WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:04.839 Hello and welcome to this episode of Superhero Ethics. Matthew Fox myself. I've 2 00:00:04.839 --> 00:00:10.279 been hosting the episodes about Indiana Jones over on Binger's Assemble, and I wanted 3 00:00:10.279 --> 00:00:13.800 to share with you the first of those episodes right here on Superhero Ethics. 4 00:00:14.039 --> 00:00:18.079 You can find all the rest on the Binger's Assemble podcast. And once the 5 00:00:18.160 --> 00:00:21.480 new movie comes out, I and a couple of other people will be talking 6 00:00:21.519 --> 00:00:26.320 about some of the ethical questions that comes up in Superhero Ethics, because no 7 00:00:26.839 --> 00:00:30.879 archaeology might have some ethical questions. But for now, take a listen to 8 00:00:30.879 --> 00:00:34.799 this episode all about Raiders of the Lost Arc, the first Indiana Jones movie. 9 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:41.439 Hello and welcome to this episode of Binger's Assemble. Yesterday, the inmates 10 00:00:41.479 --> 00:00:46.039 are running the asylum. My Matthew Fox, have taken over because I am 11 00:00:46.079 --> 00:00:51.039 the eighties child of this network and I am taking us back to Raiders of 12 00:00:51.079 --> 00:00:55.600 the Lost Arc Indiana Jones. Friends, We're gonna be covering all of the 13 00:00:55.640 --> 00:00:59.759 Indiana Jones movies in order getting us ready for the new one coming out at 14 00:00:59.799 --> 00:01:03.359 the end of this month. Today it's myself and Will Freeland, the Silver 15 00:01:03.520 --> 00:01:07.560 Dreamer of Twitch Lego fame, talking to you about one of my favorite movies 16 00:01:07.599 --> 00:01:11.040 from my childhood, Raiders Are the Lost Dark? All that more after this 17 00:01:11.120 --> 00:01:27.920 commercial break. We have no control over mate, your host. I'm sure 18 00:01:27.920 --> 00:01:33.000 that they're specific things I'm supposed to say because this is a Binger's Assemble episode. 19 00:01:33.079 --> 00:01:34.840 But like I said, the cats are away, so the mice are 20 00:01:34.840 --> 00:01:38.040 gonna play and we are talking about Raiders in the Lost Dark and we're doing 21 00:01:38.040 --> 00:01:42.480 so with my good friend Will Freeland. Will introduce yourself. I don't think 22 00:01:42.480 --> 00:01:45.799 you've been on a Binger's Assemble episode yet. I have not. This is 23 00:01:45.840 --> 00:01:53.480 my first Bingers cameo periance. Let's see I have do I talk about? 24 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:56.480 Like? What I do? Is that my? I just keep like a 25 00:01:56.560 --> 00:02:00.319 quick thirty second introduction to yourself. Sure, I'm all over the internet as 26 00:02:00.439 --> 00:02:04.519 Silver Dreamer. You can follow me on Twitch, you can follow me on 27 00:02:04.599 --> 00:02:09.599 Instagram or Twitter, TikTok if you if you're you know, real new age. 28 00:02:10.080 --> 00:02:14.800 But then I also have a podcast called Hype is My Superpower talk about 29 00:02:14.879 --> 00:02:20.759 Marvel comics and go into way too much depth about them. And yeah that's 30 00:02:20.800 --> 00:02:23.400 my internet presence. Yeah, love it, love it. So glad to 31 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:27.000 hear. And so we do have a couple least. This is a little 32 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:29.520 bit of a structured podcast. So we're going to start with what we call 33 00:02:29.639 --> 00:02:32.599 the shot and the chaser. The shot is in two minutes. I'm going 34 00:02:32.639 --> 00:02:37.479 to do everything I can to explain the plot of this movie. Some people 35 00:02:37.520 --> 00:02:39.599 may have seen it many many years ago. Some people may have never seen 36 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:44.199 it. If you've never seen it, I do highly recommend finding it online. 37 00:02:44.639 --> 00:02:47.080 It is definitely available on Amazon, and whether it's available in other places 38 00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:51.879 I will not say for legal reasons, but if you haven't seen it in 39 00:02:51.919 --> 00:02:53.879 many many years and just want to get a quick reminder, here we go. 40 00:02:53.960 --> 00:02:59.599 Here's the plot. So we start by getting introduced to Indiana Jones, 41 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:01.800 who is an archaeology professor, who goes, oh, whoops, I did 42 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:07.080 not start the timer. So again, the the inmates are in control. 43 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:09.280 I should stop making that joke because I have actually been an inmate. Uh 44 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:13.199 not well not no, that's that's totally the wrong thing to say. I 45 00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:16.280 have gone, you know what we're gonna I'm not look Will is giving me. 46 00:03:16.400 --> 00:03:20.840 I was thinking about it more as the Grippy Socks vacation place, which 47 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:23.240 I have been into. But no Will, I've not I've been arrested, 48 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:28.520 but that not gone to prison. So um, well, okay, we're 49 00:03:29.520 --> 00:03:34.719 the key here. I had a misspent youth. Good back in the hockey, 50 00:03:34.759 --> 00:03:38.520 all right, welcome back, skipping all ahead. Matthew Carroll is listening 51 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:39.599 to this and tearing at his hair, going, what the hell did I 52 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:43.800 do giving my podcast to these lunatics. But here you go, here is 53 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:49.319 your shot. So we're introduced to Indiana Jones. We are in South America 54 00:03:49.439 --> 00:03:53.919 and he it is the nineteen thirties, and uh, he is going into 55 00:03:53.919 --> 00:03:58.159 this system of caves looking for an ancient relic. And to get to this 56 00:03:58.199 --> 00:04:01.280 ancient relic, he has to go through tre apps and figure out puzzles. 57 00:04:01.439 --> 00:04:04.879 And it's basically like if it looks like a video game, it kind of 58 00:04:05.039 --> 00:04:09.159 is, but really, more than anything, it is a nineteen thirties cereal. 59 00:04:09.240 --> 00:04:12.319 It's very much a tribute to those nineteen thirties cereals that are parents or 60 00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:15.960 are grandparents. Some of you are really young or your great grandparents may have 61 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:19.839 watched his kids. Anyway, he gets betrayed by his native guide, who's 62 00:04:19.839 --> 00:04:23.319 played by Alfred Molina. By the way, we'll talk about that kind of 63 00:04:23.360 --> 00:04:27.079 stuff. In a bit, he gets betrayed. There are traps that go 64 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:31.439 off, he barely escapes, and he runs into this French archaeologist named Oh 65 00:04:31.439 --> 00:04:33.120 God, I can't remember his name now I had it written now, but 66 00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:36.879 it's two minutes I can say it. French archaeologist who steals the thing back 67 00:04:36.879 --> 00:04:41.279 home. He's a professor of archaeology. All the girls love him, and 68 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:45.879 turns out that people have found out that the Nazis are looking for the Ark 69 00:04:45.920 --> 00:04:48.680 of the Covenant. He has the Covenant of the Ten Commandments, which of 70 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:51.839 course was to be very powerful in battle. So we go to Egypt. 71 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:56.920 We first we go to Mongolia and he hooks up with someone who's the daughter 72 00:04:56.959 --> 00:05:00.079 of his mentor, who apparently he was having a relationship with when he and 73 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:03.319 she was pretty damn young. We'll talk more about that later. Jets off 74 00:05:03.399 --> 00:05:08.560 to Egypt, has all sorts of crazy adventures in Egypt, trying to get 75 00:05:08.600 --> 00:05:12.040 into the tomb as well as to stop the Nazis from getting the arc. 76 00:05:12.480 --> 00:05:15.759 He keeps succeeding, but at Bellock that's the name of the French trick yeologists. 