WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.240 --> 00:00:21.800 You're listening to your worst friend going deeper. You're listening to your worst friend 2 00:00:21.879 --> 00:00:26.839 going Deeper with Shane and Matt. I'm Matt, joined today by my co 3 00:00:26.920 --> 00:00:31.120 host and friend Shane. Hello, Hello, thank you. We have a 4 00:00:31.160 --> 00:00:35.520 very special guests with us today, Miss Alison Ray. Now I'm gonna spell 5 00:00:35.719 --> 00:00:39.159 People get a little annoyed because I spell out the plug every single time, 6 00:00:39.159 --> 00:00:41.920 So I'm going to spell out her name once for you and then you plug 7 00:00:41.960 --> 00:00:45.960 and play, or better yet, just go in the episode description and click 8 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:49.000 all of her links because you can do that too. So it's Alison Ray 9 00:00:49.240 --> 00:00:53.359 A L I s O N one L and ray is r E y. 10 00:00:53.560 --> 00:00:57.200 I want you to go and follow her on Instagram A ray O Sunshine a 11 00:00:57.679 --> 00:01:03.600 r e y O Sunshine, Twitter, Alison Ray x x X only fans 12 00:01:03.679 --> 00:01:08.680 Alison Ray XO, TikTok, Allison Unhinged, and you can check out all 13 00:01:08.719 --> 00:01:12.239 of her stuff at our like main page at Alison Ray Fans dot com. 14 00:01:12.319 --> 00:01:15.920 Alison, thank you very much for joining us today. Hello, thank you 15 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:19.439 for having me. When I was a kid, there was a girl I 16 00:01:19.480 --> 00:01:23.959 went to elementary school with named Alison, and in a way she kind of 17 00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:27.439 looked like you, there are certain facial features and stuff. She was much 18 00:01:27.519 --> 00:01:33.400 less attractive than you. She always used to chew on her hair. She 19 00:01:33.519 --> 00:01:37.239 was that girl in class. Do you remember that kid in class that always 20 00:01:37.319 --> 00:01:38.879 kind of like chew on their hair and it was sopping wet and grows. 21 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:44.719 Yeah, you weren't that kid, were you? No? No, that 22 00:01:44.840 --> 00:01:47.879 was me. Yeah, that's gross. First question out of the way. 23 00:01:47.959 --> 00:01:51.799 Cool. Can you tell us how you jumped into the industry, how you 24 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:56.079 got your start? Yeah? Who you started shooting with? Stuff like that? 25 00:01:56.519 --> 00:02:02.040 Sure, I was in the industry because I met a girl. My 26 00:02:02.079 --> 00:02:06.400 boyfriend and I at the time were on a swinger's website. We were trying 27 00:02:06.400 --> 00:02:08.520 to find people closer to our age. Like you know, it was all 28 00:02:08.599 --> 00:02:14.080 very new to me, and you know, most couples that are exploring on 29 00:02:14.240 --> 00:02:16.520 monogamy or in their thirties forties, and I'm just like this little eighteen year 30 00:02:16.560 --> 00:02:20.479 old, I'm like, I want somebody close to my age. So the 31 00:02:20.479 --> 00:02:23.599 one couple that we found, we were getting to know them as you do, 32 00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:30.199 and she was telling me, like I asked her, like what do 33 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:31.800 you do for a living? And she was like, I'll tell you, 34 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:34.879 but don't freak out. I was like, are you a drug dealer? 35 00:02:35.159 --> 00:02:38.159 Like what and she's like, well, I do porn. I was like, 36 00:02:38.599 --> 00:02:40.599 cool, tell me about it. And she was a student, Like 37 00:02:40.680 --> 00:02:45.919 I was so much better than international arms dealer, right, Like you were 38 00:02:45.919 --> 00:02:49.280 relieved when I heard that human trafficker. Yeah. I was like, oh, 39 00:02:49.400 --> 00:02:53.159 that's that's it, okay, cool whatever, and told her to tell 40 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:57.840 me about it and she did, and I was like, that sounds awesome 41 00:02:57.840 --> 00:03:00.919 because she was a student. She goes up to LA for a week, 42 00:03:00.439 --> 00:03:06.199 shoots, comes home, study, uses her money for the next three weeks, 43 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:07.039 and does it once a month. And I was like, that sounds 44 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:13.599 like a really great way to make a living wall I'm focused on my studies. 45 00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:15.439 So she helped me get an agent, went out to LA shot my 46 00:03:15.439 --> 00:03:22.199 first few scenes. My first scenes were with lethal hardcore ATKA girlfriends, Reality 47 00:03:22.280 --> 00:03:25.439 Kings, Team Ski and real girls play like I just kind of you know 48 00:03:25.599 --> 00:03:31.520 rich like did all of the things the first week and born. So let 49 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:37.000 me ask um, is that typical of girls in the inter Are you still 50 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:39.199 good with that person or no? Because I've heard that story a million times 51 00:03:39.439 --> 00:03:44.039 and those stories don't generally end well. I normally ask like, are you 52 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:46.639 still friends with that person? They're like, no, I burned their house 53 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:47.520 down. I don't want to speak to them anymore. And you're like, 54 00:03:47.520 --> 00:03:52.319 oh, fuck, all right, good moving on you still well. She 55 00:03:52.919 --> 00:03:57.039 and I actually never even met in person. We never got there. It 56 00:03:57.120 --> 00:04:00.639 was just kind of like texting. And she left the industry probably six months 57 00:04:00.680 --> 00:04:04.039 after that happened, and we didn't really keep in touch. So it's not 58 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:09.319 that we're not good, we're just like nothing actively friends. Yeah, sure, 59 00:04:09.439 --> 00:04:13.840 sure, okay, nothing in common after one and a bang. It 60 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:17.360 wasn't even yeah, yeah, pretty much. It was like, I think 61 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:21.079 she broke up with the guy that she was with at the time, and 62 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:27.160 then there was you know, no like swapping to happen, and she wasn't 63 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:30.160 like I don't think she was super attracted to my boyfriend at the time. 64 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:32.639 It was just yeah, it just didn't work out. Sure, But you 65 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:35.839 dove in and it seems like you grab mainstream stuff right off the bat, 66 00:04:35.959 --> 00:04:41.240 right Is that typical for a lot of girls that you've you've seen or I'll 67 00:04:41.240 --> 00:04:44.160 be honest with you, we've done work with Team ski before. I'm very 68 00:04:44.160 --> 00:04:46.720 appreciative of all the big name sites and everything like that, especially the exposure 69 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:50.800 they give. I like the grimy, dirtier sites, the sites that are 70 00:04:50.879 --> 00:04:55.480 like not disgusting. I'm not talking about like dogs and such, but the 71 00:04:55.560 --> 00:04:58.959 sites that are a little more like, Oh, Metallica is playing in the 72 00:04:58.959 --> 00:05:02.319 background. That doesn't seemed like a licensed song, but hey it's there anyway. 73 00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:08.360 Are yeah a little bit? Um? Is it just that you were 74 00:05:08.399 --> 00:05:11.480 so beautiful you were like, oh, all the major studios will just grab 75 00:05:11.480 --> 00:05:13.879 me right off the bat, It's okay, and then they took you on? 76 00:05:14.079 --> 00:05:16.720 Or were you a good sorry, my questions go on forever. Were 77 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:19.879 you like good work ethic, like you really pushed hard to grab like the 78 00:05:19.920 --> 00:05:24.600 biggest names. Was that always your intention or were you just like what pays 79 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:30.639 the most got it? Um? Well, I honestly I didn't. It 80 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:34.120 was just kind of the side of the industry that I fell into because she 81 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:39.279 was shooting for you know, a lot, Like she had an agent OC 82 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:43.639 Modeling and they're just like one of the mainstream agents, and so when I 83 00:05:43.720 --> 00:05:46.800 met her, like she just had contacts in the mainstream industry, and then 84 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:50.519 when I found an agent, like the agents in charge of getting me good 85 00:05:50.519 --> 00:05:55.800 work and a lot of agents, especially if they're licensed in Los Angeles, 86 00:05:56.519 --> 00:06:00.959 they're gonna only book you with, you know, really repeatable websites. So 87 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:04.600 it was never really my goal too. It was funny because when I got 88 00:06:04.639 --> 00:06:06.759 in the industry, I was very like I wanted to dip my toe in, 89 00:06:06.800 --> 00:06:09.800 like I was a little bit hesitant. I was like, I don't 90 00:06:09.839 --> 00:06:12.839 know if I really want anybody to see this, Like I want to like 91 00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:15.439 try it out first. So I even't ask my agent to you know, 92 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:19.639 book me with like some of the smaller sites to begin with, because I 93 00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:24.079 just wanted to be able to see what it was like before, you know, 94 00:06:24.279 --> 00:06:28.360 potentially ruining my entire life, as they tell you we do. And 95 00:06:30.439 --> 00:06:36.000 it was yeah, I actually never intended on making a career out of it. 96 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:40.319 But here I am eight and a half years later, and so I 97 00:06:40.360 --> 00:06:44.279 read that I read an interview with you where you were eighteen at the time 98 00:06:44.360 --> 00:06:47.639 you'd shot eight scenes or such, I think, and your stated goal in 99 00:06:47.720 --> 00:06:50.160 the thing was I want to get out of this by the time I'm out 100 00:06:50.199 --> 00:06:54.720 of college. Now are you doing like a Tommy Boy type of college thing? 