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news in just a minute. But tonight's guest is Nick Redfern. We're going
to talk about all different types of subjects. First of all, he's got
a book. They are h negative factor in blood that has talked about in
so many experiencers cases and is very interesting. There's really a connection there.
So his new book is called Bloodline of the Gods, Unravel the mystery and
the human blood type to reveal the aliens among us. Now, Nick,
as you know most people out there knows a very prolific writer. He has
three books out. Now we're gonna be talking. We're gonna touch on a
couple of them. In the second hour. We're going to be talking about
his book Men in Black. I think that's interesting, in a couple of
other books he's done, and so that'll be coming up on a little bit.
And now we have Alo Hondro Rojas with the news. How are you
Alahndro, I'm doing good. How are you doing good? We're under the
weather, You're doing better? So yeah, and I had bad tummy,
but I have better tummy, completely healed tummy, but better. Good.
Good. You reminded me of some exciting news that is at Nick Redfern's going
to be speaking at the next UFO Congress. All right, I get to
meet him. Good. Yeah, So last week I posted at least half
of around half of our speakers that will be there, an exciting list,
and Nick Redfern is among them. So I'm really excited about that. Yeah,
he's great, Yeah, pretty cool, pretty cool. Lots of really
interesting stuff and other news. You know, last week I touched on that
Puerto Rico thing, and I don't want to bring talk about it too much
here because we already did, but I did wanted to add this interesting development,
which is that we have heard from a couple of experts who work on
those systems, are very familiar with those thermal imaging systems. In one case,
a gentleman I have been going back and forth with worked on these things
for thousands of hours. He's like a very high level maintenance person with them,
as high level as you can get. And he agrees with the analysis.
He says that what is seen in this Puerto Rican Ufo Flear image is
not a balloon, and it's nothing he's ever seen before. And his argument
for it not being a balloon especially is that it's too hot. That you
know, it's very dark in the image, which means it's a hot object
and it's way too hot, especially if you compare it to the heat signatures
that you can see of the vehicles and planes that you can see in the
background of this thing. That it's way too hot to be a balloon.
So he doesn't think it could be that. And yeah, so he agrees
with the analysis, and he says it's it's one of the strangest things he's
ever seen. He and his people around the office have been passing around and
they're all pretty taken aback by it. So yeah, some pretty positive stuff
regarding that. Really interesting, and you have your show this week is an
interview with the people that have been researching this as well. Yeah, normally
that would have gone up on Monday, but I was sick the last couple
of days in bed, rolling around in bed with fever and yuckiness. But
that is going up. That's gone up today, So yeah, I have
an interview with the two of the researchers, Robert Powell and Morgan Bale,
and we talk more about this and they give a lot of interesting background that
people don't know yet, which is a large part of all of this that
I think people are going to find terribly interesting. Great, great, So
what else is happening? What else is happening? Well, this is kind
of a funny story, and I got lucky, and as I will sometimes
when I'm looking for stories, this is a story written by Roger Marsh,
MUFON's director of communication, but he also writes for us, and it's a
story about bears. But what's funny about this has gotten the news Bears and
UFOs and I don't it just looks like the media decided to pick up on
the UFO thing because it's popular, and they said, study finds bears react
to UFOs overhead, so it really isn't bears reacting to UFOs, but it
is bears reacting to um drones. So they wanted to know how much of
a disturbance drones and things are the bears and if they would even notice,
because bears seem to not really pay attention to bugs and stuff like that.
Why bears though, I mean, there's there's thousands of different animals in the
forest. Why why why are they picking out bears to test us on.
Maybe because they're big predators that really don't have a predator that you know that
they fear, just to see what they how they would react. But they
just noticed that they have a physiological response to UFOs. And of course the
drone to them would be UFO because they don't know what the hell that thing
is flying around above them. But a kind of a funny story, and
I say I got lucky with the picture because I found his picture and it's
a real picture from this guy in Canada who was taking pictures wildlife pictures and
a bear came up. So he ran into his car and the bear,
but he left his camera on the tripad with the zoom lens and everything,
and a bear came up to his camera and stood up and looked into his
camera. So it looks like this bears looking through this camera. It's a
really funny picture. It's a cool picture but interesting enough. You know,
it's not two UFO related, but people just must love the fuzzy bears.
