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What is krak alacin, Fellow Thermal
Nuclear afors, I am Dampa Valley coming

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at you with my certified vantabulous co
host mister Grant Hughes Thermonuclear af co host

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as well, mister Grant Hughes.
We are here to talk about the most

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disappointing NBA teams this season and also
the most overachieving, the biggest overachievers from

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this NBA season. Sorry, so
I'm realizing I already spoiled one of them

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up on the screen for anyone who's
watching on YouTube. I apologize. We're

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also going to be holding ourselves accountable
because we did our wind total over unders.

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We'll talk about our overall record in
the over unders this year, where

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you're both coming off two seasons consecutively
where we went better than twenty and ten.

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I think I was twenty two and
eight last year, Grant was twenty

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one and nine. How did we
do this year? Spoiler alert? It

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was not as good. So we
have if you were members of our discord,

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we did do a competition where to
see who could do the best with

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their over unders, and so we
have a winner. I will not announce

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the person who had the worst one
just to spare them, I'll tell we'll

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mention the record at the end.
Those will be the big, big reveals.

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It was not Grant or I though
we were pretty low, but we

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did not have the worst showing here. So this will just be an interesting

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discussion. We are recording this before
the end of the regular season, so

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the win totals, you're going to
see how much they missed or exceeded them

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by. There are rough estimates they
will be off by maybe a winner too,

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so it's nothing that's going to seismically
change anything. Grant, though,

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how the heck are you doing well? I got to say, I'm a

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little disappointed, but it's directed at
myself because, and you mentioned it,

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we did not do nearly as well
as we did in the past, and

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we could make a lot of excuses. But uh, and we'll do that

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for forty five minutes starting right now. No, we're gonna We're just gonna

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power through. I was kind of
blown away by by our performance, and

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not in a good way. Uh, but yeah, Hey, but I

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think this will be an instructive exercise
in a good preview. Not to spoil

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it too much, but eventually,
down line, we're gonna get We're gonna

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do some mea culpas on what we
got most wrong about every team. But

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today it's just the wins totals.
So excited to get into that and uh

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see who uh? Which teams fell
short and which teams exceeded? Are mostly

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inaccurate expectations for the season. Which
do you want to start with the biggest

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overachievers or the biggest underachievers. Let's
get the underachievers, you know what,

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Let's get the Let's get the overachievers
out of the way. How about that

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because everybody knows these teams did well. I like that, you're I like

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that you're starting with the positivity.
If you had to get I guess you

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know the results? Or are you
staring at them? And I ask you

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to get I'm not looking at them
right now. So you was there to

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guess there's a tot I won't.
Actually, who's the biggest overatch Who are

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the all right, there's a tie
for the two biggest overachievers relative to their

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to their win totals. Would you
care to venture a guess? I'm gonna

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guess is one of them the thunder
uh that is correct, exceed exceeding their

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win total? By eleven and a
half. So this other team that is

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there would be in that same category. It's identical. There's two teams that

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are by eleven and eleven and a
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but I really cannot remember what their
overunder it was. It is not

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them. Okay, you're gonna have
to You're gonna have to give it to

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me here. Oh go ahead,
you know you know it, don't you.

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No, I don't want to guess
wrong. Twice after exclaiming, oh,

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like I knew it. So just
Minnesota Timberwolves, yeah, who we

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both went over on though we did
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So so you know, that's about
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for us. The I so the
Timberwolves one, I honestly just think that

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their line was too low. I
didn't expect them to be basically a sixty

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like win team, but what they
came in at, the numbers were basing

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this off. I have them locked
in as the you know, the ones

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that us and our audience used.
That Timberwolves over and there was at forty

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four and a half that is which
I thought that was way too low.

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Like that was one of our I
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Yeah. Well, and also we
I think we viewed them the same

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way last year and we were wrong, but we doubled down. Well.

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Also, remember the Timberwolves are one
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half dozen teams that all were at
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It's not quite that many, but
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as well. Obviously it must have
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I think had a number right around
there Dallas like that, forty four and

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a half in Miami. We're just
a bunch of teams right there. I

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mean, yeah, that this is
what we thought we were getting from the

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Wolves last year, and they just
did it this time more or less right

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or something close to it. I
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they'd be down to the wire here
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this. Yeah, the I just
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the defense to be this good as
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came down to I think a lot
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had, that the Rudy gobertrot was
a mistake. What they had wasn't working,

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and they might have overpaid for Rudi
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sample of them healthy this season before. So did do we either of us

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think they were going to be the
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absolutely not. But they weren't easy
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also had the forty four and a
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it was just a little too early. Sam Presty was pumping the brakes on

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it. Yeah, it wasn't just
our argument, it was the guy running

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the team that talked us into let's
oh, we got to finish our breakfast

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and we last year we hit the
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That's like a pretty close to a
direct quote. Yeah, so he really,

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he really gasoled us pretty hard there
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us. I feel hoodwinked, bamboozled, oozled, shenanigans were enacted upon us,

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all all those terrible things. Would
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our exact what we projected these teams
to win. So would you like to

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know those sure? I had the
thunder at forty one? Oh, you

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were a little bit more generous and
had them at forty four, okay,

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and then the Timberwolves. I had
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looks comically bad, and you have
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would love to go back and listen
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the skepticism though you said it like
they didn't learn anything about the team last

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year really because they just got the
guys that matter just weren't out there at

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the same time for long enough.
So we wanted to highlight the five biggest

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overachievers and underachievers, but there ended
up being a four way tie for the

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third biggest overachievers. So we're gonna
go six deep in each category. There

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are four teams Grant who have exceeded
win total expectations by their over and under.

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They've exceeded they're over and under from
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wins. How many of them can
you guess? Let's just go one.

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We'll talk about each team individually,
but let's say get well, I said

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Houston before I'm gonna say Houston again. Is that one of them? It

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is not. No, I'm just
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then, because they've just won so
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were right. It was it was
Houston excellent, So Houston, and I

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mean, I'm gonna throw Boston up
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So you guess two of them correctly, two of the two of the four

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spot on which team did you want
to? You know? The which team's

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more surprising to you? I had? I went under. I guess I'll

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comment dear A Monopolis the discussion.
I went under on the Celtics. I

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was clearly wrong. Uh. And
I was also a skeptic of the Porzingis

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trade and what they did. I
had them winning and they got them winning

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fifty two, which is just not
like there's a blitter that Obviously in February,

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I had him for fifty eight.
They beat that too, So I

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think I had the Rockets. It
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I'm looking at it now, I
was thirty one and a half. I

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had the over, but I had
the Rockets at thirty two wins. I

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had the under and had them at
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the defense coming together like this.
Uh. And I think we both could

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have been okay. Albert and Schegou
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have said that Jollen Green had the
type of season that he did for majority

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of it, I would have felt
very confident in my underpick. But just

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having Dylan Brooks, Fred van Fleet
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you did see from Tarry easton,
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I don't think we've talked about We
talked about him at length on the

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most improved when we were talking about
whatever you were talking about. But for

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most of the season we didn't talk
much about Jabari Smith Junior, and he

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just improved in sort of every facet. So with Houston it was I didn't

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see the defense being this good.
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a skeptic of the Porzingis trade.
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Did I expect that all to pan
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whar I think some people might just
be argue they are the inevitable Eastern Conference

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championship. No, I didn't.
I didn't have them as that. No,

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certainly not. Yeah, I think
I was a little higher. I

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get obvious it must have been because
I had I had him for quite a

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few more wins than you did.
I think I recognized the poor zingis like

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the risks, but I mean,
you no one could have imagined other than

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Brad Stevens. I guess that like
he would just be this this like cheat

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code against switches and just totally elevate
the team and holiday would you know,

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dramatically reduce his statistical impact. But
you know, matter in a huge way.

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And yeah, I don't think anybody
saw it going quite this well so,

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but but like it feels legit.
It's not to say that there's any

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smoke and mirrors involved in Boston at
all. I think they just are.

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They hit the They hit the ninety
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They ate all their breakfast to mix
Oliver our men. Okay, two

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other teams have exceeded their win projection. They're over unders from the preseason by

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nine and a half. Or Orlando's
got to be one, right that it

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is one of the two. You
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mean, like maybe this is easier. I'm way better at this game than

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actually picking the magic they've been I
guess kind of what we would expect on

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offense, right, for the most
part, it's yeah, we expected,

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which is weird. They had basically
a top five defense for a huge chunk

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of last season. Why, I
mean, well, I mean this is

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with the caveat I did have them
going under. I had them at thirty

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six wins at a thirty seven and
a half over under. Yeah, you

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go over with them thirty eight,
so barely over the thirty seven and a

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half. Yeah? Is it just
because we could have even like the the

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method by which they have overachieved is
something that we would have accounted for,

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which is why this is such a
weird team. I guess I didn't see

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the offensive leap coming from Jalen Suggs, even though I was a little bit

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higher on him than you. Neither
of us were completely out on him,

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or at least I wasn't. But
I didn't see that coming. And we

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you know, if you would have
told me, Franz I when we was

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shooting like this all year, I
wouldn't have. I wouldn't have bought the

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magic as this team that is going
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Yeah, I mean I think I
probably was out on Jalen Suggs, Like

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I'm sure I was a lot on
him. Than than you were. Yeah,

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I think I mean getting you know, low minutes, but fairly consistent

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minutes from John Isaac. I think
has like you know, I definitely wrote

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him off, Yeah right, and
like why wouldn't Why wouldn't you have written

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him off? And I think,
like I'm trying to think what else they

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really got? Yeah, you know, I think they just succeeded. Like

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the best parts of the team were
even better than we expected, which is

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to say, just the defense and
the offense, you know, like the

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Sugs shooting, maybe just off at
the Wagner shooting and like there you go.

