Welcome to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro Roja. Open Minds Radio is a UFO
news authority presenting evidence and the latest news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your
host, Alejandro Roja. Thank you, mister Dean. Actually, Bob Dean,
the guy who does that intro for us, is going to be our
guest next week. Hello, this is Alejandro Rojas with Open Minds Radio,
your UFO news authority. Also exciting is that this week's guest is I didn't
lie to you last week. It's Ross Hemsworth. I wasn't sure if we
could get him when we were doing the show, but luckily we did and
that is exciting because Ross is a TV and radio presenter. He's currently studying
law in the UK, which is great. A personal friend we find out
today of Janice. I can't remember her last name, but she is the
mother of Gary McKinnon. So he called her today to get an update and
he'll be sharing that with us. That's really cool. He's also worked on
paranormal shows for ITV that's the international television station and BBC world Wide. Pretty
cool. His show is called Now That's Weird, although I think that's on
hiatus right now, but he's starting that up again. His new website is
TRUTHBOXI think dot com, dot UK, dot com, dot uk dot tv.
He copied that's truthbox dot tv. So we'll talk to him more about
that. I wrote here that he lives in Crop Circle, the Crop Circle
hot spot of Glastonbury, but he informed me that actually the Crop Circles are
not in Glastonbury. They're nearby, but a little further away. He has
lots of exciting stuff out there in Glastonbury. He is an advisor for the
International UFO Congress, which is coming up, and so we'll be talking all
about this, and he wants to talk about Surpo. I told him I
am a Surpo skeptic, and he said, well, he has some information
that may change my mind. So we will talk with Ross. He's a
very cool guy. I love this guy. Some of you may know him
from the interview we did with him at the International UFO Congress last year,
one of the videos that we have up on the website. It was a
lot of fun. He's a lot of fun and this show is going to
be a lot of fun. Speaking of the International UFO Congress, A couple
things first, everything is practically almost sold out. If you want to get
to the cocktail Meet, the Speaker deal on Wednesday, or you want to
get to the banquet and the EBE Awards on Saturday, you better book that
asap because we are almost sold out of everything. It's great. The response
has been absolutely amazing, and it looks like this may be one of,
if not the biggest international UFO Congress in the history of human existence. That
is something else, I'll tell you what. Another cool thing is that we're
going to have a new prize at one of our door prizes. We're still
figuring out how we're going to give this away or if we are. Maureen
is really tempted just to not give it to anybody and take it herself,
but we won't let that happen. It'll be a prize for one of our
guests, and that is a fourteenth day all inclusive UFO tour provided by Top
Secret Tours. This is pretty cool. They're going to take you to Los
Alamos and the White Sand, the trim Trinity Atomic Test Site, to Roswell,
to Arizona, the meteor creator Sedona Grand Canyon. They should put the
Open Mind's offices because that's one of the biggest UFO hotspots, but only for
the freebee guys, so and much much more. They're going to take you
all over. You're probably going to see UFOs, hopefully meet extraterrestrials. They
don't guarantee this, but with all of these incredible places they are going,
the odds are good. And in fact, you can go to our website
and they're one of our advertisers. You can click on the link if you're
like, hey man, I don't want to wait to see if I'm gonna
win. I want to go on a tour right now. It's worth like
three thousand dollars, probably more, but it's a lot of fun. So
go check that out or come to the conference and hopefully win your chance to
do this cool thing. So there are some updates, there are some news.
But oh and I did want to say one of the things. Well,
I'll mention that later one of the stories we have up. So hang
type people, I'll have some more news coming up on some of the cool
stuff on our website. But what we want to tell talk about now,
what we want to do is just one of the most exciting parts of our
show, and that is to bring on our news correspondent who will tell us
about the latest UFO headlines throughout the world. And there's some good ones going
on, Ladies and gentlemen, I introduce to you Jason McClellan. Hello,
Hello, well a hostle and greetings everyone. This is your Open Minds News
Brief for Monday, January thirty, first, twenty eleven. An astronomer believes
that the search for extraterrestrial life is hopeless. Can you believe this guy?
According to the Daily Telegraph, Howard Smith, a senior astrophysicist at Harvard University,
says he believes humans are alone in the universe. His belief is based
on the analysis of five hundred discovered planets that appear to be too hostile to
support life, at least as we currently understand life. Smith is likely not
a lot in his belief, but other scientists continue to search for life elsewhere
in the universe. It was less than two months ago and NASA announced the
discovery of a bacteria capable of surviving in an arsenic heavy environment by modifying itself.
The geo microbiologists who led the study of this bacteria explained that the discovery
opened the doors for us to think about biology in ways we have never thought.
So Smith might be over hasty and his dismissal of those five hundred planets
with environments hostile to life as we know it. He's checked over five hundred
planets, so Jason, he knows. I think his checking could be better
described as a brushing over. Yeah what yeah, we I mean of those
five hundred planets, he doesn't know what may or may not exist in the
most Well, that's exactly right, I mean, right now, you look
for what you understand. You know, we look for us, We look
for places where we could survive Disneyland. Well I doubt that's there. That'd
be awesome. But you know, with hell about the universe is and all
of these different crazy planets we keep finding. Who knows what life would be
like on those planets? Yep, who knows? And there's you know,
he's checked five hundred planets, but there's five hundred and you can write this
down. This is the the latest figure. Five hundred kajillion planets out there.
So he's only checked like one out of a kajillion. And you know
how many zeros are after the one in a kajillion? As many as you're
making up in your mind right now. Too many to count, Jason,
that's how many extraordinary just as a number of kajillion boggles my mind? Why
don't you write that down for me? Okay, start writing it down.
You're right though, Yeah, I mean there's so many planets. Come on,
five hundred, buddy, you got a lot more checking to good do,
good good buddy, And we're looking for things we don't know about,
so it's hard to just declare something like that, that ego. It's kind
of funny. Yeah. I wonder if there were some SETI people, some
students who were settying to become astrobiologists, and they're like, oh man,
this is a bummer. I'm gonna have to change my major to psychology.
Letting people down. Yep, speaking of SETI. SETI, the search for
Extraterrestrial intelligence has gained an ally in the search for extraterrestrial life the University of
Southern California. A statement was released last Wednesday announcing the agreement between the two
institutions to conduct joint research and education programs. USC's leading astronomy program will greatly
assist SETI in their hunt for extraterrestrial life, While USC's students and faculty will
benefit from gaining access to SETI facilities like their radio telescopes. SETI also collaborates
with UC Berkeley. Yep, so they can listen to nothing. Okay,
I'll sit there and listen to that all day. I'll tell you what,
USC or any other university or car out there partner up with us, And
you know that's great, you're partnering up with SETI. But partner up with
us, we're going to be able to take you into areas of science that
are much more interesting than listening to nothing, and which are some very valid
areas, some of the stuff that has not been looked at. And there
are very many scientists we write about. We could really open the mindset in
a more exciting way of these kids, of these students than boring SETI.
You know, this partnership with the SETI and USC, I bet there are
some conspiracy theorists out there having a field day with this. Get this.
So USC has a fantastic film program which is back financially, very heavily financially
by Steven Spielberg and George Lucas. Hmmm, dunt, dun, dun.
Yeah, And people have their their ideas about Lucas and Spielberg and what they
may or may not know interesting, very interesting, he to some. Some
US scientists claim that current attempts at communicating with extraterrestrial life are either disorganized or
too cryptic for aliens to decode. This claim is made by postgraduate astrophysicists in
Space Policy and International Interdisciplinary Journal, where the suggestion is made to develop a
protocol for sending messages to extraterrestrials establis Establishing an extraterrestrial communication protocol would improve the
likelihood of messages being understood by alien life forms. The authors suggest that such
a protocol should include constraints and guidelines for signal encoding, message length, and
information content. Additionally, they say a transmission strategy should be clearly laid out
in this protocol, and they suggest a simple physical or mathematical language with the
signal repeated regularly to avoid being overlooked as noise. That's interesting, because I
mean, all we talk about now is listening for messages from Lord knows where.
But maybe it'd be a good idea to start sending some out in a
more regular type of way. But of course some people like Stephen Hawkins will
be afraid that the aliens will then find us and destroy us or eat us.
That's what he said. But it is an interesting thought, you know
right now that if they're listening, but think about sending out messages and if
we just start at random sending out whatever we want, who knows what that
could do? Yeah? And how how much power? According to Setting and
those guys, it takes a lot of energy to send signals very far.
