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Eric Kavanaugh. All Right, ladies
and gentlemen, time once again for the

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only coast to coast radio show that's
all about the information economy. It's time

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for Inside Analysis. Your truly Eric
Kavanaugh is here with several wonderful guests.

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Folks, We're going to talk about
a really interesting topic. It's been around

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for a long time. The subject's
been around for years, for decades,

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quite frankly, but it's really finally
starting to crystallize. And what that thing

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is we're going to talk about is
called web three point zero. So you've

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heard of this three point zero two
point h. Of course it's a reference

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to software and software releases. But
what is web three point Oh, we're

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gonna be talking to Stefan Durban from
Protocol Labs and also Peter Maddox from Seagate

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and another guest later on in the
show, and we want to talk about

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what this thing is and really why
it matters to you. So I've been

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in this industry for a long long
time now, and I've seen trends come

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and go, and like I say, we've heard this turn web three point

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zero. For many years now,
most of the conversations have been around semantics,

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and so people talk about the so
called semantic web, and that is

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part of the conversation. But really
distributed is the key. And if you

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think about we just talked about this
yesterday at the show, if you think

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about the whole architecture of the Internet
from the get go of our pannet,

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the whole idea was to create a
communications network that would survive any no being

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killed. Right, That was the
whole idea. Is to have some communication

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network in place that would be durable
enough to survive through some sort of travesty.

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Right, Well that was the beginning. That's a long time ago now.

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And if you look at the web, well it's I mean it's distributed

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in that you have lots of different
websites you can go to, but every

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website in a sense is a sort
of single point of failure that there is

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some redundancy involved, like cloudflare,
for example, there are different things that

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people do to enable true redundancy and
true resiliency. But nonetheless these are static

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IP addresses typically that you go to
to get a website. Well, a

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distributed web is a much different thing, and we're going to hear from Stefan

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here in a second about the storage
side of that equation. And also our

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friend from Seagate is on the call
here we'll talk about that as well.

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But if you think about a truly
distributed web, now you don't have a

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single point of failure. Now you
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we're not talking just storage, so
the first step of this process of storage,

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but we're also going to talk about
impute. We're also going to talk

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about the full staff for delivering apps
or d apps as some people call these

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things distributed apps. You know,
blockchain is out there, so people understand

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a bit more about what blockchain is. Of course, there are many different

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blockchains, is not just the one
that underpins bitcoin. It will also talk

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about file coin and what file coin
is and why it matters. So with

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that brief intro, they're bringing Stefan
from Protocol Labs tell us about about the

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genesis of this and what Protocol Labs
is doing to enable web three point out.

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Yeah, thank you, Eric.
So my name is Stefan, head

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of network Growth here at Protocol Labs. Our goal is to grow the network

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and if you look at the filecoin
network, it's really a perfect implement that

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a perfect demonstration of how to drive
utility that is, you know, enabled

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by blockchain technology. Is Eric,
you were mentioning today HDP is the preferred

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protocol of choice on how to address
and find information on the web. We've

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sort of like replace that with a
cryptographic hash. So instead of addressing data

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by an IP address, we are
actually using a cryptographic hash that is so

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secure that you can be guaranteed that
that cryptographic hash is the only hash that

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represents that particular data set that you're
looking for. And so the second part

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we've changed is that the way you
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You don't no longer need to know
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You actually connecting to this federated storage
stack, which is a decentralized network,

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where that hash will eventually pull back
the data source or the actual data copy

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that you're looking for, and so
you can pull that data back from anywhere

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anywhere in the world. So you
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will give you back the location of
where your data is actually stored. So

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that just a lot of in a
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It makes things a lot more stateless, meaning you can actually build through decentralized

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apps that are running across the globe, across multiple you know, systems that

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are owned by different entities, and
you're not really locked into a single let's

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say public cloud vendor anymore that dictates
you know which APIs and which locations that

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you can host your data sets or
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you actually have a lot more choice
because you'll have choice of thousands or eventually

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millions of systems out there that will
give you the opportunity to store your data

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set with them. And so you
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new opportunities. And thanks to the
underlying blockchain technology, what is so really

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what's so really powerful is that you
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these central large entities um to hold
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And so what we're saying is code
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so the code is so secure and
that that essentially anyone can do peer

