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yeah you're up. Hello, biggests, biggas and nerds in the chat.

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We're live, We're live. Sprung
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trying to catch me distant Hillary.
So the crowd was Jay was uh over

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here waxing poetic about how beautiful and
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whatever. She's just like, that's
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Hillary is a baller bro. It's
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we were just talking about some of
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far as you know, the way
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I mean we everybody in the chat
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with me, I would also tell
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to avert their gaze. I'm not
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energy vampired by all you freaking toxic
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civilians and pedestrians in the chat?
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like our guest, our guest,
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just he's just a staple. He's
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over here, my emotional support host
for the struggle session. Today. We're

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talking Dune, Dune, Frank Herbert's
Dune and uh dni Veneve. How do

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you even say this guy's name that
uh just intentionally always pronounce it wrong so

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that all the nerds will correct you
in the Dennis vill Yeah, No,

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we're gonna this is this is not
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hipster video video essay about how Dune
went into our masterpieces peak cinema, Denny

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then news masterful, cinematic epic.
Dean went into Know this is not that.

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This is a struggle session. You
guys, we're talking. We got

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Jaydyer over here. We're gonna be
talking deep stuff. We're going deep.

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We're talking parapolitics, occult worldview,
warfare, with with with with Jay DIYer

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over he. He did a great
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love Jay's approach to kind of comparing
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uh, you know, deep politics
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word is kind of lame now because
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structure of uh kind of cosmic espionage
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We're gonna do a full deep analysis
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I've not read the books. So
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the first two. Alright, he's
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what I've heard, from what I've
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you've it's called it's it's pronounced pronoun
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I will leave this podcast. Do
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that's what? Do you think that's
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just just dead name somebody just pronounce
his name wrong? Alright, how's the

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audio, guys? Let me make
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stream and they remind me how boomer
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rarity. We did it with No, we have no boomer errors in the

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beginning. Yeah, the only Boomer
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Boomer, the greatest rapper alive,
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of the two of the only rappers
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some kind of human trafficking scandal.
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help that Jay's fired over the years
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let them look him in the eyes, and how you know, the various

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strange people look down I'm gonna get
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no, but I mean just normal
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to have your head plucked by the
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I don't understand. Nobody cares about
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come, we come, We're not
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kwanza, kwanza. So yeah,
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got the The Chad Book respector versus
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there are a lot of complaints.
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of a different take, which I'll
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stuff. But yeah, we've got
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the entire story from the first Dune
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Herbert Frank Herbert Junior Jay Dyer here
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start out with the first one.
Let's start out with the first one.

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It does, unfortunately start out with
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we would get, Yeah, Zendiah's
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mad face. I watched it again
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like, she smells something weird,
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she's trying to figure out what that
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Well, and and despite despite Zendiah
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shallow, may you know there's not
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first one is pretty dangn good.
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of it, the editing and like
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people are are raving about, is
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audio as well. It's kind of
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is a starry eyed young man with
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universe, yeah, and a uh
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witch. His mother is a Bena
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order of manipulative occultic them lord ladies
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world who have a kind of cult
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and so forth that they use to
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pretty important role in the books,
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kind of mutated from being human into
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looking creatures. Have you ever seen
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ask you if you've seen the David
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halfway through the David Lynch version and
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it, but it's just I was
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seen select scenes from it since then, but yeah, I've never been able

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right when the guild Master comes to
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remember that weird guy in the tank. Yeah? Yeah, So they played

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a key role as a power of
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control of the spice and the use
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like they're like the Space bankers who
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commerce and travel. So like you
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space. Yeah, and they do
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spice minannge, that spice milllege,
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There's one realm called Aracus where the
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is you know, Herbert Frank Herbert
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Middle East. The Middle East Wars
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rise of uh the Zion estate.
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within the Middle East fighting for power
over land resources, and of course Herbert

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nihilist, but more like a classical
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at kind of his what his worldview
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you? The Government's like a lie
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they basically he put a little twist
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but he says, the government is
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real and we don't really need government. So you know, he most definitely

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which is odd because this is not
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of hg Wels socialist utopians where there's
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tech future or whatever. And so
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his future sci fi world is that
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here. There's a ban on Ai. It kind of gets reinstated to a

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degree this people don't necessarily follow.
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which happened prior to the events of
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whole universe was enslaved by Ai,
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rose up and said it's time to
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really odd, out of place in
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we were saying, with the notion
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and you've got the emperor, you've
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houses. So so it's an odd
future where things that we think would also

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socialist utopia, rural equal you know, a s U L Yeah, yeah,

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exactly. I like these elements being
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where it's not a bunch of the
typical socialist stuff but totally totally Yeah,

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you're completely right, you know,
it's it's really refreshing to have, you

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know. And what's interesting about this
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that's unavoidable, right, like,
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fiction world, you can't you can't
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hierarchy, where there isn't where you
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a man and a woman, and
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destructive, which is regularly shown,
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know if if I heard the Freemen
are like Polly in the in the books,

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yeah, they're weird in the in
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we have to understand, I think, as you're you're right there. You

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know, Herbert's definitely not Christian.
His vision of the future is perennialist and

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secretoust, so uh, and it's
kind of unclear he's not really conservative,

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as you pointed out, but again
there are some traditional he's like a libertarian,

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anarchist leaning kind of guy who you
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the so called traditional right wing values
of you know, I mean even he

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makes the hearken in like big fat
gay slops you know, in the books.

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Also they're also peed oh. He
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is very clear of their ped oh, which is interesting. So and like

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you said, he's running during the
Cold War. So there's definitely this idea

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of we want to we want to
point out the dangers of status tyranny,

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collectivism, stalinism. Those are obviously
kind of being critiqued. But also he

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I think if you read Uh Do
Messiah the sequel, he wanted to uh

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note that even good guys can be
tempted with too much power. Because Paul

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Paul becomes a kind of a back
and forth tragic hero. He kind of

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is a herobody kind of isn't and
in the long running is of definitely a

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good guy. But but he's definitely
not the Massaiah we think he is.

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that most people don't expect and you
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Here's the thing. I grew up
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always loved it. Everybody hated it. It's it's critically you know, despised.

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I just I've always liked it ever
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Just something about it was unique.
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the Dnnist version is I was worried
that they wouldn't have some homage and elements

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of the David Lynch version in it, but they did. They kept some

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of those elements. It kind of
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I appreciate. And that might just
be would you what are some of those

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elements like that? You would have
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also it might be that I think
Dennis and Lynch were both really striving to

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be faithful to the book the original. Sorry, who's Dennis? You mean

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calling him Denis to piss off the
nerds? Now you have to put the

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accent in the right exactly, Thank
you. It's it's it's Kiev it's not

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Kiev. It's I don't know if
you know how to pronounce words or not,

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but it's ghost. Yeah. So
some of the elements I think of

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the of the Lynch version, of
the cinematography, that the the aesthetics that

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carry over. And the reason I
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syncretists, you've got Islamic influence,
you've got Zen influence, You've got particularly

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sunny sort of Islam. You've got
Catholic influence because in the in the religion,

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the world of doing, the religion
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Bible. And this is this idea
where in the future the Catholicism and Islam

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have fused into this bizarre sort of
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you could say. And I think
that's kind of why Paul is a is

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a sort of God figure who he's
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sometimes he calls himself the Voice of
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on where he starts using that language. No, it's it's in the novel

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first, because yeah, in the
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says voice of God. I think
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we just watched it last night,
when you know, when he's confronting at

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the very fact the last thing when
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He sassins Christopher Walking and the Reverend
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am the Voice or something like that. Yeah, he did. I wish

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we had I wish I had like
a there was a DVD version, because

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you know, I could only see
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yeah, I remember at some point
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in most sci fi now scientism comes

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like the religion, right, It's
assumed that scientism is true. So most

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sci fi will focus on either a
dystopian vision of the future where scientism kind

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of goes too far in one direction, and you know, maybe we should

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rearrange our priorities and be a little
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and you know, so there's this
sci fi has become, so it's

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become so dreary it's so demoralizing,
right, some sci fi films in general

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a propaganda tool for demoralization, for
bringing out you know, new tech,

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for uh, you know, kind
of just forming the worldview, right,

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this kind of an idea of occult
worldview warfare. Hollywood is very much you

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know, the benages or order to
such an extent that there are like the

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new priesthoods. So it's it's almost
surprising that these films were made in the

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way that they were, although you
know there are are the you know,

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there is the and this seems to
come from Frank Herbert, this very skeptical

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towards religion, very uh uh,
you know, really kind of bitter about

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you know, the idea of a
Messiah figure, this extreme skepticism towards anything

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any man becoming a great man.
You see that theme throughout Hollywood, but

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it it kind of gets subverted in
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a lot of ways. I'm almost
worried. I mean, I was thinking

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about this at the end of Doune
part two, like they're just they're they're

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gonna ruin it because there's some there
is a danger that doing Messiah because he

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does I think he does plan to
make. So the next story will be

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doing Messiah, which is the sequel
of the books. But remember, so

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there's a there's and I've not finished
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happens without swung the whole story.
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and one of those twins famously will
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the salvation of the human race happens
in the story is that Leto the second

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Paul, one of the Paul's twins, there's a sister and a brother,

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Leado the second will merge with the
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so many kind of mystical connections between
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Emperor. And this actually initiates a
thousand year reign of peace or the human

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race, which ends up being the
only timeline that Paul could have chosen to

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save the human race. So in
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doing was kind of making Paul sort
of a kind of Messiah. It didn't

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exactly go the way that everybody planned, but that I think is the point

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of the story. That the things
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odds shihlu versus the humans, right, they actually become merged. And I'm

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not say saying that that's ethical or
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it's it's unique. And ultimately Paul
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He makes mistakes, but he's kind
of inadvertent Messiah or lineage savior. You

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might could argue that Lido the worm
boy, is the savior by the boy.

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worm could become actually make a part

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four it that will be wild.
I mean you're gonna see like the Worm

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Emperor. That's gonna be wild.
I almost wish that they would just just

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leave it, just leave it at
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that it ends. It's so it
leaves it so open ended. And it's

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interesting seeing people argue. Right.
You'll see people kind of like in our

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you know, people coming from more
of a Christian from the right, more

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right wing perspective, saying that they
love the film right, that they love

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the aspect of the assumption, like
you can't get away from monarchy, he

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can't get away from patriarchy, you
don't get away from hierarchy. The the

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free will aspect of the film of
their being. You know, Yet these

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characters, no matter how far along
they go in this like demonic realm of

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being totally taken over by they're not
taken over by, but consuming so much

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of the spice, which allows Paul
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He still has free will, and
his choices end up leading and he tries

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to take what he calls like the
Golden path or whatever. So this the

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path that will result in it's not
really clear. It doesn't He doesn't overtly

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state his desires. You see that
he has some sympathy towards the Fremen,

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who are you know, there's an
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they're kind of the guerrilla warfare guys. They're the you know, the mystics

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who live this kind of nature based
religion. So they're, you know,

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they It's not like a full on
Marxist undertone as Blade Runner twenty forty nine

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had, which is another Deniven new
film, which was a great film,

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flawed in some ways, but you
know, it's a fantastic film. Paul

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sympathizes with them, but then he's
also drawn towards his destiny, right,

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He's drawn towards this greatness, and
I think in Hollywood you have this at

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this demonization of you know, actual
greatness. Right, Like I didn't watch

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I didn't watch the Napoleon film,
but it seems and I think Napoleon was

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a total antichrist figure. But at
the same time, it's just this trope

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of, well, there are great
men that rise up every once in a

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while, and it's awful and terrible, and we have to do everything that

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we can to stop that from ever
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single man becoming so great and having
so much power. You know that again,

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they may do that in the third
one, but I think people will

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it would be such a flop because
it's not the way the storyline goes,

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and in fact, it's it's not
even really gonna work for a feminist narrative

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because for those that don't know,
Paul's sister Alia is a hugely tragic figure.

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She will be more powerful than Paul
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Jessica drinks the water of life,
this actually like double empowers Alia, and

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the water of life being this like
super distilled spice in a lot of ways,

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right, because the worms are crawling
through this planet a rackets. Well,

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it's like, I mean, the
worms are feeding on they're sifting all

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this sand, consuming these giant spice
harvesters, consuming all the water from the

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people. So it's like the worms
are this symbol of just consumption, but

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this natural cycle of death of like
the underworld, right, and then to

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get the water of life, I
thought it was well done. You know,

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they have to get a small baby
worm and suck out the fluid from

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inside of it, which of course
I would. You know. It's like

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it's almost like this alchemical transformation of
the spice into this super concentrated almost poison.

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Correct, it's a super potent hallucinogen, and in the book it's made

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really clear when when Paul drinks it, it's a really intense basically like mega

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d mt acid trip. Okay,
so again we're space as we're not talking

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about anything Christian. There's just these
sort of it's very gnostic, right,

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I mean, it's this material that
you can find consume and this material will

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hyper accelerate your consciousness so that you
can have more power within the realm,

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within the known universe. So it's
kind of and it's a it's the spices

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itself really demonic. I mean,
it's an evil thing that actually ends up

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drawing people into I mean, it
seems like the spice is this catalyst for

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these massive genocides, these holy wars, and these battles for resources. Would

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you would you agree with that or
do you think I think I don't think

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it's I think it's a neutral thing
in the story. It's a very powerful

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commodity that has the ability to give
you, you know, advanced vision,

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enlightenment and the space travel. So
it's kind of like Heroin Heroin oil,

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right, sure. But it also
it's like, I mean, it's almost

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from the Christian perspective, is you're
kind of looking at like the tree,

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the fruit of the tree, the
knowledge of good and evil in a lot

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of ways, you know, and
it's used sacramentally in certain contexts. So

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there's this What I what I do
like about this too is the way it's

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portrayed is how religion is inevitable.
Faith is the fabric of the cosmos.

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Faith is the driving force between behind
every single character's actions, including even even

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Polytrdes and his mother, Lady Jessica. But Lady Jessica, the mother of

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Polytrdes, is the member of the
Benjesrit Order, who even the name is

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based on Jesuit, right, the
Jesuit Order, the Benjester, Yeah,

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the Beny Jesuits, which is you
know, referring to the Jesuits. But

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also there are aspects of many different
kind of religious occult religious type groups that

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are there. But she she ends
up and it's hard to tell whether she's

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manipulating sometimes when she's speaking to what's
her name, Aliyah in the womb,

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right, I mean, I remember
at the end, near the end of

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the film, Aliyah starts speaking to
her after she had taken this water of

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life. Aliah has this awakening and
she becomes this fetus in the womb is

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telepathically communicating with her mother, and
it is becoming very powerful. Right.

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That's what I'm saying, is that
what happens and this is why won't really

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work unless they significantly depart from the
novel. This in the next one is

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that there's no way to make this
feminist unless you just totally depart from the

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story. Because Alia will be born
with all the powers of a grown,

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mature reverend mother, which as a
child is really unheard of. And so

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if you remember in the novel or
in the movie at the end the Christopher

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Walkins Reverend Mother was saying that all
of our hope is not just in Paul

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there or others, which could be
the child of Fate Ralph, or it

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could be Alia. And the thing
with Alia is that she will There's some

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really wild stuff in Do Messiah.
That's it's almost seems Crollian, because she

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eventually gets her own cult, so
people start worshiping her. There's a religion

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that forms around her. The imagery
has shown where that she almost had.

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She has like this ritual where she
holds up a chalice. It's very reminiscent

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of like the Horror Babylon in the
Book of Revelation. Again perhaps even Krollian,

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the way Crowley speaks of the scarlet
woman. And then Alia ends up

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going matt so she goes crazy.
She's going to be a villain, the

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tragic villain figure. She has to
that. You have to do that with

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that character. She's got to be
completely twisted and insane. And here's the

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crazy part. She will actually be. This is something that the novel deals

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with. I'm not aware of other
maybe some so fi novels. I'm not

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a huge sci fi reader. But
that's in Dune Messiah where she goes nuts.

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Yeah, but the novel deals with
genetic memories. So if you remember

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the when when Jessica drinks the water
Bluff, she remembers and has the knowledge

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of all the previous Reverend mothers because
of genetic memories. Paul is awakened to

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genetic memories as well. That's why
he's always talking about the sleeper must awaken

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and so forth, which is more
prominent in the David Lynch one than in

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this one. But yeah, the
genetic memories empower you. But there's a

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downside of the genetic memories which can
empower you, which is that you can

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also be possessed by alternate personalities of
your relatives. So when Alia gets possessed,

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she actually gets possessed by Baron Harkone
because that's her granddad. Okay,

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that crazy, Well there's that life
from Paul. He's like, we will

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win by what did he say?
Well, win by being like the Hearkens.

