1 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:21,800 You're listening to your worst friend going deeper. You're listening to your worst friend 2 00:00:21,879 --> 00:00:26,839 going Deeper with Shane and Matt. I'm Matt, joined today by my co 3 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:31,120 host and friend Shane. Hello, Hello, thank you. We have a 4 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:35,520 very special guests with us today, Miss Alison Ray. Now I'm gonna spell 5 00:00:35,719 --> 00:00:39,159 People get a little annoyed because I spell out the plug every single time, 6 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,920 So I'm going to spell out her name once for you and then you plug 7 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,960 and play, or better yet, just go in the episode description and click 8 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,000 all of her links because you can do that too. So it's Alison Ray 9 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:53,359 A L I s O N one L and ray is r E y. 10 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,200 I want you to go and follow her on Instagram A ray O Sunshine a 11 00:00:57,679 --> 00:01:03,600 r e y O Sunshine, Twitter, Alison Ray x x X only fans 12 00:01:03,679 --> 00:01:08,680 Alison Ray XO, TikTok, Allison Unhinged, and you can check out all 13 00:01:08,719 --> 00:01:12,239 of her stuff at our like main page at Alison Ray Fans dot com. 14 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,920 Alison, thank you very much for joining us today. Hello, thank you 15 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,439 for having me. When I was a kid, there was a girl I 16 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,959 went to elementary school with named Alison, and in a way she kind of 17 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,439 looked like you, there are certain facial features and stuff. She was much 18 00:01:27,519 --> 00:01:33,400 less attractive than you. She always used to chew on her hair. She 19 00:01:33,519 --> 00:01:37,239 was that girl in class. Do you remember that kid in class that always 20 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:38,879 kind of like chew on their hair and it was sopping wet and grows. 21 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,719 Yeah, you weren't that kid, were you? No? No, that 22 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,879 was me. Yeah, that's gross. First question out of the way. 23 00:01:47,959 --> 00:01:51,799 Cool. Can you tell us how you jumped into the industry, how you 24 00:01:51,799 --> 00:01:56,079 got your start? Yeah? Who you started shooting with? Stuff like that? 25 00:01:56,519 --> 00:02:02,040 Sure, I was in the industry because I met a girl. My 26 00:02:02,079 --> 00:02:06,400 boyfriend and I at the time were on a swinger's website. We were trying 27 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,520 to find people closer to our age. Like you know, it was all 28 00:02:08,599 --> 00:02:14,080 very new to me, and you know, most couples that are exploring on 29 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,520 monogamy or in their thirties forties, and I'm just like this little eighteen year 30 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,479 old, I'm like, I want somebody close to my age. So the 31 00:02:20,479 --> 00:02:23,599 one couple that we found, we were getting to know them as you do, 32 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:30,199 and she was telling me, like I asked her, like what do 33 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:31,800 you do for a living? And she was like, I'll tell you, 34 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,879 but don't freak out. I was like, are you a drug dealer? 35 00:02:35,159 --> 00:02:38,159 Like what and she's like, well, I do porn. I was like, 36 00:02:38,599 --> 00:02:40,599 cool, tell me about it. And she was a student, Like 37 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:45,919 I was so much better than international arms dealer, right, Like you were 38 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,280 relieved when I heard that human trafficker. Yeah. I was like, oh, 39 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:53,159 that's that's it, okay, cool whatever, and told her to tell 40 00:02:53,199 --> 00:02:57,840 me about it and she did, and I was like, that sounds awesome 41 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,919 because she was a student. She goes up to LA for a week, 42 00:03:00,439 --> 00:03:06,199 shoots, comes home, study, uses her money for the next three weeks, 43 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:07,039 and does it once a month. And I was like, that sounds 44 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:13,599 like a really great way to make a living wall I'm focused on my studies. 45 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:15,439 So she helped me get an agent, went out to LA shot my 46 00:03:15,439 --> 00:03:22,199 first few scenes. My first scenes were with lethal hardcore ATKA girlfriends, Reality 47 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,439 Kings, Team Ski and real girls play like I just kind of you know 48 00:03:25,599 --> 00:03:31,520 rich like did all of the things the first week and born. So let 49 00:03:31,599 --> 00:03:37,000 me ask um, is that typical of girls in the inter Are you still 50 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,199 good with that person or no? Because I've heard that story a million times 51 00:03:39,439 --> 00:03:44,039 and those stories don't generally end well. I normally ask like, are you 52 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,639 still friends with that person? They're like, no, I burned their house 53 00:03:46,639 --> 00:03:47,520 down. I don't want to speak to them anymore. And you're like, 54 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:52,319 oh, fuck, all right, good moving on you still well. She 55 00:03:52,919 --> 00:03:57,039 and I actually never even met in person. We never got there. It 56 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,639 was just kind of like texting. And she left the industry probably six months 57 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,039 after that happened, and we didn't really keep in touch. So it's not 58 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:09,319 that we're not good, we're just like nothing actively friends. Yeah, sure, 59 00:04:09,439 --> 00:04:13,840 sure, okay, nothing in common after one and a bang. It 60 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,360 wasn't even yeah, yeah, pretty much. It was like, I think 61 00:04:17,399 --> 00:04:21,079 she broke up with the guy that she was with at the time, and 62 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:27,160 then there was you know, no like swapping to happen, and she wasn't 63 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,160 like I don't think she was super attracted to my boyfriend at the time. 64 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,639 It was just yeah, it just didn't work out. Sure, But you 65 00:04:32,759 --> 00:04:35,839 dove in and it seems like you grab mainstream stuff right off the bat, 66 00:04:35,959 --> 00:04:41,240 right Is that typical for a lot of girls that you've you've seen or I'll 67 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,160 be honest with you, we've done work with Team ski before. I'm very 68 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,720 appreciative of all the big name sites and everything like that, especially the exposure 69 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:50,800 they give. I like the grimy, dirtier sites, the sites that are 70 00:04:50,879 --> 00:04:55,480 like not disgusting. I'm not talking about like dogs and such, but the 71 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,959 sites that are a little more like, Oh, Metallica is playing in the 72 00:04:58,959 --> 00:05:02,319 background. That doesn't seemed like a licensed song, but hey it's there anyway. 73 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:08,360 Are yeah a little bit? Um? Is it just that you were 74 00:05:08,399 --> 00:05:11,480 so beautiful you were like, oh, all the major studios will just grab 75 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,879 me right off the bat, It's okay, and then they took you on? 76 00:05:14,079 --> 00:05:16,720 Or were you a good sorry, my questions go on forever. Were 77 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,879 you like good work ethic, like you really pushed hard to grab like the 78 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:24,600 biggest names. Was that always your intention or were you just like what pays 79 00:05:24,639 --> 00:05:30,639 the most got it? Um? Well, I honestly I didn't. It 80 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,120 was just kind of the side of the industry that I fell into because she 81 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:39,279 was shooting for you know, a lot, Like she had an agent OC 82 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:43,639 Modeling and they're just like one of the mainstream agents, and so when I 83 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,800 met her, like she just had contacts in the mainstream industry, and then 84 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,519 when I found an agent, like the agents in charge of getting me good 85 00:05:50,519 --> 00:05:55,800 work and a lot of agents, especially if they're licensed in Los Angeles, 86 00:05:56,519 --> 00:06:00,959 they're gonna only book you with, you know, really repeatable websites. So 87 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:04,600 it was never really my goal too. It was funny because when I got 88 00:06:04,639 --> 00:06:06,759 in the industry, I was very like I wanted to dip my toe in, 89 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,800 like I was a little bit hesitant. I was like, I don't 90 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,839 know if I really want anybody to see this, Like I want to like 91 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,439 try it out first. So I even't ask my agent to you know, 92 00:06:15,439 --> 00:06:19,639 book me with like some of the smaller sites to begin with, because I 93 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:24,079 just wanted to be able to see what it was like before, you know, 94 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:28,360 potentially ruining my entire life, as they tell you we do. And 95 00:06:30,439 --> 00:06:36,000 it was yeah, I actually never intended on making a career out of it. 96 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:40,319 But here I am eight and a half years later, and so I 97 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:44,279 read that I read an interview with you where you were eighteen at the time 98 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,639 you'd shot eight scenes or such, I think, and your stated goal in 99 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,160 the thing was I want to get out of this by the time I'm out 100 00:06:50,199 --> 00:06:54,720 of college. Now are you doing like a Tommy Boy type of college thing? 