77 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:18.319 He keeps having successes, but then they keep going against him. He 78 00:05:18.439 --> 00:05:21.879 figures out the puzzle. He figures out he finds the arc, but then 79 00:05:21.879 --> 00:05:26.399 they get captured. He threatens to blow up the arc unless he gets the 80 00:05:26.439 --> 00:05:30.439 girl back, but it turns out he's not willing to do that, so 81 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:33.800 him and the girl get tied up and watch as the Nazis open up the 82 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:39.240 arc, at which point, basically the wrath of God comes down upon Indiana 83 00:05:39.639 --> 00:05:43.839 comes down upon the Nazis destroys them all, with Indiana Jones not having done 84 00:05:43.839 --> 00:05:46.720 anything to make it happen, and we're done. So that's the shot. 85 00:05:47.240 --> 00:05:54.759 What did I miss? What did you miss? A couple of them plots 86 00:05:54.800 --> 00:06:00.240 that I skipped out on. I mean, there's like nuances, but as 87 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:05.480 far as the plot is concerned, um oh, I guess the fact that 88 00:06:05.519 --> 00:06:12.120 he was hired by the government to do this, yep um. But other 89 00:06:12.160 --> 00:06:17.839 than no, I think that was pretty solid. Um. You got all 90 00:06:17.839 --> 00:06:24.600 the locations, you got, you highlighted the betrayals. You got Doctor Octopus. 91 00:06:26.800 --> 00:06:29.839 I think I said Mongolia when it's Nepal. For some reason, little 92 00:06:29.920 --> 00:06:32.000 Kidney thought it was Nepal. I thought it was Mongolia. But he is 93 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:36.639 actually in Nepal that he goes and finds Marian Marian is she's now, you 94 00:06:36.639 --> 00:06:40.319 know, a woman in her late twenties, I think, but the implication 95 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:43.480 is definitely that she was probably, like she said that was just a child. 96 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:46.439 I think she was supposed to be like sixteen or seventeen. Uh, 97 00:06:46.720 --> 00:06:53.720 you know, which is fine in you know it's it's I'm going to talk 98 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:56.680 more about this in a Superhero Ethics episode. I'll just kind of get it 99 00:06:56.680 --> 00:07:00.120 out of the way quickly. There's a lot of ways in this This movie 100 00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:03.519 and some of the others haven't aged that well, in part because they were 101 00:07:03.560 --> 00:07:06.920 trying to echo back to the movies of the thirties. We are white people 102 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:13.319 going off to explore the quote unquote exotic lands. Was the story you told? 103 00:07:14.360 --> 00:07:16.519 It's not the best. There's a line where he's literally taking an ancient 104 00:07:16.560 --> 00:07:19.319 relic out of where it's supposed to be and says, this belongs in a 105 00:07:19.439 --> 00:07:24.319 museum. It means instead of some collector having it, but the idea that 106 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:27.560 maybe it should just stay with the people who made it and worship it. 107 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:31.839 Well, anyway, we'll talk about that more in Superherothics. There there are 108 00:07:31.839 --> 00:07:35.519 some ways in which those things and again, oh, he's just a lovable 109 00:07:35.560 --> 00:07:40.560 scamp who had a relationship with this girl when she was maybe sixteen, maybe 110 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:44.399 eighteen, we don't know exactly, but clearly she has some feelings for it. 111 00:07:44.480 --> 00:07:47.319 But in true adventure style is Harrison Ford. So by the end she's 112 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:51.240 kissing him happily and life goes on. So what did you think of this 113 00:07:51.439 --> 00:07:59.839 movie? Overall? Let's see, Okay, for a forty year old movie, 114 00:08:00.439 --> 00:08:09.920 it is amazing how it has lasted, like references and iconic scenes there. 115 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:15.519 When you think of Indiana Jones and you think of like amazing Indiana Jones 116 00:08:15.560 --> 00:08:18.800 scene, almost all of those things that come to mind are from the first 117 00:08:18.839 --> 00:08:24.079 movie or from this movie. Yeah, and so the influence of this movie 118 00:08:26.279 --> 00:08:35.720 culturally is cannot be understated. But I don't know if I would venture to 119 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:39.799 say that it's a good movie. Although for a movie, a movie that 120 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:43.480 came out in nineteen eighty one, for it to be just shy of two 121 00:08:43.480 --> 00:08:48.759 hours long is equally impressive. I actually assumed when I was gonna, when 122 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:52.519 I pulled it up to watch for this, that it was going to be 123 00:08:52.639 --> 00:08:56.200 like an eighty five ninety minute movie, because it was like all old movies 124 00:08:56.240 --> 00:09:01.480 are super short. But no, this. I mean, this went for 125 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:09.120 a good minute, and I the like damsel and distressed thing gets old after 126 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:16.879 about fifteen minutes. But I don't know, it's it's easy too, it's 127 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:20.440 easy to just say that it's a movie of its time. I mean, 128 00:09:20.799 --> 00:09:28.720 yeah, you know, standards and hum ethics in the nineteen early nineteen eighties 129 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:35.639 are very different from how they are now in the twenty twenties. And again 130 00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:37.679 we'll talk about them more in the other podcast. Yeah, I have to 131 00:09:37.720 --> 00:09:41.279 say, I and maybe it's because I still approach it with this childlike wonder 132 00:09:41.320 --> 00:09:45.159 because I saw this movie when I was six years old, probably, and 133 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:48.360 I just thought Indiana Jones was the coolest guy in the universe. And I 134 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:52.200 was always a Han Solo guy, not a Luke Skywalker guy, which is 135 00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:54.519 probably also part of why I loved it, And just everything from the hat 136 00:09:54.600 --> 00:10:00.159 and the whip to the adventures to you know, this is a ste Even 137 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:03.200 Spielberg movie. But George Lucas, I think didn't. He wrote the idea 138 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:07.879 of the stories for most of them, and then an actual writer took over 139 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:11.480 writing the dialogue, which is a pretty much the best way to do a 140 00:10:11.519 --> 00:10:13.919 George Lucas project. I think most people would agree. And it's funny how 141 00:10:13.960 --> 00:10:18.120 you see, I find myself seeing a lot of the same elements. Like 142 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:22.480 you call her a damsel in distress, and I think by modern standards she 143 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:26.879 somewhat is. But she's a heck of a lot more badass and very much 144 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:33.039 like Princess Leiah in a New Hope. She's much more involved and like she 145 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:35.519 has a couple of lines that are basically the equivalent of into the Shoot, 146 00:10:35.600 --> 00:10:39.440 into the Garbage, Shoot Flyboy. I think one of my favorite moments of 147 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:41.799 hers is when they're in the middle of this fight where they're shooting up her 148 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:46.960 bar and this big keg of beer probably or whiskey maybe has been shot and 149 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:50.080 there's a stream of it coming out and she's in the middle of like dodging 150 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:52.960 bullets, and she goes over and like takes a long drink and then get 151 00:10:54.039 --> 00:10:56.759 back to shooting. Man's like, that's a badass character, I thought, 152 00:10:56.879 --> 00:11:01.399 because she did that right after she grabbed something that was on fire, I 153 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:07.600 thought she was going to torch the guy behind the bar, and then next 154 00:11:07.639 --> 00:11:09.519 time it shows her she just knocks him out, and I was like, 155 00:11:09.559 --> 00:11:13.960 Oh, she was just thirsty Okay, Yeah, it's it's it's a lot 156 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:18.679 of fun. It's a lot of fun watching it. And we get introduced 157 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:22.399 to her in a drinking contest where she out drinks you know, large Nepalese 158 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:30.240 guy. Which it's interesting me how many how much of this movie is set 159 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:33.399 pieces? You know, we don't get a lot of like cutting back and 160 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:37.039 forth between things. We have the scene in the bar, and then Indie 161 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:39.240 in the bar, and then the fight in the bar, and then we 162 00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:45.159 cut to