WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:02.160 Today, I want to tell you about a journey that I've been on for 2 00:00:02.240 --> 00:00:05.120 most of my life. Ever since I was a kid, I've heard tales 3 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:09.199 of bigfoot and wild men while spending time with my friends and family. As 4 00:00:09.240 --> 00:00:12.759 I grew older and read more about the paranormal, my interest in encryptids and 5 00:00:12.800 --> 00:00:17.039 other things strange only deepened. That's why I'm so excited to share with you 6 00:00:17.079 --> 00:00:22.960 what I've personally become involved with the Untold Radio Network. The Untold Radio Network 7 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:27.480 is a live streaming podcast network that airs a new show every day across all 8 00:00:27.519 --> 00:00:31.839 podcast platforms, YouTube, and more. 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It's free to subscribe. 16 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:06.599 So what are you waiting for visit www dot untold radionetwork dot com Today, 17 00:01:06.840 --> 00:01:11.760 everybody, this is Left Striving Yes, yes I know aka Survivor Man. 18 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:38.400 And you're listening to Brian on Sasquatch Oys. Heather and welcome back to sasquatch 19 00:01:38.599 --> 00:01:41.200 Os. Thank you so much for clicking and play. It is Sunday. 20 00:01:41.239 --> 00:01:44.640 I hope you're having a great weekend. We have an amazing show line there 21 00:01:44.680 --> 00:01:47.359 for you. But as always, I want to start by inviting you. 22 00:01:48.079 --> 00:01:49.840 If you've had an encounter and you'd let's be on the show, shoot me 23 00:01:49.879 --> 00:01:53.400 an email. You can get me at Brian at Parentimoworldproductions dot com. Can 24 00:01:53.439 --> 00:01:56.760 head over to the website, check it out, become a member there and 25 00:01:56.799 --> 00:02:00.359 help support the show. I got to sit down and talk to Nicki from 26 00:02:00.599 --> 00:02:06.879 Sasquatch Secrets and we had a really good conversation about tons of things related to 27 00:02:06.920 --> 00:02:08.599 Bigfoot. If you haven't checked out her channel, she's got a lot of 28 00:02:08.599 --> 00:02:13.520 cool videos over there. She does a lot of cool investigative stuff looking into 29 00:02:13.520 --> 00:02:15.639 some of these incidents, some of the hoaxers that we talk about tonight. 30 00:02:15.800 --> 00:02:20.759 We do talk about one incident that I asked her about specifically. In the 31 00:02:20.840 --> 00:02:23.960 show, we refer to it as the Red Creek Incident. Nicky's actually talking 32 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:28.840 about the Ruby Creek Incident. I was not familiar with the Red Creek incident, 33 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:30.280 so I was anxious to hear about it. And the more she started 34 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:34.479 talking about it, the more I realized she was referring to the Ruby Creek 35 00:02:34.599 --> 00:02:37.479 Incident. We get into all kinds of great stuff here. I think you're 36 00:02:37.520 --> 00:02:40.000 really going to enjoy it. Just really quickly before we get into that, 37 00:02:40.120 --> 00:02:45.759 My book, Sasquatch Unleashed The Truth behind the Legend is out everywhere. You 38 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:47.680 can get it on Kendle, you can get it on Amazon, you can 39 00:02:47.719 --> 00:02:52.000 pick it up directly from Hanger One Publishing. All of those links are right 40 00:02:52.039 --> 00:02:53.599 here in the show notes. I would love for you to pick up a 41 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:57.280 copy of the book, but without further ado. I know you guys are 42 00:02:57.319 --> 00:02:59.960 ready to get into it. Nicky's on the line. She's ready to go. 43 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:02.520 All you have to do is sit back, relax and enjoy the show. 44 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:24.520 All right, folks, all will welcome our guest to the show. 45 00:03:24.560 --> 00:03:29.960 It is Nikki from Sasquat Secrets. Welcome to the show. NICKI, Hi, 46 00:03:30.599 --> 00:03:32.400 good to see you. I'm so happy to be here. I was 47 00:03:32.439 --> 00:03:37.840 really excited when Danny contacted me and about coming on tonight. I am so 48 00:03:37.960 --> 00:03:39.800 glad to have you. We talked a little bit about this before we got 49 00:03:39.800 --> 00:03:44.120 on the air. We've crossed paths in the past. I've done shows and 50 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:46.599 you've been in the chat and vice versa. It's so good to put a 51 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:50.800 face with the name. I really love your channel, I really love what 52 00:03:50.840 --> 00:03:52.919 you're doing. I'm glad you're here. So let's get right into it. 53 00:03:52.960 --> 00:03:55.759 Let's talk about this Bigfoot though. Sure everybody has a story about what got 54 00:03:55.840 --> 00:03:59.800 them into Bigfoot in the beginning, so let's start there. Oh gosh, 55 00:03:59.840 --> 00:04:03.520 it's it's not unlike most people. I grew up with the love of the 56 00:04:03.599 --> 00:04:09.520 mysterious and cryptids had that itch back then. Though. It was the books, 57 00:04:09.680 --> 00:04:13.960 right, You'll go to the library and pick out every cryptid book that 58 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:16.120 my mom would let me take home, and that just stuck with me. 59 00:04:16.439 --> 00:04:20.800 My family loved to go out camping, so I grew up with my dad 60 00:04:20.839 --> 00:04:26.079 taking us out there all the time, more like glamping. My dad always 61 00:04:26.079 --> 00:04:28.959 had a trailer, but we were out there and had fun, so I 62 00:04:29.040 --> 00:04:35.160 never was afraid. Always seeing my dad had an answer for any question I 63 00:04:35.240 --> 00:04:39.560 had, what's that, what's that sound, what's going? And he knew. 64 00:04:40.160 --> 00:04:44.560 So I never felt like there was anything really mysterious out there, and 65 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:50.480 it wasn't really until I went abroad. I lived in South Korea for three 66 00:04:50.560 --> 00:04:58.319 years with my husband military. We had nine channels in English, so I 67 00:04:58.519 --> 00:05:04.639 ended up going to YouTube too. I must have watched everything put out Fasquatch, 68 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:10.439 Bigfoot, tall Man, Harryman, you name it, I listened to 69 00:05:10.519 --> 00:05:13.920 it. That's what I did for three years. I didn't have a BISA 70 00:05:14.040 --> 00:05:15.879 to work, so I really couldn't work over there. I was just at 71 00:05:15.879 --> 00:05:19.480 home taking care of the kids. That's what I did. I would put 72 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:25.839 on show after show and started to get into more of instead of forums, 73 00:05:25.879 --> 00:05:29.680 because we even way back, so you had the blogs and forums and stuff. 74 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:35.600 But over there Facebook getting into the groups and all the stuff that happens 75 00:05:35.639 --> 00:05:40.199 in the groups over and over again, which I was like, man, 76 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:45.160 I've seen that for I saw that, I know what that is, and 77 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:47.120 that's how I just kept on going. So when I got state side, 78 00:05:47.639 --> 00:05:54.439 I ended up just hanging out in the chat watching different people, and you 79 00:05:54.519 --> 00:05:59.839 go through a lot of different channels until you find the person or the group 80 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:04.240 that you identify with. Everybody has their own taste of what you like to 81 00:06:04.279 --> 00:06:12.240 see, whether it be encounter stories or research channels, just people who are 82 00:06:12.279 --> 00:06:15.240 boots on the ground and show nothing but them out in the forest. And 83 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:21.040 then you've got a few that like to talk about the things that nobody else 84 00:06:21.240 --> 00:06:27.680 likes to talk about. And that was the hoaxes, the hoodwinks, and 85 00:06:28.199 --> 00:06:32.439 the more nefarious things that happen in the community. And I found myself drawn 86 00:06:32.759 --> 00:06:41.759 to that more of the watch dtvs and that type of content, and that's 87 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:44.399 what I kept doing. I'm like, I've seen this, I know what 88 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:48.680 this is. This is a student film done in such and such time. 89 00:06:48.879 --> 00:06:53.560 It's not a big foot at all. I've got pictures matter fact. Because 90 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:57.720 I was real big into saving that time, I just kept it up and 91 00:06:57.800 --> 00:07:01.680 kept it up and got invited to a lot of podcasts because I had this 92 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:11.639 more skeptical mind. I truly thought of myself as I'm not a hardcore researcher 93 00:07:11.680 --> 00:07:15.959 out in the woods. At that time, really, armchair researchers was a 94 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:19.120 bad thing. If you're not boots on the ground, you don't deserve to 95 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:23.639 have an opinion about it, so I used to keep a little bit low 96 00:07:23.720 --> 00:07:27.839 about that. But that's what kind of spurred me on. It spurred me 97 00:07:27.959 --> 00:07:30.439 in to keep doing this, and it was a love. It was my 98 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:34.079 hobby. When I was having fun at it. That was the one thing 99 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:38.319 that I made sure that everything I did, I was having a good time 100 00:07:38.360 --> 00:07:43.639 doing it. That's where it initially started out. Once you go down the 101 00:07:43.720 --> 00:07:46.759 rabbit hole, you never climb out, Nikki. That's how it works. 