101 00:06:54,759 --> 00:06:58,639 Are you still there nine years later or are we no? Are you 102 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:02,079 getting your doctorate next week, Like, how's this working out? I graduated 103 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,399 a criple major in twenty sixteen. What kind of degrees do you have? 104 00:07:08,519 --> 00:07:13,160 Psychology, sociology, and justice? How did those things help you in this 105 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:17,000 industry? I'm not saying don't. I'm actually asking that was not farcastic yet, 106 00:07:17,079 --> 00:07:25,279 no, no m in justice. I mean it's definitely like, um, 107 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,240 not educated. I don't know. It's contributed to my social activism. 108 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,600 So I volunteer for the Center for Positive Sexuality and I've been very involved when 109 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:38,680 the FC or APAC is doing, you know, if they're like doing any 110 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,319 kind of like lobbying, like back when Prop sixty was a thing. I 111 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:45,040 don't know, like twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen. I try to be very 112 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,600 active in those in those circles. And I guess sociology kind of plays in 113 00:07:47,639 --> 00:07:54,360 that too, So like justice and sociology, I've definitely opened my mind from 114 00:07:54,959 --> 00:08:00,920 how I was raised to being more open to you know, a diverse crowd 115 00:08:00,959 --> 00:08:03,199 of people in this industry, and not only just like the performers and the 116 00:08:03,199 --> 00:08:07,959 directors and crew members, but even outside, you know, even like on 117 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:13,480 the fan side. I feel like I've gotten a lot of benefit from what 118 00:08:13,519 --> 00:08:20,560 I've learned about people and groups of people and how you know, groups interact 119 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,759 with each other in othering. And it's just given me kind of a well 120 00:08:24,839 --> 00:08:31,319 rounded perspective on the job here. I don't feel like I've ever been naive 121 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,919 about what it would be. Well, okay, no, at the beginning, 122 00:08:33,919 --> 00:08:35,600 it was definitely naive, but I hadn't graduated yet, I hadn't learned 123 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,240 all of the things I had learned. Yeah, yeah, you weren't certified 124 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:43,399 yet. Sure, exactly does that? Does that help you at all give 125 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:48,320 advice to other performers or new girls coming into the industry or do you? 126 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:52,320 I guess rely more on your industry experience for that type of thing. Definitely 127 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:56,240 rely more on industry experience for that type of thing. I think it's more 128 00:08:56,279 --> 00:09:03,440 helpful. In terms of marketing, there's been anything totally can you? Marketing 129 00:09:03,519 --> 00:09:09,440 is mostly psychology? Sure? Sure? Can you? Yeah? Your video 130 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:13,799 froze up below? Can you hear me? Maybe? I can hear you. 131 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,879 I can hear you, Shane, I can hear you both cut out? 132 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:22,320 Yes, there you are something? Now there you are? Hi, 133 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:28,120 I'm moving my hands. Yeah, um, can you? Because we also 134 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,320 we do a series called Yours from Brand New Faces where we talk to new 135 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,279 girls getting into the industry, um try and give them like a step up, 136 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,759 or also gather some of the information from the big names we've interviewed and 137 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:46,120 kind of teach them. Not like we're educators anybody. Yeah, that's true, 138 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:50,960 you're not. Uh, you know. We try and tell them some 139 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,639 of the ways that we've seen people try and scam them or get over on 140 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,799 them. And I got to be honest, We've done some interviews where I 141 00:09:56,879 --> 00:09:58,639 look at the girl and there's no offense to the girl themselves, and I'm 142 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,360 not going to name any of them for that reason, and I go, 143 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,159 I don't think they have the mentality for this. And I won't tell them 144 00:10:05,159 --> 00:10:11,120 that because I'm not going to pop a bubble, but maybe someone should and 145 00:10:11,519 --> 00:10:15,639 let them know. Does your sociology or psychology, any of those backgrounds. 146 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,360 Can you look at a new girl coming into the industry and go, like, 147 00:10:18,759 --> 00:10:24,200 six months, that's what she's got? Yeah? Does having three degrees 148 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:30,240 make you a fortune teller? It does not. It does not in fact 149 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:35,039 making me a fortune teller. But I think it's hard today too, because 150 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:39,000 you know, if you had asked me this question four years ago. I 151 00:10:39,039 --> 00:10:41,759 think I might have said, yeah, I can tell who's going to be 152 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:46,679 in and out. But now with only fans, like people can stand for 153 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,720 a really long time, like not working for it, Like I think you 154 00:10:48,799 --> 00:10:54,720 do have to have a certain mental fortitude and work ethic in order to be 155 00:10:54,799 --> 00:11:01,360 successful in the mainstream, you know, industry shooting for studio. But now 156 00:11:01,399 --> 00:11:05,240 that it's you know, gotten really diluted, with a lot of only fans 157 00:11:05,279 --> 00:11:07,919 creators, I just think the landscape is so different. I can't tell who's 158 00:11:07,919 --> 00:11:13,120 going to succeed in who's not, because you know, somebody might do really 159 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,519 really well at home alone, while somebody else does really really great at the 160 00:11:16,519 --> 00:11:20,639 studios. Let me ask you a question, because I've been kicking this one 161 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,600 around for a while. Who can make more money nowadays? A girl that 162 00:11:24,759 --> 00:11:31,200 looks ten out of ten or a girl that is a six out of ten 163 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:35,159 but knows the social media algorithms like it's the back of her hand. I 164 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,519 think it's I think it's the second one. I think it's all about social 165 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:46,559 media algorithms, and it depends you know, it depends on not even to 166 00:11:46,639 --> 00:11:50,639 social media algorithms, but how much bandwidth? Does she have to run her 167 00:11:50,639 --> 00:11:56,480 only fans or does she have a good enough team behind her that is making 168 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,679 her that money? Because it's you know, it's not even neces sarily about 169 00:12:00,799 --> 00:12:03,879 who you know, you ask who's going to make more money? A ten 170 00:12:03,919 --> 00:12:07,200 out of ten or six out of ten? I'm like, well, six 171 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:11,320 out of ten. Who knows social media algorithms, probably understands marketing. She's 172 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,720 going to make a good amount of money. However, what are the fans 173 00:12:13,799 --> 00:12:18,679 willing to pay her compared to a ten out of ten? And how many 174 00:12:18,759 --> 00:12:22,519 more people are actually seeing? You know, Like it's so complicated. I 175 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:26,559 think it really depends on the girl, but yeah, you more likely. 