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Hey, everybody, thanks for joining
us for this video instead of doing a

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lot of yak and I've got a
real interesting guy on the line here,

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and I'm just gonna wind him up
and turn him loose. Eddie, how

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are you doing I'm doing, Frank
Cow, how are you doing? Good?

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Eddie's sick. He's come down with
a sinus infection or something, and

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he's still doing this recording with me. So I appreciate you doing that.

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I'll apologize to my voice. I
know it sounds like a mental barrel to

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me. I don't know what I
say. I like you guys. Oh

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it sounds beautiful. Just you could
sing a song man, we'd be happy.

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I doubt that. Well, tell
us now you're in Georgia and you've

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got tell us a little bit about
your your hunting. Is it a hunting

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leash you have or is it property? Largely belost to my boss, and

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it's a place we take what we've
We've taken clients there from thirty I've been

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there thirty three years and I've been
taking clients. It's just a good place

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to take and it's been quality time. And over the years I've became really

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friends with them as opposed to just
business acquaintances. We've we've experienced a lot

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of things together, and anyone that's
listened to those two videos you did,

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those were folks that I take hunting, and that was just something that happened.

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And then, really the first time
I experienced was that animal I saw

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in coleg North Carolina, visiting my
girlfriend in college. I didn't know what

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it was. The only contrast I
had was a family in my hometown had

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a given aid to me. The
length of the arms and the frame around

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the face. It just looked like
a very big version of that animal just

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stealed out good a little bit better. I mean, I had to come

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up with a rational reason why I'm
seeing an eighth of a tree on a

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mountain in North Carolina. That made
no sense at all. I anticipate that,

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and and honestly, had it not
whistled, how to walk right under

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it would have been to my right, but I was. It was basically

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almost at my twelve o'clock. It
was it was, it was at one

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one one, But I would have
walked under it. I had never seen

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if it had whistled. You know, I've listened to enough to know that

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during the day, they will put
sentries out to warn the group. And

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there's some dummy like me walking in
the woods and I think perhaps I may

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have caught him napping. I have
no idea, but he let me get

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way too close because the whistle,
as I said in what I wrote,

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it was the first part of a
Because you know he raised in the South,

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you anticipate the white park coming out, not just Bob. And in

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that case, it was the high
pitch of it. And I'm not a

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good whistler, but it was a
Bob White and it just didn't finish,

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and it was so close I couldn't
help but look directly at where it came

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from. I was looking dead at
a face, and I just went went

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up the tree and there he was. He was hanging on to the center

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of the tree, and his right
arm was on the limb above, and

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he was trying to keep the center
of the tree tween. Because I could

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clearly see that. But when I
moved to my left to check for tale,

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I did it couldn't be a monkey
was too big, but I had

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to check. I was a senior
in college fixing to be an employed,

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hopefully productive citizen. My thought,
that's why I never said anything about it.

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I didn't need to trying to get
a job in the real world,

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and people thinking this guy's nuts,
he's seeing things in the tree. So

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I never heard about it. And
actually I've never seen anything until I told

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my older friend. I mean,
we were literally raised together, and then

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he was by the end we both
had kids, and he looked at his

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son and they both rolled a rise, and I couldn't talk, you know,

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And honestly, if I hadn't seen
it, I don't know about to

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believe need because it's not it's not
normal. We both raised. He hunted,

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I hunted. I was raised in
the woods and little place south of

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my hometown and still got land there. And I never saw anything like that.

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I heard. I heard my relatives, my aunts and my granty and

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all the day been here full of
dark to voters to get you. But

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quite frankly, and I just thought
that was something that told us. I

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never saw one, and I was
deep in the woods and you could go

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and stay, stay on the property
with my uncle own. It got very

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interesting to me after I realized,
you know, I listened to a few

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things and U, you know,
listening to you know, Tim Baker and

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those guys talking, and I said, well, there's some guys from the

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South like me, and they they
see them too, and that their their

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stories were credible. So it helped
me in my mind rationalized what I had

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saw. And then after I ended
my what I went to college to do,

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I was a coach and a teacher, and I started taking clients hunting.

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I would take clients to the tree. Back then, we were you

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know, in the business run where
we're real safety conscious, and we bought

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the best stands we could buy to
make sure no one of that hurt and

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nobody fell out. It had safety
bars and straps, and I would have

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to go out early and the turn
buffles full the seed that started, make

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sure tree hadn't grown into it and
didn't have vines and thanks blocking their views.

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And when I was out there alone, I would hear for them.

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You know you were making excuse for
voices, You're making excuse for loud noises.

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I can umber. One morning I
took everybody to understand. And that

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was back when I'd actually said And
I got in my stand and I had

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no longer. I had been that
stand five minutes I heard a conversation back

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toward where I parked my truck.
Now, this truck is parked on twenty

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one hundred acres and it's the only
vehicle on the place. You know,

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my inclination was, somebody's walked in
here, I've got coaches. I got

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down out of the tree and I
went. Of course, I never found

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any anybody, but it was distinctly
a conversation someone who gave instruction, and

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somebody had knowledged the one note.
There was no doubt about it was a

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conversation, but it was not.
I just thought my hearing was support.

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I couldn't understand it. I didn't
realize I was listening to an entirely different

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language. That was an instance,
and there was another occasion, same thing.

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I just got in my tree and
it sounded like someone through a cocusing

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out of top the seats, because
I heard it come through the tree limbs

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and when it hit the ground and
I literally felt the impact via the stand

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being stuck in the ground. That's
how much of an impact it was.

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What was it? What were they
throwing? They weren't throwing anything. I'm

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convinced now because that code machine ran
off and I felt it run off.

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I just assumed from the impact of
the footsteps that it jumped out of a

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tree from a pretty good height.
Now what made it do that, I

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don't know. I have no idea
because I didn't have I was pretty conscientious

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about knowing where my people were,
hopefully not on the ground. I didn't

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want them shooting on the ground.
I wanted them shooting fo you know,

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down so the impact of the bullet
would be in the ground. After years

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of taking them honey, I got
comfortable that they knew what they were doing.