So actually that story did pretty well. Lots of people were looking at that
because it's kind of fun, but more down to business, okay, UFO
businesses. Roger also wrote something about a moufon report that came in and this
is three triangular UFOs that were allegedly seen by a family in Alabama. So
this guy says it was about seven pm on August tenth when he was sitting
out in the backyard and he was looking up and he sees a passenger jet
he estimated to be twenty seven to thirty thousand feet high. But then out
of the periphual of his eyes, he said he saw another object flying behind
it that seemed to be following it. He looked more closely, and he
said it looked to be like a triangular object without wings. He was so
floored by this. He called his wife and had her come out to take
a look to and they were pretty shocked by the whole thing. They then
talked to their son and told him about it, and he said, well,
look towards my house in this direction because there's a couple more. And
they said they didn't. Sure enough, they saw two more. So they
say they saw three triangular shaped UFOs. Wow. So yeah, And this
one of the witnesses. His background is working. He's worked with the army
and the military. He's had top secret clearances before and has work done a
number of different top secret type of defense projects and things. So he's a
credible person. So it doesn't seem to be a hoax. And he feels
he saw, you know, three be triangular UFOs. Now, what is
your opinion on that? In the connection to military, do you think there's
possibly something out there the military has that they're I mean, I go back
and forth on it because I don't understand they fly in populated areas if they
are testing something, But I don't know. There's so many triangle UFO sightings
it seems well, that's the hard part. I think I think we do
and we don't. For instance, in the last couple of years, there
have been some photographs taken of triangular shaped aircraft that have contrails, and they
don't appear to be stealth bombers or anything that we know of, so they
appear to be tests testing of some sort of triangular shaped plane. Now these
have contrails, which is you know, indicative of more conventional sort of propulsion
systems. When it comes to the t R three B, I've felt that,
and you know David Marler, who is now I feel an authority on
triangular aircraft, he doesn't believe that exists. There's this legend of a t
t t R three B, you know, and take gravity triangular craft,
and and I've looked into this as well, and there is no evidence,
just rumors. There was a t R I think it was a t R
three A, which was a prototype. I don't even think they built it,
but it was a like stealth technology demonstrator type of thing. It was
a concept um sort of thing. But that's it. But nothing beyond that.
So we don't have any anything beyond that. Because of course the aurora
out there, there's a lot of people that feel the Aurora is real,
and there are references to something called the Aurora, which is some sort of
um next step you know craft, and then there are other you know,
Popular Mechanics has written a lot about other possible past the SR seventy one,
you know, super stealthy fast craft that can even break orbit that are you
know, triangular shapes. So there, I'm sure the military and the private
sector are working on um, you know, top secret triangular aircraft. But
there's still a genuine mystery here because you know, if you look at David
Marler's book, he has cases going back to the eighteen hundreds of triangular shaped
craft. So so yeah, it's really hard to say, yeah, there
was a triangle sighting right over my house recently, which are really yes,
I didn't see it, and I don't have the person's permission to talk about
it really, but she drew me a picture of it and said, what
do you suppose this could be? She said, the lights didn't blink at
all, they just stayed on and you know, as a perfect triangle with
five lights. So um, so I don't know, you know, I
mean, I started going out at night to see if I could see it.
Again or whatever you know. But h but anyway, all all interesting.
Well that's probably it, and uh, I'm glad you're feeling better,
and welcome back, and thanks so much for the news today. All right,
thank you man, thanks for having me on again, and we'll talk
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Fern, welcome to the show. Well, thanks a lot, thanks having
me on. Yes, I always and I think you've been on a couple
of times before in the past, and it may be something it right.
And my god, you write a lot of books. How many books do
you write a year, Nick, Well, I guess ether twelve month.
He probably about two and a half something like that, which is a lot.
And well, well, for anyone who's you know, just from what
I hear for people who have written books, they just say there's so much
involved. And I know you do a lot of research and that that must
be you know, take up a lot of the time. Well, to
be honest, yeah, I mean the research is probably the main part,
and then the writing when you've got all the information. The writing doesn't take
too long. I mean I tend to I like to sort of work regular
as I like to do eight to five Monday to Friday. You know,
I don't like working at night or weekends. And of course if you working
eight to five, one to friday, eight hours a day, forty hours
a week, you know you can you can get a lot done in that
period. And so if you've got four or five months to write the book,
or say four months and you've got the bulky research done, it actually
works out well. It's just got to kind of structure yourself and you just
got to get down to getting it done, you know. You know,
I have a I have a friend that's been self employed forever and he does
very very well at what he does. And it's just the discipline he does.
You know, he has this beautiful cottage on a lake with sandy shore,
and he only goes there in the weekend. He he gets up every
morning, goes to work, makes a complete day by himself, working hard
all day long. That's all he does. I mean, I really can
gratulate anyone that has that type of discipline. It's really amazing. Yeah,
it's one of those things where you quickly get like a wake up call.
But if you don't do it, don't take long before you know, you
get backed up and behind on things and in the deadlines creep up on yourself.
You know, you really got to think about that and like any sort
of a self employee job project ahead as well. You know, I don't
want people to think it's just a job. You know, it's for me,
it's a passion as well. They even self if you write in and
you know you're with a publisher and they contractually give you a date to finish
it by, you've got to finish you by then whatever happens. And so
I was just going to ask you that if they actually give you a deadline
when to complete it. Now they there's some do they edit the book afterwards?
