Hello, and welcome to Reality TV Cringe. I am one of your hosts,
Delia here with my real tight homegirl Beatrice. She's also my daughter in
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do. And today what we're doing is talking about vander Pump Rules. What
are we on? Episode four, Episode five, Episode five? I know,
God, we need to be getting into some actual content and drama.
Are we just on a tom Sand of All Redemption tour? I can't with
that. I don't want to have sympathy for this dude. He's a loser.
I don't want to see him cry over and over and over again,
like take off his sunglasses on purpose so that you can see that there's a
tear there. I know, Like Jesus, how manipul it is. It's
ridiculous. We'll get into it. Yeah, before we do, we do
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Thank you. Right before we get into the episode, there were a couple
of items in the news that came forth, one regarding Raquel or Rachel Levice
and another regarding Tom and Ariana and their continuing attempts to try and deal with
the house that they both own. Okay, so let's start with Raquel.
Rachel came out today that she is suing Tom Sandoval and Ariana Maddox for revenge
porn? What like, for her revenge porn for her well, for porn?
So what ended up happening was Arianna went into Tom's phone one night while
Tom was performing with the Most Extras. She had a womanly intuitive hunch.
She went into his phone. She saw a video of Tom and Raquel or
Rachel having FaceTime sex. She sent that video to herself, which I believe
she admitted on the show, and that is the distribution I think of the
revenge porn. I'm not sure if Tom sent it around. I'm not sure
who Arianna showed it to if she did, but it sounds like Raquel is
maintaining that they distributed this sexual video, and she's also saying she had she
was not somebody who consented. So again, Tom recorded their FaceTime sex,
Yeah, without her knowing. So then sue, Tom, why are you
doing Ariana? I think that's stupid personally. I mean, I don't know,
and I'm like, fuck around and find out. Raquel, Like,
I mean, you fucked around with Tom Sandoval. He's a piece of shit,
He's a scumbag. I'm not saying she deserves this, because nobody deserves
revenge porn, but I'm just like, did she know that the porn existed?
Like, did she know he recorded it? I don't think she knew
that she did not know that he recorded it, and I don't believe that
she knew that it existed, not until it was distributed. And this is
how Ariana found out. And then Ariana told Sena while Shehena and Raquel were
in New York to do watch What Happens Live. I'm not sure if she
sent it to Sena. She may have. And then that's when Shina punches
Raquel and they get the restraining order and this whole thing starts to go down.
Well, there is a statement that was released by Rachel's attorney. I'm
not gonna read the entire thing, but I'm going to read part of it.
And then there is another attorney who's weighing in about the veracity of this
case, like whether it has legs. Oh god, Okay. From Rachel's
lawsuit, they say Scanned of All injected New Life into a previously faltering series,
causing its viewership to explode to unseen levels and making its cast members mega
celebrities due to a narrative deliberately fomented by Bravo Evolution, and the cast Levis
became an object of public scorn and ridicule. To be clear, Levis has
repeatedly acknowledged that her actions were morally objectionable and deeply hurtful traumatic. She has
offered numerous apologies. There is more to the story, however, Lost in
the mix was that Levis was a victim of the predatory and dishonest behavior of
an older man who recorded sexually explicit videos of her videos m laural Interesting without
her consent, which were then distributed, disseminated, and discussed publicly by a
scorned woman seeking vengeance. That's Ariana catalyzing the scandal. Levis ultimately checked herself
into a mental health facility and remained there for three months while Bravo, Evolution
and the Cast milked the interest her exoriation had peaked. To make matters worse,
Levis was misled by Bravo and Evolution into believing that she was contractually barred
from speaking out about her mistreatment. As a result, she suffered in silence
as Bravo and Evolution watched viewership explode and the rest of the cast enjoyed unseen
levels of public recognition and professional opportunity. Meanwhile, Levice, who was humilian,
who was humiliated and villainized for public consumption, remains a shell of her
former self, with her career prospects stunted and her reputation in tatters. Yikes,
well, now I feel bad for my fuck around and find out comment.
I mean, well, when you put it into the context of Rachel
being a young woman, right, who falls under the spell if you will,
of an older, attractive man who's the number one guy in the group.
And she I think was an opportunist from the very beginning, like she
was a fan, she met James and that's how she got into the group.
But you can see how she was ripe for picking totally yea and to
take advantage of And you can also see how Tom is the kind of personality
that would absolutely take advantage of that situation, right. I just wonder what
the extent of like the distribution and the dissemination, yeah, that Arianna did,
because I mean if she just sent it to herself and then told people
about it, I mean, I don't know if that really counts as like
distributing. It'd be one thing if she like posted that shit on ig right
or something, or like post it on like the Underweds everywhere. Oh my
god, that'd be horrible. That would be so terrible for Rachel's sake and
everything. But if she just sent it to herself and then nobody else,
I mean, but I mean, even if she showed her real tight homegirls,
can you imagine if you got if you got cheated on and you found
out by going through your husband's phone or your wife's phone, you send that
to yourself and then you show your best friend, like, look what I
just found? Right? Is that really distributing revenge porn? Right? That
doesn't feel like it? But I don't think the law cares about our feelings.
No, in regard to that. And to that end, there is
an attorney who makes a comment about this lawsuit, and I think it's Mark
Geragos. He's kind of a celebrity attorney who's been involved in a lot of
different cases and trials, and he says, this lawsuit is squarely about illegal
behavior and those who traffic in it and enable it. Rachel has apologized for
her part in an affair that's not a crime. Tom and Ariana are alleged
here to have engaged in actual criminal acts. They then doubled down and use
those actions to shame, bully, belittle, and intentionally try to destroy Rachel's
mental health. The law makes it clear that recording someone without their consent and
distributing that illegal recording is punishable by law. However, doing so while knowingly
enticing them to engage in those sexual acts deserves the harshness of penalties allowable under
law. So I get it, yeah, and I understand it. But
is that really what happened here? Because Tom Sandoval didn't show Ariana the video,
and we can't assume that he showed anybody else the video. He may
have he's a gummy guy, he's a shit, but we don't have that
information or evidence at this time. So he took the video. Is that
a crime? I think so, because without her consent that would be criminal,
right, and I think in California, like you have to have permission
from both parties in order to record something, So he shouldn't have done that,
And maybe that's a crime, But we don't actually know if he disseminated
it. If anybody actually disseminated it, it would probably have been Ariana.
