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guest is Joe. Joe, Welcome to the show. Thank you, Vick.
It's a pleasure to be here tonight. Well, it's great having you,
not for the reasons that we're going to talk about, but it's still
great to have you, so thank you for your time. I appreciate your
time and how you've helped. Oh, you're welcome. Joe. Please give
us a brief file on yourself. I am a sixty five year old retired
registered nurse. I was a nurse for forty years. I absolutely think I
was born to be a nurse. As a little child growing up, I
always had a little injured animal of some type that I was nursing back to
health. It was second nature to me, and I loved being a nurse,
not only for the challenge of it, but you were meeting people who
were at their worst point in life, whether it was an accident not expected,
or a major surgery coming or a death in the family, and you
could be there and be their strength and somebody that they could lean on,
and it just it was an honor for me to be able to be there
for people like that. I really enjoyed my calling. It was sad when
I had to give it up. Well, I'm sure it was sad.
Yeah, if you ask me, I think you're right. I think you
were born to do that sort of thing. You're so loving and caring and
such. He's a good person. I'm not surprised to hear you say that.
Thank you. You're welcome. Joe. From what I understand, you
think your mom might have had a dog man encounter of her own. Why
do you think that. Well, we were talking one time about scary movies
and I think I was around maybe twelve or thirteen, and she said,
well, you know, we didn't have those when I was a kid growing
up, but I had something happened to me one time that I think when
made anybody scared. And I said, what was that? And my mother
was a tomboy. She grew up in the hills of Arkansas. She was
a true hillbilly. There was like thirteen in the family, and she could
outrun most of her brothers and she loved basketball. I mean, she was
a sports girl. And they had an outhouse that they had to use,
and it was set back away from their house, and so she went out
one night about one o'clock in the morning. Had her little kerosene landage,
and she went there and they had a sade that they kept in it,
not only to kind of help hold the door closed, but sometimes snakes would
be in there, and so it was nothing to her just to take that
and just hit it and cut its head off. I mean, she was
all bomboy. And she went out there one night. It was a full
moon, so she was staying pretty good. She took the lantern that had
hardly any kerosene in it because she could see the trail, and she got
out there and was doing her business, and something jumped and landed on the
top of this outhouse, and it startled her because she couldn't imagine what could
get up there so easy. And it was walking around on the top of
it, and you know, she could tell it was big and heavy,
and it was sounding like it was on two feet and she was thinking,
now that can't be I mean, we're up here. It could be a
mountain lion, you know, but I would think I would be hearing four.
And it walked back and forth on the top of that and she could
hear it kind of like huffing a little bit, and it jumped down and
she could hear coming around the outhouse on the outside, and she was getting
kind of spooked. Most of the time, animals don't act like that up
there. And it got over by the door and it kind of scratched on
a little bit. She was holding that door shut, and so she was
pretty concerned. She thought, well, I'm not going to leave until this
thing gets tired and starts leaving itself. And it kind of got quiet.
She thought, well, maybe this is the time, and then it landed
back up on top of it again. So she thought this thing was trying
to outwait me. So she thought, I can play that game. I'll
just stay in here till morning if I have to. So she was sitting
there pretty quiet, and it's kind of getting quiet, and then her lander
ran out of the kerosene. So now she's in the dark, and she's
got this spade and she's thinking, you know, this is going to be
my weapon. So she hadn't heard anything for a while, and so she
opened up the door slowly. It had a bolt that you would just slide
down, so she lifted that up and she pushed the door out and grabbed
a spade, and as she does, she hears a sound and it's been
up on top this whole time, and it leans down to kind of get
a look at her. And it shocked her because it looked like a wolf,
you know, not a mountain lion. And she took that and she
said, she hit it as hard as she could, like a plugger hitting
a baseball for a home run, with that spade right in the nose,
and it led out a roar and kind of went backwards, and she started
running like a deer. And she got to the house and she could hear
it coming, and as she turned around to look, this thing went from
being on four feet up on two feet and had its arms out like it
was going to grab her. So she jumped in and slammed the door into
it, running up the steps to her room. Now she had five sisters
and they all had their own little bed, and they had two little drawers
under each bed, one for their shoes and saws and the other for their
clothes. So she jumped into her bed nobody was awake, and pulled her
covers up oward and she's shaking. She doesn't know what in the world she'd
have fought and dan she hears the door open downstairs, and she realizes that
in her fear and hurry, she didn't stop to drop the bolt down to
lock that door. Now this thing is in the house and she can hear
it coming up the stairs, and she's thinking it's following my scent, and
she's really scared, and she's got the covers up real tight. She thinks
she can hear it an off horse. And then it gets to her room
and now she only feels like there's only two steps, so she's thinking it's
doing that thing again, and it literally crawls up from the foot of her
bed onto her bed and comes up until it's actually got its nose against her
face and it's breathing in and it's almost like the message being given, I
could kill you right now. I could have killed you out there, you
know, don't ever hit me again. She def like feels that's the thought
being given to her. And it stayed on her for a while, and
then it slowly backed off and she heard it go down and go, and
then she heard the front door open and close, and she was so terrified
that she didn't tell anybody what happened, especially when her dad woke up the
next day in her real life that whoever was out there didn't close it,
and the dogs had got in and ate a lot of their food. So
she definitely wasn't going to own up to it then. But you know,
she always said, sometimes I wonder if I was just dreaming, And she
said, but you know, that was so scary, and I don't understand
it. Never saw anything like that again, but I certainly didn't try to
go to the bathroom and night anymore either. And so after I started learning
about dog man, I thought, you know, that's what that was.
It sounds like it. Going from four feet to two feet had to be.
I wish she was still alive so I could tell her that was a
dog man. Mom, It wasn't a dream, It was a dog man.
It sure was. Holy cow, what she must have gone through.
That is horrible. That is awful. You had your first dog man encounter
one night when you were seventeen, Jill, and it frightened you so much
you jumped into bed with your parents. Had you heard about cryptids before you
had that experience, And if you had, what were your thoughts on them?
I had not. I had not. We didn't even have a TV
when I was young. I mean, it was all work. We worked
for everything we had. We had a little farm and it was not doing
well and we were trying so hard. I had two older brothers and they
were eleven and thirteen when I was born, and they weren't expecting any more
kids. They were kind of disappointed actually that they had another child because it's
going to be more expense. And then when my dad realized that I was
a girl, he was very upset. He said, wish it had been
a boy, because you know, they could work harder and help more.
And here he is, you know, he's got a daughter. What's he
going to do with a daughter. So it always made me feel, you
know, kind of bad about that. So I quit going by Joyce when
I was ten, and I started going by Joe because it didn't sound so
girly. And I tried my best to keep up with my brothers on everything,
every kind of chore, and one thing that my older brother always did,
he tried to scare me and if I kind of yelled out a little
for something. He would tease me and say, you sound like a girl.
So it was kind of an ongoing thing with him that you can't show
fear and you definitely don't scream out. So ironically, when I went and
jumped in the middle of my mom and dad and bet afraid, that was
a big deal because I had never tried to show fear before. So that
lets you know how much it rocked my world of my own rule of showing
no fear. Well, you did, but it's totally understandable when you consider
what happened to you that first encounter. That was awfully intense, not as
intense as the later ones, but it definitely get your motor running. How
long did it take after you had that first encounter, though, Joe,
before you found out that they're actually called dog men? Oh, it was
decades. I only found out, I'm going to say, four years ago.
