WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.480 --> 00:00:06.280 The Chilly Effect is sponsored by Walt Street, Window dot Com and listeners like 2 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:16.480 you Yeah now most und check Charing June twenty eight, twenty twenty three, 3 00:00:16.600 --> 00:00:20.079 allegedly according to that thing we call a calendar, and this is indeed the 4 00:00:20.079 --> 00:00:23.679 show you're looking for. How do I know this because you're hearing me rattle 5 00:00:23.719 --> 00:00:26.960 on like I do. Anyway, it is Welden's Day, Wednesday, the 6 00:00:26.960 --> 00:00:31.640 middle of the week, and we are doing a video tonight. But if 7 00:00:31.640 --> 00:00:34.240 you're hearing us on the live stream, you have no idea about it. 8 00:00:34.280 --> 00:00:38.640 If you're hearing the live podcast version of this thing that goes out via the 9 00:00:38.880 --> 00:00:44.200 various internet radio stations and all that, you don't care. If you're hearing 10 00:00:44.240 --> 00:00:46.719 the podcast or whatever, you don't care. But if you go over to 11 00:00:46.799 --> 00:00:51.560 Rock Then and a couple of other places on occasion like Rumble, you will 12 00:00:51.719 --> 00:00:56.079 see us. No more YouTube. But anyway, had to do a video 13 00:00:56.119 --> 00:00:59.439 tonight. Why Okay, a guest I've wanted for quite a long time. 14 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:04.120 I'm really happy to have with me, Dylan Avery, And well we could 15 00:01:04.159 --> 00:01:07.480 we could go into the thing that I'm sure everybody's gonna ask me hate million 16 00:01:07.560 --> 00:01:12.120 questions about afterwards and why didn't I mention it. It's because life moves on, 17 00:01:12.719 --> 00:01:17.319 and you know, great work of the past is great work of the 18 00:01:17.319 --> 00:01:22.879 past. That's true. And we will discuss that briefly maybe, but I 19 00:01:22.920 --> 00:01:26.879 want to talk about some other stuff anyhow, because I took note of something 20 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:30.879 on a social media before we went to air and was talking to him about 21 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:33.599 it, and well, hell, you'll hear it in the moment, so 22 00:01:33.640 --> 00:01:36.599 anyway, welcome to it, Dylan Avery. How you doing tonight, sir, 23 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:40.680 I'm good man. How are you doing. I'm doing okay. You 24 00:01:40.719 --> 00:01:44.120 know, you probably have never heard of me before. I know I've heard 25 00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:48.920 of you a lot, and certainly you and I had interesting times on a 26 00:01:48.959 --> 00:01:53.879 platform called YouTube. You viral famous and all that, me subsisting for a 27 00:01:53.920 --> 00:01:57.920 while over there. But either way, I'm gone from YouTube. Do you 28 00:01:57.959 --> 00:02:01.959 still exist on YouTube? By the way, mmm, I suppose technically. 29 00:02:02.519 --> 00:02:06.040 I mean, like it was not like none of the none of the loose 30 00:02:06.120 --> 00:02:10.199 Change stuff was ever like under like my personal YouTube or anything. So I 31 00:02:10.240 --> 00:02:13.800 have a YouTube. I mean, it's got like a lot of the short 32 00:02:13.800 --> 00:02:15.439 films I've made over the years, and like a lot of my music videos 33 00:02:15.439 --> 00:02:17.439 for Remo Conscious and stuff. Like that. But I mean, like, 34 00:02:19.080 --> 00:02:23.240 you know, nobody, nobody really like followed me personally after the fact, 35 00:02:23.240 --> 00:02:27.439 which is fine, But I'm just saying, like the the the Loose Change 36 00:02:27.479 --> 00:02:31.439 traffic and my personal traffic don't align with each other just because they were just 37 00:02:31.479 --> 00:02:35.439 like two completely separate things. And I don't even think I made my own 38 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:39.960 YouTube until like twenty seven ate something like that. So yeah, yeah, 39 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:44.240 well I got it strange. And I've got just one question really related to 40 00:02:44.280 --> 00:02:46.159 Loose Change, and that is that, Look, let's just be honest for 41 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:52.479 a moment. It was an intensely earth shattering thing when it comes to all 42 00:02:52.639 --> 00:02:58.439 media and the well nine to eleven truth in general. H. You made 43 00:02:58.599 --> 00:03:02.439 great waves among people, people who are considered to be extremely important, among 44 00:03:02.479 --> 00:03:07.280 the fringe, among the you know, the dreaded conspiracy theorists. H. 45 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:12.280 You made a lot of waves. And you have gone now from that moving 46 00:03:12.319 --> 00:03:15.319 forward, right, and you went through a time when well there was a 47 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:21.319 lot more of a wild West feel to the internet. Uh and video production 48 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:23.599 and stuff like that. Tell me something, what is it like to be 49 00:03:23.719 --> 00:03:30.280 attached to something like that? And uh? And then well again clearly because 50 00:03:30.439 --> 00:03:34.960 there are people probably still discovering loose change as we speak, right, I 51 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:38.360 mean I've gotten word from people as of a couple of years ago. Hey, 52 00:03:38.560 --> 00:03:40.599 I finally saw a loose change, and I'm like, oh, well, 53 00:03:40.919 --> 00:03:45.159 when did you land on the planet? You know, Um, it's 54 00:03:45.520 --> 00:03:47.800 it's a weird thing. But um, what does it like to go from 55 00:03:47.840 --> 00:03:53.120 that to attempting to you know, not not just be yourself. It's not 56 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:55.960 like you were swallowed up in that and that's all you were. But what 57 00:03:57.000 --> 00:04:00.800 does it like to go from that to you know, to really wanting to 58 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:04.840 make sure that people see the other talents you have because you have First of 59 00:04:04.879 --> 00:04:12.759 all, loose change is primarily such a huge thing because it is innovative, 60 00:04:12.840 --> 00:04:15.720 it's interesting, it is the pacing. I don't know about your process or 61 00:04:15.720 --> 00:04:20.079 your storyboarding or anything like that, but clearly you have talent as a filmmaker 62 00:04:20.360 --> 00:04:25.720 that has nothing to do with nine to eleven truth that you could have made 63 00:04:25.720 --> 00:04:30.439 movies about toasts and done well, I think, but you did seize upon 64 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:32.800 something at exactly the right time. What does it like to go from that 65 00:04:32.920 --> 00:04:40.879 to this modern era of strangeness that is video production and all that as we 66 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:44.079 speak, where people have gotten a hold of you know, all sorts of 67 00:04:44.160 --> 00:04:48.240 fancy programs and things that were rarefied and hardly ever seen when you started doing 68 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:51.839 that movie. What is that transition? Like, can you tell me about 69 00:04:51.839 --> 00:04:57.240 that? I mean, that's a really good way of asking me that question. 70 00:04:57.240 --> 00:05:00.480 And about that. Oh, one of the last things you mentioned was 71 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:04.560 like the world of strangeness, and I mean, like that was kind of 72 00:05:04.720 --> 00:05:08.639 well, I mean it was the one of the last takeaways, but I 73 00:05:08.639 --> 00:05:14.480 think one of the biggest takeaways because that really is it is this current world 74 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:16.519 of strangeness and kind of where the country is and where the world is in 75 00:05:16.560 --> 00:05:23.160 general, and to kind of like look at that side by side to you 76 00:05:23.199 --> 00:05:29.199 know, early two thousands Bush administration, Iraq War like it it. You 77 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:31.639 know, it's gonna sound so cliche, but like it feels both so long 78 00:05:31.680 --> 00:05:38.399 ago and also like yesterday. But um but you know, like the post 79 00:05:38.480 --> 00:05:41.199 nine to eleven era, I mean, we're obviously still living in it, 80 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:47.279 but um, I don't know. I'm trying to like look back and identify 81 00:05:47.319 --> 00:05:51.639 a point where like the threshold was finally crossed, and maybe it was the 82 00:05:51.639 --> 00:05:57.439 twentieth anniversary of nine to eleven, because you know, like twenty twenty one, 83 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:01.199 it was a pretty interesting year. And then you know I did I 84 00:06:01.240 --> 00:06:06.360 actually did something with architects and engineers for nine eleven Truth called The Unspeakable. 85 00:06:06.800 --> 00:06:10.160 It's free to watch on YouTube if anyone wants to go check it out. 86 00:06:10.160 --> 00:06:14.319 But that was my nine to eleven twentieth anniversary piece. So I mean, 87 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:16.519 like I'm still I'm still involved, and it's still something I care about, 88 00:06:16.600 --> 00:06:19.519 and I you know, like I said, it's free on YouTube, So 89 00:06:19.600 --> 00:06:25.639 if you're looking for some new nine eleven documentary to watch that's also made by 90 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:28.600 the guy that made Lose Change, it's on YouTube. Like I said, 91 00:06:28.959 --> 00:06:32.680 the Unspeakable the thumbnails Bob mclvane, and that was you know, that was 92 00:06:32.720 --> 00:06:35.879 really what kind of drew me to it. And I don't really want to 93 00:06:35.879 --> 00:06:41.079 get into the whole like protracted like backstory of how I kind of wound up 94 00:06:41.120 --> 00:06:46.360 directing that, but you know, I found something that within the last twenty 95 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:48.800 years I felt hadn't really been focused on or it was something that I at 96 00:06:48.879 --> 00:06:50.879 least felt was like a new angle for me. And it was, like 97 00:06:50.920 --> 00:06:55.360 I said, an opportunity to sit down with Bob McIlvaine, who is someone 98 00:06:55.399 --> 00:07:00.800 i'd never really interviewed, and you know, kind of did my toes back 99 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:04.040 into it. I guess as it were. But um, you know, 100 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:06.639 and going back to my original answer, you know, like you mentioned the 101 00:07:06.680 --> 00:07:10.959 world of strangeness, and I mean, I guess that's really kind of my 102 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:15.120 main thing right now, is that the world is just so very strange and 103 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:20.600 like things have just gotten so weird and I'm just like, I'm so over. 104 00:07:21.519 --> 00:07:25.319 I don't want to say I'm over politics, because I mean, obviously 105 00:07:25.360 --> 00:07:27.600 you have to pay attention and you have to know what's going on in the 106 00:07:27.600 --> 00:07:31.879 world, but like, I'm so over politics and I'm just like, I'm 107 00:07:31.959 --> 00:07:38.600 so over Like I don't know, but every everything is, everything is exhausting. 108 00:07:38.639 --> 00:07:40.720 Look, Dylan, I know I'm interrupting you here, but there's a 109 00:07:40.720 --> 00:07:44.199 reason. Go ahead, and man's your show. As an artist, right, 110 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:47.399 it has been a weird, transitional time period. It doesn't matter if 111 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:54.360 you're a musician or you're a videographer or you're you know, creating a paintings. 112 00:07:54.800 --> 00:07:59.439 It has been a strange time. The world itself has really shifted in 113 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:05.040 a psychological way that I think is unique to this time period. And uh, 114 00:08:05.079 --> 00:08:07.720 you know, it's it's very cliche, right, we live in interesting 115 00:08:07.759 --> 00:08:13.839 times, but we certainly do. It is a huge difference that twenty years 116 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:18.720 since nine to eleven and the twenty years previous. Now, look, I'm 117 00:08:18.759 --> 00:08:22.439 in my fifties. I forget exactly how old you are, but I know 118 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:26.439 that you know you're not You're not the kid anymore. When I first saw 119 00:08:26.480 --> 00:08:28.600 you on the internet, you were the kid, but I wasn't much more 120 00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:35.159 than one myself. But but either way, Uh, it's been a transitional 121 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:39.679 time period. And as an artist, the world around you, no matter 122 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:41.320 how much you want to claim it doesn't affect you. It has to, 123 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:46.399 you know. So let's get back to your art abit because, uh, 124 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:50.440 something else I recognized, you know, I was looking at your link tree 125 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:54.159 and I saw this, this background piece, and I was like, well, 126 00:08:54.159 --> 00:08:58.480 that's different because not everybody has a cool background piece on link tree. 127 00:08:58.639 --> 00:09:01.720 I've got a length trade minus is basic, you know, uh, not 128 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:07.080 into the visual aspects of things. But it's just me. Yours, by 129 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:11.279 the way, looks exactly like you know the scene in the Matrix where they 130 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:16.279 have the dance raved Zion right the well, which scene a few of them, 131 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:18.720 but a bunch of them look kind of the same, the Rave and 132 00:09:18.879 --> 00:09:22.240 Zion with the with the people dancing around. It looks like you have the 133 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:26.519 rehearsals there that you filmed in the background. UM. Now I know they're 134 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:31.440 not that you didn't grab up anybody else's work or anything. That's how it 135 00:09:31.480 --> 00:09:33.639 fell. And not to cut not to cut you off, but I mean 136 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:37.720 like that's literally like I was like texting people, um with my limited cell 137 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:43.639 service there that was a festival called Unleash in Austin, Texas last September UM, 138 00:09:43.679 --> 00:09:46.000 and I was literally describing it to people. It's like I feel like 139 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:50.879 I'm in the Rave scene from Matrix reloaded. Um. And I'm also again, 140 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:52.759 I'm really glad that you've mentioned not only my link tree, but that 141 00:09:52.840 --> 00:09:56.799 background because