101 00:06:54.759 --> 00:06:58.639 Are you still there nine years later or are we no? Are you 102 00:06:58.680 --> 00:07:02.079 getting your doctorate next week, Like, how's this working out? I graduated 103 00:07:02.680 --> 00:07:06.399 a criple major in twenty sixteen. What kind of degrees do you have? 104 00:07:08.519 --> 00:07:13.160 Psychology, sociology, and justice? How did those things help you in this 105 00:07:13.240 --> 00:07:17.000 industry? I'm not saying don't. I'm actually asking that was not farcastic yet, 106 00:07:17.079 --> 00:07:25.279 no, no m in justice. I mean it's definitely like, um, 107 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:29.240 not educated. I don't know. It's contributed to my social activism. 108 00:07:29.680 --> 00:07:33.600 So I volunteer for the Center for Positive Sexuality and I've been very involved when 109 00:07:33.600 --> 00:07:38.680 the FC or APAC is doing, you know, if they're like doing any 110 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:41.319 kind of like lobbying, like back when Prop sixty was a thing. I 111 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:45.040 don't know, like twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen. I try to be very 112 00:07:45.040 --> 00:07:47.600 active in those in those circles. And I guess sociology kind of plays in 113 00:07:47.639 --> 00:07:54.360 that too, So like justice and sociology, I've definitely opened my mind from 114 00:07:54.959 --> 00:08:00.920 how I was raised to being more open to you know, a diverse crowd 115 00:08:00.959 --> 00:08:03.199 of people in this industry, and not only just like the performers and the 116 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:07.959 directors and crew members, but even outside, you know, even like on 117 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:13.480 the fan side. I feel like I've gotten a lot of benefit from what 118 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:20.560 I've learned about people and groups of people and how you know, groups interact 119 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:24.759 with each other in othering. And it's just given me kind of a well 120 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:31.319 rounded perspective on the job here. I don't feel like I've ever been naive 121 00:08:31.360 --> 00:08:33.919 about what it would be. Well, okay, no, at the beginning, 122 00:08:33.919 --> 00:08:35.600 it was definitely naive, but I hadn't graduated yet, I hadn't learned 123 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:39.240 all of the things I had learned. Yeah, yeah, you weren't certified 124 00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:43.399 yet. Sure, exactly does that? Does that help you at all give 125 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:48.320 advice to other performers or new girls coming into the industry or do you? 126 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:52.320 I guess rely more on your industry experience for that type of thing. Definitely 127 00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:56.240 rely more on industry experience for that type of thing. I think it's more 128 00:08:56.279 --> 00:09:03.440 helpful. In terms of marketing, there's been anything totally can you? Marketing 129 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:09.440 is mostly psychology? Sure? Sure? Can you? Yeah? Your video 130 00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:13.799 froze up below? Can you hear me? Maybe? I can hear you. 131 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:16.879 I can hear you, Shane, I can hear you both cut out? 132 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:22.320 Yes, there you are something? Now there you are? Hi, 133 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:28.120 I'm moving my hands. Yeah, um, can you? Because we also 134 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:31.320 we do a series called Yours from Brand New Faces where we talk to new 135 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:35.279 girls getting into the industry, um try and give them like a step up, 136 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:39.759 or also gather some of the information from the big names we've interviewed and 137 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:46.120 kind of teach them. Not like we're educators anybody. Yeah, that's true, 138 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:50.960 you're not. Uh, you know. We try and tell them some 139 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:52.639 of the ways that we've seen people try and scam them or get over on 140 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:56.799 them. And I got to be honest, We've done some interviews where I 141 00:09:56.879 --> 00:09:58.639 look at the girl and there's no offense to the girl themselves, and I'm 142 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:01.360 not going to name any of them for that reason, and I go, 143 00:10:01.679 --> 00:10:05.159 I don't think they have the mentality for this. And I won't tell them 144 00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:11.120 that because I'm not going to pop a bubble, but maybe someone should and 145 00:10:11.519 --> 00:10:15.639 let them know. Does your sociology or psychology, any of those backgrounds. 146 00:10:15.679 --> 00:10:18.360 Can you look at a new girl coming into the industry and go, like, 147 00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:24.200 six months, that's what she's got? Yeah? Does having three degrees 148 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:30.240 make you a fortune teller? It does not. It does not in fact 149 00:10:30.320 --> 00:10:35.039 making me a fortune teller. But I think it's hard today too, because 150 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:39.000 you know, if you had asked me this question four years ago. I 151 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:41.759 think I might have said, yeah, I can tell who's going to be 152 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:46.679 in and out. But now with only fans, like people can stand for 153 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:48.720 a really long time, like not working for it, Like I think you 154 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:54.720 do have to have a certain mental fortitude and work ethic in order to be 155 00:10:54.799 --> 00:11:01.360 successful in the mainstream, you know, industry shooting for studio. But now 156 00:11:01.399 --> 00:11:05.240 that it's you know, gotten really diluted, with a lot of only fans 157 00:11:05.279 --> 00:11:07.919 creators, I just think the landscape is so different. I can't tell who's 158 00:11:07.919 --> 00:11:13.120 going to succeed in who's not, because you know, somebody might do really 159 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:16.519 really well at home alone, while somebody else does really really great at the 160 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:20.639 studios. Let me ask you a question, because I've been kicking this one 161 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:24.600 around for a while. Who can make more money nowadays? A girl that 162 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:31.200 looks ten out of ten or a girl that is a six out of ten 163 00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:35.159 but knows the social media algorithms like it's the back of her hand. I 164 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:39.519 think it's I think it's the second one. I think it's all about social 165 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:46.559 media algorithms, and it depends you know, it depends on not even to 166 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:50.639 social media algorithms, but how much bandwidth? Does she have to run her 167 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:56.480 only fans or does she have a good enough team behind her that is making 168 00:11:56.480 --> 00:12:00.679 her that money? Because it's you know, it's not even neces sarily about 169 00:12:00.799 --> 00:12:03.879 who you know, you ask who's going to make more money? A ten 170 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:07.200 out of ten or six out of ten? I'm like, well, six 171 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:11.320 out of ten. Who knows social media algorithms, probably understands marketing. She's 172 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:13.720 going to make a good amount of money. However, what are the fans 173 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:18.679 willing to pay her compared to a ten out of ten? And how many 174 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:22.519 more people are actually seeing? You know, Like it's so complicated. I 175 00:12:22.559 --> 00:12:26.559 think it really depends on the girl, but yeah, you more likely. 