So do we even have the capability to do that at this point? And
again it's you know, at this point, at this stage in the game,
it's a it's all guesses. Yeah, you know, we don't know
what technology other civilizations might have. M we don't know if they're equipped to
receive our the types of signals we're sending, where they even care to listen
well, and there are some people probably catching at their radios right now,
because of course, this is all under the assumption that no contact has been
made, right, not just hanging out right not very far from us right
now, which that's a very good point. Most likely the issue. It
is not uncommon for the appearance of disc shaped clouds known as lenticular clouds to
result in UFO reports. The unusual appearance of these clouds leads some to conclude
that what they are seeing is a cloaked UFO. Another type of cloud related
phenomenon that unbelieve results from cloak UFOs is known as a whole punch cloud.
The October two thousand and nine occurrents of a whole punch cloud was videotaped in
Moscow and picked up by media sources around the globe. But a new story
study led by Andrew Haymsfield of the National Center of Atmospheric Research claims to have
found an explanation for the strange phenomena. Again, this is just his theory.
This research determined that whole bunch of clouds are likely caused by airplanes taking
off or landing. According to him, any airplanes, whether jet or propeller,
can make these things. The results of the study appeared in the bulletin
of the American Meteorological Society, and there have been various theories with these clouds
just in the past year. Because we saw a lot of clouds in twenty
ten. At the end of two thousand and nine, a lot of these
strange either circle clouds or absence of cloud in a hole pattern. I wonder
if that's related though, to more people having the phone to be able to
take pictures and videos of these. I think that's a big part of it.
Yeah, because and really, quite frankly, I'm not so interested in
the strange cloud phenomena because there's so many. You know, of course,
there's a lot of sightings where we talk about and they turn out to be
balloons and stuff. But there's a lot of great sightings out there, just
a couple this week, you know, and the one whole punched in a
cloud that is the most exciting of all time that I know of. Of
course, it's the Chicago hair siding where this UFO went through the cloud,
so you know, they know what went through the clouds. There a lot
of people, including pilots and everything, saw this disc shaped UFO punch through
the cloud. So you know, big deal about these more anomalous the ones.
What about these ones where people witness this stuff? Right, and they
call that I think the FA or yeah, the FA called that weird some
kind of weather anomaly, But some kind of flying metallic disc is a weather
anomaly. I don't think so. Weather seems to be for some reason,
a very easy way to explain something away and people are expected did the buy
into it? And they usually do. Yeah. Media often yeah, we'll
say oh, okay, great, Yep, it's a shame tragic. We
try to fix that in our own little way. Yeah, and we're doing
a good job, decent. I'll patch you on the back to you,
my friends. A UFO organization in South Africa is calling for the government to
release secret UFO files. This organization, known as the South Africa's UFO Resource,
urges people to take UFO sighting seriously. The organization takes sighting reports,
but claims that only one out of ten sightings are reported. The organization's founder
says this is because media around the world has not played a positive role in
UFO reports and there is the ridicule factor. People are afraid of the response
they would get. Yeah. I love these kind of stories because I love
seeing other countries and thinking to know a little bit about the UFO civilian UFO
research going on in these other countries and to see that it exists. And
it's exciting because especially now, if we can try to hopefully build a network
with some of these people, I mean Skype we're gonna be talking to Ross
Hemp Squarest all the way in the UK. That's a long ways away.
You know, we're gonna be talking back at light speed for free over Skype.
I mean, there's the ability to be able to talk to people around
the world is incredible right now. And there's never been that whole worldwide network.
And it's our duty as they holders of the International UFO Congress to create
these ties and get this rolling. Will you help me in my task to
do that, Jason? Why don't you your ties already exist? Alejandro?
We need more, more more. We need South Africa, we need Korea,
we need Russia, we need to cover the world. Well, you
did a good job last week of forming bonds with Korea. Thank you.
Yes, yeah, I did get a hold of that, and that's exciting
because hopefully he sent some pictures to us. There's a gentleman. What did
we talked about that story last week? I think, huh. I believe
we did about the Korean researcher who was featured in the Korean Times, a
UFO researcher, and he examined a lot of UFO photos and videos, and
we got a hold of him and he sent us some pictures and some information,
so we'll put that up on the website real soon here and yeah,
hopefully we can talk to that guy some more. And that's really exciting that
he actually got back to us. Yeah, really cool. But you know
this guy, you're right, this story is like this that it's very exciting
to see that. You know, all around the world and we know this,
but it just helps seeing it week after week, finding out about these
different areas of the world where there are people really trying to get more information
and get information out to people and put pressure on governments to release information.
South Africa, Korea, get the network going. Yeah, pretty cool way
to go, buddy. We've mentioned Bigelow Aerospace many times on the show before.
This is the company led by hotel tycoon Robert Bigelow that is working to
put a hotel in space. The company is already tested their inflatable hotel modules
in low Earth orbit. According to Popular Science, NASA is in talks with
Bigelow Aerospace to acquire one of its expandable modules for installation on the International Space
Station. NASA is looking for an inexpensive and proven way to expand the usable
space aboard the ISS and a big expandable module might be just what they are
looking for. Yeah, you know, people, I gotta what I love
about the Bigelow stories is how well Bigelow Aerospace is doing that. They're really
becoming a part of the the space community and partnering up with NASA. And
just because Robert Bigelow is the guy schmoozing making these connections and all over the
place, and he is someone who is not afraid. He'll boldly state his
belief in UFOs that he thinks that they're here and it's a very big part
of him and what he does, and that's exciting. So he's having these
conversations out there. There's no doubt with all of these people that are building
these big modules and stuff. And I'll bet a lot of them are believers
as well in the UFO phenomenon and think that more is going on, but
they're just too afraid to speak about it, right, And we talk about
this quite a lot in the news, But I find it really exciting all
of these private companies with their developments and their drive to get into space and
all the technology they're coming up with, the crafts, the modules. I
mean, these people are putting millions and millions of dollars into these programs,
and I don't know, it's just exciting, you know, Yeah, just
counter to to NASA, things seem to move very slowly. Yeah, but
I mean companies like Bigelow and Virgin, I mean Virgin Galactic just taken off
like a storm. I mean not very long ago, even a couple of
years ago. Like you said, NASA move is very slow. That's all
we saw. It was NASA making little baby steps towards this or that,
and in a not very focused manner. You know. All of a sudden,
you have George Bush saying, oh, we're going to the mood,
so everybody switches to the moon. Then we have obamacamming, no, we're
not going to the moon. We're going to Mars. So everything switches to
Mars. But now that the private industry is part of the factor, all
of a sudden, we're in space. All of a sudden, you can
buy a ticket to go fly into space. Russia is flying people into space,
Virgin is going to be flying people into space. The X plane is
going to be flying people into space. All of a sudden, we're on
the cusp of being a Space Faring Society. How exciting is that. I
just had a friend in the from New Mexico tell me I need to come
out for a visit and it'll show me around the spaceport area. Oh awesome.
Yeah, I can't wait to see that. When it's done, be
sweet. That's going to be very cool. We'll definitely have to take to
drive out there, absolutely just to stay it over YEP. Two witnesses simultaneously
filmed a UFO over Mountain Zion and the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, Jerusalem,
Israel, at one am on Friday morning. These witnesses started filming after noticing
a large ball shaped UFO hovering in the city. Hovering above the sky in
the city. After about one minute, the UFO rapidly descended to almost ground
level, stopping to hover directly above the Temple Mount. The UFO then shot
straight up. M you saw this video, right, Yeah, Yeah,
it's funny you brought it up. People in the chat are like, what
are they going to start talking about that? Yeah, it's an interesting video.
The first time I saw it, the video looked kind of choppy and
I was a little, you know, worried about that. I saw that
he showed a guy taking the video with a phone or something, and I
was wondering, well, why didn't they post that video too, But now
they have, Yeah, and so I don't know. At first I kind
of had a bad feeling, like it looked like a hoax. And now
I'm on the fence about it. Somebody's asking, you know, if it's
real or not. I don't know. I think we have to find out
some more about the people who took the video, right, Hopefully there's some
research going on, because it's always difficult to get a hold of it.