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They weren't gonna hurt each other,
they weren't gonna kill one another,

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So you know, I relaxed all
the little rules I put on them because

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I was confident no one was gonna
get hurt to actually knew what they were

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doing. That was basically how I
came to know there was something out there,

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and oftentimes I never It wasn't like
the time in North Carolina when I

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actually had a visual eye to eye
was one I never had that. It

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was always something in my perithheal,
some noise and movement, or it was

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something that was there and it was
no longer there. Like one morning I

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took people to their stand, my
truck pulled up. My headlights were dead

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on a stump. It looked like
an old burned out lightning struck half stone

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at an angle. It was gnarley
like, had moss on it, nothing

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to it. I cut the truck
off, took them to the stand,

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came back out. Well. By
then I put sitting. I didn't hunt

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anymore personally. I'd go back to
a and make coffee and ate and then

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go retrieve them from the designated time. When I cranked the trunk up and

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the high beams came on, I
just sat there and look because the stump

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was gone. It wasn't there normal. Now, I know stumps don't walk,

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so obviously what I what I saw
as a stump. Want the stump.

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That's something else they have up and
I say they this animal has an

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ability to turn into what you want
it to be, like a stump.

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If they turn around and squad down, you will not see an animal.

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You'll see a stump where you'll see
something that's natural in the forest. You

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will not like a water brush or
something or something exactly. But the only

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reason I knew anything was it was
in the dead center my headlights. And

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then when I cranked the trunk back
up. It was gone, and stump

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don't run off, just like coach
machines don't run off. But that's what

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it sounded like when it came down
out of that tree. It's an interesting

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subject, it really is. Now
you've you've you've become familiar with, at

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least you think that's the alpha on
the spl I've always I always called it

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Big George because when I come toeck
stands by myself, I'd always hear a

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call. That's what it sound like
me, you know, like you would

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hear on National Geographic, for example, you would hear of a gorilla or

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a big chimp, and that's what
it sounds like. A call to me.

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I'd always speak said, hey,
big guy, I'm here. It's

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just me. And you know,
I never saw anything. I just I

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just assumed it was him letting me
know that you know, I'm here,

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I know it's you. No problem. But that that was kind of an

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inside joke for me and him,
I guess because I never I never actually

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had a visual owning. I did
see movement from one tree the next in

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my Parisian at times. I never
had a reason to be scared, you

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know, other than the turkey hunting
experience I shared with your readers. Now,

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that did scare me because I knew
it was big, and I knew

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it was close, and I knew
I was not that big, and what

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I was holding was not digg enough. I gave strong consideration just to breaking

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and running then leaving my bucket,
but I did, and I sat there.

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I don't know, uh, well, just kind of kind of rehashed

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the whole story in case somebody hadn't
heard it. Just run briefly, Well,

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I was, I was turkey hunting, and I was really a novelous

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hunt. Had gotten into that kind
of late in life, and that a

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friend that was just crazy about it, and he was real good at and

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he had gone with me a couple
of times, and the only turkey I'd

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ever killed he had caught that morning. He couldn't go hunting because I called

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and asked want to go, honey, and said, now I can't go.

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He had something else going on.
But he had given me a little

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pushbutton hen called a decoy, the
same one I'd used the first time I

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killed the turkey. And the decoy
literally half of it would fall off most

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of the time. It was all
had so my apartment truck, and I

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was doing it kind of like deer
hunt. I wanted to be four daybreak

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and let everything settle down. I
walked in. It was three third and

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a half mile the trunk to the
tree. The tree was not far from

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my personal deer stand and had some
very large roots at the base. This

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tree was seven eight three wide at
the base. I don't know two hundred

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fifth tril year old tree had been
there wayful I got here. Anyway,

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my dove bucket would literally fit into
the two roots, you know, coming

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down out of the tree, and
I could recess back up in the tree

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kind of a concave, and I
just thought that was a way to be

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camouflaged. So I set my deepcoin
and got on my bucket and it was

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still, it was just breaking daylight, and I sat there and one thing

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Keith had taught me was don't go
crazy with the call. Just do it

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as light as you can. They
have great hearing, but as if they

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see you, then I come.
So I was sitting still recessed in the

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tree out getting very conscious of being
you know, unseen, and I'd heard

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several gobblers come down off the route
they were one hundred nine and fifty yards

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away. They make a good little
bit of noise when they fly down,

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and I knew they were on the
ground. So I by the end of

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the sun had been up fifteen twenty
minutes. It was it was some was

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coming up round seven seventy ten something
like that, and I figured it.

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I didn't have a watch on what
I figured it was probably like seventy thirty

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when I heard what I thought was
the golblers coming off the route. So

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I hit my little button a couple
of times, just trying to get somebody

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to fancer. I didn't get an
answer, but I heard a good little

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bit of fuss coming from behind it
from the direction of the river or whatever

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it was was not trying to be
quiet, and I had thought about it

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then, you know, maybe a
couple of deer, or maybe a bunch

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of hogs. I'm pretty pretty conscious
about pretty conscious about hogs, because my

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mother had a grain off of this
story she told me when I was a

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little being in the woods and then
men avoiding hogs of wild Farrell hogs because

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he had either fell in the pin, cut himself a smell blood, or

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had a heart attack, but Anyway, they ate him up and they found

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his glass rain as belt buckle,
And let us say that was pretty impressionable

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on the little board and pretty impressionable
on old old guy sitting in on a

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bucket a hundred of tree. I
was. I didn't I didn't want to

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get walked on by a bunch of
hogs because I'd already had this house.

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You know, you walk on salads
and pigs. She's not what you want

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to be around. No, I
mean I already had to drop the hammer

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on one for that raison. You
know, you don't want to shoot the

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when they got a little ones,
But I didn't want to get either by

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the hall. So I was listening
very intent, and whatever this was was

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coming, it wasn't trying to hide
the fact it's coming, and it seemed

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pretty intent on my big tree I
was under, or the general direction.

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Now, this thing was seventy five
eighty yards back I could tell by the

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sound, and the river was probably
a hardy hoars behind. So I find

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it concluded. This is not a
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at all. It's got two legs, and it's got a bee line on

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this tree. So I was sitting
there listening, and it came. It

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kemp coming and I got to notice
now heavy and how long the stride was

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between the steps, and I got
a little concerned. But you know,

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I was sitting there my old the
flail gage or note didn't didn't have had

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five in it. There were three
inch magnets number four shots. So I

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figured, ain't much gonna take this. From close range, I should be

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okay. But the closer a guy, the more impact those footfalls made.