176 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:31.879 Second, you mentioned something else there too, and who's supporting her? And 177 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:35.480 I get you meant the fans, but it's like it made me think of 178 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:39.960 like who's supporting the performer? As in, like, you know, you 179 00:12:41.039 --> 00:12:43.720 have your agent. I don't know if you have a manager separately or whatever, 180 00:12:45.360 --> 00:12:48.120 And I don't know how you shoot any content that you that you do 181 00:12:48.159 --> 00:12:54.360 on your own. But if you don't know how to use a camera, 182 00:12:54.399 --> 00:12:58.240 if you don't know how to edit or whatever, you're going to be lost, 183 00:12:58.440 --> 00:13:01.679 you know, so you've got to have either a background, or you've 184 00:13:01.679 --> 00:13:05.720 got to be a really quick learner, or you've got to have people to 185 00:13:05.799 --> 00:13:11.320 help you build your brand. So what how did you I know that you 186 00:13:11.559 --> 00:13:16.039 um, you shot with what Reality Kings team skeet you said, m quite 187 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:20.879 a few right at the beginning? Was it just a really good agent and 188 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:26.159 and and how do you keep the momentum going now? Is it just you 189 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:31.720 jack of all trades or I guess jail of all trades or do you have 190 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:33.919 like a bunch of folks you know, helping you out doing your makeup and 191 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:41.799 editing your videos and stuff. Sure? Um, two part question. So 192 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:43.679 at the beginning, yeah, it was just because I had a good agent 193 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:50.840 who had you know that they have all the contacts for the directors and all 194 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:54.759 that, and especially sites like Teams to Eat, Reality Kings Love Love like 195 00:13:54.879 --> 00:13:58.039 you know, brand new girls because it's such an appeal for them. So 196 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:05.559 you know, it wasn't too hard to get take my wife guys, Yeah, 197 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:09.279 not you, not you, nor website. Got it, got it? 198 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:16.360 Got it? Um? And then now I don't have like a bunch 199 00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:22.159 of people, but I do have a small staff to help me with my 200 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:26.279 social media posts to help me manage my content. So there's some editing being 201 00:14:26.279 --> 00:14:31.960 done, uploading and tagging posts or like like tagging pornhub videos. Right, 202 00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:37.120 So all of the websites where you upload your clips, they want you to 203 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:39.480 like write a description. You gotta tag your coworkers, you gotta you do. 204 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:43.240 There's so many buttons you have to click in order to just upload a 205 00:14:43.320 --> 00:14:46.720 video if you wanted to get exactly it's time consuming and I just don't have 206 00:14:46.799 --> 00:14:52.240 that kind of time. So I have somebody helping me with that. Um 207 00:14:52.279 --> 00:14:58.000 and then I also have a live in assistant, if you will, just 208 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:01.840 kind of helping with like day to day task so I can kind of focus 209 00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:07.000 on creating content and stuff. The key is, and we've said this in 210 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:11.080 other interviews before Shane a while ago, you need a simple army, is 211 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:15.519 what I think you girls need. You girls really need someone like I'll see 212 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:18.240 one of our first big interviews of Sarah Ja, we interview, Wow, 213 00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:22.480 she's great, but you'll see, I mean, ten times a day some 214 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:26.240 fan is letting her know, hey, there's a fake account of you out 215 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:28.720 here, or retweeting her over here, or to push in this or whatever. 216 00:15:30.120 --> 00:15:35.240 And I think the most successful girls are the girls that really like hit 217 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:39.240 a connection with fans where they're able to go like, hey, I need 218 00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:41.919 you just as much as you like watching my stuff. So maybe not I 219 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:46.720 need you, like don't fucking come in my backyard, but you know, 220 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:50.320 tag me in this, push this, promote this, do whatever. And 221 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:58.240 I don't know that enough of you performers do that, like use those resources 222 00:15:58.279 --> 00:16:00.480 as well as you can. I'm not saying you necessarily, yeah, just 223 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:04.320 in general. I mean, you guys, some of you have hundreds of 224 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:08.519 thousands of people who are like, hey, these guys, you know what 225 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:12.120 you're back and call push it. I think I think part of the problem 226 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:18.120 with that is, well it's it's twofold. One is then you're you're crossing 227 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:25.639 a boundary from fan and support or to somebody who then feels entitled to your 228 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:30.399 time, your attention. A lot of times they will abuse you, know 229 00:16:30.519 --> 00:16:36.759 whatever contact Like if I've DM somebody one time because they offer something like, 230 00:16:37.039 --> 00:16:40.440 they will then d because unless I block them, and I'm like, I'm 231 00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:42.919 not trying to block anybody. Unless I block them, it's highly likely that 232 00:16:42.960 --> 00:16:47.200 they're going to be dming me all the time. And then getting upset with 233 00:16:47.240 --> 00:16:51.039 me when I don't respond. So, yes, having a symbarmy great, 234 00:16:51.679 --> 00:16:55.480 but it gets it's a slippery slope, you know, like because they don't 235 00:16:55.519 --> 00:16:59.080 realize that even though yes, we want help, we're willing to like show 236 00:16:59.080 --> 00:17:02.480 our appreciation and like even give you a few free bees for it, Like 237 00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:07.079 it does not grant you unlimited access to us. But that's what they think 238 00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:11.599 they're getting when you accept their help. You're not on the staff, is 239 00:17:11.599 --> 00:17:15.119 what. Yeah, you would need another staff member to deal with them. 240 00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:18.359 Yeah exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, well I just mean the guys 241 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:22.000 doing this or the people doing this you're not on the staff. Don't think 242 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:26.279 you're being on the staff. I wonder if dominatrixes can get away with that 243 00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:27.160 a little bit of easy. Oh I think they can. I think they 244 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:33.279 absolutely can. Yeah yeah, yeah, I have really been like I don't 245 00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:37.359 want to like get more into dom work just so I can have like a 246 00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:41.240 stack and able to yah. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna. Yeah. 247 00:17:42.279 --> 00:17:47.559 So you mentioned some of your activism right now, what is apack? Who's 248 00:17:47.799 --> 00:17:51.480 Who's the president of a pack? I feel like it's somebody we've talked to 249 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:56.720 Biden. No, I don't think. I don't know at this moment. 250 00:17:56.759 --> 00:18:00.359 I know they just I feel like they just turned over. It spent of 251 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:04.480 minutes since I've done any things for a pack, Okay, I've been Sure. 252 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:07.920 Tell me about your activism, though, tell me about what you're interested 253 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:11.319 in, what you're pushing, what you really want to get through with that 254 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:17.359 kind of activism. Sure, I'm really passionate about the humanization of sex workers, 255 00:18:17.720 --> 00:18:22.799 so I do that just with my brand in general, but also specifically 256 00:18:22.839 --> 00:18:29.119 with the Center for Positive Sexuality. So they it's the Center for Positive Sexuality 257 00:18:29.160 --> 00:18:37.759 Los Angeles, and we do all sorts of things. There's a research guess 258 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:45.640 a division of our organization, and I am part of the education division, 259 00:18:45.799 --> 00:18:53.640 so I volunteer. And what we do is various colleges, mostly around California 260 00:18:53.680 --> 00:18:59.640 that we have had, like a few other colleges hire us at the center. 