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This is pod Populi Podcast for the
People, the Great Love Debate. It's

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the Great Love Debate, the Great
Love Debate. It's a Great Love Debate.

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Hi again, Everyone's Brian Howie.
Welcome to the Great Love Debate,

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the world's number one Dating in a
Relationship podcast. It's two thousand and fifteen.

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I am here in the very fine
studios of pod Populi Podcast for the

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People. I am back at the
one in Scottsdale, Arizona, the full

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scots Dazzle, and I've been teasing
this UM episode for about three weeks.

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Why am I recording this in Scottsdale. Scottsdale, as I have mentioned several

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times, is the number two place
for bachelorette parties, and at any giving

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time, there are about fifty UM
trolley's party buses, limos and just gaggles

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of drunk chicks with bad veils and
penis straws and matching T shirts and all

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that shit talking about their bachelorette party. It's number two behind Nashville. We'll

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get into that shortly. Vegas isn't
number one anymore for bachelorette parties and bachelor

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parties. A lot come here to
the valley of the sun because they want

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to golf and then do some bad
things, and there's some quality adult entertainment

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here in here. So I asked
you guys, starting about three weeks ago,

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I wanted you guys to send me
some of your bachelor and bachelorette stories,

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experiences, horrors, all of that
kind of stuff. Two of you.

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We got over seven hundred things,
so we've been sifting through them.

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Two of you said ones where people
died, and I'm not gonna use those.

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I feel like one of those was
a plot of a movie somewhere,

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but two people just like, yeah, and then somebody died. I don't

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I'm going to leave those for another
day. Um. I want to get

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into ones that are sort of interesting
and ones I have some comments on.

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But I have not been the bachelor, as you guys know. I've never

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I mean, is weird you're a
bachelor party. I've never been engaged,

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you're married to gotten that far.
I haven't gone to as many bachelor parties

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as I used to because I like
to say, Um, I like to

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earn my nudity, and I feel
like it comes a little too cheap and

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easy. I want to I want
to earn it. I want you to

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take your clothes off because you liked
me, and so I haven't. I

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haven't done many, but I'm going
to get to my personal story. But

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I brought in some pros here,
not bachelor and bachelorette parties, but pros

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in terms of podcasting. And they
know this. They've both been on this

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before. He is the host of
the very very popular Secrets of a Sugar

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Daddy podcast. The Esteemed Marcus Damn
glad to be here and reformed sugar Baby.

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Yes, sugar Baby Emeritus. Amy's
back in the house. How are

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you good? Great? What do
you think it is about Scottsdale that incur

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that makes this such a bachelorette haven? When did it become this? Because

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I've been here as long as you
have to do, markets would know this

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well. I've definitely noticed it right
just right here where we record. Yeah,

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sometimes we'll go out for a lunch
or breakfast or you know, snacks

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after the podcast, and there's girls
in pink hats, pink shirts riding these

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bikes that you pedal around town and
get completely wasted. It looks like a

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lot of fun. It is.
We're right in the heart of old town.

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Scottsdale here and it is disproportionately until
about nine pm, it's like ninety

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percent women here. Yeah, it's
very groups of women. The guys are

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I don't know what the guys are
doing, golf and gambling, sleeping,

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napping. Later at night they go
out. But it is the strangest thing.

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You see these wine bars packed with
women. You know, it's one

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of the reasons we really enjoy recording
in old Dallas. Got there really are

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as packs of women now. I
mentioned this on the last podcast of the

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podcast before. About fifteen years ago, I shot a pilot for VH one.

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It was called Last Night and um
it was about bachelotte, bachelom bachette

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parties and the thing that we noticed. We got tons of submissions and we

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shot a bunch of footage or whatever. The men who attended the bachelor parties

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wanted to do bad things. The
women wanted the bride to do bad things.

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There was a real like we're gonna
fuck her over in some way,

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or we're gonna make an experience for
her. It was a real kind of

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ye, it's her randomy sort of
situation where we're gonna push the other guys

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didn't even care if the groom came. They care if he was there.

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They're like, this is our thing
and we're just gonna have fun or whatever.

