Hello, and welcome to Open Mind UFO Radio. I am your host Alejandro
Rojas, and I am here with Martin Bourgeois. Willis Bourgeois. You know
this is a true story. I never know what you're going to stay and
I don't think you do. You're right, I do you know when I
knew when it came out of my mouth? Yam yeah, wow. Do
you know why I'm waiting to hear No, it was because you just told
me the story about visiting some poor people, and you must have felt,
not necessarily that you are bourgeois, but you probably felt a bit like you
are. I mean, I feel humbled a bit, and I feel like,
man, what a you know, we just take it for granted all
that we have. Yes, you know, I'm not going to really get
into the details. It was just some really nice people here in Russia that
just they basically live off the land and very hard lives and they were just
the sweetest people. So it was really a good that was just happened tonight.
I was talking prior to the show in really interesting. Yeah, it's
an interesting culture and for people who don't know, I mean people who might
have missed the last couple of shows or whatever. You're in Russia, and
this is like your third week in Russia, that's right, yep, and
seeing a bit of the country. You're going to be in Moscow next week
for about a week visiting with Putin. No. Actually he was in Sochi
when I was in Sochi. So he spends He has a big, huge
compound there goes on for like blocks and he was there then, and you
know, I think that's where his home is, but I'm not. I
really don't know for sure. Where are you, Yeah, he does.
I'm in Nova Assisk, which is on the Black Sea. It's directly across
from Istanbul, Turkey. Seven hundred miles straight across the Black Sea is Istanbul,
Turkey. Well, if I remember right, I remember writing about a
UFO story there and no assist. Yeah, because there was, there was.
There have been a lot of sighting and I've tried to connect with people
here about that, and so far I haven't been able to find any English
speaking people I can do a show with. But someone is trying to set
me up with someone on the roof ours Facebook page from Russia Moscow is trying
to set me up with English speaking you follow just the recorder show on podcast
UFO when I do a show, a pre recorded show, So I'm looking
forward to that if that can work out. I haven't heard back, but
hopefully that will work out. Cool. That sounds fun. You're having a
good time, having a great time, and it's really different. And you
know what, we really take a lot of things for granted. I just
want a cold glass of water, and everyone, you know, drink No
one drinks cold water here, they you know, And it's just the little
things you get used to that. It's you know, I can't wait to
go back and have a nice cold glass of water. When are you going
to be back the around the first of June? Okay, and that's assuming
they let you out. That is right, as far as I know,
I can still get out. But you never know here you really don't not
even not even joking you and you can get out, that's right. Yeah,
we had to bribe the chiuara in. We might have to bribe him
out. Yeah, you never know. Well, good, if you have
money, you can do about anything here. But you know that's you gotta
have the cash. Yeah. Well, I hope you get Peanut out because
I hope you bring him again. This February to the conference because I'd like
to hate chill with Peanut again. He's a great one, that one.
Yeah, yeah, all right, well this is actually a UFO show.
Oh I forgot, Yeah, but I thought I wanted to hear about what
you were there. But we talked a little bit about UFOs there for a
second, I think. But yeah, there's the travel portion of the show.
And we do have someone talking about UFOs later in the show, and
that would be our guest interview, and that is Cheryl Costa, who writes
for the Syracuse New Times on UFOs. Yeah, she's an interesting person.
Has I was surprised that when I had a talk with her of some of
the data she had in the sightings, especially out you know, toward Long
Island and stuff like that, really amazing. What's fun, too, is
I found out how her blog came about, and that's a great story.
So that's a lot of fun and so and you know, seeking to write
a UFO blog, which is interesting. So yeah, it's really cool that
she's got this online. It's very popular writing about UFO stories. We talked
about her how she goes about choosing the types of stories she writes and lots
of fun stuff, lots of cool sightings and stuff, so so yeah,
it's great. She actually spoke at the UFO Congress this last year. Was
it last year of the year before twenty fifteen. Maybe you're right, I
get them all mixed up. You're probably grys. Yeah, I think you're
right. It was a one before. But as for the conference, we're
we've already got the a lot of speakers. Oh, I've got him.
We're going to be getting a names out fairly soon and taking registration fairly soon
too, so we're already getting ramped up for the next conference. Can you
drop any names yet? No? All right, never mind, let's move
on. Not yet but soon. So again, as usual, a great
list of names, and some people you probably haven't heard speak that you may
have thought, oh man, I would like to hear that person speak,
and now you're going to have your chance. And of course these are people
who we know have some great work that they've done recently, so very very
exciting stuff. Great, But before we get into that, let's get into
UFO news. And that's what you usually are here to join me and talk
about. And usually you have a UFO story to talk about to start things
off, is that the case today. It is indeed, and this takes
place, you know, near New York. It's actually in New Jersey and
this happened back in on June twenty ninth, twenty fifteen. It's a move
on report written by Jeff by Roger Marsh and basically it's a New Jersey witness
says, ufo lights are connected by a black bar now at night. I'm
not really sure how they'd know that it was black bar or not, or
a different color or whatever. But this took place in the Monroe township,
which has a population of approximately forty thousand people, and the reported the people
that reported it were videotaping it two bright lights in the sky that appeared to
be connected, and according to the witness, they said, basically, here's
a quote here, So I looked up in the sky and saw a large
bright white light attached to a smaller bright light that appeared to be a black
bar attaching them and unquote. And so this was looked into by New Jersey
field investigator Glenn Green, and he said the pictures were actually above average,
and he wrote in his report the fact that they commonly walked back to the
house when the object was in full hover outside was telling I'm ruling out a
glider being told because it was at night and the angle of the object was
very low and not moving tends to satellite and this one they ended the report
as an unknown so far. So anyway, I thought it was a pretty
interesting observation. And there's a video. You can check out the video and
watch it for yourself. There's a little kid that's pretty cute saying some things
about it. But yeah, it's a good story. What did you think
of the video? Well, it's hard to say, you know. I
mean, I thought, you know, they're just stationary lights. It's always
hard to tell when it's lights in the sky at night, but you know,
they were definitely unusual and really hard to explain what something like that could
be. It's definitely I wouldn't say it was anything to do with Chinese lanterns
or anything like that. Yeah, I agree, Chinese lanterns, but it's
hard to tell. It's kind of a short video, just a couple of
lights in this guy, so you can't really make a whole lot out,
and like you said, you can't make out a black bar in between the
lights. So maybe just visually they could see that better than it recorded.
But the little girl is cute, Yeah, on the video, I understand.
I understand also about when I don't know if you've ever tried to tape
anything with you, like your iPhone or something, but that it's hard.
Yeah, I mean it's so much better to see by the naked eye.
It's by one of those things. But yeah, by far, I mean
at night, I mean you can't really zoom in and out. Even if
you could, there's not much light, so it can't get as much detail.