the Nazis and it again. I didn't grow up watching these movies, 163 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:46.360 but I've I've read a lot about them. I've seen some of them 164 00:11:46.399 --> 00:11:50.360 put together like a YouTube. I think it does a really good job of 165 00:11:50.440 --> 00:11:56.080 recreating that idea of the serialized story, where you know, you go watch 166 00:11:56.200 --> 00:11:58.200 twenty minutes of it every Saturday morning or a half hour of it every Saturday 167 00:11:58.240 --> 00:12:03.120 morning, and that's why you get like a fight scene, uh, you 168 00:12:03.159 --> 00:12:07.279 know, you get like a very interesting, important scene that's all kind of 169 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:11.080 self contained for about ten or fifteen minutes each time. Yeah. Um, 170 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:16.919 so I'm not a movie buff, but so like I can't speak to like 171 00:12:16.279 --> 00:12:20.639 other movies of the early eighties and stuff like that. However, Comma um. 172 00:12:22.120 --> 00:12:30.840 Two things that stood out to me about this movie are the like the 173 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:35.320 use of the camera, Like there's there's so many scenes of like the camera 174 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:43.600 behind a screen h and showing characters where where like their eye is highlighted or 175 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:48.639 their face is the only thing that's lit up. Um and just like using 176 00:12:48.840 --> 00:12:54.279 using sets to highlight this, that and the other, or using shadow, 177 00:12:56.159 --> 00:13:00.840 Like when Indie first gets to the bar, he's his for whatever reason, 178 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:07.960 there's a light source behind him and his iconic hat silhouette is plastered up on 179 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:11.080 the wall in front of Marion, and that's that's how he enters the scene. 180 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:13.720 And like, so they do a lot of that. I don't know 181 00:13:13.759 --> 00:13:20.159 if this is unique to this movie or if that's just what they were doing 182 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:22.600 in movies at the time. That's why I like, I'm like, I'm 183 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:26.879 not a movie buff, but it seemed like it was new. It felt 184 00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:33.159 new, even though I'm watching it forty years later. Yeah, and I'm 185 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:35.919 guessing, I'm guessing some of that is the trope, you know, like 186 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:39.080 aning out of Jones. For example, the first time we see him, 187 00:13:39.480 --> 00:13:43.000 the first thing we kind of hear of him is the crack of the whip 188 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:46.360 and see you know, his face come out of the shadow and talking him 189 00:13:46.360 --> 00:13:54.799 out that scene where that scene where it's his shadow over Marion as he kind 190 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:58.159 of walks back into her bar. That felt the most like, Okay, 191 00:13:58.240 --> 00:14:01.120 you're you're doing storytelling now through the shadow, because that's very much about how 192 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:05.960 he has cast this shadow over her life. And she talks about how she 193 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:07.799 went all the way across the world to get away from him and now she 194 00:14:07.840 --> 00:14:11.240 can't even get away from him. The reason he's gone to her is because 195 00:14:11.720 --> 00:14:16.600 her father, who was this other great archaeologist, he had found this amulet 196 00:14:16.679 --> 00:14:20.519 that would they basically had carvings on it. That the whole idea is that 197 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:24.000 if they could find this secret city that was em buried by the sand, 198 00:14:26.759 --> 00:14:31.200 this amulet with as followed the specific instructions that are on it, and go 199 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:35.480 to this specific place that's being excavated, it'll tell you where exactly the arc 200 00:14:35.559 --> 00:14:39.159 is. Because at the end of the day, this is really about archaeology. 201 00:14:39.240 --> 00:14:43.840 It's all about, you know, trying to figure out where to dig 202 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:46.279 to find this element, and the Nazis are just digging everywhere, and our 203 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:50.600 heroes are trying to both kind of subvert them and also do what they can 204 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:56.120 to you know, find it themselves. Right. Another thing that stood out 205 00:14:56.399 --> 00:15:03.000 was the sound design of like the punches. There's so much base in every 206 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:05.399 single strike. It was, Yeah, it's a lot of fun to listen 207 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:13.240 to. It felt to me like the equivalent of the Batman sixty six or 208 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:16.639 like a comic book where you could it was like you could hear pow and 209 00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:22.159 just like every time a body hits, every time a body hits the floor. 210 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:28.600 And there was one scream that like, there are a couple of times 211 00:15:30.279 --> 00:15:33.759 yeah that I don't know that name, but that maybe yet let me explain 212 00:15:33.759 --> 00:15:35.799 to you what I mean. There was like a couple of times people fall 213 00:15:35.879 --> 00:15:41.720 over railings or people fall a long distance, and the scream they give sounds 214 00:15:41.759 --> 00:15:46.120 exactly like what happens when an Imperial soldier screams as he falls. Ian raiders 215 00:15:46.639 --> 00:15:52.600 not raiders of the Jedi, recurring to the Jedi. Yeah that's yeah, 216 00:15:52.639 --> 00:15:58.799 that's the Wilhelm scream. Though it's like it's it's a industry staple at this 217 00:15:58.840 --> 00:16:03.799 point, and it was the first one to do it was that stormtrooper in 218 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:08.639 like New Hope or whatever, and it just got dubbed as the Wilhelm Scream, 219 00:16:08.720 --> 00:16:14.240 and it is everywhere it's in. I think it gets used in every 220 00:16:14.240 --> 00:16:22.879 single Star Wars media and then it shows up in other movies and TV shows 221 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:25.720 and whenever it pops up, I always pointed out to my wife and she's 222 00:16:25.759 --> 00:16:30.159 like, yeah, yeah, I get it. It's but it's it's so 223 00:16:30.399 --> 00:16:36.720 iconic and it really stands out so like the one in Lost Arc it's just 224 00:16:36.879 --> 00:16:41.000 this guy falling off of one vehicle onto another. Yeah, Like it's so 225 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:47.480 extreme of just wow. And I gotta say, also, the music this 226 00:16:47.519 --> 00:16:51.159 isn't John Williams, I think is mostly remembered for Star Wars, and there's 227 00:16:51.159 --> 00:16:52.879 a lot of similarities to this in Star Wars, but he also did these 228 00:16:52.919 --> 00:16:59.240 movies. He did Superman, and it's just like I think you could. 229 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:00.679 I think there's an argument you made that. Again, it sounds a little 230 00:17:00.799 --> 00:17:06.200 dated, but in this setting it just works so well. It just captures 231 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:11.839 the spookiness, the fear when they're surrounded by the snakes or they think they're 232 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:15.720 going to be trapped, and then there's the epic moments of the dad. 233 00:17:15.240 --> 00:17:18.759 You know, it looks like everyone's gonna work out. Yeah, Yeah, 234 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:27.480 just the use of horns and how flexible just the brass section of an orchestra 235 00:17:27.559 --> 00:17:33.400 can be is amazing. So it actually reminds me, like I know that 236 00:17:33.519 --> 00:17:37.279 some of these movies this is I think back in the Silent era, but 237 00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:40.599 like there would be times where people would show these movies with an orchestra actually 238 00:17:40.640 --> 00:17:42.839 there to play it live, to play the music live, which is kind 239 00:17:42.839 --> 00:17:47.000 of awesome. So let's talk about a couple of the characters. Where'd you 240 00:17:47.000 --> 00:17:49.359 think of Indiana Jones himself? By the way, I do want to say 241 00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:55.599 this movie is now often referred to as Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the 