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Oh Radio. This is Open Mindes
Radio here again your host, UFO paranormal

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researcher and journalist Alejandro Rojas. Hello, and welcome to Open Minds Radio.

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This is Alejandro Rojas and we have
another great show today. If you were

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concerned about last week, you know, we're supposed to have retired Major George

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Filer of the US Air Force,
and unfortunately there was some technical difficulties,

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which is pretty strange. His cell
phone just wasn't taking calls. It was

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some sort of strange anomaly, so
we had a problem. Luckily, I

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think we had a great show.
Still. We had Antonio June and we

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were able to talk about some of
the latest news, including the French and

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their releases of UFO information, the
Brazil what they've been doing lately with their

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UFO research, and then we were
also able to get into some of our

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stories from the magazine, such as
the foreign abduction cases. So I love

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the show. I thought it was
great. It's always good to have Antonio

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on because he's a wealth of knowledge. However, this week we have Avon

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Smith and Avon Smith has been an
abduction researcher for quite some time. She's

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been in the business for a long
time. She began researching the UFO phenomena

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in the eighties and in the nineties, after two years of studies in the

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thousand hours of an internship, she
received her certification from the California Hypnosis Motivation

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Institute. In the nineties, she
expanded her practice to include abductees to assist

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them and encourage them to work through
and cope with their PTSD. So we'll

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talk about that, and then many
of her subjects were referred to her by

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physicians and psychologists, so you know, she's got a great reputation working with

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this sort of stuff. She also
found it an organization called the Close Encounter

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Resource Organization organization which maintains active monthly
support group meetings, so they have meetings

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with where they bring in different speakers
and things like that. So we'll talk

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to her a lot about that,
because she's going to have Stan Romanett coming

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on soon to speak out there,
and she's real excited about that, and

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that's one of the reasons she called
me to be on the show, So

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which is great because I've wanted to
talk to her for a long time,

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so I'm excited about that. Of
course, we've got our new time here.

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We are an hour and a half
now with no commercials except for our

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own you know, little promo things. Those don't count though, because they're

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not off topic weird and they're not
like these real conservative conservative Laura Slashinger type

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of stuff. But the new time
is exciting because it's longer. We also,

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of course can be seen on video
at Openminds dot tv. So go

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there and go to the radio tab, and we've got a chat where you

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can talk to us. There's also
chatters of course in the blog talk and

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if you have any questions, you
can go in there and ask them and

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we will ask them of our guests. So thanks for joining us on this

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holiday weekend the UFO conference. Also, I should talk about UFO Congress.

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I want to tell you guys that
you need to register early to our UFO

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Congress coming up here in February February
twenty third to the twenty seventh. And

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why do you need to register early
because we really have limited hotel rooms.

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We're taking over this beautiful resort in
the Fountain Hills area. I think their

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actual address is Scottsdale, but it's
actually a little out there in the desert.

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Beautiful place out there, and the
entire hotel is going to be ours.

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It's upscale, but not upscale prices, so you'll want to get your

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room there. The pricing is a
little higher than it was in Laughlin,

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Nevada. But these rooms are,
you know, beautiful, and you can

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share rooms too. If you have
some buddies that you want to share a

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room with, that's fine. Maybe
fit twelve thirteen. I'm sure that there's

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enough wor space too if you got
creative fit possibly two dozen people in one

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room. And you know, it's
one of those things don't ask, don't

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tell type of dill. So come
on to the conference, bring all of

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your buddies. There's also campgrounds too, and you can find out more about

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this at Ufocongress dot com. Now, the day before the conference, what

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we're going to be doing. Some
of you may know that there's a film

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fest it's called the Ebe Awards that
go along with the UFO Congress. Because

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we've shortened the congress a bit and
we've got a lot of activities happening in

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the evening. What we've done with
the film festivals, we're having a day

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of film watching the day before the
conference, so This is where the hardcores

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who want to see all the documentaries
and who want to judge these documentaries.

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You can stay here all day to
watch these things and then judge them.

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And then during the conference every night
we're going to show the best of the

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fest. We're going to show the
top three in every category, so you're

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still going to see the top movies. So it's going to be a lot

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of fun plush. You'll be able
to make some of the events we're going

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to have. We're really excited about
the SkyWatch that we're going to be doing

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out there. The night skies out
in the desert, of course, are

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beautiful. You can see the mill
if you weigh and everything, and we're

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gonna be having some night vision goggles
and equipment where you could go out there

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and look at the skies. And
all of this is after something that Fort

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McDowell always does. And Fort McDowell, as I've mentioned before, is on

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a reservation, so they have some
Native American storytelling and some guys stressed up

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like cowboys and stuff out there,
and they're serving hot dogs and beer and

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stuff like that, and you will
go enjoy that before the SkyWatch. So

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we're really excited about that. We're
really excited about the whole event in total.

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So come and join us at the
UFO Congress Ufocongress dot com, and

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of course you can also find out
more at openminds dot tv. What else

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you're gonna find out at opensmind dot
tv is that not only a bunch of

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really cool stories that we write ourselves
on a regular basis, but a lot

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of the news and the headlines through
conventional media throughout the world that are talking

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about UFOs, and people all over
the world are talking about UFOs. And

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as usual, today we have our
news correspondent, Jason McClellan right here sitting

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next to me in the studio to
tell us all about it. Yo,

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buddy, greeting Zalajandro and Hello world. This is your open Minds news brief

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for Labor Day, Monday, September
six, twenty ten. A couple weeks

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ago, I mentioned how some UK
travel agencies are starting to market UFO tourism,

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where they encourage travel to locations that
have either had a significant UFO incident

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in the past or that are currently
experiencing frequent UFO activity. Well, last

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week, the website io nine published
an article that offers another suggestion for UFO

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tourism, a road trip to Europe's
UFO memorials. This proposed trip includes two

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memorials, one in Sweden and one
in Poland, fifteen hours away from each

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other. In nineteen forty six,
a hockey player saw a UFO land just

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outside of Angelholm, Sweden. A
monument was built to commemorate the sighting,

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and it features a scale representation of
the UFO. In nineteen seventy eight,

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a UFO allegedly landed in Emilson,
Poland, where two small green humanoids abducted

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a farmer. The memorial was built
in two thousand and five to remember the

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events. We have an article on
a dot tv about this case that Antonio

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wrote, Yeah, the second one. And it's cool because if you look

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at the article, we also have
some comic book pages right that were done

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on this case, and it's an
interesting case. I didn't know about the

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Swedish one though. That's pretty cool, and it's cool that they would build

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a memorial for a sighting. I
mean that one was just the siding it

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was an abduction, but yeah,
that'd be cool. If every sighting we

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could build memorials, we'd have site
memorials all over. There would be memorials

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everywhere. It would look like UFO
City, And that might be more worthwhile

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for a road trip. Yeah,
because then you wouldn't have to drive fifteen

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hours to the next memorial. Yeah, we've just got Roswell and then all

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these other weird things. Here's an
update to a story we reported last week.

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Images captured by a hunter's motion activated
camera in Texas contained an odd string

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of lights, which many thought could
be a UFO well. After investigating the

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photos, Texas Mutual UFO Network Chief
Investigator Fletcher L. Gray determined that the

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lights in the photos were simply the
result of camera malfunction. According to Gray,

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for an unknown reason, the camera's
shutter was staying open, and when

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the infrared strobe would fire, the
camera would capture the bank of lights.

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Strobe had fourteen led bulbs. And
that's how many lights. How many lights

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appear in the photos. Yeah,
it's weird how that can happen. But

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I think he really figured it out
because you know, fourteen and when you

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look at it, they do look
like tho little led bulbs. So he

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figured out and it made a lot
of news before he figured it out because

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that it was big news, and
looking at the photos and hearing the person

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who owned the camera described what was
back there. There weren't any roads,

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there weren't any buildings, right,
and looking at these things that looked like

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they were floating above the trees.
They were really cool photos and you couldn't

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really tell what it was. But
the bank of led lights makes a lot

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of sense and always oriented the same
way in the same number. Yep,

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So I think he figured it out. Yep, good job out there.

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In a recent poll conducted by sixty
Minutes in Vanity Fair, there are more

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Americans who believe in ghosts and UFOs
than there are people who think Sarah Palin

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would be an effective president. I
thought that was kind of a funny pole.

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Yeah, that's really well they pulled
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think that's what they were shooting for
with the politics stuff. But thirty percent

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was their number who believe in UFOs, which is a little lower than their

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latest poll. Right, And some
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are a lot larger than that,
but still, thirty percent is a

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lot of people. It is.
It's one out of three people, and

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there all seem to be a lot
of these polls done in the past couple

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of years, at least more happening, and the number seems to keep going

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up. Well, this one went
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a lot of people. Well can
you expect much from Vanity Fair, Yeah,

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exactly. Residents of Darwin, Australia's
Northern Territory want to hold a UFO

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conference and start a push to have
Darwin named the UFO Capital of the World.

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The area has become a hotspot for
UFOs and in fact, one of

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our news stories last week it was
about Northern Territory UFO researcher who, after

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thirty years of searching, finally saw
his first UFO and humphy Doo, which

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is right next to Darwin. Darwin. Thinks that UFO spotting could become a

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tourist attraction and if they do manage
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plan to offer free parking for UFOs. Oh. Perfect, that's very nice

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of them, because I don't know
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charge anyway. I don't know,
but I know that's something that our conference

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doesn't offer. So, oh,
you're right, we maybe so they advantage.