Yeah, but has showed her friends. But did she send it to her
friends or did she show it to them on her phone? And if she
sent it to her friends, then those friends could have sent it to anybody
else, but it's fruit from the poisonous street. It's well, that's a
legal term and it doesn't apply. But if it comes from her though,
and ultimately gets to one hundred people, she's responsible criminally, right, Yeah,
then she's as well, then she's totally fucked and then they're gonna have
to settle on something. So but like the whole like intentionally destroying her mental
health, I mean I don't know, like what extent did they intentionally destroy
her mental health? Like that's the same kind of argument that Sandoval is doing,
Like everybody destroyed my mental health to the point where like I wanted to
unlive myself. It's like, well, I mean you brought it on yourself,
you kind of these are the actions, Like this is the consequences to
your actions. So I don't know about that part. But like the distribute
distribution of her tapes that she didn't consent to, yikes. Yes, And
if it really did stunt her ability to have professional opportunities, she's gonna have
to prove that up. She's gonna have to show damages. But like if
she can show that, well, she obviously isn't on vandr Pump rules right,
that was a great opportunity. But from what I understand, that was
her, Like they wanted her to come back, and I think Lisa Vanderpump
actually gave a statement and like, we offered her a lot of money to
come back, and she also made a good deal of money while she was
here, oh, profiting off of everything. But again, I say,
I have much more compassion for Rachel Raquel because she's a younger person. She's
not a kid. I'm a child. She should know better, Like what
she did was wrong, and she acknowledges that. But I feel for her
being in kind of a fucked up, holl weird situation in this weird group
of clout chasers, trying to find your place and falling under the spell of
like this magnetic guy, yeah, who's totally a manipulative, horrible narcissist,
who totally could have told her anything like, oh yeah, me and Arian
are on the fritz. We have a horrible relationship. It's just you,
baby, I want you. And then fucking videotaping her. Oh that's so
terrible. That's so fucking bad. It's really bad. I think there's like
a Netflix documentary about revenge porn and how this is becoming like more and more
of a thing where like horrible, awful men are recording women without their consent
and then just posting it on fucking porn hubbed shit. That's so terrible.
We have to make examples out of each and every one of them. And
I think the laws are getting stronger and stronger about this and guys really are
fucking around and finding out. Wow. Well, we definitely will continue to
watch it. What I what I kind of felt when I was reading from
her actual lawsuit. It feels to me like maybe she's focusing right now on
Tom and Ariana around the revenge porn and their part in what happened to her,
But like it also feels like at some point she's going to bring in
Bravo and Evolution the production company, because she's saying that they fomented or they
made all of this worse. They also told her she couldn't actually speak out
and say anything, so she was suffering in silence. It feels like like
I'm actually surprised that Bravo and Evolution were not included in this lawsuit. Why
only Tom and Ariana Does she have the money to sue huge corporate entities like
Bravo and whatever. The thing. I think that she has a family,
of means, I do think she has a family that can back her up.
And I also think there's a lot of lawyers who would love to take
a lawsuit like this. Really, Oh my god, so be watching.
It's very interesting personally, and then I'll wrap this up. I mean just
but I'm like, this is so interesting to me. But personally I would
sue the fuck out of Tom. But after what I did to Arianna,
I would not sue her. I mean, even though that's fucked up.
I'm really pissed you showed your friends or you sent it to Shena. I'm
not gonna go after you because I shouldn't have done what I did, right,
unless Ariana did actually distribute it to other people who like, actually send
it to people, Because if she did that, then Ariana sucks and that's
pretty shitty. Like regardless, if this is your man's mistress, like,
you don't fucking just send out your nudies or these bad tapes and these sexy
tapes and stuff to everybody just because you're bitter. Well, yeah, you
don't do that, but you also don't fuck your best friend's guy while her
grandmother's dying or is passing and she's losing her dog and all of the things
that Raquel did, Like, I would feel so bad for everything that I
did that I would leave Ariana out of it. But like, we don't
know the scope of what Ariana did, if she did anything at all.
I'm sure they can get their phone records and they can find out if she
sent something to somebody and who that was, and maybe they will. I
think discovery would be really interesting. I think depositions would be really interesting.
So we're going to be following this because well it's interesting. I'm excited.
And the last thing I wanted to talk about before we get into the episode
is this Tom versus Ariana and the house situation. Apparently, Arianna fould a
lawsuit she wants to i think, compel the sale of the house, and
Tom Sandoval is fighting Arianna as she tries to force the sale of their home,
claiming he loaned her a big chunk of change that he wants back before
selling the crib they shared. According to new Gould docs obtained by TMZ,
Tom alleges he loaned Ariana ninety thousand dollars and that she hasn't paid him back.
Yet more importantly, Tom wants Ariana to fork over the dough before a
judge potentially orders them to sell the house and split the proceeds. In his
response to Ariana's lawsuit, he also says he has a lien on the house
that's directly tied to this alleged loan to her. Interesting, and he says
no sale can go down until this is dealt with. As we first told
you, Ariana is suing Tom over the Los Angeles house that they own.
They lived there as a couple. Blah blah blah. Tom's so far resisted
and now it's looking like he's digging in his heels and claiming that she needs
to settle up with him over this loan before selling the house. So that's
interesting. So there's a lean on the house, So what is it like
she owes the money on the house for the lean that you took out,
and I don't know, she also owes all of these bill payments and shit
like, Well, she didn't put a lien on the house. And so
usually a lien is put on your house when you owe money and your house
is up as collateral for that money. Yeah, and you're defaulting on the
loan or you're not paying it, and so like for example, with taxes,
if you don't pay your taxes to the irs, they can put a
lien on your home. So that's interesting that there would be alean on this
house that he's saying is connected to ninety thousand dollars he lent Ariana. And
I'm wondering if he's talking about the mortgage payments she hasn't been making for the
last eight eight months, which would have been probably about ten thousand dollars a
month for her on a two million dollar house. You're probably paying twenty thousand.