I like, literally in the last week or two have kind of 142 00:09:56.840 --> 00:10:01.639 like put that link tree together and it's you know, as I was discussing 143 00:10:01.639 --> 00:10:03.080 with you off air, you know like that's something I'd want to do for 144 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:05.080 a long time, I was like, I really do something on my site 145 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:09.919 because for I think like the last year or two, it's just been the 146 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:15.360 trailer for Asteroid, the movie that Corey and I made together our narrative comedy, 147 00:10:15.679 --> 00:10:18.360 independent feature film that we made once we moved back to New York. 148 00:10:18.080 --> 00:10:20.519 And that was fine because I mean, again, that was like the biggest 149 00:10:20.879 --> 00:10:24.679 thing that I had going on. I got to finally direct a narrative future 150 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:28.919 film, which is what I always wanted to do. So did that, 151 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:31.159 and so, like I said, that was just my website for a long 152 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:33.200 time. Actually, I think I remember I swished it from the trailer to 153 00:10:33.200 --> 00:10:37.759 the actual movie, because that's on YouTube too. If you want to see 154 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:41.279 something that I made with Corey, which is, you know, my old 155 00:10:41.320 --> 00:10:45.279 partner from Loose Change and us moving back to our hometown and writing a silly 156 00:10:45.279 --> 00:10:48.000 little script that we could film in our hometown for cheap, and I mean 157 00:10:48.039 --> 00:10:52.440 it's led to where we are now, which is making feature films in upstate 158 00:10:52.519 --> 00:10:56.320 New York and we have a very successful production company. Things are actually really 159 00:10:56.360 --> 00:11:00.879 good. So if you want to see the genesis of that, and also 160 00:11:00.919 --> 00:11:03.720 because I'm sure we're gonna be probably circling back to that at some point, 161 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:07.600 but if you look up Asteroid twenty twenty one on YouTube and you're you're down 162 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:11.240 for a silly little independent comedy that was shot in August twenty twenty in the 163 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:16.879 middle of the pandemic. But you know, it has a nice little amount 164 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:18.840 of twists and turns, and it's got a pretty awesome script that everyone was 165 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:24.039 really happy to be involved in, and a cameo from a certain director. 166 00:11:24.279 --> 00:11:28.480 So, you know, if you're into that kind of thing. So it's 167 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:33.879 me, the cameo is me. So but uh, there's another good question 168 00:11:33.919 --> 00:11:35.679 though, because look, going back to New York City, I'm from the 169 00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:39.279 Northeast. Right now, I'm living in Macon, Georgia, but but I'm 170 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:43.240 from the Northeast. I grew up primarily in New Jersey, but I also 171 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:46.720 lived in New York, you know, and New York from what I understand 172 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:50.440 from you know, a couple of remaining friends that I still communicate with from 173 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:54.519 up there. I haven't been back in many years. But has New York 174 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:58.720 changed a lot? Or is New York still pretty much the town it was? 175 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:03.360 You know? Is it still pretty much the well not just the city, 176 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:05.840 but the city and state arrangement. Is it still the same as it 177 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:09.039 always was? Well, that's where I wanted. That's where I want to 178 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:13.200 jump in because I live up state, not New York City, but in 179 00:12:13.279 --> 00:12:16.799 my journeys to New York City over the last couple of years. I mean, 180 00:12:16.879 --> 00:12:22.120 I would say that for the most part, New York City is the 181 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:26.080 New York City I remember. The biggest change is that the like the COVID 182 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:31.799 outdoor seating where they like took up a whole bunch of like parking spaces and 183 00:12:31.919 --> 00:12:35.799 like lanes and like turned it into like outdoors patio seating because people couldn't be 184 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:39.480 indoors. A lot of those are still around, at least the last time 185 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:43.759 I was there. So you know, if you if you already had trouble 186 00:12:43.759 --> 00:12:46.559 finding parking in New York City, you definitely will now. Not that I'm 187 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:50.399 particularly complaining, because when I'm in New York City, like I parked my 188 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:54.360 car somewhere and I'm just subway everywhere, and I love it. Oh yeah, 189 00:12:54.360 --> 00:12:56.200 But they see the city in the state always have a lot of people 190 00:12:56.200 --> 00:13:01.000 don't understand this from outside of the area. It is unique the way that 191 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:05.159 the rest of the state and the city are related to one another and yet 192 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:09.919 separated from one another at the same time, right because there is a bit 193 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:13.960 of a culture exchange that goes on. It's almost like it's two different countries 194 00:13:15.759 --> 00:13:20.120 that are cooperating quite well, where one is sort of landlocked within the other. 195 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:24.840 Now that's how I'm describing it geographically. That's incorrect. But the truth 196 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:28.879 is there is an exchange between New York City and the rest of the State 197 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:31.519 of New York that is of interest. So I was curious about that. 198 00:13:31.639 --> 00:13:37.120 Okay, so we have some residents remaining from the COVID experience in New York 199 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:43.200 in the city, but I mean as upstate New York changed as the rest 200 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:46.639 of the State of New York changed, Because that was always curious. I 201 00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:50.039 mean, I love to even go into Buffalo as a musician. Amazing how 202 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:54.120 quickly they could clean up three feet of snow by the way and actually continue 203 00:13:54.120 --> 00:13:58.840 to function. And meanwhile, I'm in a place like Georgia where they drop 204 00:13:58.879 --> 00:14:01.320 a quarter inch of ice on the ground and the whole place stops. You 205 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:05.519 know, Atlanta, GA is crazy, Uh when when a quarter each of 206 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:11.240 ice shows up. But it's interesting that relationship between the city that never sleeps 207 00:14:11.720 --> 00:14:16.320 and the state that has a unique sort of flavor that it ends up capturing 208 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:18.440 from that city. That's the way I see it. How do you see 209 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:24.120 the relationship between New York City and the state of New York. And I 210 00:14:24.159 --> 00:14:28.159 don't think anyone's ever actually asked me that question in an interview before. I'm 211 00:14:28.159 --> 00:14:33.559 aware of. No man, no man, I'm I'm trust not a complaint, 212 00:14:33.840 --> 00:14:35.799 not a complaint at all. I'm like, Wow, I actually like 213 00:14:35.879 --> 00:14:41.320 have to think about this. Um. I mean, I guess I can 214 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:45.080 kind of speak in relation to how things have changed again, um, at 215 00:14:45.159 --> 00:14:48.440 least how I've noticed them. Um. And maybe because I mean, like, 216 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:52.000 I spend a lot of my time here in Oneana, which is between 217 00:14:52.039 --> 00:14:54.519 Binghamton and Albany, and Binghamton nobody's heard of. Albany is the capitol. 218 00:14:56.759 --> 00:15:00.639 I go up to Ithaca a lot to film this fan gim that I went 219 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:03.840 to high school with here in Oneana. So I go to Ithaca a lot, 220 00:15:03.879 --> 00:15:07.639 Like every once in a while, I'm up in Buffalo, usually again 221 00:15:07.679 --> 00:15:11.360 for a concert. And when I'm in Buffalo, I try to cross the 222 00:15:11.399 --> 00:15:16.240 border really quickly and just dip into Canada. But I don't know. I 223 00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:20.879 mean, again, I hate to make it like two big picture and not 224 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:24.679 New York City specific and two COVID specific, but I mean, like that's 225 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:30.080 really just kind of what I've noticed in terms of like changes just because again 226 00:15:30.120 --> 00:15:33.000 I've spent most of this time in New York and obviously I've traveled. I've 227 00:15:33.039 --> 00:15:37.120 gone out to California a bunch of times and all this and that. But 228 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:41.440 I mean I have noticed, like what I've noticed right here in Oneana, 229 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:45.840 which is just like a lot of restaurants now and just aren't open on Mondays. 230 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:48.519 And some restaurants are open on Mondays, but then they'll close on Tuesdays 231 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:52.080 when all of the other restaurants are open back up, so like they have 232 00:15:52.120 --> 00:15:56.600 a monopoly on Monday, and then you know they'll but they're still only open 233 00:15:56.679 --> 00:15:58.240 from like eleven to five when they used to be open from like eight to 234 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:02.679 six. So again, like this all sounds like generic stuff, Um, 235 00:16:02.960 --> 00:16:07.879 but it is kind of unfortunately, I think, still like post COVID stuff 236 00:16:07.879 --> 00:16:11.960 where it's just like we're still not back to normal. And I mean, 237 00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:17.759 I know COVID itself is a controversial topic. Um of course it is. 238 00:16:17.840 --> 00:16:19.840 And in the area you're talking about, by the way, would be particularly 239 00:16:19.840 --> 00:16:26.279 affected because there's so many universities and college is in the area you're talking about 240 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:30.039 between two alone. Yeah, I mean, but there are a ton of 241 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:33.360 them just concentrated in that area for people that don't know, um, you 242 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:37.559 know everything from let's see, Cornell's not too far away, but you also 243 00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:41.799 have that's in a good where I go all the time. Well again, 244 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:45.480 just just thinking about back to what I really know about the area. UM. 245 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:48.360 You know, so you have people that actually you come from many other 246 00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:52.519 places that coalesce in that area, younger people, there's a heavy concentration. 247 00:16:53.360 --> 00:16:56.799 UM. So you would think, okay, so the progressive thinkers, the 248 00:16:56.879 --> 00:17:02.519 younger people, the energetic saying, I don't know if that's ever actually changed 249 00:17:02.600 --> 00:17:07.559 anymore than you know it does generationally. UM. So maybe that that constant 250 00:17:07.599 --> 00:17:11.440 refresh of new people coming from everywhere, UM, creates a unique situation in 251 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:15.079 the place that you're at. The reason why I bring this up is because 252 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:18.839 as someone who is creating films, as someone who's creating that sort of art, 253 00:17:19.440 --> 00:17:22.319 um, you're going to be affected by the culture you're steeped in. 254 00:17:23.319 --> 00:17:26.640 At least that's the way I see it. Now. Maybe maybe you're one 255 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:29.440 of these guys who's immune to this, But it seems to me as though 256 00:17:29.480 --> 00:17:33.680 anybody who I've ever known as a filmmaker, UH is certainly affected one way 257 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:36.960 or another. It begins to speak. Um. I mean, look, 258 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:40.960 if you're Kevin Smith, you're constantly referring back to your hometown. Um. 259 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:44.759 If you're you know, uh, some other people, maybe when you get 260 00:17:44.799 --> 00:17:48.160 moved into LA you know, everything becomes about Los Angeles and that sort of 261 00:17:48.200 --> 00:17:52.680 weird subculture, which, by the way, I think Los Angeles belongs on 262 00:17:52.720 --> 00:17:56.440 another planet. I've always said this, Oh I can, I can tell 263 00:17:56.480 --> 00:18:00.160 you about Los Angeles. Well, right, I mean you could say this, 264 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:04.279 being in your hometown as opposed to being in a place like Los Angeles, 265 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:08.279 how does that affect you artistically as a filmmaker. Well, I mean 266 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:15.799 that's really kind of That's exactly why Asteroid happened, because I mean Corey and 267 00:18:15.839 --> 00:18:18.119 I were out there in LA. I was out there for a decade, 268 00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:23.279 He was out there for five years. We both kind of left there around 269 00:18:23.279 --> 00:18:27.720 the same time for different reasons, and both landed back here in our hometown, 270 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:34.079 both of us assuming temporarily until you know, he found because he and 271 00:18:34.119 --> 00:18:38.000 his wife, Danyelle, we're trying to move to either Vermont or Massachusetts. 