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We are still in the Age of
Transitions. That hasn't changed. Are we

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used to this yet? Have you
grown a custom with this strange day and

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age, this bizarre time we live
where technology rapidly progresses, advances at a

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speed that which no human can keep
up with. And the technology itself,

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I mean, it's getting away from
itself even and we can have all sorts

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of interesting philosophical debates whether or not
machines have become conscious, self aware,

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sentient in any way, shape or
form. We can actually have a debate

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about that, and it's a reasonable, reasonable debate to have today in the

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year twenty twenty four. We made
it. We're here in the future.

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Are you excited? Are you thrilled? Is this fun? Is it horrible?

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Is it a dystopia? Is it
a utopia? Is it just business

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as usual in the United States of
America or whatever country you happen to live

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in. Is it just kind of
the same Is it the same as you

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remember when you grew up, whatever
decade that happens to be has not much

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truly changed? Maybe not has a
whole bunch changed? Yeah? Probably?

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What does it mean then? It's
changed? Is their meaning in anything?

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Do our lives have meaning? Why
are so many people depressed? Is there

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a reason that people are so depressed
beyond just you know, chemical reactions going

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on in our brain. Is it
just some random occurrence the neurons are misfiring

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and there's some sort of chemical imbalance
in our brains and nothing more. It

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just kind of happened out of nowhere, or maybe maybe psychological conditions are the

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byproducts of our environment. We are
creatures living in an environment. Our environment.

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Is it stable, is it in
a state of stasis? Is it

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ever changing? Does it change on
its own or do we affect change in

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our environment? If we affect change
in our environment, to what degree do

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we affect that change? What is
the change that's being done? Are we

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consciously aware of the changes we're making? Are we just making changes unaware that

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we've even done it in the first
place. And there's so much happening that

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we're just not consciously aware of because
we were not even thinking about. We're

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just kind of acting. We're doing
stuff, and it's having all sorts of

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effects and ramifications of which we're we
have. We have zero accounting for it.

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We haven't been we haven't noticed it. If we notice it, it's

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only because like it's like an anecdotal
thing. It's like, yeah, my

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head hurts and the air smells weird. It's like, well, maybe there's

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a bunch of chemicals floating in the
air, and maybe that's why you have

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a headache. Have we gone about
testing the air for the various chemicals that

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are in it? Probably we have, Probably somebody probably did and we're not

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aware of it. And there's another
interesting philosophical question. If somebody found out

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that there's proof for something, but
you don't know of it, what's the

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importance of that? What does our
what is the value or not thereof of

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our own ignorance, Because clearly we're
all ignorant of a lot of things.

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There's no way out of it.
Again, it's impossible to keep up with

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all the stuff happening out there.
Good luck, it's impossible. It's hard

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enough to keep track of our own
tiny little lives and get them in order.

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We're all just struggling to do that. Meanwhile, there's an entire giant

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world spinning as it always has.
But there's all these different X factors entering

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in the equation because of the rapid
speed of change that we have instituted via

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our our alchemical power. Really are
our ability to change our environment by taking

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the raw materials from it and reconstituting
them in many and varied ways, we're

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definitely really good at doing that.
We have become sure, let's just say

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we become masters of it. We
have mastered that craft, the craft of

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artifice generally speaking, umbrella term.
But I think it's appropriate to use an

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umbrella term talking like this. So
here we are. That's the age of

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transitions. Nothing to worry about,
no big deal, it's just business as

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usual. We do have to find
a way to exist again in our own

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tiny lives that we all have,
make the most of it and move forward,

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and I hope sincerely that you all
are doing a good job of that.

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I know it's not easy, so
sincere hopes go out to you the

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listener, whoever you are in your
own personal pursuits. But I wanted to

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take the opportunity here on the show
to read a couple of news articles or

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read from them give commentary on them. The first one I may hit here

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is one that gets into a topic
I've been talking about for a while,

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which is the concept of cybersecurity,
specifically the possibility of large scale cyber attacks.

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There have been all sorts of different
hacking incidents and cyber attacks that have

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occurred up to this point. There's
been all kinds of them, so it's

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not something that has not happened.
However, I think at some point what's

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going to be a game changer is
a cyber event that is so large in

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scale that it truly could be described
as like a large scale terror attack,

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right, not dissimilar to the nine
to eleven terror attacks from two thousand and

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one. Something at that kind of
scale I think is very likely to happen

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at any time. I don't know
when I but all I know is that

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it could happen any day now.
It could happen, and I just presume

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that it's going to its amount of
time, honestly, And I don't like

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saying that. I don't like making
that prediction, but it just seems like

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a foregone conclusion. And on that
front. The other day was it Thursday,

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I was watching I just you know, how the TV comes on at

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work in the break room, That's
what was going on. It was a

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Good Morning Americas on the on the
TV. I just kind of like walked

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in and I took notice because what
they were talking about was the threat of

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large scale cyber attacks on the US, specifically from China. They're saying like

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this is a big threat, China
is will Basically they're saying they will hack

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US at some point as a massive
security threat. And yet specifically they named

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China, which is fascinating that they
did that. I mean, it tracks

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with so much that's been going on. But the fact that this was a

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Good Morning America news story was a
bit unsettling, and I guess I saw

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that on Thursday. On Wednesday,
the news really broke this. I'm gonna

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read from this article from CNN from
Wednesday, Wednesday, January thirty. First,

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the title of this article, again
from CNN dot com. The title

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of the article is FBI director warns
that Chinese hackers are preparing to rekavoc on

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US critical infrastructure. So let's see
here. Let's read from this. FBI

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Director Christopher Ray on Wednesday warned that
Chinese hackers are preparing to recavoc and cause

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real world harm to the US.
Quote China's hackers are positioning on American infrastructure

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in preparation to wreak havoc and cause
real world harm to American citizens and communities

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if or when China decides the time
has come to strike unquote, Ray told

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the House Select Committee on the Chinese
Communist Party. Those cyber officials have long

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sounded the alarm about China's offensive cyber
capabilities. Ray's dramatic public warning underlines the

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huge level of concern at the top
of the US government about the threat Chinese

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hackers pose to critical infrastructure nationwide.
The head of the National Security Agency and

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other senior US officials also testified on
Chinese cyber activity in front of the panel

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Wednesday. Okay, so yeah,
this is the House of Representatives, Washington

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had a panel. Let's see here
China. These government backed hackers, Ray

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said, are targeting things like water
treatment plants, electrical infrastructure, and oil

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and natural gas pipelines. The Chinese
hackers are working to find and prepared to

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destroy or degrade the civilian critical infrastructure
that keeps us safe and prosperous, right,

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I said. And let's be clear, cyber threats to our critical infrastructure

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represent real world threats to our physical
safety. Okay, and okay, here

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it says the Chinese government has previously
denied allegations and hacking efforts. Yes,

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wow, surprise, they deny absolutely
everything. I mean, what do you

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expect them to do? But anyway, I mean, that's basically it.

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The FBI director went in front of
Congress and is saying like, hey,

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look, China is going to hack
us. Right, so this is definitely

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an escalation to be sure of tensions
between our two nations. China and the

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US again another story generally that I've
been interested in and following it following on

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this show. There is like a
strange, you know, the Cold War

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two point zero concept of this great
powers competition between mainly China and the US,

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and there's this ebb and flow.
If you read the news articles on

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any given day, one day it'll
say that, oh, it's inevitable China's

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got takeover and become the ultimate domineering
nation on Earth and the US influence will

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wane. And then wake up the
next day read an article and says the

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exact opposite, says, oh,
China's power is deflating and their economy is

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in the shambles and there's no way
that they could possibly keep up in the

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US economy is raging and we've never
been better and we're pulling ahead. Good

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luck catching us China. It's not
going to happen now. So you know,

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like day to day, these stupid
things are always changing. Like you

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can't put too much stock in those
sorts of articles, right What you can

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do is just see them as evidence
that there is truly there's an antagonistic relationship

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between the two countries or two countries
to say the least, that's absolutely certain.

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And yeah, it's just unsettling to
see where this all goes. We've

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got the technological race at the forefront, if not the direct center of this

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of who's going to develop AI to
a degree where it really draw it becomes

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this huge driver in national economy.
Who's going to be able to do that

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and reap the benefits of that?
Thereby I mean global supremacy there right,

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GDP goes uh blah blah blah,
all that stuff. There's not just that,

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but there is. Uh, there's
all sorts of other strange geopolitical aspirations

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and all these conflicts are seeing all
across the globe. Now, everybody's worried

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about World War three, and I
want to act like that's irrational, but

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uh, it probably isn't definitely within
the realm of possibility. I'm not gonna

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sit here and say it's a foregone
conclusion, but if it were to occur.

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At some point, I was like, yeah, well, everybody's been

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talking about it, and everybody's uh, we've been mad at each other for

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so long it's come to my head
whatever. And I reading these articles about

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the cyber threat from China. It
was I remember seeing specifically they brought up

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the Taiwan issue and somebody was saying, yes, look, if China were

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to attack Taiwan, they obviously they
want to weaken the US because we are

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going to be there to support Taiwan, or so we've said. You know,

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exactly what that would look like,
we don't know because it hasn't happened.

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But the US is there on the
side of Taiwan in that scenario.

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And so if China were to be
bold and actually push the invasion of Taiwan,

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you know, presumably they might pull
the trigger on a cyber attack on

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the US to weaken the US so
that they would not be able to retaliate.

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And you know, I'm not some
I'm not like a war college graduate

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or anything. I don't know like
strategically, Oh, what they would do

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is they would do the cyber attack
on the US first, and then they

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would be diminished. Then they have
to wait this certain amount of time to

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make it look like they're the events
they're not coincide, that they're not linked

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together to give plausible deniability, So
they do the attack. America is a

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reeling for a few weeks and then
a few weeks or a month later,

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then they invade Taiwan. I don't
know like you, but guaranteed, if

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those two events happened, a cyber
attack and the Taiwan thing, you better

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believe that the US is going to
blame China for it. With the giant

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cyber attack whatever it happens to be, and for that matter, any cyber,

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large scale cyber attack, hacking,
large scale hacking effort. At this

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point, it just seems like China
is the go to one to point the

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finger as it's like, well,
China did it again. And is this

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the world that we're going into where
we're at constant war with this country on

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the other side of the globe.
Is this our nineteen eighty four situation where

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we live in this crazy digitized world
where our entire reality is all digital now,

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and any hiccups, any things that
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will be all kinds of cyber events
and hacking that continues to go on,

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and we could just be on a
spot like regardless of whether China did it

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or not, is our government just
gonna default to like, well, there

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goes China again. See is that
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saying that China won't do these sorts
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I definitely, yeah, it makes
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so and so you get in the
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what will be the domestic reaction to
such an event? Will it be similar

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to the reactions we saw post nine
to eleven where a finger is pointed at

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somebody who, I mean, where
do you even go with that? Nine

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to eleven is its own like bag
of worms, right, because there was

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the initial attack and like uh Osama
bin Lada and the Taliban blah blah blah

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blah blah, and then they just
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wielded around to somehow pointing the finger
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we got to go in there now, we gotta have war with a

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rock, okay, And they just
make the public vaguely believe that a rock

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had something to do with nine to
eleven when that's not true whatsoever, and

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just justifies a war that's convenient for
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ourselves into that mess again? What
is the next war that's convenient or that's

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what's the war that the American establishment
wants? The must now, are the

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American elites aware of the fact that
the US is a little bit spread thin

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geopolitically at this point and a war
anywhere. Again, I'm not the war

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college graduates, and I'm not a
geopolitical expert by any means, So I

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am not the expert. But from
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like any sort of large scale confrontation
militarily internationally for the US now would be

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a bad idea, and it would
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I don't think. There's been all
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things like munitions for basic military weapons, they can't produce enough of them,

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So things like that are you know, just a real sort of nuts and

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bolts issue militarily. But there's more
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win? Like what situation do we
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We're gonna the absolute mess in Israel. What Israel is doing in Gaza?

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Is that going to spark a larger
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Are we going to fight a neighboring
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how might we get involved in that? Absolute horror show. That's one front

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we've got you Ukraine, Russia and
Ukraine were already there. How's that going

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to develop? And Russia's possible further
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You know, experts are weighing in
saying that, Yeah, Russia's ambitions are

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to move further Ukraine and beyond,
Right, should we be worried about that?

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Do we have the ability to be
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have the ability to how much are
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too And then we're talking about Taiwan, We're talking about this, uh,

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Southeast Pacific, We're talking about the
South China Sea, right, we're talking

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about that. I mean, you
talk about that and you think, you

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think about that area of the world, and you should think about World War

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two, right, and brings back
that those lovely memories, especially with the

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US involvement in that war was primarily
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happening, and yeah, I mean, how prepared are any of these nations,

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not just the US but also China
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they think they're doing now is anybody
able to keep this mess up, I

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don't know, but nobody seems to
be wanting to back down, and tensions

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continue to rise. World leaders seem
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as each passing day. And in
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that have been in power for quite
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die. That's a problem all in
and of itself. I'm sure there's some.

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I know that there's some in the
US that wish they could just rewrite

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the US Constitution so that they can
be emperors for life here in the US,

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and you've got all sorts of two
bit dictators trying to pull that off

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at the moment here in the United
States. That sounds hyperbolic. I know,

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it sounds stupid, it sounds idiotic, but it's happening as far as

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I'm concerned. Whether such efforts actually
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that remains to be seen. But
certainly the ambitions there, and we are

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in quite the mess, aren't we. So I think with that, I

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want to hit this other article that
I think will segue well here. This

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is from Mecca toornt dot com Merca, Marca, tornt M E r c

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A t O r n E T
dot com. I don't know how you're

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supposed to pronounce that, Oh,
mercator, mercatoor whatever, it's like,

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mercenary whatever. Okay, So this
article is titled America's elites are living in

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a bubble and here's the data to
prove it, just by Kurt Mahlberg,

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published January thirtieth. Let's read this
because it's about America's elites, so this

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had ought to be good, So
I'll start reading about from this one.

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The elite are out of touch is
hardly headline news, except when we get

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some concrete on just how out of
touch they are, as we did this

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month. According to a poll commissioned
by free market advocacy group the Committee to

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Unleash Prosperity and conducted by RMG Research, the top one percent earners in America,

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many of whom are Ivy League graduates, want to ban cars, ration

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meet and electricity, limit air travel, and reign in individual freedoms, and

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overwhelmingly greater numbers than their peers.
They also have very high trust in government

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and think Joe Biden is doing a
fantastic job as President. Just on the

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side here, I haven't looked into
the Committee to Unleash Prosperity or do your

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RMG research. I don't know that. I will admit they may be biased

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in some way, or they might
have some sort of political persuasion that I

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did not look into. That is
very possible. But I'm just going to

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take this and run with it.
And I suppose give this poll data the

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benefit of the down, all right, even though I'm sure all polls and

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all this stuff are flawed by their
nature, We're going to run with it.

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Okay, there, that's that a
way. So I'll keep reading.