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That that just that's what happens when
you have an awesome defense in the

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offense is like just enough bank Carro
got better, Pop Palo bank Caaro got

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better. That was the other thing
I'll say is so I definitely didn't see

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the like the top to bottom defensive
talent on this team, where it's any

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Black comes in, he's excellent defender
already, remember when Wendell Carter Junior was

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injured, and like Gogo Batadze for
that Stretcher is one of the best rim

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protectors. They've gotten great minutes out
of Mo Wagner. This year, and

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I think bolt I think Palo Bank
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end two when you watch him.
So all of that sort of taking in

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is like, is we knew they
were going to be a really good defensive

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team, but we underestimated that the
biggest factor. Even let's look at Jalen

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Suggs. Did you think Jonathan Isaac
won't qualify? But if you looked at

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this and said, all things being
equal, everyone played in sixty five games,

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I don't think we predicted that there
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Defense caliber guys on this n Definitely. I mean, well, if you

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had said Jonathan Isaac is gonna play
sixty five games, you might have thought

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about it, but you okay,
if never, I would have said,

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fuck you, you know that's happened, No chance, Like that's that's what

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it didn't happen, But he did. I had written them off or I

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was just like, all these injuries, it's what is he gonna play?

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Is he even gonna be a fourteen
minute per game? God? Like he's

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been able to do that? Yeah? No, I think it's just the

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defense has been has been even better
than like your your it's kind of like

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the Celtics, except just in one
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would be good and it was great. Like maybe that's the simplest way to

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put it. There's one more team
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nine and a half, are on
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half. I'm looking at the these
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is it Indy, Oh you went
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Ok, is there? Can you
what did you not see? Well?

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I shouldn't say that. I think
we both went under on them. I

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know I did. Yeah, I
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to start and the finish of it
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you know, really high on him. Oh this guy's a really good

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offensive player. We did not see
him being a like, you know,

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short list MVP guy through February,
so that, I mean, that's just

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him as a driver of elite offense
was not something that I think was necessarily

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foreseeable. And then, like a
lot of guys like nem Hard was probably

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better than expected. Aaron Ne Smith
was better than expected. Nie Smith for

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sure is just like when you go
back of the ballot most improved Player yeah,

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that type of guy. You're trying
to think what else? I guess

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maybe we didn't price in they're gonna
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I don't think I was thinking of
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So I think I don't know what
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was there was I would say forty
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three third of the season or so
where Tyre's Haliburton was one of the three

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best players in basketball, right,
that's just not or three most value players

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in besketball. And that's not something
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both were. And I think we
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the Pacers Look Ahead with Kaitlyn Cooper
and it was she felt, wow,

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I don't want to put words in
her mouth, but that there might have

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been a rush to coordinate Indy among
certain people that it was Okay, this

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team has that megastar, but they're
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call it rebuilding, but they're gonna
be relying on Benedict Mather. And we

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thought Jaris Walker was gonna play more
than he did so far. It's funny,

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like we and now I'm remembering that
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like we kind of got into the
weeds of like exactly that, like,

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well, well but Matherin, you
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a catch and shoot guy. He
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and is Walker gonna help? And
like are they just kind of too

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small? And it's like none of
that matters if Tyre's Halbert is like the

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second best offensive player on planet Earth? For right, that was Wasn't that

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a discussion at one point was who's
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Like all the Nash comparisons were out
there, like it just he It's it's

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just a good reminder that like maybe
maybe focus on like the potentially bigger issues

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that are going to swing things for
a team than some of the smaller stuff.

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But the Halliburton leap was just not
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though like we're both super high on
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this was beyond him. Wind total
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get we need to we get sucked
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which I think ended up hurting us
this time in the win total department,

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maybe, but it was like their
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under. So we were wrong.
I want to make that clear. But

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it's their total number of wins right
now is not going to be some like

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they're not a fifty something win team. Although if Albert never gets hurt,

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mighta I mean, they were certainly
on pace. They're gonna what they're gonna

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be in the high they're on the
high forties now, like a couple more

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wins. I mean, yeah,
they they just I think maybe we might

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have also priced in a little bit
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into the skid season for them where
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yeah, and I the other thing, I don't want to step on this

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too much because we're gonna do the
one thing we got wrong about every NBA

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team around the end of the after
the regular season's over. I never would

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have guessed that they had the gall
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totally. Yeah, I think that's
a huge factor because we I think of

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anything, we imagined that they would
make the opposite kind of trade, like

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let's finally trade Miles Turner, let's
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about that is I don't know how
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I do think get factors in because
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the basers have lost, how much
worse are they if you left the previous

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iteration of them the way they were
with the I don't want to say the

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current version, but that post injury
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I just think I think it's it's
more that they didn't make the let's

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take a step back trade, which
seemed more likely than the to and they

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did with the buddy healed thing.
We haven't been great in Philly, but

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like that was something. So they
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Yeah. So there are two more
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the top eight, but they seeded
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Would you care to venture guess as
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these teams was on pace to maybe
win this entire fucking thing until the past

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month and a Half's well, that
gives it away a little bit. I

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think is that New Orleans No,
oh, no, hmmm, it's my

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first miss. Yeah, I don't
have any more guesses. I feel super

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confident in I guess. No,
it's not clear. I feel like I'm

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missing an obvious one. You are
going, I think you all are missing.

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You're just gonna have to tell me. The Clippers okay, yeah,

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they were like com Remember it was
like they could they be the like the

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two seed or whatever it was in
the Western Conference, and their defense kind

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of just fell off a cliff and
it wasn't The transition defense hasn't really been

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good that season to begin with.
Having I don't think anyone would have pret

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did that Kawhi Leonard would be playing
two thousand plus minutes and now he's out

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and it seems like they're being extra
cautious about it. No, not think

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he's going to clear two thousand minutes
so comfortably, probably make second team All

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NBA. I don't think anyone would
I think that. Look, the James

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Hardenrey we knew about already at that
point. Maybe I definitely didn't anticipate him

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adapting so well. I was never, oh, there's only one ball guy.

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I thought they'd be good. I
was more so, oh, there

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might be more of a of a
learning curve, and there was they lost

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what was it five straight or whatever, it was it straight and then six

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twenty six and five and then fell
off like big time. Was like four

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different seasons for them basically. But
I think that would be the biggest thing

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is that huge stretch with James Harden
was a part of and the way he

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adapted. And then I think Kawhi
just being this not just this good,

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but like this dominant for so much
of the season. That was it for

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me. I just I think I
just assumed Kawhi is just the days of

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this is the year he's healthy,
Like that year was never are gonna come

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and it did, and like he
was you said it, like this guy

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was a first team All NBA like
caliber guy for the vast majority of the

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season. Yeah, I went over
because they were forty five and a half

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and I only had them at forty
six wins and so that wins a lot.

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I missed this one badly. I
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Just a five hundred team. So
this next team to wrap up,

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and we'll go through every team very
quickly, but like these are just the

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biggest overachievers so relative to preseason projections. This team, I think we both

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I went under on missed it,
and they're gonna exceed their projected win total

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by between six seven, maybe even
eight. Is it the Knicks? No?

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Oh, no, I don't know. I don't have it. Oh

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dalla, it is Dallas, okay, and not something that like a team

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that just wasn't really in contention for
this until basically no, I wouldn't even

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say after the trade deadline. It
took a little while after that for it

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to come around. And that's just
the simple fact. Here is the Kyrie

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Irving Lugadanc just dynamic, which I
thought was fine last year, it's blossomed

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into just dominant. So that's a
big reason why maybe none of us thought

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it was going to be this dominant. And then Derek Lively being so good

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right off the bat helped him navigate
some rough stretches, not something I would

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have projected, Dante exem Derek Jones
Junior being impacts. And then the bigger

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thing is just what they did at
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When you look at Daniel Gafford and
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have played, Yeah, best defense
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they were like the stat was,
oh, their third in the league since

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the trade, since they got Washington
and Gafford, and now I think it's

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there actually number one. Honestly,
the most predictable thing about them is Luka

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Doncic. You could win if you
wanted to make the Army for an MVP,

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and he's the biggest reason why they're
here. But there's just so many

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other stuff on the margins that I
didn't even think to predict, and like

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no Kyrie distractions really like all year. I mean that was a big part

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of my skepticism. I had him
at forty two wins, so like not

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m at forty four. Yeah,
I mean we were in the same neighborhood

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there, I think it was there
were there were real reasons to be concerned.