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I got real and comfort. When
that guy within thirty or forty feet of

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the tree, I could tell this
was a large individual. As it got

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to the back of the tree.
Now they're still there's still ten fifteen feet

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between us, because that tree was
enormous. I smelled it, and it

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smelled a lot like a body odor. It smelled like something I smelled growing

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up. You know, I'm when
Georgia and Middle George. Anyway, you're

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gonna smell what heat would do the
people perspiring and he's and I used the

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expression of twelve piece picktures, but
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And you're out there sweat and then
July Son in Georgia, you're not gonna

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smell very good. And this high
school he had a drong spell to him

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and add a little bit of a
I went dog tends to it and when

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he when he when he blew air
a friend of mine. She had a

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belt and draft horse. And I'd
heard that thing take sale many times,

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and only something that weighs a lot
didn't make that much noise, just ea

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saving. And that's when I got
I really got scared. I realized that

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this thing's enormous. I almost broke
round. I didn't broke broke, and

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I just sat there, you know, all kinds of rabbits run over my

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grave. My hair was standing up, I was tingling. I was almost

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I don't know how to describe it. I was almost feeling digit because it

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took him ten minutes to get to
me. I listened to this for a

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long time, and I had the
option of breaking and running when it was

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still a hundred yards from it,
and I didn't do it. Now,

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of course, I was regretting that, and that moment I was I wish

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I just got my bucket and he
went to the truck. But I didn't

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know. I didn't know that it
was poaching somebody trespassing, but I was

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pretty sure it wasn't the person at
that point in time. Then the smell

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went away, and I was trying
to smell and the sound there was no

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sound at all. There was just
no sund no other sound. No no

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birds, no squirrels, no no
armadillas over there nosing around in the leaves

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like it did earlier. So I
didn't know what to do. He made

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so much noise coming to me,
and then all of a sudden it got

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dead quiet. You know, I
had a choice. I can break run

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or I cat to sit here.
I didn't figure this animal knew while I

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was there, because I hadn't made
him. No. I was completely recessed.

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The only way known I was there
was smelling, and I didn't have

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I didn't spray my boots down or
anything like that like I do. There

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a hunting because I was turkey hunting. I didn't think that was in the

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necessary thing. So I sat there, and I sat there a good little

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bit two I sat there between thirty
and forty five minutes. Well after that

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amount of time, I didn't hear
anything, I didn't smell anything. It

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couldn't have climb that tree. It
was just two dead dumb wide at the

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base and the walking to limb for
a long time. After I did,

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I stood up and grabbed my bucket
and I started walking. I didn't even

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look back. And it's gonna get
this. It's gonna get me anyway.

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And I had my gun in one
hand and my bucket in the other,

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and I walked pretty fast, and
I was headed towards my truck, and

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I didn't look back till I was
out the mum the last mont. I

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made sure if there was something in
that tree coming down on me, I

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wasn't gonna know it to look,
so I looked back. I didn't seen

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nothing. I never broke stride.
I kept walking. I got all the

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way to track, all the way
to truck. I'm sorry, And my

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watch was hanging on the gear ship. I was to my watch and it

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was cooler level teen forty five,
and I thought I thought we watch was

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from I said, ain't no way, I ain't away, it's this lake.

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But then you know, cranked up
or got to the gate and I

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left. You got homeless about a
twenty minute ride back of the house.

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And it was eleven thirty quarter to
twelve when I got home. So I

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was just that kind of blew me
away. I didn't know, And I

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hate to get all Louie and say
I lost time or something strings like that,

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but something went on because I just
didn't feel like I sat there that

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long. I was scared. I
get I was scared. Well, that's

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what I said in the video that
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But you know, I don't.
You don't know, and therefore I

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don't know, but I'm curious.
I would have My impulse would be to

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stand up, turn around and look
behind that tree. But did you had

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you had experience with these things before
that, so you feel well, I

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you know, i'd heard things,
I didn't see anything. I'd had the

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experience of hearing the conversation, hearing
the coke machine get the ground and run

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off. I've had the experience of
seeing the stump there and not there,

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but the actual experience of having something
that big walk up on it and knowing

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it's that close. I wasn't really
want to see the stunt. Well that's

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why, don't get me wrong.
Everybody's going to do something different, and

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I have no idea what I would
do. It's perfectly understandable you didn't want

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to turn around, but gone gone
with it. Well, if I turned

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around, I would have had the
guide up and walk a good five or

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six of my steps still seen behind
this tree. I think it's hard to

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describe the tree as big a system
was when finally got it. A matter

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of fact, it's still out there. It's a rootball now. The win

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got it. It didn't have the
block it used to have said, but

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it's just a big root ball now. But I bet the root balls twenty

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feet it's it's huge. After it, it made the exhale, and it

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was it had the Belgian draft Clydesdale
exhale. I realized this was a very

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large alm. I didn't feel like
I wanted to be, you know,

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seven eight feet from this thing,
whatever it was. But once it went

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quiet, I didn't know what to
do. I mean, I don't know

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how you shut off smell. I
don't know you can make that much noise.

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And then all of a sudden,
all that just stopped. I was

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kind of hesitant to even say this. I feel more comfortable talking about the

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kids laughing because I had two people
with me, you know, Jordan and

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VJ was there, so you know, I don't feel as you know,

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take my words to this type thing
like I did. You know, on

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this occasion, I was right by
myself when I was in color Way.

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I found myself when I have two
guys with me. My brother was with

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me one time down in Flawda gold
fishing, and we had a cat run

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across the road in front of us. It was two thirty three o'clock in

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the morning. We were flat fishing
trout, red fishue. We were just

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trying to get to camp for daylight
and you know, be the first boat

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out of the creek. Back then, I was just addicted to flattish and

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I couldn't I couldn't do anything.
I couldn't hunt anymore. I couldn't do

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anything I used to. I had
one was the one track mind. I

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had a nineteen foot skiff behind me. Yeah I was, I really was.

