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Mmm. Hello, It's Tuesday February
in the seventeen twenty and fifteen and you

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were listening to the Giant Bomb Cast. I'm your host, Brad Shoemaker,

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fresh off of honoring our fine nations
presidents. Uh. The only way I

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know how how was that, which
is by not leaving the house and playing

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video games. Work. Nice work. Jeff Gersman, Hello, have you

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put away your collection of powdered wigs? Yeah? I did. We set

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them on fire this year that you
know, like every what was it every

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eight years you have to burn this
and get new wigs to retire them a

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little, a little piro in your
President's Day celebration. Yeah, so this

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was I heared out to be our
burn year. So weakened the whigs.

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Next year, new wigs. Yeah, observing custom, Washington brewed his own

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beer and burned his own wigs.
Yes. Uh. Drew Scanlin, have

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you drafted any articles of Confederacy recently? I have not. Uh, and

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uh there's a lot out there that
he's fixing. So you know I did

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draft. I did draft a joystick
diagram this weekend. Okay, well,

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that's that's the next best thing.
I think that that's that's going that's going

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into the Constitution. Okay, Article
Amendment two amendments. Uh, eighty nine,

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Dan, right, because that world
Rod too. Yeah, is there

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eighty eight amendments? That's not right. No, it's definitely not not that

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many. That was inflated for comedic
value. Okay, I got it.

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Yeah, okay, man, he
said eighty nine. But really they're like

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twelve twenties prohibition was yeah, oh
yeah, yeah, we should know that

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danger. Hey there, explain to
me the concept of checks and balances in

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the context of the US federal government. So one of the three branches of

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Congress rights checks that say things that
they want to do on them, and

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they got to pass it around the
room until everyone mix sure that all the

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wording is fair and balanced. That's
m that's where that term comes from,

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basically how I understand. So yeah, yeah, yeah, so that's how

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I understand it. So yeah,
okay, yeah, sure that works out.

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No, the bills, it stands
on Capitol Hill and sings the little

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song and well and that's what the
justice like the thing from the Metallica album

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cover. That's why she's got scales. She has to put the check in

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one side. That's why it's unbalanced
because the check isn't in there right right,

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and then and then the country works. They have to move checks from

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one side to the other until the
scale is exactly balanced. We all know

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what's going. All of those things
become laws. And the Metallic Metadical album,

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Uh no, I don't think that
that's a really good album. Fell

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Oh yeah, okay, all albums
great. Okay, dude, that just

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like almost thirty years ago. Oh
yeah, yeah, really good album,

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though. I think they're done putting
out good albums. That's Magnetic was really

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good whatever, not with the way
it was Mastard couldn't tell you. Fucking

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the race to the loud, the
loudness race death. Magnetic is a pox

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on modern society. They should recall
it. I download my unmastered take that

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I stole from Guitar Hero. I
like this new character a lot. Was

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that actually that actually happened? Right? That did actual? Like the cuts?

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The cut and Guitar Hero actually was
like more more dynamic, right than

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I think? Well, I think
super compressed album version. The way it

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ends up is because games like Guitar
Hero and and the Rock Band have to

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work with stems of the song,
right, so they're basically abling people that

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are nefarious and shady who like to
steal things out of video games, or

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just cool people that would do cool
shit with stuff to get at those things

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and then mix it at they see
fit. But also like the developers of

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those games are doing their own mix
right, Yeah, I didn't even think

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about that. Yeah. Yeah.
And so they're not bound to whatever whatever

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whatever shackles were placed on the song
Clears Revenge. In the prison that is

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the studio, they don't have any
checks or balances there. Nope, no,

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that's for sure. No, they
have assert it lawlessness. No one

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in the certification process gives a fuck
if it is redlined or not. Yeah,

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it's just the way. It's basically
the wild West in the recording studio.

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Does it crash, No, sure, all right, it's in.

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Maybe they might this popa roach song. Yeah, it's in gross. No

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thank you, hey man, you
gotta take the go with the band.

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No thank you? Makes this country
great? Is that, everyone's got to

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say. Even Tony Hawk had a
pop popa roach song. And two,

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anyone can start a band. You
can start one right now. You can

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start too. You guys want to
be in a band yes, okay,

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we're in a band. All right, great, awesome, We're an awesome

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band. It's called Guns and Roses
two. Yeah, yeah, Roman Numeral

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or we're going to marriage de alright
class Guns and Roses too. A friend

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of mine was actually in a friend
of mine was in a band called Nirvana.

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To you the sequel for a while. Oh man, all right,

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every band you apply that too,
it's gonna get progressively less funny. But

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yeah, totally, yep, it's
really good. Uh did you live?

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Oh god, did you spend your
three day weekend listening to Papa Roach?

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Jeff? Of course? Yeah.
I mean it's just like p roaches on

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all the time. Jacoby shattucks.
That's good, Kobe. I don't know.

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It's fairy tipped to just hit stop
after Guns and Roses too. I

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just told know how it's gonna get
me better than that. What did you

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do this weekend? We got three
days off, seventy two hours. I

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don't know. I hung out,
I did some stuff. It was Valentine's

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Day. That was cool. It
was that went out and had dinner and

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and that was an experience. Yeah, kind of dinner, so fancy dinner.

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It's hard to find so I you
know, it's I wanted to go

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to a restaurant and you look at
the menu online and go like, this

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looks like a cool place. Then
you get there and they're like, here's

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our Valentine's Day menu, because fuck
you right, like, here's what we're

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making tonight. There's a zillion people
coming through exactly, yeah, and I

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totally understand why this should do that. But when I made the reservation,

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they did not have their Valentine's Day
men you posted and that was a little

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yeah basically, so you walk in
there and they're like, you want some

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apples and some vodka? Like not
really, but I mean what else do

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you have? What if you put
the apples in the vodka? Yeah?

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Sure, I mean whatever you need
to do to get through. So it

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was a rude surprise. I mean, you got there, it was it

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was unfortunate, you know, fix
them in you Yeah, well no,

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it was not like prefixed like pay
this and choose one of two things.

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But it was like they had eight
things instead of twenty. And it turns

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out the stuff that they cut where
all the stuff that we would have wanted

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to eat. So whatever, whatever, not that big of a deal.

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And the grand scheme of things I
eat every day. Yes, as it

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turns out, so when one when
one food experience goes bad, there are

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plenty of always more for the following
day. Your your body has been nourished,

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and you've moved on with your life. Yeah, to what I've moved

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on to? Debt or Alive five
Last Last Round? Yeah, that just

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shut up in mail? That did
I put that in? So that's actually

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that's the retail version of a free
to play a game or a free download

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that will be going up today or
has not gone up yet or is up

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soon or whatever. That's called Debt
or Alive five Last Round Core Fighters.

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How many colons are in that title
too? I think I don't know,

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but I want to say that's free
on PS four and you might have to

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pay a fee to play it on
the Xbox One. I don't know what

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the fuck happened there. But it's
like a four character version of the game

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if you get it that way,
and then you can go pay four bucks

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to add characters to the game.
And so does the retail one just come

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with everything? Yeah, the retail
is just everything. So it was if

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you want to buy the story mode
for your free version. You can give

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them thirteen dollars or whatever they like. It's they've split it all up piecemeal

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in really weird ways that assume that
you want any of that. Batier Japanese

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fighting games not really the area that
I expected to expand into free to play,

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and yet it seems to be happening. Well, I mean just I

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mean, I think I think you're
being a little rough when you say B

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tier. Come on, considering techn
is a free to play fighting game,

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or or there was a free to
play Techen. If you want to tell

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me the Soul Caliber is a B
tier fighting game, I agree with you.

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What what I've got some bad news
about teen? Okay, go on,

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uh, I don't think it rates
anymore. You might be right,

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I mean, Technic is really good, but like I'm I'm okay, so

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Caliber. Let's let's get this out
of the way. Yeah, Soul Caliber

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one's an amazing game. Then they
made like nine more and they're all sucking

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lame. Five wasn't terrible, Okay, one is the best one way?

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Hang on? They made a five? Oh yeah, yeah, but the

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one after the Star Wars one it
was all Yoda waiting. No, it

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was Yoda and Yoda there's really Yeah, there's soul caliber after the one with

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the Star Wars characters, yea and
the completely forgot it's better than four,

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it's better than four. It's uh, I think one, three and five,

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But like no one cares about soul
caliber and instead I care about So

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that's okay, Yes, I care. I will look forward to your performance

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at EVO. U. Techn is
infinitely more important than soul. I'm with

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you. I'm with you. That's
that's with you on that. Uh.

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But Tech and Techen's well, I
was about to say Techen's best days are

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behind it, but I don't know
if I want to go that far.

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I don't know. I was always
want to see Tech and seven it's it's

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coming out in Japan pretty soon.
Here in Arcades, there's always room for

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a new technic game to be great, and I have I have loved techn

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at one point in my life,
but it's been a lot. I think

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techn is so setting is what it's
ways at this point that like, yeah,

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I mean there's only so much they
can do, That's what I mean.

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Like I like techn Yeah, did
like said, did you like Tech

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and Tech Tournament too? I thought
that was really good. It was okay,

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Yeah, that was fine. I
thought it was one of the better

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ones in recent years. Yeah,
I thought that Teking five and six were

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we're okay too, you know,
like that stuff's all right, It's just

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it's not grabbing me the same way
one through three did. Uh, you

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know obviously, because that's when it
was new, when you were like,

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fucking this is insane. Yeah,
would you take a new techn over a

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new Soul Caliber. Oh, I'm
not interested in a new Soul Caliber game.

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They they shot their wad, They're
done. The thing's done. Man.

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It still flows so much smoother than
Tech. I mean, I love

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like all the characters they added.
It's just like weird jokes and they added

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all their creative fighter stuff that I
think is pointless and like it's just not

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It's it like as someone who has
played a lot of fighting games for a

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lot of years and taking some of
them seriously, Like that was never a

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game I took seriously. Soul Caliber
won the Dreamcast might as well have been

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a party game because it was so
accessible that anyone could pick it up and

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enjoy it. I think that's why
I liked it, because I've always liked

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fighting games, but I've never been
like an EVO type guy. But with

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soul Caliber, I felt like you
could just pick up a controller and match

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buttons and Max he's can do yeah, or you could learn and like,

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Okay, I'm gonna learn every stance
and it's a rugie and every single move

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and go through all the tutorials and
stuff. Like I thought it was great,

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super cool shit in that game.
Yeah, And soul Caliber on I

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mean, soul Caliber on the Dreamcast
is like lightning in a bottle, Like

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it's fucking insane, like going top
to bottom all the stuff they added to

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it, like it's it's Namco at
the top of their fucking game. Going

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going to my friend's house the night
the Dreamcast came out, when he brought

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it home and hooked up and played. So that was like a defined that's

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like a top ten defining moment in
video games type of thing. But there's

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a added line relationship between saul Caliber
and Golden Eye. Oh what's that where

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it has that kind of thing where
it's like it was that dorm room game

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and it was like people that had
no interest in fighting games were like,

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oh yeah, we played a ton
of it, and like they're still weirdly

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all right at Soul Caliber in this
really insane way, and you're like,

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what is really And they never went
on to play much of anything else in

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the genre. It's no button masher. They're like, if you know what

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you're doing in Soul no one should
be able to beat. There's absolute skill

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involved. Yeah I'm not. I'm
not discounting any of the fighting systems and

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all that sort of stuff. I
just think as they tacked on stuff over

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the years, they got further and
further away from the things that made that

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game great. I would actually still
rather play Soul Edge than anything than Soul

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Caliber two on. I go back
to that thing, and I fully agree

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with everything past one being a shadow
of totally. Like they're actually in the

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history of video games. There's no
game I've played more than the first Soul

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Caliber. I bet yeah. I
played these. I played for like four

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years. I played it nightly,
like it was a dorm thing. It

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was in the high school. It. See. That's why I'm saying that.

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That's why I say there's that dotted
line to Golden Eye, because Golden

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Eye was very much that dorm thing
for a lot of people like you.

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You hear from people that don't play
video games at all now and depending on

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their age, obviously the yeah,
oh yeah, but I used to play

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Golden Eye back in the day.
I used to play Soul Caliber all the

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time. Like it's the exact same
sentence, exact same tone of voice.

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Oh yeah, bro, that exact
I think maybe now, maybe probably these

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days, I don't I'm not hanging
out on college campuses as much as maybe

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I used to. So I can't
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I'm not in a band anymore.
I might be able to help you

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with that, really, Yeah,
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I'll get on yack yack. That's
where they all hang out. I'll tell

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you what staircases they're getting high near. It's a it's a low k okay,

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all right, ya yack. It's
a location based a bulletin board,

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so you load up your phone.
It will give you everything people have posted

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to the service within a certain radius
of you, GEO locating you where you

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are right now, where you are
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I can't post on the same I
can't post to the same people that see

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things when I post from home because
I'm not home. Okay. So you

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could travel to a new city,
say San Antonio, and say where are

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the cool places to eat? And
then the people that use yik yak because

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they're all assholes respond like your mother, and you go like, this is

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a great service. This is really
very informed the human condition. I'm downloading

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it right now. Are they the
ones that told us to go to that

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bar? For now? No?
That was that was? It was a

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courtney. One of our moderators say, she mentioned it by name, and

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then maybe I misinterpreted the name and
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was not she said it was.
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have fancy old sodas and candy,
and I really wanted to go, and

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it was in this mall, and
she said the name of a place that

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I'm pretty sure it was the same
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to, but that's not what it
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there are two places with the same
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so they weren't. There was just
a box, no fucking idea.

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getting some great photos Yeah, some
fantastic photos I loaded up ye yak for

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where we're at right now. Yeah, So it's it's big on colleges for

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people to talk about how high they
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like I'm in this class right now, but I'm so stoned, and then

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you could post replies to people and
it's all anonymous. My boyfriend is my

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best friend. Do guys get bored
when that happens? This Tuesday is Monday

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as fuck college bars. Any good
spots at presidio for me to smoke my

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bong with two g's boy. Yeah, yeah, I gotta go in to

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download this app right now. Yeah, it's excuse me, it's pretty great.

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So I'm yeah, what were we
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the kids man there yak and getting
high and Saul caliber so Saul calibers whatever,

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and techn could again be great.
I think it is. I'm at.

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I don't I disagree. I think
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of as a series gets further and
further locked into its ways, like,

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you know, the best techn can
you hope to do is to continue to

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appease the base of tech and things
and maybe bring back some people that have

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elapsed and and but but at the
same time, like techn is still gonna

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be techn that you know, it's
still gonna be a four button system.

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It's still gonna be like, you
know, you can't get too far away

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from that because at some point you're
no longer making techn And I think that

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that's I wish. I don't know, I don't know what I wish,

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but like Mortal Kombat is really the
only franchise that is like totally said fuck

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it and thrown away everything multiple times. Yeah, for the for was it,

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five, six, and seven,
for those three games on on PS

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two and Xbox and GameCube, it
was all three D spaces and stans changes

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and all the stans is all a
crazy shit. I think that would end

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a fight in the middle of the
thing, like kicking someone into some Grand

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Gear ship. Yeah, sure,
yeah, it was stuff that was like

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I don't know, at the time, I remember we're thinking, like this

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is really amazing that like all these
systems seemed really well thought out. And

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yes, when you're standing here,
the red light turns on on the on

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the UI and you know you can
kick him it. But in practice,

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like those games were not especially fun, so when they threw it all out

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for MK versus DC and then hone
to that for MK nine. Like that

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was that was where that series got
got great again. Sure, what's the

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kind of the tournament scene stance on
tech and these ideas tech and even show

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up at EVO in a substantive way? Yeah, I think it. I

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think it absolutely does. Like like
you don't hear much about. I mean

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we could go look at the EVO
homepage. They have a list of games

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posted already. Yeah, that things
in July again, Yeah, always what

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do they gus? What do they
play? What techn do they play?

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that technically a street fighter game.
Yeah, I think it's more of a

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street it's a thing. I mean
yeah, it is a little more street

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fighter E than TECHNI But isn't that
the most recent techn that came out Well

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it's not a tech tech all right, what's the most recent technic game that

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came out tech? Probably? Yeah, yeah, I think so. But

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let's look at the list here of
games that are going to be at EVO.

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That' be teckn Tag Tournament two.
Yes, seven is a way is

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off right? Seven is out in
arcades like what right this month in Japan?

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Sh Yeah, there's like one arcade
getting at the end of this month

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and then the full rollouts in March. I guess is how it's gonna go.

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Okay, So here's the list according
to the logos on here. Ultra

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Street Fighter four, Super Smash Brothers
for we U, Killer Instinct Ultimate,

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Marvel Versus Capcom three, Guilty Gears, Exert Sign, Mortal Kombat X,

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Super Smash Brothers, Malay Uh,
Persona four Arena h Ultimax, and Tech

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and seven. Okay, so they'll
they'll play in Tech and seven there even

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even being the new Tech and still
at the very end of that list and

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the Mind Game. Yes, yeah, there's way setive. You just you

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just reminded me that I forgot to
buy Guilty Gears on that flash sale this

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weekend. What was it like twenty
five or so? Like twenty four dollars?

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I think I finally bought the Jackbox
Party pack ten bucks. Yeah,

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pretty good deal. Yeah, that
seemed like the right price as someone who

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never has enough people around to play
that game. I figured this was the

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right amount to pay for something that
I will never actually have. Ten dollars

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is a good what if price?
Yeah, like what if I need if

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I need this, Yeah, but
I'll have it. That is exactly.

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It was a speculative purchase. It's
a DA whatever whatever based on DA five

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then yeah, character and like more
swimsuits and running on PS four Xbox one

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not I've not seen much volleyball,
but there's one level where a bunch of

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pumpkins fall down the stairs little balls. Okay, I don't know the fus

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going on in that thing. I
got sad while I was playing it.

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I actually think it's like a pretty
good game. Just DA five in general

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is a good game, alright,
you know, like DA has always been

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kind of okay. Once you if
you you know, once you get past

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this kind of skivier nature of it, you're like, no, whatever this,

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you know that stuff's dumb. But
it's still a pretty decent fighting game.

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But I got sad because I started
worrying that this might be the last

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time I get to play as virtual
fighter characters in a modern game. Sarah

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and Akira and Jackie are in it. But why would this be the last?

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Because is Sega ever gonna make a
new fucking VF How many versions of

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five have they put out. They
put out quite a few, at least

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three. I want to say,
yeah, yeah, well there was was

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a five VO and then five final
tuned. Is that what was final tuned

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was the last one? Which one
was the like kind of stripped down downalytable

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version, remember that? Yes,
yeah, they did that. I think

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that that was final tuned. I
want to say that was the one where

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it's like, Okay, this version
with these balance changes and updates is not

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available anywhere else. It was like
an XL The only way we can get

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it out is there is an xbla
thing and we'll put it out that way.

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And you just wonder with like,
you know, the way Sega's focus

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keeps changing and going further and further
into digital things and not physical things,

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like you know, it seems like
it would be expensive to make a new

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virtual fighter and do it in arcades
the way that they need to for the

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Japanese market to matter. And yeah, like the they even have the people

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that you would want to do a
new VS. I mean VF five was

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amazing, you know, it was
a great what it was. Yeah,

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so I don't really know what the
status stuff. Cut tons of staff since

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then, they have, but I
don't know how much those cuts were in

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Japan. You know, it's like
they cut the US staff these days.

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He's not at Sega, hasn't for
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I think so, I don't know. They might have brought him into

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look at it and go like,
yeah, that's totally yeah. No three

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buttons, good going, not four
smart that's all you need. Yeah,

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that's how you make a VF game. Yeah yeah, so yeah, so

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I got kind of bummed out,
but then whatever, I'm still I'm looking

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forward to playing some more of this
for at least a little while. Yeah,

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I might download it too. If
it's yeah, like those characters are

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like the four. It's like it's
like hoyabusa, ya, it's Tomi and

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all right. I don't know,
but I almost think I know who those

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characters. Sure, yeah, I
take care. Yeah, I forget which

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four they are, but yeah,
it's it's four characters that you look at

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and go like, yeah, that's
probably those are probably the main characters from

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DA Sure, yeah, I don't
know. It seems all right. It's

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weird the disc and manual are both
covered and like like the printing on them

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is like this like beaded up the
water. So it's like the disc just

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looks wet, and you're like,
what the fuck are you doing? This

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is disgusted. When you opened it
and said that, I thought you meant

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that the disc was literally wet,
like when I got sent to you in

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the mail, and that sounded way
grocer. No, that would be way

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grosser. But you mean the video
game wet? That would be yeah,

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yeah, fucking disgusting. Just just
apply water like Handy included water packet.

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Yeah, it's sprints, sprinkles,
WWF. Sweat is included in this package.

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Maximum sweat. Uh yeah, wait
two we two eighty three this year

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and that's coming right, we will
see that's the stay tuned for. Yeah,

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it's all It's just a ninety minute
thing where they're like, we've got

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it right. Here's wet too.
Yeah. Finally, Jeff, I want

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you to tell me about the order. We'll talk about it next week.

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I know, I'm just saying I
want you to tell me about it,

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man, But it's not coming out
to Friday, which I didn't realize until

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that's a weird day. Yeah,
and the last day or two we'll have

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a quick look up on the site
later this week. I thought it was

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a Tuesday release. Questions answer,
it's not the first Sony first party Friday

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release, right since the PS four
came out. Weren't they did toying with

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that here and there? Famous was
a weird day, wasn't it. Yeah?

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I feel like there's because and the
same deal, Like there was a

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bunch of infamous stuff out like way
ahead of time. Yes, because copies

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got out. Yes. Yeah,
we were talking earlier and you were surmising

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that even with a Friday release,
the copies are probably getting too stores on

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the schedule that they would for a
Tuesday release. Seems like it would because

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because there are gonna have separate trucks, right, uh go to distribution where

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I I don't know, and you
can't get all that. You couldn't.

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You couldn't. You couldn't schedule it
for the following week's delivery because it might

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not get there in time. Yeah, but sure enough, there are lots

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of people streaming and posting videos of
the order. Yeah, I guess what

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happened. Someone posted the full game. I think there's like multiple playthroughs out

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there now. Yeah, it's like
there's in fact, there's a guy posting

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a play through, like getting all
collectibles and stuff, so if you will

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see every pixel that there is to
see of the order, which is nice

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because it's out. There are fewer
pixels to look at the games because it's

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all letter box. Yes, cut
all that stuff out anyway, quick look

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and review forthcoming. We can't discuss
it here though, Uh there's anything else?

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Uh no, that's that's pretty much
shit. I doubt. I don't

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know why. I don't know what. Hath the fuck? I download a

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DC Universe online. Oh yeah,
you mentioned that, thinking like I was

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gonna play it, and I was
like, no, I'm not gonna.

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They put out a bunch of stuff. They put out another piece of like

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another so they it's it's free to
play it. But they put out their

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DALC for like ten bucks a pop, and you get access to these you

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know, mission whatever these missions are
and stuff, so that that it's showing

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up back in the news. Maybe
go like, oh maybe I'll take a

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look at this. And I downloaded
it and haven't actually run it or anything

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like that. I played some super
Stardust, Yes that's the same game.

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Yep, So it seems I don't
know who, like, who's who are

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they trying to trick? Yeah,
one, well, I guess it's not

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available on PS four, so why
not? That's the thing. I mean,

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it's like, it's nice, it's
it's here on PS four. Yeah.

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This is the first Superstar Dust for
PS four. Oh you said it's

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not available on PS yeah, because
it came out until it was as three

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launch game. Yeah, I got
it. Okay, so I got the

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one hand from a sort of added
some modes. I mean it's yeah,

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it's got like exactly the same game, but it is the sort of thing

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where you're like this this could literally
be the same boss fight and I don't

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even remember, you know, form
like a preservationist kind of perspective, like

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it's nice to have it running on
more platforms, but at the same time,

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like would it have been hard to
just make a new Superstar Dust game.

407
00:24:59.319 --> 00:25:00.720
Maybe? I don't know, Like
what is superstart us to this point?

408
00:25:00.799 --> 00:25:03.000
Like, you know, they stuck
to the tenets of it the same

409
00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:07.400
way, like if they when they
departed too far from what Geometry Wars was,

410
00:25:07.480 --> 00:25:08.640
it actually made for a lesser game. Yeah, I don't know.

411
00:25:08.799 --> 00:25:12.440
I like Geometry Wars three, it's
not as good. Yeah, that's then

412
00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:15.160
you are literally agreeing with what I
just said. But it's not bad,

413
00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:18.200
like in its own right, it's
pretty good. Yeah, like what we

414
00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:21.119
were saying when it came out,
you know, like if this game there's

415
00:25:21.160 --> 00:25:23.519
any different name on it and Geometry
Wars didn't exist or whatever, like you

416
00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:26.640
think it was pretty good. I
enjoyed it for a full three days and

417
00:25:27.319 --> 00:25:30.480
intend to never play it again.
Did you do the like single player adventure

418
00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:33.039
mode thing at all? I started
doing it. I kind of like that,

419
00:25:33.160 --> 00:25:36.279
kind of got to a point where
I'm like, I'm good. I

420
00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:38.759
mostly like that thing. Yeah.
A few of the levels had some issues,

421
00:25:38.839 --> 00:25:41.319
but I mean it was really challenging. YEA like that. Yes,

422
00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:45.359
it's quite tough. Some of the
level shapes not so great. Yeah,

423
00:25:45.880 --> 00:25:48.839
the ones where you can't really tell
what's around the bend pretty rough. Yes,

424
00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:52.440
Yeah, some of use do givable
and that's I don't like the boss

425
00:25:52.480 --> 00:25:56.519
fights. I don't like this structure
of like, ye, keep it alive

426
00:25:56.559 --> 00:25:59.279
for as long as you kind of
can, because you need to milk as

427
00:25:59.279 --> 00:26:02.000
many points out of it as possible
like that. I don't know that weird

428
00:26:02.200 --> 00:26:06.839
kind of a backwards built sort of
thing. Sure, that didn't really,

429
00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:11.079
I didn't really do it for me
anything else. No, man, no,

430
00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:17.759
keep it a casgy this weekend?
Yeah all right, what casgy cash?

431
00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:21.839
Hell of cash. I think people
actually say I kept it cash.

432
00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:30.480
I'm sure he would be proud.
Uh, Dan, Yes, what'd you

433
00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:33.640
get up to this weekend? I
kept real busy. Yeah, yeah,

434
00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:37.640
just the usual running, writing and
drinking stuff like that. Played some games,

435
00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:41.960
okay, Uh, Mainly I focused
on Grow Home after hearing about it

436
00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:47.440
last week my gambit worked it.
You I heard it up on UPF.

437
00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:49.160
I was just like, fuckers,
play this game. I downloaded it.

438
00:26:49.279 --> 00:26:52.720
Yeah, all right, you're getting
there. It wasn't a hard sell at

439
00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:55.400
all for me, Like I love
games like that, and it was just

440
00:26:55.519 --> 00:26:57.720
kind of a perfect game to play
through it, or the five hours or

441
00:26:57.759 --> 00:27:02.680
so I played over the weekend.
Yeah, I just love how how kind

442
00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:04.480
of stripped down it was. It's
it's just at its core a platformer with

443
00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:08.640
an interesting, unique control thing,
and then it actually does a good job

444
00:27:08.680 --> 00:27:11.559
of being kind of nerve racking,
like if you haven't activated the teleporter,

445
00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:15.799
where you're really high us and you're
like trying to crawl out on this thing

446
00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:18.240
and like stretch out this little vine
thing. It's terrifying because if you fall,

447
00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:21.440
like there's real consequences, Like I
gotta climb all the way o,

448
00:27:21.759 --> 00:27:23.119
it's like another five minutes to climb
all the way up there again. Yeah,

449
00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:26.880
and trying to gauge stuff like I
wonder if my jet pack has enough

450
00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:29.720
power my jet pack plus my flower
that's half done or whatever, if I

451
00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:33.200
can actually get over there. Yeah. I had a great time with it.

452
00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:37.240
You do find yourself pulling a lot
of desperate maneuvers, like if you

453
00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:38.039
miss a jump, You're like,
oh, what can I grab on the

454
00:27:38.079 --> 00:27:41.599
way down to try to minimize the
damage here. Yeah, And it can

455
00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:44.400
get funky sometimes, like when I
was climbing on the vine, sometimes the

456
00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:47.240
camera would get really weird. Is
the worst thing about that game. It

457
00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:51.640
can be kind of spotty, whereas
like the movement is goofy, but it

458
00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:55.240
feels intentionally so and and you get
used to it. But yeah, I

459
00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:56.359
like the character. I love the
look of the world. I think it's

460
00:27:56.440 --> 00:28:00.880
great. Yea, yeah, yeah, it's fantastic. Look did you do

461
00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:03.759
what you got all the crystals?
Right? Did you do all the other

462
00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:04.559
thing that? Like, oh yeah, when you get to your ship.

463
00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:07.559
Okay, yeah, okay, yeah, I made sure to do all the

464
00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:11.400
crystals before the other thing you do
at the end, because the blast unlock

465
00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:15.279
you get with all the hundred crystal
makes it like it basically trivializes the rest

466
00:28:15.319 --> 00:28:18.880
of the stuff you have to do. Did you get alle hundred crystals?

467
00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:21.400
No? I meant like early eighties
right now, I think, Yeah,

468
00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:23.839
is getting the crystals what unlocks your
abilities? Yeah, so like at ten,

469
00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:26.640
twenty forty sixteen, one hundred do
you unlock new things? Which a

470
00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:30.519
lot of them are upgrades for your
jet pack, you know, things like

471
00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:33.799
that, which helps a lot.
If you've not seen the game, we

472
00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:34.960
have quick quick look of it.
But if you haven't seen it, it's

473
00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:41.720
eager basically growing a giant bean stock
basically your space ship. Yeah. You

474
00:28:41.799 --> 00:28:45.079
have to plug in vines that are
shooting off the bean stock into these like

475
00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:48.000
energy islands, and like the first
one will be like plug in four and

476
00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:51.680
then plug in eight or something,
and then each time you hit that,

477
00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:56.119
the like core vine gets closer to
the spaceship. Okay, along the way,

478
00:28:56.119 --> 00:28:57.039
there are crystals to collect. Yeah, yeah, we talked about it

479
00:28:57.039 --> 00:29:00.960
a bunch last week. Yeah,
it's it's funny, like it's it's really

480
00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:03.400
cool when like, you know,
you're looking for crystals and then you just

481
00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:06.279
stumble like accidentally, like the ground
will collapse, and then you're in this

482
00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:07.720
cave and you look around there,
Oh, there's like five crystals in here.

483
00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:10.920
This get these amount of stuff to
discover in that game, Like they

484
00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:14.559
do a good job of tucking things
away. Yeah, yeah, no,

485
00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:17.759
just I love the whole thing of
that game is that no one knew about

486
00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:18.319
it, and all of a sudden
it's like, oh this is out and

487
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:21.440
it's like, oh, this is
cheap and really cool. Yeah. It

488
00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:22.759
kind of made me wish there was
more of it, you know. Yeah,

489
00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:26.119
yeah, happily played more of that
thing. Yeah, I hope it

490
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:29.039
sells well because I mean it really
seems like a cool passion project for the

491
00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:33.119
guys that made that. Totally you'd
be suffering, uh yeah reflections. Yeah.

492
00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:37.279
Outside of that, played a couple
more rounds of Evolve. I think,

493
00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:38.799
oh, yes, yes, we
need to talk about Evolved. Yes,

494
00:29:38.920 --> 00:29:41.640
I also have played some Evolved.
I've just forgot about. I too

495
00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:48.079
have played a fair amount of Evolve. Yeah continue, Oh you know,

496
00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:52.400
I've yet to do outside of the
Quick Look we did. I've yet to

497
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:53.960
do one where I just like staffed
the room full of friends that are playing

498
00:29:53.960 --> 00:29:57.000
it or whatever. I've only done
strangers. Yeah, same here so far.