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The people who run America, or
at least think they do, live in

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a bubble of their own construction.
The reports executive summary begins. They've isolated

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themselves from everyday America's realities to such
a degree their views about what is and

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what should be happening in this country
differ widely from the average Americans. For

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the purposes of the poll, the
elite were defined as people having at least

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one post graduate degree, earning at
least one hundred and fifty thousand dollars annually,

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and living in a high population density
area, and were described as a

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group with extraordinary political and societal power. The elites represent one percent of the

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US population, but have an outsized
voice and public policy in the United States,

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with their views seeming somehow to dominate
the national conversation. According to reports

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authors, So what did the data
show? While only twenty percent of Americans

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say are better off today than they
were in the past, seventy four percent

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of elites say their financial situation has
improved. Just twenty eight percent of Americans

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favored the strict rationing of gas,
meat, and electricity to fight climate change,

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compared with seventy seven percent of elites. Asked if gas stoves, gas

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powered cars, air conditioning SUVs,
and non essential air travel should be banned,

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between thirteen to twenty five percent of
Americans agreed, depending on the particular

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item in question. By contrast,
fifty three to seventy two percent of elites

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favored such bands. Okay, let's
here. Nearly six and ten elites said

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there is too much individual freedom in
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Okay. The reports authors summarize these
results confirm what people have long suspected

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today. There are two Americas.
One is wealthier, more highly educated and

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attended the best schools. They put
much more trust in big government to do

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the right thing, and, by
their own admission, benefit from more expansive

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government policies. They have also been
hurt far less by the high inflation of

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the Biden presidency than those who live
from paycheck to paycheck and are in the

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lower and middle classes. The Grand
Canyon sized chasm between where everyday Americans stand

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on the state of the country,
expanding government power, draconian climate change solutions.

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Joe Biden's job performance may partly explain
the Donald Trump phenomenon and his high

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approval ratings among working class voters.
Oh, here's a good part. I

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definitely want to read from this.
I think I'm going to branch off from

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this paragraph because this to me kind
of stood out. Okay, Ivory Towers

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is the heading. Far from being
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concluded, the views of American elites
arise from what might be better described as

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a fraternity culture, inculcated in the
nation's elite universities and reinforced through high frequency

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insular political chatter. Additionally, unlike
most voters, elites can easily access and

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influence government officials on issues of concern
America's closet authoritarians, in other words,

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are using their access to power.
Okay, so the thing that most popped

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out to me, they're saying this
is far from being the result of a

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conspiracy. But what they're saying it
is instead is something that could be described

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as fraternity culture, which to me
is what is the difference. Isn't that

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exactly what a conspiracy is? Like
does not? The fraternal does not,

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for internal organization overall, epitomize the
workings of conspiracies, like does not?

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A conspira is a conspiracy, not
a group of self interested people that get

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together fraternize officially by making a fraternal
order of one shape or another and swearing

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allegiance to themselves and then just going
about taking everything and giving each other favors

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and just you know, moving upwards
together leaving everybody else behind. Is I

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don't understand what the difference of I
don't understand why they're like trying to brush

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off the conspiracy other than the fact
that it's just like a dirty word you

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can't use anymore. But is that
to me, the whole fraternal thing is

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fascinating and it very much. I
mean, one of the biggest, one

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of the biggest perennial conspiracies, conspiracy
theories is the Freemasons, right, a

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fraternal order, you could call it
the fraternal order, certainly in our in

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the world that we know now,
Ah and so. But but there's how

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this article is pointing out the university
structure and university fraternities I think are very

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important and don't get a lot of
play in conspiracy lore, although they had

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ought to. I don't understand how
that has been missed all this time.

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Chuck, are you there is there
a call or something, that's what's going

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on? Yes, I was just
trying to let you know quietly that yeah,

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you had a caller. Okay,
okay, let's all right, let's

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go to the call or. I
hope this is uh. I hope this

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caller is Greek, right. I
hope that they were a member of some

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Greek fraternity and some whatever named the
state university, because we can get the

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inside story from them. If not, that's fine, we'll just get whatever

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the caller is saying. So,
caller, you are on the air.

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What's your name and where are you
calling from? Jimmy James, I'm calling

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from the state of Losers, Michigan. Uh yeah, I got it.

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Uh well, I mean yeah,
yeah, fair enough. Jimmy, are

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you uh your fraternal guy you I'm
surely you were the number of a fraternity

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at some point. Right well,
as far as you're speaking of conspiracy,

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Chuck could help me at this because
he's better with the whole Latin thing.

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It's see, the way you're describing
conspiracy is the way see the CIA set

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it up in those papers conspiracy theorists. But conspiracy is an actual criminal charge.

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I mean, just talking to people
isn't criminal. It's not necessarily bad

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or good. So I would say
that these universities are just kind of victims

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of creating their own culture and believing
that everyone else must agree with them.

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But do you know what I mean, do you get my point that a

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group of people getting again and yack
and that's not a conspiracy. Now if

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they're yacking about killing some dude,
then yeah, that's a conspiracy. I

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think what the bridge here is,
Okay, you have organizations like the Masons,

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like the Moose Lodge, like you
know whatever, right, you have

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paternal orders, right, brotherhoods of
certain ilk whatever they might be at universities.

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They could be because of an occupation. They could be because people like

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to get together allegedly to do good
works and also to just kind of network

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business wise, et cetera, et
cetera in and of themselves. With the

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exception of the Masons and some of
the ones with the you know, more

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esoteric symbolisms out there, the majority
of the time, Jimmy, the contention

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is that these groups get together and
there's one facet of the group, which

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is just the public front facing,
you know, like with the Masons,

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they would call on the front porch
Masons, right. And on the other

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end there's the inner circles and the
higher echelons, and those people not because

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they're Masons, but because they're in
kind of an elite grouping. They have

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the opportunity to do these things with
a very small number of people who sort

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of rise to a certain stature,
a certain level, a certain inner trust

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whatever. That's what it is.
It's not a matter of one absolutely follows

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the other, but one is a
great breeding ground for the other. And

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why do people say that, Because
the CIA, with some of these brotherly

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groups, founded their command structures initially
through that right the people they knew the

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best the people that they were tied
to, allegedly for their lives. If

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one mason asks another mason for help, they can't deny him. You know,

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this kind of thing, even to
use a certain statement, right,

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I'm sure everybody's heard of it.
What is it a what would you do

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for a widow's son? Or would
you help a widow son? Or whatever

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that phrase is. It's supposed to
be the you gotta help me because I'm

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one of you sort of inner trust
things. Right, So it's not necessarily

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that you're part of you know,
I Beta PI or whatever the hell,

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and now you're part of the worldwide
conspiracy. It's a matter of because these

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groups get together, and maybe they're
together at the Ivy League places, and

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00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:37.280
maybe they're together because of politics and
so on and so forth, and it

408
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:40.639
so happens that you're in an inner
brotherhood now with somebody who did rise to

409
00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:45.920
become the president, did rise to
become the secretary of State, did rise

410
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:50.199
to become the senator, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Therefore,

411
00:39:50.320 --> 00:39:54.440
that interconnectivity leads to stuff like this. So, you know, have

412
00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:58.960
you ever been part of a brotherhood
an inner circle, a specialized group of

413
00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:07.440
any kind. Jimmy, Uh,
no comment. Yeah, that usually means

414
00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:14.079
yeah, that usually means either you
have it or you're smartest. I heard.

415
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:19.280
I just heard what you just said, and I would concur with that.

416
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:22.079
I agree. I don't know what
the hell that people at the very

417
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:27.280
top are doing of anything. No, And and there you go. You

418
00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:30.159
know, look, we talk all
the time about billionaires. How many of

419
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:36.000
us know a billionaire? Though?
Really, you know, I mean we

420
00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:39.159
know one guy that kind of knows
billionaires. Actually you, you and me

421
00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:44.880
are and believe it or not,
but we don't know them directly. We

422
00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:51.119
don't know billionaires, you know.
Uh, they have sort of a protected

423
00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:54.320
circle around them, and so do
people with political power. How many people

424
00:40:54.400 --> 00:41:00.639
do you know are in high political
offices? Yeah, you know? And

425
00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:02.280
then okay, so go to your
extended people. How many people do you

426
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:07.800
know that? No, people in
high political offices? Yeah. Yeah,

427
00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:13.079
it's it's another world. It's there's
it's a world of party. There are

428
00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:16.239
I mean, there's special interest groups, there's little clubs, and there's people

429
00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:22.079
with outsized influence over government. To
be sure, and yeah, it's just

430
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:25.000
a matter of semantics, like well, what are we calling this. They're

431
00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:31.119
the elite, They're they're the power
brokers. Is this conspiracy? Is it

432
00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:36.119
not? Is it not a conspiracy? It's a fraternal group that they have

433
00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:40.800
because they do know each other and
they do kind of like have some shared

434
00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:45.119
interest in their shared interest being they
want to maintain everything that they have,

435
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:53.400
which is ownership of all of the
real assets in our country held by a

436
00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:59.000
tiny fraction of the population being them. So of course they're going to look

437
00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:02.639
out for each other or to the
extent that they are in that peer group,

438
00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:09.519
right, So I don't know,
wouldn't you almost consider that a group

439
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:14.639
of rogues? Then? I mean, if the top two guys are saying,

440
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:19.719
you know what we do, we
want and we're going to help out

441
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:24.880
our bodies in group be too because
they do what they want and we all

442
00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:30.840
do what we want. What about
that hole, Well, yeah, you're

443
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:35.360
saying rogue, but like it's the
establishment because they have the influence over the

444
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:38.719
political superstructure. So it's like what
do we call it? Do we call

445
00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:43.679
it rogue or we just call it
like the power structure. It's like it's

446
00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:47.440
what's in charge? What's in charge? Are the ones that own everything right,

447
00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:52.320
I mean, can can we not
all agree on that? And and

448
00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:57.960
it just comes down to again the
stupid semantic argument of whether we are allowed

449
00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:01.719
to call this a conspiracy or not, which is quite frankly stupid. It

450
00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:05.800
doesn't who cares what we call it? Like, we all see it.

451
00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:08.440
And then this article cites like,
well, maybe this has something to do

452
00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:12.320
with trunk coming power, Like,
yeah, I think it probably does,

453
00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:19.119
because everybody sees, uh not,
everything skewed against them. So anything that

454
00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:22.159
pops up as an alternative is going
to look good on its face if you

455
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:27.599
can convince people. But I think
we have to recognize the difference between a

456
00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:36.639
willful conspiracy and simply the circumstances that
are that simply exist and create these things

457
00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:42.320
as they go as natural course because
of the inertia of the order of things.

458
00:43:42.760 --> 00:43:45.280
You know, there is a difference
there when there is a willful conspiracy

459
00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:52.480
to accomplish something and then there's just
you know, a collection of realities that

460
00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:57.719
form together to create a certainty in
a circumstance. Those are two different things,

461
00:43:58.639 --> 00:44:00.440
you know what I mean, one
has the various purposes, the other

462
00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:06.760
one is really just business as usual
that you don't necessarily recognize because you're not

463
00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:12.000
part of the club, you know. And there's kind of a convoluted way

464
00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:15.320
that people have mix these things together
in you know, conspiracy culture, in

465
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:20.679
old media and whatever else where.
They mix these things together and they don't

466
00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:24.440
recognize the separation between the two things. There is the system behaving all by

467
00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:29.000
itself as a creature on its own
because of the circumstances that are in place,

468
00:44:29.880 --> 00:44:34.800
and then there's other people that seek
to manipulate things directly, willfully and

469
00:44:34.920 --> 00:44:38.840
with nefarious purposes. And these are
separated. Even though they may compliment each

470
00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:45.360
other, they are separate occurrences.
Wouldn't you say so, Aaron? Yeah,

471
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:50.079
I suppose I would. There is
a distinction, But there's also an

472
00:44:50.119 --> 00:44:54.280
interplay, to be sure on it. And I mean, what do you

473
00:44:54.400 --> 00:45:01.039
call it? When somebody, like
an individual is able to their influence over

474
00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:07.920
the federal government and they can they
can do it with their power, which

475
00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:14.880
is their money. They can do
that. And if you get these political

476
00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:19.000
action committees, it's just like a
bunch of money being dumped into what what

477
00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:22.400
is the political action? What action
are we taking? Like is that a

478
00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:29.599
conspiracy is a political action committee?
A conspiracy and a group of conspirators that

479
00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:32.679
want to change the nation in okay, you know, name the pack and

480
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:37.079
whatever their mission is is, you
know, that's what they're doing. Well

481
00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:40.320
in a technical sense for people conspiring
to do something. Sure, But conspiracy

482
00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:45.639
in and of itself is not nefarious. It's when it's a criminal conspiracy.

483
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:47.800
It's when it's a nefarious conspiracy.
See, there needs to be an addition

484
00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:52.920
here are people conspiring? Are they
choosing to breathe together and function together in

485
00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:58.239
order to accomplish a goal. Yeah, that's human nature and occurs on a

486
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:06.159
daily basis. But conspiracy in and
of itself is it always nefarious? No?

487
00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:10.280
The Political Action Committee is obviously a
group of people getting together and consolidating

488
00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:15.199
their resources, pulling things together in
order to accomplish an action. Of course,

489
00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:19.760
those actions may not be exactly what
it is they represent them to be,

490
00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:23.760
et cetera. But nonetheless that's a
legal thing. It's not a nefarious

491
00:46:23.840 --> 00:46:30.519
thing in and of itself. Right
or wrong? Yeah, I suppose though,

492
00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:34.480
Yeah, yeah, you're right.
You know, so you gotta step

493
00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:38.039
back a little bit. And everything
that is a collective effort is not necessarily

494
00:46:38.199 --> 00:46:45.760
evil unless it's you know, unless
it's results in damage terrible things, undo

495
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:52.719
influence, undoe damage, undo manipulation
of a situation where people have leveraged things

496
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:59.199
well beyond what should be given the
confines of what is legal, what is

497
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:05.719
acceptable is right. Sure, So
philosophically, I'm just saying you have to

498
00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:09.639
sift through these things and sort of
make some distinctions. Indeed, there are

499
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:14.679
complementary and things that work together.
But on the other hand, there are

500
00:47:14.760 --> 00:47:17.519
things that just are because they are. They're not necessarily good or evil.

501
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:22.039
You know, why does the snake
bite you because it's evil. No,

502
00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:27.559
it's doing it generally out of self
defense. And if it's got venom,

503
00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:30.760
it uses that because that's what nature
gave it. It's not sitting there going

504
00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:34.760
I need to kill and I'm going
to twist a mustache if I had one

505
00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:37.320
and I had fingers to twist it
with. It's just there to do its

506
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:44.000
job. Yeah, well, I
mean, yeah, it's I mean,

507
00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:49.239
there's even a question of if you're
talking about just strictly fraternity, it's just

508
00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:53.760
groupings of people getting together self interest. They're just doing business whatever. They're

509
00:47:53.800 --> 00:48:00.440
not trying to commit a crime.
They're just self interested and by the way,

510
00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:04.920
I would go about maybe another ten
minutes maximum, so you don't eat

511
00:48:04.960 --> 00:48:07.440
an uncle's time. Oh yeah,
no, no, I'm not going to

512
00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:10.320
do that. I think I'm already
sick of hearing myself talk. So this

513
00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:19.000
will be over soon enough, so
that this will end soon. I'm not

514
00:48:19.079 --> 00:48:22.679
sure if the same can be said
for everything else. And you know,

515
00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:27.639
for the country that we live in, maybe it might end soon, it

516
00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:32.639
might not. It might be on
purpose, it might not. It's certainly

517
00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:43.360
I don't know that there are there
are groups out there who do want to

518
00:48:43.480 --> 00:48:49.320
rest outsized influence over our nation,
and they want to do it under the

519
00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:52.880
cloak of doing this good or that
good, or they're doing it for God,

520
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:57.840
or they're doing it for freedom,
they're doing it for Maybe they're doing

521
00:48:57.880 --> 00:49:00.760
it for freedom. Maybe they're doing
it for democracy. Maybe they're doing it

522
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:04.079
for the Constitution. Maybe they're doing
it for the founding Fathers. Maybe they're

523
00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:08.199
doing it for Jesus. Maybe they're
doing it for Muhammad, maybe they're doing

524
00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:14.840
it for I don't know what.
Everybody's got something that they're doing, and

525
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:17.880
it's the country is going to be
so much better when they're in control and

526
00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:22.239
they're going to be doing it.
They're going to make things better by force.