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It was a real interesting dynamic on
that. But you know, people

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still go to Vegas for it,
Miami's a big spot for it. New

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York, you know, there's these
like let's go shoot guns and go to

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Wyoming kind of things now, which
doesn't seem that fun really. Yeah,

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there's a lot going on in the
in the world, reik Vik. Iceland

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was a very big at least when
I lived in New York, because it's

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only three and a half hours to
Iceland, and the Icelandic women love American

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men and they're beautiful. Yes,
yes, So there was a lot of

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that. So we picked six of
your stories that we are going to read

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comment on them. And so these
six, some of them represent a lot

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of ones were similar to these,
but we picked the goales and we're going

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to comment and perhaps give advice and
perhaps see if they dodged a bullet or

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not. You ready, yes,
here we go, all right. Yeah,

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I'm really looking forward to these because
I didn't attend a bachelor party.

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But it's been a few years it
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interesting to think that that's not the
number one spot anymore. But I was

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not expecting that. I really thought
that was going to be. Now people

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go to everybody's like, oh,
Vegas is cliche. There's still a lot

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of people go, so they try
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bad things happen. Anyway, Well, let's hear this all right. First

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one, this is from Brooke,
and she said a v our Facebook page.

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First of all, I am twenty
six and have been to about two

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dozen bachelorette parties in the last eighteen
month, washing girls enough, not with

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the parties, but with all the
marriages settled down about settling down anyway.

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The last one I went to,
one of the bride'smaids told the bride that

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she had had sex with the fiance
many times before they started dating, and

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asked if she still had and asked
the bride if he still had issues getting

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it up. It was totally meant
as a dig towards her. And I'm

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not sure why it matters what this
guy did before they started dating, but

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it's fun into a whole thing where
she got on the phone drunk at three

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am and started screaming, how many
of my friends have you fucked? Over

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and over? The wedding is still
on, but it has been postponed.

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Maybe we should have bachelorette parties after
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famous last words. O God,
I'm really curious on how this subject even

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came on I because that's kind of
thing I think she thought, like,

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you know, you should know about
me and Doug, Like why bring that

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up on the part There was an
episode of The Sopranos that that happened.

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Um, the one who Vesuvio is
the wife I no one in real life,

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Catherine R. Ducci whatever her Artie's
wife. And she told Carmela,

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like, you know, me and
Tony used to date back in high school

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and there was no reason they'd known
each other long time. And she was

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really bothered by it. She's bothered
by the information and whatever. So one

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of the bride'smaids tells the bride,
hey, back in the day, I

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mean your husband, I mean,
should that call out? That's not his

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fault. Why it was a lack
of discretion on that one, right,

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but why does she get mad at
the guy? She's probably it was before

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that it was like he cheated on
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back in the day, it's one
of your friends. I mean, maybe

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she has so I feel maybe she
has some insecurities. I don't care.

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And the problem is you start visualizing
them too together and you can't get that

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out of your head right, and
it's gonna be like you're gonna be at

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the at the Deists. Yeah.
Yeah, I've always been because I'm one

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of those jackasses. If I go
to a wedding and I had dated the

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bride, I'm one of those people
elbowing people. I Yet, I definitely

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had that back. I don't like
that feeling. I don't. I don't

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like that. I don't know if
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Clearly there's a little bit of like
twisted. This is the moment I'm saving

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this information for. Yeah, she
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kick her. Well, the Bachelor, the part about not getting having trouble

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getting it up a dig at the
guy. Now, she should have said,

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no, he has does have a
problem with me, like they should

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have fight it unless he does he
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hite a nerve. Oh yeah,
I don't know what he did wrong here.

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I mean, that's he's just like, this is like a drive buy

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on him. That's not his fault. Well, you know, I think

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at the same time, he probably
should have disclosed that in the beginning of

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the relationship that they were, oh
you know, I went out with your

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friend. Yeah, I mean,
obviously they're had That is a deal breaker

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though for a lot of girls,
they won't go down that road. And

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he was probably like, listen,
I like you and I that's I don't

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want to say that. It's not
he's not lying to her. He just

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didn't volunteer that information, and clearly
neither did her friend. Yeah, but

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then you get up to this point
and look at what happened, you know

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what what I mean. So if
a girl that can't accept that, and

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it's like, okay, well I
get it. I mean, should you

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even really be with that person anyways? Who's not understanding? Don't you want

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to be with somebody who's not going
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So now, the thing is,
the wedding is still on, but it

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is postponed once the kid road probably
not I'm not sure that one. I

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wish them all the best of us. What I would say to her,

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what I would say to her is
I think that you know it was in

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the past, Like I think your
friend definitely was not a very good friend

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by doing that. I mean she
obviously, like you said, what's holding

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on to that information for the right
moment? And so that was it.

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But I really want enough date on
this one. Yeah, I do do.