499
00:29:57.519 --> 00:30:00.000
Uh yeah, And you know what, I I think for the way

500
00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:03.160
I've been playing it to where it's
like if I just have like thirty minutes

501
00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:06.480
to kill and yeah, I'll just
load one up real quick, and I

502
00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:08.039
don't see if I get the monster
or whatever, I play one level up

503
00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:11.599
a class or something. Does it
mean you only want to play the Monster?

504
00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:14.559
No? No, actually, uh
yeah, It's been my first choice,

505
00:30:14.599 --> 00:30:18.440
probably more than anything I'm hitting in
the direction it is more fun being

506
00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:22.200
a monster. More than that.
I have got a perfect win record with

507
00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:25.799
the Monster and a perfect loss record
as a Hunter. That's one of the

508
00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:26.960
cool things about being the Hunter,
though, is that you feel like you

509
00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:30.559
actually did get a victory if you
take down the Monster. I would like

510
00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:33.839
to experience that feeling, Like we
we beat Vinny as the Monster in the

511
00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:34.920
Quick Look, but that was kind
of you know, that was sort of

512
00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:41.559
special circumstances. Yeah, but I
just the game balance, like, as

513
00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:44.680
as a new player, it feels
so lopsided in favor of the monster.

514
00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:48.000
Well, I mean, it's all
about catching him quick. Seems to be

515
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:49.759
one of the best ways to actually
win as a hunter, because because once

516
00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:52.599
the monster gets to level three,
like, it's insanely powerful. Yeah,

517
00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:55.640
yeah, so I mean you gotta
get him quick. But I mean that's

518
00:30:55.680 --> 00:30:56.559
hard enough as it is, you
know, just getting them trapped in the

519
00:30:56.599 --> 00:31:00.519
arena or finding him even at the
very beginning. But yeah, I mean

520
00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:03.559
the way I've been playing, I'm
not sitting down and playing four hour sessions.

521
00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:07.240
I think I'd get tired pretty quick
of it that way. But just

522
00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:10.599
playing, you know, the couple
things I played over the weekend, you

523
00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:12.039
know, here and there, I
enjoyed it. Did you feel like you

524
00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:17.599
were like forming proper teams with random
players or is it just a fucking mess?

525
00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:18.920
It seems like most people get the
gist of what to do. I

526
00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:22.480
don't see a lot of people breaking
off and doing their own thing. Like,

527
00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:23.720
you know, whenever I check the
map with the touchpad, it's like,

528
00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:26.359
Okay, everyone seems to be going
in the general right direction, and

529
00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:30.920
the trapper generally knows to throw down
the arena, and yeah, whoever's doing

530
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:34.519
support is usually you know, shielding
someone everyone's kind of playing their class.

531
00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:37.440
Yeah, I'm finding people, Like
the first night it was miserable predictably,

532
00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:41.319
you know, like it's like trappers
missing the Monster and like healers not healing,

533
00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:44.680
like tot'll end up going like,
you know, because the game will

534
00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:48.519
naturally weed out people that don't like
to play that way because they why would

535
00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:52.480
they keep playing it? Right,
So maybe it ends up self correcting it.

536
00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:53.480
Yeah, I got I got on
a couple of teams yesterday when like,

537
00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:59.599
yeah, everybody's doing their thing,
but even still fucking Monster. Like

538
00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:01.559
I I have had multiple experiences like
the first time I played the Monster,

539
00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:05.559
I had like ignored the tutorial,
like barely knew what I was doing.

540
00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:08.400
Got fucking worked before I even hit
level two, Like I was down to

541
00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:13.440
like a third health or less.
Yeah, and then I just evaded them

542
00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:15.079
long enough to hit level three and
came back and just romped them, you

543
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:21.000
know, Like it it feels like
I don't know the skills of the barrier

544
00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:22.759
to entry basically is so much lower
playing the Monster, and like it has

545
00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:25.559
to be to some extent because you're
playing alone one versus four, It's it's

546
00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:28.960
all on you. So I just
wondered, like, you know, if

547
00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:31.319
you're having these pickup groups that are
going okay, but I wonder if they

548
00:32:31.359 --> 00:32:35.400
were actually tight, if they would
be going way better. Yeah, it's

549
00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:38.200
possible, I'd imagine. And again
I haven't really played anything like that outside

550
00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:42.920
of the Quick Look and of course
different circumstances there. So I gotta prefer

551
00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:45.279
it that way though, because that
way, like killing the monster is in

552
00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:47.200
actual achievement. Yeah, you know, it's like actually hard to do.

553
00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:50.519
Yeah, I mean, it feels
good whenever you win as the hunter,

554
00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:52.599
for sure, it is. But
if if you need, if you should

555
00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:54.839
have to get like a group that
you know together to pull that off.

556
00:32:55.000 --> 00:33:00.160
Like that's kind of a an imposing
proposition for a lot of people. To

557
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:05.240
rad pointed out, I spent a
little time with the Evolved iOS that it's

558
00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:08.400
a match three puzzle game like puzzle
Quest from the makers of w W E

559
00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:13.960
Supercar. Wait, it's really same
studio, did it? Oh wow?

560
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:19.480
Okay? Had daddy? Yeah daddy. But like there's these there are points

561
00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:22.319
in there where you're supposed to be
able to unlock things in main Evolve,

562
00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:27.319
the main game from that app,
and it's like you you bought some of

563
00:33:27.319 --> 00:33:30.279
them and I bought someone it's like
progress towards getting two percent accuracy. Like

564
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:35.480
it's yeah, it's it's very unclear
as to what the actual benefit is from

565
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:39.519
playing that rather poor iOS game.
How do you fuck that up? That

566
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:42.599
thing is? Don't don't forget that? Think is you? You sucked that

567
00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:45.519
up by like everyone, Like there
are a zillion puzzle quests knockoffs these days.

568
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:49.160
The bar has been raised. Uh, and this game, you know,

569
00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:52.119
it's like you have your four abilities
or four sets of abilities because you

570
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:57.720
have the four characters. But the
balance of it seems to be shifted in

571
00:33:57.799 --> 00:34:00.640
favor of like, well, we
would like it if people paid some real

572
00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:02.519
money to buy boosts, because that
thing is I think is rotten with free

573
00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:07.159
play micro transaction type stuff. Yeah, so it seems like it is pushed

574
00:34:07.199 --> 00:34:10.440
in that direction, like you should
pay ninety nine cents right now to restore

575
00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:14.480
everybody to full health. Okay,
no stuff like that. No, I

576
00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:17.320
don't I'm making that up. But
it's similar. It's the spirit of it

577
00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:21.480
that's not. I'm not willing to
do that. Not for like a companion

578
00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:23.960
app. The companion app should be
the sort of thing that shouldn't have any

579
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:27.760
of that shit in it, because
it should be a free thing that is

580
00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:31.360
like, hey, you're gonna get
some benefit and please buy our main game.

581
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:35.880
It should be like the thank you
for buying our sixty dollars product.

582
00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:38.280
Here's something you can use to level
up a little more quickly. Or you

583
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:42.760
could be playing this because we shipped
it two weeks before the main game to

584
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:45.920
get a leg up on the competition
of oh god, please pre order our

585
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:50.519
game today. Like it should be
a marketing thing, not a not a

586
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:53.840
like a cost like a like a
revenue generator into itself. I think it's

587
00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:59.320
super crass in a game, in
a game that people have been like like

588
00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:04.400
widely targeting as being super crass with
it's it's additional content. I'm I'm I'm

589
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:06.239
of two minds on that stuff.
If you guys kept up with that,

590
00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:09.480
just the yeah, the huge hubbub
around. I went and looked at what

591
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:13.559
they're actually selling. It doesn't that
much different than a fighting game. So

592
00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:17.000
there's the season pass which gets you
like more, which is actually it's actually

593
00:35:17.079 --> 00:35:21.400
more characters, yeah, gameplay stuff. Yeah, which that's fine, Like

594
00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:22.800
I said, fighting games sell characters. After the fact, all the time.

595
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:25.480
It's not perfect. But like the
big headline that generated all the outrage

596
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:29.480
last week was like like, oh, we've all just like like a big

597
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:32.000
deluxe edition doesn't get you this one
hundred and thirty dollars a DEALC or whatever.

598
00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:34.719
It was like, it was like, here's all this DEALC that you

599
00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:37.519
have to pay for on no matter
what, and it's all like weapons skins

600
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:42.960
and monster skins and stuff like that
stuff is cosmetics, cosmetic stuff, which

601
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:45.719
is insane. But like, on
the other hand, if you want to

602
00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:50.320
make the argument that Base Evolved does
not have enough monsters and enough hunters in

603
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:52.719
it, like, I'll totally listen
to that argument. The other part of

604
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:54.440
their argument is they say that all
the maps will always be free. Yes,

605
00:35:54.519 --> 00:35:59.039
there is that, which I guess
that's something we don't know how many

606
00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:00.199
maps they intend to make, so
that could be jack shit. I mean,

607
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:04.360
I'm looking at in the game and
it's not like hurting from maps out

608
00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:07.280
of the gate from what I saw, yea, and it seems like it

609
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:07.639
has enough care. I don't.
I don't know, I don't. I

610
00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:10.840
don't like it enough to care about
any of this. Well, I kind

611
00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:14.239
of I think there's something there.
It's kind of fun, I think,

612
00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:16.880
But at the same time, like
you know, when you say, like

613
00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:20.360
here's one hundred dollars edition of the
game which they add on Steam, like

614
00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:22.960
the Monster Pack or whatever that was, like it was even more than plus

615
00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:25.599
season past. It was ninety nine. Didn't they have like one hundred and

616
00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:28.559
forty or one hundred and thirty dollars
one? I thought they had like the

617
00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:31.000
PC Monster Race one maybe that was
that was one hundred dollar one. I

618
00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:37.280
think for pre order. Understandably,
we've all lost track of all the faund

619
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:40.079
there's a spreadsheet going around. I
believe it. I believe it. Yeah,

620
00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:43.880
And it's you know, like I
don't know, man, Like it's

621
00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:46.519
it's frustrating that this stuff happens.
At the same time, like if they

622
00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:50.840
want to sell a bunch of dumb
cosmetic shit like go for it, who

623
00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:53.280
fucking cares? Like we need to
get to a point where people stop feeling

624
00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:57.079
like they need to own one hundred
percent of everything for a game unless they

625
00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:00.679
really really really like it. Yeah, and then in that case, maybe

626
00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:04.079
spend the money if you really like
it. I don't know, but fucking

627
00:37:04.159 --> 00:37:06.519
skins, who gives us Yeah,
but where where I do have a concern

628
00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:08.960
just you know, look at what
they look at what they put on the

629
00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:13.159
disc. It's it's twelve Hunters and
three monsters, right, and you get

630
00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:15.440
one monster and four Hunters out of
the gate, and it takes fucking forever

631
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:19.719
to get to any more of that
stuff, Like you have to play a

632
00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:22.519
ton of matches right with the assault
guy to get the next assault guy.

633
00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:24.880
It's like, you ship this game, and when you think that's a good

634
00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:29.360
thing or a bad thing, it
seems like the ramp is so slow that

635
00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:32.440
you could argue that like it makes
the you know, if they had an

636
00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:36.679
ability to unlock some of that stuff, like people wouldn't potentially pay it.

637
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:39.239
That's that's the concern though. Did
they artificially inflate the amount of time it

638
00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:42.960
takes to get the new stuff to
make it feel like the game has more

639
00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:45.280
value? What I'm saying, I
mean they they control all those numbers,

640
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:49.679
like they ship. They shipped a
game and locked two thirds of the gameplay

641
00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:54.039
variety behind this insanely slow progression.
Yeah. I don't think that has anything

642
00:37:54.079 --> 00:37:58.920
to do with the the DLC or
the payment options per se. I just

643
00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:01.519
think that's a bad choice to me. I think that's that's poor design.

644
00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:04.760
I don't know. To me cynically, I look at that and go like,

645
00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:07.519
well, they thought maybe the amount
of content here was questionable, so

646
00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:09.960
they've artificially extended out how long you'll
be playing the game to get to the

647
00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:13.559
later stuff. But I didn't think
that's more likely to lead to a case

648
00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:15.360
where the people that are on the
fence about that sort of thing would just

649
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:21.079
stop. I think I would play
it less if it was a quick ramp

650
00:38:21.159 --> 00:38:23.039
to unlock everything, because it is
a fairly slow ramp. But I really

651
00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:27.119
like unlocking those new hunters. So
when I see that, like, oh,

652
00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:29.800
I need to start using my Arc
Minds more to unlock the next assault

653
00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:30.760
guy or whatever. You know,
I really want to get to last Verus.

654
00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:34.320
I like seeing that progress, you
know. I at the end of

655
00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:36.519
every match, I like seeing how
close I'm getting to the next one.

656
00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:38.920
And if it all unlocked real quick, I don't know if i'd feel pressured

657
00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:42.960
to play it seems like maybe,
like that's a weird way because you have

658
00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:45.440
to level up every single one of
your weapons to watch the next guy.

659
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:49.519
Fucking Arc Minds suck, Yeah,
the idea that you would have to go

660
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:52.320
in and try to use them as
much as possible to level them up,

661
00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:54.280
which seems at some point like to
be a detriment to your team. I

662
00:38:54.880 --> 00:38:58.320
can't you know, maybe I haven't
played enough to like speak to the balance

663
00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:00.480
that say that that that for certain, But in my experience, the arc

664
00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:04.559
minds have not been my first choice
of weapons, or even even if they're

665
00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:07.400
useful, like maybe you just don't
like using them, you know, yeah,

666
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:09.039
like like having to use all the
abilities when some of them may not

667
00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:13.400
be. Really just that call of
duty thing where you know, there was

668
00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:15.679
a while there that like it got
to like, well you have these weapon

669
00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:17.440
challenges to unlock this stuff, and
like, okay, well now I need

670
00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:20.960
one hundred pistol kills, so I'm
gonna go into every game with this pistol

671
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:22.039
and even though it's not the best
way to play, I need to get

672
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:25.079
this stuff. That's why they don't
have multiplayer achievements and Call of duty games,

673
00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:30.039
because it encourages people to do dumb
shit and and not play well.

674
00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:35.199
So, you know, like it's
it's sort of that's somewhat related. I

675
00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:37.519
guess I would say I don't know, have you unlocked it in your characters?

676
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:39.199
Yeah? Which ones do you have? I've got as far as the

677
00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:43.360
monsters, I've got the crack in
and then I've got Lazarus on the medic

678
00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:46.239
I've got the second assault guy.
I think his name is Markover maybe that's

679
00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:52.599
the first. I've got the second
assau Yes, yes, I have that

680
00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:57.719
guy. And I'm about to unlock
the robot guy on the support or I

681
00:39:57.800 --> 00:40:00.480
think it's Support. But yeah,
there's the robot game guy named Buster announcer

682
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:02.880
or something. I do love,
like the intro to the game, just

683
00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:07.400
this fucking motley crew of like like
here's every walking cliche we can think of

684
00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:10.119
the stuff into the space ship.
You know, it's like like here's your

685
00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:14.719
Australian big game hunter with the handlebar
or like you know, walrus mustache.

686
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:19.079
Like here's your crazy Piro guy that
just wants to burn everything. Like somebody's

687
00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:21.280
got a cigar. I'm sure somebody
has a cigar, you know. Like

688
00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:23.159
that was fun. Actually that was
fun. But you have to pay a

689
00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:28.239
two ninety nine to get the right
I mean yeah, I don't know.

690
00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:30.199
Like the DALC conversation has been going
on for as long as there's been DLC

691
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:32.199
at some point, at some point, like you have to look at it,

692
00:40:32.440 --> 00:40:35.800
well, I don't know. I
look at it as an extension of

693
00:40:36.440 --> 00:40:39.639
expansions for PC games when they would
sell these forty dollars add ons that we're

694
00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:44.039
often not worth the money. Sure, at least now it's piecemeal in a

695
00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:45.840
way that like, you can get
the things you might actually want to use

696
00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:49.719
instead of being forced to take on
all this shit. But you know,

697
00:40:49.760 --> 00:40:52.480
the littus test for DLC has always
been are you happy with what's exactly in

698
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:57.039
the base package? And in this
case, I can't say, because two

699
00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:00.159
thirds of it I can't play right
now, you know, right, Like

700
00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:02.480
I the default assault guy seems cool, but I would love to try the

701
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:06.599
other two and see which one I
like the best. But I'll probably never

702
00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:08.239
see the third one. But hey, when they eventually release one more,

703
00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:12.920
you could just pay to get that
phone. And maybe it is kind of

704
00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:15.119
sleazy. Yeah, it's I don't
know, I don't, I don't.

705
00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:17.679
I don't love the way that strut
that game top the bottom just seems really

706
00:41:17.719 --> 00:41:21.239
awkward and off to me. Kind
of a shame because the base game,

707
00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:23.920
like the core concept, is kind
of cool. Yeah, it's maybe it's

708
00:41:23.960 --> 00:41:28.840
been fun. Maybe it doesn't work
as a sixty dollars concept. I don't

709
00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:32.920
know, it's it's a weird thing. It is. Indeed, you don't

710
00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:37.679
understand it esports. Yeah, that's
right, Yeah, that's the fun.

711
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:40.599
Maybe you should listen to a few
more shout casts and then you'll please Man,

712
00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:46.039
we're open source around here. It's
ice cast all day long. Yeah,

713
00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:50.360
Like their attempts to try to like
promote this thing as if it were

714
00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:52.000
some kind of esports thing before it's
even out. Are they still doing that

715
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:53.840
though, Like they were doing that, they might have backed away. They

716
00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:57.360
were hitting that pretty hard. I
don't actually know it packs a while back.

717
00:41:57.440 --> 00:41:59.920
Yeah, they like announcers announcing it
golf matches or something, right,

718
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:02.480
that's fucking dumb. Yeah. My
feeling on that stuff has always been like,

719
00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:05.599
you know, let the community decide
if this is going to be a

720
00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:08.400
viable esport. Like do your work
obviously, like you know, make sure

721
00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:14.199
you're making a balanced game and that
everyone benefits from that, the casual players

722
00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:17.159
to the people they would be pros. You know, Like at some point

723
00:42:17.239 --> 00:42:21.000
though, it becomes a matter of
like are you going to devote resources to

724
00:42:21.199 --> 00:42:24.880
like a spectator camera that's good,
or a announcer position sort of thing that

725
00:42:24.920 --> 00:42:29.440
can connect to a game. Just
just scope that out and do it later.

726
00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:31.199
If your game takes off, like
don't when you launch with all of

727
00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:35.599
it, your game looks fucking needy
and set. Yes, that's an incredibly

728
00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:37.800
discerning audience and they will get turned
off super quickly if you're trying to shove

729
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:40.760
it down their throats. Uh you
know, kind of have to let them

730
00:42:40.840 --> 00:42:46.920
decide. Yeah, uh so you're
gonna keep playing Evolved Dan here and there,

731
00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:52.159
you're not super I like the game. I've enjoyed my time playing it,

732
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:54.079
but yeah, it's not gonna be
every night thing if you if you

733
00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:57.239
want to group up, I would, like I said, outside of the

734
00:42:57.320 --> 00:42:59.760
quick look, I have played it, like like you said, only played

735
00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:01.280
it with Andos, So yeah,
we should try to do someday when you

736
00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:04.119
know people that we know that have
it. And yeah, I get a

737
00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:07.320
game. I feel like I feel
like we should give it its due in

738
00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:09.039
a weird way. It's like I
should play this the way it's supposed to

739
00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:12.800
be played at least a couple of
times. Yeah, yeah, I got

740
00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:15.639
that out of a quick look yeah, and then you know, like hear

741
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:19.719
and Mary talk about it a little
bit, and she was talking about like

742
00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:22.760
how they seem to be making a
whole lot of videos for it over a

743
00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:24.159
game spot because that's they you know, it's a big release, that's what

744
00:43:24.199 --> 00:43:28.960
they do. It sounded like they
were maybe getting a little a little done

745
00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:30.119
with it. We'll burn out.
Yeah, yeah. Even looking at a

746
00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:32.039
pre release, I was like,
I don't know if this is gonna have

747
00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:37.559
legs beyond a month or two,
but we will see. Outside of that,

748
00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:40.039
I can't talk about details yet,
but I beat the new Kirby on

749
00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:44.360
We You. That'll be on next
week's podcast. I'm talking about that.

750
00:43:44.360 --> 00:43:47.800
We'll have a technical knockout or oh, oh, there you go, Drew.

751
00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:51.639
He you see that segue he did
there? Hey, oh that's that's

752
00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:54.000
a poorly time segue because we have
to take a break right. Oh boom,

753
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:31.599
damn we're back. Hey Brad,
Hi, Hi, Hello, how's

754
00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:35.519
it gone? It's going? What
are you doing? I don't know sitting

755
00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:37.400
here in a while, since we're
Jatt sitting here behind this all this equipment,

756
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:42.760
much flashing lights, feel so it's
intimidating. All that horsepower between your

757
00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:46.679
legs. Dell PC spread this thing
up running Windows seven red line. This

758
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:50.679
mother just about on five. Wait, no, this thing's running XP because

759
00:44:50.679 --> 00:44:53.000
it still running XP. Yeah,
what was the deal? The Vintage,

760
00:44:53.119 --> 00:44:57.400
Like the control surface for the tri
caster doesn't work on anything about caster.

761
00:44:57.480 --> 00:45:00.440
It's the main mixer, the sir. Yeah, yeah, so we're stuck

762
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:05.599
on XP here. It's a good
operating system. Still churning with Audacity.

763
00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:09.760
Yeah, well, I mean so
Adobe Auditions installed. I got my workflow.

764
00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:16.519
Yeah it works well enough. Audacity's
only crashed once since since I've been

765
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:21.840
doing this. Okay, Uh so
we'll yeah, we'll check out the new

766
00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:22.960
Kirby game at the end of the
week. Yes, like you said,

767
00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:25.840
quick look. Yeah, we'll have
a review up tomorrow and have a quick

768
00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:30.000
look tomorrow the next day, you
know, right soon, And then you

769
00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:32.920
beat Tyson on your first day.
It's done as predicted. Who predicted that?

770
00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:36.880
Me? You did? Yeah?
I think you just said what would

771
00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:37.559
you do if you beat him?
Yeah? But dude, I knew what

772
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:39.960
was going to happen. Predicting.
Yeah, but you have been trying to

773
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:45.760
beat that guy on a shitty HDTV
while drinking in a bar. I've also

774
00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:50.039
tried it while sober on an HDTV, so you know, remove the latency

775
00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:52.159
issue and sobered you up. I
don't, I really, And I had

776
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:54.960
a feeling that it was just gonna
happen. I felt like even with the

777
00:45:55.000 --> 00:46:00.519
CRT thing, it felt like I
still had as much trouble reacting to Tyson's

778
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:05.119
uppercuts. I mean, it's if
it's a change, it is a minute,

779
00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:07.960
little change. But yeah, I
guess you can't argue that I've spent

780
00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:10.079
you know, years trying to beat
this and then I do on the first

781
00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:13.199
try when I do it here or
two like, yeah, it is literally

782
00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:15.400
a menute change. We're talking about
frames, we're working on milli seconds here.

783
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:17.719
It's well, the real tests,
Tyson, that's what matters. That

784
00:46:19.039 --> 00:46:21.760
is, I guess every frame matters. The real test will be when I

785
00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:23.480
go to soda Popenski's and I try
to get that free bottle of champagne and

786
00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:27.320
get my picture up on the wall. That's a bar. That is a

787
00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:31.079
bar that yeah, it's named after
Popenski from Why are they still allowed to

788
00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:36.280
go under that name? Why isn't
Nintendo stepped in? And because they weren't

789
00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:38.880
aware yet, But you know,
Dan's continuing his streak of destroying businesses and

790
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:45.159
other other fly by night operations,
which Flam has only gotten bigger by outing

791
00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:47.199
them on the internet. I brought
up Soda Popenski's on my first BombCast and

792
00:46:47.320 --> 00:46:51.320
it they're still doing well. Side, I have an un good authority that

793
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:54.039
employees of Nintano of America listen to
this podcast, so dear, oh my

794
00:46:54.079 --> 00:46:58.320
goodness. Well, yeah, the
authorities maybe need be on their way.

795
00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:00.280
That bar that has nothing to do
with punch, Yeah, yeah, you

796
00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:04.599
can still do that. I got
any has public exhibition of a video game

797
00:47:04.679 --> 00:47:07.320
That sounds like a crime to me. That's a rebroadcast NFL events, you

798
00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:10.440
know. Yeah, they better hope
they don't upload YouTube clips of those video

799
00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:15.000
games over there. They're super fucked. Also, it doesn't offering a prize

800
00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:19.320
make it a contest by Yeah,
it's like gambling and a contest by by

801
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:22.719
us. Watch. I guess I've
also talked bars into showing wit or Eat

802
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:25.480
pay per views. Uh, that's
probably legal to right, but we did

803
00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:28.679
the room. I don't even know
if she's talking about Oh I don't either.

804
00:47:28.719 --> 00:47:30.239
I mean back before I work,
Yeah, back in Kansas. If

805
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:32.559
Nintendo comes down on them. They
should just change their name. The vodka

806
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:38.360
drink nskis Yeah that's also. Yeah, there you go. But yeah,

807
00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:42.119
I'm gonna try to do it there
sometimes in the near future because free bottle

808
00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:45.360
champagne. Oh why champagne though,
because that's celebratory thing. Well it is,

809
00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:51.679
but nobody because then you can shout
I'm the shamp champ and then pop

810
00:47:51.800 --> 00:47:53.840
the bottle and pour it over your
fucking head. Okay, yeah, all

811
00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:58.280
right, only if you open it
with a sword though, yeah, saber

812
00:47:58.360 --> 00:48:00.119
it opened the weight of some kind
of can bottle on your head and go

813
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:04.760
I'm the best. But I've seen
pictures of that place, and nobody in

814
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:07.519
their right mind in a bar like
that would be drinking champagne. And prior

815
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:09.800
to doing this, I think this
is part of the uniqueness of that And

816
00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:12.920
I just really want my picture on
the wall there. Well, actually it

817
00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:15.599
already is because there are only three
pictures on the wall and I was there

818
00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:17.440
for the third one. So in
the background of the third one you see

819
00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:21.119
me sitting at a table. But
no, I want I want to be

820
00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:22.400
a front and center there. I
want that chance. So that's a real

821
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:24.559
honor. Oh ya, I should
be proud. I gotta have goals the

822
00:48:24.599 --> 00:48:29.559
background of that picture. So yeah, we'll see if I can do it

823
00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:32.000
on an HVTV. I think I've
got all the patterns down as much as

824
00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:35.679
you can with Tyson, and you
know you can do it. That's the

825
00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:37.000
thing. I think that was the
biggest monkey on my back is just being

826
00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:40.079
terrified of him for twenty five years. And now that I've done it,

827
00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:44.360
I think I might be able to
do it regularly. I can't believe you

828
00:48:44.440 --> 00:48:47.039
did it in one you and Jason, seriously for like over a week.

829
00:48:47.119 --> 00:48:49.920
You said a week, but no, I think it's been over week of

830
00:48:49.960 --> 00:48:52.960
you guys testing and trying to get
that set up. This is exactly how

831
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:57.440
I hope this would go down.
This is I hope it's just like go

832
00:48:57.519 --> 00:49:00.039
through all this set up this fucking
rig and roll like it's cut. I

833
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:07.639
think it's coming at first, ans
to one project onto a crt uh directly

834
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:10.519
and split that signal and go into
all our modern video equipment. Yeah,

835
00:49:10.519 --> 00:49:14.679
what did you do? What did
you do to split the thing? How

836
00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:16.159
is how is the nes out putting? We'll start at the front of the

837
00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:19.400
chain. It goes you know what
I should just do a video about this.

838
00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:25.199
But like it's it's split out at
the source, so it's video signal

839
00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:31.519
comes out of the composite, video
splits out of the NES to the TV

840
00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:37.480
and then to our series of boxes. So Dan is not getting anything from

841
00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:43.280
our video equipment. It's just literally
a piece of metal splitting a video signal

842
00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:46.360
going into that. I forgot the
TVs used to have video out. Four

843
00:49:46.400 --> 00:49:51.679
Hollywood lawyers got a hold of.
Was that was that why that started?

844
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:55.760
Like most check that t most most
new TVs don't pass like any kind of

845
00:49:55.840 --> 00:50:00.800
decent video signal out because of piracy
stuff. Uh all right, yeah,

846
00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:04.159
I'd be curious to see that stuff. Yeah, yeah, I'll do it.

847
00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:07.880
I know something out of it,
even I got something out of it

848
00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:14.159
if nothing else. I mean,
that's honestly. I love this outcome.

849
00:50:14.440 --> 00:50:16.199
That was so much fun. That
was super fun. Well, the first

850
00:50:16.440 --> 00:50:21.280
fight I got within I got to
the round three and I got within like

851
00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:24.679
three to five punches of getting a
third knockout on him in one round.

852
00:50:24.920 --> 00:50:27.920
You think that was the best you
had done to date? Yeah, to

853
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:30.760
date? That first one I did
was the best run of tyson I had.

854
00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:32.840
And then I was just way too
jazz that I don't even started.

855
00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:35.599
Like, I was like, all
right, I need to check some audio,

856
00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:37.119
and then you played it for a
second, You're like, oh no,

857
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:37.920
I'm doing too good yet. Yeah, I try. I stopped.

858
00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:42.079
I took a dive because I couldn't
do it until we were filming. But

859
00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:44.519
yeah, and then I got I
just got like physically, like my body

860
00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:46.280
just felt like just electricity was going
through because I got so close, and

861
00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:49.800
so I was just way out of
it for the next like several fights.

862
00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:52.280
And then I got back on the
zone. And uh yeah that was a

863
00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:53.960
hell of a thing. Yeah.
Yeah, I'm still feeling real good.

864
00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:58.760
That'll be up on the site by
the this. Yeah, that's compressing right

865
00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:00.639
now, Premium members, nothing else. Now. We have a good setup,

866
00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:06.119
reliable set up to play old demanding
games on. So I'm gonna take

867
00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:07.519
that game, that all that stuff
home. That's my Nintendo. I'm taking

868
00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:10.559
it all home, plug other consoles
into it. Oh sure, Yeah.

869
00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:15.519
Yeah. We didn't want to do
the retron for this, just in case

870
00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:17.440
that kind of weirdness. Yeah,
yeah, I wanted to as real as

871
00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:22.079
it could have been. So well, congratulations, thank you. I'm feeling

872
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:27.639
real good, excellent, Uh,
Drew, yes, play anything. I

873
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:30.920
played that hot new release Halo two. Oh yeah, yeah, Alexis came

874
00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:35.280
over and we played the master Chief
Collection. Local co op. The work

875
00:51:35.480 --> 00:51:38.360
was functional. Yeah, uh,
I mean local co op. Yeah,

876
00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:42.599
local co op work. Hasn't it
looked like two years you guys stayed up

877
00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:45.440
whole night doing that. Yeah,
and you were itching to play it again.

878
00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:49.039
Yeah, you know, it looks
good. They did a great job,

879
00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:52.480
you know, right, I guess
Yeah, you guys hadn't gone through

880
00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:57.320
the whole thing with all the graphical
right improvements. Yeah, and they've those

881
00:51:57.400 --> 00:52:00.239
new cinematics list. Yeah, those
are some really nice CG cut scenes.