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And then like you said, but
like Dante ExHAM, like from nowhere,

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just as back and matter, there's
a lot a comeback Player of the

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Year award? Would it be him? Would it be Isaac? Who?

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Who? Who got to be?
He was out of the league for multiple

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years, like he had the he
had like an Jonathan Isaac level set of

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injuries too. Before all this,
like it was. I mean, yeah,

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he's gotta he's gotta be the guy. Yeah, really really, it's

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gonna be Franknilkeina's Award next season coming. I can feel it. You ready

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to move on to the biggest underachievers
this year. Let's let's do it.

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So let's they there's only this one. Well, we'll go with the top

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ones anyway, But there were no
ties when we're looking at the top six

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to eight, but one team,
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Relative that are over under? I
think you could guess it. It

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has to be Memphis. Yeah,
it's Memphis, missing it by over seventeen

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wins. And by the way,
Grizzly fans should have been prepared for this.

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This is the fifth year in a
row I've gotten there over under wrong.

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But I had went under in every
single season prior I decided to go

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over this year, So you should
have just known that you were doomed from

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the moment I because and look,
it was modest. I thought. I

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knew there was probably gonna be some
drop off from them being the second best

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team in the West, but forty
five and a half felt like such a

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modest total. You did this is
really my takeaway for you. You are,

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I guess welcomed every single other Western
Conference team, But I'm sorry.

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I mean, it's just it's just
the injuries. Like I mean, they

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had one hundred and eighty seven million
players on the roster this season. It's

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it's bananas. Like the Morant suspension. I was not, I mean,

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like not ideal, sure, but
I definitely drank the Like Marcus Smart he

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can handle this for twenty five games
and then he won. I was out

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that trade. Yeah he couldn't and
then was hurt anyway, along with just

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every I mean, they hasn't been
before the season started. Brandon Clark was

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done last season, like it's just
now back. It was just, you

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know, a litany of injuries.
Two maybe three good things are coming out

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of this. So you know about
Vince Williams. That was not one of

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my primary two. But you have
Gigi Jackson and now a high lottery pick,

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and I think you Ggi Jackson would
be like, I don't know enough

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about this draft class any but would
he have been a top seven pick in

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this draftlats, I obnestly don't know. Pretty close. I don't know if

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you did a twenty twenty three NBA
re Draft. I wonder if he would

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he'd probably come close to going in
the lottery, you know, oh I

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think I mean if would he come
close to going lottery? Yes, like

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might have been in the lottery.
It's hard to think, like who you're

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kicking because this draft class is so
deep that that's probably like am I am

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I getting ahead of my skis?
He's not going in the second round?

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How about that? Like there's no
there's no chance of that. Wow,

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Okay, Grant, I need you
to tone down the spice. If he

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could, I'd really appreciate it.
Uh. This next team missed their win

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total bye projected fourteen, fifteen,
sixteen, whatever. And if you were

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watching at the beginning of this when
I spoiled it, you know who they

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are? Do you care to take
a guess on who it is? It

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is? The the Detroit Pistons.
How dare you? I just I mean,

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they weren't gonna be good, but
like the right the way, what

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was there over under twenty eight and
a half? Yeah, we both by

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the way, we both went under. Yeah, I mean that's a pretty

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low under. But like I think, I narrowly I thought they'd win in

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the twenties. I think, you
know, twenty five wins. Yeah,

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I had them at twenty eight.
They're gonna get halfway there. The reasons

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here are not just injuries. It's
that's what I mean. It's a malpractice

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of a roster construction slash. They
probably let Monti Williams get away with too

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much, like the Killian Hay stuff
at the beginning of the year. The

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other thing is is just how much
was like the lineups they were running.

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How much of that was a mandate
from the front office? Did they take

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too They took way too long to
get They did have boen By Danovitch,

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Okay, he missed a bunch of
time, so that didn't help. But

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like they took too long to get
floor spacing in there or run out their

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best basing lineups. And I would
say that they still went the entire season

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without running out some of their best
force basing lineups. Yeah, I used

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to. I said this a lot
last year or maybe two years ago.

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00:26:21,839 --> 00:26:23,319
Yeah, yeah, I know it
was last year about Jordan Pool where it's

408
00:26:23,319 --> 00:26:29,279
like I'm not saying this is sabotage, but like this is what sabotage would

409
00:26:29,279 --> 00:26:33,720
look like like it is indistinguishable from
it the way that the Pistons and Monty

410
00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:37,039
Williams put lineups together and the minutes
they chose to give guys, Like not

411
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,599
saying it's sabotage, but like,
if you were trying to torpedo a season,

412
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,599
that is what you would have done. You would have started Killian Hayes

413
00:26:44,079 --> 00:26:47,559
for what it was, it like
thirty some odd games of the first forty

414
00:26:47,599 --> 00:26:49,960
they played, and then you would
have put a star Thompson out there with

415
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,240
non shooters. You would have minimized
Jade and Ivy, you would have played

416
00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:56,880
two bigs all that, Like all
of this stuff was just like somewhere in

417
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,440
here is a team that wins twenty
five twenty eight games. I think they

418
00:27:00,599 --> 00:27:07,599
just they didn't for the complement.
So the stuff I didn't necessarily see coming,

419
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,319
and maybe I should have. I
didn't see this much regression from Jalen

420
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,640
Duran and I don't want to say
regression, but it did not feel like

421
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,640
Jay and Ivy really took many,
if any steps forward. And then just

422
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,200
just like not even being able to
trust him to hit a wide open three

423
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,880
is you know, pretty detrimental.
And I think the worst part is we

424
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:33,200
still don't really know if it's like
Jalen Duran just isn't that good and Jade

425
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,480
and Ivy just isn't that good,
or if they just weren't positioned to have

426
00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:40,319
any chance of success like that,
that is a true wasted year if you

427
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,200
don't get that information out of it. Yeah, that's a that's a great

428
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:51,720
point. Two teams are missed their
win totals by over ten left on the

429
00:27:51,759 --> 00:27:53,400
board. Would you care to guess
which ones they are? Is one of

430
00:27:53,440 --> 00:28:00,400
them? Atlanta? It is not? Oh uh hmmm, over ten?

431
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,559
Still among these teams? Charlotte,
Yes, Charlotte is a is one of

432
00:28:04,599 --> 00:28:07,359
them? There was another one,
but let's tell about Charlotte for a second.

433
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,559
It's an injury, right, mellow
Ball not really playing, Mark Williams

434
00:28:11,599 --> 00:28:15,559
not really playing Brandon Miller been better
than in spects her. They did.

435
00:28:15,559 --> 00:28:22,839
Also, they they steered into this
kid. Yep, I think like did

436
00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:25,880
they win? This is like how
long the season is felt? Jim Booknight

437
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,680
got waived this year? Is that
right? I think I was traded to

438
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,400
the Celtics. Oh he did?
No? Oh no, that was oh

439
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,279
my god? Sorry James Bringer,
Okay, yeah, James Springer is not

440
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,720
on the Hornets. Oh man,
you could have You could have really had

441
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:45,319
me gone if you committed to that. I went over on them because they

442
00:28:45,319 --> 00:28:48,200
were thirty and a half because I'm
just a big believer in LaMelo, And

443
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,279
honestly, if they don't make I
guess I don't know how to square it

444
00:28:51,359 --> 00:28:55,160
with them making would they have made
their trades anyway? But LaMelo, like

445
00:28:55,319 --> 00:28:57,160
getting to the rim war was still
wasn't finishing well. But just like what

446
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:02,759
he can still do as a passer
and a shooter I we've already talked about.

447
00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:03,960
I don't think they need to choose
between him and Brandon Miller. They

448
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,319
compliment each other quite nicely. They
have a nice base there right now.

449
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,839
I'm reticent to chalk this up completely
to injuries, but I am curious to

450
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,960
see if Lamello doesn't get hurt,
so forget about Mark Williams and some of

451
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,440
the other injuries they dealt with.
Does the Terry Rozier trade still happen?

452
00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:22,960
Does the Gordon Hayward trade still happen? And he was injured at the time

453
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,039
when they moved him anyway, or
at least not playing. And I honestly

454
00:29:26,039 --> 00:29:27,960
don't know because there was new ownership
in there, so I do kind of

455
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:32,799
feel like they might have gone this
route anyway. Maybe, So this is

456
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:37,680
I think this is my biggest Like
the Grizzlies miss is. There's an excuse.