242 00:17:55.640 --> 00:17:59.839 Lost Arc. That is false. The name of this movie is Raiders the 243 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:03.519 Stark, but Indiana Jones is the Starkey's we were talking about what do you 244 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:11.200 think of Indy? Um, It's felt it felt like they knew what they 245 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:17.640 wanted in well, okay, they knew there's they knew that they wanted Indy 246 00:18:17.759 --> 00:18:22.359 to be an iconic character, but I don't know if they truly figured out 247 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:26.400 yet, like what part of his character did they want to lean into, 248 00:18:26.559 --> 00:18:32.720 Like was he going to be the amazing Um? I don't want to say 249 00:18:32.720 --> 00:18:37.960 Tube Rater because that's another license. But like the the the Amazing Explorer that 250 00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:44.839 that uh is able to U put two and two together and solve the puzzles 251 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:52.559 or is he going to be um the ladies man, uh suave, laid 252 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:57.640 back, But then at the same time, he's also awkward about it, 253 00:18:57.839 --> 00:19:03.440 like, yeah, it was, it's it's fun, and it's it's a 254 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:08.759 great I think it's a great first look. I think there's I think there's 255 00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:15.559 enough about him that people obviously want more. And forty years later they're still 256 00:19:15.599 --> 00:19:26.799 making Indiana Jones movies. But it it's so strange because the first his like 257 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:33.279 introduction scene is super serious until he gets until he's running away and you have 258 00:19:33.559 --> 00:19:37.839 just his like start the play, start the play, and he's like and 259 00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:42.519 dust is eternally falling off his jacket. And then he has like, I 260 00:19:42.559 --> 00:19:52.680 hate snakes, which becomes just the most quotable Indiana Jones quote ever. And 261 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:57.599 then you're like, oh, so he's not action hero, he's he's kind 262 00:19:57.599 --> 00:20:03.920 of funny. Yeah, I don't know, it was I don't personally identify 263 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:11.359 with them, but I think he's a fun watch. I hear you're saying, 264 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:14.039 I think he's it is interesting how they're trying to do a couple of 265 00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:18.240 things with him, and I my understanding is it's very much in the idea 266 00:20:18.440 --> 00:20:22.400 of you know, in the nineteenth century you had all these stories in the 267 00:20:22.400 --> 00:20:26.640 British press about these great explorers who are both in theory, like you know, 268 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:32.559 very academic men, great archaeologists and studies of culture. But who would 269 00:20:32.640 --> 00:20:34.599 go into you know, And again I'm using the phrase that be used in 270 00:20:37.279 --> 00:20:40.720 irony very much intended. I'm using the phrase that would be used then, 271 00:20:41.599 --> 00:20:45.119 you know, the darkest heart of Africa or the depths of the Jungles, 272 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:48.119 you know, and they would have all these adventures, and they would be 273 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:52.200 chased by wild animals and by natives and all these things. And so I 274 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:56.920 think this, this mythology came out of the like adventurer scholar, you know, 275 00:20:56.960 --> 00:21:00.359 who somehow had time to learn eight different language is and sword fighting and 276 00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:07.640 whip using and Indiana is as I understand it, one half that. But 277 00:21:07.759 --> 00:21:11.359 also when this all started, Spielberg wanted to make a James Bond movie, 278 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:14.880 Like that was his original idea. It was a be kind of the international 279 00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:18.680 man of mystery who was jet setting all around the world and so him and 280 00:21:18.759 --> 00:21:22.599 Lucas came together and kind of put those two ideas and that's what they got. 281 00:21:22.079 --> 00:21:30.079 And I feel like you're right. It works. In later movies, 282 00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:36.240 I think they settle more into him being primarily that adventurer person who also was 283 00:21:36.319 --> 00:21:38.920 very scholarly and somehow always knows the local language no matter what it is. 284 00:21:41.200 --> 00:21:47.240 But it's and the ladies man part is funny too, because he again gives 285 00:21:47.240 --> 00:21:52.359 me such han solo vibes. It's very much that same scoundrel with a secret 286 00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:55.680 heart of gold, although in this word we don't really ever see the secret 287 00:21:55.680 --> 00:21:57.559 heart of gold as much except that you know, he utterly hates Nazis, 288 00:21:57.640 --> 00:22:02.920 which is I think maybe kind of show like, Yeah, if you want 289 00:22:02.960 --> 00:22:07.319 to have like the absolute worst villain to whom we can justify anything being done 290 00:22:07.359 --> 00:22:14.039 because they're literal Nazis trying to steal something. Yeah, I tell you what 291 00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:15.279 we're saying. I think they kind of I'll do the whole you know, 292 00:22:15.319 --> 00:22:19.599 I've done the whole thing. Yeah, And so I think these movies, 293 00:22:19.640 --> 00:22:22.400 in a later movie, they're not fighting against Nazis, and frankly, I 294 00:22:22.440 --> 00:22:26.880 think that's kind of the problem. Is like the Nazis were just the best 295 00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:30.519 villains. And again for the nineteen thirties kind of serial stuff, this idea 296 00:22:30.599 --> 00:22:33.680 of like this one American who's off by himself doing everything he can to stop 297 00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:38.079 the Nazis is just really fun. I as you said, I did some 298 00:22:38.119 --> 00:22:42.960 more research and talk to some people. Even by the archaeological ethic standards of 299 00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:49.440 the nineteen thirties, this person would have some major problems. You're supposed to 300 00:22:49.440 --> 00:22:53.119 at least have some pretense of how you're getting things done. But again that's 301 00:22:53.119 --> 00:22:56.920 the official and we know that wasn't always the case. So maybe you would 302 00:22:56.920 --> 00:23:00.839 be completely within the bonds of how they did things. Who knows. Yeah, 303 00:23:00.839 --> 00:23:11.200 it felt like a director discretion that when the Nazis had the ARC boxed 304 00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:17.480 up in the plane, the ARC just decided to burn the Nazi label and 305 00:23:18.119 --> 00:23:23.519 that's it. Yeah, it felt really out of place. Yeah, it's 306 00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:26.720 it's the ARC Star and New assert itself. All right, So yeah, 307 00:23:26.799 --> 00:23:30.519 let's talk about that. That's kind of I'm a guffin of the whole thing. 308 00:23:30.920 --> 00:23:33.319 And uh, what do you think of how that story played out? 309 00:23:36.640 --> 00:23:42.319 Um? So conceptually, big picture, I love um, I always I 310 00:23:42.640 --> 00:23:49.759 get sucked in when you take religious myth or um story. I don't want 311 00:23:49.759 --> 00:23:56.759 to be completely disrespectful, but when he takes story and translated into how the 312 00:23:56.799 --> 00:24:00.519 real world works. Uh, and so to have you know, the mcguffin 313 00:24:00.640 --> 00:24:06.920 being the Arc and the Covenant and then so uh INDI's explanation, it's just 314 00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:10.720 like, yeah, this is its story, it's you know, it's religious. 315 00:24:11.160 --> 00:24:15.160 Uh. Use and what the tool was and then how it gets interpreted 316 00:24:17.119 --> 00:24:22.160 to history. Uh. And then the hands that it changed and all of 317 00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:27.039 its placements and stuff. That's a lot of fun. And yeah, so 318 00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:34.480 going and getting the arc. What I guess doesn't make sense to me is 319 00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:41.359 that the arc was used as what carried the Ten Commandments, but it's also 320 00:24:42.799 --> 00:24:51.519 a turret or a tesla coil. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. 