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out that Hitler would lose to Stalin
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the Western Atlantis power leade wanted to
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becomes the exhausting and the destruction,
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of that way that they would destroy
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external warfare, but also through the
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Trotskyism, Marxism, Maoism, all
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can read Bertrand Russell himself, the
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texts talking about how he was so
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were having their sway and when we're
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they were experiments and technocratic governance.
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form of socialism was also an experiment
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the Germany lost World War Two was
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the Cold War ensues, and then
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getting is the perfect planned synthesis from
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hundred plus years ago, the same
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all the books that I lectured through. You can go back to H.

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G. Wells, to the Milliner
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all those characters are rolling in supernational
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promoting all forms of communism, fascism, socialism, capitalism, democracy. They

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don't care whatever achieves the end goal
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to be the same plan everywhere.
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different country. And this is precisely
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New York Times praising and supporting Maoism. Why would the most powerful Western capitalist

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industrialist man right gigantic editorials in New
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great Maoism is again, over and
over and over. We see that certain

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people transcend the dialectic. But what
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says, and my prediction will be
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of them are most of them are
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talked about. But I will just
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text that I've mentioned talk about what
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there. I only mentioned one conspiracy
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but actually just trying to give the
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mean it's true, doesn't mean that
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a good man and that he's true. I'm siding him as a source for

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how the Western power structure views dialectical
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many places talks about the Cold War
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technocratic synthesis. That's the whole point
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me see if he's on here.
He hasn't popped in here yet, So

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I'll go to the next guy,
American Marks Gotta. I'm what's up?

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Hey? So I was reading your
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not as interested in like the whole
Anthony Sutton history as I am with your

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justification of Like isn't your whole thing
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Right? So my Thinggelianism. No
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no, no, no, you're
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like Nazism and like communism are the
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part on Hegelian philosophy. I was
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I would disagree over what facts and
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probably relate to different world views.
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So let me read. Okay,
So let me read specifically what I wanted

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to ask you about. So there's
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facts in common sense that is self
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proponent of materialism? Sounds like you
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know exactly his account of epistemology or
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a fact of history is. So
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a certain world view, and that
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quote unquote with the world view that
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and the transcendent God's existence, the
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the Leninist view, right, right, So reality doesn't present to you actual

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he might be subject to the Hegelian
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and facts cannot like you don't know, like there's subjects like the famous Hegelian

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dictum that if the facts contradict the
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which is yeah, But like he
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a thing is that doesn't exist.
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to a certain epistemology and a certain
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fundamental contention. That's what I was
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facts matter in this regard, like
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the Nazis and and because it's Anthony
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FDR was funded, which I'm not
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old chapter on that. Yes,
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written sudden, which is like the
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I'm not sure that you do know
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him, but I haven't read him. Okay, But I'm just saying he

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says the same thing about f the
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but I was thinking. I wasn't
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point I was making was that to
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to at least dive into the empirical
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believe in empirical data, but I'm
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to demolish either. With Mark.
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not an empiricist? Mark? Well, if you want to get into the

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whole, the whole like early Marks, later Marks thing, early Marx was

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very into like the whole naturalism of
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full materialist. And actually, if
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explicitly like differentiates between like Marxist materialism
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pure mocky and like empiricism. Okay, that's fine. I don't have a

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problem with that, because it's critique
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impure. You're gonna let me finish, like okay, So my critique would

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apply to any form of materialism or
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was that pure MOCKI and empiricism like
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they do print, they print,
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but they still like, but like, ideology is still a factor in Marxist

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materialism. It's not like ideas do
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even a term that Marxists used called
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each other, right, right,
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philosophy of a bunch of contradictions.
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Marx's development and that Marx basically had
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Marxists admit this, right, like
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I was studying under a guy from
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Horror Moss. So one of the
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learned about Marxism and critical theory is
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later marx and then there are various
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So there's histematic, there's diamat,
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point that I really think none of
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strict logical and philosophical argumentation about epistemology
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as there's something else I wanted to
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about how like the Fabian society,
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part of what you said was true
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like Hi Melis in particular, didn't
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maybe it wasn't for the reasons that
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what I see in HD Wells is
he's a liberal, right, and he's

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committed to liberalism and he's committed to
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he's he's hitler, like dismantle democracy
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us, right, and then he's
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then he's like, Okay, why
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adopting the ideology of Nazism or Leninism. That's what I totally disagree, because

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of being a liberal. But when
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when it comes about to actually be, it's no different than any of the

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other models. I mean, he's
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says, most of the world's going
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to come in, and so he
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total technocratic control. Most people are
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it's he's not a he's just wearing
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in my view, the Fabians in
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society elites. And then you had
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you know, openly funded and founded
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Kent, like you know, the
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mean, there's a bunch of these
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mustache Man. But there was also
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definitely preferred the Bolshevik, Troskyi and
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ht Wells, or bertand Russell were
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face of being quote liberal, but
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socialism or the Fabians or Marxism in
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the exact same conclusions as Popper is
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recall as one of the I can't
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he's one of the helpers. So
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inner party elite, and then you
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academic helpers. And so he identifies
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open society. I don't again,
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Fabianism, because Fabianism is all about
adapting. Their whole model is let's work

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with the fortune one hundred, let's
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would be the Fabian adaptation model,
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be a socialist. He's against socialism
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but I'm finding that doesn't matter.
You can be you can have an ideological

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difference as to what works the if
you agree to the overall plans of For

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example, I did a video called
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all I was doing was just boiling
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kind of agree on to be in
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elite power structure, like if you
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outright union with Stalin at that time, third Way proponents at that time in

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the CFAR, but you also had
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that did not want to do that. So there can be genuine disagreements amongst

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the game plan without sacrificing identical end
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on, but can't. This is
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that the Fabians and Popper have this
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because you know, Angles and Lenin
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and like the Bolsheviks, their whole
orientation was anti Fabianism is about like

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Fabianism is about, like winning the
elites over to like their version of socialism,

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right, it's not just playing them
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fact, relution that's not true.
Beatrice and Sydney Webb wrote glowing letters back

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and forth with Propskaya and Lenin,
so their public statements are whatever works.

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So it's it's not that they oppose
revolution. Therefore whatever works, and they

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didn't oppose the Bolshviks. I would
disagree. I've read stuff by I've read

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stuff by the Fabians from back then. I'm not talking today's Fabian, says

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Fabians. But they're eighteen, they're
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And uh no, they wrote openly
about how they loved They wrote letters to

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crow Skyl. But then again,
like the Fabians didn't like there were Fabians

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that did have disagreements like okay,
maybe Wells like Slent, but also Hi

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Wells eventually left the Fabians and like
Ahi, Wells was like very different.

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Yeah I don't I don't think that. So again, just because people supposedly

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leave a group, like for example, Russell was only amongst the Fabians I

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think for like a year and then
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that group anymore. But the ideology
doesn't change. So what do he overall

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wanted and called for? For example, if you read Impact of Science on

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Society. That one's the later book
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fifties. So for example, so
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is like nineteen thirty two, I
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about twenty years later and Impact of
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society, like the game plan and
the philosophy hasn't significantly changed, So it

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doesn't really matter whether whether they're publicly
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irrelevant to their overall ideology. But
I hope you read like the first say

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three chapters of Ratiu's book on the
history of the Fabians. I think he

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really shows that the idea that they
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not true. But like the Fabians, they first of all, I understand

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that they like some of the mythodology
the Bolsheviks. I guess my question then

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is what ends do they serve for
the British elites, Because clearly at some

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point the British elites ended up being
sanchily opposed to the Soviets. So I

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understand wanting to copy the methodology,
but anyone would want to copy the Nazi

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or lenning this methodology if they were
power hungry themselves, right, Yeah,

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I think I think that the power
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at for example, Reinhard Heydrick.
His methodology and approach was borrowed by Kurt

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Lewin the first the first stages of
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So they utilize a lot of SS
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of the Tavistock Institute. That doesn't
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no more than if the power structure
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Sovietism and communism or communism or whatever, doesn't mean that they adopt the system

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as a whole. So they're interested
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doesn't mean that they adopt the system
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British, the British elite in a
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agenda. And I think the Sovietism
as Stalin deviated by not accepting the Marshall

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Plan aid and the Cold War kicks
off. There is a real opposition going

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on there. I don't believe that
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that in the long run, they
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much of a threat as they played
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thing quickly points out, which is
that all of that Cold War intelligence whim

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off too in his book, all
that Cold War intelligence stuff that was coming

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out of the National Security establishment by
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that was all hyped up to have
the Cold War. So then my question

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is, how are you using your
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how would you explain bricks? And
how would you explain modern Russia. That's

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a really complex question and I don't
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Morgan Chase had a big role in

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the early stages of Bricks, so
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I also know that the world is
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everything to you know, simple Manichean
dialectics or one or two one overwriting con

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spiracy. I think that I think
the world is more complex than that,

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So I just try to go by
what evidence I've seen and read and that

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I can put together into a coherent
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history, we have to deal with
THESS. We don't have, like you

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know, infallible knowledge of all of
these events. I do think that when

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Putin kicked out a lot of those
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lot of the Western establishment, because
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the nineteen nineties after the Soviet collapse. I think the Yeltsen was a Western

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asset. He was a CIA guy. I think that he was there on

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purpose to help the Harvard crew,
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actually congressionally in kore in the nineties. So that's pretty much pretty much fact.

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out and oppose a lot of Western
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what degree Russia is is in some
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certain ways in the back door with
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don't have I'm not access or don't
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that. But I do think there's
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the part of the Western Atlantis establishment
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legitimate contenders or rise in terms of
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include both Russia and China. And
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and China, uh, you know, being in certain ways aligned with and

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embed with the West. I think
that the nature of the complexities of the

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modern world necessitate, you know,
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with pipelines, energy, you know, the dollar, all of these

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things necessitate to some degree every country
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You could say, so there's no
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think that you can have genuine opposition
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a foul of the elites. I
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did go off script, so there
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the end goals are assured, even
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end goal to the winning the game, you know, there might be different

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plays that if you think about like
a football game. Right, there might

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be different plays that are run,
there might be different strategies, and they

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might lose this or that, you
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kick in the football match, but
they all have the same end goals.

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So I don't think they're super worried
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know the guy you're engaging with.
Hawes. His theory about capitalism is that

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capitalism on a global level end of
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at least in the United States,
with the introduction of Yeah, basically with

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the end of the gold standard,
was the end of capitalism, right?

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And what do you think of this? I would agree with Quigley's analysis that

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there's different types of capitalism. You
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goes through the history in the first
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Trajan Hope, he gives like the
history of h I'm trying to think of

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all the terms he uses, Like
he talks about the cartel phase, cartel

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capitalism, he talks about finance capitalism, and he talks about monopoly capitalism.

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idea of well he would believe,
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in socialism today. What he would
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but not socialism in the Leninist sense, but like more in the Fabian sense.

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is that what we think of as
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fair economics that went away, Yeah, when when there was no hard currency

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that you could peg the dollar two
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and then you could argue also the
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of as like quote classic Enlightenment capitalism
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that time, I would agree with
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soft socialism, yeah, or a
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straight. So you agree that we
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right, and you do understand that
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even if the JP Morgan or whatever
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or mixing them up. But if
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or Nazi Germany or even like the
rise of modern Bricks and Russia are China,

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that at some point they do defeat
from the script, right, So

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question is from your worldview, how
would people like why do you think people

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defeat from that script? Well,
and there could be all kinds of reasons.

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I mean, think about Gadaffi or
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Both of those characters were at various
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with the West. You know,
for example, Saddam was actually trained by

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can you it's really loud in the
background. Saddam was trained by the CIA,

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put in power by the CIA,
and then you know, at a

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certain point when Iraq, you know, stopped going along with what the CIA

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wanted, then it was time for
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Gadaffi, where at times he was

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tempted to be in bed with the
West, at times he opposed, they

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asked uh, and eventually, you
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West, and they said all right, you're you've expired time for you to

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go. So there could be there
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deviates in that way. I mean
it could be it could be intelligence compromise,

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AID is a huge way that they, you know, cajole and soft power

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control these countries. So they might
they could say, hey, you don't

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want to do this, you don't
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like monetary aid, all of those
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nation quote unquote that doesn't align with
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those could conceivably be reasons why the
you know, the ten put dictator or

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the tyrant or the you know whoever
is taken out. So then what would

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be your solution to all this,
Like do you think those rogue like when

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those countries go rogue, is that
a good thing? Or do you not

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support that? I think in geopolitics
on an international scale, there's not good

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guys and bad guys in any kind
of like easy sense. So I just

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I mean, I don't really have
any I think the world is super complex

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and there's I don't have any easy
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I mean, you know, I'm
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Orthodox Christianity is probably the best hope
for opposing the global technocratic order. So

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that's where I would lie. Yeah, I understand, so as an Orthodox

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Christian. Then I know I already
asked you about modern Russia, But what

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direction do you see modern Russia heading
in? Well, I mean I've never

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been to Russia, so I don't
know what it's like over there. I've

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had friends that have gone over there
many times and spend time there. So

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I hope that, you know,
the revival Orthodoxy becomes more and more of

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a real sincere thing. I hope
it's not just, you know, the

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thing that the media talks about.
It seems like they're building a lot of

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churches. I don't know what church
attendance is, so, you know,

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I hope that it's a lot of
figures. There's a there's a lot of

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different statistics on sure, because because
a lot of the ease off, like

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wignat people they love to say that, like in response to like when any

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of us say like, oh Christian
orthodox Christianity is rising in Russia, they

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always bring up like low church and
they side the old statistics from the Soviet

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period of higher work. Yeah,
I know, and yeah, and I

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have a hard time believing that in
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attendance is like ten percent. I
have a hard time believing there. I

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know, make too many religious Russians
for that to be true. Yeah,

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that's a good question. I don't
know a lot of those the realities of

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contemporary Russia. But you know,
I've had friends that went there and spent

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time there and they all talked about
it as positive experience, and you know

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that there's a real hope for legitimate
religious revival. But do you have anything

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else before? I'm not trying to
be rude, but there's a whole bunch

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of people that want to probably come
on and contend here. So to check

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the other hands you have, that's
all do what There's probably other people who

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have their hands up, so just
let them on. Okay, Yeah,

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good questions, Mann, thank you
for those welcome. H Let's see what's

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I don't know where this one guy
is. It was really talking smack.

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He he said he was coming.
I don't see him. Let's see where

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he's at. I'm not that guy. Let's see Alexander Victory. Where you

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at? Dude, thought you were
coming. Let's see who's next? Is

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what's tainters, I'm gonna, I'm
mute. What's take is precious? When

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you speak of fascist, is this
specifically talking about the Italians or the Spanish.

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I don't think there's much of a
need to make a distinction between like

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who was funding the access powers.
I know that from what I've read.

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Quickly, for example, talks a
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and I think he was even flown
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So I know more about not Franco. Excuse me, Mussolini. Excuse

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me, So Mussolini, I know
more about than than Franco in terms of

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like Western aid and support. Quickly
It doesn't spend a whole lot of time

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on Spain. I think he gives
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think modes of the time, when
people think of access funding and aid,

403
00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:45,160
they're typically thinking of Hitler. But
I couldn't really speak to Franco that I

404
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,400
don't know that much about it.
No, I was just clarifying because national

405
00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:57,880
socialism isn't the fascism. It's not
the same. Okay, you got me

406
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,440
on that one. So what where
am I wrong in what I'm saying?

407
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:08,240
Nothing? Knowledgeists clarifying for the title. So do you do you think that

408
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:15,079
it's not correct that when Mussolini defines
it the way that everybody typically talks about

409
00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:19,720
it as the merger between private and
corporate power? Is that not correct?

410
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:28,759
No? That is correct, because
so that is fascism. Yes, but

411
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:34,519
people get confused and they think fascism
is referring to national socialism. Okay,

412
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:37,799
so as national socialism, not also
the merger of private and corporate power.

413
00:32:40,279 --> 00:32:46,759
Yes, but the okay, all
right, you got me on that one.

414
00:32:46,759 --> 00:33:02,480
Good job left against lockdown. Gonna
mute. Sure, Hey, how

415
00:33:02,519 --> 00:33:10,319
are you doing? Uh? Listen? So this bit about Marxists being agents

416
00:33:12,119 --> 00:33:19,480
of oligarchs because they may have had
some funding at some point from oligarchs,

417
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:27,279
are you aware that most of the
founder founders of Enlightenment liberalism were at one

418
00:33:27,359 --> 00:33:35,240
point funded by monarchies, in some
cases absolute monarchies. Uh, you know,

419
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:40,920
Frederick of Prussia and Louis the sixteenth
Benjamin Franklin. We don't really know

420
00:33:42,039 --> 00:33:47,440
when he started getting his money from
Louis the sixteenth. They were just funded,

421
00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:52,279
they weren't They weren't just funded by
certain elements of the nobility. They

422
00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:58,359
were also funded by Protestants with and
Jewish banking interests, right, But a

423
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,799
substantial part of it was from absolute
monarchies. Does this mean that the anti

424
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,079
monarchists of the eighteenth century were in
fact pro monarchist, or that both the

425
00:34:07,159 --> 00:34:13,000
monarchies and the anti monarchists were controlled
by a shadowy force in the background.

426
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:19,119
I think there's elements of the shadowy
force even back at that time. I

427
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:22,159
don't think that those are mutually exclusive
possibilities. I think that you could look

428
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:27,159
at it just from a practical perspective
that if I had if I was a

429
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,800
king and I had a rival,
you know, the person I was going

430
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:37,119
to go to war with another country, I might, in order to foster

431
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:43,239
destabilization, fund any movement in that
rival government in that rival nation, right

432
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,239
wing and left wing as a way
to destabilize. So it doesn't have to

433
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:51,880
be a single monolithic entity. It
could be just power politics of you know,

434
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:57,199
one king funds the leftist group and
another king's dominion to destabilize him.

435
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,480
Okay, but that doesn't mean that
the local thi monarchists are nothing more than

436
00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:06,840
useful idiots, or that they're insincere
in being anti monarchy. That's simply the

437
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:14,400
standard game of triangulation that people do
for their own interest, not for a

438
00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:20,079
vast larger agenda. Well, I
don't think that everybody in those movements is

439
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,480
stupid or insincere. I think there
are people who are intelligent who can be

440
00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:30,480
very sincere and committed to those ideologies. But you're down on the ideologies because

441
00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:35,679
at the end of the day,
they're just useful idiots. Well, it

442
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,920
seems like there's a repeat pattern of
ideologies being used for other ends. I

443
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:46,599
mean, take for example, the
rotovsky including liberalism, I mean including anti

444
00:35:46,679 --> 00:35:54,360
monarchism in a completely counterproductive way.
I think anti monarchist movements, for example,

445
00:35:54,559 --> 00:36:00,840
many of them were coming from Freemason
lodges, and I think Freemason utilizes

446
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:06,199
and dupes people absolutely. I think
Albert Pike even talks about duping people in

447
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:13,519
his lodges. Right, But but
that doesn't mean well, because it was

448
00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:19,719
a secret society operating in a feudalist
world, right, And now it's there

449
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,480
may be secret societies now that the
bourgeoisie is running the world, but that

450
00:36:23,559 --> 00:36:29,280
doesn't mean that every secret society is
a freemason secret society, right, And

451
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:37,320
every revolutionary, every revolution society every
year, that's a strong man. I

452
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:42,280
didn't say every revolutionary or every secret
society. Person. Well, I'm glad

453
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,440
getting the opportunity to clarify it.
Well, I mean, I'm clarifying what

454
00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:50,800
you attributed to me, which was
a strong man. So you committed Well,

455
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,880
it was an impression that I think
you've left in certain people's minds.

456
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,280
I'm glad you could clarify it.
Well, that's a mistake on your part,

457
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,920
not a mistake on my part.
Well, I apologize for my mistake.

458
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:04,800
Well, I mean, you know, fallacies happened, So it's okay,

459
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,800
we all commit fallacies at times.
But another fallacy I wanted to point

460
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:15,639
out, I think is you know
he didn't point out a fallacy. Of

461
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:20,719
course, of course, so Anthy
Sutton. I've been starting to go through

462
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,000
Anthy Sutton in his book on Wall
Street and the Bolsheviks, and he claims

463
00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:31,920
that Wood for Wilson personally approved Trotsky's
passport back to Russian His source for that

464
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:38,079
is as neat as sort of this
anti Semitic populist. I don't say that

465
00:37:38,119 --> 00:37:44,559
as a judgment. This anti Semitic
populist or neo confederate guy named Jennings c

466
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,840
Wise and I looked at his book
because it's the entire thing is online.