882
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:05.559
Yeah, so it all all worked
fine. Yes, there have been some

883
00:52:05.639 --> 00:52:08.360
scattered reports of the single player stuff
in in that game being iffy, but

884
00:52:08.559 --> 00:52:13.280
I've not tried it. Uh co
op across the internet, Yeah, I

885
00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:15.920
think in a lot of cases that
it was just campaign issues that were still

886
00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:20.840
related to some kind of okay,
but even like when you're back, when

887
00:52:20.840 --> 00:52:25.119
you're out in the menu, there's
no indication that there are two controllers plugged

888
00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:29.440
in, so we had to just
like hit start, And I think this

889
00:52:29.679 --> 00:52:34.480
is co op and just like hope
it's like that, UIs. It's it's

890
00:52:34.519 --> 00:52:40.000
not just the matchmaking stuff, it's
the whole interface is just bad in the

891
00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:44.400
game. Or is that more of
the falls of the console. It's the

892
00:52:44.480 --> 00:52:47.400
game? Okay, uh, it's
yeah. You know you have like on

893
00:52:47.599 --> 00:52:51.400
the right side. It's like,
here's where everyone would be if they were

894
00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:53.360
in your party. But sometimes I
show up, sometimes they don't. I

895
00:52:53.360 --> 00:52:58.360
don't know. I haven't tried online
in a long time, but I haven't

896
00:52:58.360 --> 00:53:00.960
heard great things. Well, get
to that in the emails. Oh great,

897
00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:07.159
cool. I hadn't talked anybody that
had played through that entire redone campaign

898
00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:08.639
yet, I've played through the entire
thing. We got to I think we

899
00:53:08.719 --> 00:53:14.280
got some new mumbassa all right,
but yeah, it's it's great. I

900
00:53:14.679 --> 00:53:19.079
love that. I love that first
part of Halo two. Yeah, with

901
00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:21.639
the kind of the what is it
with the arbiter going on trial and all

902
00:53:21.639 --> 00:53:23.519
that stuff? Oh actually, yeah, we got to the first arbiter level

903
00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:30.199
and then stopped. I've seen was
it Halo tooth people were complaining about basically

904
00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:32.480
the insertion of load screens. You
know what I'm talking about, was that

905
00:53:32.559 --> 00:53:37.920
the one that was designed basically to
never hit a load, m or am

906
00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:43.679
I mixing up my halos? I
think you're right, because I think the

907
00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:47.079
cut scenes were supposed to be to
cover up the loads. Halo one certainly

908
00:53:47.119 --> 00:53:52.360
had loads. Yeah, I can't
remember if we I was just wondering if

909
00:53:52.360 --> 00:53:55.480
that bothered you as a purist.
It bothered me because the load times were

910
00:53:55.559 --> 00:54:00.480
long and they were along Like Alexis
even commented he doesn't have an Xbox One,

911
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:01.840
and I was like, yep,
this is pretty much part for the

912
00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:06.840
course for the Xbox A lot along
load times. It has a lot of

913
00:54:06.920 --> 00:54:08.480
rammed to fill. Yeah, and
that thing I don't know, man,

914
00:54:08.639 --> 00:54:15.400
all right, so I had to
I had to clear space on multiple PlayStation

915
00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:19.719
befores this week. Yep. Speaking
of loading things on the drives and stuff,

916
00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:22.840
go get that there, go get
that too, terabyte man, free

917
00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:27.639
yourself. Is it as easy to
switch it? Yeah? That's full?

918
00:54:27.719 --> 00:54:30.960
Oh wow? Is it as easy? Because I swapped out hard drives on

919
00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:36.239
PS three and that was surprisingly really
somewhat easier. Four, it's not.

920
00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:38.000
It's very easy. Oh wow,
that plastic case just comes right off.

921
00:54:38.039 --> 00:54:40.800
It's a user accessible screw you just
fucking go And do you still just have

922
00:54:40.920 --> 00:54:44.760
to buy like a normal laptop as
long as it's like good. There are

923
00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:47.599
so I guess there are different sizes
of laptop drives that vary by like a

924
00:54:47.639 --> 00:54:52.440
few millimeters, and like I guess
the biggest laptop drive won't fit in there,

925
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:54.079
but most of them will. Okay, if I wanted to get like

926
00:54:54.119 --> 00:54:58.239
a two terabyte, I'll just I
can show you the one that I got.

927
00:54:58.559 --> 00:55:00.360
Yeah, I mean, are they
cheap? Though at this point I

928
00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:02.480
assume getting like two terabytes than that
bad ninety bucks. It's nothing, all

929
00:55:02.559 --> 00:55:07.920
right, yeah, all right?
Yeah. And then the big chunk of

930
00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:13.039
my weekend was spent sitting on a
on a porch watching a lady with a

931
00:55:13.079 --> 00:55:16.320
dog walk by. Dog pooped on
the sidewalk and she didn't pick it up.

932
00:55:16.840 --> 00:55:21.440
So then for about four hours we
just watched and see if people are

933
00:55:21.880 --> 00:55:24.800
stepped in the dog poop. That's
yeah, that's really fun to big old

934
00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:30.000
pack of Madelo and had myself a
time. She said, a big portion

935
00:55:30.079 --> 00:55:32.760
of your weekend was devoted to this, and I was sitting here thinking what

936
00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:38.039
the fuck? And then it all
made sense. Yeah, and well,

937
00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:45.519
so I think what we hypothesized was
it was such a large amount that it

938
00:55:45.800 --> 00:55:49.960
was like popping up in the people's
peripheral vision, so they would see it

939
00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:52.440
and avoid it. But you should
have gotten out there cut it into chunk

940
00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:57.920
spread That happened on its own because
it got kicked, Okay, so then

941
00:55:57.960 --> 00:56:00.119
it kind of gets spread out a
little more. Uh. And then once

942
00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:05.719
that happened a couple of times,
then we got some serious steppage. Nice

943
00:56:05.960 --> 00:56:07.599
Drew. You want to know the
best possible place to do that? What's

944
00:56:07.639 --> 00:56:10.800
that Bourbon Street in New Orleans?
Because I believe I told the story on

945
00:56:10.800 --> 00:56:15.000
the power Bomb cast because I was
down there for Rustlemania last year. And

946
00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:16.679
there's a lot of drunk people in
New Orleans, and there's also a lot

947
00:56:16.760 --> 00:56:22.199
of horses. Cops ride horses,
and horses poop a lot, and sometimes

948
00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:28.519
right there on Bourbon Street, and
it's we spent numerous hours just leaning against

949
00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:31.079
the bar, drinking hurricanes and waiting
for people to step in the horsepoop.

950
00:56:31.360 --> 00:56:37.400
Horse Poop's weird, man, there's
a lot. Yeah. I put a

951
00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:40.840
video on my YouTube thing of de
Wu superstar Drew McIntyre and his date coming

952
00:56:40.920 --> 00:56:44.280
real close stepping on that horsepoop,
and that would have been real funny.

953
00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:47.360
But it's a good time. I
saw a girl angrily throw her beer at

954
00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:51.159
the poop, and she almost stepped
in it. She stepped over it,

955
00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:52.760
and we all like you know,
yelled like oh you know, and she

956
00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:55.920
turned around and was so disgusted by
the giant thing of poop she just threw

957
00:56:57.000 --> 00:57:00.440
her full beer onto the poop.
I've never seen anyone throw beer at poop.

958
00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:02.960
Then you run the risk of then
you run the risk of splashback with

959
00:57:04.199 --> 00:57:07.440
poop infused beer. No, no, she she was a good like three

960
00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:09.559
or four feet away. I think
she was saying, what kind of dog

961
00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:15.320
were we talking here? I don't
know, big dog big. It's a

962
00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:17.440
lot of poop, Yeah, it
was. It was a lot. I

963
00:57:17.559 --> 00:57:21.719
should have run out there at some
point and replaced the poop with a sausage

964
00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:27.760
Mad magazine style, or like anybody
the rubber one, like the little curl

965
00:57:27.880 --> 00:57:31.199
up. Yes, y'all got fake
poop. That always weirded me out because

966
00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:37.239
it's like you look at it and
you're like, sausage is tasty, poop

967
00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:40.480
is not. I'm so I'm so
conflicted. I don't know what. Yep,

968
00:57:42.360 --> 00:57:44.639
that was Mad Magazine, right,
I'm not making this up. I

969
00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:46.840
think it was Mad magazine. Are
you sure the Cracked? I'd swear it

970
00:57:46.920 --> 00:57:51.079
was Mad that like every time there
was poop involved in an illustration, they

971
00:57:51.800 --> 00:57:54.960
just had a giant sausage link instead. Am I making this? Subscribe to

972
00:57:55.039 --> 00:57:59.039
Mad for like twelve years. Maybe
it wasn't what you're talking about. Maybe

973
00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:01.199
it wasn't. I don't know.
I didn't National Lampoon, I didn't read

974
00:58:01.239 --> 00:58:05.239
Cracked. I didn't read National Lampoons. I had Cracked like Mad and Cracked

975
00:58:05.239 --> 00:58:07.360
when I was kid. I didn't
subscribe to Cracked, but I would pick

976
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:09.000
up Cracked from time to time.
See Vester P. Smith was an all

977
00:58:09.079 --> 00:58:12.920
right guy, really, the janitor. I always just assumed he was a

978
00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:15.559
poor man's Oh yeah, I mean
he was. I guess that was the

979
00:58:15.559 --> 00:58:20.119
point. Yes, Cracked was definitely
the poor man's Mad. Even when Dave

980
00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:22.039
Burg jumped fucking ship from one to
the other, You're like, mana,

981
00:58:22.320 --> 00:58:25.440
did that really happen? Crack didn't
have the fold ends at the end of

982
00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:30.440
the issues exactly. The weirdest thing
about Mad for me was that I'd never

983
00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:32.760
bought it. My cousin, who
was a good bit older than me,

984
00:58:32.920 --> 00:58:36.440
had a bunch of old issues.
Those are the good ones. So yeah,

985
00:58:36.440 --> 00:58:38.159
so I was reading like Mad from
the seventies, like Mad from before

986
00:58:38.199 --> 00:58:43.119
your time is crazy because like all
the political jokes, all the political shit

987
00:58:43.239 --> 00:58:45.559
just went completely over my head because
I had no idea what they were talking

988
00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:47.079
about. Yeah, what was the
demographic for that? Because I remember being

989
00:58:47.159 --> 00:58:52.599
like eight and nine and reading Mad
magazine and getting like Ducacus jokes and stuff,

990
00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:53.760
and like, I guess I gotta
figure out who this guy is,

991
00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:59.119
Like is it four teenagers or people
old enough to follow politics? Like it

992
00:58:59.199 --> 00:59:01.239
seems like it's so ju ni to
you, buddy, Yeah, it is

993
00:59:01.320 --> 00:59:07.400
fair. It is fairly driven on
to eighty Okay, I don't know.

994
00:59:07.480 --> 00:59:12.199
I feel like I learned a lot
about politics and stuff by virtue of it.

995
00:59:12.719 --> 00:59:15.280
Yeah, Mad certainly commenting on it. Yeah. Yeah, I think

996
00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:17.440
between like Mad and Letterman and Conan, that's like, as a child,

997
00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:21.719
that's all I know about politics,
just through those you're really Mad in the

998
00:59:21.840 --> 00:59:25.000
nineties. Yeah, I probably read
Mad from like nineteen ninety to two thousand

999
00:59:25.079 --> 00:59:29.320
maybe, and crack, I bet
that was really fucking rough. I was

1000
00:59:29.320 --> 00:59:30.320
a kid. I don't know.
Yeah, fair enough rough all Like did

1001
00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:34.119
just did the quality go down the
hill. Yeah, look like because I

1002
00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:37.599
I ended up. I was.
I was reading Mad in like eighty four

1003
00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:38.559
and stuff like, yeah, I
was. I was. That's about when

1004
00:59:38.559 --> 00:59:42.519
I was like they were putting pac
Man on the cover and shit. Uh

1005
00:59:42.639 --> 00:59:49.239
And it got real fucking terrible near
the end of the eighties. But again,

1006
00:59:49.280 --> 00:59:52.159
you were getting older. Yeah,
that's that's true. Like it was,

1007
00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:53.800
but it was definitely like it was
one of those cases where like my

1008
00:59:53.960 --> 00:59:59.039
grandmother was getting me a subscription to
Mad every year, and I probably got

1009
00:59:59.119 --> 01:00:00.000
it into the nineties, and I
think about it, I was like in

1010
01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:01.760
high school at that point. I
was like, I'm just I mean,

1011
01:00:01.760 --> 01:00:04.960
I'm still reading these things, but
I'm just knocking them out in like two

1012
01:00:05.000 --> 01:00:07.320
minutes, and it's gonna like this
is tur you know, maybe when you

1013
01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:09.760
ask who what's the demographic from Mad
magazine, maybe it's like kids, it's

1014
01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:13.679
eight or eighty. Yeah, right, it's one or the other. Like

1015
01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:15.320
you turn twelve and you age out
of it. But yeah, like my

1016
01:00:15.559 --> 01:00:19.920
grandmother and you know, just by
having kids that were older than I was,

1017
01:00:20.039 --> 01:00:22.920
like, yeah, there were a
ton of like sixties, seventies or

1018
01:00:22.079 --> 01:00:28.559
just early fucking issues of Mad,
and like the trade paperbacks and stuff they

1019
01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:30.599
would do as well, like a
lot of those the super special editions or

1020
01:00:30.599 --> 01:00:32.880
whatever in the books. Yeah,
the books, the books. And I'm

1021
01:00:34.239 --> 01:00:38.400
trying to remember. I think my
first issue was like the Michael Keaton Batman,

1022
01:00:39.000 --> 01:00:42.559
like the first one, which that
confuses me because I was born in

1023
01:00:42.639 --> 01:00:45.000
eighty four and the movie was like, what eighty nine? It was like

1024
01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:47.599
fucking five years old reading Mad Maggots
sounds about Ryan Okay, yeah, I

1025
01:00:47.599 --> 01:00:51.599
remember liking a lot at five.
Yeah, yeah, like I definitely I

1026
01:00:51.679 --> 01:00:54.400
distinctly remember doing most of my Mad
Magazine reading on the floor. Yeah,

1027
01:00:54.519 --> 01:00:58.000
so yeah, high terrors. That
sounds about right. Well, maybe not

1028
01:00:58.119 --> 01:01:02.679
that young. Yeah, getting my
diaper change. They're still making what right?

1029
01:01:02.679 --> 01:01:06.639
I wanted to see what Mad Magazine
in twenty fifteen monthly anymore? Because

1030
01:01:06.679 --> 01:01:08.800
not ACTI like a set number of
like really issues per years. Last time

1031
01:01:08.840 --> 01:01:10.880
I was looking at it, it
was like eight issues a year or something

1032
01:01:10.920 --> 01:01:14.440
like that. Press. I'm not
really sure where it's at these It was

1033
01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:19.119
the was the founder of the thing, William Gaines kicked off a while yeah,

1034
01:01:19.159 --> 01:01:23.159
a while ago, yeah, yeah, like a spot stuff yeah five

1035
01:01:23.239 --> 01:01:28.599
versus remember being really excited when Mad
TV was Yeah, that's right, and

1036
01:01:28.960 --> 01:01:34.639
really unexcited watched it. It was
like, man, this is like the

1037
01:01:34.679 --> 01:01:38.480
Mad magazine. Integration is shaky at
best. Yeah, the company is a

1038
01:01:38.599 --> 01:01:43.239
rung below. Remember the first episode
was like Gump fiction and it was Forrest

1039
01:01:43.280 --> 01:01:45.480
Gutt mixed with pulp fiction, which
I should have been the right age.

1040
01:01:45.480 --> 01:01:49.440
I was like nine or ten when
that started, and even I thought it

1041
01:01:49.519 --> 01:01:51.920
was way too just low brow and
easy, because like I was a SNL

1042
01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:52.880
guy. Sure, I was like, man, this does isn't matching up

1043
01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:55.199
that st now at all? Yeah, No, it definitely didn't. Yeah,

1044
01:01:55.199 --> 01:02:00.320
there probably will not be a Mad
TV fortieth anniversary special probably in the

1045
01:02:00.400 --> 01:02:02.239
future. There was like there were
people on that cast that were super fun.

1046
01:02:02.360 --> 01:02:05.840
Yeah, it was like they launched
a couple of careers, didn't they

1047
01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:08.480
voice of Vamped and Meddle or Solid
to Phil Phil Lamar was on that show

1048
01:02:08.840 --> 01:02:12.360
before he got heavy in video game
acting, the guy who got shot in

1049
01:02:12.400 --> 01:02:15.119
the face and pulp fiction. Yeah, yeah, that's yeah, that's right.

1050
01:02:15.159 --> 01:02:16.960
That's where I learned to Phil Lamar
was Man TV. I watched that

1051
01:02:17.079 --> 01:02:22.239
Saturday Night Live forty Yeah I wanted
to, didn't, but fucking twice in

1052
01:02:22.280 --> 01:02:27.320
one month. I have somehow been
vexed by not being able to get a

1053
01:02:27.400 --> 01:02:30.440
ticket chord cutter. It went from
it went from the most worthless network to

1054
01:02:31.320 --> 01:02:34.519
like, suddenly I want to watch
stuff on there. Pay a buck and

1055
01:02:34.559 --> 01:02:37.800
a half every month for the opportunity
to occasionally watch television. Yeah, it's

1056
01:02:37.840 --> 01:02:40.280
it's not. I'm not like,
I'm not like a militant chord cutter or

1057
01:02:40.360 --> 01:02:44.079
something. I just don't you should
be. I just don't care. I

1058
01:02:44.119 --> 01:02:46.119
don't care enough to get cable.
I watched the entire thing, which was

1059
01:02:46.199 --> 01:02:50.639
like a half hour kind of best
of thing. There was an hour red

1060
01:02:50.719 --> 01:02:52.960
carpet thing and see the best of
thing. Yeah, there's like a half

1061
01:02:53.000 --> 01:02:55.480
hour, and then there was the
red the red carpet thing, which was

1062
01:02:55.519 --> 01:02:59.760
the most self indulgent piece of shit, Like I didn't go on to watch,

1063
01:03:00.039 --> 01:03:04.719
almost turned it off watching fucking Matt
Lower Well that's all red carpet,

1064
01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:07.159
Yeah exactly. It was just like
why the fun would they do this fucking

1065
01:03:07.360 --> 01:03:12.000
dumbass red carpet bottle? Well,
I mean it's a special event. Let

1066
01:03:12.039 --> 01:03:15.480
them have their list. To me, it was it was the perfect example

1067
01:03:15.719 --> 01:03:19.719
of like the thing that happened to
that show and everyone talks about it,

1068
01:03:19.800 --> 01:03:22.840
like, man, it was on
the edge. That ship was out there,

1069
01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:25.119
man, chevy Chase not not ready
for prompt I played. Man,

1070
01:03:25.159 --> 01:03:30.840
those guys were all crazy. Here's
our fucking red carpet special with Matt Lower.

1071
01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:34.039
Fucking we're just saying I got two
corporated or something. Yes, okay,

1072
01:03:34.119 --> 01:03:36.679
totally. It's the fucking softest show
in the land. Like there's you

1073
01:03:36.719 --> 01:03:38.239
know, there's no edge and set
it a lot. Maybe you find something

1074
01:03:38.360 --> 01:03:43.800
like you know, in the back
fifteen minutes, someone accidentally slipped some onto

1075
01:03:43.840 --> 01:03:46.119
the show, so that Kyle Mooney
and Beck Thennett stuff is usually pretty good.

1076
01:03:46.199 --> 01:03:51.760
The weekend depth they stuffing jokes,
they're saying it's not good. Yeah,

1077
01:03:51.920 --> 01:03:53.920
yeah, I'm just see to it
something looking to it for some kind

1078
01:03:53.960 --> 01:03:58.039
of counterculture. It has not been
that for I wouldn't. Yeah, even

1079
01:03:58.079 --> 01:04:00.000
when I was growing up and it
was you know, Ires and Farlane stuff,

1080
01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:02.239
I didn't even consider that. It
didn't seem like counterculture to me.

1081
01:04:02.400 --> 01:04:05.599
Like that said, the original cast
was counterculture, Yeah, yeah, I

1082
01:04:05.639 --> 01:04:08.920
mean there was certainly edged to it
in the nineties, I think, though

1083
01:04:09.679 --> 01:04:12.159
I don't and maybe it was just
because the Internet wasn't the Internet yet.

1084
01:04:12.159 --> 01:04:14.440
I mean that might be now.
It's just like everything is so in your

1085
01:04:14.440 --> 01:04:17.800
face and so filthy. I just
don't see the current show as being that

1086
01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:21.440
crazily different than you know, the
early nineties that I started watching on you

1087
01:04:21.519 --> 01:04:24.760
know. Yeah, I don't know. I don't really keep current with it.

1088
01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:28.480
Yeah. It was Norman attend Norm
was there, managed to weasel his

1089
01:04:28.559 --> 01:04:31.119
way up front for the fucking goodbyes
at the end. Yeah, just standing

1090
01:04:31.159 --> 01:04:34.039
there staring at the camera or everyone
else is hugging and talking everyone, Norm

1091
01:04:34.159 --> 01:04:36.920
just being Norman clapping. Ah,
he was. He was a weekend update

1092
01:04:36.960 --> 01:04:41.880
anchor, the best weekend That's like, that's like that's like being a ring

1093
01:04:41.960 --> 01:04:44.960
bearer, Like you get to you
get to take a ship to the undying

1094
01:04:45.079 --> 01:04:47.239
Lands at the end of your life. Yeah, eventually. Yeah, and

1095
01:04:47.800 --> 01:04:50.320
I wish him well on this journey. Colin Quinn was there, yes,

1096
01:04:50.519 --> 01:04:54.480
yeah, the same deal, making
fun of how we mumbled all the time.

1097
01:04:54.920 --> 01:04:58.159
Victoria Jackson was there, just not
on anything, shouldn't do anything.

1098
01:04:58.239 --> 01:05:00.639
Yeah, I saw a picture of
her. She was clearly in attendance.

1099
01:05:00.679 --> 01:05:03.679
Oh wow, not recognized. It's
that Conan was one of the only big

1100
01:05:03.719 --> 01:05:08.079
names that couldn't make it because he's
filming stuffs in Cuba, which sounds great

1101
01:05:08.360 --> 01:05:10.519
when he went to Iceland a few
years ago, it's incredible, it's really

1102
01:05:10.559 --> 01:05:13.760
good. Yeah, So should I
seek out that show if it becomes available?

1103
01:05:13.880 --> 01:05:16.639
No, yes, you know,
no, because like it's it's they

1104
01:05:16.679 --> 01:05:21.119
don't. They don't do any justice
to the bits of Like the new stuff

1105
01:05:21.119 --> 01:05:25.039
they shot I think is interesting and
some of it was funny, like this,

1106
01:05:25.199 --> 01:05:27.760
They did a new celebrity Jeopardy bit
that I thought was pretty good.

1107
01:05:27.880 --> 01:05:30.159
But did they they did they prerecord
all the skits? No? No,

1108
01:05:30.360 --> 01:05:32.440
no, they're always alive. Dan
Arod got out there and did Bassematic again

1109
01:05:32.599 --> 01:05:36.840
lot yea the very first I will
I will pull up as good as the

1110
01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:40.320
original, of course not, but
hey, great, I'll pull up a

1111
01:05:40.400 --> 01:05:43.320
video of that for sure. Whole
thing, all the live bits have the

1112
01:05:43.599 --> 01:05:45.480
feel of like, hey, we're
not on a show. Oh, it's

1113
01:05:45.519 --> 01:05:50.079
like it's our funny this we rewrote
all these jokes to fit this corporate uh

1114
01:05:50.559 --> 01:05:54.159
picnic that we're doing. You know. It's like, you know, they're

1115
01:05:54.199 --> 01:05:58.159
they're all referential to the show itself. It's not like here's current events,

1116
01:05:58.320 --> 01:06:00.559
what Ridge or anything. It it's
fun for what it is. It's a

1117
01:06:00.639 --> 01:06:03.599
it's a fun look at the show. One of my favorite sad moments was

1118
01:06:03.679 --> 01:06:09.519
during the red carpet thing where they're
interviewing Acroid and Jim Belushi and it's Matt

1119
01:06:09.559 --> 01:06:12.400
Lowerd trying to ask questions about like
legacy US now and near one of the

1120
01:06:12.440 --> 01:06:15.960
originals, and they kept trying to
turn every question back into like, yeah,

1121
01:06:15.039 --> 01:06:17.159
we're just you know, we're still
doing it. We're still traveling around

1122
01:06:17.159 --> 01:06:19.800
the country. We do the Blues
Brothers together live, you know, all

1123
01:06:19.840 --> 01:06:24.599
over the world. It's just like
they're trying to show this sad fat Blues

1124
01:06:24.639 --> 01:06:28.599
Brothers fifteen. And then they went
out and actually sang a song and we're

1125
01:06:28.679 --> 01:06:30.599
fucking too. Yeah. Yeah,
Like if they do this every night,

1126
01:06:30.639 --> 01:06:32.760
you think they'd be a little more
fucking on point. I mean, we

1127
01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:35.519
got to just be someplace in Reno
or something could be fair. I think

1128
01:06:35.519 --> 01:06:39.519
they were, you know, like
everyone seemed to be getting drunker as the

1129
01:06:39.599 --> 01:06:41.960
night went on. Also, it
was three and a half hours fucking long.

1130
01:06:42.079 --> 01:06:44.960
Yeah. It got to the point
where like the jokes about how long

1131
01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:47.559
the show was were too long.
Like everything like it was just like,

1132
01:06:47.639 --> 01:06:51.039
okay, you made too many of
these. Now, it was intense.

1133
01:06:51.920 --> 01:06:56.039
At what year was it that Eddie
Murphy decided he never wanted to be funny

1134
01:06:56.079 --> 01:06:59.800
again? Yeah, it was so
it was. I mean after post Nuttie.

1135
01:07:00.400 --> 01:07:01.320
That was right around the time,
bever, those Cop three came out

1136
01:07:01.440 --> 01:07:06.039
like Boomerang? Yeah, what was
that Vampire one? Yeah? Not a

1137
01:07:06.400 --> 01:07:09.800
not a terrible movie. Well,
the thing is, you watch these old

1138
01:07:09.840 --> 01:07:12.840
clips Eddie Murphy, that mister Robinson's
neighborhood and the Gumby stuff, and he

1139
01:07:12.960 --> 01:07:16.719
was fucking hilarious. He was so
on point. That's so young. He

1140
01:07:16.880 --> 01:07:19.559
was so fucking funny. And then
there's just this point where he like,

1141
01:07:19.719 --> 01:07:23.000
just like when he came out to
do his thing, it's supposed to be

1142
01:07:23.039 --> 01:07:25.719
this big thing. Eddie Murphy's back
didn't even attempt to be funny. He's

1143
01:07:25.719 --> 01:07:27.719
like, yeah, I think it's
cool. That's some stuff I did thirty

1144
01:07:27.760 --> 01:07:30.159
five years ago. I think you
know it's cool that people still care about

1145
01:07:30.159 --> 01:07:32.440
it. Cool. Thanks, like, you used to be the funniest dude

1146
01:07:32.440 --> 01:07:35.360
in the world. What happened to
you? I remember? So he did.

1147
01:07:35.440 --> 01:07:39.239
He was on Inside the Actors Studio
some years ago and I remember watching

1148
01:07:39.280 --> 01:07:42.159
that and a big part of what
he had, you know, what was

1149
01:07:42.280 --> 01:07:45.119
driving him at that point, Like
it kind of puts some of it into

1150
01:07:45.159 --> 01:07:48.599
perspective, was this feeling of just
like he really likes putting on suits and

1151
01:07:50.000 --> 01:07:55.559
all the makeup and costumes and doing
voices and like disappearing and not being a

1152
01:07:55.639 --> 01:07:58.679
part of a scene to the point
where like you can see like, oh,

1153
01:07:58.760 --> 01:08:01.119
well, clearly the Clumps is exactly
what he wants to be doing because

1154
01:08:01.119 --> 01:08:03.960
he can put on this giant fat
suit and just disappear into these roles and

1155
01:08:04.119 --> 01:08:08.679
orbit and not be Eddie Murphy playing
a role. But his stand up was

1156
01:08:08.760 --> 01:08:12.119
Eddie Murphy being Eddie Murphy, and
that was enough to be fucking hilarious,

1157
01:08:12.199 --> 01:08:15.360
raw and delirious, and like that
was him not playing a character. At

1158
01:08:15.400 --> 01:08:16.680
some point he probably got tired of
doing it. Yeah, he was so

1159
01:08:16.800 --> 01:08:19.399
good though, he doesn't feel like
he has anything left to say, yeah,

1160
01:08:19.439 --> 01:08:21.920
that he wants to say in public, doesn't have anything left to prove.

1161
01:08:23.159 --> 01:08:26.319
I mean, he's doing well for
himself, yeah whatever, But yeah,

1162
01:08:26.520 --> 01:08:29.720
it is, Yes, it is
kind of frustrating, Yeah, because

1163
01:08:29.720 --> 01:08:30.720
it's one of those things where you're
like, man, imagine if we had

1164
01:08:31.399 --> 01:08:35.319
another ten years of Eddie Murphy doing
Eddie Murphy stuff, wasted, natural talent,

1165
01:08:35.600 --> 01:08:42.000
slumber, more flubber. Uh,
but you know it is what it

1166
01:08:42.119 --> 01:08:45.000
is. Yeah. Robin Williams,
he was in the Nutty Professor that was

1167
01:08:45.039 --> 01:08:48.840
about no. He said flabber.
No, nob flabber was originally a Jerry

1168
01:08:48.920 --> 01:08:53.239
Lewis thing, and then they made
a Robin Williams Okay, Okay, yeah,

1169
01:08:53.319 --> 01:08:55.720
yeah, I'm thinking of Nutty Professor. But I said flabber. Anybody

1170
01:08:55.800 --> 01:09:00.840
see Pluto Nash, You know I
missed that one. Weird Yeah, all

1171
01:09:00.920 --> 01:09:04.560
right, now that our comedy Symposium
has come to an end. Yeah,

1172
01:09:04.560 --> 01:09:08.159
it's it's a weird show. Like, you know, there's so many montages

1173
01:09:08.199 --> 01:09:11.039
and stuff, but like they don't
show full sketches or anything. So like,

1174
01:09:11.399 --> 01:09:14.479
as a show on its own,
it's not really telling you anything.

1175
01:09:14.560 --> 01:09:16.840
It's just like, do you care
enough about these people to see them introduce

1176
01:09:16.960 --> 01:09:23.560
montages or no? And you know, I was. I was happy to

1177
01:09:23.640 --> 01:09:25.680
have watched it, but I'm not
gonna sit here and tell you it's a

1178
01:09:25.720 --> 01:09:29.439
great show. See the highlights.
Yeah, someone did tweet me something that

1179
01:09:29.479 --> 01:09:31.560
sounds really interesting. I didn't know
that Jay Moore wrote a book called Gasping

1180
01:09:31.600 --> 01:09:34.439
for Airtime, and it's about his
time as a writer and just struggling to

1181
01:09:34.479 --> 01:09:36.680
get stuff on the air, which
I know Larry David always did too.

1182
01:09:38.039 --> 01:09:40.039
I didn't know there's a whole book
about it. So I just bought that

1183
01:09:40.159 --> 01:09:43.600
and I'm really looking forward to starting. I keep meaning to read the one

1184
01:09:43.680 --> 01:09:45.079
Big from New York Life fro New
York is one of my favorit book I've

1185
01:09:45.079 --> 01:09:48.600
ever. It's fascinating here in stories
about like you know, Oden Kirk,

1186
01:09:48.680 --> 01:09:53.479
like rooming with Chris Farley and him
coming back from benders and stuff, growing

1187
01:09:53.560 --> 01:09:56.960
couches and it's it's a fascinating books. Is that just a straight up tell

1188
01:09:57.000 --> 01:09:59.560
all? So yeah, it's so
they got everyone that's ever mattered, and

1189
01:09:59.640 --> 01:10:01.840
that's not like the way it's written
is amazing. Is it's chronological and so

1190
01:10:01.960 --> 01:10:03.920
like you know, from seventy five
to eighty it'll be like, okay,

1191
01:10:03.920 --> 01:10:08.439
here's Chevy you're writing a few paragraphs, and now here's Laurie Newman. And

1192
01:10:08.880 --> 01:10:12.800
you know, it's just written from
everyone from writers like Michael o'donahue and stuff

1193
01:10:12.800 --> 01:10:15.600
too. Oral history, Yeah,
yeah, exactly, And it's all people

1194
01:10:15.640 --> 01:10:17.399
get out there and say, yes, Chevy Chase is a fucking terrible person,

1195
01:10:17.520 --> 01:10:21.439
like basically everyone think basically everyone has. I don't think anybody needs to

1196
01:10:21.439 --> 01:10:25.119
say that at this point. I
think it's just like if you're the specifics,

1197
01:10:25.159 --> 01:10:27.079
because it's it's one of those things
where it's like you always hear that

1198
01:10:27.159 --> 01:10:30.319
he's a fucking awful, awful person. And it was weird seeing him on

1199
01:10:30.399 --> 01:10:32.399
that show. I mean, of
course, he was, of course terrible.