321 00:24:52.160 --> 00:24:56.400 Um. But that's fine. It's it's it's it's it's weird, but 322 00:24:56.519 --> 00:25:00.680 it's fine. And there, I mean, we can't blame the writers this 323 00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:04.519 movie. That's just straight from the Bible. Like the idea that this the 324 00:25:04.799 --> 00:25:10.039 arc held the Covenant, but that as you said, they were the ones 325 00:25:10.039 --> 00:25:12.240 that were broken, and there's various different mythologies about it. But this idea 326 00:25:12.319 --> 00:25:17.680 that the the Israelites carried with them as a weapon of war, and that 327 00:25:17.799 --> 00:25:22.519 when God's wrath was brought down. And yet, to me as a biblical 328 00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:26.039 scholar, like because a part of me that wants to tear my hair out, 329 00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:30.160 but I'm always because but it's always it. It's it's fun to me 330 00:25:30.319 --> 00:25:33.680 when you know, most of the scholarship, even by the nineteen thirties, 331 00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:38.400 but especially today, has really moved away from kind of literal interpretations of many 332 00:25:38.440 --> 00:25:44.400 of these stories and fact actually, the archaeological record has proven that the many 333 00:25:44.440 --> 00:25:48.480 stories are very much definitely not not true, but our myth. And again 334 00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:51.920 I'm a person of faith. They're very powerful myths. But I kind of 335 00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:55.519 love when like, like a lot of Marvel movies or a lot of other 336 00:25:55.599 --> 00:26:00.720 supernatural movies that are very much not Christian movies. They're what they wind up 337 00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:06.240 taking Christian mythology or in Jewish mythology very much as literal, you know, 338 00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:10.039 and so like in Supernatural that's a bad example, but a lot of other 339 00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:14.720 things, the angels and Lucifer are exactly as they are told in like early 340 00:26:14.799 --> 00:26:18.880 Christian writings and stuff like that. And so we've never had a movie where 341 00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:23.599 the angel looks like an actual biblical angel because it's horrifying and like raise and 342 00:26:23.680 --> 00:26:29.559 many arms and many wings and that kind of thing. But yeah, so 343 00:26:29.559 --> 00:26:30.359 there's a part of me that could rolls my eyes a bit at that, 344 00:26:30.440 --> 00:26:34.920 but it is really fun. And I do you know, if God's vengeance 345 00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:37.160 is ever going to come down and smite people, it's going to be the 346 00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:42.240 Nazis. So I do kind of like that part even if And well, 347 00:26:42.640 --> 00:26:47.079 here this gets into one of the great questions that's raised about this movie. 348 00:26:47.880 --> 00:26:52.960 It has been posited by a number of people that if Indiana Jones never travels 349 00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:59.240 to Egypt, one or two things happens. Either A the Nazis just never 350 00:26:59.319 --> 00:27:03.240 find it, So basically the same ending, except a couple of Nazis don't 351 00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:07.480 wind up dead, or B the Nazis find it, they open it, 352 00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:14.440 and everybody does. Is Andyetta Jones necessary in any way for this story? 353 00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:32.000 Oh man, that's amazing, right, Okay, yes, damn, I'm 354 00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:34.920 trying to justify it, like I'm going through like the story points. I 355 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:37.519 was like, well, you know, if Indy wasn't there, then they 356 00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:44.440 would have only then they would have gotten both sides of the Ambulet to tell 357 00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:48.880 them exactly how tall to make the staff. But that means they just get 358 00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:56.839 to the arc faster, which just means they die faster. But I guess 359 00:27:56.960 --> 00:28:06.640 the one hiccup that is not that big of a hiccup is Um, the 360 00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:14.440 the Nazi general Um that that Bellack is working with, Um plans to use 361 00:28:14.480 --> 00:28:18.799 it for him for himself and not even get it to Hitler. Right, 362 00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:29.640 So and he dies anyway, so yeah, and maybe he's not needed there, 363 00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:33.640 right But I think at one point they blow up a plane and I 364 00:28:34.599 --> 00:28:37.680 think it like Bellack, who's the French archeologist, and he's kind of a 365 00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:41.039 fun character because he clearly doesn't like the Nazis. They're just sponsoring him. 366 00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:45.680 He's doing this all for the glory. Uh, and he tries to romance 367 00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:51.759 Mary in some very interesting scenes. Um. But like there's a plane there 368 00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:56.200 to fly the arc directly to Berlin. Yeah, so I think it's possible 369 00:28:56.720 --> 00:29:00.400 that if Indy doesn't interfere, it gets taken right to Berlin and possibly a 370 00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:04.200 lot of German high command, maybe even Hitler himself get killed. So Andy 371 00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:11.359 might have made everything worse. Yeah, how dare you again? I love 372 00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:14.039 the movie. I just think this is kind of a fun, ridiculous thing 373 00:29:14.039 --> 00:29:17.680 to point out that, like, there's a lot of great adventures that happened, 374 00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:18.880 and you can who you know, you can what if in all sorts 375 00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:22.480 of ways, but there is one. It's kind of the equivalent of the 376 00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:26.200 Darth jar Jar kind of ideas. You know, you know, there's a 377 00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:30.519 way to view the movie in which nothing Indiana Jones does in any way significant. 378 00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:36.200 That's so oh my gosh, oh that's so right, because oh no, 379 00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:42.119 yeah, because oh man, like I'm sorry, I broke your brain, 380 00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:47.559 because and that's kind of the thing. And I feel like because of 381 00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:55.279 that, you know, movie writers have learned and so so they make it 382 00:29:55.319 --> 00:30:00.720 so the mcguffin has to be turned against the bad guy is to kill them, 383 00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:03.880 and that's how the hero interferes. But the hero was tied up for 384 00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:08.000 this and just let it happen. I mean, I think it's just one 385 00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:12.640 of the only times I'm perfectly happy to see a quite literal D S X 386 00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:21.319 machina, Like that's exactly what happens. Yeah, yeah, wow, interesting, 387 00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:33.400 right dang well maybe okay, maybe gonna be the Temple of Doom will 388 00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:38.400 be more interfery yet because I haven't seen he definitely plays a very big role 389 00:30:38.440 --> 00:30:41.880 in the plot. Don't worry about that. And we're I'm really excited for 390 00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:45.319 that one because Ashley and Bill, the hosts of Actually in Bill's Terror Theater, 391 00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:48.599 are going to talk to me about that because that's basically like this is 392 00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:55.279 half adventure movie, half kind of scholarly research movie. That's half adventure movie 393 00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:59.519 half horror movie. So we're gonna have a conversation about that one. Um 394 00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:03.279 let's kind of do We talked for a little bit and we're gonna kind of 395 00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:07.079 go into our last two sections bottom bottom shelf