WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.879 --> 00:00:10.240 Welcome to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro Roja. Open Minds Radio is a UFO 2 00:00:10.560 --> 00:00:16.039 news authority presenting evidence and the latest news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your 3 00:00:16.079 --> 00:00:24.519 host, Alejandro Roja. Thank you, mister Dean. Actually, Bob Dean, 4 00:00:24.600 --> 00:00:28.399 the guy who does that intro for us, is going to be our 5 00:00:28.399 --> 00:00:34.200 guest next week. Hello, this is Alejandro Rojas with Open Minds Radio, 6 00:00:34.719 --> 00:00:42.799 your UFO news authority. Also exciting is that this week's guest is I didn't 7 00:00:42.840 --> 00:00:45.759 lie to you last week. It's Ross Hemsworth. I wasn't sure if we 8 00:00:45.799 --> 00:00:50.200 could get him when we were doing the show, but luckily we did and 9 00:00:50.240 --> 00:00:57.920 that is exciting because Ross is a TV and radio presenter. He's currently studying 10 00:00:58.000 --> 00:01:02.000 law in the UK, which is great. A personal friend we find out 11 00:01:02.039 --> 00:01:06.920 today of Janice. I can't remember her last name, but she is the 12 00:01:06.959 --> 00:01:11.120 mother of Gary McKinnon. So he called her today to get an update and 13 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:15.799 he'll be sharing that with us. That's really cool. He's also worked on 14 00:01:15.879 --> 00:01:23.799 paranormal shows for ITV that's the international television station and BBC world Wide. Pretty 15 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:27.560 cool. His show is called Now That's Weird, although I think that's on 16 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:32.480 hiatus right now, but he's starting that up again. His new website is 17 00:01:32.560 --> 00:01:38.000 TRUTHBOXI think dot com, dot UK, dot com, dot uk dot tv. 18 00:01:38.519 --> 00:01:42.200 He copied that's truthbox dot tv. So we'll talk to him more about 19 00:01:42.239 --> 00:01:47.239 that. I wrote here that he lives in Crop Circle, the Crop Circle 20 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:52.200 hot spot of Glastonbury, but he informed me that actually the Crop Circles are 21 00:01:52.200 --> 00:01:56.760 not in Glastonbury. They're nearby, but a little further away. He has 22 00:01:56.840 --> 00:02:01.000 lots of exciting stuff out there in Glastonbury. He is an advisor for the 23 00:02:01.040 --> 00:02:06.480 International UFO Congress, which is coming up, and so we'll be talking all 24 00:02:06.599 --> 00:02:10.360 about this, and he wants to talk about Surpo. I told him I 25 00:02:10.400 --> 00:02:15.840 am a Surpo skeptic, and he said, well, he has some information 26 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:20.280 that may change my mind. So we will talk with Ross. He's a 27 00:02:20.400 --> 00:02:23.560 very cool guy. I love this guy. Some of you may know him 28 00:02:23.840 --> 00:02:27.800 from the interview we did with him at the International UFO Congress last year, 29 00:02:28.280 --> 00:02:31.000 one of the videos that we have up on the website. It was a 30 00:02:31.080 --> 00:02:35.199 lot of fun. He's a lot of fun and this show is going to 31 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:40.520 be a lot of fun. Speaking of the International UFO Congress, A couple 32 00:02:40.879 --> 00:02:46.159 things first, everything is practically almost sold out. If you want to get 33 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:51.439 to the cocktail Meet, the Speaker deal on Wednesday, or you want to 34 00:02:51.479 --> 00:02:55.960 get to the banquet and the EBE Awards on Saturday, you better book that 35 00:02:57.439 --> 00:03:04.039 asap because we are almost sold out of everything. It's great. The response 36 00:03:04.080 --> 00:03:07.439 has been absolutely amazing, and it looks like this may be one of, 37 00:03:07.599 --> 00:03:15.319 if not the biggest international UFO Congress in the history of human existence. That 38 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:22.479 is something else, I'll tell you what. Another cool thing is that we're 39 00:03:22.520 --> 00:03:25.800 going to have a new prize at one of our door prizes. We're still 40 00:03:25.840 --> 00:03:30.639 figuring out how we're going to give this away or if we are. Maureen 41 00:03:30.800 --> 00:03:32.879 is really tempted just to not give it to anybody and take it herself, 42 00:03:32.960 --> 00:03:37.240 but we won't let that happen. It'll be a prize for one of our 43 00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:44.080 guests, and that is a fourteenth day all inclusive UFO tour provided by Top 44 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:47.240 Secret Tours. This is pretty cool. They're going to take you to Los 45 00:03:47.319 --> 00:03:53.960 Alamos and the White Sand, the trim Trinity Atomic Test Site, to Roswell, 46 00:03:53.439 --> 00:04:00.400 to Arizona, the meteor creator Sedona Grand Canyon. They should put the 47 00:04:00.879 --> 00:04:04.639 Open Mind's offices because that's one of the biggest UFO hotspots, but only for 48 00:04:04.719 --> 00:04:09.479 the freebee guys, so and much much more. They're going to take you 49 00:04:09.520 --> 00:04:15.560 all over. You're probably going to see UFOs, hopefully meet extraterrestrials. They 50 00:04:15.599 --> 00:04:19.000 don't guarantee this, but with all of these incredible places they are going, 51 00:04:19.399 --> 00:04:23.759 the odds are good. And in fact, you can go to our website 52 00:04:23.800 --> 00:04:27.199 and they're one of our advertisers. You can click on the link if you're 53 00:04:27.279 --> 00:04:29.480 like, hey man, I don't want to wait to see if I'm gonna 54 00:04:29.519 --> 00:04:31.920 win. I want to go on a tour right now. It's worth like 55 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:36.199 three thousand dollars, probably more, but it's a lot of fun. So 56 00:04:36.240 --> 00:04:42.160 go check that out or come to the conference and hopefully win your chance to 57 00:04:42.240 --> 00:04:46.560 do this cool thing. So there are some updates, there are some news. 58 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:48.959 But oh and I did want to say one of the things. Well, 59 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:53.160 I'll mention that later one of the stories we have up. So hang 60 00:04:53.279 --> 00:04:56.560 type people, I'll have some more news coming up on some of the cool 61 00:04:56.600 --> 00:05:00.879 stuff on our website. But what we want to tell talk about now, 62 00:05:01.279 --> 00:05:04.800 what we want to do is just one of the most exciting parts of our 63 00:05:04.839 --> 00:05:09.920 show, and that is to bring on our news correspondent who will tell us 64 00:05:09.959 --> 00:05:15.959 about the latest UFO headlines throughout the world. And there's some good ones going 65 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:21.439 on, Ladies and gentlemen, I introduce to you Jason McClellan. Hello, 66 00:05:23.040 --> 00:05:28.519 Hello, well a hostle and greetings everyone. This is your Open Minds News 67 00:05:28.519 --> 00:05:33.720 Brief for Monday, January thirty, first, twenty eleven. An astronomer believes 68 00:05:33.879 --> 00:05:39.759 that the search for extraterrestrial life is hopeless. Can you believe this guy? 69 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:45.879 According to the Daily Telegraph, Howard Smith, a senior astrophysicist at Harvard University, 70 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:49.800 says he believes humans are alone in the universe. His belief is based 71 00:05:49.839 --> 00:05:55.120 on the analysis of five hundred discovered planets that appear to be too hostile to 72 00:05:55.120 --> 00:05:59.720 support life, at least as we currently understand life. Smith is likely not 73 00:05:59.759 --> 00:06:02.800 a lot in his belief, but other scientists continue to search for life elsewhere 74 00:06:02.800 --> 00:06:06.199 in the universe. It was less than two months ago and NASA announced the 75 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:12.879 discovery of a bacteria capable of surviving in an arsenic heavy environment by modifying itself. 76 00:06:13.519 --> 00:06:17.319 The geo microbiologists who led the study of this bacteria explained that the discovery 77 00:06:17.399 --> 00:06:20.800 opened the doors for us to think about biology in ways we have never thought. 78 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:26.279 So Smith might be over hasty and his dismissal of those five hundred planets 79 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:30.879 with environments hostile to life as we know it. He's checked over five hundred 80 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:36.560 planets, so Jason, he knows. I think his checking could be better 81 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:43.319 described as a brushing over. Yeah what yeah, we I mean of those 82 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:46.120 five hundred planets, he doesn't know what may or may not exist in the 83 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:49.759 most Well, that's exactly right, I mean, right now, you look 84 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:55.079 for what you understand. You know, we look for us, We look 85 00:06:55.160 --> 00:07:00.360 for places where we could survive Disneyland. Well I doubt that's there. That'd 86 00:07:00.399 --> 00:07:04.399 be awesome. But you know, with hell about the universe is and all 87 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:10.240 of these different crazy planets we keep finding. Who knows what life would be 88 00:07:10.360 --> 00:07:13.439 like on those planets? Yep, who knows? And there's you know, 89 00:07:13.480 --> 00:07:17.319 he's checked five hundred planets, but there's five hundred and you can write this 90 00:07:17.439 --> 00:07:24.279 down. This is the the latest figure. Five hundred kajillion planets out there. 91 00:07:25.079 --> 00:07:27.920 So he's only checked like one out of a kajillion. And you know 92 00:07:27.920 --> 00:07:32.000 how many zeros are after the one in a kajillion? As many as you're 93 00:07:32.040 --> 00:07:34.959 making up in your mind right now. Too many to count, Jason, 94 00:07:35.079 --> 00:07:41.879 that's how many extraordinary just as a number of kajillion boggles my mind? Why 95 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:45.759 don't you write that down for me? Okay, start writing it down. 96 00:07:45.959 --> 00:07:48.439 You're right though, Yeah, I mean there's so many planets. Come on, 97 00:07:48.560 --> 00:07:51.240 five hundred, buddy, you got a lot more checking to good do, 98 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:56.240 good good buddy, And we're looking for things we don't know about, 99 00:07:56.319 --> 00:08:00.680 so it's hard to just declare something like that, that ego. It's kind 100 00:08:00.680 --> 00:08:03.639 of funny. Yeah. I wonder if there were some SETI people, some 101 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:07.160 students who were settying to become astrobiologists, and they're like, oh man, 102 00:08:09.519 --> 00:08:13.360 this is a bummer. I'm gonna have to change my major to psychology. 103 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:18.160 Letting people down. Yep, speaking of SETI. SETI, the search for 104 00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:24.920 Extraterrestrial intelligence has gained an ally in the search for extraterrestrial life the University of 105 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:28.879 Southern California. A statement was released last Wednesday announcing the agreement between the two 106 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:35.720 institutions to conduct joint research and education programs. USC's leading astronomy program will greatly 107 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:41.360 assist SETI in their hunt for extraterrestrial life, While USC's students and faculty will 108 00:08:41.360 --> 00:08:48.759 benefit from gaining access to SETI facilities like their radio telescopes. SETI also collaborates 109 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:54.440 with UC Berkeley. Yep, so they can listen to nothing. Okay, 110 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:56.759 I'll sit there and listen to that all day. I'll tell you what, 111 00:08:56.960 --> 00:09:01.679 USC or any other university or car out there partner up with us, And 112 00:09:01.720 --> 00:09:05.840 you know that's great, you're partnering up with SETI. But partner up with 113 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:09.600 us, we're going to be able to take you into areas of science that 114 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:16.720 are much more interesting than listening to nothing, and which are some very valid 115 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:18.960 areas, some of the stuff that has not been looked at. And there 116 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:22.440 are very many scientists we write about. We could really open the mindset in 117 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:28.679 a more exciting way of these kids, of these students than boring SETI. 118 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:33.080 You know, this partnership with the SETI and USC, I bet there are 119 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:37.840 some conspiracy theorists out there having a field day with this. Get this. 120 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:46.600 So USC has a fantastic film program which is back financially, very heavily financially 121 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:50.759 by Steven Spielberg and George Lucas. Hmmm, dunt, dun, dun. 122 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:56.759 Yeah, And people have their their ideas about Lucas and Spielberg and what they 123 00:09:56.759 --> 00:10:05.000 may or may not know interesting, very interesting, he to some. Some 124 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:11.519 US scientists claim that current attempts at communicating with extraterrestrial life are either disorganized or 125 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:16.879 too cryptic for aliens to decode. This claim is made by postgraduate astrophysicists in 126 00:10:16.039 --> 00:10:22.679 Space Policy and International Interdisciplinary Journal, where the suggestion is made to develop a 127 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:31.519 protocol for sending messages to extraterrestrials establis Establishing an extraterrestrial communication protocol would improve the 128 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:35.840 likelihood of messages being understood by alien life forms. The authors suggest that such 129 00:10:35.879 --> 00:10:41.519 a protocol should include constraints and guidelines for signal encoding, message length, and 130 00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:48.840 information content. Additionally, they say a transmission strategy should be clearly laid out 131 00:10:48.879 --> 00:10:54.279 in this protocol, and they suggest a simple physical or mathematical language with the 132 00:10:54.360 --> 00:10:58.759 signal repeated regularly to avoid being overlooked as noise. That's interesting, because I 133 00:10:58.799 --> 00:11:05.799 mean, all we talk about now is listening for messages from Lord knows where. 134 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:11.000 But maybe it'd be a good idea to start sending some out in a 135 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:15.759 more regular type of way. But of course some people like Stephen Hawkins will 136 00:11:15.799 --> 00:11:18.480 be afraid that the aliens will then find us and destroy us or eat us. 137 00:11:18.840 --> 00:11:24.360 That's what he said. But it is an interesting thought, you know 138 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:30.159 right now that if they're listening, but think about sending out messages and if 139 00:11:30.159 --> 00:11:35.279 we just start at random sending out whatever we want, who knows what that 140 00:11:35.320 --> 00:11:39.879 could do? Yeah? And how how much power? According to Setting and 141 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:45.279 those guys, it takes a lot of energy to send signals very far. 142 00:11:46.480 --> 00:11:50.759 So do we even have the capability to do that at this point? And 143 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:52.200 again it's you know, at this point, at this stage in the game, 144 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:56.320 it's a it's all guesses. Yeah, you know, we don't know 145 00:11:56.360 --> 00:12:03.200 what technology other civilizations might have. M we don't know if they're equipped to 146 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:07.159 receive our the types of signals we're sending, where they even care to listen 147 00:12:07.759 --> 00:12:11.399 well, and there are some people probably catching at their radios right now, 148 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:15.600 because of course, this is all under the assumption that no contact has been 149 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:20.759 made, right, not just hanging out right not very far from us right 150 00:12:20.759 --> 00:12:24.559 now, which that's a very good point. Most likely the issue. It 151 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:28.720 is not uncommon for the appearance of disc shaped clouds known as lenticular clouds to 152 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:35.519 result in UFO reports. The unusual appearance of these clouds leads some to conclude 153 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:39.840 that what they are seeing is a cloaked UFO. Another type of cloud related 154 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:43.879 phenomenon that unbelieve results from cloak UFOs is known as a whole punch cloud. 