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Yeah. Well, and NT News, I think it is the website

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or the has that and that they've
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they have and after reading this story
and the story from last week, apparently

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they do have a lot of sightings
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there, so they really are going
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So that would be great. I
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these countries in fact to bring up
the magazine again. Our next issue,

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we've got article on exopolitics and international
and actually we're going to have another one

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on this soon. But I mean
internationally, there's a lot of groups starting

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up and a lot of conferences.
You went to the Barcelona or did you?

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I did not conference, so I
think our boy and there were a

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lot of people there. So it's
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So it's cool to see Australia.
It's definitely cool to see the international stuff.

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But we talked about the UK a
lot. Yeah, but Australia has

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been in the news a lot more
lately. Yep. It seems like we've

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talked about a lot of Chinese planetary
astrotum or Wankichao in the past week.

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Well, this week, we've got
a different Chinese planetary astronomer to talk about.

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According to Zoujin, the curator of
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have yet to visit our planet.
He says that with a trillion planets going

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around fixed stars like the Earth around
the Sun, the possibility of our planet

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being the only one with life is
slim. He doesn't believe in UFOs because

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he doesn't think it's possible for beings
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distance to get here. He did, however, state his opinion that the

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best way for us to contact extraterrestrials
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he's kind of towing the line of
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I mean the whole SETI thing.
But I think he's underestimated with a

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trillion. I think there's more like
ten gazillion. Ah, that's a lot.

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I haven't counted lately. Really,
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do this weekend. It was a
long weekend. Well, then i'll take

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your estimate gazillion gazillion. You might
be overestimating there, but if he counted,

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I'll trust you. Yeah, all
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debate going on in the UK about
the frequent sightings that have been occurring in

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Halifax and Calderdale. We've been talking
about these sightings a lot lately. The

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Evening Courier says that readers have contacted
them to report seeing people in the area

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releasing Chinese lanterns. Many witnesses,
though, are fully convinced that what they

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have witnessed could not possibly be Chinese
lanterns, because they demonstrate movements that seems

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to be propelled very rapidly in one
direction and then into the other, and

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straight up and straight down, blinking
lights changing colors. Well, and I

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mean, like you've noted, these
Chinese lanterns can come in various different colors,

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and it makes it easy to call
something a Chinese lantern because a lot

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of sightings are lights in the sky, and then it's easy for people and

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unfortunately a lot of people just want
a prosaic answer so they can just write

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it off and they don't have to
think about it anymore. But in some

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of these cases, right when you
look at the details, there's a lot

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more going on than just some little
lantern floating around in the air right,

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but it continues to make the news
week after week. Yeah yep. Here's

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an updates to another story from last
week about a triangle shaped UFO that allegedly

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crashed just outside of Fresno, California, Just to recap for those of you

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who haven't heard about this yet.
On the evening of August twenty first,

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a triangle shape UFFO reportedly crash landed
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California. A family observed the crash
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California State Section director for the Mutual
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site because it was on private land, but from a disadvantage point, he

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saw unmarked vehicles arriving at the scene
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The next morning, Gonzale saw scorch
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as a sting ray shaped craft.
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video taken by Gonzalez has yet to
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been in possession of a copy for
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he claimed that he was going to
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ever see a video? Well,
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thought he was videotaping looks stingray and
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the video, or he noticed it
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was at a great distance, it's
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there. You know. It supposedly
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the sun reflecting off the side.
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and he'll tell us what he thinks
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activity and possibly make out if it
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Right. We'll keep our eyes on
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we get them. And a UFO
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visitor last week. Kind of.
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a fake UFO to entice real UFOs
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pad was actually built back in nineteen
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it does approximately twenty thousand people each
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on for a lot longer than just
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I mean I'd love to go check
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I mean, how are they they
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they're supposed to land, and if
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show them. So when their cruising
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of the actual UFO, so I
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what they used for their inspiration,
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I would imagine. Yeah, that's
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they see all of our cars and
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do they know this thing is supposed
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in case there's bad guys out there. It's playing with fire there. I

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think it's taking a wild guess with
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hopefully it works. That is it
for the news. Remember to check out

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these stories and more at Openminds dot
tv, your source for UFO related news.

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Your Open Minds News correspondent, Jason
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we've been off messing around or taking
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up later because there is some interesting
news speaking of China and all the Chinese

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news, the People's Daily, which
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they're talking about another UFO sighting,
and there's even a video that was posted

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by some reporters of this UFO and
it does look very strange. At first,

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you think maybe it's just that Venus
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in at least the Arizona skies just
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you know, kind of changing colors
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to even transform its shape. So
it's a great video. We'll have that

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and the news story posted very soon
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Other things that you're gonna find this week

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on Openminds dot tv is this is
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really excited about the Rockefeller UFO briefing
document. And if you've heard some of

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my prior interviews with Antonio Juneis.
We've talked about this and Lawrence Rockefeller,

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one of the Rockefeller Airs, one
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paid for different UFO and paranormal research. And one of the things that they

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did, which he was probably you
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used it often was a UFO briefing
document. And I mentioned Antonio because Antonio

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was one of the writers for this
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cover, you know, he's one
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with Don Berliner, Dan Berliner and
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the wife of a diplomat. I
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society type of people, and she
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this thing together. Once they put
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it out to his friends, most
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He was working through Hillary Clinton's office
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UFOs. And according to Grant Cameron, who runs PRESIDENTIALUFO dot Com, and

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I think his scenario seems the most
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look into UFOs using this evidence that
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years is when the Air Force came
up with these Roswell explanations of what they

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thought was going on with Roswell,
the Mogile balloon, and that the crash

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test dummies situation, which of course
many field does not fit the evidence to

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the whole Roswell situation. So it's
a great document that has all of the

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best evidence. In fact, that's
what it's called the best available evidence put

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together. Anyway, it was pretty
private. Rockefeller only did like a thousand

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of these and sent them around.
Of Course, some of the organizations that

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helped put this together, such as
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Research Research, and KOUFOS which is
the Center for UFO Research, which is

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the group that was put together by
Jay Allen Heinek, the astronomer who worked

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for Bluebook. Anyways, all of
these organizations had some copies, but for

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my own use I had put one
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happened that Antonio and I were talking
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representatives some people who actually helped work
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those other organizations, and we asked, you think it'd be okay if we

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posted this online, because really it's
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it and use it for their own
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we've just put that up online where
you can download the pdf. Some great

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cases. Those of you who have
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know these cases. But there's also
a lot of quotes and quotations. In

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fact, some of the websites have
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on their website, but you'll see
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And it's just very interesting that this
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this guy was, you know,
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He is noted for helping start the
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banker to help create all of ent
actually the computer revolution. He was also

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a philanthropist, though he also did
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to organizations to help the planet.
So really cool. We're really excited about

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that. You'll also see a small
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com because Checksukowski are good. Buddy
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Luis Valley area. This time it
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this is kind of a sad story
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there were also some other strange,
anomalous physical effects to the other horses that

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were at this ranch. And these
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You can tell they are traumatized.
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is very protective over the body and
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talks about how he had to gain
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really sad that these poor horses have
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these animals. It's very disturbing what
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these cattle mutilations. So you can
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have all the information that Jason brought
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and we also have more case files. So as you've noticed, probably we

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have been posting some of Michael Strat's
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mentioned earlier, and all of their
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so he puts together these reports into
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the renderings of what the people had
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what these people were talking about in
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these strange, unusual shapes that have
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not shapes that are often or always
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of these shapes and objects have been
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they've been able to get a good
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that together and all their descriptions.
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which is a center for UFO Studies. That's why I paused earlier because I

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can remember the last word, Center
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that no longer really runs. Instead
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that is doing all of the work
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move On the mutual UFO network because
it incorporates a lot of other organizations at

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work. In the past, everybody
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figure this out, and that's what
they've done. So we are going to

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talk to Vonne Smith in just a
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line, and then we will be
back talking about abductions and her work with

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abductions. And I'm really excited to
talk to her because she's been in this

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for a long time and she's a
wonderful lady. So stay tuned. We'll

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Here now, former official spokes person
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of open Mindes Radio, Alejandro Rojas. All right, welcome back everybody.

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This is Alejandro Rojas, and I
want to give a special thanks to one

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of my coworkers, Maureen, for
coming in on the holidays. I mean,

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she is looking pretty. She looks
like she needs more rest, So

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thanks for coming in even though you're
having a hard day on this holiday.

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But we have another special person on
the line right now, Yvonne Smith.

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Are you there, Jim, Thank
you for having me on. Alejandro,

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Well, thank you for being on. You know, I've wanted to have

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you on the show for quite sometimes, so I'm really excited to have you

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on because you've been doing so much
great work for so long in this field.

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And you know, I know you
are going to have Stan romanex soon

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and we'll talk a lot about that, but I would like to get some

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more background on your work also,
and I guess I'll start off with the

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question, when you started learning hypnotherapy, was it with the intention to help

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abduct these It was not really with
the intention there, because when I it's

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just so, you know, it's
so difficult to you know, think about

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how the path led me here.
But when I began studying hypnotherapy, I

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realized that hypnotherapy is used to help
so many different, uh you know,

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issues and types of ailments that people
go through. Especially I was very interested

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in working with cancer patients, which
I did when I was with at the

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IT where my college was located,
as well as post traumatic stress disorder.