1200
01:10:32.399 --> 01:10:34.359
He did not look great and when
when they interviewed him on the Red

1201
01:10:34.399 --> 01:10:38.079
Carpet, he just couldn't really talk
well, and like he's in his seventies,

1202
01:10:38.119 --> 01:10:40.199
you know, is he in his
seventies? Yeah, I think he's

1203
01:10:40.199 --> 01:10:46.840
like seventy one twenties and seventy five
makes sense, it's been that long.

1204
01:10:47.359 --> 01:10:51.359
Shit. Yeah, yeah, he
got very ununny. I haven't seen community,

1205
01:10:51.439 --> 01:10:57.239
but I've never seen Chevy do anything
funny and quite a while. Yeah,

1206
01:10:57.319 --> 01:11:00.479
he was, you know, the
right man for the for a very

1207
01:11:00.680 --> 01:11:04.119
specific chunk of time. Yeah,
all right, well I'll check out the

1208
01:11:04.199 --> 01:11:09.399
highlights in the meantime. What if
we check out the highlights of the news.

1209
01:11:09.800 --> 01:11:13.479
Sure, yea great, let's talk
about the news. I forget who

1210
01:11:13.640 --> 01:11:18.000
mentioned the Bethesda E three conference thingy. Yes, but let's talk about it.

1211
01:11:18.079 --> 01:11:21.800
Bethesda is having an E three conference
thingy. Yeah, yeah, Sunday

1212
01:11:21.880 --> 01:11:25.840
they're doing Sunday night events. Yes, I want to say, like Activision

1213
01:11:25.840 --> 01:11:29.319
has done those. Yes, I
think so. The last Sunday evening before

1214
01:11:29.359 --> 01:11:32.079
E three event that I remember was
the big Connect unveiled the Microsoft thing.

1215
01:11:32.119 --> 01:11:36.840
We had todcast, the crazy Space
Wizards. There was the Middle Gear Theater

1216
01:11:36.960 --> 01:11:40.880
thing that was a Sunday when that
was ages ago. That was I mean,

1217
01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:43.479
that's before my time. I think
I would have loved that. It

1218
01:11:43.560 --> 01:11:46.319
was just two oh, there was
that two thousand. I think, yeah,

1219
01:11:46.479 --> 01:11:49.359
I should bring in that DVD.
I've got the Japanese DVD that's got

1220
01:11:49.880 --> 01:11:54.680
like a ton of footage from that
screening, like the first like the first

1221
01:11:54.760 --> 01:11:58.800
US screening of the two thousand MGS
two trailer. I can't imagine. And

1222
01:11:58.840 --> 01:12:00.239
it's like that's like all the you
know, it's all the greatest hits of

1223
01:12:00.640 --> 01:12:04.479
Ziff Davis back then, like filing
and for the camera going to see the

1224
01:12:04.560 --> 01:12:08.439
trailer and stuff. It's weird.
That's weird. But anyway, Yeah,

1225
01:12:08.479 --> 01:12:14.039
like Bethesda clearly has got a lineup
of sorts that they are so confident in

1226
01:12:14.119 --> 01:12:16.399
that they are going to have their
own event. Yeah, which immediately leads

1227
01:12:16.439 --> 01:12:19.840
one to think of the word fall
out. Sure, or at least it

1228
01:12:19.880 --> 01:12:24.520
does me. Yeah, yeah,
it's gotta be right anyway, they don't

1229
01:12:24.560 --> 01:12:28.600
announce whatever Bethesda Game Studios is making
it. Think, yes, I think

1230
01:12:28.640 --> 01:12:31.840
they absolutely will have to say what
what is coming out of that studio next,

1231
01:12:31.960 --> 01:12:34.479
whether it's fall Out or not fall
Out or something else. Fucking just

1232
01:12:34.600 --> 01:12:39.000
tell us. Yeah, it's been
ages. Well, you know it's like

1233
01:12:40.079 --> 01:12:43.880
a game of that magnitude. Oh
yeah, you know can command a certain

1234
01:12:43.920 --> 01:12:47.159
type of stage and there are fewer
of those stages left. Now, that's

1235
01:12:47.319 --> 01:12:51.720
that's yeah. Jeff Keeley's not on
television. Sure, they're only twelve Game

1236
01:12:51.760 --> 01:12:55.319
in Former covers every year. But
also, you know, you don't want

1237
01:12:55.359 --> 01:12:57.760
to websites are not big enough to
just like we were gonna do, like

1238
01:12:57.840 --> 01:13:00.920
oh we put a lot for on
the IGN homepage for a day like ya.

1239
01:13:00.479 --> 01:13:03.159
But also you don't want to announce, you know, two years before

1240
01:13:03.239 --> 01:13:06.199
release or something. And if this
game, you know, for whatever reason,

1241
01:13:06.279 --> 01:13:10.479
whether it's like ambition of design or
just moving to new consoles or whatever,

1242
01:13:10.720 --> 01:13:13.960
Like, this game is clearly taking
longer than the last couple of games

1243
01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:16.000
they did. Yeah, I wonder
if it's just a tech thing of like,

1244
01:13:16.159 --> 01:13:19.119
well, you know that engine that
they were running all those games on

1245
01:13:19.359 --> 01:13:25.880
was pretty jan Yeah, but I've
always thought maybe that maybe they're jacking it

1246
01:13:25.960 --> 01:13:30.439
up and like just rebuilding everything,
or maybe it just took a long time

1247
01:13:30.479 --> 01:13:32.399
to get that jan Kiss engine working. Except the lease, they don't run

1248
01:13:32.439 --> 01:13:35.920
into the problems they've run into in
the past on consoles. I've always you

1249
01:13:35.920 --> 01:13:41.399
know, a lot of people always
like blame Gamebryo for the extreme jake in

1250
01:13:41.479 --> 01:13:43.640
their games. Yeah, but you
know, that thing is an off the

1251
01:13:43.680 --> 01:13:46.760
shelf engine. I've always suspected that
it's all the crazy stuff they add to

1252
01:13:46.880 --> 01:13:49.359
it. Oh that is causing all
that stuff, you know, like just

1253
01:13:49.680 --> 01:13:53.720
having to deal with thousands of ais
running around independently at all times, like

1254
01:13:53.800 --> 01:13:56.239
stuff like that. Whatever it is
they're doing, it's you know, it's

1255
01:13:56.279 --> 01:13:59.800
crazy. Yeah, it's ambitious for
sure, but yeah, it will be

1256
01:13:59.840 --> 01:14:01.920
there. Yeah. So here's here's
your open platform to speculate on what will

1257
01:14:01.960 --> 01:14:04.279
be at this thing. All right, I'll run down for you exactly what

1258
01:14:04.359 --> 01:14:09.119
will be at this thing. Battle
Cry, yes, they're free to play

1259
01:14:09.159 --> 01:14:13.479
game ye. Doom yeah, Doom
ask to be there, the Fallout,

1260
01:14:13.560 --> 01:14:16.079
Slash whatever. But as the Game
Studios is doing, yep, Dishonored to

1261
01:14:16.439 --> 01:14:21.800
Yeph and Elder scrolls online for consoles
because it will ship on June ninth,

1262
01:14:21.840 --> 01:14:27.199
and it'll still be relevant enough for
them to talk about it on their own

1263
01:14:27.239 --> 01:14:32.079
stage. If I were building that
production, I would open with I probably

1264
01:14:32.119 --> 01:14:35.520
opened with a Doom gameplay demo,
yeah yeah, and then I would then

1265
01:14:35.520 --> 01:14:41.520
I would get battle Cry out of
the way, then the Dishonored or Arcane

1266
01:14:41.600 --> 01:14:45.159
whatever. Yeah, then whatever,
yeso stuff has to happen close the Fallout.

1267
01:14:45.399 --> 01:14:47.399
Yeah, that sounds good. That's
how I would do it. Yeah,

1268
01:14:48.000 --> 01:14:51.239
if all that stuff is there.
Sean Elliott from Arcane was on Twitter

1269
01:14:51.560 --> 01:14:55.279
kind of pointing people at this thing, which immediately led me to think,

1270
01:14:55.359 --> 01:14:58.039
Oh, whatever they're working on is
probably gonna be there. But who can

1271
01:14:58.119 --> 01:15:01.840
say. But you know, that's
a hell of a lineup that's easily too.

1272
01:15:02.239 --> 01:15:10.760
Yeah. Two Warriors zero Prime Yeah
man, uh yeah, if if

1273
01:15:10.760 --> 01:15:15.640
they hit all those high notes like
that is easily a lineup that would support

1274
01:15:15.520 --> 01:15:18.840
their own external event. Sure,
yeah, totally what do you think the

1275
01:15:18.880 --> 01:15:24.520
odds are that they are adapting it
tech to run open world Skyrim style games.

1276
01:15:24.680 --> 01:15:27.880
I have heard from people who would
know in the past that that is

1277
01:15:27.960 --> 01:15:30.640
a damn near crazy pipe dream and
will never happen. It'd be so cool

1278
01:15:30.680 --> 01:15:36.000
though year and would take a decade
to actually make a game with. All

1279
01:15:36.039 --> 01:15:39.720
Right, well, okay, what
if there's a new id tech engine and

1280
01:15:39.800 --> 01:15:45.319
that is going to be the thing
that unders it brought on the like the

1281
01:15:45.760 --> 01:15:49.479
very top head technical guy from Critech, Yeah, a few months or a

1282
01:15:49.600 --> 01:15:54.439
year ago to basically become their new
kind of architect for stuff. Now that

1283
01:15:54.520 --> 01:15:56.800
John Carmack has gone so like,
yeah, it could be Yeah, I

1284
01:15:56.840 --> 01:16:00.000
mean maybe it is going to become
like something of a technical yeah wunderhouse.

1285
01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:02.119
Well, ay, what do you
do with it now? Maybe you like,

1286
01:16:02.279 --> 01:16:04.720
what do you you know, are
you going to double down on this

1287
01:16:05.119 --> 01:16:09.319
this weird ass engine you've been using
for a while and bring it forward onto

1288
01:16:09.319 --> 01:16:13.800
another generation of consoles or you know? It is this delay explained by all

1289
01:16:13.880 --> 01:16:16.319
the technical like behind the scenes work
this kid that's getting done. I stumbled

1290
01:16:16.319 --> 01:16:23.000
into an interesting Twitter conversation a week
or two ago involving Carmack where somebody when

1291
01:16:23.079 --> 01:16:25.560
someone was like, John Karmack is
awesome, and you responded, fucking a.

1292
01:16:26.199 --> 01:16:28.720
Yeah, that was basically what it
was. Somebody who had been at

1293
01:16:28.720 --> 01:16:31.319
id for a couple of years was
in an interview for you know, whatever

1294
01:16:31.359 --> 01:16:34.640
they're doing now and kind of name
dropped him and tweeted at him about,

1295
01:16:34.680 --> 01:16:38.279
you know, like, oh,
I was very effusive about you being my

1296
01:16:38.359 --> 01:16:43.520
idol or whatever, and his response
was like, sorry, working on Doom

1297
01:16:43.600 --> 01:16:47.319
wasn't a better experience for you,
referring to this new Doom. And then

1298
01:16:47.399 --> 01:16:50.119
like people responded to that, going
like oh god, is like Carmack is

1299
01:16:50.119 --> 01:16:53.880
admitting that Doom is a train wreck, and he was like He's like like,

1300
01:16:53.960 --> 01:16:56.319
no, sometimes a good thing comes
out of a crucible or whatever.

1301
01:16:56.880 --> 01:17:00.560
Yeah, but but he, you
know, being pretty plain about the fact

1302
01:17:00.600 --> 01:17:03.039
that that game has had kind of
its ups and downs. Sure so far,

1303
01:17:03.359 --> 01:17:05.800
but you know, they showed a
quake con last year and the response

1304
01:17:05.920 --> 01:17:10.720
was very positive. Yeah, so
the three seems like it is high time

1305
01:17:10.800 --> 01:17:15.680
to show off whatever they've got with
that game totally is rage dead I probably,

1306
01:17:15.920 --> 01:17:17.920
Yeah, I don't think it's ane. Yeah, it didn't do great,

1307
01:17:17.960 --> 01:17:20.840
it didn't it looked so Yeah,
it sure did. It was brink

1308
01:17:20.920 --> 01:17:26.720
Bethesda. Yeah, yeah, that's
not that. That's right, that's right,

1309
01:17:27.319 --> 01:17:30.520
that's not going And they're doing that
dirty Bomb game now, which was

1310
01:17:30.560 --> 01:17:32.399
a great name. It's great names, a great name. Very excited when

1311
01:17:32.399 --> 01:17:35.199
they got that name back. Yeah. I actually liked Rage a lot until

1312
01:17:35.199 --> 01:17:39.680
the ending. Yeah, the last
mission of Rage is a huge fucking bummer.

1313
01:17:39.800 --> 01:17:42.279
But it's terrible. But I mean, I think the game itself plays

1314
01:17:42.479 --> 01:17:45.439
really well. Yeah, Like the
shooting fundamentals in that game, I feel

1315
01:17:45.479 --> 01:17:46.520
like are way better than a lot
of people gave that game credit. Yes,

1316
01:17:46.600 --> 01:17:48.880
and it's one of the most gorgeous
games. The last town of contest,

1317
01:17:49.199 --> 01:17:51.319
Like a lot of the stuff you
were doing in town, getting the

1318
01:17:51.359 --> 01:17:55.880
stupid glave things, and just like
a lot of the periphery and Rage wasn't

1319
01:17:55.880 --> 01:17:58.880
worth it. You're you're you're not
wrong. Like it had some definitely some

1320
01:17:59.039 --> 01:18:02.039
kind of driving. It was sort
of open world, was kind of interesting

1321
01:18:02.079 --> 01:18:04.159
to look at and drive around a
little bit. You know. It was

1322
01:18:04.199 --> 01:18:08.239
a good show piece for what that
engine could do in its own weird way,

1323
01:18:08.319 --> 01:18:11.640
but it did it didn't make for
a fun video game. Yeah,

1324
01:18:11.640 --> 01:18:14.439
I think the game was at its
best in just the pure shooting sequences,

1325
01:18:14.439 --> 01:18:16.159
because I mean I still really good
at that. I like building the little

1326
01:18:16.199 --> 01:18:18.840
turrets and stuff that would follow you
around and help you out. Some of

1327
01:18:18.840 --> 01:18:21.880
that stuffs cool. Uh, you
know the world and maybe not the most

1328
01:18:21.920 --> 01:18:27.560
inspired. Yeah, not of an
arid desert, you know, very boris

1329
01:18:27.680 --> 01:18:32.760
land. Uh. They're streaming that
event live, okay, Yeah, so

1330
01:18:32.920 --> 01:18:36.119
everybody would get to see it as
it happens. So don't worry if you

1331
01:18:36.159 --> 01:18:45.079
can't make its probably most people you
could see it anyway. Remember when Sony

1332
01:18:45.199 --> 01:18:50.600
Online Entertainment got sold and became Daybreak
Game Studio and the old days, Yeah,

1333
01:18:51.199 --> 01:18:55.960
eons ago, when they were weeks
ago, wasn't Yeah something like that,

1334
01:18:56.039 --> 01:18:59.520
when they were talking like this acquisition
or this kind of transition wouldn't really

1335
01:18:59.560 --> 01:19:05.000
affect the projects they have going.
It affected those projects, did it,

1336
01:19:05.760 --> 01:19:09.960
or rather the people working on them, as as a large number of them

1337
01:19:10.000 --> 01:19:13.640
have been laid off. Yeah.
A bunch of people working on h one

1338
01:19:13.720 --> 01:19:16.319
Z one they're kind of zombie Survivor
game. And also a bunch of people

1339
01:19:16.399 --> 01:19:23.880
working on ever Quests next. Yes, yeah, we're made redundant, which

1340
01:19:23.960 --> 01:19:28.880
is kind of concerning because every quest
next sounded like it had some really cool

1341
01:19:28.920 --> 01:19:30.399
ideas going for it. Yeah,
you know, who knows stuff and all

1342
01:19:30.399 --> 01:19:33.079
that. Just yeah, there's a
lot of that voxels. Yeah, I

1343
01:19:33.159 --> 01:19:38.199
love voxels. Oh yeah, you
know, I love vox I do know

1344
01:19:38.319 --> 01:19:43.720
that about you. I don't know, like, you know, it's not

1345
01:19:43.840 --> 01:19:45.720
my genre, but I think h
one z one always seemed like a super

1346
01:19:45.800 --> 01:19:49.279
opportunistic, creepy project that was like
them going like, we want to get

1347
01:19:49.319 --> 01:19:53.119
in this space. I don't know
if it's a creepy but opportunistic, sure,

1348
01:19:53.319 --> 01:19:55.720
yeah, yeah, but it seems
you know, like a lot of

1349
01:19:55.720 --> 01:19:59.399
people streaming it and stuff. It
seems fairly popular. So it seems like

1350
01:19:59.439 --> 01:20:03.880
their decision paid off. But maybe
their needs for that game changed maybe,

1351
01:20:04.039 --> 01:20:08.800
or maybe they needs for money changed. I don't know. Yeah, you

1352
01:20:08.880 --> 01:20:11.880
know, uh, you know,
they put out a statement like that people

1353
01:20:12.039 --> 01:20:15.920
were let go from both San Diego
and Austin, you know, alignment of

1354
01:20:15.000 --> 01:20:19.079
resources, better positions, newly independent
studio for future growth. You know,

1355
01:20:19.159 --> 01:20:24.760
it's kind of standard corporate speak,
yeah about people, uh losing their jobs.

1356
01:20:24.840 --> 01:20:27.359
But sucks, man. Yeah,
it's a bummer. Well you'll see

1357
01:20:27.359 --> 01:20:30.760
what happens, you know with their
output from here and what they've got going

1358
01:20:30.760 --> 01:20:33.359
on. So I feel like it's
been a super strange studio for a really

1359
01:20:33.439 --> 01:20:36.159
long time. I just I don't
don't feel like they've I mean, I'm

1360
01:20:36.159 --> 01:20:40.600
sure they're like quietly like doing just
fine with stuff like Planet Side and DC.

1361
01:20:41.000 --> 01:20:43.479
You know, it's like we don't
hear about that stuff that much.

1362
01:20:43.600 --> 01:20:45.560
It's funny, like kind of off
to the races with it. Now it's

1363
01:20:45.760 --> 01:20:47.119
it's done, it's out, it's
it's going. It's funny when you would

1364
01:20:47.159 --> 01:20:50.319
stop once in a while and think
about how many games they were actually running

1365
01:20:50.359 --> 01:20:53.960
at one time, and it was
a lot like the station passed used to

1366
01:20:54.000 --> 01:20:55.600
get you, like, I don't
know how many gets you. Now it's

1367
01:20:55.600 --> 01:20:59.000
like, here's fucking access to forty
games, right, here's like eight different

1368
01:20:59.039 --> 01:21:02.359
name of moos that we're still running
that you forgot about. Yeah uh so

1369
01:21:02.520 --> 01:21:05.479
yeah, yeah, condolencess. People
who lost their jobs with it, well

1370
01:21:05.840 --> 01:21:13.119
see what happens there. I suppose
all right, it's time. I'll all

1371
01:21:13.199 --> 01:21:15.880
right, I'm strapped in. Hold
on your butts. Okay, it's time

1372
01:21:15.920 --> 01:21:20.159
to talk about Peter Malinew. It's
time to talk about Goddess. He's a

1373
01:21:20.159 --> 01:21:24.479
British man. He is he.
He loves his dog. He loves his

1374
01:21:24.600 --> 01:21:27.800
dog. He made some video games
that were really good. He did.

1375
01:21:28.479 --> 01:21:33.399
He's his name is synonymous with hits
like Populous. Uh huh, Syndicate sendicate

1376
01:21:34.560 --> 01:21:40.600
the movies. Sure, Fable,
Dungeon Keeper, Yeah, Fable, Little

1377
01:21:40.680 --> 01:21:45.760
Ladder Day. But yeah, sure, I think Fable's pretty good. Uh,

1378
01:21:45.239 --> 01:21:48.800
Fable two? Get some other stuff
here and there? All right?

1379
01:21:49.159 --> 01:21:53.880
Okay, Peter mal new crowdfund of
the game called Goddess. You remember that

1380
01:21:54.600 --> 01:21:57.319
crowdfunded it? Yes? It Kickstarter? Due? Yeah, kick Goddess was

1381
01:21:57.359 --> 01:22:00.560
a straight up Kickstarter Okay, uh
you got remember Curiosity, the dumb ass

1382
01:22:00.640 --> 01:22:04.079
cube that we all tapped on way
too long. Twenty two cans, Yes,

1383
01:22:04.159 --> 01:22:08.800
twenty two Cans was his independent studio
that he went to reformed rather after

1384
01:22:08.840 --> 01:22:12.359
you left Microsoft. Did we all
play Curiosity Cube? I did? Yeah?

1385
01:22:12.560 --> 01:22:15.960
Did you really play that thing?
It play? You boom to be

1386
01:22:16.039 --> 01:22:18.640
fair. I liked the idea a
lot. I liked the mystery of the

1387
01:22:18.880 --> 01:22:21.960
Oh yeah, yes, yeah,
that was a great certainly got everybody talking

1388
01:22:23.039 --> 01:22:28.960
and tapping. But the payoff was
the al Capones vault of video games.

1389
01:22:29.720 --> 01:22:32.079
Inside It's just like, here's three
empty bottles. And all, we're all

1390
01:22:32.159 --> 01:22:40.680
Heraldo. I'm just putting that phrase
in the podcast description, but yeah,

1391
01:22:40.720 --> 01:22:44.199
you know, your curiosity happened.
And then they ran the Goddess Kickstarter and

1392
01:22:44.720 --> 01:22:46.479
it was basically like, hey,
I'm gonna make another Populace was the gist

1393
01:22:46.560 --> 01:22:51.880
of it. Thinking a god game
with a bunch of grandiose promises about was

1394
01:22:53.000 --> 01:22:56.319
his studio twenty two cans say we're
making this? Yes? Uh? And

1395
01:22:56.399 --> 01:22:59.680
you know they made a bunch of
grandios promises about connected multiplayer and one big

1396
01:22:59.720 --> 01:23:02.479
war old and blah blah blah,
you know, PC version, Mobile version.

1397
01:23:02.640 --> 01:23:05.000
I don't remember the promises. I
didn't follow the kickstarter teo. Mart

1398
01:23:05.000 --> 01:23:08.960
I just remember downloading the first build
of it that was available on Steam and

1399
01:23:09.039 --> 01:23:11.920
thinking, this is barely again.
It was very shaky. There was very

1400
01:23:12.000 --> 01:23:15.640
little there. Uh Anyway, Anyway, the reason this is in the news

1401
01:23:15.720 --> 01:23:19.800
is that it sounds like there is
still not nearly as much there as there

1402
01:23:19.920 --> 01:23:25.640
was supposed to be, or even
as the development team would like there to

1403
01:23:25.760 --> 01:23:30.640
be. It's good that they're dissatisfied, because I imagine the players probably aren't.

1404
01:23:30.079 --> 01:23:33.319
They're satisfied by the product either.
Yeah, there have been some rumors

1405
01:23:33.359 --> 01:23:40.079
going around about kind of resources running
low, morale running low in the development.

1406
01:23:42.479 --> 01:23:46.800
Some statements have gotten out there that
kind of don't paint a it feels

1407
01:23:46.800 --> 01:23:50.399
like it's it seems like a lot
of current and former twenty two canzers.

1408
01:23:50.800 --> 01:23:56.640
Yes are speaking to the press anonymously. Yes. Forgive me. Forgive me

1409
01:23:56.720 --> 01:23:58.680
for being all over the place with
this, because there is a lot to

1410
01:23:58.760 --> 01:24:03.359
parse here. Because part of the
issue is that Mall News seems to have

1411
01:24:03.520 --> 01:24:08.720
gone and begun a new project off
to the side, and some of the

1412
01:24:08.760 --> 01:24:11.279
people who were working on Goddess have
now moved on to work on that.

1413
01:24:11.439 --> 01:24:15.840
It's called the Trial. Uh is
it? Is it a shareware version of

1414
01:24:15.920 --> 01:24:20.560
Goddess, like a trial addition,
I don't believe that's the case. Well

1415
01:24:20.560 --> 01:24:24.840
that's a problematic. Yeah, So
so some Goddess team members of you know,

1416
01:24:25.359 --> 01:24:29.279
producer Jemma Harris is named I have
Oh I'm sorry, she departed the

1417
01:24:29.319 --> 01:24:31.159
team, and then other members of
the Goddess team have moved on to the

1418
01:24:31.239 --> 01:24:35.720
Trial. That in itself doesn't bother
me, because like, if he's if

1419
01:24:35.760 --> 01:24:39.800
he's like mister Molly, you big
old idea man, that he can just

1420
01:24:39.840 --> 01:24:42.159
deliver a document and say like,
this is what I think should be in

1421
01:24:42.199 --> 01:24:44.800
this game. Make it. This
is my part of Goddess. Go yeah,

1422
01:24:44.880 --> 01:24:47.319
okay, well tell tell me if
this bothers you, okay. Core

1423
01:24:47.439 --> 01:24:53.880
designer Conrad Nazinski made this comment about
the state of Goddess to be brutally candidate

1424
01:24:53.880 --> 01:24:56.960
and realistic. I simply can't see
us delivering all the features promised on the

1425
01:24:57.000 --> 01:25:00.840
Kickstarter page. A lot of the
multiplayer stuff is looking serious shaky right now,

1426
01:25:00.000 --> 01:25:04.960
especially the persistent stuff like the hub
world. Goddess is rather confused right

1427
01:25:05.000 --> 01:25:10.600
now. It plays like an ongoing
persistent game without real endpoints, and yet

1428
01:25:10.680 --> 01:25:14.119
it's divided up into discrete levels.
This is one of the big decisions we

1429
01:25:14.199 --> 01:25:16.520
will need to make in the next
couple of weeks. And again, realistically,

1430
01:25:16.560 --> 01:25:19.640
I'm having to ask myself, how
good can we turn what Goddess is

1431
01:25:19.800 --> 01:25:24.359
right now into a good, complete
experience, rather than how can we deliver

1432
01:25:24.479 --> 01:25:28.600
on the Kickstarter pitch goals. Yeah, we are in the process of reevaluating

1433
01:25:28.640 --> 01:25:31.039
the big picture direction of and end
goal of Goddess. It's not an easy

1434
01:25:31.119 --> 01:25:34.760
or straightforward task, but I'll let
you know when I can. So like

1435
01:25:35.199 --> 01:25:40.560
on its own, no problems with
that, right, that sounds like games

1436
01:25:40.560 --> 01:25:44.600
in development, like shit will happen. It's only when you take it in

1437
01:25:44.680 --> 01:25:47.600
the context of we set all this
shit in order to raise money from the

1438
01:25:47.720 --> 01:25:53.800
public and did it in an extremely
public way, and now we're backing away

1439
01:25:53.840 --> 01:25:57.880
from it, that it becomes a
problem. Like they they both launched like

1440
01:25:57.920 --> 01:26:00.840
a really crazy and not a legal
problem, and it sounds like they have

1441
01:26:00.960 --> 01:26:03.520
no actual you know, to you
know, kickstarters fail think things. Yeah,

1442
01:26:03.560 --> 01:26:06.079
yeah, there won't be any accountability
there that I'm aware of. But

1443
01:26:06.319 --> 01:26:09.960
that's what I wonder about with with
kickstarters. Let's say they just don't make

1444
01:26:10.000 --> 01:26:12.319
the game and they don't ever release
it. I mean, is there any

1445
01:26:12.439 --> 01:26:15.920
like they don't return the money,
like did they money and what happened?

1446
01:26:15.479 --> 01:26:17.720
Yeah? I mean so it's so
basically that is just something you have to

1447
01:26:17.720 --> 01:26:20.359
worry about when you back in your
kickstarter. Is not pre ordering a thing?

1448
01:26:20.479 --> 01:26:23.920
Yeah, so there is a good
charity. That's why they have the

1449
01:26:24.039 --> 01:26:27.600
risks and challenges section of a of
a kickstarter. Now they didn't have it

1450
01:26:27.640 --> 01:26:29.880
originally, but it's like, Okay, what are some things that could come

1451
01:26:29.960 --> 01:26:30.960
up? They could totally derail your
project? And they have to be like,

1452
01:26:31.720 --> 01:26:36.239
well, I mean we've scoped out
what we think the size of this

1453
01:26:36.359 --> 01:26:39.279
thing is going to be. But
it could always you know, we could

1454
01:26:39.359 --> 01:26:41.840
encounter weird bugs. We this could
happen, This could happen, This could

1455
01:26:41.880 --> 01:26:45.640
happen. Yeah, it's a it's
a donation. Yeah, it's a donation

1456
01:26:45.760 --> 01:26:48.560
with rewards for for backing it.
It's not a pre order. But you

1457
01:26:48.640 --> 01:26:53.479
are not guaranteed anything. No,
no, no. But in this case,

1458
01:26:53.600 --> 01:26:57.880
they ran a highly publicized promotional campaign
with that stupid cube app. They

1459
01:26:58.000 --> 01:27:00.960
traded on the kind of legendary name
of Malannu to further hype this thing up,

1460
01:27:01.159 --> 01:27:03.640
right, Like, you know,
they kind of put a lot out

1461
01:27:03.640 --> 01:27:08.720
there in good faith to get people
to to contribute money these things. You

1462
01:27:08.760 --> 01:27:11.600
know, I think there are plenty
of people doing right by Kickstarter and and

1463
01:27:11.840 --> 01:27:14.560
you know, putting out their games. Stuff gets delayed because that that just

1464
01:27:14.640 --> 01:27:17.600
happens. But like people are raising
money and turning out products and making good

1465
01:27:17.640 --> 01:27:19.920
on their goals and some some good
games are coming out of it, and

1466
01:27:20.199 --> 01:27:24.840
more over a lot of types of
games that wouldn't get made otherwise. Yeah,

1467
01:27:24.960 --> 01:27:28.159
but but for Molineu and the people
at twenty two cans. The only

1468
01:27:28.239 --> 01:27:31.760
real consequence that they can possibly face
is damage reputations, right right, you

1469
01:27:32.479 --> 01:27:34.960
like severely damage reputation. Well,
I mean, if you think about,

1470
01:27:35.039 --> 01:27:39.640
like, you know, the kind
of the joke that has surrounded Malaneu over

1471
01:27:39.720 --> 01:27:43.319
this, you know, over this
last generation or two ever since the first

1472
01:27:43.319 --> 01:27:45.399
fable, i'd say, yeah,
you know, like before that, before

1473
01:27:45.479 --> 01:27:48.479
that, before like at least as
far back as Black and White. Oh

1474
01:27:48.560 --> 01:27:51.039
yeah, I remember, I remember
a huge outcry over Black and White when

1475
01:27:51.079 --> 01:27:54.840
it came out. Yeah, yeah, I remember being severely disappointed. I

1476
01:27:54.960 --> 01:27:57.479
really liked what it was. I
still think it was an an okay game.