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to peer transactions with anyone else in
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will be done safely and secure.
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a lot of other characteristics that we
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Falcon stack that go one step further, so not just um having the ability

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to transact, but also having the
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is really um in the the integrity
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so there's a couple of things we
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and its premise, right Web three
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this new wave, this new technology
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be able to do these peer to
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creates a ton more innovation than what
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Yeah, this is very interesting stuff. And if you would quickly explain file

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coin when you talk about the file
coin stack, what goes into that And

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obviously file coin is this storage network
basically, but explain what you mean when

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you say the file coin stack.
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decentralized storage stack today or network.
It's really a network of systems. Today

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we have more than four thousand systems
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are running an open source version of
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four implementations again again for redundancy.
So what it allows these storage providers,

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as we call them right to do
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network and by pledging capacity, so
storage capacity and falkowing tokens, and that

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generates this. You know, right
now we have close to fifteen petabytes,

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sorry, fifteen exabytes. Let me
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network that is fully owned, run
and run by the ecosystem rights soper Collapse

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has doesn't run any of these.
So basically they're all startups running the network

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because they're strong believers and in changing
how we store data today and then eventually

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also how we compute data today.
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it starts with the actual storage layer, but today we also allow for

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smart contracts to be run on our
act and then in the near future we

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will also have the ability to compute
data, which is basically the end goal.

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It's not just about storing all our
precious assets in a more efficient and

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federated architecture, but also the ability
to compute and monetize those assets and not

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just monetize it from the network.
Shouldn't be monetizing, and it's actually the

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users that own the data that should
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to monetize their own data sets.
So really this is also part of us

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building a world where users have more
control over their digital assets and how they

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actually monetize it. Down there,
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you know, I've been a big
fan of the open source community for twenty

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odd years now and it's spent a
lot of time researching and trying to understand

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the business models, the technologies where
things are going. And of course it's

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always somewhat lucks, but this is
very it's a very compelling storyline. And

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I remember probably five years ago at
a conference. I know it's a lot

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of the open source people were really
focused on censorship and preventing censorship, and

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it kind of gets to this whole
control point side of the equation where someone

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can just shut you down if they
don't like your content, whether it's an

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authority or it could be just someone
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one of these cloud providers that says, now, we don't like you guys.

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We've actually seen that in the last
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really interesting storyline around this approach,
right, because there is no one person

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who could come in and say no, I don't like what you're doing and

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shut you down. Right, Yeah, And that's a very good point.

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Look at what's happening on the Twitter
for example, right, it's a perfect

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example of it. Right. It's
actually gonna result into more similar platforms that

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are more customized through the audience and
so here and a decentralized network. You

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have that flexibility, you have that
option because there's no single entity, like

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you said, that controls what what
data is stored where it's actually up to

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the users and to the storage providers
to offer those kind of services and to

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get into an agreement on what data
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and where to store it. So
there's that's why this is an open marketplace

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and that's exactly what we want to
build. We want to build the options

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for not just the customers to choose
where the data is stored, but also

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for the storage providers to choose what
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offer, because there's different slas that
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Some customers will want to retrieve the
data very fast, and so for that

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we have see the end type of
solutions that are being built on top of

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foul Point. Others will just want
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large repository that is, you know, meant for storing archives for you know,

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a hundred years. So UM and
these come with different configurations. These

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come with different architectures, right,
and so that's why we're working very closely

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with you know, the Sea Gates
of the world and AMD to like optimize

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the architectures for these different tiers,
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you know, also an alliance recently, which we call the Decentralized Storage Alliance

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for that reason, so that we
could bring the web to UM companies like

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you know that are currently selling not
just storage but also services to the existing

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enterprise market, bring them together and
really collaborate on you know, defining those

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new architectures and workflows and how enterprises
could leverage right, these these new decentralized

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storage stacks, which is still very
nis in to the enterprise market. Yeah

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it is. And next step in
our next segment, we're gonna be talking

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to Peter Matos from sea Gate and
I found out in the preest show that

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Segate is now moving this project to
their go to market strategy, which is

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a huge deal. So it's been
an R and D for a period of

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time, which also is a great
sign. I mean, companies like Cgate

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don't don't spend their R and D
money willy nilly. I mean, they