176 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:31,879 Second, you mentioned something else there too, and who's supporting her? And 177 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,480 I get you meant the fans, but it's like it made me think of 178 00:12:35,519 --> 00:12:39,960 like who's supporting the performer? As in, like, you know, you 179 00:12:41,039 --> 00:12:43,720 have your agent. I don't know if you have a manager separately or whatever, 180 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,120 And I don't know how you shoot any content that you that you do 181 00:12:48,159 --> 00:12:54,360 on your own. But if you don't know how to use a camera, 182 00:12:54,399 --> 00:12:58,240 if you don't know how to edit or whatever, you're going to be lost, 183 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,679 you know, so you've got to have either a background, or you've 184 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,720 got to be a really quick learner, or you've got to have people to 185 00:13:05,799 --> 00:13:11,320 help you build your brand. So what how did you I know that you 186 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:16,039 um, you shot with what Reality Kings team skeet you said, m quite 187 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:20,879 a few right at the beginning? Was it just a really good agent and 188 00:13:20,879 --> 00:13:26,159 and and how do you keep the momentum going now? Is it just you 189 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:31,720 jack of all trades or I guess jail of all trades or do you have 190 00:13:31,759 --> 00:13:33,919 like a bunch of folks you know, helping you out doing your makeup and 191 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:41,799 editing your videos and stuff. Sure? Um, two part question. So 192 00:13:41,279 --> 00:13:43,679 at the beginning, yeah, it was just because I had a good agent 193 00:13:46,759 --> 00:13:50,840 who had you know that they have all the contacts for the directors and all 194 00:13:50,879 --> 00:13:54,759 that, and especially sites like Teams to Eat, Reality Kings Love Love like 195 00:13:54,879 --> 00:13:58,039 you know, brand new girls because it's such an appeal for them. So 196 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:05,559 you know, it wasn't too hard to get take my wife guys, Yeah, 197 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:09,279 not you, not you, nor website. Got it, got it? 198 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:16,360 Got it? Um? And then now I don't have like a bunch 199 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:22,159 of people, but I do have a small staff to help me with my 200 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:26,279 social media posts to help me manage my content. So there's some editing being 201 00:14:26,279 --> 00:14:31,960 done, uploading and tagging posts or like like tagging pornhub videos. Right, 202 00:14:33,039 --> 00:14:37,120 So all of the websites where you upload your clips, they want you to 203 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,480 like write a description. You gotta tag your coworkers, you gotta you do. 204 00:14:39,679 --> 00:14:43,240 There's so many buttons you have to click in order to just upload a 205 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,720 video if you wanted to get exactly it's time consuming and I just don't have 206 00:14:46,799 --> 00:14:52,240 that kind of time. So I have somebody helping me with that. Um 207 00:14:52,279 --> 00:14:58,000 and then I also have a live in assistant, if you will, just 208 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,840 kind of helping with like day to day task so I can kind of focus 209 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:07,000 on creating content and stuff. The key is, and we've said this in 210 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:11,080 other interviews before Shane a while ago, you need a simple army, is 211 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:15,519 what I think you girls need. You girls really need someone like I'll see 212 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,240 one of our first big interviews of Sarah Ja, we interview, Wow, 213 00:15:18,679 --> 00:15:22,480 she's great, but you'll see, I mean, ten times a day some 214 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:26,240 fan is letting her know, hey, there's a fake account of you out 215 00:15:26,279 --> 00:15:28,720 here, or retweeting her over here, or to push in this or whatever. 216 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:35,240 And I think the most successful girls are the girls that really like hit 217 00:15:35,279 --> 00:15:39,240 a connection with fans where they're able to go like, hey, I need 218 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,919 you just as much as you like watching my stuff. So maybe not I 219 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,720 need you, like don't fucking come in my backyard, but you know, 220 00:15:46,879 --> 00:15:50,320 tag me in this, push this, promote this, do whatever. And 221 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:58,240 I don't know that enough of you performers do that, like use those resources 222 00:15:58,279 --> 00:16:00,480 as well as you can. I'm not saying you necessarily, yeah, just 223 00:16:00,639 --> 00:16:04,320 in general. I mean, you guys, some of you have hundreds of 224 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:08,519 thousands of people who are like, hey, these guys, you know what 225 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:12,120 you're back and call push it. I think I think part of the problem 226 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:18,120 with that is, well it's it's twofold. One is then you're you're crossing 227 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:25,639 a boundary from fan and support or to somebody who then feels entitled to your 228 00:16:25,679 --> 00:16:30,399 time, your attention. A lot of times they will abuse you, know 229 00:16:30,519 --> 00:16:36,759 whatever contact Like if I've DM somebody one time because they offer something like, 230 00:16:37,039 --> 00:16:40,440 they will then d because unless I block them, and I'm like, I'm 231 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,919 not trying to block anybody. Unless I block them, it's highly likely that 232 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:47,200 they're going to be dming me all the time. And then getting upset with 233 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:51,039 me when I don't respond. So, yes, having a symbarmy great, 234 00:16:51,679 --> 00:16:55,480 but it gets it's a slippery slope, you know, like because they don't 235 00:16:55,519 --> 00:16:59,080 realize that even though yes, we want help, we're willing to like show 236 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,480 our appreciation and like even give you a few free bees for it, Like 237 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:07,079 it does not grant you unlimited access to us. But that's what they think 238 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:11,599 they're getting when you accept their help. You're not on the staff, is 239 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:15,119 what. Yeah, you would need another staff member to deal with them. 240 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:18,359 Yeah exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, well I just mean the guys 241 00:17:18,799 --> 00:17:22,000 doing this or the people doing this you're not on the staff. Don't think 242 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:26,279 you're being on the staff. I wonder if dominatrixes can get away with that 243 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:27,160 a little bit of easy. Oh I think they can. I think they 244 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:33,279 absolutely can. Yeah yeah, yeah, I have really been like I don't 245 00:17:33,279 --> 00:17:37,359 want to like get more into dom work just so I can have like a 246 00:17:37,519 --> 00:17:41,240 stack and able to yah. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna. Yeah. 247 00:17:42,279 --> 00:17:47,559 So you mentioned some of your activism right now, what is apack? Who's 248 00:17:47,799 --> 00:17:51,480 Who's the president of a pack? I feel like it's somebody we've talked to 249 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:56,720 Biden. No, I don't think. I don't know at this moment. 250 00:17:56,759 --> 00:18:00,359 I know they just I feel like they just turned over. It spent of 251 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:04,480 minutes since I've done any things for a pack, Okay, I've been Sure. 252 00:18:04,559 --> 00:18:07,920 Tell me about your activism, though, tell me about what you're interested 253 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,319 in, what you're pushing, what you really want to get through with that 254 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:17,359 kind of activism. Sure, I'm really passionate about the humanization of sex workers, 255 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:22,799 so I do that just with my brand in general, but also specifically 256 00:18:22,839 --> 00:18:29,119 with the Center for Positive Sexuality. So they it's the Center for Positive Sexuality 257 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:37,759 Los Angeles, and we do all sorts of things. There's a research guess 258 00:18:37,759 --> 00:18:45,640 a division of our organization, and I am part of the education division, 259 00:18:45,799 --> 00:18:53,640 so I volunteer. And what we do is various colleges, mostly around California 260 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:59,640 that we have had, like a few other colleges hire us at the center. 