I had no idea what to call it. I always thought it was
maybe some kind of a werewoof, But then where was your supposed to be
in the movies only or a demon from help? I wasn't sure what it
was. And then I actually stumbled onto some information about a dog man.
I had a friend that was listening to some podcasts and got me started kind
of listening, and I was going, hey, wait a second, this
sounds kind of familiar. And then I got lucky and found yours, and
that's when I really started learning, because you know so much about it.
It's amazing. And now this thing had a name, and it made it
more reasonable for me to know how to deal with it, because before you
know, how do you wrap your mind around something that you can't even describe
what it is or how it exists or why it exists. You can't.
And I think that's why it traumatized me as much as it did for as
long as it did. Well, that's totally understandable. Yeah, like you
said, when you can hang a name on something that you're afraid of,
that does help. It's not going to work wonders necessarily, but it does
help at least to a certain degree. So I can understand why you say
that. All right, Joe, I know it's not going to be easy
to talk about these experiences due to how traumatic they were, But in your
own good time, when you're ready, give us every last detail that comes
to mind. We'll do well. As I told you, I grew up
trying to be as tough as I could and not show fear, just so
that I had as much merit in my father's eyes as my two brothers.
And I really convinced myself that I didn't get scared. And I decided at
seventeen that I wanted to become a nurse. And like I said, I
had always taken care of little animals and I just knew that's what I wanted
to be. So I went and applied and they said, well, normally
we don't take women in at seventeen, but you seem to be a very
mature seventeen and you will be eighteen before you graduate, so we're willing to
give you a try on this. And I said, I will not let
you down, and so I started my training. Well, it was harder
on me than I thought, because you can't be a kid. You know,
when you're going in to seeing the things that you're doing and learning how
to do these things like on code teams and stuff, it's time to be
all adult. And so I had a couple of friends that I still had
left over home school I had quit and got my ged so I could work
on the farm because we were getting close to going under. And I had
a male friend that I was seeing on and off a little bit, and
so we would get together and go out and eat and just ride around and
laugh and I could kind of be a kid. And then I would come
in in the evenings, probably about ten thirty eleven at night, go in,
lay down, get some sleep, and I would get up at three
o'clock in the morning and start studying for a test I had that day,
so it was fresh in my mind, and I would go in and take
the test, and I was doing the four point oh average, so I
felt like that was working for me pretty good. Well. I came in
one night and the house that we had was way back in the middle of
nothing, just woods and things all around you, very little acreage around it,
and there was a little stream that came off the Nioshia River and it
would flood easy. So this house was set up on cinderblocks before the foundation
because it had flooded into it before. And it was a very very old
house. So I would come in at night. Of course, you're out
in the country. There's no street lives or anything to help you. It's
pitch black, and my mother had a yellow bulb out on the front porch
that's sposed don't let bugs come in, and that was the only thing I
had to try to get into the house safely. Well. I was going
up that one night and there was something that made this unbelievable sound in the
rush and the trees, about thirty feet from the front door, and I
stopped and I looked over, and I thought, what in the world could
be making it sound that big? And it sounded like it was only on
two feet, and so I literally walked over to the edge of that porch
and I leaned out that direction, trying to see what the use of that
little yellow bulb, what was making that kind of sound, And it got
quiet. Whatever it was quit moving, and then I realized, Wow,
everything's quiet. There's nothing making any sound. And that was before I learned
on programs like yours that that means there's probably something out there that you don't
want to be upside with. So I wasn't afraid at all, and in
my little seventeen year old brain, I decided that this was a buck or
something that had been trying to get through there and had kind of jumped up
and maybe got his horns hooked into some branches of this tree, because it
was quite a ways up on this tree that the branches were moving, and
he was jerking and trying to get you know, unhooked, and it was
up on his back feet. And that's how I could justify the sound of
two feet and it being high in the tree. So I literally clapped my
hands and yelled get out of here, just as loud and as gruff as
I could, trying to make it jump and maybe help it get loose.
And you know, there was a little bit of a oh, and I
thought, wow, that didn't sound like anything like you would think a deer
would do. But I also told myself, well, at night, it
all seemed bigger than better than they are, because you can't see them,
you only had sound, so it didn't scare me. I literally walked on
in the house, went to bed, and forgot about it. Two nights
later, we were having a storm moving in and I always loved to lay
in bed and watch the storms. I watched the lightning. The house that
we were in, it had real tall, narrow windows, and that's because
it was built so far back that you know where they had just kerosene lanyards
to help them that they had the windows tall, so no matter what time
of day, you could catch the sun and help light that room up better.
And I was in a bedroom that was the back wall of the house,
and I had two windows with about a two and a half foot space
in between them of walls, and one lit up area that was my bed,
and the other one was strategically put to where it would light up the
hallway, you know, so you didn't have a dark hall you were going
down in the early evenings. So I woke up and heard the thunder and
some of the branches on the metal roof, and I was going to enjoy
it. I didn't have school the next day, and I could enjoy,
you know, the lightning. And as I kind of turned around and get
my pillows situated, and it lightened, and I noticed in the left window
that there was something blocking it. And I couldn't understand, you know,
what could be blocking the lightning coming, And so I actually set up it,
kind of scooted over and putting my feet over on the floor, and
I'm looking at this window kind of startled, and it lightens again, and
sure Only about the top twenty five percent or thirty percent of that window was
lighting up with the lightning. The rest of it was black. There was
something blocking it. Now, remember this house is up on cinderblocks, so
what could be blocking at that tall It would have to be eight nine foot
off the ground, and I can't comprehend what could do that. So of
course the first thing I thought was, it's my brother. He's out there.
He's got something up, trying to make it look big in the window,
and he's going to try to scare me. I think I'm going to
go over and grab a hold of this curtain and jerk it back and tell
him I'm not scared. I know it's you. The curtains that I had,
they were white panels, and they were fan you're almost sheer because I
didn't have to worry about anybody looking in my windows. We were in the
middle of nowhere, so I could see that it was something black that I
knew he couldn't see me because of the lightning. So I should be able
to be the one to go up and jerk it back and scare him.
Well, I get up and I start to kind of walk that way a
little bit and it lightens again, and I'm thinking, no, there's that
way he could have something and beholding it and doing that well with it.
And then in my again, my little seventeen year old brain, I'm thinking,
well, there's a shed back there. Maybe my dad has seemed something
up against it. And when it's fightening, because it's not directly on top
of this yet, it's blocking it and it's just reflecting into my window,
and maybe that's what it is. So I got up and I went on
down to the hallway, went to the bathroom, got a drink of water,
and as I'm coming back into the room, it lightens again, and
I've literally stopped mid stride because I'm in shock. This big black shadow is
now over in the right window, the one that wins up with the hallway,
and I'm wondering, how in the world, you know, that shadow
from the shed could be looking like it's walking that one now, And I
kind of eased up a little bit, and I'm trying to understand this.
So I decide I'm going to go over by my bed and go up and
see if I can look around and see, you know, what is causing
this shadow. And as I go across to get even with the other window.
It slides back over with me. Now I'm starting to get a little
concerned about this because that was such a smooth glide. I know that's not
my brother. He's not that coordinated. And I'm starting to get scared.