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Yeah, it would probster Brook.
She's twenty six and she's been to

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two dozen bachelorette parties. There's a
little bit of competitive marrying at that age.

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It's really expensive to the to be
in a wedding. When you're a

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girl in your twenties, you have
to go to all the ship you gotta

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you know, and the brides always
say you can wear that you shave bridesmaid's

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gown again, and then have to
buy all that. It's a really big

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expense for I don't know. Maybe
they're saving on a future divorce. I

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guess that's how I see it.
I don't even know if you postponed,

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how you explain why? Yeah,
Oh my gosh, what is that going

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on? You know? None of
this, my friend, none of this

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is staying out. I'm sorry,
honey, that really sucks. But you're

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not creative Brooks, stay above the
frag. Yeah, and it's definitely not

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his fault. So yeah, it's
not his fault. No, it's not.

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I don't you know. He should
he should have came clean in the

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very beginning. But that's that should
be something that they should come together and

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talk about and be like, oh, he should have like, oh,

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yeah I did. I didn't really
count it because I couldn't get it up.

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Then that could be it. That
could very well be yeah I count

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it. Yeah. Yeah. So
and does it say in there was it

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just a one night stand or they
actually dated um or they hooked up?

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What she had sex with her fiance
many times before they started dames. Yeah,

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so maybe he was using the friend
to get to her. Maybe,

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I know. Yeah, I don't
know. I just feel bad for the

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guy. But part of me is
like, you dodged a bullet. You

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have a really insecure fiance that you
proposed to it. I agree. So

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yeah, all right on to the
next This is from Victor in the OC.

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I went to a bachelor party in
like Tahoe, which is a very

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underrated spot. Golf, casinos,
bars, tons of hot girls. It

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was my buddy Dave's bachelor party.
He had his uncle along mostly to drive

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and to make sure nothing got out
of And anyway, long story short,

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his uncle, unbeknownst to us,
was drinking all night and drove the minivan

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carrying all eleven of us into Lake
Tahoe, like right off the road and

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into the water. The minivan sunk
like a stone. It was absolutely freezing.

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This was in March. I'm sure
there is some symbolism there because for

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some reason the wedding got called off
and they broke up. They should have

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gone to Vegas instead. Yea wow, I love that story. That is

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great. The drunk uncle, and
he was the one that was supposed to

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be the yeah yeah done. I
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It was it was said in Vegas. But the brother of the groom,

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who was in charge of all the
activities, he was very scared of Vegas.

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So he planned all of these activities
like we're gonna go to Lake Mead

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and we're gonna go Hoover Damn,
and we're gonna go like Vegas is full

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of nature, and this whole three
day weekend or forty weekend like everybody's like,

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can we get through this bullshit?
I tend going strip please, And

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it was only so long he could
he could sort of keep the walls out

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from us going there, and then
the last night like people just went crazy.

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Oh wow. Yeah. Yeah.
But so the symbolism of if your

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bachelor party minivan sinks in a frozen
like Tahoe, the marriages, that's I

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don't I don't know if done with
it. Yeah that's not good. Yeah,

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no, I agree with that one. Maybe this last couple of ships

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take no of this. So that's
too called off so far that a lot

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can go wrong. Yeah, so
that you you nodded in a with approval

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of like Tahoe, Like Tahoe is
awesome. It is. Yeah, we

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went on a guy's golf trip there
and it felt like a bachelor party.

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The first time you see like Tahoe, you're just like, no, I'm

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really excited. It's awesome. I
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the minivans for the bat All right. Yeah. Have you ever been a

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bar cart girl? Yes, she
has at my country club. Got her

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the job. That's a good job. I was a Crown Royal girl in

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Wyoming. I was I've done a
lot of different things, but the Barcard

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girls a good job. You're like
a hero. Why did you hate it?

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Because I don't. I they look
at you just like a piece of

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meat, and I was much smarter
than that. So it was I know,

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but it was not stimulating sph.
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of people were in Scottsdale. A
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how dehydrated they're going to get.
Absolutely so they continue to drink more,

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yes, alcohol, which makes it
even worse. I know that they start

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like you see their skin just like
flaking off because they're just the iv the

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Oh my gosh. I know.
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next one, hopefully we can get
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We were in Austin for my college
roommates bachelor party. Every guy in

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the wedding party except for me,
was married, and they acted like they

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had been in prisoned for years.
They couldn't wait to get out and get

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after it. We ran into a
bachelorette party and decided to hang with them

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because they were super fun and all
very cute. But about one am,

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I see my friend Paul talking to
the bride to be really intensely for over

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an hour. He looked like he
was grilling her uncomfortably. So I went

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over to see what was up,
and he was saying, over and over,

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just call him now, just do
it now. So she calls her

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fiance and says she just found out
that she has more of life to live

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in that marriage probably isn't for her. She calls the whole thing off right

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there, five feet away from a
mechanical bull, got off the ride,

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so to speak. I said,
Paul, what the fuck did you say

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to her? And he said the
truth. It does suck anyway. Anyway,

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I just got an invite to him
and his wife's tenth anniversary party.