How does that like, once you give them a manuscript, you hand
it in, how long does it take before it actually hits the bookstand's that's
a good question because it depends really on what books they might have coming round
out around about the same time. For example, some publishers are quite relaxed
and they just say, hey, you know, just get it to us
when you get it done, and they don't give you a cutoff time because
they might five or six other books they're working on. So in other words,
it's not like there's going to be a gap in their publications anyway.
Now, say, for example, you like with the Bloodline of the God's
Book, which is out now. I mean, if they were putting out
another sort of agent astronaut book next month, they might well have said to
me, you know, hold up until December, because they wouldn't want to
perhaps put out two books on the same subject pretty much within the same month.
They try and stagger them. So it depends on circumstances. What else
they're publishing, you know, how many more books they've got coming out of
that month. But I mean new page you know that they prefer to have
like a structured timeline of when you're going to submit it. But most publishers,
when you submit the word documents, the amount of editing that goes on
is really dependent on, you know, what you put into the original word
document. For the most part of the books I've done, it's just been
a case of you know, asking a few questions, what does this mean?
Can you elaborate a little bit more on that, what's the source of
this? If I've forgotten to add one particular reference to the bibliography? In
other words, it's nothing. It's not Rocket sciences, you know, it's
just the sort of things you would expect that they might want to sort of
have a question about or alter. But I mean, I've never sort of
been in a position of a large scale editing, you know, where it
comes back unrecognizable or anything like that at all. It's just literally words here,
and they're not even paragraphs or chapter as you know. Yeah, well
that's good. Well, so I do want to talk about Bloodline of the
Gods, and then you know, later on we can talk about some of
your other books. But for the and also in the hour two, i'd
like to talk about your book. I've always had a fascination with the Men
in Black, you know, I'd like to talk about that. So before
we get started though on this particular book, just for the person that has
not heard you before. Most people have, but you know, just for
the person who hasn't, because since you've last been on the show, we
have a lot a lot of new listeners. So could you just give your
your background and what gets you fascinated in the topic. I know that you
know, cryptology. Crypto zoology is a big thing of yours. Yeah,
kind of ahead of UFOs if I remember as far as being a passion of
yours. That's what I remember from our podcast before. But go ahead if
you would get a back thing. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Well
what got me interest you? When I was a kid about about six my
parents still we do on a week's holiday to Scotland and we spend the day
at lot Nest and I've still got a few fragments of memories of my dad
telling me the story a lot Ness Monster and w you that kind of age,
I guess you think of things like a lot Mess Monster along lines of
you know, monsters under the bed or in the closet. You know,
it's just sort of creepy story. But then as I got to sort of
twelve thirteen, I picked up a few UFO books and being like John Key
or Brad Skiger that kind of thing, and got into it more then when
I left school in England. School leaving age in England is actually like sixteen
upward. You know, it's quite different to all. But he can leave
school at sixteen and just do what you want. And I actually wasn't that
good of a student. I was sort of pretty bad really, you know.
I was one of those ordered to sit around her and not the unfortunately.
But that's partly because I just I just wasn't a good student. I
was like a late starter, and so I suddenly went from being, you
know, a kid at school to in the big wide world. And I
was like, well, what are you going to do? And I just
didn't have an idea and actually looked around jobs that were being advertised in the
town I was living in the time, and just through pure look, there's
a new company that had been established in the same town and they were looking
to set up a new magazine called Zero, which would be for sort of
teenagers and people in the twenties, and it would be fashion, Hollywood,
celebrity stuff, gossip, interviews with TV people in rock stars, that kind
of thing. And you know, it sounded cool. It didn't sound like
a real job. You know, it didn't sound like I've got to be
stuck in working in a bank all day in a old born, old suit
and having some guy telling me what to do, you know. And so
I took the interview and got the job, and they sort of trained me
upwards from you know the basics of how to interview people, structuring articles,
how to begin an article. Also in attracts the reader's attention and pretty much
everything I needed to know about getting into the writing business. And the job
lasted a couple of years, and then I did write in freelance for a
whiles. This was when Britain was going through a recession and at the time,
and you know, jobs are hard to come by, so I did
a bunch of other jobs for a few years, but always been writing you
on the background as well. And then when I was in my sort of
mid twenties, I thought, well, you know, now it's like a
now or never time, you know, sort of closer to thirty. It's
I think sometimes people feel it's too late to change things, and I didn't
want to be in that position. So I just took a chance and I
quit the job. And I was like, well, either you make it
or you don't, but I'm going to do the best to work full time
as a writer. I just sort of it was like being pushed in the
swimming pool of a deepen. You know, you either swim or your drown.