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And so when I began I opened
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PTSD issues. People were starting to
talk about their UFO experiences, and I,

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you know, began receiving referrals from
other therapists because they they really did

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not want to handle anything having to
do with UFOs. They just were not

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going to stick their necks out there. But I began working with PTSD victims

404
00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:53.599
and I realized when people that were
describing encounters with UFOs, they were describing

405
00:33:53.680 --> 00:34:00.839
their their stress and anxiety, and
it was it was all the same whether

406
00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:08.559
someone had suffered from a car accident
or a you know, an encounter where

407
00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:14.639
the UFO will say abduction. The
symptoms were the same, you know,

408
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:21.519
trauma. Trauma is trauma, and
you know, no matter what, people

409
00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:28.960
need help. So I didn't realize
at the time, though, how how

410
00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:37.400
the work with with UFO experiencers were
just going to really take over my practice.

411
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:42.840
I mean it just began to snowball. And before I knew it,

412
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:50.599
I was asked to lecture, and
I began doing print interviews for local newspapers.

413
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:54.960
And because you know, people were
intrigued about about this, you know,

414
00:34:57.039 --> 00:35:05.519
encounters, and and then and I
began close encounter resource organizations. Oh

415
00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:09.079
my god. I mean the press
were very interested in that because they're thinking,

416
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:13.639
well, my gosh, if you
started felt like you needed to start

417
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:17.559
a support group, then there must
be a need for it. And I

418
00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:22.039
said it, you know, I
explained, it's it's the same as any

419
00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:25.480
other support group that you've ever attended
or ever heard of, but we're dealing

420
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:32.039
with USO encounters. How did you
first come across the whole concept of abduction.

421
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:40.039
Well, my it's funny enough.
My mother several years ago, you

422
00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:49.039
know, she she read about well
back when it was a Life magazine featured

423
00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:52.719
an article I'm Betty and Barney Hill, I believe it or not. I

424
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:55.639
remember coming home from school and she
said, look at this, you know,

425
00:35:55.719 --> 00:36:00.440
look at this article. These people
were had an encounter with a UFO

426
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:02.519
or maybe she at the time she's
a flying saucer. I don't think they

427
00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:08.719
call it UFO at the time.
This was in the sixties, and you

428
00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:14.880
know, time went on and she
was aware of, you know, different

429
00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:20.920
researchers and so forth, and she
wanted me to go with her to a

430
00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:25.480
lecture by Bud Hopkins. At the
at the time, I believe it was

431
00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:30.119
the Whole Life Expo in Pasadena,
California. Wow, neat. So your

432
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:35.880
mom had an interest, She had
an interest, and she knew who Bud

433
00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:40.920
Hopkins was, and so you know, I accompanied her, and you know,

434
00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:45.440
I met him and thought it was
fascinating what he was talking about.

435
00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:50.960
And then the next thing I know, I was I took my son to

436
00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:57.679
a bookstore. He needed to do
some research for a book project in school.

437
00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:00.360
I happened to be walking around the
books or and I came across this

438
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:06.920
very unusual cover of a book,
and I didn't know what this was.

439
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:14.159
I picked it up and happened to
be communioned by Whitley Streeb. So I,

440
00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:17.599
you know, read the side jacket
there of the book and bought it

441
00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:21.320
and read it in two days,
which was amazing to me because I never

442
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:25.440
read anything in two days, and
I guess it was just, you know,

443
00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:32.239
it was my path, you know
that that I was to follow in

444
00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:38.119
this work. And you know,
from then I that I read more and

445
00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:45.639
attended my first conference in Las Vegas. It was the I believe that one

446
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:52.280
was the Mufon Symposium and it was
in Las Vegas. I forget what year

447
00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:57.440
that was. It had to be
late eighties, you know, had to

448
00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:01.800
be a late eighties. So that
was my first introduction to a conference,

449
00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:08.199
which was again very interesting. It's
funny you say that too often, you

450
00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:15.239
know researchers in this field and sort
of they reflect back and they think,

451
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:21.440
I don't know how the heck I
am where I am, or you know,

452
00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:23.760
they don't think, wow, that
they would be someone that would be

453
00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:29.440
in the middle of an issue like
this. But even though they're not sure

454
00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:31.920
how they got where they are,
that that, you know, many have

455
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:37.920
a compulsion to still continue doing what
they're doing. Yeah, it's a you

456
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:40.159
know, I guess it was,
you know, if you want to call

457
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:49.719
it fade or destiny. For whatever
reason, I was led to, you

458
00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:55.400
know, open up my practice to
the encounter's ufl encounters, and I guess,

459
00:38:55.599 --> 00:39:00.039
and I'm really glad it led me
that way, because there are so

460
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:07.360
many traditional therapists that will not touch
the subject. They're afraid of losing their

461
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:12.000
license and they're just not going to
put their neck out of the topping block,

462
00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:15.719
you know, And that's really unfortunate, right, And I've spoken to

463
00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:22.480
many of them. They want to
remain anonymous. I do get referrals from

464
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:29.199
the traditional therapists like psychiatrists for instance, because there's there's still there's an area

465
00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:36.559
there that they're unable to tap into, and they feel that they're their patient

466
00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:43.119
is best served by referring them to
someone who specializes in this work. Right.

467
00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:45.280
Which is one of the things in
this field that I think is most

468
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:51.599
unfortunate, especially with the denials official
denials, is that these are people who

469
00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:55.800
really need help. Like you had
mentioned, they are suffering from PTSD and

470
00:39:57.000 --> 00:40:01.119
there are people who need some sort
of help. Oh absolutely, And that's

471
00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:07.440
why that is The big biggest reason
that I started close Encounter Resource Organizations.

472
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:14.639
Zero is the acronym, because you
know, these people were leaving my office

473
00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:20.920
and not realizing that they had no
one to talk to about what happened in

474
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:27.519
their session or something occurred again.
They were many times I'd be able to

475
00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:35.199
talk to their spouse, uh family
members, certainly not co workers. And

476
00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:42.079
so I started the group which meets
has met every every month. It's once

477
00:40:42.119 --> 00:40:45.119
a month for people to come together
and talk about what, you know,

478
00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:52.000
their their feelings and thoughts about all
this and all the high strangeness that goes

479
00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:59.360
on without feeling that they're going to
be ridiculed by their you know, their

480
00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:05.320
other memories of the group. Now, I also have always welcomed significant other

481
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:09.480
spouses, family members because it not
only affects the person having the experience and

482
00:41:09.559 --> 00:41:15.800
a sex the Ephire family, but
we've also learned over the years that it

483
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:21.119
also affects the family in a way
where other family members are having experiences as

484
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:24.360
well. It's the family there,
it's not just one person, and that's

485
00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:32.679
where you know, I've personally seen
families struggle the most is well, if

486
00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:39.480
there's just the one person having the
experiences and not the spouse and the spouse

487
00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:45.079
is having a hard time believing,
or if both are having the experiences and

488
00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:51.039
one of them is in denial over
it, and that doesn't hold just for

489
00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:54.000
the spouse. I've seen that with
parents and other family members as well.

490
00:41:55.079 --> 00:42:01.840
Oh yes, it's so common,
and it really boils down to so much

491
00:42:01.880 --> 00:42:07.360
fear, you know, fear of
the unknown and fear that you know,

492
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:14.559
this might be real, and that's
why many of them will not look into

493
00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:17.360
it, don't want to discuss it, you know. I think they they

494
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:22.320
feel that if they if they discuss
it openly, it makes it even more

495
00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:32.840
real in their world. And you
know this this is a very complex issue.

496
00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:38.960
And unfortunately, as you know,
our own government denies it and they've

497
00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:47.199
had they've they've really been very successful
in their denial. Where that's where the

498
00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:51.119
the ridicule factor comes in, you
know, because people think, oh,

499
00:42:51.159 --> 00:42:53.880
I can't say anything, because people
are going to think I'm crazy, and

500
00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:59.360
that's really unfortunate. And that's why
people like myself, researchers like myself,

501
00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:04.480
keep doing what we're doing so that
we can finally and hopefully bring this out

502
00:43:05.360 --> 00:43:09.719
out of the closet. Per se
so that you know, everyone will feel

503
00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:15.280
comfortable, whether it's like it's a
fighting or an actual encounter, you know,

504
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:22.559
an abduction. Well, to let
people know whysmith dot com is the

505
00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:29.320
url for your website where they can
learn more about your work and zero yes,

506
00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:32.480
whysmith dot com and someone have brought
up in the chat just a moment

507
00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:37.199
ago, sleep paralysis, and this
is something I was thinking of asking you

508
00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:44.760
as well, at least in that
as far as I know, one difference

509
00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:54.039
would be sleep paralysis doesn't seem to
cause post traumatic effects, No, absolutely

510
00:43:54.079 --> 00:44:00.000
not. And you know, sleep
paralysis has been thrown around by so many

511
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:06.440
the bunkers and you know hard skeptics
that they're all suffering from sleep prowesses they

512
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:14.960
thrown us, throw them all under
one pot. And my my question is,

513
00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:20.360
well, okay, how does this
explain people who are not asleep at

514
00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:24.079
all? They're driving, uh,
sometimes by themselves, many times with other

515
00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:30.000
people, other family members, and
they see a strange object in the sky,

516
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:34.960
very bright lights, and before they
know it, they are, you

517
00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:40.800
know, missing one to three hours
in their lives. They weren't asleep whatsoever.