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Does will have to be like him? Then he finds out he is

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one right, So but at one
point I didn't want to make earlier,

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so he's in the novel. He
is the voice from the outer world,

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so he is identified as the Voice
of God, the Word of God.

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And again it's weird because it's not
exactly explained. It's kind of maybe meant

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in a nestorian ish sense. So, but there's a great scene in the

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David Lynch one at the end where
when he kills Fade, he speaks and

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it like splits Fade open because he
has that power. And apparently that that

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was kind of unique to the Lynch
one, where there's not I don't know,

402
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,039
it's been ten years since I read
the novel. I remember a lot

403
00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:43,840
of it, but I don't.
They don't have the killing words like they

404
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,920
do in the David Lynch version.
So if you notice in the dentist version

405
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:51,280
they don't fight with words, that's
unique to the David Lynch version. You

406
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,079
know what I'm talking about. I
didn't see the end of the David Lynch

407
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:58,880
version, you know how what's throughout
it. But do you remember how when

408
00:34:59,039 --> 00:35:02,119
Jessica, for example, she uses
the voice she's training Paul to use use

409
00:35:02,159 --> 00:35:07,039
the voice here, come over here, and then the other benijesterrit Seductress uses

410
00:35:07,079 --> 00:35:14,280
the voice on Fade Lynch version,
they developed that idea of the weirding way

411
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,360
where Paul teaches the Fremen how to
fight with words, so you can actually

412
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,760
say a killing word and it like
this little machine projects the word out.

413
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,719
I always thought that was cool.
Yeah, it's cool. I guess I

414
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:30,119
could see why it would be really
difficult to portray in film, right,

415
00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:35,039
you know, for a novel,
it's way easier to portray, but especially

416
00:35:35,079 --> 00:35:37,719
after Star Wars, right, because
well that's another thing that you notice when

417
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:44,079
you watch Dune, realizing that the
first novels were written in the nineteen sixty

418
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:47,840
five I mean, Star Wars is
almost completely based off of this. Star

419
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:54,760
Wars is just like a distilled uh
normy version of Noone for people with eighty

420
00:35:54,760 --> 00:36:00,719
five I Q, it's not it's
I mean the Jedi tricks, the even

421
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:07,440
the the relationship between Luke and his
and Darth Vader. Right, you have

422
00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:10,760
Paul a Trade, he's finding out
that his grandfather is Baron Harken, and

423
00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:16,239
you have a similar situation in uh
in Star Wars where he finds out that

424
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:21,960
Vader is his father, and there's
there's just there's so many parallels and but

425
00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:27,360
yeah, I gotta say, is
just like a Racus right where is Yeah,

426
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,320
there's a lot of these, by
the way. I also the more

427
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:34,599
I thought about Game of Thrones,
I mean I have to believe that George

428
00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:37,960
Martin was pulling from this as well, and even to the point of like

429
00:36:37,039 --> 00:36:40,239
low Iq Marvel stuff. I mean, if you think about it, the

430
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:45,239
fact that Paul is enlightened via the
ritual and then he sees various timelines that

431
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:52,599
he chooses one from that that's the
same plot as Doctor Strange in The Avengers,

432
00:36:53,480 --> 00:37:00,320
where he has to depopulate the universe
by allowing fan of he indirectly allows

433
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:05,320
Danos to win, which depopulates the
universe, and that is later explained that

434
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,360
Doctor Strains chose the one timeline where
he can save the human race straight out

435
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:14,280
of Dun. Yeah. Yeah,
No, There's so many parallels, and

436
00:37:14,519 --> 00:37:19,480
it really makes you it really makes
it easier to diss on George Lucas and

437
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,159
Star Wars, which it's almost like
all the fantasy rips off Lord of the

438
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:28,000
Rings and all the sci fi rips
off Duane basically sure, sure, And

439
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,239
I think Dune pulled a little bit
from Lord of the Rings as well.

440
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,239
I mean, you know, I
mean the Spice the Ring there. There

441
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,840
there are certain parallels there that you
know, maybe in fantasy sci fi is

442
00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:42,360
this type of symbolism is unavoidable.
But I see some some parallels there.

443
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,079
Have you come across the fact that
Tolkien really disliked Dune. He didn't like

444
00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:52,320
Frank from what I've read, I
haven't read the direct quotes from him,

445
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:59,000
but Tolkien didn't like the cynical nature
of Frank. Herbert's the reality where there's

446
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:04,360
there's no there's no real clear good
and evil. There's just like way evil

447
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,800
and slightly less evil, which I
think it ends up working against Herbert.

448
00:38:09,079 --> 00:38:13,239
I think this is one of those
films, just like I don't know,

449
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,119
you look like the Barbie movie,
where you've got a bunch of liberals try

450
00:38:15,199 --> 00:38:20,280
to make a film where it's they're
trying to give you one message, but

451
00:38:20,679 --> 00:38:24,800
they end up subverting their own message
because they're unavoidably stepping in their own filth,

452
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:30,440
and they end up making something really
interesting. And I think even with

453
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:36,800
Herbert his cynicism towards religion. From
what I've heard, he wrote the first

454
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:42,559
book and then was really upset with
how people were lionizing Paul and people really

455
00:38:42,559 --> 00:38:49,039
were like Paul is the people saw
Paul as being such a great figure.

456
00:38:49,159 --> 00:38:52,159
Like it really the first The Dune, Part one and part two, it's

457
00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:59,039
almost like a hagiography about this character
Paul, who has the opportunity to be

458
00:38:59,079 --> 00:39:04,199
a true leader. He really does
a lot of great things. We don't

459
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:09,119
know his true motivations ultimately, but
there are possible selfish motivations for a lot

460
00:39:09,159 --> 00:39:13,639
of what he does, revenge,
you know, vengeance being a major thing

461
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,760
for him. But it's almost like
a secular hagiography of this great man figure

462
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,480
who is his type of Antichrist,
right, he is a type of Antichrist,

463
00:39:22,519 --> 00:39:30,800
and that he's manipulating certain prophecies and
fulfilling this role as this prophet within

464
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:37,719
the structure of these prophecies to get
things done geopolitically and personally. But then

465
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,119
there's another layer of this where the
audience is not so sure. Well,

466
00:39:40,159 --> 00:39:45,000
perhaps perhaps there's some truth to these
prophecies, because even Lady Jessica ends up

467
00:39:45,039 --> 00:39:52,719
saying that the fetus, what is
that child called Aliyah, And it's I'm

468
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:57,519
so glad that they used it.
They used Ai to actually bring back Aliyah

469
00:39:57,639 --> 00:40:01,280
from the from the nineties, and
and she yeah, she has some great

470
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,400
solo. She has some great songs
in the film as well, so that

471
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:10,199
the fact that they used Aliyah it
was great. I'm joking, boomer joke,

472
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:15,519
but that's a gen X joke.
Bro Alia Aliah, like none of

473
00:40:15,519 --> 00:40:19,199
the Zoomer is watching. If there
are any Zoomers, you're not even allowed

474
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:23,360
to watch this. But yeah,
I think I think so man. I

475
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:30,679
think like, did he had her
jay Z and those people they think they're

476
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,960
messed with her when she was really
young. She was like sixteen fifteen,

477
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,000
which is famous. So anyways,
Aliyah tells well, Jessica tells Paul that

478
00:40:38,039 --> 00:40:44,800
Aliah is telling her that Aliyah believes
in him and is starting to believe that

479
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,519
the prophecies are real. So you
get this aspect of well, you're not

480
00:40:47,639 --> 00:40:54,599
so sure. Are the prophecies all
just benjeser It manipulations for geopolitical power and

481
00:40:54,679 --> 00:41:01,119
for power over people? Or is
there an aspect of truth? Is Paul

482
00:41:01,559 --> 00:41:06,000
the Lea song is at the lisan
Al Gayib or whatever is he is he

483
00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:09,880
truly lisan Al Gaib. It's open
ended, and I think that ends up

484
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:17,639
undermining the cynical viewing of the film
as and like all religion is just fake.

485
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:22,079
It's all just like some people that
are just trying to control you and

486
00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:25,239
get your magic mushrooms so that they
can have all the magic mushrooms and do

487
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,800
the space acid so that they can
fold space time or whatever. It's like,

488
00:41:30,159 --> 00:41:32,000
I don't know. I think I
kind of like, I kind of

489
00:41:32,039 --> 00:41:37,719
like how it ends without the Dune
Messiah addition, because you've got at the

490
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:42,440
end of it and then I know
you've got a lot of great insights too,

491
00:41:42,559 --> 00:41:45,880
j Sor I've been rambling here,
but you have this kind of great

492
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:52,880
man figure who ends up leading these
people into a holy war. And at

493
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,480
the end of the in the theater, most people are like cheering on.

494
00:41:55,719 --> 00:42:00,480
They're like, yeah, holy war. This is based like we love it.

495
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:01,960
And I think a lot of that's
because of the aesthetics of it.

496
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:12,079
The aesthetics of the film are are
it's a beautiful. The cinematography is amazing,

497
00:42:12,519 --> 00:42:15,320
the way that it's shot, even
the color schemes. It's not that

498
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,239
sound. The sound is amazing.
So all the aesthetics lead you to be

499
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,599
cheering on for Paul. You want
Paul to win because he's facing little little

500
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:30,800
fat uh you know, pedo demon
guys, and you want him to you

501
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,239
want him to be the lisan Al
gaib And in the end of it,

502
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:38,960
even Chani, the kind of obnoxious
character who's basically a stand in Channis.

503
00:42:39,039 --> 00:42:45,559
Like throughout the films, Channi is
the character the audience is supposed to be

504
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,400
seeing themselves in. The audience is
supposed to be seeing the world through Channi.

505
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,199
And that's why she's there at all
these key moments. And she's not

506
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,039
really like a feminist figure, but
she's a little girl bossy. I mean,

507
00:42:57,079 --> 00:43:00,000
she's fighting in the war and stuff, and she's, uh, there's

508
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:05,559
a romantic element to this, and
she feels betrayed by Paul, right Paul.

509
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,800
She had told Paul, I'll love
you for as long as you are

510
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:14,199
who you are or something like that, and as he changes, she gets

511
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,679
to scall at him and make this
stink face, you know, angry girlfriend

512
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:22,000
vibe. And then it gets really
intense in the end when he ends up

513
00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:25,079
leading everybody off of Aracus. He
says, let's go, We're gonna go

514
00:43:25,159 --> 00:43:29,440
to the Green Paradise. We're gonna
go to war. We're having a dang

515
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,440
holy war with the rest of the
houses. They all get on the ships

516
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:37,119
and they leave, and Chany stays
behind. And the character that's supposed to

517
00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:43,039
represent like the Western view or the
average cynical about religion. Oh, it's

518
00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:46,360
all just fake prophecies to manipulate you
and take your oil. Bro. She

519
00:43:46,559 --> 00:43:52,880
ends up rage crying and soyjacking alone
with a giant worm on the sand world

520
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:57,679
at the end of the film.
So it definitely subcurts your expectations on what's

521
00:43:57,679 --> 00:44:01,440
supposed to happen. And she gets
he gets completely cooked by Paul, who

522
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:06,920
marries the emperor's daughter, who's actually
beautiful. I'm like Zendaia. He marries

523
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,320
like the Emperor Paul the sorry not
the Emperor Paul. Paul becomes emperor and

524
00:44:10,679 --> 00:44:16,639
takes the hand of the princess to
marry her in a political move, which

525
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:21,000
you know, there's not like a
romance between the two at this point.

526
00:44:21,159 --> 00:44:28,800
It's purely political. And Zendaiah is
left pissy, scowling and just rage crying

527
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,119
at the end of the film.
So yeah, I think they probably chose

528
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:37,360
for Hollywood reasons to turn Chawny into
this sort of sassy, conflicted character,

529
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,880
because I don't recall any of that
in the book. I'm pretty sure she's

530
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,840
you know, if you watch the
David Lynch version, it's a little closer

531
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:50,239
to the book in this regard because
Mary Sean Young's character as Chawny basically just

532
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:57,000
totally like never, She's fierce and
she's always sort of this primal tribal woman,

533
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:01,480
but she never questions Paul or like
in Doing Messiah, she does kind

534
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:06,239
of give push back on some of
his ideas and some of what she's worried

535
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,440
about him, because ironically, in
doing Messiah, he turns into more of

536
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:17,239
a machine. He becomes a Mentat
and sonat. So the Mentats were when

537
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:22,480
they banned AI in the Butlery and
Jahad. The way to get around this

538
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:28,280
was that they have genetic manipulation,
and genetic manipulation can allow for the creation

539
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,360
of highly like super high IQ people. So if you remember in Dune one,

540
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,760
that black dude that has the white
eyes, Yeah, isn't he the

541
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,880
first character shown? The guy that
uh is the guy that polked? Oh

542
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,800
no, I'm sorry, the black
dude, the like albino is black dude.

543
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:45,920
He got the line on his Yeah. In the David Lynch version that

544
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:51,199
the Mentats have like these really huge
eyebrows, and so the mentats become the

545
00:45:51,639 --> 00:45:57,119
super high i Q Spurg they're basically
the Spurgs. They're the Spurgs that consult

546
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:05,639
uh and plan UH like savants for
the ruling powers. So like the Baron

547
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:09,800
has a mentat the House of Trades, has a mentat Thufer And so Paul

548
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:15,880
ends up becoming one of these human
supercomputers in a way because he's not He

549
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,880
doesn't want to at all be controlled
by emotion, so he becomes this very

550
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:23,559
calculated, cold machine like thing,
and he's alienated, so he doesn't relate

551
00:46:23,639 --> 00:46:31,000
to people. The closest connection he
has, ironically is actually Chawny, but

552
00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:35,719
even she's kind of simple to him
because he's kind of like the pseudo god

553
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,000
figure. So he's kind of losing
connection to the human race. And this

554
00:46:38,119 --> 00:46:43,000
is partly what makes him a tragic
figure. And and but he's not.

555
00:46:43,199 --> 00:46:45,679
He doesn't end up being an anti
cris. He actually ends up being this

556
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:51,280
well meg a longstory short. He
ends up blinded by an event in doing

557
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:58,800
Messiah, so he loses his eyesight
from an atomic going off, and he

558
00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:04,239
realized this is his mistake that he
isn't He does end up troubled from the

559
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,760
Jahad because you get like sixty or
eighty billion people in the universe end up

560
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:12,639
dying from the Shahad that he kicks
off, and he ends up retreating into

561
00:47:12,639 --> 00:47:15,599
the desert like Obi wan Kenobi as
a hermit. Does he lose the jihad

562
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:21,519
or does he win the Jahad?
Well, they they kind of win,

563
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:27,079
but but it's not his jihad that
saves everybody. It ends up in huge

564
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,920
misery. But what I'm saying is
that the big irony here is that it's

565
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:35,559
his it's his son who's the worm
boy, that that ends up bringing peace.

566
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,800
So what I think is going on, I'm speculating because I haven't finished

567
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:45,280
the whole storyline, but I think
Herbert, maybe to your point, saw

568
00:47:45,519 --> 00:47:50,920
that people shouldn't have been lionizing Paul
in the first one. Messiah makes him

569
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,360
a cautionary figure, but ultimately he's
not a bad guy because in a weird

570
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:59,800
inadvertent way, the prophecies end up
kind of being true. So he's like,

571
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,079
he's like freaking out. He's like, no, you guys don't understand

572
00:48:01,079 --> 00:48:04,599
it. Paul's not a good guy. And then he kind of seems like

573
00:48:04,639 --> 00:48:09,360
he tried to retcon it a little
bit and retroactively changed the interpretation that you're

574
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,880
supposed to get from it by adding
more to the story. But maybe he

575
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:15,599
just I don't know. It's one
of those things where it's like the piece

576
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:19,880
of art got out of the artist's
hands almost, you know, I just

577
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,079
like everybody. I mean, the
sequels are famously weird. I mean they

578
00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:27,599
and they get weirder. So you
think he was tripping a lot. Was

579
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:30,039
he taken? I mean I wondered
about that. I couldn't find any evidence

580
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:36,559
of him actually necessarily doing drugs.
Very possible, but I can't imagine him

581
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:40,760
writing is like the storyline about Paul
taking so much spice that he becomes unable

582
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:45,159
to interact with people in a normal
way. I mean, it just it

583
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:49,800
reminds me of people who have just
gone so far down the you know,

584
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,679
people who just really overdid it with
acid and mushrooms and stuff. Yeah,

585
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:57,760
I think you're right about that.
It's very possible, and it does.