And so I sort of learned, you know, about the industry,
the best people to contact, but publishers, magazines, newspapers, and then
really sort of you know, you've got to learn to basically be aggressive and
pitch yourself and promote yourself and sell yourself. And you're the only way you
can really do that is by coming up with marketable new stories and things that
you know the magazines and the publishers are going to want to buy. So
that's not really got me involved. And that was like twenty years ago and
I've done it ever since. But I don't like a lot of freelance writers,
which is a very precarious job. You know. I think a lot
of people assume that if you write UFO books, even one, you know,
you're living in the Hollywood Hills and driving a Ferrari, which actually I
could assure you is not the case, but it is. I mean,
don't get me wrong. If you can do a job that you really enjoy,
that's a bonus freelance. Right. It is a precarious job and you
need your wits about you need to project ahead months and to stay on top
of things. But if you can do that and you enjoy it, you
know, you get the reward from from doing something that gives you satisfaction as
well. Yes, um no, I agree with a lot of that.
And you know, I heard of saying, you know, success is loving
what you have to do. And I really, um, you know,
I really promote anyone that is trying to get to do their you know,
trying to do their passion whatever it is. Um. And you know,
sometimes the money comes along, you know, and usually it does if you're
really really into That's that's how I feel anyway. Um. Yeah, I
mean, don't get me wrong. I mean, you know, I earned
a living from the subject, but I meant, I mean people might find
it interesting if they want to get into this field. That probably only about
thirty percent of my income, it does come from the book, right,
and the rest just comes from mainstream journalism, newspaper magazine work. And I
also do editing improved reading services for other authors as well. But often on
you know, just subjects have nothing to do with the paranormal at all.
M And so you know, it's sort of a combinations. It's a job
in writing, but it's a combination of widely sort of varying different subjects.
Yeah. Yeah, I think there is I've talked about it in a number
of times on this show that there is a little bit of a misconception that
you know, people think just because you see someone like yourself. I've seen
you on many documentaries on on on the History Channel, and you know,
you're you're all over the screen. You're not exactly getting rich from that either.
Well now, I mean most TV shows, you know, they have
a set fee, which isn't a bad fee, but you know, you
may only do the show once a year, you know, that kind of
thing, and you do somebody else's show you and again, you know,
I mean, I enjoy doing them because sometimes you get to travels on locations,
food shoots, places you've never been before. So it's sort of like
a cool trip experience as well as doing the TV show, which I enjoy,
you know, But but yeah, I mean for me, they you
know, working in I do a lot of working in music industry as well,
and I kind of drawn an analogy between people who write books and bands.
You know, it's like, if you're busy as a band, you
can earn a living on the road because today, you know, with downloads,
CDs don't sell as much as they used to. You know, sell
bands have to another way, and if you're busy and you keep on top
of things, you can earn a living. But it's only you know a
few bands that actually kind of reached the position of you know, you know,
just made a sellout set, you know what I mean. It's the
sort of most bands kind of go along at a certain level. Then every
so often you'll find one that sort of shoots up to number one and they're
gigantic, and they maintain that for years until it's time from to get off,
you know. And there's sort of quite that with writing. It's it's
an unpredictable business. But for me, I enjoyed the unpredictable aspect of it
because you never really know what might happen and what can happen and the doors
it can open. So I would always say the people if they you know,
I always tay, I think everybody has got a story in them a
book or you know, there's always something that happens in somebody's life that would
lend itself to a book and people. So howd your started? I said,
Well, you know, you just write it down as it happened,
and go back and look at it the next day, and you often think
then, oh, change that it looked better if I did this, And
it's you know, like I said, you don't have to be Einstein.
I mean I'm a good example. I mean I could tell you I went
to college, university, got all these big degrees. I didn't. I
walked out of school at sixteen. And what are you going to do?
You know, you do what you're going to do, so so anybody can
do it, you know, that's right. Well, that's uh, yeah,
I wouldn't say anybody. But I think, you know, I don't
think education means always means. Now, I may be insulting someone that you
know, really went to a lot of schooling, but education doesn't always mean
that someone is really successful at something. You know, I know someone that
well made it to the ninth grade, and you know he sold his company
recently for two hundred and forty million dollars, so that's not too bad.
Well, you know, actually make a good point there, because I mean,
you know, I'm not saying education isn't important, because it is.