155 00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:48.159 The October two thousand and nine occurrents of a whole punch cloud was videotaped in 156 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:52.519 Moscow and picked up by media sources around the globe. But a new story 157 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:58.200 study led by Andrew Haymsfield of the National Center of Atmospheric Research claims to have 158 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:03.440 found an explanation for the strange phenomena. Again, this is just his theory. 159 00:13:05.200 --> 00:13:09.559 This research determined that whole bunch of clouds are likely caused by airplanes taking 160 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:15.360 off or landing. According to him, any airplanes, whether jet or propeller, 161 00:13:15.600 --> 00:13:18.279 can make these things. The results of the study appeared in the bulletin 162 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:28.000 of the American Meteorological Society, and there have been various theories with these clouds 163 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:31.720 just in the past year. Because we saw a lot of clouds in twenty 164 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:33.799 ten. At the end of two thousand and nine, a lot of these 165 00:13:33.799 --> 00:13:41.919 strange either circle clouds or absence of cloud in a hole pattern. I wonder 166 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:45.480 if that's related though, to more people having the phone to be able to 167 00:13:45.519 --> 00:13:48.559 take pictures and videos of these. I think that's a big part of it. 168 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:52.679 Yeah, because and really, quite frankly, I'm not so interested in 169 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:58.519 the strange cloud phenomena because there's so many. You know, of course, 170 00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:01.279 there's a lot of sightings where we talk about and they turn out to be 171 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:03.360 balloons and stuff. But there's a lot of great sightings out there, just 172 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:11.759 a couple this week, you know, and the one whole punched in a 173 00:14:11.879 --> 00:14:16.200 cloud that is the most exciting of all time that I know of. Of 174 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:22.039 course, it's the Chicago hair siding where this UFO went through the cloud, 175 00:14:22.120 --> 00:14:26.039 so you know, they know what went through the clouds. There a lot 176 00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:30.480 of people, including pilots and everything, saw this disc shaped UFO punch through 177 00:14:30.480 --> 00:14:33.159 the cloud. So you know, big deal about these more anomalous the ones. 178 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:37.120 What about these ones where people witness this stuff? Right, and they 179 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:43.039 call that I think the FA or yeah, the FA called that weird some 180 00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:48.240 kind of weather anomaly, But some kind of flying metallic disc is a weather 181 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:54.399 anomaly. I don't think so. Weather seems to be for some reason, 182 00:14:54.440 --> 00:15:00.519 a very easy way to explain something away and people are expected did the buy 183 00:15:00.559 --> 00:15:03.600 into it? And they usually do. Yeah. Media often yeah, we'll 184 00:15:03.639 --> 00:15:11.240 say oh, okay, great, Yep, it's a shame tragic. We 185 00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:16.279 try to fix that in our own little way. Yeah, and we're doing 186 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:18.480 a good job, decent. I'll patch you on the back to you, 187 00:15:18.559 --> 00:15:24.519 my friends. A UFO organization in South Africa is calling for the government to 188 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:30.200 release secret UFO files. This organization, known as the South Africa's UFO Resource, 189 00:15:30.639 --> 00:15:35.600 urges people to take UFO sighting seriously. The organization takes sighting reports, 190 00:15:35.799 --> 00:15:39.320 but claims that only one out of ten sightings are reported. The organization's founder 191 00:15:39.399 --> 00:15:43.879 says this is because media around the world has not played a positive role in 192 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:48.799 UFO reports and there is the ridicule factor. People are afraid of the response 193 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:54.759 they would get. Yeah. I love these kind of stories because I love 194 00:15:56.759 --> 00:16:03.960 seeing other countries and thinking to know a little bit about the UFO civilian UFO 195 00:16:03.039 --> 00:16:07.919 research going on in these other countries and to see that it exists. And 196 00:16:07.960 --> 00:16:12.720 it's exciting because especially now, if we can try to hopefully build a network 197 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:17.799 with some of these people, I mean Skype we're gonna be talking to Ross 198 00:16:17.919 --> 00:16:22.799 Hemp Squarest all the way in the UK. That's a long ways away. 199 00:16:22.279 --> 00:16:26.600 You know, we're gonna be talking back at light speed for free over Skype. 200 00:16:26.679 --> 00:16:30.600 I mean, there's the ability to be able to talk to people around 201 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:34.559 the world is incredible right now. And there's never been that whole worldwide network. 202 00:16:36.519 --> 00:16:42.960 And it's our duty as they holders of the International UFO Congress to create 203 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:48.799 these ties and get this rolling. Will you help me in my task to 204 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:52.879 do that, Jason? Why don't you your ties already exist? Alejandro? 205 00:16:52.279 --> 00:16:56.720 We need more, more more. We need South Africa, we need Korea, 206 00:16:57.080 --> 00:17:02.039 we need Russia, we need to cover the world. Well, you 207 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:03.920 did a good job last week of forming bonds with Korea. Thank you. 208 00:17:04.359 --> 00:17:07.160 Yes, yeah, I did get a hold of that, and that's exciting 209 00:17:07.200 --> 00:17:11.640 because hopefully he sent some pictures to us. There's a gentleman. What did 210 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:15.200 we talked about that story last week? I think, huh. I believe 211 00:17:15.240 --> 00:17:21.200 we did about the Korean researcher who was featured in the Korean Times, a 212 00:17:21.319 --> 00:17:26.359 UFO researcher, and he examined a lot of UFO photos and videos, and 213 00:17:26.440 --> 00:17:29.319 we got a hold of him and he sent us some pictures and some information, 214 00:17:29.480 --> 00:17:33.640 so we'll put that up on the website real soon here and yeah, 215 00:17:33.720 --> 00:17:37.079 hopefully we can talk to that guy some more. And that's really exciting that 216 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:41.000 he actually got back to us. Yeah, really cool. But you know 217 00:17:41.079 --> 00:17:44.799 this guy, you're right, this story is like this that it's very exciting 218 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:48.319 to see that. You know, all around the world and we know this, 219 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:52.480 but it just helps seeing it week after week, finding out about these 220 00:17:52.519 --> 00:17:59.480 different areas of the world where there are people really trying to get more information 221 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:03.759 and get information out to people and put pressure on governments to release information. 222 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:11.000 South Africa, Korea, get the network going. Yeah, pretty cool way 223 00:18:11.039 --> 00:18:15.440 to go, buddy. We've mentioned Bigelow Aerospace many times on the show before. 224 00:18:17.319 --> 00:18:21.240 This is the company led by hotel tycoon Robert Bigelow that is working to 225 00:18:21.279 --> 00:18:25.880 put a hotel in space. The company is already tested their inflatable hotel modules 226 00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:30.720 in low Earth orbit. According to Popular Science, NASA is in talks with 227 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:34.759 Bigelow Aerospace to acquire one of its expandable modules for installation on the International Space 228 00:18:34.799 --> 00:18:41.319 Station. NASA is looking for an inexpensive and proven way to expand the usable 229 00:18:41.359 --> 00:18:45.880 space aboard the ISS and a big expandable module might be just what they are 230 00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:52.759 looking for. Yeah, you know, people, I gotta what I love 231 00:18:52.799 --> 00:18:57.400 about the Bigelow stories is how well Bigelow Aerospace is doing that. They're really 232 00:18:57.440 --> 00:19:03.799 becoming a part of the the space community and partnering up with NASA. And 233 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:10.880 just because Robert Bigelow is the guy schmoozing making these connections and all over the 234 00:19:10.880 --> 00:19:15.960 place, and he is someone who is not afraid. He'll boldly state his 235 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:22.200 belief in UFOs that he thinks that they're here and it's a very big part 236 00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:26.000 of him and what he does, and that's exciting. So he's having these 237 00:19:26.039 --> 00:19:30.160 conversations out there. There's no doubt with all of these people that are building 238 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:34.160 these big modules and stuff. And I'll bet a lot of them are believers 239 00:19:34.200 --> 00:19:38.559 as well in the UFO phenomenon and think that more is going on, but 240 00:19:38.599 --> 00:19:41.920 they're just too afraid to speak about it, right, And we talk about 241 00:19:41.960 --> 00:19:48.599 this quite a lot in the news, But I find it really exciting all 242 00:19:48.640 --> 00:19:55.160 of these private companies with their developments and their drive to get into space and 243 00:19:55.200 --> 00:20:00.119 all the technology they're coming up with, the crafts, the modules. I 244 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:04.559 mean, these people are putting millions and millions of dollars into these programs, 245 00:20:06.119 --> 00:20:11.720 and I don't know, it's just exciting, you know, Yeah, just 246 00:20:11.799 --> 00:20:15.559 counter to to NASA, things seem to move very slowly. Yeah, but 247 00:20:15.640 --> 00:20:22.599 I mean companies like Bigelow and Virgin, I mean Virgin Galactic just taken off 248 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:26.680 like a storm. I mean not very long ago, even a couple of 249 00:20:26.720 --> 00:20:29.240 years ago. Like you said, NASA move is very slow. That's all 250 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:33.440 we saw. It was NASA making little baby steps towards this or that, 251 00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:37.680 and in a not very focused manner. You know. All of a sudden, 252 00:20:37.680 --> 00:20:38.599 you have George Bush saying, oh, we're going to the mood, 253 00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:42.319 so everybody switches to the moon. Then we have obamacamming, no, we're 254 00:20:42.319 --> 00:20:45.880 not going to the moon. We're going to Mars. So everything switches to 255 00:20:45.920 --> 00:20:51.799 Mars. But now that the private industry is part of the factor, all 256 00:20:51.799 --> 00:20:55.039 of a sudden, we're in space. All of a sudden, you can 257 00:20:55.079 --> 00:20:57.799 buy a ticket to go fly into space. Russia is flying people into space, 258 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:03.359 Virgin is going to be flying people into space. The X plane is 259 00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:07.599 going to be flying people into space. All of a sudden, we're on 260 00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:12.359 the cusp of being a Space Faring Society. How exciting is that. I 261 00:21:12.440 --> 00:21:18.240 just had a friend in the from New Mexico tell me I need to come 262 00:21:18.279 --> 00:21:21.720 out for a visit and it'll show me around the spaceport area. Oh awesome. 263 00:21:22.119 --> 00:21:23.200 Yeah, I can't wait to see that. When it's done, be 264 00:21:23.319 --> 00:21:26.960 sweet. That's going to be very cool. We'll definitely have to take to 265 00:21:26.039 --> 00:21:33.359 drive out there, absolutely just to stay it over YEP. Two witnesses simultaneously 266 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:37.039 filmed a UFO over Mountain Zion and the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, Jerusalem, 267 00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:41.799 Israel, at one am on Friday morning. These witnesses started filming after noticing 268 00:21:41.839 --> 00:21:47.559 a large ball shaped UFO hovering in the city. Hovering above the sky in 269 00:21:47.559 --> 00:21:51.759 the city. After about one minute, the UFO rapidly descended to almost ground 270 00:21:51.839 --> 00:21:56.559 level, stopping to hover directly above the Temple Mount. The UFO then shot 271 00:21:56.640 --> 00:22:00.200 straight up. M you saw this video, right, Yeah, Yeah, 272 00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:02.160 it's funny you brought it up. People in the chat are like, what 273 00:22:02.279 --> 00:22:06.319 are they going to start talking about that? Yeah, it's an interesting video. 274 00:22:06.400 --> 00:22:08.720 The first time I saw it, the video looked kind of choppy and 275 00:22:08.920 --> 00:22:12.480 I was a little, you know, worried about that. I saw that 276 00:22:12.960 --> 00:22:17.039 he showed a guy taking the video with a phone or something, and I 277 00:22:17.079 --> 00:22:18.960 was wondering, well, why didn't they post that video too, But now 278 00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:22.240 they have, Yeah, and so I don't know. At first I kind 279 00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:26.039 of had a bad feeling, like it looked like a hoax. And now 280 00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:30.920 I'm on the fence about it. Somebody's asking, you know, if it's 281 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:33.839 real or not. I don't know. I think we have to find out 282 00:22:33.880 --> 00:22:37.480 some more about the people who took the video, right, Hopefully there's some 283 00:22:37.559 --> 00:22:40.079 research going on, because it's always difficult to get a hold of it. 284 00:22:40.079 --> 00:22:44.400 Again, international difficult to get a hold of these people. So I don't 285 00:22:44.440 --> 00:22:47.680 know on this one. Yeah, I don't either. Watching the video, 286 00:22:47.799 --> 00:22:53.680 it looked pretty incredible, but watching the man up front, the camera in 287 00:22:53.720 --> 00:23:00.200 front do the filming, and then the reactions of both cameras, and I 288 00:23:00.200 --> 00:23:04.440 don't know. It seems when this thing does this rapid descent and then ascension, 289 00:23:04.880 --> 00:23:11.079 there wasn't a reaction of surprise by the people filming. I would have 290 00:23:11.119 --> 00:23:15.480 flipped. I mean, if you haven't seen this video, I'm sure a 291 00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:18.519 lot of you have, But if you haven't, go to the front page 292 00:23:18.519 --> 00:23:21.559 of our website, or if you're listening to a podcast. A couple of 293 00:23:21.599 --> 00:23:23.839 days may have passed, but still just go to our search and put in 294 00:23:23.920 --> 00:23:29.880 Jerusalem because we have a story posted there where you could see these two videos 295 00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:33.039 next to each other that we're talking about. And it is an incredible video 296 00:23:33.079 --> 00:23:38.000 where this thing drops, flashes lights, and then takes off. But you're 297 00:23:38.079 --> 00:23:41.039 right, I mean when that thing drops, first of all, it would 298 00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:44.680 have been holy crap. I mean, how weird is that that this light 299 00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:48.440 drops to just maybe one hundred feet above the ground or something, and then 300 00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:55.039 when it flashes and then takes off, especially in that area, you would 301 00:23:55.039 --> 00:23:56.400 think, oh, is that a bomb? Right? I would have freaked 302 00:23:56.440 --> 00:24:00.880 out. But well, and I know if you and I were out filming 303 00:24:00.920 --> 00:24:06.559 something in the sky, if we saw it drop like that or shoot up, 304 00:24:07.400 --> 00:24:11.480 whoever was in front would turn back and go what the ha huh? 305 00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:15.680 And then the video would show us on the ground crying in the fetal position, 306 00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:18.720 freaking out. I wouldn't freak out that much. I might. I 307 00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:22.599 