Again, international difficult to get a hold of these people. So I don't
know on this one. Yeah, I don't either. Watching the video,
it looked pretty incredible, but watching the man up front, the camera in
front do the filming, and then the reactions of both cameras, and I
don't know. It seems when this thing does this rapid descent and then ascension,
there wasn't a reaction of surprise by the people filming. I would have
flipped. I mean, if you haven't seen this video, I'm sure a
lot of you have, But if you haven't, go to the front page
of our website, or if you're listening to a podcast. A couple of
days may have passed, but still just go to our search and put in
Jerusalem because we have a story posted there where you could see these two videos
next to each other that we're talking about. And it is an incredible video
where this thing drops, flashes lights, and then takes off. But you're
right, I mean when that thing drops, first of all, it would
have been holy crap. I mean, how weird is that that this light
drops to just maybe one hundred feet above the ground or something, and then
when it flashes and then takes off, especially in that area, you would
think, oh, is that a bomb? Right? I would have freaked
out. But well, and I know if you and I were out filming
something in the sky, if we saw it drop like that or shoot up,
whoever was in front would turn back and go what the ha huh?
And then the video would show us on the ground crying in the fetal position,
freaking out. I wouldn't freak out that much. I might. I
might laugh at you and turn the camera on you if you were doing that.
Yes, I did do that last week. You're right. Now,
we're pretty tough, we're pretty used to this, but we would look at
each other and what the hell. Yeah, it'd be pretty exciting. Yeah,
I would flip out, really exciting. Yeah. I mean even when
you see something not that exciting, like an orb or something in the sky,
it's still exciting. And when you see any sort of movement or whatever,
yeah, you know, it's it's difficult to follow them perfectly because you
don't know what movements it's making, especially when it shoots up rapidly or drops
rapidly. Pretty cool video, Yeah, very cool video. Betty Good video,
Betty Good video. That is it for the news. If I wanted
to ask you about Utah, did you see the Utah video? I did
see the Utah video. That's a really good video. That one I don't
think is a hoax. Who knows what it is. But this was a
video of three lights over Utah and seemed like it dropped, yeah, which
is fairly common in UFO videos where you see something drop out, another light
drop down. That was a really cool video too, And something that in
my mind helps that video is the witness that they spoke with on the news.
Right, just seems like a regular lady wouldn't have any reason to hoax
a video or any know how to do it right. Yeah, that's another
exciting one, so go check that out. That's on our website too.
Good mention, Alejandro. That is it for the news. Remember to check
out these stories, these videos and more at Openminds dot tv, your source
for UFO related news. I'm Jason McLellan, your Open Minds News correspondent,
and you've been briefed back to you, sir. All right, thank you,
Jason. Someone in the chat, John may lives that's from V.
I didn't give the a very good review, by the way, the new
V series in our magazine, but he has a good point that where the
UFO was seen was over the Dome of the Rock, which is also known
as Temple Mount, which is actually the biggest source of contention between the Israelis
and the Palestinians because when they draw their lines of where's Palestine, Where's Israel,
they both want Temple Mount and they will not give it up, and
it's one of the big issues there. So it's interesting that that was the
place. Yes, some people say the Ark of the Covenant is or was
there. The Knights Templar I think believed that they had exhumed the arc of
the Government Covenant under from under Temple Mount. But there's all kinds of stories
anyway, very interesting stuff. Some other interesting stuff that we have going on
on our website, some other stories. Michael Schratt has continued to post his
UFO case files revealed where he goes and he takes some cases this time in
this latest installment from the Auto Binder Reports, and he will make some illustrations
of what the witness describes so you can see what that might have looked like
to the witness. And he did some pretty cool ones here that we just
posted today. Also, he did one for an email receive we received and
this was kind of neat one of our reader's listeners. His name ed Towers,
and he had actually I've seen this send this to other researchers. But
he wrote a very lengthy and detailed citing that he had in Santa Clarita Valley
in California where he was cleaning his in nineteen seventy eight and saw UFO over
the house. And Michael did a great job reproducing that, making a picture
in a diagram of that, and you can see that on the website.
Also, Paula Harris Payola sayi Satan Italian Payola. She wrote us something.
Actually, Jason had written a bio or a story on Colin Andrews, and
Paula Harris had also done an interview, so we used excerpts of that interview
in the magazine story, but we wanted to post the entire interview because there's
some very interesting stuff in there, some stuff you probably never knew about the
famous crop circle researcher Colin Andrews that are in this interview, so you can
check that out on the website as well. And then like I talked about,
you know, the Korean UFO chasers, SETI and teaming up with USC
and some of this other stuff we have up on website too, So those
are some of the things that we have on the website going on. However,
I am very excited, and I know I say that every week I'm
excited about the guests, but I really am, and I'm very excited about
today's guest, mister Ross Hemsworth, who I believe is on the line.
Are you there, Ross? I and Andro, great to SPI speak to
you again, all right, great to talk to you. And the audio
quality it sounds great even though you're you're many many many miles away right now.
Sometimes you know these things, This new technology makes us sound as if
we're next door to each other even though we're across the sea exactly. So
it's pretty exciting. It's pretty cool stuff, absolutely yeah. And I have
to say that there was a little bit of a fuss earlier on trying to
get the phone lines and things to work with. Then once we got it
all sorted, it's lovely and clear. Yep, it's perfect. So and
I want to thank you for staying up because it's it's the wee hours of
the morning for you out there. It is. And what I've got to
say, and I must apologize to the listeners if they hear any background noise
here because this is the most exciting time of the day for my two cats,
and I've got a young kitten who thinks it's great fun to get up
here and tap the microphone. So do you hear any noise, That's what
it'll be. Yeah. They always want to be the center of attention.
Absolutely well, thanks so much for being on the show. And we can
start with a correction that you made, and I had mentioned it a little
bit earlier. I had mentioned that you were from the Glastonbury area and had
said that as a crop circle hearts. But but you pointed out that the
crap circles are actually a little ways away from you. Yes. Yeah.
You have to travel east of here, a little bit up into Wiltshire,
just the other side of trail Bridge Trowbridge, and you'll get into crop circle
country. There. There's an area between sort of Avebury and Stonehenge, and
most of the crop circles tend to appear in that sort of area. And
I think that's why a lot of people believe circle makers rather than strange phenomena,
are the cause, because they do tend to be within a few miles
of each other. Mm hmmm. And how do you feel about that?
I've got mixed feelings. I mean, I've spoken to some of the circle
makers, and I've spoken to people that claim to know circle makers, and
they say that they probably couldn't do it without some kind of outside influence.
But one of the telling things from me was the story of a farmer on
a farm talking to a friend of his. The friend was totally skeptic,
the farmer wasn't, and they were moaning about the damage to the fields.
They get through the summer and the damage to the crops. And one farmer
said to the other one, yeah, but it's ludicrous, these people stomping
across your field at night. And he said, well, do you actually
believe that? He said, surely you don't believe that little green men do
this. And he said, well, no, I don't, he said,
but I do believe it's more than just people stomping across the field.
So he said, well, what makes you think that. He said,
well, this evening, when you finished working on the farm, come and
sit on the hill on my farm and just sit there. He said,
why should just do it? So he went and sat on top of this
hill, just overlooking the farm, and this flock of geese flew across the
field as they were doing most nights, and when they got to the crop
circle over this farmer's field, they split. Now they always fly in a
V formation geese, as you probably know, and they split into two groups
and literally flew around the circle. Wow. Now that's not something that would
happen if there was just people making a you know, dent in the corn
below. So I think there's an electromagnetic energy that plays a part in this,
and I think rather than look at bradiance from out of space, we
should be looking perhaps at fault lines and energies that are below the surface,
and also the chalk deposits which are in that area which hold water, because
I think that also plays an important part in what's going on there now I
have I'm very interested in the kind of the aorbs that are seen around there
quite a bit now I know, I personally believe, you know, Carlinie
Andrews was evil to demonstrate with his colleagues at that famous video of the orb
making the crap circle was hoaxed and they found the guy who did it.
But a lot of crap circle makers, A lot of people have filmed orbs
or seen orbs in the area, and I always wonder if those orbs are
related. Well, again, you see the orb phenomena. A lot of
paranormal investigators have actually ruled orbs out more two three years ago. Has been
nothing more than dust and moisture at ninety five percent of the time. That's
exactly what they are. They're anomally is caught on camera that are nothing more
than out focus centers of light picked up on depth of field. But I'm
still I would say juries out because we've done a whole series of tests on
this orb phenomena and certainly you can seem to get them to appear on request
when you're working with things like mediums, and if that was dust or water,
then we should be setting up a church aljandro and praising dust and moisture,
because if there's an intelligent communication coming out of these things, than to
me, it certainly isn't dust and water. I think there has to be
more to it, and certainly with the crop circles there seems to be the
same kind of phenomena. And again I'm wondering whether or not it comes back
to this fault line explanation that there's this geomagnetic energy coming from the Earth.