Uh So you're right, it's difficult. Although Phoenix move On or Arizona
move On had a meeting on Saturday, and they brought in Ruben Uriarte,
which was a lot of fun. You've had him on your show, I'd
assume yes apt times. Yeah, he's great. So and he's out of
California. But we did a night watch and we walked up this path and
the chief investigator for the area, Dennis frayer Mouth, I've talked about him,
raved about him before, but he brought this black light and I've never
seen a live scorpion out here in Arizona, and with this black light,
however, he was we went through and we found a couple. They're so
small and they blend in and they're they're skittish. They don't run up to
you. They try to hide, and it's hard to get him to even
move if you poke him produm like you know, which I don't recommend at
all. And you can hear in this video, I'm telling someone stop it
quick, you know, but because I'm gonna post it. But yeah,
it looks really cool. They glow in the black light and it's kind of
amazing. So that's just a night video where lighting this thing up with black
light made it visible on the phone and it looks really cool. Just reminded
me of a night video I took of a not so anomalous object, but
cool again. Right now, did you do any like was this a SkyWatch?
Did you say, yeah, SkyWatch? So luckily, you know,
we were able to take a couple of We've got a couple of night vision
things here at Open Minds that we took up there, but it was a
little cloudy, so we couldn't see a lot of sky. In fact,
I don't even know that we were even to spot it, able to spot
his satellite because it was so cloudy. Earlier on in the night, it
cleared up a little bit, but it was still a lot of fun.
We didn't see anything anomalous this time, unfortunately, and we were there with
our night vision camera ready to capture. But yeah, that's something that we
do out here a casely. However, for the rest of the summer it'll
probably be too hot, so we won't be able to do that again until
it cools down and the late fall. Now, I've always heard that it
really cooled down at night even during the summer, and that no, no,
like, no, it doesn't time, no, no, no,
Unfortunately, sometimes it'll cool down like ten degrees, but of course if it's
one hundred and five or one hundred and ten, it's still one hundred degrees
at night, and it's too hot. So some parts of the year it
does cool down a bit more, but some parts of the year sometimes it's
just as hot at night, I mean, because it just like the temperature
gets a little hotter even once the sun goes down, and so it like
stays consistent where it barely cools down at all. So yeah, it still
gets too warm at night, but times like this where actually the next few
days are a little cool, but times like this time of year cools down
a bit more. So it was perfect out there the other night when we
were out there, it was really nice, all right. So yeah,
So a couple other stories to get to this one. Have you see did
you see the interview Leslie Kane did with yes? Uh huh, so you
were able to look at it? Yes, yeah, very very good Christopher
Christopher Mellon. Yeah, So this was a great interview that she did,
and I wrote a kind of a summary of it and kind of I think
the core part of what he was trying to say essentially, but her interview,
the whole thing is fascinating. So Leslie Kane, of course, she
wrote the book UFOs. Generals and other important people talk about UFOs. That's
not what it's called, but I can't remember the exact pilots and government officials.
Yeah, there you go, And it's a great book and it's New
York Times bestseller and it's I think made an incredible impact on his field and
people taking it seriously. And one of the people she's been able to contact
because of a careful way she approaches this topic is Christopher Mellon, and he
is a guy who's retired, but he worked in intelligence with intelligence organizations his
whole career in the Department of Defense. He even won a couple of awards,
including a Defense Intelligence Agency Director's Medal. At one point, they show
her him with a picture with different officials. He worked for a couple of
presidents. So, but he's always been into UFOs ever since he was a
kid, which I think is fascinating. And he talks about this, but
he essentially said that there's first of all, Hillary Clinton, although she was
Secretary of State, would not know anything necessarily, because he says, and
he actually sent me because I had a mistake in my story. I wrote
that even if she was president, she wouldn't have access to compartmentalized programs or
as he calls them, SAPs, and those are special access programs, sorry,
which means they're very highly secret programs. And he says in the past
they have denied people who have asked from the White House. I wrote that,
and he said he actually got a hold of me, which was really
exciting, and he said, I just want to clarify because this wasn't clear.
And this is an important point that however, even though as Secretary of
State, we could deny her access. We don't deny president any access.
If a president asks about a program and wants to be briefed on it,
we will do it. The statement he said was we move mountains for presidents,
which I think is really interesting. He made it sound as though presidents
don't really ask because really they rely on their advisors and their advisors giving them
information, so they usually don't stray outside of what their advisors are giving them.
But that's interesting, No, even though yeah, yes, I had
the pleasure of having a conversation with Christopher actually, oh you did really interesting
and he did mention about this thing, having a going back and forth with
you about it. But it's really interesting to think this way that it's possible
that when a president gets in office, even if they thought, well,
this is one of the things I want to check out, that they're so
overwhelmed with with all other topics, especially United the state of the world,
that this is when it kind of goes down on the list. And Chris
himself said, you know, this is probably the most important information ever that
we could find. If we do find that there's we are actually being visited
by you know, extraterrestrials would be like the most important thing humankind could know.