might laugh at you and turn the camera on you if you were doing that. 308 00:24:22.480 --> 00:24:26.480 Yes, I did do that last week. You're right. Now, 309 00:24:26.519 --> 00:24:29.720 we're pretty tough, we're pretty used to this, but we would look at 310 00:24:29.720 --> 00:24:33.359 each other and what the hell. Yeah, it'd be pretty exciting. Yeah, 311 00:24:33.400 --> 00:24:37.200 I would flip out, really exciting. Yeah. I mean even when 312 00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:41.440 you see something not that exciting, like an orb or something in the sky, 313 00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:44.839 it's still exciting. And when you see any sort of movement or whatever, 314 00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:48.920 yeah, you know, it's it's difficult to follow them perfectly because you 315 00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:52.359 don't know what movements it's making, especially when it shoots up rapidly or drops 316 00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:56.160 rapidly. Pretty cool video, Yeah, very cool video. Betty Good video, 317 00:24:56.440 --> 00:25:00.720 Betty Good video. That is it for the news. If I wanted 318 00:25:00.759 --> 00:25:03.799 to ask you about Utah, did you see the Utah video? I did 319 00:25:03.799 --> 00:25:07.839 see the Utah video. That's a really good video. That one I don't 320 00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:10.960 think is a hoax. Who knows what it is. But this was a 321 00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:15.359 video of three lights over Utah and seemed like it dropped, yeah, which 322 00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:21.240 is fairly common in UFO videos where you see something drop out, another light 323 00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:25.480 drop down. That was a really cool video too, And something that in 324 00:25:25.519 --> 00:25:29.119 my mind helps that video is the witness that they spoke with on the news. 325 00:25:29.839 --> 00:25:37.359 Right, just seems like a regular lady wouldn't have any reason to hoax 326 00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:41.920 a video or any know how to do it right. Yeah, that's another 327 00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:45.400 exciting one, so go check that out. That's on our website too. 328 00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:48.880 Good mention, Alejandro. That is it for the news. Remember to check 329 00:25:48.920 --> 00:25:52.559 out these stories, these videos and more at Openminds dot tv, your source 330 00:25:52.599 --> 00:25:56.519 for UFO related news. I'm Jason McLellan, your Open Minds News correspondent, 331 00:25:56.599 --> 00:26:00.880 and you've been briefed back to you, sir. All right, thank you, 332 00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:04.640 Jason. Someone in the chat, John may lives that's from V. 333 00:26:06.279 --> 00:26:08.000 I didn't give the a very good review, by the way, the new 334 00:26:08.079 --> 00:26:14.920 V series in our magazine, but he has a good point that where the 335 00:26:15.039 --> 00:26:18.240 UFO was seen was over the Dome of the Rock, which is also known 336 00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:27.480 as Temple Mount, which is actually the biggest source of contention between the Israelis 337 00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:33.519 and the Palestinians because when they draw their lines of where's Palestine, Where's Israel, 338 00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:37.920 they both want Temple Mount and they will not give it up, and 339 00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:41.839 it's one of the big issues there. So it's interesting that that was the 340 00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:45.440 place. Yes, some people say the Ark of the Covenant is or was 341 00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:52.880 there. The Knights Templar I think believed that they had exhumed the arc of 342 00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:59.799 the Government Covenant under from under Temple Mount. But there's all kinds of stories 343 00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:04.440 anyway, very interesting stuff. Some other interesting stuff that we have going on 344 00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:11.160 on our website, some other stories. Michael Schratt has continued to post his 345 00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:17.920 UFO case files revealed where he goes and he takes some cases this time in 346 00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:26.640 this latest installment from the Auto Binder Reports, and he will make some illustrations 347 00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:30.440 of what the witness describes so you can see what that might have looked like 348 00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:33.680 to the witness. And he did some pretty cool ones here that we just 349 00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:38.480 posted today. Also, he did one for an email receive we received and 350 00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:45.559 this was kind of neat one of our reader's listeners. His name ed Towers, 351 00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:48.680 and he had actually I've seen this send this to other researchers. But 352 00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:56.160 he wrote a very lengthy and detailed citing that he had in Santa Clarita Valley 353 00:27:56.359 --> 00:28:02.359 in California where he was cleaning his in nineteen seventy eight and saw UFO over 354 00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:07.039 the house. And Michael did a great job reproducing that, making a picture 355 00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:08.720 in a diagram of that, and you can see that on the website. 356 00:28:08.759 --> 00:28:18.759 Also, Paula Harris Payola sayi Satan Italian Payola. She wrote us something. 357 00:28:18.279 --> 00:28:26.240 Actually, Jason had written a bio or a story on Colin Andrews, and 358 00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:30.960 Paula Harris had also done an interview, so we used excerpts of that interview 359 00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:36.680 in the magazine story, but we wanted to post the entire interview because there's 360 00:28:36.680 --> 00:28:41.000 some very interesting stuff in there, some stuff you probably never knew about the 361 00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:45.839 famous crop circle researcher Colin Andrews that are in this interview, so you can 362 00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:49.960 check that out on the website as well. And then like I talked about, 363 00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:56.759 you know, the Korean UFO chasers, SETI and teaming up with USC 364 00:28:56.799 --> 00:29:00.119 and some of this other stuff we have up on website too, So those 365 00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:03.720 are some of the things that we have on the website going on. However, 366 00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:07.640 I am very excited, and I know I say that every week I'm 367 00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:12.279 excited about the guests, but I really am, and I'm very excited about 368 00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:18.160 today's guest, mister Ross Hemsworth, who I believe is on the line. 369 00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:22.480 Are you there, Ross? I and Andro, great to SPI speak to 370 00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:26.000 you again, all right, great to talk to you. And the audio 371 00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:30.680 quality it sounds great even though you're you're many many many miles away right now. 372 00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:34.359 Sometimes you know these things, This new technology makes us sound as if 373 00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:38.039 we're next door to each other even though we're across the sea exactly. So 374 00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:44.000 it's pretty exciting. It's pretty cool stuff, absolutely yeah. And I have 375 00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:47.160 to say that there was a little bit of a fuss earlier on trying to 376 00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:49.759 get the phone lines and things to work with. Then once we got it 377 00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:53.160 all sorted, it's lovely and clear. Yep, it's perfect. So and 378 00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:56.920 I want to thank you for staying up because it's it's the wee hours of 379 00:29:57.000 --> 00:30:00.400 the morning for you out there. It is. And what I've got to 380 00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:03.880 say, and I must apologize to the listeners if they hear any background noise 381 00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:07.720 here because this is the most exciting time of the day for my two cats, 382 00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:11.759 and I've got a young kitten who thinks it's great fun to get up 383 00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:15.519 here and tap the microphone. So do you hear any noise, That's what 384 00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:19.039 it'll be. Yeah. They always want to be the center of attention. 385 00:30:19.480 --> 00:30:23.000 Absolutely well, thanks so much for being on the show. And we can 386 00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:27.599 start with a correction that you made, and I had mentioned it a little 387 00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:33.839 bit earlier. I had mentioned that you were from the Glastonbury area and had 388 00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:37.599 said that as a crop circle hearts. But but you pointed out that the 389 00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:41.960 crap circles are actually a little ways away from you. Yes. Yeah. 390 00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:45.039 You have to travel east of here, a little bit up into Wiltshire, 391 00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:48.640 just the other side of trail Bridge Trowbridge, and you'll get into crop circle 392 00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:53.920 country. There. There's an area between sort of Avebury and Stonehenge, and 393 00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:57.400 most of the crop circles tend to appear in that sort of area. And 394 00:30:57.440 --> 00:31:02.880 I think that's why a lot of people believe circle makers rather than strange phenomena, 395 00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:06.440 are the cause, because they do tend to be within a few miles 396 00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:08.039 of each other. Mm hmmm. And how do you feel about that? 397 00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:12.200 I've got mixed feelings. I mean, I've spoken to some of the circle 398 00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:17.599 makers, and I've spoken to people that claim to know circle makers, and 399 00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:21.480 they say that they probably couldn't do it without some kind of outside influence. 400 00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:25.480 But one of the telling things from me was the story of a farmer on 401 00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:30.319 a farm talking to a friend of his. The friend was totally skeptic, 402 00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:33.440 the farmer wasn't, and they were moaning about the damage to the fields. 403 00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:37.640 They get through the summer and the damage to the crops. And one farmer 404 00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:40.240 said to the other one, yeah, but it's ludicrous, these people stomping 405 00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:41.359 across your field at night. And he said, well, do you actually 406 00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:45.039 believe that? He said, surely you don't believe that little green men do 407 00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:48.240 this. And he said, well, no, I don't, he said, 408 00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:51.599 but I do believe it's more than just people stomping across the field. 409 00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:52.759 So he said, well, what makes you think that. He said, 410 00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:56.599 well, this evening, when you finished working on the farm, come and 411 00:31:56.599 --> 00:31:57.960 sit on the hill on my farm and just sit there. He said, 412 00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:00.960 why should just do it? So he went and sat on top of this 413 00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:06.200 hill, just overlooking the farm, and this flock of geese flew across the 414 00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:08.160 field as they were doing most nights, and when they got to the crop 415 00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:12.640 circle over this farmer's field, they split. Now they always fly in a 416 00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:16.160 V formation geese, as you probably know, and they split into two groups 417 00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:22.160 and literally flew around the circle. Wow. Now that's not something that would 418 00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:24.960 happen if there was just people making a you know, dent in the corn 419 00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:30.839 below. So I think there's an electromagnetic energy that plays a part in this, 420 00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:34.000 and I think rather than look at bradiance from out of space, we 421 00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:37.880 should be looking perhaps at fault lines and energies that are below the surface, 422 00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:43.279 and also the chalk deposits which are in that area which hold water, because 423 00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:47.160 I think that also plays an important part in what's going on there now I 424 00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:54.359 have I'm very interested in the kind of the aorbs that are seen around there 425 00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:59.000 quite a bit now I know, I personally believe, you know, Carlinie 426 00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:05.720 Andrews was evil to demonstrate with his colleagues at that famous video of the orb 427 00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:08.599 making the crap circle was hoaxed and they found the guy who did it. 428 00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:13.960 But a lot of crap circle makers, A lot of people have filmed orbs 429 00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:17.400 or seen orbs in the area, and I always wonder if those orbs are 430 00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:22.599 related. Well, again, you see the orb phenomena. A lot of 431 00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:27.319 paranormal investigators have actually ruled orbs out more two three years ago. Has been 432 00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:30.960 nothing more than dust and moisture at ninety five percent of the time. That's 433 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:34.960 exactly what they are. They're anomally is caught on camera that are nothing more 434 00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:39.319 than out focus centers of light picked up on depth of field. But I'm 435 00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:44.680 still I would say juries out because we've done a whole series of tests on 436 00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:49.319 this orb phenomena and certainly you can seem to get them to appear on request 437 00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:52.920 when you're working with things like mediums, and if that was dust or water, 438 00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:57.319 then we should be setting up a church aljandro and praising dust and moisture, 439 00:33:57.400 --> 00:34:00.119 because if there's an intelligent communication coming out of these things, than to 440 00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:05.240 me, it certainly isn't dust and water. I think there has to be 441 00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:08.039 more to it, and certainly with the crop circles there seems to be the 442 00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:12.880 same kind of phenomena. And again I'm wondering whether or not it comes back 443 00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:16.480 to this fault line explanation that there's this geomagnetic energy coming from the Earth. 