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And this was a two a state
road, not very wide, and

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I mean nothing on it. When
you make that turn it cut over to

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a little place called Shady Grove.
You probably run twenty miles and you don't

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see anything. It's just you know, the National forest on both sides of

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the road. And this cap run
across the road and he wasn't twenty sea

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in front of the truck was probably
wasn't doing forty five miles. And now

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I was in no hurry. You
know, my dead live was day daylight,

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so I was in no hurry.
Menji was talking. It ran across

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the road in front of us,
and then it turned right when it reached

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the other shoulder and ran in my
headlights for probably be seven eight nine seconds.

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So I got a good look at
it. Now, this was a

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jaguar. There was no doubt in
my mind. The pattern was just as

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clear as if it had been the
yellow version of the black pattern. But

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this one probably black. But those
headlights, the way it was shouted on

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it, it was almost like it
like a regular jaguar. The spot pattern

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was so obvious. But what really
shocked me was the size. My head

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would have looked like a naval orange
in its mouth. I mean, it

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was enormous. And they say a
jaguar won't go over to two fifty in

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lay. Well, I'm an old
football coach muscle mass or something gauge pretty

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good. This thing was huge.
I'm sure walking up on nine foot booger

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in the woods scary, which I've
never experienced that, but I would not

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have wanted to walk on this thing
because it was and it was all boy.

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Now, I was looking at the
east end of westbound cat and every

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time that tall come up, there's
no doubt it was. It was an

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all boy that that blew me away, knowing something like that be in those

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woods. And your brothers saw it
too, Oh yeah, yeah, that's

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really now, have any problem telling
this story. I had a guy sitting

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and my brother was sitting right in
the truck with me. We both saw

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it was. It was enormous.
You know. We talked about you told

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me that story the other day,
and I mentioned that what you thought about

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maybe an exotic animal keeper turning one
loose or something like that. They're not

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usually not black. That's a panther
from South America. That's where those things

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are. But I've heard quite a
few people have told me they've seen them

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frough deer stamps, but none of
you said they were that bed. I

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had a conversation last week with a
friend of mine over in West Tennessee who

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I used to work with and we
hunted together forever. I moved away and

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we still get together once a while, but he's he's always he would hear

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we'd hear stories like that, and
I'd say, hey'd you hear about a

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cap you know, in Madison County
or Chester County, hertem Accounty. He'd

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say, Oh, that's all a
bunch of bull I talked to him last

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week. He got one on a
trail camp and he called the TWR and

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told them about it, and they
told him that they do not exist in

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Tennessee. But he's got a picture. He goes, I'll send you a

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picture of it. And they don't
even want to look at it. It's

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crazy, and that that kind of
makes you wonder why there's such a violence

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and a relacable better word, a
violent reaction. You know, I don't

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try it to somebody calling me a
lie. You know that's the reason I

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will always has to tell the story
and tell aween because by myself. But

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when you got people with you and
they can corroborate what you're saying, and

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that kind of makes it a different
situation. You know, you get interested

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in you listen to people talk about
currencies that happened to them, and someone

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gets hurt, or someone has a
video, or someone is huge one at

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point blank range with a twelve gage
with a slug. I heard one,

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and it hadn't been terribly long ago. I've been six eight months ago where

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a guy shot one. His wife
called him from work. The cows were

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up in coror depends and knocked the
fence down. She must have called him

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half dozen times to work. He
finally got off work, come home,

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called the neighbor said, we got
coodie. Probably my cows tearing the fence

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down. He had a dozen head
of cows and they were grouped up in

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probably at twenty but twenty corner of
the fencer when he got home, so

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whatever it was, they were scared. So he gets his neighbor. They're

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getting the side to side. One
of those suited up was not like a

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golf cart when I was using one
of those things run fifty miles an hour.

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But they went down in the woods
and it was dark, and he

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looks up on the left bank of
the road to ride down, and there

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stood a thing that definitely does not
exist except in the movies van one of

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those one of those werewolf movies or
something. And his neighbor shoots at point

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blank with a slum, blows the
blows. The factra muscle slap just explodes

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and they and they do on one
eight and they're going out of there as

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fast as that thing will carry him. And he looks up and the thing

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is running side the side, almost
sticking his head in the door. And

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then and then he says, it
leaks down and he could tell where his

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hand was because it was dam in
his headlights. It was slow with the

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vehicle dam and his neighbor who had
a shot gun, had done short stroke

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that gun and had a shell jam. He finally got that shell on jam

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and stuck the muzz left gun across
his face because he was driving. And

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when that thing saw that gun barrel
come out, it off. But then

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he had the call the game Wardan
game warden come out lowing behold of He

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told him, you're gonna get a
visit. And sure enough, the next

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day his lands covered up with folks
that he don't know, and on marked

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then every trail can he had.
He had about fourteen trail cams on his

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property. He was a deer hunter. Like every sen party had out there

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was gone. You know, he
had all kinds of trouble, you know,

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subliminal threats and such, and I
don't know, I don't understand that

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part of it. There must be
something that they're not telling us. Obviously,

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it's bad enough that you see something
like that, and then the folks

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is supposed to do something about it, behave in a manner that I don't

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know. I don't I don't even
want to interject anything there. But there's

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something to this that we don't know. Yeah, and the people that show

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up I did said something about it. I think one or two videos back

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about some people out west kind of
they're almost being harassed by some of these

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people, but it's because they've told
other people or reported it to, you

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know, who they would think are
the proper authorities, and it just causes

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problems for him. The people don't
come to help. They they just caused

410
00:30:21,599 --> 00:30:26,200
more and more problems for him.
I think people are getting reluctant to to

411
00:30:26,759 --> 00:30:32,559
report these things, and especially unless
unless you're somebody like me. I'm a

412
00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:34,960
little more educated now, but I
mean a couple of years ago i'd have

413
00:30:36,039 --> 00:30:38,880
seen something like that, I'd have
called the game warden right away. Oh

414
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,160
yeah, but I don't know if
I would now. I don't know if

415
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:48,680
I would those two the two BJ
and uh what was his uh daddy's name.

