WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.840 --> 00:00:15.320 Adventist Radio London. Inspiration for the song We Welcome the Talking Point with Rayed 2 00:00:15.759 --> 00:00:21.760 Angeler discussing the hot topics and answering your questions Saturday's five to seven pm on 3 00:00:21.960 --> 00:00:27.600 Adventist Radio London. It's talking Point, it's talking point, it's talking point, 4 00:00:28.039 --> 00:00:37.200 it's talking point, conversations you need to have. Yeah you good evening, 5 00:00:37.240 --> 00:00:41.200 good evening, good evening, and welcome to talking Points. I apologize 6 00:00:41.200 --> 00:00:46.479 we start a little late forew technical difficulties, but we are here. I'm 7 00:00:46.520 --> 00:00:53.759 here in the studio. It's Angela and today I'm joined by Zenya, my 8 00:00:53.840 --> 00:00:58.320 trusty co host. Sadly, my other co host is joining us, but 9 00:00:58.439 --> 00:01:02.399 won't be hearing much from him unfortunately, has a bit of a cold or 10 00:01:02.439 --> 00:01:06.640 maybe flu or dare I say the sea word. Let's hope it's not that, 11 00:01:06.959 --> 00:01:12.840 But yes, Pedro, hopefully you get better soon. Yeah, we'll 12 00:01:12.879 --> 00:01:18.000 miss your dulcit tones coming through the radio now. But well, I hope 13 00:01:18.040 --> 00:01:25.239 you've all had a really good sabbath and you are here locked in with us 14 00:01:25.519 --> 00:01:29.879 and ready to hear a really good show today. I hope you've all had 15 00:01:29.920 --> 00:01:34.599 a good week, and yeah, here we are, So we're going to 16 00:01:34.680 --> 00:01:38.280 get started. We'll say hello to everybody in a second, but let's start 17 00:01:38.319 --> 00:01:41.920 off by having a word of prayer. Father God, I want to thank 18 00:01:41.920 --> 00:01:44.200 you for blessing us with the Sabbath day, dea Lord, and I thank 19 00:01:44.239 --> 00:01:47.760 you that we have the opportunity to be on the radio, to share a 20 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:51.400 word and share some information. And I pray de Lord that what we're going 21 00:01:51.439 --> 00:01:53.879 to be talking about today will be a blessing to someone. We're touching on 22 00:01:53.879 --> 00:01:57.879 one of our topics that we often talk around, mental health and how that 23 00:01:57.920 --> 00:02:01.719 can that can things that we do can impact them and make a big difference. 24 00:02:02.040 --> 00:02:05.799 I thank you Your Lord for blessing us. And yes, best I 25 00:02:05.879 --> 00:02:12.159 show today. This is my prayer. Amen Amen. So I said, 26 00:02:12.199 --> 00:02:20.520 yeah, how are we? I am wow rush today jumping from one to 27 00:02:20.599 --> 00:02:23.680 the next, but I thank God for life, thank God for the saber, 28 00:02:23.879 --> 00:02:29.599 thank God for bringing me through another week. So in all, I 29 00:02:29.639 --> 00:02:38.520 am well, and well has you been a busy one? It has been? 30 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:42.560 It has been, But when is it not? Is the question? 31 00:02:43.159 --> 00:02:46.879 As you. I mean, we've been saying it so often that it's become 32 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:53.719 the word of the month a YEARI how busy and hectically tired. Just how 33 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:59.400 quick time is going as well, which is yeah, yeah, you know 34 00:02:59.479 --> 00:03:00.879 every week we say this, oh we're here again, and it's like, 35 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:07.759 yeah, how was seven days past already? But yeah, but thankful, 36 00:03:07.879 --> 00:03:13.000 I mean, same with me, busy as always. It feels like I've 37 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:15.919 been without my car actually this week, and interestingly enough, I'm not verse 38 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:19.919 to public transport, but I realize how much having a car often makes a 39 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:23.039 difference. Everything's taken a lot longer than i'd normally normally do, and you 40 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:27.800 know, I probably miscalculating some of my time frames as well, so it's 41 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:31.199 taken a lot longer. But you know, yeah, it's not been a 42 00:03:31.199 --> 00:03:36.680 bad week. I know, we always talk about the weather. It's been 43 00:03:36.680 --> 00:03:38.840 a bit of a mixed bag again, although we've had a bit of a 44 00:03:38.120 --> 00:03:43.879 some nice weather this week, which has been surprising for October. But you 45 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:46.479 know, the last few days's been a bit raining. But today on my 46 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:51.400 way, I actually saw a rainbow today, which makes me really happy, 47 00:03:52.159 --> 00:03:57.599 you know, and yes, definitely reminders that God, yeah, it's definitely 48 00:03:57.639 --> 00:04:02.719 turn I'm liking the kind of crispness of the air with the sunshine, not 49 00:04:02.800 --> 00:04:05.599 so much with the rain. I got caught out in the rain. I 50 00:04:05.639 --> 00:04:11.639 think on actually yesterday, that's what Pleasure was saying as well, Yeah he 51 00:04:12.919 --> 00:04:18.360 was caught in it and possibly has just for people to be aware of this 52 00:04:18.439 --> 00:04:24.279 weather is difficult to dress for, difficult to maneuvering in because you think, 53 00:04:24.319 --> 00:04:26.639 oh, yeah it's going to be warm. It's not. You think it's 54 00:04:26.639 --> 00:04:35.480 going to be bright. It's typical weather. It definitely is. Yes, 55 00:04:36.639 --> 00:04:43.000 So we're going to jump right in. So today we are going to be 56 00:04:43.079 --> 00:04:47.399 talking and highlighted. This week it was Mental World Mental Health Day on Tuesday, 57 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:51.240 and you know we like to talk about definitely want to you know, 58 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:57.160 have the conversation going about mental health of alls and you know, mental health. 59 00:04:57.199 --> 00:04:59.439 The theme this year was that, you know, mental health is a 60 00:04:59.519 --> 00:05:03.480 human right for everyone, and you know we all have mental health and we're 61 00:05:03.519 --> 00:05:08.079 really trying to promote good, positive mental health and looking at ways and how 62 00:05:08.079 --> 00:05:11.600 you can look after yourself. There are obviously, having said all of that, 63 00:05:11.720 --> 00:05:17.879 it's a universal right, but there are disparities around mental health in terms 64 00:05:17.879 --> 00:05:24.360 of different groups, different ethnicities, et cetera. More probably we speak probably 65 00:05:24.399 --> 00:05:29.839 a lot about how mental health impacts young people and children. The high levels 66 00:05:29.839 --> 00:05:34.759 of mental health maybe not so spoken about in terms with men, especially different 67 00:05:34.759 --> 00:05:38.040 groups and what have you. But an area that we're going to touch on 68 00:05:38.079 --> 00:05:43.079 today is actually with seniors. I know we were having a chat about this 69 00:05:43.160 --> 00:05:46.079 in terms of the Golden Years or the Twilight years, I was told yesterday 70 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:49.079 and I was like, okay, so mental health and wellbeing the Twilight years, 71 00:05:49.759 --> 00:05:55.439 which I have symptoms, isn't really spoken about as much unless it's to 72 00:05:55.480 --> 00:05:58.759 do with an illness. I think as people get older, you know, 73 00:05:58.839 --> 00:06:01.439 it's you know, these I suppose are breaking down. You know, you 74 00:06:01.519 --> 00:06:03.680 can't do the things that we maybe used to do when we're younger. Having 75 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:08.879 said that, that's what we sometimes is a perception. However, actually, 76 00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:12.199 you know, there are many older people who you know, they're thriving, 77 00:06:12.800 --> 00:06:16.519 they're doing things from day to day and mental health is still just important to 78 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:20.319 them. So today, we've got a couple of guests on with us today 79 00:06:20.360 --> 00:06:27.319 have joined us. One we made letters may recognize the nom already because she's 80 00:06:27.399 --> 00:06:32.120 joined the show before. We've got Dorothy Elliott on, one of our resident 81 00:06:32.360 --> 00:06:41.480 therapists and counselors, and we've also she recently ran a project at Ballum Church 82 00:06:41.800 --> 00:06:46.439 for they have a senior citizens group called the Autumn Rose Club. Now, 83 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:48.920 as a member of Balam, I'm going to champion this one. So but 84 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:53.680 it was really interesting that they've done this now with the Autumn Rose Club has 85 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:57.000 been going for many years, and we've got one of the co founders on 86 00:06:57.120 --> 00:06:59.680 with us today, in General Robinson. So we hear a little bit from 87 00:06:59.720 --> 00:07:04.800 her second but I find it really interesting, and I'll get Dorothy to talk 88 00:07:04.800 --> 00:07:11.000 a little bit about the team that she leads, Avertt Ballam and why something 89 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:15.759 like that's really important, but also then how they are working with different groups, 90 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:19.439 whether it's in the church or within the community as well. So we're 91 00:07:19.439 --> 00:07:26.600 gonna hear from them shortly. I'm gonna play a quick track. I've picked 92 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:29.120 up another one that one of my favorite songs. I'm gonna I quite like 93 00:07:29.199 --> 00:07:32.959 Kirk Franklin generally, but I'm gonna play I Smile because I saw a rainbow 94 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:36.600 coming in. Always makes me feel happy, always brings a smile, something 95 00:07:36.680 --> 00:07:40.480 I haven't seen for a long time. So we'll start with that and then 96 00:07:40.519 --> 00:07:46.319 we'll come back and we'll get this conversation going. So I Smile by Kirk 97 00:07:46.439 --> 00:08:09.199 Franklin Depression today. But there is no sunshine, nothing but clouds, and 98 00:08:09.279 --> 00:08:16.000 it started in my heart and it feels like a cold night. Today's a 99 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:24.160 do today? Where ama sky? Where is a love? And the joy 100 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:28.360 that you promised me tell me so right? I'll be honest with you. 101 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:39.159 I mostly a power that Candy Spain fell from heaven like a shower. When 102 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:45.480 I think comes better. I'm gonna beleeve when this is over. Even though 103 00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:52.000 I see I smile, I know that is working. So e a beautiful 104 00:08:52.240 --> 00:09:01.000 wow? What you do? I smile? Come on, smile show would 105 00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:07.559 hate to sing again now God's people, ye so much shallow baes smile so 106 00:09:07.600 --> 00:09:13.240 s every day gonna be perfect, but it's still on me today don't have 107 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:22.519 purpose? Come on today but there is no sunshine, nothing but clouds, 108 00:09:22.519 --> 00:09:28.039 and it starting my heart and it feels like a cold night. It ain't 109 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:35.360 easy, but today's you tell me wherever my lucy, where is that love? 110 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:39.279 Y'all is love and the joy that you promise me tell me is all 111 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:48.440 right? The truth is almost power and I can't explay Holy goes power with 112 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:56.840 y'all from mad like the shower I know would hurt child, but still come 113 00:09:56.879 --> 00:10:03.159 home even though I see and you have to feel that guy's fucking so much 114 00:10:03.240 --> 00:10:18.720 skill stop town. So I hate to say it again cause people give us 115 00:10:18.799 --> 00:10:35.960 so much. Let's whoa. Can you just smile whatever you're in right now, 116 00:10:35.559 --> 00:10:54.240 smile and you just SMI and the people saying so much, you know 117 00:10:54.320 --> 00:11:05.799 it's must say you and why you're waiting here? Yeah, and why you 118 00:11:05.960 --> 00:11:20.440 praying? You look in the mirror, always remember the sommerstad almost but that 119 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:31.279 holy goes power yall turned down from having horse difficulties. Here's his doors. 120 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:41.080 This is what I do. This, whatever is good is all things are 121 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:52.320 working? Still stop. I know it's hard right now. We hate to 122 00:11:52.320 --> 00:12:01.519 see again because you're a winner. You look better. Tell us much, 123 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:22.159 New Orleans, come on, Cleveland, Detroit, chose hello. All the 124 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:30.960 people say, see, I just don't want you to be happy because then 125 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:35.120 you gotta have something happen there. I want you to have joy, because 126 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:45.799 can't nobody take that tun I see you smiling, okay, Franklin, I 127 00:12:45.960 --> 00:12:50.559 smile, And definitely smiling is definitely a good thing to be doing. Definitely 128 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:54.279 if you're will and facts, actually smiling and laughing is actually very good for 129 00:12:54.320 --> 00:12:58.879 your well being. Releases what I would always call those happy hormones, but 130 00:12:58.960 --> 00:13:03.559 the serotonin and mean so definitely whatever brings you joy, do more of that, 131 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:09.840 and let's see those smiles. So Cynia, we're talking today a little 132 00:13:09.840 --> 00:13:13.679 bit about mental health in relation to older I just think, what's this term? 133 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:18.720 Actually we should be using senior citizens of seniors. But I also I 134 00:13:18.759 --> 00:13:24.399 know when I was talking to Joan yesterday calling it the twilight years or the 135 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:28.120 golden years. You know, for many people they sort of see this the 136 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:33.320 best years of their life that maybe that could be questionable possibly but because things 137 00:13:33.360 --> 00:13:41.840 obviously do very different. But yes, totally getting there and I have I 138 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:46.120 know, you know, I know, hopefully God willing, I've got years 139 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:48.799 to come. But I know sometimes I say that aging is real and it 140 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:52.519 comes around very quickly. But with that said, you know, you know, 141 00:13:52.519 --> 00:13:56.279 if you're living well, staying healthy, you can be thriving into your 142 00:13:56.279 --> 00:14:00.639 senior years as well. So so we have our guests today, Like I 143 00:14:00.639 --> 00:14:03.759 said, we've got Dorothy in the studio with us, and we've got one 144 00:14:03.799 --> 00:14:07.279 of the co founders of the Autumn Rose Club, Joe Robinson, who I'm 145 00:14:07.320 --> 00:14:11.360 going to bring on now just to kind of introduce herself and just tell us 146 00:14:11.360 --> 00:14:16.200 a little bit about the club itself, a little bit of the history. 