518
00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:45.199
People that were in their homes,
say reading a book either on the

519
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:50.039
couch in the living room or in
their beds, and they they see a

520
00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:55.000
light, very bright bluish white light
usually come into their home, come into

521
00:44:55.000 --> 00:45:00.920
the room. They're they're rendered paralyzed
at that time. They know they can't

522
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:04.719
move, but they certainly were not
asleep, and we do have to,

523
00:45:04.840 --> 00:45:10.679
you know, really think about as
you mentioned the PTSD, uh PTSD occurs.

524
00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:19.480
It's it's the effects of a traumatic
experience in someone's life. You know.

525
00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:27.239
A great example, of course is
very obviously the our military going through

526
00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:30.440
the war and coming home, they
suffered from PTSD. You know, back

527
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:35.079
in when it was World War Two, when they were suffering from this,

528
00:45:35.800 --> 00:45:38.960
all the soldiers coming back. You
know, we didn't have we had no

529
00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:45.719
idea of what what was happening to
them. I even I'm not I cannot

530
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:53.119
recall when post traumatic stress disorder that
that when that was coined. It could

531
00:45:53.119 --> 00:46:01.079
have been during the the return of
our Vietnam death. But it's very real,

532
00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:07.760
you know, what people experience.
I've worked with many accident victims,

533
00:46:08.559 --> 00:46:15.079
people who were abused as children,
or people that were you know, sexually

534
00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:20.599
sexually attacked, you know, say, are raped. It's PTSD. As

535
00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:27.199
I mentioned, it's all the same
symptoms, whether it's a UFO abduction or

536
00:46:27.639 --> 00:46:31.480
a car accident. So you mentioned
sleep proalyssis no I you know, I

537
00:46:31.559 --> 00:46:39.119
know that sleep paralysis, and I
know that happens with with someone that there's

538
00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:44.719
if they wake up from asleep and
they're unable to move, and we just

539
00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:49.079
you know, we know that if
they move one finger or a hand or

540
00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:54.360
you know, it'll break the paralysis. But they certainly do not suffer from

541
00:46:54.400 --> 00:47:00.760
PTSD for a long period of time
like like another person would. Right.

542
00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:07.320
I've had sleep paralysis three times.
The third time I was able to break

543
00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:13.079
through it. But at no time
in any of those events which I really

544
00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:19.159
traumatized at all, I noted it
and went back to sleep. Or the

545
00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:23.880
last time, I forced myself to
move a finger or something and broke out

546
00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:28.480
of it like you talked about,
But I wasn't traumatized. It was just

547
00:47:29.480 --> 00:47:32.760
I don't know, it's a weird
state of mind. Yeah, but I've

548
00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:38.400
had it too. I've had sleep
paralysis. I've not suffered from something in

549
00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:45.480
the room or a life either.
It seems that in the episodes that I've

550
00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:51.039
had, they've been very few of
sleep paralysis it's when I'm extremely tired.

551
00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:57.119
I noted that, but the saying
here Eljandras, I was not. I

552
00:47:57.159 --> 00:48:01.800
do not suffer from from GCSDA.
There's there's a dramatic difference. You know.

553
00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:07.159
We can't you blanket all these people
from all over the world and saying,

554
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:09.719
oh, well, they all have
sleep paralysis, you know, or

555
00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:15.840
they were all dreaming. This is
certainly a physical event, and it certainly

556
00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:22.599
is worldwide. So you know,
because when I've traveled and I've lectured in

557
00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:28.239
other parts of the world, people
come up to me something that that struck

558
00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:31.679
a chord with them during my lecture, and maybe saw a slide or two

559
00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:37.039
that I that I presented. Many
times, these people were are unable to

560
00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:43.000
speak English, but they they saw
something in my presentation or heard something in

561
00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:49.079
my presentation that resonated with them that
they they felt that they suffered the same

562
00:48:50.480 --> 00:49:00.239
same type of encounter. Great,
what are the symptoms of PTSD? People

563
00:49:01.039 --> 00:49:16.519
are unable to sleep, they suffer
recurring dreams, They are afraid of a

564
00:49:16.599 --> 00:49:23.440
certain maybe a certain area, a
certain stretch of road, a certain room

565
00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:30.400
in the house. Let me see, I have a whole list of these,

566
00:49:34.039 --> 00:49:40.360
but mainly you know, they're able
to focus on on everyday life that

567
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:45.199
they keep thinking about, you know, the the incidents. Uh is,

568
00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:49.000
it just affects every part of their
lives. They're not able to sleep,

569
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:55.199
they're not able to concentrate at work, and the and the recurring dreams or

570
00:49:55.239 --> 00:50:02.840
the very vivid dreams that they have
could be an indication that something happened.

571
00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:10.639
So in the steps in dealing with
PTSD, it seems as though the steps

572
00:50:10.639 --> 00:50:17.119
we're dealing with well other sorts of
PhD are similar than with abductions, because

573
00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:23.760
I know a lot of my uncles
and my father were in Vietnam and suffered

574
00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:29.039
through that, and I've seen that
cycle as well as working with abductees,

575
00:50:29.480 --> 00:50:37.360
and that often even with let's say
veterans, they have there's a denial aspect

576
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:40.440
where they don't want to face it, and then they face it, which

577
00:50:40.440 --> 00:50:47.039
can be difficult to begin with before
they begin a healing process. Absolutely,

578
00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:55.760
it is an entire process. When
I work with experiencers, of course,

579
00:50:57.320 --> 00:51:01.920
they're very apprehensive at first about know
do I really want to know? Maybe

580
00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:06.400
I should leave this alone, and
they'll they'll leave it alone for a while,

581
00:51:06.400 --> 00:51:09.599
but they realize that it's haunting them. They keep thinking about it.

582
00:51:09.679 --> 00:51:15.079
They can't you know, they're nable
to sleep. It's affecting every every aspect

583
00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:21.880
of their life. So they may
then proceed with their sessions, and as

584
00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:29.280
we bring up the hidden memories of
what occurred to them, sometimes something very

585
00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:32.519
obvious is they they've woken up with
a strange mark on their body that wasn't

586
00:51:32.519 --> 00:51:37.480
there the night before, and they
know that it wasn't there the night before,

587
00:51:38.519 --> 00:51:43.920
even though it's frightening, because you
know, when I regress someone,

588
00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:51.920
they relive the experience, and of
course I use different techniques whether we can

589
00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:57.079
get through it without them experiencing the
tremendous fear or the or the discomfort or

590
00:51:57.119 --> 00:52:01.119
pain. But the important thing is
for them to bring all the memories up

591
00:52:01.159 --> 00:52:06.280
so that we could deal with it
one at a time and make sense of

592
00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:12.400
it. And eventually when they realize
that this was real, they had a

593
00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:16.000
UFO experience, but they came out
of it. They're alive, you know,

594
00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:22.639
they're loved by their families and their
friends. And this is when we

595
00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:30.920
start incorporating it into their lives.
They not only will have these sessions,

596
00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:35.559
they will attend the Eventually the sperial
meetings to meet other people so that they

597
00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:42.280
don't feel so isolated and that their
experience really isn't all that strange because all

598
00:52:42.320 --> 00:52:47.360
these other people experience the same thing, so many similarities, so you know,

599
00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:52.159
when they meet other people, so
it's just it's a process, and

600
00:52:52.360 --> 00:52:55.480
it is a process for healing,
and they do heal. And I mentioned

601
00:52:55.480 --> 00:53:00.639
when I was lecturing in Loswell,
we were talking about we were on the

602
00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:05.559
panels on a panel with Travis Walton, Kathleen Martins, who's the niece of

603
00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:14.800
Betty Hill. We were talking about
obviously abduction, and I mentioned that I

604
00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:17.559
have in the twenty years that I've
been doing this, I've never had anybody

605
00:53:17.559 --> 00:53:25.320
come to me to tell me that
they regretted going through the hypnotic regressions.

606
00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:34.719
They feel that they that they did
benefit from it and that they were able

607
00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:37.440
to get on with their lives and
then they met all these other wonderful people

608
00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:44.519
that you know, they became friends, and so I really, honestly have

609
00:53:44.599 --> 00:53:50.440
never had anybody regret the hypnosis experience. Yeah, that's one thing. I

610
00:53:50.480 --> 00:53:53.320
know. It's difficult for a lot
of people to to go in to therapy

611
00:53:53.440 --> 00:54:04.199
or to start working on these sort
of issues, but it you'd probably agree

612
00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:09.719
more important to face it than to
keep it shoved away, because it does

613
00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:15.920
manifest itself in negative ways in your
life if you if you shove it away,

614
00:54:15.880 --> 00:54:21.239
Oh absolutely, you could shove it
away for for a certain amount of

615
00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:28.400
time, but it will it will
start surfacing. It'll surface, and when

616
00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:31.159
it gets to that point where it's
interfering with their lives, I mean,

617
00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:37.400
it could affect your relationship or a
marriage, and that's you know, that's

618
00:54:37.480 --> 00:54:42.639
unnecessary because there is help out there
for people. And I mentioned before,

619
00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:45.800
we're you know, we're working very
hard to get this out in the open

620
00:54:47.000 --> 00:54:53.119
and be able to talk about this
freely without you know, without ridicule.