The person who does not allow themselves to get scared is getting scared. So
I stepped up a little bit closer because now I'm wanting to see what it
is, you know, what is going on. And I get about a
foot and a half from that window, and I'm thinking I can go ahead
and reach out and pull it back and look, you know, I'm inside.
I'm safe, even though my body obviously is not believing what my brain
is saying, because my knees are starting to shake. And I'm thinking it's
probably a good thing that I just went to the bathroom, because the way
my body is getting scared, I might not have held that too well.
And it lightens again, now this time with one little glide it because I'm
only about a foot away. Now it comes down. It's like hunkers down
and it's even with me. Heythewise, Now that's got me scared, because
that tells me this thing can see me. Even though it's dark in here,
it obviously is getting a really good look at me. It's keeping even
with me. And now it's the same height as me, and I'm not
moving. I don't think I can move. I feel like I'm just nailed
to that spot, and I'm just focused as the lightnings coming in, trying
to see what in the world am I dealing with? What is this?
And I hear it against the window, just a little gun of a hit
to it, and then I think I hear that it's taking a deep breath,
and I'm thinking, my god, this thing is trying to get my
scent. And now I'm wondering, is this what was out in the trees?
Could this be what was making this sound? Is this what I yelled
at it, clapped my hand and said, real mean, get out of
here? Did I make it mad? You know? I'm not feeling like
such a big, brave person anymore. And the lightning's coming in, the
storm's getting closer, and as I'm standing there trying to see with this next
splash of lightning, this thing is still cowered down, but it reaches up
with its right arm and it's reaching up to the top of the window,
and I am in shock. There is not a paw. There is a
hand, and it's a huge hand. It looks about like the size of
the hand that you would think would be on like a silver back gorilla.
It's huge. There's five digits and each digit has this black claw that has
to be two and a half inches easy with just a flight curve into it.
It's not straight out like mine now would be. It's got a slight
curve in And I remember thinking, Wow, if that got a hold of
you with that curve, you're not getting out of that grip until it's ready
for you to be out of that grip. And my knees really started shaking
hard. And then I think I hear it like clawing into the wood of
that window outside, and I'm getting really scared. I'm thinking this thing's trying
to figure out how to get this window off, and then all it's God
is just this glass and what if it comes right on through it and gets
me? And I'm wanting to run, but my body is not following my
command to run. I'm just there, so I don't know what to do,
you know, I can't think. And now the lightning's right on us,
and it comes down and it hits a tree tree in the backyard,
and when it does, it takes down a branch. Other's fireballs dancing everywhere.
And right after it did that, have you ever seen lightning that goes
like do too too too? Two? They're just so fast together that it's
almost like daylight because it keeps it lit up well. As that was occurring,
this thing turns to look up at the tree branch that's coming down.
I guess it's wondering where it's going to land. And that's when I got
my look at the side profile of this and that's when my world changed,
as I knew it was never going to be the same again. This thing
had a wide head. It looked like a wolf, but it was huge
head on this thing, it had ears like a German shepherd or like a
Doberman, had been cut on the top points on it, probably four to
five inches phone tufts of hair in the ends of the ears. This nose
on this thing, this muzzle was so much longer than anything I'd ever seen
on the dog or pictures of wolfs, and it was gigantic. And the
teeth, oh my gosh, the teeth they had to be two to half
in it, maybe three inches long, and the canines were even longer than
that. And they really showed up. I mean, they were a brilliant
white. You knew you were looking at that. The fur looked like it
was all black. I couldn't see any lighter areas, whereas again it was
flashes of light. But you know, I could tell with the side profile
and the arm they'd been reaching up. It was big, it was strong,
it was muscle bound. And I took off and I went running,
and I went and jumped onto the couch and I covered my head up as
tight as I could, and I was shaking. I couldn't believe what I
had just saw. And I didn't know if I should tell anybody, because
again I didn't want them to make it fun of me. I didn't want
them to know I was afraid. But I suddenly changed my plans. I
told him it was getting towards the end of my first year, my LPN
year, and I wasn't going to go out anymore at night. I was
going to stay home and study. And the truth was, I wasn't going
to be outside in the nighttime with that thing. I had no idea what
I had seen. The next day, before I went to school, I
went walking back there, trying to convince myself that this hadn't happened. The
old tree branch was down on the ground. As I looked up at that
window, I could see deep gouges in that window, and it looked fresh.
And as I looked down on the ground, I could see the black
paint that was the color of that wood trim. There was crumbles of it
down on the ground, and I thought, no, that wasn't a dream.
This happened. So I got scared to be in my room. I
felt like I had angered this thing. So what I would do if I
would come in and I would lay down because it was daylight, and take
like a three hour nap. I would get my clothes for the next day,
hang him on the door knob of the room, and that I would
go into the living room and be on the couch and I would sleep there
till my alarm went off at three, and I would get up and study
on the couch at the lamp well. Unfortunately, the couch and the lamp
was right across the hall from my mom and dad's room, and my dad
told me you're interrupting my sleep. You're going to have to go back to
your room. And I said, oh, I don't want to do that.
He was why, and I said, I don't know. I just
I just need a break. And he said, well, you can't study
there with it, and I said, I know, I'll go to the
kitchen. Now. To me, that seemed like a really safe option,
but in reality, the back wall of the house that was my wall to
my room it formed like the letter L with the kitchen. So actually moving
from my window to the kitchen window only took about six feet on the outside,
but because you had to go down a hallway and through the living room
and then into the kitchen, it seemed like it was a lot further.
To me, this kitchen was shaped like a shoe box. You went in
on one short edge. The long sides they had windows that ran all the
way down again, so you have plenty of light. And the windows were
at the top. Now it was a typical kitchen window size, and my
mom had solid white panels. On the bottom pane there was a gap,
and then at the top she had a ruffle, and so you would have
to be again eight and a half nine foot to look into that house because
it set up on cinderblocks to see anybody, so we didn't even have blinds
or shades or anything for that. It was open like that all the time
and it felt very safe. And then there was an outside door on the
other short end. So I'm studying and I would look at that white curtain
and I would picture it as a page and me writing down the answers to
a question I was asking myself and was really enjoying. It. Had a
little lamp on there I was studying with because the kitchen had a big fluorescent
light. There were three of them that went down the kitchen, and you
didn't want to turn that on and be way too bright at night. So
the lamp worked just fine, and I was studying. It was about three
o'clock in the morning, and all of a sudden, I had a brand
new sensation I'd never had, and that was that the hair stood up on
the back of my neck, and I had never had that sensation before.
And I stopped and I'm thinking, what is this? And then all of
a sudden, somehow, and don't ask me how I knew, but I
knew there was something out the window behind me, and I felt like it
was looking at me, which again would seem impossible, but it was like
I could feel it. And then all of a sudden, I heard this
growl, and it was the most deep, knine sounding, guttural growl that
you could ever imagine. It was like, Oh my god, how could
anything sound that big and that deep? I mean, it was unbelievable.
I couldn't move. I remember feeling like I was frozen to the spot.
I couldn't even put the pencil down that was in my hand. I was
beyond terrified. And this thing growled again, and it got louder, and
I didn't believe it could. And then all of a sudden, and the
only way I knew how fast it traveled was because it continued to growl.