147 00:14:18.440 --> 00:14:22.399 Yes, so welcome Joan. Thank you so much for joining us and you 148 00:14:22.440 --> 00:14:24.720 know, taking your time out this evening. And how are things with you? 149 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:30.279 And how's your week been? Okay, where do I start? How's 150 00:14:30.320 --> 00:14:33.600 my week been a little bit? Tell us a little bit about you and 151 00:14:33.759 --> 00:14:41.200 how you've been. I've been fine, very busy, as always occupied with 152 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:46.600 various commitments as most of us are, with our family members and siblings and 153 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:54.679 church and work. But thankfully I'm not in paid work, well not not 154 00:14:54.679 --> 00:15:00.000 not for finance anyway. Okay, So but did reasons though that I've never 155 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:05.279 really retired. But I'm giving thanks, okay, and this opportunity is really 156 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:11.679 made very nervous. Actually, please don't be you know, we'd like to 157 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:16.759 think on talking point. It's like having a discussion amongst friends, right, 158 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:20.600 Yes we are on the airways. People are listening, but you know, 159 00:15:22.039 --> 00:15:26.080 yeah, just ye just talk away. So so thank you for that. 160 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:28.159 So tell us a little bit about the Autumn Rose Club. Now, as 161 00:15:28.200 --> 00:15:33.159 a member of Ballum Church, I know of the Motor Autumn Rose Club and 162 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:35.480 since it's been going for a long time. So tell us a little bit 163 00:15:35.480 --> 00:15:41.559 about the club, how it started and why it started. So I know 164 00:15:41.600 --> 00:15:50.279 you're one of the co founders. Okay. So the club has been going 165 00:15:50.360 --> 00:15:58.000 now for over twenty plus years. It started with some seniors who failed that 166 00:16:00.279 --> 00:16:04.519 they didn't have any form of involvement in the community other than coming to church 167 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:14.679 or doing their shopping. And as a fairly new person in the church, 168 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:21.639 I was taken under their wings as the mothers of Zion. Yeah, and 169 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:26.480 they would often invite me to their birthday parties and various other things. And 170 00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:33.279 I didn't feel that I had enough in relation with them apart from the fact 171 00:16:33.320 --> 00:16:40.720 that they were initiating me into the church life. And because I coming from 172 00:16:40.720 --> 00:16:45.240 an Anglican background, they were interested to know what made me chose to give 173 00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:52.279 up my previous Christian religion and come to the Semi Adventists. So from that 174 00:16:52.360 --> 00:17:02.559 we got talking and they were disappointed that the church didn't provide any social activities 175 00:17:02.639 --> 00:17:10.240 for the seniors, and so individual homes became the place of socializing, which 176 00:17:10.319 --> 00:17:14.119 was great and I loved it because I got to learn so much about the 177 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:18.000 seniors. So when I see them in church and Sabab. Whilst they were 178 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:22.039 mother in Zion, they were also my spiritual guardian, just like I am 179 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:30.319 to other people. So from that I remember thinking how can we reach out 180 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:34.480 for their needs? And one of the challenges that I was given was to 181 00:17:34.519 --> 00:17:41.880 do a survey in the church and I did this survey and ironically Dorothy was 182 00:17:41.920 --> 00:17:45.839 one of the instrumental person in that research that we did, you know, 183 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:56.680 and they it took many information gathering with the church members and getting it on 184 00:17:56.759 --> 00:18:03.960 the church board agenda to be discussed and greed and eventually it did get on 185 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:08.680 the agenda, and it took a lot of debate and they did agreed for 186 00:18:08.880 --> 00:18:14.480 us to have a club. However, at the time they were mainly concerned 187 00:18:14.519 --> 00:18:18.240 with where would the club be if it is part of the church. And 188 00:18:19.480 --> 00:18:25.319 at the time we were into our building project, Ballum Churches building project, 189 00:18:25.799 --> 00:18:30.640 and we didn't have any washroom facilities apart from the porter cabins that we had 190 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:37.519 outside, and we didn't have any canting facilities either. So what we did 191 00:18:37.599 --> 00:18:42.440 was we said we would only have the activities inside what was It wasn't a 192 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:48.759 gym, but it was the most suitable place that we could occupy very briefly, 193 00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:56.559 and that's where it started. And then we got together again to choose 194 00:18:56.599 --> 00:19:00.680 the name, okay, and again that took a number of research, so 195 00:19:00.759 --> 00:19:06.039 it wasn't any one person who chose it. So the name became Autumn Rose 196 00:19:06.279 --> 00:19:11.200 Club because it represented someone said the sunset when the sun sets in the evening, 197 00:19:11.319 --> 00:19:18.039 so it's like twilight years. So that was that's where the Twilight Years 198 00:19:18.039 --> 00:19:21.599 came from. And some of the individuals, I'd love to name them because 199 00:19:21.599 --> 00:19:26.160 they were so instrumental. One of them was Dorothy's mother, sister Anderson, 200 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:32.119 and another Anderson. They all related. Eron's mom. I don't know if 201 00:19:32.119 --> 00:19:37.160 you all know Eron Anderson his mom. And then and the number for the 202 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:41.000 brother Mum frees Senior and oh my gosh, I can't think of all their 203 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:47.720 names now. But the same eight person, Joyce Hinglton, who came together 204 00:19:47.920 --> 00:19:53.559 and made it all what happened. We've been the same eight committee ever since 205 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:57.039 to this day, apart from those who were not alive, of course, 206 00:19:57.839 --> 00:20:03.200 and so i'd like to made their sort of continued rest in peace. And 207 00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:07.359 then Sister Page as well, and Sister Messiah. You know, these are 208 00:20:07.359 --> 00:20:11.359 the people who were instrumental in making this all happen. And at the time 209 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:15.880 I was women Ministry's leader and Sister Bennett. I could I forget Sister Bennett 210 00:20:17.039 --> 00:20:19.400 because she, Sister Bennett, was the one who came to me initially to 211 00:20:19.440 --> 00:20:25.160 ask if I would like to lead out in it, and then from there 212 00:20:25.480 --> 00:20:29.000 I'm going backwards, luck because I'm trying to remember off the top of my 213 00:20:29.079 --> 00:20:32.240 head how it all went. But it took a lot of planning and a 214 00:20:32.319 --> 00:20:37.680 lot of persuading and how we were going to run the club and which day 215 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:41.519 week it would happen. So it's changed over the years. I think we 216 00:20:41.599 --> 00:20:45.559 used to start on a Thursday. Then it come on a Tuesday, and 217 00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:51.720 it's been a Tuesday now for a very very long time. And we used 218 00:20:51.759 --> 00:20:59.559 to have between thirty and fifty members, and it was about thirty thirty ladies 219 00:20:59.559 --> 00:21:03.640 and my ten men, sometimes twelve men, and the men would only play 220 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:07.799 dominoes and there wouldn't and they were cooking any of anythings. So dominoes were 221 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:12.640 their baby. And that's sort of the things that happened. And here we 222 00:21:12.680 --> 00:21:18.039 are twenty three plus years later, you know, and the major setback that 223 00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:26.759 we've had is with It's with COVID back in twenty nineteen, early twenty and 224 00:21:27.279 --> 00:21:33.480 we continued online for for nearly two years, which was great. Yeah, 225 00:21:33.680 --> 00:21:37.920 and shall I shall I stop there? Yeah? No, that's coolus because 226 00:21:37.920 --> 00:21:41.240 I was gonna say, it's interesting you brought in about COVID because I was 227 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:44.359 wondering. Obviously the key thing there, from what I can see, you 228 00:21:44.440 --> 00:21:47.519 decided to put it together because it's a way of everybody coming together. There 229 00:21:47.559 --> 00:21:52.000 wasn't anything for the seniors, and I guess one of the was one of 230 00:21:52.039 --> 00:21:55.720 the main things then for you to kind of keep those connections going outside of 231 00:21:55.839 --> 00:21:57.359 church. So you've got other things that it is. So what kind of 232 00:21:57.359 --> 00:22:00.079 activities and things did you sort of would you put the club? Could the 233 00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:06.000 members be doing club? Right? So we did a lot of activities. 234 00:22:07.519 --> 00:22:11.799 Exercise was the main thing to because they felt that they didn't get any They 235 00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:18.200 didn't have the opportunity to have any physical reason to leave their home other than 236 00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:22.880 if they go shopping or to come out to church, right, So the 237 00:22:22.960 --> 00:22:27.000 exercise was one of their priority. The next thing was to do with their 238 00:22:27.559 --> 00:22:33.319 spiritual needs and their mental needs, and we were one of the first group 239 00:22:34.039 --> 00:22:42.200 that connected with the community and we put on Alzheimer's Workshop workshop on Alzheimer's back 240 00:22:42.200 --> 00:22:49.519 then, because Assimer's was the first area of mental health challenges and they focused 241 00:22:49.599 --> 00:22:53.200 on seniors. And we have a recording which we I think we were to 242 00:22:53.200 --> 00:22:59.240 get it out of the archive and show it to see how far we've come 243 00:22:59.319 --> 00:23:02.400 and what was happening back then, you know. And we're still with that 244 00:23:02.759 --> 00:23:08.839 community group now as well, and they've been supporting, supportive of our activities 245 00:23:10.519 --> 00:23:18.839 and help us with access fundings as well to keep the club going. And 246 00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:22.960 it's been quite interesting over the years, you know, to see where we've 247 00:23:23.000 --> 00:23:27.119 come from and where we're going to go. Because we down COVID, we 248 00:23:27.119 --> 00:23:32.440 didn't think it would survive, you know, especially when we it took so 249 00:23:32.519 --> 00:23:37.119 long to get them into the technology being seniors right then we've got them active 250 00:23:37.240 --> 00:23:41.000 and want to do it, and then they had to come offline and go 251 00:23:41.119 --> 00:23:47.200 back in persons, which has taken a long time. But what has made 252 00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:52.400 it more viable at the moment is partnering with Dorothy with the Mental Health and 253 00:23:52.440 --> 00:24:03.559 Well Being Department, and that has really cared an interest so that people have 254 00:24:03.799 --> 00:24:07.960 other ways of talking. So once once they were happy to come for the 255 00:24:07.039 --> 00:24:15.400 exercise session. They were not challenging with the interactive part of their life because 256 00:24:15.559 --> 00:24:19.759 they said they didn't see anyone, not in some of their family members, 257 00:24:19.839 --> 00:24:25.559 yes, but anyone outside of church and never saw them until from one Sabbath 258 00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:30.799 for the next, so that that was their main concern. So we used 259 00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:33.680 to have prayer session as well, and we still do. And one of 260 00:24:33.759 --> 00:24:37.359 the things that we were praying for was to get the young people to join 261 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:42.680 up with us. But it's taken so long because there were different reasons why 262 00:24:42.680 --> 00:24:48.400 it's taking this long, But the main thing was the young people who we 263 00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:52.519 approached, I don't think they were ready for people to know. And the 264 00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:56.759 young I'm talking about those who were in their fifties, that's what I'm talking 265 00:24:56.799 --> 00:25:02.079 about. I would say, oh, we don't want anyone to know that 266 00:25:02.119 --> 00:25:04.759 we're fifty, you know, we're not going to say because when we started 267 00:25:04.799 --> 00:25:11.039 it was sixty plus right then when we wanted more help because the seniors all 268 00:25:11.079 --> 00:25:14.880 at the time, some of them were seventy and eighty, you know, 269 00:25:15.519 --> 00:25:19.480 and I was their baby at the time to them, right So the other 270 00:25:19.960 --> 00:25:25.799 members in the church who were in approateen sixty. They didn't want anyone to 271 00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:27.079 know that they were sixty. So we said, oh kay, let's put 272 00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:30.440 it down to fifty then, and that was all. We changed it from 273 00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:33.039 sixty to fifty. And now that wanted to change a game. But I'm 274 00:25:33.079 --> 00:25:37.480 not sure what's going to happen. But as long as it continues, I 275 00:25:37.519 --> 00:25:41.799 really don't care. Yeah, well I don't care. I do care that 276 00:25:42.920 --> 00:25:48.599 it was still continue in a progressive and positive way, of course, but 277 00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:56.039 not sort of regress and going back to not being available to people. You 278 00:25:56.079 --> 00:26:02.880 know, we wanted to be relatable and to be interactive and we just love 279 00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:06.359 for more men to come. Okay, yeah, cool. So and you've 280 00:26:06.559 --> 00:26:10.839 you've just to jump in because you said a lot there, and as you're 281 00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:14.680 talking, I'm wanting to unpack a bit of what you've said. Firstly, 282 00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:19.920 you talk about there being some difficulty in getting the project or the club off 283 00:26:19.960 --> 00:26:25.839 the ground. I've got to start there because I want to know, if 284 00:26:25.839 --> 00:26:29.640 you're to give advice to others who may be thinking of doing something like this, 285 00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:33.759 what are some of the hurdles that they might expect and how do they 286 00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:37.960 overcome them. You're saying that it was it took a while to get onto 287 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:41.519 the board. That surprises me. It took a long a while to be 288 00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:45.599 approved. What are some of the things that they should look out for, 289 00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:51.039 because I think this is such an amazing project, an amazing club, it 290 00:26:51.079 --> 00:26:56.359 really should be wider spread. I quite agree with you on that. But 291 00:26:56.359 --> 00:27:03.799 what we need to bear in mind is that church in its in its priority 292 00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:10.640 learning has come a long way because when we started this, it wasn't the 293 00:27:10.880 --> 00:27:15.799 done thing. You know, they just concentrated on their spirituality, so they 294 00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:22.799 didn't see the need for from a club steparate to the church. Yes, 295 00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:27.720 so we've come a long way from that. And also why it took a 296 00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:36.799 long time, it's the objections because as you know, we're all human beings 297 00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:41.400 and still there are some people who won't move with changes. You know that 298 00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:48.119 they are setting their ways and until they see things happening, they won't support 299 00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:52.839 it. So a lot of us and we as as our culture, we 300 00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:59.519 won't support things until we see its progression and how much it's happening, how 301 00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:03.000 much people bought into it. So what the time as well? The other 302 00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:07.720 challenges was it's not the dumb thing, what kind of club it would be? 303 00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:14.160 And Also there were some seniors who were still around saying that we've already 304 00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:18.079 had the club and it just fizzled out after a little while. It didn't 305 00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:22.559 last, So why do you think that our club would last? And I 306 00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:25.599 said, I don't know why your club didn't last, but our club last 307 00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:30.960 will last because we are serious about it. And the woman ministry was just 308 00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:37.880 about getting recognition as well, you know. So it seemed like God has 309 00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:42.440 brought me the church for starting things, but not just starting it and leaving 310 00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:47.880 it. Because I'm a determined person in the sense of when I start something, 311 00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:49.799 I want to see it start and finished. Yes, and if it's 312 00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:55.880 not to finish, it must start and thrive to continue. Yeah, so 313 00:28:56.119 --> 00:29:00.640 we've got to also, so in another answer to your question, with current 314 00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:07.880 their current day culture and people, in order to get people to buy into 315 00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:15.640 a new practice or a new vision, lobbying not like the politicians do, 316 00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:21.960 but talking to people of like mind in order to let them see what it 317 00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:26.039 is that you're trying to do. That it's not about changing the spirituality of 318 00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:33.559 the church or being a offshoot. It's about meeting people's needs. Because meet 319 00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:40.279 people's needs in all areas of their life. And often times when I'm in 320 00:29:40.359 --> 00:29:45.920 the church, you know, people used to feel that, oh the ceremony 321 00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:49.519 is all I've got and some sermons didn't even do it for me. Yeah, 322 00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:55.240 and I'm home and my children may not be in the church, So 323 00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:57.160 what do I do? Who do I talk to? You know? So 324 00:29:57.599 --> 00:30:00.559 those are the things. So we need to be mindful of those things. 