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are focused on understanding what's happening in
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space, what do users want,
what do partners want, etc. A

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lot goes into those decisions, and
the fact that it's now coming out and

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as part of a go to market
strategy is a huge sign. I mean,

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that's basically the inflection point that pushes
it into the mainstream and it's very

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very interesting to me. So just
to explain our audience here, the idea

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is instead of going to Amazon or
Google or Microsoft or rack space or any

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of these providers to store your data, instead of just buying servers yourself,

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which is the old fashioned way of
storing data. Instead of doing that,

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you will rely on this decentralized storage
network to host your data. And to

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Fond's point, the next step in
this process for them, for their own

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advancement is the compute side of the
equation. So now you're talking about actually

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being able to store data to build
distributed apps, and then to point those

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apps at the storage network, just
like you would point your containers at persistent

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storage in traditional enterprise computing environments,
right to the font. Yeah, indeed,

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so perfect example our NFTs. So
one of the benefits, one of

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the major benefits of storing data in
a decentralized network where there's no central or

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no single entity that fully controls the
network, is that all data that is

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stored is immutable and it's verifiable,
meaning there's no way that you can change

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it. And so today we store
more than one hundred million NFTs for on

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filecoin for some of the major NFT
marketplaces like opense and rearable others. But

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the real benefit here is that you
know it's it's stored natively in an immutable

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way, and the second you can
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on a daily basis, the code
will actually verify with the service providers and

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storage providers if the hash right is
still consistent, and that if the hash

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would be inconsistent, you would know
that that data is no longer consistent.

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Then it's no longer the same data
that you stored. So there's built in

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checks, there's built in sticks as
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provider loses data, he gets penalized
by losing Faulhorn, So there's a whole

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ecosystem. Yeah, the algorithm is
so designed that it's sort of it's very

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strict, and it guarantees uptime,
and it guarantees a certain and integrity,

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right, data integrity, which is
so crucial when you're storing data, and

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so you can build these depths on
that. Like I was mentioning the NFTs

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right as a perfect example. You
know today we store hundred hundreds of millions

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of NFTs on foul coin. But
now with the introduction of the virtual machine,

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which is the ability to compute state
of data basically, so you can

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build intelligence and stored at on the
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your NFTs as well on foul cline. And then the second step beyond that

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is now that you have stored your
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in a distributed way as well.
So there's multiple startups and we are cells

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are building capabilities as well to enable
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foul coin. Yeah, so here, yeah, just real quick one minute

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before the break. Is there a
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seven eighty three. Welcome back to
Inside Analysis. Here's your host, Eric

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Tavanaugh. All right, folks,
back here on Inside Analysis talking all about

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web three point oh, the distributed
web, a semantic web. What does

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it all mean? Well, next
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I'm a hardware game gonna lie I
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it's fascinating how much advance is how
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hardware, managing hardware, understanding hardware. You the observability on you know,

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on how it works, how it
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And now we've got Peter Maddox on
the line from Seagates. So Peter,

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welcome to the show, Welcome to
Inside Analysis. I know you're kind

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of new to this distributed stuff,
but you're an old hat at storage.

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UM tell us a bit about what's
going on. You told me before the

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show that this wasn't R and D
now it's being moved into go to Marcus

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Strategy. I mean, as an
industry guy, you know that's a big

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deal. Right. Absolutely, Thanks
Eric, Nice, nice to be on

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your panel, and uh yeah,
excited to talk about what Gates doing in

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this space. UM. You know, we we've been around in storage for

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for over forty years now, and
UM that you can see the evolution of

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storage architectures as we go, you
know, from from UM mainframe client clients

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or a Web two and now Web
three and UM it is absolutely the case

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where Seagate has recognized the importance of
the decentralized architecture with Web three to the

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point where we are organizing around that
from a go to market perspective, and

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and you know, working closely with
UM with the DSA and UH teams like

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Stefons to to bring solutions to market
UH in this space. And it's it's

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very complementary to UM our next generation
of sea gates storage devices as well as

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our systems. I'd say kind of
the overarching theme is to try to bring

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them the benefits of the hyper scale
cost per terabyte type of metrics into this

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decentralized architecture so that smaller industry players
can benefit from those same kind of of