and top shelf. So bottom 396 00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:10.759 shelf, what are some of the things that that didn't really work for you 397 00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:14.359 about the movie or that you didn't love? And I'll start with I love 398 00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:18.920 the idea of it and I love and it's at six years old, watching 399 00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:23.279 the Faces of the Nazis' melt off was pretty damn awesome, and even probably 400 00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:27.640 at twelve and eighteen, and I think for it's time, those effects were 401 00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:34.279 great. Those effects have not aged well like that was like I think all 402 00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:40.240 this stuff with the spirits flying around that has aged amazingly. But the scenes 403 00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:45.759 of them all dying was a little silly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 404 00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:49.640 it's definitely a product of its time. But it's it looks it still looks 405 00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:55.359 not terrible. Yeah, I'll give them that. And I guess they probably 406 00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:57.079 had to make it look kind of a bit over the top and silly because 407 00:31:57.200 --> 00:32:01.240 or else it's just horrific to right, So yeah that is the best. 408 00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:06.720 What are you? What are some of your bottom shelf moments? But um 409 00:32:06.759 --> 00:32:13.839 so, Egyptian mythology is my second favorite mythology. Um And uh, this 410 00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:20.960 is the only time I've seen a statue of a Nubis where he's like act 411 00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:25.680 open mouth attacking the air right as a statue. That's the statue that they 412 00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:32.000 find right when they open up the cave of the arc and where Salah the 413 00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:36.680 um the Arab guide who once again is played by oh white guy John R. 414 00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:42.160 Davies. Uh so it pulls back in fear. Yeah, um so, 415 00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:45.960 just from a personal bias standpoint, I did I don't like that design 416 00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:55.279 of a NuBus of a Nubis statue. Um But yeah, honestly, surprisingly, 417 00:32:55.319 --> 00:33:00.000 not a whole lot of bottom shelf stuff for me. Like it's it's 418 00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:05.799 just kind of it's just a fun ride. Yeah, including the Disneyland ride. 419 00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:07.799 Yeah, for sure, for sure. I think there's as I said, 420 00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:12.680 there's some things that just haven't aged well in terms of the Rachel stuff 421 00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:15.119 and the gender stuff. But but that's just yeah. I think you just 422 00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:16.920 if you can just put that aside and go, you know what, this 423 00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:21.640 is a fun movie of its time and still love it. Um. I 424 00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:24.200 don't think if there was anything else bottom shelfy to me, I didn't think 425 00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:31.839 that the So somehow Indiana got to this place in South America where he goes 426 00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:37.799 looking for this statue and now this guy is waiting with a plane to fly 427 00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:43.440 him out. So I think this guy probably flew him in. So how 428 00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:45.519 did he not notice the snake in the plane? That? Like, it 429 00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:47.200 gives us a great moment of like, oh my god, there's a snake 430 00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:51.920 in the plane. Oh my god, did this inspire snakes on the plane? 431 00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:55.759 I hadn't even thought of that. No, no, not, how 432 00:33:55.880 --> 00:34:02.519 dare you? It isn't. But anyway, yeah, I thought that moment 433 00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:06.920 was a little silly, but overall, yeah, there's so much good here. 434 00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:09.360 Um. I'll start it with one of my top shelf then, sorry, 435 00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:14.280 I do I do have one other bottom show for it. In that 436 00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:19.840 chase scene, there's a guy, one of the natives, shoots a boat, 437 00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:25.599 shoots his arrow just up like like Indie runs down and this and this 438 00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:30.679 guy is one of the first of the natives on the scene and he just 439 00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:36.920 goes ah and just shoots this arrow terribly and just does this rainbow arc to 440 00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:44.079 the far left. It makes no sense, but like again the movie of 441 00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:45.760 the Times, it's fine, but like, yeah, that's one of those 442 00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:49.320 things where I'm just like, oh, you could have tried a little harder, 443 00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:52.440 buddy, right, right, Look, they they went and designed all 444 00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:55.360 these great traps at least, so that was pretty awesome. Yeah. So 445 00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:59.840 one of my favorite moments, and I always forget about it how I watch 446 00:34:59.840 --> 00:35:04.840 it and I'm like, this is so good is when our main German antagonist 447 00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:09.440 hare Mocked, who got introduced in this like incredibly spooky way again walking out 448 00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:14.079 of the shadows, very spooky music, and he's just very much like German 449 00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:21.840 interrogator scary man. And later he comes into the tent where m Maryon is 450 00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:25.679 tied up and he pulls out of his I think Indies also, but maybe 451 00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:30.079 to be her much. No, it's her and bellock, and he pulls 452 00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:37.320 out of his jacket. He hands his jacket his henchman pulls out what looks 453 00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:39.480 kind of like almost like a thin version of nun Chucks. It's like these 454 00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:45.280 like two metal rods with chains in between them, and he holds it up 455 00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:49.599 kind of threateningly, and then he folds it once or twice, and it's 456 00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:52.360 a hanger, like with him at hanger so that someone can hang up his 457 00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:55.880 cape. And I'm like, that is the most evil, evil, evil 458 00:35:57.239 --> 00:36:02.320 move I have ever seen. Viraled, So I mentally spiraled after that because 459 00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:07.800 who does that? But then because like so it's it's a it's like a 460 00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:13.559 three it's like a three piece. Uh, looks like a weapon. But 461 00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:19.840 then I just spile into like if you have an entire closet full of these 462 00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:22.880 hangars, and then what kind of house do you have where you have all 463 00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:31.400 these tools of potential torture and or b DSM whips like just in the whole 464 00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:37.960 house, but they're all dual purpose and they're all just household pieces just around 465 00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:43.239 the entire house. I just I lost it. That was amazing. I 466 00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:45.719 thought it was so good and again an interesting callback, and granted this is 467 00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:51.199 far beyond where Lucas was. But maybe there's a callback, or maybe it's 468 00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:53.360 just a fun trope. It's been played in other places. But there's a 469 00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:58.119 scene in the Last Jedi where all of a sudden you cut to this like 470 00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:02.960 large metal thing that's moving and steam is coming out of it and it's dark 471 00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:06.360 behind it. You don't know, it's just like some spaceship. Is there 472 00:37:06.440 --> 00:37:10.239 some torture weapon and it's just an iron being used to iron the Imperial Soldiers 473 00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:15.079 uniforms. And I was like that these two moments are spiritually connected. I'm 474 00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:17.639 sure there eight other moments that formed the chain, but it was beautiful. 