So it is, let's just say, if Hillary gets in, who
knows, if you know, she'll even remember that statement she made a couple
of times. I'm sure she'll be reminded of it. Yeah, I'm sure
she will. But we'll see how far she wants to push it. But
the problem, the thing is is that he feels, even if she does
decide to pursue it, there's nothing to how He says that, you know,
having even worked with and visited Area fifty one, he had an oversight
he was involved with like auditing, the like underwriting or groups. Yeah,
just going so he was there to touch on all these programs and the entire
time, he said he never saw or was given an inkling that anyone was
interested in UFOs. Even at Area fifty one, there were people that contacted
him like this incredible sighting from a Navy guy. But that these guys you
know, nothing in an official capacity. And what's interesting is, he says,
very much like John Alexander says, that this frustrates him that they all
kind of treat the UFO topic like a hot potato. If there's a UFO
sighting, they try to bury it. They don't want anything to do with
it because it's embarrassing, so they want it to go away. And so
it's kind of like Alexander calls it ignorance or idiocy. I think he's even
called it. He's a little stronger, and but Melan is frustrated that they
don't take it seriously and he thinks that they should. But essentially he's saying
there's no big government conspiracy there though. And you know, I think one
of the things that was when we had the conversation, a point that he
made was that he's really going out on a limb doing this, and I
thought that was really interesting. He says, this is my reputation and you
know what if I want to run for office and all that. So he's
really going out on a limb because he wants, like the UFO data to
really do scientific research. He wants people to take it seriously, and he
wants it to be approached, right mm hmmm. Yeah. So when he's
joined the UFO Data Group, this is a group of scientists and other professionals
who are trying to put together some kind of telemetry. We've interviewed Mark d'
antonio often who's doing something similar, but unfortunately they're doing these separate lee but
yeah, where they're going to be able to try to observe these stations that
will observe this guys to try to capture video, but other telemetry like electromagnetic
frequencies and different light spectrums and stuff like this when an event occurs to better
understand the phenomena. So he's involved with that because he thinks that science needs
to really pursue this. So yeah, I think it's even though some of
you are like, oh man, these guys full of crib you know,
probably thinking that right now. Read his interview, the full interview. You
can find links to the interview and a summary of the interview at Open Minds
to at TV, but read the full interview. Definitely go and do that
because it's I think it's great. So it is really did you talk to
him on the phone? I did, And if I can say a little
spoiler, he's going to be on my show June first. Oh okay,
wow, great, yeah cool? So and and uh yeah, he's he's
like really into this topic and basically what I've asked him to do there's a
lot of comments, is like one hundred and fifty comments underneath the posting on
the Huffington Post, And I said, why don't we address some of these
intelligent questions that are on there that people are asking, like barely there's intelligent
questions in the comments. There's a couple of the there's a couple. That's
why I said, you know, weed him out and ask a few of
the ones that actually make sense and are addressing, because when someone does an
interview and they post questions under it, a lot of times people really do
have those questions, you know, and it's good to address them. Yeah,
well the last yeah, go ahead if they're not too goofy, right,
or just being flat out jerks, which so many people do. Nancy
Drake or namely Nadia Drake is her name. I did all the female and
names Naughtia Drake. Frank Drake's daughter did an article about how she thinks it's
ridiculous that Hillary's talking about UFOs, but she's really disparaging the whole topic of
UFOs and which is unfortunate. But man, oh man, people attacked her
and they were mean and they just sound like idiots. Unfortunately, I mean,
of course, I think there's a great argument to be made, and
I did comment, and I did comment about how it's unfortunate even well known
UFO researchers are in there attacking her personally, and which is really sad because
they just sound like complete jerks and they are being completely unprofessional in trying to
make their argument. But yeah, so even you know, the most of
the comments were just so heated, so just awful that you know, there's
a way to have civil discussion with people, and people appreciate that much more,
as Mellon said in his interview, which I thought was really great.
Yeah, But moving on to the last story just very quickly, is I
just think it's kind of fun. Is this ghost story that has to do
with UFOs and it's a UK story. It was posted by Roger Marsha to
move on story where this couple was at Saint Just in Cornwall and this actually
happened in nineteen ninety three. They were in their little MG car and they
decided to go get some fish and chips and then go to the coast.
There's these coastal, beautiful coastal cliffs to watch the ocean and enjoy the little
meal. Well, while they're there, they see a guy coming up the
cliff. He looks like they call him an olden times smuggler from the seventeen
hundreds or eighteen hundreds period, and they say he has a smuggler type of
coat, a large wooden staff, and a small barrel or keg under his
right arm. They said he looked like a character from Pole Dark and Pole
Dark is an era television show that's been on well here in the US,
it's on PBS, a Masterpiece Theater you can catch it, but it's a
BBC show. It looks great. I haven't seen it, but I love
those shows. But yeah, so you could see what they're talking about.
Anyways, this guy disappears and then soon after behind them there's this white orb
that is floating there before it disappears. Of course, the orbit the UFO,
and they felt that this what they feel is a ghost had something to
do with this UFO. So kind of a fun, weird sighting that was
reported to move on. It's either interdimensional or time travel right there. Yeah,
no, that is a strange one. And you know, I heard
I've heard people say that they think everything's connected, you know, all these
things that connect and sometimes you hear stories that makes you wonder if there may
be a little bit of truth to that. Yeah, yeah, weird one,
but yeah, pretty interesting. And I don't know, the visuals are
fun, you know them going to I think we can all kind of imagine
those beautiful cliffs that are in England that they have and you know, taking
your little car and having some fish and chips and experiencing this. I think,
you know, it's kind of what goes on in your mind, especially
for Americans if you're vacationing. You know, you think of the television shows
that relate to these sort of things and so funny, so fun. Well
that's it. That's all the news I got for today. What about you.
I'm good over across the pond. Okay, yeah, you're way across
the out there, So you enjoy your trip the rest of your trip out
there and Russia and be safe. Hi Will, thanks man, have a
good show with Cheryl. All right, yep, thank you very much,
and thanks for joining us. Let's go ahead and talk to Cheryl. I
am very excited to have Cheryl Costa on the phone. Hello, Hi,
how are you good? How are you doing? Terrific? It's an absolute
treat to be on your show, sir. Oh, well, it's wonderful
to have you. You know, we've met several times at the conference.
You spoke at our conference, which was wonderful to have you speak. And
of course, I, like probably many of the listeners are reading your articles
online quite regularly. Thank you. I appreciate that a lot. Yeah,
So, I guess we'll start off with because this is the first time you've
been on with a podcast surprisingly over the years, you know, having followed
your work, but now you're here, and so what originally got you into
UFOs? Have you been into this since you were a kid? Yes,
I guess my first site what really got me into it? I was about
twelve and it was the tail end of August in an upstate New York that's
really seriously getting in the fall. And it was a clear blue sky one
Sunday afternoon. We were coming back from an uncle's house in the country and
we were coming down the side of a hill looking westward and sit parked out
there in the sky at about forty five degrees from the ground was this big
silver ball, clear blue sky, no clouds. There he was and it
was there for a good twenty minutes. My father pulled the car off the
side of the road and we sat there and looked at it. Mom explained
to me, you know what this might be. Yeah, okay, it
could be an Air Force balloon or something like this, but you know,
it also might be people from another world. And we talked. She was
very very very very very gentle but explaining it to me, and that got
the two of us really really bonded in that one context. Okay. And
what was funny was my father started driving again and I watched that thing for
about another ten minutes, and when it decided to go, this thing was
no balloon. This thing shot off like a starship gone, you know,
wow, And it was amazing to see and it changed my life. Now.
The deal is, from that time on tough high school, my mom
and I would go to the library. This is late sixties. We were
getting books by Frank Edwards and all of these guys, you know, and
if i'd get it, i'd read it and share it with her. She'd
get one, read it, share it with me. And then I went
off to join the Air Force in nineteen seventy and I had an experienced when
I was in Vietnam. It was Christmas Eve. I was walking to the
Bass Chapel to go to midnight Mass with some friends, and I looked up
in the sky and saw the single moving across the sky. I thought it
was a star, and I thought, well, maybe it's just a plane.
And plenty of jets in Vietnam at that time. And all of a
sudden, I'm looking up at it and it stops, sits there right underneath
the constellation Tourus, and then starts darting around in a weird little pattern,
and then bang, he was gone, you know. And again. For
the probably the next twenty years, I was read on the topic matter,
read everything Stanton Friedman ever wrote, but I was more largely a UFO bystander.