621
00:54:53.400 --> 00:54:58.320
You know, many years ago,
and I mentioned this on a talk show

622
00:54:58.360 --> 00:55:05.599
one time, people nobody wanted to
believe that that parents were abusing their own

623
00:55:05.679 --> 00:55:12.440
children. Nobody wanted to believe it. And now years later, there's therapists

624
00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:16.519
and support groups and you know,
places for children to go to, for

625
00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:21.280
parents to have therapy. You know, it's out in the open. In

626
00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:25.119
other words, So I think if
we keep working at this, we'll be

627
00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:34.599
able to accomplish the same goal of
being able to establish that this is real,

628
00:55:35.400 --> 00:55:38.480
that people aren't crazy, they're not
hoaxing, they don't want, you

629
00:55:38.519 --> 00:55:43.679
know, attention, they're not doing
this for money. You know, I've

630
00:55:43.719 --> 00:55:47.440
heard it all over the years,
right, so, you know, and

631
00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:54.199
I think I'm just one of those
people that were meant to work with this

632
00:55:55.840 --> 00:56:00.440
to help people, you know,
get through it. And you know,

633
00:56:00.599 --> 00:56:06.039
it's I think it's you know,
for me, I've met so many wonderful

634
00:56:06.039 --> 00:56:09.079
people like yourself and my other friends
and colleagues over the years. I have

635
00:56:09.119 --> 00:56:13.280
friends from all over the world.
It makes the world a smaller place.

636
00:56:13.840 --> 00:56:16.239
We can travel to other countries,
you meet other people, and of course

637
00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:22.000
now with our technology with email,
we're able to keep in contact where I

638
00:56:22.039 --> 00:56:24.599
remember when I first started my practice, Oh my gosh, you know,

639
00:56:24.679 --> 00:56:30.639
my phone bills were you know,
tremendous because that was before really before we

640
00:56:30.719 --> 00:56:37.840
start using email, right. Yeah. And there's still some researchers, as

641
00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:42.119
you know, such as doctor Leo
Sprinkle, one of the pioneers in this

642
00:56:42.280 --> 00:56:45.320
area, who doesn't have a computer. He still does everything by stale mail.

643
00:56:47.239 --> 00:56:51.719
Yeah, that's I know, it's
really you know, for some people

644
00:56:51.719 --> 00:56:55.119
it's really difficult to move into that
into this technology I mean, I was

645
00:56:55.400 --> 00:57:00.280
so used to working with my flies
and with a fly projector when I was

646
00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:02.519
when I was lecturing, and I
finally, you know, I have my

647
00:57:02.559 --> 00:57:07.480
computer and I'm doing power point.
But that was a little scary, you

648
00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:13.320
know, to go to that.
But yeah, but it's so I think

649
00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:16.960
it's wonderful now that we can keep
in contact and people will email me from

650
00:57:17.079 --> 00:57:21.960
all over the United States, all
over the world. Like just to day,

651
00:57:22.039 --> 00:57:25.199
I received an email from Spain,
you know, someone who needs help.

652
00:57:27.760 --> 00:57:30.840
So it's, you know, trying
to keep up with it all is,

653
00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:35.960
you know, it is uh,
you know, it's difficult at times,

654
00:57:35.760 --> 00:57:39.519
and I can't be there to help
everybody, but I try to maybe

655
00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:45.480
refer them. But you know,
there's still in so many, so many

656
00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:52.480
other parts that of even our own
country, that there's no one that really

657
00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:57.039
does this work. Right. Well, we're going to take a short break

658
00:57:57.079 --> 00:58:00.960
in a couple of minutes, and
then I've got a lot of questions about

659
00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:06.800
motivations and things like this, behind
the beings themselves and their nature. But

660
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:08.840
before we go to break, I
did want to ask one thing that seems

661
00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:13.800
interesting, and this even came up
in the Betty and Barney Hill case,

662
00:58:13.920 --> 00:58:20.639
Like you say, these memories are
resurfacing, although it's questionable but whether they

663
00:58:20.679 --> 00:58:24.079
were intended to or not. And
in Betty Hill's case, they told her

664
00:58:24.239 --> 00:58:28.519
in her recollection, You're not going
to remember this, and she says,

665
00:58:28.559 --> 00:58:30.840
oh, yes I will. They
got she got an argument, no you

666
00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:35.920
won't, Yes, I will know
you won't, and eventually she did remember.

667
00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:39.519
Do you think why do you think
people are remembering or do you think

668
00:58:39.559 --> 00:58:45.119
it isn't intentional that these people are
supposed to be remembering these things? Well,

669
00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:49.480
they you know, many of them
are told the same thing that Betty

670
00:58:49.599 --> 00:58:54.639
was told, that they're not going
to remember this, especially when they're abducted

671
00:58:54.679 --> 00:59:01.880
as children. And I'm sure these
being you know, instill a post hypnotic

672
00:59:02.239 --> 00:59:12.639
suggestion in these people. But with
the way our subconscious works is it's our

673
00:59:12.679 --> 00:59:16.559
subconscious is meant to protect us,
so it will protect us from a trauma.

674
00:59:17.239 --> 00:59:28.079
But eventually the memories do start surfacing
little bits and pieces with the regression.

675
00:59:28.440 --> 00:59:34.400
Now it's difficult work because we don't
get all the answers in one session

676
00:59:34.480 --> 00:59:37.719
or two sessions, and we don't
get them all from A to Z.

677
00:59:38.280 --> 00:59:45.639
I've worked with people for years.
Sometimes session number three will make sense with

678
00:59:45.800 --> 00:59:50.480
session number ten. You know,
we're trying to put together an enormous puzzle,

679
00:59:51.920 --> 00:59:57.039
but you know, sometimes it takes
a while for these memories to resurface.

680
00:59:57.159 --> 01:00:02.119
I have worked with people who who
had a classic missing time experience,

681
01:00:04.239 --> 01:00:08.360
yet they didn't realize they were missing
any time until twenty thirty forty years later.

682
01:00:09.239 --> 01:00:16.000
Wow. Which is another strange aspect
to all this. I've had a

683
01:00:16.039 --> 01:00:22.840
whole group of family members stand out
on a patio and they're having a little

684
01:00:22.960 --> 01:00:27.719
gathering and they see this very strange
light lights in the sky. They know

685
01:00:27.800 --> 01:00:30.360
it looks like they know it's not
an airplane that's flying very low. And

686
01:00:30.440 --> 01:00:36.239
they're all excited and they're talking about
this and they're watching this, and then

687
01:00:37.880 --> 01:00:40.199
they turn around, they all go
in the house, and no one talks

688
01:00:40.199 --> 01:00:45.320
about it for years. Yeah.
I've interviewed so many families that that happened

689
01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:50.199
to. Yeah. Really interesting.
So we'll go ahead, and we're going

690
01:00:50.280 --> 01:00:52.360
to take a really short break here, just so we can take a break,

691
01:00:52.360 --> 01:00:55.800
depression up and things like that.
We'll be back in just a couple

692
01:00:55.800 --> 01:01:00.239
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719
01:03:12.719 --> 01:03:19.440
Avon before we left to go to
break, we're talking about people's memories resurfacing,

720
01:03:19.880 --> 01:03:23.960
although like we had discussed, they
were told their memories wouldn't resurface.

721
01:03:24.039 --> 01:03:30.679
Do you think there's points to possibly
these beings not understanding us as well as

722
01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:35.880
they think they do, that could
know that could possibly be. I mean,

723
01:03:35.920 --> 01:03:42.480
we're pretty pretty strong. We all
have strong constitutions, and we have

724
01:03:43.400 --> 01:03:47.840
very strong subconscious mind. I mean, the subconscious is much stronger than our

725
01:03:47.880 --> 01:03:52.920
conscious line. I mean, it
makes up eighty percent of our total mind

726
01:03:52.039 --> 01:03:57.880
power. So that's why so much
gets registered in the subconscious that you know,

727
01:03:58.360 --> 01:04:01.199
we don't remember. I'm all of
our lives. We have many computers

728
01:04:01.239 --> 01:04:04.840
within us, so things that may
have happened in our childhood and I'm not

729
01:04:04.920 --> 01:04:10.119
just talking about abduction, but you
know, other things in life that we

730
01:04:10.159 --> 01:04:15.239
don't quite remember, but it's in
our subconscious. So they probably really you

731
01:04:15.280 --> 01:04:19.800
know, I mean, they are
obviously intelligent beings, but they may not

732
01:04:20.639 --> 01:04:30.000
realize how strong we are, and
how strong are subconscious is, and how

733
01:04:30.079 --> 01:04:32.440
determined some people are. I mean, Betty Hill was a very determined woman

734
01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:36.480
woman as other people are. And
they and they realize, you know,

735
01:04:36.960 --> 01:04:43.079
this happened to me, and I
have a right to know so when these

736
01:04:43.760 --> 01:04:48.760
memories begin to surface little by little
bits and pieces, you know, people

737
01:04:48.840 --> 01:04:53.320
do come in and say, you
know, I didn't give permission for this

738
01:04:53.440 --> 01:04:59.039
to happen, and I really want
to know what happened. So and I'm

739
01:04:59.039 --> 01:05:04.000
pretty good, you know, after
twenty years of bringing these memories forward.

740
01:05:05.239 --> 01:05:12.159
So and you know, people,
as I mentioned before, you know,

741
01:05:12.360 --> 01:05:20.239
even if some of these memories or
experiences are frightening and really try, we're

742
01:05:20.280 --> 01:05:26.679
still trying to make sense of why
some of these experiments happen. What are

743
01:05:26.719 --> 01:05:33.519
they doing when they take you know, samples of blood sample, skin samples,

744
01:05:33.599 --> 01:05:35.760
they want our DNA, you know, what are they doing with it?