272 00:18:40.319 --> 00:18:41.920 I was just back in the hometown because the girl I was seeing at the 273 00:18:41.960 --> 00:18:47.039 time, was having some issues with her mom and we were from we were 274 00:18:47.079 --> 00:18:51.359 from Oneana, so like, you know, Corey and I so and that's 275 00:18:51.559 --> 00:18:53.559 really kind of it, because like, you know, the whole point of 276 00:18:53.599 --> 00:18:56.319 me going out to LA was like, all right, well, I need 277 00:18:56.319 --> 00:18:57.640 to get on sets. It's Hollywood, it's Los Angeles, Like it's a 278 00:18:57.759 --> 00:19:00.960 rite of passage, like you want to you want to be in film and 279 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:03.759 you want to like you know, get into the industry for real, Like 280 00:19:03.799 --> 00:19:07.440 that's what you gotta do. Because you know, we had already taken a 281 00:19:07.480 --> 00:19:10.480 couple of trips out there for Loose Change, like you know, when the 282 00:19:10.519 --> 00:19:15.480 movie was supposed to be you know, distributed by Magnolia Pictures and Charlie she 283 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:18.400 was going to narrate it and all this stuff, and then that all you 284 00:19:18.440 --> 00:19:22.000 know, went up and blaze the smoke. So you know, like I 285 00:19:22.119 --> 00:19:25.319 already had previous experience with LA and you know, I already knew a couple 286 00:19:25.319 --> 00:19:26.759 of people out there, and you know, Loose Change had kind of run 287 00:19:26.759 --> 00:19:30.480 its course. So I was like, all right, got to move out 288 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:33.319 to California and I'm gonna start with San Diego and then I'm gonna work my 289 00:19:33.319 --> 00:19:36.759 way up to Los Angeles and then I'm gonna get on as many sets as 290 00:19:36.759 --> 00:19:40.440 i can and you know, hopefully find a way to write and fund and 291 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:45.279 direct and shoot a feature film. So you know, I was, like 292 00:19:45.319 --> 00:19:47.839 I said, it was in LA for almost a decade. Corey moved out 293 00:19:47.960 --> 00:19:51.960 later on in February twenty fourteen because he had finally kind of run his course 294 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:53.720 in Oneana and he wanted you the same thing. And he saw the things 295 00:19:53.720 --> 00:19:56.599 that I was doing out here and he was like, yeah, man, 296 00:19:56.599 --> 00:19:59.519 I want to come out there and give it a try. So so then 297 00:19:59.559 --> 00:20:00.319 he came out there, and then you know, we've got like we've got 298 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:03.680 a job at this one company together. And then like, um, I 299 00:20:03.720 --> 00:20:07.039 was working with Kevin Booth, and then you know, Corey got involved with 300 00:20:07.119 --> 00:20:11.079 Kevin Booth, and then through Kevin Booth, he got involved with this marijuana 301 00:20:11.119 --> 00:20:15.119 millionaire and like, you know, so it's just La connection. Shit, 302 00:20:17.039 --> 00:20:22.640 Um, Ghost of Sophia is it? Call there? That's the one that 303 00:20:22.759 --> 00:20:26.559 Corey and I were working on. Yeah. Excellent, excellent piece. Here 304 00:20:26.559 --> 00:20:30.480 you go, excellent piece there. I didn't I did not recall that you 305 00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:33.519 guys were on that, but I don't we were supposed to be in the 306 00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:37.440 credits because but we also worked on it like way or and this isn't like 307 00:20:37.519 --> 00:20:41.599 a this isn't like a slam or anything. Like I love Kevin, Like 308 00:20:41.640 --> 00:20:44.200 it was great to meet him and work with him. Um, I just 309 00:20:44.240 --> 00:20:47.000 can't remember because I mean, like Cory and I were in there in like 310 00:20:47.039 --> 00:20:49.799 the very beginning stages where it was I don't know if I'm like throwing shade 311 00:20:49.799 --> 00:20:56.079 by bringing this up, um, but like Ghost of Sophia was originally funded 312 00:20:56.119 --> 00:21:02.039 by marijuana Mike of Advanced Nutrients, um. Because like in the like original 313 00:21:02.119 --> 00:21:06.799 original versions of the documentary, like that was like a whole like plot point, 314 00:21:06.839 --> 00:21:08.240 and that was like the whole beginning of the movie. And like we 315 00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:12.200 went we went to Big Mike's mansion like two or three times to like shoot 316 00:21:12.200 --> 00:21:18.160 this like opening scene, you know this quote opening scene, end quote. 317 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:19.720 And I remember one of the times we went to one of these parties and 318 00:21:21.799 --> 00:21:27.640 can I swear ye fucking Max Landis was there and and I had already seen 319 00:21:27.759 --> 00:21:33.559 Max Landis like on the Santa Monica peer shooting his um the his his movie 320 00:21:33.559 --> 00:21:37.240 that he directed me him her I think it was, but like so i'd 321 00:21:37.279 --> 00:21:41.640 like I had already like just randomly like run into Max Landis once before. 322 00:21:42.400 --> 00:21:45.720 And then Corey and I go to Big Mike's mansion up in the Hollywood Hills 323 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:52.079 to shoot another opening scene for Kevin Booth's Uh Bulgaria documentary. And I walk 324 00:21:52.119 --> 00:21:56.119 in and there's fucking Max Landis and I'm just like this Los Angeles. This 325 00:21:56.240 --> 00:22:00.279 is two Los Angeles right now. Um. So, like I said, 326 00:22:00.279 --> 00:22:02.799 I don't think any of the big mic stuff wound up in the final cut, 327 00:22:02.799 --> 00:22:04.119 because yeah, that's right, I watched it when it came out. 328 00:22:04.799 --> 00:22:10.000 Um, but it's so funny that you mentioned that. Um but yeah, 329 00:22:10.039 --> 00:22:12.920 so so Los Angeles is. I was a nobody, no name musician and 330 00:22:12.960 --> 00:22:15.400 the next thing I knew was I was going to a strip club with Tommy 331 00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:21.960 Lee. I mean, weird it well. And that's and that was kind 332 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:23.079 of the nice thing too, is that I kind of felt like a nobody 333 00:22:23.079 --> 00:22:26.279 in LA and I was like, well, great, I mean nobody here. 334 00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:30.319 And that's really That's was kind of the honest truth, because like when 335 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:33.160 I put out like casting calls for short films and when like I started like 336 00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:37.400 meeting people and getting jobs, like nobody was like background checking me and shit 337 00:22:37.519 --> 00:22:38.720 and like googling. Men they were just like, oh, you're the loose 338 00:22:38.839 --> 00:22:41.000 change guy. Never mind. People were just like, you got a camera 339 00:22:41.079 --> 00:22:45.960 and you can shoot great, awesome, here we go. So like and 340 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:51.000 I mean, like in the big editing job that I got UM that pretty 341 00:22:51.079 --> 00:22:53.559 much like kept me alive. Like that next year and a half I was 342 00:22:53.599 --> 00:23:00.519 in la um the reason I like, I didn't I didn't find the job 343 00:23:00.519 --> 00:23:03.160 because of Loose Change. I found the job because when I first got to 344 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:08.720 la in April twenty eleven, and I had this ridiculously overpaid job at a 345 00:23:08.759 --> 00:23:14.359 production house to work on this national geographic show where I was basically like updating 346 00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:15.680 a spreadsheet like maybe once at the end of the day, and I was 347 00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:18.960 literally just like sitting around like most of the time, just waiting for someone 348 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:21.880 to give me something to do. And I kept trying to like branch out 349 00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:22.200 while I was there. I was like, hey man, you can, 350 00:23:22.319 --> 00:23:25.880 you can I edit this and I do that, and you know, so 351 00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:27.799 I was like trying. But anyway, so I was making like way too 352 00:23:27.880 --> 00:23:30.519 much money to do basically nothing Monday through Friday. So I was like, 353 00:23:30.559 --> 00:23:33.960 all right, I'm here in la this is it. I've made it to 354 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:37.359 the city. I've got a really cushy, well paid job, you know, 355 00:23:37.480 --> 00:23:40.759 that's going to take me from April to October. What am I going 356 00:23:40.799 --> 00:23:44.680 to do on the weekends. And I had already like passed around a couple 357 00:23:44.680 --> 00:23:47.000 of short films and things that I wanted to shoot when I was back in 358 00:23:47.000 --> 00:23:48.960 New York. So I was like, I dug a couple of those up. 359 00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:52.079 I found one that I wanted to focus on, and so I, 360 00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:55.160 you know, put out a Craigslist casting call and I got a bunch of 361 00:23:55.319 --> 00:23:57.880 actors together that also wanted to just shoot some stuff. And I shot a 362 00:23:57.880 --> 00:24:02.519 silly little short film Olsen, which I think is still on my YouTube. 363 00:24:02.559 --> 00:24:04.400 I don't really recommend anyone go watch it. There's a couple of cool moments 364 00:24:04.400 --> 00:24:08.880 in there. There's a really cool shot where the guy, the main character, 365 00:24:08.920 --> 00:24:11.839 like takes the clip out of the gun and like gives the clip to 366 00:24:11.839 --> 00:24:12.799 someone else. But the guy was like, oh, there's still one in 367 00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:17.000 the chamber, So he cocks the barrel back and the bullet flies out and 368 00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:19.160 he catches the bullet. That's like a shot that I've always been pretty proud 369 00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:25.880 of. But and so I did that, And so the actress that played 370 00:24:25.920 --> 00:24:30.480 the character Dan Yelle, and that she was friends with these people who had 371 00:24:30.640 --> 00:24:33.640 shot and directed and produced this Crop Circle documentary called The Fieldful of Secrets, 372 00:24:34.920 --> 00:24:37.839 and that had been in production since like two thousand and nine, and so 373 00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:41.440 cut to like the end of twenty and eleven, and the editor had finally 374 00:24:41.519 --> 00:24:44.960 quit because he was tired of working on the movie for so long, and 375 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:48.359 just the film had just been through like so many different versions and revisions and 376 00:24:48.400 --> 00:24:51.720 plot twists. It's just like the editor was just over it. So they 377 00:24:51.720 --> 00:24:53.880 had to find any editors. So they asked this actress Nicole Watson that they 378 00:24:53.920 --> 00:24:56.119 knew, like, Hey, do you know any good editors in town? 379 00:24:56.440 --> 00:25:00.359 And she was like, yes, actually there's this short film but I was 380 00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:03.440 just in. The guy's name is Dylan Avery, and he actually not only 381 00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:04.640 directed it, but he edited it, and the edit was really good, 382 00:25:04.680 --> 00:25:10.039 so maybe you could hire him. So then the producer Dax hit me up, 383 00:25:11.079 --> 00:25:14.839 and through Jax, I drove the Malibu and at Charlie, and then 384 00:25:14.839 --> 00:25:17.680 of course Charlie was just like and you're the guy that made lose change, 385 00:25:17.720 --> 00:25:21.920 Like great, awesome, You're the perfect editor for that. So that documentary 386 00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:26.359 is called a Field full of Secrets, still distributed by Gravitas Ventures. I 387 00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:30.559 don't know where you watch it, but I would assume like to be Roku 388 00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:33.559 all those free to watch sites. That was cool. I mean again, 389 00:25:33.640 --> 00:25:37.920 like like I said, that job kept me going for a long time because 390 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:41.160 we not only edited that documentary and then had to do like revisions on it, 391 00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:45.119 but then he had me do it like a smaller TV cut of it, 392 00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:47.200 and then he's had like a couple things here and there. And actually, 393 00:25:47.720 --> 00:25:52.640 speaking of that, speaking of making future films back in Upstate New York, 394 00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:56.000 there's something that we're doing at the end of September going into October called 395 00:25:56.119 --> 00:26:02.440 Zombie Apache And that's actually from Charlie, the director of Field full of Secrets, 396 00:26:02.480 --> 00:26:04.039 because he's been trying to get a narrative feature film off the ground for 397 00:26:04.160 --> 00:26:08.599 years and then he had this big, multimillion dollar globe trotting picture that he 398 00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:11.279 was trying to get off the ground, and then he got sick of trying 399 00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:14.640 to get that made and he wrote a chief little horror film and then he 400 00:26:14.680 --> 00:26:15.559 sent it to me. I was just like, dude, this is perfect, 401 00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:18.799 Like if like find like a small amount of money for this and bring 402 00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:22.119 it to up State New York and we'll shoot it. And then, you 403 00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:23.799 know, long story short, he found more than a small amount of money 404 00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:27.359 and now he's bringing it here at the end of September, and so we're 405 00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:34.480 shooting for three weeks starting on like September twenty fifth. And it's great Zombie 406 00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:38.759 Apache. That's hoombie Apache. It's gonna be exactly what it sounds like. 407 00:26:38.799 --> 00:26:44.480 And I'm so stoked. I don't like, I'm over trying to like make 408 00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:47.599 ground. I mean this, I hope this doesn't sound like dismissive, but 409 00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:49.319 it's just like again, like I'm just happy to just be making films. 