102 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:49.279 I know. Over time, I've had some people come to me and they 103 00:07:49.279 --> 00:07:51.839 say, why don't you have your own channel, And I'm like, I 104 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:55.959 don't know why I don't have my own channel. I don't really think I 105 00:07:56.000 --> 00:08:00.519 can do it. And I was totally turned around by many people telling me, 106 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:01.439 no, do it. We want to hear you, we want to 107 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:05.439 hear what Jeff date. And I said, okay. So a couple of 108 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:11.519 years ago I started. It was initially called Harryman Hoaxes and Hoodwinks was the 109 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:15.759 first, but that name was really long and people didn't want to look up 110 00:08:15.800 --> 00:08:20.560 Hairyman for some reason, so it may have taken them somewhere else. I 111 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:26.240 don't know, that's my thought, but I changed the name, and yeah, 112 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:30.519 I like to bring on a panel of guests to talk about things that 113 00:08:30.560 --> 00:08:35.720 are going on in the community, new things, old things, historic stuff 114 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:41.559 that has happened, such as older accounts, the Osman or Ape Canyon. 115 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:48.399 The Red Creek is the one that I recently did with Thomas Steinberg. That's 116 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:52.799 what I ended up doing. And I've got a great group of followers. 117 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:56.000 Yeah, I love them to death. They really support me and keeps me 118 00:08:56.080 --> 00:09:00.279 going with this because it's a lot of work. It was a lot more 119 00:09:00.279 --> 00:09:03.200 work than I thought to do your own podcast. When you do it, 120 00:09:03.759 --> 00:09:09.519 when you have certain content and I have to really know what I'm talking about, 121 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:13.360 right, So there's a lot of research involved in making sure I knew 122 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:20.240 what's going on. So that's where that has taken me on this journey. 123 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:26.159 But it was a pretty simple concept really, the simple mission. I guess 124 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:31.399 you could say that I just wanted to talk about all the disseats and the 125 00:09:31.559 --> 00:09:37.000 repetitiveness of what was going on social media. Just you pick it, whether 126 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:41.399 it be Reddit or Facebook or YouTube, how people can grab a screenshot and 127 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:46.879 share it around to about ten different things. When it was something that was 128 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:52.039 discovered to be a hoax or just misunderstanding from way back. So I wanted 129 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:56.200 a place to archive, have the show, have all the information that I 130 00:09:56.240 --> 00:10:03.559 could find on the Internet in one one nice, neat little package in archived 131 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:09.120 for the future. That's pretty much what I intended for the show. I 132 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:11.799 think it's great because here's the thing that bothers me. I do an encounters 133 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:18.120 based podcast Sasquatch Odyssey is all about encounters. But once I got into this 134 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:22.360 and I started talking to a bunch of people who had different experiences, obviously 135 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:24.840 you meet different people, you expand the show out, you get interested in 136 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:28.799 another things. Todd Standing was one of those people that popped up very early 137 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:33.960 on for me. I watched the Discovering Bigfoot. Frankly, I think it's 138 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:37.879 still one of the best documentaries that I've seen on Bigfoot, if I'm being 139 00:10:37.960 --> 00:10:41.600 honest. That was well produced, it was put out there. It's a 140 00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:43.919 little cheesy when you look back. I spent a week with Todd back in 141 00:10:43.960 --> 00:10:50.759 October, and I came back and I actually watched the Discovering Bigfoot documentary again 142 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:54.720 after I spent a week in the bush with tied up at Radium and I 143 00:10:54.759 --> 00:10:56.840 thought, how cheesy is some of this shit that this dude's putting on. 144 00:10:56.919 --> 00:11:03.159 But when you see it initially, I was blown away initially with some of 145 00:11:03.159 --> 00:11:07.320 the stuff that he presented there, and I watched it again, and then 146 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:11.799 I watched it again, and then I started saying, why are more people 147 00:11:11.879 --> 00:11:18.200 not talking about this? Because if this footage that this guy is showing is 148 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:24.759 legitimate, it is HD quality, hands down, It's the best thing I 149 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:30.559 have ever seen. It proves that sasquatch exists into story, and I thought, 150 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:33.399 why are more people not talking about this? And then when you dig 151 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:35.919 in, people have talked about it, they're continuing to talk about it. 152 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:39.720 And all I was getting was this guy's a known hoaxer. And I'm like, 153 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:41.879 oh shit, let me go back and watch this again. And then 154 00:11:41.919 --> 00:11:46.080 I started looking at it from a more critical point of view, not just 155 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:48.600 wanting to buy it hook line and sinker, and saying, he either had 156 00:11:48.639 --> 00:11:54.000 the best footage that's out there period, hands down, or he's one of 157 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:58.120 the biggest hoaxers and he's faked all this stuff that has ever been happening. 158 00:11:58.639 --> 00:12:01.759 So I looked at it and thought, Okay, why are more people not 159 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:03.639 talking about it? They clearly were and most people agreed that he was a 160 00:12:03.679 --> 00:12:07.679 hoaxer. So I started looking at it with a more critical eye. And 161 00:12:07.720 --> 00:12:11.639 once I started going back and watching the footage, I was picking out things 162 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:15.600 that I didn't before that just didn't seem natural. It didn't look right to 163 00:12:15.679 --> 00:12:18.799 me. And after I watched it five or six times, I thought, 164 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:24.039 Okay, this is probably fake. I started looking into his past. I 165 00:12:24.039 --> 00:12:26.919 started looking at some of the things, going a little deeper, scratching at 166 00:12:26.919 --> 00:12:30.720 the surface and getting down into the nitty gritty. Do it my Steve Cole's 167 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:33.279 thing, right? Yeah? And once I started acting like Steve Coles, 168 00:12:33.279 --> 00:12:37.399 I was starting to unpeel the onion and peeling back these layers, and I 169 00:12:37.559 --> 00:12:41.840 was like, oh, this is not so great. Then I just came 170 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:46.000 down to the conclusion this guy hoaxed these videos. I've always said it. 171 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:50.559 I think he had real experiences with sasquatch in his research areas. I think 172 00:12:50.600 --> 00:12:54.360 he probably saw