416
00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:53,359
Jordan was a son right and bj
was a daddy. No, now

417
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:59,640
they were just um related at that
time. Jordan got an old enough to

418
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,559
come by myself a dad and quick
theremenka. But you know I was I

419
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:10,640
was just taking family members hunting.
They got they got roared at and screamed

420
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,319
at, and I'm wondering, did
they still hunt with y'all down there?

421
00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:19,440
Oh? Yeah, they came this
November and we did a little walk that

422
00:31:19,559 --> 00:31:23,160
a lot of timbers being cut down, so it hadn't It's not quite the

423
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:30,160
same as it was that that's that
night we heard the kids laughing. There

424
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,920
was no way I was in the
same thing. I mean, that's just

425
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,000
too far out There's one o'clock in
the morning, went a swamp. There

426
00:31:36,039 --> 00:31:40,400
ain't no way there's kids in that
bottom. And then Genorgan said, did

427
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:41,920
you hear those kids? You know? All I could think of things?

428
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,960
Thank you? So I thought I'd
lost my mind. It's bad enough I

429
00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:49,759
just got walked around by sooning to
come out of that bottom. To think

430
00:31:49,799 --> 00:31:53,200
there were children down there, that
that was just way too far out there.

431
00:31:53,559 --> 00:31:57,039
And as soon as y'all hit that
call, I mean, it was

432
00:31:57,079 --> 00:32:04,480
almost instantaneous. That's if if I
had tied the thing off and left it

433
00:32:04,599 --> 00:32:07,279
down there they I mean, if
I've been one of them. I said,

434
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,680
how did you do this? And
I didn't do nothing. I just

435
00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:15,519
went the spot. I thought,
this has the right kind of topography,

436
00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:19,400
has got a load. You know. I have studied enough to know they

437
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,200
liked roll a little bit. They
don't want to get skyline. They don't

438
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,599
like it. They want stuff behind
it. They don't want to be there.

439
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:29,160
They're small enough to see and then
as you do see them, they

440
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,400
could turn into the fam store.
It just makes you wonder, you know.

441
00:32:31,599 --> 00:32:37,519
I listened to a story about two
guys fishing and in a reservoir in

442
00:32:37,559 --> 00:32:43,119
Ohio there was splashed by their little
john fishing in a fourteen foot john boat

443
00:32:43,559 --> 00:32:46,440
using a troll and motor. No
less the guy in the battle the boat

444
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:51,279
they were because he said take me
up there. I'm taking me. Well

445
00:32:51,559 --> 00:32:54,240
this so and sos, but and
that's not exactly what he said, but

446
00:32:54,839 --> 00:32:59,079
something to that effect. And he
said, I just saw him duck back

447
00:32:59,079 --> 00:33:01,640
behind the tree. He when rock, says us, So he pulls up

448
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:06,200
there and guy gets out. So
he picks up a rock and throws it

449
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,920
back well low and behold, it
wasn't a person. We'll come out behind

450
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:15,759
that tree was a big, hairy, very unhappy guy. And he came

451
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:20,400
up then and hid him and knocked
him into the boat, broke two ridge,

452
00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:23,920
knocked him out and busted his face
open. Was gone in a Middlesex

453
00:33:24,279 --> 00:33:28,759
all. It all happened so fast. The guy in the back of the

454
00:33:28,759 --> 00:33:31,160
boat, he just pulled him back
into the bow of the boat, half

455
00:33:31,319 --> 00:33:37,079
and half out. He assumed he
was gone because he disarmed. He took

456
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:42,000
his pistol and the pistol he was
carrying, and it went on for several

457
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,119
minutes, but they finally got out
and he dragged him on into the boat.

458
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:51,400
He was bleeding real bad. He
got back to the launch and tall

459
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,480
the police or sheriff department. They
came out, and then those guys got

460
00:33:54,480 --> 00:34:00,480
treated like they stole something. It
just seems to be a constant if someone

461
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:05,200
gets hurt, someone has, you
know, credible video or something, that

462
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,960
they treat it very untamed. Let's
just say that that it just makes you

463
00:34:09,039 --> 00:34:13,440
wonder what in the world, why
would they do that? You know,

464
00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:16,599
that brings up a topic that's deare
to my heart. You know, a

465
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:25,760
lot of the ridicule that people have
is from people in this bigfoot believing community.

466
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,519
That's what I'm No, I'm not
either. I'm not a member of

467
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:34,840
any group. I told you that
the other day, and I'm you told

468
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,000
me about one experience you had,
and I've had a similar one, and

469
00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:45,519
it's uh I think it's shameful that
people will come forward with pictures or videos

470
00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:51,679
or whatever. Now some of them
are a little They may know what's in

471
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,880
the video, but and they may
have seen it moving, but everybody else

472
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,440
can't see it. But they don't, they don't write. It doesn't rate

473
00:34:59,559 --> 00:35:04,199
that kind ridicule in my opinion.
I mean, we're all in a strange

474
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,000
way in this together. And uh
so you're right. I mean what differences

475
00:35:08,039 --> 00:35:12,800
they made too? Was the first
person to saw him taking? Yeah,

476
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,800
it don't matter, it don't matter. It's just a hairy man in the

477
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:24,440
woods. It's interesting and I'm just
amazed that people can behave the way they

478
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:30,360
do at times over there. I
mean, if someone knows what it is,

479
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,639
they should tell us. I don't
know what it is, and I

480
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:37,119
know I've never felt threatened other than
the turkey hunting. And then and I'm

481
00:35:37,199 --> 00:35:40,360
quite sure whatever was behind that tree
could have hurt me if they wanted to,

482
00:35:40,519 --> 00:35:45,000
and they didn't. Now they might
have done something else that gave them

483
00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:47,840
opportunity to go away. You know, I've always wondered that, why the

484
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:52,599
noise stop? Why the spell stopped? So we mean you have sign posts.

485
00:35:52,639 --> 00:35:55,000
I don't think neither one of them
stopped. I think my little thank

486
00:35:55,039 --> 00:36:00,599
your part quit working. It's what
I think that's interesting. Well, what

487
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,119
else could it be? I mean, I spelled it very strongly, I

488
00:36:04,159 --> 00:36:07,280
heard it very vividly, and then
all of a sudden, no smell and

489
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,440
no. I think I'm there thirty
minutes and I'm there two hours in that.