527
00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:28.320
I've seen that seems to be real
popular thing these days. We're going

528
00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:34.199
to force this or that one way
or another, and it's gonna all this

529
00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:39.320
force and all this strength and all
this reverting back to what this country is

530
00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:45.280
always meant to be is going to
bring freedom, and then the constitution will

531
00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:53.239
be finally operating the way that the
founders intended by uh ah, by our

532
00:49:53.440 --> 00:50:00.599
decree essentially. And there's all sorts
of different little brands of authoritarianism that we

533
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:06.239
could decide to take on. And
I don't know, yeah, I don't

534
00:50:06.239 --> 00:50:10.960
know whether to call any of those
efforts a conspiracy or just playing. We've

535
00:50:12.039 --> 00:50:15.920
gone off the rails and we've been
dumbed down to such a degree that any

536
00:50:16.039 --> 00:50:22.119
bad idea that pops up will just
latch onto because we're just desperate at this

537
00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:24.119
point. And one of the great
points of agreement, even for Jimmy,

538
00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:27.760
who's still on the line, I
guarantee you, is that, yeah,

539
00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:32.079
things have kind of gone off the
rails. You know. This is one

540
00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:37.239
thing, like you notice that there
is the common ground is okay, Look,

541
00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:39.039
I disagree this. This is the
people to blame. This is what's

542
00:50:39.079 --> 00:50:43.880
wrong. This is what's actually okay. But here's the problem. Are things

543
00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:46.960
messed up or not right? Real
simple? And you know what, you

544
00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:50.960
can agree with him on that.
Absolutely. It's like, no, things

545
00:50:51.039 --> 00:50:54.480
are not as they should be.
We can do better, you know what

546
00:50:54.559 --> 00:51:00.320
I mean? These two things I
think are the universal points of agreement are

547
00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:04.199
not as they should be, and
we can do better. I don't know,

548
00:51:04.280 --> 00:51:07.280
maybe it's just me, yeah,
And I think it is a problem

549
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:10.039
when we do start like pointing the
fingers and like making enemies and like this

550
00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:15.000
person is causing all the problems in
this country. We just if we wrap

551
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:17.679
them out and if maybe if we
throw them in jail, like that'll fix

552
00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:22.760
everything. So that is something we
have to watch out for. And maybe

553
00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:27.880
like saying like there's any sort of
conspiracy is sort of like jumping to that.

554
00:51:28.119 --> 00:51:30.679
And so we do have to keep
ourselves in check there that we're not

555
00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:37.880
going out like witch hunting everybody,
you know, whether or not how much

556
00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:43.760
we believe it's a just fight or
not. We have to maintain due process

557
00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:50.559
at least everywhere, but everybody seems
to be quite sick of that, and

558
00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:54.280
we want to institute firing squads for
whoever it is that they don't like.

559
00:51:55.159 --> 00:52:00.480
So, I don't know. Maybe
maybe it'll come to that, I hope.

560
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:07.360
If so, I want to be
able to not be around anybody.

561
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:10.440
If that's possible, it's probably not
so. I guess we're all just gonna

562
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:16.679
have to suffer if somebody decides to
go ahead with their particular plan of action

563
00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:22.239
to just make this country the shining
beacon that it was always meant to be.

564
00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:28.719
So we have Aaron Franz progressively working
his way to becoming the prepper,

565
00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:34.119
the man on the mountain out in
the desert there pretty soon with his you

566
00:52:34.199 --> 00:52:37.320
know, extremely long beard because you
won't buy a big razor anymore, and

567
00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:44.840
his survival food and his family all
out in the and he already built his

568
00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:49.519
electric fence around his compound. Don't
forget that. There you go, electric

569
00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:53.599
fence around the compound. And just
well, I mean back to the elite.

570
00:52:53.960 --> 00:52:58.599
They're the ones that are doing this. They're building their luxury bunkers in

571
00:52:59.440 --> 00:53:02.119
New zeal End or wherever else they
buy them. They're the ones that are

572
00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:06.480
doing this more than anybody else.
Well, because they have the money.

573
00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:12.360
They're the sending people that got no
problem defunding the police. Of course,

574
00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:15.760
that they got ten armed guards with
them all the time. Right whereas you

575
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:20.440
and me will be sitting there trying
to bury a nineteen sixty five bus in

576
00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:23.440
the sand somewhere. In order to
create an underground thing, these people will

577
00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:28.880
just buy the stuff they need and
have it dropped into the ground by contractors.

578
00:53:29.320 --> 00:53:31.639
Boom boom boom. They got an
underground facility all set for themselves.

579
00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:37.280
And that's just because they got a
little nervous when Obama got elected. I'm

580
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:45.199
telling you, it's just I mean, paranoia is Paranoia is universal, Like

581
00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:51.000
nobody is immune to it. Everybody
has succumbed to it. And so what

582
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:54.599
does that mean, Like if you're
not paranoid, you're not alive at this

583
00:53:54.760 --> 00:53:59.400
point. Right, Look, I'll
help you bury the bus in California,

584
00:53:59.480 --> 00:54:01.559
so long as there's three spots there
for my family and we can go.

585
00:54:02.039 --> 00:54:07.360
I'll help you burying the buses,
okay, cause you know I've seen those

586
00:54:07.400 --> 00:54:10.320
compat people don't talk about this on
the news or anything. People bury trucks

587
00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:15.960
and buses and stuff in order to
create I'm not kidding, in order to

588
00:54:15.039 --> 00:54:19.840
create these little underground things and then
they just add like some tube shoots to

589
00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:23.639
it and boom, you have a
structure underground, a tube underground, and

590
00:54:23.719 --> 00:54:28.639
it's a bus. It works great. You can drive it out there,

591
00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:30.199
so it's you know, easy to
transport. You know what I'm saying.

592
00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:35.039
This is the poor man's underground bunker. Okay, so now I know what

593
00:54:35.159 --> 00:54:38.239
All these large vehicles are being driven
out into the desert. For now,

594
00:54:38.320 --> 00:54:45.000
I understand that. Yep. Know
those ones, the ones are seeing driving

595
00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:50.119
the desert. People are living in
those ones. Yeah yeah, I mean,

596
00:54:50.159 --> 00:54:52.679
well there's many a broke down r
V that I see every trip out

597
00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:57.360
there, that's for sure. But
that's a different story. I'm telling you

598
00:54:57.400 --> 00:55:00.960
those nineteen six sets, those nineteens
here here, here's the here. The

599
00:55:01.119 --> 00:55:09.960
thing is cargo boxes. They're buying
those big metalers. Yeah yeah, yeah,

600
00:55:10.239 --> 00:55:14.719
I know. I was. I
was facilitating the sale of those shipping

601
00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:17.440
containers not too long ago here in
Georgia as one of my little side gigs.

602
00:55:17.480 --> 00:55:21.840
I know, I know all about
it. They're turning them into houses,

603
00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:24.880
and they're turning them into houses and
trailer parks right now, yep,

604
00:55:25.039 --> 00:55:29.599
because they will last a lot longer
than the trailers. That that people were

605
00:55:29.639 --> 00:55:31.480
getting, and they cost less,
way less. You can convert those into

606
00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:37.440
a little trailer basically. Yeah,
I know, you can make it quite

607
00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:42.800
chic too, if you have the
designer's eyes. Oh no, you can

608
00:55:42.840 --> 00:55:45.639
make it anything from stylish to completely
functional. And you live in a tin

609
00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:51.519
box. Baby, it's beautiful.
Uh yeah, yeah, pretty cool.

610
00:55:51.599 --> 00:55:53.599
These people put stairs on them and
everything they get stairs leading up. They

611
00:55:53.639 --> 00:55:57.079
put them up on blocks so they're
you know, raised up in case the

612
00:55:57.119 --> 00:56:00.679
flood comes all that. Yeah,
yeah, it's it's not quite Peter Teal

613
00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:04.840
level. Let's cut a mountain in
New Zealand in half and make a luxury

614
00:56:04.960 --> 00:56:07.039
mansion in the side of it.
But it's the next best. Yeah,

615
00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:09.400
it's bunker on a budget. I
mean, I'm just telling you, you

616
00:56:09.480 --> 00:56:12.719
know, like I said, if
you if you got the you got some

617
00:56:12.880 --> 00:56:15.559
land, so you know, you
get them buses going, I'll help you

618
00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:17.519
bury him, all right. I'm
just telling you. Chipping containers, I

619
00:56:17.559 --> 00:56:22.039
know where to get them, no
problem. Yeah, they do have an

620
00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:24.920
excess of them that they they there's
plenty of them to get rid of and

621
00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:28.719
so you know, yeah, those
didn't get caught up in the supply chain

622
00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:32.519
too. Bad. I can get
them, no problem. Cool, I

623
00:56:32.599 --> 00:56:37.320
might have to uh, I might
have to follow up on that. That'll

624
00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:42.280
be our conspiracy. We're already conspiring. See I told you this is true.

625
00:56:43.719 --> 00:56:45.199
Good all right? Anyway, Jimmy, well anyway, yeah, Jimmy,

626
00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:49.840
Jimmy, let's let's let's end this
thing here. This has to stop.

627
00:56:51.239 --> 00:56:53.599
We're going to end the show.
Jimmy, thank you for calling.

628
00:56:53.679 --> 00:57:00.519
Do you want to hang on for
the Uncle Show? Uh My, I

629
00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:05.199
heard that there's a guest on Uncle
and one's supposed to call in. That's

630
00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:07.719
right, that's right. Yeah,
I'm sorry, so I have to apologize.

631
00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:09.320
You can't. I will say though, if anybody wants to call in

632
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:13.679
using Skype, you can use Skype, so that will happen the next hour.

633
00:57:13.760 --> 00:57:17.840
You're right, My apologies sorry about
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634
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635
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637
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calling in. I'm gonna just put
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638
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Yeah in the platoon. Yeah?
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My name is Eron. I'm the
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We are on and we excellence have
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con Condrey Condrey the Ponzide Zone.
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Okay, here yourn he and oh
boy, Hi everyone, Nigel Saunders

677
01:02:32.800 --> 01:02:37.519
here, that's it. Yes,
it's great to have you man. You

678
01:02:37.679 --> 01:02:43.639
have a very exciting YouTube channel.
Yeah, then thank you for inviting me.

679
01:02:43.760 --> 01:02:47.599
It's an honor to be on your
show. Yeah. Uh. Uncle

680
01:02:47.880 --> 01:02:55.079
Nigel is a expert of sorts the
art of bone side bone. I'm very

681
01:02:55.360 --> 01:03:01.360
interesting in the punchize system. Uh
one now is to put it together.

682
01:03:02.119 --> 01:03:10.280
What I like to him is how
you get him to put on and try

683
01:03:10.440 --> 01:03:15.480
to put it together. And I
want side chick here to understand to listen

684
01:03:16.480 --> 01:03:22.119
to you to it. You want
to know how to put a bon site

685
01:03:22.159 --> 01:03:29.880
together or how it grows up and
how to get to put it sort of

686
01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:37.719
what's the first step in say,
it's the first step. Well, the

687
01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:40.719
first step you need to get a
tree. And there's a lot of different

688
01:03:40.760 --> 01:03:45.079
places you can get your tree from. You can grow them from seeds,

689
01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:51.760
you can snip a cutting off one
and root it. You can buy them

690
01:03:51.840 --> 01:03:55.480
from nursery stores and then make them
into BoNT sie, or you can dig

691
01:03:55.559 --> 01:04:00.400
them up from your garden or the
wild and make the tree into a bone.

692
01:04:00.519 --> 01:04:06.920
I also so bony is a it's
an art form of miniaturizing a tree.

693
01:04:08.679 --> 01:04:12.360
And they can grow in any size. You can have a bone side

694
01:04:12.400 --> 01:04:16.800
that's a couple of inches tall to
one that's three or four feet tall or

695
01:04:16.880 --> 01:04:21.800
even larger. So yeah, you
can get a tree from anywhere. And

696
01:04:21.920 --> 01:04:30.079
then the rest is just all techniques
to miniaturize them small trees. Uncle,

697
01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:34.840
it's just that simple. Yeah,
that's simple. That's simple to grow them

698
01:04:35.440 --> 01:04:42.039
and to just watch how they grow. Is might seem to be light because

699
01:04:42.599 --> 01:04:48.800
I soon don't like those because they
I can stand here in my speed and

700
01:04:49.119 --> 01:04:55.320
just watch it glow. That that's
only thinking on these sides, because that

701
01:04:55.519 --> 01:04:59.440
takes the patience is waiting for them
to grow, because you don't want to

702
01:04:59.480 --> 01:05:02.079
be clipping them all the time.
You've got to let them grow and then

703
01:05:02.119 --> 01:05:06.440
get healthy, and then you pun
them back. And you can do it

704
01:05:06.599 --> 01:05:14.159
for pretty well any kind of plant. I've seen people bone side marijuana plants

705
01:05:14.679 --> 01:05:20.320
and a fantastic looking tree. Yeah
that's nice. Yeah. Actually, Nigel,

706
01:05:20.480 --> 01:05:30.199
I first found you on YouTube because
I had a firestick succulent and my

707
01:05:30.400 --> 01:05:32.639
idea was yeah, yeah, I
was like, I want to bonce side

708
01:05:32.719 --> 01:05:35.719
this. I want to see if
anybody's done it and see what techniques they've

709
01:05:35.800 --> 01:05:40.920
done. So I type that in
fire stick succulent bone size and one of

710
01:05:40.960 --> 01:05:44.760
your videos popped up. I watched
it. Okay, do you remember that

711
01:05:44.840 --> 01:05:50.639
one? I do. It's one
of my It was one of my most

712
01:05:50.679 --> 01:06:00.360
hated trees. It did not respond
well to trimming, and I eventually it

713
01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:04.920
eventually died and I wasn't too sad
to lose it, actually, because it

714
01:06:05.119 --> 01:06:11.280
was very frustrating. Every time I
prune it, it would like instead of

715
01:06:11.360 --> 01:06:15.320
the branch subdividing and getting better looking, at it just got worse looking.