457
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,200
I had Charlotte winning forty games,
and I think I got hung up

458
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:47,359
on LaMelo Ball was an All Star
at twenty for a team that won thirty

459
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,559
nine thirty seven. You were still
maybe you're still just riding that James wisemanu

460
00:29:51,559 --> 00:29:53,400
ate number two low. I think, yeah, I mean I could have

461
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,720
put me on tilt for a while. It's hard to know what the long

462
00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:57,960
term repercussion is. It's like,
no, I'm not even ture. I'm

463
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:03,359
off till I may still be on
it. But like you can make I'm

464
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,440
sure the case I've made was like, well, LaMelo is going to take

465
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,319
a step, He's not gonna get
hurt again. Surely he's not gonna blow

466
00:30:08,319 --> 00:30:12,160
his ankle out again. Brandon Miller
whatever, Miles Bridges is back, Gordon

467
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,039
Hayward might get healthy. They have
Williams and Richards in the middle, like

468
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:21,559
Rosier is a real NBA player,
Like there still I was dead wrong,

469
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:26,240
but I think I could definitely understand
why I thought they would be just slightly

470
00:30:26,319 --> 00:30:30,400
under five hundred. Yeah, I
mean, I don't know. Steve Clifford's

471
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,960
not gonna he's, you know,
not gonna want to preside over a tank

472
00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:36,319
season. It turns out they just
didn't have a choice because the Lamello injury,

473
00:30:36,359 --> 00:30:38,160
I think, just made it so
they had one option. But man,

474
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,920
I missed that one badly. What's
the other team missing their projected win

475
00:30:44,039 --> 00:30:48,880
total by over ten? Oh,
let's see, there's so many candidates here.

476
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:53,440
Over ten though? Is it the
Bucks? Are they gonna fall under

477
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,319
by that? We did miss on
them pretty badly. Yeah, we did,

478
00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:02,799
Brooklyn. Nope, I don't know. Now I'm just throwing darts.

479
00:31:02,839 --> 00:31:06,200
Who I think it's the Raptors,
Okay, oh god damn it. Yeah,

480
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,559
of course, so they they were
when we did it. Theirs was

481
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,920
and we thought it was too low
because they were at what were they at

482
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:18,160
thirty six? And I had Yeah, and I had them, I thought

483
00:31:18,519 --> 00:31:21,880
I did not think I actually had
them at thirty eight. So it's not

484
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:22,960
like I thought they were gonna blow
it out of the water, but I

485
00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:29,000
thought they probably weren't going to make
the trades that they did to sell jobs,

486
00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:33,440
and then even after I will say
the Siakam trade was like the bridge

487
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,799
too far. That's okay, you
knew they were gonna but after the had

488
00:31:37,799 --> 00:31:41,799
everyone stayed healthy after the Nanobe trade
and they kept Siakam, they still would

489
00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:44,599
have had a chance at clearing the
over and maybe look, who knows what

490
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,200
could have happened technically if they don't
deal with absences from Scottie Barnes specifically,

491
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,640
but also Mana quickly RJ. Barrett, he's a Yaka Peertle all that stuff.

492
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,680
I just didn't believe that they were
going to trade. You might have

493
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,000
been able to convince me on one, but both of Siakam and Ananobe.

494
00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:01,240
I definitely did not think they were
going to go that route. Yeah,

495
00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:07,039
pretty off brand for them based on
their recent history of not trading Van Vleet,

496
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,559
not doing anything with Gary Trent Junior
and he's still there by the way,

497
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,279
But yeah, no, I had
them. I was even higher on

498
00:32:13,319 --> 00:32:16,039
them than you had them at forty
three wins. I just thought they were

499
00:32:16,039 --> 00:32:19,720
like, they're definitely going to be
a top eight team in the East,

500
00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:22,240
Like that's just that's what they're going
to try to do because they don't sell

501
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:27,880
off, and then they did,
So we have four more underachievers to go

502
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,759
through. We could do it.
I could give you the win range for

503
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:32,440
each of them, or just based
off of if you just want to go

504
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:37,599
biggest underachievers relative to their projected wind
totals, who do you? I mean,

505
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,640
I keep saying Atlanta, Atlanta has
to be one of the underachievers,

506
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,119
right because we didn't they have like
a oh no, you know what they

507
00:32:43,119 --> 00:32:45,799
had a I think we killed the
over. We banged the over on that

508
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,960
because like, oh it was low, So maybe I'm not that's a dumb

509
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,680
pick to keep picking them. They
were, So they're over under. Was

510
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,720
it forty one and a half or
was it thirty? Yeah, it was

511
00:32:57,759 --> 00:33:00,440
forty one and a half when we
recorded, and we both I took the

512
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:06,000
over at forty three. They are
not one of the answers though at four

513
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:13,359
four other teams. Who is also
gonna be way under? Hmm? I

514
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,759
mean are the Warriors one of the
way under teams? Nope? No,

515
00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:21,000
I'm just guessing now Phoenix h No. Yeah, go ahead and tell me,

516
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:22,559
do you want to go from low
to high or high? Low to

517
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:29,920
high? Okay, so, uh, excuse, So this team missed by

518
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,920
or are they two teams though it's
only one so the nets were close by

519
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,759
the way, they would have been
one of the next ones up along with

520
00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:39,160
Phoenix. So you lose in Atlanta, so you're up. This one is

521
00:33:39,359 --> 00:33:44,279
the one that missed by the by
the fewest. Uh. It was five

522
00:33:44,319 --> 00:33:49,400
and a half and it is the
Utah Jazz. Oh what a weird year.

523
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,119
Though. Yeah, they would have
ended up here. We both went

524
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,920
under on them, so we were
right. They would have ended up here

525
00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:00,640
no matter what. It's just a
matter of how many wins would they have

526
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:05,079
missed by because they did the mid
season tear down again the rotation thing with

527
00:34:05,119 --> 00:34:08,039
who they were playing the shift.
But they had a stretch I don't remember

528
00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:12,239
it was it back in January or
was that December, whatever it was where

529
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,960
they looked they were like in the
playoff picture. Yeah, well like they

530
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:21,639
I don't know, they they could
spook you because last year they did the

531
00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:23,840
like, oh no, we're too
good, and then they didn't, you

532
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:28,719
know, stop that from happening soon
enough. So you always at least I

533
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,239
thought like, well, maybe that's
how it's just gonna go they're gonna if

534
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,639
they're good, they're not gonna like
get in their own way, and they

535
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,400
very much got in their own way
this year on purpose, which was like

536
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,480
I think we generally view as the
correct decision. If you're gonna be bad,

537
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:42,800
try to be as bad as possible. But yeah, I think last

538
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:49,360
year kind of put more options on
the table. This next team, missing

539
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,639
it by about between six and eight
wins. I thought you would have gotten

540
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:59,599
them the Portland Trailblazers, which is
just like they dealt with injuries galore.

541
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:02,719
We both had them as the under
I believe anyway. But when you start

542
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:07,920
to dig into, like, you
know, just the the breadth of people

543
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,800
that have missed, some of them
have been shut down, but looking at

544
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:13,159
the Brogden, the eight and stuff, Robert Williams being out for basically the

545
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,800
entire season. So they just Simons
has miss times, Scoot Henderson missed time

546
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:21,559
to start the year, Shade Sharp
missed a bunch of time. Yeah,

547
00:35:21,559 --> 00:35:24,840
so they I mean Jeremy Green.
Yeah. So it's just like even relative

548
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:29,400
to a their their over under was
said at twenty eight and a half.

549
00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:31,760
It was just they were probably always
gonna end up here because we thought they

550
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:36,880
might shut guys down, but they
then dealt with a lot more on set

551
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,599
injuries than we would have expected it. Maybe we should have seen that coming

552
00:35:38,679 --> 00:35:43,760
just based off who was on the
roster. Yeah, really, Malcolm Brogden.

553
00:35:44,119 --> 00:35:46,519
Yeah, if you're in the Brogden
and Robert Williams business, you should

554
00:35:46,519 --> 00:35:51,719
be assuming injuries. I guess at
this point. I And so the next

555
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,760
second to two more teams here.
The other team they're over under was twenty

556
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:59,440
eight and a half. I'm surprised
that both of us went under on them,

557
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,639
by the way, just given how
high we were on one Victor Webenyama

558
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:09,159
the San Antonio Spurs. Yeah,
I mean I can't say that we like,

559
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,960
would you say that Wembenyama was like
significantly better than you thought he'd be

560
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:19,199
by for sure? Did you think
he was gonna shoot like forty percent on

561
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,880
pull up threes for most of the
year? No, But I did.