1477
01:27:57.520 --> 01:28:00.239
But it's like, this isn't at
all you could pick up the bills

1478
01:28:00.279 --> 01:28:03.840
and fling him into the ocean yep
when they angered you. I mean,

1479
01:28:03.880 --> 01:28:08.560
his reputation is already like pretty tattered. This seems like it's been like a

1480
01:28:08.680 --> 01:28:12.680
running gag for a long time.
But you're at that point now where it's

1481
01:28:12.720 --> 01:28:15.960
like the gag hasn't necessarily been funny
for a while, and now that you

1482
01:28:15.039 --> 01:28:20.279
can kind of like backtrace this into
people giving them money based on which is

1483
01:28:20.319 --> 01:28:24.960
not probably not too different than what
Maman who has been doing his entire career

1484
01:28:25.560 --> 01:28:29.840
of going in there pitching his game
to whoever holds the purse strings at a

1485
01:28:29.920 --> 01:28:33.560
Microsoft or and EA or whatever,
promising them the fucking world, and then

1486
01:28:33.960 --> 01:28:36.640
you know, pivoting three or four
times over the course development. It's like

1487
01:28:36.680 --> 01:28:42.000
the Rock Paper Shotgun interview makes it
sound like that's how he's conducted himself this

1488
01:28:42.159 --> 01:28:45.600
whole time. The only difference now
is that it's he's conducted it in a

1489
01:28:45.680 --> 01:28:50.119
very public way and secured money from
individuals out there that are getting kind of

1490
01:28:50.199 --> 01:28:55.279
taken for the first time, where
someone like EA probably got taken a handful

1491
01:28:55.279 --> 01:28:58.239
of times. It doesn't surprise me, though, because I have never met

1492
01:28:58.319 --> 01:29:02.039
anyone in this industry that is better
at trying at selling you on his vision

1493
01:29:02.319 --> 01:29:06.000
or like his genuine enthusiasm for something, even if like like I didn't really

1494
01:29:06.000 --> 01:29:09.199
like People three that much. I
didn't even finish it, Yeah, but

1495
01:29:09.239 --> 01:29:12.079
I remember like interviewing him in like
twenty ten for it or whatever, and

1496
01:29:12.159 --> 01:29:15.439
like he is one of the most
naturally charismatic talkers I've ever seen. Like

1497
01:29:15.680 --> 01:29:19.520
you just want to buy whatever that
guy's selling because you believe that he believes

1498
01:29:19.560 --> 01:29:24.840
in that project. And I expect
that he probably fully does. Yeah,

1499
01:29:24.840 --> 01:29:26.800
I have no reason to doubt that. But you know, like like I

1500
01:29:26.840 --> 01:29:30.159
don't think he's up there trying to
go like no at all, let's get

1501
01:29:30.199 --> 01:29:31.800
on money bull Yeah, but you
know, I think it's that. But

1502
01:29:32.079 --> 01:29:34.960
you know, dreaming big is one
thing, but then going and executing on

1503
01:29:35.039 --> 01:29:39.600
the dreams is quite another. Yeah, you know, and he may not

1504
01:29:39.680 --> 01:29:41.720
be able to hold up that end
of it as well. You know,

1505
01:29:41.880 --> 01:29:45.159
I feel like buying large the games
that he's been associated with haven't necessarily been

1506
01:29:45.279 --> 01:29:47.600
bad. I think Goddess Is is
a pretty bad game right now. I

1507
01:29:47.640 --> 01:29:49.399
don't know if it would never be
good, but like, you know,

1508
01:29:49.479 --> 01:29:53.880
the stuff that Lion had did,
the Frog stuff, like generally speaking,

1509
01:29:54.800 --> 01:29:57.359
you know, whether it's true to
the original vision or not, Like the

1510
01:29:57.439 --> 01:29:59.920
games are still pretty good. Yeah, and he's tried a lot of shit,

1511
01:30:00.399 --> 01:30:01.680
like like a lot of new ideas
have come out of his games,

1512
01:30:01.720 --> 01:30:09.000
whether they worked or not. You
know. So it's just one of those

1513
01:30:09.039 --> 01:30:12.880
things like this thing just becomes nasty
because it's happening in public, because Kickstarter

1514
01:30:13.039 --> 01:30:15.800
is involved. Well, yeah,
it's happening in public, and also people's

1515
01:30:15.880 --> 01:30:18.359
like a lot of individual people's money
is on the line exactly as opposed to

1516
01:30:18.399 --> 01:30:23.000
a big facefus corporation, which can
you afford to write off losses and stuff

1517
01:30:23.039 --> 01:30:25.600
like that. And you know,
granted probably most people put in like fifteen

1518
01:30:25.640 --> 01:30:29.119
twenty bucks or whatever, it's not
going to ruin anybody, but it's still

1519
01:30:30.520 --> 01:30:32.520
you know, I think I saw
Chris Kohler from Wired put it really well

1520
01:30:32.560 --> 01:30:36.199
on Twitter, I think, where
he said something along the lines of basically,

1521
01:30:36.920 --> 01:30:41.640
Kickstarter is not a pre order and
Kickstarter creators should be held to account

1522
01:30:41.760 --> 01:30:45.479
or not like mutually exclusive ideas totally, like you should know going in you're

1523
01:30:45.479 --> 01:30:46.960
not necessarily going to get jack shit
out of the money you put in the

1524
01:30:47.039 --> 01:30:51.119
Kickstarter. But at the same time, people who promise things and get a

1525
01:30:51.119 --> 01:30:56.079
bunch of money for it should be
accountable to that to some degree. Yes,

1526
01:30:57.119 --> 01:31:00.439
you know, absolutely so, I
don't know, we're does that leave

1527
01:31:00.520 --> 01:31:03.520
us like the Kickstarter free money train
I think is super weird? It always

1528
01:31:03.520 --> 01:31:10.479
has been. Yeah, it's yeah, I mean we get I am constantly

1529
01:31:10.560 --> 01:31:15.119
inundated from people that are in desperate
points in their Kickstarter campaigns just trying to

1530
01:31:15.119 --> 01:31:18.600
get people to write about it.
And I was like, no, yeah,

1531
01:31:18.640 --> 01:31:20.279
it makes it. It makes it
hard to the point that like,

1532
01:31:21.560 --> 01:31:25.560
even if there's something you see that
you think looks really cool and would like

1533
01:31:25.680 --> 01:31:28.239
to talk about and put eyes on, like you kind of can't. I

1534
01:31:28.319 --> 01:31:29.720
can't, you know, It's like
I can. You know. It's like

1535
01:31:29.760 --> 01:31:32.359
I've become a fairly decent judge of
pre released products over the past couple of

1536
01:31:32.439 --> 01:31:34.479
decades. I've seen a lot of
them. But even still, just like

1537
01:31:34.760 --> 01:31:36.960
watching someone's pitch video, You're like, I don't even know if this is

1538
01:31:38.039 --> 01:31:43.319
real. I could be a hexan
mod for all I know. I'd back

1539
01:31:43.359 --> 01:31:46.920
that. Yeah, it's a miss. This whole thing is a mess.

1540
01:31:47.479 --> 01:31:51.000
Yeah, and this is not even
And then didn't he give multiple interviews where

1541
01:31:51.479 --> 01:31:56.600
each one he said, this is
my final interview. I think I think

1542
01:31:56.600 --> 01:31:59.640
they're released two where he said I'm
done talking about there was there was the

1543
01:31:59.720 --> 01:32:01.920
now from this Rock Paper Shotgun interview, which I have not read and its

1544
01:32:02.039 --> 01:32:05.359
entirety, and I believe the interview
he gave following that one is the one

1545
01:32:05.399 --> 01:32:09.279
where you said I'm done. I'm
want to say there was at least one

1546
01:32:09.840 --> 01:32:12.000
after he said he was done.
Yeah, that's the one with the Guardian.

1547
01:32:12.039 --> 01:32:15.000
That's what I'm talking about. Well, no, maybe you're right.

1548
01:32:15.760 --> 01:32:17.920
I don't know if I can't keep
up with the bread crunch trail, but

1549
01:32:19.479 --> 01:32:23.239
I don't know what is It's like
they you know, he's he's been out

1550
01:32:23.239 --> 01:32:25.000
there talking about this stuff a little
bit, and like, you know,

1551
01:32:25.159 --> 01:32:30.279
the time frame that he gives for
god us coming together into something resembling what

1552
01:32:30.359 --> 01:32:34.680
it's supposed to be is quote months
and months and months. So well that's

1553
01:32:34.720 --> 01:32:39.079
not years and years and years.
Well it could be. I guess it

1554
01:32:39.119 --> 01:32:41.840
could be get enough months together it
turns into years. Wait a minute,

1555
01:32:42.640 --> 01:32:47.079
I don't want to alarm you.
He's fun in me here. Uh yeah,

1556
01:32:47.239 --> 01:32:51.239
you know, there's it's in the
wake of that interview, it turned

1557
01:32:51.239 --> 01:32:56.239
into a whole different, ugly thing. Yeah, that's gotten even nastier and

1558
01:32:58.840 --> 01:33:00.520
became difficult to keep track of everything
that was being said. At some point

1559
01:33:00.520 --> 01:33:04.840
interview. I would be curious to
which it's it's. It seems it comes

1560
01:33:04.880 --> 01:33:10.159
across as extremely standoffish. Uh you
know, go over to rock paper shot,

1561
01:33:10.199 --> 01:33:14.479
going to read it's it's it's interesting
regardless, I'm not gonna, you

1562
01:33:14.560 --> 01:33:16.199
know, weigh in on there's the
total appropriate or not, because I don't

1563
01:33:16.279 --> 01:33:19.720
know I don't. I don't really
know him Alan. I don't know either

1564
01:33:20.000 --> 01:33:23.960
the parties involved, And I would
be interested to hear if there was an

1565
01:33:23.960 --> 01:33:28.319
audio recording of that, if it
actually is as tense and crazy as the

1566
01:33:28.439 --> 01:33:32.199
text the texts scrant transcript makes it
sound, or if they're like they've known

1567
01:33:32.239 --> 01:33:35.159
each other for a while and on
some level they're kind of fun and but

1568
01:33:35.319 --> 01:33:39.680
kind of serious, or you know, whatever it is. But I think

1569
01:33:39.680 --> 01:33:42.920
it's hard to kind of weigh in
on that without knowing that piece of it.

1570
01:33:43.079 --> 01:33:49.439
But regardless, I mean, yeah, that goddess is not a quality

1571
01:33:49.520 --> 01:33:54.479
product at the moment, and you
know, will it ever become one?

1572
01:33:55.199 --> 01:34:00.600
Like I don't think so who can
say? And who knows what's will become

1573
01:34:00.640 --> 01:34:03.880
of mal New's reputation well and career. But like you know, if you

1574
01:34:03.960 --> 01:34:06.720
look like you talk about his reputation, but like you know, it's not

1575
01:34:06.840 --> 01:34:12.000
like he was gonna like how many
companies would be willing to like do business

1576
01:34:12.079 --> 01:34:14.920
with Malan New, you know,
post lion Head and stuff like that.

1577
01:34:15.000 --> 01:34:16.640
I mean, he probably wouldn't start
his own company because it's not like no

1578
01:34:16.720 --> 01:34:20.000
one's lining up to give him enough
money to start a new studio and fund

1579
01:34:20.039 --> 01:34:24.079
a whole new project. At this
point, he's done it enough times to

1580
01:34:24.239 --> 01:34:27.239
enough different companies that at some point
they're probably like, you know, and

1581
01:34:27.359 --> 01:34:30.000
that's we like Peter, We like
that he you know, he's he's a

1582
01:34:30.039 --> 01:34:31.359
great face for this stuff, and
we can bring him out and do this,

1583
01:34:31.479 --> 01:34:33.680
but the some of the things that
come along with it maybe not worth

1584
01:34:33.720 --> 01:34:40.039
the investment. And and you know, at some point you gotta get out

1585
01:34:40.039 --> 01:34:42.479
on your own, because yes,
it's the only way it's gonna go,

1586
01:34:42.600 --> 01:34:44.439
right Yeah, but you know,
after this hubbub, like, it's hard

1587
01:34:44.439 --> 01:34:46.199
to see how he could turn into
crowdfunding again. Totally exactly, Yeah,

1588
01:34:46.199 --> 01:34:48.680
I mean, yo, yes,
I mean, who's gonna back a Molan

1589
01:34:48.760 --> 01:34:51.520
new project again after this? Right? That? That's your you know,

1590
01:34:51.760 --> 01:34:55.640
which is why it's doubly crazy to
hear that he's starting up yet another new

1591
01:34:55.720 --> 01:35:00.720
project right now, right right,
because because a thing you said you were

1592
01:35:00.760 --> 01:35:02.359
going to do wasn't done yet,
and be where's the money from going to

1593
01:35:02.399 --> 01:35:08.000
come from for that? But who
knows? Time will tell. I suppose

1594
01:35:09.399 --> 01:35:11.560
not much to do if you back
to got us at this point, but

1595
01:35:11.640 --> 01:35:15.920
sit back and wait, Yeah,
I guess, yeah, it's crazy times.

1596
01:35:16.319 --> 01:35:20.640
Yeah, uh, you know what
else is crazy? Sony says,

1597
01:35:20.680 --> 01:35:25.640
the Last Guardian is still in development. Wasn't there. I saw a bunch

1598
01:35:25.640 --> 01:35:28.680
of tweets recently saying that yes,
trademark ran out again or whatever, but

1599
01:35:28.800 --> 01:35:30.960
so yeah, I was. I
was about to put that story in the

1600
01:35:30.039 --> 01:35:33.079
list of news for this week,
but then Sony had just followed up.

1601
01:35:34.239 --> 01:35:36.359
So yeah, the big headline was
like, oh, Sony, let the

1602
01:35:36.560 --> 01:35:40.600
Last Guardian trademark lapse. It's it's
done. I feel like that headline is

1603
01:35:40.600 --> 01:35:43.840
popped up like every two or three
years. All this was different because they've

1604
01:35:43.840 --> 01:35:47.000
always renewed it, but this time
they basically abandoned it. They had like

1605
01:35:47.079 --> 01:35:50.399
their two month window to renew it
or whatever, and someone forgotten did not

1606
01:35:50.520 --> 01:35:53.399
I forgot to say, no,
we're still doing that. So yeah,

1607
01:35:53.439 --> 01:35:55.840
they Sony came out and said yes, A, yes, we're still making

1608
01:35:55.840 --> 01:35:59.399
the game. B It was an
administrative issue or something to that effect that

1609
01:36:00.800 --> 01:36:05.600
supposedly allowed if the trademark two laps. But that's kind of all there is

1610
01:36:05.720 --> 01:36:11.479
to say there. It was a
good twelve sixteen hours of people going ape

1611
01:36:11.479 --> 01:36:14.800
shit, like oh God, they're
finally killing it, and then here they

1612
01:36:14.880 --> 01:36:16.880
come again saying Yep, we're still
making it. It'll come out. Fucking

1613
01:36:17.039 --> 01:36:20.680
what is it? Who's making it? I don't know. It doesn't matter.

1614
01:36:23.520 --> 01:36:26.000
It matters insofar as I would like
them to release it so we can

1615
01:36:26.039 --> 01:36:29.000
move on with our lives. It's
like it's just straight up Duke. It

1616
01:36:29.079 --> 01:36:31.399
is absolutely Duke of them forever.
But hopefully this will be a good game.

1617
01:36:32.359 --> 01:36:36.399
I don't know. I'm gonna guess
it'll be out by holiday. Hopefully

1618
01:36:36.479 --> 01:36:41.479
every game is a good game.
Never like they never ever want a game

1619
01:36:41.560 --> 01:36:45.520
to be bad, Yeah, because
you know, every if more games are

1620
01:36:45.520 --> 01:36:47.279
good, everybody benefits. Like it's
insane for people to go like, why

1621
01:36:47.279 --> 01:36:48.800
would you want it to be bad? Like, you don't want it to

1622
01:36:48.880 --> 01:36:54.439
be bad, but if it is
bad, you might as well at least

1623
01:36:54.439 --> 01:36:58.840
derive some entertainment value from its release. So this is the Duke forever or

1624
01:36:58.960 --> 01:37:01.600
Chinese Democracy of the industry, right, sure, kind of. I'm gonna

1625
01:37:01.600 --> 01:37:03.920
guess I think it's hard with this
one because I feel like they haven't shown

1626
01:37:04.159 --> 01:37:08.479
enough of it. For there's only
status for a handful of trailers. Because

1627
01:37:08.479 --> 01:37:11.079
he had Duke had a bunch of
E three trailers come back like what ninety

1628
01:37:11.119 --> 01:37:14.920
seven or something. Yeah, I
mean Duke was in oh what was it.

1629
01:37:15.359 --> 01:37:17.800
Duke's in development for god like twelve
years or something before it finally came

1630
01:37:17.840 --> 01:37:20.279
out over fourteen. I want to
say, like, this only got announced

1631
01:37:20.600 --> 01:37:25.159
five years ago, six five,
six, two thousand and nine is when

1632
01:37:25.199 --> 01:37:28.600
it was announced. Seen, it
feels like we've been living with the Last

1633
01:37:28.640 --> 01:37:30.600
Guardian a lot longer. Yes,
yeah, all you're saying Holiday twenty seventeen,

1634
01:37:30.760 --> 01:37:35.800
that's where my money's gone. I
can bet twenty seventeen, Holiday twenty

1635
01:37:35.840 --> 01:37:39.119
seventeen. I'm not gonna make a
bet for something that might not happen for

1636
01:37:39.279 --> 01:37:42.600
years and years, because who knows
it will be out in calendar year twenty

1637
01:37:42.640 --> 01:37:45.920
seventeen. I would I'm gonna say
twenty sixteen. You sound really confidable about

1638
01:37:45.920 --> 01:37:47.880
that. Oh, I would say
twenty sixteen if I had to, if

1639
01:37:47.880 --> 01:37:50.600
I had to put money on it, that would be my guests, because

1640
01:37:50.600 --> 01:37:53.960
they have to look at you have
to look at the timetable by which they've

1641
01:37:54.039 --> 01:37:56.880
been talking about it as a thing
that like, oh no, we're just

1642
01:37:56.960 --> 01:38:00.239
waiting to reintroduce it. We have
some stuff in mind like that. Look

1643
01:38:00.279 --> 01:38:02.880
at that dev cycle, like that
was Day one twenty sixteen makes sense.

1644
01:38:03.359 --> 01:38:06.359
I mean, you know, re
announced that the three released this holiday is

1645
01:38:06.439 --> 01:38:09.920
not out out of the realm,
and I think it could be out this

1646
01:38:10.000 --> 01:38:12.720
year absolutely. Yeah, I like
that. We all seem pretty confident though

1647
01:38:12.720 --> 01:38:14.920
that it'll be out within the next
couple of years. That that's good.

1648
01:38:15.119 --> 01:38:16.560
I don't think it's every coming again. All right, Drew's the one in

1649
01:38:16.560 --> 01:38:21.680
the center here, Okay, that
would be really disappointed. Yeah. Again,

1650
01:38:21.800 --> 01:38:25.399
we don't know enough about it.
I guess on some level, but

1651
01:38:25.560 --> 01:38:27.720
is it even that game anymore?
Because on some level you're like, that's

1652
01:38:27.760 --> 01:38:29.960
what I'm saying. I want the
people that made Eco to make more games

1653
01:38:29.960 --> 01:38:31.319
because that was a legendary game.
Blah blah blah blah blah. And then

1654
01:38:31.479 --> 01:38:33.840
but is it still that No?
Well, so I was gonna say,

1655
01:38:33.920 --> 01:38:38.600
like, you know, uh waita
said Fumi Toda, who is the kind

1656
01:38:38.640 --> 01:38:43.439
of the guy the director has in
the past, said that his contribution to

1657
01:38:43.600 --> 01:38:46.279
the project was completed quote a long
time ago, and then he gave an

1658
01:38:46.359 --> 01:38:48.680
interview in December. I guess,
so far as he's concerned, it was

1659
01:38:48.680 --> 01:38:51.960
a persistent world god game where you
tap on the collems to make dots appear,

1660
01:38:53.039 --> 01:38:54.920
and he was like, fuck it, I'm making this other thing now.

1661
01:38:55.199 --> 01:38:58.119
So I guess In an interview that
he gave in December, he said

1662
01:38:58.279 --> 01:39:02.800
that development of the game was moving
forward under quote completely new conditions. So

1663
01:39:02.920 --> 01:39:08.439
whether that means it moved from PS
three to PS four or it's referring more

1664
01:39:08.520 --> 01:39:11.960
to the group of people working on
it, right, Yeah, point Sony

1665
01:39:11.960 --> 01:39:14.239
steps in and says we've put a
lot of Yeah, Buckethead comes out,

1666
01:39:14.439 --> 01:39:15.640
yeah, and says we've put a
lot of money into this project. You

1667
01:39:15.760 --> 01:39:20.039
need to step the fuck aside so
we can do our jobs. Possible,

1668
01:39:20.119 --> 01:39:23.760
Yeah, maybe, very possible.
I mean when you think about like,

1669
01:39:23.960 --> 01:39:26.199
you know, it's just a japan
studio, just like a lot of the

1670
01:39:26.520 --> 01:39:30.000
stuff coming out of Sony's Japanese arm
has been weird lately, you know,

1671
01:39:30.119 --> 01:39:32.279
you look at the earthquake. You
know, it's like all kinds of stuff

1672
01:39:32.319 --> 01:39:34.960
that has happened over those last five
years or however long it's been. Yeah,

1673
01:39:35.520 --> 01:39:39.279
I mean I said it would be
disappointing if it didn't come out,

1674
01:39:39.560 --> 01:39:44.800
and you said, really, Uh, to clarify, I have abandoned any

1675
01:39:44.880 --> 01:39:46.800
expectations that the game will be good. Yeah, I just want to know

1676
01:39:46.920 --> 01:39:50.000
what it turns out to be,
Like, it would be very disappointing to

1677
01:39:50.159 --> 01:39:55.119
never see an end result from yes, like at some point it's more of

1678
01:39:55.159 --> 01:39:58.359
a historical curiosity or a novelty,
yeah, than it is like, Oh,

1679
01:39:58.399 --> 01:40:00.239
I think this game is gonna be
amazing and like the like the you

1680
01:40:00.279 --> 01:40:03.960
know, kind of creative embodiment of
one man's vision or whatever. You know,

1681
01:40:04.159 --> 01:40:06.960
like this thing may have been deluded
eighteen times, and this one you

1682
01:40:08.039 --> 01:40:12.159
hold hands with the monsters. They're
combining both, Okay, but when the

1683
01:40:12.159 --> 01:40:15.399
monster gets to level three, man's
just gonna hold both of his hands unbeatable.

1684
01:40:17.159 --> 01:40:19.199
Yeah, you know it just it
would be nice for there to be

1685
01:40:19.359 --> 01:40:23.600
some kind of coda to this dumb
saga. I do like that we still

1686
01:40:23.600 --> 01:40:27.279
have these mythical beings. Yeah,
you gotta have at least one that didn't

1687
01:40:27.319 --> 01:40:30.199
give it time, you know,
Matt half Live three. Yeah. Yeah,

1688
01:40:30.199 --> 01:40:32.439
I guess that video games continue to
be difficult to make. You want

1689
01:40:32.479 --> 01:40:35.920
to put your you want to put
calendar year on half five three? Nope,

1690
01:40:36.000 --> 01:40:40.279
Holiday twenty seventeen, nope. Fucking
come on, man, it's gonna

1691
01:40:40.279 --> 01:40:43.000
be a big holiday. See Valve. Valve doesn't give a shit about holiday

1692
01:40:43.039 --> 01:40:47.920
releases. Twenty seventeen calendar year.
I will agree with you that twenty seventeen

1693
01:40:47.960 --> 01:40:53.560
seems like the right year. Okay, all right, but it's twenty fifteen

1694
01:40:53.600 --> 01:40:57.279
now right, Yeah, yeah,
that's fear. Yeah, I'm gonna say

1695
01:40:57.319 --> 01:41:00.399
twenty seventeen, cool with you?
Cool, all right, okay. And

1696
01:41:00.479 --> 01:41:01.800
it will not be announced ahead of
time. It will just come out.

1697
01:41:02.000 --> 01:41:05.479
It's gonna be bro home. We're
gonna get a press release and then like

1698
01:41:05.520 --> 01:41:09.760
a week later it's out. Seven
will just get like an email from Doug

1699
01:41:09.800 --> 01:41:11.840
Lombardi saying like, hey, half
Live three's out. I don't know.

1700
01:41:12.000 --> 01:41:14.079
That'd be awesome. I would love
that. Are you guys? Are you

1701
01:41:14.119 --> 01:41:16.600
guys sold on it being Half Life
three? I think it'd be way funnier

1702
01:41:16.680 --> 01:41:20.680
if they just finally put out a
Half Life two episode three four same source

1703
01:41:20.720 --> 01:41:24.000
engines because they did say it was
going to be a trilogy of episodes,

1704
01:41:24.079 --> 01:41:27.800
right, did they say? I
don't know what they said. I'm positively

1705
01:41:27.800 --> 01:41:30.600
announcement. There's a specific talk from
people at Valve where they use terms like

1706
01:41:30.760 --> 01:41:33.279
episode three yeah, and I want
to say that. There was also a

1707
01:41:33.319 --> 01:41:36.439
specific talk after that saying like yeah, the episodic modeling. Oh, like

1708
01:41:36.520 --> 01:41:40.720
they had said publicly like we're not
going to do that again. Yeah,

1709
01:41:40.760 --> 01:41:44.199
maybe not interesting, Okay, I
don't know at this point. That's a

1710
01:41:44.239 --> 01:41:48.079
hard paper trail to especially like the
reported stuff and unreported stuff. It's like

1711
01:41:48.119 --> 01:41:50.520
all this stuff in the middle,
like it's a lot of weird ship that's

1712
01:41:50.520 --> 01:41:56.920
absolutely true. Also, I will
say, just like Duke Forever and Last

1713
01:41:56.960 --> 01:42:00.520
Guardian, Half Life three is more
of a curiosity to me at this point

1714
01:42:00.600 --> 01:42:05.159
that anything I actually want to play, absolutely just like I will play it.

1715
01:42:05.239 --> 01:42:08.880
I'm curious to see what it is, but kind of don't care anymore.

1716
01:42:09.039 --> 01:42:13.279
I'm not a yes, I want
to believe I have a healthy,

1717
01:42:13.399 --> 01:42:17.199
distant respect for Half Life that is
completely detected. You want to make it

1718
01:42:17.439 --> 01:42:20.239
so good, you want to make
another one good, you want to not

1719
01:42:20.319 --> 01:42:23.720
make another one good. I don't
care. Yeah, make it. Do

1720
01:42:23.840 --> 01:42:26.520
what you want to do, do
something. Half Life one hugely important to

1721
01:42:26.560 --> 01:42:29.720
the history video games. Half Life
two a very good game that is consistently

1722
01:42:30.039 --> 01:42:33.520
kind of overrated by everybody except for
me. Physics, it is important.

1723
01:42:33.560 --> 01:42:39.920
The physics of Half Life two important, but like it was not a fucking

1724
01:42:40.000 --> 01:42:43.760
ce change the way that the Half
Life one was no Like Half Life one

1725
01:42:43.920 --> 01:42:45.520
was like, here is a structure
that you have never fucking seen in the

1726
01:42:45.520 --> 01:42:48.199
first person shooter before. Guess I
don't know, Like here is an entire

1727
01:42:48.279 --> 01:42:53.000
new way of telling a story in
this type of action game that has never

1728
01:42:53.119 --> 01:42:57.399
been done. At the time,
I had the fucking went for it again.

1729
01:42:57.439 --> 01:43:00.439
Maybe it's just a virtue of me
not liking the game that much.

1730
01:43:00.520 --> 01:43:03.279
But at no point playing Half Life
one was I like, this is driving

1731
01:43:03.319 --> 01:43:06.640
things forward. I was just like, man, it's no okay, shooter,

1732
01:43:06.760 --> 01:43:11.319
Sin did it? Yeah, I
want to talk about a game Sin.

1733
01:43:11.600 --> 01:43:15.359
Look, I love Sin. Come
on, I can't it Jeff,

1734
01:43:15.720 --> 01:43:19.880
alright, fair enough, But yeah, I don't know. At no point

1735
01:43:19.960 --> 01:43:24.720
playing Half Life one was I likely
did I feel like the whole time playing

1736
01:43:24.720 --> 01:43:27.279
Half Life two, I was like, this is amazing. Yeah it was.

1737
01:43:27.359 --> 01:43:29.920
I mean, yeah, it was
a really impressive game, but it

1738
01:43:30.039 --> 01:43:32.079
was more incremental than the first one, you know, in terms of kind

1739
01:43:32.079 --> 01:43:36.439
of what it added to the genre
anyway, But I forget the genre,

1740
01:43:36.560 --> 01:43:40.279
like I think Half Live two is
importance has nothing to do with shooters and

1741
01:43:40.279 --> 01:43:42.239
all that sort of stuff, Like
yeah, whatever, it had this open

1742
01:43:42.279 --> 01:43:45.840
world vehicle bullshit, pacing stuff.
It's it's literally the physics. It's what

1743
01:43:46.000 --> 01:43:49.119
that game did for physics that then
everyone did in every game after that.

1744
01:43:49.279 --> 01:43:54.239
Like, that's the stuff, uh
that that is important about Half Live two

1745
01:43:54.399 --> 01:43:58.840
still, and I'd say that stuff
to me in two games that that followed,

1746
01:43:58.840 --> 01:44:00.159
I'd say, that's more important than
what Half Life one did. Are

1747
01:44:00.199 --> 01:44:03.600
you saying without Half Life two,
there's no psy ops? Yea all right

1748
01:44:04.159 --> 01:44:06.800
case, just make it sure here, Okay, now I hear what you're

1749
01:44:06.840 --> 01:44:13.000
saying. Last already out, that
will come out sometime. Let's move on

1750
01:44:14.439 --> 01:44:18.720
a four. Yeah, all right, our last and most important story.

1751
01:44:19.640 --> 01:44:24.520
I want to hear each of your
hot ideas. And I know you've been

1752
01:44:24.560 --> 01:44:30.600
sitting on for years for the following
ips GEX an acronox or fear effect.

1753
01:44:31.960 --> 01:44:39.039
What is the second one? You've
never heard of? An acronox. It's

1754
01:44:39.039 --> 01:44:41.920
a real time strategy game that I
on Storm. It's an RPG, it's

1755
01:44:41.920 --> 01:44:45.039
a JPG. It's uh so,
Tom Hall, one of the guys who

1756
01:44:45.640 --> 01:44:49.800
made Doom left and went to Eye
on Storm was the RTS Didion Storm.

1757
01:44:50.600 --> 01:44:58.479
That was God's Dominion Storm over Gifts
seven. I believe just read all kinds

1758
01:44:58.520 --> 01:45:01.079
of weird shit about if you dig
in to that Dallas Observer article from years

1759
01:45:01.119 --> 01:45:05.279
ago, right, uh, an
Acronox was Tom Hall's kind of love letters

1760
01:45:05.279 --> 01:45:10.560
to Japanese RPGs built with the Quake
two engine. Was it PC only?