586
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:05,119
It does read like somebody maybe experimenting
with LSD or something. But I mean

587
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,880
the sequel was just way weirder and
different than I expected. It's much the

588
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:15,000
sequel is much more like a courtly
intrigue espionage novel than it is any kind

589
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:20,239
of action story. So Dune is
more is like action battles gigantic scope.

590
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,199
H The second novel is not like
that at all. It's like a weird

591
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:31,239
courtly espionage assassination thing. They create
this this this this weird guy who's supposed

592
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:36,639
to be Duncan reborn. They have
the ability somehow Duncan who wasn't was that

593
00:49:36,679 --> 00:49:42,639
the freaking what's his name? Duncan's
the Jason Momoa character that's Paul's great best

594
00:49:42,639 --> 00:49:46,719
friend, the warrior guy at the
beginning who gets killed. So the the

595
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:52,039
court of Christopher Walkin and the Reverend
Mother, they come up with a plot

596
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:58,800
where they wrote Eraline in to create
this restore. They have the ability to

597
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,480
It's not a but they have the
ability to, like it's kind of sort

598
00:50:02,519 --> 00:50:06,400
of cloning, but not exactly.
Like they bring back a kind of a

599
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:10,199
husk of a person who isn't the
person, but has some of the genetic

600
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:15,559
memories of the person. And they
do this as a kind of trick to

601
00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:19,079
ultimately trick Paul to bring Duncan back. But Paul actually knows what they're doing,

602
00:50:19,159 --> 00:50:22,760
so it doesn't really work, but
he almost kills the twins at the

603
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:28,880
end. But so long story Shore
is just what I like again is that

604
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,960
you've got terraforming, you've got mk
ultra elements in the first one, Nick

605
00:50:34,039 --> 00:50:37,320
and what they do what they call
imperial conditioning to make sure that people are

606
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,280
mind controlled so that they don't and
can't ever turn on one of the royal

607
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:44,960
houses. So wow, so they
and they call it imperial conditioning is the

608
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,079
term. I wish they'd included that
term in the films because you see some

609
00:50:47,199 --> 00:50:52,119
of this The David Lynch, I
gotta I gotta watch the David. There's

610
00:50:52,119 --> 00:50:54,639
a lot of elements where the David
Lynch was actually close for the books.

611
00:50:54,639 --> 00:51:00,599
But the Doctor Yui, the Trader. One of the reasons that they trust

612
00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:04,480
Doctor you is that he's supposed to
have the Imperial conditioning. So he has

613
00:51:04,519 --> 00:51:07,800
the mark on his third eye,
which is supposed to signify that he's safe

614
00:51:08,159 --> 00:51:14,280
and that he won't betray the house. He's a total mind controlled slave at

615
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,000
that point, right exactly. But
here's the thing is that if he's if

616
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:22,159
it's the Imperial conditioning, that then
it's still not going to be sufficient because

617
00:51:22,159 --> 00:51:27,119
the Empire is conspiring against House with
Trades because it's Christopher Walking and the Baron

618
00:51:27,159 --> 00:51:31,440
who want Paul and Dukelido Dad.
So you've got terraforming in the novels,

619
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:37,079
which is odd because geoengineering and terraforming
are in Dune. I mean, who

620
00:51:37,159 --> 00:51:40,760
knew about geo engineering and terraforming?
Yeah, I mean a lot of these

621
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:45,360
topics seem like these are fringe topics
at the time being talked to. I

622
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:49,760
mean, these are topics that were
being discussed in think tanks right now.

623
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,159
If Herbert, if Frank Herbert,
and I've heard he was, he was

624
00:51:52,159 --> 00:51:54,519
a big Nixon guy, and if
he wasn't being a geop speech writer,

625
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:58,320
Yeah, he was a goop speech
writer. So he's for sure going to

626
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,960
a lot of these RAND Corporation meetings. You know, he's got to be

627
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:04,320
in these types of circles. It
would seem likely, And my suspicion would

628
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,320
be that, yeah, he's hearing
this stuff talked about, like, guys,

629
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:12,000
in fifty years, we're gonna be
geoengineering, We're gonna try to terraform

630
00:52:12,039 --> 00:52:14,360
by the year twenty twenties. He's
probably hearing these kind of things, like

631
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,199
you're saying, RAND meetings or something
for sure, and then this type of

632
00:52:16,199 --> 00:52:20,719
stuff was in Like Asimov was talking
about some of these topics too, So

633
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,960
these type of topics they were around, but it's interesting that he included them,

634
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:29,400
and in the film. I wish
they had some more about it.

635
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,199
Sounds like in the books it was
a bigger part of the plot is the

636
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,559
terraforming, because they do hint at
this when they talk about how they're saving

637
00:52:35,639 --> 00:52:42,920
all the water with the waters on
Oracus. The Fremen will extract the water

638
00:52:43,039 --> 00:52:46,440
juice from the bodies of their dead
and they'll put them in these big pools

639
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:52,079
that are kind of underground, these
large ponds, and they've got almost you

640
00:52:52,119 --> 00:52:57,639
know, lakes. Yeah, so
they're they're saving this up, apparently to

641
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:01,000
try to terraform it and make it
into their green Pairaradise, which is also

642
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:07,079
prophesied in their prophecies that are given
to them through the Benjesat, which those

643
00:53:07,079 --> 00:53:12,360
prophecies are leveraged in order to get
them to become geopolitical pawns, which is

644
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:17,719
this is you know, and I
titled this in order to reference that concept,

645
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:23,119
that concept of religious engineering of a
cult warview, a worldview warfare and

646
00:53:23,159 --> 00:53:29,880
of parapolitics with I think Dune really
does brilliantly touch on some of these some

647
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:34,000
of these subjects and show how important
they are in a real world setting.

648
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,079
And I'd like to ask you a
little bit. You know, I was

649
00:53:36,159 --> 00:53:40,079
just reading through I finally started getting
int Whitney Webb's book One Nation Under Blackmail.

650
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,199
You mentioned the spice being almost like
space heroin. Well, the you

651
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:52,320
know, the heroin trade really being
crucial to twentieth century geopolitics. Frank Herbert

652
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,280
obviously pointing that out. You know, the concept of the Golden Triangle has

653
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,800
talked about here in the first chapter. I mean, going all the way

654
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:07,239
back like the Sassoon family, who
were a family out of England. But

655
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:13,639
you know, the Sassoon family was
a Jewish family out of England who famously

656
00:54:13,679 --> 00:54:19,119
got involved in the opium trade and
actually helped to bring about the Opium Wars.

657
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:24,360
You know, they're trying to think
the Opium Wars are absolutely fascinating and

658
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:30,280
the way that the Opium Wars played
out are very reflective over how things have

659
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,280
happened in the twentieth century as well. So we're talking about the mid nineteenth

660
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:42,239
century, the British in China engaged
in economic warfare as well as worldview warfare

661
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:47,119
and the use of drugs and the
drug trade to demoralize people, to bring

662
00:54:47,159 --> 00:54:52,239
about revolutionary fervor, to weaken a
culture in order to become kind of a

663
00:54:52,440 --> 00:55:00,840
basically vassal state in this you know, neoliberal so called free market at Richies

664
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:05,719
India Company was the most powerful corporation
in the history of the world. In

665
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,079
fact, there's not even even Apple
or anything today. It doesn't compare to

666
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:13,639
what was coming in on a daily
basis to the East British's India Company in

667
00:55:13,679 --> 00:55:16,320
their heyday. Yeah, it's absolutely
staggering. You've also got the history of

668
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:21,519
like the Hudson's Bay Company leading up
to the rise of the Bronfman family,

669
00:55:21,559 --> 00:55:24,639
which is referenced here and there in
her Underworld chapter. So could you want

670
00:55:24,679 --> 00:55:27,400
to talk a little bit about it. I know you did a stream on

671
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,960
this recently, and I think it's
kind of fresh in your mind. A

672
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:36,519
lot of this history of espionage,
history of worldview warfare, even religious engineering,

673
00:55:36,639 --> 00:55:43,159
especially as it relates to geopolitics around
like the World War two era,

674
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,320
post World War two, the OSS, the creation of the CIA. Because

675
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:52,960
Herbert's book and the way that the
Benjesrit order works with sexual blackmail and all

676
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:59,400
this really ties into that history.
Yeah. The book I did just read

677
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:05,440
and talk about was Michael Grazziano's academic
his book Airing into the Wilderness Religion the

678
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,000
History of the CIA. And of
course this goes very well with Paul Williams's

679
00:56:08,199 --> 00:56:17,280
Gladiol book, Daniel Ganster's thesis the
NATO Gladio NATO's Secret Armies is what it's

680
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:23,400
called. And then it goes well
with the wim Off book Time Life Magazine

681
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:29,400
in the CIA's doctrinal warfare program about
John Courtney Murray, the famous Jesuit.

682
00:56:29,599 --> 00:56:35,320
Yeah, I think this is it's
an overlooked but very obvious when you start

683
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,480
to think about it. Relationship between
the state and the church. Obviously,

684
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:43,920
the state has always wanted it to
have some element of control over the church

685
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,039
to make sure that it's in line
with the designs of the state. Sometimes

686
00:56:47,039 --> 00:56:52,360
there's there's a harmony in a symphonia
there, but other times there's a split.

687
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,920
And we have for example, Aryan
emperors who want to enforce arianism or

688
00:56:55,119 --> 00:57:00,599
iconic class emperors who want to enforce
iconic classm and so the Church state butt

689
00:57:00,639 --> 00:57:05,719
heads, but not as many people
know about the secret sort of under the

690
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:10,079
table relationship where a lot of times
clergy missionaries can be recruited to do spy

691
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:15,320
work, espionage work. You mentioned
a few streams back that I Will Be

692
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:21,519
Done book where we have the Rockefellers
having a direct interest in utilizing missionaries for

693
00:57:21,559 --> 00:57:24,199
the promotion of their oil interests and
their economics. There were a lot of

694
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:30,159
actizations. By the way, the
British East India Company was also utilizing missionaries.

695
00:57:30,159 --> 00:57:32,480
In fact, I bought a book
on the history of the British US

696
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:39,079
India Company. I even found a
really obscure British MP's investigation into the British

697
00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:43,960
US India Company from like the year
nineteen hundred something crazy it's austiny. Well,

698
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,519
you had to also consider, you
know how the whole British pop thing

699
00:57:46,639 --> 00:57:52,639
and the Beatles and all this helped
to propel Eastern mysticism into the forefront of

700
00:57:52,719 --> 00:57:57,320
Western culture, including yoga and all
this. A lot of that came out

701
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:01,159
of the called the British Invasion,
you know, all this very popular British

702
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:07,400
rock music and a lot of like
the most experimental rock came out of out

703
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:12,800
of Britain, right with the whole
the Canterbury scene with like the pro all

704
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,960
these prog bands who are tripping on
a bunch of drugs and putting out this

705
00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:22,159
very strange almost Eastern mysticism inspired but
also classical musically and musical inspired, uh

706
00:58:22,519 --> 00:58:30,440
theatrical music like the early Genesis stuff. So there was all this experimental mashing

707
00:58:30,519 --> 00:58:36,280
of world religions into kind of this
syncretistic culture that got pushed at the same

708
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,679
time as psychedelics are being pushed through. Of course, we know that's largely

709
00:58:40,199 --> 00:58:45,800
You could point back to Blovatski and
the Fabians who were pioneering a lot of

710
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:47,880
that, and they were doing that
at the best of Lord Milner, Lord

711
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:52,679
Rothschild, Cecil Rhodes, the Miliner
circles are really the brainchild and the power

712
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:58,880
behind the Fabians, and they're the
predecessors to the sixties counterculture. They had

713
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:02,079
a mini sexual revolution in the eighteen
nineties and the nineteen twenties and thirties that

714
00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:07,760
were that was Fabian inspired, and
then it really goes wild in the nineteen

715
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,599
sixties. So yeah, you're absolutely
right that that's the same ties into a

716
00:59:10,599 --> 00:59:15,119
lot of the same stuff. It's
just I was reminded of the British East

717
00:59:15,119 --> 00:59:22,920
India Company's history, where China was
actually accusing the British of using missionaries to

718
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:27,960
be dope dope smugglers. I don't
know whether that was the case, but

719
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,079
at least in the China. In
the Chinese mind, one of the reasons

720
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:35,039
they did that they didn't like the
British was that they thought the missionaries were

721
00:59:35,079 --> 00:59:39,559
being used to do spy work or
to as secretly sell dope. Well,

722
00:59:39,599 --> 00:59:43,960
that that's fascinating. I mean that
those types of allegations are all throughout the

723
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:49,559
twentieth century as well with the Rockefeller
Foundation and in I Will be Done exactly.

724
00:59:51,719 --> 00:59:54,159
I mean, it's it's not worth
reading every page of it because it's

725
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:59,360
it's a massive tome. I think
it's like eight hundred pages or something,

726
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,159
But yeah, Gerald Colby and Charlotte
Dennetz that I will be done. They

727
01:00:02,159 --> 01:00:07,880
talk a lot about how this group's
like Si L and some of these CIA

728
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:15,800
connected missionary groups. Protestant groups used
English translations of the Bible and trying to

729
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:22,199
get tribes to learn English in order
to get them into predatory situations and signing

730
01:00:22,239 --> 01:00:29,239
contracts for exploitation of resources and essentially
just using religion and especially language and the

731
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:34,440
English language in order to get the
in order to get this done. Yeah,

732
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,119
and this is this is why Mormon
missionaries famously have been recruited by the

733
01:00:37,159 --> 01:00:42,239
CIA. You know, there's a
close connection between Mormonism and the CIA,

734
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,440
as well as a lot of other
Protestant to missionaries and as well Catholic and

735
01:00:45,639 --> 01:00:52,039
Orthodox have also been recruited by the
OSS and CIA too. So out of

736
01:00:52,159 --> 01:00:53,880
the OSS and the CIA try to
use the fan ard, you know.

737
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:59,199
I mean, that's famously in the
twentieth century, the Constantinople trying to be

738
01:00:59,239 --> 01:01:04,360
a try just as a tool for
geopolitical intrigue. Also, even you know,

739
01:01:04,599 --> 01:01:07,800
these Protestant groups, like a lot
of Mennonite groups get involved in strange

740
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:13,000
stuff these days too. You know, I've heard a lot of stuff about

741
01:01:13,079 --> 01:01:19,679
Mennonite groups being involved in smuggling networks
throughout Mexico and interfacing with cartel UH smuggling

742
01:01:19,719 --> 01:01:23,280
operations and whatnot in Mexico because they
have a lot of I've suspected that,

743
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:28,159
but I haven't seen in the past. I've never found like a heart,

744
01:01:28,199 --> 01:01:30,639
I haven't spent a lot of time
going down that rabbit hole. But yeah,

745
01:01:30,639 --> 01:01:34,480
I've always thought that. I mean, if you grow up in Tennessee,

746
01:01:34,519 --> 01:01:37,280
for example, there's a lot of
men night Nomas that are still around,

747
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,960
and there's always we've always heard stories
that they do all the same kind

748
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:45,079
of criminal activities as any other group. So I'm not surprised that that makes

749
01:01:45,119 --> 01:01:49,239
sense. But yeah, to bring
it back to kind of, you know,

750
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:53,400
the world of Doune, I thought
it was very pression, very maybe

751
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:58,039
not pression, but it was very
it was a very insightful move to have

752
01:01:58,119 --> 01:02:01,360
the Benny jes Er It's be such
a power or full force in the world

753
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:06,400
of religion that are pretty clearly espionage. And I noticed I did look up

754
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,480
some academic literary some other people had
written on how the Benny Jesuits are basically

755
01:02:09,559 --> 01:02:15,239
kind of like the CIA or some
sort of spy agency. And so but

756
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:19,199
it's odd that they're all women,
I'm not. I mean, you could

757
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:23,440
argue that the the they have these
face shifters and in doing Messiah that will

758
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:28,599
come, by the way, that's
also the George Martin Borrow's that the piece

759
01:02:28,679 --> 01:02:30,760
the people that can shift their face, the nobodies or whatever they're called that's

760
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:37,320
from Dune too, do Messiah.
They they might be spies, I guess

761
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,920
you could say from a male set, but it's just odd that the spies

762
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:47,679
are typically in Dune women. It's
it is interesting. Some people will say,

763
01:02:47,719 --> 01:02:51,360
well, he was a he's a
huge misogynist. You know, women

764
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,280
were manipulative in Dune. You see. Even there was some tweet and trying

765
01:02:54,280 --> 01:03:00,760
to find this funny tweet from if
you just searched like Dune the on Twitter,

766
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:07,119
there's some funny interactions happening, you
know between like more left leaning people

767
01:03:07,159 --> 01:03:10,760
and right leaning people. This person
is like soyjacking about doing is fat phobic?