410 00:26:49.359 --> 00:26:52.519 So it's just like I'm not trying to make like high art. Sometimes I 411 00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:55.680 will, sometimes I won't, you know, I'm not trying to change the 412 00:26:55.720 --> 00:26:59.079 world anymore. Like I'm bringing a six figure feature film to Upstate New York 413 00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:02.319 from a friend of mine and we're all gonna shoot it together and have a 414 00:27:02.319 --> 00:27:06.279 great time and you know, move on to the next one. Well exactly, 415 00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:07.680 and look, you know, and I love some of the stuff that 416 00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:11.000 came out in recent years, like the Pizza Gate massacre. Did you happen 417 00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:15.519 to see that. I'm so sorry. Pizza Gate Massacre is the name of 418 00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:18.839 a film. Have you ever heard of that? I've heard of pizza Gate. 419 00:27:19.400 --> 00:27:22.559 Okay, Well there was this thing that they did, like a farcical 420 00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:26.599 thing. It looks like it's filmed on I swear to you, like VHS 421 00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:30.039 cam quarters. It's it's got this like a sound footage thing. Or no, 422 00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:33.759 it's it's a it's a scripted deal where they come up with this. 423 00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:38.240 It's wild it Go ahead and look it up sometime if you really want to, 424 00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:44.079 just like let your mind go into strange conspiracy land. H Well, 425 00:27:44.079 --> 00:27:47.759 that's the thing, like I hear pizza Gate in my mind just like runs 426 00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:51.960 through the nearest wall, like I see. But that's the thing is that 427 00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:55.880 this was perfect for that because I hate I hated all that. It made 428 00:27:55.920 --> 00:28:02.160 me crazy when people I'm so conspiracy out. Yeah. Well this was a 429 00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:04.640 great answer to it though, because this was like a farcical look at it 430 00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:11.640 and had a really interesting plot to it and really fascinating believable characters where somebody 431 00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:18.200 is trying to film a documentary in the storyline. It's very interesting. Anyway. 432 00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:22.359 The reason why I bring it up is because I started to note that 433 00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:26.559 there is a time coming here where there's going to be a confluence of this 434 00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:32.480 stuff where you know, in some cases people are going to make narrative pieces 435 00:28:32.519 --> 00:28:36.559 out of stuff that was done before. Like I know that there was an 436 00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:41.880 attempt to sort of make a narrative farcical version of like you doing certain films 437 00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:48.359 in the past that somebody pitched as an idea, and I started it was 438 00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:52.559 meant to be like a comedy version of you guys doing what you had done 439 00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:56.640 a long time ago, right, And I thought it was interesting. I 440 00:28:56.680 --> 00:29:00.079 don't think it ever got made, but I saw it pitched around. Some 441 00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:03.279 of these films are interesting, Uh, the different ways that you know, 442 00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:06.960 the art gets kind of sent back through the meat grinder and put back out 443 00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:10.839 as a different sausage, you know what I mean. And so what I 444 00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:14.519 was wondering is here's the long way around to the question. What I was 445 00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:17.799 wondering is you know, first of all, if you would be into that 446 00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:21.079 kind of thing, if at some point you felt like, you know, 447 00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:25.240 I might do a farcical answer to some of these things to finally sort of 448 00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:27.640 just vent about you know what, all the stuff that you're kind of over 449 00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:33.359 regarding conspiracy land. If that was something that you you'd be interested in doing, 450 00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:37.680 because I think you would make a hell of an interesting cut and a 451 00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:41.079 hell of an interesting movie out of something like that, where if you took 452 00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:45.640 and just decided not to look at yourself so seriously, and maybe others not 453 00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:51.240 mentioning any names, maybe others h you know, in the conspiracy culture, 454 00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:53.920 so to speak. I like, I'd love to see you make a cartoon, 455 00:29:53.960 --> 00:30:00.759 believe it or not, that that really took lots of interest, loving 456 00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:03.599 shots at a lot of things, you know, in the land of stuff 457 00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:07.079 that you care about, but you've also been exhausted from. I think it 458 00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:11.960 would be an interesting look. And that's how I felt about that Pizzagate massacre 459 00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:15.960 thing, which was really an insane movie that you know that somebody got into 460 00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:18.839 it and you know it said, you know, after a while, they 461 00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:22.680 were exhausted, and let's take this and really throw it up against the wall 462 00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:26.000 and turn it into something else. So I was curious about that, but 463 00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:30.319 you know what, never mind, you've mentioned Asteroid a few times and I 464 00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:34.319 got I'm ashamed to say I haven't seen it, So do me a favor. 465 00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:38.880 I'm already interested because Asteroid's an interesting name. What the hell are you 466 00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:41.720 doing? Are you doing space movies? I don't know, haven't looked at 467 00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:45.440 any of it. Okay, tell me about it from somebody who has no 468 00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:48.599 clue about what's going on, because I don't when it comes to that movie 469 00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:52.240 at all. You know, I was aware that you were doing some talks 470 00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:55.480 here and there. I was aware that you were doing some other films, 471 00:30:55.759 --> 00:30:59.519 but I have not exposed myself to any of that on purpose so that I 472 00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:07.240 could get a first impression from you. How how crafty of you you really 473 00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:15.079 saved it there at the end. Yeah, you know, like I said, 474 00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:17.680 like Corey and I had just moved back to our hometown, and we're 475 00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:19.160 like, all right, we're here, like we're not in La anymore, 476 00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:22.559 like we can, like we're back here in Oneana. Like, hey, 477 00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:27.119 let's just write a silly, little, cheap little comedy script that we could 478 00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:32.599 shoot back in our hometown, not even just for fun, you know, 479 00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:33.279 like, hey, who knows, maybe we won't shoot it. You know, 480 00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:36.440 maybe we'll shoot it, maybe we won't. Maybe we'll find the money, 481 00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:37.839 maybe we won't. But let's just write a silly little script about being 482 00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:42.400 back in our hometown and around that same time, you know, um, 483 00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:47.359 well, because that was kind of the catalyst too, because after you know, 484 00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:51.279 landing back in New York and him and his wife kind of trying and 485 00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:53.559 failing to move to other states. You know, his wife got a really 486 00:31:53.599 --> 00:31:57.880 well paid job doing human resources that paid more than her old job in LA 487 00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:02.200 and Corey was like, well, my parents are here. Your parents are 488 00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:06.279 here, Like I mean, we're back here with our our kid and soon 489 00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:10.319 to be second kid. Let's just stay here in Oniana. So they bought 490 00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:13.880 a house right on the outside of town, and like Corey had been there 491 00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:15.880 for like a week or two, and he was just like all right, 492 00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:17.640 cool, like I just got a house, you know, like things were 493 00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:21.920 looking pretty good, like knowing my luck and Asteroid's gonna hit my house. 494 00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:23.880 And so this is kind of like a private thought that he's having, like 495 00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:28.279 in his backyard. And then like a couple of days later he calls me, 496 00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:30.920 it's just like, yo, I got I have. So I have 497 00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:32.920 a white board in my home office here, you know, I'm just moving 498 00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:37.680 in. I have a couple ideas on the white board for movies that we 499 00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:40.480 could make. So come on over and let's pick an idea and let's write 500 00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:45.759 it. And so I went over and they were like two other ideas on 501 00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:47.759 the white board. One of them was about like an uber ride gone wrong. 502 00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:51.680 But I was like, well, you know that movie Stubor just came 503 00:32:51.720 --> 00:32:54.519 out with Dave Bautista, and you know, I don't, I don't know, 504 00:32:54.960 --> 00:32:59.160 I don't, I don't see anything there. But then the other idea, 505 00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:04.640 it's probably nine hundred Reddit posts and creepy pastas about that already anyway exactly. 506 00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:08.079 Oh yeah. I was like yeah. But then the other idea was 507 00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:14.119 Man's house gets hit by asteroid and I saw that and I was like, 508 00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:16.920 bad, I don't know what that movie is, but we should write that 509 00:33:16.960 --> 00:33:20.920 one. And we did. We just kind of started. But it's just 510 00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:22.039 like, all right, well, here's like our opening scene, and you 511 00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:25.400 know, we figured out we wanted to have like a married couple with a 512 00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:29.799 you know, moody teenage daughter, and you know, we could make all 513 00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:34.720 of our silly little oneona jokes and small town jokes and keep it kind of 514 00:33:34.759 --> 00:33:37.079 like cheap and character driven in simple because you know, that was the only 515 00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:40.759 way people are going to watch the whole thing. We just had fun with 516 00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:45.759 it, and I mean like that was really it like every Monday at least. 517 00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:46.559 And you know, a lot of this was written over the winter too, 518 00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:52.000 so you know, because we started in October twenty nineteen and then like 519 00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:57.079 powered through the winter January February. And it was nice because it was really 520 00:33:57.079 --> 00:34:00.599 nothing much else to do. So yeah, like I over there on like 521 00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:02.480 a snowy day and we'd have some coffee and you know, smoke a little 522 00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:05.759 weed and just work on our silly little script. You know. We had 523 00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:08.480 to just have little index cards with like plot points that we'd be like shuffling 524 00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:13.000 around on his big dining room table. And in fact, like if for 525 00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:16.639 some reason you wind up watching asteroid and make sure you're watching the right asteroid 526 00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:21.719 from twenty twenty one, that says like Kyle Carbon Well, because there's like 527 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:24.639 there's like a disaster films like ninety six or ninety seven. But if you 528 00:34:24.679 --> 00:34:29.400 see the thumbnail and it's three people standing in front of the house that's being 529 00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:34.079 hit by an asteroid, then you'll know you've found the right one. But 530 00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:37.360 um, well, look that's interesting. Now I've got Now I've got a 531 00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:39.920 couple of quick sort of fanboy questions and I want to give you enough room 532 00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:45.360 to let the answer breathe. So and so here they go. Is all 533 00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:51.519 right? Look, you obviously started at one place, coming to notice internationally 534 00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:53.719 and stuff like that, through one project, and now you've been through a 535 00:34:53.800 --> 00:35:00.639 whole lot of other things, a maturation process as a filmmaker. I'm sure 536 