I don't know how much bank, but maybe that's what he's talking about.
But that's not a loan. That's just her saying you didn't give me
the receipts and so I'm not going to pay you and overbay you because you've
been lying to me. That's what I was confused of. I'm like,
this is this an addition ninety dollars in like on top of everything that you
say she already owes her. If it's just all of the bill payments that
she hasn't paid allegedly right. But then Arianna said a couple episodes ago that
the mortgage payments that she was being told to pay to Tom were an overpayment.
So she's like, I'm not paying this shit until you tell me by
five dollars, like how much of an overpayment? Like you know you owe
the mortgage every month though, right, Like you know approximately how much it
is because you know how much the house is and how much you refined it
for because you did the refinance with him. So I just think she just
stopped paying because she wanted to be petty. And I don't hate her for
that. I mean I don't either. She's gonna have to settle up.
Yeah, But I could also see Tom saying like, oh, yeah,
i'll pay x amount and you pay this amount, But then he's just pocketing
like the extra that she's paying, he's over. Like I don't know.
Their finances seem so fucking messy, like way more messy than like the Browns.
I mean, I know they don't got bankruptcies and stuff, but that
lean on that house is interesting. All of the shit that they've gone in
on, Like he's apparently done all these repairs on the house, so he's
got all this money tied to it, and then she owns all the fucking
furniture and stuff in the house, right, which was interesting. Oh my
god, beautiful furniture. I wonder how much that is worse? I know,
I want to tally of everything, thousands, probably it's got to be
right, Oh my god. Yeah, So this would be interesting to follow
what happens with those two so many if we ever get to it. I
mean, that's it. The most interesting thing about this season that they should
absolutely be covering is what are they doing legally? What's happening with the division
of the assets? Like how does that work? Like that's what we want
to see, but that's not what we're getting. Instead, we're having photoshoots
with Lisa vander Pump with wolves and Graham Cracker the Dog And I'm like,
I don't care though, And Brock and Shea in this episode, I do
care about that because I hate him more and more as the weeks go by.
This brock Fellow, yeah, but I'm just like, Sheena is inseufferable
too. I don't want to talk about them or fucking sand of All crying
in his green blazer for us to care about him. Like I don't care
that you're sad. Yeah, like you're sad for a reason. You did
this to yourself and cry more. And I feel like he's just putting eye
drops in his eyes to make himself cry. God allah, Love is Blind?
What that dude from Love is Blind? Did he? Oh? Not
this season? But it was the last season of Love and Blind. Yeah,
there was that guy who was actually putting vizine drops in his eyes during
his talking head and not thinking that production was going to show it, but
they did stop. So maybe Tom is doing something like that. I wouldn't
be surprised. It really feels like production is participating though with this redemption arc,
like they really want us to feel bad. Why I don't understand,
Like, after this blow up of season ten that was so insane, and
you know all of your viewers hated Tom Sandoval and still do, why are
you trying to force this redemption arc literally the next season when nobody fucking likes
him. I think it's because Scandival was like the biggest thing to happen to
the franchise in many years, and so they want Tom to stay centered at
this time in this season. I think it's also because maybe I wonder if
they have a sense that Ariana's not going to be around forever, because like
you'd have to watch the previous seasons to understand that, like she really wasn't
doing much. She was really just an appendage of Tom Sandival. It was
Tom and Ariana, but like she didn't really do anything or contribute much in
my opinion, to the show. So maybe they understand that she's probably cycling
out of the franchise, but Tom is the one that's going to stay.
Yeah, so Tom might be the one that they think they have to redeem.
I'm not saying it's right or that I agree, but maybe that's part
of the motivation behind it. I don't get it. That's stupid, and
I don't I don't want it. No, I don't want it at all.
But I don't I don't know what's happening. And then all of the
other cast members are just like, Okay, I guess, I know.
I don't know what else to do. Let's just go to Tahoe, I
guess, and have this conversation with Tom and James where James is like,
I don't want to, but I have to because it's my job, right,
I have to like you, So okay, we'll try and be friends
again. Yeah, and Lala trying to suck Sandoval's dick. We'll get to
it, yes, we will. Well, why don't we start with the
episode? All right? Yapped a lot about well, this episode was kind
of light on the content. There was a lot of just like it felt
very fillery to me, like it was not they're getting to the meat of
the episode or meat of the trip really next episode. It looks like all
of the drama at Tahoe is going to happen next week. Boring, but
everybody is getting ready to go to Tahoe this episode at the beginning, besides
Katie and Arianna. Obviously, He's like, I don't care. I'm not
missing out. I'm totally fine to I'm certainly not gonna be in a home
with Tom and Tom those losers, thank you. And Ariana is like,
I'm not going, of course, not because Sandoval is gonna be there,
but she's like totally side eyeing all of the girls that are going, like
Laala and Sheena, because she's like, what about the loyalty to me?
Though? Why do you like Tom Sandival? All of a sudden, which
seems like in the preview, Sena is gonna call Ariana and be like,
yeah, I really feel for Tom now and I think we should be nice
to him. And Ariana is gonna be pissed. She is gonna be pissed.
But like the elephant in the room is the reality that this is everybody's
job. This is how Sina makes money. This is one of the avenues
into all of her other money, Like she needs to show up, Like
and if Sheena doesn't film, Shina doesn't get paid. And so you're putting
your friends who actually work with you. There are co workers as well,
in like kind of a terrible position by asking them to pick sides. Maybe
you think, well, if they don't go, we can film shit here
in Los Angeles. But that's allboring. What do you have going on?
I know it's your shop that doesn't open, that somebody's shit on your patio.