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I'm not sure what to make for
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would share and see what you think. That's from Peter from Chicago. So

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he talked somebody else out of getting
married. He's been married ten years and

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he's doing a fake celebration. More
gosh, yikes, yikes. That's a

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horrible husband. That's a horrible husband. She let some stranger talk her out

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of getting married in a bar at
one o'clock in the morning. She probably

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was already questioning it. It sounds
like it sounds like they got into a

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deep discussion and he saw so many
red flags. He's like, what are

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you doing? Things that her friends
might not have told her, because her

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friends were probably if they saw,
they're like, go ahead and marry that.

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How old were they does it say? It doesn't say how old they

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were. Okay, I'm gonna marry
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in their thirties at least. I
know I was talking marriage to somebody.

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She actually was a sugar baby,
but end up turning into a real relationship

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and we started talking marriage. All
my friends are looking at this going,

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dude, you got to run from
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I'm so close to the situation.
I was like, oh I'm making excuses.

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Yeah, oh I had. That
happened to a friend of mine once.

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He had to have the conversation with
one of his good friends. He's

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like, you cannot marry her,
like and he's like, I love her,

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man, what do you want to
exactly right, It's like you're too

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you're too far into it. And
that's the thing. Her friends probably thought

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it was a bad idea with this
guy, and they're like they're like go

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ahead have it, because they're not
totally rooting for there for her happiness until

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their own happiness has worked out.
Women tend to do that, Yes,

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very cat. It's like one I
know, they're like, you're gonna make

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an awesome and what are you doing? Yeah, exactly, I want him.

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Yeah, there's always someone. There's
always going on. All Right,

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I gotta take a quick break.
We're at halftime here of the Bachelor and

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Bachelorette Spectacular and with Marcus and Amy
from Secrets of His Sugar Daddy, and

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we will be back right after this. All right, we are back onward.

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This is from p K via our
Facebook page, PK. I hate

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the whole penis straw and stupid matching
shirt thing. It's so dumb and rating

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and I don't know why we do
it, but anyway, we did it

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the weekend before my friend Patty's wedding, which was a huge wedding, had

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a really nice venue in DC,
like four hundred people. Anyway, ladies,

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make sure you put a little time
between the shenanigans and the festivities,

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because my friend the bride got so
wasted that she not only threw up in

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my other friend's hair, she fell
down getting out of the limo, broke

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her nose, her wrist and her
orbital bone, and no amount of hair

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and makeup was going to cover that
shit. And her parents made her go

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through with the ceremony as schedule because
they had a lot of money investigated and

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I think to teach her a lesson. She was still bleeding a little out

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of one nostril walking down the aisle. This was four months ago, and

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her space is still a little crooked
from it. I haven't seen the wedding

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picks yet, but no amount of
photoshop is going to fix that. Gosh,

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it's the hangover that happened to my
sister, my younger sister, not

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at a wedding prom night her senior
year. She light got drunk and broke

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something and she had a good graduation
like two days later, and all the

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pictures were all fucked up. But
the parents, I mean, what are

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you supposed to do, Like,
if you have it too close and something,

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you gotta go through the wedding.
You can't. Yeah, I don't

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person. Wedding is a big deposit, that's huge. Yea, yeah,

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I know. W oh man,
Yeah, you can't get too you have

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to be careful, be careful out
there, and that was just falling out

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of the limo. Yeah, she
tripped and fell, broke her nose,

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her wrist in her orbital bone.
Lord, she fell on her face.

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Well, I wonder how big her
dress was there? Was it really because

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she was really hung out, like
still drunk or no, this wasn't.

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She didn't fall at the west at
the bachelorette park, so there wasn't enough

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room to bounce back from whatever.
Like these other ones sounded like they had

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enough distance to break up and call
it off. You're a week out.

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My cousin Mark, he passed out
on the altar during his wedding because he

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was so hungover and dehydrated from the
rehearsal dinner. Wow, they didn't make

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it very long. They didn't let
they That was like a bad omen.