562
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,599
I think you could have told me
anything and I yeah, okay, he

563
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,880
might do that. So so for
them to still go under by that much

564
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,480
is kind of wild to me because
it's hard to it's hard to hold the

565
00:36:32,039 --> 00:36:37,159
dueling ideas of like he's gonna be
phenomenal and you know, generational, and

566
00:36:37,199 --> 00:36:40,800
also the Spurs are gonna super suck. I think the two things that did

567
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:45,280
them in. But they probably don't
care because they're hello draft equity. But

568
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:51,119
was the Jeremy Sohan at point guard
experiment was a disaster and I thought I

569
00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:54,039
thought that was gonna end up fine, by the way, but try they

570
00:36:54,159 --> 00:36:58,280
just aside from they did have some
time and it took too long to get

571
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,599
Trey Jones into the their prominent lineups. But it was like the Zach Collins

572
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:07,880
Webyama thing. But it's also just
look at the talent after their what top

573
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,559
you've there have been some bright spots
this year, but there's Devin Veceel,

574
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:15,199
Victor Wenbenyama, Trey Jones, Heldon
Johnson, and then like like a bunch

575
00:37:15,199 --> 00:37:19,480
of like yeah, okay, maybe
some like you know, seeing Blake Wesley

576
00:37:19,559 --> 00:37:22,880
take some steps this year. Malchi
Brandham was pretty bad for most of the

577
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:28,079
yearbouts and bright spots, it was
just they were a bad team outside of

578
00:37:28,119 --> 00:37:31,000
their top three or four best guys. Yeah, and like you said,

579
00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:35,880
it's a combo, it's it's personnel, and it's like they did not deploy

580
00:37:36,159 --> 00:37:39,639
the personnel they had in like the
most sensible ways. I think it is

581
00:37:39,679 --> 00:37:45,199
a combined effect to like to offset
when Binyama being, you know, meeting

582
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:51,800
the high end of expectations, the
fifth biggest underachiever on the season, and

583
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:57,320
to round out the eighth the Washington
Wizards, which we both did go under

584
00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:01,760
on them. I just were they
worse than you? Like, well obviously,

585
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:06,239
but were they I had them winning. I had them winning eighteen,

586
00:38:07,679 --> 00:38:10,519
which is just like that's actually not
through bad relatively with it. But they

587
00:38:10,519 --> 00:38:15,000
were even worse than I expected.
And a lot of that had to do

588
00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:21,639
with the I mean, it was
just they weren't. They weren't. So

589
00:38:21,679 --> 00:38:23,000
when you watch the Wizards, when
I'm trying to get at the people that

590
00:38:23,039 --> 00:38:27,280
were actually turning my heads, and
you told me Denny Avda and Blagkuabali were

591
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,079
as good as they were. There
was some trade okay, that Daniel Gafford

592
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:34,480
trade yet made them a little bit
worse. But Kyle Kuzma had a pretty

593
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,480
good year for much of the season. It was did I expect Jordan Pool

594
00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:39,920
to be this bad while he was
there and then to be that hard up

595
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:44,679
for just like knowing Tyas Jones would
have spent the whole season there to be

596
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,320
that hard up for an organizer.
Even after they kind of went through the

597
00:38:47,519 --> 00:38:52,320
you know, the the injury gamut. I think there's been you know,

598
00:38:52,000 --> 00:39:00,039
discovering guys like Jules Bernard, a
favorite of mine, justin CHAMPENNI like,

599
00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:02,760
so now they have some information on
players who might be able to contribute over

600
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:07,760
the longer term. But I just
they were worse than I were expected,

601
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,920
and they were They became a meme
at a point in the season, and

602
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:15,679
it ends up costing west Unseel Junior
his job. We'll see which direction they

603
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:16,960
go in now. Will be Brian
Keith, we don't know. They say

604
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,599
he's a real candidate. We'll have
to see what goes on with that.

605
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,559
But this team was just I still
don't even have a great feel. But

606
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:27,440
I do think what they did in
the aggregate was the right call. Where

607
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,800
it's they ripped off the band aid. They sucked and it was you know,

608
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,920
they might have Okay, they sucked
by like eight nine ten wins,

609
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:37,079
maybe more than projections were spinning out. Would you have been though, if

610
00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:40,639
I told you Tias Jones and Kyle
Kuzma and Jordan Poole spent the entire season

611
00:39:40,639 --> 00:39:45,480
in Washington. Would you have been
shocked that they ended up this, you

612
00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:47,440
know, to miss the mark by
this one. Yeah, because like it's

613
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,880
so hard to project a team to
have a win total in the teens,

614
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,360
like, let alone, like fifteen
right now I think is where they're at.

615
00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:59,039
Yeah, you would assume Tias Jones, adults in the room, caretaker

616
00:39:59,079 --> 00:40:01,639
doesn't turn it over. Okay,
fine, Jordan Poole is gonna average twenty

617
00:40:01,679 --> 00:40:06,719
eight, but like do it inefficiently. I think the only way I would

618
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,880
have definitely gone into the teens is
like all that stuff's gonna go wrong.

619
00:40:12,039 --> 00:40:15,480
And also they're gonna trade Kuzma,
and they're gonna trade Jones, and they're

620
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,639
gonna like they're gonna strip out.
They did make a couple of trades,

621
00:40:17,679 --> 00:40:22,840
but like it's just it would have
been everything's gotta go wrong, which it

622
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:27,880
did for a team to win this
little, uh this few games. Are

623
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,920
you ready for the big reveal on
how close good or bad every single team

624
00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:37,599
was? So they're over under in
the pro let's do it? Boom?

625
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:42,320
Oh look at that. So anything
else sort of stand out to you here?

626
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,599
Shout out to the Bulls for being
in that. Plus the Calves were

627
00:40:46,679 --> 00:40:50,119
big one. They're not gonna miss
there. We both had the over.

628
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,599
We thought they were gonna be a
fifty win team. It was rough showing

629
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:55,760
for them. It was injuries.
But I think a lot of it too,

630
00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:00,719
is it's not about any of the
individual I think Evan Mobley is still

631
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,519
good. We've also seen some big
to big stuff, but it's just their

632
00:41:02,559 --> 00:41:10,719
core four together. It feels like
you're conceding something when you're optimizing another two

633
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,280
or another something like okay, So
here's an example. If you're gonna run

634
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,480
stuff between Jared Allen and Evan Mobley
that those two guys involved, you're kind

635
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:22,639
of like marginalizing one, if not
both, of Donovan Mitchell and Darius Garland

636
00:41:22,639 --> 00:41:24,199
in those instances. Maybe not both
because one of those is gonna have to

637
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:29,320
get those guys the ball. But
like the Darius Garland weird season, and

638
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:35,000
it's just it's weird to me though
that what's carried them were their stretches where

639
00:41:35,039 --> 00:41:37,639
they were shorthanded, like just where
they were it was Donovan Mitchell and Jared

640
00:41:37,679 --> 00:41:43,480
Allen when Garland and MOBILEI missed that
time. Basically, Yeah, weird and

641
00:41:44,199 --> 00:41:47,760
concerning because like that that is not
the theory of this team, or at

642
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,360
least hasn't been so far. I
think it's interesting just kind of looking at

643
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:57,360
like your Miami's, your Lakers,
your Warriors. I'm trying to think who

644
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,360
else is. By the way,
the Lakers over under was way too fucking

645
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,159
high if they didn't clear the over
because they had a way better season than

646
00:42:02,199 --> 00:42:06,599
I expected. Yeah, and the
Knicks too. Like so some of those

647
00:42:06,639 --> 00:42:09,199
really public teams, those are some
of the closest numbers, which just goes

648
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:14,559
to show, like don't bet on
those teams because the odds makers know what

649
00:42:14,639 --> 00:42:17,960
is gonna happen to these like these
big market, like heavily bet teams.

650
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:22,280
It seems like because the Lakers,
other than what the Heat and the Bulls

651
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,880
are the only teams that are within
a win and then the Lakers are the

652
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:32,480
next closest. The Heater are interesting
plus three like gonna beat their total by

653
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:38,119
three four wins when they Robinson out
like so much of the season, three

654
00:42:38,199 --> 00:42:44,039
of their five starters planned starters just
weren't available. It's so weird that like

655
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:50,199
the Knicks are going to Yeah,
they're gonna exceed their projected wins with all

656
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,199
that going wrong, and yet it
still sort of feels like I was I

657
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:57,840
wanted to pick them for the team
that like, I don't know how the

658
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,400
pulse, the whole vibe of the
Knicks really like confusing this year just because

659
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:06,519
of the injuries because Brunson was so
transcendent, and then like they're gonna win

660
00:43:06,559 --> 00:43:09,039
more than they were expected to and
you in a million years you never would

661
00:43:09,039 --> 00:43:14,280
have expect would have guessed that if
you had priced in the injuries that they

662
00:43:14,639 --> 00:43:21,199
under that they suffered. It's so
on brand for the Pelicans that it feels

663
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,400
like they're a team that could not
even make it to the playoffs basically,

664
00:43:25,559 --> 00:43:30,960
but also win the title and they're
within five wins of just what they're particularly.

665
00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:32,360
That's just so on brand that might
even be a little high. Would

666
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,159
have expect them to be like one
of the one point five teams, right,

667
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,679
Yeah, well they were another of
the forty four and a half group

668
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:44,639
that I guess of those like what
the thunder exceeded that total by more,

669
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:49,119
But yeah, it's they're kind of
nixy in that it's like this year's felt

670
00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:52,320
like like a triumph at times and
then also as like, it's also kind

671
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,599
of seems disappointing at times just they've
had such streaks and like so many ups

672
00:43:55,639 --> 00:44:01,079
and downs. Although like I think, I mean, if you really want

673
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:06,679
to simplify it, Zion mostly stayed
healthy and Ingram mostly stayed healthy. And

674
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,360
so that's how you exceed a win
a win total that assumes neither of those

675
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,159
guys are gonna be healthy for as
much as as much of the season as

676
00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:16,239
they were. Philly was on pace
to obliterate Theirs before the Embiid injury.

677
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:21,159
So and in fact, they're still
ending up within the ballpark of their over

678
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,320
unders impressive Phoenix being like five wins
away off their pace, that's pretty bad.