490
00:36:10,599 --> 00:36:15,480
In that period of time, whatever
it was left, but I didn't

491
00:36:15,519 --> 00:36:17,840
hear it leave. I sure didn't
hear it come. That's true. I

492
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,679
don't know. I'll tell you.
I'll tell you what I think. I

493
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,320
think. Uh, you say you
don't know what they are, and I

494
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:30,199
don't know what they are some kind
of folks, I do, You and

495
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:37,039
I and everybody. I've never had
an experience, but I would include myself,

496
00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:42,719
you and I and thousands of other
people know just as much about them

497
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:49,559
as the self proclaimed experts do,
because there's no they don't. There's not

498
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,639
enough evidence to make a determination on
anything, not anything, not any A

499
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:58,920
guy sent me some pictures of some
tracks today that I think are fabulous,

500
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:04,079
and that's one of the best pieces
of evidence. You know, it's it's

501
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:07,880
hard to fakes, but it's hard
to fake them with you know, the

502
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:12,199
foot lines and the soul of your
fate. And no, you can't.

503
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,559
You can't fake that unless it's a
real thing. No. And the place

504
00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:21,519
that I'm talking about where I take
these people hunting, it's probably not forty

505
00:37:21,519 --> 00:37:27,000
five fifty miles. It's crow flies
from where the Elfin's Creek cast was cast.

506
00:37:28,039 --> 00:37:31,719
And and that's the one that they
set the standard by because it has

507
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:37,440
the dermal ridges or the fingerprints,
that's what I called. And the distinguishing

508
00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:43,880
what makes it an animal, so
that it's not question does this thing exists.

509
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:49,159
I'm I've seen it, so I
know it exists, but I don't

510
00:37:49,199 --> 00:37:52,559
know what it is where it came
from. But I've I've done some reading.

511
00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:59,280
I'm fairly well educated. The cross
breeding between the human and the Neanderthals.

512
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,480
The the thing that starts with a
day that I probably would mispronounced the

513
00:38:02,559 --> 00:38:10,039
Denizens or whatever they call them,
the Heidelberg dude from Europe, all those

514
00:38:10,599 --> 00:38:15,039
in. Any time you cross breed
something, it doesn't matter what you're cross

515
00:38:15,079 --> 00:38:17,639
breeding. If you cross the old
line with the tyger, you're gonna get

516
00:38:17,639 --> 00:38:22,679
a bigger animal than what you started
with. It's gonna be bigger than either

517
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,320
of the parents. If you bring
a male tiger to a female line,

518
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:30,639
or a male line to a female
tiger the ligar, it's gonna be bigger

519
00:38:30,679 --> 00:38:35,039
than either of them. I remember
when when my daughter was little, a

520
00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:38,559
gentleman was kind enough to give us
tickets and backstage fastest to the shrine circus.

521
00:38:38,599 --> 00:38:42,920
So I got to take my little
three year olds to trine Tous and

522
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,280
go back to where the animals or
they had eight hundred and fourteen pounds Siberian

523
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:52,679
tiger. Now eight hundred and fourteen
pounds is a lot of cat and added

524
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,519
right there on the cage. I
didn't I didn't doubt it for a minute

525
00:38:55,519 --> 00:39:01,079
because it's paul bigger in both my
hands, both monthy put together, they

526
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:07,360
was enormous. It also had about
a five hundred pale male African line,

527
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,920
which is normal size. I didn't
realize tigers got that big. But it

528
00:39:10,039 --> 00:39:15,480
was a Siberian, which is the
largest of the tigers. It also had

529
00:39:15,519 --> 00:39:22,159
a male leopard and a male jaguine. Now, when they were sitting on

530
00:39:22,199 --> 00:39:27,599
their little pedestals, everybody was growling
and snarling at the other one, except

531
00:39:27,679 --> 00:39:31,440
the jaguine when nobody talking to him, because it just looked like a more

532
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:37,119
primitive animal to me. I mean, nobody snarled and swatted at him.

533
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:42,039
The leopard was swatting at the line, and the line was swatting at the

534
00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:45,400
tigers, vice versa. But that
that jaguars they let him along. There's

535
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,360
a leason that well, it was
the reason it's got about the highest jaw

536
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,360
pressure. Because any of the four
big cats, and they were all represented

537
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,800
right there, only little pedestals.
It's just a more primitive of the full

538
00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:00,639
cats. In my opinion. You
see them together and you will realize that

539
00:40:01,199 --> 00:40:06,239
this is a different cat. It's
just I know, it's a new world

540
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,320
cat, but it's it's different,
you know, like they talk about how

541
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:12,639
old monkeys, that's a new World
monkey. A lot of people say they

542
00:40:12,679 --> 00:40:16,320
heard that in the woods. I
haven't heard that. First, I'll tell

543
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:22,199
you what we did do, wasn't
I the same two guys and I went

544
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:27,840
down there and we found an area
called myself getting Smarter, where I could

545
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:32,599
park the golf cart and we could
see what was coming. I didn't want

546
00:40:32,599 --> 00:40:37,400
to get in the thick woods,
a thick brush and get in the position

547
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,519
where I couldn't see what was coming. Because we were fixing the hit on

548
00:40:40,599 --> 00:40:45,480
some trees and this stuff we probably
shouldn't have been doing well. Big j

549
00:40:45,679 --> 00:40:52,159
had him a good old Louisville sluggs
and he walked over there and walked this

550
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:58,760
little old oak tree and he hadn't
drawed the back back, and it wasn't

551
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:04,480
fifty feet. He was running.
He was running left. Here was running

552
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,159
where you go? I mean,
there's nowhere to go. You don't get

553
00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:13,639
that golf thought. You think we're
going out running than here where there's nowhere

554
00:41:13,679 --> 00:41:17,079
to go. I mean, it
was obvious. Something answered that, and

555
00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:22,159
I mean it was real close,
but we didn't see it. We didn't

556
00:41:22,199 --> 00:41:29,360
see anything. Nothing made a vocalization
with but that response was instant and it

557
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,559
was close, but it was It
was kind of funny, you know,