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It's like pronouncer, we had to
stop the whole thing. We're sitting there

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in the church in New Orleans like
waiting for him to feel better, and

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he kind of killed the mood for
her. I think the more all these

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stories is if there's a bad omen, listen to it seriously, there really

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are, Like they all have signs
and nobody's listening to it, like that's

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a big one. I wonder how
long. Yeah there, it's going to

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be a very ugly wedding, is
what are ugly? Divorce? Is what

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that one's going to be? Yeah, yeah, out um. One of

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my sisters had a had a giant
wedding with like million people, cost a

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fortune. About a year later,
my younger sister had a wedding that was

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just kind of casual, modest and
that was just her choice. People at

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the wedding who went to both weddings, you could hear them whispering that my

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dad ran out of money in between. They're like they blew all the money

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on the first one. It was
really just a different person. Well,

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hopefully you're really caddy and gossipy in
the whole time. We're not here to

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celebrate, we're here, we're here
to judge. Well, I used to

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be a wedding photographer when I was
in my early twenties. To the pictures

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off and hope he got the shot. But it's exactly rights so stressful.

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It is very stressful. And so
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wedding and it was in a country, little small country town, and he

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didn't want any part of this,
like he was ready to get it done

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and get it over with. It
was a big wedding. Yeah, so

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I go down, I take the
picture of the of the bride coming down

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the aisle, already taking it of
all the the groomsmen and you know,

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the bridesmaids. So then I go
up to the balcony to get some balcony

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shots. They're saying I do and
walking out. I didn't even have time

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to go back down, and it
was so fat I'm telling you, within

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five or ten minutes, that wedding
was over and they were all laughed about

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it because that's exactly what he wanted. He didn't not want. I brought

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that up there the day that the
stress that a photographer to wonder if you

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got the shot. Yeah, now
it's just digital and you click him any

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picking. Yeah, this was back
in the eighties and early nineties, but

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he didn't have digital photo. Matt
Yike makeshift dark room all right. Next

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one, this is from Richard in
Newton, Massachusetts. Two years ago.

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My sister got engaged to a guy
I had never met before. So he

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calls me and introduces himself and not
only asked me to be in his wedding

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party. He asked me if I
want to come to his bachelor party.

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He was so polite, so thoughtful, so well mannered, and says it

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would be a Chipriani in New York, nice restaurant, more like of a

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big expensive dinner than a Vegas debauchery. I'm based in Boston, so I

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said sure, and I took the
train down. They're about twelve guys there.

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It's a little boring, but great
food. Anyway, everyone goes around

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the table to give a toast and
a little talk. Long story short,

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his best man stands up and says, not only is this the best friend

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he has ever had, but he
gives the best blowjob is I thought I

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was being punked and to each their
own, but everybody toasted it and sort

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of carried on. I was like, wait what. I asked the guy

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next to me, who went to
college with them and was a fraternity brother,

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if that was code for something else, and he said, no,

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that is exactly what it is.
That the two guys have been hooking up

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with each other for years as sort
of a goof and a game, but

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they aren't gay. He was very
specific about that last part. Well,

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I have lots of goofs and games
with my friends. But all I could

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think of was does my sister now
anyway? They had a great wedding and

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seem happy. I never said anything
live and let live. My dad would

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absolutely die if he knew. But
maybe he knows too modern love. Oh

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my gosh, good brother, because
you know they're still hooking up. Maybe

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everybody Now, I think you always
have to assume everybody knows. I don't.

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I don't know. I don't know, Like, yeah, to each

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their owne. That took a turn
that I wouldn't know. I mean,

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that's something you would say in jest. But yeah, no, apparently it's

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a real dual. Right, Oh
my gosh, that's awesome though, I

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mean, these are good. These
are really good. That's a great one.

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Have you been in a wedding?
I was in a my aforementioned sister's

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weddings. I was asked to be
in both of them. I've too,

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but both are both of them.
I was in their weddings. I didn't

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know the guys at all, and
I had to be in the wedding with

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all these weirdos, right, you
know, And my my sister comes to

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me and she goes, don't hook
up with any of my friends. It's

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the bride's maid to be embarrassing,
and you're that was like a challenge to

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me. I definitely with one of
your friends. But yeah, it was

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weird being I didn't go the bachelor
party because I always think it's weird,

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Like was my dad there. Yeah, there's always a weird it is thing.