325 00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:07.200 And it's not about forcing people to accept what you're trying to achieve, but 326 00:30:07.319 --> 00:30:11.200 to let them see the benefits and the reason why you're doing it that is, 327 00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:14.480 you know, it's selfless. It's not because you want to promote sale, 328 00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:18.759 but because you really care. Good man. I love that. And 329 00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:21.359 again, as you were just talking there, Joan in terms of you know 330 00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:23.000 who you are as a person that I forgot to mention at the beginning. 331 00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:29.359 It's also Black History Month and the theme is celebrating our sisters. So I 332 00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:32.960 think it's really lovely again that we have two women who are making a difference 333 00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:37.240 and an impact in our communities, both church and outside in our local areas 334 00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:41.000 as well. So yeah, that ties in beautifully with that as well. 335 00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:44.960 So I'm going to go to Dorothy now just to talk a little bit about 336 00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:48.680 the team that she leads over at ballam so a new initiative that she set 337 00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:52.400 up. So I just want to hear about that, and then we'll talk 338 00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:56.000 a little bit about how the two of linked together autumn. Rosus. Obviously 339 00:30:56.039 --> 00:30:59.680 you've done some kind of products around mental health, but especially after COVID I 340 00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:03.319 guess many challenges that came from that as to where I'm going to go there. 341 00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:07.160 So Dorothy, how are we today? I'm well, thank you. 342 00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:11.720 Yeah, the weather's been beautiful. It's not it's been as hot as maybe 343 00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:14.799 we'd like, but I think it's Once I see the sun, I'm happy. 344 00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:18.880 And we've seen the sun and we've seen the rain and we've felt the 345 00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:22.599 breeze. But I'm grateful. Had a great day this morning in church and 346 00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:26.240 I'm here in the studio, which is a verse. Yeah. Is it 347 00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:30.039 exciting. Yes, it's always nice to have the company. So that's fantastic. 348 00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:33.440 So Dorothy, now, just for the listeners who may not have heard 349 00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:37.279 you before, tell us a little bit about yourself, what you do, 350 00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:40.200 and then tell us a bit about the team that you need at about them. 351 00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:45.440 Okay, so yeah, my name's Dorothy. I am a psychotherapist over 352 00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:55.480 twenty odd years, maybe thirty years, mainly practiced within education university colleges. 353 00:31:55.680 --> 00:32:00.160 Right now I have a private practice. I go into organizations and do workshops 354 00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:08.720 talk about on different topics. Let's talk about the church. This year, 355 00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:16.960 eighteen months ago Ballam Church started a mental health and well being department, which 356 00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:22.359 I'm heading and really really excited to do this because I think it's something that 357 00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:28.920 the church needs. It's really important about our safety and giving people a safe 358 00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:37.000 space. So what we've done at Ballam is try to get into each department 359 00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:40.200 of the church. We felt it was really important not to be a stand 360 00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:47.319 alone project, but something that is in it we get involved with. Each 361 00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:53.640 department is entwined. So we were very very keen to work with the Autumn 362 00:32:53.680 --> 00:32:58.880 Rose Club. One of the reasons, as Joan said, the Autumn Rose 363 00:32:58.920 --> 00:33:02.759 Club real was beneficial for my mother. My dad used to that he kept 364 00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:07.160 her out of problems, he knew where she was on a Tuesday, and 365 00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:09.480 she built up some really good friendships. So that was one of the main 366 00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:14.400 things, other than going to church on the Sabbath. There's some really solid 367 00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:22.759 friendships and people in the community which she otherwise probably would not have what's met 368 00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:28.400 with and spoken to. So it's really keen to work with the senior members 369 00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:30.640 of our church. And it was how do we get to it? So 370 00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:38.039 let's do this, and so I had an idea to do six weeks workshop. 371 00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:42.039 We said, start somewhere, see how it all works. And it 372 00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:45.279 was also because I used to speak with Journal and wanted to get involved with 373 00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:47.200 Autumn Rows. And we spoke together and we thought, what do we need 374 00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:52.720 to do to get people more involved get back after COVID And it was to 375 00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:58.759 offer them something more than just the exercises because we try and do things holistic. 376 00:33:58.839 --> 00:34:02.880 Their mind, bodies, under soul, spiritual life, and physical health. 377 00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:08.480 Mental health really really important for Autumn Roads and the church at large. 378 00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:14.599 So we came together and thought, right, yeah, let's do something. 379 00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:24.599 We offered them six workshops. What were they on? Bereavement loss, difficult 380 00:34:24.679 --> 00:34:34.800 communication in financial struggles, confusion, disconnected from the youth. That's initially their 381 00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:37.559 workshops. We decided to do so with those workshops that you had, those 382 00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:42.320 different themes and topics, were they ones that you were chosen? Was it 383 00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:45.360 in collaboration or is it something because I guess what was I'm thinking there is 384 00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:51.840 are the particular issues or concerns that seem the either person to seniors or that 385 00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:55.159 seniors are facing. I don't know if that's necessarily universal across the board, 386 00:34:55.239 --> 00:35:01.199 but why are those particular topics? So one of the reasons I had spoken 387 00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:06.280 to some of the senior members of BALA, but in my own private practice, 388 00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:10.199 I was just reflecting on the clienteles that I had and what they came 389 00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:15.199 to me on at at a certain age, and those were some of the 390 00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:20.639 themes that were coming through. That's how I chose those. Okay, cool, 391 00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:24.840 So you did six weeks. Six weeks, so tell me a little 392 00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:30.800 bit about how you ran the sessions. Okay, So the first week that 393 00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:32.480 we started, we actually did seven because the first week we started, we 394 00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:37.119 didn't get past introduction because we just said, you know, it was the 395 00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:46.440 first exercise I gave them to do was just introduce yourself, and I gave 396 00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:50.360 them excise how to do it, and we did it. And then it 397 00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:54.480 was what is it you want from these workshops? And we just had a 398 00:35:54.599 --> 00:36:00.079 whole session because the workshops were only an hour because we thought we wanted we 399 00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:04.119 didn't want to make it too long, give them something and they want to 400 00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:09.960 come back. And I just noticed they wanted to talk. They wanted to 401 00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:15.039 talk, they spoke. We had to really manage them because they would have 402 00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:20.440 just spoken and spoken. What was interesting for me because the week before I 403 00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:24.840 had worked with some teenagers and I did a workshop with them, and then 404 00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:30.360 when I came to do with our senior members, very similar traits. Oh 405 00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:35.840 interesting. They spoke, they had their phones on, their phone was ringing, 406 00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:42.119 nobody was listening to me. It was really interesting. But they liked 407 00:36:42.159 --> 00:36:45.519 just being together in that safe place. Because the thing is the mental health 408 00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:50.559 team, but we tried to create safe places for people to talk. So 409 00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:54.199 a part of the how we made this safe was it was just them and 410 00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:59.840 we offered them. What I liked this month is you I think you alluded 411 00:36:59.840 --> 00:37:05.400 to mental health. We yeah, it word mental Health Day. And one 412 00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:07.639 of the things as you're talking there, they're one of the things that they 413 00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:10.480 encourage and it's come up across several campaigns is the idea of tea and talk. 414 00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:14.960 So basically the idea of getting to I mean, food's always a good 415 00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:19.199 thing to bring people together and people like to talk and food, tea, 416 00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:22.239 cake, patties, whatever, it would be is often a way to kind 417 00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:27.920 of get people comfortable sit around chatting and making those connections. So as you're 418 00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:31.039 saying that that really yeah. Yeah. So when Joan and I spoke, 419 00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:37.119 we thought food's important a light refreshment, and we offered them a patty and 420 00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:39.639 a drink, okay, and they did like that. They stay and when 421 00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:42.920 we get it was at the end. We gave them that and then they 422 00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:46.280 could just talk to each other, sit down and talk together, and they 423 00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:53.000 really did enjoy that. Cool. Cool. So in terms of how you 424 00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:59.119 how many people attended the sessions now again is I guess this was a bit 425 00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:00.960 of a new it's a new project that you were doing. What was the 426 00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:07.840 interest like? So the first week Jones said that eight people turned up. 427 00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:12.840 The second week it doubled, Oh wow, there were sixty, and every 428 00:38:12.920 --> 00:38:19.000 week it doubled. And the week it really went we had the largest when 429 00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:22.679 we did it was it we did one week on loneliness, that right, 430 00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:27.760 Joe, And then the next was bereavement and everybody turned out to that. 431 00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:34.800 That was the most attended one. The loneliness and bereavement that was we just 432 00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:38.119 got I think the we had how much was it most we had their thirty 433 00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:44.079 Hamminy Joe, Yes, we had thirty. I think it was over thirty 434 00:38:44.119 --> 00:38:49.119 one week as well. But those two people were that it was amazing. 435 00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:57.159 Those two were asked, is that just for trash? No? Was it 436 00:38:57.199 --> 00:38:59.840 all goned to the community. It was open to the community, and most 437 00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:05.119 of the people was from the community. Most of them were from the community, 438 00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:08.639 and they came because the first week they're not on church people that they 439 00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:14.360 go to their own church, most of them. And the first week I 440 00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:16.360 said to them, let's do this thing. Each one, bring one. 441 00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:22.599 So next week you come, bring somebody and they did. And that's how 442 00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:30.119 it grew. Everybody just told everybody told somebody, and then we just came 443 00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:36.400 from there and it just grew and grew. Okay, So it's it's quite 444 00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:39.519 interesting you're saying about loneliness. Loneliness, and you know, loneliness has been 445 00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:45.519 a big theme, especially after because of COVID, the fact that people were 446 00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:47.239 you know, unless you're you know, you're around people, you have big 447 00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:52.360 families and what have you. You know, that's definitely something been highlighted. 448 00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:57.000 But I guess for many seniors, you know, you talked about bereavements as 449 00:39:57.039 --> 00:40:01.000 well. That actually loneliness is a big thing off with it's partners or just 450 00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:06.239 your friends, because you know, sadly people pass away and often they're kind 451 00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:08.760 of people that they connect with, so I guess so with learneliness. But 452 00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:12.599 that as a theme kind of what was the key things that were coming out 453 00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:15.920 from that, and then again doing to jump in there as well with any 454 00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:19.400 thoughts and then because then if you got any questions, yeah, to jump 455 00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:23.000 in as well, do you want to start? Bereavement was high on the 456 00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:29.800 list of interest and relevant to most of those who were there. But what 457 00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:35.880 people were also concerned about was when their children leave off to go to university 458 00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:39.360 or they go and live abroad, you know, so they don't have that 459 00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:44.239 immediate contact with them, and it was hard for them to get through the 460 00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:47.639 COVID period as well, you know. And then there were others who were 461 00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:53.280 concerned that they were not getting enough information about why they should take the vaccine. 