467
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:53,440
And his evidence for that claim is
that wood For Wilson in nineteen eleven,

468
00:37:54,559 --> 00:38:02,199
when Trotsky wasn't in the country,
advocated for all Jews to have all Russian

469
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:07,199
Jews to be able to go back
and forth easier to Russia, not speciically

470
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:14,000
Trotsky, not specifically socialists, revolutionaries, all Jews in general. When Trotsky

471
00:38:14,119 --> 00:38:16,360
wasn't in the country, and when
there was no Russian revolution in fact,

472
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:21,599
the revolutionaries and Russia runs the retreat
because World War One hadn't broken out yet.

473
00:38:22,559 --> 00:38:27,280
Because kind of leaps on his own. So he uses multiple sources,

474
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:32,199
including congressional or presidential cables that were
sent. So do you think those are

475
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:38,400
also bad sources? I haven't gone
through every single one, but he claims

476
00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:53,239
uncritically parroting uh Jennings Wise, that
Woodrow Wilson personally assisted Trotsky assistant generally before

477
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:58,440
the revolution broke out. So you
found one source that's dubious, okay,

478
00:38:58,559 --> 00:39:01,760
find but he also sided the cables. Do you think the cables are dubious?

479
00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:09,119
Uh? Try by the fact that
it's that it's garbage, garbage sourcing

480
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:15,360
on something that he unequivocally claims.
I would say, do you think do

481
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:24,440
you think that Brazensky saw Sutton as
a garbage source? I don't know what

482
00:39:24,559 --> 00:39:30,039
you're refering to. Well, I'm
saying that A Sutton's research was so garbage

483
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:34,920
and ridiculous. Why would Brazinski site
him in between two ages as a reliable

484
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:40,000
anti communists? For one thing,
Brazski is not anti communists. He's at

485
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,480
he's anti Soviet, but he's not
anti socialist, right in the same way

486
00:39:46,519 --> 00:39:54,000
that David Rockefeller is. Right.
What I'm saying is that is that I

487
00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:59,840
don't think that the power structure in
the West would They don't see Sutton as

488
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:04,800
a a faulty source, even if
you have a situation where one of the

489
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,760
footnotes is a bad source, like
I'm saying. He also cites, in

490
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:12,400
regard to Wilson, the actual cables
that were sent supporting him, as well

491
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,360
as the history of the Swedish Bank
or the whole left guy. I don't

492
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,000
have the Sutton Book with me right
now, but there's a whole section on

493
00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:23,039
an old left guy with the payments
given. It wasn't the German government.

494
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:30,360
But you're not gonna all right,
so you're gonna interrupt me. It's excuse

495
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,679
me. You've been talking for You've
been talking for five minutes straight. You're

496
00:40:34,679 --> 00:40:37,440
just bucker because you started attributing fallacies
to me and now you're all you're all

497
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:43,360
salty. You go ahead, sir, So he's okay if I speak for

498
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,159
you know, I don't. I
didn't, but it was well over two

499
00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:52,440
minutes that you were talking, so
equal time, would that be all you

500
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:58,320
left us? Are ridiculous? It's
like this was every time every time I

501
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,480
like there, you're going there,
you go, yeah, I mean you

502
00:41:01,559 --> 00:41:06,559
attributed If you attributed a freaking fallacy
to me, that's called lying. You

503
00:41:06,639 --> 00:41:10,760
know what lying is? Where you
said that I said all liberals are parts

504
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,679
of dude. I'm not interested in
this personal bullshit with you, and you're

505
00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:17,719
trying, frankly, trying to deflect
you said that that you're using barbage you're

506
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:24,400
trying to deflect this into personal Okay, I be deferential. I hope everyone's

507
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:29,800
recording this that I can see how
different going up. But it's your show.

508
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,400
I am your guest. I am
your guest. So if I could

509
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:37,639
at least all time. Yeah,
but you lied. You said I said

510
00:41:37,679 --> 00:41:43,199
something I didn't say. When did
I say that all? When did I

511
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,960
say all revolutionaries are part of secret
societies? When did I said? When

512
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,679
did I said? You said?
All? Right, now you're lying again,

513
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,159
that's what you said. It quite
minutes ago you said you love people

514
00:41:53,159 --> 00:41:58,000
without impression? Who a little bit
more? Yeah, that's exactly what I

515
00:41:58,159 --> 00:42:01,800
said. Yeah, that's what I
said. So that's not my fault that

516
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:07,559
people have that impression if that's not
what I said. Did I also apologize?

517
00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:15,880
Okay? Cool, So we're on
the same page. So you found

518
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,440
Okay, So so again I'm granting. Okay, so this really is about

519
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,280
not letting me speak. Okay,
I'm granting you. I'm granting you that.

520
00:42:22,599 --> 00:42:25,079
Okay. So he's got a bad
source in that footnote, and I

521
00:42:25,119 --> 00:42:30,280
said, he also cites the cables, So we're gonna go through all five

522
00:42:30,159 --> 00:42:38,079
address The cable book is garbage.
Because of a bad footnote. I'm saying

523
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,519
the book is not a quality source. No, I don't think because the

524
00:42:42,639 --> 00:42:52,840
one I wouldn't and not just fing
retort unbelievable. Jake brings something. What's

525
00:42:52,920 --> 00:43:00,880
up? So I mean if one
if they're I don't even grant that that

526
00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:06,440
is a false source. Maybe it
is. I don't have the Sutton book

527
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:07,800
in front of me, but I
do remember in that section that he cites

528
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:15,559
the cables that were sent under Wilson
to support that thesis. So there can

529
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,480
entirely be a footnote that was a
bad source. It doesn't make the entire

530
00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:23,400
book garbage. If one footnote makes
the entire books garbage as a bad footnote,

531
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:28,559
then everybody's book is garbage. Anybody
would know this if they've done any

532
00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:30,719
research. Go ahead of dude,
what's up? What's going on? Jay?

533
00:43:31,199 --> 00:43:35,440
So I'm not going to take long
man, because I'm not in opposition

534
00:43:35,519 --> 00:43:38,320
to you on most fronts. So
I'm gonna speak my peace scory back down.

535
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:44,679
But I think I can give some
good insight on some of the communism

536
00:43:45,519 --> 00:43:49,639
that we're seeing in the spaces on
Twitter, because I've done a few debates

537
00:43:49,679 --> 00:43:52,480
recently. By the way, I
want to add, yeah, so you

538
00:43:52,559 --> 00:43:57,559
can make those points. The book
I was thinking of is uh, Sir

539
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,199
Robert Bruce Lockhart's book, Memoirs of
a British Agent, which I have a

540
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,840
copy of it, and I've read
the last chapter which talks about this,

541
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:10,000
and he is British intelligence ana to
the Bolsheviks, and he according to Coleman,

542
00:44:10,119 --> 00:44:14,280
and this is theory, this may
not be true. Coleman theorises that

543
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:19,039
he's there Zinski's handler for British intelligence. That may or may not be true.

544
00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:23,000
But regardless, Lockhart was not an
in opposition to the Soviets and to

545
00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:30,159
the Bolsheviks. And that's actually backed
up in the Walls Shart Bulshart Revolution,

546
00:44:30,199 --> 00:44:37,960
where he gets into the chapter about
Lord Milner and Milner sending Lockhart to the

547
00:44:37,039 --> 00:44:44,199
Bolsheviks as the operative of the Milner's
circle. So you can go to quickly

548
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,840
or ascieing me two Sutton's page on
that. I that is what got me

549
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:55,679
to get Lockhart's book, and that
Lockhart's book does vindicate what Sutton says there.

550
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,840
Now you could say Lockhart's lying,
okay, fine, says there.

551
00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:01,679
Now you could say Lockhart's lying,
okay, fine, Yes, So it's

552
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:07,559
entirely possible, yes, that everybody's
memoirs that they include disinformation and lies.

553
00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:09,840
But I'm saying, as far as
we can tell from the evidence, what

554
00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:16,119
Sutton's arguing there in terms of Millner
Fabian circles, it seems to bear out.

555
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:22,360
And also the Rakoski interrogation bears it
out as well because he talks about

556
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:28,840
Lockhart. Yeah, so I just
should continue on what I was getting at.

557
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,199
I did a debate about a month
ago with the has guy that you

558
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:35,639
were talking to in your common sections. It wasn't long, you know,

559
00:45:35,679 --> 00:45:38,199
he was supposed to kind of getting
muted, but I didn't even better debate

560
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:44,719
with just another you know they call
themselves mega communists. Yeah, I've seen

561
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:45,760
him on Twitter. Sure, yes, I'm gonna be quick, man,

562
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:50,239
I'm gonna go down. But I
think that's a contradiction in itself. But

563
00:45:50,519 --> 00:45:52,960
it just seems like a way to
prop up more Marxism. But basically,

564
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:57,039
I've sourced some of the things that
you've sourced in here and that you do

565
00:45:57,159 --> 00:46:00,840
on your channel that communism is inherently, you know, funded by those that

566
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:06,400
they call you know, the West
or the capitalists and whatnot, and that

567
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:12,599
Sutton, and obviously, you know, the other Fabian socialists or international socialists

568
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:15,519
not only admit this, but there's
the funding. And for every example of

569
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:20,760
funding of you know, basically Nazis, there's probably three for communists. It

570
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:25,920
basically in the debate, I went
unanswered every time I sourced Banker intervention.

571
00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:31,519
And I really just completely disagree,
you know, with all the policies because

572
00:46:31,559 --> 00:46:38,119
they all seemed very quite literally demonic. But anyways, I just came here

573
00:46:38,159 --> 00:46:43,239
to say that even Sutton kind of
is just a level one. And obviously

574
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:47,239
and other texts there they go into
way more depth. Right, So let

575
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:52,719
me I'll give you an example of
that. For examples, Sutton says that

576
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:57,840
he doesn't think Jacob Schiff was involved, but I've read where Jacob Shiff talks

577
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,199
of our I remember the shift or
war. Everybody says that they weren't,

578
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:04,719
but other researchers point out, no, actually they were funding the Bolsheviks.

579
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,599
I went and found Warburg's diaries.
Okay, so when I was research assistant,

580
00:47:08,639 --> 00:47:13,599
we had a copy of Warburg's letters
and diaries, and there's an entire

581
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,599
letter that he wrote. I don't
remember who it was too, but he

582
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:22,039
talks about the support and aid and
hope for the Bolsheviks to have success.

583
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,840
So and if I remember, that's
also the case with Ship, but I

584
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:30,599
don't remember the reference the ship of
it. Sutton has an appendix where he

585
00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:34,320
says he doesn't think Shift was involved
in this, and the argument is that

586
00:47:34,519 --> 00:47:39,800
because Shifts supported anti communist causes.
But in the same book, Sutton admits

587
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:45,559
that some of these people hedge their
bets and supported both communists and anti communist

588
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:50,199
outlets too, you know, because
they weren't sure exactly which way things would

589
00:47:50,199 --> 00:47:53,440
go. So again, even though
that's not antithetical to Western support, the

590
00:47:53,519 --> 00:47:58,320
fact that one entity, again,
it's very simple dialectical thinking. Oh well,

591
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,679
if Jacob Shift supports uh, you
know, free market principles, there's

592
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,760
no way he could support or aid
a Well, look at David Rockefeller.

593
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,400
David Rockefeller says, I love Harold
Laski, the Fabian socialist economists, and

594
00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:12,360
I love Fredrick Gonhayak. And so
we can see somebody like David as a

595
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:17,039
you know, somebody to transcends that
dialectic. I completely agree with all that

596
00:48:17,079 --> 00:48:21,440
that, you know, nothing cleaned
about it there now, just to reference

597
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,039
some higher even higher in my opinion
than Quickly and Sutton. You know,

598
00:48:24,159 --> 00:48:30,000
you got texts like the United Nations
Exposed by William Jasper and then my favorite,

599
00:48:30,159 --> 00:48:32,800
Uh well, that sounds like a
conspiracy text. And so the reason

600
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:37,079
that I prefer Quickly and Sutton is
that they're not primarily conspiratorial. I don't

601
00:48:37,079 --> 00:48:40,559
I don't know. I'm not opposed
to conspiracy books. It's just that in

602
00:48:40,679 --> 00:48:46,639
the effectiveness of rhetoric, I think
that primary sources from the establishment are better.

603
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:51,400
Now, Sutton is somebody that's a
little bit in Queen because he's an

604
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,760
establishment academic who starts publishing on this
stuff and then runs a foul of the

605
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:59,920
of the academy. So so maybe
he's not the strongest. I think Quickly

606
00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:05,199
again a stronger source than Sutton,
But they're their theses line up, and

607
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,840
so I'm not opposed to you pointing
out, you know this this person,

608
00:49:08,199 --> 00:49:13,719
Jasper, guard whatever. But the
title that book sounds like a conspiracy book,

609
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:15,920
which I don't have a problem with. Like I just read John Coleman's

610
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:21,840
book again, but that's a conspiracy
book, right, So I think this

611
00:49:22,119 --> 00:49:24,519
is you know fine too though,
because I can make a critique of establishment

612
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:29,079
figures being someone that might still peddle
some propaganda. Well, I agree,

613
00:49:29,199 --> 00:49:32,679
I agree. I'm just saying that's
why I said effectiveness for rep not effectiveness

614
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:37,079
in argumentation. I mean, you
know, you can find a conspiracy like

615
00:49:37,159 --> 00:49:42,840
the Ratio book is much more forceful
in its argumentation and proof than because if

616
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,159
I read quickly, he's trying to
convince me of why Western liberalism and democ

617
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:51,000
democratic capitalism or the hope of the
world. That's the hope in tragic right,

618
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:59,000
so even apologist, but in terms
of proving to today's dissenters, it's

619
00:49:59,039 --> 00:50:02,320
a much more effective argument if I
say, hey, the Western power will

620
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:06,880
lead themselves say this, so you
know you can say they're lying, but

621
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,280
I mean, this is what they're
admitting to, right. And then on

622
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:14,280
the line of something to not only
did he write that trilogy, but then

623
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,079
he also came out with the Patriot
Review where Miles's name was literally with the

624
00:50:17,159 --> 00:50:21,320
Skilling Bones. So I tried to
dip in. I mentioned that earlier,

625
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,119
were you in here when we talked
about that when I gave the opening salvo.

626
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:30,239
The Yale Review has the whole publication
saying that the Skilling Bones brought me

627
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:34,960
out of power. Yeah. Absolutely, yes, I mean I'm pretty aligned

628
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,480
with your work. You know,
I've used it on several debates. But

629
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:42,639
then another nest to h Webster,
I know it's conspiracy, but again,

630
00:50:42,679 --> 00:50:45,679
I just want to finish by just
saying this, I've read go ahead,

631
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:50,039
but I've read it. The problem
is that she makes these kind of ridiculous

632
00:50:50,039 --> 00:50:53,559
claims about talking to somebody who had
a machine or some cursed object that could

633
00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:58,679
talk to Satan. So I think
that not always right either. I completely

634
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:00,519
agree with you, So I'm not
saying that she shot herself in the foot

635
00:51:00,599 --> 00:51:05,840
with that. Right, Well,
are you talking about in secret societies and

636
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,960
subversive movements? Because I think that
I wrote that whole book. Yes,

637
00:51:08,199 --> 00:51:13,559
right, although there could be on
what off topics that we're not talking about

638
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:16,239
things that we're wrong. Absolutely,
but I think that when she basically describes

639
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:21,159
that communism basically is a front for
the illuminating and other secret societies, that's

640
00:51:21,159 --> 00:51:23,719
always got source where I completely agree
with you that. You know, it's

641
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:28,079
just nobody who's going to find that. I think that a thesis is true,

642
00:51:28,119 --> 00:51:30,039
but nobody's going to find that convincing. Because the first thing they're gonna

643
00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:32,199
say, is, yeah, is, She's not a credible source. So

644
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:38,000
when I had I had two undergrad
classes, one French Revolution. And I'm

645
00:51:38,039 --> 00:51:42,719
just giving an example of how this
played out. So I had two two

646
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:49,480
undergrad classes on this with French Revolution, and we had two for example,

647
00:51:49,559 --> 00:51:52,400
pick I think eight sources to read
on the French Revolution, and we picked

648
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:57,840
the kind of a variety. So
we picked establishment books on it, and

649
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,519
then we also read, uh,
you know, narratives that question and I

650
00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:04,880
chose the nest To Webster book as
a questioning narrative. I don't have my

651
00:52:05,039 --> 00:52:08,239
library with me, so I don't
remember all the titles of the establishment history.

652
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,320
But what was interesting was that many
of the establishment histories of the French

653
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:21,840
Revolution did admit that the Jacobins were
absolutely influenced by Bishop's illuminism. And of

654
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,280
course, most famously, Billington's Fire
in the Minds of Men supports that thesis

655
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:30,000
as a mainline historian and supporter of
revolution and philosopher. Yep. And so

656
00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:34,840
I'm going to wrap up, because
I mean, we clearly agree. I

657
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,000
just brought those sources in because I
figured why not. I have many others,

658
00:52:37,039 --> 00:52:40,119
But I'm just not by the rest
of my books. So yeah,

659
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:45,119
again I'm not going to take too
much your time, but just again unanswered

660
00:52:45,159 --> 00:52:50,519
on all the examples of internationalists and
what they call quote unquote capitalists that actually

661
00:52:50,599 --> 00:52:53,880
aid and even train when you're talking
about literally the pearls of New York City,

662
00:52:54,000 --> 00:53:00,199
you have Warburg, you have these
bankers meeting with what they called Loam

663
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:05,280
Bolshevich that actually went on that trip
to Moscow as well with Leninists and laterally

664
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,760
did the revolution. Yeah, exactly
right. American Red Cross funds them.

665
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:15,119
American Industrial Corporation is a big element
of this one twenty Broadway. It's all

666
00:53:15,199 --> 00:53:17,920
run out of New York and London, according to Sutton, and I think

667
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:29,039
that's correct. Thanks for yeah,
good, good comments there. Now you'll

668
00:53:29,079 --> 00:53:34,360
notice with the liberal guy that came
in here, as we started fleshing it

669
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,840
out, I was actually agreeing with
his points. But then he got all

670
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:43,320
salty because he said that I've left
the impression in people's minds that every revolutionary

671
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,880
is part of a secret society.
Never said, no idea where he's getting

672
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:50,639
that totally made up. That's that's
a straw man, and that's a fallacy.

673
00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:53,519
And so then he moves on and
saying, well, but there's a

674
00:53:54,599 --> 00:54:00,280
footnote that's a bad source in Sutton, okay, and every book will have

675
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:05,239
a bad footnote, doesn't mean the
whole book's garbage. So he went from

676
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,719
a non sequit or to bad bad
footnote. And I'm not even sure it

677
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,800
is a bad footnot because i't have
to. I don't have the sunt book

678
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,480
in front of me, but I
do remember he cites the actual cables it.

679
00:54:13,599 --> 00:54:17,199
So unless you can demonstrate that the
cables are fraudulent or he didn't actually

680
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:21,280
cite them, I mean, it's
just and that's just one piece of data

681
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:27,800
regarding Woodrow Wilson specifically in regard to
I think was it. I think it's

682
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,480
your Leonard oft Trotsky. But it's
like there's dozens of other examples, so

683
00:54:30,639 --> 00:54:37,239
are they all fraudulent? It's like
he just picks one footnote thing tradition Europe.

684
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:51,559
What's up? I'm you, hey, Jay? How are you eving

685
00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:55,599
today? Good? What's hey?
I just had a bit of an inquiry

686
00:54:55,679 --> 00:55:01,840
and possibly a little debate on the
fashion queston and some of your views surrounding

687
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:09,199
it. Okay, you said that's
fascism sort of originated because of the I

688
00:55:09,199 --> 00:55:15,119
would say, like international capitalists and
so on. I'm not sure exactly.