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And you know some people or you
have a group of like these are

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the college friends, and these are
the work friends and these yeah every clickie,

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yeah, yeah, you know,
it's a strange thing. I don't

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know my brother's wedding. I don't
really want to like talk bad about it

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because I don't know if they would
ever listen to this. But you know,

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like my sister in law, it
was kind of the same thing.

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It was like we didn't really know
her, and then the horror of when

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they actually were up at the altar, the stories that were told and it

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was like, oh my god,
I can't believe you're doing this. And

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I mean her friends, boy,
the stories that were told at the bachelor

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at party, at the wedding,
at the wedding, at the wedding or

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her uncle was giving like was the
minister or the preacher that was like,

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you know, marrying them, and
he was talking about how manipulative she was

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as a child, and I was, and my sister and I like turned

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and looked at each other and were
like, Oh, my fucking god,

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what didn't her brother just walking to
and and that's all the story. Some

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uncomfortable vows sometimes or toasts where people
aren't the toast most eloquent, or they're

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nervous, or they just didn't think
the repercussions of what they're saying through.

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You know, Yeah, it was
weird, is weird, but that one's

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really That one's I think that one's
pretty cool. I don't know, but

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two guys like watching two guys get
it on. That's kind of one of

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my fantasies. Well, you got
to listen to our podcast to know the

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mind of am Yeah, all right, okay, this is another one from

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our Facebook page from Rachel. Okay. I won't give her name, but

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I know she listens to this show
and she knows who she is because she's

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the only one I know who has
had sex with two random guys during her

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batchelorunt weekend. Oh. This was
in Miami. One guy was actually in

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the party bus and the second guy
was in our hotel. Neither guy was

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cute, and she didn't seem that
drunk. Three months later, at the

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wedding reception, she gets on the
mic and tells this long story about how

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she knew her husband was the one. I guess except for these two.

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The ease with which it all went
down, she didn't seem that drunk,

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made me think there are a whole
lot of ones to come anyway, mozeltofa,

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Yeah, she's one more. There
were two more. Yeah, I

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think the I think is bad.
One to two is worse. It could

406
00:27:07.880 --> 00:27:11.480
have been, like you know,
she just I don't know. It could

407
00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:14.079
have been one of those things where
she maybe was like, Hey, I'm

408
00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:15.920
going to be having sex with this
person for the rest of my life.

409
00:27:17.079 --> 00:27:18.319
Yeah, that's why you say.
Yes, I guess that I know.

410
00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:22.279
But you know, maybe she thought
that one of them would be good enough

411
00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:25.240
and they would like convince her to
not go through with it. Maybe she

412
00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:26.079
didn't want to go through with it. I don't know, why would you.

413
00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:30.079
Or maybe the first one on the
bus was no good and she really

414
00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:33.519
needed one last good could be to
send her into the world, or she's

415
00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:37.480
an infamedia can that should probably come
up in the vows too. Yeah,

416
00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:41.559
like I think he needs to know
that. Yeah, oh man, he

417
00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:45.680
could just really suck in bed.
I don't know. Well, then again,

418
00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:48.599
I don't think two randoms is different. Oh but then we get well,

419
00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:52.319
this is a conversation for later year, and you do listen to the

420
00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:53.240
show apparently, so thank you for
listening, and you know who you are.

421
00:27:55.880 --> 00:27:57.319
You should write us in and tell
us what. Yeah, like having

422
00:27:57.559 --> 00:28:00.119
sex with the guy in the party
bus, that would be like, oh

423
00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:02.039
my god, but then she did
it again and bringing a guy to the

424
00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:04.640
hotel like that takes some thought.
Yeah, well, I mean this is

425
00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:11.119
the final time before she gets married, So would you want to know,

426
00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:15.200
like, go have fun, don't
tell me what happens. I well,

427
00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:18.559
I'm very much an open like you. I really get turned on by that

428
00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:26.960
stuff. So as a different mind
what you did? Oh absolutely, I

429
00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:30.920
love that ship like it really does
turn me on like it is it is.

430
00:28:30.400 --> 00:28:33.160
In fact, that's why I'm single
now. Istis he flat out did

431
00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:36.720
not tell me and he didn't mind
that he did it. You wanted to

432
00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:40.519
know about it? Yeah, So
it's no secrets like that's the rule.

433
00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:44.160
Like that seems fair. Yeah,
just be honest about it. Yeah,

434
00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:48.440
because I've like, i mean,
where was my invitation. I'm in an

435
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:52.200
open relationship now and we're kind of
very open about other people we see.