these things a couple of different occasions, but clearly what he 173 00:12:54.480 --> 00:13:00.120 shows and presents as evidence in the form of these videos and these steals on 174 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:03.480 these videos one hundred percent hope. So I started calling him out on the 175 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:07.039 show, which was unheard of in a way for people like me in my 176 00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:11.440 position doing an encounters based podcast, But I felt it was important to be 177 00:13:11.559 --> 00:13:16.000 intellectually honest with people and just give my opinion on one of the biggest people, 178 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:20.879 because let's be honest, whatever you think about Todd standing And this is 179 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:22.039 one of the things that I want to get into a little bit with you 180 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:28.000 about all of these people. They develop a following, and these people have 181 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:33.440 influence in this community, whether we like it or not, sometimes way beyond 182 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:37.120 in my opinion, plenty of people who are doing this the right way and 183 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:43.600 doing legitimate research, these hoaxers develop a following, and Todd certainly has a 184 00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:46.159 following even to this day. I think he's one hundred plus thousand subscribers on 185 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:50.480 his YouTube channel, and they tune in and they buy everything he says, 186 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:54.320 hook line and sinker when it comes to Bigfoot, whether he's talking about a 187 00:13:54.399 --> 00:13:58.399 video he filmed ten years ago or something that might or might not have happened 188 00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:03.159 yesterday, he has a following. So I felt it important to talk about 189 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:05.759 that. So I started talking about it, and I wanted to get him 190 00:14:05.799 --> 00:14:09.039 on the show to have this kind of discussion because I like giving people their 191 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:13.240 opportunity to defend themselves. He refused to come on my show. I finally 192 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:16.799 got Survivor man Less Stroud on the show. Less had spent time with him 193 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:20.840 out in the woods. Once Lesson I had that conversation. Miraculously, a 194 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:24.879 couple of weeks later, Tidd agrees to come on the show. So we 195 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:28.919 have that conversation, and I left that conversation feeling like he's not really that 196 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:33.320 bad of a dude. He seemed to be very passionate about the subject. 197 00:14:33.399 --> 00:14:37.360 I felt a genuine connection with him in Bigfoot. I felt like he was 198 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:41.000 really in it for the right reasons, despite maybe some of his actions in 199 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:45.919 the past. But nonetheless I came out on the other end saying he's a 200 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:48.559 hoaxer. He hoaxed his videos. It's like that for a lot of people. 201 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:52.960 Then just recently, I think it was last year. I don't know, 202 00:14:52.039 --> 00:14:56.559 five six months ago. What is it? Sasquatch on Ontario Sasquatch. 203 00:14:56.639 --> 00:14:58.360 There's a couple of channels. I always get him mixed up. I'm talking 204 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:03.639 about the dude, the ridiculous ass picture that he posted of what looks to 205 00:15:03.639 --> 00:15:07.679 be a sasquatch on the fence looking up this image came out and I was 206 00:15:07.759 --> 00:15:11.480 reading the comments, and I think that's what pisses me off the most. 207 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:15.120 Honestly, Nikki, is you read the comments. This dude's got seventy five 208 00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:18.600 eighty thousand followers on his YouTube channel. His subscribers is, it's huge. 209 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:22.000 And I was reading the comments about, oh my god, thank you Nef 210 00:15:22.039 --> 00:15:26.320 for showing your face. Oh my god, thank you so much than give 211 00:15:26.440 --> 00:15:31.360 me the cringe. I just don't understand. Thank you Nev forgiving him permission, 212 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:35.320 giving him permission to show your face. Nef, thank you so much. 213 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:39.519 Then I started looking ato it because I had no idea who this dude 214 00:15:39.559 --> 00:15:43.240 was. So I started looking into the channel and I'm thinking, are these 215 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:46.879 people serious? They are buying it hook line and sinker. So I did 216 00:15:46.919 --> 00:15:50.559 the opposite of what I should have done. I went on every I literally 217 00:15:50.600 --> 00:15:54.720 posted this picture. I took five seconds to lighten it up in my iPhone 218 00:15:56.039 --> 00:15:58.960 and I posted it in every bigfoot group I could and said, this dude 219 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:03.080 is hoaxing. He should be ashamed of himself. And of course he came 220 00:16:03.159 --> 00:16:07.720 on and defended himself and we got into it online. And in hindsight, 221 00:16:07.720 --> 00:16:11.679 I've had conversations with Brent Deal who I know you happen to know, and 222 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:12.799 Brent was like, look, dude, you can't do it that way. 223 00:16:12.840 --> 00:16:15.759 You got to make it about the evidence. You can't talk about the person. 224 00:16:17.080 --> 00:16:21.320 I have admitted my fault in that because I was pissed off at just 225 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:23.919 the fact that this guy is purporting this to be a Sasquatch. It is 226 00:16:25.039 --> 00:16:30.720 clearly a mask, a poor quality mask at that, with the rest of 227 00:16:30.759 --> 00:16:33.559 it bunched up under this thing, and he's claiming it's an arm it's a 228 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:37.080 whole thing. But I say all that to say, I think it's very 229 00:16:37.120 --> 00:16:40.519 important to go back to what you said earlier in the conversation. These are 230 00:16:40.559 --> 00:16:44.559 things that for whatever reason, and I want your opinion on this, why 231 00:16:44.600 --> 00:16:48.919 are more people in the community not willing to talk about some of these hoaxes 232 00:16:49.399 --> 00:16:53.200 and call these people out. What do you think it is in just the 233 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:57.120 general community in and of itself where people are so afraid to do that. 234 00:16:57.159 --> 00:17:00.600 Why do you think that? Is what's my take on it. Okay, 235 00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:07.000 Now, you've got people who come into this community and they seem to latch 236 00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:11.640 onto chats, They latch onto people that are like minded as them. They 237 00:17:11.720 --> 00:17:18.200 think okay, and they make friendship, they make what a bond, and 238 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:23.920 they want to believe that bond is everything, and they're going to stick with 239 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:30.839 whoever it is to the bitter end because that's their family. It's replaced some 240 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:38.720 stuff they've done when their reality. They've made Bigfoot their reality and they can't 241 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:44.640 judge for themselves. They want to hang onto that peer pressure. You have 242 00:17:44.720 --> 00:17:48.960 to follow these people, because I'm telling you it's all about the red flags 243 00:17:49.240 --> 00:17:55.519 these days. You have to see the red flags. If you don't, 244 00:17:55.880 --> 00:18:00.960 you're gonna just get stucked into whatever people put out there. You have to 245 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:03.400 have your own opinion about it. If you think something doesn't look right, 246 00:18:04.400 --> 00:18:10.319 then say something. But people won't because they're afraid. They're afraid of the 247 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:15.440 backlash that's going to happen to them by coming out with this stuff. You 248 00:18:15.559 --> 00:18:19.039 see it over and over in a lot of different groups that are like that 249 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:26.039 because they want to belong They want to belong to this group and be loyal. 