But it felt like it just went around, cleared down that wall across the
back park they had the outside door, and clear up the next wall till
it was at the window in front of me. And now I have the
realization that it's looking me in the face, and I'm looking down. I'm
afraid to look up. And it was like and I don't understand still what
happened or how it happened, but I had a thought come to my mind,
and it said, if you look at in the eyes, it will
come into you. I didn't know if it meant possess me or come in
through the window and kill me because I made eye contact with it. You
know, some animals and canines, if you look at the eye, it's
a challenge and they're coming. So I wasn't sure, but I was going
to take that information to heart. I wasn't going to look at the eyes.
And then all of a sudden, it was like my head was following
orders from somebody else. It started going up and I'm going no, no,
no, no, no, no no, and it's no raising up
and I'm thinking, don't you dare look at this thing in the face,
don't you dare. And as I'm getting to just the edge of the top
of that pan where I know the very next thing I'm going to see,
and I'm trying to close my eyes and they're just rolling back up. I
mean, it's like open is what am I doing? I see this yellowish
green kind of neon glow, two of them, and I'm thinking, oh
no, that's crazy, because something can't be up that high with a little
lamp and have eyes shine off of that, and it was like suddenly my
body broke loose and I could move. I jumped up so hard and so
fast that the chair I was sitting in skidded across the kitchen floor and it
slammed into the refrigerator behind me hard. And I think the sound of that
slamming was just like telling me go. And I ran out of there through
the living room and I went running into my mom and dad's bed, and
I landed in that bed right between them. I was tear off side and
I didn't care who knew it, and I gave them a heart attack,
you know, I mean, what is their daughter doing landing in there.
My mom turned on the lamp and she's looking at me so startled, and
she said, what is going on? And all I can get out is
outside, outside, monster, Outside, outside monster. And she starts to
tease me, and she says, do you want me to go outside and
make that big, bad monster go away? And I started crying hysterically,
No, no, no, and I've got a hold of her arm and
she's realizing I'm being very serious with her. I'm not finding that funny,
and she's kind of give me a funny. Look, well, my dad
sets up and he turns on his lamp and he goes, Joe, Joe,
Joe, and I look up over and he goes, what are you
doing? And I'm shaking so hard. He said to my mom, is
she having a seizure. She's moving this whole bed, and my mom goes,
no, that's not a seizure. But she's she's shaking all right,
I mean she's moving everything. And he said, you need to get a
hold of yourself, you know, are you afraid? And he knew that
that would make me go, I'm not afraid of anything, like I always
responded, and that's what he was hoping for, kind of bring me back
around. But instead I shook my head yes, and I was shaking,
and that's that just shockhand because I was admitting to it. And that's when
he reach out to put his hand on my arm and he said, you're
okay, You're okay. You fell asleep while you were studying and you had
a nightmare because you're under stress of the studies. And I so wanted him
to be righted that to be the case that I actually shook my head yes,
and I believed him because that sounded better than me thinking this thing's back
and it found me in the other room. So I accepted that and I
went out and I got on the couch and I covered my head up,
but I couldn't go to sleep the rest of the night. Now I started
hesitating about going and studying. So I tried sitting on the floor in front
of the couch with the lamp under a blanket so he couldn't see it and
study and he just said, that's ridiculous. It was a nightmare. Go
back in, you'll see. So I went back in, and you know,
nothing happened the first two nights, and I thought, well, he
was right, and I kind of got back more relaxed, and I'm studying
again and I have a big test coming up. We're getting close to being
done with that year. And all of a sudden, I feel the hair
stand up on the back of my neck and I remember going no, no,
no, no, no, no, like please don't be here.
And I'm waiting for the growl at the back of my neck at that window,
and it shocked me because it was in front of me. It started
at that window this time, and I was like, oh no, I
didn't have time to get ready for this, and I was yelling, you
know, go away, go away, please. I'm sorry that I yelled
at you, go away, go away, go away. And my head
starts going up and I'm thinking, no, no, no, don't don't.
As I got up to that, I see the whole head move and
now I realized how big, how wide this head is. It's taken up
almost that entire blast of that one window pane, and it has me in
shock. And as I'm thinking, is that my head's coming on up?
And for a brief second I started to get a look at it and yep,
this is what was out there. It looks like a werewolf. I
guess. I don't know. And I took off running again and landed back
on the couch, covering up. Well. I thought, you know,
I'm going to flunk out because I can't get up of study anymore. I'm
terrified. I don't know what to do. And I called the guy that
I had been seeing every once in a while, and I said, can
I come to your house tonight and study? I have one more day a
finals. I can't do it here, and I'll tell you why when I
see you. And he goes yeah, I've been wondering what's going on?
Are you breaking up with me? And I said no, I will explain
when I see you. So we went out to eat and I very nervously
informed him that I was being stalked by a werewolf. And he started to
laugh a little bit, but he saw how serious I was being, and
when I saw him to start to laugh, I felt so betrayed. I
just knew he would be the person who believed me, and I started to
tear up. And when he saw that tear go down my cheek, he
felt really bad because, you know, like I said before, I was
a pretty tough person, and he actually liked that about me. I wasn't
a girly girl that had to have the flowers or the candy anything like that.
And I could keep up with him all a lot of stuff, and
so he wasn't used to seeing this, so he said, you know what,
I'm sorry. Let's go get your stuff, get your books, get
your clothes. You could spend the night. I'll stay up with you and
i'll guard you to protect you while you study. And you know, my
dog, King, there's nothing going to come into that yard. King will
run it off and I had to laugh because that's true. He had a
pitbull and it was huge, and I had been in him for six to
eight months and he's still had just slowly introduced me to that dog every time.
And then once I was in the house and everything was fine, he
was okay with me. But I thought, I just can't believe this,
but he was so protective of his minister. You had to pass an inspection
every single time. So we get in and we're studying in the living room
floor. I have my books spread out around me and he's leaning up against
the couch and he's playing one of his video games with the sound off,
and he said, I'm getting kind of thirsty, are you? And I
said, yeah, I could use some orange juice, and he goes,
okay, I'll go get it some. And I could see into his kitchen
from the living room, and I was thinking it was taking him quite a
while. And he's just leaned over looking in there, and I'm starting to
Alma laugh because I'm biggines has taken him forever to decide what he wants to
drink, you know, silly guy. And I'm feeling really good because it's
like three forty in the morning and nothing's happening, and I hear him,
go come here now, and he said it so strange, and it was
higher, and so I start walking in there and I said, are you
being traumatized because you can't decide between something and juice? And I'm laughing.
As I lean down to look in to see what he's looking at. I
realize all the liquids and the refrigerator are shaking back and forth, and I
realize they're shaking because he is. And then I hear his dog, and
his dog that from the big heavy chain was whimpering like a little scared puppy.
And I said to him, is that your dog? He said,
it can't be my dog would make a sound like that. It's got to
be some dog that he's gotten in the yard and he's showing it whose boss.
And I said, well, I hope it doesn't kill it, and
he said no, I think if it runs off, he'll be okay.
But that's not king. And about that time, lo and behold the hair
goes up on the back of my neck and I'm thinking, no, no,
no, no, how could this be Because I'm five miles away from
the house out in the country. He lives in town, on the other
side of town. As a matter of fact, how could it tail me
and find me through all of those different scents. This is impossible, it
can't be. But sure enough, there came to growl and I saw him
just tint up. He couldn't believe it, and he looks over at me.