00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:04.559 your dream ideas have changed. You know, what's the big thing? What 537 00:35:04.639 --> 00:35:07.159 would be the greatest thing to happen? Right? Maybe you started out with 538 00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:09.679 one idea and maybe it's changed over the years, or maybe it hasn't. 539 00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:15.119 Maybe you still have this one big dream idea, Like if I had all 540 00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:20.719 the resources in the world to work with for one project, what would that 541 00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:24.920 dream absolute project be for you personally? What would it be? And you 542 00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:29.199 know, tell me about it, and you know what would it take to 543 00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:30.480 make it happen? Has it already happened? I don't know. Maybe you've 544 00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:35.000 already lived your dream. If you have, tell me how you did that, 545 00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:37.000 because I don't know anybody who could tells me that. Usually even if 546 00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:42.079 they've lived their dream, they usually have another. But tell me about it. 547 00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:45.639 What would be your dream project at this point, after going from well 548 00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:51.840 being a completely unknown independent guy who rose to prominence, went through a whole 549 00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:54.559 bunch of different things in the business. In the industry has gone through many 550 00:35:54.639 --> 00:36:01.360 changes now over a significant period of time. Where does your dream project, 551 00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:05.719 like, if I could do this tomorrow, this boom, what would it 552 00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:10.480 be? Well, honestly, the answer to that used to be direct to 553 00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:15.920 narrative feature film. But I've done that. Okay. I hate to give 554 00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:20.000 you such a short, anti climactic answer, but I mean, no, 555 00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:22.800 that's really it. I mean that was because again, that was my whole 556 00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:24.239 mantra, and that was my whole reason for being out in LA And that's 557 00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:28.719 why I fought so hard and so long to stay out there and survive, 558 00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:30.639 because I was like, well, you know, I'm out here to do 559 00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:32.920 the thing. I'm out here to make a movie. And even if I 560 00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:36.360 don't make it here in La, I gotta I gotta make the connections, 561 00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:38.239 et cetera, et cetera. But do you have a specific Wait, you 562 00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:42.119 don't have a specific like, Look, I want this actor, I want 563 00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:45.519 to tell this story. I want to nothing like that. I want to 564 00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:49.079 do a slasher flick, something crazy, nothing like that. No, I 565 00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:52.480 mean, like, there's I mean there's a couple of movies that I'd like 566 00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:53.760 to directors. I mean, there's one that Corey and I are talking about 567 00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:57.639 writing. We haven't really made progress on it, but I'm just saying, 568 00:36:57.679 --> 00:37:01.199 like, for the longest time, that was my Like I'm I'm If it 569 00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:05.159 sounds like a cop out, I assure you it's not. Like that was 570 00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:08.440 my That was my thing. That was my goal for the longest time, 571 00:37:08.559 --> 00:37:13.840 especially post loose Change and especially moving out to California and especially being in LA 572 00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:15.679 I was like, I just I just want to direct, like a real 573 00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:19.400 feature film with actors in the script. Like, I mean, I know 574 00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:22.800 I can do it. Um. That was my go too, Like I 575 00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:24.760 said that, that was the dream. That was it for so long, 576 00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:29.760 that was the only thing I wanted to do. Um. And then I 577 00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:34.039 did with Asteroid, and then you know, that led to us bringing more 578 00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:36.960 film stuff state in New York. And like, I don't believe this has 579 00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:38.239 come up yet. I know it came up in like our back and forth, 580 00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:44.639 but I actually just finished I'm almost done, you know, excuse me, 581 00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:47.519 recording an album of original songs, you know, like so like and 582 00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:50.920 that used that was my dream too, because I was like, I wish 583 00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:53.440 I could dig up my old music and figure and finish all that stuff too. 584 00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:59.920 So I've made the feature film I've I'm I have, I have done 585 00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:04.360 like creatively, Well, you know, I kind of already you kind of 586 00:38:04.360 --> 00:38:07.599 already hit your creative dream that you wanted to begin with. All right, 587 00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:09.079 well, let me let me throw another curveball at you then. Uh. 588 00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:14.119 Look, as far as television goes and television has changed in that very same 589 00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:17.760 time period that you were steep in the business, is there a television property 590 00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:22.800 that you would love to participate in or do you have no desire to play 591 00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:27.199 around in the in the new world or old world of it? I mean, 592 00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:29.159 or are you one of these guys who's like, you know, secretly, 593 00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:31.519 I've always wanted to do a Star Trek uh you know something like that. 594 00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:34.599 I mean, tell me, look, I'm actually a Star Trek fans. 595 00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:37.119 That's why I brought it up. But um, you know, and 596 00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:39.960 I know that's a cliche, passe and all that, but I am what 597 00:38:40.039 --> 00:38:44.400 I am. Um, the thing is, do you have anything like that? 598 00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:46.519 Is there? Actually? Yeah, yeah, I can kind of answer 599 00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:52.719 that question and your previous question again. Um, but maybe also with the 600 00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:57.199 caveat that maybe I don't want to do that anymore. Um, but I 601 00:38:57.239 --> 00:39:01.599 always thought it would be interesting to do UM and I hate to It's tricky 602 00:39:01.639 --> 00:39:05.639 because like live action means so many different things now, but I always wanted 603 00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:08.480 to do kind of a live action version of The Max. And I know 604 00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:15.559 this is an extremely deep cut, but it was. It's a comic series 605 00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:19.400 by Sam Keith. It was adapted by MTV into MTV's Oddities back in like 606 00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:23.559 the super late nineties, really obscure cartoon, big purple guy with the yellow 607 00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:29.559 claws and he is obsessed with his social worker named Julie, who's a leopard 608 00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:35.159 queen in an alternate dimension called Pangaya or same cartoon. You know what. 609 00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:37.559 We were talking about this on on my network about okay, okay, so 610 00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:42.559 you know exactly what I'm talking about. Okay. So I always thought, 611 00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:45.719 but but not like full live action, because the thing that makes The Max 612 00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:51.280 work, and especially with the animated series is Sam Keith's artwork. And so 613 00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:53.679 to try to find a way to shoot all of the real world elements with 614 00:39:53.840 --> 00:40:00.239 like a real world Max, or all the real world elements with like still 615 00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:04.800 an animated Max and then maybe when they're in the outback it's like full stand 616 00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:08.599 key style, full like cell shaded and maybe again this is like an intense 617 00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:15.920 undertaking, but I mean after you know, into and across the Spider Verse, 618 00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:20.199 like I mean, fuck, anything's possible with animation. But so again 619 00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:22.639 going back to the caveat like for a long time, that was like that 620 00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:25.559 was like the big, big, big dream project, Like oh if I 621 00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:29.880 could really just make anything and someone at a studio was just like, go 622 00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:32.159 make this, then that would for a long time it would be it. 623 00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:37.000 But I think that in my attempts to do some tests for that and to 624 00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:39.280 try to figure it out, it's like, I don't know, I don't 625 00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:43.239 know if it would work, and maybe there's like a fine line because like 626 00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:45.599 since City kind of managed to pull it off, but I mean they really 627 00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:51.000 took a lot of live action backgrounds or CG elements and really kind of still 628 00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:53.519 made a look photorealistic. There was never like an actual well there were a 629 00:40:53.519 --> 00:40:58.599 couple shots where they went like full on comic, full comic, but anyway, 630 00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:01.320 so you see the challenge there, because like you can't just make just 631 00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:05.400 a live action the Max and just have like a CG MAX and that's it, 632 00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:10.360 like you have to like immediately, yeah, immediately, I'm picturing motion 633 00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:14.800 capture stuff like Andy Circus style and uh, you know, and a few 634 00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:17.639 other things having to be blended together. Yeah, a lot of shading and 635 00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:21.239 yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, again, I don't know 636 00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:23.079 the proper terms, I don't know how that works exactly, but I mean 637 00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:27.400 mechanically, I'm thinking about it, and it's like that would be a crazy 638 00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:30.360 thing to try and pull off, and you would create some unique reason even 639 00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:36.679 just in uh in in starting to do the groundwork for that, you'd probably 640 00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:40.519 create you'd probably have to create a new uh a new methodology for doing something. 641 00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:45.360 It would take it would take probably just a year of pre production, 642 00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:49.000 like just to get to look like just right right, I mean, that's 643 00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:51.800 that's a crazy project. But that okay, So that would be the only 644 00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:55.119 like television sort of like if at this point Paramount owns a lot of the 645 00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:59.159 MTV stuff. But if Paramount came to you and said, look, we 646 00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:00.840 want to do live action the MAX, you'd be like, I'm in, 647 00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:07.639 I mean sure, yeah, in this in this hypothetical dimension where that happens 648 00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:12.079 here, absolutely Okay, Hey, that's what I'm throwing at you. Yet 649 00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:14.239 No, trust me, I hear you. I'm not. I'm not throwing 650 00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:15.920 shade back at you. Like yes, if if for some reason, I 651 00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:19.880 was in a room where that meeting was happening, I'd be like, yes, 652 00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:22.960 let's yeah. Hey, I never knew what I was gonna get there. 