I was interested in the topic. In the early nineties, I got
hospitalized about the time. I was between apartments and a friend of mine he
said, Hey, I'm taking care of my dad. He's got taking chemo.
Here's the keys to my house over in the suburbs of the suburbs of
Maryland. And he says, go over there, feed the cat, pay
the utilities. So I did. I went over there, and I recuperated
over there for several months. Okay, this guy get every hardback first edition
of all the major UFO publications up until about nineteen ninety one. Wow.
So I in this house had no cable, so I had plenty to read.
And so we're going, okay, fine again, I'm a bystander.
I'm interested in the top I think I was very conversant in it, but
I really didn't talk about other people unless I knew they were into it.
Okay, here we go. Many years later, I'm a career leve.
I'm a career person with Lockheed Martin thirty two years. I retired back in
twenty eleven. And again, nothing to do with UFOs. I'm working for
a newspaper and one night I happened to look up at the CNN dot com,
you know, and they have little sidebar stories and there's this one and
said, oh, uofos have been on the decline, and maybe they were
all just an urban legend anyway, and I opened up the article and it
sat there, and it had the nerve to sit there and say they've been
on the decline and all this bologne and going, Man, that doesn't feel
right. So for the first time in my life, I went out,
like to the move on website, got on their CMS system. There their
their their website, and I pulled a few charts over like you know,
just quick samples New York State over the years. And you know, and
like I said two years ago at the UFO congress there in Arizona, I
said, what memo didn't the UFOs get because it was on a steve curve
upwards. So at that point I've had enough. I was finishing my It
only took me forty years to get my degree in writing, and I started
approaching newspaper editors here in upstate New York. I got laughed out of thirteen
different editors offices, and with my proposal to write a weekly column, in
fact, I promoted it as an online features with a lot of newspapers were
starting to try and get online type of material going. And then I came.
I went to the Syracuse new Time. So it was a weekly and
Larry Dietrich was the executive editor there, and when I went in to go
pitch him, he wouldn't take the pitch. Initially, he sat there and
talked to me. He knew what the topic matter was going to be about,
and he had apparently had read a lot of the same books I had.
Was we had a great conversation about it, and he said, okay,
show me your slides, and it was like six six pieces of paper.
Here's the charts, here's the facts, here's how many people and you
know that that National Geographic poll from a couple of years ago. And I
had all that, and I said, like, the demographics are here.
If we go and do an online blog, it'll be good for boosting your
your fledgling online presence, which is what they were trying to do. And
they hadn't had a lot of luck at that point, so they put me
up. And this is back in July of twenty thirteen, and I've been
there three years now and I'm one of the heaviest read columnists at the paper
with international readership cool on, which is cool. So if we've been doing
it now for three years, so this is one hundred and over one hundred
and fifty yard. I do charts and grass on big into statistics and that
type of thing, and a lot of the stories that I wrote have been
principally stuff that was here. The column is called New York Skies and what
I pretty much did was I curled through the two National Data Days, looked
at the stories of people and people what they said. People said, well,
you can't prove all that. I said, I don't have to.
It's what people say, they said, saw you know, And that's what
That's how. That's the tone I've taken. And what's happened is because I
was very respectful of the topic. You know, a lot of people in
the press tried to for years, always been very snarkying, tongue in cheek
about it until recently, really and and so I started getting emails inviting me
in the backyard barbecues we went he to come over and talk to our uncle
Ralph, you know. So I'd go over and have a glass of lemonade
with them and a hot dog, and Uncle Ralph would sit down and you
can see it in their eyes if they're genuine. It's like a case of
like the soldiers have the case of PTAD. You can see it in their
eyes or reliving it again when they're telling it to you. And I've had
heard some amazing things, so I've written them up as they come. I
have to change the names. We have an understanding with the editor. We're
changing, We change the names even if we know the real names, and
unless they're dead, Unless they're dead, that's a different ballgame. But that's
kind of how I got into this. Yeah, I had to go out
there and tell the truth. How cool. Well, that's really cool that
you are bold enough to kind of take this idea of a UFO, you
know, weekly, and and after trial and error, you finally got someone
to look to take it. Huh. Yeah, that's that's how it worked.
Like I said, I went out there and pitched for probably six seven,
eight weeks. It was like about two editors a week. And one
of the interesting things is I reached out to the local bureau chief of the
Associated Press at one point, and you know the answer I got back from
him, Huh, we're not the old Associated Press. We don't report things
like that anymore. What the heck was that supposed to mean that? I
don't know. I guess they just decided they drank from the same kool aid
the New York Times did many years ago and decided they won't they won't report
the topic, although now it's sort of changing with everything going on with Hillary.
Yeah, so that's interesting. Yeah, but it's really cool that you
were able to get on there. Of course, is the Syracuse New Times
like we have the Phoenix New Times. Here are they kind of owned by
the same group? No, they aren't. And you know it's funny.
About four months ago I wrote them a proposal and said, hey, here's
a chart of what the UFO sightings in the last fifteen years. This is
part of my national magnitude study I've been working on. And I sent the
Maturity and says, hey, here's the UFO sightings for every county in Arizona
for the last of fifteen years. I said, would you here's the column
I write for New Times, And I gave him a link and I said,
I, how would you like me to write a similar thing. We'll
just call it Arizona's Guys, and I can write a similar thing for you
guys. It's some tremendous things for our online edition. Not a peep out
of them. And I said, hey, you've got Phoenix fights coming up,
why not christen this in with that kind of flavor. No, not
a peep out of them. Yeah, not surprised. You know, there's
a strong, you know, UFO presence out here with you. Lots of
UFO researchers with the Phoenix Sights and all the other media actually is really into
it, and you know, they talked to us, they talked to move
on quite a bit in the area. But the Phoenix New Time, it's
one media outlet, perhaps the media outlet that covers this the least actually interesting
enough. Yes, and that's what surprised the heck out of me. I
probably will them better with the what's set one out there in Fountain there Fountain,
Yeah, and they send yeah, they send a reporter and what I
found is interesting. That's why it's neat that the Syracuse News New Times started
running our articles because like in Denver, uh, the alternative paper was called
Westward, and they also were kind of hostile to the UFO topic. In
fact, we had a symposium out there and they they made fun of it,
and then the reporter came and he loved it and wanted to write a
follow up about how credible it was, and they wouldn't let him do that.
So similar I think they fight for credibility, so they're careful about that
sort of thing. So it's neat because it's Syracuse New Time is kind of
an alternative paper out there. But they do that. I mean, they've
got your story on the front page right now. I'm noticing. Yeah,
I'm one what they call the as my editor. I'm a Friday guy,
you know. They they put me, they put me up on Fridays.