1761
01:45:10.720 --> 01:45:13.399
Yes? Okay, everything he just
said explains why I have not heard of

1762
01:45:13.439 --> 01:45:15.920
that. Did it? Ever?
It never came out on an I don't

1763
01:45:15.920 --> 01:45:20.960
think it did. But yeah,
they basically gets on sixty four, the

1764
01:45:21.000 --> 01:45:26.399
Predio game that eventually came to other
They made numerous GUS games, but only

1765
01:45:26.479 --> 01:45:30.079
only one in that Secret Agent GEX
entered the Gecko. There Graham in one,

1766
01:45:30.239 --> 01:45:32.479
or just a girl that looked like
Heather Grahm. They never selling it,

1767
01:45:32.560 --> 01:45:34.800
and there's a girl on the thing. Danta Gould was the voice of

1768
01:45:34.840 --> 01:45:40.760
GEX. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was on numerous systems. He

1769
01:45:40.800 --> 01:45:43.680
had sunglasses. Yep. He was
a Gecko. He was. He was

1770
01:45:43.760 --> 01:45:46.239
the Geico Lizard, but a video
game character. You know. GEX was

1771
01:45:46.319 --> 01:45:51.680
a platform. The mascot also ran
yeah in the area in an era that

1772
01:45:51.760 --> 01:45:58.560
was rotten with lover post Bubsy world. Yes. Uh. The reason I

1773
01:45:58.640 --> 01:46:02.760
bring this up is that Square Enix
is out there taking pitches for people's ideas

1774
01:46:02.800 --> 01:46:08.119
about what to do with these properties
Gus versus air, four skaters, five

1775
01:46:08.159 --> 01:46:13.199
pitch m They don't meet, They
don't mention any any cross licensing, trans

1776
01:46:13.319 --> 01:46:16.079
media opportunities. I gotta stay with
N square. So you might be uh,

1777
01:46:16.840 --> 01:46:21.319
might be sol on that one is
there? Does anybody want new Gux

1778
01:46:21.399 --> 01:46:25.279
games or even fear for that matter, Come up with a great new guess

1779
01:46:25.359 --> 01:46:27.560
idea and maybe they will. Like
Fear Effect is a thing that, like

1780
01:46:27.680 --> 01:46:30.520
at the time, was very interesting
and had an edge to it that a

1781
01:46:30.600 --> 01:46:35.720
lot of games didn't have. But
I remember it's marketing campaign was Yeah,

1782
01:46:35.840 --> 01:46:39.039
I don't I know, I know
very little about Fear Effect. They were

1783
01:46:39.039 --> 01:46:42.079
playing up the sex angle, like, yeah, elevator scene, all that

1784
01:46:42.119 --> 01:46:44.880
sort of. All I remember was
their shitty marketing campaign. I don't even

1785
01:46:44.920 --> 01:46:46.880
know anything about what the second one. I think the second ones where they

1786
01:46:47.000 --> 01:46:49.159
really ramped up that stuff. I
think. So, I think you're right,

1787
01:46:50.039 --> 01:46:54.119
But I feel like there's nothing to
pull from all right, mean whatever,

1788
01:46:54.399 --> 01:46:56.359
not to say there are no stories
and things to that game, but

1789
01:46:56.479 --> 01:47:00.640
like making a new Fear Effect,
like you might as well as be starting

1790
01:47:00.680 --> 01:47:03.920
over. Yeah, I feel like
the brand affinity is barely there. I

1791
01:47:04.000 --> 01:47:06.439
feel like it would be like when
they made spec Ops the line and it

1792
01:47:06.520 --> 01:47:10.119
was like, do you really need
spec Ops on there? It would be

1793
01:47:10.199 --> 01:47:17.560
a lot like that. Yeah,
whereas like Gus, everyone knows Gus's staying

1794
01:47:17.640 --> 01:47:20.399
gould Up too. I don't know. I don't know. That's a good

1795
01:47:20.479 --> 01:47:23.600
question. Is he still on Simpsons? No, he's on there for a

1796
01:47:23.640 --> 01:47:28.279
long time writing. Oh I think
he's long gone from that. Okay,

1797
01:47:28.880 --> 01:47:30.640
so he's pretty good live. Yeah, I've seen him. He's good.

1798
01:47:30.800 --> 01:47:34.399
Yeah, he's maybe better than a
lot of people give him credit for.

1799
01:47:35.079 --> 01:47:40.239
Uh. So there are a lot
of steps in between here, but but

1800
01:47:40.479 --> 01:47:43.359
generally, the idea is your picture
idea to square. They put it up

1801
01:47:43.479 --> 01:47:47.079
vote if it gets enough attention and
they like it. What wait, they're

1802
01:47:47.079 --> 01:47:50.319
building some kind of fucking reality show
around this bullshit They're they're putting it in

1803
01:47:50.399 --> 01:47:54.000
front of the community to vote on, almost like a steam green light type

1804
01:47:54.039 --> 01:48:00.479
thing. From the sound of Okay, Gus crash lands on a planet and

1805
01:48:00.600 --> 01:48:05.520
a spaceship splits into a bunch of
different parts. How h he came from

1806
01:48:05.600 --> 01:48:11.079
the planet Gexitron. I'm liking this
and uh, he has to go around

1807
01:48:11.439 --> 01:48:13.840
uh and find a piece of a
spaceship and then find an elevator, and

1808
01:48:13.840 --> 01:48:15.359
then that elevator takes him to a
different plane. So this is a reboot

1809
01:48:16.680 --> 01:48:19.920
to reimagine going going back to the
origin story of the lizard. Yeah,

1810
01:48:20.800 --> 01:48:24.920
I can't tell if you're referencing Pickman
or grow Home because both of them kind

1811
01:48:24.920 --> 01:48:30.680
of have the similar brand new No, if you fall down, there's a

1812
01:48:30.720 --> 01:48:32.479
hot tub. All right, if
you fall down, there's a hot tub.

1813
01:48:32.520 --> 01:48:36.960
I'm in. I'm sold. Is
it limited? Yes? The hell

1814
01:48:38.000 --> 01:48:44.680
are you guys talking about tomatoes?
I would probably take Guts and just insert

1815
01:48:44.800 --> 01:48:50.560
him into a pastiche or a melding
of a ton of different Final Fantasy games,

1816
01:48:51.159 --> 01:48:57.319
like re envisioned Final Fantasy stories,
but have guts somehow leaving his way

1817
01:48:57.439 --> 01:49:01.560
through the cannon, inserting himself into
these situations. And why is cracking about

1818
01:49:01.600 --> 01:49:04.880
how dumb they all was? That
always was like it was kind of media

1819
01:49:05.000 --> 01:49:09.439
parody, always the guess gimmick or
was that only later on? I feel

1820
01:49:09.520 --> 01:49:12.960
like one of them he was one
game specifically, I think was that it

1821
01:49:13.079 --> 01:49:15.560
wasn't always it was like surfing through
tannels and stuff and like getting inserted them

1822
01:49:15.640 --> 01:49:19.039
different movies and stuff. Yeah,
okay, Yeah, so I would I

1823
01:49:19.079 --> 01:49:21.880
would do that. That That is
my pitch. All right, So that's

1824
01:49:21.920 --> 01:49:26.119
the Final Fantasy seven remake we get, yes, exactly, you you re

1825
01:49:26.319 --> 01:49:29.359
you redo a lot of Final Fantasy
seven assets in New High Rez. But

1826
01:49:29.439 --> 01:49:32.359
it's for a fucking guess game.
Like they put the full budget they would

1827
01:49:32.399 --> 01:49:35.560
put towards an actual remake of seven. But you have to play a game

1828
01:49:35.600 --> 01:49:39.680
I want to fucking twenty minutes summon
animation that at the end of it's just

1829
01:49:39.800 --> 01:49:44.359
a bigger lizard. Well, unfortunately
for you, squar is not willing to

1830
01:49:44.399 --> 01:49:48.399
put any money against these ideas.
Oh fantastic because once you go through yeah,

1831
01:49:49.119 --> 01:49:53.520
like what, once you go through
this process of having the community vet

1832
01:49:53.560 --> 01:49:57.479
your idea and then having them sign
off on it, and you actually get

1833
01:49:57.479 --> 01:49:59.560
to the point that they're gonna let
you make the game you want to make.

1834
01:49:59.720 --> 01:50:03.520
Yeah, you have to go crowdfunded? Fuck you wait? What off?

1835
01:50:03.720 --> 01:50:08.199
Yes, if the response is good, then it's onto crowdfunding, which

1836
01:50:08.279 --> 01:50:11.319
no doubt begs an important question.
Why ask gamers to pay for a game

1837
01:50:11.359 --> 01:50:15.520
to be made if it's using our
ip Well, because it was still we're

1838
01:50:15.640 --> 01:50:17.319
too scared. Well here's the I
mean, yeah, so well, because

1839
01:50:17.359 --> 01:50:20.159
it will still be the responsibility of
the independent developer to build the game,

1840
01:50:20.199 --> 01:50:26.880
and the developer will still be the
key beneficiary of its success. I don't

1841
01:50:26.880 --> 01:50:30.720
know if you guys care about percentages, I can keep going. On the

1842
01:50:30.760 --> 01:50:33.279
business side, We'll still take five
percent of net crowdfunds raised, assuming the

1843
01:50:33.319 --> 01:50:36.760
initial target is reached, and we
will also distribute the game when it's done.

1844
01:50:36.840 --> 01:50:40.880
For that, we take the standard
distribution fee of ten percent net sales

1845
01:50:40.920 --> 01:50:44.159
revenue, but will also charge a
ten percent license fee for the use of

1846
01:50:44.199 --> 01:50:48.079
the IP And obviously we'll have more
involvement in the direction of development because let's

1847
01:50:48.079 --> 01:50:53.359
fake it. Sorry, let's face
it. We want to make sure the

1848
01:50:53.399 --> 01:50:56.239
game that's released is the game that's
promised. So like I liked it,

1849
01:50:56.279 --> 01:50:58.399
it's written in a very standard language
of like, let's face it, this

1850
01:50:58.479 --> 01:51:01.199
thing's fuck. Let's face it.
We're being crazy. Let's face it.

1851
01:51:01.279 --> 01:51:04.000
We want to taste at the front
and the back. I mean, the

1852
01:51:04.079 --> 01:51:08.079
way they sum it up is that
that means the developer will keep eight percent

1853
01:51:08.159 --> 01:51:11.159
of the net revenue from sales of
the game. And who knows, maybe

1854
01:51:11.199 --> 01:51:14.119
we'll be interested in licensing a c
quel as well. Who knows. Wait,

1855
01:51:14.199 --> 01:51:16.600
so do you pitch the idea and
they develop it or do you have

1856
01:51:16.720 --> 01:51:19.119
to have a development team ready to
make the idea? No, I think

1857
01:51:19.159 --> 01:51:21.560
that's all on you. So like, if I want to do that,

1858
01:51:21.600 --> 01:51:26.720
I would have to have a developer
pitching stuff. But it's not enough.

1859
01:51:26.960 --> 01:51:30.279
Like this is this is like the
equivalent of like them doing g DC meetings

1860
01:51:30.520 --> 01:51:32.479
but doing it on their fucking message
boards. But you still need to develop

1861
01:51:32.520 --> 01:51:38.920
the game yourself. And best case
scenario, I get twenty percent, which

1862
01:51:38.960 --> 01:51:42.479
is like you get to use the
guest's name. They're skimming, they're skimming

1863
01:51:42.520 --> 01:51:45.199
five percent of the crowd funds and
then they're taking so specifically those three ips

1864
01:51:45.239 --> 01:51:48.000
where they just like use those as
examples of just like we have a lot

1865
01:51:48.199 --> 01:51:53.039
of fucking dumb ship. Oh,
they specifically list out those three ips Urban

1866
01:51:53.159 --> 01:51:55.680
Chaos, and they say, we
have more ips than we may open up

1867
01:51:55.720 --> 01:51:58.880
in the future, but we'll start
with these and see what the response is.

1868
01:51:58.920 --> 01:52:03.920
Like, So, what is your
favorite lapsed IDOS franchise and the like

1869
01:52:04.000 --> 01:52:11.720
see come Back Kane and Lynch.
There you go. By time, they

1870
01:52:11.760 --> 01:52:15.439
made a third one of those,
they do backyard wrestling, They did doc

1871
01:52:15.960 --> 01:52:18.439
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there
you go. No, no, no,

1872
01:52:19.000 --> 01:52:21.680
don't want to bring the i CP
out of retirement and want to care

1873
01:52:21.720 --> 01:52:27.359
about legacy of Kine anymore. Uh, I don't do. They're still doing

1874
01:52:27.399 --> 01:52:32.560
that. They made something like weird
multiplayer Scotty is said in that universe is

1875
01:52:32.760 --> 01:52:35.399
yeah, never gonna come out.
I think I think it's like still in

1876
01:52:35.479 --> 01:52:41.399
beta. Okay, I'm not sure
specifically. It's a weird thing. You

1877
01:52:41.479 --> 01:52:45.479
know, the Genesis version of Strider
two. I think that's technically oddos a

1878
01:52:45.680 --> 01:52:47.960
US gold or something. Is that
the same game as the PlayStation Strider two?

1879
01:52:48.119 --> 01:52:50.840
Okay, because the PlayStation Strider two
is really good. Yeah, that

1880
01:52:51.079 --> 01:52:55.159
was an arcade game. Originally it
was like all kind of official and on

1881
01:52:55.199 --> 01:52:59.199
the up and up. This was
like they licensed out and had some other

1882
01:52:59.239 --> 01:53:03.760
people make it. This like the
Snake's Revenge. Yeah, okay, Yeah,

1883
01:53:03.800 --> 01:53:06.960
this is an odd thing. Yeah, that's a really weird, really

1884
01:53:08.039 --> 01:53:10.800
curious, really weird thing for Square
to do. Yeah, really curious to

1885
01:53:10.800 --> 01:53:13.199
see what games, if any,
come out of this this thing. I

1886
01:53:13.199 --> 01:53:15.520
should let people do, like a
New Day of Sex game. People might

1887
01:53:15.560 --> 01:53:19.600
actually want that. Yeah, that
name is probably way too too valuable to

1888
01:53:19.720 --> 01:53:23.640
just turn over. Well, what
I is, what I was getting at

1889
01:53:23.680 --> 01:53:27.439
there is that they are probably doing
that and should just fucking do that maybe,

1890
01:53:27.520 --> 01:53:29.840
if I mean, assuming they already
are, like get on with it.

1891
01:53:29.960 --> 01:53:32.199
Oh well, it's probably happening anyway
you would think, you would think.

1892
01:53:32.359 --> 01:53:35.199
But at the same time, it
feels like that enough time has passed

1893
01:53:35.279 --> 01:53:40.399
that they like the heat they gained
by that games, that last game's popularity

1894
01:53:41.600 --> 01:53:44.680
isn't there as much, and I'm
like, what three plus years since I

1895
01:53:44.920 --> 01:53:45.920
came out, like they'd be able
to rekindle some of it, like all

1896
01:53:46.039 --> 01:53:48.520
right, day sex that last one
was cool. Well, you know,

1897
01:53:48.600 --> 01:53:53.159
they did Thief in the interim and
that didn't go as well. So right,

1898
01:53:53.760 --> 01:53:56.119
Uh, we'll see what happens with
the stuff. But if you have

1899
01:53:56.199 --> 01:54:00.439
any good ideas for these properties,
you can email Collective at squaredash innex dot

1900
01:54:00.520 --> 01:54:06.319
com with the ideas. Meanwhile,
you can email BombCast at giant bomb dot

1901
01:54:06.399 --> 01:54:10.399
com if you have any emails for
this podcast. I had to like that

1902
01:54:10.520 --> 01:54:13.720
one. Yeah, if you want
to. If you want to pitch the

1903
01:54:13.840 --> 01:54:19.520
following ips, send us your ideas, for which you will surrender to crowdfund

1904
01:54:19.680 --> 01:54:27.960
money for t n T. Send
us for pitches some of your ideas for

1905
01:54:28.000 --> 01:54:30.640
which you will surrender in on all
ownership exactly. We own every email,

1906
01:54:30.640 --> 01:54:39.039
the kind of stuff such as this
one from Jason Halo mcc still broken.

1907
01:54:39.319 --> 01:54:44.399
Frowny face. What do I do
with my Xbox One? Not play fucking

1908
01:54:44.479 --> 01:54:46.600
Halo? Yeah? If you bought
an Xbox One to play hold Halo games,

1909
01:54:46.640 --> 01:54:51.359
you fucked up. They make machines
to play those that may and that

1910
01:54:51.520 --> 01:54:55.600
it may in fact be the case. Here hey bombcasts Jason from Illinois.

1911
01:54:55.680 --> 01:54:58.399
Here, I bought the one to
play the Ship out of Halo master Chief

1912
01:54:58.439 --> 01:55:02.319
Collection. You're fucked up all right? Sadly that game is still pretty broken

1913
01:55:02.359 --> 01:55:05.119
and at this point I don't even
want to play it. Is there anything

1914
01:55:05.199 --> 01:55:08.720
coming out soon that is worth playing? Or should I take the loss and

1915
01:55:08.800 --> 01:55:13.319
sell my system? Did you play
Sunset Overdrive? Yeah? There's some good

1916
01:55:13.359 --> 01:55:15.800
games out there, some more promising
looking games coming. I mean, you

1917
01:55:15.840 --> 01:55:17.960
know, if you if you're that
big a Halo fan that you bought a

1918
01:55:18.000 --> 01:55:21.239
system to play old Halo games,
you probably want to hang onto it for

1919
01:55:21.359 --> 01:55:25.159
New Halo for less than a year
when you can play. Yeah, New

1920
01:55:25.199 --> 01:55:30.920
Halo is my is my feeling,
especially if you got it at the discounted

1921
01:55:30.960 --> 01:55:34.039
price. But who knows. But
yeah, you know, I mean you

1922
01:55:34.119 --> 01:55:38.399
might as well have a console,
right, Yes, you might as well

1923
01:55:38.439 --> 01:55:42.039
have the console. Five percent of
games are coming out on both consoles these

1924
01:55:42.119 --> 01:55:44.000
days, so you might as well
have one of them, I suppose,

1925
01:55:44.880 --> 01:55:48.720
and get your Halo later on.
There's not a lot of eventually in that

1926
01:55:48.800 --> 01:55:51.359
response. I guess that, yeah, there will be a Crackcown eventually,

1927
01:55:51.359 --> 01:55:55.800
you could play Cold Decept. Those
forts of games seem to be going pretty

1928
01:55:55.840 --> 01:55:59.039
well. Phantom Dust Anthom Dust just
coming. Sorry, Phantom Dust and not

1929
01:55:59.159 --> 01:56:00.560
Cold Aceept same thing. I don't
know, I will both come out.

1930
01:56:00.680 --> 01:56:05.079
What are video games? We're confirming
here exclusively an Acronox is coming, but

1931
01:56:05.199 --> 01:56:10.439
mayan Acronox. Did you see they
canceled the beta for the next patch for

1932
01:56:10.520 --> 01:56:14.960
Master Chief Collection. Did you see
that they were offering a beta for They

1933
01:56:15.199 --> 01:56:17.600
see that they were looking to beta
tests, so they were going to members

1934
01:56:17.720 --> 01:56:21.439
of the Xbox Preview program. Yes, they have now canceled that initiative.

1935
01:56:23.399 --> 01:56:26.159
They will not be I don't know, they will not be beta testing the

1936
01:56:26.199 --> 01:56:29.119
patch, like when when they said
they were going to beta test a patch

1937
01:56:29.319 --> 01:56:32.199
that looked bad somehow retracting that looks
even worse. I don't even know what,

1938
01:56:32.520 --> 01:56:35.439
Like, what the fuck is going
on over there? Got me?

1939
01:56:35.600 --> 01:56:40.399
Man? You got me? I
bet most of the three four three is

1940
01:56:40.520 --> 01:56:43.439
very hard to work on ALA five
right now. Yeah, they don't have

1941
01:56:43.439 --> 01:56:45.800
time to fuck around with those ship. Who knows what is happening with the

1942
01:56:45.880 --> 01:56:49.399
game that already came out and was
busted? Hey, anybody fixed that yet?

1943
01:56:49.920 --> 01:56:54.520
Fix what? And the Halo?
Yeah, I mean the beta went

1944
01:56:54.560 --> 01:56:57.479
well. We're working on Yeah,
with the multiplayer beta was great. We're

1945
01:56:57.479 --> 01:57:00.680
working on the old one. We're
like five months. It's away from content

1946
01:57:00.760 --> 01:57:03.840
complete, like all the old ones, they're all broken. What then not

1947
01:57:03.960 --> 01:57:06.520
do the work? If this game's
all one games of the year in their

1948
01:57:06.560 --> 01:57:10.479
respective release, it's called Bungee.
I leave us alone. We're working on

1949
01:57:10.560 --> 01:57:13.359
Halo. They want to answer,
they want to return my calls. Yeah,

1950
01:57:13.439 --> 01:57:19.279
what a surprise. It's a deplorable
situation. Uh. Mark from Moncton,

1951
01:57:19.520 --> 01:57:24.720
New Brunswick monkedin. Yes, how
you say that? He writes down

1952
01:57:24.720 --> 01:57:29.920
about Mortal Kombat tens, brutalities,
babalities and fashion trophies. Yeah, I

1953
01:57:30.039 --> 01:57:32.880
like everything this guy is proposing.
Last week, you guys talked about Mortal

1954
01:57:32.960 --> 01:57:36.399
Kombat. I'm sorry, did I
say ten? I don't remember, I

1955
01:57:36.439 --> 01:57:40.479
say X. Okay, last week
you guys talked about MK X, and

1956
01:57:40.520 --> 01:57:45.600
the ensuing discussion got me thinking.
One brutality is maybe lame, but if

1957
01:57:45.640 --> 01:57:47.520
they use them with the X ray
feature, you could see each bone individually

1958
01:57:47.600 --> 01:57:51.600
break and explode into nine rib cages. That would look cool. Yes,

1959
01:57:51.760 --> 01:57:56.560
but only if each bone somehow miraculously
transforms into a rib cage. Oh.

1960
01:57:56.560 --> 01:57:59.760
Absolutely no, I think that's that's
the whole point here. You're getting like,

1961
01:58:00.079 --> 01:58:02.920
yeah, three or three to five
complete skeletons out of each character at

1962
01:58:03.000 --> 01:58:08.680
some point. That's value minded.
I like that. Two. The faction

1963
01:58:08.800 --> 01:58:11.960
rewards will probably be stuff like backgrounds. But what would you like to have?

1964
01:58:12.199 --> 01:58:15.239
I'm thinking the characters could wear a
crown like in Mario three d land

1965
01:58:15.359 --> 01:58:19.800
or they bleed gold blood or something. I want custom fatalities like design your

1966
01:58:19.800 --> 01:58:23.760
own fatality. No, like like
faction specific fatality? Oh oh you like

1967
01:58:23.800 --> 01:58:26.960
the exclusive ones that you can only
use while your faction is ahead or whatever?

1968
01:58:27.119 --> 01:58:29.960
Yeah? Interesting, any character could
be in any faction, right,

1969
01:58:30.239 --> 01:58:35.840
yes? Okay? And three,
considering the last MK game had babalities and

1970
01:58:35.920 --> 01:58:40.000
this one takes place twenty five years
later. Could it be possible that some

1971
01:58:40.159 --> 01:58:45.520
characters got babalified and that would explain
why they still look so young. If

1972
01:58:45.560 --> 01:58:48.520
any series was going to do something
that's stupid, they would do that.

1973
01:58:49.279 --> 01:58:53.079
This character got turned into a baby
in our last game and is a full

1974
01:58:53.239 --> 01:58:56.079
is a as a young adult again. Would be way more into the idea

1975
01:58:56.159 --> 01:58:59.920
that you do a baybality to old
ass Kung Lao and he turns into MK.

1976
01:59:00.760 --> 01:59:02.840
Yeah, that's also pretty good.
This is the series that took a

1977
01:59:02.920 --> 01:59:06.159
guy on fire in the background on
a bridge and turned him into a playable

1978
01:59:06.239 --> 01:59:11.600
character, Blaze. People did that
Blaze. It was all like the horn

1979
01:59:11.960 --> 01:59:15.159
Buckle fucking ship, what are you
talking about? Like the name of that

1980
01:59:15.439 --> 01:59:16.760
that was there was like the other
Luke Kang. It was like, it's

1981
01:59:16.840 --> 01:59:19.600
just names Hornbuckle. Everyone knows that
and like no, no, but they

1982
01:59:19.720 --> 01:59:24.399
the guy on fire and the bridge
on the pit two back there. It

1983
01:59:24.520 --> 01:59:26.960
was in one of the later ones, like Armageddon or something, there was

1984
01:59:26.960 --> 01:59:30.439
a character named Blaze, and I
think his like official lore as he was

1985
01:59:30.520 --> 01:59:31.920
that guy that was on fire back. Maybe it is. I mean,

1986
01:59:32.000 --> 01:59:35.199
fucking mocap was a character, right, yeah, meat, they took a

1987
01:59:35.279 --> 01:59:40.439
glitch and turned her into a DLC
real character, that character, and I

1988
01:59:40.560 --> 01:59:43.640
love how that series does stupid shit
and just with a smile on their face.

1989
01:59:43.720 --> 01:59:46.600
It's the best. Yeah yeah,
some of that stuff. All right,

1990
01:59:46.640 --> 01:59:53.159
sure, it's a great series,
Uh neil from a town in Washington

1991
01:59:53.239 --> 01:59:58.199
that I'm going to pronounce yallop?
Sure did you get that like that?

1992
01:59:58.560 --> 02:00:06.319
Probably don't wait? Uh wright Son
about car hacking Comma airplane Quality. Regarding

1993
02:00:06.439 --> 02:00:12.680
last week's discussion on what to call
hacking your car, he suggests ebreaking as

1994
02:00:12.760 --> 02:00:15.880
in b r okaka. All right, yeah, yeah, that's a good

1995
02:00:15.920 --> 02:00:18.840
one. Also, I wanted to
let you know that I've shared the podcast

1996
02:00:18.920 --> 02:00:21.439
with quite a few co workers over
the last few years. We work in

1997
02:00:21.479 --> 02:00:25.920
the aerospace industry around Seattle. Next
time you get on a plane, you

1998
02:00:26.000 --> 02:00:30.159
can rest easy knowing your standard of
quality and dedication have inspired and motivated us.

1999
02:00:30.800 --> 02:00:35.439
All right, great, thanks for
that frightening uh Josh and Athens Georgia.

2000
02:00:35.720 --> 02:00:39.680
Right, there's a lot of great
airplane museums up there. I believe

2001
02:00:39.680 --> 02:00:44.720
it just take a few more days, do it? Josh and Athens,

2002
02:00:45.000 --> 02:00:48.520
Georgia. Right. Son about Trusted
reviewers, Dear Bomb guys. For a

2003
02:00:48.600 --> 02:00:53.319
long time, the Bomb crew solution
to review subjectivity has been that gamers find

2004
02:00:53.359 --> 02:00:57.119
one or more reviewers whose opinions parallel
their own and rely upon their views.

2005
02:00:58.039 --> 02:01:00.399
And with the crew all chiming in
on the BombCast, that was easy to

2006
02:01:00.439 --> 02:01:02.800
do. I found that guy on
your staff. But then you vanished Vinny

2007
02:01:02.880 --> 02:01:06.880
to the barren wasteland and I am
once again runnerless. But the splitter jib

2008
02:01:06.960 --> 02:01:11.399
on, have you guys reconsidered a
staff take section on reviews where we can

2009
02:01:11.479 --> 02:01:15.119
see what game of each of the
I'm sorry, let me try it again,

2010
02:01:15.840 --> 02:01:17.800
where we can see what each of
the staff thought about any particular game

2011
02:01:17.800 --> 02:01:23.039
they've played, summarized in a handful
of sentences. I mean, isn't that

2012
02:01:23.079 --> 02:01:26.000
what we're doing on the podcast?
Kind of yeah, I think he's asking

2013
02:01:26.079 --> 02:01:28.359
for something a little more formalized that
would kind of I don't know, this

2014
02:01:28.439 --> 02:01:30.039
comes up every every few months or
years, you know, It's like something

2015
02:01:30.039 --> 02:01:34.000
that would kind of sit alongside a
main review kind of yeah. I mean,

2016
02:01:34.039 --> 02:01:36.079
we have the ability to do that
in the system right now. It's

2017
02:01:36.119 --> 02:01:41.560
just it's not really a priority at
this point. We have At this point

2018
02:01:41.600 --> 02:01:44.720
everything we do has an opinion attached
to it. Yeah, uh so,

2019
02:01:44.960 --> 02:01:46.680
like that stuff kind of gets out
there and the quick looks and yeah,

2020
02:01:46.720 --> 02:01:49.199
across the board, and in a
lot of cases, getting that stuff out

2021
02:01:49.199 --> 02:01:53.640
there in the context of a review
in a timely manner is not really life

2022
02:01:53.760 --> 02:01:56.359
possible. Yeah. Yeah, you
know, like we don't we get a

2023
02:01:56.479 --> 02:01:58.920
copy. Yeah, more often than
not we get one copy of the game

2024
02:01:58.960 --> 02:02:00.000
before release. And you know,
even if we had him, a lot

2025
02:02:00.039 --> 02:02:02.520
of people don't have time to play
through the game. It's not like the

2026
02:02:02.600 --> 02:02:06.840
old review crew days were like four
people who could play a whole game before

2027
02:02:06.880 --> 02:02:10.079
you know, it gets to print
or something. Games were shorter and those

2028
02:02:10.119 --> 02:02:12.800
guys had a month to fuck around
to do nothing before they had to go

2029
02:02:12.880 --> 02:02:17.159
to print. Yeah uh so it's
a nice thought, but it's pretty hard

2030
02:02:17.199 --> 02:02:23.960
to pull off. Anthony in San
Antonio writes in about John Romero's eBay activity.

2031
02:02:24.840 --> 02:02:29.159
John Romero is advertising his eBay listings
for metal CDs and seventy eight hundred

2032
02:02:29.159 --> 02:02:32.560
games via Twitter. What the fuck
was advertising? Because I just went and

2033
02:02:32.640 --> 02:02:36.560
bought all that shit. No,
I didn't, but that's pretty awesome.

2034
02:02:36.600 --> 02:02:40.640
I would buy some seven months from
John. I might go look at the

2035
02:02:40.640 --> 02:02:45.359
stuff Romero is selling and see that's
that that makes me feel more than a

2036
02:02:45.399 --> 02:02:48.720
little creepy. But I I don't
care. If you go to his profile,

2037
02:02:48.760 --> 02:02:51.800
can you see also what he has
bet on M I don't know,

2038
02:02:53.039 --> 02:02:55.560
it'd be fun. I don't know. He's what has John Romero bought from

2039
02:02:55.640 --> 02:02:59.319
eBay? Sure? Also, why
why would a guy like Romero want to

2040
02:02:59.319 --> 02:03:02.079
get rid of seventy eight hundred games? It seems like something you'd want to

2041
02:03:02.119 --> 02:03:05.960
hang on to promise doesn't need him? Yeah? Maybe? Uh? Johan

2042
02:03:06.079 --> 02:03:13.560
and Sweden, as a question inspired
by the Quake live segment on upf Yes

2043
02:03:13.840 --> 02:03:19.000
got him thinking, did Jeff ever
play the id cross Interscope collaboration map where

2044
02:03:19.000 --> 02:03:23.600
you got doctor Dre and Eminem skins
and music to use? Yes, because

2045
02:03:23.640 --> 02:03:27.800
that was some magic cross media strategy
was considering. It was the fucking considering.

2046
02:03:27.800 --> 02:03:30.520
It was fucking the year two thousand
and cross media was barely fucking invented.

2047
02:03:30.520 --> 02:03:32.880
He's really riled up about the subject. Yeah, it's yeah, I

2048
02:03:33.000 --> 02:03:35.880
am too, we all are.
How did they distribute that thing? Was

2049
02:03:35.880 --> 02:03:41.479
just a free promotional thing, and
the Eminem model just had was giving a

2050
02:03:41.479 --> 02:03:45.039
middle finger. The whole time with
one of the holding the gun. Was

2051
02:03:45.119 --> 02:03:47.960
it like a Chronic two thousand and
one thing. There was just different music

2052
02:03:47.960 --> 02:03:50.199
that would play different spots in the
level and you'd run around and like,

2053
02:03:50.279 --> 02:03:54.159
I just forgot about dre in the
background. Actually I was playing on that

2054
02:03:54.279 --> 02:03:58.399
level at some point last year that
the map was ported to, like Xenotic

2055
02:03:58.439 --> 02:04:00.680
and some of these other source port
games, uh that that are based on

2056
02:04:01.000 --> 02:04:05.079
those engines, And you can still
get in there and do and then load

2057
02:04:05.159 --> 02:04:06.920
it up. All right, maybe
I put play it at n Io Quake

2058
02:04:06.960 --> 02:04:11.039
three. I forget exactly, but
but at some point I was on that

2059
02:04:11.119 --> 02:04:13.960
map and it's not a great map. No, does it have any custom

2060
02:04:14.079 --> 02:04:16.359
art? Like does it still?
Yes, it looks like the streets it

2061
02:04:16.399 --> 02:04:20.319
has billboards for the album and stuff
around. Okay, well ableast they went

2062
02:04:20.359 --> 02:04:23.039
all the way with it. Yeah, No, it's it's it was a

2063
02:04:23.159 --> 02:04:26.319
really fucking weird thing that they did. What was the music included? Was

2064
02:04:26.359 --> 02:04:28.319
it just straight up cuts from the
album? Cuts from the album, like

2065
02:04:28.439 --> 02:04:31.840
like shortened, looped, and then
like if you ran into the club in

2066
02:04:31.920 --> 02:04:35.800
the level the song was playing,
and you know, as you ran away

2067
02:04:35.840 --> 02:04:40.720
from it, it would you know, fade out magic, pure magic.