444 00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:20.840 One of the things I'm working on in my research at the moment is the 445 00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:25.400 tectonic stress theory, in that these fault lines are generating a cause and effect 446 00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:31.199 which is directly affecting us as individuals because we're also electromagnetic and the things around 447 00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:37.079 us. So when you put these things together you can get these weird things 448 00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:39.400 going on. And some of the research I did in Scotland you may know 449 00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:45.159 about, was around Boluskene where Alice Crowley used to live, which is the 450 00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:51.599 Great Glen Fault in Scotland and that runs across from Boloskene through Castle and out 451 00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:54.920 to Ireland. And on that fault line they've had all this weird stuff happening 452 00:34:54.920 --> 00:35:00.000 at Boloskeine. I had a weird experience myself in Boliscine Cemetery where I disappeared 453 00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:04.400 off a video for about four minutes. Most of the Lockness Monster sightings have 454 00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:07.599 been on that line, So it makes you wonder whether or not all of 455 00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:10.360 these things are interrelated. And if you look at people like, for instance, 456 00:35:10.400 --> 00:35:14.639 Paul Devereux, Paul Devro has been doing a whole load of work about 457 00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:20.199 orange orbs that seem to be appearing just before earthquakes, as if some sort 458 00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:22.920 of warning signal that there's going to be an earthquake taking place. So I 459 00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:25.639 think the whole orb thing, the jury is still very much out and I 460 00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:34.000 think we need to not write them off too quickly. Yeah, that's interesting 461 00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:44.960 because to hear kind of that perspective, because it doesn't seem like the researchers 462 00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:54.000 out of the UK are as pragmatic about the phenomena as those in the US. 463 00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:58.599 As you are. I think there's a lot of arguments going on in 464 00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:01.559 the UK at the moment with regards answer to what is paranormal and what is 465 00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:07.000 ParaScience, And this is one of the things I've been championing this year is 466 00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:09.320 to come away from that old word paranormal, which has got some pretty poor 467 00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:14.920 pr and has covered things like ghost crop circles and UFOs for years, and 468 00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:16.679 change it to ParaScience and sort of say, well, okay, those that 469 00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:22.000 are more seriously interested in doing some real research to get to the bottom of 470 00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:27.719 some of this should be looking at crossing over science with these paranormal research techniques, 471 00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:31.880 because the three blind test that or the triple blind test as science called 472 00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:36.920 it, that is done in the laboratory cannot answer some of these questions. 473 00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:40.519 And some of the leading scientists are now coming forward and finally admitting that now, 474 00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:44.039 if we can get our heads together with science and say well, okay, 475 00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:46.559 let's get out into the field and explore some of these out of the 476 00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:52.039 box type theories, then just maybe we'll get some answers. So this year, 477 00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:55.079 rather than being a paranormal investigator, I want to really put the word 478 00:36:55.119 --> 00:37:01.679 out there of ParaScience researcher, gotcha, And I want to tell people real 479 00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:06.320 quick there. I guess they're in blogtalk. Some people are having some audio 480 00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:12.960 issues. But you can go to Openminds dot tv and click on the radio 481 00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:15.360 tab where we have the live video stream going on, and you'll be able 482 00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:22.559 to hear there and we'll get the podcast fixed if that's affected very soon. 483 00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:27.559 Here just so you all know, because you know, these people are us. 484 00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:30.239 When they don't have the show, they just are like they're so addicted 485 00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:35.239 to the show that they got to have it on a regular release. There's 486 00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:37.000 no audio problems from their end. Again, is that no, you sound 487 00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:39.920 great. I am too bad they can't hear you because I can hear you 488 00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:44.840 great and see you sound really good, So I know you've got some good 489 00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:49.480 equipment on your side. I think that, Uh. You know. One 490 00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:52.119 of the things and one of the reasons I talked about that with the crop 491 00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:55.760 circles is just what you're saying. You know, I work with or I'm 492 00:37:55.800 --> 00:38:00.840 friends with Nancy Talbot, uh, And that's where one of the hard things 493 00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:04.159 that she has is that you know, when she tries to find people to 494 00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:07.280 do some of the science around the crapture. Of course she has a hard 495 00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:12.039 time because a lot of people would rather go and kind of meditating stuff as 496 00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:16.639 opposed to, you know, do some real scientific work out there, and 497 00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:22.840 that's kind of where we've difficult We stuffer from that a lot. Here in 498 00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:24.679 Glastonbury. We've got far too much of the what I call Love and Light 499 00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:28.440 brigade. And I've got nothing against them, you know, all power to 500 00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:31.519 their arm. But you know, to actually get science to take notice of 501 00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:35.679 these things, you have to step away from that and you have to be 502 00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:39.559 realistic. And I've had some quite interesting banter with other researchers on Facebook and 503 00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:44.920 Twitter lately because they don't all agree with my ideas, as you can imagine, 504 00:38:44.920 --> 00:38:47.039 nor would I expect them to. But it'll be nice to actually go 505 00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:51.800 out into the field and actually prove what you say by doing a series of 506 00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:54.039 tests. And at least of the time this year in the UK, I'm 507 00:38:54.039 --> 00:38:57.880 going to be doing exactly that. I'm actually taking a group of people out 508 00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:02.280 and filming a series of tests based on this tectonic stress theory and see whether 509 00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:06.840 or not we can actually get some firm results which we can then document and 510 00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:10.519 show on camera. And that will I think open the doors to further things 511 00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:15.360 in the year ahead. That's exciting. I mean, and the science part 512 00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:22.800 is so important. I mean, that's what that's where we can really try 513 00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:27.679 to find some things out. Even if it is from let's say these people 514 00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:32.199 are writing it is from an extraterrestrial source, the science behind it can then 515 00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:37.039 show us some of the how they operate and how they do what they do. 516 00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:42.559 And that's what I always find interesting. And we were talking about Robert 517 00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:45.960 Bigelow earlier, and I know that's what his interest was in UFOs, is 518 00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:50.119 to figure out some of their technology. Well, I wouldn't say, I 519 00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:52.239 mean Bigelow has got obviously a much bigger budget than I've got, and so 520 00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:55.440 I wish we could get someone like that behind us, because that would give 521 00:39:55.480 --> 00:40:00.119 us the help we need to be able to find some of the things that 522 00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:02.519 that we want to do, because obviously we're always working on zero budget because 523 00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:07.719 all the money in the UK goes to the universities, to the skeptical guys, 524 00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:09.559 you know, the guys that are doing the work on the other side 525 00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:14.119 of the fence, so we don't get that opportunity. We have to do 526 00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:15.639 it out of our own pocket, which is why it takes a lot longer. 527 00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:19.679 People like Bigelo. You know, if we could get him involved in 528 00:40:19.719 --> 00:40:22.679 stuff like this, and I know he has an interest in it, then 529 00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:24.840 we'd be able to work a lot quicker and get much better results. But 530 00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:29.000 I think the whole point here is there is so much out there to be 531 00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:30.920 done. People are taking in the interest. It is a wider and bigger 532 00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:35.559 audience than it used to be. And in fact, I've changed the name 533 00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:38.480 of my own radio show from now That's Weird because these things used to be 534 00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:44.119 weird, to truth Box because these days it's about the truth, what's actually 535 00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:47.280 happening. It's no longer weird. So we've actually had a whole change on 536 00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:52.159 that. But going back to your point about UFOs, you know, I'm 537 00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:58.159 not discounting UFOs exist by the rate I've made earlier. I actually believe now 538 00:40:58.280 --> 00:41:04.480 a paradimensional parallel dimensions. So rather than whizzing across space, you know, 539 00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:07.800 three million light years across space, they're actually moving through into dimensional portals. 540 00:41:08.599 --> 00:41:13.000 And I've got a picture which I think you may have seen when I did 541 00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:19.840 a presentation at UFO Congress of a creature that I confronted in Rendersham Forest. 542 00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:22.920 Now, this is quite a strange story because I went to Rendersham to investigate 543 00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:28.960 the or phenomenon that people were photographing now and I actually went into trance myself. 544 00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:31.360 Now, I didn't believe in mediumship at that time. I certainly didn't 545 00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:36.519 believe that any of the mediums were anything more than cold readers. So for 546 00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:39.519 me to suddenly be, if you like, taken over by something that was 547 00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:44.440 speaking through me was just horrendous. I just couldn't know it. But this 548 00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:46.159 stuff was all coming out, and it all related to what appears to be 549 00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:52.280 light frequencies and transition of human to light body for all kinds of weird stuff 550 00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:55.280 that's sort of back in two thousand and three made no sense to me at 551 00:41:55.280 --> 00:42:00.599 all. But I described this creature that was over my left shoulder, and 552 00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:04.960 lo and behold, one of the team actually took a photograph and there it 553 00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:07.000 was in the photo. Now, we were on Track ten at Rembush and 554 00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:10.119 we've gone back to the cars to get some soup and coffee after this event 555 00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:14.320 happened, and he just plugged the camera into the laptop, so there was 556 00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:17.719 no time for any manipulation. And there was this picture as clear as anything, 557 00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:23.360 this alien looking entity right over my shoulder in of all places, rhndush 558 00:42:23.360 --> 00:42:28.000 and forest. So I've never been able to work out what that is. 559 00:42:28.039 --> 00:42:30.000 I've shown it at conferences all over the world. I've shown it to people, 560 00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:34.920 to experts, to photography experts. Nobody yet has been able to give 561 00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:37.920 me any logical or rational explanation as to what that is in the photo. 562 00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:40.440 So I do believe there are entities there, and I do believe we encounter 563 00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:45.239 them, but I think it's in two dimensional gateways rather than you know, 564 00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:51.239 little green men. Yeah, that's very interesting. I mean it kind of 565 00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:55.639 goes back to I'm gonna rade this down because I not forget that. But 566 00:42:57.079 --> 00:43:01.000 when you talked about how you changed your name from now that's weird to the 567 00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:06.840 truth box. It's kind of this evolution, which is a positive thing, 568 00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:10.280 and you can it's a good question to see if this evolution has happened, 569 00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:15.440 probably even more so in the UK than here to where a lot of this 570 00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:19.840 strange phenomena what was called paranormal, isn't so weird anymore. I mean, 571 00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:24.039 we have so much of it coming to us from the media where we've kind 572 00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:30.000 of evolved where that's not weird. But the phenomena doesn't just kind of sit 573 00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:35.039 there and stay the same as it always is. It gets more weirder. 574 00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:38.639 It pushes the weird envelope. Oh absolutely, no, I agree, And 575 00:43:38.679 --> 00:43:42.079 I think you know, the more that it does that, the more people 576 00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:45.039 do sit up and take notice. But I don't know what it's like in 577 00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:52.239 America. Over Here, our mainstream news agencies, papers TV still tend to 578 00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:57.199 give it the little green men touch when they're covering the stories. They're still 579 00:43:57.199 --> 00:44:00.760 not taking it that seriously. And I think to get the real news you 580 00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:04.360 still have to go on the internet. But again, when you go on 581 00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:07.400 the internet, you see so many hoaxes, so many videos that are I 582 00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:10.199 mean, if you look at the most recent one, which is the UFO 583 00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:15.960 over Jerusalem over the globe, it looks very much like a very very strong 584 00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:21.599 orb type shape shooting off into space at great, great speed, And when 585 00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:24.440 you look at it for the first time, it's a very convincing UFO footage. 