But I mean I've run across people who have gone from school to college to
university and they become teachers and they go back to school and they haven't really
seen much of the big wide world. You know, they said our less
school at sixteen, and I was sort of on the Road interview in Bands
at seventeen behind backstage. You know, I was thrust into the big wide
world quickly, and I enjoyed it, you know. And I was sort
of traveling around here, there and everywhere. You know, I just you
get expenses given to you. You know, well you've got to book your
flight and all this business, and you know to do that at sixteen,
you know, it's it's like jumping into something new. But for me it
was good because you don't just learn about, you know, taking your own
responsibility, but you also learn quickly that what the big world's like. And
sometimes I think when people are encased in just you know, going from the
school to university and doing then straight into a job and not seeing the world
around them. You know, it's it's kind of living in almost like a
like a blackhouse. You don't see what's going on outside or you don't experience
it. And and that's one of the good things about writing and things like
this. You do get to sort of diversify and you know, experience this
and see that. And how did you end up in the US? Well,
actually, I've got a job offer this I've been I've lived in the
US for fifteen years and actually got a job off. As I said,
I do contract research for authors, and it was basically like that. It
was a one year contractor then rolled over into a three year one and a
lot of it was based around the Dallas area where I moved to and kind
of stead of been here fifteen years, and yeah, I like it over
here, and did all the legal stuff and you know, officially emigrated just
in case Donald Trump's listening. You know, did all that paperwork, which
you know, for me, I think it's the right thing to do if
you're going to come to somebody else's country and live, you know, you
were by by by their regulations and and yeah, you know, I like
it over here. I live in the Dallas area still and I'm just outside
Dallas, and so basically that's what brought me over, and that would like
I said, that was about fifteen years ago. Huh okay, So let's
talk about your book before we start. Matthew, I'm not sure where he
is. He's in the chat room every single time, he has been for
several months, and he is always asking this question about the RH negative factor.
So hopefully he'll catch the podcast if he's not available, on this because
I knew if he was going to be in the chat room, he'd have
a million questions for you. So the book is, the short title to
it is Bloodline of the Gods, and I'm trying to read what is The
tagline is Unraveled the Mystery of the Human blood type to reveal the Aliens among
Us. Yeah, enjoy having like lung subtitles. Yeah, yeah, So
what how did you? You know, how did you get interested in this
topic? And it is such a uh you know, it's kind of a
topic you wouldn't normally think about. And the only reason I think about it,
have thought about it it is because again from this guy named Matthew that's
in the chat room. He's always talking about it. He has a great
interest in the connections of abductees as well. So yeah, let's hear about
it. Well, yeah, I mean, you're right, it is kind
of an obscure subject and for the most part in terms of the UFO research
field, it has sort of gone under the radar for a long time.
Now. You know, if you google RH negative blood you can find a
lot of just regular medicine based storees, you know, at hospital sites,
doctors, medical sites, that kind of thing which will give you a lot
of just straightforward background on the rh negative situation, and occasionally, you know
you'll you'll drop on one that relates to the UFO subject. Now, one
of the things I was for when I'm writing a book. You know,
if people are going to buy your book, you want to be able to
give them value for money and give them something new. I mean, I
could tell you some horror stories about some well known authors who just have total
disregard for their audiences, you know, and I've almost come to fist fights
with a couple of them literally, you know, because they're like, well,
you know, they'll buy my books because it's my name, it doesn't
really matter, you know. To me, that's wrong. You know,
you've got to show your audience respect because they're people buying your book that you
know, the only reason I'm able to do what I do is because you
know, I'm fortunate enough for people don't buy the books, and I appreciate
the fact that they do, and I want to be able to give something
back, whether it's hanging out, you know, other a beer at the
conference, or you know, a lecture, or just by you know,
sign an autograph, or whatever. And so that comes back to the issue
of when I'm looking for a new book, you want to give the person
I said, value for money and country and come up with something new other
than regurgitatesing old stuff. And so I was looking around for ideas that we're
sort of a little bit untouched, but we're known to a degree at least.
And one of the things that popped up was the whole issue of you
know, our ex negative blood and to a degree. I stumbled upon it
sort of by accidents, from the perspective of hearing a few stories like online
or seen stories online or listening to the conferences where a few people said,
you know, I've got our H negative blood and ABC et cetera, et
cetera. And then I realized that, well, you know, that's another
person who's our ex negative and another So I literally one day I just googled
our negative blood plus UFO. It was that simple, and found a few
leads here and there, researching it further and then starting putting the word out
a little bit into more people and more people, and I realized that it
was actually not just a minor obscure aspect. It was actually a large aspect
and he's a large aspect of the subject, but very few people have been
talking about it. You know, it's kind of like the whole issue,
like the elephants in the room. You know, UM, it's in front
of us, but he hardly ever gets touched upon. UM. And then
I thought, well, you know, it's time to do something about that
and sort of readdressed the situation. And that's what prompted me to do ah
uh huh. And so let's talk about UM. Well, first of all,
there is a question, UM that someone sent me an email today and
they had they had a question they wanted me to ask you, and that
is, is it possible for RH positive parents to give birth to an RH
negative child? Yes, it actually is, UM. I actually know someone
who falls into that category. Um. There are there are risks with having
an RH negative parents, excuse me, and an RH postive parents. And
I'll explain why that is. If you'll have UM saying our age negative father
and our age positive mother, the you know, when the fetus starts to
grow, there can be there can actually be no problems at all. Now
a lot of people don't realize that although you know, the the unborn baby
actually gets its nourishment from the mother. The mother's blood stream and the blood
show the fetus. They don't cross, they don't mix. The actually kept
separate. However, if there are sort of few concerns about the fetus,
and you know that this procedure where a needle is inserted to allow them to
take blood from the fetus to check it all out. If during that process
a little bit of that blood gets into the mother's blood stream, what's very
weird is that the our age positive mother her her basically her entire body recognizes
the negative blood has been foreign and say alien and deadly, and the mother
then the mother's body literally tries to kill the unborn fetus, and that commit
extremely dangerous to the point where fortunately today we have drugs that will combat that.
