounds cool. But I thought
we established last week that I I'm

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on the side of the good guys. My friend, Oh, I know,

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but were there any good There were
some good Mandalorians. They were good

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to begin with, actually, and
they had the super high technology. If

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people don't know what we're talking about, which is probably ninety nine percent of

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you, Boba Fett is the most
famous Mandalorian out there with at least see

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what uses their armor and stuff.
So that high tech armor that Boba Fett

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uses comes from the Mandalorians. But
they were good to begin with. There

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were some good ones, so that's
not necessarily a bad thing. And there

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were a whole lot of them present
at the Star Wars celebration in Anaheim this

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past weekend. So just for protection's
sake, I guess I should have befriended

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them. Yeah, that would be
a good idea, And that's why I

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brought it up, because she just
came back from this Star Wars thing,

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and you said, there was like
this whole like you know, these huge

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groups of people dressed up like all
these different type characters, including fifty something

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group of fifty something Mandalorians. Oh
yeah, there were. There were lots

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of coordinated groups. And that's the
thing with the whole Star Wars even Star

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Trek too, with the Star Wars
universe, big groups of people that belong

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to like clubs and they get together
and dress up. One of the coolest

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things. And you would have loved
it. Allehandro because I know you love

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robots. The R two builders,
there were a lot of the R two

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D two builders or droid builders there
actually build endings and robots on site and

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they were even testing them out,
doing little like races against each other and

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stuff. H but fully operational R
two units are so cool to see because

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some people get way into this and
really build these high tech robots. Some

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of them are just you know,
they've got the look down, so they'll

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roll and make some noises and flash
some lights, but that's it. But

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others had them so they could push
a button and like all the different compartments

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on R two would open up and
the little blue flapper hand and things,

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you know, would open up and
it'd spin around and go crazy like they

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just got shot or something. But
some of them had a lot of capabilities

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that's really impressive to see in person. It's so funny you say that,

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because this morning I was looking at
the video you took of an R two

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going into an elevator, and I
got so excited, because you're right,

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I get so excited to see remote
control R twos ever since I was a

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little kid. I was like,
they've got to be able to make remote

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controlled ones, and that'd be so
awesome. And so I do get excited

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about those little robot R twos,
And I was thinking about that this morning

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when I watched your video. I
thought, oh man, there must have

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been a lot of really cool R
twos there, because I was thinking how

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fun it would be to see all
of that stuff. Because they had models

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of ad ats and and you know
what, props you had to picture of

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props from the new movie. Pretty
exciting stuff. They had everything there.

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Everything from the Star Wars universe was
there. Pretty cool. Well, welcome

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Bink, well, thank you back
to the real world. Back to the

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real world and UFOs baby. So
I guess I'll let people know first of

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all, the person we're interviewing today. I'm gonna interview Jennifer Stein, and

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she is a UFO documentary filmmaker and
she has won several EB awards at the

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UFO Congress, the EBE Film Festival
being our UFO Film festival at the Congress,

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it's the only I think UFO Film
Fest. And if it's not,

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you know, given how we follow
the news on everything, if we don't

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know about it, it's probably not
very big. And ours is pretty big.

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So we get a lot of great
films, and Jennifer has made some

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good ones. The latest one she
made was one called Travis about Travis Walton,

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and she did a lot of interviews. It's a great documentary and at

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won the Best long Form Film and
it also won the People's Choice, so

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she walked away with two out of
the three awards at the film festival this

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year, so it did very well. So we're gonna talk to her about

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how she got involved with all of
this, how she started making UFO films,

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and behind the scenes of the Travis
Walton film. So this will be

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a lot of fun. But before
we do that, of course, Jason

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and I are going to talk to
you about the UFO news of the week,

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of which there was quite a bit
this week, really I think going

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on out there. What story did
you want to talk about, Jason,

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Well, I just want to bring
attention to a quick story here about our

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good friend Chuck Sukowski, whom you've
had on this show many times. There's

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a movie being made about Chuck.
This is pretty exciting. So this news

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just broke last week that UFO and
paranormal investigator Chuck Sukowski, who's largely known

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for his work with the investigating animal
mutilations, but he investigates UFOs and all

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sorts of paranormal stuff. So he
was approached. Somebody found out about Chuck

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through his various work he does and
wanted to do a book about him.

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So there is going to be a
novel supposedly about Chuck Sukowski and his work.

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But through this New Line, and
many of you are probably familiar with

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New Line, they're a very major
film company. They've picked up this story

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for a feature film adaptation. So
in the works is a feature film about

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Chuck Szukowski and his incredible findings of
alien sightings, cattle mutilations, and all

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sorts of stuff, and it's focused
on this idea that Chuck's talked about for

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a few years now about the thirty
seventh degree of latitude. Chuck likes to

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call this the paranormal high or paranormal
freeway. Is that what he calls it.

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I never remember that some paranormal freeway
or paranormal highway. But what Chuck

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did was he was looking at sightings
and looking for similarities UFO sightings, animal

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mutilations, sites of strange happenings,
and found that there was an interesting pattern,

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a straight line across the country,
basically across the United States where strange

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things were happening, and it's a
long thirty seven degree latitude line. So

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he's got this this idea that he's
been talking about for years, about this

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thirty seven degree latitude line or the
paranormal freeway. And he even notes that

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Area fifty one happens to fall on
that line or near that line. So

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it's interesting. We've talked about this
idea before, talked to Chuck about it,

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but it's getting attention from other people
and it looks like there's going to

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be a major motion picture about Chuck
and his findings. Yeah, so funny

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because his sister, who's a really
cool lady, and I could do a

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plug, I guess she asked me
to do a skype interview for her Moufon

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group. She's a Debbie's Eagle Meyer. She's a state director in Missouri and

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also a move On board member.
I know there are a lot of sightings

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and stuff going on in Missouri.
They've had these really crazy flats out there.

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We've had her on and her assistant
director and we've talked about those.

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And then he lives in Colorado and
they're both along the thirty seventh parallel,

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and so they found all of these
things and now it's so funny. They're

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doing a movie about it. Kind
of cool. And it was picked up

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by New Lines, so I'm sure
it's be partially based on his actual research,

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but also probably largely based on some
stuff they make up for fun.

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But pretty interesting. How weird they
would pick up on something like this.

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Yeah, it is weird, but
I'm glad they did, and it'll be

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really interesting to see what they do
with it. I think you're right.

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I think it will be more fiction
than truth, but at least based on

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his findings. We'll see how close
they get or how much reality they choose

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to put into it. But it'll
be fun. Yeah, super Chuck.

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He's going to have a lot of
fun. I'm sure he's going to be

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a consultant. He'll probably be on
the set, so he's probably going to

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be a lot of fun for him. And we'll see which actors they choose

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once they get to that stage,
which hopefully they do. Hopefully it all

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happens. Chuck is a character,
yeah, that's for sure. They should

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throw him in because I know,
I mean, he's pretty good by the

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UFO nut so UFO nut dot com
in factors where you can find out more

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about him. So a couple of
stories real quick. I just wanted to

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say something you did the follow up. But on the fourteenth of what February

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and March, there were UFO sidings
in Bakersfield, California, and they were

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covered by the local news out there, and then so we're all looking forward

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to was it going to happen in
April? April fourteenth came a and there

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was a UFO video that was posted. However, I don't know what you

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think, Jason. I think those
other two videos from February or March were

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actually pretty interesting because you know that
one of them was this blue light and

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which it's hard to figure out what
that might have been. But this latest

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photo is not as mysterious. Yep, that's right, and I think you

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know it might have been covered because
people were looking for that UFO sighting in

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Bakersfield on the fourteenth again to happen. Yeah, I agree with you.

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Not as exciting as the first two. And as I said in the story,

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this one is most likely an airplane, but we can't be sure.

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And with those blue ones, they
were interesting but not much detail, really

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see much of the object itself.
But those were more interesting. And who

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knows. There could have been another
blue UFO or something that happened on the

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fourteenth of April. We just haven't
heard about it yet. Mm hmmm.

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Well, yeah, interesting three months
in a row, three UFO sidings and

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Bakersfield. But that's not uncommon.
I mean, if you look at UFO

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sidings, you could probably pick that
out for any city in AMERICAO sidings are

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everywhere people, Yeah so, and
they happen on a nearly daily basis,

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especially someplace like California where there's a
lot of sightings. But those first two.

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At least that blue ufo that they
had I think is really interesting.

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I can't figure out what that might
have been. I guess possibly a drone

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or something, but pretty interesting video. Another interesting video was one over Tijuana.

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It was covered in the Mexican News, but they didn't cover it very

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thoroughly. So it was this site
called Cadena News, which is chain news

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in Mexico, and they wrote about
They said that the people saw these UFOs

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over Tijuana and they posted videos on
social networking, so they posted them on

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their site and that's about it.
That's the only info. And they have

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these two videos that they posted,
and there's no details. They don't say

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who posted them, they don't give
you links to the social networking place wherever

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they posted them, they don't say
when, They don't put any information,

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which is kind of frustrating because this
is a news reporter. He should have

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put in at least some details about, you know, who posted it,

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when and where, but nothing.
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people have been kind of excited about
it and interested in it. The

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video does show something pretty cool looking
I think, I don't know. It

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kind of seems like a balloon with
LEDs, or probably a kite with LEDs.