586 00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:28.079 When you look at it over and over again, you start to see 587 00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:31.119 little things that say, no, this has actually been played around with, 588 00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:35.719 this is not perhaps what it's supposed to be and then you start to get 589 00:44:35.719 --> 00:44:38.599 the feeling this is actually a total hoax video. So how many things on 590 00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:43.039 the Internet. Can you actually believe how many out there are being put out 591 00:44:43.079 --> 00:44:45.679 for disinformation, for hoax, for mischief. It makes it really, really 592 00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:50.559 difficult for your average sort of UFO researcher to tell the good from the bad 593 00:44:50.599 --> 00:44:55.159 anymore, right, And that's a really good point because like you said, 594 00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:59.199 there, you know, there are some weird little things that are that Jerusalem 595 00:44:59.239 --> 00:45:01.639 thing that kind of threw me off at first, and now I'm like, 596 00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:05.119 you know, I don't know what to think about it. But regardless of 597 00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:10.079 that video, there have been so many videos that have been hoaxed, and 598 00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:15.719 then so many people lately that have come out to be hoaxes, These people 599 00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:23.400 who have these extraordinary claims and then continue to make these claims repeatedly over long 600 00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:30.639 periods of times until they're outed, And it does make it very difficult and 601 00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:35.840 it almost makes I think it makes it that much more important for people to 602 00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:38.280 get out into the field, to go out in SkyWatch or do like you 603 00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:45.079 did in the Renders Force, because there's nothing that can speak to this phenomenon 604 00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:50.000 like experience, like a personal experience. No, absolutely, And I often 605 00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:52.079 say that to the skeptical community. I mean, I no longer try to 606 00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:57.440 convince skeptics. That's not really what my game's about anymore. I just want 607 00:45:57.440 --> 00:46:01.039 to get some interesting research and publish it. But when you do go out 608 00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:06.239 in the field and you're doing stuff, if you're actually open minded and a 609 00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:10.360 believer in some of this stuff, I e. Not necessary that you believe 610 00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:15.039 in everything, but that you believe anything's possible, you tend to get more 611 00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:16.920 stuff actually happen to you. If you go out into the field as a 612 00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:22.199 total skeptic, not wishing to believe anything, you'll find that nothing happens. 613 00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:23.360 And this is why the skeptics say, oh, we've been doing this for 614 00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:28.400 years and we've never seen anything, because whatever it is that interacts seems to 615 00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:30.960 only interact if you actually want it to. And we were having an e 616 00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:36.719 strange conversation with a guy called John Mason, who's a photographer over here yesterday, 617 00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:42.639 and we were talking about how people walk into into positions and create their 618 00:46:42.679 --> 00:46:46.400 own reality. And one of the things that I put across to him was 619 00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:51.119 that and I'm sure you'll understand this because you have more of these over there 620 00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:55.519 than we have in the UK. But demonologists they go around hunting for demons 621 00:46:55.760 --> 00:46:59.400 and they always find them. Now, isn't it funny? In all my 622 00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:02.519 years of power or paranormal research, I've never come across one because whenever I 623 00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:07.400 go into what's allegedly called a haunted house, I don't believe in demons and 624 00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:09.360 I don't believe in the devil. The devil was something that was created by 625 00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:14.920 Christianity. It doesn't actually exist, So therefore, how can that appear to 626 00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:17.559 me? It can't because it's not in my reality. So I've never encountered 627 00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:22.440 one, nor will I. Now. The people that seem to see demons 628 00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:25.800 are the ones that believe they exist. Therefore, it's a creation of one's 629 00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:30.440 mind. You're actually creating that reality. Do you see where I'm coming from? 630 00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:35.199 People are actually creating that around them, And that begs the question going 631 00:47:35.239 --> 00:47:39.039 back to Randlesham. Whilst I was channeling this information through, did I actually 632 00:47:39.039 --> 00:47:45.159 create the picture? Did I create the thing that was above my shoulder because 633 00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:50.880 of the information that was coming through the brain. M hm. That is 634 00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:54.639 you know, when you talked about the Randalshimp thing, ed reminded me of 635 00:47:55.679 --> 00:48:00.199 Nancy Talvit current Keys, and I know a lot of people struggle with this. 636 00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:07.639 Robert Vanden broke out in Holland Who and they struggle because his what he 637 00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:13.239 says and what seems to be happening out there is so out there, and 638 00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:17.320 essentially he has instances just like you had in rendalsm Forrest, where when they 639 00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:21.400 take pictures, all of these weird things show up in the pictures, and 640 00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:24.360 he gets these messages from these things, and he seems to be kind of 641 00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:34.719 like possibly this interdimensional kind of channel type of thing. And like you said, 642 00:48:34.880 --> 00:48:37.360 I mean it, that's what you know. This case in what you're 643 00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:44.159 talking about really reminds me of this relationship that's going on with these kind of 644 00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:49.199 invisible or this other side. Well, if you take science again, if 645 00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:52.599 we go back to science and look at some of the scientific thinking on, 646 00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:57.960 for instance, quantum physics, we try and keep this as simple as possible. 647 00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:02.079 But I'm sure you're aware of the shrouding as cat experiment, Alejandro right 648 00:49:02.360 --> 00:49:07.320 with Schroding as cat. For the audience that perhaps haven't heard of it, 649 00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:12.320 it was a hypothetical experiment that didn't take place, but on the hypothetical experiment. 650 00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:15.920 If you flick open the box, the cat was dead and alive at 651 00:49:15.920 --> 00:49:17.559 the same time that was inside the box. Now, the reason for this 652 00:49:17.880 --> 00:49:23.480 is because the atoms from us interact with the quarks, which is something inside 653 00:49:23.519 --> 00:49:28.559 of an atom inside the box. So what the scientist was saying is that 654 00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:31.840 we actually, through the way we think or the way we decide, dictate 655 00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:35.280 whether the cat's going to be alive or dead when the box is open. 656 00:49:35.599 --> 00:49:37.039 And when we open the box, if we think the cat's going to be 657 00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:39.039 dead, it will be. If we think the cat's going to be alive, 658 00:49:39.079 --> 00:49:42.760 it will be. Now, if we go back to my previous statement 659 00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:46.760 about creating our own reality, you can understand how the Schrodinger's cat experiment would 660 00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:52.400 work and would actually now fall in line with some of the thinking in ParaScience. 661 00:49:53.800 --> 00:49:57.519 Yeah, and I love this kind of area because it does seem like 662 00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:05.239 knowing that line of logic just like you know what, the bleep, which 663 00:50:05.239 --> 00:50:08.920 I love, kind of goes over. It's it's the science is almost starting 664 00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:15.199 to point to and I know a lot of the theoretical quantum physicists are kind 665 00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:21.400 of going there where reality is this shared consciousness is shared experience, that we 666 00:50:21.639 --> 00:50:29.079 co create together through our minds. Like you're talking about where this creation that 667 00:50:29.159 --> 00:50:36.239 starts happening, and you know what else is? I don't you just it 668 00:50:36.440 --> 00:50:38.519 just looks just like it says, going down the rabbit hole. I mean 669 00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:42.960 that it's just kind of mind boggling all of that. Have you ever seen 670 00:50:43.480 --> 00:50:47.440 a film called The Secrets? Yes, right now, The Secret I must 671 00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:50.039 have been it. I didn't like the way they did it because it was 672 00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:55.320 made like an American sales promo thing, get the big swimming pool, you 673 00:50:55.320 --> 00:50:59.639 know. But the whole idea was based around this secret thing that we can 674 00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:05.159 actually manifest anything we want through creating around us. And that's the cat kicking 675 00:51:05.199 --> 00:51:07.599 its fall around us. I was gonna say, I think I hear one 676 00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:10.159 of those cats, so they're tambourine going off. But no, I mean 677 00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:15.159 the whole thing is built around us being able to manifest anything that we want. 678 00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:20.039 Now, when I set up Glastonbury Radio here in Glastonbury, I didn't 679 00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:22.440 have any money to set it up. I didn't have the facilities, I 680 00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:25.039 didn't have the studio, I didn't have the equipment, but I just believed 681 00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:29.719 I could do it. And four years on I'm no longer a part of 682 00:51:29.679 --> 00:51:31.880 Glastomy Radio. I left it to do other things, but it's still going 683 00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:37.559 strong. And I think it was something that was manifested from the universe because 684 00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:42.000 there was a need for it to be there. And there's many other things 685 00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:45.559 since that I've done the similar sorts of things where I've manifested things that I've 686 00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:49.800 needed at any particular time to be able to help me to move forward and 687 00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:52.920 do the things I've wanted to do. But you've got to have that total 688 00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:54.800 belief in them to do it. And again, you know, I fall 689 00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:59.760 back on the schroding As cat experiment and say that we somehow or other set 690 00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:04.960 off these quarks which around us create a chain reaction to develop that manifestation that 691 00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:09.000 they talk about in the Secret. So we're all shooting off these quirks and 692 00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:14.039 their quirks are you know. That's why I try to be so positive. 693 00:52:14.079 --> 00:52:16.880 That's why I like the whole good you know, that sending out the good 694 00:52:16.960 --> 00:52:22.199 vibes type of stuff. And I don't even say bad words Russ So Teem's 695 00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:25.039 kind of silly for an adult, but it's around that, you know, 696 00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:28.400 I don't want to send out any bad vibes. I want to send some 697 00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:31.840 good quarks out there to create some cool stuff. Absolutely well. I mean 698 00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:35.239 last year, you know, I went through a bad, bad year last 699 00:52:35.320 --> 00:52:37.320 year for a number of reasons. But you know, I was feeling very 700 00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:43.360 negative for myself last year, and everything around me was pretty much doing the 701 00:52:43.400 --> 00:52:45.760 same thing. It was being negative. So it was like drawing. Like 702 00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:49.079 the moment I drew the line under it and said, no, I'm not 703 00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:51.719 having any more of this. You know, I'm going to be positive. 704 00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:52.679 I'm going to do this, and I'm going to do All of a sudden, 705 00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:55.559 I could fill my life starting to lift again. I could feel things 706 00:52:55.639 --> 00:53:00.599 around me starting to buzz. And it's very much that creation of the positive. 707 00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:05.079 If you go online and say to everybody, I feel low or feel 708 00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:07.880 down, then that's exactly what you're going to get back, you know, 709 00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:10.719 because you're winging amongst other winges. If you like whereas, you want to 710 00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:14.639 be amongst the positives. You want to create the stuff around you. You 711 00:53:14.719 --> 00:53:16.519 want to be positive. You want to throw that out to the universe. 