745
01:05:38.239 --> 01:05:43.159
People become indignant and many say,
look, if I would you know,

746
01:05:43.159 --> 01:05:47.280
if they had just asked me for
my permissions, maybe I cooperate with

747
01:05:47.360 --> 01:05:55.960
them. But I think that determination
that we have really really helps bring everything

748
01:05:56.079 --> 01:06:00.119
forward, right, which kind of
gets me back. And there's been some

749
01:06:00.239 --> 01:06:03.719
debate in the chat, and of
course this is kind of a hot topic,

750
01:06:04.000 --> 01:06:12.480
is getting back to agendas because there's
and motivations behind the abduction phenomena,

751
01:06:12.480 --> 01:06:15.719
Because there are a lot of opinions
and you've worked with all of the people

752
01:06:16.760 --> 01:06:20.960
who are on the front, and
all of these opinions, such as Bud

753
01:06:20.960 --> 01:06:27.920
Hopkins and David Jacobs seemed to have
a similar opinion of perhaps some deception going

754
01:06:27.960 --> 01:06:30.960
on here by the creatures I just
put together and it's going to be in

755
01:06:31.000 --> 01:06:38.679
our next magazine. An interview I
did or some information with Barbara Lamb where

756
01:06:39.039 --> 01:06:45.679
you know, all the different types
of beings she's experienced by doing these regressions

757
01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:50.760
and their motivations, and she has
a different perspective like doctor Sprinkle, where

758
01:06:51.199 --> 01:06:56.679
it's more very positive that these things, all of these creatures are here to

759
01:06:56.760 --> 01:07:00.800
help us. So there's a wide
variety. And then you kind of have

760
01:07:00.239 --> 01:07:05.199
John Mack in the middle, who
wasn't even sure if these are physical events

761
01:07:05.239 --> 01:07:13.199
happening. Where do you fall in
all of that? Well, oh gosh,

762
01:07:13.199 --> 01:07:18.199
it's just the whole everything is just
formed. Yeah. I have formed

763
01:07:18.199 --> 01:07:27.880
a final, you know, decision
on what all of this means, what

764
01:07:28.079 --> 01:07:32.760
all this is. I know that
it is a physical event that happens to

765
01:07:32.800 --> 01:07:41.199
people. People are actually taken from
their national environment to say the spacecraft and

766
01:07:41.440 --> 01:07:48.280
examined these themes. Uh, they
materialize, you know, they could come

767
01:07:48.320 --> 01:07:51.920
through walls, through doors, and
they don't have to open doors or open

768
01:07:53.000 --> 01:07:59.920
windows, they'll materialize and dematerialize.
And it seems that they're able to do

769
01:08:00.079 --> 01:08:05.360
this with with us, who you
know, are solid beings, and they're

770
01:08:05.400 --> 01:08:13.320
able to bring these people from their
environment through walls and through windows without opening

771
01:08:13.360 --> 01:08:18.840
them. So they have that capability. I you know, it's I'm not

772
01:08:19.039 --> 01:08:25.920
saying that all of the experiences and
all of these beings, and there has

773
01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:33.279
to be so many, probably hundreds
of different types of beings with all different

774
01:08:33.399 --> 01:08:41.279
agendas. The ones that I'm mainly
dealing with and the ones the reason why

775
01:08:41.279 --> 01:08:45.159
people come to me for help are
the ones that the little gray beings that

776
01:08:45.239 --> 01:08:49.319
seem to be the workers, the
little short ones that seem to be get

777
01:08:49.479 --> 01:08:57.880
doctors. They have a behind mentality. So there is definitely a chain of

778
01:08:57.920 --> 01:09:02.640
command on the on the spacecraft.
But they they're they're the ones that do

779
01:09:02.760 --> 01:09:12.640
be abducting. They don't seem to
have any feeling or our sense of the

780
01:09:12.720 --> 01:09:21.840
person being frightened. They really don't
have that capability that we have now in

781
01:09:21.920 --> 01:09:27.000
the beginning that the experience seems to
be very frightening. Of course, because

782
01:09:27.520 --> 01:09:32.760
the person is taken and there they
don't know what's happened to them. They're

783
01:09:32.800 --> 01:09:41.359
they're taken to a very strange environment
with travisry members just a very short time

784
01:09:41.439 --> 01:09:46.239
of his five day experiences being in
this room with these very short beings with

785
01:09:46.279 --> 01:09:49.680
the big eyes. You know,
he's thinking he was in the hospital and

786
01:09:49.680 --> 01:09:55.000
when until he saw these beings and
he became very frightened. Then he came

787
01:09:55.039 --> 01:10:01.039
across the human looking one in another
room. And the people that I've dealt

788
01:10:01.039 --> 01:10:05.439
with also see very human looking beings. They could be walking on our street

789
01:10:06.079 --> 01:10:10.880
and we would, you know,
we wouldn't look at them and say,

790
01:10:10.880 --> 01:10:13.720
oh, you know, they might
be alien beings and they look very human.

791
01:10:15.680 --> 01:10:21.560
The so you know, some some
of them may be may be here,

792
01:10:21.760 --> 01:10:30.079
may come with the intention of helping
us. The ones that I that

793
01:10:30.199 --> 01:10:36.760
I'm working with with, the with
people that I'm regressing, they're told that

794
01:10:38.840 --> 01:10:44.520
the beings are not allowed to interfere
with us. They're observing us. They're

795
01:10:44.600 --> 01:10:48.680
very interested in what we're doing down
here, and especially with all of our

796
01:10:48.760 --> 01:10:56.279
weaponry and wars that we have.
I think they're concerned about that are nuclear

797
01:10:56.359 --> 01:11:06.359
weapons. But they're not allowed to
interfere. So I can't say that all

798
01:11:06.439 --> 01:11:11.960
the beans are are here to come
down here and help us and save us

799
01:11:12.000 --> 01:11:16.840
from ourselves. I mean, we
haven't seen it yet. They're wonderful beings

800
01:11:16.920 --> 01:11:20.279
up there. I hope I come
across them, you know. I hope

801
01:11:20.279 --> 01:11:25.359
they they're telling me what they're doing
so that I can be more effective in

802
01:11:25.359 --> 01:11:30.520
my work. But I haven't been
told anything yet, so I really am

803
01:11:30.520 --> 01:11:34.479
not coming from they're all evil,
you know, and they're all doing evil

804
01:11:34.520 --> 01:11:40.600
things, or they're here to help
us. I know that from studying all

805
01:11:40.640 --> 01:11:46.479
of this, that they do have
certain beings do have an agenda, and

806
01:11:46.560 --> 01:11:56.520
I feel that the agenda is around
the hybrid program. You know, as

807
01:11:56.560 --> 01:12:01.239
strange as the sounds, but it
just see means that because they take over

808
01:12:02.119 --> 01:12:08.000
constantly, they're taking sperm samples,
and then time and time again, people

809
01:12:08.039 --> 01:12:15.880
are abducted again and shown babies.
They're shown children in different stages of life,

810
01:12:16.560 --> 01:12:23.399
and they're told that this child is
theirs and they need to interact with

811
01:12:23.439 --> 01:12:29.239
it. Now, what's going to
happen with these hybrid children, you know,

812
01:12:30.399 --> 01:12:33.239
is I don't know. I mean, are they going to all live

813
01:12:33.279 --> 01:12:38.800
here among us? They may be
down here already. I know people have

814
01:12:38.920 --> 01:12:44.359
mentioned that they feel that they've come
across Beans. You know that our hybrid

815
01:12:44.439 --> 01:12:49.079
and they weren't quite you know,
they weren't quite human. There was something

816
01:12:49.119 --> 01:12:53.279
about them that was a little strange. I've been hearing this more and more,

817
01:12:53.640 --> 01:12:59.279
and I know Bud and David have
come across that as well. But

818
01:12:59.359 --> 01:13:04.439
I mean, I I don't,
you know, I I wish they would

819
01:13:04.479 --> 01:13:10.039
tell me more. I would,
I would they would give me more answers

820
01:13:11.279 --> 01:13:17.000
about you know, what what the
well, what the ultimate agenda is now

821
01:13:17.039 --> 01:13:21.800
they're creating all these hybrids. I
mean, I'd like to know what the

822
01:13:21.880 --> 01:13:26.039
reason is. You know, are
they here to take us over? You

823
01:13:26.079 --> 01:13:30.239
know? Or I mean they're certainly
not. They certainly are not here to

824
01:13:30.279 --> 01:13:32.800
destroy us. I mean I really
feel that they that could have been done

825
01:13:32.840 --> 01:13:39.640
a long time ago when they first
started showing up here. So I you

826
01:13:39.680 --> 01:13:42.920
know, I I truly don't feel
that they're you know, we're in that

827
01:13:43.039 --> 01:13:49.600
independence day type of you know situation. But I do feel I think they're

828
01:13:49.640 --> 01:13:56.239
telling the truth. These certain beings
are saying that telling these people that they

829
01:13:56.239 --> 01:14:01.640
abduct is that they're not allowed to
toxtrey with them. Well, I want

830
01:14:01.680 --> 01:14:05.640
to bring this up because there's a
lot of people in the chat, well,

831
01:14:05.680 --> 01:14:10.960
a few very active people in the
chat talking about this, and I

832
01:14:11.000 --> 01:14:15.560
know your friends with this gentleman as
well as I am. I'm pretty sure

833
01:14:15.600 --> 01:14:20.720
because he goes to Roswell Joe Jordan
and his work, and some people in

834
01:14:20.760 --> 01:14:27.920
the chat are bringing up which I
know you're familiar with, the similarities between

835
01:14:28.479 --> 01:14:35.880
abduction and demonic possession and some of
the things described in the Bible, and

836
01:14:36.399 --> 01:14:40.560
these guys, of course are looking
at it from the view like Joe does

837
01:14:41.239 --> 01:14:47.239
that perhaps it is that something demonic, and Joe believe he's found that,

838
01:14:47.359 --> 01:14:55.079
you know, you can use the
Jesus' name and evoke his name and help

839
01:14:55.279 --> 01:15:00.520
end these abduction experiences. Have you
found that? What do you feel about

840
01:15:00.680 --> 01:15:02.800
You know, it's a difficult topic, but what do you feel about that

841
01:15:03.239 --> 01:15:13.520
angle? I definitely feel a no. I do know that they are not

842
01:15:15.600 --> 01:15:21.880
in any way similar to demonic possession
people. Of course, you know,

843
01:15:23.319 --> 01:15:29.600
I encourage people to use whatever protection
they want to use to empower themselves.