What do you got going on? Like? I want to hear about
your boyfriend? Yeah, I want to hear about all of the brand deals
that are coming in that we all know that you got, Like why aren't
you talking about that? More? Right? I would like to know about
that? And also Katie's dating, Like when are we going to get to
that? I know? And Katie's apparently dating a girl in like a relationship
with a man. Lib Yeah, I do love alsbian fantasy, and I
was not paying that for Katie. But I'm like, hey, I'm all
about that. Yes, me too. Now we just need the gay fantasy
to come true for Schwartz. Okay, girl, I pressed sad, little
Schwartz. Listen, your daughter was watching this with me last night, and
she has not been watching the show like she you know, sees it every
once in a while when she comes out from playing video games in her cave
and she's like this show again and walks away. But then last night she
watched it with me and she saw the interact like she saw Schwartz look at
Sandoval on the plane to Tahoe, and she immediately said, I have not
told her any of this. She's like, oh, they're gay. They're
fucking really And I'm like, did you get the vibe that I got?
Like I hadn't even told her my gay conspiracy because I knew she wouldn't care,
And she's like, no, they're totally fucking Do you guys think so?
Like, are any of you guys out there thinking that maybe they that's
the reason, Oh yeah, Schwartz is so ride or die for Tom is
because they've got some sort of connection that goes beyond friendship. Schwartz is in
love with Tom. I'm calling it dude, like broke Back Mountain style.
They do it in secret. It's all hot and sweaty. Oh my god,
I'm telling you woe your daughter had that same vibe. Well, if
that's true, I would just wish that they could tell the truth or that
we could know about it, because talk about something that that would outshine scandabal.
If that came out, that'd be fantastic. I know, but I
don't know about all that. It's in my dreams, it is in your
dreams. I saw a clip of Sheena and Lala in Tahoe. I think
this is going to be on next week's episode, unless it was this week's
and I didn't realize it. But where Sena is actually talking about her conflict
over Tom, because she says during the pandemic she was really low on funds.
She wasn't making any money. They had discontinued her podcast, which obviously
she went on to start on her own, but like she was really worried
about money, and Tom sent her several thousand dollars without being asked, just
sent her several thousand dollars via PayPal, just to help her out because she
had just had summer moon. She had a lot going on in her life.
And so she's conflicted because she knew Tom before she knew Ariana. Tom
and her had a standalone friendship outside of Ariana. Tom has done some demonstrably
cool things to help Shina. Wow, So she's really torn up about having
to ice him out and not be friends. I mean, I guess that
makes sense, I guess, but it's hard for me to like see some
of the good and Tom Sandbal because I just think he's like super fucking manipulative.
I just think he he toys around with people and he just wants people
for the attention and for like the look of it all, because he's such
an extrovert. He's like, yeah, look at me, I've got all
these friends. It's like why he had all those randos for his birthday party,
Like it was just for appearances rather than just being a cool dude turning
forty one or whatever however old he is and just drinking a beer on the
couch. I feel like he's probably in the business of paying for his friendships
because with James, when James got engaged to Rachel Raquel, he gave James
i think twenty five thousand dollar toward his proposal, Like he has so much
fun with it, but like he has he seems to have a very generous
spirit, but it could be manipulative just to keep people around him and loyal
to him. Yeah, I know people like this am my real life.
I know people who think that that's what friendship means by just providing money and
they're like, yeah, you should think I'm a good person because I provide
so much for you, and this is how they are in their relationships too,
And I'm just like, it doesn't make a whole friendship. It doesn't
make a whole relationship if you're just giving people money because you think that that's
like the humanitarian thing to do, or like, yeah, the only way
people will stay around is if they can use you. Like that sets up
very bad relationships, yes, but I just yeah, I think this is
the conflict we're going to see begin to develop over the next few episodes,
is just Sheina being really conflicted and also perhaps Lalla certainly has it concerned Schwartz,
but also maybe Sandoval, although I think she fights with Sandoval in the
next episode about something. But anyway, I want to see that onward,
and let's keep going anyway. Yeah, everybody's, you know, getting ready
to go to Tahoe. Schwartz and Sandoval are going shopping, but Schwartz is
poor and can't come for anything, which is sad. But they start talking
about Rachel because Schwartz gets some notifications on his phone and he's like, oh,
Raquel changed her name to Rachel, and Sandoval's like, yeah, I
knew that already. And then he gets another notification and it's Rachel is out
of the mental health facility, and Sandoval's like, yeah, I knew that
already because I tried texting her and she ghosted me. And that I think
that hurts Sandoval's feelings. Oh yeah, I mean that's a narcissistic injury and
he's having a hard time getting over it. Yeah. I also think he
really wants Rachel to come back because it would be so flipping good for the
show. What if she does, what if it's been this whole thing,
like she doesn't show up or anything. But then she does like at the
very last episode and then comes back. I think she's coming back next season.
Oh yeah, and that's gonna get those all the way back up.
I just see what happens. I think Ariana might be gone by then.