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But of course, just like any
of these kites and stuff with LEDs,

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they look pretty remarkable and they look
really neat, So I agree that

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that's most likely what it is.
We've seen this stuff before, especially in

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Latin America. We've seen some pretty
impressive LED kite rigs put together. They

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kind of wobble like that one does
and has the changing lights. So most

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likely what it is, but it's
hard to tell. Yeah, Yeah,

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the reporting was pretty bad on it. Yeah, they could have given a

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lot more information, but unfortunately they
didn't. Finally, just a couple kind

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of astrobiological things that I wanted to
talk about. First of all, just

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to clarify. You know, we
did this story on these f rbs fb

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rs. Now I can't remember what
they are any way. These signals,

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yeah, fast radio bursts, these
signals that they've been getting that they thought

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might be extraterrestrial. However, you
know, they have determined that they are

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periodic, which and relate to a
number, which is why they think they

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might be artificial. They think they
might be humans. But a story has

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come out that they've mistaken these alien
signals when they're actually from a microwave,

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and so everybody keeps poasting. Oh, they debunked that that was a microwave.

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No, guys, that is not
the case. Just like usual,

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people aren't reading the details of the
story and the headlines are completely not accurate.

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They're making you think that something there's
not. So there was a signal,

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a different type of signal that people
were getting that they couldn't identified,

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and that was from they found out
to be microwaves, but it wasn't the

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FRBs. The FRBs are not from
the microwaves. All of the stories,

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if you read them, state that
that it's not the FRBs, it's some

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other kind of signal. So just
so people know, FRBs aren't totally determined.

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But they did find out they fit
the UT time code, which means

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that even more likely that they're possibly
human though, and I guess finally,

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I think this is exciting these scientists
publish their findings. I think this is

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really important. Where they looked for
radiation and extra heat coming from different galaxies

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because they figured, just like us, we generate a lot of heat with

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our electronics and everything, so they
were thinking it could be possible then that

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a galaxy emitting heat. But what
these scientists have done is that they looked

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at the radiation from these galaxies.
They were able to because the wys W

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I forget what the acronym means,
but it's this satellite that NASA has up

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there is able to do that.
So they looked at all of the data.

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They were able to combe through the
data of over one hundred thousand galaxies

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to determine if there's enough heat radiating
from it that it could indicate there's an

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artificial intelligence, and they didn't find. And this is kind of silly too,

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because some stories are saying the search
found no evidence there's no aliens out

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there, which is an overstatement,
and then some other places are saying they

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found fifty galaxies where there could be
aliens, which is not necessarily an overstatement

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actually and is actually more accurate,
even though of course they're trying to make

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it sound more exciting. But they
did find elevated levels and fifty different galaxies,

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and there were actually ninety. There
were forty other anomalies that they noted,

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so they say there's ninety things out
there they found that they want to

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take a closer look at, and
those fifty galaxies admitting more radiation are possibly

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possible from advanced civilizations. Now,
they did say it didn't They didn't find

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what they were looking for. They
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a type three civilization. I kind
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you can find out what they mean
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that's using massive amounts of power,
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harnessing the energy from all of the
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galaxies. That's the type of civilization
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they're saying that's assuming that an advanced
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know that they would do that whatsoever. So it's certainly not conclusive that there

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are no advanced civilizations out there in
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of the news is reporting, they
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it's a really cool, interesting study. It was something that's exciting because what

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if they did find something more conclusive, And now that they've found a few

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galaxies, it gives us somewhere to
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It's one approach, it's a worthwhile
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said, many other possibilities. So
the people all the stories that are just

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dismissing it, saying, oh,
yeah, they looked and found nothing,

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so therefore no aliens. Uh.
Really frustrating, but yeah, just one

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thing, one way they can look. And again it's we talk about this

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in the searchboard life as we know
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looking for the only data point we
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other possibilities. You know, would
subterranean life out there emit all of this

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stuff that we would be able to
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pointed out, they did find interesting
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on, guys, keep pushing on
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That's awesome. It's a great study
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read up on it. So all
of that and some other really cool sighting

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reports from moufon by Roger Marsh at
the website at openmindstat tv. So there's

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the news. Any more news you
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all the news, Elejandro. All
right, then let's talk with Jenner for

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Stein I am very happy to have
on the show. Jennifer Stein. Hello,

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Hi, Elejandra. Thank you so
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honor and a treat. Yeah.
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because of course we see each other
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But I've never even though we've got
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different things here and there, I've
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you and kind of talk with you
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and so I'm really excited to talk
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forward to it. M Yeah,
So you have won many EBE Awards how

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many actually actually it's for and it's
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for two films, okay, but
I've been lucky enough to win both sets

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of your awards. When I have
one award, wow one both the best

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you know long Form Documentary and also
the People's Choice Award, which are both

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these lovely little Ebby statues. So
I should have four sitting around in my

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office, but I gave one of
them away this year to Travis because without

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Travis's story and without me having the
opportunity to make his story and him trusting

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me, of course I wouldn't have
had one, So I have a new

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one on order, I think from
from Angela. But we have to follow

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up with that. Okay, yeah, cool, Well that was really nice

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of you, and you know,
for us, I think we're out and

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we have to get a new batch
because they're really hard to make. They're

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molded like perfectly to our we have
like a master and we have to send

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it out to someone to create out
a metal and all this stuff, and

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we order badges usually, so we'll
get one to you. We have a

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bent up one unfortunately in the office
somehow it got broken. But well those

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are they benned easily. I have, yeah, across the country a couple

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times and they do bend very easily, so I get it. Yeah.

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Well, so that is really cool, And I mean that's like a Grand

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Slam for your two movies. Because
just so people know, everybody who's been

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nominated, because we have the two
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long form, anybody who's been nominated
is eligible for the People's Choice. Now

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I like it win and this is
certainly no slight to your movie. It's

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always a lot of fun when one
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the other awards, wins the People's
Choice because then there's more winners, of

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course, but when a movie does
win both, that's like a Grand Slam.

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You've got two Grand Slams. I
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And I was especially honored this year
because there were lots of good filmmakers this

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year. I think the first year
I won, maybe there weren't really a

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lot of good films. And you
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excellent films and other years they're kind
of mediocre. But you know,

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it's a very unique genre. When
you go to Google, like as a

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filmmaker, if you go to apply
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apply to a UFO film festival,
When you type in UFO film festival with

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without a box or you know,
film festivals dot com or whatever, your

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film festival is the only one that
pops up. There are no other film

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festivals like yours. It's a very
unique genre. And I mean there's other

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paranormal festivals. But you specifically at
your conference draw together a group of people

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who are knowledgeable and concerned about this
issue, many experiencers. Plus it's all

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your presenters can go and see these
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there's a group of judges that come
in the day before, but the People's

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Choices Award is awarded from the thousands
of people that come to your conference.

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So that's an incredible honor because they're
a very educated group and you can't pull

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the wool over their eyes, or
if you do something on film that just

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really doesn't cut it, it doesn't
really come off. And so I was

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really honored this year to be acknowledged
amongst all the amazing speakers you had and

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all the amazing other filmmakers and the
audience who was there. Every year,

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it grows and grows, and this
year being your fifth year there at the

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it's not called the Fort McDowell Hotel
anymore. It's called the Weeko Pa.

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I almost called it Fort McDow.
I keep calling it that, but you're

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right, it's the Weako Pa.
It's the Weako Paw Resort. But it's

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on Fort McDowell Boulevard, and it's
of course in this lovely reservation Yava Pie.

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Is that what it is? Yah
Yava High Java Pie, Yava Pie.

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Okay, Well, it's just a
lovely space. And I am so

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honored to go there, and your
conference has continued to grow every year you've

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been there. And I think this
was the most amount of people you ever

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had. Yeah, it was,
it was. It was a fun one.

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It like you said, it always
grows. I love those those words

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to Wikopa and Yavapai. They're cool
words. But you're right, some years

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are better than others. The film
quality, I don't remember when you won

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last time with the rest of the
films were like but this year the competition

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was really really stiff. I mean
there were some really good films. I

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mean I had Jeremy Corbel on the
other day. Unfortunately his debut. He

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didn't win any awards, but I
love his films. I think they're great.

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There was the one Magic or No
some Patient was it Patient seventeen seventeen?

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Yeah? This year. Yeah,
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I think his was great. We
had these Moory Ally Island guys who do

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so there were a lot of really
good films and but you're you know,

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the people choice was a close one. I can let you know that.

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But so that's good, which is
a good thing. You know. That

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means you had some good competition,
and you won out from the competition,

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but people just it was certainly a
fan favorite. People were so excited about

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the film, and I think even
if they didn't vote for your film,

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they still loved it. And we're
happy that you won. And I think,

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you know, because everybody I think
has it at the conference has a

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place in their heart for Travis.
And you did a great job, maybe

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the best job anybody's done on a
Travis documentary, probably on putting together you

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know how people have felt and how
this has touched their lives, the witnesses

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and Travis and even people like the
guy who did the polygraph test. Yes,

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yes, it was quite a journey, it really was working on it.

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It was like five years total from
when I met Travis and really got

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to know him. Our mutual friend
Peter Robbins introduced us, and I always

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thought, in the back of my
mind, boy, wouldn't it be neat

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to be able to do a film
about Travis? But I didn't know I

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had it in me, and it
took more than I thought I had.