844
01:15:30.720 --> 01:15:35.439
People have used prayer, people have
used just a protection around them, say

845
01:15:36.439 --> 01:15:43.560
white light or you know, a
beautiful golden light. But I have not

846
01:15:43.880 --> 01:15:49.239
found yet that anything, you know, they evoke Jesus name or you know,

847
01:15:49.279 --> 01:15:54.520
as many prayers as they say may
stop it for a while, but

848
01:15:54.560 --> 01:16:01.119
it does not. It does not
stop it forever. And certainly, you

849
01:16:01.159 --> 01:16:06.119
know, demonic possession is very evil. I mean, it's it's something that

850
01:16:06.199 --> 01:16:13.760
frightens me. And I'm glad I'm
not you know, dealing with that that

851
01:16:13.840 --> 01:16:20.359
particular aspect of you know, of
evil. Now, abduction is frightening in

852
01:16:20.439 --> 01:16:24.800
the beginning, especially because people don't
know what's you know, what's happening to

853
01:16:24.880 --> 01:16:29.479
them. But I was I have
a very very good friend who is a

854
01:16:29.800 --> 01:16:34.199
minister, and he was very interested
in my work with UFO abductions. And

855
01:16:34.239 --> 01:16:39.279
I invited him to a Sheral meeting
one time and I said, I want

856
01:16:39.319 --> 01:16:45.560
you to tell me, because he
worked with extorcists extorcism, and I said,

857
01:16:45.560 --> 01:16:48.760
I want you to tell me if
if you feel this is has anything

858
01:16:48.800 --> 01:16:54.359
to do with demonic possession or the
dealing with the devil in any way.

859
01:16:54.680 --> 01:16:58.479
And when he attended the meeting,
he met you know, the sher members.

860
01:16:59.239 --> 01:17:00.279
You know, later he told me
he said, you know, Evanna,

861
01:17:00.319 --> 01:17:05.159
if if this was anything evil like
demonic possession, he said, when

862
01:17:05.159 --> 01:17:11.279
I've been in exorcism, been present
in you know, with this evil he

863
01:17:11.319 --> 01:17:15.279
goes the hair and the back of
my neck will stand up. He says,

864
01:17:15.279 --> 01:17:17.359
it's so frightening. But he said, well, he met the serial

865
01:17:17.840 --> 01:17:23.119
members and they were talking about their
experiences. He said, there is in

866
01:17:23.279 --> 01:17:28.600
no way was it connected to demonic
possession. So, you know, and

867
01:17:28.640 --> 01:17:36.960
it really it bothers me that the
you know that this comparison is made not

868
01:17:38.000 --> 01:17:40.760
only by Joe, but you know, I've heard, oh I've heard this

869
01:17:40.880 --> 01:17:45.359
over all the last last twenty years. I mean, it's nothing new to

870
01:17:45.479 --> 01:17:49.199
me, but I know I know
for a fact that it is not one

871
01:17:49.239 --> 01:17:54.520
and the same and to me,
thank goodness. Right, And I know

872
01:17:55.119 --> 01:18:00.840
the head demon Demonologists, at least
until he passed recently, my signior Corrado

873
01:18:00.960 --> 01:18:06.439
Balducci, felt that they were what's
that. I'm sorry. I met him

874
01:18:06.479 --> 01:18:13.439
as well, several times met them
in Italy and I met him in Washington,

875
01:18:13.520 --> 01:18:17.520
D C. And he felt similar, there are two separate phenomenas there.

876
01:18:17.640 --> 01:18:24.039
Yes. After and after hearing him
say that, after I you know,

877
01:18:24.079 --> 01:18:27.680
I spent time with my friends.
Who was the minister he told me,

878
01:18:27.760 --> 01:18:30.159
you know, he felt he said, oh, there's in no way

879
01:18:30.199 --> 01:18:34.279
connected. That made me feel even
better because because this is you know,

880
01:18:34.359 --> 01:18:38.359
this is a separate issue. I
mean, we you know, we're dealing

881
01:18:38.479 --> 01:18:46.079
with beings from in you know,
other another, other planets or maybe you

882
01:18:46.119 --> 01:18:53.920
know, maybe maybe uh when I
say a parallel universe, M no,

883
01:18:54.800 --> 01:18:58.239
I mean there's so many different theories
out there. I don't I don't have

884
01:18:58.319 --> 01:19:01.760
the definitive answers you. It could
be all, you know, all of

885
01:19:01.760 --> 01:19:11.039
the above, but we just I
know that these people are experiencing, they're

886
01:19:11.039 --> 01:19:16.800
having interactions with beans from other worlds, and you know, I mean,

887
01:19:16.800 --> 01:19:28.479
it's it's hard to explain, but
it isn't anything uh evil like like when

888
01:19:28.479 --> 01:19:32.720
we're talking about demonic did you Eljanda, did you watch the movie Fourth kind?

889
01:19:34.800 --> 01:19:39.760
Now? When you know, when
I sat there and I definitely wanted

890
01:19:39.760 --> 01:19:42.800
to see this because it had a
lot to do with my work, and

891
01:19:42.920 --> 01:19:48.039
I sat there, my first impression
was seeing these people that were in hypnosis,

892
01:19:48.039 --> 01:19:55.079
and I cringed when I to me, it was more of a uh,

893
01:19:55.119 --> 01:19:59.479
you know, these people were were
possessed. No, I've not had

894
01:19:59.520 --> 01:20:05.960
anybody levitate in hypnosis. I've not
had anybody go home and commit suicide or

895
01:20:06.039 --> 01:20:10.960
kill their families. I mean,
I just absolutely was horrified. So was

896
01:20:11.000 --> 01:20:14.039
I. I felt the same way, and you know, I went with

897
01:20:14.079 --> 01:20:21.720
Antonio Mauricio here and we went together. And that's when I was really most

898
01:20:23.039 --> 01:20:29.119
almost offended by working in this in
this field, because it so misrepresents the

899
01:20:29.359 --> 01:20:33.720
real research, which is interesting enough, and they try to play it off

900
01:20:33.760 --> 01:20:38.399
as if it was real. And
then you talk to people and they think

901
01:20:38.479 --> 01:20:44.720
that some of those videos in that
movie were real because they said they were,

902
01:20:44.800 --> 01:20:48.399
but they weren't. No, they
did play it off as this was

903
01:20:48.439 --> 01:20:55.359
a documentary. And I have I've
had people email me just you know,

904
01:20:55.760 --> 01:20:59.199
so frightened about, Oh my god, can this happen? It was this

905
01:20:59.399 --> 01:21:03.720
real? And you know I had
I had a psychiatrist write me about this,

906
01:21:04.079 --> 01:21:09.680
and you know I have to I
definitely tell them, oh, absolutely

907
01:21:09.760 --> 01:21:15.720
not. This was not really was
just a movie. You know that hypnosis

908
01:21:15.720 --> 01:21:23.000
and hypnotherapy and regression is safe in
in someone's hands who's who's had the proper

909
01:21:23.119 --> 01:21:30.880
training. But what struck me though, was that it looked very demonic,

910
01:21:30.159 --> 01:21:35.119
right, like they were possessed.
And that's what and that's what bothered me,

911
01:21:35.720 --> 01:21:40.760
right, that is a yeah,
it was that movie was just off

912
01:21:41.039 --> 01:21:45.560
over a many levels it was.
It's unfortunate. Yeah, But to go

913
01:21:45.760 --> 01:21:53.840
back to I think one of the
interesting things about this about abductions that we've

914
01:21:53.920 --> 01:22:01.039
yet to see and is the physical
part of that really getting as much emphasis

915
01:22:01.359 --> 01:22:06.720
as it should. The physiological effects
that people have. This is definitely in

916
01:22:06.760 --> 01:22:12.880
my experience and yours, as you
had mentioned, and the many other people

917
01:22:12.920 --> 01:22:16.680
like you who have done decades of
work, that it is a physical It's

918
01:22:16.720 --> 01:22:19.920
something that John Mack really, for
instance, didn't tackle. And I love