I think if Rachel comes back, Ariana goes. I mean, yeah,
I would. I don't think we need Ariana. I'm sorry, I'm just
saying it. I don't think we need Ariana. It doesn't mean I'm not
team Mariana regard to what happened, but I just don't think she adds a
whole lot to the cast. Well, and I'm like, does she even
want to be involved. It doesn't seem like she wants to be It doesn't
seem like she genuinely likes anybody except for Katie. And yeah, I don't
think she wants to be there except for the paycheck. So you know,
we don't need you. Yeah bye. Although it was funny when her and
Katie were talking about their restaurant somebody shitting on their perch. Yeah, like
all of the regulations that they have to go through in the permits and the
things that they have to do. That's California for you. Know, it's
hard to be in business in California, so they're struggling. And I don't
think something about her is open to this day. I mean, is it
ever going to open? Is it a prop for the show? I mean
it feels like it a little bit. I feel like it's going to be
like Shorts and Sandy's taken forever to open, and then it's just going to
be a flop. Yeah. And then oh, and Sheena and Brock go
shopping for bikinis and they fight at the bikini store because Brock's super pissed that
Sheena is still nervous about leaving their baby with anybody. Like they just found
a nanny, and then the nanny doesn't pan out because she has to go
nanny for another family that just had a baby, and then nanny had a
baby herself, and it's this big old thing. And Brock doesn't want Sheena's
mom to be around all the time. So what does he want Sheena to
do? Right? Like, what is she supposed to pull out of her
ass to make him happy in this situation? Right? Like, she's dealing
with anxiety for which she has no compassion whatsoever. At least she has her
mom and her sister, they're right there. They help with the baby,
but Brock seems to really resent that, and he doesn't want his mother in
law to be around all the time. But like, summer Moon is young,
so you don't want them around. But at the same time, you
want to be gone all the time. You want to have date nights,
you want to go to Tahoe, you want to be able to have some
freedom in your relationship. So why don't you workshop that problem and why don't
you find out a solution instead of putting all that emotional labor onto Sina,
I know, and then yelling at her in public. In public, I'm
like, why are you bringing this up? And why are you talking about
her mommy issues? And shit, I'm like, dude, this guy is
a dick. Like he's just really harsh. I mean, he apologizes for
it later when they're in Tahoe, but that's like several days after the fact,
and I'm just like, this guy sucks. I feel like they're trying
to create and or force a storyline. I feel like he is, for
sure, because he wants to play more of a role in terms of the
cast, especially now that things are shifting around because he's nothing. And I
think this is like the way that he thinks he's gonna do it. But
you're coming off it's giving, weirdo, it's giving. What are you talking
about? Your wife has legitimate anxiety in OCD. She's like getting treated for
this, Like what are we doing here yelling at her and putting her down
for doing her very best. She's the fucking bread winner, bra for real
though. She's the one who bankrolled your dumb jym app which didn't go anywhere.
She's the one who's taking care of your entire life. And we're sitting
in this shop and you're yelling at her. Okay, I know, okay,
And I hate him, yeah, and I can't stand him. And
we don't need him, No, we don't. We do not need him.
We don't need she know though, either, because she keeps talking about
how she doesn't want to leave her baby, but then she's literally without her
baby all the time, right going to bars, going to tom. We
do need she know though, because she's an intermediary between certain of the cast
members, But like, we don't need Brock. Yeah whatsoever? He adds
nothing, And you know what really bothered me to was like how he talked
to Tom Sandoval. Now, yeah, Tom Sandoval's piece of fucking shit.
Yeah, but like when he's wearing his fucking speed out Brock with his long
silk robe, like because he's not a narcissister anything. No, and Tom
comes down and he immediately starts in on Tom. I mean, if I'm
Tom and I've been on this franchise for I don't know twelve years, and
I'm the number one guy in the group, which Tom, you know,
used to be. But like he's got more currency in this group than Brock
could ever have, like to presume for you to lecture me, I know,
some shit like who are you anyway? Like the second that they get
to Tale, hoh, I'm like give it a breath, like you're not
my friend. Yeah, you weren't there for me, Like you're nobody to
me. And again, I'm not taking up for Tom Sandival. I'm just
like, Brock, who do you think you are? I know you're literally
an NPC. You're the background character on the showy fuck off my TV dude.
Oh he suck. I know. It would have been way better if
James just like went in on Sandal the second that they got there, but
he didn't. Well, James did it the right way. James said,
hey, how are you doing. He's not coming in too strong, He's
like giving him a wide berth. They're gonna get to that conversation when it
happens organically. But like fucking Brock and Espiedo just being the moral voice of
the group, I'm like, I need you to fucking get off my TV.
I know. I'm like, oh, I don't like there's some about
him. I do not like, I'm telling you cheater vibes. Dude,
he just doesn't give me good vibes at all. He just seems like a
dick. He seems like he treats Sheena pretty bad. I don't know,
but she is also annoying and whatever. Yeah, But once they're all in
Tahoe and after Brock confronts Sandoval in the kitchen for some reason, everybody kind
of gets settled. And then Schwartz is like, yeah, I'm really glad
I brought the gang back together here, and you know, I'm trying to
get the family back and it's all because of me, right, I'm like,
oh god, right, this guy, Yeah, this fucking guy.
I can't stand him taking credit it's not really about peace in the group.
It's about I'm the one who did it. Yeah, so I get credit
for that. That's totally it. And it's kind of cringey. Oh.
And then in the car ride, before they even get to the house that
he rented for everybody, he's talking with Sandoval, and Sandoval starts crying right
and Sart's like, are you okay, buddy? But can we talk about
what he's crying about? He's hying because when they were all at the airport
and he went into the airport bar, like she said, hey, we're
over here, like in other words, you can sit by us, and
that's what he's crying about. Like that gesture was so meaningful to Like,
it was so I don't know, you know, like meaningful to me.
And he's got this fucked up glycer and tear coming down the side of his
face and I'm like, I don't care. I'm like, what is this?
I don't care? And then they cut to him in his talking head
in that fucked up green blazer with gold buttons, and he's crying more just
about how he's been in a dark plaze. I literally checked out. I'm
like, I need to hear your voice warpling. This is so fucking fake.
I am an empathic person. I mean women, we are too.