462 00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:59.599 And because as really know, coming from the flu area flu era, 463 00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:05.559 when we take the flu job, we know that it's some form of flu 464 00:41:05.639 --> 00:41:09.920 that we're taking or that that's been given to us. So they thought that 465 00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:15.199 it's safe to do with the vaccine. So a lot of people who didn't 466 00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:19.880 want to come out and still don't want to come out, is still fearful 467 00:41:20.119 --> 00:41:24.360 because of all that propaganda that've been bantered about. Yea, So if they 468 00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:31.920 had contact with someone who will have the knowledge as to not so much from 469 00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:37.599 a scientific background, but just the knowledge to come and sit with them and 470 00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:40.079 say, this is all it does, and this is the reason why. 471 00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:46.920 And we've been having vaccine for many I'm sure if I say two hundred years 472 00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:52.840 that anybody can support me and that I'm sure we've been having vaccine, Yes, 473 00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:57.760 because polio go back that far. Yeah, so we've been having that 474 00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:04.320 happening. So for me, putting that relation to the seniors helped them to 475 00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:08.719 understand that it's their choice if they want to take the COVID vaccine or not, 476 00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:14.559 you know. And I encouraged some of them to let them know that 477 00:42:14.840 --> 00:42:17.760 any vaccination they take in order for it to for them not to react too 478 00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:23.679 much, is to eat an egg because of the consistency that they're putting the 479 00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:29.480 vaccine, the ingredients that's in the vaccine. And you might find this funny, 480 00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:35.000 but this came from we discovered this because of my husband when they were 481 00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:42.519 giving him vaccination because of his dialysis. He was having adverse effects when he 482 00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:45.719 took it. And then we found that it's the ingredients that they're put in 483 00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:52.440 and egg was something that could take you know. Yeah, But again, 484 00:42:53.719 --> 00:42:58.320 like you said, so that's what affected people is meant to help, right, 485 00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:00.880 Yes, that kind and I guess, like you said, having that 486 00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:02.679 be able to And I come on to this as well, in terms of 487 00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:07.840 the reassurance of somebody that you can sit there and talk because there's so much 488 00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:10.159 chatter going on, but you have someone to kind of sit there and go 489 00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:14.599 through. But as you were talking about that the whole idea of trusting, 490 00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:19.280 because I can imagine sometimes people, as much as they want to make connections 491 00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:22.840 and they want to talk to people, sometimes they're not that comfortable sharing stuff. 492 00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:28.079 So how how was how was the sharing idea? I mean you said 493 00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:29.960 that you like to talk? How was that? I guess how do you 494 00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:32.199 build up the trust? How were people trusting in that kind of context? 495 00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:37.400 So because I was new to the group, if they knew Joan, so 496 00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:39.519 I was the new person. Although everyone were kept saying I know your mother, 497 00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:43.719 I knew your mother. She was part of it, and I said 498 00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:46.159 to them, so we did the ground rules. So it was really important 499 00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:50.880 for me to set we want to create this safe space for you. You 500 00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:52.719 can say how you want it. Do you want it to get to a 501 00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:57.639 certain amount, and then you don't want anymore people come into the group. 502 00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:00.159 But what we did say is, well everything that's says heir, we just 503 00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:05.559 keep it here because we want to encourage people to talk talk about things that 504 00:44:05.960 --> 00:44:08.440 maybe you don't talk to anybody else. This is a place where you can 505 00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:15.880 do it. So each week we just did and what I did was break 506 00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:20.400 them down sometimes and didn't work in a large group, so they worked in 507 00:44:20.480 --> 00:44:23.480 twos because some people didn't like talking in the large group, but they would 508 00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:30.280 talk in when they're talking one to one with somebody. Each week they spoke 509 00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:35.599 and every week I shared a little bit more about myself and if I share 510 00:44:35.639 --> 00:44:39.599 them then encouraging them to share, and a few other people just it was 511 00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:45.559 just creating the atmosphere saying it's confidential. What we say here stays here, 512 00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:49.719 it's not for anybody else. And what we found when we were talking about 513 00:44:49.840 --> 00:44:55.920 loneliness, it was really hard for people to admit I was lonely. Who 514 00:44:55.920 --> 00:45:00.119 do I tell that I am lonely? How does that come to? Up? 515 00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:06.760 Was empty nest syndrome syndrome. There was that. Some people were saying, 516 00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:08.840 Oh, I'm glad I've got my own space, and others, you 517 00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:13.880 know, there was I remember one particular member she was saying, we all 518 00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:19.400 thought that because she had people around her that she was okay, but she 519 00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:22.679 wasn't. What She had lost her partner, her husband, so she was 520 00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:28.079 lonely. Yes, she may have had children and grandchildren, but she was 521 00:45:28.119 --> 00:45:31.840 lonely because she had that partner. And that's how it came about as well, 522 00:45:32.119 --> 00:45:37.440 you know, and it was about encouraging them to ask for their needs 523 00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:44.599 to be met. Find one person that you can say how you really feel? 524 00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:47.519 How do you really feel? We talked about when we go to we 525 00:45:47.559 --> 00:45:52.239 attend church and we asked people how are you and they say they're fine. 526 00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:54.559 And I said, if you say you're fine, people are going to think 527 00:45:54.599 --> 00:46:00.280 you're fine and you're not fine, So you're not getting your needs met and 528 00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:01.760 how many times you know? And then we need to look out for each 529 00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:05.840 other. So if you see somebody or they do say they're fine, but 530 00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:08.519 you can see because sometimes when you can hear somebody, but you can also 531 00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:13.920 look at them and they're same fine, but their face isn't the same. 532 00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:17.719 Fine. Yeah, So encouraging them to talk to each other, take an 533 00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:22.400 interest with each other, and to also try and say to people, take 534 00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:27.679 responsibility for how you feel and what you share. If you don't ask for 535 00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:31.119 things, you might not get it. And then they just started to open 536 00:46:31.199 --> 00:46:35.280 up the topics. We ask them as well, what is it you want 537 00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:37.719 to talk about? What do you want from us? And we listen to 538 00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:43.440 them and we try to give them what they needed and that encouraged them and 539 00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:47.159 they made oh so you are interested, Oh, because Joan talks about when 540 00:46:47.239 --> 00:46:52.719 Joan started, they said to Joan, we've had a club and it didn't 541 00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:57.960 last. And it was the same thing with the workshops. Well, how 542 00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:00.800 long are you here for many workshops? Are you going to do? They 543 00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:06.920 wanted to know are you going to leave us? That was really important. 544 00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:12.440 So it was it was important to be clear we're going to initially just do 545 00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:17.400 six workshops and then we'll look again and see what we can offer us. 546 00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:20.519 We broke it down. We're not saying we're going to do this to you 547 00:47:20.599 --> 00:47:23.800 forever, So there was a beginning and an end, so they had that 548 00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:28.159 and once we established that, so even now people are saying, when are 549 00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:30.920 you going to do it? When are you going to offer more of this 550 00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:39.400 safe space, we recognize that they wanted that safe space. Interesting statistic that 551 00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:45.199 I came across it. So there's one in four older person is living with 552 00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:53.880 a mental condition mental health condition, but only fifteen percent will receive NHS help. 553 00:47:54.960 --> 00:48:01.199 That's scary. It's our elders. So our elderly are out there trying 554 00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:07.760 to navigate this on their own. And I just salute you both because this 555 00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:12.920 is an excellent project. It allows for our elders to have a space, 556 00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:15.280 as you've said, Dorothy, a safe space where they can share their concerns 557 00:48:15.559 --> 00:48:20.480 and if there's anything that's beyond your scope, then I'm certain that you can 558 00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:23.920 then sort of signpost them where they need to be. So that's that's crucial 559 00:48:24.280 --> 00:48:28.440 exactly. That's what we do, and this is what we've been able to 560 00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:37.599 do to continue with the openness and building the relationship because one of the first 561 00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:45.519 activities that we did, not activities recording that we do for the community, 562 00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:51.360 was about managing your moods, managing the moods as seniors, you know, 563 00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:57.440 especially from a cultural perspective, because what a lot of the seniors found or 564 00:48:57.519 --> 00:49:02.239 rather shared back then about their loneliness and isolation from church from one week to 565 00:49:02.360 --> 00:49:07.000 the other is that when they were at work, there was a club at 566 00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:09.639 work that they could go to and sit and have a chat and laugh with 567 00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:14.360 their friends. But at church they don't have that, you know. So 568 00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:20.599 we were able to tap into that and let them realize that our five senses 569 00:49:21.440 --> 00:49:25.960 covers our mental health and our mental wealth, you know, so if we 570 00:49:25.960 --> 00:49:30.840 don't have the five senses functioning as it ought and basing it on the scripture 571 00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:36.960 so that we see where the spiritual come, as to where the physical come, 572 00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:42.039 where they emotionalize. So once we were able to do that, that 573 00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:46.360 time that went on for a whole year, that workshop on and off, 574 00:49:46.480 --> 00:49:50.960 you know, because we did it in blocks because we didn't want to pressure 575 00:49:51.039 --> 00:49:59.039 people into just twelve months of our workshop on mental health. So each team 576 00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:04.480 properly was all another era that we focused on. So cooking was something to 577 00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:07.960 show them that the food you eat is what helps you to be healthy. 578 00:50:08.239 --> 00:50:15.440 And then for Alzheimer's. You know, it was part of what we helped 579 00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:20.599 to address at the time. So to see now that it's been taken up 580 00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:25.440 and that we've got the got figures to refer to, it's a big improvement. 581 00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:34.000 And this month, it's interesting that it is our Women's month, so 582 00:50:34.039 --> 00:50:40.079 we should be congratulating one another for the video achievements that we've been successful. 583 00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:44.719 Okay, I'm going to take a pause there for some more music and then 584 00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:46.679 when I want to come back, actually just to kind of talk a little 585 00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:50.920 bit about another topic that you did, and I know you had You've got 586 00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:55.119 quite a big teams door a thief of various ages and different people within the 587 00:50:55.159 --> 00:51:02.320 group, and I know you did intergeneral and intergenerational and communicating with others. 