716
01:06:15.440 --> 01:06:20.079
And it was just a struggle.
And I if you leave them alone,

717
01:06:20.119 --> 01:06:24.239
they grow fantastic, but as soon
as you start pruning them, they start

718
01:06:25.239 --> 01:06:28.800
reacting funny, and I never had
any luck with it. And it could

719
01:06:28.840 --> 01:06:33.440
be the climate too. I'm up
here in Canada and it's very cold and

720
01:06:34.199 --> 01:06:41.320
we have very long winters, and
it's not an ideal environment for growing succulents.

721
01:06:42.159 --> 01:06:48.199
I believe that's it. I think
hit it because of the glow.

722
01:06:49.000 --> 01:06:55.760
You got to glow it in the
area. We have a few of them

723
01:06:56.159 --> 01:07:00.280
the ground here, so that's probably
you're lucky. Yeah. Yeah. The

724
01:07:00.360 --> 01:07:05.079
easiest trees to grow are, like
you're native trees to your area because you

725
01:07:05.159 --> 01:07:10.480
know it's the ideal climate for them. But you know you can't have all

726
01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:14.599
native trees. It's nice to dabble
in exotic trees from all over the world.

727
01:07:14.679 --> 01:07:17.239
That's what I try and do.
I have trees from I think every

728
01:07:17.519 --> 01:07:23.840
continent on the planet Earth, and
it's nice to have that kind of variety.

729
01:07:25.199 --> 01:07:30.199
I'm sort of, I guess half
a bonseye enthusiast and the other half

730
01:07:30.239 --> 01:07:34.440
of me is a tree collector.
I like collecting different species, and so

731
01:07:34.679 --> 01:07:41.880
I have about three hundred trees on
the go. Wow, and not all

732
01:07:41.960 --> 01:07:46.159
of them are like most of them
are like seedlings and stuff that are you

733
01:07:46.239 --> 01:07:51.599
know, three to five years old, but I have you know, I

734
01:07:51.760 --> 01:07:58.280
have a selection of ones that I
put in shows in that and they're slowly

735
01:07:58.400 --> 01:08:03.360
maturing. A bone side tends to
get with the proper carre, it can

736
01:08:03.400 --> 01:08:06.960
get better and better every year.
And there's not many things in life that

737
01:08:08.199 --> 01:08:13.639
do that. You think, when
you buy a car, it's it's in

738
01:08:13.760 --> 01:08:15.640
its best shape when you buy it
off the lot, and then it slowly

739
01:08:15.800 --> 01:08:25.279
degrades over the years. The other
thing that maybe wine increases in quality with

740
01:08:25.479 --> 01:08:29.920
time, or whiskey or something like
that, but not many other things in

741
01:08:30.039 --> 01:08:33.640
life get better and better the older
they get. So bonsie is one of

742
01:08:33.680 --> 01:08:38.399
those hobbies where you know, the
more you work on your trees and the

743
01:08:38.479 --> 01:08:42.439
older your trees get, the better
and better they can. Look. There,

744
01:08:42.479 --> 01:08:47.439
you go, that's what That's what
kind of keeps me fascinated with the

745
01:08:47.520 --> 01:08:51.640
hobby is that every year you see
the changes in your trees and they just

746
01:08:54.600 --> 01:08:58.640
you just sometimes you just stand back
and admire them and go, wow,

747
01:08:58.760 --> 01:09:02.920
it's really coming a long way from
when it started. That's what I do.

748
01:09:03.319 --> 01:09:06.479
I look at it like just like
you say, just like that,

749
01:09:06.720 --> 01:09:14.000
yeah, and just watch it.
That's what doesn't mean yeah. There's no

750
01:09:14.159 --> 01:09:16.640
point, you know, growing these
beautiful trees if you don't stop and admire

751
01:09:16.760 --> 01:09:19.479
them every now and then, is
there. Yeah? No, No,

752
01:09:20.520 --> 01:09:25.600
that's a very relaxing, meditative thing. Yeah, Nigel. What is the

753
01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:30.439
name of your YouTube channel, Nigel? Yes, Oh, my YouTube channel

754
01:09:30.560 --> 01:09:35.720
is called the Bone Size Zone and
I started it in twenty fourteen, so

755
01:09:35.840 --> 01:09:41.680
it is now. I'm now entering
my eleventh year on YouTube, which is

756
01:09:42.560 --> 01:09:45.560
gone by in a flash. It's
hard to believe. I've been a YouTuber

757
01:09:45.640 --> 01:09:51.720
for ten years and it started out
just I was the club president of our

758
01:09:51.760 --> 01:09:58.560
Bone Size Club and I thought people
might be interested in posting videos of their

759
01:09:58.640 --> 01:10:03.800
trees in that so I started a
channel for the club, and no one

760
01:10:03.880 --> 01:10:09.159
else except me made any videos,
so I decided I'd just make it my

761
01:10:09.279 --> 01:10:15.760
own channel. And the reason I
started it was there was very few channels

762
01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:20.800
on YouTube that showed the same tree
over and over, showing its progression over

763
01:10:20.880 --> 01:10:25.960
the years, and I wanted to
show, you know, taking something that

764
01:10:26.319 --> 01:10:30.079
doesn't look that good, and then
hopefully, you know, by the time

765
01:10:30.159 --> 01:10:34.319
I'm really old, that you'll be
able to trace this tree back from where

766
01:10:34.359 --> 01:10:40.479
it started to this magnificent tree in
the end, so you can see all

767
01:10:40.560 --> 01:10:45.119
the steps I took to get the
tree to where it was. And it's

768
01:10:45.359 --> 01:10:50.840
the designs to get to my opinion
on these trees or the designs how they

769
01:10:51.119 --> 01:10:58.800
grow and how they fit in the
ground and goog out of that right.

770
01:11:00.439 --> 01:11:09.359
For example, excuse me for the
example the movie one with the talking about

771
01:11:09.439 --> 01:11:15.920
karate, Well, yes, it
has that the gun greams a tree out

772
01:11:15.960 --> 01:11:20.079
of the wild, painting out,
put it in the bag, gives it

773
01:11:20.199 --> 01:11:26.199
to him, and the fellow that
makes him glows them, and and that

774
01:11:26.800 --> 01:11:33.720
that appeals to me. That movie
has gotten a lot of people interested in

775
01:11:33.840 --> 01:11:42.000
BONSI. That's what got me dot
the karate kids. Yeah got me,

776
01:11:42.560 --> 01:11:46.319
that's what That's what plew me to
that tree and that that's what got me

777
01:11:46.439 --> 01:11:50.560
started. And say, you know
what. Another weird thing is that that

778
01:11:50.680 --> 01:11:55.720
made it popular in the Northeast for
a little while, is that Howard Stern

779
01:11:56.079 --> 01:12:00.600
had some sort of Boneseye sponsor early
on when he was only on one radio

780
01:12:00.720 --> 01:12:04.560
station in New York. Oh really, yeah, I didn't know that.

781
01:12:05.239 --> 01:12:10.359
I didn't. I can't remember which
which one it was, Like the name

782
01:12:10.399 --> 01:12:13.399
of the sponsor eludes me right now. But like when I would say like

783
01:12:13.560 --> 01:12:15.920
thirteen or so. I remember that
he had a sponsor, and I'm going,

784
01:12:15.960 --> 01:12:20.760
what and the hell is a pone
side tree? Yeah? Like I

785
01:12:20.840 --> 01:12:25.840
had no idea, and uh like
that was where I first got introduced to

786
01:12:26.000 --> 01:12:28.359
it, and then I and then
I saw, like everybody else that Karate

787
01:12:28.520 --> 01:12:30.520
kid say, you know where meet
Miyagi tries to put his tree on the

788
01:12:30.560 --> 01:12:34.079
side of the mountain and the whole
you know storyline. You know, but

789
01:12:35.680 --> 01:12:40.279
yeah, I mean, you know, yeah, so good. I have

790
01:12:40.359 --> 01:12:44.840
a lot of trees that I you
know, I groll them in my front

791
01:12:44.920 --> 01:12:48.439
garden when they're starting from seeds,
and then like ten years later, you

792
01:12:48.560 --> 01:12:54.840
dig them up and you start working
on them more and more, and eventually

793
01:12:54.960 --> 01:12:59.760
they turn into really cool trees and
you can style them any way you want.

794
01:12:59.840 --> 01:13:02.000
You can have a you know,
a tree that looks like it's been

795
01:13:02.199 --> 01:13:08.560
growing in the mountains and it's had
avalanches falling on it and the wind blowing

796
01:13:08.680 --> 01:13:12.199
it, and or you can have
a very peaceful tree, like one that

797
01:13:12.279 --> 01:13:15.840
would grow in the middle of a
field, where you can create forests and

798
01:13:16.079 --> 01:13:23.000
landscapes. It's it's you can use
a lot of imagination when you shape and

799
01:13:23.079 --> 01:13:27.720
grow your trees and forests. It's
a kind of a cool hobby. I

800
01:13:27.840 --> 01:13:32.000
think we have something you can do
until you become very very old. Like

801
01:13:32.439 --> 01:13:35.720
you know, there's people in their
nineties that are still active in the hobby

802
01:13:36.880 --> 01:13:43.920
and they can take care of their
trees. What we're thinking you're doing in

803
01:13:44.079 --> 01:13:48.199
the fun area, I think we're
to try to put one or two of

804
01:13:48.319 --> 01:13:54.880
those in the front area. Busie
in the front area, not not by

805
01:13:55.119 --> 01:13:58.439
with not by where they're not allowed
to have them. I mean, I

806
01:13:58.600 --> 01:14:02.039
mean back back in the front area. Well, I like to put some

807
01:14:02.239 --> 01:14:09.119
of those into that spot that you
were told and mixing. Yeah, there's

808
01:14:09.159 --> 01:14:12.720
some Actually, if we pull some
plants out of our yard, there's a

809
01:14:12.800 --> 01:14:15.720
couple that have been growing to have
a nice thick base that I could actually

810
01:14:16.039 --> 01:14:19.159
turn into a bunk side by pulling
them out of the landscape. Yeah.

811
01:14:19.199 --> 01:14:23.319
Well, if you I'm kind of
exit about that. I did to do

812
01:14:23.520 --> 01:14:27.960
that, and just to have them
to sit there. We can build it

813
01:14:28.119 --> 01:14:31.600
up and you just put one or
two there, set it up there like

814
01:14:31.720 --> 01:14:35.680
that that way, because I'm sitting
in the front line and I can watch

815
01:14:35.840 --> 01:14:42.079
these trees and that'd be a surprise
for me to list watch it. I

816
01:14:42.239 --> 01:14:46.880
know what you guys in. We're
in southern California, California, Okay,

817
01:14:47.000 --> 01:14:50.760
okay, yeah, yeah, that's
that's why we had. Yeah, we

818
01:14:50.840 --> 01:14:54.640
had to luck with the firestick,
like I was saying. And in fact,

819
01:14:56.319 --> 01:14:59.399
I'll gloat a little. I think
I've come up with a pretty cool

820
01:14:59.479 --> 01:15:02.640
technique to bone side the fire stick
that I've been working on. Yeah,

821
01:15:02.640 --> 01:15:04.920
I've been working on it for a
few years. I'm kind of proud of

822
01:15:05.000 --> 01:15:09.359
it. Cool. So one of
these days off to I haven't really shown

823
01:15:09.359 --> 01:15:12.000
any pictures online, but one of
these days I'm going to. I want

824
01:15:12.079 --> 01:15:14.760
to get to like a real nice
state. I can check what out I

825
01:15:14.800 --> 01:15:17.239
want to be. Uh. I'll
be proud of it, and and we'll

826
01:15:17.319 --> 01:15:20.840
just share a picture. Someday.
I'd like to look at them. I

827
01:15:20.920 --> 01:15:26.039
will. Maybe they'll inspire me to
try again. I still have one on

828
01:15:26.159 --> 01:15:30.840
the go. I haven't totally given
up on them. I still have one

829
01:15:30.960 --> 01:15:35.039
growing. But yeah. So one
of the easiest trees to work with is

830
01:15:35.159 --> 01:15:40.199
like a fcus or something. You
can buy them in the grocery stores and

831
01:15:40.760 --> 01:15:45.520
they're inexpensive and they can grow indoors. They like to be outdoors in the

832
01:15:45.640 --> 01:15:50.439
summer and the warmer weather. But
they're they're a very easy tree to grow

833
01:15:50.560 --> 01:15:56.800
and hard to kill, so good
for beginners. Yeah, but there,

834
01:15:56.960 --> 01:16:02.039
there you go. There's what you
got to do, the teaching something.

835
01:16:03.960 --> 01:16:11.399
Yeah, you like that. It's
funny. In my YouTube channel, I

836
01:16:11.520 --> 01:16:16.760
have a lot of subscribers, and
most of the time it's just me working

837
01:16:16.840 --> 01:16:24.600
away in my backyard with the camera
talking to myself, and it's and I'm

838
01:16:24.680 --> 01:16:31.359
not really I'm not aware of the
audience other than seeing a number of you

839
01:16:31.439 --> 01:16:35.720
know, viewers on your videos.
And it wasn't until I went to the

840
01:16:38.079 --> 01:16:44.520
US National bone S I showed this
summer that I realized how many people knew

841
01:16:44.600 --> 01:16:48.680
me. It was really bizarre.
Uh. We were pulling up to the

842
01:16:49.359 --> 01:16:54.279
venue and there's like this big lineup
of people trying to get into the show,

843
01:16:54.960 --> 01:16:59.239
and there's like people pointing at me, And then we went to the

844
01:16:59.319 --> 01:17:02.359
back of the law and then all
these people were coming getting pictures with me

845
01:17:02.640 --> 01:17:10.520
and talking to me, And it
was really strange because I'm I'm not used

846
01:17:10.520 --> 01:17:15.520
to sort of being I don't like
to use the word famous, but well

847
01:17:15.640 --> 01:17:19.640
known. I guess it was quite
a surprise for me because I'm not exposed

848
01:17:19.720 --> 01:17:28.640
to that, so you'll be surprise. You'll be surprised when you start putting

849
01:17:28.760 --> 01:17:33.119
something on the YouTube thing like you're
doing. I mean, they'll come to

850
01:17:33.399 --> 01:17:38.840
you. You don't have to go
to them now, they'll come to you.

851
01:17:39.199 --> 01:17:45.079
I see something like that, people
interested. I had a very famous

852
01:17:45.199 --> 01:17:49.199
person, Peter Chan from the United
Kingdom, who visited me this summer in

853
01:17:49.279 --> 01:17:56.119
my backyard. And when I got
into Bonside like thirty two years ago,

854
01:17:56.359 --> 01:18:00.439
one of the first books I bought
was by Peter Chan, and to have

855
01:18:00.680 --> 01:18:05.720
him actually standing on my backyard was
just absolutely surreal. It was like an

856
01:18:05.840 --> 01:18:11.560
honor and it was just I couldn't
believe that Peter Chan was in my backyard

857
01:18:11.760 --> 01:18:17.199
like someone. He's published like twelve
books on the subject, and he's world

858
01:18:17.319 --> 01:18:21.880
famous, and it was just amazing
that he I got to meet him.