689
00:55:15,159 --> 00:55:20,119
Well, I don't know. I
don't know that's the direct origin per se

690
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:24,960
of that philosophy, but the rise
of it is directly tied to banking and

691
00:55:25,079 --> 00:55:30,320
industrial elites in the West. Yeah, because in my sources, I definitely

692
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:35,000
don't see that. Because if you
read a very well renowned historian, his

693
00:55:35,159 --> 00:55:38,719
name is Henry Ashby Turner, and
it's a hold on I haven't in my

694
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:44,360
notes right now, it's German big
business and the rise of mister h.

695
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:49,960
He says for Batum and quote big
business support was virtually zero by the election

696
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,519
of nineteen thirty three. It reached
a bit of a high point in the

697
00:55:52,519 --> 00:55:58,199
spring of nineteen o two. Is
this big? Is this big business in

698
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:02,039
Germany? Because I don't believe that
the main support for tiny assessment with German,

699
00:56:04,039 --> 00:56:07,239
Well, it includes like Germany.
He has a focus on Germany,

700
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:12,519
but he also talks about others like
Henry Ford and so on, and okay,

701
00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:16,480
so what episode, So what about
Schroderman. Well, in his assessment,

702
00:56:16,599 --> 00:56:20,639
he's researched this pretty thoroughly. He
went through archives and stuff and his

703
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,880
assessment was for things like Henry Ford
and so on, that he received little

704
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:29,119
to no big business and he makes
the assessment which I quote is only through

705
00:56:29,199 --> 00:56:34,079
growth distortion can big businesses He afford
it a crucial or even major role in

706
00:56:34,159 --> 00:56:40,559
the downfall of the Republic. During
his whole rise from nineteen twenty to nineteen

707
00:56:40,639 --> 00:56:45,519
thirty three, he received little to
no funding from any industrialists. Well,

708
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:50,960
there were two. One didn't really
offer that much and the other one he

709
00:56:51,079 --> 00:56:55,440
backed out in nineteen thirty two.
I believe his name is Tishse or something

710
00:56:55,519 --> 00:57:00,159
like that. I don't have it
written down, but he was eventually because

711
00:57:00,199 --> 00:57:05,519
he dropped his support when he actually
got into power after the election of nineteen

712
00:57:05,559 --> 00:57:13,360
thirty three, he got thrown into
lake a labor comp Okay, So again

713
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:17,800
I'll read what quickly says on ten
fifty nine. Dallas was partner in Schroeder

714
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:22,440
Bank since in London since nineteen o
two, director of the Bank of England

715
00:57:22,519 --> 00:57:25,920
nineteen twelve to forty five, as
well as Lazar Brothers, Fray and the

716
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:31,360
Angelo Ray Ool Company. It would
be recalled that Schroeder Bank in Cologne helped

717
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:37,199
to arrange Hitler's accession to power as
chancellor in nineteen thirty three. So that's

718
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:43,400
just one example of a banking elite
that funded the rise to power Hitler.

719
00:57:43,559 --> 00:57:47,199
And so my argument would be that
as an archivist to the CFR, he's

720
00:57:47,239 --> 00:57:52,280
in a much better position to find
out accurate information than the mainline academic that

721
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:59,199
you're citing. Well, he wasn't
the only person to assess this also Susan

722
00:57:59,239 --> 00:58:02,639
Poll as well, and who financed
mister h It comes to the same conclusion

723
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:07,239
through But but you think that,
so you don't think Quickly is in a

724
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:13,199
better position as a CFR archivist.
In all fairness, Jay, I haven't

725
00:58:13,679 --> 00:58:16,280
delved too much on Quickly, and
I've read half of A. Sutton's book

726
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:25,519
on Okays Adventure so Quickly. So
Quickly is the historian of the CFR.

727
00:58:25,719 --> 00:58:31,440
So he's the archivist and historian for
he is the elite historian par excellence twentieth

728
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:36,920
century. So the reason that this
book is unique is that it's not written

729
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,639
from the perspective of the sort of
the average academic at the you know,

730
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:45,840
public university level. But he's pulling
from And this book was originally suppressed because

731
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:50,559
there was too much in it,
so they tried to destroy the original plates.

732
00:58:50,719 --> 00:58:52,599
But this was the book that was
given out to the CIA station chiefs

733
00:58:52,639 --> 00:58:55,880
in the nineteen seventies because a lot
of second chiefs were saying, hey,

734
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,679
why are we funding communists? I
thought we were anti communist and so they

735
00:59:00,719 --> 00:59:04,519
would give him tragic hope to say, here's the explanation. So I think

736
00:59:04,599 --> 00:59:09,960
that the Quigly has access to information
even even better than Sutton was just a

737
00:59:10,039 --> 00:59:16,559
mainline historian an economist, cut ferreting
out some of this information from the archives,

738
00:59:16,599 --> 00:59:21,599
but he didn't have access to what
Quigly had access to. So yes,

739
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,880
I am presupposing that the CFR is
one of the major arms of the

740
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:30,280
power elite in the West, and
so therefore that's why this this has more

741
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:37,039
weight for me in terms of argumentation
than the academics that you're sourcing. I'm

742
00:59:37,079 --> 00:59:38,480
just not exactly sure. I would
have to do more on quickly. But

743
00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:44,480
I mean, he is he has
a he's like from Yale University as well,

744
00:59:44,519 --> 00:59:47,480
which is pretty prestigious university, and
he's pretty well respected in his community,

745
00:59:49,079 --> 00:59:52,719
and he's had contact with some archivists
around Western Europe. Yeah, but

746
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:57,760
he's not he's not writing the Official
History of the CFR. I mean,

747
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:01,599
do you think the Council Form Relations
is a major power power power committee?

748
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:08,840
I mean, I guess you guess
you're not even aware of the CFAR,

749
01:00:09,559 --> 01:00:14,639
No, I said, I guess, so equait what you guess? So

750
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:21,920
what that is the major power structure? M Yeah. There's another book that

751
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:25,719
Sutton has which is a good appendix
to this, which is his book with

752
01:00:27,079 --> 01:00:30,559
Patrick Wood called Trilaterals over Washington,
because there he's tracing the history of the

753
01:00:31,159 --> 01:00:36,519
CFAR and the Trilateral Commission in the
nineteen seventies, because they actually, if

754
01:00:36,559 --> 01:00:38,239
you watch the live stream I did
last night, there's a whole bunch of

755
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:42,760
stuff that was being pushed by Razinsky
and Kissinger in the nineteen seventies, such

756
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,840
as the Global two thousand Austerity Report, which they really probably to get the

757
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:51,480
Carter administration to put in place,
which is basically the Great Reset. It

758
01:00:51,559 --> 01:00:58,480
relates to State Department Memorandum two hundred
and the depopulation protocols that Kissinger wants to

759
01:00:58,519 --> 01:01:02,440
employ, and it was in justust
depopulation protocols for the Third World. The

760
01:01:02,519 --> 01:01:07,920
Global two thousand Report was also concerned
in for the entire West, and so

761
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,960
The point of aking is that when
you get into the history this be at

762
01:01:12,039 --> 01:01:16,800
far, this will be a big
re orientation about how you approach history questions

763
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:22,880
because they are they are the power
structure in the West. Yeah, I

764
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,599
can see that I would need to
look in the quickly a little more.

765
01:01:25,639 --> 01:01:30,760
But there's still not much of this
would make sense as to why in nineteen

766
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:36,360
thirty three, after he gets in
power, after he's said very controversial things

767
01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:42,519
and going against Western powers, and
you know, the typical fascist stance of

768
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,559
they control everything and if they don't
like anyone to take him out. I

769
01:01:45,599 --> 01:01:52,039
wouldn't understand how him declaring war against
the British Empire and bankrupting like much of

770
01:01:52,079 --> 01:01:58,960
their country and losing territorial and resource
rich places and like eventually South Africa,

771
01:01:59,119 --> 01:02:04,239
and any sense, especially when they
already made perfect sense and perfect sense.

772
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:09,559
Because the game plan as quickly talks
about there's two giant chap. I think

773
01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:14,519
it's too at least one giant chapper
might be too about the dual the dual

774
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:20,079
appeasement strategy of the British hat so
they had a public policy of outcries against

775
01:02:20,199 --> 01:02:24,639
Hitler, but they had a private
policy of appeasement and support to get him

776
01:02:24,679 --> 01:02:30,239
to invade Poland. The British elite
wanted that. And so, by the

777
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:31,880
way, you know that there's a
bunch of British elite that were openly pro

778
01:02:32,039 --> 01:02:37,639
Hitler, right, like the King, the Duke of Kent. I'm aware

779
01:02:37,679 --> 01:02:40,480
of that, and I'm okay.
So so sort of supported the invasion of

780
01:02:40,519 --> 01:02:45,039
Poland because they wanted him to take
the full brunt of the force on its

781
01:02:45,079 --> 01:02:50,920
communism for one thing. And I
know the king was you know, Quickly's

782
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:57,239
thesis is that the Two World Wars
were long term strategies of the Western Power

783
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:01,000
League to destroy their two main rivals, the Hungarian Empire, which is what

784
01:03:01,199 --> 01:03:06,840
destroyed that rival in World War One
and World War two, and then the

785
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:10,559
Cold War two exhaust and destroy Russia. So the thesis of trasy Know,

786
01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:15,199
according to Quickly from the CFR perspective, is that the two World Wars exhaust,

787
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:22,239
deplete and destroyed the rivals of the
Anglo American establishment. So that's why

788
01:03:22,639 --> 01:03:28,679
they're even after Hitler invades, and
even after Britain publicly has their policy.

789
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:34,480
There's a whole chapter where Quickly talks
about the continued support from the West and

790
01:03:34,559 --> 01:03:40,360
from the industrialists to keep the work
the German war machine going. So again,

791
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:44,599
I know it might sound strange to
you, but if you read the

792
01:03:44,719 --> 01:03:46,800
chapters, it's around page seven hundred
and quick and treasure. I'm looking at

793
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:52,800
it right now. What this did
was also put Germany into war debt for

794
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:59,679
the next several decades. The banking
elite wanted Germany in that generational debt which

795
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,440
the war necessitated. You had to
have that war to have that, to

796
01:04:02,559 --> 01:04:06,679
put them in perpetual Western control,
which Germany is still under today. In

797
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:12,400
fact, it was the OSS that's
set up to EU after World War Two,

798
01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:15,800
precisely as the OSS and build Donovan
plant. People think it was Hitler

799
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:19,840
that had a strategy for the EU. No, Hitler had his plan for

800
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:23,599
the EU, but if you re
brought to his book, it was actually

801
01:04:23,679 --> 01:04:27,880
Donovan and the OSS and Dollars that
were the key figures in setting up the

802
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:31,360
European Union. None of that could
have happened had they not had the justification

803
01:04:31,519 --> 01:04:35,239
for it through Tiny Mustache Man.
So there was a real war. But

804
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:41,840
the continued Western aide to Hitler,
even after the invasion of Poland, I

805
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:45,920
think again proves this well, I
haven't seen any evidence. There's like continued

806
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:49,719
Western aide during the invasion of chapters
and quickly on and I'm telling you what

807
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:54,559
the evidence is. All right,
I'll look at after. But to be

808
01:04:54,679 --> 01:04:59,440
fair, this still seems a bit
illogical because your premise is that the bankers

809
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:02,639
funded the Strength Revolution, which I
wholeheartedly agree with you on that. I

810
01:05:02,719 --> 01:05:06,199
agree with a lot what you have
to say and all that. Okay,

811
01:05:06,239 --> 01:05:11,559
so don't make sense because like Churchill
as well, he was more of a

812
01:05:11,639 --> 01:05:15,679
warmonger. He was like anti German
versus like Chamberlain, who is more into

813
01:05:15,719 --> 01:05:19,320
appeasing and Solan and Churchill and Stalin
they kind of have a bit of a

814
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:24,159
history of being pals in the twenties. But that's just assuming that you think

815
01:05:24,239 --> 01:05:27,480
those people are running the show.
I don't think they are. It's the

816
01:05:27,679 --> 01:05:30,239
Quiet, it's the Millner circles and
the Cliveden said that are running the show.

817
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:34,199
Not those people. Yeah, sure, I definitely agree, but you're

818
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:40,360
expelled. Hold on page six.
Listen page six thirty eight. Six thirty

819
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:48,960
nine. Hitler comes to power and
begins his accession in his reign through UK

820
01:05:49,199 --> 01:05:54,519
aide. This is the section on
the dual appeasement strategy and planned. So

821
01:05:54,599 --> 01:06:01,599
this is the dual policy. It
starts on page sixty two of Quigley.

822
01:06:02,119 --> 01:06:08,840
Page six forty three is how the
UK continued to aid aid Hitler during the

823
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:14,119
time when he's began to invade.
Then six forty four Quigly says, the

824
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:18,239
Bank of Inland England gave Phitler all
of the check gold. The Bank of

825
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:24,920
England gave Hitler check gold. Then
there's secret meetings still occurring during this time

826
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:30,800
period in late nineteen thirty nine,
it says, between British elites and Hitler.

827
01:06:31,159 --> 01:06:35,519
Okay, and they're telling him different
things than they what they really want.

828
01:06:35,559 --> 01:06:41,199
They're telling him, don't worry.
We've got elites here that support you.

829
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,480
We got a bunch of nobility,
we're all secret Nazis. We want

830
01:06:44,519 --> 01:06:47,840
you go invade Poland. So he
does it. The UK louns one billion

831
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:55,199
dollars to Hitler page six fifty.
Then France continues to also aid Hitler after

832
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:59,239
the invasion. This is page six
fifty of Quickly. Who was giving this

833
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:04,159
money? Quickly says the Millner,
Fabian, Clived and set. Then he

834
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:10,840
says on page six fifty four,
this was an Anglo American trap to get

835
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:14,480
Hitler to go to war. And
so it wasn't that Hitler was like a

836
01:07:14,559 --> 01:07:16,679
direct British agent, although there's one
guy who thinks that that was the case.

837
01:07:17,679 --> 01:07:24,119
They were basically just telling him,
like lying from perfidious Albion Live to

838
01:07:24,199 --> 01:07:26,800
him to get him to go to
war, and the war was what they

839
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:30,920
wanted to have, the United Nations, So you understand that quickly says that

840
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:35,679
when World War One happened, the
elite problem reaction solution was that the League

841
01:07:35,719 --> 01:07:40,360
of Nations would be a new world
governance. The League of Nations didn't it

842
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:44,599
didn't work. It failed. In
fact, even US, the US Congress

843
01:07:44,679 --> 01:07:47,599
rejected the US joining the League of
Nations under the under the argument that it

844
01:07:47,639 --> 01:07:51,880
would compromise US sovereignty. So what
they did was they went back to the

845
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:56,519
drawing board. And again you can
read H. G. Wells's book Shape

846
01:07:56,519 --> 01:08:00,360
of Things to Come, where he
predicts what world War it will be.

847
01:08:00,679 --> 01:08:02,360
Now, he wasn't a prophet,
he didn't have a he didn't have a

848
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:05,559
crystal ball, but he's in the
circles that people planning the next war.

849
01:08:05,679 --> 01:08:09,400
So that's how he knew what would
happen in World War two in that prophetic

850
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:12,199
book. I think he wrote that
in like thirty eight or thirty nine,

851
01:08:13,239 --> 01:08:15,600
and so he's a few years off, maybe even early thirties if you're the

852
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:19,399
exact year of shape shape of things
to come. But he's basically saying what

853
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:24,159
the next world war will be,
and they'll be flying machines, dropping bombs

854
01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:27,319
and you know, big bambs.
He talks about kinds of crazy tech stuff.

855
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,319
Well, he knew this because he's
in the circles of the people planning

856
01:08:30,359 --> 01:08:34,199
the war, not because he's a
prophet. So anyway, if you read

857
01:08:35,119 --> 01:08:43,800
six thirty up through sixty is where
and then the next chapter is Battle of

858
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:48,680
Poland September nineteen thirty nine. Then
they keep giving aid to Hitler and get

859
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:55,680
this written, doesn't aid Poland.
So they've told Hitler to invade. They

860
01:08:55,800 --> 01:09:00,800
condemned the invasion. They keep aiding
Hitler and not Poland. Why would they

861
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,359
do that if they If what you're
saying, it's the case, well,

862
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:09,920
to me, interest seems very like
sorry to me, it just seems like

863
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:14,960
pretty illogical at times because I know
quickly says this, Why is it a

864
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:19,760
logical if it results in the Breton
Woods bi as banking system. That's this's

865
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:24,960
is the Federal Reserve Bank, the
central bank of central banks. And if

866
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:30,800
it results in the dollar as the
world reserve currency as a result of all

867
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:33,000
this, and it results in the
United Nations and all these entities being set

868
01:09:33,119 --> 01:09:38,039
up that served a Western power lead, it's not illogical. It's perfect so

869
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:44,239
well to me that I mean,
if we really looked at the history,

870
01:09:44,239 --> 01:09:47,720
it doesn't really make sense because looking
at what do you mean looking at pre

871
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:51,359
war and postwar? Pre war they
already had Germany, they had the Weimar

872
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:56,399
Republic. And if Hitler was really
getting all this money and he was being

873
01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:59,640
like the inside guy, or you're
not hear what I said, they wanted

874
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:04,279
a giant war to exhaust and destroy
the potential allies of the potential opponents to

875
01:10:04,319 --> 01:10:09,479
the West. It doesn't mean that
Hitler was really gonna destroy the West or

876
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:12,960
be this real? I mean he
Hitler may have thought that. He may

877
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,880
have thought, I could, you
know, I can really flip the tables

878
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:17,640
on these guys, and you know, we can eventually just he didn't want

879
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:21,439
to bomb written originally, right,
and I want to do that because he

880
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:25,880
had sympathies, and he thought they
were like correct, good airning people or

881
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:30,399
whatever. But it makes perfect sense
when we think about the economic slavery that

882
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:34,720
it would put Germany in in terms
of debts, in terms of the Fiat

883
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:40,720
system if they have a giant war. So again, giant wars are planned

884
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:43,319
by these people, and they talk
about it ahead of time. Again,

885
01:10:43,359 --> 01:10:47,239
look at eight wells this shape of
things to come. Well, there's the

886
01:10:47,359 --> 01:10:50,399
things like I'm looking at it because
of the result of the war. He

887
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:54,680
said. One of the things was
to deplete the Soviet Union. By the

888
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:59,960
argument before with Antony Sutton is they
already controlled the Soviet Union, so deplete

889
01:11:00,399 --> 01:11:01,600
That's not what he said. It
doesn't say they controlled it. He says,

890
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:04,439
they helped build it up. And
so what did I just say earlier?

891
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:11,840
I said Stalin, No, that's
the Bolsheviks, that's pre Stalin.

892
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:15,840
Stalin cleared out the Trotskyiks and the
Bolsheviks when he came to power, and

893
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:24,159
so he wanted a merger of international
socialism with Russian nationalism. And even Brazinski

894
01:11:24,279 --> 01:11:28,319
says this is the every every geopolitical
analyst says this. I mean, Dugan

895
01:11:28,399 --> 01:11:31,960
says this, This is what Stalin
achieved was the revival of nationalism, which

896
01:11:32,079 --> 01:11:40,479
is why the Trotskyids called him bourgeois
Soviet. They called him bourgeois socialism because

897
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:45,239
he wanted to revive Russian nationalism and
make it an element, because they saw

898
01:11:45,319 --> 01:11:48,479
how destructive Bolshevism and Trotskyism were to
to the country. So he thought,

899
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:51,640
well, we got to bring back
some of this, you know, facade

900
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:57,039
of Russian orthodoxy and Zarism, and
I'll take that role. Uh, this

901
01:11:57,159 --> 01:12:00,399
is Brazinski's analysis, this is Dugan's
analysis. Plenty of people will say this,

902
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:03,920
So I don't think that's that controversial. That's why he filled the set

903
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:09,119
up doing the Bolshevik Menshevik plan of
destroying all the churches. He just put

904
01:12:09,199 --> 01:12:13,239
KGB bishops and all the bishop seats
right or tried to right. So that

905
01:12:13,359 --> 01:12:17,119
was the Stalin model, which deviated
from the older Bolshevik Menshevik Trotskyite model.