250 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:32.759 That's good for some things, but when it comes to the topic of 251 00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:37.799 bigfoot, it's bigfoot, right. We're trying to discover something that's mysterious, 252 00:18:38.119 --> 00:18:44.039 unknown, elusive, we have people out there who have run into these things, 253 00:18:44.599 --> 00:18:48.720 And that kind of takes me to another point of why I believe Bigfoot 254 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:56.640 exists. Because I don't believe Bigfoot exists because of evidence. All my belief 255 00:18:56.839 --> 00:19:03.160 comes from the people I have owned to come close with right who have had 256 00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:11.680 fighting and I believe them. My total belief comes from encounters, somebody's encounter 257 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:15.920 that I know personally. The evidence has nothing to do with it. For 258 00:19:15.960 --> 00:19:22.960 me, I've become this complete evidence skeptic in regards to that type of stuff. 259 00:19:22.599 --> 00:19:29.519 So you can put out any kind of picture, any kind of footprints. 260 00:19:30.079 --> 00:19:33.119 It could be this, but it could be that. Where's the before 261 00:19:33.160 --> 00:19:37.599 and after? How come you're showing me five seconds of a video when you 262 00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:41.240 know you didn't do five seconds of a video. Where's the beginning in the 263 00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:45.279 end, where's you walking up to it? Todd? Why are you just 264 00:19:45.359 --> 00:19:48.640 showing Oh, I didn't have my battery on, or I didn't have that 265 00:19:48.759 --> 00:19:52.359 much film it was left, or there's always going to be an excuse for 266 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:56.960 stuff like that. But that's a red flag, and you just try to 267 00:19:59.079 --> 00:20:03.720 have that callum the red flag column along with the stuff you believe in and 268 00:20:03.960 --> 00:20:08.279 somewhere along the line, you're gonna come up with I believe it this much 269 00:20:08.319 --> 00:20:14.279 more, or I don't believe it the swift more. Stay tuned for more 270 00:20:14.319 --> 00:20:21.279 sasquatch Otasy. We'll be right back after these messages. And that's how I 271 00:20:21.400 --> 00:20:26.400 look at things, is that I have this weight and balance and if there's 272 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:30.799 too many red flags, then it's not worth my time. What does he 273 00:20:30.880 --> 00:20:34.279 have? You have a bigfoot running up the side of a mountain. We've 274 00:20:34.319 --> 00:20:38.279 got Steve Coles who's come up and said that it was a fireman that was 275 00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:44.279 hired to do that. You've got gloves that were found in the back of 276 00:20:44.359 --> 00:20:47.880 his jeep. But no, it was all a joke, practical joke for 277 00:20:48.039 --> 00:20:52.480 him. But that's a red flag. He has production companies, there was 278 00:20:52.519 --> 00:20:56.839 an ad put out for actors at some point. They're all these things are 279 00:20:56.839 --> 00:21:02.200 red flag. And I do believe he probably had some kind of encounter at 280 00:21:02.200 --> 00:21:07.640 some point. Yeah he does, and maybe his intentions are good, maybe 281 00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:15.240 he wants to protect these creatures. But all that other stuff, the blinky, 282 00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:19.680 the leather face, that has ruined it for me. Do we give 283 00:21:19.720 --> 00:21:23.920 them an extra shot at things later? What if he really does come upon 284 00:21:25.759 --> 00:21:32.599 a bigfoot and get footage? Has he cried wolf so many times that many 285 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:37.160 of us aren't gonna believe him no matter what he does anymore. So it 286 00:21:37.319 --> 00:21:41.559 puts you in this place. Okay, he's there, pods over there. 287 00:21:41.680 --> 00:21:45.559 He charges for his expeditions, and that's how he makes his living. And 288 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:49.960 let him do what he wants. But I think it puts a big stain 289 00:21:51.839 --> 00:21:56.079 on the community because when are we gonna believe? Now? How do we 290 00:21:56.160 --> 00:22:00.559 believe other people who come up with evidence? I agree. Brent came on 291 00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:04.319 that Bigfoot podcast with Wayne and I about a month or so ago. I 292 00:22:04.400 --> 00:22:07.319 came back after spending time with Todd and said, look, this guy's been 293 00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:11.039 in Bigfoot jail for a lot of years for hooks in these videos, and 294 00:22:11.119 --> 00:22:15.119 do we ever let him out? To your point, do we ever let 295 00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:18.279 him out? He's got another documentary coming out. We discussed that at length 296 00:22:18.359 --> 00:22:22.680 when I was up there with him around the campfire. He's talking about basically 297 00:22:22.720 --> 00:22:26.680 discovering Bigfoot two or whatever he's calling it. It's already been sold, it's 298 00:22:26.680 --> 00:22:29.440 going to be out, and he said, there's more footage, He's got 299 00:22:29.440 --> 00:22:33.920 more footage of a bigfoot that's coming out in this documentary, I didn't see 300 00:22:33.920 --> 00:22:37.559 it when I was there. In his words, he told me it's not 301 00:22:37.759 --> 00:22:41.319 as good as the other stuff that we've already seen from him. So I 302 00:22:41.319 --> 00:22:44.880 don't really know what to expect, but I already know what I'm going to 303 00:22:44.920 --> 00:22:48.839 think about it. It's crap to me because I don't believe any of the 304 00:22:48.880 --> 00:22:52.359 other stuff that he's put out is real. So I'm not gonna believe what 305 00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:55.880 he puts out in this whatever this looks like. Right, So you get 306 00:22:55.880 --> 00:23:00.359 into that point where to Brent's point when he was on the show, opened 307 00:23:00.359 --> 00:23:03.839 my eyes to it, and I've really shifted after that conversation with Brent, 308 00:23:03.880 --> 00:23:06.839 I really shifted my opinion and said, look, you know, Brent was 309 00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:11.240 like, everybody understands what kind of situation you were in with Todd, how 310 00:23:11.319 --> 00:23:15.119 you interacted with him, and how you came away from that situation feeling whatever 311 00:23:15.160 --> 00:23:18.759 it was that you felt, he's not that bad of a dude. He 312 00:23:18.799 --> 00:23:22.039 treated you with the respect, whatever the case may be. But here's the 313 00:23:22.079 --> 00:23:25.640 thing for everybody else, and this is the perspective I was missing. Honestly, 314 00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:30.000 I had blinders on in some respect. Brent said, he's never taken 315 00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:33.279 responsibility for what he did, Ding Ding. You would think that would be 316 00:23:33.319 --> 00:23:36.279 the first thing on my mind, but I wasn't really thinking about that, 317 00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:40.480 to be honest with you. And when he said Todd's never taken responsibility for 318 00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:44.599 faking that and hoaxing it. If he came out and said that, yeah, 319 00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:47.359 I did it and this is the reason that I did it, are 320 00:23:47.400 --> 00:23:51.799 people gonna automatically give him a pass. No, But at least he would 321 00:23:51.880 --> 00:23:57.920 gain some credibility in some aspects of the community because he's taken some responsibility and 322 00:23:57.960 --> 00:24:02.079 he's never going to do that. So I've hung that up. But here's 323 00:24:02.079 --> 00:24:03.920 the thing that gets me, And I want to ask you this question, 324 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:06.720 Nikki, And I don't know if you have any more perspective than I do. 325 00:24:07.279 --> 00:24:11.839 I've went about this so many times and so many conversations about this over 326 00:24:11.839 --> 00:24:15.680 the years. What is it about the community at large, just people in 327 00:24:15.799 --> 00:24:22.319 general. Do you think it is that makes it easy for people like Todd? 328 00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:26.799 And Todd's great? Todd is the best used car salesman on the lot. 329 00:24:26.119 --> 00:24:30.319 If he's selling Bigfoot, I'm buying it nine times out of ten. 330 00:24:30.680 --> 00:24:33.279 That's just how good he is. And that's how most of these people are 331 00:24:33.319 --> 00:24:37.039 when it comes to selling what they're selling. Mike Patterson is very convinced. 332 00:24:37.079 --> 00:24:41.880 I've talked to plenty of people who thought that Mike Patterson was the real deal 333 00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:45.279 initially, and then there was these red flags, and they've come around. 