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As most films do, they're like
birthing something brand new, and it came

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from a couple of other projects we
didn't start making out this documentary. When

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we started, we were just making
a movie for his thirty eighth or thirty

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ninth annual conference. The thirty eighth
didn't really happen, although we were planning

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it. The thirty ninth kind of
happened by the hair of our chinny chin

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chin. But what Travis envisioned was
being able to take people to the site

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in the forest and kind of do
not like a re enactment, but like

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a walkthrough. This is where the
truck stopped, This is where I ran

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up the hill, This is where
the craft was hovering in this canopy of

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the trees. He really wanted to
give people that one on one time with

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himself, and we didn't know if
it was going to snow or rain,

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or it be freezing or And also
to get a large group of people to

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the forest in the dark, it's
very risky. And I said, Travis,

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let's do a virtual experience in the
woods with you and the other men

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describing what happened, because we just
might not be able to get there,

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you know, when the conference.
So it started out as a virtual tour

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of the forest, and then once
we got that done, then I was

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like hmm, well, I didn't
think I could do that, and I

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did that maybe we could just shoot
a bunch of interviews with some people and

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experts and people who were involved,
like can we find any of them?

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Like is the sheriff still alive?
Is the polygrapher still alive? So then

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the hunt began for the real meat
and dirt of the story, you know.

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And once I started to acquire some
of those interviews, which was about

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two years ago, then I knew
I had something and it was just a

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matter of really being able to put
it together. And it was. It

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was involved. I mean, it
was over my head. I involved a

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lot of talented people. I don't
think even if I started tomorrow, I

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could have done this film on my
own by myself. I used some editors

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in LA that took about a four
hour film and helped me focus it in

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and they read the book. They
took the meat of the story and they

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very tightly edited it in a way
that I had not edited it. But

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it was better. And then I
went, Wow, now we've got something

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happening. And then I hired a
musician. So you know, I'm not

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the perfect filmmaker, but I am
becoming an executive producer that can make good

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films because you can't know how to
do everything. Every editing program has a

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menu and it's complicated. Every sound
sweetening thing, every new version of photo

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Shop or you know whatever has complicated
menus and you have to know how to

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work them in motion and texts.
But I think that's a good thing because

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it indicates growth, because only really
independent, smaller productions are one man chose.

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Most documentaries, you know, you
have huge or films especially, but

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even bigger documentaries you know, have
a huge a lot of people working on

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them. So you're still a filmmaker, you're just yeah, like becoming a

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producer and learning how to work with
a team and that becoming able to produce

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better productions. That's right. And
had I tried to do it all myself,

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it might have taken me ten years. But because I had some resources

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I had saved up for this project, and because I've developed a lot of

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friends who are professionals in the field, I was able to tap them and

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say can you do this part?
Can you do that part? And of

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course it's continuing on as well.
We're working on a new version of the

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film and partly that's out of desire
and partly it's out of necessity because some

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of the archive footage we have.
I was only able to license permission to

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use it in film festivals and use
it in free screenings. But I'm not

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able to kidding. No, it
was sort of a miscommunication. Maybe I

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take responsibility for it, but it
caught me by surprise. I used some

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of some footage from a production called
UFOs Are Real that Stanton Friedman had guided

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me to. Stanton was one of
my interviewers, of course, and Stanton

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came and interviewed Travis in nineteen seventy
eight actually as part of this documentary.

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I think that's the first time he
met Travis. A film producer named Brandon

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Chase and his wife Mary Anne Chase
did a fabulous production in nineteen seventy eight,

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and they really didn't sell it much. It's still available on eBay you

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can find it. A few people
have old copies of it, and it's

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been transferred to DVD and available for
sale now. But they took three main

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stories and they went into depth on
them. One was Rosweld, one was

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the Betty and Barney Hill story,
and the third was the Travis Walton story

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and Wendell Stevens is in this production. It's really a great production. I

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really love what Wendell has to say
in the end of it. I mean,

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I can't say enough about how fabulous
it is. So I, through

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Stanton, contacted the Chases, who
are still alive. They're eighty five and

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eighty and they live in Hollywood,
California, and I contacted them in the

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end of November the beginning of December
and said, you know, Stanton sent

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me a copy of this production that
he helped write and produce with you in

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seventy eight, and I'm doing a
film about Travis. I'd like to license

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the footage from you and their first
reaction, and we will work with you

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in any way we can. And
gradually, as the holidays came on and

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as I tried to get a contract
signed and written, it got a little

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more confusing and they started to backpedal. They did agree to let me use

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the footage, and when I finally
sent them my contract in my check,

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they yet, which was right before
the holidays, I didn't hear from them,

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so I continued editing. I used
the footage. I sent you my

408
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DVD by the fifteenth of January,
and on that day, on the fifteenth

409
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:39.640
of January, Mary Anne Chase called
me up and said, well, we've

410
00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:45.000
changed our mind. Oh no,
and you can't use our footage. And

411
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:51.279
I was literally kind of up the
crik. So my good friend and former

412
00:32:51.319 --> 00:32:55.319
co producer on the Disclosure Dialogues named
Ron James. Ron wasn't going to take

413
00:32:55.359 --> 00:33:00.599
no for an answer, and long
story short, he basically knocked on the

414
00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:05.920
Chase's door, offered them another check, and offered to sit down and hand

415
00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:10.279
write a contract with them, which
they reluctantly sort of agreed to do,

416
00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:14.640
but they did because they kind of, you know, they kind of had

417
00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:16.720
me over a barrel. I didn't
want to pull the film. I wanted

418
00:33:16.759 --> 00:33:20.319
to show it, and I wanted
to show it because I thought it might

419
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:24.079
win. And I wanted a year's
worth of screenings of this film to build

420
00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:30.720
up the awareness and the interest in
Travis's conference for this coming November, because

421
00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:37.039
this November will be the fortieth anniversary, and I wanted people to know about

422
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:40.000
it and begin to say, Wow, it's been forty years, and look

423
00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:44.160
where we are, you know,
I mean that the topic is still ridiculed

424
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:49.759
and look at the evidence to Travis's
story. It's a lot of unrefutable evidence

425
00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:52.880
because we don't know exactly what happened
to him while he was on the craft.

426
00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:58.359
That's the big mysterious part, you
know. But we know Travis wasn't

427
00:33:58.359 --> 00:34:01.319
to sleep in the forest. We
know that if he'd gotten up and walked

428
00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:05.759
away, those dogs would have found
his tracks. You know, he was

429
00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:08.599
probably on board this craft and missing, even though we can't prove it.

430
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:14.599
But as you as you come around
to looking at facts and trying to figure

431
00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:19.000
out if his story is real or
not, his story has all the evidence

432
00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:22.000
to stand up in a court of
law. Between the lie detector tests and

433
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:28.920
you know, the five hundred people
looking for him and the hounds smelling his

434
00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:32.800
scent, trying to smell a scent
and not finding it, it's just too

435
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:37.519
good to be true. So that's
why I wanted to tell the true story

436
00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:43.920
and begin to open other people's minds
as well. In mainstream film festivals.

437
00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:49.320
I mean, it's wonderful that the
UFO community embraced this film, but I'm

438
00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:53.239
wondering if they'll embrace it like at
the Philadelphia Film Festival or you know,

439
00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:58.880
the Ashland Film festival. So it's
now in the process of being accepted.

440
00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:05.960
I'm using Without a Box, which
is a film festival program where you literally

441
00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:09.920
send your film via files or dropbox, or you load it into what's called

442
00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:15.639
IMDb, which a lot of Hollywood
movies are loaded into, and you find

443
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:20.719
where what categories you're good for,
and then you send it off. So

444
00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:24.280
it's been accepted in about ten different
festivals, and I'm scrambling to get it

445
00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:31.199
into some more just to see how
it does against other documentaries that are true

446
00:35:31.239 --> 00:35:38.239
life story documentaries but not quite as
maybe as much of a phenomenon as Travis's

447
00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:44.239
is. So what it would be
great is and so people know it's not

448
00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:49.360
like you you rely on this UFOs
a real footage a lot. It's not

449
00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:53.719
like you're it's four minutes a foot
in a ninety minute piece. It's only

450
00:35:53.800 --> 00:36:00.000
four minutes. But as you understand, unless I have clear rights yeah to

451
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:06.039
screen this film in say movie theaters, to pay for, you know,

452
00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:09.239
to have people paying tickets to see
it, I'm probably not going to make

453
00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:14.840
back the outlay that I laid out
to make this film, and filmmakers seek

454
00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:19.039
to do that so that I can
make the next project. The other way

455
00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:22.400
to make back your money is to
some awards. You know, some film

456
00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:25.760
festivals give you awards, and some
of those are cash awards, which is

457
00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:30.760
nice. But I'm hoping that once
it wins a few more awards, I

458
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:35.519
can sell it to a network,
and that's where you can begin to make

459
00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:39.000
back your money, selling it to
some cable networks or some mainstream networks like

460
00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:45.519
sci Fi or History Channel, and
then doing international distributions in other countries,

461
00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:50.519
maybe you know, subtitling it and
translating it into different languages. I already

462
00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:53.639
have some interest from them, from
Brazil and from France, from some of

463
00:36:53.719 --> 00:36:58.840
my other friends, my UFO friends
and other countries that they very much be

464
00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:04.360
interested in helping me. I have
a friend in Turkey who wants it's two

465
00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:07.239
Wow, and she does voiceovers and
translations for films. That's what she does

466
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:10.480
for a living, for you,
so she's very interested. I didn't know

467
00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:15.079
she did that, Yes, that's
what she That's what she did in Turkey

468
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:19.519
before she came to the States.
And she's of course returned to Turkey and

469
00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:22.679
we've stayed in touch and I've been
there to see her, and she's been

470
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:27.400
back here a couple times and we've
maintained our friendship. And yeah, I'm

471
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:34.400
very excited. And just so people
know, Sarett is like a Turkish ufoss.