261 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:04,079 What they'll do is they will book a panel when we have I want 262 00:19:04,079 --> 00:19:08,720 to say, like seven different categories of panels, and let's say it's a 263 00:19:08,759 --> 00:19:12,799 sex work panel, and there's a few different panels I like am part of 264 00:19:12,799 --> 00:19:15,599 because I identify that way. But for sex worker panel, you know, 265 00:19:15,599 --> 00:19:19,359 they'll they'll ask us who's available, and then we'll go and we'll talk to 266 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,839 a class, we'll give our presentation on like what sex work is. And 267 00:19:23,079 --> 00:19:32,599 the primary goal of the center is to humanize the people involved in these various 268 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:37,960 aspects because it's so often sensationalized, like in the media and just you know, 269 00:19:37,039 --> 00:19:41,920 in society in general, that we're just trying to like put faces to 270 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:45,440 these ideas so people can see like, yeah, we are normal people that 271 00:19:45,519 --> 00:19:49,440 just you know, like something a little bit different, and yeah, so 272 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:56,920 that's you know, my focus right now is because they're all like college classes 273 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,920 that are like human sexuality, so they are people that are already kind of 274 00:20:00,039 --> 00:20:03,559 open minded to that, and then getting to talk to them directly so we 275 00:20:03,599 --> 00:20:07,519 have our presentations and they can ask questions, which is like the most valuable 276 00:20:07,519 --> 00:20:08,640 part of it because then they can really see us, like you know, 277 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:12,640 it's not just giving like a robotic, you know, lecture, it's they 278 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:17,720 get to kind of connect with us as humans. And I think that more 279 00:20:17,759 --> 00:20:22,119 than anything like that, like you were talking about the individual connection that we 280 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:26,599 can utilize, I think beyond just fans, that that's how we break through 281 00:20:27,319 --> 00:20:32,799 the stigma of society is actually connecting with more humans as much as possible. 282 00:20:33,079 --> 00:20:36,039 Well, she has it in her bio. I don't know. You know 283 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:40,160 it's Anna Fox right now. Has a violence there you go. Yeah, 284 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:44,759 we've interview before. Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's great to me and 285 00:20:44,799 --> 00:20:48,079 she uh, she pushes it. Now let me play devil's advocate. Let's 286 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:52,640 let's have a little discussion here about this, right, and you'll be able 287 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,400 to assess this with your psychology degree, because I just have a film degree, 288 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:00,680 which means I get to be a podcast that's about it, um and 289 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,240 I can edit this real nice afterwards. Don't worry about it. Um. 290 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:08,559 So part of it is the the when we talk about the humanization of sex 291 00:21:08,599 --> 00:21:11,480 workers and stuff like that, are we talking about legally? Are we talking 292 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,559 about in the eyes of people? Are we talking what do we want to 293 00:21:15,599 --> 00:21:21,559 do? Um? Hoping in all aspects, but the main concern just just 294 00:21:21,759 --> 00:21:23,960 legally, we're just still going to look at them like pieces of fucking garbage. 295 00:21:25,599 --> 00:21:27,680 What are you talking? Okay, So I'm saying, I'm saying, 296 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:33,200 like, why go ahead, I'm I'm making I'm making like a cynical point 297 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,359 about no, you said it was like you said it with like no tone 298 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,319 though, so it almost sounded like you were just like, oh, yeah, 299 00:21:40,319 --> 00:21:41,720 well that was yeah, that was the point is so it sounded harsh 300 00:21:41,759 --> 00:21:47,240 and an abrasive. But anyway, so you know, like the the idea 301 00:21:47,319 --> 00:21:51,559 is like why why wouldn't they be humanized in every conceivable way? You know, 302 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:56,279 like if she tells me they're not trying to get them humanized in every 303 00:21:56,279 --> 00:21:59,000 way, then we're going to have a problem. I agree, it was 304 00:21:59,039 --> 00:22:03,559 a stupid question. My point was more that I'm a big sports fan and 305 00:22:03,799 --> 00:22:08,200 I watch players get hounded for the things they do and and stuff like that, 306 00:22:08,559 --> 00:22:12,799 and I wonder if there's a part of the psychology where viewers of porn 307 00:22:14,039 --> 00:22:18,720 dehumanize sexual person stuff like that. Absolutely, but but is there an aspect 308 00:22:18,759 --> 00:22:22,000 of it that not that you agree with, not that you think is good 309 00:22:22,039 --> 00:22:26,519 by any stretch, but you kind of can you understand why they do that? 310 00:22:26,599 --> 00:22:30,880 To another one hundred one hundred percent? No, I completely understand it. 311 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:37,519 Um. I think the problem actually, like, I think the reason 312 00:22:37,559 --> 00:22:42,559 people do it is because of the shame that we have been taught to have 313 00:22:42,599 --> 00:22:48,279 around our sexuality in our society, because it's like a largely like even though 314 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:53,680 like we're a little bit. You know, we're moving past, Like Yeah, 315 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,839 even though we're moving past like Christian America, like, it's still very 316 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:02,039 like there's still a lot of soul norms that are still very much based in 317 00:23:02,319 --> 00:23:10,319 Christian values. And I think in order for people to enjoy their sexuality and 318 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:15,039 masturbate to porn, there needs to be a certain level of objectification of the 319 00:23:15,079 --> 00:23:22,599 person, because if they were to accept that it was like a real person, 320 00:23:22,759 --> 00:23:27,720 it would make them feel bad about what they're doing and watching, because 321 00:23:27,759 --> 00:23:33,480 they would see themselves as a bad person for watching this other person in such 322 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,599 an intimate way. But because we can't like openly express our desires and our 323 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:45,319 just spexual interests, we have to separate ourselves from that experience, or most 324 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:51,599 people do, in order to actually enjoy it. So is the path to 325 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:59,480 humanizing sex performers and sex workers is the first step? Or is the last 326 00:23:59,519 --> 00:24:06,480 step? Or any step? Is Is that on the viewers part to recognize 327 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:12,480 and deal with that shame that they are projecting onto the performer. I think 328 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,480 it's very much a chicken and egg kind of question. I don't know if 329 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,759 it's the first step or the last step, but it's it's in there. 330 00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:25,480 I think it's it's a both and we. I think in humanizing performers, 331 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:32,759 like, for instance, on my TikTok, I my original TikTok anyway Virol 332 00:24:32,759 --> 00:24:34,960 and TikTok, and I had a lot of people telling me like, thank 333 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:41,599 you so much for showing you and you know, because it largely became like 334 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,279 a very personal TikTok page. It wasn't just there to promote my porn. 335 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,640 It was just like, Hi, this is me, and people are like, 336 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,359 oh wow, like I you know, I'd never really seen you know, 337 00:24:52,759 --> 00:24:56,160 the person behind the porn performer, and this was like really interesting. 