679
00:44:25,559 --> 00:44:29,400
I'm not gonna lie. Yeah,
that's uh, that's not what you

680
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,360
want. I will run out to
the Nuggets though, for being basically five

681
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:35,920
wins better than their projected everyone was
kind of just like, oh, they've

682
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,360
had these long postseason pushes and there's
gonna be that championship hangover. I smashed

683
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:44,320
the under without uh wow, I
smashed the over without hesitation on them?

684
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,280
I think, did I end up
being actually too optimistic on them? What

685
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:52,559
did I have them for? With
their with uh, with my actual wind

686
00:44:52,639 --> 00:44:54,519
projection, So they're over. Under
was fifty two and a half. I

687
00:44:54,559 --> 00:44:59,400
had them at fifty one on the
exact thinking you just outlined of like they're

688
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,760
gonna coast, they don't care,
they know what they are, They're just

689
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:07,239
going to get to the playoffs and
and then start kicking ass. Fifty four.

690
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,280
So I wasn't even optimistic enough on
this. Well you were over though,

691
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,599
I mean, yeah, I mean
you're going to exceed. You're optimistic

692
00:45:13,679 --> 00:45:17,280
over. I guess anything else kind
of stand out here that you think is

693
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:23,239
worth pointing out? Who have we
not talked about here? Let's see.

694
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:30,800
I mean, so just dead on
that the Bulls are point five over,

695
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:37,440
like they're just than the heat is
just like the heat being so close but

696
00:45:37,639 --> 00:45:42,159
like in the net positive. It
is just like this season that they've had

697
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:47,119
where it feels like they've anecdotally just
had the most caveats, or not the

698
00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:50,320
the most, but among the most
caveats. It's, oh no, the

699
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,239
heat are just gonna st clear.
They're they're over apparently. I think the

700
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,639
Kings beating their number by a couple
wins is interesting because I feel like the

701
00:45:57,679 --> 00:46:01,480
consensus was, you know, they
were super healthy last year. That wouldn't

702
00:46:01,519 --> 00:46:06,400
sustain they're off They weren't going to
have the best offense in the world again,

703
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,800
and they didn't. And yet they're
still in what I think most people

704
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:13,159
would call it tougher West are going
to beat their number. That's kind of

705
00:46:13,199 --> 00:46:16,320
surprising, the Warriors being so close
to their total. I think shows that

706
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:21,360
Vegas was on and you were pretty
you were pretty adamant about their over right,

707
00:46:21,519 --> 00:46:22,599
I really was, Yeah, well, I mean, well, I'm

708
00:46:22,639 --> 00:46:27,320
gonna save it for are what we
got wrong? Pod? But yeah,

709
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,440
I just forty eight and a half. Even I'm looking at it, I'm

710
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,519
like, wow, I can't believe
it was that high after sort of living

711
00:46:32,519 --> 00:46:37,159
through this season. Yeah, I
had them over Yeah, I had them

712
00:46:37,159 --> 00:46:42,960
winning fifty one. I think if
I'm seeing this correctly, they I mean

713
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,719
they they could win. What do
they got two more? I think they'd

714
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,199
get into the high forties here.
But like the way they have gotten there

715
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,159
in no way resembles what you would
have assumed was the way that they were

716
00:46:52,159 --> 00:46:57,280
going to get there, Like it
just yeah, I'll say I'll save it.

717
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,519
But like the ways that you assumed
Golden State was gonna be good like

718
00:47:00,639 --> 00:47:06,280
none of those happened this year.
I was apparently too optimistic with Brooklyn at

719
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,000
thirty seven wins. By the way, I think I probably did I go

720
00:47:09,079 --> 00:47:13,559
over to Oh No, I went
under with Brooklyn, but they were thirty

721
00:47:13,559 --> 00:47:16,840
seven and a half and I went
thirty seven too optimistic. I was even

722
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:21,559
more optimistic. I had him at
forty one, and I was very sure

723
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:24,119
that this defense was going to be
hilaciously good, and a lot of that

724
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:29,840
was Michel Bridges would not take a
step back, Ben Simmons would play basketball,

725
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,239
Nick Claxton would be in the defensive
player of the year conversation. Just

726
00:47:34,559 --> 00:47:37,920
a lot of misses there, So
let's hold ourselves accountable here. I went

727
00:47:38,119 --> 00:47:44,159
thirteen and seventeen on the over under
records. That is tied for the second

728
00:47:44,159 --> 00:47:46,599
lowest mark among all our submissions.
Among the audience, the worst mark.

729
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:52,559
I won't name the person. They
went eleven and nineteen. We'll just privately

730
00:47:52,599 --> 00:47:54,800
shame this person, not publicly.
I can't even privately. I was too

731
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,519
off their pace, so I'm not
I'm not privately shaming or publicly sham in

732
00:47:58,599 --> 00:48:02,320
anybody. You went fifteen and fifteen, so you still did finish five hundred.

733
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,519
You are, in essence, the
Chicago Bulls. I feel very bullsy

734
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:12,480
right now. The was not my
goal. I didn't want this. The

735
00:48:12,519 --> 00:48:15,039
bulls want this. Are you ready
for the reveal of who won this?

736
00:48:15,199 --> 00:48:21,559
Want to figure out maybe we could
send you assuming you're still listening. This

737
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:22,880
person is still active in discord.
I believe, well, if you beat

738
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,199
us by this much, why would
you care what we had to say?

739
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:31,719
That's also fair. But the winner
of the over under competition is JT.

740
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:39,719
Alexander went twenty two and eight.
That's solid, that's impressive, two wins

741
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:44,440
clear of second place. Yeah,
and then shout out we had another twenty

742
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,079
winner, Austin went twenty and ten. That was the second best mark among

743
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:52,719
all this. So shout out to
everyone who participated. If we run it

744
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:53,880
next year. This ended up actually
being a lot of work for me when

745
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,920
you're looking at the graphic and setting
it up and then checking everyone's stuff.

746
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,119
But join our discord and maybe we'll
do it next year. If I remember

747
00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:09,800
in community keeps trying to grow time
for guess a player, Mister Grant Hughes,

748
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,920
did you want to start us off? Well, okay, I have

749
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:20,800
hot off the presses here from Mike. I'm excited about this one, Dan.

750
00:49:21,519 --> 00:49:23,760
Clue number one. I was drafted
in two thousand and four, coming

751
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:28,480
straight out of high school by the
Celtics, becoming the first ever high schooler

752
00:49:28,599 --> 00:49:37,119
drafted by Boston two thousand and four
by the Celtics, the first high schooler

753
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:43,840
ever drafted by the Celtics, Young
Celtics. Why do I feel like I

754
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,880
should know two thousand and four Rondo
didn't come out of high school, did

755
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:52,000
he? No? I use a
Kentucky guy. Yeah, okay, that's

756
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,920
a good point, all right.
There on Clue number two, injuries limited

757
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:59,440
me in my first season to only
fifty nine games as I battled ankle injuries

758
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:08,480
before tearing my meniscus. Oh,
I just I don't, Antoine Walker,

759
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:13,079
I have no idea. No,
okay? Uh. Three. The Celtics

760
00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:15,320
viewed my conditioning as a huge issue, so they hired me a personal chef

761
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:20,320
to help me lose thirty pounds.
That might have made me guess, Anthoine

762
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:29,880
Walker want to double down? No? No, was he grafted by the

763
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,000
Thunder I can't. Yeah, I
think I know. That's a good guess.

764
00:50:32,039 --> 00:50:35,840
I think he was. He was
out of high school. I think

765
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:42,000
and he was. I think a
Celtics pick. I think it's later though,

766
00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:45,800
all right, clue number four.
I made my first start against the

767
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:50,119
Grizzlies in two thousand and six due
to THEO Ratleff and a fellow guess a

768
00:50:50,159 --> 00:50:53,679
player, Michael ol Candy being injured. That's tough, you're not gonna help

769
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:59,159
you. In seven, I was
traded in one of the deals that put

770
00:50:59,199 --> 00:51:01,960
together the big three of KG,
Ray Allen and the man who believes that

771
00:51:02,039 --> 00:51:07,039
Rudy Gobert being French is an affront
to basketball. Wait read that one again.

772
00:51:07,519 --> 00:51:12,880
That's like Mike's editorializing a little bit. Uh. In two thousand and

773
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,760
seven, I was traded in one
of the deals that put together the big

774
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:20,960
three of KG, Ray Allen and
the man who believes that Rudy Gobert being

775
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,360
French isn't affront to basketball. I
assume that's Paul Pierce. So is he's

776
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:29,119
traded in one of the deals that
brings the big three in Boston together?

777
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,559
Because he's traded in one of the
deals that gets them Kevin Garnett and Ray

778
00:51:31,559 --> 00:51:37,639
Allen. Uh yeah, I guess
yeah. I don't feel like I'm giving

779
00:51:37,639 --> 00:51:39,280
it away. By saying yes to
that. No, wait, I'm sorry.

780
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:45,960
Is he he was traded? This
person's on the Celtics and was traded

781
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:47,920
to get the big three in Boston, not the big three in Brooklyn.