261 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:04.079 What they'll do is they will book a panel when we have I want 262 00:19:04.079 --> 00:19:08.720 to say, like seven different categories of panels, and let's say it's a 263 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:12.799 sex work panel, and there's a few different panels I like am part of 264 00:19:12.799 --> 00:19:15.599 because I identify that way. But for sex worker panel, you know, 265 00:19:15.599 --> 00:19:19.359 they'll they'll ask us who's available, and then we'll go and we'll talk to 266 00:19:19.359 --> 00:19:22.839 a class, we'll give our presentation on like what sex work is. And 267 00:19:23.079 --> 00:19:32.599 the primary goal of the center is to humanize the people involved in these various 268 00:19:32.640 --> 00:19:37.960 aspects because it's so often sensationalized, like in the media and just you know, 269 00:19:37.039 --> 00:19:41.920 in society in general, that we're just trying to like put faces to 270 00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:45.440 these ideas so people can see like, yeah, we are normal people that 271 00:19:45.519 --> 00:19:49.440 just you know, like something a little bit different, and yeah, so 272 00:19:49.680 --> 00:19:56.920 that's you know, my focus right now is because they're all like college classes 273 00:19:56.920 --> 00:19:59.920 that are like human sexuality, so they are people that are already kind of 274 00:20:00.039 --> 00:20:03.559 open minded to that, and then getting to talk to them directly so we 275 00:20:03.599 --> 00:20:07.519 have our presentations and they can ask questions, which is like the most valuable 276 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:08.640 part of it because then they can really see us, like you know, 277 00:20:08.680 --> 00:20:12.640 it's not just giving like a robotic, you know, lecture, it's they 278 00:20:12.680 --> 00:20:17.720 get to kind of connect with us as humans. And I think that more 279 00:20:17.759 --> 00:20:22.119 than anything like that, like you were talking about the individual connection that we 280 00:20:22.119 --> 00:20:26.599 can utilize, I think beyond just fans, that that's how we break through 281 00:20:27.319 --> 00:20:32.799 the stigma of society is actually connecting with more humans as much as possible. 282 00:20:33.079 --> 00:20:36.039 Well, she has it in her bio. I don't know. You know 283 00:20:36.119 --> 00:20:40.160 it's Anna Fox right now. Has a violence there you go. Yeah, 284 00:20:40.160 --> 00:20:44.759 we've interview before. Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's great to me and 285 00:20:44.799 --> 00:20:48.079 she uh, she pushes it. Now let me play devil's advocate. Let's 286 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:52.640 let's have a little discussion here about this, right, and you'll be able 287 00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:56.400 to assess this with your psychology degree, because I just have a film degree, 288 00:20:56.400 --> 00:21:00.680 which means I get to be a podcast that's about it, um and 289 00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:04.240 I can edit this real nice afterwards. Don't worry about it. Um. 290 00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:08.559 So part of it is the the when we talk about the humanization of sex 291 00:21:08.599 --> 00:21:11.480 workers and stuff like that, are we talking about legally? Are we talking 292 00:21:11.480 --> 00:21:15.559 about in the eyes of people? Are we talking what do we want to 293 00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:21.559 do? Um? Hoping in all aspects, but the main concern just just 294 00:21:21.759 --> 00:21:23.960 legally, we're just still going to look at them like pieces of fucking garbage. 295 00:21:25.599 --> 00:21:27.680 What are you talking? Okay, So I'm saying, I'm saying, 296 00:21:27.720 --> 00:21:33.200 like, why go ahead, I'm I'm making I'm making like a cynical point 297 00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:36.359 about no, you said it was like you said it with like no tone 298 00:21:36.400 --> 00:21:40.319 though, so it almost sounded like you were just like, oh, yeah, 299 00:21:40.319 --> 00:21:41.720 well that was yeah, that was the point is so it sounded harsh 300 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:47.240 and an abrasive. But anyway, so you know, like the the idea 301 00:21:47.319 --> 00:21:51.559 is like why why wouldn't they be humanized in every conceivable way? You know, 302 00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:56.279 like if she tells me they're not trying to get them humanized in every 303 00:21:56.279 --> 00:21:59.000 way, then we're going to have a problem. I agree, it was 304 00:21:59.039 --> 00:22:03.559 a stupid question. My point was more that I'm a big sports fan and 305 00:22:03.799 --> 00:22:08.200 I watch players get hounded for the things they do and and stuff like that, 306 00:22:08.559 --> 00:22:12.799 and I wonder if there's a part of the psychology where viewers of porn 307 00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:18.720 dehumanize sexual person stuff like that. Absolutely, but but is there an aspect 308 00:22:18.759 --> 00:22:22.000 of it that not that you agree with, not that you think is good 309 00:22:22.039 --> 00:22:26.519 by any stretch, but you kind of can you understand why they do that? 310 00:22:26.599 --> 00:22:30.880 To another one hundred one hundred percent? No, I completely understand it. 311 00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:37.519 Um. I think the problem actually, like, I think the reason 312 00:22:37.559 --> 00:22:42.559 people do it is because of the shame that we have been taught to have 313 00:22:42.599 --> 00:22:48.279 around our sexuality in our society, because it's like a largely like even though 314 00:22:48.359 --> 00:22:53.680 like we're a little bit. You know, we're moving past, Like Yeah, 315 00:22:53.720 --> 00:22:56.839 even though we're moving past like Christian America, like, it's still very 316 00:22:56.920 --> 00:23:02.039 like there's still a lot of soul norms that are still very much based in 317 00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:10.319 Christian values. And I think in order for people to enjoy their sexuality and 318 00:23:10.440 --> 00:23:15.039 masturbate to porn, there needs to be a certain level of objectification of the 319 00:23:15.079 --> 00:23:22.599 person, because if they were to accept that it was like a real person, 320 00:23:22.759 --> 00:23:27.720 it would make them feel bad about what they're doing and watching, because 321 00:23:27.759 --> 00:23:33.480 they would see themselves as a bad person for watching this other person in such 322 00:23:33.480 --> 00:23:37.599 an intimate way. But because we can't like openly express our desires and our 323 00:23:40.119 --> 00:23:45.319 just spexual interests, we have to separate ourselves from that experience, or most 324 00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:51.599 people do, in order to actually enjoy it. So is the path to 325 00:23:52.480 --> 00:23:59.480 humanizing sex performers and sex workers is the first step? Or is the last 326 00:23:59.519 --> 00:24:06.480 step? Or any step? Is Is that on the viewers part to recognize 327 00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:12.480 and deal with that shame that they are projecting onto the performer. I think 328 00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:15.480 it's very much a chicken and egg kind of question. I don't know if 329 00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:18.759 it's the first step or the last step, but it's it's in there. 330 00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:25.480 I think it's it's a both and we. I think in humanizing performers, 331 00:24:26.920 --> 00:24:32.759 like, for instance, on my TikTok, I my original TikTok anyway Virol 332 00:24:32.759 --> 00:24:34.960 and TikTok, and I had a lot of people telling me like, thank 333 00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:41.599 you so much for showing you and you know, because it largely became like 334 00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:45.279 a very personal TikTok page. It wasn't just there to promote my porn. 335 00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:48.640 It was just like, Hi, this is me, and people are like, 336 00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:52.359 oh wow, like I you know, I'd never really seen you know, 337 00:24:52.759 --> 00:24:56.160 the person behind the porn performer, and this was like really interesting. 338 00:24:56.200 --> 00:25:00.039 And then when I would answer their questions about the industry, a lot of 339 00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:03.279 them are like, wow, like this makes me feel a lot better about 340 00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:06.960 watching porn like this, you know, it's nice to see this side, 341 00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:11.039 to know that what I'm consuming, you know, is consensual. So I 342 00:25:11.079 --> 00:25:17.920 think in humanizing performers on TikTok, like people actually got more comfortable with their 343 00:25:17.960 --> 00:25:22.279 sexuality and if they're working through their shame, I think it's a lot easier 344 00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:26.960 to humanize performers. So like, yeah, I think it's depend on a 345 00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:32.519 person. It's like, what is the thing a feedback. Yeah, yeah, 346 00:25:32.559 --> 00:25:36.079 totally, that's awesome. So then do you have to walk just a 347 00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:41.480 razor's edge though, in terms of humanizing yourself while also keeping certain people at 348 00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:45.119 bay, I mean certain fans at bay. Like again, we talked about 349 00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:48.319 that barrier that you don't want to cross, right, you don't want to 350 00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:52.720 you don't want you know, some guy on Twitter to go a house and 351 00:25:52.839 --> 00:25:56.039 ray it's my girlfriend and you go, okay, well that's fucking crazy. 352 00:25:56.119 --> 00:26:02.079 She's not. But okay, how do you humanize yourself to that? While 353 00:26:02.119 --> 00:26:07.119 also saying I am a celebrity though, so you know, don't come in 354 00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:11.319 my backyard again, don't swift me. You're not allowed in my neighborhood. 