712 00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:20.679 And with all the crap that's going on in places like Egypt and that at 713 00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:22.800 the moment, you know, don't you really want to throw some positivity out 714 00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:28.320 to those people out there. Oh exactly. Yeah, come on, dude, 715 00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:32.440 I'd really you've got to be positive here like the people too true, 716 00:53:32.599 --> 00:53:37.360 too true, it's got to be dumb. Absolutely. So bringing this back 717 00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:42.000 to Rendalsan Forest because I wanted to talk about that experience because that was pretty 718 00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:46.800 extraordinary. Did that give you some ideas around rendal Shem Forest because that those 719 00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:52.239 gentlemen at the basis had there were multiple settings that went on for a period 720 00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:55.679 of time. It wasn't just you know, the nineteen eighties. There was 721 00:53:57.000 --> 00:54:00.599 we actually a reader who wrote us about can we put in there in our 722 00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:06.079 magazine something that he wentnessed there in the seventies a couple of different times when 723 00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:09.000 he was based out there. There's more sightings had to happen. Do you 724 00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:14.360 think that's some kind of area that drives this kind of stuff? Yeah, 725 00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:17.159 well, of course, just off of there, there were underground bunkers on 726 00:54:17.199 --> 00:54:22.519 a small island just off the side of where they are weather lighthouses, and 727 00:54:22.559 --> 00:54:24.719 there were nuclear tests done out there. Now that there is a theory that 728 00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:30.159 a lot of these areas where there's been nuclear testing has created portals which have 729 00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:34.199 opened doorways. There's a lot of areas around the world that have had similar, 730 00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:37.519 you know, strange experiences around areas where nuclear tests have been carried out, 731 00:54:38.239 --> 00:54:42.639 and certainly places where nuclear missiles are stored as well. There seems to 732 00:54:42.679 --> 00:54:45.280 be stuff going on. And we know now that Rendershan was one of those 733 00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:50.440 places that stored nuclear missiles, or at least the base next to it. 734 00:54:51.000 --> 00:54:52.960 So I think, you know, yes, there is a connection there without 735 00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:58.639 any shadow of a doubt, And certainly the sheer number of people that have 736 00:54:58.679 --> 00:55:04.000 had experiences at Rendrush goes way way beyond coincidence and the laws of coincidence, 737 00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:07.360 you know, if you believe in coincidence at all, which you know I 738 00:55:07.480 --> 00:55:10.679 fail to now, but I think you have to sort of say, you 739 00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:14.159 know, feet on the ground, You have to look at things and say, 740 00:55:14.199 --> 00:55:16.559 okay, what else could be causing this? Now. One of the 741 00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:20.519 things that I've also been looking at is cause and effect. You know, 742 00:55:20.719 --> 00:55:24.679 it is the activity that's happening the effect of something else, or is it 743 00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:29.960 the cause of something else? Because let's take an example, if you go 744 00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:35.559 into a room and you photograph orbs. Let's say you photographed the room first 745 00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:38.880 and there's nothing. Then the medium sits down and she channels something and all 746 00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:43.519 of a sudden there's orbs in the room. Is the fact that the medium's 747 00:55:43.559 --> 00:55:47.039 in there and breathing and moving around, moving her arms, creating dust to 748 00:55:47.079 --> 00:55:51.199 come up to then be photographed by the camera. So, for instance, 749 00:55:51.360 --> 00:55:54.360 is it an effect of something else that's happening, or perhaps there's a ghost 750 00:55:54.440 --> 00:55:59.400 that's come into the room, something paranormal is actually happening that stirred up dust 751 00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:02.039 and photograph in the ghost at all. But the dust, on the other 752 00:56:02.119 --> 00:56:06.320 hand, you could say, well, okay, it's directly the effect of 753 00:56:06.760 --> 00:56:09.519 so the medium is called up ghost and your photograph in that. So there's 754 00:56:09.639 --> 00:56:13.559 lots of ways that looking at cause and effect, and I think we've rendushed 755 00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:15.079 them. We have to take the same thing into mind, you know, 756 00:56:15.159 --> 00:56:20.480 of whether it's cause or effect, what's you know, the actually result of 757 00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:24.840 what people are seeing there? Right? Yeah? So, I mean, 758 00:56:28.239 --> 00:56:35.320 I guess getting into the what I don't know. I can't form my question 759 00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:39.039 around for Russiam here, I guess go ahead of the subject, isn't it. 760 00:56:39.280 --> 00:56:43.519 Yeah, Well, I have like three questions I want to ask, 761 00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:46.119 and they come to like this note and then I'm trying to figure out which 762 00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:52.000 one and how and and so it's really because I get really excited about the 763 00:56:52.320 --> 00:56:57.119 whole you know, especially the intention stuff, and because of the science that's 764 00:56:57.159 --> 00:57:02.320 going on there, which is really interesting. We think it is. That's 765 00:57:02.360 --> 00:57:06.559 the whole point, is that, you know, science itself is interesting. 766 00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:13.239 And once we get past the how do you say this lad offending people? 767 00:57:13.880 --> 00:57:21.079 There's been so many paranormal shows on television where UFO investigators basically calling everything they 768 00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:25.199 see UFOs and ghost hunters seeing you know, Boot screened Fred the ectoplasm. 769 00:57:25.639 --> 00:57:29.679 You know, it's given the whole thing a bad name, and I think 770 00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:31.320 we need to take a step back, which is what I said earlier about 771 00:57:31.360 --> 00:57:37.519 the change from paranormal investigator to paras science researcher. It's just to maybe separate 772 00:57:37.599 --> 00:57:39.960 those two things, to give some credibility in new PR to a new name. 773 00:57:40.480 --> 00:57:44.280 And I think that's going to help us this year to be able to 774 00:57:44.480 --> 00:57:46.480 just dissect that a little bit and get a little bit closer to the science 775 00:57:46.519 --> 00:57:52.320 field. Yeah. I always, you know, have felt that, and 776 00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:54.800 it doesn't seem like unfortunately a lot of those guys are interested in like you're 777 00:57:54.800 --> 00:57:59.960 saying I mean I know and you probably know of scientists who are interested in 778 00:58:00.199 --> 00:58:04.639 this field who would be willing to go out with them and to help them 779 00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:09.559 organize their investigations in a way where scientific data can be retrieved. I mean, 780 00:58:09.599 --> 00:58:15.199 for instance, I know that some great paranormal groups have done things such 781 00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:22.280 as having their cameras be able to check the temperature as well as the EMF 782 00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:27.480 so you can see all of that while you're recording or filming, so you 783 00:58:27.519 --> 00:58:31.400 can start to gather some kind of correlation with the phenomena, the visual and 784 00:58:31.800 --> 00:58:37.119 all these other types of energies going on. But you don't see that in 785 00:58:37.159 --> 00:58:39.880 the TV shows unfortunately, And they have the resources and then the ability to 786 00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:44.800 go beyond just like you said, kind of chasing these things in the dark. 787 00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:47.639 Well, unfortunately, see TV likes the what I call, you know, 788 00:58:47.960 --> 00:58:53.239 boost screening type television, the entertainment TV rather than the scientific and you 789 00:58:53.239 --> 00:58:58.239 know you'll see the ghost unters walking around with EMF meters in their hands, 790 00:58:58.239 --> 00:59:00.599 going, oh, look it's going off. Well, as any sensible ghost 791 00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:04.719 hunter would know, if you walk around with an EMF meter, it will 792 00:59:04.760 --> 00:59:07.559 go off. It needs to be placed in one place, set and left 793 00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:09.800 there. You can't walk around with them, so you know, it's a 794 00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:14.920 silly thing to do, but you know that's the way it's portrayed on television, 795 00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:17.039 and it's very much what I call the who you're going to call brigade. 796 00:59:17.079 --> 00:59:21.280 You know, we need to come away from that. And you know 797 00:59:21.320 --> 00:59:23.519 I was there. You know, there was a period when Ghost Detectives was 798 00:59:23.519 --> 00:59:27.719 on air on television where I was doing exactly that. You know, I 799 00:59:27.760 --> 00:59:30.800 was part of a ghost hunting team doing exactly what they're doing. But sort 800 00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:35.639 of ten years on, you know, my research has moved forward with science 801 00:59:35.679 --> 00:59:37.440 and I think, you know, other people should as well. Unfortunately, 802 00:59:37.599 --> 00:59:40.920 you know, they're still ten years back, sitting in dark, damp houses 803 00:59:40.920 --> 00:59:46.159 with a pair of torch waiting for frediectoplasm to appear through the wall for them. 804 00:59:46.280 --> 00:59:49.480 Now, I want to get back to some of this, but to 805 00:59:49.519 --> 00:59:53.519 many other subjects they didn't want to talk about, or such as Gary McKinnon 806 00:59:53.559 --> 00:59:59.679 and more, to get kind of a perspective. I mean, it's something 807 01:00:00.039 --> 01:00:05.719 I wrote recently, a story on McKinnon, and I think that this story, 808 01:00:05.920 --> 01:00:12.239 it's incredible what it's blown up into to where David Cameron comes to the 809 01:00:12.239 --> 01:00:16.639 White House and him and Obama attacking about it even on television. Yeah, 810 01:00:16.679 --> 01:00:20.920 and then we hear nothing for so long afterwards. Let me update you on 811 01:00:20.960 --> 01:00:23.599 the latest from over here, if I may on this first off for your 812 01:00:23.599 --> 01:00:29.159 listeners point of view. You probably already know this. But at UFO Congress, 813 01:00:30.239 --> 01:00:31.199 was it last year or the year before? I think I think it 814 01:00:31.239 --> 01:00:35.400 was last year. I was pulled to one side. No, it was 815 01:00:35.440 --> 01:00:37.639 the year before. I was pulled to one side by someone who's got strong 816 01:00:37.639 --> 01:00:42.920 connections with the Council of Foreign Relations. And I was told that they love 817 01:00:42.960 --> 01:00:45.800 my radio show, they love the leakage, they love the stuff that I'm 818 01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:50.599 doing, But would I dropped the McKinnon stuff because nasty things happen to people 819 01:00:50.719 --> 01:00:52.920 get involved in that sort of thing, And I felt it was almost like 820 01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:57.199 a threat. It was like, you know, stop campaigning for McKinnon or 821 01:00:57.239 --> 01:01:01.840 else. And then of course last year I started having online attacks. We 822 01:01:01.920 --> 01:01:06.519 had you know, there was a cloning of a bank card and all sorts 823 01:01:06.559 --> 01:01:09.559 of bad things happened to Penny and myself last year. It was almost as 824 01:01:09.599 --> 01:01:14.960 if because I'd totally ignored the warning and gone ahead and campaign for McKinnon. 825 01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:19.199 You know, funny things were happening. Now, this could just be a 826 01:01:19.239 --> 01:01:22.039 conspiracy, as people have said. It could be that genuinely someone's out to 827 01:01:22.039 --> 01:01:27.239 shoot me down because of what I've done. But I will always stand by 828 01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:30.880 what I believe. And as you may know, I'm practicing. We're not 829 01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:35.320 practicing learning law over here at the moment and taking a law degree. And 830 01:01:35.559 --> 01:01:37.920 one of the things that was missed in the original court case was that when 831 01:01:37.960 --> 01:01:45.320 Gary McKinnon allegedly hacked into the NASA computers, he was using dial up computers. 832 01:01:45.360 --> 01:01:50.320 He wasn't using a broadband Internet stream or ADSL, which means that the 833 01:01:50.360 --> 01:01:53.519 crime wasn't a cyber crime. It was actually committed in the UK because it 834 01:01:53.559 --> 01:01:57.800 had to go through a British phone line before it could connect to the Internet. 835 01:01:58.239 --> 01:02:01.440 That means under British law, to be tried here, he cannot be 836 01:02:01.559 --> 01:02:06.760 extradited. So I've put this point directly to the Home Office. Now, 837 01:02:07.079 --> 01:02:09.079 whether or not they'll take any notices is another thing. But one thing we 838 01:02:09.199 --> 01:02:14.639 heard was just a few weeks ago the Home Office had suddenly decided to put 839 01:02:14.639 --> 01:02:17.480 this out to public opinion, and they'd put a web page up asking people 840 01:02:17.519 --> 01:02:22.199 to suggest what they thought about the extradition laws and whether they were right or 841 01:02:22.239 --> 01:02:25.840 wrong. Now, obviously there are people that think extradition is great because it 842 01:02:25.840 --> 01:02:30.480 gets rid of our terrorists, It gets rid of people that put bombs in 843 01:02:30.519 --> 01:02:35.519 the middle of buses and underground tube trains and whatever. So unfortunately you're going 844 01:02:35.559 --> 01:02:39.800 to get sweeping statements that are not necessarily going to do Gary any good because 845 01:02:39.800 --> 01:02:43.320 people are going to put their comments in on both sides of the fence. 846 01:02:44.119 --> 01:02:49.639 But from what I can gather, the latest actual release from the Home Office 847 01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:55.000 has requested a second autism check on Gary m but Gary McKinnon saying that they 848 01:02:55.000 --> 01:03:00.480 want proof that he's definitely autistic. Now, if they can prove that and 849 01:03:00.679 --> 01:03:05.960 the he is definitely suffering from as burgess, then that would apparently make some 850 01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:09.960 considerable difference to the outcome of decision of the Home Office when they release it. 851 01:03:10.400 --> 01:03:13.719 Now, I've got an email that came to me tonight which I'd like 852 01:03:13.800 --> 01:03:17.360 to read out if I may. I from Janice, Gary's mother, and 853 01:03:17.400 --> 01:03:21.119 she says, Hi, Ross. First of all, the Christmas card. 854 01:03:21.440 --> 01:03:24.639 Did you know politicians from all parties signed the card for Gary, including Desmond 855 01:03:24.639 --> 01:03:30.559 Swain, who is David Cameron's Parliamentary Private Secretary. Many of the lords and 856 01:03:30.559 --> 01:03:34.880 baronesses also signed the card and this in itself has prompted a debate in the 857 01:03:34.920 --> 01:03:38.480 Lords on Gary's case and they said there is enough medical evidence there that Gary's 858 01:03:38.800 --> 01:03:44.159 extradition should be refused. Now in March it will be ten years since the 859 01:03:44.199 --> 01:03:46.840 alleged crime took place and nine years since Gary was arrested. In March two 860 01:03:46.920 --> 01:03:52.719 thousand and two, the Home Affairs Select Committee also asked me to give evidence, 861 01:03:52.760 --> 01:03:57.880 which I did and shammis from Liberty and Fair Trial abroad and they said 862 01:03:57.880 --> 01:04:01.800 Gary should not be extradited but should be tried here. Keith Vaz, chairman 863 01:04:01.840 --> 01:04:06.760 of the Home Affairs Select Committee, also questioned Teresa May re Gary and the 864 01:04:06.760 --> 01:04:12.199 Home Affairs Select Committee have already said that the government should try Gary in the 865 01:04:12.320 --> 01:04:16.519 UK. We are currently waiting for Teresa's May's decision if Gary can be kept 866 01:04:16.519 --> 01:04:20.480 in the UK, and she has asked Gary to undergo yet another medical assessment, 867 01:04:20.519 --> 01:04:25.599 but we are insisting that only an expert in aspergers should reassess Gary. 868 01:04:26.239 --> 01:04:30.039 It's Gary's birthday on the tenth of February and it's Autism Day in the UK 869 01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:33.119 on the thirteenth of February. All the best janis now I think you know. 870 01:04:33.199 --> 01:04:38.760 Janie has been brilliant. She's literally everything you would want from a mother. 871 01:04:38.880 --> 01:04:43.760 She stood by her son throughout this. She's maintained the story from the 872 01:04:43.800 --> 01:04:46.559 beginning that this is what he's done. He's never said he's not guilty. 