782
00:51:49,519 --> 00:51:53,559
Correct, okay, and it doesn't
know. I don't really know what that.

783
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,559
I mean, Like, I mean, that's a pretty good clue.

784
00:51:57,599 --> 00:52:05,039
I feel like if you you know
enough now, I think too trying to

785
00:52:05,079 --> 00:52:12,400
think of who was involved in that
trade, and I can't drafted Sebastian Telfair.

786
00:52:12,519 --> 00:52:15,280
Was he like would see him?
I don't, I don't. It

787
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:21,519
is not Sebastian Telfair, but I
think he did. I can't. I

788
00:52:21,519 --> 00:52:23,360
don't want to say. I don't
want to think he keep going all right?

789
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,960
Uh? CLU six. Immediately after
being traded, I signed a five

790
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,760
year, sixty five million dollar contract
extension with my new team. I went

791
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,920
on to be one of four players
in the league to average twenty to ten

792
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:43,079
that season. Al Jefferson correct,
okay, yeah, I was gonna say,

793
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,559
okay, so then CLU seven.
Next season, I tore my ACL

794
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:50,199
during career year year after, I
set the franchise record for rebounds in a

795
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,679
game with twenty six in July twenty
ten, I was traded to a division

796
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:58,599
rival for two first and Coast of
Kupos. Injuries plagued my time there early

797
00:52:58,639 --> 00:53:01,719
on. I don't know where that
is is. Thirteen, I signed a

798
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:07,440
three or forty point five million dollars
contract with the Bobcats. Though you could

799
00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:10,880
argue I'm a top three player in
Bobcat Hornets Hornet's history, I'm perhaps best

800
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:15,320
known for my god awful voice acting
in the NBA two K fifteen. My

801
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,719
player story mode did not know that, did not know he was incredible?

802
00:53:19,199 --> 00:53:22,480
With a YouTube link, I'm gonna
have to click on that later, let's

803
00:53:22,519 --> 00:53:24,719
see. Yeah, it's Al Jefferson. I was gonna say, didn't they

804
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:30,639
Wasn't he one of the guys with
Charlotte. I think after they became the

805
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:36,960
Hornets who Charlotte did like they were
sending out like paint cans as like promotional

806
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:42,840
material for him to win some award
because like he dominated the paint or something.

807
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,840
You remember hearing about that. No, all right, good job,

808
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:51,920
you got it. Okay, I
got one for you for Rubik scal Okay.

809
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:57,199
What. I once appeared in a
minor league game for the Gustonia Rangers

810
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,440
in three innings, I struck out
four batters and allowed only one run.

811
00:54:00,679 --> 00:54:08,320
Move over, MJ. Who the
heck else played baseball? We're not going

812
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:15,159
back to the well on Danny Ainge. I hope no. Who else played

813
00:54:15,199 --> 00:54:22,719
baseball? All right? I don't
have it. I married my college sweetheart

814
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,719
and we have three children. The
boys took after me, while our daughter

815
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:34,159
played volleyball in college just like her
mama? Is it Dennis Rodman? No?

816
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,599
Okay? Clue three? But the
story isn't all roses and honey.

817
00:54:37,679 --> 00:54:42,840
We divorced after thirty three years.
My ex wife is in a relationship with

818
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:47,119
my former friend from college, ex
NFL or and Patriots tight end Stephen Johnson,

819
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:51,960
who she was having an affair with
prior to our divorce. I am

820
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,599
married to Nicki Smith, who just
so happens to be Stephen Johnson's ex wife.

821
00:54:57,199 --> 00:55:06,679
Oh interesting. See what was the
thing about the kids? They're they're

822
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,119
already so they're older. So this
is an older player. They have three

823
00:55:09,199 --> 00:55:15,159
children. The two boys took after
me, and our daughter played volleyball in

824
00:55:15,199 --> 00:55:24,159
college just like her. Mama.
Hmm, I don't have it. Clue

825
00:55:24,159 --> 00:55:28,440
four. If you absolutely insist,
we can talk basketball as well. Though

826
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,639
I also played for Utah, Cleveland, Milwaukee, and Toronto, I am

827
00:55:30,679 --> 00:55:37,239
most associated with this Eastern Conference team
Team X, Utah, Cleveland, Milwaukee,

828
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:45,320
Toronto and Team X. The Team
X thing always throws me because it's

829
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,960
like, Okay, if you give
me this team, I'm gonna definitely get

830
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:54,119
the player. But I never feel
like I would have based on the team,

831
00:55:54,440 --> 00:56:01,280
so that the baseball thing, Okay, I don't know. Clue five.

832
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:05,599
Team X used their first pick in
the expansion draft to select me.

833
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,199
I played ten seasons with them,
and when I left, I was Team

834
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:13,000
x's career leader in points scored,
games played, three pointers made, three

835
00:56:13,039 --> 00:56:20,320
pointers attempted, and three point percentage. I feel like I don't know the

836
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,239
year, so this could expansion could
be like friggin the magic or something.

837
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,840
I'm trying to reach your face to
see if the magic give something away,

838
00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:38,920
all right, I don't know.
Clu six. Given all that previous information,

839
00:56:39,039 --> 00:56:43,239
you may think I was a perennial
starter, but I started fewer than

840
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,639
one hundred times in my career,
although I played more than one thousand games

841
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,760
ps. I did, in fact
win a six Man of the Year award

842
00:56:49,800 --> 00:57:00,760
for Team X. No I just
have no dale. Ellis no, I

843
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,679
don't even know when we are right
now? Okay, even more clues,

844
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,039
all right, I don't feel like
there's going to be a dead giveaway.

845
00:57:07,159 --> 00:57:10,559
Rubic scale doesn't do the dead giveaways. Clue seven. I shot above forty

846
00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:15,280
percent from three for eight consecutive seasons
and led the league once with forty seven

847
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:19,920
point six percent from distance. I
am one of only twenty eight NBA players

848
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:25,760
to end their career shooting above forty
percent from three. Shit, I got

849
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:31,760
a slouch here. It's just my
thinking posture. The baseball thing really good

850
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:37,880
three point shooter. There's a Team
X here that I assume was that is

851
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:47,519
an expansion team. The like swapping
husband and wife thing is really I had

852
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:52,440
no idea, and I was shocked. Do you want the final clue?

853
00:57:52,639 --> 00:57:57,039
All right? Yeah? Sure,
Team X retire my number in twenty eight.

854
00:57:57,039 --> 00:58:00,119
Team it won't be the last time
a jersey with that last name and

855
00:58:00,159 --> 00:58:07,039
that number will be retired. Oh
what a good clue. A retired jersey

856
00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:15,039
and that name and number is also
going to be retired. Oh man,

857
00:58:20,719 --> 00:58:25,400
I just my head is like spinning
right now. I just have no idea.

858
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,440
Should I should I know this.
Ah, you're gonna be like,

859
00:58:31,519 --> 00:58:35,159
oh, well, I'll give you
I can have a clue. I'll give

860
00:58:35,159 --> 00:58:39,079
you a clue. I think,
wait a minute, are you ready bask

861
00:58:39,239 --> 00:58:44,239
my Is it del Curry? Yes, it's de Cry. I should have

862
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,840
got that way earlier. That's now
the clue, the the wife, the

863
00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:54,000
divorce thing makes more sense now that
shit's wild. Yeah. Can we talk

864
00:58:54,039 --> 00:59:00,199
about how powerful Stephen Curry's like pr
control arm is the like all that stuff

865
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:06,119
just like went away when when that
happened? Pretty impressive. Do you mean

866
00:59:06,119 --> 00:59:08,199
that he wasn't asked about it or
anymore and asked about it? The story

867
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:14,519
just came and went like that.
There were like people Thursday after Sonya Curry,

868
00:59:14,519 --> 00:59:16,239
I wanted a broadcast. I remember
that was like, oh man,

869
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:20,639
Twitter turning into a sesspool on that
one. That wasn't happened all the time,

870
00:59:20,719 --> 00:59:24,320
even in college. Okay, I
okay, that last clue was great.