768
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:17,000
Exactly. Well. The part of
the reason, so another reason why

769
01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:22,199
we would speculate that Herbert really new
insides of what the system was up to

770
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:27,159
and what the real philosophy of the
elites is is that a big part of

771
01:03:27,159 --> 01:03:30,360
the Dune world is eugenics. And
so the Benny Jesuit's Sisterhood, they're not

772
01:03:30,639 --> 01:03:37,239
just seeding stories. They're actually manipulating
bloodlines for hundreds of years to try to

773
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:44,159
produce the uberminche. And their idea
is that we're not so much worried about

774
01:03:44,159 --> 01:03:47,280
emperors and barons and people that come
and go. If we can control this

775
01:03:47,559 --> 01:03:51,559
super being and their ideas they can't, they're going to be able to control

776
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,760
the super being. Then they'll be
the ultimate power behind the throne in the

777
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:59,000
universe. That's why the Reverend brother
says, you don't understand, like the

778
01:03:59,079 --> 01:04:02,079
quizas Hodak, the greatest power the
universe has ever seen. We want to

779
01:04:02,119 --> 01:04:05,119
control that. But I thought you
might find this interesting. I read it

780
01:04:05,159 --> 01:04:09,800
when I did my so this is
this is just a little section in Doing

781
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:13,559
Messiah that you'll you'll find relevant to
what you're talking about. And in every

782
01:04:13,679 --> 01:04:17,880
chapter of Doune, they're usually citing
some weird book in the universe of Doune,

783
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:23,360
like they're citing Pristas, airlines Diaries
or something. This is from the

784
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:28,320
book called the Orgy. As a
tool of state craft, Yeah says the

785
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:32,079
most dangerous game in the universe is
to govern from an oracular base. We

786
01:04:32,119 --> 01:04:36,119
do not consider ourselves wise enough and
brave enough to play that game. The

787
01:04:36,159 --> 01:04:41,920
measure detailed here for the regulation in
lesser matters are as near as we dare

788
01:04:42,039 --> 01:04:45,119
venture to the brink of government for
our purposes, we borrow the definition from

789
01:04:45,159 --> 01:04:50,719
the Vinny Jesuits. We consider the
various worlds of the universe as gene pools,

790
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:57,760
sources of teachings and of teachers,
sources of what is possible. Our

791
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:01,239
goal is not to rule, but
the into these gene pools to learn and

792
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:08,480
to free ourselves from all restraints imposed
by the dependency of government. So that's

793
01:05:08,519 --> 01:05:13,159
something that the Steersman's Guild, which
would be the Spacing Guild. That's one

794
01:05:13,199 --> 01:05:15,280
of their books, and they're at
the book is just titled Orgy as a

795
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:20,199
tool of take wraps. So the
whole all of it's full of like you

796
01:05:20,239 --> 01:05:25,599
know, Herbert having knowledge of like
Epstein type stuff, right, yeah,

797
01:05:25,679 --> 01:05:30,599
yeah, that's that's fascinating, And
you know that's obviously it's a PG thirteen

798
01:05:30,679 --> 01:05:33,880
movie. Thankfully, there's no there's
no like crazy gratuitous sex scenes or anything

799
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,679
in it, which I did appreciate
about Dune. It's like it's not you

800
01:05:36,719 --> 01:05:41,679
know, it's not super raunchy.
The violence is it was well done in

801
01:05:41,719 --> 01:05:46,760
both of the films, tasteful,
tasteful amount of violence. But there is

802
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:54,199
the the Benicester woman. She seduces
Fade what's his name, Fade, Rotha

803
01:05:54,559 --> 01:06:00,760
Roth Fade rothschild, fade fade,
Rotha. She seduces him and then I

804
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,639
think the dialogue could have been improved
a little bit. Afterwards she goes back

805
01:06:03,679 --> 01:06:09,679
to her Benjesterrit's and says, well, he can be controlled through sexuality,

806
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:15,880
through humiliation, and through uh you
know, he power. So you know,

807
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:16,880
I mean that you only have so
much time in the film to flesh

808
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:19,719
this stuff out. But it wasn't
it wasn't that bad. It was well

809
01:06:19,719 --> 01:06:25,400
done. The way they showed it, the way that they they hinted at

810
01:06:25,519 --> 01:06:30,000
the wider broader scope of why it's
women that are the ben agesterate is because

811
01:06:30,039 --> 01:06:34,039
these men who are in power are
often have a weakness for women. So

812
01:06:35,239 --> 01:06:40,920
yeah, which is something absolutely really
when we when we speak of like the

813
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:45,360
traditional word witch, it meant a
weird woman w y r D who was

814
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:49,519
a cunning woman. Right. So
the idea is that the ultimate witch is

815
01:06:49,559 --> 01:06:54,440
the is the handler, because it's
the most cunning person. It's the person

816
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:59,119
that you'll you'll never outsmart in this
game of you know, intrigue. And

817
01:06:59,159 --> 01:07:01,599
so the Reverend Mother is really sort
of the intended to be that we think

818
01:07:01,639 --> 01:07:06,360
the power behind the throne, and
that's why it's not a feminist story because

819
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:12,079
Paul ends up being the one who
goes where the women can't go. The

820
01:07:12,079 --> 01:07:16,079
women can't go in the ritual where
Paul goes, and that's why when he

821
01:07:16,119 --> 01:07:20,119
comes back, they fear him.
And when she tries to use the voice

822
01:07:20,119 --> 01:07:24,320
on Paul at the end, he
says silence and she jumps back. Right.

823
01:07:25,039 --> 01:07:29,000
It's very reminiscent of like when Christ
says I am and the soldiers fall

824
01:07:29,079 --> 01:07:32,119
back. Well, it's interesting too, I mean, because they spent thousands

825
01:07:32,119 --> 01:07:36,079
of years on their little eugenics project
trying to bring about what do they call

826
01:07:36,079 --> 01:07:41,360
it, the quiz atch hacker the
universe is super being, the q queiss

827
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:45,199
Hadarak. So they're trying to create
their uber mensch who is going to you

828
01:07:45,199 --> 01:07:48,639
know, see perfectly in past,
present, and future and be able to

829
01:07:49,639 --> 01:07:55,199
guide the known universe basically but under
their control. So they they want to

830
01:07:55,199 --> 01:07:59,719
be the puppet masters behind him.
And uh so they spend how it was

831
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:03,840
like thousand years with this breeding program
to bring about the perfect candidate for this,

832
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:09,280
but he ends up not being under
their control, so they lose control

833
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:13,480
of him ultimately, and so there
is this, you know, there's the

834
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:17,760
cynicism about religion. There's the cynicism
that Frank Herbert seemed to have, But

835
01:08:18,279 --> 01:08:26,279
then there also is seemingly a real
aspect of the supernatural at play in the

836
01:08:26,399 --> 01:08:30,760
universe, which I think is handled
well tastefully without being corny. There really

837
01:08:31,039 --> 01:08:35,319
there seems to be something there,
at least in the way that the films

838
01:08:35,359 --> 01:08:40,079
portrayed it right, with certain lines
of dialogue hinting at well, maybe he

839
01:08:40,279 --> 01:08:46,000
is the lisan Al Gayib and maybe
the Benajesrit are not in total control,

840
01:08:46,079 --> 01:08:51,159
because you've got Lady Jessica seeming to
clash a little bit with the other reverend

841
01:08:51,199 --> 01:08:55,720
mother, and she says something to
the other reverend mother of like, well

842
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:58,800
you pick the wrong side, and
she mocks her. She says, well,

843
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:00,199
you should have known after all this
time, you should have known that

844
01:09:00,399 --> 01:09:05,079
there are no sides, right,
there are no sides here. But that

845
01:09:05,199 --> 01:09:10,880
being said, they are Jessica seems
to be pushing back a little bit and

846
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:15,920
clashing with what the Menagesits really want. The Benajesurits try to get rid of

847
01:09:15,239 --> 01:09:18,840
the A Tredes' bloodline. They try
to kill them all off. On hark

848
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:26,439
on what's it called on Aracus,
so you know there would you say that

849
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:30,000
there is an aspect of that in
the books where there might be something there

850
01:09:30,359 --> 01:09:34,119
or is it you're supposed to think
at the end of the books. No,

851
01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:39,359
this is all just hogwash invented by
some witches to control people and control

852
01:09:39,399 --> 01:09:45,159
their minds. I'm guessing. And
again because I don't know where the next

853
01:09:45,239 --> 01:09:48,279
novels will go in terms of theism, Well, yeah, having read the

854
01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:53,000
first two novels, what would you
say, I'm just got I'm thinking that.

855
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:58,680
But I have read quite a bit
on like, uh, literary theory,

856
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:00,399
you know, theories, and are
now of the whole series, so

857
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:03,760
I kind of know where the series
goes, but in a general sense,

858
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:11,319
but not the details. I think
maybe there is this idea, so it's

859
01:10:11,319 --> 01:10:15,079
a it's a it's a universe where
there's evolution, there's genetic manipulation, there's

860
01:10:15,119 --> 01:10:24,000
the idea of the possibility of evolving
and mutating to perhaps godlike powers. So

861
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:29,560
it's not I would hesitate to say
at this stage in the first two it's

862
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:34,359
not supernatural so far, except that
we might have an irony where the uh,

863
01:10:35,199 --> 01:10:42,039
the prophecies actually sort of manifest so
we don't get the idea that it's

864
01:10:42,039 --> 01:10:45,039
supernatural. In the first two books, we get the idea that there's these

865
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:50,119
It's almost like there's there's very there's
powers that can be tapped into, but

866
01:10:50,199 --> 01:10:56,119
they don't seem to be supernatural.
They seem to be latent natural powers that

867
01:10:56,279 --> 01:11:01,399
allow us to maybe ascend evolutionarily to
some sort of quasi divine status. Okay,

868
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:08,800
So then the Benajester they take what's
natural, they spin a supernatural veil

869
01:11:09,039 --> 01:11:13,000
around the front of it, present
it to the you know, the people.

870
01:11:13,239 --> 01:11:16,159
But as I understand as the stories
progress, there is towards the end

871
01:11:16,159 --> 01:11:23,800
of all six stories this there's something
about a confrontation with the beyond. It

872
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:27,760
gets really crazy, like the novels
get really wild. So he takes it

873
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:33,159
in the direction of their possibly being
some entity beyond. What that is,

874
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:38,399
it's unclear. He may not even
explain it in the in the in the

875
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:41,840
novels, the doing nerds in the
chat can probably explain it better than me.

876
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:45,560
But uh, I don't think it
goes into the domino supernatural, except

877
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:49,960
perhaps towards the end. But we
do get weirder and weirder things happening.

878
01:11:50,399 --> 01:11:57,359
So maybe by doing six but I'd
say from what I gleaned from the two

879
01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:02,119
films, it seems like there is
something, you know, there is a

880
01:12:02,199 --> 01:12:08,279
real presence of something strange, possibly
supernatural going on. Well, for example,

881
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:13,880
the the worms, they're called shai
Elude. They see the freemen seem

882
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:18,000
to take the worms as like a
manifestation of the power of God. And

883
01:12:18,319 --> 01:12:21,119
with the worms seeming to respect Paul. Is that in the first one,

884
01:12:21,159 --> 01:12:26,000
the scene where the worm comes and
it's like it gleans Paul and there is

885
01:12:26,039 --> 01:12:30,319
this moment where he seems to be
the worms even seem to recognize Paul.

886
01:12:30,399 --> 01:12:35,840
Well, that's because this is letting
you know that they're going to Paul's descendant

887
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:41,079
will become a worm. That's how
crazy this is. I mean this it's

888
01:12:41,159 --> 01:12:44,239
just crazy, dude. Like the
novel, I can't even when you read

889
01:12:44,319 --> 01:12:51,319
it like it's it's even crazier because
freaking zont Herbert crazy directions. I mean,

890
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:56,880
you're wondering, like, was Frank
Herbert just like a super weird Spurg

891
01:12:56,960 --> 01:13:00,199
of the nineteen sixties. He seems
like a total spurg because it's it's also

892
01:13:00,359 --> 01:13:02,680
like Lord of the Rings in that
you know, you know, Tolkien was

893
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:06,800
such a Spurg that he creates his
own language, and like like there's a

894
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:10,880
language of Mortor and he like he
makes a real language. There's like he

895
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:15,119
makes a real language of l Like
who makes elf languages? Spurg? I

896
01:13:15,159 --> 01:13:17,199
mean, and and he does the
same thing with like, oh, the

897
01:13:17,279 --> 01:13:21,279
people of you know, Bene Talelax, they speak this language and it's it's

898
01:13:21,399 --> 01:13:24,760
Luke Luke's look, you know,
it's like there's a lot of x's and

899
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:28,800
z's and I mean, it's just
just total Spurg stuff. And there's some

900
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:32,319
weird sex stuff that happens later on
in the later novels. Does he get

901
01:13:32,319 --> 01:13:35,800
explicit with it or does he?
Is he tasteful? He seems like a

902
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:41,880
weird man. He's strange. I
don't know what to say about about where

903
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:45,640
it goes, but I just think
that it's just totally not like any other

904
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:48,239
sci fi and it has all of
these weird illness that. I mean,

905
01:13:48,279 --> 01:13:53,520
how many spy novels are sci fi? They're not very few. I mean

906
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:56,680
again, I don't read a lot
of sci fi, but it's just not

907
01:13:57,119 --> 01:14:03,119
You don't see science fiction stories written
this well and dealing with such really profound

908
01:14:03,199 --> 01:14:09,439
topics ideas geo politics, espionage,
mind control, the occult to a degree,

909
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:12,920
Yeah, for sure, some of
the occult. The cult is a

910
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:16,520
huge aspect of the film. It's
I mean, it's a big thematic I

911
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:21,239
was, here's a good point on
what you're saying. So in Dune it

912
01:14:21,319 --> 01:14:27,920
does seem to border on supernatural.
And maybe in Herbert's mind, maybe he's

913
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:30,119
agnostic, and so he kind of
has it open an open question. But

914
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:33,600
like when it's just so fun to
write it that way, where he couldn't

915
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:38,399
help himself with some of this stuff, where it just well, when Paul

916
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:44,560
undergoes this ritual, Okay, he
he sees he talks about seeing the infinite,

917
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:49,399
and he talks about like seeing all
the timelines, all the possible timelines.

918
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:55,159
I mean, this is a supernatural
game, probably the closest to the

919
01:14:55,199 --> 01:14:58,720
supernatural and that I can think.
But because he pegs it to it's not

920
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:01,119
a you know, like in in
the Orthodox tradition, you gain you know,

921
01:15:01,119 --> 01:15:04,640
knowledge is gained through you know,
the cleansing of the noose, right

922
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:08,680
so that you can have communion with
God. It's not you know, there's

923
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:12,479
no shortcuts of you know, you
just take a milligram of acid, then

924
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:17,520
you're gonna, but he he goes
and he mega doses on the spice for

925
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:25,399
a long time, fries fries Fries
balls on freaking space acid and gets all

926
01:15:25,399 --> 01:15:29,439
this insight, but can't really control
the visions. The visions are sometimes real,

927
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:31,680
sometimes he doesn't. He doesn't ought
to interpret it. So he's getting

928
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:38,279
all these, you know, insights
that are not really insights sometimes and then

929
01:15:38,319 --> 01:15:41,960
he drinks the what do they call
it, the water alife and ends up

930
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:45,279
taking it to another level where he's
able to kind of whether they use the

931
01:15:45,279 --> 01:15:49,000
word like prescience or something, He's
able to kind of prescient lea to be

932
01:15:49,239 --> 01:15:54,319
there and be present within these visions
of the past, present and future.