One of the things I'm working on in my research at the moment is the
tectonic stress theory, in that these fault lines are generating a cause and effect
which is directly affecting us as individuals because we're also electromagnetic and the things around
us. So when you put these things together you can get these weird things
going on. And some of the research I did in Scotland you may know
about, was around Boluskene where Alice Crowley used to live, which is the
Great Glen Fault in Scotland and that runs across from Boloskene through Castle and out
to Ireland. And on that fault line they've had all this weird stuff happening
at Boloskeine. I had a weird experience myself in Boliscine Cemetery where I disappeared
off a video for about four minutes. Most of the Lockness Monster sightings have
been on that line, So it makes you wonder whether or not all of
these things are interrelated. And if you look at people like, for instance,
Paul Devereux, Paul Devro has been doing a whole load of work about
orange orbs that seem to be appearing just before earthquakes, as if some sort
of warning signal that there's going to be an earthquake taking place. So I
think the whole orb thing, the jury is still very much out and I
think we need to not write them off too quickly. Yeah, that's interesting
because to hear kind of that perspective, because it doesn't seem like the researchers
out of the UK are as pragmatic about the phenomena as those in the US.
As you are. I think there's a lot of arguments going on in
the UK at the moment with regards answer to what is paranormal and what is
ParaScience, And this is one of the things I've been championing this year is
to come away from that old word paranormal, which has got some pretty poor
pr and has covered things like ghost crop circles and UFOs for years, and
change it to ParaScience and sort of say, well, okay, those that
are more seriously interested in doing some real research to get to the bottom of
some of this should be looking at crossing over science with these paranormal research techniques,
because the three blind test that or the triple blind test as science called
it, that is done in the laboratory cannot answer some of these questions.
And some of the leading scientists are now coming forward and finally admitting that now,
if we can get our heads together with science and say well, okay,
let's get out into the field and explore some of these out of the
box type theories, then just maybe we'll get some answers. So this year,
rather than being a paranormal investigator, I want to really put the word
out there of ParaScience researcher, gotcha, And I want to tell people real
quick there. I guess they're in blogtalk. Some people are having some audio
issues. But you can go to Openminds dot tv and click on the radio
tab where we have the live video stream going on, and you'll be able
to hear there and we'll get the podcast fixed if that's affected very soon.
Here just so you all know, because you know, these people are us.
When they don't have the show, they just are like they're so addicted
to the show that they got to have it on a regular release. There's
no audio problems from their end. Again, is that no, you sound
great. I am too bad they can't hear you because I can hear you
great and see you sound really good, So I know you've got some good
equipment on your side. I think that, Uh. You know. One
of the things and one of the reasons I talked about that with the crop
circles is just what you're saying. You know, I work with or I'm
friends with Nancy Talbot, uh, And that's where one of the hard things
that she has is that you know, when she tries to find people to
do some of the science around the crapture. Of course she has a hard
time because a lot of people would rather go and kind of meditating stuff as
opposed to, you know, do some real scientific work out there, and
that's kind of where we've difficult We stuffer from that a lot. Here in
Glastonbury. We've got far too much of the what I call Love and Light
brigade. And I've got nothing against them, you know, all power to
their arm. But you know, to actually get science to take notice of
these things, you have to step away from that and you have to be
realistic. And I've had some quite interesting banter with other researchers on Facebook and
Twitter lately because they don't all agree with my ideas, as you can imagine,
nor would I expect them to. But it'll be nice to actually go
out into the field and actually prove what you say by doing a series of
tests. And at least of the time this year in the UK, I'm
going to be doing exactly that. I'm actually taking a group of people out
and filming a series of tests based on this tectonic stress theory and see whether
or not we can actually get some firm results which we can then document and
show on camera. And that will I think open the doors to further things
in the year ahead. That's exciting. I mean, and the science part
is so important. I mean, that's what that's where we can really try
to find some things out. Even if it is from let's say these people
are writing it is from an extraterrestrial source, the science behind it can then
show us some of the how they operate and how they do what they do.
And that's what I always find interesting. And we were talking about Robert
Bigelow earlier, and I know that's what his interest was in UFOs, is
to figure out some of their technology. Well, I wouldn't say, I
mean Bigelow has got obviously a much bigger budget than I've got, and so
I wish we could get someone like that behind us, because that would give
us the help we need to be able to find some of the things that
that we want to do, because obviously we're always working on zero budget because
all the money in the UK goes to the universities, to the skeptical guys,
you know, the guys that are doing the work on the other side
of the fence, so we don't get that opportunity. We have to do
it out of our own pocket, which is why it takes a lot longer.
People like Bigelo. You know, if we could get him involved in
stuff like this, and I know he has an interest in it, then
we'd be able to work a lot quicker and get much better results. But
I think the whole point here is there is so much out there to be
done. People are taking in the interest. It is a wider and bigger
audience than it used to be. And in fact, I've changed the name
of my own radio show from now That's Weird because these things used to be
weird, to truth Box because these days it's about the truth, what's actually
happening. It's no longer weird. So we've actually had a whole change on
that. But going back to your point about UFOs, you know, I'm
not discounting UFOs exist by the rate I've made earlier. I actually believe now
a paradimensional parallel dimensions. So rather than whizzing across space, you know,
three million light years across space, they're actually moving through into dimensional portals.
And I've got a picture which I think you may have seen when I did
a presentation at UFO Congress of a creature that I confronted in Rendersham Forest.
Now, this is quite a strange story because I went to Rendersham to investigate
the or phenomenon that people were photographing now and I actually went into trance myself.
Now, I didn't believe in mediumship at that time. I certainly didn't
believe that any of the mediums were anything more than cold readers. So for
me to suddenly be, if you like, taken over by something that was
speaking through me was just horrendous. I just couldn't know it. But this
stuff was all coming out, and it all related to what appears to be
light frequencies and transition of human to light body for all kinds of weird stuff
that's sort of back in two thousand and three made no sense to me at
all. But I described this creature that was over my left shoulder, and
lo and behold, one of the team actually took a photograph and there it
was in the photo. Now, we were on Track ten at Rembush and
we've gone back to the cars to get some soup and coffee after this event
happened, and he just plugged the camera into the laptop, so there was
no time for any manipulation. And there was this picture as clear as anything,
this alien looking entity right over my shoulder in of all places, rhndush
and forest. So I've never been able to work out what that is.
I've shown it at conferences all over the world. I've shown it to people,
to experts, to photography experts. Nobody yet has been able to give
me any logical or rational explanation as to what that is in the photo.
So I do believe there are entities there, and I do believe we encounter
them, but I think it's in two dimensional gateways rather than you know,
little green men. Yeah, that's very interesting. I mean it kind of
goes back to I'm gonna rade this down because I not forget that. But
when you talked about how you changed your name from now that's weird to the
truth box. It's kind of this evolution, which is a positive thing,
and you can it's a good question to see if this evolution has happened,
probably even more so in the UK than here to where a lot of this
strange phenomena what was called paranormal, isn't so weird anymore. I mean,
we have so much of it coming to us from the media where we've kind
of evolved where that's not weird. But the phenomena doesn't just kind of sit
there and stay the same as it always is. It gets more weirder.
It pushes the weird envelope. Oh absolutely, no, I agree, And
I think you know, the more that it does that, the more people
do sit up and take notice. But I don't know what it's like in
America. Over Here, our mainstream news agencies, papers TV still tend to
give it the little green men touch when they're covering the stories. They're still
not taking it that seriously. And I think to get the real news you
still have to go on the internet. But again, when you go on
the internet, you see so many hoaxes, so many videos that are I
mean, if you look at the most recent one, which is the UFO
over Jerusalem over the globe, it looks very much like a very very strong
orb type shape shooting off into space at great, great speed, And when
you look at it for the first time, it's a very convincing UFO footage.
When you look at it over and over again, you start to see
little things that say, no, this has actually been played around with,
this is not perhaps what it's supposed to be and then you start to get
the feeling this is actually a total hoax video. So how many things on
the Internet. Can you actually believe how many out there are being put out
for disinformation, for hoax, for mischief. It makes it really, really
difficult for your average sort of UFO researcher to tell the good from the bad
anymore, right, And that's a really good point because like you said,
there, you know, there are some weird little things that are that Jerusalem
thing that kind of threw me off at first, and now I'm like,
you know, I don't know what to think about it. But regardless of
that video, there have been so many videos that have been hoaxed, and
then so many people lately that have come out to be hoaxes, These people
who have these extraordinary claims and then continue to make these claims repeatedly over long
periods of times until they're outed, And it does make it very difficult and
it almost makes I think it makes it that much more important for people to
get out into the field, to go out in SkyWatch or do like you
did in the Renders Force, because there's nothing that can speak to this phenomenon
like experience, like a personal experience. No, absolutely, And I often
say that to the skeptical community. I mean, I no longer try to
convince skeptics. That's not really what my game's about anymore. I just want
to get some interesting research and publish it. But when you do go out
in the field and you're doing stuff, if you're actually open minded and a
believer in some of this stuff, I e. Not necessary that you believe
in everything, but that you believe anything's possible, you tend to get more
stuff actually happen to you. If you go out into the field as a
total skeptic, not wishing to believe anything, you'll find that nothing happens.
