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Pelly cunning in the Great America.
Welcome with larious Wednesday afternoon the Tri State

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Red Space Bar. I'd listened last
night. Incredible Reds come from behind again

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when six to five, and they're
outed again this afternoon to five forty is

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Dan Hill's nose. And then tomorrow
is a business special, so I may

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not be with you tomorrow. The
weather in Detroit looks perfect. The weather's

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been perfect everywhere, a little bit
chili. Don't tell the global warming experts

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on that though. And then the
Reds are outed to New York Mets and

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back home with the Twinkies. One
game out of the wild Card. It

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is still possible, and I believe
they're going to get to the playoffs and

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if anything can happen. But this
morning there was an arrangement of a man

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accused of viciously assaulting a police officer
in the city of Cincinnati appeared in court

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for the first time. His name
is I may say the first name incorrectly,

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Jermichael Williams, nineteen years old.
He dialed nine one, claiming to

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be the victim of a robbery and
attack the officer who arrived to help him.

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Joining you and I now is Dan
Hills, the president of the FOB

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and Dan Hills, welcome again to
the Bill Cunningham Show. And can you

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give us the facts of what occurred
so that I may have a few of

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the facts incorrect so the American people
can know what cops are facing. Well,

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Willie, I think he gave a
pretty accurate outline to start. That's

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what happened, Ker Michael, I
like you. I think that's how he

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pronounced. Mister Williams calls nine on
on and says, hey, I just

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got robbed. I think he even
gave it the description of a car and

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was awaiting police officer to arrive to
make a report of something that never happened.

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The whole thing was a ruse.
And as soon as the police officer

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arrived on the scene, he went
and started knocking on the side door expecting

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to speak to a victim, and
the suspect came from around behind and again

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we're getting bull rushed again. Even
when you're responding to a robbery or a

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robber report, that's pretty everyday stuff
for since they police been you're not thinking

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this is why I'm about to be
attacked. It'd be different if you're approaching

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the suspect identified vehicle or described the
vehicle. But you're expecting to talk to

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a victim of a crime, and
instead here comes this crazy man throwing punches

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to knocking the officer down to where
he didn't even have a chance to react

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and defend himself until he was completely
tied up with this guy on top of

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him. He tried to pull out
his dayser, tried to I think he

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even fired a dayser but probably missed
as they were just right on top of

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one another, and then at one
point even considered reaching for his firearm,

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but the suspect beating to that to
the punch, shall I say, pun

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intended as he reached for this officer's
firearm and tried to pull it away from

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him. It was it was a
brutal We don't know, sixty seconds,

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ninety seconds. I don't know if
they've they've worked all that out yet.

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The officer estimated at two minutes,
and I wouldn't blame him if he thought

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it was two hours, because when
you're getting punched over and over and over

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again, time kind of drags along. It seems like it's a long time.

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So your friends arrived actually before the
other police officers arrived because he was

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out able to get out of call
for help. The family of this suspect

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came out and actually started grappling wrestling
with the suspect to get him off of

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the police officer. This is a
very young man, a fit man that

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that attacked the police officer. I
think he was about six foot tall,

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about one hundred and ninety not as
big as the the guy that attacked Officer

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McGuffey, but a very young,
fit and strong man that apparently wasn't going

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to feel any pain and they had
no conscious whatsoever out of attacking, and

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probably later on he started making threats
about killing police officers. I believe that

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the only thing that really is different
between this case and Sonny Kim, because

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in both cases they call the police
to lure him in and attack him,

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is that this suspect didn't have a
gun, or if he would have had

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a brick or anything like that,
we might be talking about a totally different

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set of circumstances we have. We
have people out there that think it's okay

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to attack and try to kill police
officers. I think there's a two sides

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of this story. Willie, you
and I talked a little bit when talked

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yesterday about the mentally ill and one
our criminals. The other side of this

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story is a society thing in general. We keep we keep telling certain segments

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of their population, of the population
that the police are their enemy and the

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police are out there trying to hurt
them, which is an absolute blatant why

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but for political reasons they got that
they go out there and do it and

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uh, and that probably has an
effect on people that are less stable.

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If you hear all the time,
if you hear in school and you hear

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in the media that policemen are out
there trying to hunt you down or hurt

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you or something like that, that's
going to have an effect on you if

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you're less stable, because that becomes
your reality. I know the reality.

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Will you know the reality that you
know why there might be a rotten apple

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and every barrel across the board.
And in general terms, police officers are

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really good people that are out there
helping folks and risking our lives doing so.

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But you know, we have we
have a media and and a segment

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of society that's constantly out there pushing
this narrative that policemen are bad. So

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again, an unstable person like Jermichael
h can can easily take those messages and

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uh and is not so fit mind
and turned it into a reason to attack

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a police officer, Sergeant Dan I
would imagine in this case, but for

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the intervention of family members, I
think this uh Jeremichael Williams was at his

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grandmother's home. But for the intervention
of the family members, this could have

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had a terrible outcome. Much like
Terry McGuffey down saw your point that this

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guy was. It was crazy.
And one thing you can say, you

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can use a taser on someone like
that and it bounces off of them.

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It has no impact at all.
And UH, the CCA, the Citizens

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Complaint Authority, and other instrumentalities and
institutions are prepared to launch on any police

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officer who makes a split second decision
that might be questioned or might be wrong.