334 00:24:45.279 --> 00:24:48.559 Some people are still teetering on whether he's the legit or not. I think 335 00:24:48.559 --> 00:24:55.599 he's one hundred percent of complete hoax. But what is it about the community 336 00:24:55.640 --> 00:24:57.440 at large? And this has happened to me recently. I've had people on 337 00:24:57.480 --> 00:25:04.160 my show just a few months back who had a very compelling experience where they 338 00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:08.440 saw a sasquatch, they interacted with the sasquatch, they heard vocalizations, this 339 00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:15.079 that or the other. And then they create Facebook pages, they create YouTube 340 00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:22.079 channels, and everything they put out there is paradolia and red circle squatches. 341 00:25:22.599 --> 00:25:26.400 I'm gonna tell you, within a couple of weeks, three or four weeks, 342 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:30.759 there's twenty five hundred to three thousand people in their group liking everything they 343 00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:34.680 post. Oh my god, I see the faces. There's fifteen of them. 344 00:25:36.240 --> 00:25:40.799 It is mind blowing to me. And I can tell you these people 345 00:25:40.880 --> 00:25:45.640 are creating an audience almost overnight, and I'll be honest with you, I've 346 00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:49.079 worked my ass off to create the audience that I have to culminate the relationship 347 00:25:49.119 --> 00:25:52.359 that I have with the community. My show does great. It's probably one 348 00:25:52.359 --> 00:25:56.960 of the top three big Foot podcasts in the world on any given week. 349 00:25:56.319 --> 00:26:00.599 I am blessed to say that because of the audience that listens to the show. 350 00:26:00.319 --> 00:26:04.039 However, my YouTube channel, I got twenty six hundred people on my 351 00:26:04.079 --> 00:26:08.279 YouTube channel and it's been around for four years. It's a completely different thing. 352 00:26:08.799 --> 00:26:14.079 But if I were putting out red circle squatches and paradolia and posting fake 353 00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:18.319 videos a Bigfoot, I'd probably have ninety five thousand followers tomorrow. What is 354 00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:22.480 it about the community or what do you feel about it that makes it so 355 00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:26.440 easy to doup the community? And why are they buy in such a powerful 356 00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:30.759 way? I think the at large, the most of the people who watch 357 00:26:32.519 --> 00:26:40.000 or listen okay are coming for entertainment value. They're coming fully to hear the 358 00:26:40.039 --> 00:26:45.799 story. They don't care about the research or the researcher. They just want 359 00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:51.039 to hear the story. They want to grab onto something while they're driving home 360 00:26:51.079 --> 00:26:55.720 from work or going to sleep, and they put on the podcast and they 361 00:26:55.759 --> 00:27:02.119 listen. They're not invested. Okay, like the community, we're invested, 362 00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:07.160 right. Some of us want answers, want true answers, but there's a 363 00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:12.359 whole other part of the pie doesn't want that. They don't care. They 364 00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:18.480 really don't care. And remember, we're a small community. If you think 365 00:27:18.519 --> 00:27:23.279 about the grand scheme of all the people out there, we're small, okay, 366 00:27:23.359 --> 00:27:29.640 And most of those people think we're nut for believing in it. Harry 367 00:27:29.680 --> 00:27:33.680 Hominid walking in night and they don't want to know what's out in the dark. 368 00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:37.319 You have a lot of people who are just in this for that, 369 00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:42.480 for the stories. I one percent believe that they don't want to mess with 370 00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:51.279 all the chaos that can happen in between groups and everything. They just want 371 00:27:51.319 --> 00:27:56.160 a story and be happy and believe Bigfoot's real and that's it. They don't 372 00:27:56.400 --> 00:28:03.000 want to get that invested. It's simple for them, just put on the 373 00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:06.759 show and have a good time and that's it. And then you have that 374 00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:10.559 other group, us that want the answers, or us that just want to 375 00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:15.519 hear the encounter stories, because there's a lot of encounter story channels now. 376 00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:21.200 They have really sprung up in the last couple years, how many times can 377 00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:26.880 you hear the story? Really? But now there's even a whole new thing 378 00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:33.799 that's come and that's Ai that hit the stage, and now everything's back to 379 00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:40.680 being chaotic again because now you can give a prompt and say, make me 380 00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:45.960 a bigfoot story and then it can fit out a whole story for you. 381 00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:51.000 So what do you believe? Now? Now you've got groups that have the 382 00:28:51.039 --> 00:28:56.960 possibility of just making up stories and making big channels because that's what people want. 383 00:28:56.519 --> 00:29:02.519 I have a small channel. I can't take one people like Todd Standing 384 00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:07.400 or whoever with these really large channels, because they could swallow me up. 385 00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:12.680 I was gonna do some stuff with Mike Patterson and I was even gonna have 386 00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:18.880 him on my show. He has rules. He wants your videos, so 387 00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:23.920 he wants the rights, and that's not something that I was willing to do. 388 00:29:23.960 --> 00:29:26.880 You know, No, you're just gonna come on. I'm gonna ask 389 00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:30.960 you some questions. You either answer me you don't, and that's the end 390 00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:37.200 of the story. But they have very loyal followers, some of these guys, 391 00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:45.119 and they will attack you endlessly, relentlessly through emails tech they have way 392 00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:48.279 to get a hold of you, and you have to have a tough skin 393 00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:52.480 when you have to do that type of stuff, this type of stuff. 394 00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:56.920 Even me, I may have debunked one or two things, the majority of 395 00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:03.559 my show is pulling from other people who have done all that hard work and 396 00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:08.519 put it into a nice little package and have showed it and asked people in 397 00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:12.720 the chat, what do you think about this? Why is this come up? 398 00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:18.799 Why does Mark Anders come up every year? His big black bigfoot show 399 00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:21.880 up all the time, and people love it. They just eat it up. 400 00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:26.640 So there's a lot of different things that are going on in the community. 401 00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:33.599 And you mentioned the pictures, the paradoilia that just comes up over and 402 00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:40.079 people just gravitate to it. They don't ask why the little face is as 403 00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:45.599 big as a leaf, you know, they don't ask those critical questions. 404 00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:51.039 That's not even a critical question for me. Why is that little stick there, 405 00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:55.400 that little blade of grass as big as the face? Because they just 406 00:30:55.440 --> 00:31:00.839 want to believe so bad that it exists that they will over shoot that. 407 00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:06.799 But I'm telling you this, I tell this on my podcast all the time. 408 00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:11.440 If you want to show your pictures and videos, be my guest. 