859
01:18:23.560 --> 01:18:27.119
Yeah, that's pretty exciting. I'd
say that your story is definitely one of

860
01:18:27.199 --> 01:18:35.079
those shining examples of look. YouTube
and the internet with its ability for people

861
01:18:35.159 --> 01:18:41.319
to just share whatever creative outlet they
have with other people. Is this exciting

862
01:18:41.479 --> 01:18:47.439
opportunity now right? It connects you
with a lot of people. Now,

863
01:18:47.520 --> 01:18:55.960
there is a downside to YouTube.
I meant there's a certain percentage of negative

864
01:18:56.079 --> 01:19:05.119
comments that you might get like that, you get the odd person who's non

865
01:19:05.199 --> 01:19:12.279
interesting. Maybe not maybe you're not
the most stable person in the world.

866
01:19:12.439 --> 01:19:17.359
Sometimes they're but anyway, but I
would say ninety nine percent of you know,

867
01:19:17.520 --> 01:19:23.880
YouTube is very positive and it's I
enjoy it. I think you have

868
01:19:24.039 --> 01:19:30.279
to enjoy both bones eye and making
videos because you know, half the work

869
01:19:30.359 --> 01:19:36.680
of YouTube is video editing and filming, and and if you don't like the

870
01:19:36.800 --> 01:19:41.880
process of making videos, you're not
going to last long on YouTube. You

871
01:19:42.000 --> 01:19:45.600
have to. Yeah, now kind
of half and half. Had you done

872
01:19:45.720 --> 01:19:49.279
any editing before this, Nigel,
or do you start because of the channel?

873
01:19:49.279 --> 01:19:55.079
I assume right, Yeah, I
started editing because of the channel.

874
01:19:56.920 --> 01:20:01.119
I've done some like when I was
young, my favorite thing to do is

875
01:20:01.199 --> 01:20:06.439
build models and then film them with
a Super eight camera, like doing special

876
01:20:06.479 --> 01:20:11.760
effects and stuff. And so I
had, you know, a little bit

877
01:20:11.800 --> 01:20:15.039
of video or not video experience,
but filming experience, but not a lot.

878
01:20:15.159 --> 01:20:18.039
So it was all new to me
when I started my YouTube channel,

879
01:20:18.840 --> 01:20:26.239
and I think I'm still learning.
I don't think you ever stop. And

880
01:20:28.039 --> 01:20:35.920
it's always YouTube is a there's always
it's getting the content out versus the quality.

881
01:20:36.079 --> 01:20:41.239
Like if you wanted to make like
a movie quality video, it would

882
01:20:41.239 --> 01:20:46.079
probably take you two weeks to make
one ten minute video of like every shots

883
01:20:46.119 --> 01:20:55.039
beautiful and planned out. So you've
got to balance, you know, getting

884
01:20:55.079 --> 01:20:59.720
the work done and the videos out
there versus the quality. And somewhere in

885
01:20:59.800 --> 01:21:03.279
there is a nice balance where the
quality is you know, pleasing to watch

886
01:21:04.520 --> 01:21:11.520
and you know, not too boring
and not too fast paced. And I

887
01:21:11.680 --> 01:21:16.760
try and and I try not on
my channel. I try not to preach

888
01:21:17.000 --> 01:21:21.720
like some people start a video and
say, this is how you prune a

889
01:21:21.760 --> 01:21:28.479
fcus. And my approach is just
here's how I'm going to prune the fcus,

890
01:21:28.720 --> 01:21:31.479
and you can watch me prune it. And if I have any useful

891
01:21:31.520 --> 01:21:38.079
tips, I'll include them. But
I'm not the authority on pruning a fycus.

892
01:21:38.159 --> 01:21:43.600
You know, I don't try and
be the person who has all the

893
01:21:43.720 --> 01:21:48.279
answers, because you know, I'm
learning to even after thirty years, I'm

894
01:21:48.359 --> 01:21:57.479
still learning the bones eye and and
yeah. So that's my approach. And

895
01:21:58.319 --> 01:22:01.560
I always try and all my trees, I try and show pictures of the

896
01:22:01.680 --> 01:22:08.399
same species of tree in nature or
in parks or wherever, and I try

897
01:22:08.479 --> 01:22:15.800
and make my bolts eye representative representative
of that species of trees. So I

898
01:22:15.920 --> 01:22:19.000
want my maple trees looking like maple
trees and nature, and I want my

899
01:22:19.119 --> 01:22:23.600
pine trees to look like pine trees
in nature. And you know, so

900
01:22:23.760 --> 01:22:28.840
I try and show photos of the
tree in its natural setting and then showing

901
01:22:28.960 --> 01:22:32.920
what my goal is for my little
miniature version of that tree. Got it

902
01:22:33.800 --> 01:22:39.319
now? Back? I know?
With the editing thing, do you do

903
01:22:39.399 --> 01:22:45.479
you with video editing and even maybe
with YouTube in the particulars of YouTube,

904
01:22:45.479 --> 01:22:50.920
do you see any parallels between that
and the process that is bon saill like

905
01:22:51.039 --> 01:22:55.319
making a bon side tree? Is
there any similarities to like the process of

906
01:22:55.560 --> 01:23:01.399
editing or or maybe engaging with the
audience or anything like that. Yeah,

907
01:23:01.520 --> 01:23:09.279
it's it's always a balance. Like
some people say this video is too long,

908
01:23:09.359 --> 01:23:11.600
and then the next person will say, oh, it's too short.

909
01:23:13.239 --> 01:23:16.800
You get some people who like the
long form content, and then you get

910
01:23:16.840 --> 01:23:21.520
other people who want to watch like
a three minute video on the before and

911
01:23:21.680 --> 01:23:27.560
after they don't care about what you're
doing. And somewhere in there again there's

912
01:23:27.600 --> 01:23:30.439
a balance. So I make some
videos longer and more detailed than some videos

913
01:23:30.479 --> 01:23:35.920
are shorter, and I don't necessarily
do it for the audience. It's it's

914
01:23:36.000 --> 01:23:45.039
for my sanity that I I hate
doing the same thing over and over,

915
01:23:45.960 --> 01:23:49.079
and I think most people do.
It gets repetitious. So you start to

916
01:23:49.159 --> 01:23:54.800
look for how can I make this
video in a new way. I want

917
01:23:54.840 --> 01:23:59.800
to get different camera angles, or
I want to get out in nature and

918
01:24:00.039 --> 01:24:02.479
so the trees me walking around them
or something like that. You know,

919
01:24:03.359 --> 01:24:09.079
I hate to get into a formula
where you're doing the same thing over and

920
01:24:09.159 --> 01:24:15.600
over it because it would drive you
crazy. It just becomes like a job

921
01:24:15.800 --> 01:24:18.880
then, and I would hate to
do that. I've never thought of YouTube

922
01:24:18.920 --> 01:24:25.960
as a job. And you know, if it starts to become feeling like

923
01:24:26.039 --> 01:24:30.680
a job, then you just take
some time off. And after about three

924
01:24:30.760 --> 01:24:36.399
or four days, you realize that
this urge to make a video starts building

925
01:24:36.520 --> 01:24:43.319
up in you and it just I
don't know what it is, but it's

926
01:24:43.399 --> 01:24:47.359
like photographers, they have to go
out and photograph things, and you know,

927
01:24:47.520 --> 01:24:53.119
maybe you guys, you there's this
something in you that says, let's

928
01:24:53.159 --> 01:24:58.520
go talk to someone and find out
what they're like. And it's something that's

929
01:24:58.720 --> 01:25:02.399
just part of your nature. I
guess is that. I just feel like

930
01:25:04.079 --> 01:25:10.439
maybe it's because I've been doing YouTube
for so long it's become like a part

931
01:25:10.479 --> 01:25:14.760
of my lifestyle. Like I don't
think I could prune a tree without talking

932
01:25:14.840 --> 01:25:18.920
about what I'm doing, and that
I've never tried to prune a tree in

933
01:25:19.039 --> 01:25:25.000
silence and not video, and I
haven't done that for Yeah, it sounds

934
01:25:25.039 --> 01:25:30.079
like broadcasting, right. Oh no, that that's what you're doing is a

935
01:25:30.199 --> 01:25:34.399
pump the thing you're doing talking about
it because some people, like you say,

936
01:25:34.720 --> 01:25:40.319
don't even know how to do it. I mean it has that ken

937
01:25:40.600 --> 01:25:45.359
is something to watch. That's why
I'm thinking about that's my tuful. That's

938
01:25:45.439 --> 01:25:54.079
helpful having somebody to understand, well, he's actually doing something about a pond

939
01:25:55.840 --> 01:26:01.359
pond's eye and somebody, well I
like to listen. Yeah, and I

940
01:26:01.520 --> 01:26:06.239
find most other Bone size channels they
show you pruning the tree, but they

941
01:26:06.319 --> 01:26:13.079
don't explain what their goal is for
the tree, what their intended style is,

942
01:26:13.199 --> 01:26:15.640
and why they're doing this pruning.
They kind of miss that step.

943
01:26:16.279 --> 01:26:20.479
They kind of just show you pruning
the tree and they don't explain, you

944
01:26:20.560 --> 01:26:24.840
know, why they're pruning that branch
off or why they're shaping it like this,

945
01:26:25.159 --> 01:26:31.319
and I think that's important is to
have goals in mind when you're growing

946
01:26:31.359 --> 01:26:34.920
your trees. Yeah. I mean
that's so much a bone size, Like

947
01:26:35.039 --> 01:26:42.199
that internal dialogue you're having with your
self and again that meditation and that reflection

948
01:26:42.600 --> 01:26:46.479
and you're just kind of I guess
you're doing that and filming it and I

949
01:26:46.560 --> 01:26:49.960
guess, yeah, that's the That's
what sets you apart, is like the

950
01:26:50.640 --> 01:26:56.960
more full version of what bone sye
is is what you're attempting to do.

951
01:26:57.920 --> 01:27:02.760
Like, there's two different kind of
people in bonsi. One that look at

952
01:27:02.800 --> 01:27:09.640
bonsai as a product, like to
get an end product, and then there's

953
01:27:09.640 --> 01:27:14.880
the other type of person who engrows, who enjoys the process of growing your

954
01:27:15.000 --> 01:27:19.000
tree. And I enjoy the process
of bonesie. That's why I have seedlings

955
01:27:19.079 --> 01:27:25.479
and I go everything kind of from
scratch because I enjoy that process watching something

956
01:27:25.600 --> 01:27:33.920
go from something insignificant to eventually immature
tree. Yeah. And I don't think

957
01:27:34.000 --> 01:27:38.199
of it as you know, my
goal is to get the tree to look

958
01:27:38.279 --> 01:27:42.279
like this in ten years or anything
like that. I just I try and

959
01:27:42.399 --> 01:27:47.039
do what's best for the quality of
the tree and just enjoy every day working

960
01:27:47.079 --> 01:27:50.760
on your trees and stuff. And
if in the end you get a really

961
01:27:50.920 --> 01:27:57.119
cool looking tree, that's your bonus. That's just a bonus. You've got

962
01:27:57.159 --> 01:28:02.760
to enjoy the doing it, not
just the end result. They're never finished.

963
01:28:04.000 --> 01:28:09.560
They're never finished. Like you can
work on a tree for forty years

964
01:28:09.600 --> 01:28:13.079
and then someone when you die,
someone else will take it over and maybe

965
01:28:13.159 --> 01:28:16.600
grow it for another forty years,
and and they're always changing. It's like

966
01:28:17.520 --> 01:28:24.319
a painting that you never finish.
It's something you work on your whole life.

967
01:28:24.399 --> 01:28:29.680
And yeah, it's it is a
piece of it's a it's a piece

968
01:28:29.720 --> 01:28:31.279
of art. But it's also a
life form. You have to remember that

969
01:28:31.600 --> 01:28:36.000
that too, that's yeah, and
it's a growing life form. It's like

970
01:28:36.159 --> 01:28:43.119
you can't the trees never stay the
same. Like even if you grow what

971
01:28:43.279 --> 01:28:46.199
you think is like the perfect tree, it's not going to stay the perfect

972
01:28:46.239 --> 01:28:48.960
tree. It's going to go out
of shape and out of proportion. And

973
01:28:49.880 --> 01:28:56.039
so you have to trim the challenge. Yeah, that you gotta trim them.

974
01:28:56.560 --> 01:29:01.119
I agree that you have to trim
them to get him, well you

975
01:29:01.239 --> 01:29:04.039
want him. You saw that video
of Nigel doing that, the trimming.

976
01:29:04.119 --> 01:29:06.119
He's doing all the pointing, right, Uncle, that Yeah, that was

977
01:29:06.119 --> 01:29:10.960
a cool video. Yeah, that
was a nice video. I'm watching just

978
01:29:11.359 --> 01:29:15.399
trimming it away that. Yeah,
you're the roots and the top of the

979
01:29:15.520 --> 01:29:21.439
tree and yeah, and you're always
looking at the style and and you have

980
01:29:21.560 --> 01:29:26.119
to do it at the right time
and the right when the tree is healthy

981
01:29:26.239 --> 01:29:30.239
and growing. And you know,
there's there's a lot of factors. I

982
01:29:30.399 --> 01:29:33.279
tell people, you know, the
first five years of bone siye, you're

983
01:29:33.319 --> 01:29:36.960
not really training the trees. You're
training yourself to take care of the trees.

984
01:29:38.199 --> 01:29:42.239
Because there's a steep learning curve when
you first get into it. You're

985
01:29:42.279 --> 01:29:47.159
going to probably kill a lot of
trees at first because you just you're just

986
01:29:47.279 --> 01:29:50.800
not aware of what kind of care
they take and what it takes to keep

987
01:29:50.840 --> 01:29:57.479
them alive and healthy. That's exactly
my point. Yeah, especially like I

988
01:29:57.560 --> 01:30:01.760
mean, you're it's not a completely
unnatural thing you're doing, but you're definitely

989
01:30:03.000 --> 01:30:06.439
you know, where a tree in
nature is growing in the ground, where

990
01:30:06.439 --> 01:30:12.359
it has this unlimited amount of well, I mean, you know, relatively

991
01:30:12.479 --> 01:30:17.399
unlimited amount of dirt underneath it.
This isn't the definition of bone size something

992
01:30:17.520 --> 01:30:20.880
like planting in a shallow pot?
Is that the definition? Am I right?

993
01:30:21.239 --> 01:30:29.720
Yeah? It's basically a tray planting. It doesn't specify what kind of

994
01:30:29.920 --> 01:30:32.640
plant, it doesn't specify what the
tray looks like. It's a very general

995
01:30:32.800 --> 01:30:41.399
term, and it's a Japanese term. I think that Chinese word is pensi,

996
01:30:42.039 --> 01:30:46.600
which means the same thing. So
it originated in China, and then

997
01:30:46.680 --> 01:30:55.359
the Japanese adopted it, and they
kind of developed their own style, and

998
01:30:55.520 --> 01:30:59.000
the Chinese have their own style,
and now it's spreading all over the world.