355 00:26:11.319 --> 00:26:15.680 Thank you. Right, I've been fortunate enough that I haven't had that experience 356 00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:22.319 with my fans. And that is the other thing is I don't really posture 357 00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:25.519 myself as a celebrity, Like that's the whole thing is like I am a 358 00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:29.160 human being and this is my job, and well I do enjoy my job, 359 00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:33.200 Like I don't think I'm you know, more special than anybody else, 360 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:37.599 just because this is what I do for a living. And I think because 361 00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:41.920 of that, and then I'm open about that. I think it actually like 362 00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:47.720 desensationalizes me so that people aren't trying to cross those boundaries. But I think 363 00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:53.640 there is something really appealing about having something that we can't have, And so 364 00:26:53.839 --> 00:27:00.400 maybe I hurt my career in certain ways because I'm probably like ostracizing myself from 365 00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:04.480 certain fans who like love the idea of like I can't even have her, 366 00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:07.960 yeah, the fantasy, and like I can't have her, so like I'll 367 00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:11.920 you know, I'll pay whatever to like get like a piece of her. 368 00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:15.759 But that's just never been like I've never been comfortable with that, Like it 369 00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:22.279 doesn't like I enjoy making people feel good because like that's who I am, 370 00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:25.240 and like, yes, of course, like a little bit of notoriety, 371 00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:33.240 like the attention wonderful. But I'm not comfortable having such a big divide between 372 00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:38.319 me and my fans because I do think sex and just pleasure are such intimate 373 00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:42.920 experiences that I, like, I actually do enjoy having those with people, 374 00:27:42.920 --> 00:27:48.680 and I would much rather have a small set of devoted fans who really value 375 00:27:49.720 --> 00:27:53.519 the depth of myself that I give to them than a bunch of fans who 376 00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:59.240 only know me and appreciate me superficially. Sure. Sure. Can I ask 377 00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:00.359 you, Shane, We've done this in the past, we haven't done this 378 00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:06.079 recently, but could you rank from me in order why you're in porn? 379 00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:08.400 Oh? No, not that other one chain. Maybe we'll get to that 380 00:28:08.440 --> 00:28:12.400 too. Can you rank for me in order why you're importn money, the 381 00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:22.079 sex, the fame. Oh. I feel like I need to answer from 382 00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:26.599 when I got in too now, because like it is evolved. A lot 383 00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:30.440 of people say that, yeah, really really okay, Um, I think 384 00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:37.000 when I first got into porn, it was the money. Hell yeah, 385 00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:41.440 and then the sex and then the fame. Okay, Now I got to 386 00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:56.599 really think about this. I think now, Oh, I think it's now 387 00:28:56.640 --> 00:29:00.599 the money, the fame, the sex. Okay, Okay, see that 388 00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:03.519 in a way it seems natural. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not calling you 389 00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:07.240 out. I'm not saying whatever. Doesn't that in a little bit of a 390 00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:11.440 way contradict what you said a second ago in terms of the same being second 391 00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:14.200 there, Like the money is always this is your job. You want this 392 00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:17.440 to be your job, you know, would you take an office job for 393 00:29:17.480 --> 00:29:21.759 the same amount of money you make? Wow? No, but that's not 394 00:29:21.799 --> 00:29:26.680 because of the sex or the fame. Oh yeah, the social No, 395 00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:30.599 no, it's I don't believe. I mean, so you can spread your 396 00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:33.200 message, go ahead. Sorry. I also that's okay, that's okay. 397 00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:38.039 Um, it's literally like I wouldn't take an office job if it was for 398 00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:42.640 the same amount of money because I never want to work for anybody else again 399 00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:45.640 in my life. Oh yeah, fair enough. Yeah, yeah, I 400 00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:51.880 like. I like the power and autonomy that I have over my schedule. 401 00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:55.559 Um, yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't want to have to 402 00:29:55.599 --> 00:29:57.720 listen to anybody else ever. Okay, fair enough. I feel like it 403 00:29:59.079 --> 00:30:02.200 makes sense that aggression. I feel like, no matter why you get in 404 00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:06.720 it, I feel like eventually, if you're still in the industry money, 405 00:30:06.799 --> 00:30:08.680 it makes sense for that to be your number one because like, now, 406 00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:12.920 this is your career, right, Like, so why does anybody you know? 407 00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:19.079 Yeah, I think we're those last two place really tells you more about 408 00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:23.400 somebody who stayed in a while. And the fame I was. I was 409 00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:26.480 thinking the same thing as you, Matt, Like you know, involved with 410 00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:33.720 APAC trying to spread social justice humanized sex workers. You kind of need a 411 00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:37.799 little bit of fame if you're going to do any of that. Meaningfully you 412 00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:41.720 know, sure, I mean, we can't see you at a conference somewhere. 413 00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:45.599 If they're like, oh, here's Alison Ray she is forty two followers 414 00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:48.400 on Twitter, it's like, oh, all right, well, yeah what 415 00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:52.359 she says might make sense. But at the same time, like you know 416 00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:56.119 who is yeah right rus so that the fame comes along with it. But 417 00:30:56.160 --> 00:30:59.960 then again, there are other performers who the fame is, you know, 418 00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:03.519 one of the most important things, getting your name across everything and spread in 419 00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:07.160 because then with that the money comes along as well. So I totally get 420 00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:11.119 that there's no real wrong answer to any of that. Yeah, yeah, 421 00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:14.119 no, it's just kind of a philosophy. And then I think also, 422 00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:17.400 like really the only reason, like I was literally aoud to be like you 423 00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:19.039 know what, no, actually, it's the thing because like I really had 424 00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:22.759 to think for again whether it was sex or the fame. And the reason 425 00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:29.599 that sex and fame switch places are because when I got in I was eighteen, 426 00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:32.960 I still didn't know what I liked and there were just all these hot 427 00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:34.759 people that I wanted to have sex with that like I didn't have to like 428 00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:37.960 be awkward and like hit on people for I didn't need to use tender like 429 00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:44.000 they were just supplied to me. Sure. Um. Now, having been 430 00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:49.839 in the industry for eight years, I know that most of the mainstream sex 431 00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:55.880 that has had is not that pleasurable. It looks great on camera and it's 432 00:31:55.960 --> 00:32:00.559 fun to watch, but it's not. It's not pleasurable like X at home. 433 00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:05.240 So like it's now sex is down on my list. Like yes, 434 00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:07.680 I still love having sex with the very hot people, and I do have 435 00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:10.480 a lot of fun doing it, but it's not nearly as pleasurable as I 436 00:32:10.519 --> 00:32:14.920 expected it to be when I got in the industry. Makes sense? Makes 437 00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:17.359 sense? Let me let me run one of the old classic question, Shane, 438 00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:22.160 and then you can bounce back. What are okay? Sarah? Jay 439 00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:25.720 Again, one of the first people we interviewed has been offered X amount of 440 00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:30.400 thousands, thousands of dollars more than I could even say no too, to 441 00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:34.440 do an anal scene. She never has okay, it's her not her preference. 