338 00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:00,039 And then when I would answer their questions about the industry, a lot of 339 00:25:00,039 --> 00:25:03,279 them are like, wow, like this makes me feel a lot better about 340 00:25:03,279 --> 00:25:06,960 watching porn like this, you know, it's nice to see this side, 341 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:11,039 to know that what I'm consuming, you know, is consensual. So I 342 00:25:11,079 --> 00:25:17,920 think in humanizing performers on TikTok, like people actually got more comfortable with their 343 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,279 sexuality and if they're working through their shame, I think it's a lot easier 344 00:25:22,319 --> 00:25:26,960 to humanize performers. So like, yeah, I think it's depend on a 345 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:32,519 person. It's like, what is the thing a feedback. Yeah, yeah, 346 00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:36,079 totally, that's awesome. So then do you have to walk just a 347 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:41,480 razor's edge though, in terms of humanizing yourself while also keeping certain people at 348 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:45,119 bay, I mean certain fans at bay. Like again, we talked about 349 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,319 that barrier that you don't want to cross, right, you don't want to 350 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,720 you don't want you know, some guy on Twitter to go a house and 351 00:25:52,839 --> 00:25:56,039 ray it's my girlfriend and you go, okay, well that's fucking crazy. 352 00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:02,079 She's not. But okay, how do you humanize yourself to that? While 353 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:07,119 also saying I am a celebrity though, so you know, don't come in 354 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,319 my backyard again, don't swift me. You're not allowed in my neighborhood. 355 00:26:11,319 --> 00:26:15,680 Thank you. Right, I've been fortunate enough that I haven't had that experience 356 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:22,319 with my fans. And that is the other thing is I don't really posture 357 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,519 myself as a celebrity, Like that's the whole thing is like I am a 358 00:26:25,599 --> 00:26:29,160 human being and this is my job, and well I do enjoy my job, 359 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,200 Like I don't think I'm you know, more special than anybody else, 360 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,599 just because this is what I do for a living. And I think because 361 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,920 of that, and then I'm open about that. I think it actually like 362 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:47,720 desensationalizes me so that people aren't trying to cross those boundaries. But I think 363 00:26:47,759 --> 00:26:53,640 there is something really appealing about having something that we can't have, And so 364 00:26:53,839 --> 00:27:00,400 maybe I hurt my career in certain ways because I'm probably like ostracizing myself from 365 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,480 certain fans who like love the idea of like I can't even have her, 366 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,960 yeah, the fantasy, and like I can't have her, so like I'll 367 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,920 you know, I'll pay whatever to like get like a piece of her. 368 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,759 But that's just never been like I've never been comfortable with that, Like it 369 00:27:15,799 --> 00:27:22,279 doesn't like I enjoy making people feel good because like that's who I am, 370 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,240 and like, yes, of course, like a little bit of notoriety, 371 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:33,240 like the attention wonderful. But I'm not comfortable having such a big divide between 372 00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:38,319 me and my fans because I do think sex and just pleasure are such intimate 373 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,920 experiences that I, like, I actually do enjoy having those with people, 374 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:48,680 and I would much rather have a small set of devoted fans who really value 375 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,519 the depth of myself that I give to them than a bunch of fans who 376 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:59,240 only know me and appreciate me superficially. Sure. Sure. Can I ask 377 00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:00,359 you, Shane, We've done this in the past, we haven't done this 378 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:06,079 recently, but could you rank from me in order why you're in porn? 379 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,400 Oh? No, not that other one chain. Maybe we'll get to that 380 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,400 too. Can you rank for me in order why you're importn money, the 381 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:22,079 sex, the fame. Oh. I feel like I need to answer from 382 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,599 when I got in too now, because like it is evolved. A lot 383 00:28:26,599 --> 00:28:30,440 of people say that, yeah, really really okay, Um, I think 384 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:37,000 when I first got into porn, it was the money. Hell yeah, 385 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,440 and then the sex and then the fame. Okay, Now I got to 386 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:56,599 really think about this. I think now, Oh, I think it's now 387 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,599 the money, the fame, the sex. Okay, Okay, see that 388 00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:03,519 in a way it seems natural. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not calling you 389 00:29:03,559 --> 00:29:07,240 out. I'm not saying whatever. Doesn't that in a little bit of a 390 00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:11,440 way contradict what you said a second ago in terms of the same being second 391 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,200 there, Like the money is always this is your job. You want this 392 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,440 to be your job, you know, would you take an office job for 393 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,759 the same amount of money you make? Wow? No, but that's not 394 00:29:21,799 --> 00:29:26,680 because of the sex or the fame. Oh yeah, the social No, 395 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,599 no, it's I don't believe. I mean, so you can spread your 396 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,200 message, go ahead. Sorry. I also that's okay, that's okay. 397 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:38,039 Um, it's literally like I wouldn't take an office job if it was for 398 00:29:38,079 --> 00:29:42,640 the same amount of money because I never want to work for anybody else again 399 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,640 in my life. Oh yeah, fair enough. Yeah, yeah, I 400 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:51,880 like. I like the power and autonomy that I have over my schedule. 401 00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:55,559 Um, yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't want to have to 402 00:29:55,599 --> 00:29:57,720 listen to anybody else ever. Okay, fair enough. I feel like it 403 00:29:59,079 --> 00:30:02,200 makes sense that aggression. I feel like, no matter why you get in 404 00:30:02,279 --> 00:30:06,720 it, I feel like eventually, if you're still in the industry money, 405 00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:08,680 it makes sense for that to be your number one because like, now, 406 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,920 this is your career, right, Like, so why does anybody you know? 407 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:19,079 Yeah, I think we're those last two place really tells you more about 408 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,400 somebody who stayed in a while. And the fame I was. I was 409 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,480 thinking the same thing as you, Matt, Like you know, involved with 410 00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:33,720 APAC trying to spread social justice humanized sex workers. You kind of need a 411 00:30:33,799 --> 00:30:37,799 little bit of fame if you're going to do any of that. Meaningfully you 412 00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:41,720 know, sure, I mean, we can't see you at a conference somewhere. 413 00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:45,599 If they're like, oh, here's Alison Ray she is forty two followers 414 00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:48,400 on Twitter, it's like, oh, all right, well, yeah what 415 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,359 she says might make sense. But at the same time, like you know 416 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,119 who is yeah right rus so that the fame comes along with it. But 417 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,960 then again, there are other performers who the fame is, you know, 418 00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:03,519 one of the most important things, getting your name across everything and spread in 419 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,160 because then with that the money comes along as well. So I totally get 420 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,119 that there's no real wrong answer to any of that. Yeah, yeah, 421 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,119 no, it's just kind of a philosophy. And then I think also, 422 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,400 like really the only reason, like I was literally aoud to be like you 423 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,039 know what, no, actually, it's the thing because like I really had 424 00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:22,759 to think for again whether it was sex or the fame. And the reason 425 00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:29,599 that sex and fame switch places are because when I got in I was eighteen, 426 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,960 