But in the past, you know, the baby would be made to
risk. At the very least, it can cause severe anemia because the mother's
body actually prevents the baby from absorbing all the nourishments, and so they become
like the equivalence of like a young anorexic girl who doesn't eat, you know,
but they're not not eating deliberately. It's the mother's body is trying to
shut down the fetus. So in other words, that is one of the
strangest things about being RH negative versus positive is that the RH negative baby is
viewed as alien no pun intended. Now, So getting back to that question,
So if it is if two RH positive parents can give birth to an
RH negative, how does that fit in with your theories in this book.
Well, yeah, I mean that's a good point because you know, there's
the whole issue of RH negative parents versus you know, in RH negative baby,
it demonstrates that sometimes, you know, this can happen at random.
But the reason why I wrote the book is because when you study the RH
negative phenomenon overall, we find a higher percentage of our H negatives who are
either abductees contacts have had profound UFO experiences. So, in other words,
even if some of these events appear to occur at random, you know,
there aren't answered questions to why that might happen. But even if that does
happen, we still see, you know, sort of like a greater level
of people who are into this subject. And so that's what leads me to
believe that being RH negative is not just a matter of you know, being
different to an RH positive person. There's something else going on Evening's luck at
a mindset level where the people feel driven and drawn to this subject. Wow.
Okay, So if you're listening live, you can jump into the chat
room at podcast ufo dot com and ask a question, or you can call
in at six oh three nine six seven four h three zero. A lot
of people are listening right now, Nick, but very we get very few
calls of just letting you know. But that's fine. Now, Now,
can you kind of explain the book in general and you know, um and
go over some of the bullet points of the book as far as you know
the connection of possible possible aliens. M. Well, yeah, well,
just as people understand because it'll sort of lead into it, help them understand
the nature of it. Um. If probably, I just give you a
quick rundown on what RH negative blood actually isn't what it means. Now,
somewhere in the region of sort of eighty five, about ninety percent of the
population is RH positive, So it's about sort of ten to twelve percent that
is RH negative. Now r H stands to reesss as in the recess monkey
and essentially an RH positive person. But there are four types of blood ab,
AB, and O, and those classifications come from what are called the
antigens of a person's blood cells. And antigens are proteins that have found on
the surface of cells to combat bacteria viruses. Now those antigens, those proteins,
if you have those, you r X positive. The rh negatives don't
possess any of those proteins that the rest of us have. So this begs
the question, if the theory of evolution is one direct, why is it
that a small percentage of the population has such radically different blood to the others,
And why should they have this UFO connection to a greater degree percentage wise
and the rest of the population. So that's when we have to sort of
try and figure out why that should be. And this gets to what you
said about the theme of the bullet points. One of the things I point
out is that although ten to fifteen percent of populations RH negative, there's actually
one group of people where it rises from anywhere between about forty five and fifty
five percent, and that's what's called the Basque people of Spain. Basque and
there, as I said, their figures are like forty five to fifty five
percent well, the Basque people have a unique language which is not totally unknown
anywhere else in Europe. It's so weird and strange. It doesn't resemble any
other European language, and it's been suspected that it's like a modernday equivalent of
a very ancient language. One of the theories is that it's actually the language
of chromagnum Man, because the superficially, at least the Basques do resent are
probably the closest living relative to the Chromagnums. They resemble them in certain ways.
They're like a larger forehead, more prominence, their bodies are more bulky,
and the areas where the Basques are prominent are also the areas where chromagnut
Man proliferated. Now, there are other areas of the planet where there are
chromagnums, and there's a higher percentage of RH negatives in those areas in the
same way where the Basques live in France and Spain, there's a higher percentage
of our H negatives there and chromagnum manly there, which is almost like a
solid indicator that chromagnum Man was also RH negative. And this then leads into
the issue of why chromagnum Man should have been RH negative and possibly not the
Neanderthals or some of the other types of human And from there that leads into
the theories postulated by various people who studied the ancient aliens angle that was chromagn
and man genetically manipulated in the distant past, possibly to be some sort of
slave species. And if it was, was it modified to be sort of
more of a robust worker type entity, and did that involve making it our
ex negative because there are indications that our negatives have a greater resistance to certain
viruses and diseases. They have slightly lower blood pressure, which is good.