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In this case, but for the
intervention of family members of this mentally

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ill to range attempt to murder of
a police officer criminal who's on a one

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now and a one million, one
point one million dollar bond, this could

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have been easily a Sunny Kim situation. There's something in the culture or something

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in the music, something in the
society that says police officers are racist pigs

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that need to be eliminated, and
for the mentally ill, they hear a

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different message than sane people do.
But even the same people can get crazy

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with these mythical attacks on police officers, as if you guys and women are

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out there trying to hurt people when
you're trying to help them. It's awful.

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Now as far as solving the problem, I watched one of your interviews,

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and there was a long time,
for about one hundred and fifty years

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that we had a state mental hospital
called Longview and which individuals were placed there.

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There were about eight hundred residents at
Longview, which was in bond Hill

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that had a big barbed wire fence
around it, many many acres. It

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was very pastoral. There were visitors, people could be put there. The

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mentally ill criminal that tried to kill
Officer McGuffey is up in the Columbus area.

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But we got rid of all the
mental hospitals because of a movie One

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Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest when Jack
Nicholson Head had the electrodes put on his

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brain. Guess what all the mental
hospitals began to shut down. Then we

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had group homes and therapy goes.
It wasn't fair to somebody to get them

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locked up. You made reference to
this. If somebody wants to solve this

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problem, it can't be done by
letting individuals walk around the streets and live

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on or off meds. It's got
to be done with a state mental hospital

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somewhere in the tri State, hopefully
still in bond Hill, where eight hundred

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people can be put. If we
had the same long View state mental hospital

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system that we had in the nineteen
forties, fifties, sixties and seventies,

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would this have been prohibited? Would
this had been stopped? Well, I

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can't speak on this specific one,
but in general it would sure be a

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lot less. You know, we
know the guy that attacked Altra McGuffey is

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not able to have a trial.
He's not confident for trial, right,

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And I can pretty much I can
pretty much go to Vegas and bet that's

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the same results going to happen on
this one as well, Right, And

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so we're gonna have these folks that
can't they're not competent for trial, So

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maybe they go to some friends to
hospital for a short pep portion of time.

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But you just said it, Willie. We don't have enough room because

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we've shut down so many institutions.
So the guy that attacked Terry McGuffey,

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this the guy that attacked this officer
in both of these cases. I feared

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that they'll be back out there and
able to do the same type of thing

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again. And they're at risk.
They're at risk, not only police officers,

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at risk, the citizens and they're
at risk to themselves. And we'll

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look at put the whole community at
risk because you know, you know what's

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coming. Will You can see around
the corner what's coming. One of these

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times, the police officer is going
to have to use devily force to defend

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themselves or they'll end up being killed. God forbid. But if they use

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deviily force to protect themselves. You
already said, it's the CCA and every

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other organization that's anti police out there, it's going to line up, and

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the politicians that gain and in certain
places geographic bears like the city of Cincinnati,

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when they bash police or they jump
on board when something when something happens,

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something that's tragic but necessary at times
to save your life. And that's

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what always worries me, Willie,
is that do we have hesitation on our

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police officers? That always concerns me. You know, in both these cases,

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I talked to the officers, and
in both cases they felt more like

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they could get the gun used against
them rather than that they hesitated because of

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fears of community and media reaction all
that stuff. But I always have to

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wonder in the back of my head, Willie, is you know is this

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a condition our police officers are finding
themselves more and more in is like,

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oh my gosh, if I use
if I use deadlie forche how will this

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all turn out? I watched last
night of video out of Claremont County and

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which this guy was mentally ill at
stabbed his own mother and he starts to

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run at two cops. The veteran
cops says, don't use the taser.

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This, don't use the taser,
and he's yelling that because it's not going

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to have any impact. If somebody's
running you with a knife and he's got

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blood in his eye and just stabbed
his mother, good luck with a taser.

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Pull out a gun and let him
meet his maker. And that's what

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happened. The veteran officer said,
don't use a taser and the younger officer

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had the tastes are out. He
said, don't use that, shoot him,

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and he shot him. I guess
unfortunately, maybe he lived and now

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he's on tropic. Sergeant Dan,
we got to go. But you're putting

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out the message that the moment is
coming when his normal citizens have got to

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stand up and say, you know
what, this is what happens at the

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same case in Claremont County. Happened
in the city of Cincinnati. Was some

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mentally ill, large person with a
knife in his hand coming out an officer.

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I'm sure the CCA is gonna want
that taser. You got to try

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the baton and fight somebody who's crazy
with a knife twice your size. But

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Sergeant Dan, we got to go
and last and we have thirty seconds.

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What's the status? Can you give
us the name of the police officer and

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what's his status? Well, I'm
will let the police department release his name.

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I can tell you I text with
him earlier today and he's having a

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hard time walking. His head injuries
all tested negative, no skull fractures,

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no brain relieds. But he's his
back is so bad today that he's not

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walking I'm not really sure of his
age. I know him a little bit,

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but I think he's probably in his
late forties or fifty or early fifties.

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Is not a time when you want
to be out there wrestling nineteen year

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old people who don't feel pain.
It's a it's a it's a dangerous job,

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Willie. And we got lucky one
more time. I don't know how

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many more times can you get lucky
like this, but we survived again.

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Sergeant Dan, thank you for coming
on the Bill Cunningham Show. Thank you

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always a pleasure. Miss Garner.
God bless America. Let's continue with more

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