We're intuitive, Like I can see you and I know this is a manipulation
and you don't mean this shit. No, because as you mentioned last week,
like on the weekends, though, you're out with the most extras,
you're calling out Raquel and Tom Schwartz and you're having a great old time,
but you're crying in the car. Okay, yeah, like I sure,
sure, jam, we buy it. And even in his talking head in
that green blazer after he's done crying and he's talking about everybody, he's getting
settled at the at the house and he's like, well, it's nice,
but you know, most people are being cordial to me, but everybody's not
taking accountability for what they did to me, right and how they treated me,
and the podcasts and the merch and profiting off of my misery. And
I'm like, okay, I get it. But at the same time,
dude, you fuck around and you find out like you did the worst thing
on this cast, and you also fucking filmed this mistress that you were banging
without her consent, So that's another fucked up thing that you did, and
I'm sure nobody knows about that. Nobody's talking about it. I think at
this time people do know about it. At this time, what is it
July or August? I think that people know about the tape and that this
happened. Why we're not calling this despicable behavior out in the actual friend group
is beyond me. You'd think Bala or any of these girls would say something
about that, even though they hate Raquel, that's fine. At least you
would say something like, what the fuck are you doing? Tom? Yeah,
for real, that's against the law, and it's I don't know why
nobody maybe because of the legal ramifications of having that conversation on camera. Maybe
Bravo or Evolution doesn't want them to. But if that were me, he's
somebody in my friend group, I would be like calling his ass out.
Oh me too, I'd be like, fuck this dude. But instead Tom
gives this whole narrative, like this air that he's working on himself. When
they're out on the patio and everybody gets settled in their's swimsuits, He's like,
oh yeah, I'm sober. No, And I'm like, you know,
trying to really like word, go myself and be a better person.
Lalla's fucking ass is like, yeah, I think it's admirable that he's working
on himself. I'm like, really it, because that's her entire identity is
sobriety. So I feel like Tom is doing this intentionally to try and connect
with Lala because he knows that's really important to her and that if he gives
up liquor, that's going to be meaningful to her. So I just feel
like it's another way to like manipulate Lalla and the group. And I want
to say again, like, I think Tom Sandoval has the point here,
Like, Shena, you were absolutely gross. The lengths you went to to
profit off of everything that happened which did not happen to you. It didn't
happen to you, and the way that you made it about you is problematic.
And Lala, you did the same thing on your own podcast and in
your own way. Everybody profited about this situation and over what happened to Tom,
Like, I think there's a conversation that they could happen, that they
could have, and I think he tried to have it with Sheena two episodes
ago when he's wanted to say, I would have never done that to you,
Like if something terrible had happened to you, or if you tripped and
did something terrible on the world stage, I would not be out here on
podcasts calling you out for it and trying to interview all of these people so
I can make money off of your name. Like there's something to that that
I think is valid that we could talk about. But because Tom hasn't taken
organic, authentic responsibility for the shit that is and you can tell he doesn't
feel it internally. Oh, he doesn't feel sorry. Every single interview he
does, every podcast he's on, it's always I'm sorry, But he doesn't
actually take responsibility for anything that he's done. Because of that, we don't
want to hear about anything that anybody else did that may have hurt your feelings.
Yeah, because you aren't coming correct in this situation, right, And
I don't buy that you're working on yourself just because you stopped fucking drinking,
Like, Okay, congrats that you stop drinking. That's great, but that
doesn't mean that you're fucking healed and that you're this great person and you're humble.
Although he is taking Lisa vander Pump's advice during this trip, and he's
being very nice and cordial and saying, thank you guys for being nice to
me. And I set up a guided meditation for us all to do so
we can heal together. I'm like, oh, this is crazy. Yeah.
Yeah. And then even when he talks with James later, like he's
trying to be kind of nice, kind of low key whatever, because that's
what Lisa vanderpump told him to do. Be humble. That way you can
get on everybody's good side, right, But it's not some he truly feels
about himself or about the group. He's just trying to keep his job.
He's just trying to be able to be a part of the social circle,
which is the premise for this show, which is his job. Yes,
that's what he's doing, and you can see it, and James can see
it, and you could see James knowing it in the midst of that conversation.
Oh for sure. I love James Loki. I know you hate him,
I know you think he's a piece of shit, but I'm like,
I suspect him to be a domestic abuser, and that's just a no go
for me. There's not. I don't know if there's enough evidence. There's
just girls who have said so. But there's not even one man on this
cast that I like, there's not one man. No, Yeah, they're
all pretty terrible. They all are pretty terrible. And then while everybody's on
the patio talking about Graham Cracker changing his name to hippie. I don't care,
No nobody cares, boring, we get a scene with Arianna talking to
her interior designer or furniture person I don't know, at their house, Tom
and Ariana's house, and this is where she's talking about how you know,
Tom wants to buy her out of the house. She's warming up to the
idea, but only he only gets the walls. I want to be reimbursed
for literally all the furniture and everything that's in this house, because basically she
paid for everything. So she's like walking around talking bounders, chairs and the
couches and stuff, and I'm like, what do you mean reimbursed? Like
are you gonna let him keep it? And she just wants the money.
Probably I would just take all the fucking furniture, but I mean she might
move into an apartment. She might. That's to New York and she might
not be able to take the furniture. Maybe she doesn't want it because she
shared it with him. That's true. She should get the monetary value of
it depreciated for time and use. But like she should get some money for
that. Oh for sure. All of those chairs were super like name brand
and stuff, and I mean they look horribly uncomfortable and terrible, but that's
great. And then like the fucking artwork and the weird chandeliers that she has
that we're all designed that are super expensive. I'm like, yes, Queen,
get all of that money. I think that's great. I can pay
it all up. Yeah, I'm just all part of the negotiation once they
go to court and try to figure everything out. And that's what they're doing
right now. Yeah, which I'm excited to see how that goes. I'm
like, I wish we could have more of those conversations, like we were
just saying, like, let's get into the legal stuff, let's get into
the breakdown of the house. I don't care about talk. I think it's
the very beginning of that though, Like I don't think she might have been
consulting an attorney. I don't know if he is like, this is the
very beginning of these types of conversations and hopefully as we go on we'll be
able to hear some more. But like I'm not holding my breath. Yeah,
we'll see. And then we get back to Tahoe, and this is
where everybody starts getting like dressed to go to Lisa vander Pump's new restaurant that's
under construction called whoa, Oh my god, masculine and woodsy like tah Okay,
like okay, Lisa vander Pump. But it's like a total mess in
this new restaurant because there it's all under construction and there's like a wall up
for everybody to knock down honey with their weak ass swings. You want to
talk about cringe. I mean the whole thing was cringey. I mean it
was sad when Tom Schwartz hit the wall and said I don't want to be
single at forty. I know that's sad, but I mean, again,
you brought that shit on yourself. Yeah, but like when Tom sand of
all bitch this started hitting the wall and over calling out Scandaval and then calling
out La law and with a mustache, and I'm just like, oh my
God, this was his moment to perform. Yeah, and he couldn't really,
He's got those thin little tooth pick arms. You're skipping arm day and
like all days are being skipped. But like it was just so performative.