And this is why the skeptics say, oh, we've been doing this for
years and we've never seen anything, because whatever it is that interacts seems to
only interact if you actually want it to. And we were having an e
strange conversation with a guy called John Mason, who's a photographer over here yesterday,
and we were talking about how people walk into into positions and create their
own reality. And one of the things that I put across to him was
that and I'm sure you'll understand this because you have more of these over there
than we have in the UK. But demonologists they go around hunting for demons
and they always find them. Now, isn't it funny? In all my
years of power or paranormal research, I've never come across one because whenever I
go into what's allegedly called a haunted house, I don't believe in demons and
I don't believe in the devil. The devil was something that was created by
Christianity. It doesn't actually exist, So therefore, how can that appear to
me? It can't because it's not in my reality. So I've never encountered
one, nor will I. Now. The people that seem to see demons
are the ones that believe they exist. Therefore, it's a creation of one's
mind. You're actually creating that reality. Do you see where I'm coming from?
People are actually creating that around them, And that begs the question going
back to Randlesham. Whilst I was channeling this information through, did I actually
create the picture? Did I create the thing that was above my shoulder because
of the information that was coming through the brain. M hm. That is
you know, when you talked about the Randalshimp thing, ed reminded me of
Nancy Talvit current Keys, and I know a lot of people struggle with this.
Robert Vanden broke out in Holland Who and they struggle because his what he
says and what seems to be happening out there is so out there, and
essentially he has instances just like you had in rendalsm Forrest, where when they
take pictures, all of these weird things show up in the pictures, and
he gets these messages from these things, and he seems to be kind of
like possibly this interdimensional kind of channel type of thing. And like you said,
I mean it, that's what you know. This case in what you're
talking about really reminds me of this relationship that's going on with these kind of
invisible or this other side. Well, if you take science again, if
we go back to science and look at some of the scientific thinking on,
for instance, quantum physics, we try and keep this as simple as possible.
But I'm sure you're aware of the shrouding as cat experiment, Alejandro right
with Schroding as cat. For the audience that perhaps haven't heard of it,
it was a hypothetical experiment that didn't take place, but on the hypothetical experiment.
If you flick open the box, the cat was dead and alive at
the same time that was inside the box. Now, the reason for this
is because the atoms from us interact with the quarks, which is something inside
of an atom inside the box. So what the scientist was saying is that
we actually, through the way we think or the way we decide, dictate
whether the cat's going to be alive or dead when the box is open.
And when we open the box, if we think the cat's going to be
dead, it will be. If we think the cat's going to be alive,
it will be. Now, if we go back to my previous statement
about creating our own reality, you can understand how the Schrodinger's cat experiment would
work and would actually now fall in line with some of the thinking in ParaScience.
Yeah, and I love this kind of area because it does seem like
knowing that line of logic just like you know what, the bleep, which
I love, kind of goes over. It's it's the science is almost starting
to point to and I know a lot of the theoretical quantum physicists are kind
of going there where reality is this shared consciousness is shared experience, that we
co create together through our minds. Like you're talking about where this creation that
starts happening, and you know what else is? I don't you just it
just looks just like it says, going down the rabbit hole. I mean
that it's just kind of mind boggling all of that. Have you ever seen
a film called The Secrets? Yes, right now, The Secret I must
have been it. I didn't like the way they did it because it was
made like an American sales promo thing, get the big swimming pool, you
know. But the whole idea was based around this secret thing that we can
actually manifest anything we want through creating around us. And that's the cat kicking
its fall around us. I was gonna say, I think I hear one
of those cats, so they're tambourine going off. But no, I mean
the whole thing is built around us being able to manifest anything that we want.
Now, when I set up Glastonbury Radio here in Glastonbury, I didn't
have any money to set it up. I didn't have the facilities, I
didn't have the studio, I didn't have the equipment, but I just believed
I could do it. And four years on I'm no longer a part of
Glastomy Radio. I left it to do other things, but it's still going
strong. And I think it was something that was manifested from the universe because
there was a need for it to be there. And there's many other things
since that I've done the similar sorts of things where I've manifested things that I've
needed at any particular time to be able to help me to move forward and
do the things I've wanted to do. But you've got to have that total
belief in them to do it. And again, you know, I fall
back on the schroding As cat experiment and say that we somehow or other set
off these quarks which around us create a chain reaction to develop that manifestation that
they talk about in the Secret. So we're all shooting off these quirks and
their quirks are you know. That's why I try to be so positive.
That's why I like the whole good you know, that sending out the good
vibes type of stuff. And I don't even say bad words Russ So Teem's
kind of silly for an adult, but it's around that, you know,
I don't want to send out any bad vibes. I want to send some
good quarks out there to create some cool stuff. Absolutely well. I mean
last year, you know, I went through a bad, bad year last
year for a number of reasons. But you know, I was feeling very
negative for myself last year, and everything around me was pretty much doing the
same thing. It was being negative. So it was like drawing. Like
the moment I drew the line under it and said, no, I'm not
having any more of this. You know, I'm going to be positive.
I'm going to do this, and I'm going to do All of a sudden,
I could fill my life starting to lift again. I could feel things
around me starting to buzz. And it's very much that creation of the positive.
If you go online and say to everybody, I feel low or feel
down, then that's exactly what you're going to get back, you know,
because you're winging amongst other winges. If you like whereas, you want to
be amongst the positives. You want to create the stuff around you. You
want to be positive. You want to throw that out to the universe.
And with all the crap that's going on in places like Egypt and that at
the moment, you know, don't you really want to throw some positivity out
to those people out there. Oh exactly. Yeah, come on, dude,
I'd really you've got to be positive here like the people too true,
too true, it's got to be dumb. Absolutely. So bringing this back
to Rendalsan Forest because I wanted to talk about that experience because that was pretty
extraordinary. Did that give you some ideas around rendal Shem Forest because that those
gentlemen at the basis had there were multiple settings that went on for a period
of time. It wasn't just you know, the nineteen eighties. There was
we actually a reader who wrote us about can we put in there in our
magazine something that he wentnessed there in the seventies a couple of different times when
he was based out there. There's more sightings had to happen. Do you
think that's some kind of area that drives this kind of stuff? Yeah,
well, of course, just off of there, there were underground bunkers on
a small island just off the side of where they are weather lighthouses, and
there were nuclear tests done out there. Now that there is a theory that
a lot of these areas where there's been nuclear testing has created portals which have
opened doorways. There's a lot of areas around the world that have had similar,
you know, strange experiences around areas where nuclear tests have been carried out,
and certainly places where nuclear missiles are stored as well. There seems to
be stuff going on. And we know now that Rendershan was one of those
places that stored nuclear missiles, or at least the base next to it.
So I think, you know, yes, there is a connection there without
any shadow of a doubt, And certainly the sheer number of people that have
had experiences at Rendrush goes way way beyond coincidence and the laws of coincidence,
you know, if you believe in coincidence at all, which you know I
fail to now, but I think you have to sort of say, you
know, feet on the ground, You have to look at things and say,
okay, what else could be causing this? Now. One of the
things that I've also been looking at is cause and effect. You know,
it is the activity that's happening the effect of something else, or is it
the cause of something else? Because let's take an example, if you go
into a room and you photograph orbs. Let's say you photographed the room first
and there's nothing. Then the medium sits down and she channels something and all
of a sudden there's orbs in the room. Is the fact that the medium's
in there and breathing and moving around, moving her arms, creating dust to
come up to then be photographed by the camera. So, for instance,
is it an effect of something else that's happening, or perhaps there's a ghost
that's come into the room, something paranormal is actually happening that stirred up dust
and photograph in the ghost at all. But the dust, on the other
hand, you could say, well, okay, it's directly the effect of
so the medium is called up ghost and your photograph in that. So there's
lots of ways that looking at cause and effect, and I think we've rendushed
them. We have to take the same thing into mind, you know,
of whether it's cause or effect, what's you know, the actually result of
what people are seeing there? Right? Yeah? So, I mean,
I guess getting into the what I don't know. I can't form my question
around for Russiam here, I guess go ahead of the subject, isn't it.