906
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:23,600
So, but when he didn't accept
Marshall plan aid, that's when the National

907
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:27,680
Security Memorandum goes into into play.
From I think keenan right where they say

908
01:12:29,159 --> 01:12:32,239
Stalin's building up, So that very
moment is when they say Stalin is building

909
01:12:32,359 --> 01:12:36,319
up his armaments. He's got all
the nukes. He's gonna this becomes the

910
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:41,239
justification for Gladio Stalin's gonna invade Europe. We're gonna have to stay behind units.

911
01:12:41,279 --> 01:12:45,000
We've got to recruit and use all
the Galen tiny mustache man networks.

912
01:12:45,119 --> 01:12:48,760
Right, Why do you think all
the tiny mustache man networks so easily integrated

913
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:56,199
into the OSS. Well, they
just want to use them because of their

914
01:12:56,720 --> 01:13:00,039
intelligence and research, and they would
comply easier with the Less than they with

915
01:13:00,319 --> 01:13:05,399
the East because of mister ash.
Yeah, but they had they actually had

916
01:13:05,399 --> 01:13:09,920
a lot of sympathizers, not just
amongst the British royals and elites, but

917
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:13,560
also amongst the os S and CI. Oh. Yeah, for sure.

918
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:16,600
I definitely don't doubt that. But
I don't think like literally every single one

919
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:25,000
or there I did. There wasn't
like mister as you know, well I

920
01:13:25,039 --> 01:13:30,800
said the gay sorry what I said, Galen organ paper clip. I didn't

921
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:36,239
see all of the you know SS
or the very mock or whatever. Oh

922
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:40,680
not the SS, but like the
British Parliament and so on, because they're

923
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:45,760
genuine like sympathizing, they're not sympathizers. There was genuine people who are anti

924
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:50,239
mister h of course. Okay,
look again, I'm just gonna say,

925
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:55,439
I think Quickly is a key text
on here, and he will reorient your

926
01:13:56,279 --> 01:13:59,720
I'm not calling you out and just
saying I think he'll He's a key power

927
01:14:00,079 --> 01:14:04,960
structure writer explaining from their perspective why
the two World Wars were necessary and why

928
01:14:05,039 --> 01:14:10,119
they were wanted. That does not
mean that every person is controlled or every

929
01:14:10,159 --> 01:14:15,119
event is completely controlled. It just
simply means that as players in the Grand

930
01:14:15,239 --> 01:14:19,560
chessboard game, they understand that the
World Wars would have the effect of gigantic

931
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:24,000
debts. And this is another point
that you didn't address, which is crucial

932
01:14:24,079 --> 01:14:28,039
to why they do this, is
that they put they put the giant wars,

933
01:14:28,079 --> 01:14:32,880
put the nations for generations after that
into perpetual generational debt that they can

934
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:36,760
never pay back. And that's what
keeps them in part subservient to the Western

935
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:41,399
power structor. This is what the
whole BIS I mean, just look at

936
01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:45,439
the BIS. Quickly says that another
one of the key reasons why World War

937
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:50,079
Two was wanted was the establishment of
the Brightwood system in the Bank for National

938
01:14:50,119 --> 01:14:56,520
Settlements. And they got that,
and they got the UVN well, yeah,

939
01:14:56,600 --> 01:15:00,600
my contention would be like if you
took me and all that, he

940
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:03,279
would have just joined with the British
instead and fought against the communists. And

941
01:15:03,399 --> 01:15:09,560
another thing to address your to address
your cross your debt point real quick,

942
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:13,560
if I could just for like most
in a minute, The thing is with

943
01:15:15,239 --> 01:15:17,640
because they needed a war against the
communists and all that, and they wanted

944
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:20,840
to put them in debt or whatever, and then Germany needs to be in

945
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:26,800
generational debt. Was really that was
the debt really worth more than losing like

946
01:15:27,199 --> 01:15:30,399
basically the entire British Empire. They
lost all of India, which was which

947
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:35,319
had rich resources. They lost Africa
over the years. Yes, yes there's

948
01:15:35,359 --> 01:15:40,560
like Bancus and stuff who technically still
control they're not, they don't, they're

949
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:44,880
not concerned with Britain. Yeah,
but it also bankrupts Britain as well.

950
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:47,880
In the US was it was pretty
hard for them to get back on their

951
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:53,840
foot, but they and actually quickly
covers the fact that all of this bankrupted

952
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:56,960
the British Empire. But it's not
the British Empire that's a in my view

953
01:15:56,960 --> 01:16:00,239
of the British empires have cut out
for the raw channels basically, and so

954
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:03,760
they don't care about what happens to
the British people. They can just reorganize

955
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:09,920
and re orient and that's exactly what
happened when the Raw channels made their famous

956
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:14,600
alignment with the Rockefellers and the JP
Morgan and the power structure in America.

957
01:16:17,119 --> 01:16:20,199
Well, all right, I probably
had one or two other things to say,

958
01:16:20,319 --> 01:16:25,520
but right now it's skipping my head. I guess it was a good

959
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:29,119
It was a good discussion to appreciate
your questions and push back. Yet I

960
01:16:29,159 --> 01:16:32,319
would just again recommend definitely try to
retraging hope or if not, you can

961
01:16:32,399 --> 01:16:35,640
you know, I did a sixteen
hour lecture through the whole thirteen hundred phases,

962
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:44,479
but good questions. Yeah, thank
you for having one chairman, Shock,

963
01:16:46,279 --> 01:16:57,680
what's up? Dude? You?
Hey, what's weed? So?

964
01:16:59,239 --> 01:17:05,199
I thought I was going to disagree, but I don't know. It's not

965
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:10,479
like you were saying that the West
back to naz Season and you know,

966
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:14,159
incorporated them into this stuff like after
World War Two, which I agree with.

967
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:20,119
Yeah, it's it's but it's specific
very powerful families and corporate banking leads.

968
01:17:20,159 --> 01:17:24,720
It's not the West as if like
you know, America as a whole

969
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:27,920
supporter. It's not the people,
it's not even the senators, and it's

970
01:17:28,039 --> 01:17:31,560
it's very very wealthy families. Is
who's quickly has a whole book just on

971
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:36,319
that's called Angle American Establishment, where
he talks about how this was working at

972
01:17:36,359 --> 01:17:41,680
the time of Cecil Rhodes and Rothchild
and Milner. That's the Millner circles,

973
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:45,800
right, So you could look to
people like John Ruskin and his model of

974
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:47,800
world socialism, how he would see
it, where it's like a British,

975
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:56,239
British centric world socialism. So yeah, but I mean, so the thing

976
01:17:56,359 --> 01:18:00,119
is, that's the one thing I
think, you know, there was like

977
01:18:00,199 --> 01:18:05,319
the CIA involvement, you mentioned Operation
Gladiol and you know other things that it

978
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:10,560
wasn't just like I mean, you
could argue that these elements that worked for

979
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:14,279
the more powerful, powerful people within
the West and stuff, but the state

980
01:18:14,319 --> 01:18:18,479
apparatus in and of itself, you
know, has been constructed to kind of

981
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:26,600
push that like anti I would say, anti socialist, actually anti socialist,

982
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:30,199
anti communist, you know, in
the Western like the rug the world.

983
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:36,199
Yeah, I think that the CIA
definitely had a lot of people really who

984
01:18:36,239 --> 01:18:42,079
were cold warriors, anti Communist Individuals. World Anti Communist League was set up

985
01:18:42,079 --> 01:18:45,039
by the CIA. The CIA was
training all the School of America's people.

986
01:18:45,079 --> 01:18:47,960
They were running Gladiol. So this
is not to say that there's not a

987
01:18:48,039 --> 01:18:53,960
real opposition. There is, but
there's people above the CIA. Okay,

988
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:58,039
there's people more more powerful, people
from foundations, people to run. You

989
01:18:58,119 --> 01:19:02,199
know, these giant foundations have more
power hour than some CIA field operative who's

990
01:19:02,279 --> 01:19:05,520
you know, trying to recruit Soviets
or get them to defect. Okay,

991
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:10,680
that's not a very powerful role.
You know, you're out you're out there

992
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:14,279
trying to compromise people or get them
to be on your side. But that

993
01:19:14,319 --> 01:19:17,520
doesn't mean that you know the big
picture. Okay. So a Kissinger and

994
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:21,399
a Brazinski they're above that. And
what I'm saying is that you know,

995
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:26,319
if you read, if you read
Tragedy and Hope, you're getting a book

996
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:30,840
that was given to see IA people. And so the story is the nineteen

997
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:33,479
seventies because they were beginning to wonder, well, if we're fighting the cold,

998
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:38,239
where why are we aiding some of
the Marxists in these different countries.

999
01:19:38,319 --> 01:19:41,199
It doesn't make sense. So oh, here's your book. Read this this

1000
01:19:41,279 --> 01:19:43,960
will help you understand why we're doing
it, because there's a bigger game plan

1001
01:19:44,039 --> 01:19:48,600
at work here. And I think
that my thesis is just that the Fabian

1002
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:55,760
model of a synthesis out of the
dialectical oppositions is what some of these people

1003
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:59,279
wanted. It doesn't mean everybody.
I don't know if Alan Dallas himself knew

1004
01:20:00,039 --> 01:20:03,000
that there would be a long term
technocratic agenda that would be that would be

1005
01:20:03,159 --> 01:20:09,600
successful through a third WAT synthesis.
You had people in the CFR in the

1006
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:14,840
nineteen seventies who were saying that they
really wanted a third WAT synthesis at that

1007
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:17,399
time in the sixties and seventies,
but they didn't really get their sway.

1008
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:21,520
That didn't happen at that time.
But it looks to me like that's where

1009
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:27,560
we're going because most of these institute
entities and institutions that were set up that

1010
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:31,840
I mentioned earlier, like the IMF
World Bank VIIs that's Alkanesian, that's Fabian

1011
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:36,640
socialist stuff. They Rockefeller are a
big fan of both Austrian economics and Fabian

1012
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:42,039
socialism by Harold Laski talks about this
since memoirs. To me, it looks

1013
01:20:42,079 --> 01:20:45,840
like that's the overriding ideological game plan, which is again, as Brezenski says,

1014
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:51,359
to produce the synthesis. So I
think that Brazenski genuinely doesn't like Russia

1015
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:57,239
and doesn't like Sovietism. That does
not mean that the Western elite that are

1016
01:20:57,239 --> 01:21:01,000
anti Soviet are anti socialist or to
fabian. So that's two different things.

1017
01:21:01,239 --> 01:21:06,279
So again, I do think there's
a real Cold War dialectic going on between

1018
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:13,920
the NKBED and the Soviets in the
United States, even if certain industrialists are

1019
01:21:14,159 --> 01:21:18,039
helping to build up stalling because they
want real war and real opposition, it's

1020
01:21:18,079 --> 01:21:20,800
not it's not all fake. I
never said that, So some bile are

1021
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:24,039
coming on her, so it's all
think. No, I didn't say that,

1022
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:29,039
I said. I'm just saying that
we time and again we uncover information.

1023
01:21:29,199 --> 01:21:31,720
And this is how history works is
that there will be you know,

1024
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:36,920
new information is discovered, New declassified
documents come about, you know, years

1025
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:43,000
decades later. So this is why
history can always be reformed and informed,

1026
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:46,239
so to speak, in terms of
the predominant narratives. So what I'm saying

1027
01:21:46,359 --> 01:21:50,800
is that more information comes out,
you get more biographies coming out, you

1028
01:21:50,880 --> 01:22:00,800
get declassified documents showing, for example, Mark Hacker translates the KGB Colonels diaries

1029
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:04,640
about Lord Victor Roche and what do
we find out with Lord Victor? Well

1030
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:08,680
he's is he British intelligence or is
he a Soviet? Well he's playing both

1031
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:12,039
sides. And to me, and
I might be wrong about this, some

1032
01:22:12,079 --> 01:22:14,880
people disagree with me about this.
It looked to me it looks like armand

1033
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:17,279
Hammer is the same kind of a
figure. And but then people said,

1034
01:22:17,279 --> 01:22:20,039
well, no, he's actually working
for the CIA against the Soviets. I

1035
01:22:20,119 --> 01:22:24,720
mean maybe, but I'm saying we've
got another big industrialist who's trying to play

1036
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:29,800
both sides of this dialectic. I
think I think Robert Maxwell is another figure

1037
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:32,520
who appears to play both sides of
this dialectic. I feel like they're not

1038
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:36,680
playing both sides of the dialectic.
And just you know, people, what

1039
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:40,840
about the people, whether people are
listed though or examples of people that were

1040
01:22:41,399 --> 01:22:44,760
right. But I feel like even
then, like the dialectic is, you

1041
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:48,880
know, between the working class and
the capitalists, or so Marcus would see

1042
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:53,800
it. This is why Fabianism is
really just another I see what you're saying.

1043
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:57,760
No, no, I'm talking about
a bigger dialectic of East versus West,

1044
01:22:58,039 --> 01:23:01,560
what what Prezenski calls the global Mannequean
dialectic. That's what I'm talking.

1045
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:04,319
I'm not talking. I understand that
Marxists, when do you think of dialectics,

1046
01:23:04,359 --> 01:23:09,119
they're typically thinking of the bourgeoisie and
the proletariat. I'm talking about the

1047
01:23:09,279 --> 01:23:14,600
global dialects. That's Sutton's thesis in
the Scold Bones book, is that the

1048
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:19,000
dialectic of the twentieth century. And
you could say maybe even a trialectic is

1049
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:27,720
Western capitalism versus you know, Eastern
Eurasian Sovietism and communism, and you can

1050
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:31,000
throw into fascism in there as well
as part of that trialectic. I could

1051
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:33,680
see that, but I would put
the I mean because even if you look

1052
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:39,159
at Mindcom was a fucking love letter
to England and the imperialist which to your

1053
01:23:39,199 --> 01:23:41,880
point about why they didn't win to
bomb them in the first place, like

1054
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:45,920
they were doing with England and France
that did over hundreds of years consolidated into

1055
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:49,760
ten years, but didn't they weren't
against the you know, capitalist system.

1056
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:54,479
Well, if I remember, yeah, and I've read I read my many

1057
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:56,520
many years ago. I don't know
if I've finished it, but I read

1058
01:23:56,520 --> 01:24:00,279
at least half of it. If
I remember. Early on, Hitler says

1059
01:24:00,279 --> 01:24:03,840
that he sees himself as basically the
continuation of the Kaiser, and so he

1060
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:08,520
actually points out that, for example, a lot of the eugenics work that

1061
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:11,880
he believes in that he wants to
continue. He says, I'm just doing

1062
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:15,439
what the Kaiser was doing, and
that's actually why the Rocketfellers named the Eugenics

1063
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:19,039
a suit in America. The Kaiserville
on the Institute. So I think Hitler

1064
01:24:19,119 --> 01:24:25,439
just saw himself as continuing that operation, and he probably genuinely didn't understand why

1065
01:24:26,039 --> 01:24:28,640
Britain would want to go to war
with him, given the fact that so

1066
01:24:28,720 --> 01:24:30,479
many of the British elite were Malthusian
New Jessie, I mean, he's got

1067
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:35,479
a British imperial ideology. So I
think you're absolutely bright theer. But I

1068
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:39,479
think they played him. I think
what they did was they got him to

1069
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:45,319
go into Poland under the auspices of
thinking that he would get Western support and

1070
01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:50,560
aid, just like they duped is
it Hess? Remember the British intelligence trick

1071
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:54,319
that they did with has where they
got Crowley to go tell Rudolf Hess,

1072
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:59,319
Oh, we secretly support you.
Fly into Scotland and we'll have a secret

1073
01:24:59,399 --> 01:25:01,640
meeting because we're secretly gonna, you
know, support you. And it was

1074
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:08,439
all rus And as soon as Hess
landed that they arrested him because they there

1075
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:14,000
were briticially that genuinely believed in Tiny
mustache Man. But it's not like they

1076
01:25:14,039 --> 01:25:17,119
were wetted to that, like they
Okay, so he we're gonna We're gonna

1077
01:25:17,199 --> 01:25:21,640
use him. We don't have to. Our technocracy, the future is not

1078
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:31,720
necessarily wedded to either Sovietism or Bolshevism
or tiny mustache Man philosophy merch and Russell

1079
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:36,119
calls them experiments, and so I
don't want to oversimplify it as if you

1080
01:25:36,199 --> 01:25:42,720
know, nobody had these ideologies and
it wasn't real. But from the atlantisist

1081
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:48,000
perspective, those people didn't have a
problem with exporting these ideologies as experiments in

1082
01:25:48,039 --> 01:25:54,239
these different nations to see how they
work as control mechanisms. Would I would

1083
01:25:54,279 --> 01:25:58,399
agree with that, but I would
push back into Sovietism because the difference between

1084
01:25:58,439 --> 01:26:00,920
them and him and the mustache Man. When the Soviets came to power,

1085
01:26:01,079 --> 01:26:04,520
they got invaded by you know,
twelve or fourteen, I forget which one

1086
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:09,520
European nations. Whereas when Hitler came
to power, the New York Times said,

1087
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:11,800
give him a bad give them most
fashed man a change. You know.

1088
01:26:12,399 --> 01:26:15,159
He's actually not that bad, you
know. And I think again,

1089
01:26:15,319 --> 01:26:18,560
there are there were many people in
the power structure in America and in the

1090
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:24,600
UK that we're already wedded to Malthusianism
exactly. And by the way, I

1091
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:29,439
agree that it. I mean,
I'm not an expert on this, but

1092
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:33,479
it looks like with the British double
cross of Hitler in regard to Poland,

1093
01:26:34,319 --> 01:26:38,119
that's they basically put him in a
position where he had to do that.

1094
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:40,960
He had to go to war,
he had to do this, he was

1095
01:26:41,039 --> 01:26:43,279
forced into this. I'm not saying
he's a good guy. I think he's

1096
01:26:44,279 --> 01:26:47,000
a crazy sort of maniac. And
I think that in the case of when

1097
01:26:47,079 --> 01:26:50,840
Stalin rejected the Marshall Plan eight,
that that forced him into the Cold War.