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cost improvements architecturally that we've traditionally placed
in them, you know, in the

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hyperscale cloud providers, and looking to
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we traditional data centers. I personally
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have been exaggerated. I think that
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around for a good long while now, in part just for accounting purposes,

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amortization things of this nature. I
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off and move on. But I
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renaissance in how data centers are used
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that. So if you think about
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certain aspects of corporate operations that I've
already moved to the cloud. You

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look at all the softwares of service
stuff. I mean Salesforce of course as

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the poster child in that game,
and they're over twenty years old and that's

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for a long freaking time now.
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as a really interesting enabling technology and
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centers. What do you think about
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at this inside of Seagate is um
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of the edge and with them,
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to peer communication. You know,
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to the traditional enterprise and UM,
I think to your point, both are

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going to exist for for a long
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is the ability to take some of
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traditional web FO dot O space and
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in the decentralized market UM. And
so I think that's that's where we start

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to get adjacencies that that are really
exciting to to build these you know,

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new opportunities for customers um that didn't
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if you're looking for for storage options
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so UM, one of the real
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the advent of of thirty terabyte plus
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capacities like that, you know,
the the the um economics of being able

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to store that that dense of uh
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a decentralized network, UM, you
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the growth of of this this space. Yeah, it's really it's really fascinating.

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talking about storage, especially for the
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is always going to be performance.
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data? For what use case will
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example? And obviously archiving is a
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data. You just have to store
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going to be time for the charts. I'm curious to know. On the

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SLA side, it's going to be
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Steffon mentioned SLA service level agreements.
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can be pretty fast though. I
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whole range of products, right that
can swear of any of those use cases.

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now for the decentralized market is using
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of the foundational think of it as
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out across you know, as many
nodes as the user would like UH to

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scale, but that individual component is
capable of UM you know, twelve gigabytes

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per second of brights and fourteen gigabytes
per second of reads UM out of one

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hundred and six drives in a single
enclosure. All of that protected at today,

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protected at five nines of availability.
That means, you know, only

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five minutes of downtime per year UM. Next next generation will be six nines

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later this year. So really excited
about you know, that is just a

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if you think of that as a
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failure, single component of that scale
at architecture, and then you know how

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resilient that looks when you when you
go to end nodes UM. It's very

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exciting. And yeah, one of
our key investments there has been in a

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um an a stick combined with our
data path firmware, which is designed um

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to really get the maximum throughput and
availability at a very low cost, so

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compared to other architectures. You know, it's a it's a very cost effective

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approach to the space. See that, that's where the geek in me comes

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out as you start talking about A
six and the data path firmware. So

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in as the first time I learned
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there are Chinese companies building these machines
that were purpose designed to mine for bitcoin,

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right, which is a very it's
a fascinating concept that I think a

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lot of people really don't understand,
including myself. But you know, being

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unwinding the cryptography to get to the
coin requires a tremendous amount of computational power,

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and so what they've done is they
purpose built these to do just that

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and only that, and it sounds
like you guys have some other things going

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on with this ASI combined with a
data prime firmware. That's great again for

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particular use cases when you want to
move vast amounts of day from one place

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to another, right exactly, exactly. Yeah, and this this particular design

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is all around UM, you know, keeping our active active architecture with with

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dual controllers in a single node,
UM shared cash where really maximizing that availability

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and uh, it's it's you know, how we are able to achieve that

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five nine and now now moving to
six nine with our next level of devices.

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how long these investments take. UM. You know, that product set is

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something that's matured over many years and
uh, you know in the in the

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traditional enterprise space and now you know, being able to apply UM this as

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a part of an ecosystem and architecture
in the decentralized storage is really exciting.

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Yeah. And you mentioned EDGE and
let's just explain to the audience what it

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may EDGE means a lot of people
now know. But of course you have

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these data centers, you have cloud
providers like Amazon and all these other guys.

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But then the edge refers to really
anything that's out there that has some

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connectivity. It could be your phone, for example, is on the edge.