588 00:51:02.360 --> 00:51:05.360 So I want to talk a little bit about that, and I've got some 589 00:51:05.440 --> 00:51:08.119 feedback what I did. I spoke to some people who were participants or had 590 00:51:08.119 --> 00:51:10.519 been involved in that and got some feedback on that. So I want to 591 00:51:10.519 --> 00:51:14.599 share some of that as well, and also hear a bit more about some 592 00:51:14.599 --> 00:51:17.679 of the other topics that you did and the feedback and the impact that you've 593 00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:22.039 seen that it's had on people. So we're going to go to my track 594 00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:31.519 now, Maurett Brown Clark. I just want to praise you. I just 595 00:51:31.519 --> 00:51:57.159 want forever. Come on, I never you don me. That's sing down, 596 00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:13.840 okay, be low, be below. Thank you Jesus, he see 597 00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:25.760 me. We just come to forever forever. Yeah, yeah for all that 598 00:52:27.039 --> 00:52:32.960 chipto Pummy. Put your hand on your chest and say, fumy call me. 599 00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:42.760 Can nobody tell it like you can tell it? And dona they all 600 00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:49.519 belong to you, Jesus, get some crded out of my son. Thank 601 00:52:49.559 --> 00:53:00.679 you, Jesus, Thank you, Jesus. Hold on, pet come on 602 00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:06.079 and clap your hands. You've done some phrase up in here. We're gonna 603 00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:13.280 phrase him forever and never and never do for everything that you turn from me, 604 00:53:14.039 --> 00:53:22.039 everything that you tell. Bumpy Pummy, Bumpy Pully, You're just so 605 00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:29.239 on the glory. You just somebody gonna cheesus every thing to you, to 606 00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:37.639 you do Jase. So we say thank you, my blessing. Moe Plea. 607 00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:49.239 The just want to thank you. Cheese rever. We've got to write 608 00:53:49.320 --> 00:53:53.320 to have them we've done right to praise you. We've got to write some 609 00:53:53.480 --> 00:53:59.320 blessing because we'll be thinking about everything that you've done for us. Some of 610 00:53:59.480 --> 00:54:02.679 us may your hand, some of us cut my hands. Some of us 611 00:54:02.840 --> 00:54:07.960 sleep, some of us sleep off because he brought us the money. Look 612 00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:13.119 tame and tefer thing, but honks to your cheeta. Everything belongs to your 613 00:54:13.239 --> 00:54:17.639 cheat. We come to let the world down now with nothing without your hair. 614 00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:22.519 We talk tom bless your day. We come to bless your name. 615 00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:28.400 Come on and he the lift God up. Fine, he deserves it to 616 00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:32.760 be ahead. Come on, han si today, come morning, let's bless 617 00:54:32.840 --> 00:54:39.360 his day. We come to Gimmer. We come to Gimmer God, we 618 00:54:39.639 --> 00:54:45.559 come to give floor. We come together over the prey. Don't get tired. 619 00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:52.440 And yet this God doesn't get tired of here put just so something blooring, 620 00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:59.159 He just sun so the Lord to make it a bless you you created 621 00:54:59.239 --> 00:55:05.199 and made a bla said so to praise. I've got a ride right to 622 00:55:05.360 --> 00:55:08.920 bless him. Oh no, bless your holy name. I want to bless 623 00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:14.559 your holy name. I don't want to beg came not giving your name, 624 00:55:14.639 --> 00:55:19.760 praise, not giving your name? Ray? Why because he's worthy one, 625 00:55:19.880 --> 00:55:24.800 because he's holy? What, because he's right es what? Because he's just 626 00:55:25.079 --> 00:55:30.800 God? We bless him? We bless him, We bless him, We 627 00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:37.079 bless him. Boome, praise be Bason, please rise, we are you, 628 00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:45.440 we are you were you were missus Town. No, No, that's 629 00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:50.599 bout down. Pray bless your well, bless him, Pray bless you, 630 00:55:51.039 --> 00:55:54.840 pray, bless you, pray blessing, pray bless you, pray blessen, 631 00:55:55.280 --> 00:56:01.119 prave bless er, pray bless your Lord. Impressure No, we can your 632 00:56:01.280 --> 00:56:21.400 namebor glory ka chloris. Then you cheat me hollowoo jum, thank you cheeser. 633 00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:32.360 Just what a praise you my brown Clark. Yeah, and again you're 634 00:56:32.360 --> 00:56:36.840 playing. I've shows a few sort of uplifting songs for this show today, 635 00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:40.719 because again, music is definitely something good for your wellbeing. And you know, 636 00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:45.599 I'm sure what do you think about as seen as the amount of music 637 00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:51.760 they may have heard listen to Yeah, over the years, So definitely a 638 00:56:51.840 --> 00:56:57.079 wellbeing practice listening to music. So yes, So, Sonia, you have 639 00:56:57.199 --> 00:57:01.440 some other questions you're going to go to well, I just wanted to unpack 640 00:57:01.480 --> 00:57:07.679 a little bit about the topics that were discussed. There's some really heavy topics 641 00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:13.360 I feel like bereavement, loss. What were some of the issues that were 642 00:57:13.480 --> 00:57:16.920 raised or some of the solutions that came out of those discussions, because it'd 643 00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:23.000 be interesting to hear from you for those who weren't there, but our elders 644 00:57:23.039 --> 00:57:28.639 themselves or careers, what what were some of the things that came out of 645 00:57:28.760 --> 00:57:34.880 those those discussions that might be useful. I'm mindful as I speak. One 646 00:57:34.920 --> 00:57:37.320 of the things we said is what we say here stays here, And any 647 00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:39.719 of them could be listening to this, and I don't want them to think, 648 00:57:39.719 --> 00:57:45.079 oh, she's gat to talk whatever. I mean, what how do 649 00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:52.639 we tackle bereavements and help our seniors through, you know, these periods of 650 00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:55.199 loss because as we age, that's that's kind of the stage of life where 651 00:57:55.239 --> 00:58:00.360 we're at where we see more loss and more more death in our own circle. 652 00:58:00.440 --> 00:58:05.559 Our circle changes because of that, we're no longer working. It's such 653 00:58:05.599 --> 00:58:08.239 a soul and people move away, even not to die, but just move 654 00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:14.559 away. Interest change. So there's a lot of difference change that happens at 655 00:58:14.599 --> 00:58:19.719 that stage in our lives. And how do we support our elders or how 656 00:58:19.800 --> 00:58:22.719 do our elders support themselves in that process. So one of the things I 657 00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:30.159 did say to them is try not to stay alone. It's really easy when 658 00:58:30.199 --> 00:58:35.239 you're going through a bereavement to just cut yourself off and think that nobody cares, 659 00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:40.239 nobody's interested, nobody understands. So one of the things I said, 660 00:58:40.360 --> 00:58:45.400 it's to make contact. To go for a walk, even if you at 661 00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:50.559 first just start with just sitting in your garden, just going to your front 662 00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:55.119 door and saying hello to one person, you know, to find somebody that 663 00:58:55.199 --> 00:59:04.880 you can really talk to and be open up to about how you're feeling about 664 00:59:04.920 --> 00:59:08.880 it. So that's the firstly when it comes to bereavement, not stay limited 665 00:59:08.960 --> 00:59:15.039 time by yourself. To talk to people, to find a group, to 666 00:59:15.159 --> 00:59:22.800 find somebody to open up. And the same with the loneliness. It's hard 667 00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:29.199 sometime to admit that you're lonely, but it's to find at least one person, 668 00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:36.559 take up a new hobby, take up an activity, whatever it is, 669 00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:43.400 open up to somebody and talk. Listen to the radio like what we're 670 00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:45.360 doing now, get in touch with someone on the radio. Send a message 671 00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:49.760 in because it could be anonymous, so you might not want people to know 672 00:59:49.960 --> 00:59:55.119 that it's you, but you can send in messages in the radio like this 673 00:59:55.320 --> 01:00:01.400 show, an anonymous message about something and as you're saying that again. I've 674 01:00:01.400 --> 01:00:04.599 got to do that the top of the show. If you didn't want to 675 01:00:04.599 --> 01:00:07.599 contribute to our program today, you've got any thoughts on what we're talking about 676 01:00:07.920 --> 01:00:10.599 or any tips that you want to share, please you can email us at 677 01:00:10.719 --> 01:00:15.840 studio at Advintage Radio dot London, or you can text us on eight trip 678 01:00:15.960 --> 01:00:21.280 or two eight write hope and then your message. You can also whatsappers as 679 01:00:21.320 --> 01:00:25.800 well on seven four five nine six four to eight nine eight. So do 680 01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:29.960 contribute. We'd love to hear from you. As Dorothy said, sometimes just 681 01:00:30.039 --> 01:00:36.000 sharing your thoughts can be a way of making those connections. There's one a 682 01:00:36.239 --> 01:00:39.519 person that did attend. She was from the community, and she doesn't mind 683 01:00:39.719 --> 01:00:45.320 me sharing this. She came back after we spoke about I think it was 684 01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:50.519 loneliness or was it very And she came back and she said, last week, 685 01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:55.079 what's the best week I've had in my life since I lost my husband. 686 01:00:55.960 --> 01:01:02.199 Wow. Because she'd attended this group and what she got she used some 687 01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:09.119 of the tips. She'd been out, she had been out, she had 688 01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:15.519 made new friends by coming to the group. She had started to talk and 689 01:01:15.639 --> 01:01:21.400 be open and honest. She said it was the best week in her life 690 01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:27.159 because she tried some of the tips. So they're simple and they're basic. 691 01:01:28.400 --> 01:01:31.159 But in one week she came back and she said, that was the best 692 01:01:31.239 --> 01:01:37.880 week I've had since I lost my partner. Wow. So simple, ones, 693 01:01:37.239 --> 01:01:39.800 Zani, when you ask the questions, I tried to keep it simple. 694 01:01:43.880 --> 01:01:46.719 Yeah, that's amazing. That's amazing. And as you as you're saying 695 01:01:46.800 --> 01:01:51.320 that, I know, I've been sort of speaking to a few people who 696 01:01:51.440 --> 01:01:54.679 had attended, just to kind of get some feedback of what their experience was. 697 01:01:54.840 --> 01:01:59.480 And I spect to one gentleman. There wasn't many men that attended, 698 01:01:59.480 --> 01:02:01.760 I understand, but he will say, you know what, actually I may 699 01:02:01.800 --> 01:02:07.800 not necessarily feel I have some of those particular issues. However, he was 700 01:02:07.880 --> 01:02:10.400 quite you know, he felt it was really important. You could see the 701 01:02:10.440 --> 01:02:15.280 benefit because people were really talking and sharing, as you said, and actually 702 01:02:15.360 --> 01:02:20.639 kind of raised his own awareness of maybe what's going on and actually give him 703 01:02:20.719 --> 01:02:23.360 some ideas of what he can do going forward as well. Because as much 704 01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:27.880 as you may think you're not impacted now, maybe at some point later on 705 01:02:28.239 --> 01:02:30.119 you may do. So there's definitely always something to learn from that. So 706 01:02:30.159 --> 01:02:36.480 so definitely that and also, you know, I got a message from Sister 707 01:02:36.480 --> 01:02:42.239 Bennett as well. Actually she's actually away getting some sunshine over in Spain, 708 01:02:42.320 --> 01:02:45.360 so shout out to Sisbnett. I think is listening by. Andrea was her 709 01:02:45.480 --> 01:02:50.639 daughter, and she was saying that, you know, for her, you 710 01:02:50.719 --> 01:02:52.840 know, she liked Dorothy's style. She was very calm, allowed each person 711 01:02:52.880 --> 01:02:57.199 to speak and express himself without feeling pressured. And as she said, some 712 01:02:57.280 --> 01:03:01.239 of these topics are pretty quite heavy. You know, people may have got 713 01:03:01.320 --> 01:03:07.719 quite emotional about certain things or you know, but they felt comfortable enough to 714 01:03:07.800 --> 01:03:12.760 do that even under those sort of circumstances. She also mentioned the same sort 715 01:03:12.760 --> 01:03:16.440 of example that you used that lady there as well. You know, she 716 01:03:16.559 --> 01:03:22.000 was almost like a different person, more cheerful, more upbeat, and again 717 01:03:22.039 --> 01:03:25.239 you know, she was recognized that she wants to do things more of her 718 01:03:25.280 --> 01:03:29.559 life, recognizing the action and I guess, you know, gentle encouragement to 719 01:03:29.559 --> 01:03:31.280 be able to say, you know what, despite my situation, I can 720 01:03:31.440 --> 01:03:36.800 still thrive, I can sid of enjoy life, and it's a complete change. 721 01:03:36.800 --> 01:03:37.519 And she said, you know, this is a powerful example of the 722 01:03:37.559 --> 01:03:42.920 positive impact of the program, and it made us more aware that it was 723 01:03:42.960 --> 01:03:45.280 a definite need for these sort of programs as well, especially with so much 724 01:03:45.320 --> 01:03:49.960 sadness in the world, the idea of end able to come together to share 725 01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:54.079 and you know, feel and deal recognize that you're not alone to deal with 726 01:03:54.159 --> 01:03:57.599 some of these things as well. So thanks has been it for that feedback? 727 01:03:58.039 --> 01:04:02.159 Aren't there as well? Yeah? And because of the feedback, like 728 01:04:02.239 --> 01:04:05.519 you were saying, so and they are deep questions, we and Joan and 729 01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:12.320 I are going to be talking about doing a longer term workshop just on loneliness 730 01:04:12.719 --> 01:04:15.400 and berief because like you said, it can run deep. And what we 731 01:04:15.519 --> 01:04:18.079 try to do, what I try to do when I'm facilitating it to make 732 01:04:18.159 --> 01:04:28.320 it participant lead, So they tell us what they need and what subjects they 733 01:04:28.440 --> 01:04:33.440 want, and they bring the questions to us and we support them through that. 734 01:04:34.199 --> 01:04:41.480 We felt that was really really effective. Cool. We also had the 735 01:04:42.960 --> 01:04:47.400 intergenerational one whereas another member of the mental health team, she's a younger woman, 736 01:04:47.559 --> 01:04:55.280 she's at university studying psychology. She also helped facilitate and was a participant 737 01:04:55.679 --> 01:04:58.440 of it. I think you got some feedback from her. I did, 738 01:04:58.880 --> 01:05:00.920 she as a general thing, but she did ask her went back to and 739 01:05:00.920 --> 01:05:02.800 answer her a couple of questions and one of the questions I asked him was 740 01:05:03.519 --> 01:05:09.280 what was her kind of perception of older people. Now we haven't really touched 741 01:05:09.360 --> 01:05:13.239 much on this, but there are sometimes stereotypes of mintsal what happen you around 742 01:05:13.559 --> 01:05:21.320 the things that's seeniors do or say. And she said that the perception was 743 01:05:23.079 --> 01:05:26.360 that they were completely obedient to instructions, which I thought was really interesting. 744 01:05:26.599 --> 01:05:30.119 I thought they had the same recognition of authority as they expect from younger people. 745 01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:33.400 She was surprised, however, that in the group situation they were just 746 01:05:33.519 --> 01:05:40.000 like teenagers, which Dorothy you said that, you know, they would get 747 01:05:40.039 --> 01:05:45.119 distracted, natter away, tell jokes among themselves so often sometimes had to be 748 01:05:45.199 --> 01:05:48.840 reminded to stay focused, which I thought was really interesting. I know, 749 01:05:49.039 --> 01:05:55.880 right, you know, it's interesting how our perceptions of people, and you 750 01:05:55.960 --> 01:05:59.480 know, not that we're all the same, so there are differences, but 751 01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:03.639 a younger person, that's a perception. And I think she's then went on 752 01:06:03.760 --> 01:06:05.639 to say, you know, she's thought, you know, older and younger 753 01:06:05.639 --> 01:06:09.920 people can connect more by doing the sort of things that she did, getting 754 01:06:10.320 --> 01:06:15.320 involved, attending activities and clubs together and making sure that you listen to each 755 01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:23.280 other's experiences and you get to understand, you get to bond with each other. 756 01:06:24.199 --> 01:06:28.079 I also asked her why she thought it was important to address seeing as 757 01:06:28.119 --> 01:06:30.159 mental health, and she said, you know what, they're members of the 758 01:06:30.199 --> 01:06:36.199 community too. I think sometimes older people could sometimes become forgotten. You know, 759 01:06:36.400 --> 01:06:40.559 maybe they're not as involved in certain things that are happening, whether it's 760 01:06:40.599 --> 01:06:44.960 in the church or the local communities, but you know they are and sometimes 761 01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:46.960 she said she mentioned that she did they often referred to as a silent generation. 