409 00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:18.799 But the minute you drop it into social media. We have the right to 410 00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:23.880 say whatever we want about that. Don't put something that has to be circled, 411 00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:30.200 or you have to lighten, change alter the image in any way with 412 00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:36.759 coloring. If you have to do anything to show me what's in that picture, 413 00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:40.720 then the picture's not good. Keep it. I'm not telling you not 414 00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:45.039 to keep it for yourself and for your research, just don't show it. 415 00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:51.279 Maybe somewhere down the line that's gonna be worth a lot of money when somebody 416 00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:56.359 really catches a bigfoot phasing out of a tree or whatever. But for now, 417 00:31:56.160 --> 00:32:00.559 you know, if you have to tell me what I'm looking at, 418 00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:05.480 it's really not worth it. And if you're gonna put out video, put 419 00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:09.519 the whole thing out there, the whole five, ten, fifteen minutes of 420 00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:14.480 worth what you have. Make it available so we can discern from ourselves. 421 00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:17.000 You're asking for people's opinion, or you wouldn't have put it out there. 422 00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:23.599 So don't be mad when you get criticized or get some crazy comments on it, 423 00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:29.440 because that's what you're doing. You're asking for people, look at my 424 00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:32.599 stuff, what do you think? And they know that the majority of the 425 00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:37.960 time they're going to get people saying wow, that's the best ever. I 426 00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:42.279 see that base. Look at that it's smiling, it has teeth. They 427 00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:45.839 will out of nothing, and you're right. All you have to do is 428 00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:50.680 take that picture and lighten it. Most of the time, you just have 429 00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:53.599 to lighten it a little bit and you'll be able to see the trees and 430 00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:59.000 everything in the background. Or drop it into Google Images for goodness sakes, 431 00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:02.440 you can draw up an image to these days and come up with sources on 432 00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:07.640 a lot of different stuff out there now. And I'm just hoping that all 433 00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:13.200 works for AI, that if you feel one is suspicious, that image searches 434 00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:19.240 will catch up with that and also capture where these fake stuff is being produced, 435 00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:23.279 because we all know even in the last year it's gotten better. And 436 00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:29.160 they're saying that AI is fixing the hand problem, because for a little while 437 00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:30.640 there, all you had to do was look at the hands and beat and 438 00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:35.240 you could see it would be all messed up ten fingers on one hand. 439 00:33:35.720 --> 00:33:38.319 But they're fixing it. They know it was an issue and they're fixing it. 440 00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:42.400 So by this time next year, I think we're going to see even 441 00:33:42.839 --> 00:33:46.720 greater images coming out of AI. It's going to be really hard let's talk 442 00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:51.079 about a couple of things that you've covered recently. There's one in particular I 443 00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:52.440 want to get to before we run out of time. I know that's something 444 00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:55.680 you've covered on your channel. Can you give us a dime store tour of 445 00:33:55.880 --> 00:34:00.279 two of the players and what you ended up. Running Out Creek incident was 446 00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:06.400 in nineteen forty one and it was up in Canada. And I don't have 447 00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:10.119 all my names, okay, So the gist as a woman came out of 448 00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:15.039 her shack there on the side of Red Creek, and actually it was her 449 00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:20.039 kids were outside playing and they said there's a cow. Came in running saying 450 00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:23.800 there's a cow. When she went out there, she saw bigfoot. She 451 00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:30.400 was indigenous, so she knew what they were. She was comfortable or had 452 00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:35.320 knew about them, went in, got a like a blanket, covered up 453 00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:39.840 the kids, let the kids run out the back. She proceeded to escape 454 00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:49.079 her home and from there she passed some workers on the railroad nearby, and 455 00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:55.039 she immediately told them there's a sasquatch of the house. So immediate from there 456 00:34:55.199 --> 00:35:00.440 you had a group of men go over to inspect the area, and sure 457 00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:06.920 enough they saw Prince. They saw even one print going from one side of 458 00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:10.880 a fence to the other side, which is a very large six foot fence 459 00:35:12.519 --> 00:35:16.639 that even renee To Hindon has a famous picture of him seeing on top of 460 00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:23.239 that fence. That was that incident, but almost historic shows. I like 461 00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:30.280 to invite Thomas steinbergon because he is a wealth of knowledge and he knows all 462 00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:36.480 the names, and he took us through that incident, which was it was 463 00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:40.119 a fun one because he has all the little details and Renee to Hindon and 464 00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:45.920 everybody who was involved in going out there and checking it out, because there 465 00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:50.599 was several people who went out there to investigate the sighting. The only thing 466 00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:52.400 I think Thomas and I have ever disagreed on. I had him on the 467 00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:58.000 show last year and we talked a little bit about Paul Raemon and Paul Freeman's 468 00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:01.719 footage. For years, Thomas was in the camp of Paul being a legitimate 469 00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:06.519 researcher, and then towards the end of that whole saga, he changed his 470 00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:09.800 mind. I haven't talked to Thomas since the enhanced version of the Freeman footage 471 00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:14.639 came out. That Doug and Alex Hydchik and those guys worked on over the 472 00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:17.119 last couple of years. I don't really know where Thomas if he's changed his 473 00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:21.079 mind about that. He said he was definitely open minded to revisiting that. 474 00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:22.320 So maybe I need to get him back on the show and let's have a 475 00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:28.639 conversation about that. I think he's pretty solid that he thinks it's not real 476 00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:34.440 that there was. There's too many opportunities for his sons to be involved in 477 00:36:34.519 --> 00:36:39.639 stuff like that. I actually don't even know. I'm both ways. Sometimes 478 00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:44.519 I think I believe in it and sometimes I don't. I'm like Melgrim went 479 00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:46.920 and checked out that whole track way one time, and I felt he was 480 00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:52.599 genuine when he said there they're go where there he goes. Recently, there 481 00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:59.039 was another documentary done about the area. He actually walked quite a way up 482 00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:05.440 to get yeah, second shot of the others squatch up there, So it 483 00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:07.039 was a lot to it. There was a lot more to that story. 