653 00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:23.800 You could have told me, look, I want to do uh you 654 00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:29.000 know Rosanne meets Friday the thirteenth to Horror Movie Edition. You could have told 655 00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:31.519 me anything, you know, it would have been cool. But I find 656 00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:36.719 this really interesting because the max is it would be very difficult. Good. 657 00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:39.039 That's that's why I want to do it, because it would be difficult, 658 00:42:39.039 --> 00:42:44.679 but it would be worth it. Yeah, definitely definitely. Okay, So, 659 00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:47.320 um, last thing. And I am also a fan of animation, 660 00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:52.119 certain animation styles. Um, And I don't know what you feel about, 661 00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:57.280 you know, direct sort of colorized animation. But have you ever considered doing 662 00:42:57.320 --> 00:43:02.599 a project like that full on animation? M not in a long time. 663 00:43:04.639 --> 00:43:07.719 Okay. I used to like, I used to have like cheeky little ideas 664 00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:13.760 like you know, this is like like teenage edge lord type shit. But 665 00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:15.679 you know where I was like, oh, well, I want to make 666 00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:20.599 a make a movie that looks like a children's movie with like really cute animation 667 00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:24.199 and just like put Q scenes in there so that they can be in the 668 00:43:24.199 --> 00:43:29.119 trailer. And so like you just see this like extremely like family friendly trailer 669 00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:31.559 where it just like it just seems like you're running the mill like children's film. 670 00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:34.880 But then in the end it's just like rated R. And you're like, 671 00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:39.000 wait, sorry, what sort of like that Muppet sort of like that 672 00:43:39.079 --> 00:43:43.480 Muppet murder movie that came out not too long ago. Except people to make 673 00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:45.320 a good movie. Okay, I got yeah, hypothetically, yeah, but 674 00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:49.239 I mean again, like it's it's like sausage party, Like I mean, 675 00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:51.800 just like just describing that to you, it just sounds like a gimmick. 676 00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:54.960 So it's just like all right, well apart from apart from cheeky marketing tactics, 677 00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:59.039 like what's the movie actually about? And what is the actual movie? 678 00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:02.239 So and again that's like I said, that's that's some Edgeloord ship that never 679 00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:06.880 got off the planning stage. That's the only thing. That's the only thing. 680 00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:09.679 And then again like the Max would also be and especially like I said, 681 00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:14.639 now, especially after seeing Across the Spider Verse, like I mean, 682 00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:17.039 animation can do a lot now, because I mean I think that would be 683 00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:22.239 it like you would I yeah, you would have to find a way to 684 00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:27.480 like emulate Sam Keith style but not be ripping it off, but also kind 685 00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:30.480 of create like a new visual language with it um where like I said, 686 00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:34.960 like when you're where you're in the outback, it's like full full on art 687 00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:38.280 um, you know, like like in in Spider Verse when like when Stacy's 688 00:44:38.280 --> 00:44:42.559 talking to her dad, and like every cut between each frame is like a 689 00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:45.599 different impression is painting, maybe not like that extreme, but so maybe like 690 00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:50.159 when you're in the outby outback, it's like full on, and then maybe 691 00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:53.159 when Julie's in the real world with Max, you know, which is And 692 00:44:53.199 --> 00:44:55.679 again that's how that's like, this is why I kind of like hit a 693 00:44:55.760 --> 00:44:59.039 roadblock with it. While I was like, all right, well, the 694 00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:04.159 Max in reality when he's not in the outback still looks like the Max with 695 00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:07.719 the big purple outfit and the clause. But then he also wears his homeless 696 00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:10.880 Dave outfit, which is just you know, the trench coat and the hat 697 00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:14.239 when he's like you know, out in public and he's not the Max, 698 00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:19.239 so like how would that work, Like would a real life trench coade go 699 00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:22.559 on top of like animated Max. And you know, so it's it's a 700 00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:25.559 lot of things like that to consider and like what what's the appropriate move that 701 00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:29.840 also isn't going to make your VFX people, So I can want to jump 702 00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:31.719 out the window well, right, and you don't want to end up like 703 00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:36.280 one of the Spawn movies. Uh, not not mentioning which one. I 704 00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:38.159 mean one of them came out good, one of them didn't. Uh but 705 00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:42.760 you know, and I'm not saying good as in that's the best they could 706 00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:45.400 have done, but you know, sort of like quality, right we are 707 00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:50.039 talking about the one with John like Guizamo as the clown, right, yes, 708 00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:52.840 yes, okay, yeah no, And again like a great, great 709 00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:57.800 idea, just like not the perfect execution, but I mean, right, 710 00:45:57.880 --> 00:46:00.559 you know, it's got its charm. But and that's and that and that 711 00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:02.440 was that was kind of like that period in time where it looked like there 712 00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:06.800 might be a live action Max because like I think it was right around that 713 00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:12.480 sing when was that ninety eight saw the Yeah, so ninety eight that would 714 00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:15.800 have been around the same time that the Max was either on air or had 715 00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:19.760 already wrapped up or was about to be on air, But that probably would 716 00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:22.639 have been around the same time that people were talking to Sam Key, because 717 00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:24.480 he's mentioned it off handy. He's just like, oh, there's been many 718 00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:30.000 talks about a max movie. It's never happened, um, which you know, 719 00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:31.800 and it's actually a shame because like one of the reasons that I wanted 720 00:46:31.880 --> 00:46:37.719 to do it is because William Messner Loebs, who's the guy that wrote all 721 00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:40.960 the dialogue in the Max at least you know, in the first you know, 722 00:46:43.400 --> 00:46:45.840 the first issues that are the genesis of the MTV series. You know, 723 00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:51.039 once Sam Keith took over the writing, it became it became a little 724 00:46:51.079 --> 00:46:53.599 too sam Keith in some people's opinion, Um, but that was a great 725 00:46:53.599 --> 00:46:58.920 balance about like Sam Keith's artwork in Sam's world and like the dialogue that Mester 726 00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:05.000 Loves came up with, and Mester Loebs has had medical issues for years now, 727 00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:07.840 and I mean, like it was it was a decade ago that I 728 00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:09.599 wanted to make a Maxi movie just so I could, you know, hopefully 729 00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:13.239 help them with their medical bills. So I can only even imagine what they're 730 00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:15.679 doing now, but you know, and that was the thing. It's like 731 00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:20.159 this guy had like helped treat this like iconic piece of art that's a lot 732 00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:22.639 of people know about and a lot of people don't. And I think was 733 00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:23.480 kind of like part of my thing where it was just like, well, 734 00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:27.599 it'd be nice for you know, new people to discover The Max, would 735 00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:30.480 be nice for the guy that wrote the dialogue for it to actually have his 736 00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:32.440 medical bills paid, you know, not trying to make it sound like some 737 00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:37.280 big philanthropic thing, but you know, the dialogue, Well, let's point 738 00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:39.719 at something really quickly here since you mentioned it. The dialogue in The Max 739 00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:45.760 is some of the most unique stuff I've ever seen put to us. Unique 740 00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:52.239 dialogue ever put to animation in English yet I've ever seen, which is really, 741 00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:55.280 really, really something because there's been a lot of attempts to make trippy 742 00:47:55.320 --> 00:47:58.639 this and that and the other thing. I mean everything from that, Uh, 743 00:47:59.079 --> 00:48:02.679 what is that the Midnight Confidential or whatever where they're really trying too hard. 744 00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:07.639 No, no, no, The Midnight something or other the guy apparently 745 00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:10.800 as a podcast and he goes out to different parts of the universe and it's 746 00:48:10.840 --> 00:48:15.559 really as it's an attempt to be way too trippy. You know. It's 747 00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:19.719 like adult swim after way too long of a bender. Um, you know, 748 00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:23.159 stuff like that. We're in an interesting time where a lot of things 749 00:48:23.159 --> 00:48:29.039 can be done, but for somebody to write uniquely layered dialogue like what was 750 00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:32.960 in The Max is really rare. So uh so we need to point to 751 00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:37.719 that quickly here that if you do to go back and dig that up, 752 00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:39.519 somebody listening to us right now, you go and dig up The Max and 753 00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:45.199 you go check it out, you're going to find something that is not easily 754 00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:51.119 compared to something else elsewhere when it comes to the the the dialogue psychologically, 755 00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:54.719 it is a completely different sort of art from that. It's the whole thing. 756 00:48:55.199 --> 00:48:59.639 Like I remember, like because I like I think I was just like 757 00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:04.079 getting home from a paper route one morning and I saw a trailer for and 758 00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:07.440 it was for like the series finale too, so like I hadn't seen the 759 00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:09.000 show or heard of that at all, and I just saw the commercial for 760 00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:13.559 the series finale. I was like, what is this thing that I am 761 00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:15.559 looking at? Like and so like I think, I like tuned in and 762 00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:17.519 watched finally when it aired, I was like, all right. Well, 763 00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:21.159 now I have a whole lass show to catch up on because I have no 764 00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:23.000 idea what I just saw, but I know it was really fucking cool. 765 00:49:23.880 --> 00:49:29.039 Um, So I'm so glad you knew what I was talking about with the 766 00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:31.239 Max. I was not expecting that at all in the Days Kitties, in 767 00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:35.199 the Days Kitties, when we didn't have on demand every damn thing, so 768 00:49:35.239 --> 00:49:37.599 you had to actually work at it to go back and catch up on a 769 00:49:37.639 --> 00:49:40.519 series. Yeah, of course, just just got to remind people every now 770 00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:45.400 and then that not everything was available for download on the internet right away, 771 00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:50.159 you know, because they don't remember or they weren't alive. That's the other 772 00:49:50.199 --> 00:49:52.800 thing. Anyways, Dylan, you know I'm about to run out of time 773 00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:54.920 on you because I didn't want to keep you over an hour and we're just 774 00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:59.400 about there, and I have not asked you about what's coming up in the 775 00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:02.519 near future for you. I'd like you to point people too. I'm obviously 776 00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:07.639 in the show notes, gonna give you guys the link tree away so you 777 00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:09.760 can go watch Asteroid, which he just gave me a pitch for and I 778 00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:14.239 purposely avoid it. Now I'll go watch it, hopefully I'll be able to 779 00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:15.840 get you back on in the future, and when I do, I'll tell 780 00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:20.760 you about what I thought of Asteroid, but but that'll be for later. 