442 00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:37.400 She doesn't want to do it, you know, five digits across the 443 00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:42.640 board she's been offered, not gonna do it. What is something you would 444 00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:45.319 not take an amount of money? Oh? I guess what did we used 445 00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:49.599 to call it? Shane Sack. Okay, oh yeah. When we first 446 00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:52.200 started doing interviews, we would ask this question and inevitably the girls would say 447 00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:59.160 one of Sack, it was sit animals or kids, and we would point 448 00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:02.880 out, hey, we knew that was out. We're not you know, 449 00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:06.119 like one of the first interviews, that girl goes, well like, I 450 00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:08.039 wouldn't fuck a dog, and I was like, well, we didn't think 451 00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:12.279 you would, and I wouldn't say it on a platform like this, So 452 00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:15.079 Sack is out. We understand that, we're well aware of that. What 453 00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:19.400 is something that, regardless of the amount of money, you're like, I'm 454 00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:22.039 not going to shoot that kind of scene. Is there anything there may not 455 00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:27.319 be? And then I have an inverse question to that after yeah, um 456 00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:45.640 ooh, I maybe like like, triple vadge. I don't even want to 457 00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:50.920 try that, Okay, yeah, okay. At some point, and we 458 00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:52.839 talked about this with another girl as well. I sorry, sorry to always 459 00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:58.279 harken back to other interviews, but it's a triple vadge. The guy in 460 00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:02.319 the middle was having sex with two guys, right, they're in a triangle. 461 00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:06.960 They're all having sex. No, yeah, They're like, She's like, 462 00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:10.199 okay, they're like holding her up and they're just like three dudes. 463 00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:15.639 Okay, so I'm thinking of it like this, right, and well what 464 00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:20.840 you're saying, so it's not one, two three you're saying, it's it's 465 00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:24.880 going in like that because if it was three stacked one, you would have 466 00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:31.480 an enormously tall vagina. Second, the guy in the middle is getting his 467 00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:37.719 friction by rubbing on two other dudes. Yeah, yeah, but no, 468 00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:43.440 this is not that that. I don't think that's possible. I've been five 469 00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:46.679 years. I think I've ever seen Yeah, I think that's more for double. 470 00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:53.880 I feel like maybe holding triple of bags, but like triple that's real. 471 00:34:54.440 --> 00:35:00.039 Yeah, okay, all right, okay, all right, so that's 472 00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:04.320 out. You just worry that's gonna that's gonna send you home with an air 473 00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:07.559 ice pack for a week. Right, I could even do it. No 474 00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:12.480 double, I've ever done double. I have in my personal life. Not 475 00:35:12.519 --> 00:35:16.480 for video, but sure you saving that for video or is that something now? 476 00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:22.079 Was necessarily I would? It was just like, I mean it's hard 477 00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:28.719 to shoot, and it was like it's yeah, like I would, but 478 00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:32.719 it's not like on my priorities list. And also like you know, it's 479 00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:37.159 for such a short amount of time. Sure, And I couldn't do it 480 00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:39.440 for a studio because like I couldn't do it sober like, because I can't 481 00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:43.719 relax enough to like let it happen. So like, you can't shoot that 482 00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:45.960 for a studio. Okay, okay, all right, fair enough. Now 483 00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:51.800 the inverse of that question is you have your rate, say it's whatever number, 484 00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:54.800 and either this type of scene comes along, this type of studio comes 485 00:35:54.840 --> 00:35:59.239 along, whatever it is something you just go wow, I am a fan 486 00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:01.840 of that, and they offer you twenty percent less than your normal rate. 487 00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:06.519 That's what the normal pay is. Is there any type of scene or any 488 00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:08.559 type of studio or any person you would want to work with that you would 489 00:36:08.559 --> 00:36:14.800 take a discount from your normal rate to work with? Oh oh, that's 490 00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:21.440 such a complicated question because the first thing that came to mind was anything for 491 00:36:21.559 --> 00:36:24.519 Vixen Media Group, because I think their stuff is so beautiful. It's just 492 00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:29.280 you know, it's just it looks like high fashion. It's very cool, 493 00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:34.920 luxury corn. However, because I know how much money they make, I 494 00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:39.079 would be offended if they wanted a discount from my rate because my rates to 495 00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:43.400 have, like I've always kept them kind of like the thing like I've never 496 00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:45.280 you know, been like, well, I've been in for X amount of 497 00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:50.960 years. I deserve more. I'm like, I do genuinely like my job, 498 00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:53.360 and I also know, like just you know, supply demand your worth. 499 00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:58.039 I know my worth, and also I know that I'm you know, 500 00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:02.079 not a Sarah Jay and I'm not gonna get you know, like huge rates. 501 00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:06.280 So if they wanted to discount off of my rate, which is like 502 00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:14.079 a very very normal, reasonable rate, I would be offended. Sum is 503 00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:15.760 there? It was, Yeah, how about a type? Do you have 504 00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:20.000 a type of scene that you would like a genre or something where you're like, 505 00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:23.599 wow, I've never really explored that before. And again again we're not 506 00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:30.000 talking Walmart rates. I'm saying we're taking you down. I think it would 507 00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:37.400 be more likely that I would do it because of a person I get to 508 00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:42.760 work with and the person well, so it would be the person I get 509 00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:45.960 to work with, or if it was for let's say a friend's website, 510 00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:50.880 I think, is you who? I would you do that for? Um? 511 00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:54.360 Because I think about like I was thinking, I don't know, maybe 512 00:37:54.440 --> 00:37:57.440 a scene for king dot Com? I like, no, fuck that, 513 00:37:57.559 --> 00:38:01.880 Like I want my full rate yeah, and yeah, I think it would 514 00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:05.320 be like if it was somebody I really really wanted to work with. But 515 00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:09.000 thinking about it, like I can't think of a single person that I haven't 516 00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:13.719 worked with that I want to work with that badly. Like, and it's 517 00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:16.199 not even that it's a lot of money. It's just like nobody comes to 518 00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:22.280 mind, have you worked with Manuel Ferrara? I have not, Okay, 519 00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:25.519 so no, he okay, I want it's life changing. Yeah that's all 520 00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:29.599 I hear. And there's that great grilly girl. Oh yeah, there's some 521 00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:31.760 great clip of the girl. After they cut, she like starts crying. 