I still didn't know what I liked and there were just all these hot 427 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,759 people that I wanted to have sex with that like I didn't have to like 428 00:31:34,839 --> 00:31:37,960 be awkward and like hit on people for I didn't need to use tender like 429 00:31:38,039 --> 00:31:44,000 they were just supplied to me. Sure. Um. Now, having been 430 00:31:44,039 --> 00:31:49,839 in the industry for eight years, I know that most of the mainstream sex 431 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:55,880 that has had is not that pleasurable. It looks great on camera and it's 432 00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:00,559 fun to watch, but it's not. It's not pleasurable like X at home. 433 00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:05,240 So like it's now sex is down on my list. Like yes, 434 00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:07,680 I still love having sex with the very hot people, and I do have 435 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,480 a lot of fun doing it, but it's not nearly as pleasurable as I 436 00:32:10,519 --> 00:32:14,920 expected it to be when I got in the industry. Makes sense? Makes 437 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,359 sense? Let me let me run one of the old classic question, Shane, 438 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:22,160 and then you can bounce back. What are okay? Sarah? Jay 439 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,720 Again, one of the first people we interviewed has been offered X amount of 440 00:32:25,759 --> 00:32:30,400 thousands, thousands of dollars more than I could even say no too, to 441 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,440 do an anal scene. She never has okay, it's her not her preference. 442 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,400 She doesn't want to do it, you know, five digits across the 443 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:42,640 board she's been offered, not gonna do it. What is something you would 444 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,319 not take an amount of money? Oh? I guess what did we used 445 00:32:45,319 --> 00:32:49,599 to call it? Shane Sack. Okay, oh yeah. When we first 446 00:32:49,599 --> 00:32:52,200 started doing interviews, we would ask this question and inevitably the girls would say 447 00:32:52,319 --> 00:32:59,160 one of Sack, it was sit animals or kids, and we would point 448 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,880 out, hey, we knew that was out. We're not you know, 449 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,119 like one of the first interviews, that girl goes, well like, I 450 00:33:06,119 --> 00:33:08,039 wouldn't fuck a dog, and I was like, well, we didn't think 451 00:33:08,039 --> 00:33:12,279 you would, and I wouldn't say it on a platform like this, So 452 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,079 Sack is out. We understand that, we're well aware of that. What 453 00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:19,400 is something that, regardless of the amount of money, you're like, I'm 454 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,039 not going to shoot that kind of scene. Is there anything there may not 455 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:27,319 be? And then I have an inverse question to that after yeah, um 456 00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:45,640 ooh, I maybe like like, triple vadge. I don't even want to 457 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:50,920 try that, Okay, yeah, okay. At some point, and we 458 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,839 talked about this with another girl as well. I sorry, sorry to always 459 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:58,279 harken back to other interviews, but it's a triple vadge. The guy in 460 00:33:58,319 --> 00:34:02,319 the middle was having sex with two guys, right, they're in a triangle. 461 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,960 They're all having sex. No, yeah, They're like, She's like, 462 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,199 okay, they're like holding her up and they're just like three dudes. 463 00:34:12,599 --> 00:34:15,639 Okay, so I'm thinking of it like this, right, and well what 464 00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:20,840 you're saying, so it's not one, two three you're saying, it's it's 465 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,880 going in like that because if it was three stacked one, you would have 466 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:31,480 an enormously tall vagina. Second, the guy in the middle is getting his 467 00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:37,719 friction by rubbing on two other dudes. Yeah, yeah, but no, 468 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:43,440 this is not that that. I don't think that's possible. I've been five 469 00:34:43,559 --> 00:34:46,679 years. I think I've ever seen Yeah, I think that's more for double. 470 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:53,880 I feel like maybe holding triple of bags, but like triple that's real. 471 00:34:54,440 --> 00:35:00,039 Yeah, okay, all right, okay, all right, so that's 472 00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:04,320 out. You just worry that's gonna that's gonna send you home with an air 473 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,559 ice pack for a week. Right, I could even do it. No 474 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,480 double, I've ever done double. I have in my personal life. Not 475 00:35:12,519 --> 00:35:16,480 for video, but sure you saving that for video or is that something now? 476 00:35:17,039 --> 00:35:22,079 Was necessarily I would? It was just like, I mean it's hard 477 00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:28,719 to shoot, and it was like it's yeah, like I would, but 478 00:35:29,679 --> 00:35:32,719 it's not like on my priorities list. And also like you know, it's 479 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:37,159 for such a short amount of time. Sure, And I couldn't do it 480 00:35:37,199 --> 00:35:39,440 for a studio because like I couldn't do it sober like, because I can't 481 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,719 relax enough to like let it happen. So like, you can't shoot that 482 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,960 for a studio. Okay, okay, all right, fair enough. Now 483 00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:51,800 the inverse of that question is you have your rate, say it's whatever number, 484 00:35:52,159 --> 00:35:54,800 and either this type of scene comes along, this type of studio comes 485 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:59,239 along, whatever it is something you just go wow, I am a fan 486 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,840 of that, and they offer you twenty percent less than your normal rate. 487 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:06,519 That's what the normal pay is. Is there any type of scene or any 488 00:36:06,519 --> 00:36:08,559 type of studio or any person you would want to work with that you would 489 00:36:08,559 --> 00:36:14,800 take a discount from your normal rate to work with? Oh oh, that's 490 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:21,440 such a complicated question because the first thing that came to mind was anything for 491 00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:24,519 Vixen Media Group, because I think their stuff is so beautiful. It's just 492 00:36:24,639 --> 00:36:29,280 you know, it's just it looks like high fashion. It's very cool, 493 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:34,920 luxury corn. However, because I know how much money they make, I 494 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,079 would be offended if they wanted a discount from my rate because my rates to 495 00:36:39,159 --> 00:36:43,400 have, like I've always kept them kind of like the thing like I've never 496 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,280 you know, been like, well, I've been in for X amount of 497 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:50,960 years. I deserve more. I'm like, I do genuinely like my job, 498 00:36:51,039 --> 00:36:53,360 and I also know, like just you know, supply demand your worth. 499 00:36:54,159 --> 00:36:58,039 I know my worth, and also I know that I'm you know, 500 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,079 not a Sarah Jay and I'm not gonna get you know, like huge rates. 501 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,280 So if they wanted to discount off of my rate, which is like 502 00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:14,079 a very very normal, reasonable rate, I would be offended. Sum is 503 00:37:14,119 --> 00:37:15,760 there? It was, Yeah, how about a type? Do you have 504 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:20,000 a type of scene that you would like a genre or something where you're like, 505 00:37:20,039 --> 00:37:23,599 wow, I've never really explored that before. And again again we're not 506 00:37:23,679 --> 00:37:30,000 talking Walmart rates. I'm saying we're taking you down. I think it would 507 00:37:30,039 --> 00:37:37,400 be more likely that I would do it because of a person I get to 508 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:42,760 work with and the person well, so it would be the person I get 509 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,960 to work with, or if it was for let's say a friend's website, 510 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,880 I think, is you who? I would you do that for? Um? 511 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,360 Because I think about like I was thinking, I don't know, maybe 512 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,440 a scene for king dot Com? I like, no, fuck that, 513 00:37:57,559 --> 00:38:01,880 Like I want my full rate yeah, and yeah, I think it would 514 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,320 be like if it was somebody I really really wanted to work with. But 515 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,000 thinking about it, like I can't think of a single person that I haven't 516 00:38:09,039 --> 00:38:13,719 worked with that I want to work with that badly. Like, and it's 517 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,199 not even that it's a lot of money. It's just like nobody comes to 518 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:22,280 mind, have you worked with Manuel Ferrara? I have not, Okay, 519 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,519 so no, he okay, I want it's life changing. Yeah that's all 520 00:38:25,559 --> 00:38:29,599 I hear. And there's that great grilly girl. Oh yeah, there's some 521 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,760 great clip of the girl. After they cut, she like starts crying. 