472
00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:36.719
Yes, yes she is. And
she's written a book. I think

473
00:37:36.719 --> 00:37:42.199
it's Confessions of a Turkish Psychic or
something like that. She's got a long

474
00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:47.760
list of psychic experiences in her family
and UFO experiences in her family going back

475
00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:52.360
several generations. Pretty interesting. So
people who are listening to this show who

476
00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:57.239
don't know much about Travis Walton's case, like most do, but some might

477
00:37:57.400 --> 00:38:00.719
not, I guess just in a
night show real quick, and of course

478
00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:04.519
people will just have to I've interviewed
him so many times and he's been on

479
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:07.800
the show a lot, so people
can go look for those. But yeah,

480
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:14.559
he was a logger in what nineteen
seventy five and him and his buddies

481
00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:17.559
at the end of one night working
late, saw a light in the forest

482
00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:22.599
they thought was a fire in the
forest. They went over a plane crash

483
00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:25.159
or a plane crash crash, so
they went over to take a look.

484
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:29.719
They see this UFO. Travis,
like a knucklehead, gets out and runs

485
00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:32.840
over to it. He changes his
mind. It decides you better get back.

486
00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:36.480
Of course, his coworkers are like, you idiot, get back here.

487
00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:42.199
It takes off and there's this beam
of energy that throws him back.

488
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:45.280
His buddy's freaked. They think he's
dead. They take off. They eventually

489
00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:52.480
come back to get him after they
get up their nerve and he's gone,

490
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:54.559
and they go to the police,
say, a UFO took our buddy.

491
00:38:54.559 --> 00:38:57.920
The police don't believe him. They
think maybe they killed him, but there's

492
00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:00.800
a big man hunt. Five days
later, Travis ends up on the side

493
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:04.360
of the road. He thought he
was only gone a few hours. He

494
00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:07.400
calls his family. They come pick
him up, take him to Tucson.

495
00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:10.400
I think to hide him out because
the press and everybody was all over this

496
00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:15.320
thing. Everybody took light detector tests
to show that, you know, there

497
00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:17.039
was no foul play, that they
were telling the truth, that they saw

498
00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:22.519
this UFO. And then Travis disappeared. And then eventually, after regression,

499
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:28.880
Travis had some trauma and he remembered
meeting these weird characters and being on board

500
00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:32.320
a craft and when he came back, he saw this craft take off above

501
00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:36.679
his head. So that's right,
that's right, And I think just to

502
00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:40.440
add to your description, Travis remembered
everything when he woke up on the side

503
00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:45.960
of the road. He never had
to be regressed to remember things. Like

504
00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:51.119
a lot of people, he needed
to be regressed to get a handle on

505
00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:59.039
the traumatic stress he was experiencing because
he was also terribly dehydrated. He'd lost

506
00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:02.760
almost twelve pounds. He hadn't had
anything to eat or drink in five days,

507
00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:07.880
and that added to the stress.
He was in an extremely weakened condition,

508
00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:14.239
and his brother did protect him.
His older brother Dwayne, realized that

509
00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:16.280
the media and the press were going
to be all over him because they were

510
00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:21.199
all over their family, and they
were all over the work crew. And

511
00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:25.440
the reason the work crew took the
light detector test before Travis was returned.

512
00:40:25.719 --> 00:40:31.079
They took the tests on Sunday,
and Travis was returned Sunday night. He

513
00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:36.719
went missing on a Wednesday, and
by Sunday they called off the search for

514
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:39.639
him because they couldn't find him.
Five days had gone by. They decided

515
00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:44.400
to give all these boys lie detector
tests because they didn't believe them and they

516
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:47.760
didn't expect them to pass, and
they all passed the test, and then

517
00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:54.519
that night Travis was returned, and
Travis himself eventually went under some Lie detector

518
00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:59.400
tests, not right away, but
eventually he did, and he passed them.

519
00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:02.119
He's passed over five Lie detector tests, as well as a number of

520
00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:07.960
the other boys. So when you
pass one test, that's significant. When

521
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:13.480
you have seven people passing one test, that's astronomical. When you have seven

522
00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:20.599
people passing seven tests, that's you
know, the exponential proportion of significance that

523
00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:23.679
that has is huge. It's like
way off the charts. You know,

524
00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:29.400
you can't fake a story for forty
years and continue to pass Lie detector tests.

525
00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:36.239
And that's what's the basis behind Travis's
story. I want to talk about

526
00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:40.119
some other stuff, and we're already
running out of time, okay, And

527
00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:45.840
I think what we should do is
have you back to talk more about Travis's

528
00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:50.840
case in the film specifically, maybe
in a couple of months, but love,

529
00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:53.880
one more thing I do want to
say about Travis and his case,

530
00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:57.840
and you mentioned this earlier, is
that they had to There was a thirty

531
00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:01.639
ninth anniversary event. It was called
the Skyfire Summit. There's going to be

532
00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:07.719
a fortieth anniversary event, and like
you talked about, how exciting it would

533
00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:10.760
be and the idea of getting out
there with Travis and some of the witnesses

534
00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:15.320
in the location. And this is
something that's really exciting about the fortieth is

535
00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:20.320
that during the day now people will
be able to go out there and hang

536
00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:27.199
out with Travis on the anniversary of
where this all took place, until you

537
00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:30.079
know, the sun goes down,
so at the same time that it all

538
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:35.760
took place. I'm super excited about
this, that's right. Yeah, hopefully

539
00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:38.719
we'll be leaving the forest around six, just about the time they were leaving

540
00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:42.960
the forest. Yeah, and we
have just enough time to get out of

541
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:45.519
the forest before the sun sets.
Yeah, and it does. It is

542
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:51.199
pitch black and if there's nothing cold, you can't see. Last year we

543
00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:53.719
were out there in the middle of
the night and it was so cool that

544
00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:58.880
people couldn't really take too much and
I couldn't spend too much time out there.

545
00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:02.480
So that's exciting. But what else
is exciting is then people because right

546
00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:06.639
now, like you said, people
can't really see the film unless you go

547
00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:08.480
to a film festival. They're going
to be able to see it at this

548
00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:13.159
event as well. Yes they are. Now they can buy it from my

549
00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:17.079
website if they go on Wings Productions. I have set up a PayPal,

550
00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:22.280
you know, click and click and
buy, and I'm using eBay so that

551
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:25.719
people can put in their own shipping, you know, if they want at

552
00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:30.199
ups or they wanted postal service,
or depending on where they live and what

553
00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:34.199
part of the world, they can
pay for it to be shipped to them.

554
00:43:35.079 --> 00:43:39.400
And I am selling DVDs that way
right now. But that's really the

555
00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:44.880
only way to see it. But
there are screenings happening all over It's amazing.

556
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:50.360
There four in Canada this week,
and there's some in Australia, Hawaii,

557
00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:55.119
Mexico, London, Scotland, and
a whole bunch all over the United

558
00:43:55.159 --> 00:44:00.440
States with UFO conferences. It's going
to be Contacted the Desert, It's going

559
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:05.800
to be the mouf On International Symposium
in September. It'll be in the Paradigm

560
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:10.800
Conference in Minneapolis. So it's amazing. People are just you know, begging

561
00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:15.159
me to let them screen the film, and I'm really very very happy to

562
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:20.960
do it. I'm asking for a
small screening fee, which is typical of

563
00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:24.559
you know, filmmakers, just to
kind of have permission to show it in

564
00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:29.480
a large scale. It's nothing like
buying tickets to see it. I mean,

565
00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:32.679
the conference coordinators are coordinating that.
So I'm still within the bounds of

566
00:44:32.719 --> 00:44:38.199
my kind of crazy handwritten contract.
But we hope to have a new film

567
00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:43.679
too, in maybe by the time
of Travis's conference, which will have these

568
00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:45.960
re enactments in it. And I
sent you a whole bunch of pictures and

569
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:50.719
I decided you want to post them, or when we do our next interview

570
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:54.480
we can talk more in depth about
what version two will be. Because I'll

571
00:44:54.519 --> 00:44:58.800
take out the chase footage because they
won't give me rights to use it.

572
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:02.360
I'll replace it with other footage and
we'll have more in depth reenactments of what

573
00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:07.039
happened on board the craft. Mm
hm cool, So that's really exciting.

574
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:09.880
Yeah, I'll post one of these
pictures of a reenactment and I see you

575
00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:14.679
in a mask. Are you gonna
like have a cameo in this? I

576
00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:19.559
actually have a cameo, yes,
myself, a good friend for Veronica and

577
00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:24.280
some of the camera crew are playing
doctors because when Travis woke up on board

578
00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:28.840
the craft, he thought he was
in a hospital and he thought he saw

579
00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:34.800
doctors around him with like white hats
and the bottoms of their faces tended to

580
00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:37.440
not be there, and he thought, well, maybe they had face masks

581
00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:42.800
on. So we went to Goodwill
and we went to a medical supply place

582
00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:45.719
and we found you know, outfits, and we dressed ourselves up. So

583
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:53.239
we're going to have our bodies,
you know, morph into the scenes on

584
00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:57.119
board the craft. In fact,
I could probably send you. I have

585
00:45:57.159 --> 00:46:00.599
to find one more picture. I
think it's just on my phone. We're

586
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:06.239
doing CGI. So we shot against
a green screen and we are inserting these

587
00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:12.880
aliens that you know, basically took
him off the craft for some reason.

588
00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:16.239
I'm not finding them in my photo
file here, but maybe I have him

589
00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:19.840
somewhere else. I have to find
out. I'll send them to you.

590
00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:24.280
But it's really very interesting what we're
what we're able to accomplish with green screen.