Yeah, Well, I have like three questions I want to ask,
and they come to like this note and then I'm trying to figure out which
one and how and and so it's really because I get really excited about the
whole you know, especially the intention stuff, and because of the science that's
going on there, which is really interesting. We think it is. That's
the whole point, is that, you know, science itself is interesting.
And once we get past the how do you say this lad offending people?
There's been so many paranormal shows on television where UFO investigators basically calling everything they
see UFOs and ghost hunters seeing you know, Boot screened Fred the ectoplasm.
You know, it's given the whole thing a bad name, and I think
we need to take a step back, which is what I said earlier about
the change from paranormal investigator to paras science researcher. It's just to maybe separate
those two things, to give some credibility in new PR to a new name.
And I think that's going to help us this year to be able to
just dissect that a little bit and get a little bit closer to the science
field. Yeah. I always, you know, have felt that, and
it doesn't seem like unfortunately a lot of those guys are interested in like you're
saying I mean I know and you probably know of scientists who are interested in
this field who would be willing to go out with them and to help them
organize their investigations in a way where scientific data can be retrieved. I mean,
for instance, I know that some great paranormal groups have done things such
as having their cameras be able to check the temperature as well as the EMF
so you can see all of that while you're recording or filming, so you
can start to gather some kind of correlation with the phenomena, the visual and
all these other types of energies going on. But you don't see that in
the TV shows unfortunately, And they have the resources and then the ability to
go beyond just like you said, kind of chasing these things in the dark.
Well, unfortunately, see TV likes the what I call, you know,
boost screening type television, the entertainment TV rather than the scientific and you
know you'll see the ghost unters walking around with EMF meters in their hands,
going, oh, look it's going off. Well, as any sensible ghost
hunter would know, if you walk around with an EMF meter, it will
go off. It needs to be placed in one place, set and left
there. You can't walk around with them, so you know, it's a
silly thing to do, but you know that's the way it's portrayed on television,
and it's very much what I call the who you're going to call brigade.
You know, we need to come away from that. And you know
I was there. You know, there was a period when Ghost Detectives was
on air on television where I was doing exactly that. You know, I
was part of a ghost hunting team doing exactly what they're doing. But sort
of ten years on, you know, my research has moved forward with science
and I think, you know, other people should as well. Unfortunately,
you know, they're still ten years back, sitting in dark, damp houses
with a pair of torch waiting for frediectoplasm to appear through the wall for them.
Now, I want to get back to some of this, but to
many other subjects they didn't want to talk about, or such as Gary McKinnon
and more, to get kind of a perspective. I mean, it's something
I wrote recently, a story on McKinnon, and I think that this story,
it's incredible what it's blown up into to where David Cameron comes to the
White House and him and Obama attacking about it even on television. Yeah,
and then we hear nothing for so long afterwards. Let me update you on
the latest from over here, if I may on this first off for your
listeners point of view. You probably already know this. But at UFO Congress,
was it last year or the year before? I think I think it
was last year. I was pulled to one side. No, it was
the year before. I was pulled to one side by someone who's got strong
connections with the Council of Foreign Relations. And I was told that they love
my radio show, they love the leakage, they love the stuff that I'm
doing, But would I dropped the McKinnon stuff because nasty things happen to people
get involved in that sort of thing, And I felt it was almost like
a threat. It was like, you know, stop campaigning for McKinnon or
else. And then of course last year I started having online attacks. We
had you know, there was a cloning of a bank card and all sorts
of bad things happened to Penny and myself last year. It was almost as
if because I'd totally ignored the warning and gone ahead and campaign for McKinnon.
You know, funny things were happening. Now, this could just be a
conspiracy, as people have said. It could be that genuinely someone's out to
shoot me down because of what I've done. But I will always stand by
what I believe. And as you may know, I'm practicing. We're not
practicing learning law over here at the moment and taking a law degree. And
one of the things that was missed in the original court case was that when
Gary McKinnon allegedly hacked into the NASA computers, he was using dial up computers.
He wasn't using a broadband Internet stream or ADSL, which means that the
crime wasn't a cyber crime. It was actually committed in the UK because it
had to go through a British phone line before it could connect to the Internet.
That means under British law, to be tried here, he cannot be
extradited. So I've put this point directly to the Home Office. Now,
whether or not they'll take any notices is another thing. But one thing we
heard was just a few weeks ago the Home Office had suddenly decided to put
this out to public opinion, and they'd put a web page up asking people
to suggest what they thought about the extradition laws and whether they were right or
wrong. Now, obviously there are people that think extradition is great because it
gets rid of our terrorists, It gets rid of people that put bombs in
the middle of buses and underground tube trains and whatever. So unfortunately you're going
to get sweeping statements that are not necessarily going to do Gary any good because
people are going to put their comments in on both sides of the fence.
But from what I can gather, the latest actual release from the Home Office
has requested a second autism check on Gary m but Gary McKinnon saying that they
want proof that he's definitely autistic. Now, if they can prove that and
the he is definitely suffering from as burgess, then that would apparently make some
considerable difference to the outcome of decision of the Home Office when they release it.
Now, I've got an email that came to me tonight which I'd like
to read out if I may. I from Janice, Gary's mother, and
she says, Hi, Ross. First of all, the Christmas card.
Did you know politicians from all parties signed the card for Gary, including Desmond
Swain, who is David Cameron's Parliamentary Private Secretary. Many of the lords and
baronesses also signed the card and this in itself has prompted a debate in the
Lords on Gary's case and they said there is enough medical evidence there that Gary's
extradition should be refused. Now in March it will be ten years since the
alleged crime took place and nine years since Gary was arrested. In March two
thousand and two, the Home Affairs Select Committee also asked me to give evidence,
which I did and shammis from Liberty and Fair Trial abroad and they said
Gary should not be extradited but should be tried here. Keith Vaz, chairman
of the Home Affairs Select Committee, also questioned Teresa May re Gary and the
Home Affairs Select Committee have already said that the government should try Gary in the
UK. We are currently waiting for Teresa's May's decision if Gary can be kept
in the UK, and she has asked Gary to undergo yet another medical assessment,
but we are insisting that only an expert in aspergers should reassess Gary.
It's Gary's birthday on the tenth of February and it's Autism Day in the UK
on the thirteenth of February. All the best janis now I think you know.
Janie has been brilliant. She's literally everything you would want from a mother.
She stood by her son throughout this. She's maintained the story from the
beginning that this is what he's done. He's never said he's not guilty.
All he's ever said is the charges have been trumped up. When he was
originally arrested, they told him he'd get a few hours community service if he
pleaded guilty. So therefore he pleaded guilty. And what he pleaded guilty too
was a very poor attempt to hack into the NASA computer to find out details
of UFOs. Now, during that hack, on a radio interview with me,
he said that he found details of a room where they photoshop out pictures
of UFOs and other phenomena that was later backed up by Edgar Mitchell has said
such a room exists at NASA. He also said that there were details of
twelve non terrestrial officers registered with NASA. Now, I want you to bear
that in mind because when we come on to talk about SERPO in a little
while, I think you might find that number very, very very relevant to
what I'm going to talk about on that subject, So bear that one in
mind. But I think the whole thing with McKinnon is, you know,
he has said he's quite happy to stand trial. He doesn't necessarily want to
walk free, but he wants to stand trial in this country. And my
own thoughts on this aalajandros Alejandro, I keep putting an s on this.
My own thoughts on this are that we've had various courts dramas, if you
like, in the UK where we've are the Americans to provide video evidence like
the friendly fire incident in Iraq, and the Americans have said now they won't
provide it because it's a matter of national security. We then had to force
them through the courts to show the video. Now, if it went to
an American court, they wouldn't have to show that video. Therefore, I
think the same thing applies with Gary. If it goes to a UK court,
embarrassing documentation and information could come to light that the media could then publish,
whereas if it goes to an American court, that could be hidden for
the sake of inverted commas national security. And I think this is the whole
thing on the McKinnon case is they do not want this stuff creeping out into
the mainstream media, and that's why they want him in the US courts.