His eyes are wide, his mouth is wide open. And I looked
at him and I said, oh my god, it followed me. It
followed me. Oh my god, it's hunting me. And I think it
was the way I said hunting me, because I'm realizing it at the same
time he is. He reach over and grabbed me by my wrist. Now,
back then I weighed one hundred and ten pounds, soaking wet, and
he was six foot two and probably weighed two hundred and ten pounds. So
when he grabbed me and took off, I was going where he was going,
like it or not. And he started to drag me out of the
kitchen, and the way he was doing it put us right in front of
that kitchen window. And as his eyes met the eyes of this monster,
he came to a dead stop, and I ran into him, and I'm
looking at him and I'm in shocked, and I realized that his eyes are
glowing a yellowish green. And if I'm looking back, I realize, so
it's this monster. And I'm thinking, wow, this monster is eye locked
with him and he's not moving. And if I'm looking at this thing,
I'm getting a better look at it. I'm realizing just how big those eyes
are. They're like silver dollars and they're a long ways apart. This head
is huge. They've got to be at least think they're seven inches apart,
probably more. And the hair around the neck almost looked like a lion's made
the way it was sticking out, and so thick and just jet blacks all
I could see. Now. The hair on the face wasn't as long,
and you could see the black skin underneath it. The muzzle was long,
it was big. The holes of the nose they were far apart, they
were big. And it had its mouth open as it was growling. And
those teeth, wow, they were huge and they were so white. And
the one thing that I have had a lot of nightmares about was because of
what it did next. It was drooling, and I don't know if it
was drooling because its mouth was open and it was growling or it was drilling
because it was thinking how good we were going to taste when it ripped us
apart. But it took this long, black tongue. It reminds me of
a tongue of a giraffe, you know, they're like or a child.
They're dark, like between a black and a purple. And it took this
tongue and it licked up the drool and put it back into its mouth,
and just that movement just me the chill. It's making me have the chills
right now. I'm just seeing it in my seeing it in my mind's eye.
Oh God. And it was looking at him and it happened to look
down and it saw where he had a hold of my arm, and it
kind of made this this snarl. You know, the dog will kind of
wrinkle its top lip up when it's going to snarl at you and kind of
does this chewing emotion like and it making it sound. That's what this thing
started doing. And it was like I knew it was letting him know,
I'm going to kill you, and he read that somehow. It's like we
both knew that thought at the same time, Like it somehow delivered that thought
to us, and he took off with me and he's dragging me through the
living room. There was a sitting room, his bedroom, and then the
bathroom. The bathroom there were no windows in it. That was smart,
very smart on his part. Unfortunately, the bathroom is at the back wall
of the house, just like the kitchen and kind of like with my house.
To be able to go from the kitchen window where he had was looking
in to where we would be standing in the bathroom with maybe eight feet on
the outside wall, so it'd taken us quite a while to get around to
it. In the house, it wasn't doing that. It just moved over.
We're sitting there and he's looking at me and he is shaking so hard.
He got me so tight against him that I almost can't breathe. And
I'm telling you, you know, let go a little bit, Let go
a little bit. I can't. I can't take a deep breath. And
he looks at me and he says, I'm so sorry. He said,
I promised you that I would keep you safe because I didn't think it was
real. I thought you were just seeing things because you were so tired.
But this thing is real, and I said, it is, and I
think it's hunting me. How could it find me? And he goes,
I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, and he's just
standing there looking at him. It's kind of shaking his head and he's shaking
and so am I. And then I feel those hairs go up again on
the back of my neck, and I'm thinking, this can't be happening again.
It's almost like my body had got used to sensing when this thing was
approaching, and what a thing to have your body get used to. But
all of a sudden, it made this roar, and I mean it was
deep. I thought i'd heard it deep before. Oh no, this was
ten times louder and deeper and more vicious. Oh my god. And when
it did it right there, it's like it wind up with It's like somehow
it knew where we were, and you could fill it in your chest.
It felt like it was messing my heart beat up. My heart didn't know
what to do, and I couldn't believe that. And he could even fell
it his chest because he wrenched down and grabbed at his chest for a second,
and I knew he was filling it too, and it started growling more
and more and getting more angry. And I remember looking up and we were
standing by the kitchen at the bathroom stack, and there was a bathtub that
had a shower into it too, and there was shelving on the wall that
you would reach up while you're standing in front of the seat and get his
like his coloone or his deodorant, and these things on his glass shelves that
were attached to the wall. They were shaking just like our chests was,
but they were moving forward with a vibration, and they were literally moving forward
and falling off the shelf and falling into the bathtub just from the sound,
not being hit knocked in there, vibrating from this sound. How could anything
do that, but it was happening. And I remember watching his clone bottle
fall and break, and that bathroom filling up so thick of his cologne that
it was almost hard to breathe. And he starts yelling, you know,
go away, go away, get out of here. And King is crying,
Oh he is so scared, and he went, oh, no,
King, King, King, and he's like shouting his dog's knee, like,
oh, he's out there with it. And I think King misunderstood.
I think King meant Daddy's want me to attack it because he's in trouble.
And God blessed that dog. That dog come running with a growl, and
we heard this thing turned and roar back, and King jumped and we heard
this thing kind of you know oo, it got hurt. King had bit
it, and the fight was on, and all of a sudden, he
went from growling and trying to be in charge to screening out in pain.
Oh, it was awful to hear how this dog was howling and being in
so much pain. And he's looking at me and he's starting to fill up
his eyes with tears, and he says, oh my god, it's killing
my best friend. It's killing my buddy. And I felt so bad,
thick, because if I hadn't have told him, if I hadn't have come
over that night, that thing would not have followed me, that it would
not have attacked his dog. Then it wouldn't have killed his dog. I
wouldn't have cost him his best friend. I wouldn't have casted this dog.
And it was sounding so awful, and he started praying, and I'm trying
to pray with him too, but I don't know how to pray. I
don't know to pray that it's over with quick or somehow, you old king
does he impossible and he kills it. I don't know what to pray.
Hey, hey, hey, it's okay, it's okay. I'll tell you
what, Joe. Let's take a break. We'll be right back, all
right, Joe, whenever you're ready, please continue. Okay. It's unbelievable
sitting there listening to this dog and you want to have it over for the
dog, but that means death. Yeah, you feel guilty trying to wish
death upon this dog that jumped it, trying to protect you, and he's
just looking at me, still going it's killing my best friend. And I'm
feeling that wave of guilty. Kid, How could I have done this to
somebody that I care about so much? How could I have done this doing?
And so we start praying, and God answered our prayer, and that
his neighbor heard all of this going on and the streams. He thought it
was me screaming, not the dog, and he called the police department and
said, get somebody here to this address. Somebody's being murdered. Get here
now. And we start hearing police sirens coming from three different directions, and
I don't think they're stopping where we are, but I'm hoping that it scares
it off, because what had happened after it went silent with King, It
started tearing into the back of the house. It was coming for us.