436
00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:55.799
But if I ask her hand for
marriage and we're getting married, yeah,

437
00:28:55.880 --> 00:28:59.799
that's different. Yeah, it's that
just changes everything. Yeah, it's a

438
00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:06.319
thing if you are I think it
allows more people to cover. And what

439
00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:08.720
do you need the marriage for.
Well, I think, well love.

440
00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:12.200
I think you can really feel love
for somebody, um, you know,

441
00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:15.839
like it would be like a best
friend. I guess, Like I don't

442
00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:18.400
know, a lot of people think
marriage is a huge thing and you need

443
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:21.079
eight people to do the job.
You have a lot of different roles and

444
00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:22.880
I need this guy's a good dad
and I get that, But that's down

445
00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:26.920
the road, right. This is
like supposed to be the two of you

446
00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:33.240
the most romantic time in your life. Yeah. Two guys at the bachelorette

447
00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:37.920
party seems excessive. Yeah, yeah
for her, you know, so I

448
00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:42.119
don't know. I'm just wondering if
that information got to the groom. Yeah,

449
00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:45.720
I mean there there are some people. She's got a good group of

450
00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:52.720
friends. If they didn't say anything. Yeah, but yeah, I mean

451
00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:56.960
I think, yeah, I mean, I guess, just be careful on

452
00:29:56.960 --> 00:29:59.400
your bachelor batch. I mean,
there's always some instructions. They want to

453
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:02.519
know what they did. There's always
a spy, there's always a rat.

454
00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:06.559
But like I said earlier, the
married guys who were in the wedding party

455
00:30:06.680 --> 00:30:10.759
tend to be way, way worse
than the groom to be generally speaking from

456
00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:14.799
my experience, Yeah, I could
see that. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah,

457
00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:18.960
I wonder if obviously, I think
you should probably set rules before you

458
00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:22.640
do the bachelor and bachelotte parties,
you know, well, right, I

459
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:26.759
mean, I guess, like the
stuff that goes on, it's very cliche,

460
00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:30.519
it's very sash. It's the scavenger
hunt ship goes down, and I

461
00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:33.839
mean I get people do it.
The guys don't really do that. They

462
00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:37.119
just try and get wasted. Yeah, you got one, you got a

463
00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:40.839
story, got a bachelor's story.
Well, the last bachelor party I went

464
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:45.039
to was the whole cliche thing.
We were in Vegas and we did a

465
00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:48.480
nice dinner. They had a party
bus set up to take us to the

466
00:30:48.559 --> 00:30:52.640
local strip club. We go in
there. How many guys there was probably

467
00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:57.000
like ten of us. So we're
greeted by two dozen strippers at the door,

468
00:30:57.079 --> 00:31:00.680
I mean each of the us,
each of the had a couple on

469
00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:06.480
our arms leading us to our quote
unquote VIP area. And it was already

470
00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:08.559
I think it even charged us already
like one hundred and fifty bucks just to

471
00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:15.000
get in the door. Nice and
they played plenty plenty of attention to us.

472
00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:18.599
Of course, has some rush and
chicks on all over me. She

473
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:23.359
takes me to the private VIP room, which there was nothing different in that

474
00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:29.119
room because it was more expensive.
So anyway, I come back. I'm

475
00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:33.960
starting to run out of money at
this point because it's getting expensive and it's

476
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:38.640
cute. Latina girl hooked onto me, like can actually no, no,

477
00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:42.640
no, so cute. Actually it's
a very big club, well runs.

478
00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:48.279
It's a good established, not a
CD place if they're is such a thing.

479
00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:51.440
But it's Latina girl hooked onto me. And I said, well,

480
00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:55.079
look I don't want to go into
the private room, and she I don't

481
00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:56.799
know, you can dance here,
And I said, well, I'm almost

482
00:31:56.839 --> 00:31:59.160
out of money. Oh well the
ATMs are. She leads me over the

483
00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:04.359
at of At this time, the
liquor is flowing. We're all just completely

484
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:07.359
wasted. I get the money out. I didn't realize there was a forty

485
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:13.960
dollars surcharge on the atm WOW.
Or actually it might have been more than

486
00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:17.559
that. I just remember thinking it
was huge. Anyway, A few dances

487
00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:22.440
later, I've got to get out
of the club, like I'm just so

488
00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:24.880
done with it, with it all, So I go out. I'm sitting

489
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:28.720
out there on a bench. It's
kind of a cool night. I'm just

490
00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:30.640
trying to catch my breath. I
don't want anybody around me. I'm done

491
00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:34.079
with all these girls hanging on me, believe it or not, because they're

492
00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:37.359
just all trying to it's a money
grab, yeah I know. So the

493
00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:39.400
bachelor comes out, he says,
next to you, and we're just kind

494
00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:44.599
of talking about we're trying to find
other members of the party. They're gone.