Interesting. Now, what I think though, even with that perspective, is
that what it's come down to is it really does seem to be a very
tricky situation in a very big ill between the US and the UK. It
seems that really the the British government was deciding that you know, it was
bad for them. They didn't want to There are so many arguments such as
yours, that the crime was not committed you know, in the US,
so that he should be tried there, let alone his aspergers, that it
made more sense that he shouldn't be extradited. However, it seems like they
were kind of trying to well through the wiki leagues we see this, but
also through you know, some of the conversations that have gone on. They've
tried to convince the Americans to stop their extradition. They tried to ask the
Americans, you know, cut it out, let us keep him here,
but that hasn't worked, and so now they're in this state where I think
they're afraid or for some reason. You know, they really don't want to
deny the Americans this extradition now, and that seems to be the struggle,
and it seems like they're kind of starling until they are going to really look
at this extradition treaty which was changed to extra date terrorists, you know,
not to be abused, just like all of the lies they came after nine
to eleven, to be abused in this way. Well, I think that's
the important points because we always used to be proud in Britain of holding a
British passport because it meant wherever you were in the world, the government would
always get you back to England and you felt protected by that passport. You
would go into an embassy, the embassy would fly you home and they would
protect you. These days, it seems like we're quite happy to throw any
of our citizens to the Lions at whatever request. And you know, realistically,
until someone's actually found and proven to be guilty, there should be no
way they're extradited. It's as simple as that, and it's all too easy
at the moment, and I think even the British government now I've seen that
this particular ex addition treaty wasn't worded in such a way as they thought.
It is one sided. If we want an American extradited to hear, we
don't find it quite so easy to get them. It is very very heavily
weighted on one side, and certain other people that should be extradited from the
UK tend not to be. It depends on what the US wants and how
they want it. It seems that they write the rules and change them to
suit. There's something very very wrong with that system, and it begs the
question, what is there to hide On the McKinnon case, Why do they
want a guy who hacked in and he admits himself very badly because he's no
master hacker to the NASA computer, tried to find out some stuff on UFOs,
was only online for several minutes, and apparently now they're saying that he
brought down all communications for the US military and christ As. What are something
that wasn't mentioned until just after the extradition treaty came into place, and he's
now one of the most wanted and the talking about sixty to seventy years in
prison. You know, now you've got to say that there's something being hidden
there. They want this man desperately for something, but how it is.
I just don't see how getting him here would hide anything though. I mean,
Gary has the chance right now and he has for the last year few
years to tell everything he has to tell, which it seems he has.
So I don't see where though, that getting him over here would hide.
Well. Do you think, particularly if he goes into a UK court and
the Americans say he brought down communications of you know, all of the military
aircraft and ships, they would have to prove he did. Now in a
British court, proof is ninety nine percent in a criminal court, nothing less.
In an American court, they could say, no, this is a
matter of national security, we can't provide this evidence in court, and the
court case could go along without the evidence actually being shown. Now, I
think that there's documents that he accessed. Possibly he doesn't even know quite what
he's accessed yet, because when I interviewed him when he was talking about twelve
non terrestrial officers, he didn't seem to have any clue as to what they
were. It was just twelve non terrestrial officers. So I think perhaps he
stumbled on stuff and opened a wormhole there that he himself doesn't even know what
he's done, and he's tapped into something that's way, way beyond what even
he knows and understands. But all I can say is when I did the
program on Serpo, on my radio show, I suddenly had three hundred and
twenty one I think it was US government and US military hits to my server
direct visits. No, I've never had that in a radio show in the
five years I was doing it. So why were they tuning in for that
one? You know there's something around that particular mission that's extremely secretive and they
do not want out there. I would think then that if that's all the
case, the best thing, and we'll probably if if that is the case,
this is what we'll see them do. The best thing for them to
do is to let it go. Let Gary McKinnon be tried in the UK
for UK crimes, which originally and I know there's been I saw there was
discussion about this where they would try him under their laws regarding hacking, which
he wouldn't get very much time for. But that's what they would have to
do because in that case, the America is out of the equation. They
don't have to really provide any information to British courts and then the British handled
it on their own side. I wonder if that's where this will go to
then I think it probably will. I think eventually, you know, it's
got to be the landmark case, if you like, because there's so much
support over here for McKinnon now, and it's not just in the UK.
You know, there's even American support for McKinnon. There's worldwide supports. The
whole Wiki leaks thing, which is still breaking wide open at the moment,
is proving yet again that there's some form of conspiracy going on. Assalds is
being charged with a sexual crime in Sweden which was never mentioned until all of
a sudden it's this. You know, a rest came up in England for
the leak stuff. Now it's a case of well, we can't get people
out of England very easy through extradition, but if we can get him extra
dieded to Sweden, we can get him back to America where we want him.
You know. So it's loopholes all over the place just trying to swing
the big acts all the time, and I think the system is failing around
them. I think, you know, the American governments are not now as
powerful as they were, and they're realizing it. I think, you know,
some of the smaller countries are standing up and saying enough is enough.
And I've got to say personally, as an American that I appreciate that.
I think I was appalled by what happened after nine to eleven. We received
all of this support from around the world. People were so supportive of America
and they felt bad for what happened, and in the period of a few
months, the Bush regime was able to turn that around into the world hating
us because we just use that as an excuse to say, we don't want
to hear what any of you have to say. We don't care about our
agreements with the UN, we don't care about any agreements. We're going to
do what we want. And it would be one thing if all they stuck
to was terrorism, But it wasn't there abusing these systems that such as in
this case, to do whatever the heck they want and to ignore these laws
and treaties and agreements that have been made across the world. And so it's
nice to see that now it's backfiring absolutely. And another thing that I was
told by someone in a position of power in America when it was in America
last time at UFO Congress last year, was that there is a person who's
employed now full time for the American governments whose job is to do nothing other
than serve the conspiracy forums and if any of the conspiracy theorists get too close
to the truth, to divert it by way of starting a new conspiracy theory
that will take the heat off it and push it elsewhere. So we've got
an awful lot of disinformation and hoaxes circulating on the Internet purely because people are
starting them. And a prime example of prime example of this I wrote to
you about earlier. I don't know if you saw the note, but SETI
the Search for Extra Treasure and Intelligence. There was a room a going around
just before Christmas that there were three big what they called motherships which SETI had
seen and located on the edge of our universe, that had shown through communication
hostile intent and were due to arrive here of all dates, December twenty twelve.
And of course everybody was just copying and pasting this information on Facebook and
on Twitter and various other conspiracy forums around the net so before you know where
you are, everybody around the world's scared shit list by this thing, you
know. And all I did was I went on to the SETI site to
a book, which I would have thought would be the first thing everyone would
have done. And there's a disclaimer on this saying it's a hoax. The
whole thing is a total hoax. So why have so many people just taken
this conspiracy at face value and viral posted it everywhere around the Internet without first
checking it out at the home website of SETI. See now, it's how
easy it is to start a conspiracy, right And this brings me to this
is a good way segue to SIRPO, because that's exactly what it seems that
Richard Dotey's job was with the Air Force as Air Force Intelligence. We've had
Linda Howan and Dolan where we've talked about Dody before, and Doty seems to
be the genesis of the SURPO case. So is CURPO another one of these
disinformation confusion tactics we it could be, you see, I'm mixed on the
jury is still out on Surpo. But the more I hear about it,
the more I get confused by it. I heard about it first off,
when Bill Ryan from the Project Camelot came on my show and talked about it.
Now, we all know that Project Camelot can come up with some great
stories, but don't always have all of the information directly in place. And
that's nothing against you know, the people that run it. They do a
good job investigating, but every now and again you find cracks in the woodwork.
Now, when they first board it on, as I say, I
got an amazing number of hits from US government and US military service, which
I found unusual. But I didn't think too much more about it at the
time until Gary said about twelve non terrestrial officers. Now, when I was
at UFO Congress, I was talking to Don Ware and Don said to me,
oh, yeah, surpo is really it took place. He said,
eight of twelve people went, eight, two died there, two returned.
Now, hold on, I'll get it's two twelve went, two stayed there,
to eight died and to eight return and two died. I think that's
right. But he said that he'd met one of the two personally, so
or one of the eight and had a conversation with them. Now, he
also mentioned that the spielberg film Closing Counters of the Third Kind was very much
based on Surpo. And if you actually asks Spielberg directly the question, he
won't answer it. He won't say no, he won't answer it. But
the funniest thing for me was when I actually spoke to Edgar Mitchell, who
was the six man to walk on the Moon. I said, what do
you know about Project Surpo? Now, as you know, Mitchell is a
very intelligent man, and he's worked for NASA for a very very long time.