781 00:50:21.400 --> 00:50:23.280 What's coming up soon? What are you putting out soon? Or what are 782 00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:27.840 you working on that you'd like to tell people about, or maybe you could 783 00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:30.920 hint at something that you can't really tell people about. I mean, floor 784 00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:35.639 is open to you. What what's upcoming for Dylan Avery And also aside from 785 00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:38.199 the link tree, which again will be in the show notes at you know 786 00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:43.119 wherever I post the podcast, and we'll make shorts up on ROCKFNP guys, 787 00:50:43.480 --> 00:50:46.760 so you can follow up and catch up on Dylan's work, but tell people 788 00:50:46.760 --> 00:50:52.760 what else they could do or we look at aside from that, mostly just 789 00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:57.480 the album that I'm wrapping up. I'm pretty stoked about that. Oh, 790 00:50:57.519 --> 00:51:00.000 I didn't even ask you about you you know, I'm also a musician. 791 00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:01.440 I didn't even ask you about music. Again, I got lost on the 792 00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:08.199 film. Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, a decade ago, 793 00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:12.639 when I was living in La I you know, I wrote a song 794 00:51:12.679 --> 00:51:15.280 and I was pretty stoked about it, and I recorded it and that was 795 00:51:15.320 --> 00:51:19.960 gonna be the first song of an entire album, and then I recorded that, 796 00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:22.400 wrote a couple more, and then kind of hit the wall and was 797 00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:25.079 so happy with the recording of the one song. I was like, I'm 798 00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:28.840 not going to do anything else as good as this. How I'm gonna make 799 00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:32.679 a whole album a crap. And then, you know, last summer, 800 00:51:32.719 --> 00:51:37.760 I kind of started knocking, just like just random lyrics would just kind of 801 00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:39.599 like pop around in my head, and then you know, I you know, 802 00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:43.599 a bunch of things happened, and like I started singing more, and 803 00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:45.559 then a bunch of more things happened, and then I was sitting on my 804 00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:51.159 couch at the end of last year, um like mid to the end of 805 00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:53.079 December, and I just had a whole bunch of shit weighing down on me, 806 00:51:53.159 --> 00:51:59.000 and I picked up my guitar and I started singing a song that was 807 00:51:59.039 --> 00:52:00.679 based off of one of those lines. It was bounced around in my head 808 00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:06.440 a couple of months ago, and I coincidentally, like that week I had 809 00:52:06.440 --> 00:52:09.320 to go up to Ithaca, speaking of Ithaca to film the Jim Cotto New 810 00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:14.119 Year's Eve shows, and I purposely just booked myself a hotel for that entire 811 00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:15.039 week leading up to it because I was like, I just need to get 812 00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:19.559 the fuck out of oneana. I'm gonna bring up my guitar and my laptop. 813 00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:22.199 I don't really know what I'm gonna do when I'm up there. And 814 00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:24.960 then but then like like the day or two before I had left, I 815 00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:28.559 had written that song, and again like I didn't just like write the song, 816 00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:30.400 like I picked up my guitar and it just fucking came out, which 817 00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:37.159 had never really happened ever before. So then like in Ithaca leading up to 818 00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:40.679 New Year's Eve, I fucking tracked the whole song and demo mode guy even 819 00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:44.800 like I borrowed I like texted the drummer from the band. I was like, 820 00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:46.119 hey, packy, this is gonna sound really weird and random, because 821 00:52:46.159 --> 00:52:51.800 again, like nobody in my life knew that I made or played guitar or 822 00:52:51.880 --> 00:52:54.559 like made music at all, or like at all nobody knew. So texting 823 00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:57.639 the drummer of Jim Cotto was just like, hey man, this is really 824 00:52:57.719 --> 00:53:00.360 random. But like if a microphone, I can borrow something and I really 825 00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:01.199 got to record. He's like, yeah, man, I got a baby 826 00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:04.480 bottle, Michael, So I get on down to you, and I like 827 00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:07.960 I ran up to the local musicians supply store, and I even got myself 828 00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:13.119 a brand new like XLR USB adapter and a brand new micstand because I didn't 829 00:53:13.119 --> 00:53:14.960 bring those things up because I didn't think I was gonna need it. But 830 00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:16.159 I was like, well, you know whatever, And it's funny because then 831 00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:20.960 like I bought those things, and then you know, I recorded the demo 832 00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:22.599 of Fallen, and then I got home, and then while I was in 833 00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:27.119 Ithaca, I got a call from someone who lived in my mom's building telling 834 00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:30.360 me that my mom wasn't doing really good. So like, as I was 835 00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:32.719 driving down to Ashell to go see my mom, I started like workshopping another 836 00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:37.719 song in my head and then went down there and my mom said a bunch 837 00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:39.320 of things that really kind of bothered me, and so then I turned those 838 00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:42.960 into lyrics for that song I was already working on on the way down. 839 00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:45.800 And then I got back to New York and then started digging up the Google 840 00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:50.440 docs from like a decade ago of songs that I had written and songs that 841 00:53:50.480 --> 00:53:53.400 I had started and not finished and like all these things, and so the 842 00:53:53.480 --> 00:53:58.719 album is like half stuff from a decade ago that I never finished or I 843 00:53:58.760 --> 00:54:01.159 did or I never recorded, and then half of it his new stuff from 844 00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:05.880 you know, the last couple of years or the last couple I mean almost 845 00:54:05.920 --> 00:54:10.679 a year now, Summer Breeze, yeah, August. But no, I'm 846 00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:15.920 I'm I'm really really stoked about that because again, like I started making an 847 00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:20.599 album a decade ago and I basically gave up, and like literally over the 848 00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:22.559 last decade, I've been like fuck, man, Like I've I've listened to 849 00:54:22.559 --> 00:54:25.960 that old song and I'd be like, I really should I should have done 850 00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:30.440 something with this, Like I should have done something with this, Like what 851 00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:35.239 is it too late? Like I've seen everyone else like making music and making 852 00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:37.440 beats and all this stuff, and you know, I was just like, 853 00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:40.920 man, well I can't do that. But now I am, and I'm 854 00:54:40.920 --> 00:54:50.719 feeling really fucking good about it. I see that our host has disappeared or 855 00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:58.559 at least no longer visible. Yeah, I think he dropped out and had 856 00:54:58.719 --> 00:55:04.119 technical difficult He's on that one. Cool, so but we're still rolling. 857 00:55:04.199 --> 00:55:07.360 You know, you brought up something interesting. Um, you said that that 858 00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:10.840 one song just pop you open up your case, and that you you picked 859 00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:15.119 up your guitar and that that song just kind of appeared. Yeah, I 860 00:55:15.960 --> 00:55:21.360 like writing simple songs. And I've had that experience before where you just you 861 00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:23.639 don't know what you just basically I'll just pick up the guitar and I've done 862 00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:27.880 this a few times and you'll get a rift, you'll get a rhythm in 863 00:55:27.920 --> 00:55:30.679 your head, and you'll work it out and then you know, like basic 864 00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:34.400 things, so chorus first, ending, a little arrangement, and then after 865 00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:37.440 the end of the afternoon. If you're looking at this and going, huh, 866 00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:40.960 it ain't the world created a song, but hell, it's a song 867 00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:45.880 and it's not too bad, you know. So that that's an interesting experience. 868 00:55:46.639 --> 00:55:52.239 Um, when you write, do you normally write like with lyrics? 869 00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:54.440 First you hear a melody in your head? Do you start on the guitar, 870 00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:59.360 the piano or how's that process? So, and a lot of it, 871 00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:00.920 a lot of songs, Like for me at least, this is you 872 00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:04.760 know, my process. And again this is part of what tripped me up 873 00:56:04.760 --> 00:56:08.079 a decade ago because like I started one song, like I wrote and finished 874 00:56:08.119 --> 00:56:10.119 something beautiful and like one day and I was like, oh my god, 875 00:56:10.159 --> 00:56:12.920 great, I wrote a song. This is great, this is everything I 876 00:56:12.920 --> 00:56:15.480 need right here. But then like as I started writing others. I just 877 00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:16.440 started getting caught into a loop. And I was just like, well, 878 00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:22.159 I don't know maybe, but so for whatever reason, that will happen. 879 00:56:22.239 --> 00:56:27.119 But then a lot of the things that happened starting last summer, and a 880 00:56:27.159 --> 00:56:29.840 lot of those things that I later turned into songs, especially the one fall 881 00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:31.880 that came out on the couch. It's I referred to it as like a 882 00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:37.800 seed, so like like just can't stop waiting for the other shoot to drop. 883 00:56:39.079 --> 00:56:42.840 That was like that was a hook that was just in my head for 884 00:56:42.880 --> 00:56:45.760 a while, and I did, I did. I would just be driving 885 00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:49.119 on the highway and like I'm not even like thinking about writing music or thinking 886 00:56:49.159 --> 00:56:52.719 about songs, but I would just be driving and just like just can't stop 887 00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:54.920 waiting for the other shoot and not even like not even a melody, but 888 00:56:55.039 --> 00:57:00.360 just the just the thought, just the phrase the seed. And like I 889 00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:04.119 was driving on a back road like in last autumn, and I was looking 890 00:57:04.159 --> 00:57:07.559 it was fall, and I was looking at the autumn leaves and I was 891 00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:08.880 thinking about the girl that I was hooking up with at the time, and 892 00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:13.599 I was like, you know, the autumn leaves are just so pretty, 893 00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:15.920 you know, just like the leaves on falling, just like simple shit, 894 00:57:16.360 --> 00:57:21.679 really simple shit. But then, like I said, then I picked up 895 00:57:21.719 --> 00:57:23.760 my guitar one night and like I was just like just fucking around with chords, 896 00:57:23.800 --> 00:57:29.800 and like I wasn't even really like necessarily trying to write that song or 897 00:57:30.280 --> 00:57:32.639 revisited or even finish it, but I just like I found like doo doo 898 00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:36.639 doo doo doo doo doo doo doo, and like I found these chords and 899 00:57:36.679 --> 00:57:39.559 then I was just like, don't get used to the sunshine because and then 900 00:57:39.679 --> 00:57:43.800 just like then the chorus came out, and then I was like and I 901 00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:49.960 still, if I'm being completely honest, like I still am like blown away 902 00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:54.159 by that entire process, because like I I had no songs, I had 903 00:57:54.239 --> 00:57:58.679 nothing, I had no album, I had no music. I had like 904 00:57:58.800 --> 00:58:02.280 my one acoustic guitar and that's it. And just like one day I sat 905 00:58:02.360 --> 00:58:05.880 and I just belt it out an entire song, and then like I wrote 906 00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:08.079 another, and I wrote another, and then like I just I just kept 907 00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:13.280 managing to find songs to write and melodies, and like I would get stuck 908 00:58:13.360 --> 00:58:15.679 on or like I would I would think I would run out because I had 909 00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:19.840 written one about it was recent and then but then I would like, all 910 00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:22.000 right, well, let me go back. And like there was literally one 911 00:58:22.039 --> 00:58:24.960 day where I like, I had just written a new song and I think 912 00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:29.320 it was I don't know if it was Run or something else, but like 913 00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:30.639 I was at the gym and I was listening to what I had so far, 914 00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:35.440 and I was like, man, I'm making such good momentum. I've 915 00:58:35.440 --> 00:58:37.280 got like five six songs. I don't know I'm gonna write next. I 916 00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:40.199 just gotta I just gotta keep on going. Then I remembered, I was 917 00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:42.960 like, oh, yeah, I keep on going. That's a song from 918 00:58:43.000 --> 00:58:45.239 a decade ago, which originally like a decade ago, i'd split it up 919 00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:49.320 into like three parts. It was gonna be like a little like kind of 920 00:58:49.400 --> 00:58:52.559 like Floydish like three part thing, kind of like Pepper throughout the album. 