There's new there's new content on the see the print edition is published on Wednesdays,
okay, but the online and I'm not in the print edition and the
but the online edition, there's new material, new columnists almost every day,
and we have a re rotate through through. Uh. When we started doing
the UFO column, there were three of us and we couldn't we couldn't get
bloggers to come and work with us at the paper. And then we started
developing some serious credibility. We had these really good blogs, and suddenly the
bloggers started coming to us. And they've got about ten that they rotate right
now. So it's new material every day. In fact, when I was
at the twenty fourteen UFO Congress, I reported live every day from the convention.
I would go back to my room at night and not a four hundred,
five hundred word article. My spouse would prove it and we put it
online, send it back to the editor and he headed up the next morning.
First thing cool, So that was kind of a unique thing. Plus,
I was a shooting video up in the suite, and I'm sending back
video clips and interviewing Jan Hardison from You Move On, and I got to
talk to the guy from Firing the Sky and all that kind of stuff.
And it really does great things for an online column to have that kind of
visibility, right, And I mean, that's what's great that it's online.
Really, who cares about the print, especially for me because that's far away.
I'm never going to see the print. But all of us get to
enjoy your online articles all around the country and well around the world. Well,
well, that's the cool thing. I had been up about a year
and just before I came to speak at the Congress. The December thirty first
editorial for the print edition and the online edition, Larry Dietrich wrote wrote an
editorial and he says, the most popular column at this paper is not in
print. It's on our online edition. And he says, oh, Cheryl's
got international readership. We think if we put her in the printed paper,
we'd probably hurt her. Yea. So they're quite contently keeping me the electronic
nave and at one point he called me and told me I had a thousand
meads in Russia. You know that's cool. So what are people interested in
out there? What have been some of your big stories? You know what
they really like? And we don't know. My spouse has got the psychology
degree, so she says it's because it's comfortable. They like vintage stories.
One of the earliest recorded ones we have here in New York is set around
seventeen ninety in Scullari County of Wow Dutch. A Dutch a Dutch settler up
there saw what he called to be a meteor came in around sunset from the
north and when it got down into his field and hovered over the field,
he said, it was like a long snake. In the front end of
it, or what he thought was the front end looked like a tree uprooted.
So if you kind of hold your arm out with your hand like a
claw, you got an idea what looked like. And he said it was
hot and all the smell of it coming down it was a tremendous roar.
He said, you could the placement like sulfur and tar. For two weeks
around his farm, Wow and it was recorded in I got that one from
the Historical Society up that way. We had another one. We got a
couple of them in the New York City area. One lady saw a huge
cross in the sky about eighteen sixty one. There was about about the same
time, a couple about a year later, and this wasted by eight other
newspapers from Albany all the way down to Norfolk, Virginia. Okay, they
saw these two balls of fire going across the sky. But the thing that
the New York reporters said, you know, it was in the sky going
across the horizon for almost a minute, unlike normals shooting star like, oh
there it's gone, you know, And it was in the sky. We
did a calculation out of myself and another physics person sat down. Calculated the
window of an early evening sky would be about a sixty mile arc and we
estimate the speed to be about thirty five hundred miles an hour, which is
a good speed for a reentry for something like a space shuttle. And it
was last scene and just going into a cloud bank in Norfolk, Virginia,
near Norfolk, virgin It's these older stories people like I guess as my spouse
puts it, they feel comfortable with something that happened some long time ago.
I find it if I reported anything much pasted about nineteen ninety, people get
a little twitchy about it. Yeah. Personal interesting. Yeah, it's weird
how people are a bit like that, because I love, you know,
even the fifty sixties type of stuff. But often I'll get some flack when
we print about that. Oh you know what about the new stuff. But
there's exciting stuff, and of course, going way back, if people are
seeing craft flying around, that's even more significant. We had one story where
you're able to correlate with two different two different sightings in a newspaper article.
To support that, heard a story from Matthew Sure of mine, who was
dying of cancer. This is back about two thousand and five ish. He
sat down and had a cup of coffee with me and said, you remember
Sow and so he went to high school with him. I said, yeah,
well he was killing the car wreck. But I gotta tell you something.
The kid was psychic. I said, okay, so you know,
and he says, well, one night he was sitting in my front porch
and there had been all this who how about UFOs. It was like the
year after the Northeast blackout, and we had a lot of UFO sightings around
power stations up here in New York. And so he said the kid was
psychic, and he said, well, I'm gonna try and call one.
And everybody on the front porch. It was the summer night, everybody laughed
and everything, and he closed his eyes, quieted himself, and everybody's just
yeah, yeah, all right, fine, you know, And that was
it, and Scott went on his business, on Bob's business, went home.
The next morning, the local newspaper reported that now there's people in town
saw a U of flow flying at Treetop Heights on the north side of town
where this kid was. What's none nuts about it was a person the same
date who I met much later, only about two years ago. I met
this person, and we areally correlate the date bag we said it in his
diary saw it, and he saw it out in the country where it went
out and moved out into the country. And I was saying, he gave
me such an accurate description. I was able to go to you know,
those those the really big chart of you know, the UFO profiles. I
was able to pull that out show it to him and he said that one,
you know, none of this a bright light in the sky something he
pointed at a specific profile. Wow, that's pretty cool. And you know
what's interesting too, is I hear from some people everything from I've heard one
recording of a deathbed confession from a mom. We saw this back during the
war, you know, that type of thing, and then other people who
are you know getting up there and they figure, well, the government can't
come and get me. And I get that's the biggest predicating thing I hear
all the time. They're afraid the government's going to come get them or everybody
is going to make fun of them. And the reason they didn't report it
back in nineteen sixty or nineteen seventy was because everyone in their family told them
not to, which is weird. Huh, isn't that so strange? I
found that change when I became an field investigator form mof ON. Is that
a lot of them, you know, would right off the bat say that
you know, I would like to stay anonymous. I'm afraid. Do you
think I'm going to get in trouble? Where's the government going to be mad
at me? It's interesting that people have that perception. Yeah, you know.