522 00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:36.920 She's like that shaking, credible thank you, blah blah blah. The best 523 00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:39.840 best marketing he's ever had, by the way, I mean, just insane 524 00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:44.199 marketing to see some girl like break into two. Most of the time after 525 00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:46.760 I'm done, my chick cries too, but it's just because you're so disappointed, 526 00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:52.480 like hurt, but just hurt by the fat crying staring at your sweating 527 00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:57.000 mass. Yeah yeah, yeah, dude, Manuel Ferreira is like the one 528 00:38:57.519 --> 00:39:01.000 dude I would never let my wife be around because it's like she's gonna get 529 00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:05.719 me gone. You know, yours too, Um, he's a snatch him. 530 00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:09.639 Yeah, I've been. I've hung out around Manuel. He was very 531 00:39:09.679 --> 00:39:13.880 attractive. I would, yeah, I would take part of it account for 532 00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:17.760 Manuel. It's just not like I don't know, it's been so long since 533 00:39:19.719 --> 00:39:21.559 I think at this point, I'm just like, I don't know. I 534 00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:22.800 want to like have sex with people who want to have sex with me. 535 00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:29.039 Like he's never hit me up. I'm like me fair enough, and then 536 00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:32.000 everybody else that like I have that I do want to funk, Like we've 537 00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:36.119 probably done it for content if it wasn't for a studio. So I'm like, 538 00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:38.880 I've already done it. A studio is gonna pay me my full rate. 539 00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:45.800 I read in another interview of yours that you started watching porn very young. 540 00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:51.079 I believe, Um, did you have I'm waiting for the girl who 541 00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:54.159 is like around our age and starts naming all female performers that I loved, 542 00:39:54.199 --> 00:39:58.679 and I'd be like, yes, yes, So like I have a wife 543 00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:02.320 with together a long time, I had a long term girlfriend before that. 544 00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:07.199 I've never been without getting laid, and yet I still love collecting porn, 545 00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:10.480 watching porn. Knowing all about the ins and outs of porn, I don't 546 00:40:10.519 --> 00:40:14.239 know why. Maybe it's a mental illness of mine, but I really enjoy 547 00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:21.039 it. Did you have when you were younger? Okay, let's keep it 548 00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:23.840 legal, but not legal. I just don't want to get pulled off at 549 00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:30.079 X videos for this. Did you have favorite performers or what kind of searches 550 00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:34.440 would you go through? And did it happen like all of a sudden, 551 00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:37.239 Like did you just type in like boobs or something like that and it stop? 552 00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:40.239 Or like how does it work? I mean, like, how did 553 00:40:40.239 --> 00:40:43.360 I start watching point? Yeah? How did you get into it? Was 554 00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:46.239 that a friend's house? Was it go ahead? I'm pretty s I was 555 00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:52.400 literally like I just remember being in the cafeteria and my friend saying like, 556 00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:58.840 you have to look at this website. And I went home that day and 557 00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:00.760 I looked at the website that was you know, so it was by myself 558 00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:06.800 and I was checking it out. Um. Also, I may have seen 559 00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:12.760 some girls gone wild commercials at like two am. Yeah. Um, I'm 560 00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:15.320 not sure which came first. It's a gateway drug, yeah, yeah, 561 00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:20.159 very much so, So that was how I got into that. My favorite 562 00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:24.480 performers were Cytheria Yep. I loved watching her squirt squirting. Yep, there 563 00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:30.880 you go. Fay Reagan, I cannot She's so hot. I saw her 564 00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:34.519 in your Little Marquee and I was like, it's Faye Reagan. These are 565 00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:37.159 all my favorites. By the way, yeah, these are all pick no 566 00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:38.599 one can see them. Mix up you because I'm hoping one of you girls 567 00:41:38.679 --> 00:41:42.159 one day will be like, oh I've worked with her before. Faye Reagan. 568 00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:45.400 I love puffy red nipples. Not a huge fan, but they were. 569 00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:47.719 I mean, she's phenomenal. Go ahead continue if you have anyone else. 570 00:41:49.159 --> 00:41:52.559 Um. And then James Dean, I always really liked, you know, 571 00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:57.039 all the cake stuff. I loved the upper floor, UM a lot 572 00:41:57.039 --> 00:42:00.000 of Oh. I loved watching Fucked Hard eighteen, but like massages in the 573 00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:05.960 Blue Room. I actually got to go to his house. I never worked 574 00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:09.199 for him, but like it was like two months in the industry. I 575 00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:13.920 shot with his friend and then after the scene we were like hanging out and 576 00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:16.800 then the owner like invited us over and I got to see the room and 577 00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:22.000 I was like, oh my gosh, this is so cool. So we 578 00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:22.960 could take this out if you want me to. I'm not going to call 579 00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:25.920 anyone out by name, but that kind of brings to mind some things, 580 00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:30.719 and there's been a lot of stuff on Twitter lately. How do you work 581 00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:39.280 I don't know how to phrase this cancelations in your industry? Right? Is 582 00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:44.079 it just a let it sit and see if it clears up? Is it 583 00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:46.920 You'll never work with a bad person ever again, no matter how much good 584 00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:52.760 they do going forward? Is there you know? I don't I'm not saying 585 00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:54.840 any names or anything like that. I just I think you know exactly what 586 00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:58.719 I'm yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. How does that work in your own 587 00:42:58.760 --> 00:43:02.000 personal mindset? Because here was here was the weird thing of a bunch of 588 00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:06.960 cancelations. I saw this last few weeks and seemed to happen every few months. 589 00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:15.119 It's almost like, um, girls will get mad that other girls aren't 590 00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:20.960 backing them per se. Right, Like girl A has a bad shoot with 591 00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:23.639 Guy A. Now Guy A may have had a great shoot with Girl B, 592 00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:29.960 no issues whatsoever. But girl A is expecting Girl B to really like 593 00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:31.800 stand up for her and be like, no, I'll never work with this 594 00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:35.679 guy again. How do you approach that? And how do you see that 595 00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:39.400 type of stuff in your industry? Like you approach cronyism? Sure, yeah, 596 00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:45.800 or or click mentality or because obviously, yes, um, you know, 597 00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:50.800 get the scumbags out, have to have to get the scumbags out. 598 00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:54.280 But what one person, well, one person may interpret as being a scumbag. 