999
01:30:59.119 --> 01:31:02.960
And I hoping that, you know, we get a style of North

1000
01:31:03.000 --> 01:31:08.760
America, which I think is developing. You get North American trees, north

1001
01:31:08.800 --> 01:31:13.600
American potters, and you get you
know, displays in that when they're at

1002
01:31:13.680 --> 01:31:16.800
shows, like when I went to
the US National Bone Size Show, you

1003
01:31:16.920 --> 01:31:24.439
see displays in that that you wouldn't
see in Japan. But we're very interesting

1004
01:31:24.600 --> 01:31:31.119
and very North American, like you
know, yeah, very interesting pot stand,

1005
01:31:31.359 --> 01:31:36.840
tree combination style and everything. And
I think, I think that's what

1006
01:31:38.000 --> 01:31:43.960
you want. I think, you
know, I want. I would like

1007
01:31:44.079 --> 01:31:49.640
to see every region of the world
have their own kind of bone sized style,

1008
01:31:50.000 --> 01:31:55.760
like I know in Australia they have
sort of a style of tree that

1009
01:31:55.880 --> 01:32:00.640
they like in Africa, South Africa. They have a certain style that they

1010
01:32:00.760 --> 01:32:05.159
develop, and yeah, it's it's
like you know, you don't if you

1011
01:32:05.239 --> 01:32:09.880
go to a mall, you don't
want every mall to have the exact same

1012
01:32:09.960 --> 01:32:15.760
stores in it. You want to
see variety. And same with bonsai.

1013
01:32:15.880 --> 01:32:19.000
I think, you know, you
have to have a certain number of native

1014
01:32:19.079 --> 01:32:25.399
trees in your collection that represent your
area that you live in. And then

1015
01:32:26.319 --> 01:32:30.279
I think that becomes like for me, Canadian bonsai and for you guys American

1016
01:32:30.359 --> 01:32:36.039
bonsai. And there's different regions of
America. I mean Florida has their ficus

1017
01:32:36.159 --> 01:32:43.279
and their tropical trees growing, and
California it's famous for junipers, And I

1018
01:32:45.239 --> 01:32:49.840
wonder in Flawda if they do a
bonsai in a shape of their kind.

1019
01:32:51.840 --> 01:32:59.199
So I thinks there because you know, there's a lot of Ficus in nature

1020
01:32:59.279 --> 01:33:04.439
there, and yeah, yeah,
they have their Florida's famous world famous for

1021
01:33:04.520 --> 01:33:09.560
their Ficus bone sie. They have
some of the best, you know,

1022
01:33:09.720 --> 01:33:15.800
trees in the world for Ficus that
and like Taiwan they're they're famous for ficus

1023
01:33:15.920 --> 01:33:24.840
too, and Vietnam all these tropical
countries areas. Yeah, but yeah,

1024
01:33:26.840 --> 01:33:30.680
well, you know, I've got
a ton of variety of trees on the

1025
01:33:30.760 --> 01:33:35.760
go, and I really enjoyed all
the different varieties and learning about the trees

1026
01:33:35.960 --> 01:33:41.560
and looking them up to see what
they look like in nature, and then

1027
01:33:41.720 --> 01:33:44.920
trying to grow them. No,
yeah, yeah, no, it's it's

1028
01:33:45.000 --> 01:33:48.560
fun. I love growing plants just
generally, but only recently started doing the

1029
01:33:48.640 --> 01:33:53.439
bone side thing at all. But
it's definitely cool. I enjoy it.

1030
01:33:55.640 --> 01:34:00.560
What about I mean back to the
YouTube aspect of the don't size zone.

1031
01:34:01.439 --> 01:34:05.439
Have you ever thought about going or
have you or have you ever thought of

1032
01:34:05.800 --> 01:34:10.920
going to one of these? Like
I think they have like conferences and stuff

1033
01:34:10.960 --> 01:34:15.399
where YouTube ers like go and like
they meet together. I have have you

1034
01:34:15.439 --> 01:34:17.520
ever thought about doing one of those
things or have you done one of those?

1035
01:34:18.760 --> 01:34:25.720
I've never heard of one. They
used to have in Toronto, Canada,

1036
01:34:26.319 --> 01:34:29.560
which is about an hour and a
half drive for me away. They

1037
01:34:29.640 --> 01:34:32.279
used to have one of those YouTube
studios where anyone could go in and use

1038
01:34:32.359 --> 01:34:36.680
their studio to make a video,
but they closed that down years ago.

1039
01:34:38.439 --> 01:34:41.920
I don't think those things. I
don't know if they exist in the United

1040
01:34:41.960 --> 01:34:45.840
States, but there's none in Canada
anymore. And I haven't heard of any

1041
01:34:45.920 --> 01:34:50.880
YouTube conferences or any get togethers or
anything like that. Yeah, yeah,

1042
01:34:51.560 --> 01:34:56.840
they definitely have had them. I'm
not sure if I've heard of the studio.

1043
01:34:57.279 --> 01:35:00.600
What you're describing reminds me of like
cable access, but instead of putting

1044
01:35:00.640 --> 01:35:06.479
your material on a cable access channel's
posted to YouTube. I suppose. Yeah,

1045
01:35:06.680 --> 01:35:10.920
yeah, they gave like they had
all these studios and they had like

1046
01:35:11.119 --> 01:35:15.680
all the good sound and lights and
people. Would you would just book your

1047
01:35:15.720 --> 01:35:19.680
appointment and then you would go down
on your day in time and you could

1048
01:35:19.720 --> 01:35:27.520
make a video in this professional studio. I never did it, but because

1049
01:35:27.920 --> 01:35:30.680
you know, I do all my
stuff in the greenhouse or outdoors, but

1050
01:35:32.680 --> 01:35:36.640
that's the first place to do them. Do you go out to like the

1051
01:35:36.800 --> 01:35:43.199
forest or somewhere out in nature to
collect specimens? Do you ever do that?

1052
01:35:43.359 --> 01:35:46.319
Thank you we have. I don't. I'm not a big fan of

1053
01:35:46.399 --> 01:35:54.760
collecting from nature unless the trees are
going to be destroyed or something anyway,

1054
01:35:54.920 --> 01:36:01.000
Like I I personally, it's not
for me, like some of these people

1055
01:36:01.119 --> 01:36:04.640
that climb up to the top of
a mountain and then they find this stunted

1056
01:36:05.000 --> 01:36:09.760
tree and they dig it up and
it's going to be like four or five

1057
01:36:09.880 --> 01:36:14.319
hundred years old. I think when
a plank gets that old and it's alive,

1058
01:36:14.439 --> 01:36:17.680
that it should just be left alone
for others to appreciate if they climb

1059
01:36:17.720 --> 01:36:25.920
the same mountain. I think the
whole goal of bones I or my goal

1060
01:36:26.000 --> 01:36:30.399
anyway, is to try and grow
a tree that looks like that tree that's

1061
01:36:30.520 --> 01:36:34.239
up growing on the mountain, not
to actually collect that tree. I would

1062
01:36:34.359 --> 01:36:40.039
rather, you know, start with
a juniper from a nursery and then develop

1063
01:36:40.119 --> 01:36:45.279
that to look like that tree.
But I think, you know, there's

1064
01:36:45.399 --> 01:36:49.279
exceptions, like if there's a bunch
of trees and it's going to be bulldozed

1065
01:36:49.359 --> 01:36:54.479
or something, Yeah, it's nice
to go in and save the trees and

1066
01:36:54.560 --> 01:37:00.479
collect them. I don't really it
doesn't agree with me. People like there's

1067
01:37:00.560 --> 01:37:05.680
professional collectors who just they just get
permission to go in people's land and they

1068
01:37:06.119 --> 01:37:12.079
collect all these old trees or climbing
mountains and collecting them, and that's not

1069
01:37:12.279 --> 01:37:17.239
my thing. I think the people
who you know, buy those kind of

1070
01:37:17.319 --> 01:37:21.520
trees are again after the product they
want, like the instant, old,

1071
01:37:21.840 --> 01:37:30.000
bone side looking tree. They're not
growing that tree and there's nothing wrong with

1072
01:37:30.119 --> 01:37:33.439
that. They're like there's some people
who are bone side collectors, and they

1073
01:37:33.520 --> 01:37:36.399
don't work on their own trees.
They just have them in the backyard and

1074
01:37:36.680 --> 01:37:41.479
they look at them and they have
a professional come in and take care of

1075
01:37:41.560 --> 01:37:45.439
them. And that's very common in
Japan actually, is that people have a

1076
01:37:45.520 --> 01:37:49.640
bone size collection in the backyard and
then a professional will come in and water

1077
01:37:49.760 --> 01:37:55.880
them and take care of them.
It's almost like a gardener. But yeah,

1078
01:37:56.000 --> 01:38:00.640
but for me, like I said, the process to the month side

1079
01:38:00.680 --> 01:38:05.319
that I enjoy the most is the
actual development, the day to day work

1080
01:38:05.399 --> 01:38:11.319
growing them, taking care of them
and watching them slowly get better over the

1081
01:38:11.439 --> 01:38:15.560
years. Yeah, no, hurry
to get like a finished looking bone side

1082
01:38:15.600 --> 01:38:20.800
that now now I can relate and
and I understand, Nigel, I know

1083
01:38:20.960 --> 01:38:24.880
that. I mean one of my
favorite things to do is just go outside

1084
01:38:24.920 --> 01:38:29.920
and just stare at plants and sometimes
yeah, that's I love it. It's

1085
01:38:30.000 --> 01:38:34.079
one of my favorite things just look
and look. And I do it with

1086
01:38:34.159 --> 01:38:38.479
the landscape because I find I look
at each individual plant, I think of

1087
01:38:38.640 --> 01:38:41.640
like what it is, but where
it will be in the future and what

1088
01:38:41.800 --> 01:38:45.640
it could be and how if I
maybe trimmed it or pernto a certain way,

1089
01:38:45.880 --> 01:38:49.319
or if I even moved it or
if I put another plant in with

1090
01:38:49.439 --> 01:38:53.680
the grouping. This isn't even bone
side, this is just plants. But

1091
01:38:53.800 --> 01:38:56.960
both sides the same thing. You
have one like okay, if I if

1092
01:38:57.000 --> 01:39:00.840
I leave this tree in the ground
for a cup years, then I pull

1093
01:39:00.920 --> 01:39:02.520
it out, will be a good
place where I can start, you know,

1094
01:39:02.600 --> 01:39:05.319
like doing bone side techniques to it
and stuff like that. Like I

1095
01:39:05.640 --> 01:39:09.800
love it. It's a lot of
fun. Yeah yeah, yeah, Well

1096
01:39:10.000 --> 01:39:15.279
I would say, you know,
you'll enjoy bones I there's people who bonsie

1097
01:39:15.760 --> 01:39:20.479
is a competition. There's people who
grow their trees just to try and win

1098
01:39:20.600 --> 01:39:24.680
best in show at the bone Size
show and stuff, and that's their goal.

1099
01:39:25.279 --> 01:39:29.760
They don't really enjoy bone side.
They just they have a lot of

1100
01:39:29.840 --> 01:39:32.880
money and they buy the best trees
and they show them. And so there's

1101
01:39:32.880 --> 01:39:40.199
a lot of aspects to the hobby. And I try and show what someone

1102
01:39:40.279 --> 01:39:45.680
can do in their backyard. Like
I would say, I'm a I'm I'm

1103
01:39:45.720 --> 01:39:49.199
a professional in the sense that I
make some money off of YouTube, so

1104
01:39:49.560 --> 01:39:55.760
I guess I would be called a
both side professional, but I'm I'm a

1105
01:39:55.840 --> 01:39:59.760
hobbyist at heart. Like I I
do bone side as a hobby. It's

1106
01:39:59.800 --> 01:40:03.640
not but I never set out to
make it a career on YouTube. I'm

1107
01:40:03.720 --> 01:40:11.479
actually I never expected by channel to
grow anywhere close to where it is.

1108
01:40:11.840 --> 01:40:16.560
I you know, I was amazed
when it broke ten thousand subscribers. I

1109
01:40:16.720 --> 01:40:21.039
was like, Wow, there's ten
thousand people who actually subscribe to my channel.

1110
01:40:21.840 --> 01:40:28.520
It's because they like the design.
And that's my thinking too. Liking

1111
01:40:28.600 --> 01:40:33.800
the design, liking something goes a
little put further, you know, Yeah,

1112
01:40:34.720 --> 01:40:40.840
and you're at makes the difference.
I watch. I watch all kinds

1113
01:40:40.840 --> 01:40:45.479
of YouTube channels. I watched these
model making channels where you know, people

1114
01:40:45.720 --> 01:40:48.760
assemble these scale models, and I'm
fascinated by that. Even though I don't

1115
01:40:48.800 --> 01:40:54.520
do any model making anymore, I
still like watching someone who's good at what

1116
01:40:54.640 --> 01:41:00.199
they do, doing what they like
doing. And I think that's a lot

1117
01:41:00.239 --> 01:41:03.880
of YouTube is that you get to
see these people who maybe have obscure hobbies

1118
01:41:04.079 --> 01:41:09.000
and they're good at what they do
and they enjoy doing it, and it

1119
01:41:09.159 --> 01:41:15.039
shows in their video that it's enjoyable
watching these videos because the person really likes

1120
01:41:15.079 --> 01:41:18.720
what they're doing and their enthusiasm kind
of rubs off on you. Yeah,

1121
01:41:18.880 --> 01:41:24.439
that's what it does mean, that's
what it does mean when I see him

1122
01:41:24.520 --> 01:41:29.079
doing one and I just say,
watch him how he builds it and how

1123
01:41:29.199 --> 01:41:32.840
it goes, you know, yeah, yeah like that. Yeah, that's

1124
01:41:32.960 --> 01:41:42.319
yeah, yeah yeah yeah. So
Nigel, it's it's been great to have

1125
01:41:42.560 --> 01:41:45.520
you here. I know it's late
over where you're at that did you need

1126
01:41:45.640 --> 01:41:53.960
to get going soon? I can
stay as long as you want. I'm

1127
01:41:55.399 --> 01:41:59.319
I'm available. Okay, Well,
don't go to bed till late. I'm

1128
01:41:59.399 --> 01:42:03.720
usually edited videos late at night night. That's funny, that's cool. Half

1129
01:42:03.840 --> 01:42:15.640
my time I spend. I usually
I start videoing around ten or eleven in

1130
01:42:15.680 --> 01:42:18.239
the morning, and then I usually
finish up by like three or four in

1131
01:42:18.279 --> 01:42:24.560
the afternoon, and then I'll eat
and then i'll after supper, I'll edit

1132
01:42:24.720 --> 01:42:29.560
video, edit the video, and
then you have to process it into one

1133
01:42:29.680 --> 01:42:32.000
video, and then you have to
upload it onto YouTube and then add all

1134
01:42:32.039 --> 01:42:42.600
the titles and thumbnails. And it's
usually I probably spend at least eight to

1135
01:42:42.760 --> 01:42:47.199
ten hours a day on YouTube.
And then and then you know, I

1136
01:42:47.319 --> 01:42:55.279
get maybe thirty or forty dollars per
video if it's doing well. So that's

1137
01:42:55.399 --> 01:42:58.680
my life. It's a lot of
work, and I don't get a lot

1138
01:42:58.720 --> 01:43:02.720
of money for it kind of like, thank goodness, I'm like retired.