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It could be some technology on an
oil rig for example, is out

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of the edge. It's anywhere out
where something is happening. And you look

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at like Amazon, they have these
big availability zones, but they're pretty big,

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and so the speed of light actually
comes into play in terms of sending

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messages all the way across and getting
messages all the way back. And what

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I think is very interesting is going
to play right into your hands in this

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particular endeavor, is that the the
edge is everywhere. The edge is all

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over the place. It's all over
the place. And the more that we

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can cater to those needs, those
business needs, the more that space is

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going to grow. And I think
you guys are like right in the center

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of that conversation, right, Yeah, absolutely, It's it's been really interesting

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to see. You know, Cegate
as a device's company is obviously in the

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cloud, but but we're also you
know, at the edge and um you

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know, being able to take advantage
of of being um you know, throughout

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that ecosystem, particularly for our systems
business has been a really good place to

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be and where we're seeing an awful
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into this this next year, UM
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deployments. And you know, as
as users want to approach security in different

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ways. I think we talked earlier
about UM, you know, wanting to

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control where their data is and UM. You know, UM you see different

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different security UM protocols out there and
and the need for businesses to be able

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to control where from a geographic perspective, you know, where their data lives.

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UM. So we see this decentralized
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kind of the traditional hyperscale ways of
controlling where your data resides and UM you

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know, I think I think the
approach we've got with systems being part of

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that architecture UM is a is a
good part of the solution. Yeah,

410
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that's very interesting. And you know, I've heard some funny stories. I

411
00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:07.359
won't mention the cloud vendor's name,
but a very very big cloud vendor.

412
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:13.200
I've heard stories about them not knowing
where stuff is and like really important stuff

413
00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:15.400
and because it's just complicated, I
mean, they've just built out racks and

414
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:20.319
racks and racks and racks of servers, and you know there's documentation for all

415
00:33:20.359 --> 00:33:23.319
that stuff, but you know,
kind of knowing where things go is a

416
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challenge. And you guys have an
interesting, I think advantage here in being

417
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able to architect this next generation solution. Could you talk quickly about like what

418
00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:38.039
kind of things can you do from
a hardware design perspective. You mentioned this

419
00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:42.559
firmware concept, but from a hardware
design perspective, what kind of things can

420
00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:50.920
you do to facilitate how you interact
with this distributed soft Storage alliance? Sure,

421
00:33:51.079 --> 00:34:00.279
so we build reference architectures working with
the DSA, the the Decentralized Storage

422
00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:08.639
Alliance UM to optimize UM. You
know, the performance characteristics specifically for file

423
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:15.119
coin UM, and you know,
building out UM a solution with our right

424
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:21.400
now, the work that's going on
is is with our core vault architecture UM

425
00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:25.719
and and there you know, you
want to optimize the specific workload for file

426
00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:31.280
coin to make sure that you're going
to get response times that are UM reliable.

427
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:36.079
And you know it's it's right now. It's all about being able to

428
00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:38.719
write down that recipe in such a
way that it's it's easy to reproduce in

429
00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:44.519
the field and UH combine you know, our back end storage with the right

430
00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:49.079
compute uh to be able to put
that overall solution together. UM. You

431
00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:55.039
know, we're looking at UM trying
to make sure that the UM particular workload

432
00:34:55.239 --> 00:35:00.119
is is optimized in that scenario.
UM. So yeah, I think that's

433
00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:05.239
that's where the focus is today in
our solutions labs. Yeah. Right,

434
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:08.400
and you talk about with the coreball, you talk about self healing high density

435
00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:12.880
data storage. Self healing is one
of these things we've of course the Oracle

436
00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:15.519
talks about with their database, and
there are things that you can do where

437
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you do these scans. I mean
Stefan even kind of mentioned that the system

438
00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:22.400
is the code of designed to do
a scan. Is everything okay? Is

439
00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:24.199
everything okay? Okay, Everything's fine? That kind of thing, And that's

440
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:27.880
kind of what you're doing in this
case too. Right, I'm guessing there's

441
00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:30.599
some sort of scan that goes is
everything the way it was? And if

442
00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:34.719
it wasn't you go through a sort
of step process dynamically to solve things.