475 00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:23.280 Yeah. No, I love random scenes like that because what makes me what 476 00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:32.360 I think of conceptually is in the Avengers, but not Marvel Avengers though. 477 00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:36.360 Like there's like an old British TV show that they made a movie out of 478 00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:43.079 in the late nineties or mid nineties. Sean Connery is the bad guy and 479 00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:45.519 he walks and when they first walk up to him, when they first meet 480 00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:50.360 him, he walks up all menacingly and then there's a pause and he says 481 00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:53.920 tea and he goes and gets things some tea and it's it's that it's the 482 00:37:54.440 --> 00:37:59.559 what is the phrase? And I'm trying to think of decorum like false decorum. 483 00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:06.079 Yeah, just like the bait and switch of menacing, menacing, menacing. 484 00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:10.920 Oh, super super laid back and peaceful, yeah, but with that 485 00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.760 note of evil. Another one of my favorite top shelf moments I don't hear 486 00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:19.920 some of yours, is again about hair mocked. In that battle in the 487 00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:22.480 bar, the amulet gets thrown into the fire and that's what they're all fighting 488 00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:25.960 over, and he reaches to grab the amulet, but of course it's metal 489 00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:30.239 and it's been in the fire and so it's red hot. And all you 490 00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:32.920 see is him like hold it up for a few seconds, screaming, drop 491 00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:37.280 it, run outside and shove his hand into the snow. And then later 492 00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:42.199 we have this mystery, how do the Nazis know where to dig if they 493 00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:46.320 don't have that amulet? And we find that the amulet basically was burned into 494 00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:52.360 this guy's hand, and the plot twist is that they but that the other 495 00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:55.320 side of the amulet has more information that they don't have, and so that's 496 00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:58.599 why they're digging in the wrong place. And I just thought that was such 497 00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:01.880 a great little like it's an adventure movie, and there's fight scenes, but 498 00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:06.960 it's also we are having fun with archaeology and mysteries and things, right, 499 00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:13.400 And it wasn't it wasn't explicitly shown like the revelation of the scar forming and 500 00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:16.039 and all this stuff is just it just down the line. The Nazis have 501 00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:19.719 been up to stuff. This is what happened. Moving on. Yeah, 502 00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:22.519 like it's it's not it's a it's a key plot point for the Nazis, 503 00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:27.199 but not for the story that we're telling. Yeah, it's winds his hand 504 00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:30.840 up to say the Nazi salute that. Yeah, when it happens. Yeah, 505 00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:34.599 what are you what are your top shelf moments? Oh, top shelf 506 00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:44.800 moments? Uh? Well, just the open The introduction to Indie is a 507 00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:51.079 lot of fun when he gets to the idol, like uh, how he 508 00:39:51.159 --> 00:39:54.440 approaches traps, which you don't really see much of later in the movie because 509 00:39:54.440 --> 00:40:00.400 it's moving the story along instead of introducing Indie, but like how he looks 510 00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:04.119 at a room and how he dissects it and figures out, okay, well 511 00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:08.079 don't touch the light or um oh, clearly there's pressure plates, Like why 512 00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:13.400 is it just sitting there? Something's off, like that's a lot of um, 513 00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:15.880 a lot of fun and I love puzzle solvers like that. UM. 514 00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:22.159 Another, he's very much a rogue in that way. I mean both like 515 00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:25.719 the traditional definition of the word in terms of how he treats people and being 516 00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:29.280 kind of a naar duell but also like a D and E rogue. You 517 00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:31.360 know, he spots traps. He he has with him, that bag of 518 00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:35.760 sand he can use because he figures out that it's the weight and so he 519 00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:39.719 tries to like have the exact moment. Yeah. Perfect, we referenced it 520 00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:47.960 earlier. But the spirits going through it's got haunted mansion vibes of that, 521 00:40:49.039 --> 00:40:55.159 like of the animation spirit, but it's an actor like super imposed on top 522 00:40:55.199 --> 00:41:00.360 of the regular screen. M that's it's it's a fun it looks good, 523 00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:07.280 it looks spooky, looks eerie. I really like that. Another favorite of 524 00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:10.719 mine. And you may not know this story some of our listeners may have 525 00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:15.159 heard already, but the I think the single greatest thing that's ever come from 526 00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:22.119 a hangover. So in the original script, India is supposed to face down 527 00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:28.159 that swordsman and have an epic sword fight with him, and the Hollywood legend 528 00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:30.840 goes, and I believe this is accurate. It certainly I've always heard it, 529 00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:34.119 but who knows, we'll get some other real story later. Is that 530 00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:39.800 Harrison Forde showed up hungover or in some versions still a little drunk and really 531 00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:43.639 didn't want to do this big sword fight, and he said, Stephen, 532 00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:47.960 how about if I just shoot the guy? And it was like that would 533 00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:52.480 be really funny, and so that's why. And so that wonderful scene of 534 00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:55.559 the sword guy going like whoa and then he just kind of like shrugging and 535 00:41:55.599 --> 00:42:00.119 shooting him was not filmed, was not scripted in the slide. That's amazing 536 00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:07.800 Harrison's improvisation on script I love that. And just again in the nineteen thirties 537 00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:13.519 Adventure Vibe, something about the red lines on the map as they travel. 