495
00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:46.880
So we finally make our way home
so we all can bene next morning

496
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:51.359
for breakfast, and we're all laughing
about these stories, and some guys like,

497
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:52.799
yeah, she got me for three
hundreds, they're guy, yeah she

498
00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:57.319
got me for six. I'm like, they got me for four figures.

499
00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:00.400
Like I couldn't find any of my
money when I got home, it was

500
00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:04.039
gone. I think she just took
it right out of my pocket. I

501
00:33:04.119 --> 00:33:07.000
meant rolled, but Karma Karla was
a good thing. So my buddy and

502
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:12.160
I both played a poker tournament the
next day, and I actually sat with

503
00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:17.799
a famous baseball player, Oral Hirsheiser, and poker. Yeah. Absolutely,

504
00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:22.319
a lot of a lot of athletes
played poker. A lot of baseball players.

505
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:25.240
Ye, Jose Canseco. I've played
with him in other case. But

506
00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:30.119
anyway, I ended up getting fourth
place in that tournament and won all that

507
00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:36.279
money back. There's a circle of
lives, right because like literally she just

508
00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:37.759
took it right out of my pod
because I was so drunk, Like all

509
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:43.400
those hundreds that were in my pockets
were gone. I mean, Juana on

510
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:52.119
Juana. But one thing I always
found odd is at the bachelor parties.

511
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:58.640
The brides, relative, the brother, the father, they're there. Sometimes

512
00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:00.400
you know, I would just feel
weird the room. So my story is

513
00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:05.079
one time, my late friend Frank, so he's not around to defend himself,

514
00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:07.119
but I'll say in his honor,
we were at a bachelor party.

515
00:34:07.159 --> 00:34:10.960
It was at a club in Westchester
County, New York, and there were

516
00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:17.800
like a thousand people there because my
friend Greg fled the town. Oh my

517
00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:22.199
bachelor party, and who wouldn't go
to that? It was a bachelor party.

518
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:23.159
All you can drink, all you
can eat, like thirty bucks,

519
00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:28.000
so every guy within like twenty miles
or like a thousand people there. Frank

520
00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:30.880
is up on the stage with this
stripper and we're watching him and it's like,

521
00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:34.559
oh cool, he's getting a lap
dance and it's like oh cool.

522
00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:36.800
Wow, she's naked. Oh cool, And then it's like, oh wait

523
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:39.360
what he's having sex with her on
the stage. He's literally a second and

524
00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:43.599
we're like, oh shit, because
we looked to the right and his bride

525
00:34:43.639 --> 00:34:47.599
tobes father and brother and they are
like Irish mobsters, out of like state

526
00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:52.199
of grace, like they're like a
hard they're watching this thing, and we're

527
00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:55.800
trying to figure out how to make
it go away. He's having We couldn't

528
00:34:55.840 --> 00:34:59.480
like it was like it was like
to trying to diffuse a bomb. So

529
00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:00.760
we go like, Frank, you
gotta stop doing this. We walk on

530
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:02.960
stage and they come over and they
go, Frank, we got to talk

531
00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:07.840
to you right now, man,
and they take him in the back about

532
00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:10.079
twenty minutes later he comes out and
they're like smoking cigars and I go,

533
00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:13.119
Frank, what happened in there?
He's like, I had to get him

534
00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:22.519
Jets season tickets. Oh there was
always a price. They're like, well

535
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:27.880
let it go. Yeah, everybody
has a price though. Oh my god,

536
00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:30.679
with the party. So that's a
great story. Yeah, and you

537
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:35.679
you got one. No, not
like that, nothing crazy like that.

538
00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:37.480
I'm from the country. You guys
like, where what does that mean?

539
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:42.360
They don't have bachelor and Bachelor.
Um, they're definitely not as wild as

540
00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:45.079
what you guys have experienced. City
folk. Yeah, what are you talking

541
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:50.159
about, you city folk? Yeah, it's from a small Midwestern town.

542
00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:53.800
We do little hodown. That's what
he was doing. He was doing his

543
00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:59.880
little home down. Yeah, all
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544
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:05.519
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545
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546
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555
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556
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557
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558
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559
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560
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