1098
01:26:51,319 --> 01:26:56,800
So I think that the elites really
did want the conflicts. I'm not

1099
01:26:56,920 --> 01:27:00,199
saying that they didn't. They didn't
want They built up these countries to have

1100
01:27:00,359 --> 01:27:02,079
a conflict. They didn't build them
up for nothing. So We're gonna build

1101
01:27:02,119 --> 01:27:05,399
up all your armaments and your industry
just so you can have fun and have

1102
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:10,479
a you know, have a prosperous
future. No, it's to go to

1103
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:14,640
war. I would, but you
know, I agree with that. The

1104
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:17,680
only thing is that I feel like
the dialectic is the West and and the

1105
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:23,640
you know, the must bash Man
versus the Soviets, because again, like

1106
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:28,319
they invaded the Soviets immediately and try
to strangle them before they even got to

1107
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:31,079
strangle the revolution and strangle the baby, you know, as soon as it

1108
01:27:31,239 --> 01:27:36,000
was delivered, basically, whereas they
were looking forward to them the Germans going

1109
01:27:36,039 --> 01:27:40,359
over and crushing the Soviets and wiping
out, you know, the idea of

1110
01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:44,560
Sovietism, and because it forced them
to make concessions to their people. It's

1111
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:48,560
like this idea of a fabianism as
you mentioned, or you know, the

1112
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:55,000
national health and then like the different
social programs, which is really the same

1113
01:27:56,359 --> 01:28:00,880
powerful elements doubling out certain allowances the
people to maintain the system that they already

1114
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:04,239
had. They don't like that though, they ever since being created, they

1115
01:28:04,399 --> 01:28:09,279
try to fight in quarterback and pull
back all of the concessions that they meet

1116
01:28:09,359 --> 01:28:14,319
and bring us back to a more
feudal relation in my opinion. But well,

1117
01:28:14,359 --> 01:28:18,279
I definitely think that they want a
feudal situation for sure. Yeah,

1118
01:28:18,399 --> 01:28:24,720
Like what the end goal of all
of these people is a feudal system,

1119
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:27,720
right, So whether it's Maury Strong, or whether it's David Rockefeller, or

1120
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:31,720
whether it's Lord Rothschild, or whether
it's any of these people who might disagree

1121
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:36,640
on the game plan or or the
you know, think about like a football

1122
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:41,800
game, like we might have different
strategies as coaches as what plays are going

1123
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:45,720
to run, but the end goal
is the same. So I don't think

1124
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:51,760
that Sovietism was a I mean it
this way, as you could debate to

1125
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:57,520
what degree Sovietism was a real threat
to the West. That's debatable. Sure,

1126
01:28:58,399 --> 01:29:00,880
you know, I'm not sure.
I don't I'm not sure I have

1127
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:08,039
an opinion on that. Parenti actually
as a thing on YouTube Michael Parenti anti

1128
01:29:08,119 --> 01:29:13,000
Soviet, anti sovietism in the media, and he's this is like nineteen eighty

1129
01:29:13,199 --> 01:29:15,279
nine, and he said, you
know, I just saw the State Department

1130
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:20,640
released it says that there was never
there's actually never a threat of Russia invading

1131
01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:24,159
Europe. And he says, this
is crazy, I did that. That's

1132
01:29:24,199 --> 01:29:27,039
the I agree with that. Like, so that's what I'm saying about Gladio

1133
01:29:27,399 --> 01:29:35,640
and both wim Hoff and quickly admit
that the Western assessment of Stalin was far

1134
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:42,079
exaggerated because they wanted a Cold War. But that doesn't mean that Stalin didn't

1135
01:29:42,199 --> 01:29:46,279
have any power or any level threat
or any you know in kBT agents around

1136
01:29:46,319 --> 01:29:54,399
the world obviously did. But the
exact nature of what threat level Stalin really

1137
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:57,760
was, I don't know. And
I think we start we're seeing a similar

1138
01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:00,880
thing now, you know, where
they're seeing, you know, Russia's going

1139
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:03,239
to invade Europe. But it's the
same kind of like news that they well,

1140
01:30:03,319 --> 01:30:08,880
I definitely yeah. And by the
way, Mirror is exactly what when

1141
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:12,159
Hitler was in Ukraine. It's the
exact model. And by the way,

1142
01:30:12,279 --> 01:30:17,239
it quickly has a great section on
that, and it's the seven hundreds and

1143
01:30:17,319 --> 01:30:23,880
so it's seven twenty one. He
talks about Hitler's movements into Ukraine and that

1144
01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:30,600
this was his plan to take Leningrad, take Kiev and then he would make

1145
01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:36,039
Ukraine kind of a base of operations
right to full on attack Russia. So

1146
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:41,119
yeah, I think the model is
the same that's why there's all this the

1147
01:30:41,199 --> 01:30:45,359
tiny must sashment followers in Ukraine.
Now, it's because they've been there ever

1148
01:30:45,479 --> 01:30:48,960
since, and that's that's the Galen
Order. There's a great article by Russian

1149
01:30:49,039 --> 01:30:55,720
historian that I've linked many times.
He's actually traces the history of the people

1150
01:30:55,840 --> 01:31:00,319
sent from Galen spy network to train
the not seas in Ukraine during this time

1151
01:31:00,359 --> 01:31:04,680
period. But you know, we
wouldn't be real about it, like you

1152
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:09,279
were saying, these powerful people,
these powerful interests that existed beforehand. Right,

1153
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:12,399
None of the things that I'm not
going to say none, that's an

1154
01:31:12,439 --> 01:31:16,039
exaggeration, but a lot of the
things that we're going on, they've happened

1155
01:31:16,119 --> 01:31:19,399
under the mustache man where things that
they've been doing all over the fucking world,

1156
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:26,239
all over you know, Asia,
you look in in India, the

1157
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:30,560
I don't know if it was under
the roads. But in the are you

1158
01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:33,520
saying he's just doing what the British
impart of yes, you know what I

1159
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:38,359
mean, but we see it historically. It's like completely different. But as

1160
01:31:38,399 --> 01:31:40,720
you were saying, why why would
he feel like they would attack? No?

1161
01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:45,840
I mean again, mauthusy and ideology
is mauthless, right, that's seventeen

1162
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:50,920
hundreds of Britain. That's Darwinian philosophy, racial supremacy of the Victorian era,

1163
01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:55,880
that Britain is the most evolved of
all the people, so they have the

1164
01:31:56,199 --> 01:32:01,000
mandate of nature to impose civilization on
the wrest world. That's the Victorian mythology,

1165
01:32:01,239 --> 01:32:03,880
right, So I totally agree with
that. I'll give you a crazier

1166
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:10,319
one. You know, when when
what's his name the most age man came

1167
01:32:10,399 --> 01:32:15,720
up with? Was it Lieban Strong? The one? You know what I

1168
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:17,840
mean? You know where I'm going
with this, Like it was, you

1169
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:21,039
know, the manifest Destiny was no
different from that. But it's because they

1170
01:32:21,079 --> 01:32:25,359
were successful, as why we don't
see it as like some kind of crazy,

1171
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:28,960
you know, historical tragedy. For
the most part, I understand that

1172
01:32:29,039 --> 01:32:32,479
that's how empires operate. Eric Wahlberg, who would say himself like a Soviet

1173
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:38,720
he wrote a book called Postmodern Empire, and he basically says that this is

1174
01:32:38,760 --> 01:32:44,680
kind of the modus operandi of imperialism. Right. There's two sides to it.

1175
01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:47,279
There's the liberal democracy. But when
they feel like their power is threatened

1176
01:32:47,399 --> 01:32:51,560
or you know, I feel like
then it naturally goes to that side,

1177
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:56,199
but there was no word for it
when it was with I mean, Brazsky

1178
01:32:56,279 --> 01:33:01,279
calls it the American Empire, so
exactly. It seems that the difference,

1179
01:33:01,319 --> 01:33:05,199
though, is that they figured out, you know, via I think a

1180
01:33:05,279 --> 01:33:09,840
lot of Kissinger the more I read
about this than Kissinger plays a bigger role

1181
01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:12,399
than people think. I mean,
he seems to really be heavy in the

1182
01:33:12,439 --> 01:33:15,960
whole gladiol P two thing. Kissinger
is the devil. I think you could

1183
01:33:16,039 --> 01:33:20,119
argue that he more people than the
last entry than any or yeah, that's

1184
01:33:20,159 --> 01:33:24,159
what I'm saying. Like he see, he seems to really be overlooked as

1185
01:33:24,239 --> 01:33:30,520
this you know, merchant of death
and uh. And people say, you

1186
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:32,680
know, when you read right wingers, they have all the silly narratives or

1187
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:38,239
like Kissinger's a communist who's a commedy
and then everybody else, all the boomers

1188
01:33:38,279 --> 01:33:41,199
will be like, no, oh, he fought the commedist Cold War.

1189
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:45,279
Well, Kissinger is a great example
of somebody who I believe is at that

1190
01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:48,479
you know, power player level above
the dialectic. I think he's you know,

1191
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:53,399
he recruited Brazinski put him in the
role of triliteral commission. Uh,

1192
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:57,039
you know, He's been there from
the earliest days of when day Rockfeller recruited

1193
01:33:57,119 --> 01:34:00,119
him. So I think Kissinger's a
key figure to again, another person that

1194
01:34:00,199 --> 01:34:04,760
transcends this dialectic who you know in
his In his newest book, World Order,

1195
01:34:05,159 --> 01:34:12,960
the last chapter is Kissinger basically just
saying that the future is gonna be

1196
01:34:13,159 --> 01:34:17,560
whoever controls the tech. So basically
he says the technocracy is coming and the

1197
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:21,880
gods of the future age are going
to be whoever controls the tech. So

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that the whole point is just the
transhumanist orders coming. It's here, submit

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to it, and whoever runs it's
going to be running the future. So

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01:34:30,239 --> 01:34:32,960
again it basically just submits everything we've
been talking about. The last chapter is

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01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:38,960
just technocracy. And you made a
good point about the last thing about them

1202
01:34:39,039 --> 01:34:43,039
being willing to like use both sides, which are first one you said it

1203
01:34:43,079 --> 01:34:46,520
I kind of disagreed with because to
me, like all these Western empires have

1204
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:50,560
been like a vowidly, especially America, it's like a religion to be like

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01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:55,239
anti communist and anti Marxists. But
at the same time, Kissinger, I

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01:34:55,359 --> 01:34:58,600
think he do work with like Paul
Pott and then to but he would work

1207
01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:01,840
with anybody to especially them current exactly. So that was a good point that

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you need, even though I would
argue for a lot more scarce than than

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01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:12,439
moving to work with the other side. Well, I mean, yeah,

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the logic of the cold bar would
dictate that there wouldn't be after the Stalin

1211
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:20,439
rejects the Marshall plan. Ai,
Yeah, they're not gonna They're gonna be

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01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:25,439
working with communist movements less and less, unless perhaps it's to try to co

1213
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:30,079
opt communist movements. For example.
I think one of the examples that Quickly

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01:35:30,239 --> 01:35:38,760
gives that probably confounded many of the
CIA people at this time was the support

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01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:43,039
I think for Tito. I think
he says that the CIA in certain cases

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01:35:43,119 --> 01:35:47,159
aided Tito, which is odd,
but it would fit into kind of the

1217
01:35:47,279 --> 01:35:50,399
thesis that I'm talking about. Let
me yeah, because remember Tito, the

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big grape between here it is,
Yeah, so Quickly talks about that's a

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01:35:54,800 --> 01:36:00,359
page seven eighties seven eighty one,
and so the CIA is aiding or the

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OSS I guess it's aiding Tito,
and he talks about that his page seven

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eighty one. My guests would be, maybe you know, you can sway

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01:36:08,439 --> 01:36:11,800
people over to your site with AID. So it doesn't mean that they adopted

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01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:14,760
the ideology per se, but maybe
they were just trying to you know,

1224
01:36:15,239 --> 01:36:18,880
I mean us AID, I don't
mean the Humanitarian Front organization. I mean

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01:36:19,079 --> 01:36:25,359
us AID. Money is a key
soft power tool of controlling and getting people

1226
01:36:25,399 --> 01:36:29,000
over on your side. So maybe
it's literally the biggest grade between like Tito

1227
01:36:29,279 --> 01:36:31,479
is Tor Tito, and like the
marks mnist at the time was that Tito

1228
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:36,399
was like open to Yeah, let's
start in. Let me here's what quickly

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says. It's not very long seven
eighty one. He says the contrast between

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01:36:41,359 --> 01:36:45,319
these underground movements was sharp, but
to Churchill and Roosevelt, these differences were

1231
01:36:45,399 --> 01:36:48,039
largely nord in favor of the more
immediate question of which was more willing to

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01:36:48,159 --> 01:36:51,920
fight the axis. The answer that
question, at Churchill's opinion, was Tito.

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For this reason, Churchill at Tehran
made the faithful suggestion that the Allies

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01:36:57,560 --> 01:37:04,600
should support the supplies to Yugoslavia should
be shifted from Mahalo Djovich to Tito,

1235
01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:11,000
and that Russia should send military and
that Russia should send a military mission to

1236
01:37:11,079 --> 01:37:15,439
Tito to join the British military mission
already there. This suggestion was accepted by

1237
01:37:15,479 --> 01:37:18,319
the Big Three without any clear idea
of what this change in policy meant.

1238
01:37:18,439 --> 01:37:23,600
But it was a change that was
filled with significance since it meant that Communists

1239
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:28,880
would control Yugoslavia in the post war
period. So they're basically saying, will

1240
01:37:29,279 --> 01:37:33,880
allow Tito to to come to power. There no under percent of you.

1241
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:36,760
That's a good point. They do. They would side with them to undermine,

1242
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:41,239
like, you know, the primary
enemy, which was like the Soviets,

1243
01:37:41,720 --> 01:37:44,680
but then you know, later on
they ended up siding with the Soviets

1244
01:37:44,720 --> 01:37:47,000
over the Chinese. Then they switched
and it became you know, and since

1245
01:37:47,079 --> 01:37:51,720
then they sided with the Chinese over
until the end of the collapse of the

1246
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:56,760
USSR. Well what they were,
Yeah, what what's your what's your take

1247
01:37:56,880 --> 01:38:01,279
on the mouth stuff that I mentioned? Oh I missed that part where someone

1248
01:38:01,439 --> 01:38:05,119
I first one would stayed before that. MAO was funded by you know,

1249
01:38:05,199 --> 01:38:09,279
the with if you could repeat.
Well, So, so it was declassified

1250
01:38:09,319 --> 01:38:12,920
on the CIA website about eight years
ago. It's not you can't find it

1251
01:38:12,920 --> 01:38:17,319
anymore, but they declassified Bill Donovan
training mals A Gorillas. I have Bill

1252
01:38:17,359 --> 01:38:21,399
Donovan's biography, it's in there.
He mentions it going in training Malagrilla.

1253
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:27,560
He's setting up the Grilla network in
China. Oss did. Then we have

1254
01:38:28,159 --> 01:38:34,079
Yale News putting out or somebody dug
up in the archives the Yale Review with

1255
01:38:34,159 --> 01:38:38,319
the whole essay about Mao being a
Yali, which is a special program called

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01:38:38,399 --> 01:38:43,279
Yale in China, and the article
argues that mal could not have come to

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01:38:43,319 --> 01:38:47,359
power without Oss going bone support.
So you know, again that fits into

1258
01:38:47,359 --> 01:38:49,439
this. Now. I don't even
think quickly knew about that. He didn't

1259
01:38:49,439 --> 01:38:55,119
talk about that because I wasn't he
classified until fairly late. But to me

1260
01:38:55,199 --> 01:38:58,960
it makes sense with the narrative that
I'm talking about, and Sudden makes a

1261
01:38:59,000 --> 01:39:03,159
big use of that in his Skull
and Bones book. I wonder how did

1262
01:39:03,199 --> 01:39:05,319
that is? Like, I mean, that was you know, pre cold

1263
01:39:05,359 --> 01:39:10,439
were obviously, but I think the
reason why they did that was because of

1264
01:39:10,640 --> 01:39:14,560
the that they were at war with
Japan and the UMG. Remember at firstly

1265
01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:17,359
that's the you're right, I mean, that's the justification was that when we

1266
01:39:17,479 --> 01:39:25,119
had to aid Malo to fight uh
tiny mustache man. But by what I'm

1267
01:39:25,119 --> 01:39:30,239
saying is that this also includes the
famous betrayal of chen Kai Shack, right,

1268
01:39:30,359 --> 01:39:33,119
so so they the trade Chin Kai
Shack and allowed Mal to do all

1269
01:39:33,199 --> 01:39:38,439
this, which if we're supposed to
believe the mainline narrative, like why would

1270
01:39:38,920 --> 01:39:41,960
why would they be doing this if
they you know, if they wanted to

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01:39:42,039 --> 01:39:45,479
support Chinese nationalism and Chang Kai Shack, But they didn't. They betrayed him,

1272
01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:48,199
Malcolmes to power by the way,
he was super corrupt. Understand that

1273
01:39:48,319 --> 01:39:53,439
Chang Kai Shack was super corrupt.
But uh, but what I'm saying is

1274
01:39:53,560 --> 01:39:57,880
that is there a longer game?
Is it not just to fight tiny mustache

1275
01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:01,279
man? Because the me why does
David Rockefeller, you know, in nineteen

1276
01:40:01,319 --> 01:40:05,159
seventies, right, all these glowing
editorials about malois, Oh, he's a

1277
01:40:05,199 --> 01:40:10,319
big fan of it. I think
everyone is working in love with malis't at

1278
01:40:10,359 --> 01:40:15,199
that time? Well, you read
but if you read David Rockelos memoirs,

1279
01:40:15,279 --> 01:40:18,159
he says that, well, the
great thing about Maloison was that when everything

1280
01:40:18,239 --> 01:40:21,880
was consolidated, all I had to
do is go, uh, make a

1281
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:30,159
deal with who's the guy after Mal
forget his name? Then yeah, he

1282
01:40:30,239 --> 01:40:31,199
said, all I had to do
is fly over there and make a deal

1283
01:40:31,239 --> 01:40:34,239
with him. And he said,
then Chase Bank is the only bank in

1284
01:40:34,359 --> 01:40:41,279
China. So they said it's great
for me as a monopoly capitalist that I'm

1285
01:40:41,319 --> 01:40:44,439
the only legal bank now in China, and will I will be the only

1286
01:40:44,520 --> 01:40:48,640
bank to to to to read China. So my point is that I think

1287
01:40:48,720 --> 01:40:55,119
that's really why David Rockefeller was such
a fan of communist socialist movements. I

1288
01:40:55,159 --> 01:40:58,840
mean, not just by the fact
that he was studied under the Fabian Harold

1289
01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:03,039
Laski. But see, that's what
I'm saying, Like Rocketfeller is a huge

1290
01:41:03,079 --> 01:41:08,920
fan of on Hiak supposedly the von
Mesas Austrian economics, but he's also a

1291
01:41:09,039 --> 01:41:13,159
huge fan of Fabian economics and Harold
Lawski and Milton Canes and all that stuff.

1292
01:41:13,239 --> 01:41:15,600
So and the Mustache Man, they
didn't didn't they didn't even mention him

1293
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:21,239
by name. In the Rockefeller's absolutely
aided and funded the rise of Hitler,

1294
01:41:21,319 --> 01:41:25,560
absolutely, I think. Look,
lastly, I think I agree with your

1295
01:41:25,640 --> 01:41:29,920
point with the Ding. I think
maybe why they would appreciate it math with

1296
01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:32,600
them is if you've got to look
before even when the Koman thing, we're

1297
01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:38,119
in power, they were going through
the the Ooid crisis still like they were

1298
01:41:38,159 --> 01:41:41,560
picking up thousands of like dead bodies
on the speak just on end the day

1299
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:45,479
to day, you know. So
I think to transform the country, regardless

1300
01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:47,479
of who did, was probably impressive
to a lot of people. And I

1301
01:41:47,560 --> 01:41:51,680
think that the CIA, especially but
in general, the defense forces, at

1302
01:41:51,680 --> 01:41:54,600
the end of the day, they're
going to fund who is the best fighter.