921 00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:54.800 But then like I just looked at those three and like the part one was 922 00:58:54.840 --> 00:58:58.079 basically done, in part two was just a couple of lines, and I 923 00:58:58.159 --> 00:58:59.719 was just like, all right, fuck it, it's just gonna be one 924 00:58:59.760 --> 00:59:02.199 song on And so I kind of combined him and and kind of like the 925 00:59:02.239 --> 00:59:06.280 Blessing and the Curse of those old Google docs from a decade ago. Is 926 00:59:06.320 --> 00:59:08.320 that for a lot of them, I didn't write down the chords because, 927 00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:10.840 like for something Beautiful Is, it was simple shit, so I didn't need 928 00:59:10.840 --> 00:59:14.000 to write it down. But then for Keep on Going, I just wrote 929 00:59:14.039 --> 00:59:15.800 the words. So I had to like figure that one out from scratch. 930 00:59:15.880 --> 00:59:19.360 But it was great because it also kind of freed me because I didn't feel 931 00:59:19.400 --> 00:59:22.679 like I had to like the beauty of it, you know, the beauty 932 00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:27.320 of it is now and then the muses just conspire to create a circumstance that 933 00:59:27.400 --> 00:59:30.599 you'll produce a song, right I mean, And that's just the beauty of 934 00:59:30.719 --> 00:59:32.719 it, as as somebody. You don't know when you're going to write the 935 00:59:34.039 --> 00:59:36.559 good song. You don't know when you're gonna write the bad song. You 936 00:59:36.599 --> 00:59:39.039 don't know when you're gonna write the song that becomes something later. It's a 937 00:59:39.199 --> 00:59:43.760 process that you really at the end of the day, I don't feel as 938 00:59:43.800 --> 00:59:47.800 though anybody's got good If you control it, then it's not really organic, 939 00:59:47.880 --> 00:59:51.719 you know what I mean. If you actually control it, it's it's a 940 00:59:51.760 --> 00:59:57.039 little different. What you're just driving something falling together that you've only got partial 941 00:59:57.159 --> 01:00:00.159 control over. I love that that that to me sounds like an honest creation. 942 01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:04.960 I described it. I described it the entire time, and I still 943 01:00:05.000 --> 01:00:07.639 will to this day as an out of body experience because like I like, 944 01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:13.440 I like, I literally like I just blasted these songs out, but I 945 01:00:13.519 --> 01:00:15.199 mean, like not even in just kind of like, oh, here's some 946 01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:21.760 chords and here's some words. Like every single song that I wrote and recorded 947 01:00:21.800 --> 01:00:24.519 for this album, like it all just felt like it was coming from somewhere 948 01:00:24.920 --> 01:00:30.199 and all, like it all was so effortless, which is weird because I 949 01:00:30.440 --> 01:00:36.239 struggled for so long to make music and to fucking even just record one song, 950 01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:37.760 and then before you knew it, with the span of one month, 951 01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:43.679 I had put an entire fucking album together and like just like constantly like rearranging 952 01:00:43.760 --> 01:00:45.000 the track list and just like all right, well maybe I'll do this song 953 01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:49.079 and no, I'm actually gonna strike that one, and then moving this one 954 01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:51.800 up here, and then realizing like all right, well, if I am 955 01:00:51.880 --> 01:00:53.440 going to do these three songs that's kind of the trilogy, then then this 956 01:00:53.519 --> 01:00:59.239 one definitely needs to go up here. Like but just like everything just like 957 01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:04.599 clicked together, and like, I don't know, I'm still shocked. I 958 01:01:04.719 --> 01:01:07.199 still listen to it, and I'm like, I'm I'm both excited to finish 959 01:01:07.239 --> 01:01:09.519 it up and get it out, and I'm also kind of sad because it 960 01:01:09.639 --> 01:01:15.119 really was just this like pure fucking like just like this flood of shit and 961 01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:20.159 just like just the Catharsis of like, oh my god, I'm fucking naking 962 01:01:20.320 --> 01:01:22.079 music. I'm doing the thing that I always wanted to do, and it 963 01:01:22.199 --> 01:01:25.920 was just like this adrenaline rush and just the fact that like I didn't even 964 01:01:25.960 --> 01:01:29.719 have to think about it, like I always just had the right chords and 965 01:01:29.800 --> 01:01:32.119 I always just like knew what the next line was going to be, and 966 01:01:32.159 --> 01:01:36.360 I would basically just like and I would just like start the voice recorder on 967 01:01:36.480 --> 01:01:38.639 my phone and just like pick up my guitar and just like start playing. 968 01:01:39.079 --> 01:01:42.679 And that was the beauty of it, because I just have like the voice 969 01:01:42.679 --> 01:01:45.800 recorder on the phone and I have the Google document open, and I was 970 01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:47.320 just like, oh that's good. Oh oh shit, what did I say 971 01:01:47.360 --> 01:01:51.079 like five minutes ago. And then I'd like stopping, I'd rewound and I 972 01:01:51.159 --> 01:01:52.559 was like, oh, yes, that's what it was, and then go 973 01:01:52.599 --> 01:01:57.360 over to Google Doc. But it's like I'm I'm still blown away. And 974 01:01:57.480 --> 01:02:00.199 I'm like, I'm I'm terrified next excited for it to come out because I've 975 01:02:00.199 --> 01:02:04.599 never really done anything like it, but I'm so proud of it. And 976 01:02:04.639 --> 01:02:07.920 I know and I'm I'm sure that all sounds like so standard and cliche, 977 01:02:07.039 --> 01:02:09.960 but just like just the fact that I fucking I did the thing, and 978 01:02:10.199 --> 01:02:15.480 like there's some really fucking cool shit on this album, like considering that they 979 01:02:15.559 --> 01:02:19.599 all started with me just like playing acoustic guitar, and like some of these 980 01:02:19.679 --> 01:02:23.199 beasts just go super fucking hard, like the kind of stuff that I would 981 01:02:23.239 --> 01:02:27.239 listen to I think to other people make and just go like I'm never gonna 982 01:02:27.280 --> 01:02:30.920 make fucking anything nearly as good as that, and somehow I have. So 983 01:02:30.920 --> 01:02:34.559 that's excellent. So people will be able to catch up with you if you 984 01:02:34.639 --> 01:02:38.119 go to at I am dealing Wade on link Tree or at Wade. Excuse 985 01:02:38.239 --> 01:02:43.440 me, what's excuse me? I am doing avery? Crap. I just 986 01:02:43.639 --> 01:02:46.360 I totally flipped because I got knocked off of a Zoom meeting and I'm trying 987 01:02:46.400 --> 01:02:50.440 to pull myself. I am dealing avery. There we go, there's a 988 01:02:50.480 --> 01:02:55.480 good correction. I am doing avery at I am doing avery on link Tree 989 01:02:55.639 --> 01:02:59.440 or I argue, or right now, if you googled me, hopefully it 990 01:02:59.440 --> 01:03:01.760 should bring up my link tree, so yes, yes, but don't look 991 01:03:01.800 --> 01:03:05.519 for Dylan Wade. I don't know who the hell Dylan Wade is, but 992 01:03:05.760 --> 01:03:07.000 that's a friend of mine. That's a friend of mine. I'm sorry. 993 01:03:07.039 --> 01:03:09.440 He was a podcaster and I worked with him, and he's a guy in 994 01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:14.039 a wheelchair. He's a nice guy. But I often would think of you 995 01:03:14.119 --> 01:03:16.480 two together because it both named Dylan. That's it, and I just screwed 996 01:03:16.559 --> 01:03:22.000 up so perfect. Anyway, can we cut that out book? No? 997 01:03:22.159 --> 01:03:27.639 Leave it in? Leave it in at I am Dylan Avery on link Tree 998 01:03:27.719 --> 01:03:30.920 at I am Dylan Avery. Also on Twitter, uh, and I think 999 01:03:30.960 --> 01:03:34.599 on some other social media where I have that handle everywhere, thankfully. So 1000 01:03:34.880 --> 01:03:37.719 there you go, all that stuff and you see that at the top of 1001 01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:40.079 the lenk tree, which again will be in the league in the show notes 1002 01:03:40.400 --> 01:03:45.559 at I Am Dylan Avery. Good God wanted that up at I Am Dylan 1003 01:03:45.599 --> 01:03:50.679 Avery. There we go. But when is the album coming out? I 1004 01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:52.719 didn't. I got kicked off the zoom. No, that's fine, and 1005 01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:57.559 I didn't mention it. I was pushing for July twenty one. Um, 1006 01:03:57.920 --> 01:04:00.960 I'm just I'm basically in mastering now and there's like one or two songs that 1007 01:04:01.039 --> 01:04:04.679 I just look tiny shit to fix. Um So, I was pushing for 1008 01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:12.000 July twenty first, barring that maybe the twenty eights or because it's like it's 1009 01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:16.199 a summer kind of album. Um So, like I'm I'm pushing, I'm 1010 01:04:16.239 --> 01:04:20.119 pushing for next month because like once you push it through to the digital outlas, 1011 01:04:20.159 --> 01:04:24.360 you know, it takes like two to three weeks. Making CDs will 1012 01:04:24.400 --> 01:04:27.000 take me like a week, but you know, the CDs are just for 1013 01:04:27.079 --> 01:04:30.440 the supporters and people who fucking push me along the way. So the big, 1014 01:04:30.760 --> 01:04:34.079 the big wide digital release, I'm pushing for the end of next months 1015 01:04:34.119 --> 01:04:36.519 and that way I can be done with that one and already start working on 1016 01:04:36.559 --> 01:04:41.320 the new songs I want to record, so right, and plus the name 1017 01:04:41.360 --> 01:04:44.480 of your video production company. Also because you got that at the top of 1018 01:04:44.519 --> 01:04:47.320 the link tree there, which really interesting and again I like it. Just 1019 01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:50.400 go over to the link tree to check out the Zion dance party because it 1020 01:04:50.840 --> 01:04:57.199 is really cool as a background, and that was I love that. It's 1021 01:04:57.199 --> 01:05:00.599 just absolutely a smacks of that, not just the one from Reloaded, but 1022 01:05:00.719 --> 01:05:03.320 I think it's in another one of those two where they have one of those 1023 01:05:03.440 --> 01:05:11.360 raves right reloaded was the big one. Revolutions just has a bunch of mac 1024 01:05:11.440 --> 01:05:15.719 fights and the fourth one doesn't exist. Oh yeah, well I was going 1025 01:05:15.800 --> 01:05:17.000 to ask you what you thought of that. But okay, now I know 1026 01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:23.840 boys, because we don't we are. You're gonna bring me back on the 1027 01:05:23.880 --> 01:05:27.719 podcast and we're gonna talk about Matrix resurrections for an hour. Oh my god, 1028 01:05:28.679 --> 01:05:30.239 fucking shit, man, I mean you want to talk about like wasted 1029 01:05:30.280 --> 01:05:35.280 potential and like, yeah, I get it, like the movies about Warner 1030 01:05:35.320 --> 01:05:41.000 Brothers wants them to make a new Matrix. But the this is all I'll 1031 01:05:41.039 --> 01:05:43.800 say about it. And then if we're gonna come back to this another time, 1032 01:05:43.840 --> 01:05:46.559 they're gonna come back to another time. But if it was just like 1033 01:05:46.920 --> 01:05:53.559 generic action movie like a lot of it would be excusable. But you are 1034 01:05:53.639 --> 01:06:00.760 a Matrix sequel, like you like redefined actions cinema, and you pioneered so 1035 01:06:00.920 --> 01:06:05.320 many things, and you hired the best, the like, the best choreographers, 1036 01:06:05.360 --> 01:06:09.519 the best of the best for everything, and for this, for this 1037 01:06:09.719 --> 01:06:15.480 much anticipated matrixy will come out and the fight is just like sloppy handheld and 1038 01:06:15.719 --> 01:06:19.800 just like it's just it just it was not. It was not. It 1039 01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:25.360 just was not. I mean and like I I've when I when I heard 1040 01:06:25.360 --> 01:06:27.000 about it and I heard about the premise, I was like all right, 1041 01:06:27.039 --> 01:06:28.800 And even when I saw that first trailer, I was like, all right, 1042 01:06:28.880 --> 01:06:30.639 cool, like this is interesting. But like watching it, I'm like, 1043 01:06:31.480 --> 01:06:34.599 and you know, only only one of the little Chowskis came back, 1044 01:06:34.800 --> 01:06:41.360 and it just obviously and I've I've and I've I've read the interviews. You 1045 01:06:41.440 --> 01:06:44.559 know, I've heard why she did it because like her her parents, you 1046 01:06:44.679 --> 01:06:46.239 know, and like and grief and all that, and like I get it, 1047 01:06:46.360 --> 01:06:50.639 but like maybe it shouldn't have done it. I mean, look, 1048 01:06:50.719 --> 01:06:55.639 I was so so hyped up on it because I watched the anticipation. I 1049 01:06:55.719 --> 01:06:59.000 went to the website with the little pills, remember the website, and then 1050 01:06:59.079 --> 01:07:00.800 like the different trailers, like you get like a different trailer every time you 1051 01:07:00.840 --> 01:07:06.440 went there. Yeah, like again like great marketing. But then yeah, 1052 01:07:06.840 --> 01:07:11.119 it's like it was like after you built me up and you told me you 1053 01:07:11.159 --> 01:07:14.320 were going to deliver a baby, you dropped the turd. Is what happened? 1054 01:07:14.559 --> 01:07:16.280 Pretty much. I'm sorry to bring it down to that level. But 1055 01:07:16.760 --> 01:07:19.679 perfect. It sounds like you don't disagree with me. No, not at 1056 01:07:19.719 --> 01:07:24.079 all. So if I come back, we can talk about matrix resurrections another 1057 01:07:24.199 --> 01:07:27.920 horribly depressing sequels. Ah, it's so bad. I mean, and and 1058 01:07:28.119 --> 01:07:30.599 I just I had so much hope port and I'm thinking to myself, maybe 1059 01:07:30.639 --> 01:07:34.079 it's better there's only one match Howski involved, but no apparently not. Um 1060 01:07:36.039 --> 01:07:40.679 Oh anyway, well, this has been a nice breath of fresh air. 1061 01:07:40.920 --> 01:07:44.320 Thank you. 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