You know, if people pressure slightly lower than normal, that's actually good for
your heart and everything. So in other words, it's the issue of was
somebody in the distant past trying to refine an early human species and as a
result, did they create some sort of urge negative density if you like,
Wow, Now, Um, so you're saying that there's maybe twelve percent of
the US population, and so what is the connection to UFOs. I mean,
I would think that if someone's filling out a UFO report, for one,
that blood type is nothing that they would you know, indicate. But
so how would you do some research as far as this goes, Well,
yeah, I mean a lot of it stems from the fact that, you
know, the more the story gets out there, the more people come forward
and say, hey, I'm our h negative. And the percentage who come
forward demonstrates, you know, I mean, it's not like it's the majority
of the population who get abducted. Um, you know, are I mean,
there's not the majority of human population get abducted in the first place.
But when we find a larger percentage are our age negative. You know,
people who read about this because they want to learn more about their experiences,
they then realize that, hey, I'm not alone. There are other RGE
negatives. So in other words, a lot of this comes through word of
mouth and people relating their stories, and there's clearly, you know, a
larger percentage. Now, one of the intriguing things that demonstrates a link between
abductions and the rh negative issue is that many of the rh negative, certainly
a higher percentage than average, are born with an extra vertebrate in their back.
Now, that can happen at random, it's actually not you know,
that's uncommon, an anomaly, and most people may not even know unless they
have to back surgery, but the percentage is higher in our age negatives.
Now what's really interest in keeping that in mind is if we go back to
probably the most famous alien abduction story of all, the Betty and Barney Hill
case of nineteen sixty one. Well, when the Hills add their and county.
You know, obviously there was no real talk about time of alien abductions,
but very called missing time being taken on board some sort of craft,
started to get nightmares and bad dreams and realize that something weird had happened in
that missing time, so they decided to go and undergo regressive hypnosis. Now
keep in mind this issue of extra vertebra in the RH negatives. Well,
Barney Hill, when he was under hypnosis, said that when he was on
board the craft, the presumed aliens did something very weird. He said,
they were running their fingers down his spine slowly and carefully, and it made
him wonder if they were counting his vertebra, which you know, bear in
mind, nobody was talking about extra vertebra and aliens and RH negative blood and
abductions in nineteen sixty one, and yet it was in the immediate aftermat of
sixty one that Barney was talking about all this, So, you know,
that's one of the first things I've so got a chapter in the book about
what are known as mill apps, sort of military abductions, where abductees who
have been abducted by again presumed extraterrestrials have later been abducted by what sounds almost
like rogue military agency like shadow agencies, and asked a lot of questions about
their blood, what type of blood do you have? Things like this,
suggesting that somebody at an official level, or as I said, at at
a rogue level outside of the government, seems to know something about this and
they're targeting abductees as well. Wow. Yeah, So as far as people
that are abducted, I know Denise Stoner In Kathy Martin, the niece of
Betty Hill, have a questionnaire for you know, the similarities between abduction cases.
And I'm not sure if the blood tapers and that, but I'm going
to see Kathy next week. I'm going to ask her about that and ask
her what her thoughts are on that subject. Did you speak to anyone like
her that does any abduction research? Yeah, you did. I mean a
classic example and right up to date is Mike Clelland I don't know if you
know Mike, but cl L A and D Mike clelland he's done a huge
amount of research into abductions, and particularly from the perspective of how a lot
of abductees have said that they seem to have screen memories of seeing owls,
as to saying they know something weirds happened, but they can't consciously recall the
abduction experience, but they have this sort of weird memory of seeing like a
large owl stood at the site of Yeah, and Mike has hypothesized the idea
that he actually got a book coming out on it shortly hypothesize that these could
be screwed screen memories created by actually terrestrials to give like a down to a
explanation to hide what really happened. Now, bear in mind mic has dug
deeply into these phenomena and had experienced a lot of weird synchronicities as well when
he's been doing this research, and so not long ago he decided to get
his blood checked and it turns out he's our age negative as well, And
so you know, here's a guy who's had the forefront of research into abductions,
looking into some really interesting alternative issues like the owl camouflage angle, and
he suddenly finds out he's our age negative. Other examples. One of the
chapters I have in the book is on a controversial issue known as inherited memory.
You know, it's like if you know your child, or you know
and you pay lucky your parents, you can see traits from your father and
your mother, you know, in you say, with brothers and sisters and
things like that. Well, there's another theory that, to a degree and
encoded deep in I DNA and are subconscious, that fragments of actual memories can
be passed down as well. Now that's not been proved, of course.
That what's interesting at that point out in this particular chapter in the book,
I mentioned about how certain people who are aged negative feel driven to the UFO
subject, but they don't know why. Again, it is like something's encoded
in their mind. And I don't think for that reason that it's coincidence that
several of the major figures within ancient astronaut research are our agent negative. For
example, Aaring von Dannick and is our agi negative. You know, he's
sort of you know, the leading or the most well known acient author.