1303
01:41:54,640 --> 01:41:57,520
He usually the same thing they did
with the Mujahideen, which became Al

1304
01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:00,600
Qaida, and they planned for Alkaida
to become the thing, but they just

1305
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:03,159
funded who was the best fighter at
that time. And Shinkai shik was getting

1306
01:42:03,199 --> 01:42:08,560
as by the Japanese at that time. You know, Oh, I disagree

1307
01:42:08,600 --> 01:42:15,000
there. I think that Brazinsky knew
the older British strategy of using radical Islam

1308
01:42:15,199 --> 01:42:19,520
and the model of British intelligence which
had long used the Rosin brotherhood. I

1309
01:42:19,640 --> 01:42:25,239
think that when Brazinski was, you
know, saying let's use Mujadeen, he

1310
01:42:25,279 --> 01:42:28,279
didn't come up with that. He
was just using what the old duld British

1311
01:42:28,279 --> 01:42:33,960
strategy, going back to John Saint
John Hunt and E. Sat John Philby

1312
01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:40,239
a t. Lawrence that's old British
and that that comes from people in the

1313
01:42:40,359 --> 01:42:44,359
royal in supernational affairs like Mark Curtis
has an old book on that that's the

1314
01:42:45,079 --> 01:42:47,760
strategy that Brazinsky switched the CIA to
do it, because before that they had

1315
01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:54,600
strategy of panner of nationalism that they
were going to try to do to modernize

1316
01:42:54,600 --> 01:42:59,760
and industrialize the Arab nations. But
they found them, according to Miles,

1317
01:43:00,199 --> 01:43:03,199
and they found them the bead to
divisive and a really they do tribal So

1318
01:43:03,399 --> 01:43:09,720
a much better technique was to utilize
the radical Islamic elements. That would right,

1319
01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:13,359
because that wasn't something Brazinski came up
with. That's the old British intelligence

1320
01:43:13,399 --> 01:43:19,039
model. True, because remember when
or the US when when the Swiss canale

1321
01:43:19,199 --> 01:43:28,000
Christis happened with with NASA in Egypt, the UF actually becked or they didn't

1322
01:43:28,039 --> 01:43:30,840
get it. They didn't intervene.
They were on the side of Nasser as

1323
01:43:30,920 --> 01:43:34,640
some would you know. But I
think at your point, like the way

1324
01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:40,800
that he kind of maneuvered after that
then put him in opposition with the Wiston

1325
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:45,039
and he ended up getting undermined.
Yeah, exactly. And by the way,

1326
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:50,720
Copeland talks about that being the CIA's
kind of supposed quote consultant to NASA

1327
01:43:50,880 --> 01:43:55,079
during the whole period, and again
you could say he's lying. Maybe he's

1328
01:43:55,119 --> 01:43:58,079
lying, but he basically just says
that we were never really that concern with

1329
01:43:58,399 --> 01:44:01,119
with Nasser in a Cold war.
We always had a way that we could

1330
01:44:01,159 --> 01:44:06,479
kind of maneuver him into not doing
too much damage or being too far off

1331
01:44:06,520 --> 01:44:12,439
of a leash. But I'll read
you what the regulars I've wrote in them

1332
01:44:12,680 --> 01:44:16,039
in his From a China Traveler,
because and I think you wrote more than

1333
01:44:16,159 --> 01:44:19,600
one. I haven't found the other
one, but the one that everybody refers

1334
01:44:19,680 --> 01:44:24,600
to From a China Traveler, he
says, given China's vastness, it was

1335
01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:31,079
only due to the remarkable thoughtfulness of
our hosts that the six members of our

1336
01:44:31,239 --> 01:44:36,600
Chase group were able to see an
experience so much during the last few days

1337
01:44:38,439 --> 01:44:45,640
in Peking Siam, Shanghai, and
Canton. In terms of simple simple geographic

1338
01:44:45,800 --> 01:44:50,800
expanse, a week and a half
visited China is something equivalent to trying to

1339
01:44:51,239 --> 01:44:55,119
see New York City in a few
minutes, blah blah blah. And he

1340
01:44:55,199 --> 01:45:02,640
goes on to say that Mao's experience
himant was something that was amazing in terms

1341
01:45:02,680 --> 01:45:09,600
of economic growth and social organization for
China, and it's and he seems to

1342
01:45:09,640 --> 01:45:14,039
speak of this like something he sees
as a model. So you know he

1343
01:45:14,359 --> 01:45:17,520
doesn't he doesn't. He speaks glowingly
of this is what I'm trying to say.

1344
01:45:18,079 --> 01:45:23,800
And uh, and it wasn't you
know when kissing during Rockefeller are going

1345
01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:26,640
there meeting with Mao. I mean
this tells you everything, right, I

1346
01:45:26,720 --> 01:45:31,000
don't think that that these are real
threats. I mean to me, this

1347
01:45:31,239 --> 01:45:35,319
is just just pretty clear. But
no, but remember that this is after

1348
01:45:35,399 --> 01:45:41,560
the signal Soviet split, so they
were like giddy to work with the Chinese

1349
01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:45,880
to undermine you know, the Soviets
at that time. Yeah, but what

1350
01:45:45,920 --> 01:45:49,119
I'm saying is that the reason that
day Rockefeller talks about why he lights it,

1351
01:45:49,199 --> 01:45:54,399
and you could argue with those geo
strategic reasons as well, but like

1352
01:45:54,520 --> 01:45:59,239
he talks about it like hey,
one child policy, consolidating and all the

1353
01:45:59,319 --> 01:46:02,760
control to you know, the superstate. Uh, these are great things,

1354
01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:10,239
right because David Rockeflower is a technocrat. So and again he has personal interests

1355
01:46:10,279 --> 01:46:15,159
there because he's been allowed to set
up Chase Bank as the only bank in

1356
01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:20,880
comedies China. So so I think
there's multiple reasons why he likes it because

1357
01:46:21,720 --> 01:46:27,479
it's technocratic. Yeah, I appreciate
that I'm gonna do more reading myself because

1358
01:46:27,479 --> 01:46:30,640
I always look at somebody. Somebody
should find that, so look up.

1359
01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:35,199
They're from a China Traveler essay,
which is the nineteen seventy nine New York

1360
01:46:35,279 --> 01:46:38,880
Times editorial here I haven't pulled up, but I can barely read it.

1361
01:46:40,079 --> 01:46:43,039
But there's also another. He wrote
two or three, but I've never been

1362
01:46:43,079 --> 01:46:45,800
able to find the other ones.
But anyway, Yeah, great comments,

1363
01:46:45,880 --> 01:46:51,680
good points there, Shaq, appreciate
that. Let's see who else is on

1364
01:46:51,800 --> 01:46:56,319
here wants to speak? It's been
waiting, Kingdom and joy Er, you've

1365
01:46:56,319 --> 01:47:02,479
been waking for a while. What's
uthing? Hello? Hello? Hey?

1366
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:08,399
Uh So that was weird. It
was it like totally cut out and then

1367
01:47:08,880 --> 01:47:14,000
now I can talk. Uh So. My name is Mark uh and I've

1368
01:47:14,079 --> 01:47:19,000
been in the Infrared movement since the
very beginning and recently over the past year

1369
01:47:19,039 --> 01:47:25,560
and a half. Now, after
reading Dugan and then getting into reneguan On,

1370
01:47:25,680 --> 01:47:30,520
and then from reneguan On reading Father
Sarah from Rose, I've decided to

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01:47:30,600 --> 01:47:33,760
become Orthodox, and so I am
in Catechism at Saint John's at DC.

1372
01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:38,960
I've met I met Metropolitan Joe,
and I've seen that you've done a bunch

1373
01:47:39,000 --> 01:47:42,760
of videos with him. Also,
I also wanted to say that very very

1374
01:47:42,840 --> 01:47:46,079
thankful for you, You've You've been
very influential to me as well. But

1375
01:47:47,199 --> 01:47:50,680
just have a few things to say
about the infrared movement in general, and

1376
01:47:50,720 --> 01:47:56,720
then kind of a couple of questions
about your opinions on it, sure so

1377
01:47:57,159 --> 01:48:00,600
recently. Uh well, okay,
So the maga communism thing comes from uh

1378
01:48:00,760 --> 01:48:05,319
kant bought and logo data lists,
which are kind of like they're too like

1379
01:48:06,279 --> 01:48:12,479
uh, I would say, like
lead guys. We we did an lengthy

1380
01:48:12,560 --> 01:48:15,600
interview a couple of years ago,
so from yeah, so so him and

1381
01:48:15,680 --> 01:48:19,600
this other guy logo data lists are
kind of like the lead guys behind.

1382
01:48:20,359 --> 01:48:24,920
Yes, I think that insane.
Oh absolutely yeah, late logo data lists

1383
01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:29,840
is absolutely insane. I been praying
for him a lot, let's just say

1384
01:48:29,880 --> 01:48:39,279
that. But the it seems like
there is uh those guys. I talked

1385
01:48:39,319 --> 01:48:43,880
to Logo on a Twitter space like
a couple of days ago after he posted

1386
01:48:43,960 --> 01:48:47,760
that the war in Ukraine is over
Orthodoxy versus Catholicism, and I talked to

1387
01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:50,840
him for about an hour and a
half and I pretty much laid out how

1388
01:48:51,039 --> 01:48:58,920
I view his view and the infrared
view as pretty much the perennialist Catholic viewpoint,

1389
01:48:59,720 --> 01:49:04,720
the running a list freemasonic Catholic viewpoint. Uh. And then the way

1390
01:49:04,800 --> 01:49:11,000
that in the way that they approach
like Marxism is hold on, I want

1391
01:49:11,319 --> 01:49:14,880
old on. So I got one
question here. So I thought that these

1392
01:49:14,920 --> 01:49:19,920
people were like empirico critical critical materialists
like Lennin. So, how is that

1393
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:25,880
perennialism? Yeah, well, that's
that's something that I found super interesting about

1394
01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:31,079
this group, is they they're not
actually like that they reject the militant atheism.

1395
01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:35,680
Uh, they tipped their hat towards
religion. Hold On, I thought,

1396
01:49:35,880 --> 01:49:40,800
I thought has and he I thought
has In Hinkles say that materialism is

1397
01:49:40,920 --> 01:49:44,319
compatible with what we I mean,
I don't know what do you mean?

1398
01:49:44,960 --> 01:49:48,479
Is that not has In Hinkle's view? They yes, they see that materialism

1399
01:49:48,640 --> 01:49:57,399
is compatible with religion and has a
material Isn't he a materialist? He says

1400
01:49:57,479 --> 01:50:00,720
that he is. Okay, So
again I'm just how is that perennialism?

1401
01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:04,479
That's what I understand. Yeah,
So, uh, it's not that that

1402
01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:14,840
is perennialism. It's the viewpoint that
he expounds on in that he his his

1403
01:50:15,039 --> 01:50:19,720
view is like he's Muslim, right, and then Jackson tips his hat towards

1404
01:50:19,840 --> 01:50:25,880
orthodoxy. But then you're you're saying
that he argues that these are all compatible.

1405
01:50:26,239 --> 01:50:30,079
Yes, okay, yes, yeah, so he like at the end

1406
01:50:30,119 --> 01:50:33,640
of the day, they like religious
freedom. Uh, They're like, it's

1407
01:50:33,840 --> 01:50:39,560
it's funny because when you push,
when you push their thinking to its conclusion,

1408
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:44,039
it is very much just freemasonic liberalism, but more conservative than we have

1409
01:50:44,199 --> 01:50:48,880
today. And and so one of
the things that I really like doing is

1410
01:50:49,039 --> 01:50:59,000
using Dugan's Dugan's critiques of perennialism and
his critiques of Marxism in general against them,

1411
01:50:59,439 --> 01:51:01,920
because they really like Dugan and they
use him as a source of inspiration

1412
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:05,319
as well. And so one of
the things that I found super interesting is

1413
01:51:06,359 --> 01:51:11,000
well hold on so and again I'm
not disagreeing, it's just I haven't read

1414
01:51:11,039 --> 01:51:15,600
everything Dugan's written, but I didn't
I didn't know Dugan was critical of perennialism.

1415
01:51:15,680 --> 01:51:18,840
Maybe he's critical of certain perennialists,
but I always got the impression that

1416
01:51:19,000 --> 01:51:26,079
like he was kind of quasi perennialism. Uh. He could say that he

1417
01:51:26,279 --> 01:51:29,880
is on the surface, but underneath, well, I mean, like the

1418
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:32,560
last chapter of fourth so a fourth
political theory. The last chapter is just

1419
01:51:32,840 --> 01:51:39,479
the total defensive nasticism. So yeah, so yeah, yeah, I mean

1420
01:51:39,560 --> 01:51:43,560
that's kind of something that I've been
trying to work through myself and understanding his

1421
01:51:43,680 --> 01:51:49,039
position. But from his article in
the nineties called Counterinitiation, he talks about

1422
01:51:49,399 --> 01:51:59,560
how perennialism doesn't work because of contradictions
within perennialism. Okay, and so I've

1423
01:51:59,640 --> 01:52:03,359
just uh in talking to logo data
lists uh this past week, I've I

1424
01:52:03,600 --> 01:52:11,840
just have found that if once once
pushed to uh to to uh the fullest

1425
01:52:11,880 --> 01:52:15,399
extent of their of their claims and
their ideas, uh, they circle back

1426
01:52:15,479 --> 01:52:23,920
to very much like how reneg went
on uh was working with the Catholics in

1427
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:29,399
the forties and that yeah, and
and and it's it's just fascinating to me.

1428
01:52:30,680 --> 01:52:34,960
Uh yeah, I don't know.
But my my question to you is

1429
01:52:35,079 --> 01:52:40,039
more like along the lines of,
so, if this is the case that

1430
01:52:40,159 --> 01:52:44,399
these people have these opinions that are
in line with the thing that they're saying

1431
01:52:44,479 --> 01:52:49,680
that they oppose, my my question
is do you think that they're naive or

1432
01:52:49,720 --> 01:52:55,199
do you think that they're they're conscious
and are have some force behind them.

1433
01:52:57,800 --> 01:53:00,000
I don't know. I mean,
I mean, I've I've seen maga communism

1434
01:53:00,079 --> 01:53:03,760
stuff popping up on Twitter, you
know, the last year, off and

1435
01:53:03,880 --> 01:53:10,520
on here and there. I saw
my buddies over at w NN shout out

1436
01:53:10,600 --> 01:53:15,079
to Conrad and OC. You know, I think I think they tried to

1437
01:53:15,119 --> 01:53:17,720
have a debate with Hayes. I
watched about five minutes of it and didn't

1438
01:53:17,760 --> 01:53:23,680
find it that interesting. So I'm
very suspicious when anything like this pops up

1439
01:53:24,159 --> 01:53:27,319
because and again I don't know these
people, so I don't know their motives,

1440
01:53:27,359 --> 01:53:31,399
but I could definitely see something like
what Hinkle's saying playing into the narrative

1441
01:53:31,560 --> 01:53:34,680
of what the you know, the
establishment in the West wants to say,

1442
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:40,560
Oh, look, here are all
of the Russian infiltrators pushing you know,

1443
01:53:40,920 --> 01:53:45,399
Russian communism on Twitter, and we've
now we're justified, and you know,

1444
01:53:45,479 --> 01:53:49,359
whenever actions we want to take so
interesting. That's not to say that I

1445
01:53:49,479 --> 01:53:53,520
don't I'm not saying they're operatives.
I don't have any evidence that I'm saying

1446
01:53:53,560 --> 01:53:56,920
that I can see it'd be used. And I'm always suspicious when stuff like

1447
01:53:57,000 --> 01:54:01,840
this just out of nowhere pops up
on the YouTube Twitter scene or suddenly this

1448
01:54:02,039 --> 01:54:06,800
is everywhere. Suddenly there's all these
people that are flooding like bots into you

1449
01:54:06,880 --> 01:54:11,520
know, my feed to challenge on
the question. So, and I'm not

1450
01:54:11,560 --> 01:54:14,439
saying everybody's an agent. I don't
know that. I'm just saying that I'm

1451
01:54:14,439 --> 01:54:18,760
always very suspicious when I see this. So I think that perennialists ideas are

1452
01:54:18,760 --> 01:54:23,199
always very useful to the establishment.
A lot of the perennialists, if you

1453
01:54:23,279 --> 01:54:26,720
look into them, you know,
they have a lot of ties to Oxford

1454
01:54:26,760 --> 01:54:30,640
and to British intelligence. So I'm
always very suspicious of perennialism, sufism.

1455
01:54:31,159 --> 01:54:38,359
I know that Western intelligence has used
Sufi's quite a bit. Uzz Bondi huzz

1456
01:54:38,439 --> 01:54:42,439
claims to be a Sufie. Oh
there we go. Okay, So again

1457
01:54:42,479 --> 01:54:45,439
I'm not saying he's a Western intelligence
opera iman knowledge of I'm just saying that

1458
01:54:45,640 --> 01:54:49,199
I'm suspicious of these kinds of things
when they pop asolutely. But as to

1459
01:54:49,279 --> 01:54:55,319
the ideas themselves, to me,
it seems preposterous to think that. I

1460
01:54:55,359 --> 01:55:00,399
mean, I could understand it as
kind of like a larpie sort of trolling

1461
01:55:00,479 --> 01:55:03,880
PSI up to call it maget communism
as a joke. But if if the

1462
01:55:04,520 --> 01:55:09,680
under underlying ideology is or strict materialism, I think it's pretty easy to refute.

1463
01:55:09,760 --> 01:55:13,199
Yeah. Absolutely. I think one
one more thing I'd like to say

1464
01:55:13,319 --> 01:55:16,319
is in that in that interview with
oc Cannonist and by the way I see

1465
01:55:16,319 --> 01:55:19,760
OC Cannons is in here, I
really like your work and uh, if

1466
01:55:19,800 --> 01:55:23,760
you'd ever let me come on the
show and talk about Oz talk shit about

1467
01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:27,720
Owes, I would love to.
But anyways, in that, in that

1468
01:55:28,039 --> 01:55:30,199
debate that you had with him,
in the end of it, he's claiming

1469
01:55:30,279 --> 01:55:38,000
that the Hostids are the Hostids are
against like the or the the elites are

1470
01:55:38,720 --> 01:55:43,760
are against the Hassids, and that
that kind of just was a gigantic red

1471
01:55:43,800 --> 01:55:47,479
flag for me. And then there's
also there's also you're saying, you're saying

1472
01:55:47,479 --> 01:55:55,039
against Asidic judys. Yes, and
specifically in Ukraine, because the Ukraine has

1473
01:55:55,079 --> 01:56:00,319
become a sort of Jewish state.
There are parts of Ukraine where they have

1474
01:56:00,439 --> 01:56:03,920
people at the front of the entrance
to towns, uh, checking people's passports

1475
01:56:03,920 --> 01:56:08,239
asking them if Christian, and if
they're Christian, they'll turn them around.

1476
01:56:09,199 --> 01:56:12,680
So that was kind of a huge
red flag for me. And then in

1477
01:56:12,680 --> 01:56:16,600
addition to that, there is a
show runner from the Infrared community called mar

1478
01:56:16,760 --> 01:56:24,840
Joseph who has advocated killing homosexuals in
the streets and is his dad. Mar

1479
01:56:24,960 --> 01:56:30,920
Joseph's dad is very much tied to
the idea. So I just I see.

1480
01:56:30,119 --> 01:56:33,880
And so it looks like, in
other words, they're allowed to call

1481
01:56:33,880 --> 01:56:38,479
over violence and nobody does anything.
Is that right? Yeah? Yeah,

1482
01:56:39,119 --> 01:56:43,920
and it's it's very interesting. Yeah. I mean, if you're allowed to

1483
01:56:44,000 --> 01:56:45,439
call over violence and nobody gets in
trouble and you can do this all the

1484
01:56:45,479 --> 01:56:50,239
time, and I mean, that's
just come on, I completely agree with.

1485
01:56:51,720 --> 01:56:57,680
But yeah, I think it's very
interesting because I think that one of

1486
01:56:57,760 --> 01:57:00,439
the things that people are seeing right
now is that, or at least in

1487
01:57:00,520 --> 01:57:08,720
Marxist circles, they're seeing this,
uh uh, that Orthodoxy is challenge,

1488
01:57:09,000 --> 01:57:12,800
is a challenge to the elites.
It's not, it's it has been co

1489
01:57:12,960 --> 01:57:18,119
opted and it will be co opted
again. But real Orthodoxy is a challenge

1490
01:57:18,119 --> 01:57:21,840
to the elite. Yeah, certain
sectors of Orthodoxy are I mean certainly not

1491
01:57:23,119 --> 01:57:27,319
the Bartholome you Fordham University circles are
not a challenge to the elite. They're

1492
01:57:27,359 --> 01:57:33,159
part of the power. Yeah,
yeah, but yeah, it's it's bosting

1493
01:57:33,279 --> 01:57:40,520
to me, like the they seem
to perceive this, but then but then

1494
01:57:40,680 --> 01:57:44,920
they don't want to push to its
final conclusion. So they're kind of like

1495
01:57:45,039 --> 01:57:49,520
the way the way Gropers see traditional
Catholicism as a political tool. Right,

1496
01:57:49,600 --> 01:57:55,960
So they're basically the pseudo Orthodox version
of Gropers where they see the Orthodox Church

1497
01:57:56,000 --> 01:58:00,880
as a political tools that right.
Precisely, Yeah, precisely, And uh,

1498
01:58:01,239 --> 01:58:03,720
I mean that's that's fishy to me
as well, a big red flag.