2068
02:04:40.800 --> 02:04:43.680
I would love to know how that
thing came about. Yeah, who was

2069
02:04:43.760 --> 02:04:46.319
running interscope at the time, Jimmy, I mean I figured big quick guy.

2070
02:04:46.359 --> 02:04:48.239
Yeah. I was gonna say maybe
his kids were in the quake or

2071
02:04:48.279 --> 02:04:51.600
something. Who knows. Looking forward
to quake by Dre, it's gonna be

2072
02:04:51.760 --> 02:04:59.159
very huge. Yep, weird stuff. Uh, Kyle, Yes, traversal

2073
02:04:59.239 --> 02:05:01.159
in open world games, you're not
Kyle. No, you can't fool me,

2074
02:05:02.920 --> 02:05:09.199
Sup, bomb squads up? You
know. Oh, I've been mostly

2075
02:05:09.239 --> 02:05:12.760
playing open world games lately because every
game is an open world game lately.

2076
02:05:13.359 --> 02:05:15.399
How do you guys feel about fast
travel? In terms of game design?

2077
02:05:16.000 --> 02:05:18.880
It's convenient, sure, But in
games in which getting around is actually fun.

2078
02:05:19.439 --> 02:05:21.960
I find Farkry four it's buzzer to
be fun to fly around in,

2079
02:05:23.079 --> 02:05:27.079
for example, I rarely use fast
travel. Do you think fast travel is

2080
02:05:27.119 --> 02:05:30.000
overused and gives developers an excuse to
have a pretty bland open world At some

2081
02:05:30.079 --> 02:05:34.039
point it just removes the open world
element because you're only going to mandated locations.

2082
02:05:34.880 --> 02:05:38.199
I think, you know, like
he brought he brought up Parkry four,

2083
02:05:38.239 --> 02:05:40.800
and I think it does a good
job of there's enough stuff off the

2084
02:05:40.840 --> 02:05:43.680
beaten Path that you can't just fast
travel too. They're like, you know,

2085
02:05:44.000 --> 02:05:45.600
I use fast travel, but I
also use the buzzer a whole bunch.

2086
02:05:45.720 --> 02:05:48.079
Yeah, you know, the little
locations that are marked on the map

2087
02:05:48.199 --> 02:05:51.279
with collectibles and stuff like, they
do give you some incentive. Yeah,

2088
02:05:51.319 --> 02:05:55.239
it's to roam around. But I
still fast travel like a mother in that

2089
02:05:55.359 --> 02:05:57.560
game. I do it in everything, and I can believe in their skyram

2090
02:05:57.680 --> 02:06:00.039
or fall out or anything, as
long as you go by the rule of

2091
02:06:00.159 --> 02:06:01.880
like, well, if you've gotten
there on foot or via vehicle or horse

2092
02:06:02.000 --> 02:06:05.000
or whatever it may be, then
yes you can travel there. But yeah,

2093
02:06:05.079 --> 02:06:08.920
give me stuff off the beaten path, so I can't explorer, get

2094
02:06:09.000 --> 02:06:12.119
on the horse and red dead and
look around or whatever. Dying Light is

2095
02:06:12.119 --> 02:06:15.720
a weird outlier, yeah, recently
in that it's an open world game that

2096
02:06:15.760 --> 02:06:18.439
does not let you fast travel,
I found that to be frustrating. I've

2097
02:06:18.640 --> 02:06:23.720
kind of come to appreciate it in
a way. But I'm like MAXI level

2098
02:06:23.760 --> 02:06:26.680
on everything practically at this point,
and I'm just fucking booking through the city

2099
02:06:26.760 --> 02:06:29.199
anyway, so it kind of doesn't
matter, and it lets you run into

2100
02:06:29.239 --> 02:06:30.880
a lot more of the little like
kind of ambient events that happened and stuff

2101
02:06:30.920 --> 02:06:33.920
like that. I get why you
would not have it in a game like

2102
02:06:34.000 --> 02:06:36.680
that, and also why that could
work. The world map in that game

2103
02:06:36.800 --> 02:06:40.680
is kind of small enough, that's
not really the end of the world.

2104
02:06:40.800 --> 02:06:43.039
Also, the game is designed in
such a way that you don't really need

2105
02:06:43.119 --> 02:06:45.359
to go back to that area you
started in. Then there's no reason to

2106
02:06:45.439 --> 02:06:49.119
do it boring entire map traversal.
Sure, I'm trying to remember. Could

2107
02:06:49.279 --> 02:06:53.560
did Bullie have a fast travel because
I remember liking spending a lot of time

2108
02:06:53.640 --> 02:06:57.119
just kind of like biking around that
talent and stuff because it was small enough

2109
02:06:57.479 --> 02:06:59.840
and there are all these fun little
ways to get around, and I don't

2110
02:06:59.840 --> 02:07:02.199
remember. I don't think it did. I feel like I just rode my

2111
02:07:02.279 --> 02:07:05.239
bike around a lot. Yeah,
you might be right. I think it's

2112
02:07:05.279 --> 02:07:10.960
great. I'll take your forward for
it. It's great. I don't think

2113
02:07:10.960 --> 02:07:14.000
I'm ever gonna played at this point. You never played Bully. I've bought

2114
02:07:14.039 --> 02:07:16.600
it twice. I think it's so
good. I went on Steam and then

2115
02:07:16.640 --> 02:07:20.039
I think I bought it again on
three played the Steam version recently, and

2116
02:07:21.279 --> 02:07:25.319
the controller stuff is a little weird. Some of it it might be a

2117
02:07:25.359 --> 02:07:28.039
little hard to go back to.
I thought repeatedly about like playing it on

2118
02:07:28.119 --> 02:07:30.960
the site or something. The three
sixty one is really good. That's when

2119
02:07:30.960 --> 02:07:32.159
I went back to a couple of
years ago and played through again. Still

2120
02:07:32.199 --> 02:07:35.119
good, I've got that one,
bullying bread. I'll keep thinking about it.

2121
02:07:35.239 --> 02:07:39.680
Watched fucked up, That's what it
was. Broke, was it?

2122
02:07:40.039 --> 02:07:43.239
Yeah? See I played. I
remember reviewing the original PS two one when

2123
02:07:43.239 --> 02:07:45.359
it came out, and then not
getting scholarship edition right away. No,

2124
02:07:45.359 --> 02:07:48.119
I think I reviewed the we one
of that, which whatever, and then

2125
02:07:48.159 --> 02:07:49.720
a few years later it's like,
you know what, I just want to

2126
02:07:49.760 --> 02:07:53.239
play the three sixty one, and
so I guess they had ironed out whatever

2127
02:07:53.399 --> 02:07:56.520
was sucked up about it. So
yeah, I probably played through that like

2128
02:07:56.560 --> 02:08:00.319
three times. It's great. The
early parts of that game, we have

2129
02:08:00.359 --> 02:08:03.279
to go to class and stuff like
kind of dragged for me going back to

2130
02:08:03.359 --> 02:08:05.960
it. I kind of like the
novelty of these stupid little mini games and

2131
02:08:07.000 --> 02:08:09.199
stuff. Yeah, no, like
like I thought that stuff was fine.

2132
02:08:09.199 --> 02:08:11.640
It was just like they kind of
hammer you with it up front a lot

2133
02:08:11.279 --> 02:08:16.960
that I don't want to do this
right now. Ye understandable. It's charming.

2134
02:08:18.199 --> 02:08:22.560
Yeah, I'm probably not pronouncing this
right, but Jacob from Poland,

2135
02:08:22.439 --> 02:08:26.640
that's probably not not familiar with Theatan's
now it's of Polish, okay. Anyway,

2136
02:08:28.199 --> 02:08:31.880
trying to get about Game of the
Generation M. I've been waiting for

2137
02:08:31.960 --> 02:08:37.399
a year now since Driving game M. Yeah, sure, don't stay tuned.

2138
02:08:37.760 --> 02:08:39.319
I've been waiting for a year now
since current gen began. But where

2139
02:08:39.439 --> 02:08:43.520
is Game of the Generation? I
know Jeff will probably pick Burnout Paradise,

2140
02:08:43.600 --> 02:08:46.880
but I would love a legitimate discussion
or premium video thing where you discuss and

2141
02:08:46.920 --> 02:08:52.279
maybe play contenders for a few hours, simply best Xbox three sixty game,

2142
02:08:52.319 --> 02:08:56.359
best PS three game, and best
game of the generation Red Dead Redemption.

2143
02:08:56.479 --> 02:09:00.239
I don't think we would do best
Xbox three sixty, best PS three whole

2144
02:09:00.239 --> 02:09:01.520
specific game. Yeah, you would
just cram it being the same game.

2145
02:09:01.560 --> 02:09:05.760
Yeah, sure, you just lump
we in there. Sure, P three

2146
02:09:05.039 --> 02:09:09.039
and can Yeah, and you can
kind of always like for a multi platform

2147
02:09:09.079 --> 02:09:11.359
game, you would just defer see
the best version of the game. Yeah,

2148
02:09:11.039 --> 02:09:13.479
which in a lot of cases,
you know, the virgins are pretty

2149
02:09:13.479 --> 02:09:18.479
similar anyway. Yeah, I think
we would have to drop like handhelds and

2150
02:09:18.640 --> 02:09:24.479
PC discussion just in order to because
hestablished some parameters, PC is two fluid,

2151
02:09:24.560 --> 02:09:26.520
you know it. You know the
boundaries are weird there, and the

2152
02:09:26.720 --> 02:09:31.439
handhelds overlap and have different hardware.
You know, it is kind of a

2153
02:09:31.560 --> 02:09:35.760
three console race at that point,
I think this idea has gotten a lot

2154
02:09:35.800 --> 02:09:39.439
more interesting since Dan shown up.
Well, I would say, with a

2155
02:09:39.520 --> 02:09:41.880
bullet and no pun intenda there Red
Dead And then that's why you want to

2156
02:09:41.920 --> 02:09:46.319
do it is specifically because you have
like a fucking some assistance in this BULLSHITD

2157
02:09:46.359 --> 02:09:48.960
Dead camp. It's great on team
Red Red Dad here. I would have

2158
02:09:50.039 --> 02:09:52.039
to go back and look again,
but I'm pretty sure. Yes, the

2159
02:09:52.119 --> 02:09:56.520
only thing that comes close to me
is the Galaxy games. I just kind

2160
02:09:56.560 --> 02:09:58.560
of care there. But yeah,
but yeah, Red Dad is my favorite

2161
02:09:58.560 --> 02:10:03.239
game, but I will back it
is. It's just a great game.

2162
02:10:03.960 --> 02:10:07.640
That's I've heard tell of the posterous
I've heard tell of you not being a

2163
02:10:07.680 --> 02:10:09.760
big We've actually never talked about.
Yeah, I've been not a big fan

2164
02:10:09.840 --> 02:10:13.079
of Red Den. Yeah I've heard
that. Yeah, cowboys dumb. I

2165
02:10:13.119 --> 02:10:16.920
don't know, like the coolest thing. The guns are lame and all that.

2166
02:10:18.000 --> 02:10:20.039
Games you just slow down time,
shoot guys on the head off off

2167
02:10:20.079 --> 02:10:24.680
of horses riding horses wasn't funnies brownies
on a wall and some guy did a

2168
02:10:24.680 --> 02:10:28.039
bad thing. You gotta go find
where he is and shoot him to death

2169
02:10:28.119 --> 02:10:30.600
or like time up and put him
on a railroad track. It's it's incredible,

2170
02:10:30.800 --> 02:10:33.800
and then go play poker. It's
it's the coolest shit. I still

2171
02:10:33.880 --> 02:10:37.199
think it's the idea that like playing
poker in an open world video game,

2172
02:10:37.239 --> 02:10:39.920
but it fits so well. But
that put that town what is that town

2173
02:10:39.039 --> 02:10:43.239
called? That's on like the marsh, and like it's such a fucking perfect

2174
02:10:43.359 --> 02:10:46.520
like Rogues Gallery one up in the
northeast, den of iniquity, like that

2175
02:10:46.640 --> 02:10:48.840
little yeah yeah, yeah, I
mean I can't like, like, I

2176
02:10:48.199 --> 02:10:52.840
like honestly can't really have this conversation
with you because I was so put off

2177
02:10:52.880 --> 02:10:56.399
by that game I stopped playing.
It's the perfect place to play poker in

2178
02:10:56.479 --> 02:10:58.920
a video games exactly. I normally
don't give a shit about these little side

2179
02:11:00.039 --> 02:11:01.800
games or whatever, like, oh
you can do this, dumb there,

2180
02:11:01.800 --> 02:11:03.600
you can bowl in GTA four,
I don't care about that. But playing

2181
02:11:03.800 --> 02:11:07.439
poker in a saloon and Red Dead
like just felt like the right dan like

2182
02:11:07.560 --> 02:11:11.720
looking around all the dudes around yet, like it's just full of scoundrels,

2183
02:11:11.920 --> 02:11:15.800
liars, dice and you take a
whiskey shot crashing through billboards in a car.

2184
02:11:16.079 --> 02:11:18.239
I mean that was all right,
Yeah, the driving the Carbon X

2185
02:11:18.359 --> 02:11:22.079
twelve. Let's not let's not have
this debate. Actually right now, you

2186
02:11:22.079 --> 02:11:24.600
don't felt good the feel of a
plastic guitar in your hands. Oh yeah,

2187
02:11:24.720 --> 02:11:28.439
that's all right, the feel of
the drum sticks. You've got no

2188
02:11:28.600 --> 02:11:31.960
argument with Burnout or Rock Band of
those games great games. Yeah, I

2189
02:11:33.079 --> 02:11:35.039
know Red Dead like but even both. But if we're having this conversation,

2190
02:11:35.119 --> 02:11:39.560
it's like it's we Sports. It's
wait, we're talking about our personal I

2191
02:11:39.600 --> 02:11:43.880
don't think we can defer to like
we're talking about personal cultural impact here because

2192
02:11:45.520 --> 02:11:48.680
we're talking about game of the generation, like we want to do separate personal

2193
02:11:48.760 --> 02:11:52.239
lists. We Sports is an incredibly
important game, but like I wouldn't put

2194
02:11:52.279 --> 02:11:56.760
it anywhere within a mile of my
top ten. Yeah, it's totally different

2195
02:11:56.880 --> 02:12:00.199
conversation if it's personal or if it's
because yeah, we Sports is a age

2196
02:12:00.199 --> 02:12:03.159
your contender. If we're talking about
just the gaming lands, like huge respect

2197
02:12:03.199 --> 02:12:05.920
for what they did with that thing, but like I would not go back

2198
02:12:05.960 --> 02:12:09.119
and play it. I did not
play a lot of it at the time,

2199
02:12:09.199 --> 02:12:11.840
you know, like I played it. It was very interesting, but

2200
02:12:13.439 --> 02:12:16.399
a lot of that it was really
cool at the time. I ended up

2201
02:12:16.399 --> 02:12:18.439
playing quite a bit of it.
We Bowling was just a go to you

2202
02:12:18.520 --> 02:12:22.199
talk about, like dorm games and
stuff. So I was in college when

2203
02:12:22.239 --> 02:12:24.520
that came out, and that was
the thing we did all the time.

2204
02:12:24.640 --> 02:12:28.560
It is just we would get we
would get crowds in my apartment that would

2205
02:12:28.560 --> 02:12:31.359
just go back after the bars and
we would all take turns playing we bowling.

2206
02:12:31.439 --> 02:12:33.560
Yeah, the bowling in the tennis
both. I feel like we're just

2207
02:12:33.680 --> 02:12:35.840
like the like holy crap. Yeah, well those were the proofs of concept,

2208
02:12:35.960 --> 02:12:41.119
like this ship works. Yeah,
it was perfect at hiding the weaknesses.

2209
02:12:41.239 --> 02:12:45.760
It was Nintendo Land didn't do well
enough, which you could tell they

2210
02:12:45.880 --> 02:12:48.239
thought it was going to do that. You remember that E three where it

2211
02:12:48.359 --> 02:12:52.039
was like most of their booth was
Nintendo Land. This is not going to

2212
02:12:52.119 --> 02:12:54.600
be you know, I mean that
the deeper, the deeper problem there is

2213
02:12:54.680 --> 02:12:58.079
that we U Gimmicks doesn't have the
pick up and playing us that the version

2214
02:12:58.000 --> 02:13:01.319
did. Yeahs, so you could
tell your grandma like, hey, all

2215
02:13:01.359 --> 02:13:03.640
you gotta do is swing it like
a tennis racket, whereas like the Weu,

2216
02:13:03.720 --> 02:13:05.039
it's like, well, you could
manage your inventory better on the screen

2217
02:13:05.039 --> 02:13:09.920
if you're playing Zelda, like that
doesn't really work. Yeah, asymmetric multiplayer

2218
02:13:11.159 --> 02:13:20.039
Grandma, I'm the Gumba. Yeah
yeah. Red Dead has the most atmospheric

2219
02:13:20.319 --> 02:13:24.920
open world ever conceived. It was
just riding it just like, yeah,

2220
02:13:24.960 --> 02:13:26.520
watching the sunset and stuff while you're
doing the hunting steps riding your horse,

2221
02:13:26.560 --> 02:13:30.319
and the music is perfect. Like
I felt a little weird about how much

2222
02:13:30.359 --> 02:13:33.079
I was enjoying and like exploring this
fake landscape. Yeah, it's like I

2223
02:13:33.119 --> 02:13:37.520
should probably go outside and look at
the real like feel some real sunshine.

2224
02:13:37.920 --> 02:13:39.079
I'm with you. That was like
Sex and the Mercies. But this is

2225
02:13:39.159 --> 02:13:43.439
so well built. It's one of
those things that seemed really pretty. And

2226
02:13:43.479 --> 02:13:46.680
then everything about the gameplay just put
me off from minute one, Oh it

2227
02:13:46.720 --> 02:13:48.600
gets good, and got two point
where I was like, well when does

2228
02:13:48.640 --> 02:13:50.600
it get good? Because I put
I put hours into it. You you

2229
02:13:50.720 --> 02:13:54.600
upgrade, You're shooting pretty fast to
the point that you're just like six guns

2230
02:13:54.640 --> 02:13:58.720
and guys off a horse is left
and right and so much side quest stuff

2231
02:13:58.720 --> 02:14:00.800
is really good too, Like I
love the hunt and stuff. That's the

2232
02:14:00.840 --> 02:14:03.119
other thing is that, like this, it's the one and only time,

2233
02:14:03.199 --> 02:14:05.439
like even counting GTA five, that
rock Star has like really filled an open

2234
02:14:05.520 --> 02:14:09.479
world with a bunch of really cool
stuff. Yeah, like rocks, rock

2235
02:14:09.520 --> 02:14:11.880
Star might be my favorite developer,
but the only game of theirs that I

2236
02:14:13.000 --> 02:14:16.199
have loved enough one hundred percent was
Read Option. Did every single thing you

2237
02:14:16.239 --> 02:14:20.520
can do in that game exactly rock
Star San Diego then, or what I'm

2238
02:14:20.560 --> 02:14:22.960
saying, Like, you know,
I adore, like you know, GTA

2239
02:14:24.039 --> 02:14:26.800
five. I think it's a brilliant
game, but I don't want to do

2240
02:14:26.960 --> 02:14:28.640
every little thing in that game,
you know. But Red Dead It's like

2241
02:14:28.640 --> 02:14:31.000
I want to be in this world
as long as you will give me stuff

2242
02:14:31.039 --> 02:14:33.800
to do it this world. I
did exactly the same thing. Everything that

2243
02:14:33.880 --> 02:14:37.880
there was to do in that game
I did. I remember getting back from

2244
02:14:37.880 --> 02:14:43.640
a trip and walking to the game
stop to buy it because I don't remember

2245
02:14:43.680 --> 02:14:52.000
why exactly I decided to walk and
getting that and Alan Wake, yeah,

2246
02:14:54.479 --> 02:14:56.880
same time. It was like an
April or May release, that's right,

2247
02:14:58.079 --> 02:15:00.960
yeah, twenty ten I think it
was. And then and then getting back

2248
02:15:01.720 --> 02:15:03.359
to the house and going like,
all right, I'm gonna play both these

2249
02:15:03.439 --> 02:15:05.840
games. He's both. I hear, they're fucking awesome. They look great.

2250
02:15:07.359 --> 02:15:11.439
It's over two man. I like
Alan Wake two. I don't like,

2251
02:15:15.079 --> 02:15:16.039
there's some cool stuff in Allan Wake, all right, Jeff, Alan

2252
02:15:16.079 --> 02:15:18.760
Wake. I would be more likely
to go back and give Alan Wake another

2253
02:15:18.800 --> 02:15:24.680
shot than read Wow, that's crazy, tea. Everything about the handling of

2254
02:15:24.760 --> 02:15:28.680
the weaponry and everything about Red Dead
was just that setting, Like, I

2255
02:15:28.720 --> 02:15:33.239
mean, are you not like an
old spagetti Western, Like I know it's

2256
02:15:33.279 --> 02:15:35.479
not, Yeah, I like,
I don't have any particular reverence for that

2257
02:15:35.600 --> 02:15:39.840
kind of like cinematic tradition. But
even that, even even I I would

2258
02:15:39.880 --> 02:15:43.079
be more likely to watch movies than
play a game setting it because of some

2259
02:15:43.239 --> 02:15:48.600
of the things that happens with when
you get guns that old oh okay,

2260
02:15:48.279 --> 02:15:50.880
and and some of the stuff that
goes into that. But it's never like

2261
02:15:50.960 --> 02:15:58.520
Deadwood or anything or never that's such
an adherent of the head shot. I'm

2262
02:15:58.600 --> 02:16:03.079
amazed you're not more interested in No, I mean the thousands of headshots you

2263
02:16:03.159 --> 02:16:05.319
pull in that game. I am
good at head at shooting things in the

2264
02:16:05.359 --> 02:16:09.720
head. It does not mean that
I think that it is enjoyable or now

2265
02:16:09.800 --> 02:16:13.079
do it from a horse. A
guy beat me at poker in that game.

2266
02:16:13.199 --> 02:16:15.520
After a long game, I tied
him up, put him on the

2267
02:16:15.560 --> 02:16:18.880
back of my horse, took him
to the most like bear infested part of

2268
02:16:18.920 --> 02:16:20.720
the woods, threw his tied up
body on the ground while he was alive,

2269
02:16:22.000 --> 02:16:24.039
threw bear bait on him, and
then rode away as bears bait.

2270
02:16:24.720 --> 02:16:28.399
That is a fucking great game.
That's ridiculous. But none of that's like

2271
02:16:28.479 --> 02:16:31.479
part of the game that's awesome.
I just decided to do that. Dude.

2272
02:16:31.520 --> 02:16:33.799
You do a lot of that shit
in that game. Yeah. And

2273
02:16:33.840 --> 02:16:37.879
that's the thing is the actual like
game stuff like this, the missions and

2274
02:16:37.879 --> 02:16:39.280
stuff, even the ship in Mexico
that people seem to hate. I loved

2275
02:16:39.319 --> 02:16:41.680
all that. Sho thought Mexico was
fun. Like that's not That's not how

2276
02:16:41.719 --> 02:16:45.399
I played GTA at all, like
any of Like I'm gonna go do something

2277
02:16:45.520 --> 02:16:48.360
random, like I got that.
What I'm saying, you don't have to

2278
02:16:48.440 --> 02:16:50.799
go looking for it though, it
finds you in that game like that.

2279
02:16:50.920 --> 02:16:54.280
That's what I mean when I say
I think it's the only game that rock

2280
02:16:54.319 --> 02:16:58.799
Stars made again, including five GT
five that like has interesting dynamic stuff going

2281
02:16:58.840 --> 02:17:01.120
on in it all the time.
Yeah, I'm not talking about this random

2282
02:17:01.120 --> 02:17:03.280
stuff. Like it's not like GTA
where you're just putting in a bunch of

2283
02:17:03.319 --> 02:17:05.200
codes, like, oh, I
got all these weapons and I'm writing a

2284
02:17:05.239 --> 02:17:09.319
hovercraft around like not like that,
Like stuff like I was pissed that that

2285
02:17:09.360 --> 02:17:11.680
guy beat me at poker and that
the tools are in the game where like

2286
02:17:11.719 --> 02:17:13.760
if I want to feed him to
bears, I can do that, or

2287
02:17:13.840 --> 02:17:16.600
like you've picked up a wanted poster
and the guy you're going after it has

2288
02:17:16.719 --> 02:17:20.040
given you a bunch of trouble and
you're like fuck you. Yeah. Yeah,

2289
02:17:20.040 --> 02:17:22.440
it's like it's and the actual story
stuff, not just the random stuff

2290
02:17:22.440 --> 02:17:26.000
for the dynamic stuff. Right.
I love the story. I love the

2291
02:17:26.000 --> 02:17:28.600
story missions, all the side stuff. It's just it's a fucking damn near

2292
02:17:28.639 --> 02:17:31.680
perfect game to me, one of
the best endings ever all two games.

2293
02:17:31.760 --> 02:17:35.280
Yeah. Yeah, it's one of
the few video games stories I really get.

2294
02:17:35.559 --> 02:17:37.959
The way the way the last forty
five minutes to an hour that game

2295
02:17:37.040 --> 02:17:39.959
is handled is is a fucking masterclass
and how to end the video game.

2296
02:17:41.000 --> 02:17:43.440
Oh yeah, which is something a
lot of people don't do very well.

2297
02:17:45.120 --> 02:17:50.000
True, Apparently we need to revisit
that idea at some point. Now we're

2298
02:17:50.000 --> 02:17:56.120
good based on Allen Waite Game of
the Generation's right, all right? Uh,

2299
02:17:56.559 --> 02:17:58.639
here's an email from D. M. Stern. I hope he doesn't

2300
02:17:58.680 --> 02:18:01.159
mind me reading his full name,
but I love it when people use their

2301
02:18:01.159 --> 02:18:07.200
initials as their name sounds so official. It's a dudgeon master commands respect.

2302
02:18:07.399 --> 02:18:11.280
He's writing in about The Great Gianna
Sisters. Okay, just follow up on

2303
02:18:11.319 --> 02:18:16.239
the last upf The Great Gianna Sisters
was developed by Rainbow Arts in Germany,

2304
02:18:16.840 --> 02:18:20.440
but although folklore has it that Incidos
sued them, more recent researches revealed that

2305
02:18:20.479 --> 02:18:24.360
the developers pulled the game voluntarily and
there was never a court case. Rainbow

2306
02:18:24.479 --> 02:18:30.239
Arts later got in similar troubles over
their horizontal schmupp pardon use of that term,

2307
02:18:30.719 --> 02:18:35.840
katakas did that ring any bells?
Ka kim I'm sorry ka ta ki

2308
02:18:37.079 --> 02:18:41.000
s yeah, which Activision claimed was
too similar to our type, which they

2309
02:18:41.079 --> 02:18:43.719
had the home computer rights to,
and it was to fate. When Activision's

2310
02:18:43.760 --> 02:18:48.559
original porting studio were unable to complete
the C sixty four version, they gave

2311
02:18:48.600 --> 02:18:50.799
the work to Rainbow Arts, who
develop a new port in just seven weeks,

2312
02:18:52.239 --> 02:18:56.280
allegedly using a lot of the Takas
code. A code as base makes

2313
02:18:56.319 --> 02:19:03.479
sense. Yeah, for a strange
Factor five did that game relative to the

2314
02:19:03.520 --> 02:19:09.159
Amica version? Weird? Huh?
Well, Fact five is also a German

2315
02:19:09.200 --> 02:19:13.360
developer. I wonder if there's yeah
cross pollinations. Okay, so I was

2316
02:19:13.399 --> 02:19:16.760
looking at Factory five. Anyway,
he ends with. For a real strange

2317
02:19:16.840 --> 02:19:20.120
artifact of the eight bit piracy scene, have a look at the Gamer's Guide.

2318
02:19:20.680 --> 02:19:24.840
It was a discmag published by Swedish
group Triad between nineteen ninety and ninety

2319
02:19:24.879 --> 02:19:28.200
five at the very tail end of
the C sixty four's life, and its

2320
02:19:28.239 --> 02:19:33.319
main function was to rate and rank
cracks from all the different groups still active

2321
02:19:33.399 --> 02:19:37.959
on the platform. Cracks were scored
on timeliness of release, size and number

2322
02:19:37.040 --> 02:19:41.040
of files, with extra credits given
for added features like cheets and high score

2323
02:19:41.040 --> 02:19:46.200
saving or bugs of the original game
fixed. Of course, this was accompanied

2324
02:19:46.239 --> 02:19:50.399
by pages upon pages of greets,
rumors, interviews, scene news, and

2325
02:19:50.600 --> 02:19:58.280
bickering news. Oh, it's the
best threats and bickering. It sounds outstanding.

2326
02:19:58.360 --> 02:20:00.719
Yep, we should go back and
find that. Yeah, I would

2327
02:20:00.719 --> 02:20:03.399
like to see that. I'm not
clear if I assume it was a print

2328
02:20:03.479 --> 02:20:05.879
thing if it was put out in
the early nineties. Oh, I'm sure

2329
02:20:07.200 --> 02:20:09.559
it had to be. I'm sure
it was practually a Property four disc that

2330
02:20:09.559 --> 02:20:13.600
you would download. Oh is that
what disc mag means? Yeah? Oh

2331
02:20:13.680 --> 02:20:20.200
interesting, Well man, I missed
out. It's fun stuff. Chris from

2332
02:20:20.280 --> 02:20:26.600
Wyoming right son about Clash of Clans
and vape culture. Oh boy, one

2333
02:20:26.680 --> 02:20:30.760
circle, yep. I follow up
to Warren's email last week about his vaping

2334
02:20:30.840 --> 02:20:33.879
whale for Clash of Clans brother in
law at my job. I recently visited

2335
02:20:33.879 --> 02:20:39.440
a Virginia site and where the team
sorry this is a little messy, where

2336
02:20:39.520 --> 02:20:43.440
the team would do two things on
breaks, one vape to play and discuss

2337
02:20:43.479 --> 02:20:46.959
tactics for Clash of Clans. So
these may be related in a weird vaping

2338
02:20:48.000 --> 02:20:52.120
makes you want to play Clash of
Clans nanobot transactions. They live way man,

2339
02:20:52.559 --> 02:20:56.120
if only. What was more distressing
was being in the South and working

2340
02:20:56.159 --> 02:20:58.520
with a bunch of guys who shortened
the name not to Clash but to Clan.

2341
02:21:00.600 --> 02:21:03.159
Oh. Very often I would walk
into the vape has to hear I

2342
02:21:03.239 --> 02:21:07.959
got this mint juice and we need
more warriors for the clan. No,

2343
02:21:09.200 --> 02:21:13.079
surely they're aware of what they're doing. Right after work, We've got a

2344
02:21:13.120 --> 02:21:16.360
clan meeting. Oh dear, I
bet you do. Evan's the betsy.

2345
02:21:16.639 --> 02:21:18.799
Did you wash your bed sheets?
What? Why does it do anything?

2346
02:21:18.959 --> 02:21:24.600
I brought my vape juice though it's
bana banana bubbleberry. Man, it was

2347
02:21:24.639 --> 02:21:33.399
a funny meal. Uh okay Anthony
from Waterloo, Ontario. What she says

2348
02:21:33.479 --> 02:21:37.319
is nowhere near Halifax. Okay,
so you know good to know goodnesscape if

2349
02:21:37.360 --> 02:21:43.399
I wanted to. He's writing in
about an idea he had whereby Majora's mask

2350
02:21:43.559 --> 02:21:48.360
is the fish of the Zelda franchise
the fish pH yep, oh no,

2351
02:21:48.479 --> 02:21:52.319
I already don't like this. Greetings
as sorted bomb folk. While reading a

2352
02:21:52.360 --> 02:21:56.200
thread about last week's podcast, I
saw people obsessing over the Majora's mask discussion,

2353
02:21:56.239 --> 02:22:00.360
and then spotted another comment about you
guys mentioning fish on another bomb cast.