933
01:15:54,800 --> 01:16:02,159
But it's an imminentized gnostic way of
achieving not so he consumes the he consumes

934
01:16:02,159 --> 01:16:05,680
the fruit of the knowledge of good
and evil, knows good and evil becomes

935
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:15,600
like God. So's it's kind of
a Luciferian Promethean search for knowledge that Paul's

936
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:18,840
going through in a lot of ways. Yeah, I mean again, the

937
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:28,640
religion of the Fremen is a mix
of indigenous paganism. They retain a lot

938
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:30,920
of that paganism in some of the
traditions. I mean it's it's very elaborate

939
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:36,479
where you have the Southern fundamentalists and
the northern you know, skeptics and that

940
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:42,399
kind of mirrors like Judah and in
the time when Israel's divided between the ten

941
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:45,239
northern tribes and they're apostate, and
then you have only the you know,

942
01:16:45,359 --> 01:16:48,920
Judah in the south where the temple
is as the Southern fundamentalists. So there's

943
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:54,960
there's parallels to like Israel and its
history, and there's parallels to you know,

944
01:16:55,880 --> 01:17:00,520
Mosaic and christ type themes where they
want to stamp out the bloodline,

945
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:05,880
I mean, the the vinage,
the bloodline. Yeah, they want to

946
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:09,720
stamp out the trades because if you
remember, she says, we can't control

947
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:14,840
them, they're getting too uppity.
So we want to erase house of trades.

948
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:17,479
That whole bloodline can't be controlled.
We're going to try maybe fade Ralph

949
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:23,880
or some other options here is that's
their mindset. So in that sense,

950
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:28,000
there's parallel to like Herod stamping out
the you know, trying to stamp out

951
01:17:28,039 --> 01:17:30,239
the bloodline. Fro tries to stamp
out the Messianic bloodlines. A lot of

952
01:17:30,239 --> 01:17:35,560
things borrow from the Bible, the
desert springing to life. That's from Isaiah

953
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:39,960
prophecies of the Messianic era, right
where Eden comes back to the desert.

954
01:17:40,159 --> 01:17:45,119
So there's a there's a mix of
indigenous paganism Islamic elements with a lot of

955
01:17:45,119 --> 01:17:49,239
the terms of the Madhi, right. So uh, and then you've also

956
01:17:49,359 --> 01:17:59,119
got Catholicism in their Orange Catholic Bible. All that mixes into this bizarre stew

957
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:01,560
It's funny that you don't mention the
Orange I mean that would it would sound

958
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:04,680
so strange, the Orange Catholic Bible. I mean, he kind of blew

959
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:08,960
it with that name. He could
have had something a little bit different,

960
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:12,199
but you didn't. They didn't have
anything about that in the film. Yeah,

961
01:18:12,239 --> 01:18:15,399
it's in the novel because the novel
sort of drops you in the midst

962
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:20,359
of this universe that's had this long
history of you know, humans expanding into

963
01:18:20,399 --> 01:18:24,520
it. It's the year ten thousands, right, ten thousand one, So

964
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:29,560
humans have colonized the universe, the
known universe. They're all over all the

965
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:31,920
planets, and there's there's the return
of nobility. As you said, there's

966
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:35,319
been the Butler engine had where AI's
banned. Well, see, they didn't

967
01:18:35,359 --> 01:18:39,039
say that in the film either they
I wish they would have They could have

968
01:18:39,039 --> 01:18:41,720
done that in a few lines.
They could have done that in a conversation

969
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:45,520
reference, how there is this but
Larry and g Hod because you're kind of

970
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:47,199
as a viewer, you know me
coming in not having read any of the

971
01:18:47,199 --> 01:18:51,479
books. You see how they're fighting
and they have these weird shield things.

972
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:55,239
Why aren't they just why don't you
just shoot that guy? Right? You

973
01:18:55,319 --> 01:19:00,159
think it's stuff like this, And
that's actually that's actually answered in the but

974
01:19:00,239 --> 01:19:02,520
Larry and question because supposedly, I
guess the shields. I heard this.

975
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:08,640
I watched the like a review video, and apparently, and this sounds ridiculous.

976
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:12,279
This is kind of stupid. The
shields. So Frank Herbert had these

977
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:15,560
magical shields that they wear, these
tech shields that they wear, and it's

978
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:18,880
like a plasma shield, and uh, if you shoot it with a laser

979
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:24,479
gun, it's a it makes an
atomic explosion, So nobody can use that

980
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:29,680
anymore. I thought that sounded absolutely
ridiculous, But I guess as a plot

981
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:34,399
device it kind of works because the
idea of chivalry, the sword play knife

982
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:40,319
exactly the way to reintroduce classic stuff, just like the nobility is still there,

983
01:19:40,399 --> 01:19:42,880
right, so we got to do
it like a medieval have it kind

984
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:46,840
of be like a medieval vibe to
it, which is it works visually,

985
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:51,800
it's fantastic. I just wish they'd
explained that in the films. Yeah,

986
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:57,760
I think that's why the slow baited
the phrases the slow blade kind of trace

987
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:02,479
the shields, right, slow blade
the shield Yeah, exactly. Yeah,

988
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:05,319
So the bullets that we have to
like you know, engage in this hand

989
01:20:05,359 --> 01:20:10,199
hand combat and like you know,
slowly put your knife in or you just

990
01:20:11,039 --> 01:20:14,279
had there's also these you know,
kind of ancient traditions of what they call

991
01:20:14,359 --> 01:20:21,399
con lee, which is where you
you offer to settle vendettas in classic one

992
01:20:21,399 --> 01:20:28,119
to one sword fighter warfare. So
it's like a future that's science fiction and

993
01:20:28,159 --> 01:20:31,960
there's spaceships and space travel and warp
speeds or whatever, but there's all of

994
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:35,000
these medieval elements in that. Yeah, even like Victorian because when when to

995
01:20:35,039 --> 01:20:39,680
the duel, you know, the
idea of the dual. I feel like

996
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:44,399
in the Victorian age that was so
popular. You even see in like nineteenth

997
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:49,079
century Dostoevsky and I take out a
white glove and I slapped you and sure,

998
01:20:49,199 --> 01:20:53,199
sure, but you know the character
and the underground man in a Notes

999
01:20:53,199 --> 01:20:56,079
from the Underground, He's obsessed with
dueling, and it's this, yeah,

1000
01:20:56,119 --> 01:21:00,399
it's like this western import that made
its way into the Russian elite from England

1001
01:21:00,399 --> 01:21:03,920
and France, and it was this
romanticized, you know, macho thing back

1002
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:10,800
then. The duel. I mean, it's very symbolically rich and works really

1003
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:14,560
well. And you know, you
have the elements of the past, the

1004
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:16,520
present, in the future all there, and the imagery and the aesthetics of

1005
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:18,920
Doune, which I think is why
a lot of people, you know,

1006
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:23,560
a lot of people on the like
Twitter spectrum, because if you look at

1007
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:27,600
Twitter, the arguments are hilarious.
You know, people freaking out about no,

1008
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:29,840
you guys, you can't like Paul. You're not supposed to like Paul.

1009
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:32,640
Look at this video of dni Venuve
saying why Paul's a bad guy,

1010
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:35,720
and then these people on the right
are like, no, he's you know,

1011
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:39,840
I don't care. It's based.
You know, there's like the character

1012
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:44,319
what's his face, the dude from
No Country from old Man Javier Bardem.

1013
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:46,520
He has a line where he's I
don't care what you believe I believe.

1014
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:50,640
So a lot of the kind of
more right wing Christian guys though, respond

1015
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:54,880
with that meme, I don't care
if you believe. I believe Paul is

1016
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:58,960
the lisan Al Gaib And then the
you know, the the leftists are mad,

1017
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:01,079
They're like, no religion fake,
It's all just fake. The Benijesterrad

1018
01:22:01,079 --> 01:22:08,319
invented it. So the conversation that's
being had culturally about it really gives you

1019
01:22:08,359 --> 01:22:14,159
an interesting microscope into where we're at
this hypegeist, which you know, any

1020
01:22:14,319 --> 01:22:16,119
piece of art, it's going to
have multiple ways. It can be interpreted.

1021
01:22:16,359 --> 01:22:18,640
Different people are going to take it
in different ways, and I think

1022
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:25,560
that's where it does definitely works with
Dune. Yeah, it's that golden path.

1023
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:29,800
So I was I wanted to check
myself on this to make sure I

1024
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:32,159
was right. The golden path is
how I interpret it, which is correct,

1025
01:22:32,399 --> 01:22:38,560
and how everyone else interprets it is
absolutely wrong. Low IQ. So

1026
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:44,560
some of the Dune nerds are saying
humanity's future extinction is seen as guaranteed due

1027
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:49,279
to the fact that humanity was all
grouped under an imperium, the banner of

1028
01:22:49,279 --> 01:22:53,560
the Empire. This meant that every
human be affected by the decisions made at

1029
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:57,800
the highest level of that government.
So a serious threat to the imperium meant

1030
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:00,880
that a serious threat to the human
race would ensue. The Golden Path sought

1031
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:08,960
to diversify humanity across the universe to
nullify the weakness of the empire. Paul

1032
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:12,439
refused to follow this path, as
he was essentially still a good person,

1033
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:18,520
and spent his life trying to undo
the myths unsuccessfully that he had caught,

1034
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:25,319
that he had created in order to
do the jihad or whatever. So but

1035
01:23:25,359 --> 01:23:29,199
then somebody says, oh, this
is actually what Paul told himself. It's

1036
01:23:29,199 --> 01:23:32,399
a lot, but now I think
that the storyline is that there is a

1037
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:38,760
Golden Path, and that Paul chose
the path that even though it had the

1038
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:44,079
Jahad, was like the only one
that that was was the salvation and human

1039
01:23:44,159 --> 01:23:47,359
race. And then somebody says,
well, Herbert died before he finished the

1040
01:23:47,399 --> 01:23:53,800
novel, so we don't exactly know, but most people don't. I don't

1041
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:56,600
think he knew what he was doing
it. He was just making up as

1042
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:59,760
he went. It seems. He
wrote the first novel, people read it

1043
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:02,279
in a certain way. He got
annoyed with how people read it, wrote

1044
01:24:02,319 --> 01:24:06,920
dude, Messiah to got a retcon
how people were seeing it. I mean,

1045
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:12,399
there's and then every book after that, he's he's probably getting lost in

1046
01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:16,319
his own sauce a little bit because
it's it's such a massive undertaking to create

1047
01:24:16,359 --> 01:24:23,159
this literary world such as this.
I mean, you almost seem like you'd

1048
01:24:23,199 --> 01:24:25,680
go mad trying to write all this. It sounds like he kind of did

1049
01:24:26,239 --> 01:24:31,279
it. Here's another super nerd saying, so the Golden Path was there,

1050
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:35,439
Yeah, this is what I thought
to save humanity from a future existential threat,

1051
01:24:36,279 --> 01:24:42,039
and it says this is correct.
Although Herbert didn't finish everything in the

1052
01:24:42,119 --> 01:24:45,640
series. In chapter House Done,
there are two people that are quote called

1053
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:48,880
they're casting the net. You never
find out who exactly they are, but

1054
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:54,800
they're an existential threat from the Golden
Path that Paul chose. They are either

1055
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:58,760
AI bots of the future I forgot
AI makes a comeback. That's right in

1056
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:02,319
the AI Bots of the future are
the I think most people think that's the

1057
01:25:02,319 --> 01:25:08,079
existential threat, and it's the same
threat that happened before the Butlerryn hot They're

1058
01:25:08,119 --> 01:25:12,920
gonna come back, and they think
that AI is extinct, but somehow secretly

1059
01:25:13,439 --> 01:25:16,640
AI survived on some planet. I
think it's the bennet a Lax that keep

1060
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:21,039
the AI going or something. Is
that the Space Guild, like the Space

1061
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:28,439
these are the the weird, like
they're like their own hermit race of people

1062
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:33,760
that engage in the genetic manipulation.
And even though AI is banned, I

1063
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:36,600
think there's they're the ones that are
like secretly still doing it. So in

1064
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:44,680
Dune Messiah, they're the ones that
create the the Duncan clone husk figure that's

1065
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:53,439
a trap for Paul. So AI
is supposed to be extinct. Somehow,

1066
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:58,439
there was They were running back into
the known universe from something the AI.

1067
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:01,880
They never say what it is,
but whatever, Paul and Lido the Second

1068
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:08,960
saw the worm sun Leado took the
direct action needed to put humanity for sure

1069
01:26:09,039 --> 01:26:13,880
onto the Golden Path. Paul was
afraid. So apparently some of the visions

1070
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:20,000
of all these these people are I
can't imagine having this much of the lower

1071
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:26,399
in my head all the time,
this super nerd. So apparently some of

1072
01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:29,960
the reason that we see Paul freaking
out in his visions like in the movie

1073
01:26:30,359 --> 01:26:34,880
too, is because he was super
afraid of the price that would be paid

1074
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:40,279
by choosing the Golden path, which
because he knew billions are going to die

1075
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:44,159
right, No, no, no, his freaking offspring going to be a

1076
01:26:44,159 --> 01:26:47,239
worm dude. Oh yeah, worm
boy. I can't even I can't even

1077
01:26:47,359 --> 01:26:50,199
vision. How are they going to
do that? That's there's no way.

1078
01:26:50,319 --> 01:27:00,560
Look, just leave it at two
Films Messiah Venue. You look, the

1079
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:02,439
artwork is awesome. If you look
up the pictures of him, he looks.

1080
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:06,439
He looks pretty wild, kind of
like a long skinny job of the

1081
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:11,079
hut. He's just gonna be like
he's like Gumby, He's like gummy a

1082
01:27:11,119 --> 01:27:17,119
worm. Hey, I'm gonna say, what would you do if they make

1083
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:23,039
Dune worm boy Dune and they just
put Gumby in there? That would be

1084
01:27:23,079 --> 01:27:32,000
crazy. It's like Villas level of
production. But it's just gummy dude.

1085
01:27:32,039 --> 01:27:35,840
I'm looking at I'm looking at some
of these funny tweets and just people you

1086
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:39,960
know, arguing about it, giving
their takes that this one's I like this

1087
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:44,520
one. Herbert didn't understand the underlying
subtext of his own creation, which ironically

1088
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:48,439
in a way mirrors the situation of
his protagonist. Paul. Wow, that's

1089
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:54,640
actually that's pretty insightful. I like
that a lot this one. I don't

1090
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:57,840
think you have to claim properties like
doing his right wing. You can just

1091
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:02,119
enjoy the sublime nature of a tit
related liberal writing the most base shit imaginable,

1092
01:28:02,119 --> 01:28:08,319
like a fat boy on a diet
sneaking a cookie at midnight. That's

1093
01:28:08,359 --> 01:28:13,560
a great take. That's like,
some of these tweets are better reviews.

1094
01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:18,920
Then then you're gonna read on the
credit. Look up Lido the Worm.

1095
01:28:19,039 --> 01:28:21,600
You got to see this guy though. All right, let's we'll pull the

1096
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:26,720
worm. If you can show the
crowd, they'd be funny too, because

1097
01:28:27,319 --> 01:28:31,199
if they make this, that's that's
gonna be some wow stuff. Let's see.