558
00:41:31,639 --> 00:41:37,320
the thing about these wooden knocks.
Is I grew up in the city,

559
00:41:37,559 --> 00:41:42,599
but I've spent so much time in
the woods that I've gotten really used to

560
00:41:42,679 --> 00:41:45,239
them. I mean, I'm fifty
seven years old now and probably for the

561
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:50,280
last well, I mean since I
was a teenager, I've always been trapsing

562
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,920
off in the woods doing something and
I love to hunt by myself. You

563
00:41:53,119 --> 00:42:00,280
never hear that wooden knocking from anything
in the woods. It's just there's nothing

564
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:05,519
out there that can do that unless
it's a human whack on a pine tree

565
00:42:05,679 --> 00:42:07,760
with the lev a slugger. That's
that's the only thing that could be,

566
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:14,679
or something with an arm that can
grab a stick and whack the side of

567
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:20,719
a tree trunk with its arm.
There's there's just no other way to explain

568
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,440
those things. And again, who
knows what it is, but we think

569
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:30,119
we know what it is. To
me, it's just folks. There's got

570
00:42:30,119 --> 00:42:35,079
to be some kind of people.
It's I don't think there's a I don't

571
00:42:35,079 --> 00:42:38,119
think there's an animal smart enough to
stay away from us as well as they'd

572
00:42:38,119 --> 00:42:43,639
do without them being someone who would
like us. And I remember it had

573
00:42:43,639 --> 00:42:46,000
a conversation with someone a long time
ago. Well they hadn't been that chair

574
00:42:46,119 --> 00:42:51,480
to Gong, and I said,
those things may have evolved, but we

575
00:42:51,519 --> 00:42:55,480
will create. If we had evolved, we'd have better seats, we'd have

576
00:42:55,599 --> 00:43:02,719
better pen we'd have better fingers,
better elbows and needs. They've got all

577
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:07,440
that, they've got everything we build
have. You know, I don't want

578
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,760
to get off in the religious to
him, but there's no doubt in my

579
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:16,679
mind we will create. And even
my college biology professor russ Hard, he

580
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:21,159
said there was no such thing as
macro evolution, said, there's a lot

581
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:28,199
of micro evolutions, that everything will
adapt to its environment, as far as

582
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:32,760
a big bang in a fair mecium. And now we're splitting at him.

583
00:43:34,119 --> 00:43:37,880
No, I don't think that from
one millisecond. Now. I heard a

584
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:43,920
guy say one time he was a
big mega evolution believer until he looked at

585
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:49,760
his daughter's ear. It's such a
perfect little organ that he knew, he

586
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,960
knew there had to be intelligent design
behind it. We're almost two an hour

587
00:43:53,199 --> 00:43:57,440
you've given us. I know you've
given me a lot of things to think

588
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,559
about. You think about things in
logical ways, and I appreciate that.

589
00:44:01,039 --> 00:44:05,199
Is there anything else you could share
with us that you think people would want

590
00:44:05,199 --> 00:44:09,480
to know. Well, I just
just keep your eyes and ears open if

591
00:44:09,519 --> 00:44:14,679
you if you get in the woods, because there's there's obviously more than this

592
00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:21,440
subject in the woods. And I
hate to keep it going back with what

593
00:44:21,639 --> 00:44:24,559
I've heard. And I did listen
to a story about a guy there to

594
00:44:24,679 --> 00:44:30,199
Sara Soda, who had gotten an
older employee a job over at the state

595
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:35,079
park. And it's kind of well
known there. It's it's it's East of

596
00:44:35,159 --> 00:44:40,519
Sarah Soda stick with alligators and cotton
mouse and every other credit that's this in

597
00:44:40,519 --> 00:44:45,960
Florida. He was his dad on
a basically a trash company. They hauled

598
00:44:46,039 --> 00:44:52,079
off household resues to a landfill.
And when when the guy got olden the

599
00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:54,719
tire, he took his retirement.
But he needs a little lecture income,

600
00:44:54,840 --> 00:45:00,159
so he got him a job.
And they known him all his life since

601
00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:01,920
he was a little boy. And
then the old guy called him and said,

602
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,880
I want you to come out here
and let me let me show you

603
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:09,280
something I'm seeing. So he humored
him and he asked me to show what

604
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,960
knight. You want to do this? He said, oh no, I

605
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,199
don't want to do this at night. I don't want to be out here

606
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,440
at nighttime, not with this thing. He said, well, when you

607
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,559
want to do it, said,
just come out here about ten thirty eleven

608
00:45:20,559 --> 00:45:22,840
o'clock. And I used to see
him around Luce time when I meant him

609
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:29,239
the kids in the park. So
then he goes out there and he humors,

610
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,800
and they're sitting there and there's a
standing family. They're having a birthday

611
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:37,000
party for a child, and the
child got one of those whatever you called

612
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:39,239
hanging in a tree. They're hitting
with a stick and candy's coming out and

613
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:43,599
they're giggling and running. Everybody's having
a big time. And then all of

614
00:45:43,639 --> 00:45:45,800
a sudden, I got punks.
Is there he is? And he looks,

615
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:50,639
and sure enough, there this thing
is. And then he got his

616
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,960
full of a nundsided attention. Don't
look a little kid. So he's got

617
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,840
his you know, his iPhone in
his hand, so he puts it on

618
00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:00,719
record. He said, I'm seventy
five feet I got a full zoo.

619
00:46:00,199 --> 00:46:05,559
I got this thing dead right.
And I was really concerned that he was

620
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,320
it was gonna do something to one
of those children, and said I was

621
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:15,119
just before opened the truck door,
because this wasn't this was no normal book

622
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:20,519
this is one of those dog men
type of planning. And by that time

623
00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:23,119
two vehicles come back and they go
down the road to a one eighty and

624
00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:27,199
come right back to him, and
one of them gets out to the female

625
00:46:27,199 --> 00:46:30,519
on the mail. The mail comes
over to this side of the truck and

626
00:46:30,559 --> 00:46:32,719
said, I need your phone,
because they went by he was video and

627
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:37,079
that time, and they knew what
he had on that did they took his

628
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:39,000
phone, said you can pick it
up at the ranger station on the way

629
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:44,079
out. So you know, they
had a few words, and but he

630
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:49,000
he was satisfied. He really did
work for the government in some capacity.