522 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:36,920 She's like that shaking, credible thank you, blah blah blah. The best 523 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,840 best marketing he's ever had, by the way, I mean, just insane 524 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:44,199 marketing to see some girl like break into two. Most of the time after 525 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,760 I'm done, my chick cries too, but it's just because you're so disappointed, 526 00:38:47,159 --> 00:38:52,480 like hurt, but just hurt by the fat crying staring at your sweating 527 00:38:52,639 --> 00:38:57,000 mass. Yeah yeah, yeah, dude, Manuel Ferreira is like the one 528 00:38:57,519 --> 00:39:01,000 dude I would never let my wife be around because it's like she's gonna get 529 00:39:01,039 --> 00:39:05,719 me gone. You know, yours too, Um, he's a snatch him. 530 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,639 Yeah, I've been. I've hung out around Manuel. He was very 531 00:39:09,679 --> 00:39:13,880 attractive. I would, yeah, I would take part of it account for 532 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,760 Manuel. It's just not like I don't know, it's been so long since 533 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,559 I think at this point, I'm just like, I don't know. I 534 00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:22,800 want to like have sex with people who want to have sex with me. 535 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:29,039 Like he's never hit me up. I'm like me fair enough, and then 536 00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:32,000 everybody else that like I have that I do want to funk, Like we've 537 00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:36,119 probably done it for content if it wasn't for a studio. So I'm like, 538 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,880 I've already done it. A studio is gonna pay me my full rate. 539 00:39:40,039 --> 00:39:45,800 I read in another interview of yours that you started watching porn very young. 540 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:51,079 I believe, Um, did you have I'm waiting for the girl who 541 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,159 is like around our age and starts naming all female performers that I loved, 542 00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:58,679 and I'd be like, yes, yes, So like I have a wife 543 00:39:59,679 --> 00:40:02,320 with together a long time, I had a long term girlfriend before that. 544 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:07,199 I've never been without getting laid, and yet I still love collecting porn, 545 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,480 watching porn. Knowing all about the ins and outs of porn, I don't 546 00:40:10,519 --> 00:40:14,239 know why. Maybe it's a mental illness of mine, but I really enjoy 547 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:21,039 it. Did you have when you were younger? Okay, let's keep it 548 00:40:21,159 --> 00:40:23,840 legal, but not legal. I just don't want to get pulled off at 549 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:30,079 X videos for this. Did you have favorite performers or what kind of searches 550 00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:34,440 would you go through? And did it happen like all of a sudden, 551 00:40:34,599 --> 00:40:37,239 Like did you just type in like boobs or something like that and it stop? 552 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,239 Or like how does it work? I mean, like, how did 553 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,360 I start watching point? Yeah? How did you get into it? Was 554 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,239 that a friend's house? Was it go ahead? I'm pretty s I was 555 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:52,400 literally like I just remember being in the cafeteria and my friend saying like, 556 00:40:52,639 --> 00:40:58,840 you have to look at this website. And I went home that day and 557 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:00,760 I looked at the website that was you know, so it was by myself 558 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:06,800 and I was checking it out. Um. Also, I may have seen 559 00:41:07,039 --> 00:41:12,760 some girls gone wild commercials at like two am. Yeah. Um, I'm 560 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,320 not sure which came first. It's a gateway drug, yeah, yeah, 561 00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:20,159 very much so, So that was how I got into that. My favorite 562 00:41:20,199 --> 00:41:24,480 performers were Cytheria Yep. I loved watching her squirt squirting. Yep, there 563 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:30,880 you go. Fay Reagan, I cannot She's so hot. I saw her 564 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,519 in your Little Marquee and I was like, it's Faye Reagan. These are 565 00:41:34,519 --> 00:41:37,159 all my favorites. By the way, yeah, these are all pick no 566 00:41:37,199 --> 00:41:38,599 one can see them. Mix up you because I'm hoping one of you girls 567 00:41:38,679 --> 00:41:42,159 one day will be like, oh I've worked with her before. Faye Reagan. 568 00:41:42,199 --> 00:41:45,400 I love puffy red nipples. Not a huge fan, but they were. 569 00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:47,719 I mean, she's phenomenal. Go ahead continue if you have anyone else. 570 00:41:49,159 --> 00:41:52,559 Um. And then James Dean, I always really liked, you know, 571 00:41:52,599 --> 00:41:57,039 all the cake stuff. I loved the upper floor, UM a lot 572 00:41:57,039 --> 00:42:00,000 of Oh. I loved watching Fucked Hard eighteen, but like massages in the 573 00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:05,960 Blue Room. I actually got to go to his house. I never worked 574 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,199 for him, but like it was like two months in the industry. I 575 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:13,920 shot with his friend and then after the scene we were like hanging out and 576 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,800 then the owner like invited us over and I got to see the room and 577 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:22,000 I was like, oh my gosh, this is so cool. So we 578 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:22,960 could take this out if you want me to. I'm not going to call 579 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,920 anyone out by name, but that kind of brings to mind some things, 580 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:30,719 and there's been a lot of stuff on Twitter lately. How do you work 581 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:39,280 I don't know how to phrase this cancelations in your industry? Right? Is 582 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:44,079 it just a let it sit and see if it clears up? Is it 583 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,920 You'll never work with a bad person ever again, no matter how much good 584 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:52,760 they do going forward? Is there you know? I don't I'm not saying 585 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,840 any names or anything like that. I just I think you know exactly what 586 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,719 I'm yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. How does that work in your own 587 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,000 personal mindset? Because here was here was the weird thing of a bunch of 588 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,960 cancelations. I saw this last few weeks and seemed to happen every few months. 589 00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:15,119 It's almost like, um, girls will get mad that other girls aren't 590 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:20,960 backing them per se. Right, Like girl A has a bad shoot with 591 00:43:21,039 --> 00:43:23,639 Guy A. Now Guy A may have had a great shoot with Girl B, 592 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:29,960 no issues whatsoever. But girl A is expecting Girl B to really like 593 00:43:30,119 --> 00:43:31,800 stand up for her and be like, no, I'll never work with this 594 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,679 guy again. How do you approach that? And how do you see that 595 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,400 type of stuff in your industry? Like you approach cronyism? Sure, yeah, 596 00:43:39,559 --> 00:43:45,800 or or click mentality or because obviously, yes, um, you know, 597 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,800 get the scumbags out, have to have to get the scumbags out. 598 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,280 But what one person, well, one person may interpret as being a scumbag. 