591
00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:29.960
How fun. It sounds like a
lot of fun. So and like

592
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:32.519
you just had some screenings and Travis
out there where you live, right in

593
00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:37.039
New York just this weekend. Oh
yes, we did. Travis was here

594
00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:42.559
and he spoke in New Jersey.
Then he went up to New York.

595
00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:46.719
Peter Robbins met him there and they
spoke for the Intruder's Foundation. Peter was

596
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:51.239
very involved with Bud Hopkins when he
was still alive with this group, but

597
00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:53.760
since Bud's been gone, you know, they really haven't met. So this

598
00:46:53.920 --> 00:47:00.280
was the perfect opportunity to bring him
together, and so he spoke there,

599
00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:06.199
they screened the film, and then
he took a train down to Philly and

600
00:47:06.239 --> 00:47:10.199
he spoke for my local group that
I've been running called Mainline Moufon for fifteen

601
00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:15.440
years. I've been bringing free public
programming to my public library. So he

602
00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:17.360
came and we had a packed house. I mean, I think the library

603
00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:22.960
was freaking out. That never had
this many people show. Wow. And

604
00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:25.800
by the way, I just found
these other photos and I've also sent them

605
00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:30.440
to you, so you can see
our aliens on green screen and our costume.

606
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:35.719
As it developed a little bit,
I saw the human type aliens there.

607
00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:39.440
Wow. Cool. Yeah, there's
our actor. We hired an actor

608
00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:44.960
that looked pretty much like Travis,
and we even built a hallway for him

609
00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:47.000
to walk around, and we put
it from behind. It was a paper

610
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:51.760
hallway, but you'd never know it
the way we shot it. So because

611
00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:54.639
Travis explained light coming through the walls, so we lit it from behind.

612
00:47:54.719 --> 00:47:59.760
So oh cool. The walls lit
up. Yeah, we did this all

613
00:47:59.800 --> 00:48:04.400
as on such a budget you can't
imagine. But we're hoping that it really

614
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:07.880
comes off well and I think it
really will. Yeah, exciting, so

615
00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:10.840
much fun. So getting onto something
else I wanted to ask you about.

616
00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:15.559
So I think the first EBE award
you won were for your disclosure dialogues.

617
00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:21.320
Correct, that was in twenty twelve
with Ron James. Was that the first

618
00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:25.599
your first film? Not really.
If you go to my website or anyone

619
00:48:25.639 --> 00:48:30.360
can go to on Wings Productions,
you can see I've done. I've been

620
00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:35.239
making films for almost twenty years,
but I really wasn't doing it as professionally

621
00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:38.559
as I've now started to. I
was tapped to do things for schools and

622
00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:43.480
synagogues and charities, and I was
an event decorator, so I used to

623
00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:46.840
do weddings and bar and bot misfvis
and corporate parties, and I started to

624
00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:53.000
film those events for my own advertising
purposes to sell the next event. And

625
00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:55.760
then people said, well could you
give me a copy of the film,

626
00:48:55.760 --> 00:48:59.719
And then I started editing the footage
for them, and before you know it,

627
00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:02.440
I doing the decorating and the filming
for their events. So then I

628
00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:07.000
kind of decided I really didn't want
to do wedding and barnbot mitzvah films.

629
00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:10.800
I wanted to do real life story
films. And I was shooting my children,

630
00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:15.519
you know, I was doing you
know, all sorts of fun projects.

631
00:49:16.039 --> 00:49:21.079
I would do yoga retreats, I
did film work for Zachariah Sitchen.

632
00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:25.400
I did women's spirituality retreats. So
there's a lot of A friend of mine

633
00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:29.559
was killed in a terrorist bus attack
in Israel, and I made a film

634
00:49:29.559 --> 00:49:35.199
about her that's called Rita's Journey.
I made that nineteen ninety and the film

635
00:49:35.239 --> 00:49:37.719
went around the world, raised one
hundred thousand dollars and opened a legal aid

636
00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:44.159
bureau in her memory, and it
serves Arab women, Druze women, Palestinian

637
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:47.840
women, women who are abused.
It's kind of like a peace center and

638
00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:52.639
a legal aid bureau in Carmeel,
Israel. So that film is on my

639
00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:57.239
website. People can go and look
at my history of filmmaking. But I

640
00:49:57.320 --> 00:50:00.280
definitely got into it through the back
door, not go to film school.

641
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:06.039
I am an entrepreneur and an artist. I've designed and produced clothing. I've

642
00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:08.559
been a painter, I've studied crop
circles. I've you know, I kind

643
00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:13.599
of dabble in a lot of things, but my problem is I'm a bit

644
00:50:13.639 --> 00:50:19.800
of a perfectionist, so I end
up learning an awful lot and learning to

645
00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:24.719
a professional level where then I can
do what I'm doing professionally. So that's

646
00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:29.079
kind of what how I got into
filmmaking. How cool? So, and

647
00:50:29.519 --> 00:50:35.599
when did you first get into then? UFOs? Well, I had my

648
00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:39.039
own experience when I was nineteen,
which you probably don't know about, but

649
00:50:39.559 --> 00:50:44.599
it stayed in my gray box for
about twenty five years because I couldn't decipher

650
00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:47.760
if it was a dream or if
it was real. And when I was

651
00:50:49.440 --> 00:50:53.480
about forty five, I realized that
I wasn't alone at the time. Someone

652
00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:57.639
who was a dear friend of mine, who was in my parents' house at

653
00:50:57.719 --> 00:51:00.800
the same time at five point thirty
in the mon saw the same thing I

654
00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:06.119
saw. It was a large craft, about a ninety foot craft that was

655
00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:09.440
less than five hundred feet from my
bedroom window. When I realized that he

656
00:51:09.639 --> 00:51:15.079
experienced the same thing I experienced and
we never talked about it, that was

657
00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:21.360
that wasn't when I was about forty
five, so that was I'm sixty now,

658
00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:25.159
So that was about what fifteen years
ago. That's when I really decided,

659
00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:31.199
all right, either I'm going to
step fully forward and allow myself to

660
00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:36.760
you know, or give myself permission, you know, step through the ridicule,

661
00:51:36.840 --> 00:51:38.679
start to research this, figure out
what it meant, figure out what

662
00:51:38.760 --> 00:51:42.480
happened to me, what happens to
other people? What does this mean?

663
00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:45.920
Are we alone in the universe?
And of course it opened so many doors

664
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:51.679
and windows. I started reading in
a grander scale things that I maybe not

665
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:54.599
would not have read before. I
read all of Zacharia Sitchin's books and started

666
00:51:54.599 --> 00:51:58.559
to study with him, and I, you know, it was just a

667
00:51:58.639 --> 00:52:05.639
whole new door opened for me.
And I became very good with some fabulous

668
00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:08.280
people, did a lot of film
work for Zachariah, became good friends with

669
00:52:08.320 --> 00:52:14.960
Peter Robbins and with of course Stanton
Friedman and Rich Dolan. In two thousand

670
00:52:14.960 --> 00:52:17.920
and eight, I almost produced a
piece that was sold for sci Fi as

671
00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:22.679
an episodic television show called First Contact. And it was right around the time

672
00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:27.320
when UFO Hunters was coming out,
and it was also around the time when

673
00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:30.599
sci Fi went through a bankruptcy,
so they green lighted our project and then

674
00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:35.599
promptly went bankrupt and nothing ever happened
of it, but we did have it

675
00:52:35.639 --> 00:52:38.079
posted on the website for a long
time, I mean online on YouTube.

676
00:52:38.119 --> 00:52:42.519
It was called First Contact, and
it was going to be Stanton Friedman,

677
00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:45.559
Rich Dolan and Peter Robbins riding around
in a UFO, I mean, not

678
00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:50.840
a UFO riding around in it.
That's what Ron James is doing now.

679
00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:55.920
He's riding around in a UFO shooting
for Evolve TV. But we were going

680
00:52:55.920 --> 00:53:00.599
to ride around in an RV all
around the country and check out these incredible

681
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:05.559
UFO stories. And we shot us
an episode in Washington, d C.

682
00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:09.599
Covering the fifty two, nineteen fifty
two and the two thousand and two sightings,

683
00:53:09.639 --> 00:53:14.039
which were almost fifty years to the
day. And that was our first

684
00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:17.039
episode and it did well, I
mean, we really did a great little

685
00:53:17.639 --> 00:53:22.199
We did like a teaser for the
production. We actually produced a small show

686
00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:27.920
and then we posted the teaser online
and sci Fi really liked it, and

687
00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:31.960
so did Larry Lambsman. But we
were never able to come fully to you

688
00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:37.000
know, full circle on that.
So that was about two years before I

689
00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:42.119
did the disclosure dialogues with Ron Cool. Then and you've been involved with Muffon

690
00:53:42.199 --> 00:53:45.159
for quite some time as well,
Right, yes, I have, I

691
00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:51.159
was literally asked locally. I had
been already doing programs about crop circles and

692
00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:55.159
UFOs at my local library. I
started that right around the one year anniversary

693
00:53:55.159 --> 00:54:00.000
of nine to eleven in two thousand
and two. In fact, September eleventh,

694
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:02.559
two thousand and two was my first
program, and I did it to

695
00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:07.400
be of service to the community because
I thought there was things that weren't being

696
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:13.360
shared in the major media. And
I won't get into a discussion about nine

697
00:54:13.400 --> 00:54:17.960
to eleven. That's really not my
main topic of expertise at all. But

698
00:54:19.239 --> 00:54:23.559
I felt that if I gave people
some other interesting things to learn, no

699
00:54:23.559 --> 00:54:28.079
matter what the topic was, whether
it was health and wellness, or UFOs

700
00:54:28.159 --> 00:54:34.079
or crop circles, or ancient civilization, ancient architecture, ancient mounds throughout the

701
00:54:34.159 --> 00:54:38.440
United States, there's so many things
to learn about. And so I'm now

702
00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:44.199
I've done this for fifteen years.
We just are starting our We'll be starting

703
00:54:44.199 --> 00:54:47.639
our fifteenth year in September, and
every month I do a free program.