You could literally hear wood breaking, and you knew. And we were so
terrified that we couldn't even we couldn't even run. We couldn't even move to
get going and out of that room. We were just frozen, like we
were an easy target. And it's coming on and you know, it's getting
louder, out louder, and you can hear boards breaking, and you're thinking,
oh my god, if we try to go out, is it gonna
come around the side and it kill us. We can't make a run for
it. This is the only room that doesn't have windows. We have to
stay here. And it's getting louder and it's rowing. It's like it knows
it's getting ready to get us. And so he goes, what are we
going to do? I said, I don't know, I don't know,
I don't know. And then again and that's when we heard the sirens coming
and they kind of slighting up and if something gets quiet, so you know,
he goes, I think it's gone, and I said, well,
I'm afraid to try to see, and he goes, well, I am
too, and so he goes and says, you know, we're going to
stay right here. And then we hear bag bag bag bag bay o the
door and it's the police and they're saying, open this door or we're going
to kick it in. We have a report to somebody is screaming and we
have got to get in to make sure that everybody is okay. And so
he goes, we're going to have to do there. He's going to keep
the door in and I said, can't we wait just a minute because I
think that thing's going to jump them, And he goes, we can't.
We've got to go. And so he goes in there and he opens up
the door and he says, come in quick, comeing, get in here,
get in here quick, and they're kind of looking at him funny,
and so they want to know what's going on, and as we're both trying
to tell them, they're looking at us like we've lost our mind. And
he one of them even said, did you party a little too hard tonight?
With something that he goes, no, look at her books. She's
a nursing student. You know, she's not trying to sit here and party.
She's trying to pass your courses. But this is what's been happening.
And so we're telling you the truth. And about that time, one of
the officers that had gone into the backyard came around and he said, guys,
you need to see this, And so we started walking out and we're
with them and we go around to the back of the house and I watched
him fall to his knees, just like something dropped him. And I'm looking
at him kind of confused, and I follow his eyes and that I realized
what he's seeing. He is seen what's left at King. King had his
right front leg ripped off, he had his back left leg ripped off.
He had a hole in the torso, and his head was off, and
it was several feet back in the yard like it had tore it off and
thrown it. And the house was white, and it was like it looked
like it was spray painted with red blood, and that he had maybe picked
this dog up with a chain and had spun it around or something trying to
make that effect. Love that like it was wanting to do whatever it could
to torture him. They're looking at each other and he goes, how do
you even write this report? He goes, I don't know. I don't
know how you write this report. He goes, I don't either. We
go over it and we get looking at this hole. This thing started tearing
into the walls and it was like three foot by three foot, and if
we're looking even the boards that you put into, you know, construction,
then you put that sheet rock on it to make the walls. Even some
of that was splintered. And we got realizing the only thing left for it
to actually have been in there was the next thing it was going to do
was tear through the sheet rocks. We had got that close, and that
will just make your heart skip a beat. You're realizing you were minutes away
from being torn just like he was. I couldn't believe it. So we
wanted to go in and get our stuff. And I was begging them to
stay with us, you know, don't leave us, don't leave us here,
and they could say, we were really that scared. And he said,
do you own this place? And he said, well, buying it
on contract and he said, well, do you want to report this?
And he said, I don't even know how to report it. He goes,
yeah, I don't know how to ask you to report it either.
He said, I'm willing to let this go off you are, and he
goes, yeah, I'm good with that, and he goes, good,
so am I because nobody would believe us back at the station, and so
they just kind of going to let it go at that. So he came
and I got my clothes and it went and I had my last of my
finals that day. He drove me to school that was like meeteen miles from
there, and he waited up me out in the parking lot. Yes,
I went in. It took my finals that he could believe that. I
don't even remember the test, but somehow, thank god, I basked them,
and you know, I came out and he was sitting there just kind
of quiet, and he said I really didn't believe you, and I'm sorry,
and I said, no, I'm the one that's sorry. I cost
you your dog. I cost you king, and I'm so sorry. And
he said, no, I cost king because I took you could come over
and he said that, you know, I think this is going to mess
with my head. I think when I see you, I'm going to see
king. And I don't know that we could see each other anymore. And
you can't really argue that. I felt so guilty, and I understood exactly
what he was saying, and I said, okay, I get it.
I understand it. So I knew that I was going to lose my best
friend at night too, just like he was off kids, I was going
to lose mind. So it was about three or four weeks before I heard
from him again, and you know, he did want to skin me kind
of see each other, but he said he had been thinking about it,
and we talked it through. You know, he said, we can't stay
around here. That thing's going to be coming for us, he said,
because I think it's going to be hunting me now as much as it is
you. And we can't tell people about this. I don't know, maybe
that brings it after us. So we made a vow to never tell anybody
about it. It had to be a vow of silence, and we did
a peaky swear on that, and we started dating a little bit. We
ended up getting married, had a daughter, and he just couldn't get over
it. So we split up before she was even a year old. And
you know, we never talked about that. I hardly ever saw him.
She never saw us in a room together, so she wouldn't even know what
it was like to have her parents in a room together. And she was
visiting him when she was twelve, and you no for then a couple of
weeks in this summer, and I had to be very careful when she went
to see him because he had gone heavy into drugs and alcohol, and I
was surprised because he hadn't been like that at all before. So she was
home and he gone out with some of his friends to party. And as
he came in, and she was watching the movie Silver Bullet, and there
was a scen where this WHEREWI was underneath the floorboards of a greenhouse, and
it came through the boards as it was roaring, just as he came through
the back door, and she said, he lost it. It's like he
got so mad at her and he was screaming at her that I had to
explain to her later, No, you caused a flashback because he heard the
wood breaking and the roar, just like it was at the back of the
house and he told her to get that off. Don't you ever turn anything
like that on again? Don't you ever watch any thinking? She said,
Dad, it's a movie. He said, no, it's not. Where
whips are real? Ask your mom. So she couldn't wait to get home.
And I mean when she came home, she didn't even have her coat
off yet. And she said, Dad says to ask you if where whips
are real? And I'm looking at her stun and I said, he brought
the vow of silence, and she said what. So I had to sit
down and explain to my daughter why did happened? And she was in shock
that we had kept that quiet from her all that time. I didn't talk
to him about it, you know, he had said that to her.
And you passed forward about another thirty years and he was on his deathbed.
He was dying as the roses of the liver from all this alcoholism and digs.
And I asked if I could speak with him, and so she gave
me the number to where he was and we talked about it, and he
said, I told you wrong, And I said, what he said,
We should have talked to people about it. He said, because I held
that in and the only way I could go to sleep at night was to
drink or get so messed up on pill that I could go to sleep past
the eyes because when I would close my eyes, I would see those green
eyes just drew into my soul. And then I realized that's why he had
become a drug addict and alcoholic. He was trying to pass out where he
didn't see that. And oh, Vic that that made me feel guilty all
over again. Not only do I cause him to lose his best friend,
but I wrecked his life by having invited over, you know, invite me
over that night. I couldn't believe that that I actually had ruined his whole
life. And he told me, he said, start talking to people about
it. Don't let it eat you up alive. Then he asked me if
I had problems, and I said, I have nightmares all the time,
and he said, see what I mean, You're going to have to tell
people, and I told him I would, And because of him having me
make that promise, that's why I'm talking to you tonight. I'm keeping my
word and it has helped, and You've been a big help, and I
thank you again, Dick and I think, and again for helping me.