Granted there were authors before him like Raymond Drake and Maurice Jessup who wrote about
agent aliens would certainly Charoits of the Guards written by von Dannika in sixty eight
was the one that really brought it to you the world. So he's our
negative. Brad Steiger, who's written extensively on ancient mysteries, you know at
Lanti Supyramids, ancient astronauts, he's our H negative. Robert Anton Wilson who's
now deceased, but in the seventies he believed he was having sort of contact
te channeling conversations with extraterrestrials, some of which were based around ancient mysteries connected
with the Egyptians. That's just three examples of a number where people at the
forefront of looking into ancient mysteries just happened to be our H negative. Wow,
and being such a small percentage that does mean something. Is it just
the absence of a particular antigen that makes our H negative? Well yeah,
pretty much yes, but it's it's not so much you know what they lack
that defines them as our H negative. That is, that is the reason
you know that they're called our X negative. But it's the sort of the
profound differences that just that one issue seems to provoke, as I said,
a higher resistance to viruses. There are other weird issues as well, like
less tolerance to sunlight direct sunlight. For some reason, I've spoke to a
lot of rh negative people, some of whom have no involvement in the UFO
subject, and exposure to sunlight. A lot of the combect rashes and hives
on the shoulders and neck particularly more than anywhere else. And as I said,
there's this issue of slightly lower than normal blood pressure. Many of them
feel driven towards sort of spiritual issues, not sort of necessarily organized religion,
but just the idea of, you know, focusing on something bigger out there.
And as I said that the main thing is the UFO issue and the
spill over there with abductions as well. So in other words, to get
back to your points, yes, it's the it's the whole issue of the
lack of this protein that defines them. But the weird thing is why them
that should cause all these other spin offs to occur as well. Right right
when you were doing your research, if you haven't already talked about. It
was the one thing in particular that really stood out as really fascinating to you.
Well, I think the one thing for me, and this sort of
lends itself to further research, is how you know the abduction phenomenon, which
I think is connected all this, because connected to all this, because you
know you have a whole genetics angle. He's the way in which the abduction
phenomenon has sort of developed. Hey, hang on just a minute. Sorry,
Sorry, Nick, we have a caller who just called in. Caller,
please say your name and welcome to the show. Thanks Mane. It's
that you. I had to work late tonight. Oh well, I'll tell
you what we were talking. I was talking about you earlier because I thought
you'd have a bunch of questions for Nick. And you're on with Nick now,
so go ahead and ask him ask away. Sure. I want to
make a general comment i'd posted in the chat room a few weeks back for
those of you who are interested in knowing your blood type. I was surprised
when I asked my doctor, who does blood work on me all the time,
who declined to tell me what my blood type is saving They didn't know
and saying insurance woudn't paid for it, and it would cost me a hundred
dollars to find that. The alternate way is donate your blood and they have
to tell you so I am all negative. Well, actually, you know
that's that's interesting that you you know, you're interested in all these subjects and
your own negative OW negative. I'm sure you know he's known as a universal
donor because you know, if you I grateful, be group or I they,
you have to have that sort of blood injected into you, you know,
to be okay. However, anybody can be injected with OH negative,
because as I said, it's called the universal donor. And so in that
sense, you know, you've got a really unique type of blood coupled with
an interest in UFO phenomenon um. Have you studied the research where they claim
that parish negative cannot be cloned at all? Now, actually haven't, no,
okay, And then I just have a couple of the commonalities that I've
found from from my research and ICEH negative. I have low body temperature.
My court temperatures typically ninety six twenty to ninety seven point three. I'm very
sensitive to heat. I swept profusely from my head. And another thing is
I get startled very easily people like walk around the corner. I'll just get
really really taken back and easy to startle. I guess, well, yeah,
I mean that's interesting. I don't know if you heard the show,
but I was actually talking about the lack of sensitive over sensitivities excuse me,
to sunlight and and also low blood pressure, and that actually ties in as
well with like low body temperature and a lower the normal pulse rate, which
actually is nothing to sort of worry about. It's you know, it's a
good sign for the most part, providing you don't have any you know,
in aling conditions. But yeah, I mean it's interesting you've called in and
you you actually demonstrated you've got some of those characteristics. So Matt Matthew,
we met actually out in Phoenix originally, but you've been posting something in the
chat room about our age, negative blood almost anytime the abduction comes up or
anything like that. So how what got you interested in that? And and
you must have done some research on that, well, it is part of
you were talking momentarily about Kathie Martin on her commonality list, it's listed there
and it just comes up again and again. Um. So it's just a
synchronicity with me and and uh and I was trying to discover why I slept
so much, and I did a lot of research and that's what led me
to look into myself. Uh huh yeah. Well okay, Well, thank
you very much. You know, we're getting right at to the top of
the hour, So thanks for calling in, Matthew, and we'll see you
back in the chat room. Ye. So we're still on, aren't you,
Nick? Yeah, yeah, okay, because I've had some trouble before
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