484 00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:10.920 So it can take you one way or the other way. But remember, 485 00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:16.039 for me, it's not about the video. I don't think there'll be anything 486 00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:22.079 that's going to convince me. I believe in Jay Birch story. I believe 487 00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:27.159 in the Jay Fritz story. I interviewed a lady up here in New Mexico 488 00:37:27.679 --> 00:37:30.559 in an area I'm going to be searching at on her encounter, and she 489 00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:38.599 took me to the exact location and man, the way she described this sasquatch 490 00:37:38.679 --> 00:37:44.440 running in front of her. I believe her. I one hundred percent believe 491 00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:50.159 that she had an encounter. And this lady is completely to me, honest, 492 00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:57.079 she's hardcore. She is way hardcore, not hoaxer type, and she 493 00:37:57.199 --> 00:38:02.480 can't stand the hoaxers. So that's what I believe. And it'll be sad 494 00:38:02.519 --> 00:38:07.440 if all these people I believe are hoaxing me, it be a good date 495 00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:08.679 for me. I definitely am right there with you, and I'll tell you 496 00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:10.400 the one thing that put me over the edge. And I don't want to 497 00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:14.039 spend a whole lot of time on this, but the thing that put me 498 00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:15.599 over the edge on the Freeman footage, because I, too, like you, 499 00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:19.960 went back and forth. Now, when I saw the enhanced version that 500 00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:24.159 Doug and alex ichecking them, did it really clarified a lot for me because 501 00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:28.440 there's a lot more you can see there than what we've been able to see 502 00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:30.840 in that video in the past. But what really did it for me was 503 00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:37.280 interviewing Michael, Paul Freeman's son and talking to Michael about his dad coming home 504 00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:42.440 after capturing that footage and the way he acted showing it to him and his 505 00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:45.960 friends that were there that day. I've said it so many times, you 506 00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:49.320 don't hoax your twelve or thirteen year old son. You might hoax a lot 507 00:38:49.320 --> 00:38:52.159 of people in the Bigfoot community. You might try to pull things over other 508 00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:55.360 people's eyes, but Michael knew his dad better than anybody. And the way 509 00:38:55.400 --> 00:39:00.400 that Paul acted when he came home the day that he captured that footage literally 510 00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:01.960 said I thought we were going to break the tape Brian, because he kept 511 00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:05.960 showing it to us over and over and he was so excited about what he 512 00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:07.920 had captured. That sort of put it over the edge for me. And 513 00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:12.840 again, the footage, if you see the enhanced version of it, is 514 00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:19.239 pretty compelling in my mind that what we're seeing there is a sasquatch possibly lifting 515 00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:22.360 a juvenile or a baby off a tree. But I digress. I want 516 00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:23.840 to move on to this before we run out of time. I want to 517 00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:27.840 talk a little bit about this Bluff Creek massacre thing, because this has come 518 00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:30.639 up recently. You and I were talking before we started. I recently sat 519 00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:35.880 down just yesterday as we record this and had a conversation with MK Davis and 520 00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:39.880 Todd Gatewood, particularly about this image that they've come out framed three point fifty 521 00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:44.559 two. There's a lot of controversy when I saw this come out months ago. 522 00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:46.119 I don't know how long it's been out there in the zeitgeist. Maybe 523 00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:51.920 six months, eight months, I lose track of time. It's this incredible 524 00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:54.960 image of what looks to be Patty's face, very close up to the point 525 00:39:54.960 --> 00:40:00.760 where you can see individual hairs. And the first thing that I saw people 526 00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:05.239 saying it was AI that had created this image, filled in gaps and those 527 00:40:05.320 --> 00:40:07.920 kind of things. Then I started seeing I didn't even know who Todd Gatewood 528 00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:10.880 is. He starts popping up on the scene talking about, no, it 529 00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:15.039 was an upscaled image, It's not AI. And I'm thinking, Okay, 530 00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:17.840 where is MK Davis on all of this? And then MK is the one 531 00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:21.880 who provided these images for Todd to do all the things that we did. 532 00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:24.199 So long story short, I got to sit down with them yesterday as we 533 00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:28.440 record this and had a conversation. We're doing a second part of this, 534 00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:32.199 I was on as a guest host on another podcast, the Mythical Legends podcast 535 00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:36.199 with Daniel Barnett. He asked me to sit in and help him with this 536 00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:38.159 interviews. I wasn't really taking the lead on this, and I didn't take 537 00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:42.519 it down the path that Brian would normally take it had I been in charge 538 00:40:42.559 --> 00:40:45.079 of this interview. But we're definitely going to do that in the second part. 539 00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:50.119 So I said all that to say, there's some controversy around these images. 540 00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:52.679 I don't know how much you've gotten into that, so I certainly don't 541 00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:54.679 want to put you on the spot with any of the updated stuff. So 542 00:40:54.760 --> 00:41:01.360 let's talk a little bit about the Bluff Creek massacre theory that MK came in 543 00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:05.880 with two thousand and six, two thousand and seven, that era, because 544 00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:08.400 here's the question for me, and maybe we can skip right to that if 545 00:41:08.440 --> 00:41:13.199 you have enough knowledge and you can speak to this. If we have this 546 00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:19.079 theory that the Sasquatch were murdered basically for lack of a better tribe. They 547 00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:23.639 were slaughtered on that sandbar in nineteen sixty seven by Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlan 548 00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:29.000 and then subsequently covered up by John Green and Reneeda Hendon and Bob Tedmuss and 549 00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:34.079 all these people. If we have this image of this film, why hasn't 550 00:41:34.119 --> 00:41:37.320 that come out now for MK or Todd Gatewood to say, oh, look 551 00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:40.639 that blood we were talking about in two thousand and six that nobody could see 552 00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:45.280 but me is right here. These bloody hands are right here. I don't 553 00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:49.440 know how much you've went down that road, but where are you on this 554 00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:52.480 whole massacre theory? And then of course this