919
01:22:20.039 --> 01:22:25.920
John Mack, here's a great thinker. But there are physical instances. People

920
01:22:26.000 --> 01:22:31.039
do come back with scoop marks,
other marks on their body. And then

921
01:22:31.079 --> 01:22:38.000
there's the whole implant phenomena. Yes, it seems like it's an area that's

922
01:22:38.119 --> 01:22:44.680
ripe for more science to be done. Yes, oh well, we we're

923
01:22:45.000 --> 01:22:47.720
we have a long way to go. But you know, there's people like

924
01:22:48.920 --> 01:22:54.960
my friend and colleague, doctor Roger
Lear, who for the last several years

925
01:22:54.960 --> 01:22:59.760
has you know, has been very
instrumental in getting these surgeries done, Getting

926
01:22:59.760 --> 01:23:04.119
the trays done is needed, getting
the surgeries done and the analysis. You

927
01:23:04.159 --> 01:23:10.279
know, everything takes money, and
most of the time we do this out

928
01:23:10.279 --> 01:23:15.680
of pocket. You know, we
don't have funding. I really want to

929
01:23:15.720 --> 01:23:20.439
work towards that because I think we
all deserve to have funding in some way,

930
01:23:21.119 --> 01:23:30.159
because this is very serious work with
the with the implants and with people

931
01:23:30.159 --> 01:23:35.600
coming back with it. And I
present the marks and scars that are in

932
01:23:35.640 --> 01:23:41.840
a triangular shape needle marks and are
trying their shape, bruises and are trying

933
01:23:41.880 --> 01:23:45.399
the shape. Now bask doctors in
the past, how does someone bruise or

934
01:23:45.520 --> 01:23:51.399
mark in a triangle? And they
have no way of explaining it. And

935
01:23:51.479 --> 01:23:55.239
so yes, I mean we,
like I mentioned, you know, we

936
01:23:55.319 --> 01:24:00.439
do have a long way to go, but you know we're we'reinal working towards

937
01:24:00.439 --> 01:24:06.359
that. And I you know,
I really do impoor people out there with

938
01:24:06.880 --> 01:24:11.960
that have the means and the interest
in this to you know, think about

939
01:24:12.760 --> 01:24:18.800
fundiness fund you know, organizations like
myself, like mine zero who you know,

940
01:24:19.520 --> 01:24:25.039
these these are a group of people
that had these tremendous experiences that want

941
01:24:25.039 --> 01:24:28.239
to share their experiences. That's why
I wrote my first book, Chosen.

942
01:24:29.159 --> 01:24:31.880
I want to get it out there. I put the actual transcripts in the

943
01:24:31.880 --> 01:24:39.159
book so that people know this is
what people experience when they're when they've had

944
01:24:39.159 --> 01:24:45.479
this experience and they're under you know, undergoing hypnosis. I'm having, as

945
01:24:45.520 --> 01:24:49.920
you mentioned earlier in the show,
I'm having uh we have guests, guests

946
01:24:50.000 --> 01:24:56.399
come in uh by twice a year
sponsored by zero. We're having Stan Roman

947
01:24:56.479 --> 01:25:01.760
It come out this month, September
eight teenth, in Orange County, California,

948
01:25:02.359 --> 01:25:09.359
because he has a very interesting and
of course very controversial case. Is

949
01:25:09.439 --> 01:25:15.520
controversial because I think it's it's very
difficult to believe that he has all of

950
01:25:15.560 --> 01:25:23.600
this documentation. He has people that
have you know, videotaped the same object

951
01:25:23.600 --> 01:25:28.520
that he has. But I want
to present people like Stan to come out

952
01:25:28.640 --> 01:25:35.079
and share their stories, their experiences, so that so that everybody has a

953
01:25:35.159 --> 01:25:41.399
chance to talk about what they experience. I'm having, you know, another

954
01:25:41.439 --> 01:25:48.520
guest speaker in in May, Travis
Walton, and to finally come out to

955
01:25:48.600 --> 01:25:56.279
southern California. So I mean,
you know, we're trying to keep bringing

956
01:25:56.359 --> 01:26:00.840
this to the forefront. And I
think with all these you know, these

957
01:26:01.039 --> 01:26:04.920
extractions of you know, what we
call implants, I mean, this should

958
01:26:04.960 --> 01:26:10.520
be on the six o'clock news,
and and yet it is and our you

959
01:26:10.560 --> 01:26:15.560
know, our media ignores it.
And I think there's a reason for it

960
01:26:15.760 --> 01:26:19.159
or treats it poorly. I was, of course, because since I've been

961
01:26:19.199 --> 01:26:24.800
so close and and you know,
my listeners know a lot about Stan roman

962
01:26:24.960 --> 01:26:29.079
X case, and not all of
my listeners believe in the case, even

963
01:26:29.119 --> 01:26:34.520
though there that I of course,
uh was a lead investigator and had my

964
01:26:34.560 --> 01:26:39.880
own experiences. And and luckily,
even though they don't agree, they come

965
01:26:39.920 --> 01:26:43.960
back to the show. And I
don't blame people, you know, it's

966
01:26:44.039 --> 01:26:46.920
it's a difficult thing, and and
I just encourage that they go, like

967
01:26:47.079 --> 01:26:50.960
September eighteenth, to see him.
Unfortunately, he's called and asked me to

968
01:26:51.000 --> 01:26:54.920
come out and I'm going to be
in California, but I'm gonna be five

969
01:26:54.960 --> 01:27:01.520
hours north and San Leandro, uh
at the Rubens Ex Best Oh I heard

970
01:27:01.520 --> 01:27:05.119
about that. Yeah, yeah,
so it's unfortunate that It's funny I'll be

971
01:27:05.119 --> 01:27:10.159
in the same statement, won't be
able to make it out there. Yeah.

972
01:27:10.319 --> 01:27:15.359
So if your listeners, like I
mentioned, I want to give everyone

973
01:27:15.399 --> 01:27:19.000
a chance, uh, you know, to speak about their experiences. And

974
01:27:19.079 --> 01:27:25.199
since he's in Stan Romanix in Colorado, I wanted to give him the opportunity

975
01:27:25.199 --> 01:27:29.159
to come out to California and talk
about his case. So, as you

976
01:27:29.239 --> 01:27:34.800
mentioned, September eighteenth and as a
learning like foundation in Orange County, California.

977
01:27:36.359 --> 01:27:41.119
They can send me and know if
they want more information or go on

978
01:27:41.159 --> 01:27:45.560
to my website as you mentioned Wifsmith
dot com. But you know, as

979
01:27:45.600 --> 01:27:49.760
I when I lecture, it's the
same thing as I lecture. I put

980
01:27:49.760 --> 01:27:54.880
it out there, the information out
there, and just let everyone decide for

981
01:27:55.000 --> 01:27:58.680
themselves what's you know, what they
want to take from it. And I

982
01:27:58.720 --> 01:28:01.279
hope people go see stand who live
in the area and my listeners who are

983
01:28:01.279 --> 01:28:05.760
skeptical to see what I've been talking
about or what we've been talking about because

984
01:28:05.800 --> 01:28:11.319
all of these things he's had included
in his like Scoop Mark's implants, I've

985
01:28:11.319 --> 01:28:15.199
been there to witness this, and
I've been there to examine all these things.

986
01:28:15.239 --> 01:28:21.000
And I mean I rubbed his skin
rop you know with those Scoop works

987
01:28:21.000 --> 01:28:26.439
at Fluoresce under the black line.
I know you know that wasn't anything above

988
01:28:26.479 --> 01:28:30.319
the surface. And I can't believe
we only have like a minute or so

989
01:28:30.600 --> 01:28:34.600
lest we are almost at a time
it flew by it sure did. I

990
01:28:34.920 --> 01:28:40.319
really enjoyed this. Aljanta, thank
you so much for having me on,

991
01:28:40.600 --> 01:28:45.239
and I hope your listeners will they
have any questions. You know that they

992
01:28:45.239 --> 01:28:47.960
can welcome to send me an email. They could get my email from my

993
01:28:48.039 --> 01:28:55.399
website because also if they're interested in
producing chosen my first book. I'm in

994
01:28:55.399 --> 01:28:59.000
the process of arriety of my second
and third right now. But they could

995
01:28:59.039 --> 01:29:03.239
also purchase show listen through my website
Amazon, and I encourage people to go

996
01:29:03.319 --> 01:29:09.119
out there and buy our books and
give them out as you know Christmas gifts,

997
01:29:09.479 --> 01:29:12.840
say gifts and help us spread the
word. Yes, well, thank

998
01:29:12.880 --> 01:29:15.960
you so much for being on the
show. Whysmith dot com. We'll have

999
01:29:16.119 --> 01:29:20.079
us on on again because I have
a ton more questions to ask her.

1000
01:29:21.199 --> 01:29:25.640
I look forward to that, all
right, And next week we've got marky

1001
01:29:25.680 --> 01:29:30.159
Antonio who does a photo and video
analysis for move On On, so you're

1002
01:29:30.159 --> 01:29:31.880
gonna want to check that out.
We'll talk about all the cases that he's

1003
01:29:32.000 --> 01:29:38.720
researched there. So thanks again for
tuning in on the show. We'll talk

1004
01:29:38.760 --> 01:29:44.359
to you next week. Be sure
to check us out open mind dot Tv.

1005
01:29:45.000 --> 01:30:23.000
Thank you,