Des I didn't want to end up the way he has. I mean,
it's affected me. I never had a dog for a pet, and I
would have loved to have had it, but I just felt guilty. You
know, he lost King. How could I have a pet? And he
told me to go get one. I haven't done it yet, but maybe
that'll be the next sign of healing is I'll call you some day and introduce
you over the phone to my dog. We'll see that that is my dog
did encounter. It's not your fault that King died. It's not your fault
that your boyfriend had those encounters, at least back then he was your boyfriend.
It's not your fault that he had that encounter. Like you said,
yet, every reason to think, by going all the way across town through
town, that there was no way that that dog, mean was going to
be able to track you. You had no reason to think for a second
that it would be able to do that you having that encounter with him.
That's not your fault. It's just something that was extremely in f fortunate that
it happened. But it's not your fault that it did. So please never
lose sight of that fact. If you look at it that way as if
it was your fault, then yeah, that is going to cause you a
lot of pain, a lot of pain that you shouldn't be suffering from.
I mean, you have experiences like that. It's hard enough to come to
terms with them as it is. But if you put a load on your
plate that doesn't need to be there on top of everything else that you're dealing
with, you're just going to make it harder on yourself. So, like
I said, please don't do that. Yeah, I think that you're right.
I think it did cost me almost my life. I love in a
very high pressure job as a directorcy of one hundred and forty bad facility,
and I guess the stress of the job, the dog man nightmares were coming
fard and fast every night I was in order to get in any sleep,
and I ended up having what they call a widow maker heart attack. And
only three percent of people live when that happens, and the damage done to
your heart, you never walk away from it and say, oh, you
know, I survived it without any big problems, because that's just not the
case. And what happened with me is that it damaged my final atrio note,
or known as the pacemaker of the heart. So I could be sitting
watching TV with a heart rate of seventy eight beats a minute, and it
will fire in two places all at once, and the bottom part of my
heart, you know, that responds to that to make the heart beat starts
responding to both of them, and I'll go from seventy eight beats a minute
to one hundred and ninety eight beats a minute, and it feels like somebody
put a stick of dynamite in your chest and blew it up. It is
so painful, and your blood pressure drops to like, you know, sixty
over thirty. You're going to pass out if you go to stand up.
So I have to call nine one one. They come get me. They
give me a medicine called the Denisen, and it stops your heart on a
dime. And when it does that, it feels like a professional boxer punching
you in the chest. They wait three minutes and then they restart your heart.
I've had to go through that thirty three times, and each time it
damages my heart a little bit more so all four valves of my heart now
are leaking and I've had to go on disability and give up my nursing job
that I loved, and I found a place to live and a little town
and that's where I've been living the past seven years. And now I have
more problems because of that living there, and so it's been really really hard
row for me. So just finding out what this was called, having you
tell me that I don't have to carry that fload of guilt, that's going
to really help offset what I'm going through now as I'm going through a lot
physically now. The house that I'm in now, when I was first moving
in and I was walking unpacking things, I heard this guy that was coming
out to do a rotor router on the pipes because nobody had lived in it
for seven years. I heard him break the sewer pipe right under my feet
in the bathroom, and I went running out to say, hey, you
just broke something, and I heard him break it again out in the yard
and he was trying to take that out as fast as he could, and
he said, I've got to go get apart, and he started leaving throwing
things in his truck and I said, are you going to put the cat
back on to that? Pipe sticking out. He said, I'll take care
of that when I get back. He never came back, and so my
landlord, he and his wife lived across the street, and I let him
know he broke this and he hasn't come back, and he said, well,
I see if I can get a hold of him. Well, he
didn't answer hitty of his calls. So he came over to put the cat
back on, and the stool was flashing better. I mean, there wasn't
a resistance like before. He said, well, maybe that was just what
it sounds like when the branches get clear, and you just don't know that.
So I bought that. Okay, I don't know that. That was
in December. In April and May and Junior start getting all these showers and
rains because of the season change. I started smelling like a sewer smell after
a rain, and I told them, you know, it's coming up through
the bathroom. Seek. I can smell it a little bit in the bedroom,
but three or four days after the rain, I couldn't smell it anymore.
Well, it has increasingly got worse, and my health started going down
hill. And now seven years later, I have to walk with a roller
walker with a seat on it because I can only walk about fourteen feet and
I had to sit down on the seat and try to get my air back.
And I have so much pain and swelling in my joints that I had
to slide my feet by somebody, you know, skiing trying to get along
to go up to a you know, some hill or something to go down.
I can't even hardly bend my niece. I have to sleep in a
recliner. I can't lay flat in the bed because I can't breathe. And
I'm just really surprised. So my daughter, who's forty four, moved in
with me in January to help take care of me, and her health started
declining rapidly, and this year with all the rain and everything coming, it
was so strong and staying that way that she had the windows up in the
bedroom that I used to sleep in, even when we had the air conditioner
running. And her husband had passed away five years ago, and she just
really wasn't fixing anything because she was just leaving it. And I said,
you know, this is really bad. Something's going on. And my daughter
has developed a serious cough. She's not getting over it, and I think
that you know, we've got some serious issues here. So she hired this
guy to come in to fix the broken pipe out in the yard. So
he's going he's going to shut the water off for a day. And he
came and said, you were right. It was broke out there. And
he said, but everything should be fine. I said, well, if
that's how it breaks downes that we're not fine. And I told him what
I had heard and that had been telling them that, you know, going
on seven years. So he goes underneath the house and he sees that he
had broke it right underneath the stool. So there was two and a half
to three feet deep of raw sewage and black mole had been growing all over
this thick and it was like five inches long. It was so thick.
And we have been breathing that, and that's what's been taking my health down
and what's making her sick. And so he went over and told her,
now that he had seen that, he had to fix that. He couldn't
leave it that way. And he told me that I would have to find
a place to stay. That would probably take like five days to get all
of that dug out and get that pot height, you know, dry there
and cleaned out and replace it. He gets a black mulled out and there
would probably be another five days. It would be like ten days. We
had to find some place to go. He comes back the very next day
in the evening and says, well, we're all done. You can move
back in. And I said what, and he goes, yeah, yeah,
we got it. I said, how can that be? He said,
oh, we did. We went over talked to her. He said,
you were right about everything. He said, I'm so sorry, and
I thought, why is he saying he's sorry? And I said, we
don't have to say you're sorry because you did it in record time. And
he goes, yeah, yeah, that's what I did. Then he leaves
and my daughter said that was kind of strange. He said it was,
And so my landlord came over and she was so mad at me, and
she said, why did you tell him about that? And I said,
because we're getting sick. And I have looked up black mold poising and guess
what it makes you where it's hard for you to breathe. It makes your
muscles and your joints get very painful and swollen, and walking becomes difficult and
you start forgetting things. You start having my early signs of dementia, trying
to come up with words. You can't think of what it was. I
said, even my daughter's starting to do that part. And she's got this
cough going. We're sick and it had to be fixed. And I've been
telling you every year. And she said, well, because you told me
that, and you cost me a lot of money, I want you guys
up by the end of July. And I said, And if I hadn't
said anything, she said, you could have lived here till you died.