Yeah, And like, do you not have the function to see how it
is you appear to other people? No? Like, I feel like I
can do that. I can kind of tell if I'm talking too much,
or I can kind of tell, you know, if somebody wants me to
I can you can you get the dae? Yeah? I check. But
Tom does not have any sense whatsoever how this is coming across to other people.
They're literally laughing at it, I know, and I'm cringing watching it
through my fingers. On this episode, I'm like, dude, forty how
old is he? Forty forty one? Forty one? Loser, dude,
I can't like every time I see him, I'm like, I hate you
with your fucking nail polish, your fucking I like his nail polish. I
mean, I don't mind a metrosexual male. I like him. I like
him having his own sense of style. I don't necessarily like that. I
mean, I don't have a problem with any of that. I have a
problem with this bullshit. Yeah, calling out Lalla's name, I know,
calling out all of this shit. Arian. I don't remember everything he said.
I didn't write it down, but I was just like, oh god,
can I fast forward this? This is not hitting how you think is
hitting with the kids. I know it was uncomfortable, and everybody's calling it
out like ooh, I said that to him. I said that to him,
like, oh god, And this just proves, like, Tom,
you're not actually working on yourself for like actually taking any accountability because you're still
mad at everybody else for some fucking reason. You're still blaming. It's so
ridiculous. You're still deflecting, like he didn't even hit the hammer for what
he did. He knows, what about the things you caused, like Jesus
crackers. H. And then after that cringe fucking sledgehammer therapy session, everybody
goes to lunch with Lisa vander Pump and this is also kind of does she
have to be in scenes at all? I mean, right, like,
let's get the party started, kids, I'm like, oh my god,
no, not now, we can't party because you're here. Plus you're our
boss. A little bit you're the executive producer of the show, right,
you're I don't know, sixty something like beat it. I know Lisa,
and you know they're going to like a two pm dinner because she's old early
bird special. Yeah real. And this whole thing was just like awkward because
people are talking to Schwartz and they're like, yeah, it's sad that you
hit the sledgehammer for wanting to be not wanting to be single at forty?
What about your friends with benefits Joe right, Which I'm just like, he's
not fucking Joe. He's thinking about Sandival. Well, the rumor was that
he was with Joe or that's a beard, they were in a relationship,
but like he was very reticent to claim her because apparently she's kind of a
weirdo. I don't know, Like in that scene from last week when Joe
was there and Tom and Tom were trying to talk about stuff and Joe kept
trying to interject. Apparently Joe like talks a lot, oh and talks over
people and inserts herself into situations, and so they kept talking over her.
But yeah, I think she's a weirdo, and I think maybe Schwartz was
with her for a period of time, but now is just trying to get
rid of her. That's cringe. Yeah, he just keeps saying that the
table too. He's like, I'm single. I'm fine with it, you
guys, but you know he cries himself to sleep with his plants and to
succulents. Yeah, and then Lisa fucking vander Pump for some reason, says,
hey, let's everybody say one thing we love about Sandoval. James,
you start why, literally why, and nobody says anything, Like James doesn't
say anything. Nobody wants to say anything. I Meanwhile, Sandval's taking selfies
with me. I know, see if somebody likes me. I'm sitting here
with somebody. I have a friend in the cast. That was so ridiculous.
Why do you need why do you need to advocate for this guy so
much? I don't get it. Uh, because she feels bad for him
because he manipulated her and said that he wanted to unlive himself, and so
she's like worried about him and his mental health, even though he's taking selfies
with Brock and doesn't care. No, he doesn't. He literally is there
for the optics and for the show because he wants to get paid. Yeah,
that's it. That was ridiculous. And then after dinner, after the
early bird dinner, all the young kids are still wanted to go out drinks,
thirty five to forty year olds. Yeah, they all want to go
out for drinks afterwards, So they go do that, and then Sandoval asks
James to go and talk with him. Yet again, we have to have
another private conversation with him and James, And I mean this one was a
little bit better than the birthday party one because Sandoval wasn't as defensive, right,
and James kind of opens up about it, and he's like, dude,
you were like my big bro. I looked up to you, I
idolized you, I fucking love to you, and then you fucking betrayed me.
I'm just like, this is crange, you know. And I can
see why he feels betrayed because Tom Sandoval slept with his ex girlfriend, But
I mean, he wasn't actually with Raquel anymore, you know, he was
already moving on to Ali I think, right, I mean, but I
can still see like how that would hurt that your best friend, somebody you
think is your best friend, and your brother went on to sleep with your
ex like that's bad, like and it's something that would be so easy to
own for sure. It's not like what he did to Ariana, Like it's
to James, and James has been a piece of shit and he's moved on
from Kristen to somebody else, to somebody else to Lalla. They's cheated on
Raquel with Laala. So all you have to do is say, yeah,
that was really wrong. Yeah, you're my bro. I should not have
done that. Sorry, was overcome, Like it's super easy to own and
clear, but Tom just can't do it. He tries to do it in
this conversation. He does apologize and say I'm sorry, but he doesn't really
say what he's sorry for, right, He doesn't say what I've learned from
what I did, And he doesn't say, well, this is how I'm
gonna change my behavior, so I can promise you it never happens again.
Like, none of that kind of conversation happens. Just like, I'm sorry,
you know, and I really want to get back to being bros.
Yeah, like let's be broz again. Hopefully we can rekindle our bro ship.