1098
01:28:32,119 --> 01:28:38,800
Oh man, so that's the gold
that's the golden path. Is Lido

1099
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:41,720
the Worm? The Worm? All
right, let's see I can pull this

1100
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:45,439
up on screen. While I'm doing
this, let me give a little reminder

1101
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:48,159
to the body, to the audience, all the bigots on the nerds,

1102
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:53,600
the chad nerds from Jay Dyer's channel, the biggots from over here. There

1103
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:57,159
is a link in the description.
You can drop a super chat if you

1104
01:28:57,239 --> 01:29:00,640
got questions, if you got anything
to say, if you want to just

1105
01:29:00,079 --> 01:29:06,520
yell at me and Jay how we
don't understand the depth of Frank Herbert's world

1106
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:11,720
created here in Dune. If we
totally missed it, and we we totally

1107
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:15,840
missed the point that only you understand, maybe make sure to drop a super

1108
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:20,800
chat via stream labs or via YouTube
try to pull this up. I mean,

1109
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:24,439
this is like, you know how, you know how some people treat

1110
01:29:25,159 --> 01:29:30,840
certain things like Star Wars as a
religion, kind of like super like I'm

1111
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:33,680
surprised that this isn't treated more a
religion. But but I think it's so

1112
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:39,840
obscure, so out there that actually
takes a pretty high IQ person to really

1113
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:44,600
get into Doon. So maybe that
person is a little super smart to think

1114
01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:50,039
of it as a religion. Perhaps, but or just maybe it's maybe maybe

1115
01:29:50,079 --> 01:29:54,520
we have it seeing the emergence of
the Dune religion. Maybe maybe Frank Herbert

1116
01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:57,279
was actually writing at what he thought
might be a future religion. I don't

1117
01:29:57,319 --> 01:30:02,760
know, so which which character in
doing universe? Which character you j Baron

1118
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:15,319
harkinin for sure? I'm I'm obviously
perpetual stank face. Yeah, yeah,

1119
01:30:15,359 --> 01:30:21,239
she's the greatest character, resting smelly
face. CHANI I'm warm boy. I

1120
01:30:21,239 --> 01:30:25,119
want to be a leader of the
Second, the one, the Second Okay,

1121
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:31,479
who are you interesting. I'm Jessica. Yeah, Jessica, that's my

1122
01:30:31,479 --> 01:30:36,399
wife's name. I know exactly.
It's a pretty meta. I know,

1123
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:45,359
some of these portrayals of war,
we could get into like a a familials,

1124
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:48,920
you know, war with Chase.
You could kill Chase and then Chase

1125
01:30:48,920 --> 01:30:54,520
could possess you and you could be
like two consciousnesses in one. People keep

1126
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:58,520
talking about some Chase person that I'm
supposed to know. I don't understand how

1127
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:03,119
like who this person is. There's
apparently somebody on the internet tries to act

1128
01:31:03,239 --> 01:31:06,039
like he's related to me or something. His name might be Chased. I

1129
01:31:06,039 --> 01:31:15,720
don't know. There's a troll LARPer
running around Stalker. Yeah, no,

1130
01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:27,439
I'm clearly what's his face? Roth
Fade Fade, rothschild fail, I'm the

1131
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:32,039
I'm the Space Bankers. I love
in the Guild David Lynch when I love

1132
01:31:32,079 --> 01:31:38,640
how Sting plays Fade. He's just
a totally ridiculous person. I have to

1133
01:31:39,079 --> 01:31:41,600
watch it. You got to watch
the rest of it because they actually imply

1134
01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:47,279
that the Baron might be like touching. I mean, it doesn't show it,

1135
01:31:47,359 --> 01:31:51,640
but it's like they have this weird
kind of like like lusty sort of

1136
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:58,560
creepy. Well, he's the baron
in the books, right is supposedly he's

1137
01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:03,239
a he's a he's a did he's
a diddy? You can use diddy now

1138
01:32:03,319 --> 01:32:12,079
for for dealers. Did. Yeah, it was in the They have the

1139
01:32:12,079 --> 01:32:17,239
Hardons install heart plugs because they're kind
of psycho and they actually enjoy killing so

1140
01:32:17,279 --> 01:32:21,800
that they'll pull this plug out and
your your blood just strains out. This

1141
01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:25,239
is I mean, they're so evil. The Herkans are so evil. They're

1142
01:32:25,279 --> 01:32:28,640
also cannibalistic, that's the thing.
Yeah, they're cannibals. They're fat,

1143
01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:33,159
they have an ugly aesthetic. They're
aesthetically disgusting. They're like translucent, they

1144
01:32:33,159 --> 01:32:39,199
have no skin tone. But some
people were making the critique of well,

1145
01:32:39,239 --> 01:32:41,680
of course, you know, the
the bad guys in the film are all

1146
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:45,880
like the white guys, and then
the diverse people beat up the white guys.

1147
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:47,239
But I mean, Herbert wrote the
book, right, didn't he just

1148
01:32:47,319 --> 01:32:53,960
did he describe the Hearkening as being
h like translucent, super pale buy no

1149
01:32:54,079 --> 01:32:58,640
freaks or how question I remember.
I can't remember they had the red hair

1150
01:32:58,720 --> 01:33:00,680
or not, or who exactly who
they're supposed to be, but they definitely

1151
01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:05,439
come off as like, I don't
know, some kind of I mean,

1152
01:33:05,479 --> 01:33:12,760
they're definitely aberrant, and they're not
just like pedo cannibal degenerates. They're actually

1153
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:18,279
really brutal to the fremen. And
so when house the Trades takes over them,

1154
01:33:18,399 --> 01:33:25,439
the freemen are blown away because the
the Trade's family is like like they're

1155
01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:29,319
they engage in alms giving, like
they're they're known as a righteous family.

1156
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:31,279
So I like the fact that,
I mean, if you read the story,

1157
01:33:31,399 --> 01:33:35,560
like the Trades are a righteous household
or righteous family, they they do

1158
01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:42,840
virtuous things. Har Conans are absolutely
discussing and degenerate, and it's antipedo,

1159
01:33:43,439 --> 01:33:48,520
so it's anti so it's anti fat, it's anti anti glutton, anti pudo.

1160
01:33:48,760 --> 01:33:55,560
And they're also well it's the boy
they're boy diddlers or whatever, right,

1161
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:58,199
I mean, they're like little boys
the o the hearken in. So

1162
01:33:58,239 --> 01:34:02,640
they're just total degenerate, completely evil
scum. The treadees righteous alms giving,

1163
01:34:03,279 --> 01:34:11,159
treat people well, learn their cultures, aren't just there purely to exploit them,

1164
01:34:11,239 --> 01:34:15,960
want a symbiotic relationship. So I
think I think it's it's cool how

1165
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:19,399
he you know, he didn't make
it to where they're just all they're all

1166
01:34:19,439 --> 01:34:23,520
colonists, like or you know,
get rid of the evil colonists, like

1167
01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:28,479
the colonial mean coming to Paul's dad's
leader of the Just. He's known as

1168
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:31,560
leader of the Just. They wanted
to and if you remember, Christopher Walkin

1169
01:34:31,680 --> 01:34:36,199
says, your dad was a weak
man, right, He's like, your

1170
01:34:36,239 --> 01:34:40,479
dad was weak and that's why he
needed to go. He was too good

1171
01:34:40,640 --> 01:34:45,039
for this kind of life that's kind
of imperial politics. So I remember the

1172
01:34:45,079 --> 01:34:47,920
line that lead of the Just he
says to Paul in the first film.

1173
01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:53,359
He says, a good leader,
a good leader doesn't want power, but

1174
01:34:54,079 --> 01:34:57,199
I forget what the exact line is. A good leader doesn't want to lead,

1175
01:34:57,960 --> 01:35:00,720
but he does it because he has
to. Basically, it's kind of

1176
01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:05,680
like a take up your cross and
lead, Paul. So there's there's so

1177
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:11,760
much indicating that the Tredees are righteous. So it's kind of funny that Herbert

1178
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:14,640
would just expect you to, you
know, think, oh, no,

1179
01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:17,479
you know, it's so dangerous to
have a charismatic leader, Like why is

1180
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:20,439
it dangerous to have a charismatic leader? I guess he fleshes that out a

1181
01:35:20,479 --> 01:35:26,479
little bit later on because of Paul
is you know, I guess the charismatic

1182
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:30,720
leader can be wanting power for the
wrong reasons. Paul perhaps having vengeance on

1183
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:34,000
his mind is you know, is
not a virtuous trait. But it seems

1184
01:35:34,039 --> 01:35:40,680
almost like Frank Herbert and his writing
these novels and writing the story, he

1185
01:35:40,760 --> 01:35:45,399
almost had a hang up about power
itself, monarchy itself, even though it

1186
01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:47,800
seems to be the natural order of
the universe, even in the Dune universe,

1187
01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:50,760
monarchy is natural. But it's like, well, even if a good

1188
01:35:50,760 --> 01:35:55,319
guy comes to the throne, then
it's still bad. It's just like the

1189
01:35:55,399 --> 01:36:00,119
nature of power itself can corrupt or
inevitably does corrupt. I guess he's trying

1190
01:36:00,119 --> 01:36:04,399
to say, well, so the
right the first warning is that if we

1191
01:36:04,399 --> 01:36:10,880
think about the existing universe with Emperor
Christopher Walkin, it's not that bad.

1192
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:15,079
There's stability, I mean, there's
degenerously the Harcone is, but like it's

1193
01:36:15,119 --> 01:36:21,479
not a universal Johava with a bunch
of death. Hall's revolution is debatable at

1194
01:36:21,479 --> 01:36:27,000
first, and I think you're probably
right that because he's writing during the Cold

1195
01:36:27,039 --> 01:36:30,199
War, you know, the jfk
assassination happened. There's a great essay in

1196
01:36:31,079 --> 01:36:34,840
dom Aside at the beginning about historical
setting when he wrote the sequel, and

1197
01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:41,279
it's kind of a warning about the
temptations of too much power. But I

1198
01:36:41,319 --> 01:36:45,680
think you're right that as the novels
progress, it's almost like he thinks,

1199
01:36:47,239 --> 01:36:50,239
what I mean, we're going to
get back to If we're going to have

1200
01:36:50,319 --> 01:36:54,960
an empire piece, it can't just
be a mere man. It's got to

1201
01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:58,600
be something more than man. And
so it ends up being a warm man,

1202
01:36:58,680 --> 01:37:01,880
hybrid, something more than and beyond
man. Because man isn't ever going

1203
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:05,640
to achieve this, this utopia.
So it's got to be something more than

1204
01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:11,600
man. And so even though it
does occur in the story, and Paul

1205
01:37:11,680 --> 01:37:15,079
doesn't end up a villain, he's
a Paul's a tragic hero, I guess

1206
01:37:15,159 --> 01:37:20,640
is the way to put it.
Like, he's a So tell you talking

1207
01:37:20,640 --> 01:37:24,760
to the Chase altar in your head. That's oh, you know, I

1208
01:37:25,199 --> 01:37:28,039
muted so the audience couldn't hear that, but you could hear me yelling at

1209
01:37:28,039 --> 01:37:31,840
my dog. That's that's what I
call my alter, called the Chase alter

1210
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:34,720
in your head. That's the thing
is like when I when I when I

1211
01:37:34,760 --> 01:37:39,680
took I took so much of this
spice, milange, and I got an

1212
01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:43,880
altar. That is. Her name
is Dahlia, and she's a dog.

1213
01:37:44,520 --> 01:37:47,600
She sometimes barks at nothing, a
great dog, but she just once she

1214
01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:51,800
starts barking, her echo goes against
like she barks, and her freaking echo

1215
01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:55,920
hits the mountains and comes back at
her, and she hears the bark come

1216
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:59,920
back at her, and then she
just starts looping. So it's she's caught

1217
01:38:00,039 --> 01:38:03,439
a loop right now, barking at
her own age. That's bark's level.

1218
01:38:03,439 --> 01:38:09,119
We got dog altars in your head. That's that's that's right. Dogs are

1219
01:38:09,119 --> 01:38:11,880
funny, man. She'll bark at
her own she'll bark at her own looping

1220
01:38:12,159 --> 01:38:14,840
echo. And then also when she
was a puppy, she tried to like

1221
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:17,640
fight her uh, her reflection in
the mirror when she first saw it,

1222
01:38:17,880 --> 01:38:21,800
growling at it and barking at it. And you're engaging and basically Jose Dolgato

1223
01:38:21,880 --> 01:38:26,439
level of mind control and coult operations
on your dog to brainwash it. Have

1224
01:38:26,479 --> 01:38:30,199
a halter. That's crazy. Yeah. The Bena ben a dog Ben a

1225
01:38:30,279 --> 01:38:34,880
Jesuit dog. Handled Sorry about that. No, that seemed rude because I

1226
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:38,399
thought, I uh, I thought
I muted it so you couldn't hear it.

1227
01:38:38,439 --> 01:38:42,000
But it was just the Someone says
Jay doesn't Oh yeah, j probably

1228
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:45,000
don't even like dogs. He doesn't
have dogs. I have really, you

1229
01:38:45,039 --> 01:38:49,000
know, pretty bad allergies, so
I don't and we travel quite a bit

1230
01:38:49,039 --> 01:38:55,640
so cats. I'm super allergic cats, can't stand them. I am too,

1231
01:38:55,720 --> 01:38:59,560
but even dogs kind of bug me. So yeah, I wouldn't mind

1232
01:38:59,560 --> 01:39:01,680
having at It's just kind of it's
difficult to you travel a lot having a

1233
01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:03,920
petch kind of heart you have,
like you have your people, you have

1234
01:39:03,960 --> 01:39:09,159
the help. I don't allow them
to have a dog because it would be

1235
01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:12,600
detracting from their focus on me.
No, what I'm saying, Yeah,

1236
01:39:12,640 --> 01:39:15,439
what I'm saying is like they're you
know, they're probably a better pet.

1237
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:19,720
Did you ever watch the Teal Swan
documentary where she actually says that. Nope,

1238
01:39:20,319 --> 01:39:24,760
She's like, I don't want any
of my inner circle to actually have

1239
01:39:24,840 --> 01:39:27,520
children, because how are they going
to focus on me if the have children.

1240
01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:30,840
She's not joking, dude, she's
a nutcase. Man. Can you

1241
01:39:30,840 --> 01:39:33,399
believe that? That's it? She
actually says that in the documentary, and

1242
01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:38,560
then she's mad that people are mad
at her as she's portrayed in the documentary.

1243
01:39:38,600 --> 01:39:41,079
It's like, did you're a psycho? What are you talking about?

1244
01:39:42,079 --> 01:39:46,000
You know, there's a new cult
documentary that I love has won, the

1245
01:39:46,039 --> 01:39:49,119
Cult of the Mother God. Have
you seen this? Oh? I have

1246
01:39:49,239 --> 01:39:56,279
watched multiple things on her. I
have not seen that. But another great

1247
01:39:56,279 --> 01:40:00,520
thing on her to watch is her
Doctor Phil episode is pretty wild. Okay,

1248
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:01,880
yeah, I was thinking maybe we
could we can analyze that one.

1249
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:06,720
Oh yeah, I think there's three
episodes so far. I think, Yeah,

1250
01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:13,920
did you see do you remember that
blonde psychologist girl that I interviewed on

1251
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:17,640
Colts maybe a year ago? Okay, yeah, we discussed some Mother God

1252
01:40:17,680 --> 01:40:23,119
in that, so we covered it
for maybe a fifteen twenty minutes. It'd

1253
01:40:23,159 --> 01:40:25,439
be great to do a whole deep
dive on it. But yeah, the

1254
01:40:26,479 --> 01:40:30,199
doctor Phil episode is great because it's
classic Doctor Phil where he's just like,

1255
01:40:30,840 --> 01:40:36,439
now, is it possible? Could
you conceive the possibility that maybe you aren't

1256
01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:41,680
God? Who do we need Doctor
Phil as the that's who should have been

1257
01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:44,960
the Emperor? Right? Christopher Walking? Dude, Christopher Walking. It was

1258
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:46,960
kind of a weird choice. That
was the only criticism I have of the

1259
01:40:47,000 --> 01:40:50,680
whole movie is. I mean,
her her sassy girl boss stuff is a

1260
01:40:50,720 --> 01:40:56,319
little annoying. But yeah, like
Christopher Walking is such an an absurd,

1261
01:40:56,520 --> 01:41:00,600
weirdo guy character all the time,
Like he doesn't come off as a cunning

1262
01:41:00,199 --> 01:41:04,880
you know, like aged sage emperor. But now so we need you need

1263
01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:11,319
Jay to do Doctor Phil as the
Emperor delegating in between House of Trades and

1264
01:41:11,359 --> 01:41:17,359
House Hearkening. Well we need to
talk about who this more deb is?

1265
01:41:18,039 --> 01:41:24,960
Okay? Do you is it possible, Paul that maybe you're not the lizon

1266
01:41:25,079 --> 01:41:30,520
O guy. Do you think that
maybe, maybe, just just maybe you

1267
01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:34,960
took a little too much of the
spies Paul? Do you think you may

1268
01:41:34,960 --> 01:41:43,359
be the spy's habit is getting in
between your relationship with your grandfather the hearkening,

1269
01:41:44,119 --> 01:41:50,399
Perhaps some rehabilitation could could bring about
a better relationship in the known universe.

1270
01:41:50,920 --> 01:41:56,359
About Deb what he does all the
time is like every time he's talking

1271
01:41:56,359 --> 01:41:59,960
to the craziest person. I watched
like twenty of the Best Doctor Phil,

1272
01:42:00,039 --> 01:42:02,520
where it's always the craziest person you
could think of. He I was actually

1273
01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:06,800
a pretty good approach to this because
he says, oh, look, you

1274
01:42:06,920 --> 01:42:15,079
believe you're gone but also there might
be other explanations for what you believe.

1275
01:42:15,159 --> 01:42:18,920
But could it be? Is it? He'll always ask him, is it

1276
01:42:19,079 --> 01:42:24,840
possible that there's another explanation? And
it's maybe the drugs you took? Right?

1277
01:42:26,279 --> 01:42:31,000
Is it possible that you don't see
the future but you see in deluded

1278
01:42:31,079 --> 01:42:36,479
space, acid visions in your stupid
deluded head, MALDUI, do you think

1279
01:42:36,520 --> 01:42:43,920
that maybe possible? And if they
say no, and then he'll say why

1280
01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:47,640
not? Why is that not,
Paul? And then they'll say some crazy

1281
01:42:47,680 --> 01:42:50,399
thing, and then you know,
then he can determine whether they're reasonable.