And I said, but the way it's going, I don't think it had
been much longer. And she said, well, I'm sorry, but you
need to get out. And so now we're trying to find some place to
go, and it has to be with the ramps so I can try to
get into the house. And we're having a lot of problem trying to find
a place, and I don't know what we're really going to do, but
I appreciate you helping us with this, and you know, I can get
sleep and not worry about it so much now, so that I feel more
like trying to handle that stress because the stress of that and lack of sleep
would throw me back into you know what they call an SVT, a supervent
tricular attack of kartic episode. And I don't have any guarantees. When they
thought my heart, they didn't start back up, so I could leave that
way, leave my daughter. So again, thank you for helping me start
to get a little bit of peace of mind and sleep so that we can
look for home. Oh, you're welcome. From talking with you, it
sounds like you just might have found a home where you can move into,
and it would definitely be a much better situation for you. What more can
you tell us about that? I did find a home in Predonia, and
it's about eight miles away from where I live. It's a house that I
can step into. The steps are small, it has a handrail that I
could use to get in. It has plenty of room for us. It's
central heat and air. It's in a safe neighborhood, and they're going to
put a stove and a refrigerator and a worser and dryer intowards because I won't
have any of that any place else that I go. It's going to be
very expensive moving in, though, because it's going to be about three hundred
dollars more a month than what I was paying on my disability check, which
is going to make it rough. But my daughter is also on disability with
her heart and her lungs in some mental issues that she has gone through.
If I had her at the end of my six month know, they have
life flighted me out having her, and they just cause some problems. You
know, her body wasn't in the oven baking long enough. I guess is
how we could put it so she will be able to help me a little
bit pay on that so we can have a nice place to live, and
it'll be nice being we're weird live right now. If I meet a loaf
of bread, I have to drive eight miles into Reverdonia and an eight miles
back, fifteen miles here where this is, it's a half a block to
the store. That'll just be so much easier and better for us. And
that people that have it, I think are going to be very sleet and
very kind, and they're not going to knowingly let us live in something that
is causing us health issues. And I definitely don't think they'd make you get
out because you're telling someone, hey, this is what's going on. I
need help, So I'm really thrilled. I just now have to come up
with it. The ability to get the first and last month's rent and the
security deposit and you know, the deposit for the utilities and things. That's
the next thing I've got to do before the end of July. She said,
if I do it for the end of July that she will give me
back my four hundred and twenty five that I pay for rent right now to
help. But if I don't, if I'm one day over, she's keeping
it. And if I'm a week over, I'm going to find my stuff
out on the lawn. Well, I'm trying really hard. Well, I
can understand why this is life and death. Yeah, both of you,
you really need to get out of that house as soon as possible. That
goes without saying yes, how much would you need to be able to make
that move over to the house in Forre Dounia that you're telling us about.
Well, the rent is going to be eight hundred a month, and that
sounds crazy because it's Dublin, but I have found out that the rent is
so much. I like six hundred is the norm, and that's for a
little tiny house. That has almost nothing, looks like it could just fall
down. And I think the reason why she was renting that so cheap is
she knew there was a lot of issues with that house. She already knew
that it wasn't healthy and a good one. So I'd have to have the
first and last month's rent, which is sixteen hundred, I have to have
a Securit deposit which is another eight hundred, and then I have to have
two hundred and fifty a fifty for the water, fifty for gas, and
fifty for electric on utility deposits to get in there. So that's quite a
bit of money. So we're trying, and I'm going to do our best
because I really feel like that would be the perfect house for us. But
all the others is that, you know, I have potential of falling trying
to get into them because of the stairs going in and or no railing,
and it's just be safe for me to try. Yeah, it sounds like
it. How much of a boost would you need to definitely be able to
make that move? How much of a boost? Well, we've got close
to seven hundred saved back for one of the month's rent, so I'm going
to start trying to see if I can sell some of my furniture to see
if I get some more money, you know, for like the last month's
rent and maybe some of the deposit. And I'm going to see if the
Ministial Alliance maybe they can help with the deposits. You know, I'm not
sure. I've never asked for help before. I've always been the person to
try to give it, so this is all new to me. It feels
really foreign. And you know, I always think there's people out there that
need it more than me, but at this rate, with my health and
things, I'm kind of the one needing at this time. But I believe
that God will see me through this. He won't let me get put into
the yard. I just don't believe that He does work miracles, that's for
sure. Let me run this by you. The listeners are really carrying benevolent
people. I'm going to set up a GoFundMe page for you to help raise
the money required so that you can make that move, get out of that
nightmare situation you're currently in that's killing both you and your daughter. That's horrible.
It's not like it's enough that you had to suffer through all these dog
men accounters you have when you're younger. Now you have to worry about the
house you're living in killing you as well. So I'm going to set up
a GoFundMe page for you to help make up the difference between what you've already
saved and what you would need to be able to make that move into a
safe house in a much better environment. Like you said, that's closer to
the store, easier for It's going to be easier for you in every way.
It sounds like, do you have an idea? You're welcome? Thank
you, you're welcome. Do you have an idea, Joe, as far
as a figure I could set on your GoFundMe page, how much you would
need. Gosh, it's probably totally for all of that. And then I'm
gonna have to pay somebody to move us and things, because you know I
don't have anybody. It's probably going to be close to twenty eight hundred to
get us all put in there and moved in and safe and everything on and
going. It's quite a bit, well that is quite a bit. But
you'd be surprised what the listeners can do, especially now they've heard what you've
been made to bear and what you're suffering through. So I'm going to create
that GoFundMe page and I think you'll be surprised at what you see if you
follow it. Like I've got eight hundred of it, you know, with
this check from disability, so it would only be like two thousand for everything
else where, the last month's rented deposit and depositing utilities and things, and
then movers. Oh my gosh, that be such a miracle. Thank you,
You're welcome. Miracles do happen, Joe, they really do. Oh
thank God. Just so I'm clear, if I set the amount on that
your GoFundMe page for two thousand dollars, do you think that's all you would
need to make up the difference? Well, I feel bad even asking for
that amail, you know, Like I said, I've never asked it for
anything before. So well, yeah, but you need help, and all
of us need help at multiple times through all our lives. We all need
help. So you definitely are in one of those situations right now, Joe.
And if the help is there and available, which I definitely do believe
it is, I mean I'd be more than happy to get that GoFundMe set
up for you, and like I said, I think you'd be surprised at
how the listeners will respond. Oh, thank you and thank you to everybody
that's listen. Thank you so much, thank you. This is amazing,
it's amazing. You're not alone in this anymore. You've had to deal with
those encounters all these years and basically you've been alone. But you're not alone
anymore. No, you've got help, and please remember that you've got help.
Thank you, thank you, thank you everybody. Thank you for caring.
Thank you so much. Thank you. Vick, You're welcome, You
are welcome. Well, well, Joe, you've been through a lot recounting
those dogman encounters. Tonight, I've got tons of questions for you about those
encounters. Let me run this by you. Would it be okay if we
came back tomorrow night for a special live stream where I could ask you all
those questions, and the people in the live chat that would give them an
opportunity to ask questions for you that they've got as well. I'd be glad
to do that. Thank you great, well, if that's the case,
everyone, Yeah, we'll be back tomorrow night at nine pm Eastern time eight
pm Central, so that I can ask Joe all these questions. And like
I said, if you're in the live chat and you have questions for then
I'll be more than happy to ask your questions as well. But having said
that, we're a bad out of time, so let's call it at this
point and just start fresh tomorrow night. Then sounds good. Thank you,
thank you everyone. Well, that makes it easy. But having said that,
thanks again so much for your time Joe, and have a great night.