2354
02:22:00.840 --> 02:22:03.479
The stream's got crossed in my brain
and now I can't help but think

2355
02:22:03.559 --> 02:22:07.520
they are kindred spirits. Fish is
a jam band? Actually he wrote fish

2356
02:22:07.600 --> 02:22:11.319
are a jam band? But fuck
that is he British? I always know

2357
02:22:11.399 --> 02:22:13.879
it's from Canada. So yeah,
he's part of the commonwealth. Sure Fish

2358
02:22:13.959 --> 02:22:18.520
is a jam band who've made their
name by psychedelically riffing on established scales and

2359
02:22:18.600 --> 02:22:22.280
covers of well known songs, with
a feverish cult following. Majora's Mask is

2360
02:22:22.360 --> 02:22:26.879
kind of a series of riffs and
experimentations on various existing tropes within the Zelda

2361
02:22:26.959 --> 02:22:31.120
franchise. They're both super trippy and
are probably greatly enhanced by the use of

2362
02:22:31.159 --> 02:22:35.000
recreational substances. Do you guys see
a valid point of comparison? Am I

2363
02:22:35.079 --> 02:22:39.200
getting high on my own supply?
On an unrelated note, with Demons and

2364
02:22:39.280 --> 02:22:43.159
Dark Souls being so popular, I
was wondering if anyone had any interest in

2365
02:22:43.239 --> 02:22:48.360
revisiting another from software franchise, Armored
Cores. I remember being absolutely baffled by

2366
02:22:48.440 --> 02:22:50.440
it, but maybe I was just
missing something. Did you guys ever have

2367
02:22:50.479 --> 02:22:52.840
any interest in the Armored Core franchise? Is now the time for a return?

2368
02:22:54.399 --> 02:22:56.440
No to both things, he said
in that email. No, I

2369
02:22:56.520 --> 02:23:03.520
can kind of get down with the
Major's Mask being he trippy. Every Fish

2370
02:23:03.600 --> 02:23:07.639
live song is fourteen times longer than
a full three day cycle in Majora's Masks.

2371
02:23:07.239 --> 02:23:11.719
Every jam band sucks. You're saying
Fish is better than Major's mask sounds

2372
02:23:11.719 --> 02:23:13.200
like you get more value. I
don't know, no, I'm just trying

2373
02:23:13.239 --> 02:23:16.319
to say that there's never been a
good jam b Major's mask I got last

2374
02:23:16.360 --> 02:23:20.000
week was Hella, honey, Bruh, Sticks and stems, man, I

2375
02:23:20.040 --> 02:23:22.360
don't know what any of that says. Sticks and stems. I don't like

2376
02:23:22.440 --> 02:23:28.559
any of those, yep. I
don't think I ever played Armor Corps.

2377
02:23:28.559 --> 02:23:31.840
I could never wrap my mind.
Let's just I mean, I think you

2378
02:23:31.879 --> 02:23:35.159
know, just insert name of from
software game here, all of them.

2379
02:23:35.319 --> 02:23:43.479
Chromos I like Chromhounds, likes a
little bit I played. I remember me

2380
02:23:43.559 --> 02:23:46.280
and Brian Eckberg being kind of into
Chrome. Is that game? I forget

2381
02:23:46.360 --> 02:23:50.280
why. I feel like there's just
you know, like Mecas Sault was a

2382
02:23:50.280 --> 02:23:54.959
good met game. Mac Warrior two
was a fantastic met game. Oh yeah,

2383
02:23:56.959 --> 02:23:58.879
crazy Ivan, Crazy Ivan, have
the Iron. I don't know what

2384
02:24:00.079 --> 02:24:03.799
that is. That PlayStation one game? Yeah? Yeah, games, yeah,

2385
02:24:05.200 --> 02:24:09.120
games, it's weird. You have
to you have to distinguish when you

2386
02:24:09.159 --> 02:24:11.040
were talking about met games, whether
you're talking about like just an action shooter

2387
02:24:11.319 --> 02:24:15.399
or a game where you're basically playing
a walking fucking tank. Right, You

2388
02:24:15.520 --> 02:24:20.200
know, yeah, because a lot
of those MET games are basically sims for

2389
02:24:20.440 --> 02:24:22.280
machines that don't exist. I like
to battle tech a lot, go and

2390
02:24:22.399 --> 02:24:26.799
get cockpit low frame rate, but
fuck it, you're a weird cockpit.

2391
02:24:28.200 --> 02:24:30.840
It's back when the idea of playing
a game against like eight people in the

2392
02:24:30.879 --> 02:24:33.440
same room with you was insane.
I'll sell you a T shirt, yeah,

2393
02:24:33.920 --> 02:24:35.600
battle Tech Center. I would play
a MET game if it was all

2394
02:24:35.680 --> 02:24:39.840
metal gear solid branding and you could
play as different metal gears against each other,

2395
02:24:39.079 --> 02:24:43.319
but you did partake of anything with
the metal Gear brand. I don't

2396
02:24:43.319 --> 02:24:45.959
like acid. I don't like metal
gar ass. What about metal gear branded

2397
02:24:46.040 --> 02:24:50.319
acid? No? Wait, all
my illuse nations guaranteed to be based on

2398
02:24:50.399 --> 02:24:54.639
metal yourself did? It's gonna look
like those the weirder MGS three trailers.

2399
02:24:54.399 --> 02:24:58.319
Oh, like all the symbols and
stuff like coming out. Yeah, the

2400
02:24:58.399 --> 02:25:01.520
peace sign and the hammer and sickle
and halo jumps. Yeah, it's just

2401
02:25:01.520 --> 02:25:03.680
gonna look like that. Okay,
No, it's gonna be like that first

2402
02:25:03.719 --> 02:25:07.879
Fan of Pain trailer where they didn't
say it was metal gear Solid fires flaming

2403
02:25:07.920 --> 02:25:13.280
whales, and I don't want to
envision oh man man using psychedelic substances huh

2404
02:25:13.479 --> 02:25:15.760
of any kind. Yeah, I'm
not really a drug guy, but yeah,

2405
02:25:15.799 --> 02:25:20.120
metal Gear Acid. I don't really
want anything to do with any kind

2406
02:25:20.159 --> 02:25:22.840
of online metal gear stuff. Yeah, I don't really. But whether you're

2407
02:25:22.840 --> 02:25:28.120
piloting Metal Gears or not, it's
just not no story based, story based

2408
02:25:28.159 --> 02:25:31.280
met game like Crazy Ivan but with
metal Gear. Yeah, all right,

2409
02:25:31.239 --> 02:25:35.120
what's the FMP metal Gear Rising too? Is just you are the metal Gear

2410
02:25:35.719 --> 02:25:39.319
Okay, if you are as Metal
Gears got a sword, now that's true.

2411
02:25:39.440 --> 02:25:43.360
Yeah? Wait, there's a third
metal Gear game. No, I

2412
02:25:43.360 --> 02:25:48.879
don't believe the rumors. You've been
lied Tolo wants you to believe. You

2413
02:25:48.920 --> 02:25:54.159
should come out with a game called
metal Gear three that I would play.

2414
02:25:54.280 --> 02:25:56.440
Yeah, that I would get excited
about, even though I would would know

2415
02:25:56.520 --> 02:26:01.319
deep down I was being pandered too. But it's still get excited. Mark

2416
02:26:01.399 --> 02:26:05.040
from England straighten. They should come
up with a game called the Real metal

2417
02:26:05.120 --> 02:26:11.760
Gear Solid three and it's just play
right after two? Yeah, bills in

2418
02:26:11.799 --> 02:26:13.799
the gaps between two and four?
Isn't that just four? Fine? Whatever?

2419
02:26:15.000 --> 02:26:18.040
The re release four as the Real
metal Gear Solid three Eat Old Things,

2420
02:26:18.920 --> 02:26:24.040
metal Gear Solid four, Metal You
three Old settings admitted, Oh yeah,

2421
02:26:24.120 --> 02:26:26.120
yeah, okay, all right,
absolutely, it's largely accurate, but

2422
02:26:26.719 --> 02:26:30.200
it's a lot of it has to
do with the weapon reinvolved in World War

2423
02:26:30.280 --> 02:26:33.200
two games. It's much like to
hear the ping when you ride out of

2424
02:26:33.239 --> 02:26:35.000
bullets the reload time, but the
real times just too long. I guess

2425
02:26:35.239 --> 02:26:39.959
I don't know. I don't need
an automatic weapon and everything. Were you

2426
02:26:39.040 --> 02:26:41.879
big on that stupid PC game?
It was the Darkest of Days where you're

2427
02:26:41.920 --> 02:26:45.719
it's basically time cop and you're bringing
like, no, that game's a pilot

2428
02:26:45.799 --> 02:26:48.000
sho oh no, he yeah,
he loved it. Yeah, I have

2429
02:26:48.079 --> 02:26:52.639
a big Darkest of Days guy.
I mean you're saying your problem with older

2430
02:26:52.680 --> 02:26:56.319
stuff is you know, old weaponary, So the Darkest of Days was old

2431
02:26:56.399 --> 02:26:58.879
settings with new weapon. I mean
that does solve the problem. You're right,

2432
02:26:58.239 --> 02:27:03.040
Yeah, A ray gun some of
my favorite quick looks. Ever,

2433
02:27:03.559 --> 02:27:05.799
I don't think i've seen that.
I've never seen it. Should go back

2434
02:27:05.799 --> 02:27:07.719
and watch it, even though I
think it was recorded directly behind me.

2435
02:27:09.399 --> 02:27:11.600
Mark from England writes in with an
email entitled straight out of Giant Bomb,

2436
02:27:13.040 --> 02:27:16.840
in which he wants to know just
a quick question, what is everyone's opinion

2437
02:27:16.920 --> 02:27:20.600
on the Straight Out of Compton movie
in light of the recently released trailer looks

2438
02:27:20.639 --> 02:27:22.319
really good. Yeah you think so. Yeah. Yeah, there was like

2439
02:27:22.360 --> 02:27:26.479
a leaked trailer that came out of
some Ice Cube concert where he showed some

2440
02:27:26.639 --> 02:27:28.399
bit of it different from the trailer. Yeah, it was, Yeah,

2441
02:27:28.440 --> 02:27:31.680
I was. It was shorter,
it had some of the same footage,

2442
02:27:31.120 --> 02:27:33.360
but that that was like a month
ago or something like that, and I

2443
02:27:33.440 --> 02:27:35.280
was watching that and that was that
was where I was like, Oh,

2444
02:27:35.399 --> 02:27:41.000
Paul Giamatti's playing Jerry Heller. That's
fucking perfect. Oh Jesus is it.

2445
02:27:41.600 --> 02:27:45.920
It's perfect. Yeah, it's so
perfect. Oh my god, sign your

2446
02:27:45.959 --> 02:27:48.120
life, I mean your name on
the line. Right. Yes, they

2447
02:27:48.120 --> 02:27:52.920
should get someone who looks like Paul
Giamatti and then shoot reshoot that video totally.

2448
02:27:52.159 --> 02:27:54.959
Oh my god. But like like
like a shot of the set,

2449
02:27:56.360 --> 02:27:58.879
yes, while they're shooting, right, Likes just a scene in the movie

2450
02:27:58.959 --> 02:28:03.920
is just them shooting that video.
Yeah. Oh that trailer is really crazy.

2451
02:28:03.360 --> 02:28:07.120
You watch that thing with some knowledge
of like some of the things that

2452
02:28:07.200 --> 02:28:13.000
befell NWA and and their members during
and after the group existed. It's like,

2453
02:28:13.200 --> 02:28:16.280
man, they're covering a lot of
fucking weird ground there. I want

2454
02:28:16.319 --> 02:28:20.239
to know if they're going to address
doctor dre hitting d. Barnes in that

2455
02:28:20.360 --> 02:28:24.440
film somewhere. That's what I want
to know. That's that's too deep a

2456
02:28:24.479 --> 02:28:26.000
cut for me. I'm sorry,
all right, I think you're alone in

2457
02:28:26.040 --> 02:28:28.879
this room. Fair enough? Now? I do. I do like the

2458
02:28:28.959 --> 02:28:33.840
casting choice of ice Cube's son,
Yeah, affecting what he is ice Cube?

2459
02:28:33.920 --> 02:28:35.680
Did you? Did you watch the
trailer? Yeah? I did,

2460
02:28:35.840 --> 02:28:39.000
because you see I was watching it
right behind Jeff. I'm like, man,

2461
02:28:39.079 --> 02:28:41.719
that's good casting, right, Yeah, you're almost like, fucking is

2462
02:28:41.760 --> 02:28:46.479
that just ice Cube? But what's
going on? Yeah? It's pretty good.

2463
02:28:48.159 --> 02:28:50.520
More emails. There's like two more
emails. Yeah, I'll see you,

2464
02:28:50.559 --> 02:28:56.520
like two more emails. Uh.
Daniel from Los Angeles has an email

2465
02:28:56.559 --> 02:29:00.600
for Dan. Has Dan been to
a roller derby match? I've never been,

2466
02:29:00.680 --> 02:29:03.239
but something tells me that he would
enjoy it a whole lot, you

2467
02:29:03.319 --> 02:29:05.360
know, I have. I went
to one of Minneapolis, and I was

2468
02:29:05.760 --> 02:29:09.479
all for the idea of like,
yeah, this seems like something that some

2469
02:29:09.760 --> 02:29:13.159
silly, campy kind of sport,
kind of fake thing, whatever the hell

2470
02:29:13.200 --> 02:29:16.799
it is, switch sports entertainment exactly, And so I kind of thought that,

2471
02:29:16.920 --> 02:29:18.799
like, yeah, it seems like
a fun thing to go drink beer

2472
02:29:18.840 --> 02:29:22.280
out or whatever. And I went
and it was way more confusing than I

2473
02:29:22.520 --> 02:29:26.639
anticipated, Like they have all these
weird rules and stuff, and it's not

2474
02:29:26.920 --> 02:29:28.879
skate past the people. You get
one point per person you pass, and

2475
02:29:28.920 --> 02:29:31.559
then you put your hands on your
hips to signify the end of the jam.

2476
02:29:33.000 --> 02:29:35.920
What. Yeah, it's a weird
shit like that. Yeah, it's

2477
02:29:35.920 --> 02:29:39.079
super confusing. You don't know anyone's
story and you have to jump over a

2478
02:29:39.159 --> 02:29:43.799
fucking alligator the fu. Yeah.
It got to the point where I had

2479
02:29:43.840 --> 02:29:46.840
to just stop trying to figure out
what was happening and just wait until someone

2480
02:29:46.879 --> 02:29:48.040
would trip and be like, whoh, they almost fell off the crowd,

2481
02:29:48.200 --> 02:29:52.239
and that would be exciting for a
second. But yeah, I saw it

2482
02:29:52.319 --> 02:29:54.920
once and I was like, yeah, this is not the one guy had

2483
02:29:54.959 --> 02:29:58.120
to move where he would like he
would like jump, he would land on

2484
02:29:58.200 --> 02:30:01.760
his back on top, somebody would
fall in, and then his move was

2485
02:30:01.840 --> 02:30:05.040
to just shake. That's pretty funny. He was like an older dude and

2486
02:30:05.079 --> 02:30:09.440
he was just like that was the
most devastating, like signature maneuver in the

2487
02:30:09.559 --> 02:30:13.239
history of the sport. When they
tried to like spice it up and really

2488
02:30:13.319 --> 02:30:18.120
take on wrestling, and they put
it on syndicated TV that literally if there

2489
02:30:18.239 --> 02:30:22.840
was a tie, the tiebreaker involved
alligators like live ones. Yeah. Is

2490
02:30:22.879 --> 02:30:26.920
there is there like central roller Derby
governing body? I think for those like

2491
02:30:26.079 --> 02:30:30.280
you know, back when there was
the t Birds and all those sorts of

2492
02:30:30.360 --> 02:30:31.959
teams and stuff like that, it
was all kind of one you know,

2493
02:30:33.120 --> 02:30:35.959
one show, one touring company,
whatever it was. But now it's you

2494
02:30:37.000 --> 02:30:39.040
know, people are just doing roll
Derby on their own on the side,

2495
02:30:39.079 --> 02:30:41.000
just fucking around. Sure. I
did like a lot of the creativity and

2496
02:30:41.200 --> 02:30:45.040
like some of the names the girls
gave themselves, Like most of the names

2497
02:30:45.079 --> 02:30:48.600
were pretty funny, like good puns. Yeah. Yeah, so hang on,

2498
02:30:48.159 --> 02:30:50.920
if you pass somebody, you get
a point. If they then pass

2499
02:30:50.959 --> 02:30:54.200
you, do they also get a
point? No, because you have to

2500
02:30:54.239 --> 02:30:56.840
be wearing the helmet to score.
It was like a star on it.

2501
02:30:56.920 --> 02:31:01.719
And then there's like blockers or something. It's diffusing. Do that'd be great?

2502
02:31:01.760 --> 02:31:05.440
How violent does it actually get?
Like it kind of okay? But

2503
02:31:05.680 --> 02:31:09.440
you know it's not like written into
the rules that you can like throw an

2504
02:31:09.440 --> 02:31:11.559
elbow whenever you want. I mean, you're not gonna punch in the face

2505
02:31:11.639 --> 02:31:13.319
and stuff. I mean it's worked. It's not real, like it's you

2506
02:31:13.399 --> 02:31:16.120
know, like, yes, you
can elbow whatever you want. Roller ball,

2507
02:31:16.280 --> 02:31:20.559
Yeah, exactly, Okay, oh
there should be a roller ball league,

2508
02:31:20.959 --> 02:31:24.319
should I was surprised when I went
to my first monster truck rally that

2509
02:31:24.440 --> 02:31:28.159
like that's worked too. It sounds
like they would have these little races and

2510
02:31:28.239 --> 02:31:31.879
between the monster truck parts where they
were like heels who was like, man,

2511
02:31:31.040 --> 02:31:35.399
Kansas City sucks, Oh you hicks
in Kansas City. I'm from Missouri.

2512
02:31:35.479 --> 02:31:37.239
And then like the Kansas boy like
would make a super dramatic thing at

2513
02:31:37.280 --> 02:31:39.760
the end to beat the Missouri guy. Like they would have this work stuff.

2514
02:31:39.760 --> 02:31:43.200
I don't know if the actual monster
truck stuff like whoever smashed the most

2515
02:31:43.239 --> 02:31:46.760
cars or however the hell that works, but like the weird but the race,

2516
02:31:46.120 --> 02:31:48.239
yeah, I'd be a bunch of
dudes on ATVs with like a very

2517
02:31:48.399 --> 02:31:52.520
clear heel and a very clear baby
face and it came down to those two

2518
02:31:52.559 --> 02:31:54.200
at the very end. Terrific.
It's weird. It sounds about right.

2519
02:31:54.840 --> 02:31:58.200
Can we just say a good guy
and bad guy? We should Nope,

2520
02:31:58.200 --> 02:32:01.479
none of us are wrestlings. We
shouldn't talk their talk talking about face and

2521
02:32:01.520 --> 02:32:05.079
heel. Fans say baby face and
hell yeah, the asshole ones like the

2522
02:32:05.239 --> 02:32:09.440
scumbags, Yeah, say good guy
and bad guy. When it comes to

2523
02:32:09.520 --> 02:32:13.120
wrestlers, dude, basin heel are
not Jeff endorse terms. I think that,

2524
02:32:13.239 --> 02:32:20.079
you know, there's a certain amount
of like I've definitely seen wrestlers bristle

2525
02:32:20.280 --> 02:32:24.440
at people who are not wrestlers using
those terms. Healing, face and heel

2526
02:32:24.479 --> 02:32:28.760
are commonplace enough now, Like,
Okay, I know wrestlers. It's a

2527
02:32:28.840 --> 02:32:31.559
weirdly old school thing that is no
longer a thing anymore. But I think

2528
02:32:31.559 --> 02:32:33.559
there are lines you don't cross,
Like, you know, I know wrestlers

2529
02:32:33.600 --> 02:32:37.319
that they refer to everything as a
gimmick, like if I'm picking out my

2530
02:32:37.319 --> 02:32:39.040
phone, like I let me pick
up my gimmick and check this, or

2531
02:32:39.120 --> 02:32:41.639
they'll call a chair agammick, let
me sit in this gimmick here, Like

2532
02:32:41.719 --> 02:32:43.920
that's stupid if you're not one of
the boys or whatever. I think,

2533
02:32:43.920 --> 02:32:48.200
even if it's silly, but that
is a thing that wrestlers do. But

2534
02:32:48.280 --> 02:32:52.000
I think for a fan, I
think like face and heel is acceptable without

2535
02:32:52.000 --> 02:32:54.479
being a total ducee fan. Yes, yeah, I don't know. Yes,

2536
02:32:54.559 --> 02:32:56.079
I fall into that trap sometimes and
I always feel like an idiot when

2537
02:32:56.079 --> 02:32:58.799
I do. I don't talk about
like work rate and stuff like that,

2538
02:33:00.040 --> 02:33:01.200
like I think those are like kind
of that's even that's not even real.

2539
02:33:01.319 --> 02:33:05.319
Okay, learn something new every day. There are a lot of asshole racing

2540
02:33:05.360 --> 02:33:09.159
fans. Actually I just learned multiple
things because I also just learned what it

2541
02:33:09.200 --> 02:33:13.120
means to work something or for something
to be worked. Well, if it's

2542
02:33:13.159 --> 02:33:16.440
real, it's a shoot. What
it's a shoot, or it's a work

2543
02:33:16.520 --> 02:33:20.520
because you are shooting them straight,
or there's also such thing as a work

2544
02:33:20.600 --> 02:33:24.840
shoot, But when is it ever
real? In wrestling, Let's say let's

2545
02:33:24.879 --> 02:33:26.799
say me and you were wrestling a
match, Brad, and let's say you

2546
02:33:26.959 --> 02:33:30.799
you hit me with a potato,
which means you hit me with a punch

2547
02:33:30.879 --> 02:33:33.559
that was a little too stiff,
so you really kind of like your potato

2548
02:33:33.639 --> 02:33:35.959
to me. It turns into a
shoot. If I throw you one back,

2549
02:33:37.000 --> 02:33:39.280
that's called the receipt. If I
give you a receipt and then we

2550
02:33:39.360 --> 02:33:41.639
start potato when each other back and
forth, then it's a shoot fight.

2551
02:33:41.959 --> 02:33:45.159
Then we're really fighting. So at
a certain point, at some point,

2552
02:33:45.159 --> 02:33:48.159
you go into business for yourself.
Okay, the combatants get angry enough at

2553
02:33:48.159 --> 02:33:50.479
each other that they're actually it's on
at the level of like a national level,

2554
02:33:50.559 --> 02:33:54.000
like woe, Like you're not going
to see that much. Okay,

2555
02:33:54.040 --> 02:33:56.879
somebody gets a receipt or something's too
professional. Yeah, pretty much like you're

2556
02:33:56.879 --> 02:34:01.079
not gonna see straight up shoot fights
on in the big leagues. Any of

2557
02:34:01.120 --> 02:34:05.079
the times that blood appears in the
ring or those are the results of people

2558
02:34:05.200 --> 02:34:07.319
going too far, and that that's
called if you're bleeding, and it's not

2559
02:34:07.600 --> 02:34:11.120
if you're not juicing, you're not
getting color, if you're not taking your

2560
02:34:11.159 --> 02:34:13.959
gig out. Go on, dude, I can't do this anymore. You're

2561
02:34:13.959 --> 02:34:16.840
asking me questions. You're just making
shit up this point. I swear to

2562
02:34:16.879 --> 02:34:20.159
God all this is real terms.
I know exactly what he's saying. I

2563
02:34:20.200 --> 02:34:24.239
know I hate myself, but I
know exactly what. If you bleed,

2564
02:34:24.840 --> 02:34:26.600
and it's not if you're not juicing, not getting color, that's bleeding the

2565
02:34:26.639 --> 02:34:30.280
hard way. So let's say you
potato me after I potato do you,

2566
02:34:30.319 --> 02:34:33.799
and you give me a receipt back. If I'm bleeding out of my eyes,

2567
02:34:33.840 --> 02:34:37.319
I'm bleeding the hard way. Bust
them open hard way. That's not

2568
02:34:37.399 --> 02:34:41.319
me getting color. That's hard way. Oh boy, is like a capsule.

2569
02:34:43.040 --> 02:34:45.639
No, it's blood. Like they
take the gig the razor blade out,

2570
02:34:45.639 --> 02:34:48.239
it's that's where you're marking yourself up. Yeah, they usually take it

2571
02:34:48.280 --> 02:34:50.520
out of the wristband or the refereehance
it to them or like guys like Rick

2572
02:34:50.559 --> 02:34:54.280
Flair would like keep it between their
teeth like crazy people, old school guys.

2573
02:34:54.479 --> 02:34:56.840
And you take it out and you
just uh so, let's say you

2574
02:34:56.959 --> 02:34:58.440
hit me with a chair and I'm
supposed to get color and Drew, so

2575
02:34:58.520 --> 02:35:01.239
you hit me with the chair and
I go, I fall down and you

2576
02:35:01.440 --> 02:35:05.079
it's kind of a misdirection thing.
You parade around the ring with the chair

2577
02:35:05.120 --> 02:35:05.840
or whatever, and you get everyone
to look at you, or you yell

2578
02:35:05.840 --> 02:35:09.120
at the crowd while I'm down there
and the camera's not on me, and

2579
02:35:09.239 --> 02:35:11.639
I just take the I take the
gig out and I get some color.

2580
02:35:11.680 --> 02:35:18.319
I just I just do a little
cut my forehead and cut your own anytime,

2581
02:35:18.440 --> 02:35:22.479
blad it's happened some old wrestlers And
look at their fucking foreheads. Look

2582
02:35:22.479 --> 02:35:26.000
at the dusty rhodes, like the
scarring is real. It's taffy. It

2583
02:35:26.079 --> 02:35:28.719
just looks like taffy. Now keep
in mind, now this other little thing.

2584
02:35:30.079 --> 02:35:33.120
Take about forty aspirin before the match. See your blood's really thin,

2585
02:35:33.399 --> 02:35:35.559
and maybe a bunch of beer.
And so that way the things. It

2586
02:35:35.600 --> 02:35:37.719
doesn't cause a lot of pain,
especially for these guys that are on a

2587
02:35:37.719 --> 02:35:41.280
bunch of pain bills and shit like
that. Don't take forty aspirin. Uh

2588
02:35:41.399 --> 02:35:43.559
no, no ever, but yeah
they cut it so it doesn't hurt him

2589
02:35:43.600 --> 02:35:46.399
much, but visually it adds a
lot. Look at old Ric Flair matches,

2590
02:35:46.440 --> 02:35:48.959
old Dusty Rhodes matches, like those
guys are, they're getting a lot

2591
02:35:48.000 --> 02:35:52.399
of color. Okay, So it's
not just something that happens incidentally, and

2592
02:35:52.479 --> 02:35:56.239
it can it's rare. I mean
like last night on Raw Roman Reins got

2593
02:35:56.319 --> 02:35:58.799
a cut and he was bleeding in
his mouth like that was just the thing

2594
02:35:58.879 --> 02:36:03.360
that had rated PG. Now,
no point do they induce bleeding. There's

2595
02:36:03.639 --> 02:36:07.399
except for once Sam Punk and a
cage match for Jerry Lawler. I was

2596
02:36:07.440 --> 02:36:11.479
there live, and when Lawler whips
him into the ropes, you can see

2597
02:36:11.520 --> 02:36:15.319
him very quickly, he just he
gigs his forehead very quickly, and so

2598
02:36:15.399 --> 02:36:18.000
yeah, he bladd there just because
I think it's such an old school thing

2599
02:36:18.079 --> 02:36:20.600
to like bleed in a cage match
for Jerry Lawler. Yeah, so that's

2600
02:36:20.639 --> 02:36:24.639
the only time that PG era I've
ever seen an actual blade jobs. But

2601
02:36:24.760 --> 02:36:26.920
yeah, it's whenever you see like
the Crimson Mask, the Crimson mask is

2602
02:36:26.959 --> 02:36:31.159
all from the Crimson Mask. Yeah. Man, that's you're cutting your for

2603
02:36:31.280 --> 02:36:33.120
it. I hate myself. I
assume these guys have to be well at

2604
02:36:33.159 --> 02:36:37.760
least in that era, well,
maybe not tested all the time for yeah,

2605
02:36:39.000 --> 02:36:41.479
oh wait, are you talking about
like for like STDs and stuff.

2606
02:36:43.040 --> 02:36:48.319
Bob Orton, Randy Orton's dad was
positive for hepatitis C and bladed in a

2607
02:36:48.479 --> 02:36:52.000
match involving the Undertaker. Undertaker is
fighting Randy Orton, and Randy Orton positive

2608
02:36:52.000 --> 02:36:58.239
PHEPS. He comes in and blade, so he was bleeding and they had

2609
02:36:58.280 --> 02:37:03.000
not informed the Undertaker ahead of time
that he was positive for eptitis and Taker

2610
02:37:03.319 --> 02:37:07.399
was piss up. Yeah I do
not blame him. Yeah, yes,

2611
02:37:09.000 --> 02:37:15.280
yeah, we wrestling. It's the
best fucking stupid. It's a bunch of

2612
02:37:15.319 --> 02:37:18.840
carny shit, has been, always
will be. Wow, it could be

2613
02:37:18.840 --> 02:37:22.399
a billion dollars public company. It
is still a bunch of fucking weird Carny

2614
02:37:22.440 --> 02:37:26.280
ship. Still. I mean they're
they're breeding it out. Over time,

2615
02:37:26.840 --> 02:37:31.000
there's less and less talk like I
was talking about their gig anymore. For

2616
02:37:31.120 --> 02:37:33.920
the record, I never used their
servitor. I just wanted to sound like

2617
02:37:35.000 --> 02:37:39.559
as much of a wrestling dude that's
possible. Came in Andy for Game of

2618
02:37:39.600 --> 02:37:43.319
the Year when you like dropping all
that lingo in the video was keeping a

2619
02:37:43.399 --> 02:37:48.920
kabe? Yeah, exactly. We
have to stop this, Joseph. Let's

2620
02:37:48.959 --> 02:37:52.799
move on. It's the last email. What have we become? I can

2621
02:37:52.840 --> 02:37:56.600
go for a hour. Wish I
could answer that question. Alex from Vancouver

2622
02:37:58.040 --> 02:38:01.680
sends our last email. It's to
me, Hello, Brad, I think

2623
02:38:01.680 --> 02:38:05.719
you should do one of those outros
where the theme music quietly and gradually creeps

2624
02:38:05.799 --> 02:38:09.000
up at the end while you're saying
that's it for the show or that's going

2625
02:38:09.079 --> 02:38:13.360
to be it for the bomb cast. I like that idea. It hypes

2626
02:38:13.360 --> 02:38:16.799
me up and stuff. I know
you will take my podcast audio editing advice

2627
02:38:16.879 --> 02:38:20.200
into great consideration. Yes, Alex, perhaps I will BombCast at giant bomb

2628
02:38:20.239 --> 02:38:24.719
dot com is the email address we
send the emails, and that's gonna do

2629
02:38:24.760 --> 02:38:28.159
it for the show, all right? Thanks for being here everybody. I

2630
02:38:28.239 --> 02:38:31.719
love this song. Yeah, it's
Yeah. It's been a great podcast and

2631
02:38:31.879 --> 02:38:35.559
stuff content on the site I'm sure
will happen this week. Look for it,

2632
02:38:35.719 --> 02:38:41.879
a man, stay tuned for some
stuff to happen. Yeah. Facts

2633
02:38:43.040 --> 02:38:48.360
is a little ways off, so
we'll be back with another regularly scheduled edition

2634
02:38:48.440 --> 02:38:50.000
of the Giant Bomb Cast next week. Yeah.