1282
01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:54,119
That tells him whether they have any
reasoning at all, I think is why

1283
01:42:54,159 --> 01:42:58,319
he does that. But what about
doctor Phil? Doctor Phil is really the

1284
01:42:58,359 --> 01:43:01,159
actual head of the Benigesa, and
he just plays kind of dumb, but

1285
01:43:01,239 --> 01:43:04,000
he's really he's like the master manipulat. You know, you want to hear

1286
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:08,079
something funny about darker Phil. I
forget who we were with, uh,

1287
01:43:08,239 --> 01:43:13,000
somebody who was had been I can't
remember for somebody who to makeup or something

1288
01:43:13,119 --> 01:43:15,720
I did have makeup done. I
don't know if you know this, but

1289
01:43:15,760 --> 01:43:18,880
when I yeah before the stream no, no, before I went on O

1290
01:43:19,000 --> 01:43:23,760
A N. When we went to
l A. I literally actually did have

1291
01:43:23,920 --> 01:43:27,319
my makeup done so nice. That's
because that's a joke we make. We

1292
01:43:27,359 --> 01:43:30,760
make this joke all the time,
legit. Oh man, you like I

1293
01:43:30,760 --> 01:43:32,239
thought you would think it's funny that
I'll never be on your level. Now

1294
01:43:32,279 --> 01:43:35,920
like you've you've actually you've gone meta
and you actually got your makeup picture from

1295
01:43:35,920 --> 01:43:39,439
the makeup room in a n where
I was like, Tristan, you understand,

1296
01:43:39,439 --> 01:43:42,800
like I literally do have a makeup
You have to frame you with the

1297
01:43:42,840 --> 01:43:45,680
makeup on like behind you and then
and you could have it like on your

1298
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:48,399
whiteboard. You can just you know, remind me every once in awhile like

1299
01:43:48,680 --> 01:43:55,600
Tristan never had this, never will
you will never have your make make sure

1300
01:43:55,640 --> 01:44:00,920
that you never enter this industry.
Blackballed in fact, everyone you know,

1301
01:44:01,600 --> 01:44:04,920
Jay's just going around l A just
like badmouth like people like who are you

1302
01:44:04,960 --> 01:44:09,399
even talking about? Who is this
from the makeup workers, Like you're only

1303
01:44:09,439 --> 01:44:12,199
back black belt from having makeup,
like you can go on any show.

1304
01:44:12,239 --> 01:44:15,239
It's just they'll never do makeup for
you. Yeah, I'm completely black balled

1305
01:44:15,279 --> 01:44:21,279
from from the makeup union, the
labor makeup union or union. Yeah,

1306
01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:25,399
that was that to do with doctor
Phil. Doctor They're like, we're gonna

1307
01:44:25,439 --> 01:44:28,800
use the doctor Philoy used to work
with doctor Phil. I'm trying to remember

1308
01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:31,119
who it was, so I apologize
if you're watching it and I'm not giving

1309
01:44:31,159 --> 01:44:34,800
you credit. I just can't remember. But they had this great story that

1310
01:44:34,960 --> 01:44:39,800
they were traveling with doctor Phil a
couple of years ago and they were maybe

1311
01:44:39,840 --> 01:44:45,640
doing security for him or something,
but they couldn't believe that wherever doctor Phil

1312
01:44:45,680 --> 01:44:51,119
would go, dude, everybody's moms
and and aunts, like they like crowd

1313
01:44:51,199 --> 01:44:57,239
him, like he's Boomer Elvis.
Dude. Like the women go crazy and

1314
01:44:57,319 --> 01:45:00,079
will like fight to like touch doctor
Phil. Isn't that crazy? It's like

1315
01:45:00,079 --> 01:45:08,800
Oprah, you know daytime TV.
It's all the women. I believe it.

1316
01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:11,359
It's not because it's not because he's
attractive or something. It's just because

1317
01:45:11,359 --> 01:45:14,079
they watched that daytime TV. What
time is he on? Yeah, And

1318
01:45:14,119 --> 01:45:16,199
they're like they're like entrance, yeah, he he They spend more time with

1319
01:45:16,279 --> 01:45:19,439
him than they do with their husband. There you go, like they know

1320
01:45:19,640 --> 01:45:23,600
him, he knows them. He's
there. They were talking about how like

1321
01:45:23,640 --> 01:45:28,760
they have to protect him from like
the like the the ants and the boomer

1322
01:45:28,760 --> 01:45:33,319
women that were bum rush him day, just getting bum rushed by wine Ants

1323
01:45:33,319 --> 01:45:38,520
trying to catch a and and he
doesn't have that many hairs to pluck off,

1324
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:42,600
you know, he's trying to get
one hair from his head to make

1325
01:45:42,640 --> 01:45:46,560
a little little doll out of him. So he's like the Elvis of like

1326
01:45:46,840 --> 01:45:50,560
wine Ants exactly. It was wild. I didn't realize that the guy that

1327
01:45:50,640 --> 01:45:56,600
played uh, Fade Roth played Elvis. Yeah, Austin Butler or whatever.

1328
01:45:57,119 --> 01:45:59,800
He was so good. It's Fade
Roth. And then I I like watch

1329
01:45:59,880 --> 01:46:03,640
him videos on YouTube and he yeah, he just looks completely different and uh,

1330
01:46:04,000 --> 01:46:06,800
outside of the film, Yeah,
he did really good. The only

1331
01:46:06,800 --> 01:46:12,720
thing I thought was a little weird
was that he was talking exactly like the

1332
01:46:12,760 --> 01:46:15,560
baron which it was. It was
a little odd, but the cultural thing

1333
01:46:15,680 --> 01:46:23,560
they talk like this, that was
good. That's not just like, yeah,

1334
01:46:23,600 --> 01:46:31,800
makeupsuge, may your makeup smudge and
be faulty, may makeup smudge,

1335
01:46:34,880 --> 01:46:45,319
mayo makeup smudge and run with your
sweat beats. Well, doctor come over,

1336
01:46:45,319 --> 01:46:48,359
hereat doctor Phil tonight he's gonna be
like, well, I can tell

1337
01:46:48,399 --> 01:46:54,960
you Tristan will never have makeup on
my show. Wait, look he will.

1338
01:46:55,079 --> 01:47:00,920
He gets his head plucked every day
by multiple Guatemalan Wait, that's just

1339
01:47:01,279 --> 01:47:06,560
that's indulgent. That's too indulgent.
Uh, you gotta watch the Mother Okay,

1340
01:47:06,600 --> 01:47:10,600
now you have to watch the Mother
God. Uh, doctor Phillips,

1341
01:47:10,720 --> 01:47:13,000
I'll find it for you. That's
great, I'll find it. Yeah,

1342
01:47:13,319 --> 01:47:15,479
I'll watch that. Shoot that over. We got some super chats over here

1343
01:47:15,479 --> 01:47:19,239
from the biggots and the nerds.
What some guys techmographics at nineteen ninety nine

1344
01:47:19,239 --> 01:47:23,479
through super chat, thank you so
much, says richies are not forbidden,

1345
01:47:23,520 --> 01:47:27,520
but the pride of them is riches. Not he spelled at richies, but

1346
01:47:27,560 --> 01:47:30,359
that's probably an auto spelled riches are
not forbidden? Is this the Proverbs of

1347
01:47:30,399 --> 01:47:35,000
one Deep? It's actually Saint John
Chris. Riches are not forbidden, but

1348
01:47:35,039 --> 01:47:40,520
the pride of them is. Yeah, Greg, I think there's a reference

1349
01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:44,800
to the Desert Fathers in Messiah.
Oh that's interesting. Yeah. I think

1350
01:47:44,800 --> 01:47:47,039
it's because Paul is going to end
up having to go and be obi Wan

1351
01:47:47,119 --> 01:47:50,680
as a hermit. And I think
there's a reference at the back to the

1352
01:47:50,680 --> 01:47:55,920
Desert Fathers. Yeah, Greg donated
ten bucks. Didn't even say anything,

1353
01:47:55,960 --> 01:47:59,680
Thank you, Greg. That was
via stream Labs Maximus Pike, Canadian five

1354
01:47:59,720 --> 01:48:03,439
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1355
01:48:03,439 --> 01:48:08,279
super Chat, Thank you very much, didn't you say anything? Rybranium donated

1356
01:48:08,319 --> 01:48:12,640
five bucks says worm Boy twenty twenty
four. It's gonna be huge. We're

1357
01:48:12,640 --> 01:48:19,840
gonna make a recorts great again.
Jimmy Grave, creez Cepi, Joeb Joe

1358
01:48:20,039 --> 01:48:24,600
basically Harkonan. I don't know what
do you do. Who's gonna make the

1359
01:48:24,720 --> 01:48:30,119
rags great? Gonna be great again? That's great. William Kreen donated fifteen

1360
01:48:30,159 --> 01:48:34,399
bucks says, does a setting of
space or space travel versus Earth based movies

1361
01:48:34,479 --> 01:48:42,000
usually go along with God being impersonal
or separated from creation. That's interesting.

1362
01:48:43,039 --> 01:48:46,399
I mean with Dune God, I
know that with Dune there seems to be

1363
01:48:46,439 --> 01:48:50,600
a belief, a general belief in
God. Like Jay said at the beginning,

1364
01:48:50,640 --> 01:48:58,479
it's kind of a syncretistic, perennialist
vision of God. I'd say from

1365
01:48:58,479 --> 01:49:02,159
the first, in the first two
films, i'd say God, there is

1366
01:49:02,199 --> 01:49:11,159
a God that's present, but it's
more of a possibly the maker, the

1367
01:49:11,159 --> 01:49:14,239
maker of all. You know,
these kinds of phrases, the maker,

1368
01:49:14,479 --> 01:49:17,680
the clock, like the great clockmaker
who just made the universe, and man

1369
01:49:17,800 --> 01:49:23,079
can kind of just try to ascend
if they find enough spice or something to

1370
01:49:23,239 --> 01:49:27,600
be deistic. I'm not sure,
but actually it seems like the freemen.

1371
01:49:29,079 --> 01:49:32,640
The Freemen are more like like they
think there's prophecies and there's divine miracles.

1372
01:49:32,800 --> 01:49:40,520
You remember, because because Silgar keeps
saying so miracle, right, So yeah,

1373
01:49:40,720 --> 01:49:44,800
they believe in the miraculous, so
yeah, yeah, But but there

1374
01:49:44,800 --> 01:49:49,039
are all these different takes on what
God is. The Benajesrits seem to look

1375
01:49:49,079 --> 01:49:57,560
at the universe as a giant tool, uh to try to use to ascend

1376
01:49:58,119 --> 01:50:00,760
to more power over the known universe. So that would be kind of almost

1377
01:50:00,760 --> 01:50:06,039
an you know, gnostic possibly with
a deist God at the end of the

1378
01:50:06,119 --> 01:50:12,000
at the top of the ladder,
I should mention that actually there's a in

1379
01:50:12,039 --> 01:50:16,119
the Dune universe. There's actually a
plethora of religious traditions. I don't know

1380
01:50:16,159 --> 01:50:18,520
if we're ever supposed to think one
of them is true. But in the

1381
01:50:18,560 --> 01:50:25,039
future there's an apologist for Socratic Christianity, so they actually gets an apologetics.

1382
01:50:25,119 --> 01:50:29,479
This is how crazy it is,
Like he'll reference another desert fatherers and apologetics.

1383
01:50:29,479 --> 01:50:32,720
It's weird, but there's some sort
of form of Christianity that's I think

1384
01:50:32,800 --> 01:50:39,520
different than the Orange Calic Bible,
which is called Socratic Christianity. And so

1385
01:50:39,560 --> 01:50:49,079
there's citations from this book of the
the Socratic Apologist. Anyway, Wild Wild

1386
01:50:50,479 --> 01:50:59,640
speaking of speaking of substances to accelerate
your your visions of past, present,

1387
01:50:59,760 --> 01:51:02,600
future, or if you want your
vision of yourself in the future to be

1388
01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:10,439
supercharged, spice milanged and UH and
and and space acid out of this world.

1389
01:51:10,560 --> 01:51:15,279
You want to become the king worm, the worm boy, and and

1390
01:51:15,319 --> 01:51:19,319
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for life. Also, we got
a super chat here from Big Boss ten

1422
01:53:26,560 --> 01:53:29,079
dollars through super chat on YouTube,
says, have all have you all heard

1423
01:53:29,079 --> 01:53:33,560
about this new syop group that's the
first to use four letters that's backed by

1424
01:53:33,560 --> 01:53:45,039
the elites. Oh man, it's
called the icup. Ah whoa what bro

1425
01:53:45,399 --> 01:53:53,199
I've been gotten with that one since
Uh it's the I cup Icup. That's

1426
01:53:53,279 --> 01:53:57,600
like that's fourth grade, man,
that's uh back back when the power range.

1427
01:53:57,640 --> 01:54:00,039
Oh my god, I need to
hear a D's nuts joke looking there

1428
01:54:00,079 --> 01:54:06,159
somewhere like remember D's nuts. No, Jay, Oh, come on,

1429
01:54:06,319 --> 01:54:13,000
now, what are you even talking
about? I am sending you here.

1430
01:54:13,239 --> 01:54:18,840
There is a there's two different versions
of a fan edit. This is like

1431
01:54:19,239 --> 01:54:23,239
Megan Nerd tier stuff. Are you
ready for it? I'm ready? Are

1432
01:54:23,319 --> 01:54:26,760
ready? So, because there were
so many complaints about the David Lynch version,

1433
01:54:27,119 --> 01:54:30,479
one of the problems was that he
didn't have final cut, and so

1434
01:54:30,680 --> 01:54:36,760
the studio made them cut his version
down to under two hours for the theatrical

1435
01:54:36,800 --> 01:54:41,800
release, which he felt like,
under two hours, I think that I

1436
01:54:41,840 --> 01:54:45,399
think the theatrical release is right around
or something like that. So that's crazy

1437
01:54:45,399 --> 01:54:49,319
because he got like three hours for
each film, he's got six. Well,

1438
01:54:49,520 --> 01:54:54,399
that's crazy exactly. But so David
Lynch was mad because he felt like

1439
01:54:54,920 --> 01:54:57,800
nobody would understand the story, and
of course a lot of the audience at

1440
01:54:57,800 --> 01:55:00,000
the time in the eighties felt like, no, he can understand what was

1441
01:55:00,039 --> 01:55:05,960
going on, and they didn't.
Even with the Princess Erilon narration, they

1442
01:55:05,960 --> 01:55:11,359
still couldn't get it. So some
super Nerds put together what they call the

1443
01:55:11,479 --> 01:55:15,640
Dune fan Edit. It's an almost
three hour version with all the deleted scenes,

1444
01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:21,199
and there's another there's a separate version
which has the storyboards that show the

1445
01:55:21,199 --> 01:55:26,079
butlery and hot So if you really
want to nerd super nerd version, you

1446
01:55:26,119 --> 01:55:30,119
can get a torrent of the four
hour Dune which has all of that.

1447
01:55:30,439 --> 01:55:33,640
Well, Jay say, we're Jay's
We're gonna watch this right now. It's

1448
01:55:33,640 --> 01:55:38,640
going to be a nine hour stream. First we talk about Dune for two

1449
01:55:38,680 --> 01:55:42,840
hours, and then we're gonna so
we're just gonna make Soyjack faces about the

1450
01:55:43,479 --> 01:55:48,960
nine hour version of So here is
the three hour version for you, without

1451
01:55:49,600 --> 01:55:54,720
the storyboards, but there's also the
four hourish version with the storybo So I'm

1452
01:55:54,760 --> 01:56:00,840
like a super David Lynch doom nerd. I had to go find the full

1453
01:56:00,920 --> 01:56:03,640
version. Man, would you would
you say you like the Lynch version better

1454
01:56:03,680 --> 01:56:11,119
than the DENI believe the version not
better. I mean it's it's obviously,

1455
01:56:11,199 --> 01:56:15,720
you know, so many levels of
superior film with the production and the because

1456
01:56:15,760 --> 01:56:17,319
he has so much more time to
tell so much more of the story.