443
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:40.960
Right. Yeah, we have a
feature called ADR autonomous drive regeneration, and

444
00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:49.159
essentially what we do is is if
a single device has any kind of head

445
00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:57.039
or surface failure that we detect on
that device. The storage controller inside the

446
00:35:57.119 --> 00:36:01.239
core ball is actually created a pool
of discs. They're part of a UM

447
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:10.400
all a backup r Yeah exactly.
UM, a pool of disc where we

448
00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:20.039
can keep a spirit capacity capability where
we can autonomously regenerate the space on that

449
00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:23.079
drive by taking a single head out
of service, UM, move that capacity

450
00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:27.639
over to the rest of the pool, then bring the rest of those services

451
00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:30.840
surfaces back online. UM. So
you might see the original device come back

452
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:37.360
at maybe ninety five of its original
capacity, and then your your pool of

453
00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:42.719
storage is automatically rebalanced over that device. All of this is transparent to the

454
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:45.239
the end application. So UM,
you don't see any interruption in service or

455
00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:50.039
change in performance while that's happening.
UM. And so at the at the

456
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:52.599
end of the day, you see, UM, you know, a small

457
00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:57.800
percentage of capacity and your original pool
is gone, but you're you know completely

458
00:36:57.800 --> 00:37:00.840
self feeling no need to pull that
I've out of the system and you know

459
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replace it. Um. It continues
as part of the rest of the pool.

460
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:08.119
So yeah, it's really an exciting
capability for us. UH. And

461
00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:12.880
as you think think about a single
device with thirty terabytes on it or more.

462
00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:15.920
Um you really need to have those
kinds of algorithms in place so that

463
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you're not dealing with expensive rebuilds across
you know, your entire infrastructure when when

464
00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:27.719
a device is replaced, so it's
becoming a really important part of the architecture.

465
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That is very very cool stuff.
It just goes to show you how

466
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you can build upon the successes of
the past and kind of learn from mistakes

467
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technologies. But that kind of self healing

468
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stuff goes down, when you lose data,

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All Right, ladies and gentlemen,

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back here on Inside Analysis talking Web
three point zero. We've talked to Stefan

524
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Vervatz of Protocol Labs and Peter Maddox
from Seagate and it's the final I'll throw

525
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it back over to you. Let's
talk about who's using this stuff right now.

526
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You said you've got four thousand instances
across forty four countries and you do

527
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have some success I think you told
me the other day in the research space

528
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for university. So who's using this
technology now and what's the plan going forward?

529
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Yeah, that's good question. So, umlast the last eight months,

530
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we've seen a tremendous uptick and just
in general customers storing data onto our network,

531
00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:55.239
and we've seen research institutes being very
um engaged there for a couple of

532
00:42:55.239 --> 00:42:59.880
reasons. One, typically in research
environments, you have a ton of data

533
00:42:59.920 --> 00:43:02.639
that you're trying to capture because you're
doing research, you're doing analytics, you're

534
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doing and so every bit that you
capture is important, and so you want

535
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to be able to preserve that over
time so that as your you know,

536
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your compute becomes more efficient and your
algorithms become better, you can actually run

537
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those algorithms again over even old data
sets and train as algorithms to maybe even

538
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:29.239
a better outcome. So in research, we've seen customers like you see Berkeley

539
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:35.639
during data that is related to dark
matter. So research researchers that are you

540
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know, actually researching dark matter,
and their feedback has been like, look,

541
00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:45.519
for us, what's important is that
every single bit we capture is crucial

542
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:47.760
and important, so we want to
be we want to be sure that the

543
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data is still you know, the
integrative data is still preserved, and so

544
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that's exactly what our solution does.
Plus, their budgets are also slashed in

545
00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:00.360
a lot of cases, or you
know, they would like to spend as

546
00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:06.000
much of their budget towards the compute
side so they can spend more time on

547
00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:10.519
finding insights or finding discoveries. And
so the storage aspect sometimes you know,

548
00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:14.920
it's sort of left behind, and
that's where we come in. And so

549
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:20.559
we're seeing University of Utah, UC
Berkeley, we have some we have at

550
00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:25.920
last dotcern, which is the large
um cern M. Yeah, they're they're

551
00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:31.800
storing archives on UM on fal point
as well, and so you know,

552
00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:36.599
these are just on the web two
side. We have also public data sets

553
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:40.840
like NYC this New York City storing
from their public data sets on the falcoin

554
00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:45.639
and others. And then we have
on the web three side, we have

555
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a ton of UM startups that are
being built right now. We have more