updated version of the film and 555 00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:57.920 the AI controversy and all that, And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to 556 00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:05.239 see. We'll be right back after the East message. So here's my take 557 00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:10.480 on the massacre theory. I did do a recent show about the massacre theory, 558 00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:16.199 and I had on John L. Johnson, who did an interview back 559 00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:22.079 in two thousand and nine with MK Davis at the time. They were friends 560 00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:29.480 during that interview, but over time their friendship strained and they fell part. 561 00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:35.320 Now Johnson held onto this for a long time. He held onto that interview 562 00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:38.639 for a really long time and only fairly recently put it out. So I 563 00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:43.519 thought I would have him on to talk about all this. So he was 564 00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:49.000 very methodical in his he doesn't believe it at all. Okay, I've never 565 00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:52.320 believed in it. I've always felt that, Like I said before, if 566 00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:58.480 you have to adjust the colors or adjust anything on a film or picture, 567 00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:06.079 this included, then you have lost all of its authenticity. You have changed 568 00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:09.000 it. I don't care if you were trying to bring out the vibrant color 569 00:43:09.320 --> 00:43:14.960 or this or that. You have altered the photo, the film. You've 570 00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:20.480 altered it. Now you can make it into anything you want. You could 571 00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:25.360 make it purple or green or whatever you want by adjusting that the right way. 572 00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:31.079 In my world, now there's something to do with the magenta color and 573 00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:37.559 that film and that type of film. So that was not difficult to do. 574 00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:43.519 And remember red flags. You have to think about the red flags. 575 00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:47.159 We're looking for a body, all right, and you're saying that there's a 576 00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:52.199 bunch of bodies out there, and you're still looking for bodies, so you 577 00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:59.039 haven't even gone over there. You would have the ultimate find because if you 578 00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:04.199 really believed in you could go down there and find the bones or something that 579 00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:08.000 was buried over there. And you never did that, not back then or 580 00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:15.360 whenever you decided you know there was a massacre there. It's red flags. 581 00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:19.000 For me, it doesn't make sense. None of that makes sense to me. 582 00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:24.679 That people can talk and they create a narrative, and they stuck people 583 00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:31.599 in to this narrative and they believe it so much that because they have influence, 584 00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:39.599 it changes and becomes real. David Palides, Bobby Short, Kat Hanson, 585 00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:46.000 all these people believed in it. Maybe some are more guilty than others, 586 00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:52.239 but it doesn't matter. It happened, and it was a little Dane 587 00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:55.639 MK had tons of videos on this. Do you remember his whole channel was 588 00:44:55.719 --> 00:45:00.880 nothing but all this masker. It's all the by the way, there may 589 00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:06.239 be one, maybe one or two videos that are still left of that. 590 00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:12.519 It's taken a weird turn, that whole massacre. But what they got out 591 00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:16.599 of it, I don't understand. I don't know why they would take it 592 00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:22.320 so far as to want to create something like that, something so horrific too, 593 00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:27.079 to do something like that and to think that, oh there's blood, 594 00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:31.079 Oh look at the footprint, the little bloody pawprint in the photo. Where 595 00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:35.920 are the other prints? If he's so bloodied up? There's just one random 596 00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:40.480 odd shapes there, but no other I'm pretty sure. A dog can't jump 597 00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:45.440 fifty feet and put one print, You're gonna have four prints there. There's 598 00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:52.440 little things, remember red flag stack them up and that's how we went about 599 00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:57.840 it. It ended up being a great show. Of course, Thomas was 600 00:45:57.880 --> 00:46:01.559 on there too. They have different ideas about the P and G film as 601 00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:06.480 well. I thought I was going to have a rumble, but it ended 602 00:46:06.559 --> 00:46:12.199 up they were very decent and Johnson declined have come to come on again and 603 00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:15.679 talk about the P and G film, But it is what it is. 604 00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:20.639 Everybody's going to have their own take and their own belief But I really encourage 605 00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:24.960 people to stack those red flags. Just don't follow the crowd. Don't be 606 00:46:25.039 --> 00:46:29.199 afraid to say if you don't believe it, it's just your opinion. All 607 00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:31.559 of this is speculation, folks, all of it. Try to have a 608 00:46:31.559 --> 00:46:36.880 little fun with it. Don't get too serious about it. But for goodness 609 00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:42.119 sakes, like Thomas Steinberg would say, thou shalt not hoax. It's his 610 00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:45.920 motto there, stick to the fact. You have to stick to the fact. 611 00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:51.960 Then only the fact, and we'll be okay, and some of us 612 00:46:51.960 --> 00:46:54.159 are going to be watching. I am in no way, shape or form 613 00:46:54.280 --> 00:46:59.239 a big cook police. Okay, that's not my intention here at all, 614 00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:04.239 because because you can watch me or not watch me, people can move right 615 00:47:04.280 --> 00:47:07.639 along if you don't like what I'm saying. I'm just trying to bring something 616 00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:12.719 different. I want you to think about what's going on. And there's a 617 00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:19.960 thousand other channels out there that I love and I watch, so it's easy 618 00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:24.760 to get sucked into some of the more crazy ideas out there, for sure. 619 00:47:25.119 --> 00:47:30.679 Very wise words you guys. Go over and check out Sasquatch Secrets with 620 00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:32.559 Nikki Klogne. Nikki, I've had a blast talking to you. Thank you 621 00:47:32.599 --> 00:47:36.800 so much for coming on and having this conversation. Thank you so much. 622 00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:39.280 It was fun. I have to come back again. Yeah, we'll have 623 00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:44.000 to make this a standing date between the two of us. We wanted to. 624 00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:49.000 Yeah, talking about the hoaxers. I'm always up for that. They 625 00:47:49.119 --> 00:48:00.920 say you don't gotta go home, but you can stay. I O world 626 00:48:01.119 --> 00:48:30.280 happen said step stays sticks chart this child, that child everything calling right back, 627 00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:37.000 Ride back for joy from me. Enjoy staying right there, Come in 628 00:48:37.239 --> 00:49:51.280 right away, stay still, stay says sat statist. Don't talk about thesssstssssssssss