And what's funny is when I was working at my national study the last
six months, I've been crawling through I've completely compiled all the national UFO Reporting
Center data into a data in my own database, and I've scrubbed the data,
so I've gotten rid of certain things that were, you know, report
for Beijing, China in an Alabama, I'm reporting. You know, I've
gotten rid of that stuff. But what was interesting was I find an average
of about six percent for any one state, somewhere between five and seven percent,
and average of six of unspecified cities. And in some of these unspecified
cities and report, it'll say, uh, I don't feel comfortable telling you
is the answer they put in the city block or I've been asked not to
tell you. Wow, you know, I've seen that probably two dozen times
in the last six months as I've been crawling through the databases. So I've
had to go through the blanks and had put substitute in unspecified and I counted
as a category. So the latest state. Now getting into kind of how
you do this, You like to scrub the data and take this data the
latest state you kind of took a look at in your article. I think
that was supposted today, right, is Pennsylvania And what did you find looking
at Pennsylvania? Okay, well, it's interesting there the sample period for the
entire study, the records were just coming online in late nineties, you know,
with BBS's and things like this, and not even quite the web yet,
and so citing numbers to chart and plot didn't really get stable till around
two thousand. So I took a nice round number two thousand and one to
twenty fifteen, a fifteen year sample, and I took every single state,
Puerto Rico and DC, and I crunched their numbers, okay. And that's
what we're publishing in our book, the UFO Desk Reference. It's designed to
be a reference book in the library, and it's got charts, grass tables,
Okay, doesn't call out any specific you know, UFO siting. It's
just numbers. But somebody something we did. Norfolk National UFO Reporting Center data
does not have county data, and we went to the trouble of inserting county
data. By looking at the city. You wouldn't believe how many people can't
spell the name of their town. Oh yeah, Well I go through with
the move On stuff and I do the same thing. I've been doing that,
and yeah, I've I've found people can't spell anything practically correctly a lot
of the time. Now, what's also I just we just negotiated an arrangement
with mofon here a couple of weeks ago, my wife did. And what
we've done is we've got the move On data. We're in a process.
We've just finished scrubbing it. I've got some more entries I have to put
in that we're upplemental and what the plan is we're going to be combining it
with the National UFOL Reporting Center data for the same time period. All right
now, it looks like about it adds about thirty five percent to the numbers.
So give you like a national national thing with National Ufoil Reporting Center was
about seventy one thousand sightings in fifteen years. Add the NEK the Mouffon data
on there, and it's coming in right now somewhere between one hundred and fifteen
one hundred and thirty thousand for the fifteen year window. That's a huge number.
Wow. Yeah, so that's kind of what we've seen. Plus I
sent some and I give you guys that I gave you a copy I sent.
There's a guy down there, an author down in down in Florida at
the Sarasota Herald and Billy Cox. He does a blog down there and he's
been doing a lot about the disclosure project with Steve Bassett and Paradigm Research.
And I sent him some charts and I showed him what he had for Florida
and he got back to me one day and he said, wait a minute,
you're showing us a pattern over here, because again I got county data
in there. And he's saying, Wow, we're seeing a pattern in someplace
where there isn't a major population center. Next thing you know, I'm hearing
from the chief moofon investigator down there, Morgan Biale, saying, wow,
this is incredible. You know. So the fact that we've added this county
data is opening up all kinds of windows to some investigators to look at the
patterns and things like this. And that's what we've designed the book to be
is a reference book to the next first level of investigation. If somebody wants
to look at the tables that got stuff there to numbers to play with one
of the things that I find interesting, and I was because I've mostly looked
at moof on data, right, and with the moof on data, something
that you point out is that there was a drop twenty fifteen from twenty four
team that was in Pennsylvania. You said, in other states this happens,
and I looking at the movef on data, I always assumed it was because
of the television show that Moufon had that's no longer on, or the show
that focused on Mofon. What's interesting, though, is that that show was
focused on Mofon. You're using newfork data, So I don't know that newfork
would have been impacted by that television show. They shouldn't have been. Yeah,
they shouldn't have been. So what do you think about that drop off?
Either everybody has gotten bored with the topic matter or intrument this drop off
in the amount of high visibility sightings in twenty fifteen. Now you do you
know, you probably notice as well as I do, that there's about a
five or six year you know, a rolling cycle, you know where it
does dip every few years, you know, about every five or six years,
And I'm wondering if that's the beginning of the dip. But giving example,
if you look at what I'm going to call my normal chart for from
two thousand and one to twenty fifteen, around two thousand and eight, it
jumps, it spikes, Okay, And John Venturrey from Muffon told me,
well that was because we did. I had a documentary out there on national
television, and I buy that it's an artifact of reporting. But what we
also noticed is well it may have dipped a little bit. The next year
it started a rising ramp of sightings nationally. Okay. Now, an interesting
thing that I've noted is seasonal differences. You guys in Arizona have terrible amount
of sightings in the summer months down there, and you have most of your
sightings in the fall winter months up here in New York State. It falls
off in the in the winter months, and it's good and during during the
May, June, July, August time frame, right, which makes sense
because we're hiding from the heat in the summer, while you guys are hiding
from the cold in the winter. Yeah, that's that's what we think it
is. Uh huh. So I think the biggest thing, you know,
how this started, that this national study. I was going to do a
study of the four Corners area there with Arizona, New Mexico, and Colorado.
I was going to do a study about that. And when I got
looking at just some of the data I had brought down, someone said to
me, Jesus, too bad. You can't do this for the whole country,
And I said I can, So I waited till New Year's Day.
Network performance on the New Year's Day was astronomically good because everybody was fighting or
hangovers, I guess. So I was able to download all the public data
that Newfolk had that day, did it all in about five hours, and
that became my process of developing a process to scrub the data. The first
couple of them took me weeks to do. After that, I got it
down to I got it down to an art and I got it so that
I can do it in many many hours or a single day on a really
big one like California, Versus when I did in New York State for the
UFO Congress down in Arizona, it took me four months to scrub the data
because they didn't know what I was doing. And now I do, and
I've got it down to an art and for the millennials who are listening,
No, there's not an app for that because of all the bad spelling.
You can't write a script. To organize everything the way you want. You
have to go in there and really clean it up and get rid of some
of the junk and organize that. Once you get it organized, it's fine.
Then I was able to get a zip code lists load the counties in
there and here in New York State and in Florida. I even did it
by congressional first time. It's sever and done a couple of months. About
two months ago I published in my weekly article, I published New York States
UFO sightings from two thousand and one to twenty fifteen and rank them by congressional
district. So you'll be able to tell if there's more UFO sidings in an
area that goes for Trump or Bernie or something like that. That'll be interesting.