704
00:54:47.679 --> 00:54:51.800
And that's of course what Travis came
in to speak at just this month.

705
00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:55.280
So it was a real coup for
me to have standing room only at the

706
00:54:55.360 --> 00:55:00.760
library. We may have to find
another venue if it continues to grow.

707
00:55:01.079 --> 00:55:05.880
But we had about one hundred and
twenty people there. Wow. Yeah.

708
00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:10.119
And so then getting back to the
disclosure dialogues, I guess explain what that

709
00:55:10.320 --> 00:55:15.519
was and how that came about.
Well, Ron, I was at the

710
00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:22.840
last International UFO Congress that happened in
Lachland, Nevada, before John Rowe got

711
00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:27.079
involved and brought it to Phoenix and
created Open Minds. So while I was

712
00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:30.159
there, Danny Sheen came up to
me, who knew I did film work,

713
00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:32.199
and he said, I'd really like
you to shoot an interview for me

714
00:55:32.800 --> 00:55:37.840
with Rich Dolan. I've never met
him, will you introduce me. I'd

715
00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:38.840
love to sit down and talk to
him, and I'd love to have it

716
00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:44.559
videotaped. And I said to Danny, well, I won't say no,

717
00:55:45.039 --> 00:55:47.159
but I'm here as a guest.
I only came with my suitcase. I

718
00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:52.440
live in Philadelphia. All my lights
and tapes and cameras and mics and cables

719
00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:54.280
and whatnot are in Philly. I
don't have a single thing here with me

720
00:55:54.320 --> 00:56:00.599
except my little you know, EPs
and you know still camera that can shoot

721
00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:02.559
video, but you know, only
ten minutes at a time. So I

722
00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:06.199
said, but I won't say no, I'll see what can happen. And

723
00:56:06.239 --> 00:56:08.039
I'm standing there thinking about, well, how can I do this, Like,

724
00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:12.159
you know what, can I rent
equipment? Can I call around town?

725
00:56:12.239 --> 00:56:15.519
What's here in Lachlan? And at
that moment, the camera I own

726
00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:19.480
walked in front of me at eye
level and it was Ron James, who

727
00:56:19.559 --> 00:56:22.760
I didn't know, walking by me
with the same camera I owned in Philly,

728
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:27.599
which was a very high end,
a very expensive like a seven thousand

729
00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:31.559
dollars you know HD, you know, Canon camera. So I just started

730
00:56:31.559 --> 00:56:34.119
to follow him. I was like, well, what am I going to

731
00:56:34.199 --> 00:56:36.360
say? Well, you know,
how am I going to ask this guy

732
00:56:36.400 --> 00:56:39.559
to like borrow probably thirty forty thousand
dollars worth of his equipment? If he's

733
00:56:39.559 --> 00:56:43.079
here with a camera, maybe he's
shooting, maybe he's set up in a

734
00:56:43.159 --> 00:56:45.360
room, like he doesn't know me
from Adam, He's not going to say

735
00:56:45.400 --> 00:56:47.719
yes, what am I going to
do? And I finally just said,

736
00:56:47.719 --> 00:56:51.599
well, God help me, and
I tapped him on the shoulder and he

737
00:56:51.639 --> 00:56:54.599
turned around and I said, can
I like basically borrow everything you own,

738
00:56:54.679 --> 00:56:58.639
you know. And he said,
well who are you and why are you

739
00:56:58.719 --> 00:57:00.960
asking? So I follow him up
to his room, I saw his setup.

740
00:57:01.199 --> 00:57:06.239
He to check out at the hotel, like in ten minutes. He

741
00:57:06.320 --> 00:57:08.719
was leaving to drive back to LA
and he said, well, no,

742
00:57:08.840 --> 00:57:12.800
I have to leave. I can't
afford another room another night, you know,

743
00:57:12.840 --> 00:57:14.239
I have to get back to LA. I said, well, how

744
00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:16.760
about I pay your room and i'd
buy you know, I rent your equipment

745
00:57:16.840 --> 00:57:21.360
or whatever. He said, you
pay my room and that's all you need.

746
00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:23.880
I'll sell you a tape. And
so he helped me shoot this interview

747
00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:28.239
and it was such a good interview
that he turned to me and said,

748
00:57:28.280 --> 00:57:30.960
well, what do you intend to
do with this? Jen? And I

749
00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:32.800
said, well, actually, I
hadn't even thought about that. I did

750
00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:37.239
this service. I did this to
be generous. I was just going to

751
00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:42.320
turn it over to Danny Sheen and
let him do what he wants to do

752
00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:45.079
with it. And he said,
this is a great idea to get people

753
00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:50.800
who are really knowledgeable about this topic
together and to have them talk to each

754
00:57:50.840 --> 00:57:53.679
other. You get stuff you would
never get if you were just trying to

755
00:57:53.760 --> 00:57:58.400
interview them. He said, I
didn't know half the stuff they were talking

756
00:57:58.400 --> 00:58:01.559
about. Let's do a and I
said, yeah, we can call it

757
00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:07.239
Dialogues on Disclosure, and he said, better yet, We'll call it the

758
00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:12.119
Disclosure Dialogues. And we clapped hands, we did a high five, we

759
00:58:12.159 --> 00:58:15.519
shook hands on it, and that's
how the project began, and that's how

760
00:58:15.519 --> 00:58:20.599
your partnership began, and that's how
our partnership began to I have a lot

761
00:58:20.639 --> 00:58:25.280
of respect and a lot of trust
for Ron James. He is a manifestor,

762
00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:31.400
he's an inventive filmmaker, and he's
also he believes about being in service,

763
00:58:31.840 --> 00:58:37.159
especially in service to the people who
put their reputations on the line to

764
00:58:37.280 --> 00:58:42.840
get out stories which are ridiculed and
debunked, and especially people like Steve Bassett

765
00:58:42.880 --> 00:58:47.920
who are bending over backwards to get
the American political machine to start to address

766
00:58:47.960 --> 00:58:53.320
this issue more seriously. So we
decided to align our support with Steve,

767
00:58:53.960 --> 00:59:00.599
go to Washington and shoot his one
of his ex conferences that was at the

768
00:59:00.639 --> 00:59:05.320
Press Club. This was the last
Press Club conference he did before he did

769
00:59:05.400 --> 00:59:09.360
the Citizen hearings. So not Ron
handled shooting and streaming that, and I

770
00:59:09.480 --> 00:59:13.679
handled shooting all the interviews in a
hotel room, and we worked on a

771
00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:16.599
shoe string again. I mean I
bought two rooms. I put up a

772
00:59:16.639 --> 00:59:20.880
backdrop in a room, and I
put up lights. I used the TV

773
00:59:21.119 --> 00:59:25.519
cameras for I mean the TV televisions
in the room for monitors, and so

774
00:59:25.559 --> 00:59:29.119
we could see what we were doing. And I had them move all the

775
00:59:29.119 --> 00:59:31.000
furniture out of the room. They
thought, exactly, why are you renting

776
00:59:31.079 --> 00:59:35.079
this room? Exactly what are you
doing in here? You don't want to

777
00:59:35.079 --> 00:59:36.960
bed in here. I said,
no, no, no, this is

778
00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:40.360
going to become a studio. And
we shot for a full week. When

779
00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:45.360
we took we brought people together who
had interesting backgrounds. You know, people

780
00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:49.840
from Brazil and people from Russia and
people from China, and you know news

781
00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:54.239
media from from the DC area and
then you know Gary hessel time from from

782
00:59:54.280 --> 00:59:59.519
England, and we brought all different
people together who had all different backgrounds,

783
00:59:59.760 --> 01:00:02.559
and we got them to share their
knowledge and we just said who do you

784
01:00:02.599 --> 01:00:07.400
want to talk to, what do
you want to talk about? And then

785
01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:09.880
we shot it and we primed them
a little bit. But that's what became

786
01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:14.559
the basis of the disclosure dialogues,
and it became an excellent piece. We

787
01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:19.440
did it not only into a DVD, but we did it into a five

788
01:00:19.559 --> 01:00:22.599
DVD set, so you can have
all the raw footage and sit through all

789
01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:24.480
these interviews if you want, or
you can just look at the hour and

790
01:00:24.480 --> 01:00:30.559
a half documentary that really Ron created
on his own with Chris O'Brien who came

791
01:00:30.599 --> 01:00:34.400
in to help them. Yeah,
I know, I know. You guys

792
01:00:34.440 --> 01:00:37.239
shot a lot of stuff and it
took you many years, right to get

793
01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:40.960
all those interviews together exactly. It
was about It was about also a three

794
01:00:42.039 --> 01:00:45.400
year project. Now, the better
films take that long to make. You

795
01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:49.119
can't do it in a month or
two. It just doesn't happen. Mm

796
01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:52.800
hm. Cool stuff, though,
I mean, it's you've done now,

797
01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:55.079
looking back on it, you've done. You've got so much work out there,

798
01:00:55.719 --> 01:01:00.000
Yes, yes, and Ron's of
course in LA and I'm in philidel

799
01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:04.559
so it's a little tricky, but
it's getting easier and easier to work long

800
01:01:04.599 --> 01:01:07.679
distance. You know, we posting
on things on Vimeo. I fly out

801
01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:12.679
there mostly. I've been flying to
LA certainly to work on the Travis project.