1457
01:56:17,520 --> 01:56:21,960
There are elements of the David Lynch
version that are not in the Dennis version

1458
01:56:23,039 --> 01:56:28,000
that I do like. So,
DENI I'll never I'll never say it right

1459
01:56:28,359 --> 01:56:31,319
if I'm in an interview, if
I'm talking to Dennis Denis, what's up

1460
01:56:31,359 --> 01:56:36,760
He's gonna say that, don't care? We wow, absolutely no respect for

1461
01:56:36,800 --> 01:56:44,439
the the greatest, greatest filmmaker you
ever be. Some people do. Some

1462
01:56:44,520 --> 01:56:46,720
people love I mean I thought it
were great, man, I thought some

1463
01:56:46,760 --> 01:56:50,039
of the better sci fi movies out
there, for sure. But some people

1464
01:56:50,079 --> 01:56:56,119
are just like, this is the
masterpiece of all masterpieces, the greatest films.

1465
01:56:56,159 --> 01:57:00,000
I would say they're masterpieces. I
think he I'm impressed. I really

1466
01:57:00,199 --> 01:57:02,760
do feel like it's we haven't seen
movies like this since Lord of the Rings

1467
01:57:02,840 --> 01:57:08,399
or something like that. I mean, well, the second one was just

1468
01:57:08,520 --> 01:57:13,199
visually, I mean even I think
there were I think the storytelling was pretty

1469
01:57:13,239 --> 01:57:16,399
solid. Could have been a little
bit better, just little details like well,

1470
01:57:16,479 --> 01:57:18,840
how come I didn't know about the
butlerry and jihad and I had to

1471
01:57:18,880 --> 01:57:23,239
have some super nerd tell me about
it. Little details like that could have

1472
01:57:23,279 --> 01:57:28,239
been improved. But overall the story
wasn't engrossing. It was you left you

1473
01:57:28,359 --> 01:57:30,880
thinking different people have different takes on
it and argue about it, which is

1474
01:57:30,960 --> 01:57:33,640
you know, really it's a sign
of the sign of a good film.

1475
01:57:34,159 --> 01:57:40,520
And I mean, visually it was. I found myself sometimes getting lost in

1476
01:57:40,600 --> 01:57:43,560
the story of like like not even
paying attention to what's going on because I'm

1477
01:57:43,600 --> 01:57:46,239
just looking at the cinematography, thinking, oh wow, that's a crazy shot.

1478
01:57:46,720 --> 01:57:51,119
You know, how did they do
this? So I for the second

1479
01:57:51,199 --> 01:57:55,479
film. I've only seen both of
them one time, but yeah, I

1480
01:57:55,520 --> 01:57:58,680
definitely look forward to seeing the second
one again. Yeah. I really would

1481
01:57:58,760 --> 01:58:01,640
like you to watch the Lynch first
though, and contrast some of the elements,

1482
01:58:01,640 --> 01:58:06,039
and then you'll see too where I
think Dennis included some of the spirit

1483
01:58:06,079 --> 01:58:15,000
of the lunch movie. Deny,
Deny, Dennis. It's like a tick

1484
01:58:15,079 --> 01:58:24,439
anytime somebody says that you have to
you're the Spurgey like super nerd thing you

1485
01:58:24,479 --> 01:58:30,079
pronounce his name. There's but there, there's like a an absolute but LERI

1486
01:58:30,239 --> 01:58:35,079
and Gihad. Is going to be
necessary to remove all of these video essays

1487
01:58:35,279 --> 01:58:40,640
from these Dune Part two nerds who
are just flipping out about how great the

1488
01:58:40,720 --> 01:58:44,000
movie is every time I open YouTube
now, because I watched a few people,

1489
01:58:44,079 --> 01:58:49,239
a few of other people's like analysis
era in summaries, and now all

1490
01:58:49,319 --> 01:58:57,079
I get is just recommendations of Dune
Part two video essay. This changes everything.

1491
01:58:58,000 --> 01:59:01,800
Dune Part two sci fi will ever
be the same it's every single suggestion

1492
01:59:01,960 --> 01:59:04,359
on YouTube now, so I'm about
to do a but Lerry and Jihat and

1493
01:59:04,399 --> 01:59:10,760
all you video on videos. Anybody
said they didn't like it, that isn't

1494
01:59:10,800 --> 01:59:14,119
I mean I say that. I
saw one guy writing that he didn't think

1495
01:59:14,159 --> 01:59:17,840
it was that good, but pretty
much everybody else is pretty pretty I have

1496
01:59:17,880 --> 01:59:21,079
a friend who told me on Twitter
today that he's just like chiny ruined it

1497
01:59:21,159 --> 01:59:24,439
for me, and it was just
you know, he he didn't like it.

1498
01:59:24,520 --> 01:59:28,319
He thought it was too much you
know space. He said he thought

1499
01:59:28,319 --> 01:59:33,159
there was too much modern political uh
stuff underlying it. But I don't know,

1500
01:59:33,159 --> 01:59:36,600
I kind of disagree. I think
Chawnny Chahanny wasn't an awful character.

1501
01:59:36,760 --> 01:59:41,920
I mean, she wasn't She wasn't
like screaming the rest of it doesn't.

1502
01:59:41,960 --> 01:59:45,159
I mean most a lot of I
mean, it's pretty pretty faithful to the

1503
01:59:45,199 --> 01:59:47,439
book. They just deviate with the
chaw character. That's it. Yeah,

1504
01:59:47,600 --> 01:59:49,920
It's like when you when you see
her for what she is. She's supposed

1505
01:59:49,960 --> 01:59:56,119
to be the character that the audience
UH identifies with. And I thought it

1506
01:59:56,119 --> 01:59:59,000
was kind of funny that at the
end, the character that's supposed to represent

1507
01:59:59,119 --> 02:00:03,960
the audience is left alone, crying, rage, crying, trying to summon

1508
02:00:04,640 --> 02:00:08,199
a worm to hang out alone on
her. Well, I'll give you a

1509
02:00:08,239 --> 02:00:12,560
one little nugget too. There's another
exactly, there's another reason why he might

1510
02:00:12,640 --> 02:00:18,119
have done that with her character is
that in this in the in Doing Messiah,

1511
02:00:18,159 --> 02:00:21,000
what's going to happen is, without
giving it too much away, there's

1512
02:00:21,079 --> 02:00:30,159
going to be a an intrigue between
Eralon and Chawny where at the behest of

1513
02:00:30,199 --> 02:00:35,560
the Reverend Mother, it's all about
who will have Paul's offspring. Ah,

1514
02:00:35,640 --> 02:00:40,399
yeah, he's got a sire a
child for the Nagel. So the Reverend

1515
02:00:40,479 --> 02:00:47,439
Mother gets Princess Erolon to give Chawni
secretly in an mortivation so she doesn't give

1516
02:00:47,479 --> 02:00:53,760
birth, and the hope is that
Erolin will get pregnant and then the Benny

1517
02:00:53,840 --> 02:00:58,960
Jesuit the Reverend Mother be able to
control Paul's offspring. But Paul eventually figures

1518
02:00:59,000 --> 02:01:03,640
this plot out, and uh yeah, so so Chawny. So Chawnie has

1519
02:01:03,760 --> 02:01:09,920
to play this role of getting screwed
over, not because of Paul. Paul

1520
02:01:09,920 --> 02:01:15,960
doesn't really do it, but Paul
figure out what's going on. And Heroine

1521
02:01:15,039 --> 02:01:19,239
is also not a villain. She
doesn't end up being well, and you

1522
02:01:19,279 --> 02:01:24,279
know, I forgot to mention this
too. This is another fascinating thing about

1523
02:01:24,319 --> 02:01:29,079
this film is that it's openly anti
infanticide, right, I mean, it's

1524
02:01:29,199 --> 02:01:32,680
you know, there, life starts
at conception in the Dune universe. Apparently

1525
02:01:34,319 --> 02:01:39,840
you got the fetus is one of
the main characters. Now, of course,

1526
02:01:39,880 --> 02:01:42,520
the fetus I guess later becomes evil
and she you know, she goes

1527
02:01:42,600 --> 02:01:47,720
nuts. But yeah, the Aliyah
and and and Jessica. This is a

1528
02:01:47,880 --> 02:01:55,119
it's a very pro life film in
a lot of ways. Hierarchy is inevitable.

1529
02:01:56,000 --> 02:02:00,800
Monarchy is natural. Everybody craves a
king and a cares madic leader.

1530
02:02:00,640 --> 02:02:06,319
It seems like a natural thing for
people in the New World to uh crazy,

1531
02:02:06,479 --> 02:02:11,960
to look for a messiah. So
there you are. There certain aspects

1532
02:02:12,000 --> 02:02:15,239
of it that, you know,
you really can't get away from the Christian

1533
02:02:15,319 --> 02:02:24,359
worldview and from the truth of even
in fiction. So yeah, man,

1534
02:02:24,640 --> 02:02:27,039
this was this was a fun one. I'm glad you got me to watch

1535
02:02:27,279 --> 02:02:30,039
to watch them, I wouldn't have
I didn't even realize Dune Part one came

1536
02:02:30,079 --> 02:02:31,880
out. It just kind of skipped
me. It was. It was off

1537
02:02:31,920 --> 02:02:35,399
my radar and I'm glad. I'm
glad you got me to watch these men.

1538
02:02:36,359 --> 02:02:40,920
Yeah, well, do watch the
David lunch one sometimes I want to

1539
02:02:40,920 --> 02:02:45,319
see. Yeah, I'm gonna get
the full version with all the all the

1540
02:02:45,439 --> 02:02:48,319
deleted scenes and everything, but I
I really want to watch. I want

1541
02:02:48,359 --> 02:02:51,479
to rewatch part one of this and
then once part two comes out on like

1542
02:02:51,520 --> 02:02:56,399
a Blu ray or something, I'd
like to thanks for having me. It

1543
02:02:56,479 --> 02:02:58,319
was a great chat. I had
a lot of fun. I was able

1544
02:02:58,359 --> 02:03:00,840
to nerd out on doing here.
Yeah. Yeah, it was fun man

1545
02:03:00,880 --> 02:03:03,560
well worth well worth the wait for
sure. I had to wait a little

1546
02:03:03,560 --> 02:03:06,319
bit to see the second one.
Let me make sure we got all the

1547
02:03:06,479 --> 02:03:12,319
super chats red here ah that I
saw one more just pop through Big Bosses.

1548
02:03:12,359 --> 02:03:15,600
I hear. It's amazing when the
famous purple stuffed worm and flap Jaws

1549
02:03:15,680 --> 02:03:21,560
space with the tuning fork does a
roblink on Hara Kiki Rock I need Scissors

1550
02:03:23,000 --> 02:03:27,960
sixty one. Okay, that's like
total schitzo. There's like a bunch of

1551
02:03:28,039 --> 02:03:32,279
references there to something I hear.
It's amazing. It's like a dune like

1552
02:03:32,520 --> 02:03:36,840
master PhD and like he's talking about
like stuff I think this guy took too

1553
02:03:36,920 --> 02:03:42,399
much of that spice millage. I
think he's I think he's me the spice

1554
02:03:42,520 --> 02:03:46,000
millanage. I hear. It's amazing
when the famous purple stuffed worm and flap

1555
02:03:46,239 --> 02:03:50,880
jaws space with the tuning fork does
a roblink on Hara Kiri Rock I need

1556
02:03:50,960 --> 02:03:57,680
scissors sixty one. Well, maybe
he's got a PhD in this. I

1557
02:03:57,800 --> 02:04:00,920
mean, yeah, there's probably got
twenty references that I have no idea.

1558
02:04:01,199 --> 02:04:09,239
So here's the whole thing. So
use the spoon you must. I mean

1559
02:04:09,279 --> 02:04:12,119
the aesthetics of that too. I
mean, they got a nice aesthetic on

1560
02:04:12,199 --> 02:04:14,800
the covers there. But I think
I think the film, I think overall,

1561
02:04:15,680 --> 02:04:20,399
Denny the New the aesthetics of the
film really carried it, you know.

1562
02:04:20,479 --> 02:04:24,399
I mean, he he did a
great job with this one. I

1563
02:04:24,479 --> 02:04:27,319
look forward to seeing what he does
next. I hope. I kind of

1564
02:04:27,319 --> 02:04:30,840
wish you would just leave it where
it is, with Chatty soyjacking, crying,

1565
02:04:31,039 --> 02:04:34,279
rage, crying at the worm at
the end. Everyone else, Yeah,

1566
02:04:34,319 --> 02:04:41,920
the atheist is left crying alone,
hurt, rage, raging at the

1567
02:04:42,000 --> 02:04:45,880
world, where everyone else goes to
have their awesome jihad and build their green

1568
02:04:45,000 --> 02:04:49,880
planet. But I'm sure. I'm
sure they'll I'm sure he'll wrap it up

1569
02:04:49,920 --> 02:04:54,640
differently than that. But uh yeah, Jay, maybe next week can do

1570
02:04:54,800 --> 02:04:57,640
uh, we can do some of
these some of these cults. That was

1571
02:04:57,720 --> 02:05:00,920
it the Mother God cult? That'll
be funny. Yeah, we'll do true

1572
02:05:00,960 --> 02:05:02,800
detective and cults. Next. Wait, Big Boss, it's he's there's a

1573
02:05:02,880 --> 02:05:06,119
metal Metal Gear solid references all right? You got me on that one.

1574
02:05:06,199 --> 02:05:11,039
Man. I didn't get to play
the original metal Gear solids. I didn't

1575
02:05:11,079 --> 02:05:13,399
have a PS two. Man,
I was, I was a I was

1576
02:05:13,439 --> 02:05:16,239
a pole boy. I got a
I got an N sixty four later,

1577
02:05:17,199 --> 02:05:23,199
but I didn't I didn't have that
the PS two. Big Boss apparently big

1578
02:05:23,279 --> 02:05:27,000
but Big Boss also maybe you had
a little too much of that spicemall lunch

1579
02:05:27,079 --> 02:05:31,399
tonight. This is the novel that
will be fitting for you. Heretics of

1580
02:05:31,520 --> 02:05:34,640
dude. I'm sure a lot of
the Dune fans are gonna call me a

1581
02:05:34,720 --> 02:05:40,039
total You're a total heretic Nube.
You know, you're a duntic exactly.

1582
02:05:40,439 --> 02:05:44,479
It's like if you don't get the
PhD NERD level Dune references, right,

1583
02:05:44,600 --> 02:05:48,039
you become a heretic of Dane.
Yeah, one of my favorite parts of

1584
02:05:48,159 --> 02:05:56,159
doing this review that was just reading
some of the tweets of like some of

1585
02:05:56,199 --> 02:05:59,039
the some of these tweets were hilarious. Like one of them has the the

1586
02:05:59,079 --> 02:06:03,159
bell curve that I the IQ bell
curve and at the bottom is here,

1587
02:06:03,279 --> 02:06:05,239
I'll pull this one. Let's see
if I can pull this one up.

1588
02:06:06,439 --> 02:06:11,920
The bottom is the bottom of the
bell curve, the point one two.

1589
02:06:12,159 --> 02:06:17,960
Let's find this the low IQ.
Yeah, low iq. I'm sure you

1590
02:06:18,000 --> 02:06:21,279
saw. It's like the low IQ
is Paul is the Lassan al Gayib.

1591
02:06:23,119 --> 02:06:27,520
The middle of the bell curve,
the one hundred IQ is no, Paul

1592
02:06:27,640 --> 02:06:29,840
is just a man. And the
point of the story is the danger of

1593
02:06:29,920 --> 02:06:32,840
prophecy. And then the you know
one thirty to one forty five and up

1594
02:06:32,920 --> 02:06:38,479
IQ is Paul is the Lassan al
Gayib. That's what I was arguing.

1595
02:06:38,640 --> 02:06:42,239
Yeah, I got it. That's
it. I'm on that right side.

1596
02:06:42,239 --> 02:06:44,439
That's what I was saying. That's
right. Can you send me that meme?

1597
02:06:44,439 --> 02:06:45,920
I actually I want that. Yeah, this meme is awesome. I'm

1598
02:06:45,920 --> 02:06:49,159
an actually cool one. Yeah,
I'll send it to you on Twitter.

1599
02:06:51,560 --> 02:06:55,039
That's I'm not going to pull it
up because I got to create a new

1600
02:06:55,640 --> 02:06:58,760
scene in obs. I want to
pull it up. But anyways, oh

1601
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down below tell us how wrong we
were, how Paul's not this leisan al

1615
02:07:56,760 --> 02:08:01,720
gayib or why he is the Lisanol
gayib or why doctor Phil definitely should have

1616
02:08:01,880 --> 02:08:05,680
been and that you agree with us
that doctor Phil is a list on a

1617
02:08:05,760 --> 02:08:11,439
guy you and should have played the
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1618
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stay, stay away from them worms, and we'll see you guys next time.

1619
02:08:16,119 --> 02:08:18,000
All right, later, Doc,