And Mitchell said to me, he took a deep breath and said,
I cannot say I'm aware of Surpo. I cannot say it didn't happen,
which is not good grammar for a man that's that intelligent, which makes you
think he was stuttering a little bit. He didn't like the question. You
know, I'm very much one for body language and the way that people answer
questions as to whether or not they're covering anything. Now, if I can
just take the listeners through a few points here, Project Surpo was also known
Crystal Night. It was written off as a total hoax from the above top
secret forum. Now I just go through some details here. It's supposed to
be an alien exchange program which took place between the USA and the planet Surpo
of the Zeta Recular System between nineteen sixty five and nineteen seventy eight. It
says twelve US personnel went, eight return, two died, and two remained
on Surpo. Remember that number again, twelve. The story was broken by
Bill Ryan at Project Camelot, and I had him on the show to talk
about it. Now. When we were discussing it, we went through various
different things, and as I say, we had these hits from the governments
and military servers, and I just had that gut feeling that you get sometimes
that something about this just sticks. I couldn't just put it down to being
a hoax. There was something else to it, and it made me want
to keep digging. Anyway. I went on to Above TopSecret dot Com checked
out what they've got to say, and it said it was a hoax.
And there was an interest in a statement that I found on an other related
forum, and it says, and I'll just quickly read it out for you,
it says that it seems that the Project Surpo has been exposed as a
hoax created by McLean VA attorneys with possible government connections in concert with the three
Amigos of above top secret dot Com, which also appears based on the material
collected to be QUE twelve pro. This one is really strange and makes a
good example of what is being done to take over the Internet and the guys
of just a few normal guys trying to make a buck. Now that's taken
from the Bault Forum ba U t FO rum dot com. Then it goes
on to say it hold on, we get to the next page here on
my notes about these twelve non terrestrial officers. Now, that's exactly the number
that's Gary came up with when he hacked into this computer. There were twelve
non terrestrial officers. Now, if you break that down, non terrestrial is
non earth, which means that NASA has twelve employees that are off planet.
Look at the number of people we've sent to the Moon, or the number
of people that we've sent up in the shuttle or whatever. It's either way
below a way over twelve. Never the number twelve. So I thought that
was strange, twelve non terrestrial officers. And then all of a sudden,
somebody sent me through some stuff on Johnson Atole, which is an island in
the North Pacific Ocean and Johnsonnatole apparently had a meeting recently where by the airspace
was completely tied solid, no one was allowed within miles of it, and
apparently there was a major UFO sighting scene landing on this island. Now,
this was documented on three or four different forums, and then everything on it
was just wiped. It was like everything that had been put up had gone,
all the forum pieces had gone. Everything. Now, I've done some
research on the island and if you actually put Johnston Atoll into Google Earth,
nothing comes up. You have to physically put in the coordinates of the island
itself because nothing shows this place is so secret, it just doesn't come up
on any of the maps anywhere. So the whole thing, I mean that
there's an there's a what would you say, an air of mysticism about it.
I wouldn't say yes it's a definite hoax or yes it's a definite thing
that took place. All I would say is with the information in front of
me, I certainly couldn't discount it at the moment, and I think the
jury has to remain out on it. I think Project Serpo may have been
written off as a hoax by the government and by the people playing with the
government to take people away from the sense. In other words, that disinformation
officer was there to close that one down as quickly as he could. Yeah,
there's a lot of research that actually points to Dodie being a large part
of the supoken information coming out outwardly, definitely, and some that some of
the un normal sources tay back to him. But like you said, and
like historically, I think in the disinformation he has released, there has to
be or at least you always want to put criminels of truth throughout the disinformation.
And you know, some people suggest I've heard this idea that you know,
like you said, the Spielberg movie is very similar to the Cerbo idea
where at the end there's this exchange where the people go on the craft.
But some people think, well, that's similar to Holloman and then could Serbo
since it came after the close encounters. Well, a lot a lot of
people believe that there was a connection between the Holoman incident and the Roosevelt meetings
and this sort of thing. This was all a pre preparation for what happened
in the sixties. With SOPO, So you know, it could be all
interconnected. I don't know, and certainly I would, you know, think
if anything like this was happening, we were talking about portals or black holes
or whatever. Again, I don't see, you know, us having ability
as of yet to travel that far planet's planet. So if that technology is
there, it's certainly not been shared with us, have given to us as
far as we know, you know, But then we don't know, do
we. This is half the problem with it. We don't know what's been
going on at Area fifty one or Johnsonattole or any of the other secret bases.
For all we know, we might have like speed stuff they werelready Yeah,
and you know, speaking of that, Michael Schratt did a great article
in our upcoming magazine about Ben Rich where he did some research and ben Rich
being in charge of Skunkworks, who made plenty of comments things like we have
the even Spielberg related, we have the ability to take et home, alluding
to some incredible technology. He said that is beyond anybody's imagination that they were
developing in Skunkworks, so that technology could exist. But unfortunately, there was
a letter I saw from someone who was a departing MD of the Skunk Works.
Now, I don't know if we're talking about the same one here,
but in it he said everything seen from Star Trek has already been developed here
on this facility, exactly the same guy. Yeah, So he had a
lot of quotes like that and very well interesting because you know, I believe
that a lot of this stuff is out there and it is it is ready.
One guy who you may want to talk to on your show at some
point is well Thornhill. He's an Australian scientist. I had him on my
program a little while ago and the video is still up on our YouTube site.
He's actually been working on using gravity in our own electric field, the
electric universe, to actually power faster than speed light and he's just won an
award in Australia from the Scientist Guild out there for his work. He believes
it's there and it's ready now we could use it. It's just that what
technology is there, for some reason, they're either covering up and won't use
or they're already using it but they just don't want people to know about.
Very very interesting guest, had a lot of good stuff to say. Yeah,
it sounds interesting. It's all there. It's already around us, the
electric universe, the electromagnetic magnetic stuff we were talking about earlier, from the
Earth self gravity, which is an electromagnetic force. You know, it's all
there. We've already got everything we need to do away with rocket fuel.
You know, we can actually travel on those things alone. Well, we're
starting to run out of time, and before we do, I want to
talk about what you're up to now, because you have a new website that
you're setting up. But Truthbox dot tv and that's it, yeah, and
truthbox dot co dot uk. They're on different links at the moment. They
will all come together at the moment. Truthbox dot co dot uk has got
some test streams running on it through the day which are archive shows of now
that's weird. Whilst we make sure everything's up and working. Truthbox dot tv
will be the TV format that will be the site for the TV when that
launches, because we're going to be doing a show with myself and a female
presenter every week, doing same sort of stuff really but just more sort of
the truth and updated and you know, trying to break down some of the
barriers. And then there's Ross hemsworth dot Com, which tells you a little
bit more about me and some of the stuff I'm doing personally, and that's
going to be more updated over the coming weeks with some of the research I'm
working on now. So you're kind of kind of reinventing yourself and resetting and
starting a new Yeah. Yeah, I think that's about it. On top
of it, I'm trying to study this law degree as well, so I
think, yeah, very busy. So there's a lot of pay good out
in the UK. Yeah, not too bad if you get into the right
section. But the trouble is, I'll be sixty by the time i'm qualified.
It's a six year recourse, so it's part time, so I'm doing
it around other things, so by the time I get there, you know,
it's be too old to do it. But yeah, it pays well.
Well, it's good that you keep your mind working because sometimes people kind
of decide to kind of let it go and not use their their mind and
just kind of retire and quit. But you're out there thinking and doing and
searching for the truth and getting the info out there. Well, I think
that's the thing. And if people see that, you know you're an intelligent
person that you're actually doing stuff like that, they tend to take you more
seriously as well. And also, you know that there's so much rubbish going
on in this country with our government right now. It would be good to
actually have the qualification behind me to actually go and take the government to court
when they get it wrong, actually challenge some of the stupid, bloody rules
we have in this country, some of the stupid laws that they bring in,
and they slide legislation under us in what they call amendments to statute,
which are rather than making rules the way they're supposed to, they bring them
in under the table so we don't know they're there, and then we just
suddenly have to abide by them, and that has to stop right Well,
thank you so much for being on the show. We're out of time.
That time flew by, as it usually does, especially with our great guests,
but thank you so much for coming on the air and staying up for
us at RAS. No problem at all. Is always good talking to you,
and good luck with UFO Congress this year. I'm really sorry that I'm
not going to be able to get out to it. Yeah, we're going
to miss you. Guys, we really had hope. But hopefully we'll be
there next year. Yep, for sure. Hopefully we can make that happen.
Then you you too, Thank you very much, so we are almost
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talking to him. He was a sergeant major who worked at NATO and saw
a top secret document called the Assessment regarding UFOs. What did he see?
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