871
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:29,400
Uh that that helped. I should
have gotten that earlier. Good good

872
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,719
clues. Do you have another one
for me or do you want one more

873
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:36,400
for yourself? I got one.
I'm very eager to see if you're gonna

874
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:39,000
get this one is from Mike.
Uh. Clue number one, I was

875
00:59:39,039 --> 00:59:43,239
drafted in two thousand. Ope,
that's the one I just gave you,

876
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,679
So I'll give you the one I
did not just give you. Clue number

877
00:59:45,719 --> 00:59:49,239
one. I was drafted in the
mid second round in two thousand and five

878
00:59:49,400 --> 01:00:00,960
by the Wizards. Andre Blatch unfucking
believable. Yeah, just just failed so

879
01:00:00,159 --> 01:00:07,639
good. I was just I hope
Mike didn't have a shit. He writes

880
01:00:07,679 --> 01:00:09,639
so many clues, I'll feel bad. There are nine clues here. I'm

881
01:00:09,639 --> 01:00:16,800
gonna guesstimate we're talking like three to
four hundred words. I will give you

882
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:23,480
some of them. The phenomenal Andre
Blatch get out of here is that I'm

883
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:27,159
trying to think, because we both
have had a bunch of one guess ors,

884
01:00:27,239 --> 01:00:30,559
is that the most like that is
by far the most obscure one guess

885
01:00:31,079 --> 01:00:37,039
hit. I'm sorry. He was
a Big three member in Washington. Some

886
01:00:37,079 --> 01:00:39,639
of these, I'm sure some of
these clues are gonna be good because everything's

887
01:00:39,639 --> 01:00:43,840
funny about him. Uh cluti.
I spent most of my first pro season

888
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:49,519
in the D League with Roanoke Dazzle
play twenty nine games. UH second season

889
01:00:49,679 --> 01:00:52,760
saw playing time increase due to injuries
suffered by Eton Thomas and Michael Ruffin just

890
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:57,920
a couple of luminaries there, let's
see you played all eighty two The next

891
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,480
season, I want to get to
the where he got a big deal and

892
01:01:01,519 --> 01:01:07,440
got amnestied, like immediately, Oh, here we go. Other other things

893
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:10,519
And my fourth season in nine ten, I finally cracked ten points per game.

894
01:01:10,719 --> 01:01:15,400
But my most notable moment that season
was being fined ten thousand dollars by

895
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:19,199
the Wizard for mimicking firing a gun
during the player intros. Only a few

896
01:01:19,239 --> 01:01:22,760
days after Gilbert Arenas and Jabbars gritten
and brought guns to practice after getting into

897
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:27,360
an argument over one hundred dollars in
a poker game. Just that Wizard's team

898
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:32,239
was something else. Let's see this
sign with the Nets started wearing number zero,

899
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:36,559
saying it was a reminder that everyone
had given up on me. Brook

900
01:01:36,599 --> 01:01:39,800
Lopez got hurt and while the team
sucked with Lopez injured, average eighteen a

901
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:45,079
game during his injury. One more
season with the Nets. Despite holding dual

902
01:01:45,079 --> 01:01:47,960
citizenship with the Philippines, the country's
basketball league labels me as an import player

903
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,920
since I was born in the States. This turned out to be important as

904
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:53,400
since I'm six to eleven, I'm
too tall to play in the league,

905
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:57,960
as non Filipino born players have a
hight cap of six foot six. I

906
01:01:58,079 --> 01:02:01,000
bought this for three seasons before saying
fucking and retiring in twenty twenty four.

907
01:02:01,639 --> 01:02:05,760
Oh, I feel terrible that I
got that in one guess. You should

908
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:10,039
feel great you got that in one
guess. That was amazing, grant.

909
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:15,280
Oh, go ahead, I just
I'm I'm impressed. That's I can't even

910
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:20,039
talk. Are you ready to get
into the mind of a psychopath? Oh?

911
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:23,719
I mean, I will say.
This is the first time. I'm

912
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:25,920
I feel like I'm rooting for you
to get this one because I had to

913
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:30,800
figure out who'd be rich gave us
on my own. So you solved it

914
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:35,960
though, Yes, but did you
did you use the internet or did you

915
01:02:36,039 --> 01:02:37,599
solve it with the clues? No? No, I didn't use the internet.

916
01:02:37,679 --> 01:02:39,760
But it took what clue? Did
I get? What number? Is

917
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:43,760
not number one, two, three, four? It was? It was

918
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:46,360
cluse six. It looks like I
got it on so so my goal should

919
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:50,519
be to get it in five or
it's well, cause sometimes if I don't

920
01:02:50,559 --> 01:02:52,800
have time, I won't read these
I'll say thank you, and then I'll

921
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:54,679
just read them to you. But
then if there's not a player, I'm

922
01:02:54,679 --> 01:02:58,000
gonna look like a fucking idiot when
I don't even know who it is.

923
01:02:58,559 --> 01:03:00,199
It's like, I think that's right, I don't know. All right,

924
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:04,320
let's do it. I'm in the
mind of a psychopath. Clu one.

925
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:08,000
I was drafted in the lottery in
nineteen ninety nine from a prestigious basketball powerhouse

926
01:03:14,079 --> 01:03:21,519
ninety nine prestigious. All right,
I do want to try to get the

927
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:29,800
one shot kill, so I should
make a guess here. Hmm, Corey

928
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:35,480
mcghetty, that is incorrect. Okay, Clue two. Despite my pedigree,

929
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:37,280
I started zero out of the eighty
two games I played as a rookie,

930
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:42,679
and thus did not make an All
Rookie team. Okay, got nothing.

931
01:03:43,599 --> 01:03:45,920
Clu three. The next two seasons, I started one hundred and sixty four

932
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:51,320
regular season games, helping my Eastern
Conference team make the playoffs. In my

933
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,880
third season, I made my first
All Star team, averaging eighteen points and

934
01:03:53,960 --> 01:04:00,000
nine assists. So from no Z
he played zero games as a started,

935
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:04,880
started zero, then starts all of
them for two years, and in his

936
01:04:05,079 --> 01:04:09,280
third year as an All Star You
said, m h was there? What

937
01:04:09,559 --> 01:04:13,960
were there numbers too? Sorry?
It averaged eighteen points and nine assists eighteen

938
01:04:14,039 --> 01:04:20,920
and nine As a it is third
year in like, oh two, I

939
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:33,639
should get that damn pristige. So
like we gotta be talking Kentucky Duke,

940
01:04:34,079 --> 01:04:44,559
Kansas, North Carolina eighteen and I
don't. I don't have it. Clue

941
01:04:44,599 --> 01:04:46,400
forward. In my fifth season,
I made my first and only All NBA

942
01:04:46,519 --> 01:04:51,000
team and led the NBA and attempted
threes while only making them at a thirty

943
01:04:51,039 --> 01:04:57,440
two percent equip Oh boy, so
this is God who is just chucking and

944
01:04:57,599 --> 01:05:05,159
not making threes? Really? Two
thousand? That's such a that's a I

945
01:05:05,199 --> 01:05:09,519
should we should? You and I
both should have got it by this one.

946
01:05:10,039 --> 01:05:12,760
Yeah. I was pretty when it
took, like when it finally dawned

947
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,000
on me. And now I'm so
the second I might have been the seventh

948
01:05:15,039 --> 01:05:16,840
clue. I didn't get it because
it was the second to last one.

949
01:05:17,519 --> 01:05:21,480
Cluzer here, I'm hung up on
the prestigious college program. One. I

950
01:05:21,519 --> 01:05:26,440
think maybe that's you should probably stop. Okay, what's the next clue?

951
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:33,400
Clue number five? The next year, I was traded to help revive a

952
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:38,719
Western Conference team, where I went
on to only make the playoffs once in

953
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:42,239
four seasons, the fourth of which
my team went forty eight and thirty four

954
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:46,920
and finished ninth in the West.
So this guy, it's a point guard

955
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:50,719
from a good college, shot a
lot of threes and didn't make them.

956
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:56,480
Went east to West. Yeah,
you will get it. This is the

957
01:05:56,519 --> 01:05:58,719
clue. I got the clue that's
gonna come. If you don't have a

958
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:00,320
guest. Here is the one I
go on. You'll I think you'll get

959
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:02,840
it too, all right. I
just want to make sure I'm not like

960
01:06:03,039 --> 01:06:09,480
missing somebody super obvious. The three
point shooting stuff is so tricky, like

961
01:06:09,679 --> 01:06:16,320
going back because I mean nobody shot
them, right, Yeah, I don't

962
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:18,840
know. I just got I'm just
gonna have dead air here while I think.

963
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:23,039
So once you give me the next
one clue number six, the one

964
01:06:23,119 --> 01:06:27,159
year my Western Conference team made the
playoffs. Let's just say the fans in

965
01:06:27,239 --> 01:06:34,639
Oracle believed. That's okay. Yeah, the prestigious college. What's more prestigious

966
01:06:34,679 --> 01:06:40,039
than UCLA? This is Baron Davis? Correct? Oh man? Yeah you

967
01:06:40,119 --> 01:06:43,400
got that? Who was? I
showed it Honor Carolink on my tits after

968
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:45,880
one of the best in game dunks
and NBA playoff history. It's accurate.

969
01:06:46,039 --> 01:06:53,159
Definitely got teed up for that too. Yeah, okay, I yeah,

970
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:57,719
thirteen and it was in eighteen and
nine. Yeah, that was. That's

971
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:00,800
a that's a quality guess a player
because you're gonna to get it, but

972
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,719
you gotta you gotta work for it
to get it soon. All right,

973
01:07:03,239 --> 01:07:10,079
good one? Yes, Thanks everybody, as always for the guest and player

974
01:07:10,119 --> 01:07:12,920
submissions. If you would like to
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975
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:17,599
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976
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:25,280
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977
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:30,440
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978
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:35,119
out wherever you can on YouTube,
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979
01:07:35,199 --> 01:07:39,320
and so forth. I think that's
going to do it. As always,

980
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:43,639
we close with a shout out to
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