556
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:53.400
than five hundred startups being built on
title fal point that are in some level

557
00:44:53.440 --> 00:45:00.280
of investment or funding stage UM.
And so we article apps, we end

558
00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:07.000
foul Con Foundation, we invest a
ton of resources in helping entrepreneurs build new

559
00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:10.159
billion dollar businesses, as we say
here at bl right on top of falc

560
00:45:10.159 --> 00:45:15.639
poin and we have anything that you
can imagine of, like you know,

561
00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:20.119
we have an alternative for Spotify,
for YouTube, for um, you know,

562
00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:22.400
pretty much any app that you know
of today. I mean there's even

563
00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:27.599
apps that are replacing Uber. So
it is being built right now. And

564
00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:34.440
so we are investing heavily in enabling
that pipeline of startups right that are built

565
00:45:34.559 --> 00:45:37.480
that are built on top of foul
coin. And at the same time we're

566
00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:40.880
also reaching out to the web to
community to like you know, bridge and

567
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sort of like help them bring those
large archives, those large data sets onto

568
00:45:46.360 --> 00:45:52.079
the Falcoin network. And then you
know, we have NFT marketplaces and that

569
00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:54.599
are very specific, you know,
around a n FT eco system. But

570
00:45:55.039 --> 00:45:59.760
u yeah, a ton of use
cases are coming up, and then what

571
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:02.119
where do we go next? Right, that's a good question. So a

572
00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:05.840
lot of our road up, as
we discussed in the previous section, is

573
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focused on enabling users to actually compute
the data. And the second part is

574
00:46:12.039 --> 00:46:15.920
also enabling what we would call like
you know, the smart contract capability,

575
00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:24.480
which allows for data dows, which
are these autonomous organizations that organize and operating

576
00:46:24.559 --> 00:46:29.840
govern a set of data assets.
Right, so now you can sort of

577
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:36.000
like pull your funds together as a
community. So basically, let's say you

578
00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:39.239
want to rally the community around a
certain data sets that you want to be

579
00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:44.360
that you want to preserve. Then
you know, the community could rally around

580
00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:47.119
that, they could fund that,
and that could become its own data dow.

581
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:52.639
And so there's a lot more newer
structures that can be built on a

582
00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:57.599
decentralized net that you cannot built on
Lepto. So very excited about that because

583
00:46:57.639 --> 00:47:04.000
that's opening up a ton more opportunity
where the community can actually fund, you

584
00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:07.519
know, an initiative that they're they're
behind. Yeah, that's interesting. And

585
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:10.360
you said you provide grants to like
five k up two hundred thousand dollars grants

586
00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:15.960
for people to get I'm presuming here
to build d apps on top of file

587
00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:19.360
ConA zum Right, Yeah, that's
right. Yeah, So go to the

588
00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:25.039
filecon website look for grants and you'll
actually see that we had that five thousand

589
00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:29.960
dollar grants up to one hundred thousands, kind of depends on what stage.

590
00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:35.239
We run up to thirty hecatons a
quarter. So if you want to participate

591
00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:39.679
and build, please join us at
any of the conferences. Typically we'll follow

592
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:45.920
the Theorem conferences because we work very
closely with that ecosystem and the type of

593
00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:49.320
developers. I mean, there's only
a certain amount of pool of developers out

594
00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:54.280
there, and so we travel at
this to the same conferences, and so

595
00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:57.719
you know, even if you come
to one of our conferences, you're probably

596
00:47:57.719 --> 00:48:01.000
going to meet the whole ecosystem anyway. So you know, we provide accel,

597
00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:07.159
we provide hecatons where we provide prizes
but also we follow up with grants

598
00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:09.840
for those that we feel like have
a lot of potential, and then we

599
00:48:09.880 --> 00:48:15.920
have accelerated programs where you can actually
file for specific a salary program. For

600
00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:19.280
example, we have one with tech
Stars, we have run with Outline of

601
00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:24.079
Ventures, and there we also fund
We help these startups by raising funds,

602
00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:29.960
you know, so we really we
really help these entrepreneurs to build their business

603
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:32.239
on top of our stack. Yeah, that's very cool and real quick the

604
00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:37.119
blockchain do you sit on top of
ethereum or does it matter which blockchain?