That would be cool. Yeah, we could do that. The what
the objective was though, was to show what I suspected was that we have
a huge amount of UFO sightings around the borders of New York State and around
our water areas. Okay, and the theme for move on symposium this year
is Earth is Oceans in Sky, So I was kind of screening for that
particular flavor. Mm hmm. Yeah, which is interesting because I I've heard
from others who have done studies although they feel that the data supports that there
are more UFO settings around bodies of water. Yeah. Well here in New
York State, Okay, at most everybody. You talk to anybody in the
UFO community, particularly up here in New York, and they will tell you
all about the Eerie Lake effect. Okay, everybody talks about the Leary Erie
Lake Effect. Okay. In fact, to Erie, they've got to move
on convention there in April, you know, called the Erie Convention, you
know. And uh, what's notts is when I did the county study for
New York State, which was the first one I did because it's my home
state, and I got to write a weekly column. Uh, suddenly I'm
seeing a similar thing over like Ontario. And when I put that chart up
locally, the UFO man meisters around here started going, wait, man,
we never knew about that, Thank god. You know, maybe maybe there's
a base under Ontario or something, you know, So this is we thought
there would be something around the Finger Lakes. Everybody thought that there wasn't it
was up and down. It was the Great Lakes, it was up the
Saint Lawrence Seaway, down the Hudson and into the Long Islands Sound. That's
where all the heavy sightings were. And when you look at these areas,
is there are there areas that have more like oval shaped sightings or triangular shaped
sightings. Have you run across anything like that. I didn't correlate by that,
But another New York State guy did. His name's Tom Conwell. Think
he just published a book. Okay, I can put you in touch with
him. Tom is up near Albany and he did a similar study. In
fact, we were finishing our working on our studies about parallel and we were
prating notes back and forth. He started out with a map in New York
State and started putting pins in it from we'll say orange fireball sightings, and
he had a map of them and where they clustered versus other places. And
he has that kind of data. In fact, he took it from New
York State all the way down into North Carolina. In his book, I'll
offline, I'll send you the name of the book because he just published it
about two months ago, and it's an amazing study of the shapes and where
they are now. Me I simply went for the numbers and I didn't break
it down by the types and things like that. Though in the book,
the reference book we're getting ready to publish, we do do a breakdown of
the shapes and we do it by the fifteen year window and by month,
so you can see what the distribution is by over the years and by the
months of the months of the year. M hm, So what about at
least for the years. I guess it would be more anecdotal. But over
the years you've been collecting these sightings and doing this, have you seen changes
in the types of reports? Yeah, it's intro Okay, a couple observations
I made from Remember I'm in both databases every week looking for things. Okay,
and two things I've observed from the sightings. We owe a lot of
our sightings to smokers. I was out having a cigarette. You wouldn't believe
how many reports I read like that. Or I was out having a cigarette
walking the dog. Yeah, we have dogs to thank for this. And
then it was that flavor of things that I hear that a lot. We
had one that we see up here in New York State trying angler UFOs seem
to be a big deal along the throughway that cuts right through the middle of
the state. Orange fireballs down in the Cat Skills and other places, but
the Cat Skills and out in the what we call the Niagara Frontier out in
Eurie, out there in Erie, Buffalo, that whole area. And then
where we've seen our share of flying discs has been up in the North country
up along the Saint Lawrence Seaway. That's a kind of a loose swag.
Okay, I can't give you numbers, but that's roughly what I've noticed playing
with the data. Mm hmm. Wow, that's interesting. And then as
far as changes that you've noticed in how the media, have you seen a
difference between when you started writing to now, because I'm sure now you now
that you're writing your your blog, you pay a lot more attention to the
meet what the media is doing on this topic. Have you seen a difference.
Well, yeah, give me an example. We have a major newspaper
here in town and they're one of the they're owned by a larger chain of
newspapers. And I tried to approach their VP and senior editor. When I
had all of the county and voting district data. I wanted to go over
there and show him five PowerPoint slides. That's all I wanted to do.
Could not get on his calendar once he knew what the topic matter was,
you know. And and it's that closed mindedness that had me bug now.
I reached out to the GANET papers. They're about the major Gannet papers are
about thirty minutes about thirty five to forty minutes down the road. I reached
out to their VP editing who she has interviewed me in the past, and
I offered this stuff in the silence was deafening. Of course, The New
York Times has not been friendly to this topic since the forties and especially since
the sixties when the Conon report came out, they published most of it in
the paper I reached. I had a reporter it was up here doing a
story on a different thing, and I was at the interview as a watchdog
to make sure. There were some teenagers at a counseling center, and I
was asked, as a friend of the counseling center to sit there and make
sure the press didn't go over the boundaries and the rules that they had established
where the topic matter. You know, what's on the record's off the record
kind of thing. And she asked me about what I was doing, and
I told her about this column, and she was very interested. We a
couple of months ago, I sent her some charts because last since January first,
I've been building these charts. Center some charts and I said, especially
this one with the congressional districts. I said, if you, if you
and your editors are interested, I'm available for an interview. Silence. Now,
I'm a couple of people close to me are expecting me to get a
phone call, either if disclosure happens in the near future or if Hillary wins
and they want to suddenly it's going to be okay to talk about UFOs.
You know. That's that's the smart money around me are saying, we think
you'll hear from them. You know the fact that they did an article recently
about that that blew my socks off. I never thought i'd see that in
my lifetime. Yeah, yeah, So it's interesting then as far as uh,
your stories, I think it's cool that you're going out and talking to
people because not a lot of people do that, unfortunately. And what are
some of the fascinating, you know, uh, first hand stories you've been
told or any situations that were just kind of fun for you. Okay,
one of the best ones, well, okay two, let's say the nineteen
thirties. Okay. I had a little old lady call me up. She
runs a horse farm down in Tioga, Pennsylvania, which is Tioga County in
New York State, was right down the Pennsylvania border, but it's New York.
Okay. She told me a story about a Thanksgiving when and when she
was coming back from Thanksgiving dinner at her grandmother's house in Binging to New York.
Now, in those days, there wasn't the express interstate expressways that there
is now. So what was now from bringing to them out to what we'll
call the Waverley area now would be maybe a thirty five to forty minute drive
in those days was about a two hour drive because it was all single lane
road, right, And they went up over this hill and she was about
eight or nine years old, about about nineteen years old, she said,
and they went up over a hill and she screamed to her daddy to stop.
They had pulled the car to a stop and said, there's a greyhound
bus down there in the cow pasture. He said, watch. This guy
worked for IBM. He was a smart he was a scientist for IBM.
And they got out. She got out, and they climbed over the fence.
Of course, she was in her Sunday bust and she stepping. She
told me she was stepping in cow pies and all that this kind of stuff.
And got out there and there was something, this gray thing parked out
there in the middle of the cow pasture. She said, it resembled a
greyhound bus. Now, if you've seen the sketches of what the UFO looked
like for the Betty and Barney Hills story like that, lots of big windows.
And they stood there for five minutes looking at it, and suddenly it
flashed. It lifted off the ground, iverried about ten or fifteen feet off
the ground, and then shot straight up. And this is an eighty eighty
eight year old lady was telling me the story. Wow. And we had
another one where, oh, okay, there was one. It's been reported
in National UFO Reporting Center's database. It said saw a UFO at the World's
Fair. Okay, now I'm a reenactor. I do different kinds of reenactment,
medieval reenactment and larpening, that type of thing, and I'm also in
to what we're going to call early twentieth century live action role play. So
I read the article and I said fine, because I said it was in
nineteen thirty three, and I was, I guess, half awake one morning
about five o'clock in the morning, and I rolled over and said, spoke
out loud and said, wait a minute, there wasn't a World's Fair in
nineteen thirty three. So I started digging into it. There was the Chicago
Fair of what they called the one hundred Years of Progress. So I thought,
well, maybe she was mistaken, maybe it was there, but the
description that she gave was more suited to the nineteen thirty nine World's Fair in
New York City. I got brochures from both events on the internet, pds
of them, and I read about the things that were featured, and it
turned out to be the World's Fair in nineteen thirty nine. She just had
the date wrong. So we wrote this really nice article describing what the World's
Fair looked like in nineteen thirty nine and described this Ufo siting that seemed to
come down and hover over the nightly performance. They had a symphony orchestra out
there, and a great light show with gas jets coming out of the water,
kind of these water shows, you know, type of thing, water
fountain shows, and that was the nature of it. One of the other
the big ones we had here that got huge shares was one called the Rocket.