599 00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,280 He rushed me and was screaming at me. That girl might have showed 600 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,079 up forty five minutes late for a shoot, no makeup or anything like that. 601 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:06,599 Is it just sussing out the details and making your own opinions on things, 602 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,199 or is it what like, how would you approach that if somebody you 603 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:14,440 enjoyed working with was all of a sudden on the chopping block. Yeah, 604 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:22,639 I mean that I have had that experience. I think there's five sides to 605 00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:30,840 every story. And you know, cancel culture is great in some respects because 606 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:37,159 it does like put some fear into people to not behave, you know, 607 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:45,719 in some toxic ways. So I think that's helpful. Personally, I do 608 00:44:46,199 --> 00:44:51,000 believe like people, like obviously like people make mistakes, and people are human 609 00:44:51,039 --> 00:44:54,960 beings, and there can be a lot of miscommunication and misunderstandings between people, 610 00:44:55,440 --> 00:45:01,280 and I try to go like I go off of my personal experience or if 611 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:08,719 the evidence is so blatantly like if they yeah, yeah, if it's overwhelming. 612 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,800 Then I'm like, yeah, I just don't want to take my chances. 613 00:45:13,079 --> 00:45:15,679 But if somebody had already worked with before, who I had a good 614 00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:20,320 experience with, who I felt safe around, Um, I'm not going to 615 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,840 assume that this one person. It's not that I don't believe that she had 616 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:29,000 a bad experience, sure, but her you know, like sometimes like feelings 617 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:34,760 aren't facts, right, and a lot of times like feelings get mixed up 618 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:39,280 into these accusations, and I just like to try to be cheerful of that. 619 00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:44,159 Totally. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, and again I always 620 00:45:44,199 --> 00:45:47,559 feel bad for the girl, the second girl in that equation who's being told, 621 00:45:47,639 --> 00:45:51,760 like why aren't you standing up? I was watching girls fighting over the 622 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,519 last few weeks saying this is good, this one. I say, you 623 00:45:54,599 --> 00:45:58,960 know, you got to show the proof, show the evidence and just kind 624 00:45:59,039 --> 00:46:01,679 of, you know, get the scumbags out there are obviously scumbags. There's 625 00:46:01,679 --> 00:46:07,639 scumbags in every industry, Guys making your hogies, that fucking stink and their 626 00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,519 jerk offs. Okay, get them out of there too, Like that's how 627 00:46:09,559 --> 00:46:14,559 it is. But I don't know, Shane, do you have a go 628 00:46:14,679 --> 00:46:16,559 to question? And then any other questions you might well know. I just 629 00:46:16,599 --> 00:46:22,599 think with cancel culture, it's it's it's useful like Christianity is useful, right, 630 00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:27,320 kind of like how you mentioned before. I mean it's like if somebody 631 00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:34,440 who would be doing something really awful is not going to do it because they 632 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,800 feel like God is watching them, is going to punish them or judge them 633 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:42,400 for it, then who's to say it's wrong? You know? Um, 634 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:49,639 same for cancel culture. I mean, all opinions aside. It's like it 635 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:54,159 serves the same role at least where if you if you would have gone out 636 00:46:54,159 --> 00:46:58,840 of your way to be a fucking prick, but now you're not going to 637 00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:01,679 because you're afraid people are going to report you to your job and get you 638 00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:07,599 fired, well then maybe it's not such a bad thing. You see it 639 00:47:07,639 --> 00:47:09,760 as a cross. I see it as like a big gun, and it 640 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:15,679 can be at the right person, the guy that deserves to get the gun 641 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:20,119 pointed at them. But then sometimes it can just start spraying off everywhere, 642 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,280 and then you got to watch out for that one. Sometimes Dick Cheney's behind 643 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:28,280 the trigger, Yeah exactly. I don't know. That guy probably deserved it. 644 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,199 I don't know enough about it his friend. Yeah, he deserved it, 645 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,960 Shane. Your question, Oh, I mean I could have. I 646 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,840 guess I could have just done a little more research on my own before this, 647 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,440 but I yeah, I'll just I'll just ask it. I mean, 648 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:47,079 how do you like piss? I love that. That was a great you 649 00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:51,559 know, no no transition, just straight to it. I like it. 650 00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,280 He did not go to film school actually, which is shocking because you would 651 00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:58,679 think he has that radio idea behind him. Like, let's segue into this, 652 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:06,239 so a piss Alison Ray, Um, I have filmed a couple of 653 00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:10,599 things, like you know, literally just like me pissing in the woods and 654 00:48:10,639 --> 00:48:15,800 then I'm pretty sure like my ex, like you know, he pissed on 655 00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,039 my face for a video. I don't want to drink it, not into 656 00:48:19,039 --> 00:48:22,599 it. Yeah yeah, I will not even like drink it, Like I 657 00:48:22,639 --> 00:48:25,639 don't want it into my mouth, like sometimes it's like a and then it's 658 00:48:25,679 --> 00:48:30,159 just like dripping kind you know, but like I'm not into that. Um. 659 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:36,400 I I've we've we've done some other piss play, Like there's one I 660 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,039 think her I think it's else a gene Uh. I like really talked a 661 00:48:39,079 --> 00:48:43,159 lot about like she liked it. When guys like piss inside her. So 662 00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:47,119 like, I've tried that with my ex. I was it was an interesting 663 00:48:47,159 --> 00:48:51,719 experience. I don't know if I would do it again, but it was 664 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:58,679 an experience. UM have pissed on other people. That's fun. I like 665 00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,599 how powerful it feel? Okay, cool? Yeah see that, And that's 666 00:49:02,599 --> 00:49:07,800 the dynamic I like. I like the power dynamic where it's like the woman's 667 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:12,159 pissing all over the guy and it's like, you know you're dirty, so 668 00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:19,960 here take my waste, you know? Great? Yeah? Um, Alison 669 00:49:20,039 --> 00:49:23,599 ray Uh, we're gonna wrap up with Alison ray here. Alison ray a 670 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:29,320 l I s O n r E y on Instagram, A ray O Sunshine 671 00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:35,519 a r e y oh Sunshine on Twitter. Alison ray x x X only 672 00:49:35,559 --> 00:49:38,159 fans Alison ray XO. Is that a that's a paid one? Right? 673 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,920 Yes? They always anytime we interview girls, they go, I have a 674 00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,159 free one and a paid one. Promote my free one. Fuck that these 675 00:49:45,199 --> 00:49:50,599 people get out there and pay promote the paper. Okay, give this girl 676 00:49:50,679 --> 00:49:55,119 goddamn money. Alison ray XO on Only Fans, TikTok Allison unhinged and for 677 00:49:55,199 --> 00:50:00,000 links to everything, go to Alison ray fans dot com. Alison Ray, 678 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,840 thank you very much for joining us today. Yeah, of course, thank 679 00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:05,559 you so much for having me who I was talking to you guys you as 680 00:50:05,559 --> 00:50:07,960 well. It was awesome. If your worst friend, I'm Met I'm Shane, 681 00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:19,239 see you next week. 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