Yeah, but I did like that. James also confronted him with the
whole affair, and he was like, you could have fucking broken up with
Arianna, like, yeah, things were so bad, yes, Like you
could have broken up with her and then gotten with Raquel, but you didn't.
And then Sandoval again is like, but it wasn't that easy, you
understand, thinking, oh the way she looked at me, oh the way
she talked to me. Man, it wasn't that easy. You don't get
it. So fucking stupid. I'm like, that is so dumb and such
an unmanly, like unmature, unmature, immature answer to say, like,
it is that easy. You could have just fucking told Arianna, look,
we're not having sex. You're kind of a bitch to me. I don't
want to be in this relationship with you. Let's break up amicably and then
try to untangle all of our finances and everything so that way I can go
fuck with cat all right, no matter what, that would have been the
best thing to do. But try to defend in this conversation with James why
you didn't do that, like, oh my god, please stop, just
shut your mouth. I know, and I can't believe, like in his
talking head, Sandoval's talking head he's like trying to throw Orianna under the bus.
And like we've talked about this before prior episodes, Like you said,
you've watched this whole series and you've seen how much of a bitch Ariana could
be to Sandval, and so like, yeah, maybe their relationship wasn't the
best, maybe he wasn't happy. Again, doesn't justify cheating on her with
her best friend. Walk away from the relationship. Be a big boy.
Yes, make a decision even though it hurts somebody and it hurts you,
just do it. I think he's got a cheating fetish, like if he
did this with Kristen and getting with Ariana, Like, I think he's got
to eat fetish, like he likes the thrill, because some people are like
that, they like the excitement and everything. But then get with somebody who's
kinky and then open your marriage or something or like a relationship, create a
relationship that can accommodate the things that you want to do. But can I
just qualify my comment about Ariana being a bitch? I mean, I think
I would be a bitch too if I was with Tom SAMs for really,
I mean, and the money that he's putting behind all of these fucking vanity
projects, these bands and these parties and these things that he's so extravagant like
and just who he thinks he is, Like he's a narcissist. Like I
can't imagine the emotional toil that would take on like a normal stable person to
have to cohabitate with somebody like that. Yeah. So yeah, every now
and again she's like, oh, Tom, shut up, because Tom,
you should shut up. Yeah, you know, I mean she should have
left the relationship. Obviously he should have as well. But like, I
just there's a reason Ariana was like that from time to time. Nobody knows
what happened behind closed doors, But like I get it is all I'm saying,
right, I just couldn't believe that. In this episode he still saying,
yeah, but everybody else treated me like crap. They need to acknowledge
how they treated me. Right, I'm like, oh my god, what
is wrong with you? You have to get to the place where you're okay
with nobody apologizing to you, even though they may or may not have done
something to harm you. Right, you have to get to the place where
you're you don't need that apology. You just want to hold yourself accountable to
make amends where they need to be made, and if they come back to
you some other time and say sorry, that's just gravy. That's just wonderful,
but you don't need it and you don't expect it. That's not how
apologies work, right. But you know he's doing guided meditation. Okay,
so he's really that helps you, So hope it helps you. God,
I can't wait to see that stupid guided meditation next episode. It's gonna be
so cringe. Is this how it ends with James and Thomas. That's the
last thing. Okay, Yeah, to preview for next week, which is
just a fight with Lalla because I think he starts coming for people for profiting
off of scandival. He's gonna start blaming some of these people and they're gonna
have a bad reaction to it, as one would expect. Yes, which
I'm kind of excited to see because I want some drama please, And there's
a lot of talkie talk yeah anything, I just believe. Yeah, let's
get to it, Bravo, let's get evolution. I can't believe that I
join this show, this series when everyone starts getting sober, I know,
starts getting like less shitty, right, Yeah, it would have been better
for you to pop on in earlier seasons, but I'm still holding out.
I still think it's gonna be I think it's gonna be good. I think
it will. I think we're gonna start seeing some interesting things, like again
Katie with the girlfriend who also likes Schwartz, so it's a love triangle,
like I definitely want to get to that, I know, and some of
the other things that happened with Tom and Arianna because we saw the preview where
she's shrieking about her children, Yeah, and he's like, what do you
mean children? Like, there's a lot. I hope that is still to
come. But I'm just wondering if Evolution is reading social media. Yeah,
is Evolution reading fucking reddit and the vander Pump Rules sub reddit because they're hating
the way that this season is going. Are they just four five episodes?
And yeah, they're hating it because it does feel very heavy handed, like
production is trying to make us forgive Tom Sandoval, and we just we're not
ready to, oh, especially if he's not going to demonstrate the behaviors that
we need to see in order to do it right. So like, change
it up while you still can. It's the beginning of the season. Get
your editors in and give us something more. Yeah, I was seeing some
shit on Reddit, like last week or something that they were saying that they
think that the show's being edited as we're watching it, like that some people
are noticing some of the I guess, like some of the times that the
episodes have been posted or whatever, and they're developing some conspiracy theories about the
narrative, like they had to change it last minute because Rachel decided not to
be on the show or something. But I'm like, if they are editing
the show while we're watching it, that's your next best edit it better.
Like the fucking redemption aren't make it better? Like what are we doing?
I don't get it. Well, hopefully it starts to make sense. I
mean, I'm still enjoying the show. Yeah, I enjoyed it as well.
Like I like the dynamics between the people. I think there's a lot
of Like I like all the gossip. I like how vapid all these people
are god so out of touch, so crazy living in southern California, just
injecting their lips and stuff ungrounded af except for Katie and Arianna. They're grounded.
They seem like real people who exist on our planet. First. Other
ones are just lost in the fucking Hollywood matrix. And it's great, which
is a shame because I liked Laala at first and now I'm just kind of
like, oh, you're saying that Sandoval's admirable for him being sober, Well
that's all she's got. But I mean I do like La La. I
mean I think she often is the voice of reason. But a broken clock
is right twice a day, So like, wow, I don't know.
We'll just see how things go. Yeah, we will definitely continue to watch.
Yeah, is there anything else you want to say about VPR before we
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