873 01:04:46.920 --> 01:04:50.079 All he's ever said is the charges have been trumped up. When he was 874 01:04:50.119 --> 01:04:54.440 originally arrested, they told him he'd get a few hours community service if he 875 01:04:54.519 --> 01:04:58.840 pleaded guilty. So therefore he pleaded guilty. And what he pleaded guilty too 876 01:04:59.519 --> 01:05:02.800 was a very poor attempt to hack into the NASA computer to find out details 877 01:05:02.840 --> 01:05:06.639 of UFOs. Now, during that hack, on a radio interview with me, 878 01:05:08.199 --> 01:05:12.639 he said that he found details of a room where they photoshop out pictures 879 01:05:12.679 --> 01:05:15.920 of UFOs and other phenomena that was later backed up by Edgar Mitchell has said 880 01:05:15.920 --> 01:05:20.719 such a room exists at NASA. He also said that there were details of 881 01:05:20.840 --> 01:05:27.840 twelve non terrestrial officers registered with NASA. Now, I want you to bear 882 01:05:27.880 --> 01:05:30.519 that in mind because when we come on to talk about SERPO in a little 883 01:05:30.519 --> 01:05:33.199 while, I think you might find that number very, very very relevant to 884 01:05:33.199 --> 01:05:36.159 what I'm going to talk about on that subject, So bear that one in 885 01:05:36.199 --> 01:05:40.639 mind. But I think the whole thing with McKinnon is, you know, 886 01:05:40.719 --> 01:05:43.880 he has said he's quite happy to stand trial. He doesn't necessarily want to 887 01:05:43.920 --> 01:05:45.719 walk free, but he wants to stand trial in this country. And my 888 01:05:45.760 --> 01:05:50.199 own thoughts on this aalajandros Alejandro, I keep putting an s on this. 889 01:05:51.480 --> 01:05:58.159 My own thoughts on this are that we've had various courts dramas, if you 890 01:05:58.320 --> 01:06:02.000 like, in the UK where we've are the Americans to provide video evidence like 891 01:06:02.039 --> 01:06:06.239 the friendly fire incident in Iraq, and the Americans have said now they won't 892 01:06:06.239 --> 01:06:11.119 provide it because it's a matter of national security. We then had to force 893 01:06:11.199 --> 01:06:14.480 them through the courts to show the video. Now, if it went to 894 01:06:14.519 --> 01:06:17.320 an American court, they wouldn't have to show that video. Therefore, I 895 01:06:17.360 --> 01:06:20.679 think the same thing applies with Gary. If it goes to a UK court, 896 01:06:21.480 --> 01:06:27.199 embarrassing documentation and information could come to light that the media could then publish, 897 01:06:27.400 --> 01:06:30.679 whereas if it goes to an American court, that could be hidden for 898 01:06:30.719 --> 01:06:34.920 the sake of inverted commas national security. And I think this is the whole 899 01:06:35.039 --> 01:06:39.960 thing on the McKinnon case is they do not want this stuff creeping out into 900 01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:43.199 the mainstream media, and that's why they want him in the US courts. 901 01:06:44.679 --> 01:06:49.239 Interesting. Now, what I think though, even with that perspective, is 902 01:06:49.559 --> 01:06:55.800 that what it's come down to is it really does seem to be a very 903 01:06:55.840 --> 01:07:01.480 tricky situation in a very big ill between the US and the UK. It 904 01:07:01.559 --> 01:07:11.000 seems that really the the British government was deciding that you know, it was 905 01:07:11.039 --> 01:07:14.239 bad for them. They didn't want to There are so many arguments such as 906 01:07:14.280 --> 01:07:17.360 yours, that the crime was not committed you know, in the US, 907 01:07:17.400 --> 01:07:21.199 so that he should be tried there, let alone his aspergers, that it 908 01:07:21.280 --> 01:07:27.000 made more sense that he shouldn't be extradited. However, it seems like they 909 01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:30.360 were kind of trying to well through the wiki leagues we see this, but 910 01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:35.400 also through you know, some of the conversations that have gone on. They've 911 01:07:35.400 --> 01:07:42.679 tried to convince the Americans to stop their extradition. They tried to ask the 912 01:07:42.719 --> 01:07:44.880 Americans, you know, cut it out, let us keep him here, 913 01:07:45.719 --> 01:07:50.920 but that hasn't worked, and so now they're in this state where I think 914 01:07:50.920 --> 01:07:56.760 they're afraid or for some reason. You know, they really don't want to 915 01:07:56.800 --> 01:08:02.119 deny the Americans this extradition now, and that seems to be the struggle, 916 01:08:02.400 --> 01:08:08.679 and it seems like they're kind of starling until they are going to really look 917 01:08:08.719 --> 01:08:15.560 at this extradition treaty which was changed to extra date terrorists, you know, 918 01:08:15.760 --> 01:08:20.159 not to be abused, just like all of the lies they came after nine 919 01:08:20.199 --> 01:08:25.479 to eleven, to be abused in this way. Well, I think that's 920 01:08:25.520 --> 01:08:29.399 the important points because we always used to be proud in Britain of holding a 921 01:08:29.439 --> 01:08:31.840 British passport because it meant wherever you were in the world, the government would 922 01:08:31.840 --> 01:08:35.680 always get you back to England and you felt protected by that passport. You 923 01:08:35.680 --> 01:08:40.479 would go into an embassy, the embassy would fly you home and they would 924 01:08:40.479 --> 01:08:44.039 protect you. These days, it seems like we're quite happy to throw any 925 01:08:44.039 --> 01:08:47.399 of our citizens to the Lions at whatever request. And you know, realistically, 926 01:08:47.520 --> 01:08:51.039 until someone's actually found and proven to be guilty, there should be no 927 01:08:51.119 --> 01:08:56.560 way they're extradited. It's as simple as that, and it's all too easy 928 01:08:56.600 --> 01:08:59.239 at the moment, and I think even the British government now I've seen that 929 01:08:59.279 --> 01:09:02.159 this particular ex addition treaty wasn't worded in such a way as they thought. 930 01:09:02.399 --> 01:09:06.640 It is one sided. If we want an American extradited to hear, we 931 01:09:06.720 --> 01:09:11.600 don't find it quite so easy to get them. It is very very heavily 932 01:09:11.760 --> 01:09:15.720 weighted on one side, and certain other people that should be extradited from the 933 01:09:15.800 --> 01:09:20.840 UK tend not to be. It depends on what the US wants and how 934 01:09:20.880 --> 01:09:25.439 they want it. It seems that they write the rules and change them to 935 01:09:25.560 --> 01:09:30.479 suit. There's something very very wrong with that system, and it begs the 936 01:09:30.560 --> 01:09:32.960 question, what is there to hide On the McKinnon case, Why do they 937 01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:39.279 want a guy who hacked in and he admits himself very badly because he's no 938 01:09:39.680 --> 01:09:44.760 master hacker to the NASA computer, tried to find out some stuff on UFOs, 939 01:09:44.920 --> 01:09:48.800 was only online for several minutes, and apparently now they're saying that he 940 01:09:48.880 --> 01:09:53.880 brought down all communications for the US military and christ As. What are something 941 01:09:53.880 --> 01:09:58.520 that wasn't mentioned until just after the extradition treaty came into place, and he's 942 01:09:58.560 --> 01:10:00.960 now one of the most wanted and the talking about sixty to seventy years in 943 01:10:01.000 --> 01:10:05.359 prison. You know, now you've got to say that there's something being hidden 944 01:10:05.399 --> 01:10:10.239 there. They want this man desperately for something, but how it is. 945 01:10:11.279 --> 01:10:15.119 I just don't see how getting him here would hide anything though. I mean, 946 01:10:15.199 --> 01:10:18.600 Gary has the chance right now and he has for the last year few 947 01:10:18.640 --> 01:10:23.800 years to tell everything he has to tell, which it seems he has. 948 01:10:24.319 --> 01:10:29.680 So I don't see where though, that getting him over here would hide. 949 01:10:30.560 --> 01:10:34.399 Well. Do you think, particularly if he goes into a UK court and 950 01:10:34.479 --> 01:10:40.600 the Americans say he brought down communications of you know, all of the military 951 01:10:40.720 --> 01:10:45.640 aircraft and ships, they would have to prove he did. Now in a 952 01:10:45.640 --> 01:10:49.119 British court, proof is ninety nine percent in a criminal court, nothing less. 953 01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:53.000 In an American court, they could say, no, this is a 954 01:10:53.000 --> 01:10:56.920 matter of national security, we can't provide this evidence in court, and the 955 01:10:56.960 --> 01:11:00.159 court case could go along without the evidence actually being shown. Now, I 956 01:11:00.199 --> 01:11:05.560 think that there's documents that he accessed. Possibly he doesn't even know quite what 957 01:11:05.640 --> 01:11:11.039 he's accessed yet, because when I interviewed him when he was talking about twelve 958 01:11:11.039 --> 01:11:14.279 non terrestrial officers, he didn't seem to have any clue as to what they 959 01:11:14.319 --> 01:11:17.680 were. It was just twelve non terrestrial officers. So I think perhaps he 960 01:11:17.760 --> 01:11:24.239 stumbled on stuff and opened a wormhole there that he himself doesn't even know what 961 01:11:24.279 --> 01:11:27.720 he's done, and he's tapped into something that's way, way beyond what even 962 01:11:27.800 --> 01:11:30.399 he knows and understands. But all I can say is when I did the 963 01:11:30.439 --> 01:11:35.079 program on Serpo, on my radio show, I suddenly had three hundred and 964 01:11:35.199 --> 01:11:40.479 twenty one I think it was US government and US military hits to my server 965 01:11:40.680 --> 01:11:43.079 direct visits. No, I've never had that in a radio show in the 966 01:11:43.079 --> 01:11:45.479 five years I was doing it. So why were they tuning in for that 967 01:11:45.520 --> 01:11:50.239 one? You know there's something around that particular mission that's extremely secretive and they 968 01:11:50.279 --> 01:11:56.960 do not want out there. I would think then that if that's all the 969 01:11:57.079 --> 01:12:00.520 case, the best thing, and we'll probably if if that is the case, 970 01:12:00.560 --> 01:12:03.800 this is what we'll see them do. The best thing for them to 971 01:12:03.880 --> 01:12:10.960 do is to let it go. Let Gary McKinnon be tried in the UK 972 01:12:11.199 --> 01:12:16.119 for UK crimes, which originally and I know there's been I saw there was 973 01:12:16.199 --> 01:12:23.359 discussion about this where they would try him under their laws regarding hacking, which 974 01:12:23.399 --> 01:12:27.319 he wouldn't get very much time for. But that's what they would have to 975 01:12:27.359 --> 01:12:30.079 do because in that case, the America is out of the equation. They 976 01:12:30.079 --> 01:12:36.000 don't have to really provide any information to British courts and then the British handled 977 01:12:36.039 --> 01:12:40.439 it on their own side. I wonder if that's where this will go to 978 01:12:40.600 --> 01:12:44.239 then I think it probably will. I think eventually, you know, it's 979 01:12:44.279 --> 01:12:47.199 got to be the landmark case, if you like, because there's so much 980 01:12:47.239 --> 01:12:50.199 support over here for McKinnon now, and it's not just in the UK. 981 01:12:50.399 --> 01:12:55.720 You know, there's even American support for McKinnon. There's worldwide supports. The 982 01:12:55.720 --> 01:12:59.000 whole Wiki leaks thing, which is still breaking wide open at the moment, 983 01:12:59.079 --> 01:13:03.760 is proving yet again that there's some form of conspiracy going on. Assalds is 984 01:13:03.800 --> 01:13:09.640 being charged with a sexual crime in Sweden which was never mentioned until all of 985 01:13:09.680 --> 01:13:12.359 a sudden it's this. You know, a rest came up in England for 986 01:13:12.399 --> 01:13:15.800 the leak stuff. Now it's a case of well, we can't get people 987 01:13:15.800 --> 01:13:17.920 out of England very easy through extradition, but if we can get him extra 988 01:13:17.960 --> 01:13:20.680 dieded to Sweden, we can get him back to America where we want him. 989 01:13:20.920 --> 01:13:25.800 You know. So it's loopholes all over the place just trying to swing 990 01:13:25.840 --> 01:13:29.680 the big acts all the time, and I think the system is failing around 991 01:13:29.720 --> 01:13:31.319 them. I think, you know, the American governments are not now as 992 01:13:31.319 --> 01:13:34.520 powerful as they were, and they're realizing it. I think, you know, 993 01:13:34.560 --> 01:13:38.399 some of the smaller countries are standing up and saying enough is enough. 994 01:13:38.800 --> 01:13:42.560 And I've got to say personally, as an American that I appreciate that. 995 01:13:42.760 --> 01:13:47.119 I think I was appalled by what happened after nine to eleven. We received 996 01:13:47.199 --> 01:13:54.239 all of this support from around the world. People were so supportive of America 997 01:13:54.399 --> 01:13:59.279 and they felt bad for what happened, and in the period of a few 998 01:13:59.359 --> 01:14:04.199 months, the Bush regime was able to turn that around into the world hating 999 01:14:04.279 --> 01:14:08.600 us because we just use that as an excuse to say, we don't want 1000 01:14:08.640 --> 01:14:12.119 to hear what any of you have to say. We don't care about our 1001 01:14:12.159 --> 01:14:15.159 agreements with the UN, we don't care about any agreements. We're going to 1002 01:14:15.239 --> 01:14:18.920 do what we want. And it would be one thing if all they stuck 1003 01:14:18.960 --> 01:14:25.279 to was terrorism, But it wasn't there abusing these systems that such as in 1004 01:14:25.319 --> 01:14:31.239 this case, to do whatever the heck they want and to ignore these laws 1005 01:14:31.279 --> 01:14:34.520 and treaties and agreements that have been made across the world. And so it's 1006 01:14:34.640 --> 01:14:41.640 nice to see that now it's backfiring absolutely. And another thing that I was 1007 01:14:41.720 --> 01:14:45.640 told by someone in a position of power in America when it was in America 1008 01:14:45.720 --> 01:14:50.199 last time at UFO Congress last year, was that there is a person who's 1009 01:14:50.239 --> 01:14:56.319 employed now full time for the American governments whose job is to do nothing other 1010 01:14:56.479 --> 01:15:00.479 than serve the conspiracy forums and if any of the conspiracy theorists get too close 1011 01:15:00.520 --> 01:15:03.520 to the truth, to divert it by way of starting a new conspiracy theory 1012 01:15:03.560 --> 01:15:08.880 that will take the heat off it and push it elsewhere. So we've got 1013 01:15:08.880 --> 01:15:14.399 an awful lot of disinformation and hoaxes circulating on the Internet purely because people are 1014 01:15:14.399 --> 01:15:17.880 starting them. And a prime example of prime example of this I wrote to 1015 01:15:17.880 --> 01:15:21.319 you about earlier. I don't know if you saw the note, but SETI 1016 01:15:21.479 --> 01:15:26.479 the Search for Extra Treasure and Intelligence. There was a room a going around 1017 01:15:26.560 --> 01:15:30.199 just before Christmas that there were three big what they called motherships which SETI had 1018 01:15:30.239 --> 01:15:35.800 seen and located on the edge of our universe, that had shown through communication 1019 01:15:36.479 --> 01:15:43.239 hostile intent and were due to arrive here of all dates, December twenty twelve. 1020 01:15:43.600 --> 01:15:47.359 And of course everybody was just copying and pasting this information on Facebook and 1021 01:15:47.399 --> 01:15:53.279 on Twitter and various other conspiracy forums around the net so before you know where 1022 01:15:53.319 --> 01:15:56.279 you are, everybody around the world's scared shit list by this thing, you 1023 01:15:56.319 --> 01:15:59.760 know. And all I did was I went on to the SETI site to 1024 01:15:59.840 --> 01:16:01.960 a book, which I would have thought would be the first thing everyone would 1025 01:16:01.960 --> 01:16:05.199 have done. And there's a disclaimer on this saying it's a hoax. The 1026 01:16:05.239 --> 01:16:10.159 whole thing is a total hoax. So why have so many people just taken 1027 01:16:10.199 --> 01:16:15.680 this conspiracy at face value and viral posted it everywhere around the Internet without first 1028 01:16:15.760 --> 01:16:18.000 checking it out at the home website of SETI. See now, it's how 1029 01:16:18.079 --> 01:16:23.239 easy it is to start a conspiracy, right And this brings me to this 1030 01:16:23.319 --> 01:16:29.439 is a good way segue to SIRPO, because that's exactly what it seems that 1031 01:16:29.640 --> 01:16:34.439 Richard Dotey's job was with the Air Force as Air Force Intelligence. We've had 1032 01:16:34.479 --> 01:16:42.359 Linda Howan and Dolan where we've talked about Dody before, and Doty seems to 1033 01:16:42.359 --> 01:16:48.640 be the genesis of the SURPO case. So is CURPO another one of these 1034 01:16:48.680 --> 01:16:55.439 disinformation confusion tactics we it could be, you see, I'm mixed on the 1035 01:16:55.520 --> 01:16:58.159 jury is still out on Surpo. But the more I hear about it, 1036 01:16:58.199 --> 01:17:00.720 the more I get confused by it. I heard about it first off, 1037 01:17:00.720 --> 01:17:02.920 when Bill Ryan from the Project Camelot came on my show and talked about it. 1038 01:17:02.960 --> 01:17:06.399 Now, we all know that Project Camelot can come up with some great 1039 01:17:06.399 --> 01:17:11.000 stories, but don't always have all of the information directly in place. And 1040 01:17:11.039 --> 01:17:14.720 that's nothing against you know, the people that run it. They do a 1041 01:17:14.720 --> 01:17:17.399 good job investigating, but every now and again you find cracks in the woodwork. 1042 01:17:17.800 --> 01:17:19.760 Now, when they first board it on, as I say, I 1043 01:17:19.800 --> 01:17:25.479 got an amazing number of hits from US government and US military service, which 1044 01:17:25.479 --> 01:17:28.840 I found unusual. But I didn't think too much more about it at the 1045 01:17:28.880 --> 01:17:32.560 time until Gary said about twelve non terrestrial officers. Now, when I was 1046 01:17:32.560 --> 01:17:38.079 at UFO Congress, I was talking to Don Ware and Don said to me, 1047 01:17:38.680 --> 01:17:41.119 oh, yeah, surpo is really it took place. He said, 1048 01:17:41.880 --> 01:17:45.760 eight of twelve people went, eight, two died there, two returned. 