1139
01:43:02.840 --> 01:43:08.680
Basically, well, Uncle dandel Life
and Nigel Saunders. What do you think

1140
01:43:08.880 --> 01:43:14.159
that's pretty interesting? Yeah, that's
pretty interesting though. So what I'm saying

1141
01:43:14.239 --> 01:43:18.199
is this YouTube channel is a labor
of love. It's not it's not making

1142
01:43:18.279 --> 01:43:25.960
me big money or anything like that. That's my uncle uncle. He's not

1143
01:43:26.079 --> 01:43:30.479
just similar to us. No,
No, he's doing he's doing what we

1144
01:43:30.760 --> 01:43:38.199
sort of do. But what we
get on I do a little extra stuff

1145
01:43:38.479 --> 01:43:47.079
like these videos on Saturdays to watch
and we bring him into the shop and

1146
01:43:47.560 --> 01:43:51.760
let people look at him, and
I have my caught in it and put

1147
01:43:51.920 --> 01:43:59.000
somebody to watch it. We watch
all vhs DH take yeah, watch and

1148
01:43:59.199 --> 01:44:03.479
we listen them on Saturdays. So
that's if you interested listen to those and

1149
01:44:04.159 --> 01:44:10.479
you have a go to one of
those, look for that and you see

1150
01:44:10.520 --> 01:44:14.439
my client in them, make a
party out of it. Yeah them cool?

1151
01:44:15.439 --> 01:44:19.680
Yeah Yeah, So yeah, I'm
sure I'm sure that Nigel's subscribers will

1152
01:44:19.680 --> 01:44:23.680
find that interesting. The story of
like, well, yeah, they're waking

1153
01:44:23.800 --> 01:44:28.479
up making the video, editing and
that night because nobody gets to see that.

1154
01:44:29.239 --> 01:44:31.039
All you get to a finished product, right, You're like, oh,

1155
01:44:31.079 --> 01:44:33.239
yeah, there's a video. You
don't realize how I got there.

1156
01:44:33.560 --> 01:44:43.119
Yeah, well, during the pandemic, I was making videos fairly regularly,

1157
01:44:44.159 --> 01:44:48.239
and then I got I got a
comment from someone who said they were working

1158
01:44:48.359 --> 01:44:57.159
in the hospital with COVID victims or
COVID people, and they said, I

1159
01:44:57.359 --> 01:45:00.640
just love coming home at night and
I'm so pumped up. I'm working like

1160
01:45:00.720 --> 01:45:02.479
a twelve hour shift that I need
to relax. So I put one of

1161
01:45:02.520 --> 01:45:08.840
your videos on and they just thank
me for making them, and I kind

1162
01:45:08.880 --> 01:45:13.239
of that kind of inspired me to
make kind of a video every day.

1163
01:45:13.359 --> 01:45:16.800
So I was making a video every
day for like I think four months or

1164
01:45:16.840 --> 01:45:23.319
maybe even more, without skipping any
days. And and then I get I

1165
01:45:23.439 --> 01:45:29.039
get like people in the US Army
who watched me over and like they were

1166
01:45:29.119 --> 01:45:32.840
watching me over in Iraq. Oh, and and it just surprised me.

1167
01:45:33.119 --> 01:45:40.760
I've never ever considered that people in
the US Army would be watching both side

1168
01:45:40.800 --> 01:45:47.600
videos over in a foreign country.
And it's kind of surprised me. It's

1169
01:45:48.039 --> 01:45:53.640
it's it's real. It's strange.
Having like a worldwide audience is very bizarre

1170
01:45:53.760 --> 01:46:02.560
for mexpected. It's the divining relack
agent of the person that likes to watch

1171
01:46:02.640 --> 01:46:08.399
states. And that's what you do. You do those things on, like

1172
01:46:08.520 --> 01:46:13.600
you say, and and it relaxes
the who doesn't like that? Who doesn't

1173
01:46:13.720 --> 01:46:18.680
like anybody like they want to want
to relax, so they just pop that

1174
01:46:18.960 --> 01:46:24.600
on and and and just see that
tune in the size. That's true.

1175
01:46:24.960 --> 01:46:28.640
I mean, you know, some
channels on YouTube aren't relaxing, Like I

1176
01:46:28.840 --> 01:46:32.279
I've watched some that you can just
tell the person's kind of jumpy and they

1177
01:46:33.760 --> 01:46:42.319
that's you get kind of anxious watching
them. Yell's that people are. That's

1178
01:46:42.439 --> 01:46:47.520
the people relaxing. You gotta pick
them so like you gotta like pick them

1179
01:46:47.560 --> 01:46:54.199
out like this and like that.
There's that's like the styles, style,

1180
01:46:54.359 --> 01:47:00.600
presentation, styles for making online videos
without a doubt. That's what we're getting

1181
01:47:00.640 --> 01:47:04.199
to what I'm trying to understand.
Some of them definitely are fast paced.

1182
01:47:04.720 --> 01:47:11.000
They borrow editing techniques from you know, you could say sources like you know,

1183
01:47:11.199 --> 01:47:14.199
MTV and things like that. They
can't they're born out of that.

1184
01:47:14.800 --> 01:47:25.159
The speed clips like rapid rapid edits
and and like that like that. Yeah.

1185
01:47:25.840 --> 01:47:29.640
Yeah, and it can be okay
to watch occasionally, but I wouldn't

1186
01:47:29.640 --> 01:47:34.279
want to watch every video the same
style like that. You know, it's

1187
01:47:34.319 --> 01:47:39.439
not the bun size one. That's
not what you get. You know what

1188
01:47:39.560 --> 01:47:45.039
I was, you know, to
watch you know what I'm wondering. You

1189
01:47:45.119 --> 01:47:47.319
know a lot of people that have
because you have a large amount of videos

1190
01:47:47.439 --> 01:47:50.039
on your channel. I'm looking at
your channel and I put it in the

1191
01:47:50.119 --> 01:47:54.600
chatroom at Chilli dot com. Guys, So if you want to go and

1192
01:47:54.720 --> 01:47:58.800
check it out yourselves, go ahead, and we'll put a link out there

1193
01:47:58.840 --> 01:48:00.000
and everything for you know, new
people. But I mean, you got

1194
01:48:00.039 --> 01:48:06.039
like two hundred thousand subscribers, you
got you know, a huge over a

1195
01:48:06.119 --> 01:48:11.279
thousand videos. Sorry, go ahead, Yeah, I think I made Last

1196
01:48:11.359 --> 01:48:16.239
year, I made two hundred and
two hundred and seventy videos, so you

1197
01:48:16.319 --> 01:48:21.680
know, not every day, but
certainly a large quantity each year. Well

1198
01:48:21.760 --> 01:48:26.039
what I was doing is yeah,
well look I think I have over one

1199
01:48:26.079 --> 01:48:29.159
thousand, five hundred videos. Now, yeah, I know it's well over

1200
01:48:29.199 --> 01:48:31.399
a thousand. But the thing is
that when when a YouTube channel gets to

1201
01:48:31.520 --> 01:48:35.520
that sort of a point where it's
got that long of a history and everything,

1202
01:48:35.640 --> 01:48:39.960
right, some of them turn around
and put out like it's almost like

1203
01:48:40.000 --> 01:48:45.760
a live stream that constantly reruns their
old videos right where it's almost like tuning

1204
01:48:45.840 --> 01:48:50.479
into an old school TV channel,
but it's on YouTube and it's just running

1205
01:48:50.640 --> 01:48:55.399
your old stuff, say right,
and it might be stuff that people might

1206
01:48:55.479 --> 01:48:59.119
not choose to run themselves. Instead
of them running video to video from an

1207
01:48:59.119 --> 01:49:01.640
algorithm, you have a stream that
continues to go. Have you ever thought

1208
01:49:01.680 --> 01:49:05.760
about doing that? Because your stuff
reminds me of like why it is we

1209
01:49:05.880 --> 01:49:10.840
keep the radio station because we don't
have anything. We don't have a huge

1210
01:49:10.840 --> 01:49:15.520
amount of listeners for the online radio
station. But there are some steady people

1211
01:49:15.800 --> 01:49:18.439
that will tell me, like,
this is like what I listened to,

1212
01:49:18.920 --> 01:49:23.439
you know, in the middle of
the night, and it's just whatever you're

1213
01:49:23.520 --> 01:49:26.520
rerunning and all that kind of stuff. And I rerun new stuff, and

1214
01:49:26.680 --> 01:49:30.560
for the holidays, I do special
things outside of us, you know,

1215
01:49:30.680 --> 01:49:34.640
broadcasting the podcast as we're making them. We rerun stuffy. So I was

1216
01:49:34.720 --> 01:49:38.720
just curious, you know, and
some people, it's only a small group

1217
01:49:38.760 --> 01:49:41.800
of people are like I depend on
your radio station, you know. So

1218
01:49:41.960 --> 01:49:45.199
I was wondering if you thought about
maybe putting your old stuff through like a

1219
01:49:45.319 --> 01:49:50.119
continuous playlist almost that's like a twenty
four to seven playlist where you could rotate

1220
01:49:50.239 --> 01:49:55.720
things. You ever thought about doing
that? Well, I have I have

1221
01:49:56.119 --> 01:50:00.760
playlists set up for each year so
you can watch. You can click on

1222
01:50:00.840 --> 01:50:04.760
a playlist for season eight, for
instance, and you can watch all the

1223
01:50:04.840 --> 01:50:11.279
videos made in that season. Or
you can click on the playlist for each

1224
01:50:11.359 --> 01:50:15.039
individual tree and you can follow it
from the last ten years to wherever it

1225
01:50:15.199 --> 01:50:19.840
is now. So I organize my
channel like that. So I have a

1226
01:50:19.920 --> 01:50:25.000
lot of playlists for each species of
tree. Oh yeah, what they learn

1227
01:50:25.079 --> 01:50:29.319
about, but this is you can
watch it from when I got it to

1228
01:50:29.680 --> 01:50:31.640
where it is now. And some
of them have been on the channel for

1229
01:50:31.760 --> 01:50:35.680
ten years. But what I was
thinking of my oldest a selective a selective

1230
01:50:35.720 --> 01:50:39.960
grouping of stuff that runs almost like
a TV channel where you know you're not

1231
01:50:40.039 --> 01:50:45.439
in control. Oh I see,
yeah, like like some of these channels

1232
01:50:45.520 --> 01:50:49.760
on TV where they just play stuff
NonStop. Kind of yeah, there's people

1233
01:50:49.880 --> 01:50:54.560
on YouTube that are doing that now, like not just using the playlist right

1234
01:50:54.920 --> 01:50:58.600
where they're just tuning into the streams. And some of these older channels I

1235
01:50:58.680 --> 01:51:01.479
notice have star. I'm just thinking
it's another way that you know, if

1236
01:51:01.520 --> 01:51:05.640
you have viewers there, they still
give you the commercial revenue. You know,

1237
01:51:05.800 --> 01:51:10.640
I've never done any streaming. I've
never done any live streams or anything.

1238
01:51:10.880 --> 01:51:15.720
And I don't know. I don't
do the YouTube shorts, Okay,

1239
01:51:15.239 --> 01:51:19.279
I just so you're not using like
all the stuff then you're you're just going

1240
01:51:19.359 --> 01:51:24.239
for the like here's my videos,
here's my playlist, and yeah, okay.

1241
01:51:24.279 --> 01:51:27.720
I see a lot of people ask
me, you know, why aren't

1242
01:51:27.760 --> 01:51:30.439
I on Facebook? And why are
I on Twitter and Instagram and that?

1243
01:51:31.199 --> 01:51:38.680
And it would drive you crazy.
I can I can barely handle doing YouTube.

1244
01:51:40.439 --> 01:51:44.279
It's like when I post a video, I'll get all these comments and

1245
01:51:44.359 --> 01:51:46.399
I try and answer them, but
I just can't. It's well, have

1246
01:51:46.479 --> 01:51:49.399
you ever thought about many? Yeah, have you ever thought about maybe turning

1247
01:51:49.439 --> 01:51:53.399
it into a Roku channel or something
too, like, you know, one

1248
01:51:53.479 --> 01:51:57.880
of these other things where it's like
part of a because there are these little

1249
01:51:58.000 --> 01:52:01.760
niche channels on Roku by the way
that do stuff like this. Like I

1250
01:52:01.880 --> 01:52:06.359
know there's something on there that's like
for like dollar Store crafting. Somebody showed

1251
01:52:06.399 --> 01:52:10.079
me a channel on Roku. Dollar
you know, go to the dollar store,

1252
01:52:10.119 --> 01:52:12.920
you pick up stuff and you can
make you know, cool, you

1253
01:52:13.000 --> 01:52:15.640
know, decorations and gifts and things
out of stuff from the dollar store,

1254
01:52:15.720 --> 01:52:20.119
right, So it's like the cheap
crafter. Yeah. And there's literally a

1255
01:52:20.359 --> 01:52:25.600
channel devoted to that on Roku.
Really. Yeah, and I'm like,

1256
01:52:26.199 --> 01:52:29.239
I didn't know about that. Yeah, it's the first I've heard of it.

1257
01:52:29.479 --> 01:52:30.560
Well, that's why I was thinking
of it, is that this kind

1258
01:52:30.640 --> 01:52:34.960
of thing would be intricate enough,
interesting enough and cool enough to be its

1259
01:52:35.000 --> 01:52:39.880
own Roku channel, you know.
Yeah, yeah, I don't know,

1260
01:52:40.119 --> 01:52:45.399
just my random thought possibility for the
future. I'm sure, you know,

1261
01:52:45.119 --> 01:52:53.880
I'm sure YouTube won't last forever.
I think. Yeah, it's it's it's

1262
01:52:54.039 --> 01:52:59.439
changing YouTube, you know, it's
going definitely more for commercial content rather than

1263
01:53:00.239 --> 01:53:03.800
yeah, the small creator it's well
right, right, right, No,

1264
01:53:03.920 --> 01:53:08.119
I understand. And again I had
a YouTube channel for you know, I

1265
01:53:08.159 --> 01:53:10.840
don't know how many years. Let
me see, twenty eight to twenty twenty

1266
01:53:10.880 --> 01:53:15.039
two. I guess it was what
twelve fourteen years? Uh, you know,

1267
01:53:15.760 --> 01:53:19.920
wow, that's that's amazing. Yeah. I mean they took it away

1268
01:53:19.960 --> 01:53:24.359
because I was controversial, you know, but it was because their community standards

1269
01:53:24.439 --> 01:53:26.560
change, not because of me.
Really, it was, you know,

1270
01:53:26.760 --> 01:53:30.319
they started flagging out for stuff I
put up there eight years ago. For

1271
01:53:30.439 --> 01:53:32.640
no reason things like that, but
it was, uh, you know,

1272
01:53:32.680 --> 01:53:39.800
it was an interesting You're very lucky
actually that my topic of bonsye is very

1273
01:53:41.840 --> 01:53:46.319
there's nothing controversial about it. Yeah, nobody's gonna take it. Really yeah,

1274
01:53:46.359 --> 01:53:53.520
nobody's gonna take it advert right,
I'm saying, really interesting it is,

1275
01:53:53.760 --> 01:53:57.399
I mean, and it's there.
I could watch it almost all day

1276
01:53:57.600 --> 01:54:01.520
and it's watching And I'm thinking if
it's custom made for advertisers too, because

1277
01:54:01.560 --> 01:54:04.399
I mean, the home Depot could
advertise with you. You know, the

1278
01:54:04.479 --> 01:54:09.439
big corporate sponsors could drop in on
you because they sell plants at home Depot.