762 01:06:47.880 --> 01:06:51.880 So again, it's really important that we include everybody. We talk about 763 01:06:51.960 --> 01:06:57.239 inclusion, diversity, etc. But it's very easy to forget people, you 764 01:06:57.280 --> 01:07:01.400 know, especially if they sit silently, not as but it's you know, 765 01:07:01.599 --> 01:07:05.920 our older members are valued. They should be included, and their mental well 766 01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:11.880 being it's just as you know, important and also some of the things that 767 01:07:12.039 --> 01:07:15.079 maybe we're addressing and that they can share their experiences can be beneficial for them. 768 01:07:15.119 --> 01:07:18.840 It's like, you know, they're passing down their own knowledge. So 769 01:07:19.159 --> 01:07:24.639 John, did you have something you wanted to add to that there, just 770 01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:33.079 to say that the safe space that was emphasized was when they were invited and 771 01:07:33.239 --> 01:07:41.039 found that it was a church church premises. They didn't think it would be 772 01:07:41.760 --> 01:07:44.679 as welcoming as it was. They thought they would have to be sick like 773 01:07:45.079 --> 01:07:48.320 straight laced, can't relax, can't talk, can't joke. So when they 774 01:07:48.400 --> 01:07:51.360 claim, they found that it was quite the opposite as to what they were 775 01:07:51.400 --> 01:07:58.079 expected. So that's why they were able to be relaxed and free to speak, 776 01:07:58.440 --> 01:08:02.559 especially with what you talked about having the rules and let them make the 777 01:08:02.679 --> 01:08:08.440 rules themselves, so that is more owner, self owned, rather than re 778 01:08:08.599 --> 01:08:13.400 dictating, and the other things that we did to make it safe. If 779 01:08:13.440 --> 01:08:15.399 you remember Joe and when when I got in there, they were in rows, 780 01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:18.840 you know, like you do on a on a church morning. Everybody's 781 01:08:18.880 --> 01:08:21.159 one behind the other. And I went, no, no, no, 782 01:08:21.239 --> 01:08:24.760 no, get rid of all of that. Let's have a circle here. 783 01:08:25.960 --> 01:08:29.119 Let's have a circle. Get rid of all the barriers, and you just 784 01:08:29.239 --> 01:08:31.399 sit so we're all together. No one hides. And you saw the naughty 785 01:08:31.479 --> 01:08:34.399 ones on the road they went to the back. It was really strange. 786 01:08:34.439 --> 01:08:36.960 Some people took the back seats. I'm not going to say, come to 787 01:08:38.039 --> 01:08:42.359 the front. If we're in a circle, then we're all here together. 788 01:08:43.000 --> 01:08:45.920 It's one. We're here to hold each other. It's not you know, 789 01:08:46.319 --> 01:08:49.920 I think that helped them as well. But it was really important to say, 790 01:08:50.079 --> 01:08:51.920 no, no, we want to listen to you. You talked about 791 01:08:51.960 --> 01:08:57.920 listening in the silent generation. Sometimes I think that they feel that they're not 792 01:08:57.960 --> 01:09:01.319 going to be listened to, or sometimes they might feel that we don't think 793 01:09:01.359 --> 01:09:04.920 what they've got to say matters. So it was really important to say that 794 01:09:05.079 --> 01:09:09.159 to encourage every member. That's the other thing we did wasn't general. I 795 01:09:09.239 --> 01:09:13.399 did was to encourage them all to talk. That's what it was really important. 796 01:09:13.399 --> 01:09:15.560 To break them down into little groups. And when they were in the 797 01:09:15.640 --> 01:09:19.680 smaller groups, I'd go around to each group and I would let and encourage 798 01:09:19.720 --> 01:09:21.920 them to talk. So I didn't all have to talk in a large group 799 01:09:21.920 --> 01:09:27.199 because that's not for everybody. No, no, And one person was so 800 01:09:27.319 --> 01:09:31.279 excited she said she would she has many appointments after the first session she came, 801 01:09:31.640 --> 01:09:35.039 and if it were possible, she would cancel all the appointments and be 802 01:09:35.239 --> 01:09:40.479 there. But because she'd be waiting so long for the appointment, she didn't 803 01:09:40.520 --> 01:09:44.239 do that. But she was the third week. That's good. Yeah, 804 01:09:44.640 --> 01:09:51.960 go back to inter generational they did. How was honestly, sometimes there is 805 01:09:53.079 --> 01:09:58.720 that sometimes there is that perception or challenge of younger people and older people connecting 806 01:09:59.680 --> 01:10:02.600 some does I find that odd really because of mini many young people have grandparents, 807 01:10:03.119 --> 01:10:05.840 they have older people within their families, but sometimes there does seem to 808 01:10:05.840 --> 01:10:10.279 be a bit of a disconnect. What was the kind of things that came 809 01:10:10.359 --> 01:10:15.359 out from that session that you think kind of made a difference or that actually 810 01:10:15.399 --> 01:10:18.119 we could take away from that, Actually that dispelled all those myths that actually 811 01:10:18.199 --> 01:10:21.680 young and old can get on just fine. But what would you know, 812 01:10:21.800 --> 01:10:26.720 how would that happen and how can we sort of take that forward and encourage 813 01:10:26.800 --> 01:10:30.680 more younger people to all young people doing connect with older and vice versa. 814 01:10:31.640 --> 01:10:33.399 Do you want to take that one? Do you want me to talk? 815 01:10:36.520 --> 01:10:42.159 We haven't had a chance to do that, to address that openly, but 816 01:10:42.279 --> 01:10:47.479 I'm going to base it on past managing the moods of seniors. And what 817 01:10:47.600 --> 01:10:51.239 we did in one of the workshops was to get the young people to come 818 01:10:51.920 --> 01:10:59.359 and interview a senior person. Okay, and we didn't choose those individuals for 819 01:10:59.479 --> 01:11:02.279 them. The young people who came had to choose who they wanted to interview, 820 01:11:02.880 --> 01:11:09.560 and also the interview had to say if they didn't mind by the person 821 01:11:09.600 --> 01:11:14.079 who's chosen them. So that's something that we need to do to match people 822 01:11:14.239 --> 01:11:19.399 up in the future for other sessions that we want to have. And so 823 01:11:19.640 --> 01:11:24.680 that would help us to have to do some groundwork to talk to the young 824 01:11:24.760 --> 01:11:30.359 people. So what would encourage them to come and attend The name Autumn rows 825 01:11:30.840 --> 01:11:35.359 because the automy itself makes makes makes it seems old, so you know, 826 01:11:35.479 --> 01:11:40.039 that might put be young people lot. So I don't know, but we're 827 01:11:40.079 --> 01:11:45.359 looking into that. I don't know if I'm already got any Yeah, anything 828 01:11:45.439 --> 01:11:47.319 to add to that. So when we did it as well the other day 829 01:11:48.399 --> 01:11:53.439 again it was a thing like they don't want to listen to us. They 830 01:11:53.479 --> 01:11:58.800 don't think we're important. That's what the older people say, yes, but 831 01:11:58.920 --> 01:12:01.880 the younger people they don't listen to us. They don't think what we've got 832 01:12:01.920 --> 01:12:06.680 to say is important. They're too busy, they're always on their phones, 833 01:12:06.880 --> 01:12:10.840 they're on their gadgets, they're you know, things like that. They felt 834 01:12:10.920 --> 01:12:14.399 left out. No one's talking to me. And it was like, well, 835 01:12:14.560 --> 01:12:16.720 what is it that you can bring and encourage them? What they did? 836 01:12:16.920 --> 01:12:20.880 You know what them talking there today? I said, how difficult was 837 01:12:20.920 --> 01:12:26.319 that for you? Because you know I was saying, I actually shared with 838 01:12:26.479 --> 01:12:29.239 them what it was like when I worked with the teenagers, and that there's 839 01:12:29.279 --> 01:12:32.560 similar, similar characters. That you're funny. You guys have got a sense 840 01:12:32.560 --> 01:12:36.439 of humor. How much times do you give that? Let other people see 841 01:12:36.479 --> 01:12:40.279 that? You're just doing it here with your peers, But maybe if you 842 01:12:40.359 --> 01:12:45.079 let other people the younger generation, you're funny. You've got so much to 843 01:12:45.199 --> 01:12:49.760 offer other people. Yeah, you've got life, You've got life. We've 844 01:12:49.800 --> 01:12:55.399 all got stories. You guys have real stories. But if you don't value 845 01:12:55.479 --> 01:12:58.359 them, then it's going to be hard for you to share it. So 846 01:12:58.520 --> 01:13:01.520 you need to value that you value yourself and that you do your stories are 847 01:13:01.640 --> 01:13:05.880 important and share them. Sit down and say to them, come on, 848 01:13:06.000 --> 01:13:10.640 let's go for a walk, let's talk. You know, when you go 849 01:13:10.720 --> 01:13:14.479 to church, say hi to a younger person because they feel like you sometimes, 850 01:13:14.520 --> 01:13:16.960 but nobody wants to listen to them. So the same fears that their 851 01:13:17.359 --> 01:13:23.760 older generation have of the younger generation, the younger generation have the older they 852 01:13:23.840 --> 01:13:28.079 don't the older people think that they don't want to listen to them, right, 853 01:13:28.640 --> 01:13:31.840 they don't trust them. It's a similar thing, and it's to encourage 854 01:13:31.840 --> 01:13:34.720 them to look back to when they were younger. Yes, how did they 855 01:13:34.840 --> 01:13:41.199 feel? Yeah, yeah, and going from that as well, said shout 856 01:13:41.279 --> 01:13:45.159 out to Annabel, which is my I know, but she asked us well 857 01:13:45.680 --> 01:13:48.960 about that in terms of, you know, what was your experience like and 858 01:13:49.119 --> 01:13:53.000 how how can some of the things you may be learned and perspective you got 859 01:13:53.039 --> 01:13:56.000 from that you can kind of relate to your own look after your own mental 860 01:13:56.000 --> 01:13:58.520 health and wellbeing. And she said, you know, she recognized that there 861 01:13:58.560 --> 01:14:01.359 are parallels between young people and older people and the things they struggle with. 862 01:14:02.000 --> 01:14:08.239 You know, who've talked about loneliness. Often young people feel lonely as well, 863 01:14:09.359 --> 01:14:12.399 or they feel that they can't talk about things because they're running so much 864 01:14:12.439 --> 01:14:15.880 pressure to look or be a certain way, so they say silent and don't 865 01:14:15.880 --> 01:14:19.279 say anything. So often there is you know, there's parallels with the same 866 01:14:19.319 --> 01:14:23.239 sort of struggles, the challenges, et cetera. So she said that she 867 01:14:23.319 --> 01:14:27.279 felt she gained a real different perspective. There's a lot to be learned from 868 01:14:27.319 --> 01:14:31.840 that, so, you know, definitely something to encourage, you know, 869 01:14:32.000 --> 01:14:34.720 however you do that. But as you said, Dorothy, do connections and 870 01:14:35.039 --> 01:14:38.880 the idea of coming together as a club, you know, like I said, 871 01:14:39.119 --> 01:14:41.680 tea and talk, food and drinks, all those things that will be 872 01:14:41.760 --> 01:14:44.520 helpful. So thank you for those young people you've got in your team who 873 01:14:44.600 --> 01:14:47.239 did get involved in this project as well, because definitely you can see that 874 01:14:47.319 --> 01:14:49.840 it didn't make a difference. So you've got anything to add on that. 875 01:14:51.159 --> 01:14:54.680 Well, just to echo what was said, I mean, there's so much 876 01:14:54.760 --> 01:14:58.720 wisdom to be had, and by myself, I love to sit at the 877 01:14:58.760 --> 01:15:01.880 feet of my elders. I mean, the stories, the knowledge that they 878 01:15:01.920 --> 01:15:05.239 can pass on, I mean, saves us a lot of mistakes really if 879 01:15:05.319 --> 01:15:10.800 we could listen and learn from their own mistakes, you know, and I 880 01:15:10.920 --> 01:15:15.640 think our young people need to learn to value that and appreciate that. Just 881 01:15:15.880 --> 01:15:18.560 maybe about a month or two ago, I spent a weekend myself and my 882 01:15:18.640 --> 01:15:23.920 partner, we spent a weekend with one of our elders and she'd been married 883 01:15:24.079 --> 01:15:30.119 for ups of forty fifty years, and you know, she invited us up 884 01:15:30.199 --> 01:15:32.720 by her and you know, it was an amazing time. She lives at 885 01:15:32.760 --> 01:15:36.600 the seaside and we spent time with her and it was just a weekend of 886 01:15:36.720 --> 01:15:41.000 counsel you know. Make sure you do this, Make sure you do that, 887 01:15:41.159 --> 01:15:43.119 and I'm like, what, No, that's for him to do, 888 01:15:44.359 --> 01:15:47.079 you know. And it was a lot of back and forth, a lot 889 01:15:47.119 --> 01:15:51.079 of talking and hashing it out, and it was just a week and well 890 01:15:51.239 --> 01:15:56.720 spent. And our young people just need to realize that and acknowledge that. 891 01:15:56.800 --> 01:16:00.079 And as you said, Dorothy, our elders need to understand the value that 892 01:16:00.159 --> 01:16:03.720 they bring to the table. I was just so appreciative. I think we 893 01:16:03.920 --> 01:16:12.199 left there stronger than we arrived, yes, but also in order for our 894 01:16:12.880 --> 01:16:19.279 both age group and anyway not there, but both it's up to us as 895 01:16:19.359 --> 01:16:25.560 well to value both age group and make a connection with them. So if 896 01:16:25.560 --> 01:16:30.920 we're just keeping ourselves to ourselves and not interacting with them, then when it 897 01:16:30.000 --> 01:16:36.359 comes to chastisement, because seniors seem to think they have that authority to chastise 898 01:16:36.439 --> 01:16:41.720 you when they're not even spoken to you before wanting to tell you what you 899 01:16:41.840 --> 01:16:45.399 know. So for me, I would love for us to be more loving, 900 01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:49.439 more caring, you know, and go back to the days when we 901 01:16:49.640 --> 01:16:54.760 used to invite people to our homes in the church, you know. And 902 01:16:55.159 --> 01:17:00.800 that's what your people are not pleased about, because there's the only meeting church 903 01:17:01.560 --> 01:17:06.760 and then they form a picture of you and they think that they can't approach 904 01:17:06.840 --> 01:17:13.279 you, and then you sceni you feel that because you are other adults, 905 01:17:13.960 --> 01:17:17.000 you can tell me what's what's just start doing up there. You know, 906 01:17:17.319 --> 01:17:21.680 I'm not going away from the topic, but I'm talking about building a relationship 907 01:17:23.119 --> 01:17:27.000 so that we can know that each of us are the part to play in 908 01:17:27.159 --> 01:17:35.560 our lives. But relistically, it's all about taking everything into into our consideration 909 01:17:36.279 --> 01:17:41.960 so that the stages that we're going through we don't forget it, but we 910 01:17:42.159 --> 01:17:45.319 pass it on. And some of us, as grandparents as will need to 911 01:17:45.439 --> 01:17:51.800 also interact more with their own grandchildren alone other children in the churches. You 912 01:17:51.880 --> 01:17:57.000 know. It's interesting, yeah, to do that, definitely, but it 913 01:17:57.079 --> 01:18:00.960 can be done. And as you said, there's so many similarities that it's 914 01:18:00.000 --> 01:18:03.039 amazing. You know, when you're telling me that they're naughty elders who are 915 01:18:03.079 --> 01:18:04.640 looking to sit in the back of the room, I'm like, what, 916 01:18:05.039 --> 01:18:11.680 yes, and they're chatting away. My imagery has just gone shot, you 917 01:18:11.760 --> 01:18:15.800 know. And what I found you we don't spend the time together, we 918 01:18:15.880 --> 01:18:20.359 won't realize that the differences are a little, yes, compared to the similarities, 919 01:18:20.399 --> 01:18:26.039 and what we can learn from each other. Absolutely totally agree. I 920 01:18:26.199 --> 01:18:30.560 learned a lot as well. I really learned a lot. I absolutely loved 921 01:18:30.720 --> 01:18:33.199 it. It was drained at some stage. But that's a challenge for me, 922 01:18:33.239 --> 01:18:36.760 which is great because again it's expectations. I'm thinking, oh, they're 923 01:18:36.840 --> 01:18:40.640 older, they're going to sit quite dear listen, But why should they? 924 01:18:41.680 --> 01:18:45.640 Why should they? Why am I putting that on them that they should encourages 925 01:18:45.680 --> 01:18:49.920 them to be themselves with themselves is okay, you think you're in charge, 926 01:18:50.439 --> 01:18:56.039 then be in charge, and that's great. How do what did I learn 927 01:18:56.119 --> 01:18:59.960 from that? How could I work with them to still make them feel comfort 928 01:19:00.479 --> 01:19:03.079 but to also let them get engaged and that It was a challenge, but 929 01:19:03.159 --> 01:19:06.119 it's a great challenge. And if we're all open and we don't have this 930 01:19:06.279 --> 01:19:11.159 expectation that the older people are like this or the younger people are like that, 931 01:19:11.399 --> 01:19:15.039 let's just embrace people. People are people. We are all people, 932 01:19:15.119 --> 01:19:21.359 and we want to love and work together and encourage and support individuals. And 933 01:19:23.000 --> 01:19:29.159 for the senior ones to recognize their value. It's really important. And one 934 01:19:29.159 --> 01:19:31.760 of the things I said, you know, as older people, sometimes we're 935 01:19:31.920 --> 01:19:36.760 so straight faced. I think Joan touched on this. You know, we're 936 01:19:36.840 --> 01:19:41.760 not it's hard for someone to come up and speak to you because you look 937 01:19:41.800 --> 01:19:47.119 angry even when you're not. You're looking a particular way. You're not inviting. 