In fact, if you google Cheryl Costa and you google the rocket with
Cheryl Costa, you'll get this article. It's out there a lot of places
on the Internet. And there is this kid out in Lincoln, New York,
out by the Hudson. He was maybe seven years old playing on his
family's farm, and one day he started hearing his humming sound and he looked
up above him and he saw what looked to be like remember what the nineteen
thirties buck Rogers rockets looked like, you know, And he said, it
sort of a pick a buck Rogers rocket. And it started lowering itself and
as the guy closer to the ground where he was he had laid down on
the ground, and it hovered about three feet off the ground right above him,
and there was this ring that was around it and it rotated and would
stop click click click, Okay. And the guy told me, he says,
to this day, I believe those guys pictures of me someplace. Okay.
And he told me, he says, I really wish they would come
out with this disclosure stuff. I'd like to know before I die. What
the deal is? They asked, there's some tourists that came down to take
pictures of the local animals or something. Huh. Yeah. And what's interesting
is is that the story correlates about the same time period. It's the ghost
rockets that they had over in Europe and Scandinavia. It's about the same period.
So the consensus by some of us who are doing this is that when
we detonated the first atomic bombs, we attracted an awful lot of attention,
and hence that's why there's such a spike of ufosa. You know what's interesting,
And I know you must be running out of time here, but I
have to give you one tidbit. There was a guy who's an old a
nightcap guy Boucher. Boucher was his name. He was an actor, Okay,
he wrote a paperback in the mid sixties. He was an actor and
he was on tour professional actor, and whenever he was on tour someplace,
he would spend his afternoons in the library since they performed at night, and
he was researching in their morgues news clippings of UFO sightings, particularly back around
the time of the Roswell incident. But most people don't know when you watch
all these television programs say, oh, it all started with Roswell. Well,
we know that those of us around this stuff. No, it didn't
start with Roswell. But about that time, for about a month either way
of the Roswell is Then around July seventh or whatever, there was a massive
amount of UFO sightings in the United States, reported in thirty eight to forty
states, and the AP was carrying it, and it was all over the
New York Times, and then of course they were making fun of it.
Well, what this guy did was he went around, copied all these articles,
wrote down all the information these articles, went back and wrote a paper
for Nightcap and he had sighting levels during the middle of June of nineteen forty
seven to about the end of July nineteen forty seven. That spiked a couple
of weeks before what we'll call the classic Roswell incident. And most people who
research will tell you they think what happened really happened. The two crashes actually
happened a couple of weeks into June. Okay, they'll tell you. Most
the experts will tell you this. So this guy published the paper and it's
available online. I'll send you the PDF for it. And he's got charts
in there of where all the clusters were based on where he'd been touring,
was able to look at the newspapers. There was an Air Force Army airs
Core General, and when he came back to New York City, the press
rounded him and said, hey, what about all these UFO sightings and Flying
Saucier sightings. He's all, guys, I've been up in I've been up
in Oregon fishing. There was a huge cluster going on in Oregon the week
before when he was supposed to be up there fishing. Where he's sitting with
fishing was barely fifty miles from where all the activity was. So there's a
lot of stuff. I tell people an article about a week or two ago.
I told people, there's still plenty of room to go and research and
be a citizen scientist if you want to dig into it. Yeah, I
mean there's so much out there. And I mean, even though we hear
people interested, not a lot of people doing the digging. And I know
people finding new documents. I mean, even if you go through the blue
Book, thousands and thousands of files, you might find documents and information that
people really haven't gotten a time to take a look at before. Yeah,
there's a we have a little problem in the UFO community called latest sighting itis.
I gotta I've had a number of podcasts call me and asked me to
be on their show or one of those krg A shows, and they always
want to know what's the latest and greatest sighting. I don't know. I'm
a historian. I look at stats, you know. Yeah, which is
fun and it's good that people do that because I love that sort of thing.
But I always get tied up in what's the latest and greatest, and
I don't have time to go back to some of these other pet projects or
stories I want to write about. So I love seeing these older stories.
Now what I love is some of the stuff you've been putting up with open
minds. Your open mind site has been tremendous. I enjoy reading that,
by the way, thank you, And it's been very, very very helpful
to me. And you said a couple of cases you've kind of sparked my
interests, and I'd go back and say, why, what are what else
is going around in that state? You know? Yeah, I'd go back
and pull my charts up for something. So, like I said, we're
our target right now, Linda and I hope to publish our reference book late
summer early fall. Great, and it should be one heck of a paper.
It goes with it. Do you want it for the Congress? Invite
me? All right? Yeah, send us the data. Awesome, Yes,
send us a proposal and we'll take a look at it. And because
we are already getting ready, we're already going to start we're going to start
registration probably June first, and we're gonna get out some speakers we've already talked
to. So yeah, we're moving ahead. I'll send your proposal over the
weekend. Sounds good. So, and if people want to read your stuff,
they can go to the New York skys UFO blog, which is at
the Syracuse New Times Syracuse Times dot com. All right, perfect, Well,
Thank you so much for being on the show. I hope you're enjoying
I'm sure it's often chilly out there, but I'm sure the weather's getting better.
They told us this morning we might have from rain and a chance of
snow showers this seek. Oh you're kidding. Wow, welcome to upstate New
York. We've seen snow on Mother's Day before, so this doesn't surprise it.
Yeah, we got a funny feeling that's going to be up in the
higher altitudes a little bit north of us, by about fifty miles. Well,
that's good. Hopefully you don't run into any snow. But thank you
so much, and you have a great weekend. Thank you very much,
have a wonderful week, and we'll talk to you soon. Thank you so
much to Cheryl for being on the show. And as we talked about,
you can go to Syracuse New Times and see her articles. We often post
her articles in the Open Mind UFO news group on Facebook and in our news
because of course we post headlines on a daily basis on the website, so
you can read her articles there. But if you just go Syracuse New Times,
like I said, her last article was on the front page, so
it sounds like every Friday there on the front page, so you could read
her articles about sightings in the New York area, but historical cases and other
things that she talks about there. So and of course, as you heard,
she's got a lot to share. So thank you so much to Cheryl,
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