605
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:43.000
No, it's cool is that today
so Falcone is a layer zero and now

606
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:45.920
also a layer one. What I
mean by that is that Falcone actually now

607
00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:52.519
has a virtual machine that is equivalent
to the Etherorem virtual machine, so we

608
00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:55.960
call it the Falcone Virtual Machine is
called FEM. But our first implementation is

609
00:48:57.079 --> 00:49:01.320
an Etherorem implementation, which means that
you can for your theorem apps onto falcin

610
00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:07.599
uh and it's it's transparent so that
um you can out you know, stort

611
00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:09.480
your story, your data and you
can also run your apps on top of

612
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um our falcoin EVMIG. So yeah, yeah, that's very cool. And

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we only have a couple of minutes. Slap to y'all, bring Peter back

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into the conversation. UM, this
is very exciting stuff. I mean,

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we're talking about a whole new way
of doing things where you don't have the

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single point of failure, and I
think the cost is going to be less

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than what you would pay going to
you know, Google or Amazon or some

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of these other guys. What advice
do you have, Peter for companies looking

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to innovate who are trying to learn
more about this. What are your thoughts

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on the trajectory of this whole concept. Yeah, I think you know,

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steponse point about the community is right
on. I think there's there's so many

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UH conferences to engage and UM.
You know, I've um as Cgate has

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been part of this DSA, we
see more and more enterprises, UM,

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you know coming and be being part
of the partnership. And you know,

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I think, UM to keep looking
UM through through the ecosystem UM of partners

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You're going to see solutions starting to
be published, UM, you know,

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I know and seagate. You know, you'll see several white papers and reference

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architectures coming out this year that are
specifically in this this space. UM.

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And you know, I'm here right
now at that the SPA conference WEB three

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conference here in Vegas this week,
and so there's there's definitely an active community

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of enterprises that are UM you know, collaborating to build these solutions together.

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So you know, I would say
just just stay tuned to that community for

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UM you know, new solutions being
published. But I think that the goal,

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I think overall is to make this
very turnkey and easy to deploy UM

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with without having to go do your
own research and figure out how to you

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know, tune and optimize the solution. We're really looking to be able to

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make it easy to uh to build
this UM you know, scale out arch

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sexture. Yeah, that's very very
cool. It's got about a minute and

639
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twenty seconds left. The final throwback
ever, to you cost any any metrics

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you can throw out there about what
it costs to store versus what it costs

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a traditional storage raised and so forth, anything you could share UM. Yeah,

642
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I think right right now the storing
data and fulcorn is pretty much free

643
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UM and it's because it's been subsidized
by the token UM. And so what

644
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you'll see is that multiple storage providers
will provide a data to be stored for

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free for the next year and a
half or sometimes longer, and then they'll

646
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start charging to store that data.
But it's it's you know, still yeah,

647
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so much less expensive just because it's
been subsidized with the token. And

648
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then second, also our storage providers
are looking for new customers and we're taking

649
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sort of a similar approach where the
cloud providers, you know, initially have

650
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handed up credits, right, sort
of like take the same idea here basically,

651
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right, but it's the credits are
actually used to fund the hardware architectures

652
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to run and operate a fialkcoining system. So yeah, lots of opportunity.

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accelerated programs on how to become a storage

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provider as well. So if you're
the ideal company would be someone who has

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customers, who's currently a service provider, wants to get into a three because

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lines are buried sufficiently deep in the
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work getting rid of waste. A
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built your home will probably provide the
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of the work, you'll still need
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of the toilet, one good option
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Burrito Valley, NBC News Radio.
I'm Chris Garagio. At least three people

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are dead and others are injured after
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erupted Sunday morning in a parking lot, leaving eight people shot. Three victims

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were found dead at the scene.
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to have been non life threatening injuries. Police say preliminary evidence indicates there was

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a large gathering of people on the
parking lot when the shooting broke out.

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No arrests were immediately announced. Some
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suspected tornado hit the central part of
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in multiple counties Sunday, with storms, damaging winds and hail, all possible

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into the night. Residents have been
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Thousands of customers were without power statewide. Video circulating online showed the twister

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touching down and damaging homes near Greenwood, a town just south of Indianapolis.

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So far, no injuries had