1049 01:17:46.840 --> 01:17:50.520 Now, hold on, I'll get it's two twelve went, two stayed there, 1050 01:17:50.840 --> 01:17:55.000 to eight died and to eight return and two died. I think that's 1051 01:17:55.039 --> 01:17:58.720 right. But he said that he'd met one of the two personally, so 1052 01:17:59.279 --> 01:18:02.399 or one of the eight and had a conversation with them. Now, he 1053 01:18:02.520 --> 01:18:08.760 also mentioned that the spielberg film Closing Counters of the Third Kind was very much 1054 01:18:08.800 --> 01:18:13.520 based on Surpo. And if you actually asks Spielberg directly the question, he 1055 01:18:13.520 --> 01:18:15.399 won't answer it. He won't say no, he won't answer it. But 1056 01:18:15.439 --> 01:18:19.560 the funniest thing for me was when I actually spoke to Edgar Mitchell, who 1057 01:18:19.600 --> 01:18:23.199 was the six man to walk on the Moon. I said, what do 1058 01:18:23.239 --> 01:18:26.920 you know about Project Surpo? Now, as you know, Mitchell is a 1059 01:18:27.039 --> 01:18:30.920 very intelligent man, and he's worked for NASA for a very very long time. 1060 01:18:30.640 --> 01:18:33.840 And Mitchell said to me, he took a deep breath and said, 1061 01:18:34.039 --> 01:18:40.119 I cannot say I'm aware of Surpo. I cannot say it didn't happen, 1062 01:18:40.720 --> 01:18:45.199 which is not good grammar for a man that's that intelligent, which makes you 1063 01:18:45.239 --> 01:18:48.159 think he was stuttering a little bit. He didn't like the question. You 1064 01:18:48.199 --> 01:18:51.880 know, I'm very much one for body language and the way that people answer 1065 01:18:53.000 --> 01:18:56.039 questions as to whether or not they're covering anything. Now, if I can 1066 01:18:56.079 --> 01:18:59.840 just take the listeners through a few points here, Project Surpo was also known 1067 01:19:00.239 --> 01:19:03.760 Crystal Night. It was written off as a total hoax from the above top 1068 01:19:03.800 --> 01:19:10.520 secret forum. Now I just go through some details here. It's supposed to 1069 01:19:10.520 --> 01:19:14.800 be an alien exchange program which took place between the USA and the planet Surpo 1070 01:19:14.880 --> 01:19:18.079 of the Zeta Recular System between nineteen sixty five and nineteen seventy eight. It 1071 01:19:18.119 --> 01:19:23.239 says twelve US personnel went, eight return, two died, and two remained 1072 01:19:23.239 --> 01:19:27.720 on Surpo. Remember that number again, twelve. The story was broken by 1073 01:19:27.720 --> 01:19:30.560 Bill Ryan at Project Camelot, and I had him on the show to talk 1074 01:19:30.600 --> 01:19:35.159 about it. Now. When we were discussing it, we went through various 1075 01:19:35.199 --> 01:19:39.039 different things, and as I say, we had these hits from the governments 1076 01:19:39.079 --> 01:19:42.840 and military servers, and I just had that gut feeling that you get sometimes 1077 01:19:42.880 --> 01:19:45.760 that something about this just sticks. I couldn't just put it down to being 1078 01:19:45.840 --> 01:19:49.159 a hoax. There was something else to it, and it made me want 1079 01:19:49.159 --> 01:19:53.840 to keep digging. Anyway. I went on to Above TopSecret dot Com checked 1080 01:19:53.840 --> 01:19:56.800 out what they've got to say, and it said it was a hoax. 1081 01:19:57.159 --> 01:20:00.880 And there was an interest in a statement that I found on an other related 1082 01:20:00.920 --> 01:20:03.000 forum, and it says, and I'll just quickly read it out for you, 1083 01:20:03.520 --> 01:20:08.039 it says that it seems that the Project Surpo has been exposed as a 1084 01:20:08.079 --> 01:20:15.039 hoax created by McLean VA attorneys with possible government connections in concert with the three 1085 01:20:15.039 --> 01:20:18.760 Amigos of above top secret dot Com, which also appears based on the material 1086 01:20:18.760 --> 01:20:23.720 collected to be QUE twelve pro. This one is really strange and makes a 1087 01:20:23.720 --> 01:20:26.880 good example of what is being done to take over the Internet and the guys 1088 01:20:26.920 --> 01:20:30.840 of just a few normal guys trying to make a buck. Now that's taken 1089 01:20:30.880 --> 01:20:35.680 from the Bault Forum ba U t FO rum dot com. Then it goes 1090 01:20:35.720 --> 01:20:40.039 on to say it hold on, we get to the next page here on 1091 01:20:40.119 --> 01:20:45.439 my notes about these twelve non terrestrial officers. Now, that's exactly the number 1092 01:20:45.479 --> 01:20:49.600 that's Gary came up with when he hacked into this computer. There were twelve 1093 01:20:49.840 --> 01:20:53.640 non terrestrial officers. Now, if you break that down, non terrestrial is 1094 01:20:53.720 --> 01:20:58.439 non earth, which means that NASA has twelve employees that are off planet. 1095 01:21:00.119 --> 01:21:01.560 Look at the number of people we've sent to the Moon, or the number 1096 01:21:01.600 --> 01:21:04.720 of people that we've sent up in the shuttle or whatever. It's either way 1097 01:21:04.760 --> 01:21:09.640 below a way over twelve. Never the number twelve. So I thought that 1098 01:21:09.760 --> 01:21:13.279 was strange, twelve non terrestrial officers. And then all of a sudden, 1099 01:21:13.319 --> 01:21:15.560 somebody sent me through some stuff on Johnson Atole, which is an island in 1100 01:21:15.600 --> 01:21:21.680 the North Pacific Ocean and Johnsonnatole apparently had a meeting recently where by the airspace 1101 01:21:21.800 --> 01:21:27.239 was completely tied solid, no one was allowed within miles of it, and 1102 01:21:28.039 --> 01:21:33.079 apparently there was a major UFO sighting scene landing on this island. Now, 1103 01:21:33.399 --> 01:21:38.159 this was documented on three or four different forums, and then everything on it 1104 01:21:38.319 --> 01:21:42.000 was just wiped. It was like everything that had been put up had gone, 1105 01:21:42.159 --> 01:21:44.920 all the forum pieces had gone. Everything. Now, I've done some 1106 01:21:44.960 --> 01:21:48.399 research on the island and if you actually put Johnston Atoll into Google Earth, 1107 01:21:48.880 --> 01:21:53.399 nothing comes up. You have to physically put in the coordinates of the island 1108 01:21:53.439 --> 01:21:57.640 itself because nothing shows this place is so secret, it just doesn't come up 1109 01:21:57.640 --> 01:22:00.159 on any of the maps anywhere. So the whole thing, I mean that 1110 01:22:00.760 --> 01:22:06.720 there's an there's a what would you say, an air of mysticism about it. 1111 01:22:06.760 --> 01:22:12.840 I wouldn't say yes it's a definite hoax or yes it's a definite thing 1112 01:22:12.840 --> 01:22:15.880 that took place. All I would say is with the information in front of 1113 01:22:15.920 --> 01:22:17.399 me, I certainly couldn't discount it at the moment, and I think the 1114 01:22:17.439 --> 01:22:21.319 jury has to remain out on it. I think Project Serpo may have been 1115 01:22:21.319 --> 01:22:26.319 written off as a hoax by the government and by the people playing with the 1116 01:22:26.359 --> 01:22:29.800 government to take people away from the sense. In other words, that disinformation 1117 01:22:29.880 --> 01:22:32.840 officer was there to close that one down as quickly as he could. Yeah, 1118 01:22:32.880 --> 01:22:36.840 there's a lot of research that actually points to Dodie being a large part 1119 01:22:36.920 --> 01:22:45.199 of the supoken information coming out outwardly, definitely, and some that some of 1120 01:22:45.239 --> 01:22:49.279 the un normal sources tay back to him. But like you said, and 1121 01:22:49.560 --> 01:22:55.359 like historically, I think in the disinformation he has released, there has to 1122 01:22:55.399 --> 01:23:00.880 be or at least you always want to put criminels of truth throughout the disinformation. 1123 01:23:01.479 --> 01:23:04.680 And you know, some people suggest I've heard this idea that you know, 1124 01:23:04.760 --> 01:23:11.640 like you said, the Spielberg movie is very similar to the Cerbo idea 1125 01:23:11.800 --> 01:23:15.159 where at the end there's this exchange where the people go on the craft. 1126 01:23:15.960 --> 01:23:19.359 But some people think, well, that's similar to Holloman and then could Serbo 1127 01:23:19.760 --> 01:23:25.399 since it came after the close encounters. Well, a lot a lot of 1128 01:23:25.439 --> 01:23:30.760 people believe that there was a connection between the Holoman incident and the Roosevelt meetings 1129 01:23:30.800 --> 01:23:34.520 and this sort of thing. This was all a pre preparation for what happened 1130 01:23:34.520 --> 01:23:38.439 in the sixties. With SOPO, So you know, it could be all 1131 01:23:38.439 --> 01:23:42.560 interconnected. I don't know, and certainly I would, you know, think 1132 01:23:42.600 --> 01:23:45.399 if anything like this was happening, we were talking about portals or black holes 1133 01:23:45.479 --> 01:23:50.079 or whatever. Again, I don't see, you know, us having ability 1134 01:23:50.119 --> 01:23:56.000 as of yet to travel that far planet's planet. So if that technology is 1135 01:23:56.039 --> 01:23:58.880 there, it's certainly not been shared with us, have given to us as 1136 01:23:58.880 --> 01:24:01.279 far as we know, you know, But then we don't know, do 1137 01:24:01.439 --> 01:24:03.920 we. This is half the problem with it. We don't know what's been 1138 01:24:03.960 --> 01:24:08.760 going on at Area fifty one or Johnsonattole or any of the other secret bases. 1139 01:24:09.079 --> 01:24:13.479 For all we know, we might have like speed stuff they werelready Yeah, 1140 01:24:13.520 --> 01:24:19.319 and you know, speaking of that, Michael Schratt did a great article 1141 01:24:19.399 --> 01:24:25.600 in our upcoming magazine about Ben Rich where he did some research and ben Rich 1142 01:24:25.640 --> 01:24:30.560 being in charge of Skunkworks, who made plenty of comments things like we have 1143 01:24:30.800 --> 01:24:35.159 the even Spielberg related, we have the ability to take et home, alluding 1144 01:24:35.199 --> 01:24:43.520 to some incredible technology. He said that is beyond anybody's imagination that they were 1145 01:24:43.560 --> 01:24:48.960 developing in Skunkworks, so that technology could exist. But unfortunately, there was 1146 01:24:49.000 --> 01:24:56.279 a letter I saw from someone who was a departing MD of the Skunk Works. 1147 01:24:56.319 --> 01:24:58.520 Now, I don't know if we're talking about the same one here, 1148 01:24:58.760 --> 01:25:01.079 but in it he said everything seen from Star Trek has already been developed here 1149 01:25:01.079 --> 01:25:05.479 on this facility, exactly the same guy. Yeah, So he had a 1150 01:25:05.520 --> 01:25:10.840 lot of quotes like that and very well interesting because you know, I believe 1151 01:25:10.880 --> 01:25:13.479 that a lot of this stuff is out there and it is it is ready. 1152 01:25:14.000 --> 01:25:15.079 One guy who you may want to talk to on your show at some 1153 01:25:15.199 --> 01:25:19.640 point is well Thornhill. He's an Australian scientist. I had him on my 1154 01:25:19.680 --> 01:25:24.199 program a little while ago and the video is still up on our YouTube site. 1155 01:25:25.159 --> 01:25:29.800 He's actually been working on using gravity in our own electric field, the 1156 01:25:29.840 --> 01:25:33.720 electric universe, to actually power faster than speed light and he's just won an 1157 01:25:33.760 --> 01:25:39.159 award in Australia from the Scientist Guild out there for his work. He believes 1158 01:25:39.199 --> 01:25:42.399 it's there and it's ready now we could use it. It's just that what 1159 01:25:42.560 --> 01:25:45.359 technology is there, for some reason, they're either covering up and won't use 1160 01:25:45.720 --> 01:25:48.319 or they're already using it but they just don't want people to know about. 1161 01:25:50.239 --> 01:25:54.039 Very very interesting guest, had a lot of good stuff to say. Yeah, 1162 01:25:54.159 --> 01:25:57.039 it sounds interesting. It's all there. It's already around us, the 1163 01:25:57.079 --> 01:26:01.239 electric universe, the electromagnetic magnetic stuff we were talking about earlier, from the 1164 01:26:01.239 --> 01:26:05.399 Earth self gravity, which is an electromagnetic force. You know, it's all 1165 01:26:05.439 --> 01:26:09.880 there. We've already got everything we need to do away with rocket fuel. 1166 01:26:10.359 --> 01:26:14.720 You know, we can actually travel on those things alone. Well, we're 1167 01:26:14.840 --> 01:26:16.880 starting to run out of time, and before we do, I want to 1168 01:26:16.920 --> 01:26:21.000 talk about what you're up to now, because you have a new website that 1169 01:26:21.039 --> 01:26:26.960 you're setting up. But Truthbox dot tv and that's it, yeah, and 1170 01:26:27.039 --> 01:26:30.079 truthbox dot co dot uk. They're on different links at the moment. They 1171 01:26:30.079 --> 01:26:32.840 will all come together at the moment. Truthbox dot co dot uk has got 1172 01:26:32.880 --> 01:26:39.199 some test streams running on it through the day which are archive shows of now 1173 01:26:39.199 --> 01:26:42.680 that's weird. Whilst we make sure everything's up and working. Truthbox dot tv 1174 01:26:42.840 --> 01:26:45.960 will be the TV format that will be the site for the TV when that 1175 01:26:45.039 --> 01:26:48.000 launches, because we're going to be doing a show with myself and a female 1176 01:26:48.000 --> 01:26:54.279 presenter every week, doing same sort of stuff really but just more sort of 1177 01:26:54.319 --> 01:26:57.079 the truth and updated and you know, trying to break down some of the 1178 01:26:57.119 --> 01:27:00.720 barriers. And then there's Ross hemsworth dot Com, which tells you a little 1179 01:27:00.760 --> 01:27:03.319 bit more about me and some of the stuff I'm doing personally, and that's 1180 01:27:03.359 --> 01:27:06.560 going to be more updated over the coming weeks with some of the research I'm 1181 01:27:06.560 --> 01:27:13.880 working on now. So you're kind of kind of reinventing yourself and resetting and 1182 01:27:14.680 --> 01:27:17.760 starting a new Yeah. Yeah, I think that's about it. On top 1183 01:27:17.800 --> 01:27:21.319 of it, I'm trying to study this law degree as well, so I 1184 01:27:21.359 --> 01:27:25.960 think, yeah, very busy. So there's a lot of pay good out 1185 01:27:26.000 --> 01:27:29.079 in the UK. Yeah, not too bad if you get into the right 1186 01:27:29.119 --> 01:27:30.720 section. But the trouble is, I'll be sixty by the time i'm qualified. 1187 01:27:30.720 --> 01:27:33.800 It's a six year recourse, so it's part time, so I'm doing 1188 01:27:33.800 --> 01:27:36.600 it around other things, so by the time I get there, you know, 1189 01:27:36.760 --> 01:27:41.439 it's be too old to do it. But yeah, it pays well. 1190 01:27:41.680 --> 01:27:45.199 Well, it's good that you keep your mind working because sometimes people kind 1191 01:27:45.199 --> 01:27:49.960 of decide to kind of let it go and not use their their mind and 1192 01:27:50.039 --> 01:27:55.439 just kind of retire and quit. But you're out there thinking and doing and 1193 01:27:55.479 --> 01:27:59.479 searching for the truth and getting the info out there. Well, I think 1194 01:27:59.520 --> 01:28:01.199 that's the thing. And if people see that, you know you're an intelligent 1195 01:28:01.279 --> 01:28:04.640 person that you're actually doing stuff like that, they tend to take you more 1196 01:28:04.640 --> 01:28:09.119 seriously as well. And also, you know that there's so much rubbish going 1197 01:28:09.159 --> 01:28:11.880 on in this country with our government right now. It would be good to 1198 01:28:11.960 --> 01:28:15.319 actually have the qualification behind me to actually go and take the government to court 1199 01:28:15.319 --> 01:28:18.079 when they get it wrong, actually challenge some of the stupid, bloody rules 1200 01:28:18.079 --> 01:28:21.000 we have in this country, some of the stupid laws that they bring in, 1201 01:28:21.560 --> 01:28:26.399 and they slide legislation under us in what they call amendments to statute, 1202 01:28:27.079 --> 01:28:30.479 which are rather than making rules the way they're supposed to, they bring them 1203 01:28:30.479 --> 01:28:32.000 in under the table so we don't know they're there, and then we just 1204 01:28:32.039 --> 01:28:35.680 suddenly have to abide by them, and that has to stop right Well, 1205 01:28:35.720 --> 01:28:39.199 thank you so much for being on the show. We're out of time. 1206 01:28:39.279 --> 01:28:43.880 That time flew by, as it usually does, especially with our great guests, 1207 01:28:43.920 --> 01:28:45.439 but thank you so much for coming on the air and staying up for 1208 01:28:45.600 --> 01:28:48.479 us at RAS. No problem at all. Is always good talking to you, 1209 01:28:48.520 --> 01:28:51.039 and good luck with UFO Congress this year. I'm really sorry that I'm 1210 01:28:51.039 --> 01:28:53.960 not going to be able to get out to it. Yeah, we're going 1211 01:28:54.039 --> 01:28:57.039 to miss you. Guys, we really had hope. But hopefully we'll be 1212 01:28:57.079 --> 01:28:59.960 there next year. Yep, for sure. Hopefully we can make that happen. 1213 01:29:00.079 --> 01:29:04.159 Then you you too, Thank you very much, so we are almost 1214 01:29:04.319 --> 01:29:10.399 out of time. Thank you everybody for joining Open Minds Radio. Next week 1215 01:29:10.439 --> 01:29:13.760 we have Robert Dean, the guy who does the intro, and we'll be 1216 01:29:13.840 --> 01:29:18.159 talking to him. He was a sergeant major who worked at NATO and saw 1217 01:29:18.239 --> 01:29:25.560 a top secret document called the Assessment regarding UFOs. What did he see? 1218 01:29:25.760 --> 01:29:28.600 Well, you're gonna have to come to the show next week to find out. 1219 01:29:28.920 --> 01:29:31.680 Thanks for listening to Open Minds Radio, and don't forget to visit openminds 1220 01:29:31.680 --> 01:29:35.159 dot tv for more UFO news. Talk to you next week.