802
01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:16.599
And Ron only came in on the
Travis project just in January. I

803
01:01:16.679 --> 01:01:21.199
was out there in the first week
of January tweaking this film to finish it

804
01:01:21.239 --> 01:01:23.719
to get it to you by the
fifteenth. And I called Ron up and

805
01:01:23.760 --> 01:01:27.239
I said, Ron, you know, I'm in LA and I'm working on

806
01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:30.480
a film project. He said,
you are. Why didn't you tell me?

807
01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:32.480
I said, well, you know, it's been intense. I've been

808
01:01:32.559 --> 01:01:36.639
working hard, but you want to
come to the screening. So he showed

809
01:01:36.679 --> 01:01:38.559
up, and he came to the
screening, and it was at that moment

810
01:01:38.639 --> 01:01:43.639
that he realized he wanted to be
involved in the project, and he wanted

811
01:01:43.639 --> 01:01:47.039
to upgrade the project and do more
in depth on what happened on board the

812
01:01:47.079 --> 01:01:52.239
craft. And then when I returned
home, I found out that I wasn't

813
01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:55.079
going to be able to use the
archive footage. And Ron stepped up like

814
01:01:55.119 --> 01:02:00.280
a mench and basically went to the
Chase's house and helped me negotiate something so

815
01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:06.440
that I could at least festivals,
which is where I'm at now with the

816
01:02:06.440 --> 01:02:08.320
footage. But we do have to
remake the film, and we have to

817
01:02:08.480 --> 01:02:15.440
eighty six some of that fabulous footage
we have in there from the nineteen seventies

818
01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:17.599
and replace it with other footage which
I'm in the process of trying to gain

819
01:02:17.679 --> 01:02:23.159
rights for now well we're pretty much
out of time, but I'm looking at

820
01:02:23.159 --> 01:02:29.039
these pictures and I'll post a couple
of these with the interview at least on

821
01:02:29.119 --> 01:02:34.760
the blog talk page, and then
you know, I'll link to your site

822
01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:39.679
from our homepage where the radio show
will be. But people can go watch

823
01:02:39.760 --> 01:02:45.840
some shorts trailers that you have out
there that are at on Wings Production and

824
01:02:45.880 --> 01:02:52.760
that's O. Nwiges Productions dot com. You could see a lot of stuff

825
01:02:52.840 --> 01:02:59.039
there. Really exciting. I'm now
really exciting for this new edition. I

826
01:02:59.039 --> 01:03:01.840
hope it comes out for or November
because I'll be there and we'll be able

827
01:03:01.880 --> 01:03:06.639
to see that. Of course,
that's my goal alhandro was to show it

828
01:03:06.719 --> 01:03:10.760
there at so it'll be a premiere
of a new film basically at the conference.

829
01:03:12.039 --> 01:03:15.360
How fun. That's really exciting because
I don't get to see the films,

830
01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:16.760
you know, it takes forever for
me to get to see them,

831
01:03:17.079 --> 01:03:20.920
and so I can't remember it took
it was a while before I got to

832
01:03:20.920 --> 01:03:24.199
see, you know, our copy
of yours and it was great. It's

833
01:03:24.320 --> 01:03:28.239
just it is one of the best
things out there. You got to talk

834
01:03:28.280 --> 01:03:31.760
to so many witnesses, more so
than others. And it shot very beautifully.

835
01:03:31.880 --> 01:03:37.079
A lot of these interviews outside in
the environment or in the areas where

836
01:03:37.119 --> 01:03:40.679
these things took place, and so
it's real exciting. Great. Well,

837
01:03:40.960 --> 01:03:45.000
thank you, Alejandro. It's such
a pleasure to talk to you. Thanks

838
01:03:45.039 --> 01:03:46.920
for doing this, and I look
forward to doing it again. I'll give

839
01:03:46.960 --> 01:03:52.199
you an update. Yeah, happening. Let's do that an update. And

840
01:03:52.400 --> 01:03:57.400
you know, as we were talking
here, just questions about Travis's case and

841
01:03:57.480 --> 01:04:01.599
your experience with talking to people kept
coming to mind, and I would love

842
01:04:01.719 --> 01:04:04.440
to do a show where we can
talk all about that. So we'll get

843
01:04:04.440 --> 01:04:09.199
back in touch in a couple months
and we'll do that. I look forward

844
01:04:09.239 --> 01:04:13.920
to it. Blessings to you and
everyone at Open Minds. Send my best

845
01:04:14.199 --> 01:04:16.719
and we'll talk soon. Thank you
so much. We'll talk to you soon.

846
01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:23.440
Bye. Thank you so much to
Jennifer Stein for joining us today.

847
01:04:23.519 --> 01:04:29.960
Remember you can see everything that she
does at on Wings Production Productions with an

848
01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:38.599
S and that is spelled n w
ng ees Productions dot com. The reason

849
01:04:38.679 --> 01:04:43.400
I am emphasizing the S is you
may not have noticed, but Open Minds

850
01:04:43.440 --> 01:04:48.480
is Open Minds Production with no S. Most people have an s and Jennifer

851
01:04:48.599 --> 01:04:54.199
does as well on Wings Productions,
and you want to go here because she's

852
01:04:54.239 --> 01:04:57.159
got lots of cool stuff. Like
she said, you can buy the DVD

853
01:04:57.280 --> 01:04:59.480
that must be kind of new,
because I didn't know that. I thought

854
01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:02.960
you could just see the trailer.
So that's pretty cool and it's well worth

855
01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:09.079
it because you'll notice in the trailer
it's just very, very well done this

856
01:05:09.280 --> 01:05:14.159
film. There are also other clips
of interviews that you'll be able to see.

857
01:05:14.280 --> 01:05:17.320
You'll also be able to see more
about her, like her disclosure dialogues

858
01:05:17.360 --> 01:05:24.000
that she did with Ron and with
Steve Bassett. You can also get a

859
01:05:24.079 --> 01:05:30.079
link to this Skyfire summit there and
that is the Travis Walton fortieth anniversary event,

860
01:05:30.519 --> 01:05:33.800
which is really exciting. That's something
everybody should go check out. Like

861
01:05:33.840 --> 01:05:39.360
we talked about, you'll be able
to Jennifer will be there, she'll show

862
01:05:39.400 --> 01:05:43.360
her film and hopefully we'll have the
latest and the greatest update one. But

863
01:05:44.119 --> 01:05:46.679
also if you go early, it's
like the day before the conference starts,

864
01:05:47.000 --> 01:05:51.519
you'll be able to go with Travis
out to the location during the day so

865
01:05:51.599 --> 01:05:56.119
it's not the coldness of the dark, so you could see everything and then

866
01:05:56.199 --> 01:06:00.519
we'll be out there until the sunsets
and I'm going to be in seeing that

867
01:06:00.599 --> 01:06:05.880
conference. So really exciting the fortieth
anniversary. Go register now because there is

868
01:06:06.039 --> 01:06:11.480
limited seating. There's very limited seating
to this event, which is very well

869
01:06:11.519 --> 01:06:14.320
priced. It's something like, I
don't know, twenty thirty forty bucks somewhere

870
01:06:14.360 --> 01:06:17.320
around there. I think it's less
than forty dollars at least to go out

871
01:06:17.320 --> 01:06:23.079
to the location on a bus and
so it's not dangerous and then be bussed

872
01:06:23.119 --> 01:06:27.719
back And that's going to be a
once in a lifetime kind of thing and

873
01:06:27.920 --> 01:06:32.360
it's going to be a lot of
fun. But also there's limited seating for

874
01:06:32.679 --> 01:06:36.840
that weekend, which there will be
speakers in everything, so you want to

875
01:06:36.880 --> 01:06:42.480
get there before they're all sold out. And that's Skyfire Summit. You can

876
01:06:42.519 --> 01:06:47.159
google that or you can find that
at Jennifer Stein's website. So lots of

877
01:06:47.159 --> 01:06:50.400
good stuff at Jennifer's website. You
can check out. There's a lot of

878
01:06:50.400 --> 01:06:56.119
good stuff at our website too,
openminds dot tv, so all of the

879
01:06:56.159 --> 01:07:00.440
news that Jason and I talked about
will be at Openminds dot Tv. You'll

880
01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:05.719
also be able to find some pictures
and stories and stuff like that about the

881
01:07:05.760 --> 01:07:10.079
Film Festival awards. In fact,
if you go to our YouTube site,

882
01:07:10.119 --> 01:07:15.800
which you'll find at open TV,
you'll find a video showing the awards and

883
01:07:15.840 --> 01:07:19.719
her accepting the awards. She had
a long speech that she gave and it

884
01:07:19.760 --> 01:07:21.920
was a lot of fun, so
you'll be able to check that out.

885
01:07:23.199 --> 01:07:29.400
Travis Walton was also there, so
a lot of cool stuff to check out.