1279
01:54:09.479 --> 01:54:12.079
It's the logic is that simple,
right, And if you're into this

1280
01:54:12.199 --> 01:54:15.560
hobby, you definitely want to go
buy your stuff. Now, maybe you

1281
01:54:15.600 --> 01:54:18.560
don't want to buy it at home
depot, but local plant nurseries, uh,

1282
01:54:18.640 --> 01:54:21.159
you know, any of these kind
of things could all drop in there.

1283
01:54:23.479 --> 01:54:26.319
And I'm thinking of myself as long
friendly, as long as I don't

1284
01:54:26.399 --> 01:54:29.239
start talking about, you know,
events in the world, and that I'll

1285
01:54:29.319 --> 01:54:32.840
be pretty safe with my YouTube channel. I think, don't don't don't sculpting

1286
01:54:32.880 --> 01:54:35.800
your trees in the shop of Donald
Trump, and you'll be fine. Yeah,

1287
01:54:35.920 --> 01:54:41.960
yeah, don't know. Me that
guy. Politics. Politics, don't

1288
01:54:42.760 --> 01:54:45.760
don't go near that guy. I
mean, it can't be medical. It

1289
01:54:45.840 --> 01:54:48.920
can't be medical disinformation. You can't
do Yeah, you can't do medical dis

1290
01:54:49.239 --> 01:54:53.479
guys. Donald Trump. Oh no, no, no, not me,

1291
01:54:54.239 --> 01:54:58.960
no, not sense not since he
happened to do what he did in the

1292
01:54:59.319 --> 01:55:05.159
in the White House. Since that
happened, dropped this case. I think,

1293
01:55:05.279 --> 01:55:10.520
I think you shouldn't even be running
scene. I think was okay with

1294
01:55:10.640 --> 01:55:15.520
him being on the Apprentice. That
was all like plant planted the FBI and

1295
01:55:16.920 --> 01:55:24.479
that that we're leading that insurrection,
and then they were trying to get people

1296
01:55:24.600 --> 01:55:29.319
to go into the Capitol building and
see what you get set up by the

1297
01:55:29.439 --> 01:55:33.279
Feds. So so you never have
political side talk during your Bonseye demonstrations.

1298
01:55:33.920 --> 01:55:36.520
Yeah, yeah, no, it
just came up. No, no,

1299
01:55:36.560 --> 01:55:41.680
no, it's okay. I was
just the different side of Nigel Saunders that

1300
01:55:42.439 --> 01:55:48.159
people be interested if you like,
Oh I didn't. It's interesting, you

1301
01:55:48.239 --> 01:55:55.560
know, like Nigel'll get banned on
YouTube for Canada. We get a different

1302
01:55:55.680 --> 01:56:00.399
view of the US politics than I
think people in the the United States kept

1303
01:56:00.520 --> 01:56:04.880
because we're kind of looking at it
from the outside, not from within.

1304
01:56:05.640 --> 01:56:10.279
Oh I see how are you looking
at it a different way? And by

1305
01:56:10.319 --> 01:56:14.039
the way, Nigel, we never
did have those YouTube studios here in America.

1306
01:56:14.199 --> 01:56:16.760
No, we never had that here. That that's oh really okay,

1307
01:56:17.239 --> 01:56:20.720
Yeah, I don't remember hearing about
that even yeah, yeah, because I

1308
01:56:20.760 --> 01:56:25.920
remember, I know there was one
in New York City, briefly, one

1309
01:56:26.000 --> 01:56:28.920
in Toronto. Yeah, briefly,
there was one in New York. And

1310
01:56:29.000 --> 01:56:32.399
there was one in the U in
the headquarter building in California briefly, but

1311
01:56:32.520 --> 01:56:35.920
they quickly got rid of it.
In America, it was not something else,

1312
01:56:36.239 --> 01:56:40.119
Okay. Yeah, I don't know
why. I don't know the whole

1313
01:56:40.159 --> 01:56:44.159
reasoning behind it, but I do
know that it persisted in Canada for a

1314
01:56:44.199 --> 01:56:46.039
while and I thought it was the
coolest thing. That's where I heard of

1315
01:56:46.079 --> 01:56:51.319
it. Maybe they maybe they don't
want to encourage the small content creator.

1316
01:56:51.399 --> 01:56:58.680
They would rather like That's true,
big corporate companies, right starting YouTube channels

1317
01:56:58.760 --> 01:57:01.760
like the news stations. That's the
other thing is you started long ago enough

1318
01:57:02.319 --> 01:57:06.560
that quite honestly, you know,
ABC, NBC they didn't have YouTube channels

1319
01:57:06.600 --> 01:57:12.960
when you started. Where did YouTube
come from? They say they used to

1320
01:57:13.039 --> 01:57:16.359
make fun of such things, right, you remember big radio people calling podcasters

1321
01:57:16.560 --> 01:57:20.039
losers and things like that. Now
they are rushing to get them now they

1322
01:57:20.079 --> 01:57:25.880
all have podcasts, but yeah,
it's not just a podcast. When I

1323
01:57:26.000 --> 01:57:29.760
started YouTube, if a channel had
a million subscribers, it was huge,

1324
01:57:30.159 --> 01:57:34.239
right, But now a million subscribers
is like not a big deal anymore.

1325
01:57:34.439 --> 01:57:40.800
No, Yeah, that thirty dollars. It was the thirty dollars you were

1326
01:57:40.840 --> 01:57:45.159
talking about making off of a video. I could do that off of five

1327
01:57:45.279 --> 01:57:49.319
or six thousand subscribers back in the
day. Yeah, yeah, and it

1328
01:57:49.439 --> 01:57:51.640
was it was like that, and
yeah, if you had a million,

1329
01:57:51.720 --> 01:57:56.039
that was great. But then they
started having these people doing these weird videos.

1330
01:57:56.159 --> 01:57:59.119
See that's the thing. People did
all kinds of weird, experimental things

1331
01:57:59.199 --> 01:58:02.520
on YouTube. It was kind of
interesting and the corporate thing wasn't involved when

1332
01:58:02.560 --> 01:58:06.600
you got there. So, you
know, Fox News didn't have a YouTube

1333
01:58:06.680 --> 01:58:12.000
channel. They were laughing at YouTube. YouTube was like idiots making their own

1334
01:58:12.079 --> 01:58:16.560
videos. Ha ha. Yeah,
you know, it was interesting. It

1335
01:58:16.680 --> 01:58:21.800
was different than television, and now
it's just becoming television now. Well it

1336
01:58:21.920 --> 01:58:27.079
literally has it literally has YouTube TV
now, where you know, hey,

1337
01:58:27.159 --> 01:58:29.640
look you want your TV, we
can combine it with your YouTube, no

1338
01:58:29.800 --> 01:58:33.239
problem. And yeah, it's now
a product as opposed to this like platform

1339
01:58:33.319 --> 01:58:38.279
that was experimental where you got in. I mean today, if you tried

1340
01:58:38.319 --> 01:58:43.680
to build that channel from scratch today, you'd have a hard hard time getting

1341
01:58:43.760 --> 01:58:46.039
the subscribers that you have. Not
not being no offense to you. Your

1342
01:58:46.119 --> 01:58:49.079
videos are very cool, they look
nice, they're well organized, all that

1343
01:58:49.159 --> 01:58:54.439
stuff, but you'd be sitting out
there, you know, lost, because

1344
01:58:54.640 --> 01:58:58.279
you wouldn't be at the top of
the bone's eye. You know, somebody

1345
01:58:58.359 --> 01:59:02.119
sponsored by a miracle grow very hard
to start a new channel. It's yeah,

1346
01:59:02.279 --> 01:59:05.960
somebody who comes out of the gate
sponsored by like Miracle Grow or something

1347
01:59:06.079 --> 01:59:10.800
like that, would be would dominate
your category. You'd never be able to

1348
01:59:11.000 --> 01:59:15.119
access those people. They'd never find
you. Even my my channel, I

1349
01:59:15.199 --> 01:59:19.720
don't have mid roll ads on my
videos, right, and to the YouTube

1350
01:59:19.800 --> 01:59:27.319
algorithm, my videos probably make less
money per minute than other videos, so

1351
01:59:27.399 --> 01:59:30.960
it wouldn't get promoted as much,
right because it's all about YouTube making money,

1352
01:59:31.239 --> 01:59:35.479
and my videos don't make them a
lot of money because they're long and

1353
01:59:35.520 --> 01:59:39.920
there's no commercials in them, and
they went through that time partial at the

1354
01:59:40.039 --> 01:59:43.479
start in the end, right,
the ones that are loaded with commercials there's

1355
01:59:43.520 --> 01:59:46.279
lots of exchange there. They can
show lots of exposures, and they'd rather

1356
01:59:46.439 --> 01:59:49.720
show people stuff like you know,
the kids playing with toys was a big

1357
01:59:49.800 --> 01:59:54.880
thing for a while, you know. Yeah, Like, I'm sure you're

1358
01:59:54.880 --> 01:59:58.479
aware of the Ryan. The guy, the kid's name is Ryan and his

1359
01:59:58.560 --> 02:00:02.000
whole family basically got to deal with
Disney off of him just playing with these

1360
02:00:02.239 --> 02:00:06.960
toys that he was getting sponsorship deals. He worked that out piece by piece,

1361
02:00:09.520 --> 02:00:12.640
you know. And uh No,
it's really interesting, though, uncle,

1362
02:00:12.680 --> 02:00:17.960
because this guy's a snapshot of the
legitimate, like organically grown YouTube guy

1363
02:00:18.520 --> 02:00:23.199
that used to exist. If you
try, I'm serious, if he tried

1364
02:00:23.239 --> 02:00:27.640
to start his channel today, he
would not be able to. People wouldn't

1365
02:00:27.640 --> 02:00:30.119
see it, they wouldn't find it. It would be lost because of the

1366
02:00:30.279 --> 02:00:34.000
because of the he got in at
a good time to do something like this.

1367
02:00:34.239 --> 02:00:39.399
It's really interesting and I'm I'm growing
an appreciation for this as I'm looking

1368
02:00:39.439 --> 02:00:42.000
through your stuff. I'm just telling
you it's it's really great. I mean

1369
02:00:42.000 --> 02:00:46.159
I always thought that Bush he gets
very good, very good. When you

1370
02:00:46.319 --> 02:00:51.600
look at a panchai, it's sort
of what it does. What it does,

1371
02:00:53.079 --> 02:00:59.319
it relaxes the person right. Yeah, for like like to say,

1372
02:00:59.720 --> 02:01:03.920
for example, you've had a bad
day, right check, say you had

1373
02:01:03.960 --> 02:01:11.840
a bad day and and and you
want something to relax you with this here,

1374
02:01:12.359 --> 02:01:16.600
putting this show on like he's done, would relax you and relax you

1375
02:01:17.479 --> 02:01:20.399
something. That's the job that does
it. That's a good job to do.

1376
02:01:20.800 --> 02:01:24.840
Job to do. Lie right.
Well, Look, because we are

1377
02:01:24.880 --> 02:01:27.119
at the end of the show,
I just want to remind people they need

1378
02:01:27.199 --> 02:01:30.520
to check out the Bone Size Zone
again. I put the the link in

1379
02:01:30.720 --> 02:01:34.359
at the O'Kelly chatroom at Ocelli dot
com. Uh So if you go back

1380
02:01:34.399 --> 02:01:38.439
and you roll it back, even
if you're hearing this podcast later, you

1381
02:01:38.520 --> 02:01:42.199
can always go back to the chat
room get the links if you like,

1382
02:01:42.479 --> 02:01:45.119
and follow this and again I'm gonna
put it there. Uh if you type

1383
02:01:45.159 --> 02:01:50.800
in you can go and relax YouTube
dot com at the Bone Size Zone.

1384
02:01:50.960 --> 02:01:54.680
Okay, literally, that's the way
it is. Again, I'll put that

1385
02:01:54.800 --> 02:01:58.079
link at the in the chat room. But I encourage you guys to check

1386
02:01:58.079 --> 02:02:00.760
it out because it's very cool and
I've never heard of them before. Okay,

1387
02:02:00.800 --> 02:02:04.600
because I'm not a bone tye enthusiast, not even as much as Aaron,

1388
02:02:04.680 --> 02:02:09.359
but it's very cool. So you
know, there you go, guys,

1389
02:02:09.439 --> 02:02:12.520
it's in the chat room again.
And Nigel, this was really great.

1390
02:02:13.359 --> 02:02:15.399
Thanks well, thank you very much
for having me on the podcast.

1391
02:02:15.520 --> 02:02:18.920
I really appreciate it and it was
really nice talking to you guys. I

1392
02:02:19.680 --> 02:02:26.159
really enjoyed the conversation, even though
we didn't get too far into you know,

1393
02:02:26.560 --> 02:02:31.279
some of these other topics that aren't
bolts I related, but it's best

1394
02:02:31.359 --> 02:02:36.600
to stay away from. Yeah,
well, we appreciate you indulging as Nigel,

1395
02:02:36.680 --> 02:02:40.039
it has been great having you.
Thank you so much for being here.

1396
02:02:41.279 --> 02:02:45.840
Thank you for having me. And
oh and Angrew if you want to

1397
02:02:46.319 --> 02:02:51.319
talk this anytime, welcome to call. Oh you know, thanks, I

1398
02:02:51.399 --> 02:02:55.560
know the thing. Yeah, we'll
stay in touch. Perhaps Aaron will do

1399
02:02:55.640 --> 02:02:58.359
a part two with you. That'll
be great. I would love to see

1400
02:02:58.399 --> 02:03:06.199
that. Yeah, yes, so
good night night. All okay, all

1401
02:03:06.279 --> 02:03:12.800
right, so Uncle not just I
liked it. The bun size down on

1402
02:03:12.880 --> 02:03:24.359
YouTube. Something we learned post and
if anybody's interested in us, we are

1403
02:03:24.520 --> 02:03:30.640
Uncle the Podcasts at Uncle podcast on
YouTube, but also Twitter and Instagram at

1404
02:03:30.760 --> 02:03:36.680
Uncle podcasts and Uncle the Podcast.
So thank you for listening and also my

1405
02:03:38.720 --> 02:03:43.000
things. Like I said, on
Saturdays. So if you guys ever want

1406
02:03:43.039 --> 02:03:46.239
to listen to it tomorrow, this
is this is the next one. I'm

1407
02:03:46.279 --> 02:03:49.960
going to be showing this Stranger by
Orson Wells, will be watching on VH

1408
02:03:50.399 --> 02:03:54.920
Be there tomorrow when we watch it
with us. Will be fun, all

1409
02:03:55.000 --> 02:03:59.039
right, there you go, a
little little Orson Wells. No drunken uh

1410
02:03:59.640 --> 02:04:04.279
wine commercial or whatever it was.
No, no frozen peas or California wines

1411
02:04:04.399 --> 02:04:08.239
this time. No no, no, no, no, no no wine

1412
02:04:08.319 --> 02:04:15.399
case I'm watching them is just outages
me to watch these things. It might

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be this one. Just take the
watch