1499
01:58:05,600 --> 01:58:10,119
But yeah, I mean it's it's
fascinating, and uh, it's something

1500
01:58:10,239 --> 01:58:13,960
that I've been thinking about a lot
recently with with that talk with Logo that

1501
01:58:14,039 --> 01:58:17,399
I did, and it's very interesting
to me because his position is essentially,

1502
01:58:17,640 --> 01:58:21,720
uh, we are not the same
as the Catholics because we're Protestant and we

1503
01:58:21,800 --> 01:58:29,479
make every man a pope. And
it's yeah, it's very it's very interesting

1504
01:58:29,600 --> 01:58:33,520
because he's just what he's essentially saying
is that my argument was you have the

1505
01:58:33,600 --> 01:58:38,119
same position as the Freemasons, and
his argument is the Freemasons are controlled by

1506
01:58:38,159 --> 01:58:43,760
the pope. We're not the Freemasons
because we made every manopope. He says,

1507
01:58:43,800 --> 01:58:45,680
the Freemasons are controlled by the pope. Yeah, well that I mean

1508
01:58:45,720 --> 01:58:50,560
that like he was following through that. Yeah, I mean he was following

1509
01:58:50,600 --> 01:58:59,239
my argument that the Freemasonic perennialism of
Catholicism is the is the position that he

1510
01:58:59,439 --> 01:59:02,439
takes, and so he was kind
of trying to combat that by saying,

1511
01:59:02,560 --> 01:59:08,680
no, we're we're Protestant. Every
man is a pope. And it was

1512
01:59:08,760 --> 01:59:12,079
just it's a fact. It was
a fascinating conversation. And the whole time

1513
01:59:12,159 --> 01:59:17,600
I was like, holy shit,
this dude is just like objectively and and

1514
01:59:17,920 --> 01:59:23,600
uh, objectively what you kind of
it was the time I was just like,

1515
01:59:23,720 --> 01:59:29,640
Wow, this guy's objectively elusiferian.
Uh in that that guys would say

1516
01:59:29,720 --> 01:59:31,680
yeah, yeah, uh yeah,
good questions. We're gonna move on.

1517
01:59:31,840 --> 01:59:38,000
Thank you for that. So we've
answered a lot of we had some good

1518
01:59:38,079 --> 01:59:41,960
push back. Let's see who's been
waiting for a while here. I don't

1519
01:59:42,000 --> 01:59:45,199
recognize it is now the guy who
was talking about this fact that it originally

1520
01:59:45,279 --> 01:59:47,159
came he did out. So I
don't know where he went, but he

1521
01:59:47,319 --> 01:59:50,199
was he's the one that really wanted
to come do this and then he left.

1522
01:59:51,079 --> 02:00:08,960
Clayton, what's up Clayton. It
just I'm you, Clayton, do

1523
02:00:09,000 --> 02:00:12,920
you want to I'm you, or
we'll just move on. All right,

1524
02:00:13,000 --> 02:00:26,039
we'll move on, David. What's
up, David, David, I'm you.

1525
02:00:29,079 --> 02:00:32,560
Hey, I'm gonna be the worst
person to come into the space right

1526
02:00:32,600 --> 02:00:36,119
now because I actually just jumped in
and I'm not sure what you guys are

1527
02:00:36,159 --> 02:00:42,279
talking about, but I've got high
takes about anything, so uh yeah.

1528
02:00:42,359 --> 02:00:47,239
So basically, I'm defending the thesis
that the two World Wars of the twentieth

1529
02:00:47,319 --> 02:00:54,600
century and the dialectic creative between the
communist East and the capitalist West was a

1530
02:00:55,439 --> 02:01:01,039
in the final analysis, a confrontation
and an opposition the establishment wanted. So

1531
02:01:01,239 --> 02:01:06,479
it was I agree with you right
there. Okay, well so yeah,

1532
02:01:09,880 --> 02:01:12,399
no hot take on that one.
Then we'll move on to the next person.

1533
02:01:12,560 --> 02:01:15,680
Clayton, did you want to come
back and try trying to ham you

1534
02:01:19,159 --> 02:01:27,880
say, I'm you? Uh huh. I'll follow up with what I've got

1535
02:01:30,319 --> 02:01:31,720
you go ahead. I mean,
I've I've stated kind of what my argument

1536
02:01:31,880 --> 02:01:35,359
is multiple times. Well, I
did get here a little late, so

1537
02:01:35,399 --> 02:01:39,239
I might have missed some stuff.
But first it's you know, it's nice

1538
02:01:39,279 --> 02:01:43,319
to get the chance to seeing a
lot of your stuff and really respect what

1539
02:01:43,439 --> 02:01:46,239
you're doing. I grew up in
the church, in the Baptist Church,

1540
02:01:47,039 --> 02:01:53,199
but I was one of those guys
and who actually paid attention. And after

1541
02:01:53,279 --> 02:01:56,840
the war, I really had a
fallen out and you know, had my

1542
02:01:57,479 --> 02:02:01,760
angry at got atheism years and I
sort of come back more towards to the

1543
02:02:02,159 --> 02:02:06,199
side, you know, after the
Iraq War. After the Iraq War,

1544
02:02:06,520 --> 02:02:12,840
that was okay what I participated in
the Marine Corps. So so today's I'm

1545
02:02:12,840 --> 02:02:15,000
not trying to be rude to you. Today's discussion is whether the twentieth century

1546
02:02:15,119 --> 02:02:21,880
conflicts were engineered. Fascism, communism, capitalism isn't today's I get it,

1547
02:02:21,960 --> 02:02:26,439
but I'm I think I'm trying to
bring it back to that which is in

1548
02:02:26,560 --> 02:02:31,800
my analysis. I'm trying. I
continually come up against the Freemasonic networks,

1549
02:02:31,960 --> 02:02:38,319
especially the British Freemasonic networks, and
I find a lot of validity. And

1550
02:02:38,600 --> 02:02:42,720
I was just going to some background
for you know, but I find a

1551
02:02:42,800 --> 02:02:48,199
lot of validity and the sort of
tarply Larusian understanding of Edward the Seventh being

1552
02:02:48,279 --> 02:02:54,560
the primary engineer of the world of
the of the world wars, because I

1553
02:02:54,600 --> 02:02:57,600
mean, World War two was just
an extension of World War One, and

1554
02:02:57,680 --> 02:03:01,800
if you look at all that foreign
policy, it's it's huge Freemasonic British networks

1555
02:03:02,439 --> 02:03:06,000
and he died. I think thats
part I think that was partially correct.

1556
02:03:06,039 --> 02:03:10,000
I don't think AdWords called well,
he's not calling them, but I think

1557
02:03:10,319 --> 02:03:14,560
they the angle that they used was, oh, he was just a you

1558
02:03:14,600 --> 02:03:17,359
know, he was a playboy,
Edward the caresser. That's not true.

1559
02:03:17,479 --> 02:03:25,239
He you know, the notes from
Clemenceaux show that he was directly intervening and

1560
02:03:25,359 --> 02:03:29,920
the world affairs, and he was
the primary person setting up the Triple Entente

1561
02:03:30,079 --> 02:03:34,399
and all the precursor entanglements that were
part of that. So I would like

1562
02:03:34,520 --> 02:03:40,760
to know, you know what,
what do you think about the British Freemasonic

1563
02:03:40,840 --> 02:03:45,920
networks being so heavily connected and across
the world, even in America. I

1564
02:03:45,000 --> 02:03:51,760
see them everywhere amongst business people,
and and I think that it really shows

1565
02:03:51,880 --> 02:03:58,640
that this is part of a much
longer plan. And in British Freemasonry,

1566
02:03:58,680 --> 02:04:05,000
I think it's quite relevant that you
know, they're so obsessed with uh,

1567
02:04:05,800 --> 02:04:11,239
with the Holy Land, you know, so it's there, it's like King

1568
02:04:11,319 --> 02:04:15,920
Solomon and this Temple and we're gonna
and the balt for decoration and all that,

1569
02:04:15,199 --> 02:04:17,680
so this was definitely planned. What
do you you know, do you

1570
02:04:17,720 --> 02:04:26,880
have any thoughts or I definitely agree
that in the eighteen hundred nineteenth century the

1571
02:04:27,359 --> 02:04:32,880
British Masonic structure was very useful as
basically a kind of intelligence apparatus. So

1572
02:04:32,920 --> 02:04:36,520
I think it was the intelligence network
of the British Empire. I think that

1573
02:04:36,960 --> 02:04:41,640
with the waning of the British Empire, though it didn't it doesn't have as

1574
02:04:41,800 --> 02:04:46,399
much influence and power today as it
did then. I do still think Freemasonry

1575
02:04:46,600 --> 02:04:49,840
is a an element in the in
the global power structure, but it's not

1576
02:04:49,880 --> 02:04:51,960
I don't think it's at the top
of the pyramid. I think that many

1577
02:04:53,000 --> 02:04:56,640
powerful people are Masons, but I
don't think that everybody has to be a

1578
02:04:56,720 --> 02:05:00,239
Mason. I think we can just
look to uh, you know, I

1579
02:05:00,319 --> 02:05:02,840
think the city of London is definitely
a major player, but so as Washington,

1580
02:05:03,000 --> 02:05:05,840
So's New York, so it's the
Vatican. I think all of these

1581
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:12,960
entities are to some degree aligned with
the coming technocratic government. So I don't

1582
02:05:13,000 --> 02:05:15,760
know if the definitely I think in
you know, the eighteen hundreds the British

1583
02:05:17,119 --> 02:05:21,479
Masonic structure. There's even mainline history
books on this, like Jessica Harland Jacobs's

1584
02:05:21,560 --> 02:05:27,199
book on Builders of Empire. Now, the British Masonic network was really their

1585
02:05:27,680 --> 02:05:31,279
their spy network. But I just
don't know if today they have as much

1586
02:05:31,359 --> 02:05:34,960
power in these lodges as they did
in eighteen hundreds. But I definitely think

1587
02:05:35,279 --> 02:05:41,720
Masonry exists as a kind of global
network, which still I'm sure it is

1588
02:05:41,800 --> 02:05:45,680
involved in compromising people and controlling people
and definitely has some degree of power.

1589
02:05:45,800 --> 02:05:51,680
But I think today people are much
less interested in Masonry. I mean,

1590
02:05:51,720 --> 02:05:55,920
they've had to have these kind of
like recruiting drives because people don't care about

1591
02:05:55,920 --> 02:05:59,399
it. I think that, you
know, big tech has a lot more

1592
02:05:59,479 --> 02:06:02,640
power in influence maybe then Masonic lodges. I'm sure that some of the big

1593
02:06:02,720 --> 02:06:06,479
tech people are Masons. I don't
doubt that. But I just think there's

1594
02:06:06,640 --> 02:06:11,960
some gaps in the LaRouche. I
think they have a lot of great research.

1595
02:06:12,279 --> 02:06:15,920
I've read LaRouche and Executive Intelligence Reviews
stuff for years. I think they

1596
02:06:15,960 --> 02:06:19,199
have a lot of great insights.
I think there's some gaps though in their

1597
02:06:19,239 --> 02:06:24,319
in their thesis, Oh yeah,
absolutely, But One of the things is

1598
02:06:24,479 --> 02:06:29,199
I don't see any other network or
structure that actually is global. So one

1599
02:06:29,239 --> 02:06:32,319
of the things it's like I'll say, oh, it's not one single overarching

1600
02:06:32,359 --> 02:06:39,840
conspiracy that's worldwide. The Vaticans world
on the back right, I'm saying,

1601
02:06:40,119 --> 02:06:44,119
but there are those are the two
main structures, which are you know,

1602
02:06:44,239 --> 02:06:47,800
the esoteric of each of the monotheisms, you know, but they all basically

1603
02:06:48,079 --> 02:06:55,279
boiled down to Luciferianism in the first
place. So it seems like to wait,

1604
02:06:55,479 --> 02:06:58,039
who whoo, who bolts down Mason. Well, I mean you've got,

1605
02:06:58,720 --> 02:07:02,199
you know, for for for Christianity. I mean, I understand that

1606
02:07:02,279 --> 02:07:06,239
Masonry is sort of non denominational,
and you've got the London versus the French

1607
02:07:06,319 --> 02:07:13,920
school, but the Grand orient but
within like Sufism for Islam, Cobbolism,

1608
02:07:14,520 --> 02:07:19,880
you know, in Babylonian Talmudism for
Judaism. But they all basically more or

1609
02:07:20,000 --> 02:07:25,520
less boiled down to the same thing. So and including for the for the

1610
02:07:25,800 --> 02:07:30,640
you know, the Catholic Church,
it's still that Saturnalia, Jupiter worship,

1611
02:07:31,600 --> 02:07:36,279
it's all those things merge. But
when I look around, I do see

1612
02:07:36,760 --> 02:07:41,319
I don't I mean, like Georgetown
you see the Jesuit influence, of course,

1613
02:07:41,920 --> 02:07:45,840
but what I actually see when I
follow the evidence for who's the mover

1614
02:07:45,960 --> 02:07:49,720
and shaker today, I still catch
the Freemasons more than any other organization.

1615
02:07:53,479 --> 02:07:57,680
All right, well, yeah,
that's that's possible, so appreciate that.

1616
02:08:00,560 --> 02:08:16,199
Let's see who's next, Fletcher,
what's up, gott I'm you, I'm

1617
02:08:16,239 --> 02:08:20,159
you if you want to come on
Fletcher? Oh yeah, sorright. There

1618
02:08:20,279 --> 02:08:26,359
was a little bit of a delay
when you hadn't met a speakers. So

1619
02:08:26,640 --> 02:08:31,279
anyway, I just a few weeks
ago I finished reading Your Resistible Revolution,

1620
02:08:31,399 --> 02:08:37,560
and there was a part of the
book right explains how when like the age

1621
02:08:37,600 --> 02:08:39,960
of kings ended, I think it
was back some kind of hold on you.

1622
02:08:41,720 --> 02:08:46,600
You read one I could Irresistible Revolution. Who's that? I don't know.

1623
02:08:46,680 --> 02:08:50,920
It's a pretty recent book, I
think, a pretty recently written book.

1624
02:08:50,920 --> 02:08:56,680
I can find the author for you, Okay, but it's uh talks

1625
02:08:56,680 --> 02:08:58,560
a lot about communism. But there's
a part in the book when he mentions

1626
02:08:58,680 --> 02:09:05,159
that back and basically, when all
the kingdoms all across Europe fell apart,

1627
02:09:05,439 --> 02:09:07,880
there was a I don't remember the
time or the town, but it was

1628
02:09:09,000 --> 02:09:13,600
town in Germany where there was two
secret societies that were formed. One of

1629
02:09:13,640 --> 02:09:18,600
them was the Freemasons, and then
one of them called themselves some order of

1630
02:09:18,680 --> 02:09:24,960
the Illuminati, and they eventually that
group eventually became communism. I was wondering,

1631
02:09:26,239 --> 02:09:28,279
I'm true about that. I mean, that's the main line. That's

1632
02:09:28,640 --> 02:09:31,159
I mean, that's in Billington,
and that's in most history, like Bishop

1633
02:09:31,279 --> 02:09:39,399
to influenced, so it was Wanaratti
and then Bishop influenced the Jacobins in France

1634
02:09:39,640 --> 02:09:43,119
to be the sort of the communists
of the time. That's correct, was

1635
02:09:43,199 --> 02:09:46,159
that it seemed it sounded like it
was around the time of the founding of

1636
02:09:46,479 --> 02:09:50,119
or like time of the American Revolution, and a lot of the people that

1637
02:09:50,199 --> 02:09:54,640
were part of those like that sounded
like the Freemasons kind of went to America.

1638
02:09:54,119 --> 02:09:58,439
They had a different philosophy of like
you know, independence and freedom and

1639
02:09:58,520 --> 02:10:03,399
stuff and the Aluminium. This is
the Jacobins versus the Grandin's, and so

1640
02:10:03,520 --> 02:10:07,760
the American founding fathers, many of
them were mainly influenced by the so called

1641
02:10:07,840 --> 02:10:15,880
conservative revolutionaries known as the Grandins.
Jacobins are the radical communist. You know,

1642
02:10:16,520 --> 02:10:20,199
we share all share everything, we
share wives, it's all communal Okay,

1643
02:10:20,439 --> 02:10:24,319
yeah, but now not some of
the Founding fathers were also influenced by

1644
02:10:24,359 --> 02:10:28,760
Jacobins, like Thomas Jefferson and Franklin, so it's not exclusively Grandin. But

1645
02:10:30,159 --> 02:10:31,800
but yeah, that's correct. And
then okay, well, do you remember

1646
02:10:31,840 --> 02:10:35,359
what year that was? Plenty chance
when they when that happened. And it

1647
02:10:35,479 --> 02:10:39,640
just seemed kind of weird to me
that all the French reb I mean French

1648
02:10:39,680 --> 02:10:45,479
revelers in seventeen eighty nine. So
okay, I thought it was something earlier

1649
02:10:45,520 --> 02:10:46,880
than that that happened in Jermany.
We'll go back and look it up.

1650
02:10:46,960 --> 02:10:50,520
So seventeen so you're probably talking about
seventeen seventy six in terms of like by

1651
02:10:50,640 --> 02:10:54,039
shopped in Bavaria. Right, Yeah, maybe that was correct, but I

1652
02:10:54,079 --> 02:10:58,800
thought it was even just a little
before that. Well, there's there's people,

1653
02:11:00,000 --> 02:11:03,079
I think one I think if you
read Billington, he talks about one

1654
02:11:03,159 --> 02:11:09,399
A. Roadi as the first modern
revolutionary of that time period. Okay,

1655
02:11:09,720 --> 02:11:13,079
and then let me see what let
me see what year one A. Ruddy

1656
02:11:13,279 --> 02:11:18,039
was. Yeah, I'm not able
to look it up right now, but

1657
02:11:18,159 --> 02:11:22,199
I just garious if you knew what
you knew around that. And then also

1658
02:11:22,239 --> 02:11:24,920
I just started Witness by Whittaker Chambers, which is supposed to be pretty good,

1659
02:11:28,760 --> 02:11:31,319
and I don't know, so have
you heard about that book at all?

1660
02:11:33,680 --> 02:11:37,680
Uh So, now bron won A
Ruddy is the same time period,

1661
02:11:39,800 --> 02:11:43,640
late seventeen hundred, so I guess
v shots would be prior to one road.

1662
02:11:43,880 --> 02:11:46,960
Okay, all right, well compare
those with that. What I got

1663
02:11:46,000 --> 02:11:48,279
I was just garious. What you
do about all that stuff? So all

1664
02:11:48,359 --> 02:11:52,840
right? Thanks? M Yeah,
I mean they've always been people. I

1665
02:11:52,920 --> 02:11:58,560
mean, you can go back to
Pythagoras. Pythagoras argument for communism. I

1666
02:11:58,640 --> 02:12:03,399
mean, that's if you read Bellington. He says that the Aluminus utilized the

1667
02:12:03,600 --> 02:12:07,960
Pythagoraean symbolism because Pythagoras was there,
you know, one of their quote saints.

1668
02:12:09,960 --> 02:12:15,199
So let's see what exact years sub
by Shopt is a little bit Malays

1669
02:12:15,239 --> 02:12:18,760
a little earlier than one already.
Yeah, the part the part that's I'm

1670
02:12:18,800 --> 02:12:22,720
sorry I already hit. Patrick is
the one to speakle at. Patrick makes

1671
02:12:22,760 --> 02:12:33,880
some points. What's up? Patrick? You're muted? Patrick? Oh hey,

1672
02:12:33,960 --> 02:12:37,560
Jay, Hey you doing? Yeah, greeting great space. I think

1673
02:12:37,760 --> 02:12:43,520
you kind of through the discussion of
approved you know, on a global level

1674
02:12:43,720 --> 02:12:48,800
internationally to manage there's a manage dialectic
there. I think one of the big

1675
02:12:48,920 --> 02:12:54,199
challenges maybe you could comment on this
is uh is people struggling to define fascism

1676
02:12:54,720 --> 02:12:58,840
and Marxism too. But why this
is important and I think I'd like to

1677
02:13:00,079 --> 02:13:03,079
put this in your on your with
this ball in your court, is that

1678
02:13:03,520 --> 02:13:09,279
this dialectic is still used today to
manage and steer politics, the rising of

1679
02:13:09,439 --> 02:13:15,399
candidates, the suppression of parties of
populism by branding it fascist or you know,

1680
02:13:15,520 --> 02:13:18,520
et cetera. The same could be
said in the other direction, but

1681
02:13:18,359 --> 02:13:22,600
you see it a lot now with
the war and populism, especially conservative or

1682
02:13:24,760 --> 02:13:31,000
in France lapenne is you know,
is presented by the mainstream media is if

1683
02:13:31,039 --> 02:13:35,119
you vote for them, you're voting
for fascism, so you must vote for

1684
02:13:35,239 --> 02:13:39,760
Macron uh. And so it's still
to this day this dialectic is used to

1685
02:13:39,960 --> 02:13:48,840
scalpe and shape contemporary politics. What
are your general thoughts on this? It's

1686
02:13:48,880 --> 02:13:52,560
a great point in fact, you
know, Klaus the other day was at

1687
02:13:52,640 --> 02:13:54,399
one of the Davos a summit.
To might be an older clip, but

1688
02:13:54,479 --> 02:14:00,319
I re twittered the clip and Klaus
said that for democracy to work, working

1689
02:14:00,439 --> 02:14:05,800
for a sustainable future based on equality. I'm not joking. You can scroll

1690
02:14:05,840 --> 02:14:09,439
down guys and see that the quote. He says, governments need to make

1691
02:14:09,600 --> 02:14:16,520
an alliance with private interests, and
he calls upon the governments of the world

1692
02:14:16,199 --> 02:14:22,840
to align with his corporate representative interests. And this is what he defines a

1693
02:14:22,920 --> 02:14:30,000
stakeholder capitalism. So get this.
His very definition of stakeholder capitalism is the

1694
02:14:30,199 --> 02:14:35,159
full cooperation and subordination of governments to
private corporate interests. And he calls it

1695
02:14:35,319 --> 02:14:41,119
the public Oh you mean, in
other words, the exact definition of fascism.