886
01:07:30.519 --> 01:07:33.119
But Open Minds at TV you'll be
able to find the stories we talked

887
01:07:33.159 --> 01:07:35.639
about, and more, like I
said, Roger Marsh has a lot of

888
01:07:35.679 --> 01:07:41.480
really cool stories he's written about moufon
sightings that have come in and those stories

889
01:07:41.480 --> 01:07:45.519
are really popular. Some people,
I think used to more than they do

890
01:07:45.679 --> 01:07:48.960
now. I think the people who
got frustrated that there aren't pictures and videos

891
01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:56.440
and many of these stories that finally
kind of expressed their frustration with that and

892
01:07:56.599 --> 01:07:59.800
are done with it and now living
with the fact that, you know,

893
01:08:00.039 --> 01:08:03.679
but not everybody gets a photo or
a video if they have a UFO siding,

894
01:08:04.119 --> 01:08:09.880
and many people are interested in hearing
about those sightings as well. And

895
01:08:09.960 --> 01:08:13.840
like Jason and I talk about,
often, you know a lot of times

896
01:08:13.920 --> 01:08:18.159
pictures and videos you can't really tell
much from the vast, vast majority as

897
01:08:18.199 --> 01:08:24.840
we've seen, so you need witness
testimony, so that testimony is really important

898
01:08:25.760 --> 01:08:30.279
and it actually becomes some of the
most important part of the case. So

899
01:08:30.760 --> 01:08:33.880
witness testimony alone, I think is
still very interesting. And others agree because

900
01:08:34.479 --> 01:08:41.000
Roger's stories about these sightings are very
very popular, really interesting stuff, so

901
01:08:41.119 --> 01:08:45.520
check that out as well. Don't
forget. We have that video portal up

902
01:08:45.159 --> 01:08:53.039
and I will let you know that. Oh, I do want to address

903
01:08:53.039 --> 01:08:55.359
some of the complaints. I mean, there's been a few people who have

904
01:08:55.479 --> 01:08:59.439
said, where are you charging for
bubb blazaar man? You should give free

905
01:09:00.039 --> 01:09:05.079
that would be great, but you
know, it costs thousands and thousands and

906
01:09:05.119 --> 01:09:11.960
tens of thousands of dollars to put
on these events and to get this going

907
01:09:12.039 --> 01:09:15.520
and to put these stories up.
You know, the guy who does a

908
01:09:15.600 --> 01:09:21.000
video here, Michael, myself and
Maureen are full time staff, and we

909
01:09:21.159 --> 01:09:26.800
don't make money at Open Minds.
So I wish I could say we did,

910
01:09:27.199 --> 01:09:30.000
But luckily we have you know,
our investor, our owner, who

911
01:09:30.399 --> 01:09:35.840
is really committed to this field,
and he's willing to spend money so that

912
01:09:35.880 --> 01:09:40.159
we can get this information out and
that we can hold these conferences and have

913
01:09:40.239 --> 01:09:43.520
these interviews. So all we're trying
to do is make up for some of

914
01:09:43.560 --> 01:09:46.439
this stuff. And you know,
if we weren't doing that, then we

915
01:09:46.479 --> 01:09:51.119
would be so much out of pocket
that it wouldn't be feasible. We couldn't

916
01:09:51.159 --> 01:09:58.720
do what we do and not to
to our home horn here. But you

917
01:09:58.720 --> 01:10:01.560
know, I don't know of any
other news outlet like Open Minds out there.

918
01:10:01.600 --> 01:10:04.479
I mean, we're getting news out
there every day. We're putting on

919
01:10:04.520 --> 01:10:10.000
these major conferences. We are working
extremely hard not just to put on a

920
01:10:10.079 --> 01:10:13.920
conference, but to make it something
special. And it was a lot of

921
01:10:13.960 --> 01:10:16.399
work thanks to George Napp and his
help, but it was a lot of

922
01:10:16.399 --> 01:10:21.079
work to get Bob Blazaar out to
come and talk and address people. And

923
01:10:21.359 --> 01:10:25.439
I think that's really important. So
you're going to be able to see that.

924
01:10:25.840 --> 01:10:29.239
And it's just a few dollars for
goodness sakes. In fact, if

925
01:10:29.279 --> 01:10:32.760
you register for the month, you
get to see the George Nap video,

926
01:10:32.880 --> 01:10:36.399
the Bob Blazar video, you get
to see a ton and dozens of other

927
01:10:36.880 --> 01:10:44.479
great lectures, watch them all,
have fun. I mean a lot of

928
01:10:44.520 --> 01:10:47.760
really good information for like five or
six bucks or something like that. So

929
01:10:48.720 --> 01:10:53.399
I apologize that we have to charge
it. It's frustrating. In an ideal

930
01:10:53.520 --> 01:10:57.640
world, perhaps we wouldn't, but
then again, we're living in a capitalist

931
01:10:57.760 --> 01:11:00.800
country, and you know what,
nothing can exist without making money. Even

932
01:11:00.920 --> 01:11:06.359
nonprofits make money if you look into
it. They just, you know,

933
01:11:06.560 --> 01:11:10.000
like us, need to spend all
their money on what they're doing, which

934
01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:13.840
we do and then some so we're
spending a lot more money. So if

935
01:11:13.840 --> 01:11:17.079
anybody should be complaining about having to
spend money, it should be us.

936
01:11:17.680 --> 01:11:21.439
So, you know, just for
those people, you people, you guys

937
01:11:21.439 --> 01:11:26.880
are podcast listeners, So you guys
are awesome and you don't have these sort

938
01:11:26.920 --> 01:11:34.439
of concerns. You all already understand
this because the average intelligence of this podcast

939
01:11:34.560 --> 01:11:41.520
listeners, or our podcast listeners are
so high. I mean, I'm going

940
01:11:41.600 --> 01:11:45.840
to guess the IQs are somewhere in
the one eighties one fifties. And the

941
01:11:45.880 --> 01:11:48.399
only reason I can tell this is
because I meet some of you sometimes at

942
01:11:48.439 --> 01:11:51.880
these conferences and I'm like, you
know, every time I meet one of

943
01:11:51.920 --> 01:11:56.800
you and say hi, I'm like, wow, that person is an impressive

944
01:11:56.840 --> 01:12:01.000
person, that is a super genius. I'm so honored that this person listens

945
01:12:01.039 --> 01:12:05.319
to our podcast so all of you
that I've met are very impressive people,

946
01:12:05.399 --> 01:12:13.039
so I assume that everybody listening is
as well. And I thank you all

947
01:12:13.199 --> 01:12:17.279
so much for listening. It's wonderful
that we have so many listeners and that

948
01:12:17.359 --> 01:12:21.720
the listenership keeps growing and growing.
We've almost got five million. We've got

949
01:12:21.720 --> 01:12:27.880
like four point five million listens to
our shows, so that is really really

950
01:12:28.039 --> 01:12:31.279
cool. It's so wonderful to get
all of this information out, and I

951
01:12:31.319 --> 01:12:34.880
love honoring our guests, you know, whether or not we agree on everything,

952
01:12:34.920 --> 01:12:39.760
which we mostly don't, which is
fine. Who does you know in

953
01:12:40.039 --> 01:12:43.520
the world. You know, these
are wonderful people who I really love and

954
01:12:43.560 --> 01:12:48.119
respect for the most part, and
they're just people who are have a passion

955
01:12:48.159 --> 01:12:51.920
for this feel just like I do
and you all do. So it's wonderful

956
01:12:51.960 --> 01:12:56.439
to be able to get this information
out and have people like Jennifer Stein on

957
01:12:56.520 --> 01:13:00.880
the show. So it's a heartfelt
thank you for listening to the show.

958
01:13:00.319 --> 01:13:03.199
And I should give you an update
as far as spacing out. You know,

959
01:13:03.560 --> 01:13:09.880
Michael, who I talked about,
does our videos extremely talented young man.

960
01:13:10.000 --> 01:13:13.640
I mean, our videos spacing out
and everything looks so polished and professional.

961
01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:16.960
He's just I'm just in awe of
his abilities. But he's going to

962
01:13:17.079 --> 01:13:20.319
China on a trip, so this
is really cool. But because he's going

963
01:13:20.399 --> 01:13:23.439
to be gone, we're not going
to have spacing out for a couple of

964
01:13:23.439 --> 01:13:27.239
weeks. But we'll be back and
then I'm going on a cruise soon after

965
01:13:27.279 --> 01:13:30.520
that, so we probably won't have
one that week too, so we'll be

966
01:13:30.560 --> 01:13:33.239
hit or miss, but it'll be
a couple weeks till we have one.

967
01:13:33.560 --> 01:13:36.560
But we do have one that we've
posted on Friday, so go check that

968
01:13:36.600 --> 01:13:41.960
out. Go check out out YouTube
and you'll see our brand new or no

969
01:13:42.039 --> 01:13:44.399
way, don't that was two weeks
ago. Noat, I think about it

970
01:13:44.439 --> 01:13:48.680
because Maureen and Jason were off with
the Mandalorians at this Star Wars thing with

971
01:13:49.079 --> 01:13:54.680
hanging with our two and the Ringcorps
Monster and if you want to know what

972
01:13:54.680 --> 01:13:59.640
I'm talking about, check out their
facebooks and their tweets and you'll see pictures

973
01:13:59.680 --> 01:14:01.640
of those guys having fun. And
then Michael and I were looking at video

974
01:14:01.720 --> 01:14:06.079
tech stuff in Vegas, so we
had a busy week last week. Anyway,

975
01:14:06.119 --> 01:14:11.039
we'll have shows back soon. Thank
you all so much for listening.

976
01:14:11.199 --> 01:14:15.880
Thanks for joining once again. And
we will be back soon with another open

977
01:14:16.000 --> 01:14:58.079
mind. UFO Radio, You guys
have a great week and audio schatos,

978
01:15:18.640 --> 01:15:23.479
your emotionless sound, the glasses of
hurrying