599 00:43:54.440 --> 00:43:58.280 He rushed me and was screaming at me. That girl might have showed 600 00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:01.079 up forty five minutes late for a shoot, no makeup or anything like that. 601 00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:06.599 Is it just sussing out the details and making your own opinions on things, 602 00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:09.199 or is it what like, how would you approach that if somebody you 603 00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:14.440 enjoyed working with was all of a sudden on the chopping block. Yeah, 604 00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:22.639 I mean that I have had that experience. I think there's five sides to 605 00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:30.840 every story. And you know, cancel culture is great in some respects because 606 00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:37.159 it does like put some fear into people to not behave, you know, 607 00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:45.719 in some toxic ways. So I think that's helpful. Personally, I do 608 00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:51.000 believe like people, like obviously like people make mistakes, and people are human 609 00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:54.960 beings, and there can be a lot of miscommunication and misunderstandings between people, 610 00:44:55.440 --> 00:45:01.280 and I try to go like I go off of my personal experience or if 611 00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:08.719 the evidence is so blatantly like if they yeah, yeah, if it's overwhelming. 612 00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:12.800 Then I'm like, yeah, I just don't want to take my chances. 613 00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:15.679 But if somebody had already worked with before, who I had a good 614 00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:20.320 experience with, who I felt safe around, Um, I'm not going to 615 00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:23.840 assume that this one person. It's not that I don't believe that she had 616 00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:29.000 a bad experience, sure, but her you know, like sometimes like feelings 617 00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:34.760 aren't facts, right, and a lot of times like feelings get mixed up 618 00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:39.280 into these accusations, and I just like to try to be cheerful of that. 619 00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:44.159 Totally. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, and again I always 620 00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:47.559 feel bad for the girl, the second girl in that equation who's being told, 621 00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:51.760 like why aren't you standing up? I was watching girls fighting over the 622 00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:54.519 last few weeks saying this is good, this one. I say, you 623 00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:58.960 know, you got to show the proof, show the evidence and just kind 624 00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:01.679 of, you know, get the scumbags out there are obviously scumbags. There's 625 00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:07.639 scumbags in every industry, Guys making your hogies, that fucking stink and their 626 00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:09.519 jerk offs. Okay, get them out of there too, Like that's how 627 00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:14.559 it is. But I don't know, Shane, do you have a go 628 00:46:14.679 --> 00:46:16.559 to question? And then any other questions you might well know. I just 629 00:46:16.599 --> 00:46:22.599 think with cancel culture, it's it's it's useful like Christianity is useful, right, 630 00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:27.320 kind of like how you mentioned before. I mean it's like if somebody 631 00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:34.440 who would be doing something really awful is not going to do it because they 632 00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:37.800 feel like God is watching them, is going to punish them or judge them 633 00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:42.400 for it, then who's to say it's wrong? You know? Um, 634 00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:49.639 same for cancel culture. I mean, all opinions aside. It's like it 635 00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:54.159 serves the same role at least where if you if you would have gone out 636 00:46:54.159 --> 00:46:58.840 of your way to be a fucking prick, but now you're not going to 637 00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:01.679 because you're afraid people are going to report you to your job and get you 638 00:47:01.719 --> 00:47:07.599 fired, well then maybe it's not such a bad thing. You see it 639 00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:09.760 as a cross. I see it as like a big gun, and it 640 00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:15.679 can be at the right person, the guy that deserves to get the gun 641 00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:20.119 pointed at them. But then sometimes it can just start spraying off everywhere, 642 00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:23.280 and then you got to watch out for that one. Sometimes Dick Cheney's behind 643 00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:28.280 the trigger, Yeah exactly. I don't know. That guy probably deserved it. 644 00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:30.199 I don't know enough about it his friend. Yeah, he deserved it, 645 00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:34.960 Shane. Your question, Oh, I mean I could have. I 646 00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:37.840 guess I could have just done a little more research on my own before this, 647 00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:40.440 but I yeah, I'll just I'll just ask it. I mean, 648 00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:47.079 how do you like piss? I love that. That was a great you 649 00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:51.559 know, no no transition, just straight to it. I like it. 650 00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:54.280 He did not go to film school actually, which is shocking because you would 651 00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:58.679 think he has that radio idea behind him. Like, let's segue into this, 652 00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:06.239 so a piss Alison Ray, Um, I have filmed a couple of 653 00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:10.599 things, like you know, literally just like me pissing in the woods and 654 00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:15.800 then I'm pretty sure like my ex, like you know, he pissed on 655 00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:19.039 my face for a video. I don't want to drink it, not into 656 00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:22.599 it. Yeah yeah, I will not even like drink it, Like I 657 00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:25.639 don't want it into my mouth, like sometimes it's like a and then it's 658 00:48:25.679 --> 00:48:30.159 just like dripping kind you know, but like I'm not into that. Um. 659 00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:36.400 I I've we've we've done some other piss play, Like there's one I 660 00:48:36.400 --> 00:48:39.039 think her I think it's else a gene Uh. I like really talked a 661 00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:43.159 lot about like she liked it. When guys like piss inside her. So 662 00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:47.119 like, I've tried that with my ex. I was it was an interesting 663 00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:51.719 experience. I don't know if I would do it again, but it was 664 00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:58.679 an experience. UM have pissed on other people. That's fun. I like 665 00:48:58.840 --> 00:49:02.599 how powerful it feel? Okay, cool? Yeah see that, And that's 666 00:49:02.599 --> 00:49:07.800 the dynamic I like. I like the power dynamic where it's like the woman's 667 00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:12.159 pissing all over the guy and it's like, you know you're dirty, so 668 00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:19.960 here take my waste, you know? Great? Yeah? Um, Alison 669 00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:23.599 ray Uh, we're gonna wrap up with Alison ray here. Alison ray a 670 00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:29.320 l I s O n r E y on Instagram, A ray O Sunshine 671 00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:35.519 a r e y oh Sunshine on Twitter. Alison ray x x X only 672 00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:38.159 fans Alison ray XO. Is that a that's a paid one? Right? 673 00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:42.920 Yes? They always anytime we interview girls, they go, I have a 674 00:49:42.920 --> 00:49:45.159 free one and a paid one. Promote my free one. Fuck that these 675 00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:50.599 people get out there and pay promote the paper. Okay, give this girl 676 00:49:50.679 --> 00:49:55.119 goddamn money. Alison ray XO on Only Fans, TikTok Allison unhinged and for 677 00:49:55.199 --> 00:50:00.000 links to everything, go to Alison ray fans dot com. Alison Ray, 678 00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:01.840 thank you very much for joining us today. Yeah, of course, thank 679 00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:05.559 you so much for having me who I was talking to you guys you as 680 00:50:05.559 --> 00:50:07.960 well. It was awesome. If your worst friend, I'm Met I'm Shane, 681 00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:19.239 see you next week. 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