631
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,519
But then he went back and picked
up the stone when they left. And

632
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:58,239
of course the lady that was in
the other vehicle, she had a black

633
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,639
better turn like one of his glass
like something you would listen. But it

634
00:47:01,679 --> 00:47:06,320
was a minting a tone, and
his dog was in the backseat, and

635
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,840
whatever this thing was a minting,
it was killing that dog. I mean

636
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:14,639
it was qualling and putting his paws
over his ears. And he actually told

637
00:47:14,679 --> 00:47:17,320
him that whatever you're doing, stop
if you're killing my dog. And so

638
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:21,519
the ladies shut it off. But
the animal that they were pointing it at

639
00:47:21,679 --> 00:47:24,480
had left and those kids were saved. But then he got out of the

640
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:30,920
park he started thinking about it.
He pulled over side the road, sim

641
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,760
carve was going off his phone.
All his contacts were gone, his work

642
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,360
was bidden underground utility. He looked
at his laptop. It was washed clean.

643
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:44,119
There was nothing on that laptop at
all. That's a perfect example of

644
00:47:45,159 --> 00:47:50,119
whatever this is. It's not supposed
to be it's not supposed to be recorded

645
00:47:50,199 --> 00:47:52,800
or work. It's not supposed to
be known, even if you do know

646
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:58,079
it. That's kind of bizarre.
Well, I'll tell you what they're doing

647
00:47:58,119 --> 00:48:01,800
a good job keeping it on to
wraps. I mean, well, if

648
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:06,480
that's the intention, I guess so. But I just you hear it six

649
00:48:06,559 --> 00:48:10,119
and seven and eight times different people
hadn't talked to each other. I don't

650
00:48:10,119 --> 00:48:14,800
know. I would just say,
folks going in the woods, don't going

651
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,320
arms. I tell my little brother
that all the time. I know,

652
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:22,679
he goes dumping all the time without
messing. You know, it won't take

653
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:27,840
one time you wish you had something, just the discouragement. Yeah, I've

654
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,519
spent a little bit of time telling
people and maybe this is bad advice,

655
00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:36,920
but you know, I walk back
here I've got five hundred acres behind me.

656
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:38,480
I don't own it, but my
neighbor does, and he says,

657
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:43,159
just do you do whatever you want
back there, And I ride my bike,

658
00:48:43,199 --> 00:48:45,079
take my dogs. I go one
night walks back there, just me

659
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:49,800
sometimes with the dogs. I never
think about a thing. I never worry

660
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,760
about anything. I just enjoyed outdoors. And I've told people, just because

661
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:59,440
you hear these stories, don't be
afraid to go enjoy nature. But maybe

662
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,880
that's bad advice. Well, I've
been in him when I was a little

663
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:07,840
fel since sensor will tell. And
I never thought about it, and nothing

664
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:12,480
come up and tried to eat me. I didn't. I didn't think any

665
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,719
more about it when I saw the
thing in Coba League. But one thing

666
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:20,559
I will share with you. The
first time I ever listened to any stories

667
00:49:20,599 --> 00:49:27,800
about this particular subject, I was
listening to Jim bakon Kombo Talk and he

668
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,400
was telling the story about his gread
daddy on their phone, and his greend

669
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:37,880
daddy called these things catamounts, and
I and when he said that, that

670
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:42,599
kind of just it's almost like some
my through cold water roaming. Because Western

671
00:49:42,639 --> 00:49:46,840
Carolina State University's mascot is a catamount. I'm thinking, well, that's odd,

672
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,159
and when he asked what it is, he said it's part bear,

673
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:55,119
part cat, and part monkey.
And then I think, well, yeah,

674
00:49:55,480 --> 00:50:00,639
my cover cover everything. But those
guys with the Outlaws, they have

675
00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:06,800
a long history with these things,
and but I just I just thought that

676
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,920
was that was a heck of a
coincidence. I was at Western Carolina State

677
00:50:12,599 --> 00:50:15,440
when I saw them. Really the
first one I resolved and their mask I

678
00:50:15,559 --> 00:50:20,599
was Kadam the first time I ever
listened to anybody talking about his granddad called

679
00:50:20,639 --> 00:50:27,039
him academy. Right, we're we
got about a minute to go before we're

680
00:50:27,039 --> 00:50:30,079
at an hour, and I'm gonna
we're gonna pass an hour. Nobody's gonna

681
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:32,199
listen to me, and you ye, I'm proud anybody does listen to me.

682
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:40,400
I'm a drum. I think I
think everyone loved hearing you talk,

683
00:50:40,599 --> 00:50:46,159
and I want to tell you how
much I appreciate you doing that being sick

684
00:50:46,199 --> 00:50:51,599
and all. Thanks for being my
third interview victim. I don't know how

685
00:50:51,639 --> 00:50:54,880
well these interviews were going to go, but this was extremely interesting and you're

686
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:59,519
a great storyteller. Well, kay, I can tell you the way you

687
00:50:59,639 --> 00:51:04,159
did the first time I heard you're
you telling the story. You do a

688
00:51:04,159 --> 00:51:07,440
good job in the narration, do
a great job pick in the intro music.

689
00:51:07,559 --> 00:51:14,719
Because I'm Capricorn, middle Georgia raised
person and I love to hear anybody

690
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:20,000
to play a dobo or slid it
also. But just keep up the good

691
00:51:20,039 --> 00:51:22,440
work, don't change anything you're doing. I'll listen to you anytime you want

692
00:51:23,079 --> 00:51:27,559
to talk, and I'll be glad
to if any way I can from man.

693
00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:30,199
I appreciate you. Let's keep in
touch. Thank you again. Listen

694
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:36,639
everybody, thanks for listening. I
really appreciate you listening this far. Eddie

695
00:51:36,639 --> 00:51:40,559
has been a great guest, just
very interesting, great storyteller from my region

696
00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:45,440
of the Southern United States, and
we kind of talkt the same language,

697
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,880
so it's really easy for me.
So that's going to wind it up for

698
00:51:49,920 --> 00:52:02,280
this video. I appreciate you'all listening. Thanks,