538 00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:16.159 It helps you ground me. Yeah, I love that. I love a 539 00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:21.280 good map, And it felt very just the fact that they stop in various 540 00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:23.920 places, reminding you that, like, these aren't jet planes, they're not 541 00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:29.400 flying thousands of miles without stopping. Yeah, And it just helps really ground 542 00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:31.760 you and exactly where you are. And I just love it. I love 543 00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:39.519 those montages for sure. Conceptually from a story storytelling standpoint is really weird to 544 00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:46.599 say, especially on her recording, but like, there's the wonder. The 545 00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:52.679 wonder part of me is thankful that Hitler was so into the occult for some 546 00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:59.199 reason, and because it just leads to stories like this, and like it 547 00:42:59.239 --> 00:43:07.159 gets used in Marvel stories in anime all the time and TV shows just this 548 00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:12.880 side fact that Hitler was so into the occult and being able to play off 549 00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:19.840 of that and do a pseudoscience fiction story where what are some of the findings 550 00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:23.280 that Hitler would have done and how do we stop that as the good guys 551 00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:30.280 and the anti Nazi like and that that always plays off in just the most 552 00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:35.519 interesting story time ways. You could have Red Skull be the one leading this 553 00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:39.519 expedition very much that exact same, and the thing is that it's based in 554 00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:45.159 truth Hitler did. Except yeah, and people argue over whether he really believed 555 00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:47.119 in the occult or whether he was just like, look, I'll take anything 556 00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:53.119 I can get, But there definitely were Nazi teams out exploring the world trying 557 00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:58.840 to find these ancient relics, and so yeah, the idea that he's looking 558 00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:02.360 for the test Act or the Ark of the Covenant or in a later movie 559 00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:07.239 The Holy Grail or whatever it is. There's his oracal basis for that that's 560 00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:10.719 not completely ridiculous. Yeah, And because of that, like it's not even 561 00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:15.239 it's not even a storytelling trope that like, hey, let's make Hitler a 562 00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:21.599 little more interesting and make him into a cult. It's literally he was into 563 00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:27.400 the occult he was doing. He was he cared to some degree about help, 564 00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:30.599 you know, whatever he could use to win the war, which he 565 00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:40.920 didn't rut. And so like, I'm I'm thankful from a story consuming perspective 566 00:44:42.519 --> 00:44:46.360 that he was so into that because it is it has inspired so many different 567 00:44:46.360 --> 00:44:52.239 plot points like this. And it's also interesting because you know, again, 568 00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:55.280 I think many of us today think of World War Two is something that happened, 569 00:44:55.599 --> 00:44:59.719 you know, centuries and centuries and centuries ago. We're coming up on 570 00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:04.599 years we're stolen only about eighty years away from it when this movie came out 571 00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:09.039 forty years ago. This movie came out only thirty six years after World War 572 00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:14.760 Two ended. So like a lot of people who went to see this movie, 573 00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:16.800 are you know, who took their kids to the movie or their grandkids 574 00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:21.400 in this movie, like lived through World War two and maybe as kids, 575 00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:27.480 maybe even as soldiers or things like that. And it's in a way there's 576 00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:34.679 an nostalgia there of I remember fondly at the time when Nazis were so clearly 577 00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:38.480 awful, evil that we just punched them on screen and cheered instead of like 578 00:45:38.559 --> 00:45:43.119 watching them march in our streets, you know, and like what they've always 579 00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:45.800 been with us to something. There's always been neo Nazis. But I don't 580 00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:47.559 want to get all the politics of it. But it's another fun part of 581 00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:51.119 the movie, is this fun nostalgia of like, yeah, I remember when 582 00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:52.480 like the one thing we all agreed on is we should all punch Nazis. 583 00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:58.039 Nazis are terrible. There's a lot of great stuff that'll come up about um 584 00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:00.840 Indiana Jones's Antifa, which I really love, you know, because he's one 585 00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:06.159 a bunch of Nazi. But that's a whole other story as well. Matt 586 00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:07.679 Carroll again is mad that I'm getting too political, so we'll pull back from 587 00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:15.400 any other last thoughts from you on the top shelf. It's it's honestly, 588 00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:20.760 it's a fun movie. It's it is old and there are parts that did 589 00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:27.599 not age well, whether it's themes or graphics, but it's still not a 590 00:46:27.639 --> 00:46:31.679 bad movie and it's absolutely worth watching. Yeah, I think it's it's really 591 00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:36.800 fun. I think it's really fun, especially because part of why I do 592 00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:39.960 talk every now and then a little bit about the like archaeological ethics, is 593 00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:44.920 that we know from a trip Well there's a quick spoiler for a trailer for 594 00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:46.159 the newest Indiana Jones movie that's coming out, so if you don't want to 595 00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:51.159 hear it, skip ahead sixty seconds. But we know in that movie that 596 00:46:51.880 --> 00:46:53.719 his god daughter questions him on this, and it's like, how can you 597 00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:59.280 just be stealing these things from people? So I think one of the things 598 00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:02.559 that's most interesting to see about the new movie is how the writers know that 599 00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:07.480 that some parts haven't aged well, and they've they've aged them up, and 600 00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:09.079 I'm really and so it's fun to go back and see this and like, 601 00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:13.559 yeah, this movie wouldn't get made today, and that's probably a good thing, 602 00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:15.719 but damn, it's still a lot of fun. I think that's, 603 00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:17.400 you know, kind of where I come down on them. All Right, 604 00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:20.840 well, well, thank you so much. We're gonna have a rotating group 605 00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:22.760 of people through through the rest of these movies as I said, Bill and 606 00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:27.639 Ashley are coming with the next one. 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