938 01:19:48.039 --> 01:19:53.079 So just be aware of your dominion when you're walking around. Smile, 939 01:19:54.720 --> 01:19:58.319 say hi. You know, if you then people feel like, oh I 940 01:19:58.359 --> 01:20:00.760 can talk to them, want to hear from them. But if you're not 941 01:20:01.000 --> 01:20:06.119 inviting, and people will find it more difficult to come and talk and open 942 01:20:06.239 --> 01:20:10.199 up. As you're saying that as well, because I was kind of moving 943 01:20:10.239 --> 01:20:15.800 into kind of what other tips and things we can kind of encourage old senior 944 01:20:16.520 --> 01:20:25.479 what's the term we should be using seniors twilighters, all of those, you 945 01:20:25.560 --> 01:20:28.279 know, what kind of things can they do? You've mentioned you've you've talked 946 01:20:28.279 --> 01:20:30.640 a few about a few things in terms of some of the things that's come 947 01:20:30.680 --> 01:20:32.640 out from the workshops, but in terms of other people looking after their mental 948 01:20:32.800 --> 01:20:39.000 health and well being. Definitely talking making connections, Joan, you've mentioned about 949 01:20:39.079 --> 01:20:43.600 exercise, you know that was part of your remit in terms of the club 950 01:20:43.640 --> 01:20:45.680 as well, are there any other things that you would suggest and can encourage 951 01:20:45.720 --> 01:20:50.640 our listeners to kind of, you know, help them look after and strengthen 952 01:20:50.760 --> 01:20:55.640 their own mental health and well being, and also those people who are supporting 953 01:20:55.680 --> 01:20:58.399 them as well to encourage them. Do you have any between the two of 954 01:20:58.439 --> 01:21:00.319 you, have any sort of other tips that may have come from the workshops 955 01:21:00.479 --> 01:21:03.199 or just the work that you've been doing with the project show and with the 956 01:21:03.239 --> 01:21:06.079 club. I should say, yeah, well, a few things that's come 957 01:21:06.159 --> 01:21:13.079 to mind, and it's about self care. And self care is important in 958 01:21:13.159 --> 01:21:23.279 the sense of the majority of our race and culture, especially when we have 959 01:21:23.399 --> 01:21:27.720 a family. We put ourselves out of the picture and we give our own 960 01:21:28.640 --> 01:21:36.600 to our children and husbands and when and wait until when the children have grown 961 01:21:36.680 --> 01:21:42.199 up, married, and then you're alone. What do you do with your 962 01:21:42.279 --> 01:21:45.199 time? What do you do with yourself? That's another thing I found that 963 01:21:45.439 --> 01:21:50.000 came out of the recent time workshop that we've had. You know, because 964 01:21:50.039 --> 01:21:56.399 they're not on their own, and they didn't have a hobby, because church 965 01:21:56.560 --> 01:22:00.600 was their hobby. So they look forward to coming to church, and because 966 01:22:01.319 --> 01:22:09.199 of our religion, our practices as seven of their Adventists, people tend to 967 01:22:09.239 --> 01:22:13.840 think they can't do anything outside of that, right, you know. They 968 01:22:13.880 --> 01:22:16.279 can't go to parties, they can't go to clubs, which of course we 969 01:22:16.439 --> 01:22:20.159 know that, but they've got to be selected. So what sort of things 970 01:22:20.359 --> 01:22:30.039 is out there for me? The community have a pleaser of activities and they 971 01:22:30.159 --> 01:22:40.720 call it clubs that they can join and and find to find themselves and to 972 01:22:40.840 --> 01:22:45.439 find what their hobby is or what they can do to keep themselves occupied. 973 01:22:45.960 --> 01:22:48.960 So it's it's all about where do they place themselves and where would they find 974 01:22:48.960 --> 01:22:53.600 Where would people find that information? Like the library? The library is okay, 975 01:22:54.479 --> 01:23:01.000 the library is a lot of information and their local authority so Freud and 976 01:23:01.319 --> 01:23:06.319 they just need to go on their website and there are lots of farm Forum 977 01:23:06.439 --> 01:23:12.439 now and there are lots of Age UK site they just need to type in. 978 01:23:12.920 --> 01:23:15.079 Because most people, most people have got some form of digital phone, 979 01:23:15.520 --> 01:23:20.199 yeah, or access to it, and a lot more people are encouraging their 980 01:23:20.279 --> 01:23:26.760 young, their the their great grand it's not the grand children that's helping them 981 01:23:26.800 --> 01:23:30.039 now, it's the great grand is in the seniors to get more familiarized with 982 01:23:30.359 --> 01:23:40.800 technology. They can also help them to access that through friendship online friendship, 983 01:23:41.159 --> 01:23:45.560 although they've got to be careful, so you know, we recommend people to 984 01:23:45.680 --> 01:23:49.479 different sites that they can go to, even learning sewing is another area that 985 01:23:49.600 --> 01:23:57.600 people have picked up a game antswer craft, you know, mm hmm. 986 01:23:58.760 --> 01:24:06.239 It's the history. Knowing your history and ancestry is another area that these widely 987 01:24:08.159 --> 01:24:12.399 promoted outside of the church. And as we in the church need to be 988 01:24:12.439 --> 01:24:15.199 a bit more flexible by encouraging our faults as well. So we've got our 989 01:24:15.279 --> 01:24:20.800 bulletin, so our church bulletin and any church bulletin, they can also put 990 01:24:20.920 --> 01:24:27.920 some tips in there acknowledging the seniors so that they know that they're being thought 991 01:24:27.960 --> 01:24:33.039 about. It's noted stop doing that. But as you say that, I 992 01:24:33.079 --> 01:24:36.800 mean I regularly. That's one thing I do like with the mental health team. 993 01:24:38.000 --> 01:24:42.680 Every week they do have their image with a different message and again you 994 01:24:42.720 --> 01:24:45.039 know they want to encourage obviously the different parts to do that. But that's 995 01:24:45.079 --> 01:24:47.079 a really good, a good way of doing that as well. Yeah. 996 01:24:47.800 --> 01:24:51.399 So, because we've got twenty or more than twenty four departments in our churches, 997 01:24:51.520 --> 01:24:57.640 all of our churches. Because if we're practicing the corporate identity of self 998 01:24:57.640 --> 01:25:02.600 with the adventism, we should be following this pattern. So if we start 999 01:25:02.680 --> 01:25:08.800 to work together so that we're not struggling individually as departments, we would be 1000 01:25:08.880 --> 01:25:14.640 more united, and we wouldn't be so thinking that it's your baby or my 1001 01:25:14.800 --> 01:25:16.960 baby, but it's all our baby, right, So that's it becomes more 1002 01:25:17.119 --> 01:25:23.079 strengthened. Yeah. Yeah. Some of the other tips that I could offer 1003 01:25:23.279 --> 01:25:28.079 is just say to you, if you're not working any longer, have a 1004 01:25:28.199 --> 01:25:33.479 routine every day. Have a routine. Again, it's basic things. Get 1005 01:25:33.640 --> 01:25:40.000 up, have something to get up for, so you may do your devotion, 1006 01:25:40.720 --> 01:25:45.039 say your prayers. And even if you don't do that each day, 1007 01:25:45.119 --> 01:25:48.279 I said to the group, say two or three things you're grateful for. 1008 01:25:49.319 --> 01:25:53.880 As you wake up in the morning, just say two or think three things 1009 01:25:53.920 --> 01:25:59.840 you're grateful for. Your physical health is important. Drink a lot of water. 1010 01:26:00.960 --> 01:26:04.439 How you start the day is going to impact the rest of your day. 1011 01:26:05.079 --> 01:26:13.920 So if you get up and you're grateful for something, and also you're 1012 01:26:14.000 --> 01:26:18.760 drinking water, there's a lot of feedback here there. You make sure that 1013 01:26:18.800 --> 01:26:25.840 you're drinking water. There's an akerman and I'm not going to tell you what 1014 01:26:25.920 --> 01:26:30.560 it means because it's homework for our listeners. Okay, new start something. 1015 01:26:30.640 --> 01:26:34.439 In the Adventist Church, we practice, so I'm not going to say, 1016 01:26:34.600 --> 01:26:40.000 but I'm just going to say to listeners to find out what you started, 1017 01:26:40.119 --> 01:26:43.119 and then you can message us and if you find out, let us know 1018 01:26:43.359 --> 01:26:47.920 what you started. What's the akerman? What does that mean? But some 1019 01:26:48.039 --> 01:26:51.960 of the things maybe to get up, go out, go for walks, 1020 01:26:54.439 --> 01:27:00.840 speak to one person every day, whether it's by phone, into or in 1021 01:27:00.000 --> 01:27:04.920 person. The other things you're saying, where do we where can they find 1022 01:27:04.960 --> 01:27:11.600 this information? Pop into your GP, Your GP surgeries will have this information 1023 01:27:11.680 --> 01:27:15.079 because some people will take it. Some people don't want to use the internet. 1024 01:27:15.720 --> 01:27:17.000 They may have phones. They don't want to say to the grand or 1025 01:27:17.039 --> 01:27:20.119 the great grandchildren, tell me how to do it because that might be annoying. 1026 01:27:21.039 --> 01:27:25.960 Just and it gets you out of the house. Walk to the GPS, 1027 01:27:26.119 --> 01:27:30.520 speak to receptionists, walk to the libraries, speak to a librarian, 1028 01:27:30.880 --> 01:27:35.760 get out of the house and ask people. So these are a few basic 1029 01:27:35.920 --> 01:27:42.720 tips. Conversation, what you eat, what you drink, how you start 1030 01:27:43.359 --> 01:27:48.279 have a routine every day and I can guarantee you that it will help you 1031 01:27:49.319 --> 01:27:55.960 mentally. And also, just as I'm going to add us to them, 1032 01:27:56.079 --> 01:27:59.319 you talked about the devotion you know, doing your devotions and what have you? 1033 01:28:00.039 --> 01:28:04.079 Club like this and projects like this? How does that also enable and 1034 01:28:04.239 --> 01:28:08.520 benefit your spiritual lives as well. Jenny talked a little bit. You know, 1035 01:28:08.640 --> 01:28:12.720 you pray together. You know we're trying to stay well, it's in 1036 01:28:12.800 --> 01:28:15.479 the church context, but how does this also enhance our spiritual life? I 1037 01:28:15.560 --> 01:28:24.840 mean, is this in another form of encouragement to answer that. We purposely 1038 01:28:25.399 --> 01:28:31.720 have a devotion every time we need, and we asked the permission of our 1039 01:28:31.760 --> 01:28:41.039 community attenders how they feel with their mind, and they give us their permission 1040 01:28:41.479 --> 01:28:46.359 and blessings. And when one week we didn't have it and they were not 1041 01:28:46.479 --> 01:28:50.000 pleased, they wanted to know why we weren't having it. Okay, Yes, 1042 01:28:50.520 --> 01:28:55.640 and that is because the person who was asked to do and come and 1043 01:28:56.239 --> 01:29:00.720 they didn't get to communicate that early enough, so we we had to improvise. 1044 01:29:01.239 --> 01:29:05.880 But it just shows you that even though they may not be part of 1045 01:29:05.960 --> 01:29:12.359 our church community, people still need guidance and we need to let them know 1046 01:29:12.600 --> 01:29:16.359 and see how the Bible relate to their lives, to their daily lives. 1047 01:29:16.720 --> 01:29:20.840 And that is not an animate Yes, the babis sofas animate, but the 1048 01:29:20.960 --> 01:29:27.479 instructions is admonition to our lives. Yeah. And the other one of the 1049 01:29:27.520 --> 01:29:31.479 other things that we did was. It was where we were talking about loneliness, 1050 01:29:31.600 --> 01:29:34.520 and I guess we're also saying to encourage a church is to be opened 1051 01:29:34.600 --> 01:29:39.159 more than once or twice a week. So we told them what was happening 1052 01:29:39.199 --> 01:29:42.439 in the church. So we open on a Tuesday, we open on a 1053 01:29:42.479 --> 01:29:45.880 Wednesday for prayer meeting, we open on a sabas, so that's at least 1054 01:29:45.920 --> 01:29:47.439 three days of a week. So we're saying, at least three days a 1055 01:29:47.520 --> 01:29:53.359 week you can attend our church. But we're also encouraging churches to open up 1056 01:29:53.399 --> 01:29:59.399 their doors more often every day, try and see if have a reason for 1057 01:29:59.520 --> 01:30:02.159 the church to be open, because people will attend because they are alone. 1058 01:30:03.079 --> 01:30:08.239 But yeah, it's really important for us to have little activities because it's not 1059 01:30:08.520 --> 01:30:12.800 just we're talking about elder folks now, but when we look around us and 1060 01:30:12.840 --> 01:30:16.159 what's been happening recently, the young people don't have anywhere to go, and 1061 01:30:16.279 --> 01:30:19.199 maybe if we opened up our doors a little bit more for them as well, 1062 01:30:19.920 --> 01:30:25.079 you know, you would see that the church will be fulled, not 1063 01:30:25.399 --> 01:30:28.840 just on the day to worship, but on other days. Yeah, and 1064 01:30:28.960 --> 01:30:31.439 again, it's about meeting the needs, and it's about meeting people's needs. 1065 01:30:31.479 --> 01:30:34.199 Isn't it. It's about meeting the needs, whether it's the church members or 1066 01:30:34.279 --> 01:30:39.279 your local community people in your local area. So as we mentioned that, 1067 01:30:39.479 --> 01:30:43.560 you know, how can churches set up a group like this? Now? 1068 01:30:43.680 --> 01:30:46.680 I know, Joe, this has been going for over twenty years and the 1069 01:30:46.840 --> 01:30:50.920 challenges that you may have had then may be very different now. But you 1070 01:30:51.000 --> 01:30:54.479 know what kind of we talk to be Leed a little bit at the beginning 1071 01:30:54.479 --> 01:30:57.760 of the show, but you know, how can people start this? And 1072 01:30:57.840 --> 01:31:00.119 I guess some of the key things just and what you've sort of said is 1073 01:31:00.199 --> 01:31:04.520 to you know, get people together, have a plan, and I guess 1074 01:31:04.600 --> 01:31:09.720 consistency, but you know, making sure it doesn't just fizzle out because sometimes 1075 01:31:09.760 --> 01:31:13.720 the intentions are good, but you know, you need the commitment everything else. 1076 01:31:13.800 --> 01:31:15.560 But you know, is there anything else that you kind of think is 1077 01:31:15.560 --> 01:31:17.720 going to be really key to setting up a group like this or to kind 1078 01:31:17.760 --> 01:31:26.520 of run projects like Dorothy has done. Well. I think the community needs 1079 01:31:26.560 --> 01:31:30.159 to buy into it, want it right, Yeah, So somebody in the 1080 01:31:30.239 --> 01:31:33.039 community, so before Joan was talking about she wanted to do it, and 1081 01:31:33.119 --> 01:31:38.079 there were a group of people at Balan that wanted to set up something and 1082 01:31:38.239 --> 01:31:42.279 Joan had the expertise and worked with them. Sister Bennett went to Joe and 1083 01:31:42.359 --> 01:31:45.600 said, look, this is what she thinks is missing. So people need 1084 01:31:45.720 --> 01:31:47.479 to want to do it. And I know that a few of the other 1085 01:31:47.600 --> 01:31:54.479 churches are doing like the Silver Years, Golden Years, Autumn Rose type. 1086 01:31:54.680 --> 01:31:59.800 Okay clubs, they are doing it and it's too Maybe initially you can talk 1087 01:31:59.840 --> 01:32:02.720 to chair, you can talk to you, go and visit. That's what 1088 01:32:02.840 --> 01:32:06.800 I would say. Visit other clubs in the community. You might not live 1089 01:32:06.920 --> 01:32:12.399 near Balam, but there are other clubs in the community that are like this. 1090 01:32:12.680 --> 01:32:16.840 Go and visit. The council have funding for projects like this, and 1091 01:32:16.960 --> 01:32:23.319 it's to connect with the community, your local authority, your church. Speak 1092 01:32:23.359 --> 01:32:27.039 to your pastor. Yeah, speak to your pastor. That's important. So 1093 01:32:27.880 --> 01:32:33.199 in addition to those things, the physical things that we need to think about 1094 01:32:34.920 --> 01:32:41.720 people. That's the resource and people of like mind or who would buy into 1095 01:32:42.159 --> 01:32:47.439 the idea. So you and before you set up the community, you first 1096 01:32:47.479 --> 01:32:50.279 of all need the people. So how many of you are there going to 1097 01:32:50.399 --> 01:32:56.279 be and who is interested. Once you've done that, you didn't have to 1098 01:32:57.560 --> 01:33:00.680 submit if you don't have your own premier, because when you don't have your 1099 01:33:00.680 --> 01:33:05.239 own premises, you need to hire premises outside who's going to pay for it? 1100 01:33:05.640 --> 01:33:09.680 So you need to think of a budget, you need to have people. 1101 01:33:10.159 --> 01:33:13.520 You need to think how long do you think this would take to set 1102 01:33:13.640 --> 01:33:16.279 up or to implement? Who are the people that we need to talk to? 1103 01:33:17.439 --> 01:33:19.880 Yeah, because those are the key people that you need to get on 1104 01:33:20.039 --> 01:33:26.960 board first of all, so that the barrier for you to be granted permission 1105 01:33:28.199 --> 01:33:36.199 will be minimal. Yeah. So so and is it going to be long 1106 01:33:36.319 --> 01:33:44.640 term or is it just short term? Who are the target people? Yeah? 1107 01:33:44.680 --> 01:33:48.319 The target audience, so whether it's seniors like now or Gen Z or 1108 01:33:48.359 --> 01:33:58.439 they're the priority at the moment. Yeah, and the different generation. So 1109 01:33:59.279 --> 01:34:04.560 you've got to think of people budget, how you're going to the budget is 1110 01:34:04.600 --> 01:34:08.159 how you're going to fund it. And usually it's good to get people who 1111 01:34:08.239 --> 01:34:12.079 are already experienced. So you're looking for accountants, you're looking for secretary, 1112 01:34:12.359 --> 01:34:16.720 you're looking for photographers. Yes, someone is going to do your own media, 1113 01:34:17.560 --> 01:34:21.479 your publicity. So all of those areas are the ones that you need 1114 01:34:21.520 --> 01:34:33.239 to take take on board. Take Oh, we're losing a slightly jone back 1115 01:34:33.640 --> 01:34:40.520 to secretary definitely as well. Yeah, yeah, sorry, I'm being deserbed. 1116 01:34:40.800 --> 01:34:43.279 That's okay, I'm gonna say as you're saying all of those things. 1117 01:34:43.760 --> 01:34:45.720 I guess this is also another way that other people can get involved as well 1118 01:34:46.079 --> 01:34:50.640 in terms of volunteering and helping out. There are so many skills often there 1119 01:34:50.640 --> 01:34:55.000 are many people with so many skills within our churches, and they're definitely something 1120 01:34:55.079 --> 01:34:59.680 like this is where they could actually volunteer, hopefully volunteer their time and put 1121 01:34:59.720 --> 01:35:01.680 those fiels to good use and obviously, you know, sharing their own knowledge 1122 01:35:01.720 --> 01:35:06.159 as well and in the process learn from it as well from this experience. 