1696
02:14:41,640 --> 02:14:48,880
So they're actually literally saying fascism from
the mouths of clouds recently at that

1697
02:14:48,960 --> 02:14:56,239
World Government summit, calling for all
the sovereign governments to literally submit to Davos.

1698
02:14:58,520 --> 02:15:03,279
What is the definition of fashion?
But at the same time, as

1699
02:15:03,359 --> 02:15:11,279
Patrick absolutely correctly pointed out, anybody
that challenges the narratives is immediately branded a

1700
02:15:13,000 --> 02:15:18,079
fascist and a Nazi, which is
completely ridiculous to call even Donald Trump or

1701
02:15:18,119 --> 02:15:22,279
any of the Libertarians or any of
the main line just in any way if

1702
02:15:22,319 --> 02:15:26,199
you disagree, so and then that
can be applied to people who are on

1703
02:15:26,279 --> 02:15:31,680
the left side of the spectrum Joe
Rogan, Right Russell brand they're colluding and

1704
02:15:31,760 --> 02:15:35,880
they're fascist now, or you can
be on the conservative right wing perspective right

1705
02:15:37,319 --> 02:15:43,119
Alice Jones, Donald Trump, fascists, Neo Nazis and so has. It's

1706
02:15:43,159 --> 02:15:48,439
completely divorced from history. Ironically,
that usage of it, and yet the

1707
02:15:48,640 --> 02:15:54,159
very thing that is the definition of
fascism. Klaus can literally call for total

1708
02:15:54,359 --> 02:15:58,319
collusion between public and private interests and
no one bats an eye and no one

1709
02:15:58,399 --> 02:16:01,279
calls the fascism. It's just amazing
things. So that's a great point that

1710
02:16:01,840 --> 02:16:07,119
all of these uh, these dialectical
manipulation tools, which were you know,

1711
02:16:07,960 --> 02:16:11,520
really established, I guess you could
say in the Cold War, they're still

1712
02:16:11,640 --> 02:16:15,600
there today, right, And so
I guess we're just supposed to basically just

1713
02:16:16,800 --> 02:16:20,479
whatever the establishment says we have to
submit to and obey or else we're fascists.

1714
02:16:20,640 --> 02:16:24,000
I mean that is that The worst
part right now is it's like a

1715
02:16:24,119 --> 02:16:30,760
total it's a spectrum that's completely relative. So if you're branded as far right

1716
02:16:31,000 --> 02:16:33,319
or someone says, oh that's far
right, then that's seen as the gateway

1717
02:16:33,440 --> 02:16:39,920
drug to fascism, which means it's
the you know, early stages of hitlarianism,

1718
02:16:39,120 --> 02:16:45,120
so it immediately will get dismissed.
And I've seen so many different candidates

1719
02:16:45,319 --> 02:16:50,040
just completely sidelined, uh you know, using these sort of uh this tactic

1720
02:16:50,159 --> 02:16:56,559
and we're still slaves to this dialectic
in the twenty twenty three, which to

1721
02:16:56,639 --> 02:17:00,959
me is incredible considering a lot of
people can't even agree on the definitions of

1722
02:17:01,040 --> 02:17:05,719
these words. When you really drill
down into kind of intellectual debate. Well,

1723
02:17:05,799 --> 02:17:11,479
it's funny because you know, you
can have Black Rocks CEO basically saying

1724
02:17:11,600 --> 02:17:16,079
that the corporations are going to align
and collude with governments and they're going to

1725
02:17:16,319 --> 02:17:20,920
enforce and he says, well,
we'll make you do this, so the

1726
02:17:20,959 --> 02:17:24,040
Black Rock guy can get in there
and say that everybody will be forced to

1727
02:17:24,559 --> 02:17:31,799
submit to SDGs, d I all
their acronyms, which is just I mean,

1728
02:17:33,879 --> 02:17:37,079
did Hitler and did any of the
fascists actually go that far? And

1729
02:17:37,239 --> 02:17:39,959
like did they openly even speak this
way? I mean it's like it's like

1730
02:17:41,040 --> 02:17:43,799
Clouds Can and Larry Think can literally
just say, uh, yeah, we're

1731
02:17:43,840 --> 02:17:48,239
going to use the governments to force
you to do what the corporations want,

1732
02:17:48,559 --> 02:17:52,600
and uh, you know this is
for democracy. I mean just just insane,

1733
02:17:52,879 --> 02:17:56,840
right, just none of it makes
any sense. But yeah, but

1734
02:17:56,959 --> 02:18:03,479
if you what, you want to
have a business, you're that's now fascist.

1735
02:18:03,760 --> 02:18:07,920
If you want to have private properties, fascism. If you if you

1736
02:18:07,000 --> 02:18:11,639
don't want to you know, own
nothing, if you don't want to eat

1737
02:18:11,680 --> 02:18:15,399
the bugs, you're fascist basically.
And by the way, as I pointed

1738
02:18:15,440 --> 02:18:18,959
out that the Channel four I thought
he was a BBC present the Channel Channel

1739
02:18:18,000 --> 02:18:24,399
four presenter can actually just like some
of these you know, suspicious radical groups.

1740
02:18:24,600 --> 02:18:28,040
He can get on there and say
it's time for illegal actions for climate

1741
02:18:28,159 --> 02:18:31,680
change. Not for me. But
but if any of you out there want

1742
02:18:31,719 --> 02:18:33,760
to do the illegal actions, I
support you, but I'm not going to

1743
02:18:33,840 --> 02:18:37,879
do it. But uh so,
yeah, so you can call for violence

1744
02:18:37,959 --> 02:18:45,520
if you're the establishment figures, right, establishment, fake accountter revolutionary revolutionaries,

1745
02:18:45,600 --> 02:18:48,079
right, they can do whatever they
want. They get they get a basically

1746
02:18:48,120 --> 02:18:54,200
a free pass. But if you're
Russell Brand, if you're you know,

1747
02:18:54,520 --> 02:18:58,200
even if you're on leftist and you
barely deviate right, you're immediately branded fascist.

1748
02:18:58,440 --> 02:19:03,920
As says just another quick when I
was going to get your thoughts on

1749
02:19:05,040 --> 02:19:09,319
antifa, it's it is a kind
of a global concept before it became the

1750
02:19:09,440 --> 02:19:15,360
kind of LARPing caricature of what it
is now in Portland. But I used

1751
02:19:15,399 --> 02:19:18,959
to travel around the world and see
you know, spray painted and graffiti antifa,

1752
02:19:20,239 --> 02:19:26,280
anti fascist. So there's a concept
there that's very attractive to certain type

1753
02:19:26,319 --> 02:19:30,959
of socialist revolutionary for instance. So
what is the vision in their head is

1754
02:19:31,040 --> 02:19:33,639
that they're opposing. Is it still
Hitler? There has to be some kind

1755
02:19:33,680 --> 02:19:39,440
of a driving for some attraction there, and it's clearly it's become something completely

1756
02:19:39,520 --> 02:19:45,920
different. Now that's a good question, So my guests would be and I

1757
02:19:45,959 --> 02:19:48,079
don't know. I've been looked into
the history of the anti fascist movements.

1758
02:19:48,120 --> 02:19:52,639
I do remember some of the if
I recall, weren't weren't some of the

1759
02:19:52,719 --> 02:19:58,120
early quote antifa or anti fascist movements
part of the what were they called the

1760
02:19:58,680 --> 02:20:05,239
like the the anti Hitler Rose movement. I think they would adopt that terminology

1761
02:20:05,280 --> 02:20:09,239
of being anti fascist. So you
know, when there's a Hitler figure there,

1762
02:20:09,280 --> 02:20:13,159
I suppose it makes sense to have
this kind of a movement. I

1763
02:20:13,520 --> 02:20:16,399
knew a girl in college who I
think she was doing like her undergrad thesis

1764
02:20:16,520 --> 02:20:22,760
on on the the the anti Hitler
Rose movement that people would know more about

1765
02:20:22,799 --> 02:20:28,280
that than I do. But that's
why I'm thinking where the terminology arises from.

1766
02:20:30,399 --> 02:20:35,000
And then now it's co opted essentially
to be an arm of you know,

1767
02:20:35,399 --> 02:20:39,719
basically like Ford Foundation, So Rose
Foundation, like you know, it's

1768
02:20:39,719 --> 02:20:43,559
just a totally foundation run fake is
it? Is it anarchist? I mean,

1769
02:20:43,920 --> 02:20:48,440
do they have like a statement of
public we affirm public anarchy because I

1770
02:20:48,520 --> 02:20:54,040
can't understand any other ideological movement other
than like we were against all forms of

1771
02:20:54,280 --> 02:21:00,600
order, and so now fascism is
basic anti fascism basically equated with anarchism or

1772
02:21:00,639 --> 02:21:03,719
cynicalism. But I mean that's not
what the history of the quote anti fascist

1773
02:21:03,799 --> 02:21:11,520
movement is. Anti Fascism historically is
like that anti hitlarian movements in Europe,

1774
02:21:11,559 --> 02:21:15,559
isn't it. Yeah, there would
be. They would all identify as progressive,

1775
02:21:15,639 --> 02:21:18,159
I would imagine, at least in
America could say so. But so

1776
02:21:18,319 --> 02:21:24,879
they are pro structure, they're pro
enforcing gender ideology and compelled speech, and

1777
02:21:26,399 --> 02:21:31,000
probably most of them vote Democrats.
So I wouldn't necessarily call this lot anarchist.

1778
02:21:31,200 --> 02:21:39,719
But yeah, yeah, those are
great points. I mean I would

1779
02:21:39,719 --> 02:21:43,920
say that that's definitely a controlled situation. Now Alexander, who wanted to debate,

1780
02:21:45,040 --> 02:22:01,879
came back. So what's up,
elegent? Just I'm mute, m

1781
02:22:03,520 --> 02:22:11,639
ei there, h are you there? Can you hear me? Yeah?

1782
02:22:11,680 --> 02:22:18,639
You're on muted? Okay, right, I hope not to be the guy

1783
02:22:18,760 --> 02:22:24,200
that you were talking that was to
start. Well, you took gets you

1784
02:22:24,360 --> 02:22:26,360
with with my comments that I didn't
have any evidence. So, I mean,

1785
02:22:26,479 --> 02:22:30,520
we've been presenting a lot of evidence
so far. So what what's your

1786
02:22:30,559 --> 02:22:35,079
disagreement? Yeah, just to explain, it was really weird because you told

1787
02:22:35,120 --> 02:22:39,360
me the time, but it was
already in my path. I was thinking,

1788
02:22:41,959 --> 02:22:43,680
oh, that's funny. Yeah,
I got you, no problem,

1789
02:22:43,000 --> 02:23:16,000
no problem, m hm okay,
okay. By the way, just to

1790
02:23:16,120 --> 02:23:18,680
interrupt that, what I was trying
to think of was Sophie Shoal And she

1791
02:23:18,920 --> 02:23:24,280
was the White Rose movement in Germany
that opposed Hitler. So that's what I

1792
02:23:24,319 --> 02:23:54,000
was trying to remember. Go ahead, No, I've not talked to Hayes.

1793
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I've not m Well, I just
first of all, I can't fathom

1794
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how Bolshevism wouldn't be funded and aided
by the West. I mean, I

1795
02:24:13,000 --> 02:24:20,000
think there's abundance of evidence for that. And also I can't fathom how materialism

1796
02:24:20,520 --> 02:24:24,200
would be something you know that that's
defensible. So I just don't understand,

1797
02:24:24,319 --> 02:24:30,200
like what. I'm not opposed to
having a debate, but I just like,

1798
02:24:30,639 --> 02:24:35,079
to me, it seems like the
pre suppositions of empirical critical materialism like

1799
02:24:35,200 --> 02:24:52,479
Lennon talks about. I mean that
would be our point of departure about about

1800
02:24:52,520 --> 02:25:24,319
Lennen? Are you talking about how
Okay? Correct? Thank you? And

1801
02:25:24,520 --> 02:25:28,440
you so you you think this is
a completely organic thing. You don't think

1802
02:25:28,479 --> 02:25:39,799
there's anything at about it at all? M h. Well okay, but

1803
02:25:41,159 --> 02:25:43,959
the fact that you followed in two
years ago doesn't have anything to do with

1804
02:25:43,079 --> 02:26:24,840
whether it's organic. Kay. So
let's kind of the takes like are you

1805
02:26:24,920 --> 02:26:37,520
a materialist? Like a rot?
Do you think materialism is true? Okay?

1806
02:26:37,559 --> 02:26:39,879
What I'm talking to you? So, like what are your views?

1807
02:26:39,959 --> 02:27:16,959
You agree with him? You know? Okay? Okay? Yeah, yeah,

1808
02:27:22,399 --> 02:27:24,239
okay, So let's go let's talk
about material like materialism? How do

1809
02:27:24,319 --> 02:27:30,000
we why should we think materialism is
correct? How do you know or give

1810
02:27:30,000 --> 02:27:50,920
an account or justification for that belief? Yeah? Are you saying hold on?

1811
02:27:52,000 --> 02:27:58,920
Are you saying me personally or everybody
in the West. Okay, Okay,

1812
02:28:01,600 --> 02:28:05,159
so and so so so Sculling Bones
was not involved in the rise of

1813
02:28:05,239 --> 02:28:13,000
mout Okay. So the pieces of
evidence that I gave, what are those?

1814
02:28:13,159 --> 02:28:20,079
Where are there? Well? Then
wait a minute, So if you

1815
02:28:20,120 --> 02:28:22,799
didn't catch most of the stream,
how do you know those those evidences that

1816
02:28:22,840 --> 02:28:28,959
I gave her false? You just
said, you just said it was wrong

1817
02:28:28,120 --> 02:28:48,079
wrong? What? Okay? I
get multiple examples of MAO and Maoism being

1818
02:28:48,159 --> 02:28:52,559
aided by Sculling Bones in the West. Bill Donovan trained Maus guerrillas. Mau

1819
02:28:52,760 --> 02:28:56,479
was a Yali. This is in
Yale Review. Those are examples that I

1820
02:28:56,600 --> 02:29:07,319
gave. I've presented that evidence mount
countless times. It is well known.

1821
02:29:11,360 --> 02:29:13,440
So but what am I So?
You're old? No, you're so you're

1822
02:29:13,479 --> 02:29:16,079
not even aware of that? So
you're not even aware of the fact that

1823
02:29:16,159 --> 02:29:28,159
Donovan What No, Bill Donovan of
the OSS famously trained Male's gorillas. You're

1824
02:29:28,159 --> 02:29:37,000
saying that's not true. Well,
I mean it's publicly admitted, That's what

1825
02:29:37,040 --> 02:29:43,040
I'm trying to say. It's it's
declassic. It's been Bill Donovan's autobiography.

1826
02:29:43,120 --> 02:29:48,959
It's declassified on the CIA website,
it's in the Yale Review. I mean,

1827
02:29:48,239 --> 02:29:56,040
so is that all it is all
fake? Right? Well, but

1828
02:29:56,159 --> 02:30:00,440
I mean I've been presenting and making
these arguments for years, so I'll I'm

1829
02:30:00,440 --> 02:30:03,719
happy to give you those horses.
We've already pulled them up and talked about

1830
02:30:03,719 --> 02:30:07,520
them today in the first few hours. So that's just one example. I

1831
02:30:07,600 --> 02:30:11,120
mean, why would David Rock,
why would David Rock feel the right essays

1832
02:30:11,159 --> 02:30:24,600
in the New York Times about why
you love Maoism and supported it well addressed

1833
02:30:24,639 --> 02:30:35,280
it. Now you said you wanted
to debate. I mean, I could

1834
02:30:35,319 --> 02:30:37,799
keep piling on to evidences of what
you're You're just saying that they don't exist

1835
02:30:37,920 --> 02:30:48,399
or what it's all fake? Oh
well, so wait a minute. You

1836
02:30:48,399 --> 02:30:50,479
don't have a knowledge of these things. And how do you know that this

1837
02:30:50,680 --> 02:31:07,360
is all wrong? You said twice
you are wrong, wrong. The evidence

1838
02:31:07,440 --> 02:31:33,840
that I'm wrong, that Maoism was
funded, it can't be possible. Well

1839
02:31:33,920 --> 02:31:37,920
before that, though, my original
question before you mentioned MAU was how do

1840
02:31:37,959 --> 02:31:50,000
you know materialism is true? And
then you start talking about mal No,

1841
02:31:50,159 --> 02:31:54,879
that's what the question was. But
I said, are you in materials like

1842
02:31:54,000 --> 02:31:56,440
has? You said yes? And
then my question was how do you know

1843
02:31:56,559 --> 02:32:07,680
materialism is a case. And you
said, let's talk about now Europe,

1844
02:32:09,520 --> 02:32:13,399
your philosophy. You and you guys
are wanting you believe in materialism. Why

1845
02:32:13,440 --> 02:32:18,200
am I supposed to believe that materialism
is true as a system as a philosophy?

1846
02:32:18,280 --> 02:32:22,920
Can you would draw me to position? Is that there's something that there's

1847
02:32:22,959 --> 02:32:28,680
definitely some evidence to be suspicious of
the kind of organic nature or lack there

1848
02:32:28,840 --> 02:32:33,920
of, of the rise of fascism
in Europe, possibly or maybe more specifically

1849
02:32:35,040 --> 02:32:37,280
than Hitler. I don't know if
you can say, yeah, well no,

1850
02:32:37,559 --> 02:32:41,280
I'm saying I'm saying that for both
for both Bolshevism and Hitler, and

1851
02:32:41,479 --> 02:32:50,399
so uh they couldn't have risen without
Western the boort. Okay, I've heard

1852
02:32:50,479 --> 02:32:56,959
that before. Well, I never
I've seen contradicting evidence, especially as it

1853
02:32:56,040 --> 02:33:01,440
comes to like the rise of the
NSDAP, specifically who they were actually backed

1854
02:33:01,479 --> 02:33:05,479
by, like how they would get
donations for example, so like how they

1855
02:33:05,520 --> 02:33:13,000
were actually got money, donations and
funding, because I never understood what the

1856
02:33:13,360 --> 02:33:20,079
exact line of evidence was for that. Because right, so my chief source

1857
02:33:20,360 --> 02:33:24,879
for can you mute when I'm talking
to it's going really bad? Yeah?

1858
02:33:26,079 --> 02:33:31,719
Yeah, So tonight we presented a
lot of argumentation from Sutton and from Quigley.

1859
02:33:33,399 --> 02:33:37,399
I think Quickly is a stronger argument
than Sutton. Sutton, I think

1860
02:33:37,719 --> 02:33:41,719
was a mainline academic that stumbled across
a lot of this research, and he

1861
02:33:41,840 --> 02:33:46,200
makes a really strong case for the
most part throughout his books. But I

1862
02:33:46,319 --> 02:33:50,760
think Quickly is a stronger case simply
because Quickly as the CFR or sort of

1863
02:33:50,840 --> 02:33:52,840
historian, archivist, and so I've
read multiple times to