1123 01:35:08.720 --> 01:35:12.159 So yes, that's clear things. So Joan, obviously you've been you've been 1124 01:35:12.640 --> 01:35:15.279 running one of the leaders of the Autumn Rows for a very long time. 1125 01:35:15.760 --> 01:35:20.159 For you, what was your what's what was your main takeaway from this project? 1126 01:35:21.079 --> 01:35:25.359 How you experienced it, and you know, how has it benefited you 1127 01:35:26.079 --> 01:35:30.359 as well? Because sometimes when you know you have an idea of something and 1128 01:35:30.479 --> 01:35:34.800 then you something comes, you know, it hopefully comes to fruition. Did 1129 01:35:34.840 --> 01:35:38.720 it achieve what you set out to achieve? You know, how has it 1130 01:35:38.760 --> 01:35:45.479 impacted you? One hundred percent? Because the eight of us who initially put 1131 01:35:45.520 --> 01:35:47.800 it in place, I didn't know that we were still to be together all 1132 01:35:47.880 --> 01:35:53.760 this time. So two of the age, it is no longer with us, 1133 01:35:54.039 --> 01:35:58.840 as I said earlier, So that was a godsend. So that happened 1134 01:35:58.880 --> 01:36:03.760 because our mine were on the same path. Yeah, so that kept the 1135 01:36:03.840 --> 01:36:11.359 consistency right. So the Yeah, I won't name anybody because I might forget 1136 01:36:11.720 --> 01:36:15.159 anyway. So so that's what I got out of it. And I got 1137 01:36:15.279 --> 01:36:20.359 out of it for myself, which I didn't intended because I just wanted to 1138 01:36:20.479 --> 01:36:25.560 do things for others and myself never came into the picture. Of course, 1139 01:36:25.640 --> 01:36:29.199 myself have to be there because I had to do the work. Yeah, 1140 01:36:29.840 --> 01:36:34.439 But but to become discouraged, no, I didn't get discouraged. My strength, 1141 01:36:36.359 --> 01:36:43.960 my personal grew from strength to strength because also representing the church and the 1142 01:36:44.039 --> 01:36:55.800 club in the community. Oh, looks like we've lost confidence. To to 1143 01:36:56.039 --> 01:37:00.920 to represent the church was was an honor, you know, because I had 1144 01:37:00.000 --> 01:37:05.960 been representing the club in the community for about six years before I felt confident 1145 01:37:06.079 --> 01:37:13.560 to even mention about the balance church. I spoke about my Christianity, but 1146 01:37:13.640 --> 01:37:16.239 I never said that I was seven of the Adventists, Okay, And one 1147 01:37:16.319 --> 01:37:21.079 day I attended one of their committee meetings, and when I attended, everybody 1148 01:37:21.159 --> 01:37:26.000 stood up when I arrived and enter the room, and I was horrified. 1149 01:37:26.039 --> 01:37:29.039 I'm thinking, why all standing up? And I said, oh, well, 1150 01:37:29.079 --> 01:37:30.880 the clergy is walked in, so we've got to acknowledge the clergy. 1151 01:37:32.279 --> 01:37:35.600 And I'm thinking, wow, where did you get that from? It says 1152 01:37:35.960 --> 01:37:41.079 you are a dog, a dark horse, that says you never told us 1153 01:37:41.119 --> 01:37:44.279 that you're in the love for your church, and so you know that sort 1154 01:37:44.359 --> 01:37:47.640 of thing. And I really am the worst person to ask about myself, 1155 01:37:48.119 --> 01:37:54.960 you know, because I can't. I'm very, very humble and very shy, 1156 01:37:55.600 --> 01:37:59.159 you know, so you don't know when Dorothy asked me, I didn't 1157 01:37:59.199 --> 01:38:00.960 know it was going to be like I should say that I was going to 1158 01:38:00.000 --> 01:38:06.119 be on everybody else. And it's been fantastic having you hear sharing Jones. 1159 01:38:06.239 --> 01:38:12.079 So whilst you may say you're shy, I'll pretend I didn't hear that one. 1160 01:38:12.239 --> 01:38:17.479 So I'm shy, just like me, so shy, so shy. 1161 01:38:17.880 --> 01:38:21.760 But no, it sounds like, you know, it's been a positive experience 1162 01:38:21.960 --> 01:38:28.039 over the period of time, definitely good for your own mental well being, 1163 01:38:28.920 --> 01:38:30.920 you know, whether it's from the topics that you've been looking at or just 1164 01:38:31.000 --> 01:38:35.920 for the supportive the supportive nature and the connections that you've made and the friendships 1165 01:38:35.920 --> 01:38:40.800 that you've made over the years as well. You know, So what plans, 1166 01:38:41.039 --> 01:38:45.000 what have you got coming up? Going forward? We're coming to rapidly, 1167 01:38:45.039 --> 01:38:47.159 coming to the end of the show as per usual, but we can 1168 01:38:47.199 --> 01:38:49.359 always do a part two. There's always going to be a part two if 1169 01:38:49.359 --> 01:38:54.279 we've said this every time, because again, we start these conversations and we 1170 01:38:54.399 --> 01:38:57.720 definitely want to keep them going. So what is what's he planned for autumn 1171 01:38:57.800 --> 01:39:04.520 Rose? What's coming up Dorothy for autumn Rows? I can tell you for 1172 01:39:04.640 --> 01:39:09.239 mental health, but maybe you need to talk it's particular and obviously I'm hoping 1173 01:39:09.319 --> 01:39:15.720 you mentioned and the projects. We will be meeting together and deciding how to 1174 01:39:15.840 --> 01:39:18.119 go because it's what we did find out was, like I said earlier, 1175 01:39:19.319 --> 01:39:25.920 we the older people need timeline, right, so we're promising them something. 1176 01:39:26.000 --> 01:39:30.039 We're going to do it, how long for? So we need a period 1177 01:39:30.039 --> 01:39:31.520 of time where we can say, right, let to another six weeks. 1178 01:39:32.319 --> 01:39:36.520 So there will be that from the Mental Health and well Being department, we 1179 01:39:36.720 --> 01:39:43.560 will be offering another six weeks, but more imminently tomorrow at Balling Church. 1180 01:39:43.600 --> 01:39:46.640 If anyone's available, everybody wants to attend, we are having that. We 1181 01:39:46.720 --> 01:39:51.600 said this week has been mental health. We had mental Health Day and what 1182 01:39:51.760 --> 01:39:59.319 was it meeting Greeks situation tea and talk about Yeah tomorrow, but we're actually 1183 01:39:59.439 --> 01:40:04.279 going to we aren't having We're opening up for the same group to attend and 1184 01:40:04.359 --> 01:40:09.880 we're having like a little tea party. We're having them to come and talk 1185 01:40:10.680 --> 01:40:14.960 and again have a little light refreshments. We've opened it up to them. 1186 01:40:15.399 --> 01:40:19.000 And we also have run a food bank on tomorrow at Balam, so we're 1187 01:40:19.079 --> 01:40:25.560 inviting people that do attend there to come in and have a chat. Okay, 1188 01:40:25.960 --> 01:40:29.159 So that's what we're going to do imminently. But also we're going to 1189 01:40:29.199 --> 01:40:31.039 be joining I know Auto Roads will be joining up with other departments of the 1190 01:40:31.159 --> 01:40:39.760 church, health, community services and arranging similar type work as well, and 1191 01:40:39.960 --> 01:40:44.840 then the woman Ministry as well. But at the same time, this is 1192 01:40:44.920 --> 01:40:48.960 a thank you for their efforts and their participation for coming out. That's what's 1193 01:40:49.000 --> 01:40:53.840 happening tomorrow, so we all they take the opportunity to come. I know 1194 01:40:53.920 --> 01:40:58.000 it's on a Sunday, but at the same time we can't do everything on 1195 01:40:58.159 --> 01:41:00.520 Tuesday, and Tuesday is the only day that we've been given to have the 1196 01:41:00.800 --> 01:41:06.640 premises for our time, which is usually from eleven to three, but we've 1197 01:41:06.720 --> 01:41:12.159 only been finishing up up one two o'clock, so you know, we have 1198 01:41:12.239 --> 01:41:15.720 to be that in mind, Okay. So I just wanted to see that 1199 01:41:15.920 --> 01:41:20.359 we're not just there to dictate to them or to talk at them and have 1200 01:41:20.520 --> 01:41:24.800 them restrictive, but just for them to come and network with each other. 1201 01:41:25.840 --> 01:41:28.880 So for the Autumn Rose Club that runs on a Tuesday, what times if 1202 01:41:28.880 --> 01:41:31.720 anybody's interested in it, if they'd like to attend, So that's Tuesday, 1203 01:41:32.079 --> 01:41:38.000 from what time to what time? From eleven to twelve o'clock is the exercise 1204 01:41:38.119 --> 01:41:43.439 session, okay, and then from twelve to thirty to one thirty they workshops 1205 01:41:43.680 --> 01:41:49.000 which based on a flutterer of activities, but the activities are usually six weeks 1206 01:41:49.000 --> 01:41:54.800 at a time, but at the moment we have having three weeks health and 1207 01:41:54.920 --> 01:42:00.359 well being, which is the cooking part of the around they're eating eatingly is 1208 01:42:00.960 --> 01:42:05.000 space and if people okay, and if people wanted more information, would it 1209 01:42:05.000 --> 01:42:08.800 be a case of going to the Ballum Church website. Is there information on 1210 01:42:08.920 --> 01:42:13.920 there it is. Yeah, okay, so that's Ballum dot Adventist Church dot 1211 01:42:14.119 --> 01:42:19.319 org dot UK and you can find information there. So thank you both, 1212 01:42:19.479 --> 01:42:23.479 ladies. Like I said at the beginning, actually I didn't say the beginning. 1213 01:42:23.520 --> 01:42:26.840 I forgot that. I was reminded that it's also Black History Month and 1214 01:42:26.960 --> 01:42:31.760 we're celebrating our sisters, and we have two strong sisters here with us who've 1215 01:42:31.800 --> 01:42:36.159 joined us today. So I really appreciate you taking your time and sharing with 1216 01:42:36.359 --> 01:42:41.800 us the impact and the projects, the project you've been running and the impact 1217 01:42:41.840 --> 01:42:45.880 that it's been having on people's lives ultimately, and the differences that you can 1218 01:42:45.960 --> 01:42:50.760 make sometimes by starting small and seeing how that can grow and making those connections. 1219 01:42:51.159 --> 01:42:57.159 So I really appreciate you being with us. We're coming to the end 1220 01:42:57.239 --> 01:43:00.760 of our show. Oh two hours always go so quickly, well sometimes always 1221 01:43:00.760 --> 01:43:02.920 tempted should it be longer? And then we think different and think how maybe 1222 01:43:03.000 --> 01:43:06.600 not. It's always a part two, always for another conversation on that one. 1223 01:43:08.359 --> 01:43:12.920 So what we want to do We're going to pray to close and to 1224 01:43:13.000 --> 01:43:15.640 kind of bless the projects and the work that you guys are doing, and 1225 01:43:15.760 --> 01:43:20.399 then I'm going to end out with a song. I guess in o di 1226 01:43:20.560 --> 01:43:26.920 our senior members for Shelley Caesar so saying he'll do it again. I want 1227 01:43:26.920 --> 01:43:30.199 to thank you all for joining us here today. So we're going to close 1228 01:43:30.239 --> 01:43:33.800 and answering me to pray for us, and then we'll finish and close. 1229 01:43:35.319 --> 01:43:39.279 Yeah, I just wanted to share, as I are forty six four, 1230 01:43:39.439 --> 01:43:45.039 I found it very reassuring, even to your old age and gray here as 1231 01:43:45.239 --> 01:43:48.720 I am he I am, he will sustain you. I have made you, 1232 01:43:48.880 --> 01:43:54.439 and I will carry you. I will sustain you and I will rescue 1233 01:43:54.520 --> 01:43:58.199 you. Yes, that's a good I was a very reassuring. Yeah, 1234 01:43:58.399 --> 01:44:01.840 absolutely promise, and maybe I shall post it somewhere on my screen. But 1235 01:44:02.039 --> 01:44:06.560 yes, God is good and He's able to keep us right through to the 1236 01:44:06.720 --> 01:44:12.880 end. Let's pray devenily Father once again. We know we have tackled a 1237 01:44:13.199 --> 01:44:17.720 huge topic and we're very happy that we have started the conversation. Give us 1238 01:44:17.840 --> 01:44:25.640 the grace and the wisdom to continue it. Lord be with Joanne and Dorothy. 1239 01:44:26.399 --> 01:44:30.880 We've taken the time to have this conversation with us. Bless them and 1240 01:44:30.039 --> 01:44:35.319 the wonderful, wonderful work that they do. We also want to pray for 1241 01:44:35.600 --> 01:44:41.640 our elders, our seniors. We haven't quite found the word yet, but 1242 01:44:41.880 --> 01:44:45.199 you know who they are. We pray for them. I know, whatever 1243 01:44:45.319 --> 01:44:48.319 they may be struggling with, whatever they may be battling, we are sure 1244 01:44:48.359 --> 01:44:55.239 that you have given them the victory. Lord. We also pray that they 1245 01:44:55.319 --> 01:45:00.159 will get the support that they need and deserve. Lord, we pray that 1246 01:45:00.239 --> 01:45:04.680 we will have the patience and the kindness and the care that we need for 1247 01:45:04.880 --> 01:45:09.600 them as well. There's so much that we can learn at their feet. 1248 01:45:10.439 --> 01:45:13.439 Lord, give them the courage to speak up as well, to voice their 1249 01:45:13.520 --> 01:45:17.439 concerns and to seek the support that they need. Bless them, bless us 1250 01:45:18.039 --> 01:45:24.600 with health and strength and more abundant ears. In Jesus' name, I pray 1251 01:45:25.239 --> 01:45:32.680 Amen. I didn't get to share Isaiah Ebrew five and those four routine, 1252 01:45:33.000 --> 01:45:36.640 which is about the five sences. Oh right, okay, well, definitely 1253 01:45:36.720 --> 01:45:41.920 if there's any more resources, do let us know. When the shows are 1254 01:45:41.960 --> 01:45:47.399 podcasted, we can always add some information into the descriptions there. So yeah, 1255 01:45:47.479 --> 01:45:51.159 and definitely, you know this we could be talking about this. There's 1256 01:45:51.199 --> 01:45:55.199 so much that we could cover around this as well. You know, we 1257 01:45:55.239 --> 01:45:58.439 had so many questions and different things areas we could talk about, so we 1258 01:45:58.520 --> 01:46:01.000 could definitely have you guys back on again. Someone's going to really want to 1259 01:46:01.000 --> 01:46:04.560 thank you guys for your time for joining us on Talking Point. It's been 1260 01:46:04.600 --> 01:46:09.000 fantastic. I hope you have listeners out there and we've enjoyed the show, 1261 01:46:09.560 --> 01:46:15.880 and we'll join us again next week. We're continuing around black history and hopefully 1262 01:46:15.880 --> 01:46:24.600 we're going to do a health one actually around menopause, which again is a 1263 01:46:24.800 --> 01:46:30.399 timely topic became I think it's International Menopause Day and as we know, people 1264 01:46:30.399 --> 01:46:33.560 are getting older for women, this is an area and I know it's been 1265 01:46:33.960 --> 01:46:39.239 kind of quite there's been a lot of media attention around it more recently, 1266 01:46:39.439 --> 01:46:42.239 so again we're going to be looking at that, so do join us again. 1267 01:46:42.279 --> 01:46:45.039 So thank you so much. Enjoy the rest of your evening. Do 1268 01:46:45.279 --> 01:46:51.279 join Advantage Radio London tomorrow for more live programming. So it's good night for 1269 01:46:51.439 --> 01:47:00.640 me, Angela, me Zanya, Me, Dorothy, me Joan and Pedro. 1270 01:47:00.880 --> 01:47:03.000 Get well soon. Thank you so much for joining us. We're going 1271 01:47:03.039 --> 01:47:10.159 to close out with He'll do It Again by Shelley Caesar. Thank you very 1272 01:47:10.239 --> 01:47:13.279 much, thank you for joining us, and see you again. Bye. 1273 01:47:20.920 --> 01:47:30.399 You may feel down and feel like God has some help forgotten that you're first. 1274 01:47:30.199 --> 01:47:38.960 We'll circumstances that you can't get through right now, it seems, but 1275 01:47:39.159 --> 01:47:47.279 there's no way out. You're all under God, even time and time again 1276 01:47:47.760 --> 01:48:00.439 you'll take care of you. He'll do it again again. Just take a 1277 01:48:00.560 --> 01:48:10.960 little where you are and all your dad has it always gone through? Ah 1278 01:48:11.319 --> 01:48:17.479 are you? He's a saying now as dud has God saying you may you 1279 01:48:17.640 --> 01:48:26.960 may not do man, but he'll do it again on those things that you're 1280 01:48:27.039 --> 01:48:35.199 going through and how you are hurting. You understands just how your has been 1281 01:48:35.279 --> 01:48:43.520 walking into. He's a god of the sun, the storms, the sea. 1282 01:48:44.479 --> 01:48:51.600 It's your father. He'll calm the storm. You'll not pay and he'll 1283 01:48:51.720 --> 01:49:01.720 feel sad more of you. He'll do that again. Can you get set? 1284 01:49:01.840 --> 01:49:12.600 He just take a little when you are? You there has always come 1285 01:49:12.680 --> 01:49:18.520 to me. Ah you, he's a shame now as he's not said you 1286 01:49:18.680 --> 01:49:30.680 may not, you may not go where when he's he's still call, he 1287 01:49:30.840 --> 01:49:41.119 will not fear of you. He's still gone, he has not changed. 1288 01:49:43.000 --> 01:49:51.439 I'm changed. Still go if he's foes for you, shills like damn you, 1289 01:49:53.159 --> 01:50:00.479 that shows like moss like chose, like shack shot. I'm yeah, 1290 01:50:06.000 --> 01:50:18.039 just take way you as your old come through far you. He's the same 1291 01:50:18.159 --> 01:50:26.520 now as the you pay. You pay that the open. But you'll do 1292 01:50:26.720 --> 01:50:36.680 it. I can't. I don't sol You need him to not have friends. 1293 01:50:39.359 --> 01:50:45.239 You don't to know when you want to know? How gone? So 1294 01:50:46.079 --> 01:50:48.439 you don't. Don't. You don't know how. I'm gonna do it. 1295 01:50:49.760 --> 01:50:56.279 I'm gonna go. The old word of God said you like to hear from 1296 01:50:56.359 --> 01:51:14.239 it had great Jack. You don't want a dark than you. You don't 1297 01:51:14.680 --> 01:51:47.279 cannot, you don't canny. You may not know what you're doing. Adventist 1298 01:51:47.399 --> 01:51:49.800 Radio, London inspiration for the song